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Title: Underground grade separations
Post by: roadman65 on February 18, 2012, 05:02:53 PM
List some grade separations between two roadways that happens underground.

South Street underpass and Brooklyn- Battery Tunnel intersect under Battery Park in NYC.

Any more like this?
Title: Re: Underground grade separations
Post by: pianocello on February 18, 2012, 07:18:42 PM
Almost all of the interchanges along I-93 in downtown Boston
Title: Re: Underground grade separations
Post by: Duke87 on February 18, 2012, 08:07:28 PM
Does A-720 in Montreal have any?

If we allow road/rail examples, the Holland Tunnel tubes and the PATH tunnels to Hoboken cross each other. As will the Lincoln Tunnel and the extension of the IRT #7 train when it opens.
Title: Re: Underground grade separations
Post by: NE2 on February 18, 2012, 08:22:58 PM
Lower Wacker and Lowest Wackest
Title: Re: Underground grade separations
Post by: 1995hoo on February 18, 2012, 09:25:18 PM
Near the Hilton Stockholm one of the highways enters a tunnel and has an exit that passes in its own separate tunnel underneath the main one in sort of a U-shaped ramp.
Title: Re: Underground grade separations
Post by: Alps on February 18, 2012, 10:59:14 PM
Somewhere in the bowels of the Lincoln Tunnel Expressway, there are ramps over ramps under streets. Though mostly not tunneled, it's all below grade. In Philly, US 1/Roosevelt Expwy. ducks under the Broad St. subway - although US 1 is daylit, the subway remains in a tunnel.
Title: Re: Underground grade separations
Post by: empirestate on February 19, 2012, 01:01:56 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 18, 2012, 05:02:53 PM
List some grade separations between two roadways that happens underground.

South Street underpass and Brooklyn- Battery Tunnel intersect under Battery Park in NYC.

Any more like this?

By which I assume you mean they *don't* intersect (which is true), hence the topic?

Better not get rail lines involved, or you'll have to spend hours on all of the flying junctions on the NYC subway!

As for multi-level underground road tunnels, I've noticed quite a few while browsing around the major Australian cities.

Are there any cases where there is an underground grade separation, but not in separate tunnels? i.e., you can see the one road from the other as you cross over/under, but they're both still in an underground space?
Title: Re: Underground grade separations
Post by: NE2 on February 19, 2012, 01:10:54 AM
Quote from: empirestate on February 19, 2012, 01:01:56 AM
Are there any cases where there is an underground grade separation, but not in separate tunnels? i.e., you can see the one road from the other as you cross over/under, but they're both still in an underground space?
Not roads, but http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/stations?6:85
Title: Re: Underground grade separations
Post by: mgk920 on February 19, 2012, 01:21:29 AM
The NB to WB and EB to NB ramps at the rebuilt Mitchell interchange (I-43/94/894) in Milwaukee cross underground.

Mike
Title: Re: Underground grade separations
Post by: Dr Frankenstein on February 19, 2012, 01:12:59 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on February 18, 2012, 08:07:28 PMDoes A-720 in Montreal have any?

One, for University St/Bonaventure Expy/A-10 (Exit 5).
Title: Re: Underground grade separations
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 19, 2012, 02:47:44 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 18, 2012, 09:25:18 PM
Near the Hilton Stockholm one of the highways enters a tunnel and has an exit that passes in its own separate tunnel underneath the main one in sort of a U-shaped ramp.

Speaking of Stockholm, Sweden, there's Highway 75, the Southern Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%B6dra_l%C3%A4nken) (Södra länken in Swedish), a motorway which is mostly below-grade (including ramps to intersecting surface roads).
Title: Re: Underground grade separations
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 20, 2012, 05:02:48 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on February 19, 2012, 01:21:29 AM
The NB to WB and EB to NB ramps at the rebuilt Mitchell interchange (I-43/94/894) in Milwaukee cross underground.
But the tunnels are not directly on top of one another, so I don't think that counts.
Title: Re: Underground grade separations
Post by: vtk on February 20, 2012, 05:39:30 PM
How about underground at-grade intersections?
Title: Re: Underground grade separations
Post by: Duke87 on February 20, 2012, 05:46:48 PM
Quote from: empirestate on February 19, 2012, 01:01:56 AM
Better not get rail lines involved, or you'll have to spend hours on all of the flying junctions on the NYC subway!

It's much easier to list the junctions which are not:

- where the 2 and 3 trains meet on Lenox Ave just south of 145th St (underground)
- where the M and J/Z trains meet at Myrtle Ave and Broadway (elevated)

Every other place in the system where two tracks in regular service cross, they are grade separated.
Title: Re: Underground grade separations
Post by: Bickendan on February 20, 2012, 08:26:13 PM
^What about the A line split in Queens?
Title: Re: Underground grade separations
Post by: NE2 on February 20, 2012, 10:20:33 PM
Quote from: vtk on February 20, 2012, 05:39:30 PM
How about underground at-grade intersections?
Chicago.
Title: Re: Underground grade separations
Post by: agentsteel53 on February 21, 2012, 12:11:29 AM
Quote from: NE2 on February 20, 2012, 10:20:33 PM
Quote from: vtk on February 20, 2012, 05:39:30 PM
How about underground at-grade intersections?
Chicago.

where?  that would be an interesting drive.  clearly I have not scoured Chicago sufficiently, as I have never found one of these.
Title: Re: Underground grade separations
Post by: empirestate on February 21, 2012, 12:39:14 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chicago_top_down_view.png
Title: Re: Underground grade separations
Post by: agentsteel53 on February 21, 2012, 11:00:23 AM
Quote from: empirestate on February 21, 2012, 12:39:14 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chicago_top_down_view.png

neato!  I'd never stumbled across that!