For many years, US 98 through south Mississippi used to be known as "Bloody 98" because of the high number of deadly accidents that used to occur. That reputation has died down (no pun intended) quite a bit since the stretch from McComb to the Alabama border was four-laned in the mid- to- late 90s. From what I've been told, a lot of the fatal accidents had to do with log trucks, whether it was accidents with the trucks or motorists passing around them and crashing into oncoming traffic.
Speaking of 98, it had a bad reputation for being a speed trap through Wilmer, AL. It even became a story on Inside Edition in the 90s.
US 58 between Emporia and Franklin used to be known as the Suicide Strip for the same reason.
CA-37 was also known as "Suicide Lane" due to poor design and being inadequate for modern traffic needs.
About 20 or so years ago, there was a bumper sticker "I drive US 71 in Arkansas. Pray for me"
71 between Alma & Fayetteville has always had a bad rep: narrow, twisted, and steep. Lots of stories & legends of people getting killed on 71, including a UofA President back in the 1930's or 40's.
The I-76 Surekill Expressway
aka Surekill Parking Lot
US 287 between Laramie and Fort Collins has a horrible reputation as a road full of drunk college students going back and forth in the middle of the night- in reality there are so many cops on it in the middle of the night that if you drove drunk poorly (in such a way as to deserve a DUI) you'd probably get caught immediately.
Back in the early 1990s, AAA warned people to avoid I-295 in Florida after a series of shootings and other incidents involving concrete blocks and other objects being thrown of overpasses at motorists.
Suicide 6, a.k.a. US Route 6 in eastern Connecticut, especially between the end of I-384 in Bolton to near the Willimantic section of Windham.
CA 138 Pearblossom Highway has had a very bad reputation.
Before I-15 was built north of Baker CA, US 91, and US 466 were known as the Bloody Baker Grade climbing out of Baker.
Don't forget these!
The Kamikaze Curve on I-81/I-86 in Binghamton, NY
The Highway of Death on the Conn Tpk.
I also think the BQE should be one of these "bad reputation" roads because if you make one bad turn on that arterial roadway you're as good as dead. And there are falling billboards on that death trap.
I-238. :-D
The George Wallace Tunnel. Oops, wrong type of reputation.
Cleveland, OH: "Dead Man's Curve" on I-90 (Innerbelt) where is joins OH 2 (Shoreway) to head east.
Did I-270 around Columbus have a bad reputation after those shooting on the south part of the loop several years ago?
How about truck laden I-81 in Virginia?
I nominate I-40 in the Smokies due to the rock slides!
13 posts and nobody mentioned the worlds longest funeral procession aka the Cross Bronx Expressway. :-D
Reputation? Legendary. This road is known to be backed up Sunday mornings at the crack of dawn.
I've known certain NYC residents who believe NY 17 upstate is quite unsafe. Would that be correct, outdated, or entirely fictional?
Quote from: mightyace on February 16, 2012, 11:20:57 PM
Did I-270 around Columbus have a bad reputation after those shooting on the south part of the loop several years ago?
Yes, and a widespread one at that. Many online friends asked me about that with concern.
Quote from: vtk on February 17, 2012, 12:02:05 AM
I've known certain NYC residents who believe NY 17 upstate is quite unsafe. Would that be correct, outdated, or entirely fictional?
Nothing I've ever heard of. The Saw Mill and especially the upstate Taconic Parkways get that reputation due to being very curvy - the Saw Mill can get flooded when it rains, and the Taconic has a lot of wildlife crossing at night with no lights. The Pulaski Skyway in NJ has a reputation due to left exits/entrances with no merge space and no shoulders.
I-390 seems to be a haven for speed traps. Particularly between Exit 1 and the Steuben/Livingston county line, I will never drive a single mph above the limit. I have been ticketed once and, without hyperbole, am still waiting for the day I don't see a trooper running radar there. In days of yore, before the bump to 65mph limits, there would invariably be a Monroe County sheriff clocking you somewhere in the town of Henrietta (which doesn't have its own police force).
Matter of fact, the last trip I took between NYC and Rochester, on February 3rd, I saw more LEO's deployed along NY 17/I-86 than I have ever seen in all my previous journeys along the route combined. Was there some kind of coordinated sting out that day? I mean I literally saw fifty different bear traps between the Thruway and Broome County!
Then again, I have a habit of missing the notorious conditions on various roads...I've never really witnessed the famous congestion at Thruway Exit 24, and have found the Cross Bronx to be reliable on a Sunday morning (not to say it can't jam up then, but I've avoided it). So don't take my observations with more than a grain of salt!
Old OK 33 (now "Scenic" (Alternate) US 412 from Chouteau to West Siloam Springs.
"Blood Alley"... there were two distinct blood alleys in Santa Clara County. First was the Monterey Highway before the US 101 freeway was built between Cochrane Road and Blossom Hill Road. It was 4 lanes with stop lights, a 50 or 55 MPH speed limit and at the time little or no center barrier.
The second blood alley was California 152 between US 101 and the Santa Clara/Merced County line. This heavily travelled two lane highway had a notorious reputation for head-on collisions and fatal accidents. Fortunately, the road was widened to 4 lanes from the 152/156 junction to the county line but it's still 2 lanes from the 152/156 junction to the Gilroy Foods complex just east of US 101. While the number and frequency of fatal head-on accidents has fallen significantly, with the amount of truck traffic this road sees, accidents still regularly happen.
Another Bay Area highway that has a bad reputation is I-880, the "Nasty Nimitz". I-880 is officially named the Nimitz Freeway but the local traffic reporters gave it the "Nasty Nimitz" moniker because it gets so congested during commute hours and a simple stalled car or fender-bender can back up traffic for miles.
The Southern and the Northern State Parkways...the curves are the worst. And many cars speed on that road and they go flying.
Quote from: Roadmaestro95 on February 17, 2012, 04:19:44 AM
The Southern and the Northern State Parkways...the curves are the worst. And many cars speed on that road and they go flying.
That reminds me of 315. Probably the curviest freeway in Columbus, and until several years ago, notorious for speeding. Then enforcement was beefed up to break everyone's habit...
I have to wonder if there's some psychological effect that causes people to speed more on moderately curvy roads – adrenaline?
Lots of bloody alleys here in Quebec.
-PQ-138 between A-40 end and Ste-Anne-de-Beaupré, before a median barrier was installed.
-A-55 between Sherbrooke and Drummondville, when it was a super-2 (but there still a super-2 gap between Becancour and A-20
-PQ-175 in the Laurentides Park until, it was finally 4-laned.
However, there still A-50 with even the new gaps opened, as a super-2 mainly between Mirabel airport and Lachute
The (two-lane) segment of Md. 32 in Howard County and Carroll County between Sykesville and Md. 108 at Clarksville.
US 666 in New Mexico that got changed in part because of all the accidents
In the late 1970s on I-8 in El Centro, CA, I saw bumper stickers reading "I survived [state] highway 86."
the 405 has a bad reputation for traffic congestion around here, which is only somewhat warranted. it does get bad around I-10 and LAX, but generally speaking it is no worse than most other LA freeways.
Quote from: Beltway on February 16, 2012, 09:20:58 PM
The I-76 Surekill Expressway
aka Surekill Parking Lot
US 1 along the Roosevelt Blvd. has been repeatedly referred to as one of if not the most dangerous highway(s) in the country.
Quote from: Steve on February 17, 2012, 12:02:05 AMThe Saw Mill and especially the upstate Taconic Parkways get that reputation due to being very curvy
Stretches of those roadways also have a very narrow divider; essentially a 'weak-post' guiderail centered on the double-yellow line.
Quote from: empirestate on February 17, 2012, 02:41:31 AM
I-390 seems to be a haven for speed traps. Particularly between Exit 1 and the Steuben/Livingston county line, I will never drive a single mph above the limit. I have been ticketed once and, without hyperbole, am still waiting for the day I don't see a trooper running radar there. In days of yore, before the bump to 65mph limits, there would invariably be a Monroe County sheriff clocking you somewhere in the town of Henrietta (which doesn't have its own police force).
I've heard that north of I-590 is now a major "safety" (read: revenue) corridor.
The I-590/I-490 interchange (the can of worms) is still notorious due to rush hour traffic. My Dad refused to move to Irondequoit when the opportunity came up because of this.
US 11 in the north country due to traffic. Especially the intersection between US 11, NY 345, Clarkson Ave, and Maple St. (though it's gotten better after the last two timing changes).
I-81 in Syracuse.
The Thruway in the finger lakes and western NY due to boredom. The Williamsville toll barrier due to traffic.
Any road in NYC and nearby areas.
US 27 in Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach Counties has been referred to as "Bloody 27." Krome Avenue FL 997, particularly the empty 13-mile stretch between US 41 and US 27 in far western Miami-Dade County, can shivers up a person's spine.
Quote from: deanej on February 17, 2012, 01:39:27 PM
I've heard that north of I-590 is now a major "safety" (read: revenue) corridor.
Interesting; that's one stretch that's never worried me nearly as much. Probably because I use it more seldom.
Quote from: deanej on February 17, 2012, 01:39:27 PM
The I-590/I-490 interchange (the can of worms) is still notorious due to rush hour traffic. My Dad refused to move to Irondequoit when the opportunity came up because of this.
Weird. I've not known the Can to have an especially bad rep since it was rebuilt, and I lived near it for 30 years! (But see my earlier comments about seeming to have a totally different experience from everyone else regarding these things.)
Quote from: deanej on February 17, 2012, 01:39:27 PM
Any road in NYC and nearby areas.
Actually, any road statewide, because of NYC and the common failure to differentiate between it and the rest of the state.
Quote from: xcellntbuy on February 17, 2012, 05:00:03 PM
Krome Avenue FL 997, particularly the empty 13-mile stretch
I'm not sure what you mean here. if it is empty, why is it problematic?
US 322 in the eastern part of Pennsylvania has been known to be one of the more dangerous highways in the state. Between I-95 and US 1 is a very crowded 2 lane road with plenty of side roads which can cause both bad accidents and long traffic jams, and the super-2 portion of the West Chester By-Pass on US 322 is where Jackass star Ryan Dunn had his fatal car crash.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on February 17, 2012, 05:19:50 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on February 17, 2012, 05:00:03 PM
Krome Avenue FL 997, particularly the empty 13-mile stretch
I'm not sure what you mean here. if it is empty, why is it problematic?
I'll second that. My brother-in-law's family live off Pines Boulevard and when they took us to Shark Valley last summer we went down Krome Avenue (he was driving, had to take their minivan due to the child-seat laws). Didn't strike me as being any better or worse than any other two-lane road. But I will concede that it was daytime and maybe at night having all the vast emptiness of the Everglades to the one side of you might feel creepy.
Quote from: PennDOTFan on February 17, 2012, 05:22:21 PM
the super-2 portion of the West Chester By-Pass on US 322 is where Jackass star Ryan Dunn had his fatal car crash.
he had a blood alcohol level of 0.196, and he was estimated to have been doing over 120mph.
can't blame the road for that one.
Quote from: PennDOTFan on February 17, 2012, 05:22:21 PM
US 322 in the eastern part of Pennsylvania has been known to be one of the more dangerous highways in the state. Between I-95 and US 1 is a very crowded 2 lane road with plenty of side roads which can cause both bad accidents and long traffic jams, and the super-2 portion of the West Chester By-Pass on US 322 is where Jackass star Ryan Dunn had his fatal car crash.
Actually, the stretch of 322 where that happened
Quote from: agentsteel53 on February 17, 2012, 05:31:59 PM
Quote from: PennDOTFan on February 17, 2012, 05:22:21 PM
the super-2 portion of the West Chester By-Pass on US 322 is where Jackass star Ryan Dunn had his fatal car crash.
he had a blood alcohol level of 0.196, and he was estimated to have been doing over 120mph.
can't blame the road for that one.
To add... while attempting to turn at an exit ramp (for Pottstown Pike - old Route 100).
Quote from: agentsteel53 on February 17, 2012, 05:19:50 PM
Quote from: xcellntbuy on February 17, 2012, 05:00:03 PM
Krome Avenue FL 997, particularly the empty 13-mile stretch
I'm not sure what you mean here. if it is empty, why is it problematic?
Actually, I should have meant empty as in virtually no buildings and not one intersection, except a small trailer park near the intersection with US 27. It is almost completely straight, with just one major curve. No shoulders, as customary in south Florida with "the drink" on both sides. Despite a speed limit of 55 mph on this two-lane roadway, travel is well over 70 mph or above. Sight lines can have a mirage effect from heat or the water. If they are cutting down and burning melaleuca trees, smoke is also a problem. Passing is allowed almost the entire length and taken advantage of at the highest speeds, also in south Florida style. Near misses of head-on collisions are always a strong possibility. At night, the roadway looks like an airport runway with double-imbedded reflectors.
The Terwilliger Curves on I-5 in Portland. Pales in comparison to other examples here, but it's Oregon's highest accident area.
The Van Duzer Forest Corridor on OR 18 through the Coastals, which sees a lot of casino traffic.
The Mt Hood Highway (US 26) between Sandy and Rhododendron has a lot of crossover accidents when the sun is setting.
US 101 in Prunedale CA has had the "Blood Alley" name for decades and a sign to let people know just how dangerous it was. CalTrans gets the Footdragging Award from me for a highway project that should have been dealt with 50 years ago.
Honorable mention: US 20 east of Newport OR in the Eddyville curves area. Newport/Lincoln County residents have clamored for this totally obsolete road to be upgraded since the 1950's. ODOT finally got it on their to-do list and then the contractor got overwhelmed by the geographic and hydrological problems. Now the half finished project sits there as folks try to figure out how to build bridges on supports that will stay level in waterlogged ground. Good luck with that...LOL!
Rick
It has been more than a few years but when I was stationed at Keesler AFB in Biloxi we were warned that US-90 was a very dangerous road. Heavy traffic, the fact it ran pretty much east-west so the sun was in somebody's eyes most of the time, the beach right next to it (Especially the well known Bikini Babe who sold swimsuits along side the road and wore suits that definitely caught your attention :wow:) caused a lot of accidents. There was a sign as you left the base claiming that it was one of 10 deadliest roads in the US. This was before all the Casinos came to town.
Quote from: xcellntbuy on February 17, 2012, 05:00:03 PM
US 27 in Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach Counties has been referred to as "Bloody 27." Krome Avenue FL 997, particularly the empty 13-mile stretch between US 41 and US 27 in far western Miami-Dade County, can shivers up a person's spine.
Down there wouldn't the Overseas Highway be more notoriously dangerious? The 18 mile stretch, before they finished the median barrier, was one of the most dangerous stretched of road in the country (supposedly).
I-94 and US 41 between Kenosha WI and Waukegan IL had bad reputations as blood highways back when Wisconsin's drinking age was 18 and Illinois was 21. That has since gone down dramatically.
Down there wouldn't the Overseas Highway be more notoriously dangerious? The 18 mile stretch, before they finished the median barrier, was one of the most dangerous stretched of road in the country (supposedly).
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How could I have forgotten. You are absolutely correct.
Quote from: bsmart on February 17, 2012, 08:30:42 PM
It has been more than a few years but when I was stationed at Keesler AFB in Biloxi we were warned that US-90 was a very dangerous road. Heavy traffic, the fact it ran pretty much east-west so the sun was in somebody's eyes most of the time, the beach right next to it (Especially the well known Bikini Babe who sold swimsuits along side the road and wore suits that definitely caught your attention :wow:) caused a lot of accidents. There was a sign as you left the base claiming that it was one of 10 deadliest roads in the US. This was before all the Casinos came to town.
I did my tech training at Keesler back in 1974. I-10 was not finished and ended at US 49 just north of Gulfport, so US 90 was a real busy road back then. We got a hurricane warning film that dealt with Hurricane Camille, which had hit in 1969 and killed hundreds on the Gulf Coast. Harrison County looked pretty sketchy compared to my home area in Oregon so all in all it was a good place to keep one's guard up as US 90 wasn't the only hazard down there.
Rick
The soon-to-be former I-40 in Oklahoma City has a well-earned bad reputation for the crumbling Crosstown bridge. 2 of the 3 westbound lanes were closed again last night due to another hole in the bridge. Thankfully, come Sunday, westbound traffic will be routed on the new alignment a few blocks to the south. Eastbound traffic moved to the new alignment in early January.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on February 17, 2012, 05:31:59 PM
Quote from: PennDOTFan on February 17, 2012, 05:22:21 PM
the super-2 portion of the West Chester By-Pass on US 322 is where Jackass star Ryan Dunn had his fatal car crash.
he had a blood alcohol level of 0.196, and he was estimated to have been doing over 120mph.
can't blame the road for that one.
Yeah that's true. But that fairly congested super-2 between Pottstown Pike and US 322 is still pretty dangerous.
Quote from: empirestate on February 17, 2012, 05:14:16 PM
Weird. I've not known the Can to have an especially bad rep since it was rebuilt, and I lived near it for 30 years! (But see my earlier comments about seeming to have a totally different experience from everyone else regarding these things.)
Only during peak rush hour, and mainly on NY 590 south and I-490 east (both of which have at least one ramp become an exit only lane immediately upon entering the other road); the weaving causes issues.
Quote from: deanej on February 18, 2012, 01:00:10 PM
Quote from: empirestate on February 17, 2012, 05:14:16 PM
Weird. I've not known the Can to have an especially bad rep since it was rebuilt, and I lived near it for 30 years! (But see my earlier comments about seeming to have a totally different experience from everyone else regarding these things.)
Only during peak rush hour, and mainly on NY 590 south and I-490 east (both of which have at least one ramp become an exit only lane immediately upon entering the other road); the weaving causes issues.
The weaving, of course, being the whole reason for the rebuild in the first place. Of course, it used to affect all through traffic on 590, and as a result on 490 as well. The rebuild didn't eliminate the weaving, but did move it such that it only affects the spots adjacent to the nearby surface road exits. The trickiest I've found to be 590 NB at the Blossom Road exit (conflicting with traffic entering from 490 WB) and 490 EB at Penfield Road (conflicting with traffic entering from 590 SB).
The worst rush hour traffic in my experience, though, has been further west on 490, through the Culver-Monroe-Goodman stretch, or further east, on the 490-441 route. But it's been a while since I regularly commuted in that fashion, so patterns may have shifted. Also, I think that I've seen so much worse traffic in other cities that even the worst of Rochester's doesn't really register with me anymore. ;-)
The Central Interchange in Downtown Akron, OH.
That interchange is almost 60 years old and is still, for the most part, the same as it was in the 1950s.
- There are two left exit ramps from I-76 to I-77 South and SR-8 North that have shore deceleration lanes and what seems to be 89.999 degree turn-offs. If it's not some overturned semi shutting down the ramps, its a car crash into the barrier walls.
- On the north-south ramps to I-76, there is only one lane for each direction -- especially bad for the 2-3 lanes of I-77 north having to squeeze into the single transition lane to continue onto I-77 via the I-76 multiplex.
- The interchange itself is crumbling and losing pieces on a regular basis, forcing ODOT to close ramps and lanes until the freshly-chewed bubble gum holding up the new loose concrete hardens.
Quote from: US71 on February 16, 2012, 08:55:55 PM
About 20 or so years ago, there was a bumper sticker "I drive US 71 in Arkansas. Pray for me"
71 between Alma & Fayetteville has always had a bad rep: narrow, twisted, and steep. Lots of stories & legends of people getting killed on 71, including a UofA President back in the 1930's or 40's.
I've seen the same slogan being used on a bumper sticker referring to US 219 in Pennsylvania.
What about the sharp curve on I-20 in west Birmingham? Or the former "S-curve" on I-59 in Laurel, MS?
Quote from: golden eagle on February 19, 2012, 10:29:54 PM
What about the sharp curve on I-20 in west Birmingham?
That is actually on the east side of town near the airport, it is known as Deadman's Curve. I-20 in St Clair County was known as Death Valley because of all the crossover wrecks (most of it has been widened). I-20/59 between I-459 and Tuscaloosa was also notorious for its crossover wrecks (most of it has also been widened).
Quote from: bugo on February 17, 2012, 02:44:01 AM
Old OK 33 (now "Scenic" (Alternate) US 412 from Chouteau to West Siloam Springs.
"Scenic" is just a polite way of DOTs saying "shitty".
AAA won't suggest taking US 301 between Waldo and Lawtey in northern Florida, unless you have to drive to Starke, which is (in)-conveniently located between the two. From 65 mph to 35 mph, which the occassional "phantom" 15 mph school zone in between. Hampton (just south of Starke) also annexed a tiny strip of land that includes the traffic light at US 301 and CR 18.
Even the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/30/us/route-301-journal-for-speeders-in-florida-20-miles-of-bad-road.html?scp=4&sq=lawtey&st=nyt) had an article on the Buford T. Justices down there.
Personally, if you're not paying attention to all the warning signs posted around there, you aren't an attentive driver.
US 666 was known as the Devil's highway, due to Biblical reference of the number "666". It has been renumbered to US 491. It had a very high number of alcohol related accidents, and still does despite the new route number. McKinley County NM has the highest DUI rate, per capita, in the US. (where the Devil's Highway is loacted)
Quote from: sandiaman on February 20, 2012, 11:44:19 PM
US 666 was known as the Devil's highway, due to Biblical reference of the number "666". It has been renumbered to US 491. It had a very high number of alcohol related accidents, and still does despite the new route number. McKinley County NM has the highest DUI rate, per capita, in the US. (where the Devil's Highway is loacted)
idiot superstition.
shoot one in every 100 drunk drivers on the spot. the problem will resolve itself quickly.
Quote from: formulanone on February 20, 2012, 10:33:53 PM
AAA won't suggest taking US 301 between Waldo and Lawtey in northern Florida, unless you have to drive to Starke, which is (in)-conveniently located between the two. From 65 mph to 35 mph, which the occassional "phantom" 15 mph school zone in between. Hampton (just south of Starke) also annexed a tiny strip of land that includes the traffic light at US 301 and CR 18.
Even the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/30/us/route-301-journal-for-speeders-in-florida-20-miles-of-bad-road.html?scp=4&sq=lawtey&st=nyt) had an article on the Buford T. Justices down there.
Personally, if you're not paying attention to all the warning signs posted around there, you aren't an attentive driver.
The Florida DOT did studies and the speed limit now only drops to 40 MPH in Lawtey. The speed limit is 65 outside of town now. Waldo like to get folks on SR 24 too going to/from Gainesville... its a short one-way pair that used to have a 25MPH speed limit... after Gator Games etc. When you drive 301 you see all the local people slow to the speed limit and the PA/NJ/OH etc driver blowing past you at 65-70. Back in the 1960s my dad and his buddy got pulled over in Lawtey and he almost went to jail for vagrancy... no money after spring break in Ft Lauderdale,,, but his partents wired him some money... ahh the days of the Jim Crow South. In the next decade Lawtey will be a Jacksonville suburb and I think that will change things somewhat
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 20, 2012, 10:11:47 AM
Quote from: bugo on February 17, 2012, 02:44:01 AM
Old OK 33 (now "Scenic" (Alternate) US 412 from Chouteau to West Siloam Springs.
"Scenic" is just a polite way of DOTs saying "shitty".
What I hate is when you plan a trip to go a bit out of the way to go on the dotted route since it is supposed to be "scenic" and then its so boring you could watch paint dry. Like old route 66 in far west Arizona.
Quote from: texaskdog on February 21, 2012, 01:13:00 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 20, 2012, 10:11:47 AM
Quote from: bugo on February 17, 2012, 02:44:01 AM
Old OK 33 (now "Scenic" (Alternate) US 412 from Chouteau to West Siloam Springs.
"Scenic" is just a polite way of DOTs saying "shitty".
What I hate is when you plan a trip to go a bit out of the way to go on the dotted route since it is supposed to be "scenic" and then its so boring you could watch paint dry. Like old route 66 in far west Arizona.
This is boring? http://www.flickr.com/photos/meteorry/4360859326/
Quote from: PennDOTFan on February 18, 2012, 12:09:11 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on February 17, 2012, 05:31:59 PM
Quote from: PennDOTFan on February 17, 2012, 05:22:21 PM
the super-2 portion of the West Chester By-Pass on US 322 is where Jackass star Ryan Dunn had his fatal car crash.
he had a blood alcohol level of 0.196, and he was estimated to have been doing over 120mph.
can't blame the road for that one.
Yeah that's true. But that fairly congested super-2 between Pottstown Pike and US 322 is still pretty dangerous.
Is it still congested? One would've thought that after the Exton Bypass (US 30) opened in the late 90s, a lot of the traffic to/from Downingtown would've used that instead.
I-71/75 in Northern Kentucky. Its was known as "Death Hill" because of the downgrades and the s-curve.
Quote from: thenetwork on February 18, 2012, 02:17:31 PM
The Central Interchange in Downtown Akron, OH.
That interchange is almost 60 years old and is still, for the most part, the same as it was in the 1950s.
- There are two left exit ramps from I-76 to I-77 South and SR-8 North that have shore deceleration lanes and what seems to be 89.999 degree turn-offs. If it's not some overturned semi shutting down the ramps, its a car crash into the barrier walls.
- On the north-south ramps to I-76, there is only one lane for each direction -- especially bad for the 2-3 lanes of I-77 north having to squeeze into the single transition lane to continue onto I-77 via the I-76 multiplex.
- The interchange itself is crumbling and losing pieces on a regular basis, forcing ODOT to close ramps and lanes until the freshly-chewed bubble gum holding up the new loose concrete hardens.
It is also not uncommon to have a broken guardrail, especially when exiting to SR 8 NB from I-76 west.
The sad part is that this interchange will not be rebuilt anytime in the future. :thumbdown:
but hey, brand new shields with no state name. because the state did something!
Quote from: texaskdog on February 21, 2012, 01:13:00 PM
What I hate is when you plan a trip to go a bit out of the way to go on the dotted route since it is supposed to be "scenic" and then its so boring you could watch paint dry. Like old route 66 in far west Arizona.
Some maps have shown Alligator Alley to be scenic, but mostly, it's interesting only once. A visitor from overseas described it to me as "its like being in a Scooby Doo cartoon where you drive down the same stretch of 1/2 mile freeway over and over again passing the same 'road furniture' over and over again.".
Quote from: texaskdog on February 21, 2012, 01:13:00 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 20, 2012, 10:11:47 AM
Quote from: bugo on February 17, 2012, 02:44:01 AM
Old OK 33 (now "Scenic" (Alternate) US 412 from Chouteau to West Siloam Springs.
"Scenic" is just a polite way of DOTs saying "shitty".
What I hate is when you plan a trip to go a bit out of the way to go on the dotted route since it is supposed to be "scenic" and then its so boring you could watch paint dry. Like old route 66 in far west Arizona.
Quote from: texaskdog on February 21, 2012, 01:13:00 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 20, 2012, 10:11:47 AM
Quote from: bugo on February 17, 2012, 02:44:01 AM
Old OK 33 (now "Scenic" (Alternate) US 412 from Chouteau to West Siloam Springs.
"Scenic" is just a polite way of DOTs saying "shitty".
What I hate is when you plan a trip to go a bit out of the way to go on the dotted route since it is supposed to be "scenic" and then its so boring you could watch paint dry. Like old route 66 in far west Arizona.
The Cherokee Turnpike is more scenic than Scenic 412. And it's a much easier drive, making it easier to enjoy the scenery.
Lee Road aka LA 437 just north of Covington, LA.
It's very curvy and many people - especially teens - have ran off the road at high speed and hit either power poles or trees.
Quote from: bugo on February 21, 2012, 08:07:04 PM
The Cherokee Turnpike is more scenic than Scenic 412. And it's a much easier drive, making it easier to enjoy the scenery.
I seem to remember that AASHTO actually approved the scenic route on the turnpike, but Oklahoma fucked it up.
Quote from: NE2 on February 22, 2012, 05:30:32 AM
Quote from: bugo on February 21, 2012, 08:07:04 PM
The Cherokee Turnpike is more scenic than Scenic 412. And it's a much easier drive, making it easier to enjoy the scenery.
I seem to remember that AASHTO actually approved the scenic route on the turnpike, but Oklahoma fucked it up.
ODOT fucking something up? No way dude. They are perfect in every way.
Quote from: brownpelican on February 22, 2012, 12:45:51 AM
Lee Road aka LA 437 just north of Covington, LA.
It's very curvy and many people - especially teens - have ran off the road at high speed and hit either power poles or trees.
Yeah, that's a bad stretch... The Bayou Liberty Road stretch of LA 433 in Slidell may be worse, IMO. Very narrow, overposted at 40(!) and the sightlines absolutely suck.
In Montgomery County, Maryland, Md. 108 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland_Route_108) is a notoriously dangerous highway, especially between Damascus and Olney (most of it is undivided, 1 lane each way).
US-23 between I-270 (north) in Columbus and Delaware, OH is is often known for being a pain to drive due to the amount of stop lights and traffic it gets, especially since it is the mainline from Columbus to Toledo and on up into Michigan. Coincidentally, I believe there was a problem with drug trafficking at one point in time along some part of 23 (I think south of Columbus) as well.
Quote from: cooperrhall on March 08, 2012, 01:58:35 PM
Coincidentally, I believe there was a problem with drug trafficking at one point in time along some part of 23 (I think south of Columbus) as well.
there was a problem? implying they solved it? correctly, once and for all? sweet, where along the 23 corridor can I get my legal narcotics?
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 08, 2012, 03:14:17 PM
Quote from: cooperrhall on March 08, 2012, 01:58:35 PM
Coincidentally, I believe there was a problem with drug trafficking at one point in time along some part of 23 (I think south of Columbus) as well.
there was a problem? implying they solved it? correctly, once and for all? sweet, where along the 23 corridor can I get my legal narcotics?
I should really pay attention to the way I phrase things more closely. Anyway, here's a few articles for anyone interested:
http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2010/aug/08/4/four-oxycontin-busts-two-days-nets-seven-arrests-ar-184148/ (http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2010/aug/08/4/four-oxycontin-busts-two-days-nets-seven-arrests-ar-184148/)
and
http://www.waxxtv.com/?p=11389 (http://www.waxxtv.com/?p=11389)
Haven't looked into it much before now, but I'm sure it doesn't help the highway's reputation any.
Quote from: cooperrhall on March 08, 2012, 04:35:41 PM
Haven't looked into it much before now, but I'm sure it doesn't help the highway's reputation any.
no, it does not. cops that have nothing better to do than to seize private property instead of investigating actual crime.
Quote from: cooperrhall on March 08, 2012, 01:58:35 PM
US-23 between I-270 (north) in Columbus and Delaware, OH is is often known for being a pain to drive due to the amount of stop lights and traffic it gets, especially since it is the mainline from Columbus to Toledo and on up into Michigan.
I drive for a living. I and most of my coworkers avoid that section of US 23, either by US 33&42, or I-71 & US 36, to Delaware (depending on which side of Columbus we're coming from). The road is also a pain on the north side of Delaware, about up to the test pavement, and there's no way to bypass that section. Then the test pavement section is annoying because it's essentially an expressway, yet the speed limit is only 55...
All of this is the motivation for my I-171 proposal (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4801.0) in Fictional Highways.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 08, 2012, 03:14:17 PM
Quote from: cooperrhall on March 08, 2012, 01:58:35 PM
Coincidentally, I believe there was a problem with drug trafficking at one point in time along some part of 23 (I think south of Columbus) as well.
there was a problem? implying they solved it? correctly, once and for all? sweet, where along the 23 corridor can I get my legal narcotics?
My house. I'll be waiting for you.
Quote from: vtk on March 08, 2012, 05:23:10 PM
Quote from: cooperrhall on March 08, 2012, 01:58:35 PM
US-23 between I-270 (north) in Columbus and Delaware, OH is is often known for being a pain to drive due to the amount of stop lights and traffic it gets, especially since it is the mainline from Columbus to Toledo and on up into Michigan.
I drive for a living. I and most of my coworkers avoid that section of US 23, either by US 33&42, or I-71 & US 36, to Delaware (depending on which side of Columbus we're coming from). The road is also a pain on the north side of Delaware, about up to the test pavement, and there's no way to bypass that section. Then the test pavement section is annoying because it's essentially an expressway, yet the speed limit is only 55
Why not use Sawmill/Liberty or Flint/Old State Rd/US 36 instead?
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on March 08, 2012, 10:12:54 PM
Quote from: vtk on March 08, 2012, 05:23:10 PM
Quote from: cooperrhall on March 08, 2012, 01:58:35 PM
US-23 between I-270 (north) in Columbus and Delaware, OH is is often known for being a pain to drive due to the amount of stop lights and traffic it gets, especially since it is the mainline from Columbus to Toledo and on up into Michigan.
I drive for a living. I and most of my coworkers avoid that section of US 23, either by US 33&42, or I-71 & US 36, to Delaware (depending on which side of Columbus we're coming from). The road is also a pain on the north side of Delaware, about up to the test pavement, and there's no way to bypass that section. Then the test pavement section is annoying because it's essentially an expressway, yet the speed limit is only 55...
Why not use Sawmill/Liberty or Flint/Old State Rd/US 36 instead?
Both of those still involve at least a few miles of non-freeway through developed suburbs. I imagine it would be hard to sell our drivers on either one. I doubt I'll ever try them, unless maybe I'm coming from the Flint or Polaris areas, which doesn't happen often.
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Quote from: thenetwork on February 18, 2012, 02:17:31 PM
The Central Interchange in Downtown Akron, OH.
That interchange is almost 60 years old and is still, for the most part, the same as it was in the 1950s.
- There are two left exit ramps from I-76 to I-77 South and SR-8 North that have shore deceleration lanes and what seems to be 89.999 degree turn-offs. If it's not some overturned semi shutting down the ramps, its a car crash into the barrier walls.
- On the north-south ramps to I-76, there is only one lane for each direction -- especially bad for the 2-3 lanes of I-77 north having to squeeze into the single transition lane to continue onto I-77 via the I-76 multiplex.
- The interchange itself is crumbling and losing pieces on a regular basis, forcing ODOT to close ramps and lanes until the freshly-chewed bubble gum holding up the new loose concrete hardens.
Yeah, I remember the one time I was in Akron (July 2007) the ramp to stay on I-77 NB at the I-76/OH 8 interchange was closed due to an accident. The detour was to take 76 east and then reverse direction at the next interchange. Almost got hit by some asshole too who didn't check before trying to move over a couple minutes prior.
One that came to mind for me is the I-10/I-12 corridor in Louisiana. I remember seeing a news report many years ago identifying this as one of the busiest drug-running corridors in the country (Mexico to Florida). I remember the discussion being about such a heavy police presence and a lot of traffic stops. I wasn't too concerned when I drove the length of I-12 a few years ago, because I was going west and I figured enforcement concentration would be on the other side of the road.
Quote from: hbelkins on March 16, 2012, 09:17:50 PM
One that came to mind for me is the I-10/I-12 corridor in Louisiana. I remember seeing a news report many years ago identifying this as one of the busiest drug-running corridors in the country (Mexico to Florida). I remember the discussion being about such a heavy police presence and a lot of traffic stops. I wasn't too concerned when I drove the length of I-12 a few years ago, because I was going west and I figured enforcement concentration would be on the other side of the road.
Wasn't that visit of yours (for the Louisiana roadmeet) during the onset of Hurricane Gustav?
It was right before some hurricane, but I don't remember the name. IIRC that hurricane didn't amount to much.
It was Gustav, I was there too.
Yeah, I-12 is known to be bad for drugs, but I've never gotten stopped once on that road even in suspect vehicles.
Quote from: Darkchylde on March 18, 2012, 06:55:39 PM
It was Gustav, I was there too.
Yeah, I-12 is known to be bad for drugs, but I've never gotten stopped once on that road even in suspect vehicles.
"suspect vehicles"? under what probable cause would you be stopped? (or should I be wryly laughing at the entire concept?)
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 18, 2012, 08:37:35 PM
"suspect vehicles"? under what probable cause would you be stopped? (or should I be wryly laughing at the entire concept?)
Busted tail light, missing headlight, half the windshield smashed in, expired plates, expired/no inspection stickers, parts falling off, etc. (The vehicle with half the windshield busted in and the expired plates wasn't mine)
I got pulled over on I-10 in Lafayette for going 10 under. We explained to the cops that we were going to exit off at the next exit to get gas, and he let us go.
Quote from: bugo on March 19, 2012, 02:39:26 AM
I got pulled over on I-10 in Lafayette for going 10 under. We explained to the cops that we were going to exit off at the next exit to get gas, and he let us go.
Heh, considering damn near everyone on the Interstates in Southern Louisiana does 10
over, of course you looked suspicious!
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 18, 2012, 08:37:35 PM
"suspect vehicles"? under what probable cause would you be stopped? (or should I be wryly laughing at the entire concept?)
Just laugh at the concept. If your car looks like a drug car, they'll find a reason to pull you over.
Quote from: bugo on March 19, 2012, 02:39:26 AM
I got pulled over on I-10 in Lafayette for going 10 under. We explained to the cops that we were going to exit off at the next exit to get gas, and he let us go.
As long as you were meeting a minimum, what was the justification for pulling you over. That sounds like a load of crap to me, for the cops to pull someone over for driving slower than the speed limit.
Quote from: hbelkins on March 19, 2012, 10:37:44 AM
Quote from: bugo on March 19, 2012, 02:39:26 AM
I got pulled over on I-10 in Lafayette for going 10 under. We explained to the cops that we were going to exit off at the next exit to get gas, and he let us go.
As long as you were meeting a minimum, what was the justification for pulling you over. That sounds like a load of crap to me, for the cops to pull someone over for driving slower than the speed limit.
It was just an excuse. We had out of state tags. Once they stopped us they realized we weren't a "threat" and let us go.
Quote from: realjd on March 19, 2012, 08:01:36 AM
Just laugh at the concept. If your car looks like a drug car, they'll find a reason to pull you over.
What is a "drug car?" A rainbow colored VW Bus?
Quote from: Darkchylde on March 19, 2012, 02:11:14 AM
Busted tail light, missing headlight, half the windshield smashed in, expired plates, expired/no inspection stickers, parts falling off, etc. (The vehicle with half the windshield busted in and the expired plates wasn't mine)
oh good. it is important that our drug runners keep their vehicles maintained and in compliance with regulations.
Quote from: bugo on March 19, 2012, 11:14:27 AM
What is a "drug car?" A rainbow colored VW Bus?
From what I've heard, they often look for things like cars that are tilted or weighted oddly (for instance, loaded heavily toward the back-right wheel), marks/modifications in the area of the gas cap door, three men in the car (one asleep in the back, one up front driving, and one up front navigating - so they can rotate duties and drive 24/7).
I'm sure there is more to it than that, but my understanding is that those are some of the criteria they use around here. They're looking for cars that fit the profile of a drug runner. A rainbow VW Bus with pothead college kids isn't who they're primarily trying to catch.
Quote from: realjd on March 19, 2012, 12:41:03 PM
From what I've heard, they often look for things like cars that are tilted or weighted oddly (for instance, loaded heavily toward the back-right wheel),
why is back-right wheel area the best place to put a giant heap of drugs?
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 19, 2012, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: realjd on March 19, 2012, 12:41:03 PM
From what I've heard, they often look for things like cars that are tilted or weighted oddly (for instance, loaded heavily toward the back-right wheel),
why is back-right wheel area the best place to put a giant heap of drugs?
That was just an example. I think the idea is that they put their heap of drugs in the gas tank or something. Since I'm not a cop, I don't know specifics. All this is secondhand.
As for the main topic, I would say US290 Northwest freeway in Houston should be on this list. Nobody likes this parking lot from 4:00 to 7:00 during "rush hour". I-95 in from the toll plaza to new bridge in Bridgeport is another headache. It could take someone 2 to 3 hours to go the 25 miles.
Orange Blossom Trail from Taft-Vineland Road to Princeton Street in Orlando is dubbed "The Trail" cause of its roach motels, adult book stores, prostitutes walking down various areas, and the infamous Parliment House Resort that caters to the alternative life style.
Part of the reason why the traffic signals are so ugly between I-4 and the Florida Turnpike. It was to improve the look, but since they added sidewalks to the whole thing, it gives the oldest proffesion a place to strut now. It has not improved any since the project. In fact this roadway will always be the same if not worse for time to come.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 24, 2012, 07:58:01 PM
Orange Blossom Trail from Taft-Vineland Road to Princeton Street in Orlando is dubbed "The Trail" cause of its roach motels, adult book stores, prostitutes walking down various areas, and the infamous Parliment House Resort that caters to the alternative life style.
Part of the reason why the traffic signals are so ugly between I-4 and the Florida Turnpike. It was to improve the look, but since they added sidewalks to the whole thing, it gives the oldest proffesion a place to strut now. It has not improved any since the project. In fact this roadway will always be the same if not worse for time to come.
There's one of the biggest malls in the state, a Chipotle, an Ikea, and a bunch of other high end chain stores and restaurants. OBT near the Turnpike is clearly a bad part of town. Now go a few blocks north of Sand Lake and there are some strip clubs and such, but it doesn't really get bad until you get north of I-4 IMO.
No it has its degrees. Around the Citrus Bowl (hey I think the explosive experts made a mistake, they were supposed to set charges here and not the Amway) its the worst. Nonetheless, it has a bad rap and is known as "The Trail." By the way Ikea is not located there. You are thinking of Millenia which is nearby, but in a bad part of town also.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 24, 2012, 09:39:53 PM
No it has its degrees. Around the Citrus Bowl (hey I think the explosive experts made a mistake, they were supposed to set charges here and not the Amway) its the worst. Nonetheless, it has a bad rap and is known as "The Trail." By the way Ikea is not located there. You are thinking of Millenia which is nearby, but in a bad part of town also.
Yeah, my bad on Ikea. I was confusing the two malls. And the Mall at Millenia is also in a completely not bad part of town BTW. It's also in an area full of high end chain stores, restaurants, and expensive apartments. If you think millenia is ghetto, I imagine much of Orlando frightens you. And for what it's worth, I've been to many soccer games (Orlando Ciry SC) at the Citrus Bowl at night and never had any issues, and that's actually in a bad part of town. Olando has some shady places, but millennia and around the Florida Mall ain't them.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 24, 2012, 07:58:01 PM
Orange Blossom Trail from Taft-Vineland Road to Princeton Street in Orlando is dubbed "The Trail" cause of its roach motels, adult book stores, prostitutes walking down various areas, and the infamous Parliment House Resort that caters to the alternative life style.
I'm not seeing the causal relationship here. Is there a meaning of "trail" that I'm not familiar with?
Quote from: NE2 on March 25, 2012, 03:37:34 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 24, 2012, 07:58:01 PM
Orange Blossom Trail from Taft-Vineland Road to Princeton Street in Orlando is dubbed "The Trail" cause of its roach motels, adult book stores, prostitutes walking down various areas, and the infamous Parliment House Resort that caters to the alternative life style.
I'm not seeing the causal relationship here. Is there a meaning of "trail" that I'm not familiar with?
Maybe snail trail? :P
I-25 in southern Denver metro, pre-TREX. The freeway dipped to go underneath streets that remained at-grade, and had poor drainage, so every time it rained, there were low sections that were notorious for standing water.
Hard to tell, but the Alamagordo bypass on US 54/70 seems to be ever so slightly shorter than the old route through town. The ramp from US 70 EB may add just enough distance to negate the advantage, that's how close it is.
I am amazed nobody has mentioned the northern part of I-65 between Indy and Gary, or I-95 between Richmond and Washington DC. The frequent backups, horrible drivers and frequent accidents give them a bad rep. And, like most other roads with these problems, there is no easy way around either one.
Quote from: DevalDragon on March 27, 2012, 12:05:10 PM
I am amazed nobody has mentioned the northern part of I-65 between Indy and Gary, or I-95 between Richmond and Washington DC. The frequent backups, horrible drivers and frequent accidents give them a bad rep. And, like most other roads with these problems, there is no easy way around either one.
I can't speak for the second one, but you can get around I-65 by taking US 52 and US 41, you just have to tolerate going through Lafayette and Northwest Indiana, but outside of that the driving is much calmer and roads emptier.
Quote from: DevalDragon on March 27, 2012, 12:05:10 PM
I am amazed nobody has mentioned the northern part of I-65 between Indy and Gary, or I-95 between Richmond and Washington DC. The frequent backups, horrible drivers and frequent accidents give them a bad rep. And, like most other roads with these problems, there is no easy way around either one.
I haven't driven between Lafayette and Gary very much, but I've been driving the stretch between Lafayette and Indy regularly for years and don't remember ever having problems.
Quote from: realjd on March 24, 2012, 10:28:24 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 24, 2012, 09:39:53 PM
No it has its degrees. Around the Citrus Bowl (hey I think the explosive experts made a mistake, they were supposed to set charges here and not the Amway) its the worst. Nonetheless, it has a bad rap and is known as "The Trail." By the way Ikea is not located there. You are thinking of Millenia which is nearby, but in a bad part of town also.
Yeah, my bad on Ikea. I was confusing the two malls. And the Mall at Millenia is also in a completely not bad part of town BTW. It's also in an area full of high end chain stores, restaurants, and expensive apartments. If you think millenia is ghetto, I imagine much of Orlando frightens you. And for what it's worth, I've been to many soccer games (Orlando Ciry SC) at the Citrus Bowl at night and never had any issues, and that's actually in a bad part of town. Olando has some shady places, but millennia and around the Florida Mall ain't them.
First of all, I have known two people who live or have lived on Americana Boulevard near Millenia Mall. One has had her car stolen out of the parking lot of the apartment houses there that are not UPSCALE. Then another friend of mine said the one of his friends was shot in one apartment complex along the same corridor.
Then you have the area on John Young nearby and Bruton Boulevard plus the apartments along Millenia Boulevard off Oak Ridge Road which may look like upscale, but not. Maybe all not total ghetto (BTW I never said ghetto in the first place) only pointing out the bad rap the OBT has gotten over the decades and some things around the Millenia that have some issues.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 27, 2012, 08:49:18 PM
Quote from: realjd on March 24, 2012, 10:28:24 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 24, 2012, 09:39:53 PM
No it has its degrees. Around the Citrus Bowl (hey I think the explosive experts made a mistake, they were supposed to set charges here and not the Amway) its the worst. Nonetheless, it has a bad rap and is known as "The Trail." By the way Ikea is not located there. You are thinking of Millenia which is nearby, but in a bad part of town also.
Yeah, my bad on Ikea. I was confusing the two malls. And the Mall at Millenia is also in a completely not bad part of town BTW. It's also in an area full of high end chain stores, restaurants, and expensive apartments. If you think millenia is ghetto, I imagine much of Orlando frightens you. And for what it's worth, I've been to many soccer games (Orlando Ciry SC) at the Citrus Bowl at night and never had any issues, and that's actually in a bad part of town. Olando has some shady places, but millennia and around the Florida Mall ain't them.
First of all, I have known two people who live or have lived on Americana Boulevard near Millenia Mall. One has had her car stolen out of the parking lot of the apartment houses there that are not UPSCALE. Then another friend of mine said the one of his friends was shot in one apartment complex along the same corridor.
Then you have the area on John Young nearby and Bruton Boulevard plus the apartments along Millenia Boulevard off Oak Ridge Road which may look like upscale, but not. Maybe all not total ghetto (BTW I never said ghetto in the first place) only pointing out the bad rap the OBT has gotten over the decades and some things around the Millenia that have some issues.
Fair point. OBT does have a bad reputation, and I misunderstood what you meant by "bad part of town". East of JYP, the area near Millenia does get a bit sketchy (as does OBT), but it isn't avoid-driving-through-at-night bad. I took "bad part of town" to mean something more like Pine Hills or Parramore which is why I was surprised at your characterization.
As for the apartments along Millenia Blvd, I'm not convinced there are true "upscale" apartments anywhere. Even the nice ones I've lived in had some weird folks living there. Apartments by their nature attract a more transient population and all of the problems that comes along with it. They aren't Section 8 rentals though, are they? At least here in Melbourne, the Section 8 apartments tend to be crime magnets, even in the nice parts of town.
Quote from: realjd on March 28, 2012, 08:13:19 AM
As for the apartments along Millenia Blvd, I'm not convinced there are true "upscale" apartments anywhere. Even the nice ones I've lived in had some weird folks living there. Apartments by their nature attract a more transient population and all of the problems that comes along with it.
Yeah, that's been my experience (as well as second-hand experience); I've known college students to rent out a very nice and posh place, just to say they lived there. Put 8 students in a 4-bedroom apartment going for $1600 a month with all the trappings (this was 1995 or so), and you've got one hell of a place to party, but a terrible place to crash. (I'm sure the other tenants
hated them, and celebrated when they left the following year.) To be fair, three of them worked in the New Urban shopping plaza that stretched out below their apartment, so they had a good reason to stay there, since not all of them had any transportation.
My wife and I put our money together to get out of the apartment life, but even owning a house still has a very real chance of having a whack-a-doo neighbor who never mows his lawn, or another that burns trash for no earthly reason, sets off fireworks at 3am, you name it.
WV 10 (and former WV 10 in some parts) between West Hamlin and Man, WV.
It has narrow lanes, blind curves, blind hills, and if you're driving right beside the mountain, there are jagged rocks just a few inches from the roadway. There's been countless deaths on this road, and I could've sworn there was a memorial built for all the victims of car crashes on it, but that could've just been misinformation or hearsay.
Parts in Logan County are currently being replaced with an ADHS-grade road, with bridges sweeping across whole valleys, probably a few hundred feet high, going over entire towns. I took a drive on it once and I was amazed by the bridges and the sights that could be seen from them.
Old WV 10 between Man and Logan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCcK58jVWiE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCcK58jVWiE)
Quote from: DevalDragon on March 27, 2012, 12:05:10 PM
I am amazed nobody has mentioned the northern part of I-65 between Indy and Gary, or I-95 between Richmond and Washington DC. The frequent backups, horrible drivers and frequent accidents give them a bad rep. And, like most other roads with these problems, there is no easy way around either one.
While I don't see the frequent backups, I completely understand your reasoning. The section between I-865 and U.S. 52 was (is?) notorious for heavy congestion, but they are working on the section between the Lebanon exit and U.S. 52 by widening the highway. The section between Exits 138 and 129 was completed in 2010. Where I live, I attribute the congestion between U.S. 30 and I-80/94 more to drivers who don't seem to understand that the left lane is not for leisurely cruises. :)
Now, if you want to talk about bad reputations, look no further than Indiana 912 (Cline Avenue). Very narrow shoulders (especially the inner shoulder), ramps that equate to actual right hand turns, slip ramps where access can be (and often is) blocked by trains, and HEAVY congestion from incoming and outgoing steel mill traffic (the road is only two lanes in each direction). I didn't even mention the now-condemned bridge over the Indiana Harbor, which may be converted into a toll bridge in the near future. (Worse, that bridge collapsed during construction in 1982, killing 15 workers.)
This is my first post after lurking for a few days. I like what I see here and hope to enjoy the ride!
Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on June 02, 2012, 01:59:15 PM
Quote from: DevalDragon on March 27, 2012, 12:05:10 PM
I am amazed nobody has mentioned the northern part of I-65 between Indy and Gary, or I-95 between Richmond and Washington DC. The frequent backups, horrible drivers and frequent accidents give them a bad rep. And, like most other roads with these problems, there is no easy way around either one.
While I don't see the frequent backups, I completely understand your reasoning. The section between I-865 and U.S. 52 was (is?) notorious for heavy congestion, but they are working on the section between the Lebanon exit and U.S. 52 by widening the highway. The section between Exits 132 and 129 was completed in 2010. Where I live, I attribute the congestion between U.S. 30 and I-80/94 more to drivers who don't seem to understand that the left lane is not for leisurely cruises. :)
Now, if you want to talk about bad reputations, look no further than Indiana 912 (Cline Avenue). Very narrow shoulders (especially the inner shoulder), ramps that equate to actual right hand turns, slip ramps where access can be (and often is) blocked by trains, and HEAVY congestion from incoming and outgoing steel mill traffic (the road is only two lanes in each direction). I didn't even mention the now-condemned bridge over the Indiana Harbor, which may be converted into a toll bridge in the near future. (Worse, that bridge collapsed during construction in 1982, killing 15 workers.)
This is my first post after lurking for a few days. I like what I see here and hope to enjoy the ride!
Throw in the fact that Cline Ave goes through shady neighborhoods.
Quote from: Kein Mitleid on June 02, 2012, 03:06:27 AM
WV 10 (and former WV 10 in some parts) between West Hamlin and Man, WV.
It has narrow lanes, blind curves, blind hills, and if you're driving right beside the mountain, there are jagged rocks just a few inches from the roadway. There's been countless deaths on this road, and I could've sworn there was a memorial built for all the victims of car crashes on it, but that could've just been misinformation or hearsay.
Parts in Logan County are currently being replaced with an ADHS-grade road, with bridges sweeping across whole valleys, probably a few hundred feet high, going over entire towns. I took a drive on it once and I was amazed by the bridges and the sights that could be seen from them.
Old WV 10 between Man and Logan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCcK58jVWiE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCcK58jVWiE)
What is now marked as Taplin Rd on Google Maps? From Google Street View, it looks hairy in some places. https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=37.761758,-81.891489&spn=0.000068,0.0421&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=37.761766,-81.899673&panoid=nljzTNY0jaQy6xpyY_agEw&cbp=12,129.19,,0,9.58
Division Ave (old US-131) through Grand Rapids because it goes through shady neighborhoods. Same thing with parts of Chicago Dr (old M-21/BS-196) through the Godfrey-Lee area. M-11 (both 28th St and Wilson Ave portions) have bad reputations due to traffic (especially with Wilson being TWO LANES despite the growth through Walker).
I am surprised that this one was not mentioned:
GA 56, both the original and Spur, in Augusta-Richmond County.
A female newsanchor who recently left WRDW called it the Dieway, due to the high number of fatal accidents on both MIKE PADGETT HY and DOUG BERNARD PKWY.
While most of it has to do with the highway, quite a bit of it also has to do with people ignoring signs, traffic lights and turn lanes, or texting/eating/drinking while driving.
Quote from: ftballfan on June 04, 2012, 10:08:54 AMThrow in the fact that Cline Ave goes through shady neighborhoods.
Without a doubt. Now, there are exits to decent areas, such as 169th Street (NOT 15th Avenue) and U.S. 12 (Columbus Drive). Otherwise, I'd only use Cline as a quick shortcut to Chicago...before the Indiana Harbor bridge was condemned. Now, you must be cautious. :-/
Indiana 49 (between U.S. 30 and the Toll Road) is known to have some flak, as well. There's a set of hard banking curves just south of the U.S. 6 interchange, and I remember reading an article where a trucker died for under-correcting one of those curves and crashing off-road. The at-grade intersections further south have had their fair share of fatal accidents, and then there's Vale Park Road (County Road 400 N).
When it was a lighted intersection, it was a statistical nightmare. I just read today that in 2 years (2008-2010), that intersection saw 103 vehicles involved in 54 accidents, resulting in 24 injuries and 2 deaths. After using staggered lights (all red for all directions for 5 seconds or more) and flashing lights to warn drivers of the impending signal - with failed results, they started work this month to turn it into a full-fledged diamond-roundabout interchange.
I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to make the stretch between U.S. 6 and U.S. 30 all freeway in a few years from now.
Two in the Central PA area that haven't been mentioned:
-US 22-322 through the Lewistown narrows- most of this has been upgraded now, but I traveled this a lot as a child, and I remember it seemed there were roadside crosses everywhere, and I remember it being fairly infamous.
-I-83 over Reeser's Summit in Northern York county and the I-83/PA-581 interchange are also known as being dangerous, although really I-83 anywhere in the Harrisburg area is horrendous.
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Quote from: Kein Mitleid on June 02, 2012, 03:06:27 AM
WV 10 (and former WV 10 in some parts) between West Hamlin and Man, WV.
It has narrow lanes, blind curves, blind hills, and if you're driving right beside the mountain, there are jagged rocks just a few inches from the roadway. There's been countless deaths on this road, and I could've sworn there was a memorial built for all the victims of car crashes on it, but that could've just been misinformation or hearsay.
Parts in Logan County are currently being replaced with an ADHS-grade road, with bridges sweeping across whole valleys, probably a few hundred feet high, going over entire towns. I took a drive on it once and I was amazed by the bridges and the sights that could be seen from them.
Old WV 10 between Man and Logan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCcK58jVWiE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCcK58jVWiE)
What is now marked as Taplin Rd on Google Maps? From Google Street View, it looks hairy in some places. https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=37.761758,-81.891489&spn=0.000068,0.0421&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=37.761766,-81.899673&panoid=nljzTNY0jaQy6xpyY_agEw&cbp=12,129.19,,0,9.58
Precisely.
I have heard that Route 287 (I-287) in New Jersey is known for being a heavily used truck corridor. In North Jersey many residents driving autos would complain about it for being that.
I used to live in New Jersey, and many people hated trucks then. Hence the truck ban on the Garden State Parkway north of Exit 105, the dual carriageways of the NJ Turnpike restricting trucks to the outer two lanes as even in their own roadway there is a left lane ban for them, and last and not least the statewide truck prohibition on all highways with three or more lanes in the left lane.
Quote from: roadman65 on June 23, 2012, 10:37:11 AM
I used to live in New Jersey, and many people hated trucks then. Hence the truck ban on the Garden State Parkway north of Exit 105
To be fair, trucks aren't allowed north of Exit 105 due to narrower lanes (11 feet instead of 12) and the low aesthetically pleasing overpasses.
Quote from: roadman65 on June 23, 2012, 10:37:11 AM
I used to live in New Jersey, and many people hated trucks then. Hence the truck ban on the Garden State Parkway north of Exit 105, the dual carriageways of the NJ Turnpike restricting trucks to the outer two lanes as even in their own roadway there is a left lane ban for them, and last and not least the statewide truck prohibition on all highways with three or more lanes in the left lane.
All of these things are common practices that are far from limited to New Jersey.
Generally any 'parkway' in any state is not open to trucks, be it in Virginia (Colonial Parkway), New York (almost all of the state parkways), Connecticut (Merritt Parkway), etc.
There aren't really enough dual carriageway setups to use them as an example, but California's Truck Bypasses are the same idea.
Many states ban trucks from the left lane when there are more than 2 lanes - especially all the New England states. It helps keep traffic moving.
Quote from: DevalDragon on March 27, 2012, 12:05:10 PM
I am amazed nobody has mentioned the northern part of I-65 between Indy and Gary, or I-95 between Richmond and Washington DC. The frequent backups, horrible drivers and frequent accidents give them a bad rep. And, like most other roads with these problems, there is no easy way around either one.
I-95 is bad in that stretch because it has effectively become a funnel for traffic between the Washington and Richmond metropolitan areas,
especially on holiday weekends (bad southbound on the "getaway" day, bad northbound on the "return" day).
Note that there are usually
no holiday/weekend backups on I-95 south of the I-95/I-295 interchange in Henrico County, Va. because traffic "spreads out" to I-295, I-64 and even I-85 south of there.
I also believe that southbound backups have gotten worse on "getaway" days because the Woodrow Wilson Bridge project is (mostly) complete and the Springfield Interchange is (mostly) complete, and these no longer function as "ramp meters" for southbound traffic.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 24, 2012, 02:44:08 PM
Generally any 'parkway' in any state is not open to trucks, be it in Virginia (Colonial Parkway), New York (almost all of the state parkways), Connecticut (Merritt Parkway), etc.
Kentucky ( . . . oh, wait. :evilgrin:
I-270 in North St. Louis County. Some of the locals refer it as "the Valley of Death" due to high accident rate (that MoDOT wants to fix), functionally obsolete interchanges, westbound exits dumping you onto a road that was once US 66, and the rolling hills that go from river to I-70. The truck traffic percentage is no less than 20% for that entire mainline, and it has a very poor safety rating for both the mainline and interchanges, and portions of it functions at LOS F during peak periods. Just for good measure this section has seen two different videos go viral on youtube, one involving a cop arresting a firefighter just doing a job, and another with a stunt rider doing an infamous facebook post.
The Borman Expressway (I-80/94) is starting to get a bad rep. Bad luck with construction (the about-to-be-replaced Martin Luther King Bridge along with strike-related delays) and nature (the infamous flood of 2008, which they have since addressed) aside, the worst came within the last few days.
Two nasty accidents - one fatal - took place in as many weeks; the first accident happened westbound between Indiana 51 and I-65, and the second happened eastbound near the Cline Avenue exit 10 days later. Both accidents required medical helicopters to enter to scene to relocate the injured, causing massive delays and full-blown shutdowns. Worse, both investigations reveal that alcohol was a factor. Besides that, I hear many complaints about the numerous amount of reckless drivers who fly by at high speeds in the recently-expanded corridor, and I see that myself.
It just goes to show: highways can improve, but it amounts to nothing when the drivers can't.
No mention of I-90 in Cleveland? If I remember correctly, it's known as "Dead Man's Curve" and has a 35 MPH speed limit on it.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on June 25, 2012, 01:04:52 AM
No mention of I-90 in Cleveland? If I remember correctly, it's known as "Dead Man's Curve" and has a 35 MPH speed limit on it.
It's not
THAT bad...Besides, for most PM rush hours, I-90 WB is backed up before DMC, so crawling around the curve makes it a moot point.
More often than not, there is not a week goes by without at least
ONE semi driver in each direction that goes too fast and winds up jackknifed and/or on its side wreaking havoc. :no:
Quote from: thenetwork on June 27, 2012, 12:12:42 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on June 25, 2012, 01:04:52 AM
No mention of I-90 in Cleveland? If I remember correctly, it's known as "Dead Man's Curve" and has a 35 MPH speed limit on it.
It's not THAT bad...Besides, for most PM rush hours, I-90 WB is backed up before DMC, so crawling around the curve makes it a moot point.
More often than not, there is not a week goes by without at least ONE semi driver in each direction that goes too fast and winds up jackknifed and/or on its side wreaking havoc. :no:
Wow, truck crashss happen that often at DMC? I havent been up there in awhile but IIRC there is plenty of signage, flashing lights(?) and rumble strips(?)
I retired from truck driving in 2009 after 20 yrs and the quality of truck drivers in the last ten years has
seriously declined.
20 yrs ago I trusted truck drivers to drive safely and was wary of cars, 10 yrs ago I'm wary of both (sad sad).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yungas_Road
https://maps.google.com/?ll=-16.236926,-67.802467&spn=0.107294,0.141106&t=m&z=13