Does AASHTO have an archive of past route changes? I'm looking for information dating back to around 1979
Quote from: US71 on February 22, 2012, 06:28:23 PM
Does AASHTO have an archive of past route changes? I'm looking for information dating back to around 1979
Seems to me I have seen U.S. route decisions dating back to about 1986 on their web site.
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on February 22, 2012, 06:29:51 PM
Quote from: US71 on February 22, 2012, 06:28:23 PM
Does AASHTO have an archive of past route changes? I'm looking for information dating back to around 1979
Seems to me I have seen U.S. route decisions dating back to about 1986 on their web site.
I looked around, but couldn't find anything.
This page from the Special Committee on Route Numbering (http://www.transportation.org/Default.aspx?siteid=68&pageid=1540) goes back to 1989.
Quote from: US71 on February 22, 2012, 09:16:03 PM
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on February 22, 2012, 06:29:51 PM
Quote from: US71 on February 22, 2012, 06:28:23 PM
Does AASHTO have an archive of past route changes? I'm looking for information dating back to around 1979
Seems to me I have seen U.S. route decisions dating back to about 1986 on their web site.
I looked around, but couldn't find anything.
Quote from: Grzrd on February 22, 2012, 09:24:59 PM
This page from the Special Committee on Route Numbering (http://www.transportation.org/Default.aspx?siteid=68&pageid=1540) goes back to 1989.
Also, for pre-1989 stuff, try emailing Bob Cullen, the Information Resource Manager, at BobC@aashto.org. He was incredibly helpful to me when I was recently looking for info on I-69 designations; he eventually got some folks at FHWA involved in the search.
If you're serious about this, talk to Rob Droz of us-highways.com. He seems to have visited the physical archives.
Quote from: NE2 on February 22, 2012, 11:35:25 PM
If you're serious about this, talk to Rob Droz of us-highways.com. He seems to have visited the physical archives.
I may do that. I'm having a disagreement with one the "experts" about US 66 between Springfield & Joplin, MO.
That "expert" is flat out wrong. US 66 did indeed follow current MO 66 east from US 71B to I-44.
I can't see what this 'expert' says, but does this help?
http://ims.er.usgs.gov/gda_services/download?item_id=5578494&quad=Joplin%20East&state=MO&grid=7.5X7.5&series=Map%20GeoPDF (1963)
http://ims.er.usgs.gov/gda_services/download?item_id=5575454&quad=Joplin&state=MO&grid=30X60&series=Map%20GeoPDF (1986)
As well as this: http://www.modot.org/newsandinfo/publications/documents/1985_1986_back.pdf
Quote from: NE2 on February 25, 2012, 04:37:13 AM
I can't see what this 'expert' says, but does this help?
http://ims.er.usgs.gov/gda_services/download?item_id=5578494&quad=Joplin%20East&state=MO&grid=7.5X7.5&series=Map%20GeoPDF (1963)
http://ims.er.usgs.gov/gda_services/download?item_id=5575454&quad=Joplin&state=MO&grid=30X60&series=Map%20GeoPDF (1986)
As well as this: http://www.modot.org/newsandinfo/publications/documents/1985_1986_back.pdf
Sadly, no. He insists US 66's final alignment was what is now MO 96 west of Halltown to Carthage, then Bus 71 to 7th St in Joplin (current MO 66)
Even though I have shown him maps showing US 66 along 7th St all the way to I-44, he insists it never was US 66, but MO 166 before it became MO 66. He insists that even though the maps show it as US 66 for at least 5 years, it's an error.
Perhaps it was never signed as US 66, only as I-44 Biz. But Route 166? Doesn't Missouri avoid number duplication? (Especially with US 166 right there along I-44...)
Quote from: NE2 on February 25, 2012, 10:39:32 AM
Perhaps it was never signed as US 66, only as I-44 Biz. But Route 166? Doesn't Missouri avoid number duplication? (Especially with US 166 right there along I-44...)
I'm trying to verify that it was US 66. I remember seeing signs, but I have no physical evidence beyond maps.
I think he has MO 166 confused with US 166, which once ran all the way to Springfield, MO.
But because he owns a Route 66 business, he assumes he's the "expert" and everyone else is wrong.
Have you tried writing MoDOT? If you don't need original documentation they might be able to assist you. I sent them a query via their web form about MO 13 when I lived in Springfield called me back on the telephone (it may have even been a MoDOT historian) and asked me what about MO 13 I was interested in, and one of their guys emailed me a few paragraphs about it. They also sent some internal maps which showed every MoDOT project ever conducted on the Greene County portion of the route, but it was hard to understand. They seemed very helpful, if a bit surprised that a college student would be interested in highway history.
Quote from: Grzrd on February 22, 2012, 09:24:59 PM
This page from the Special Committee on Route Numbering (http://www.transportation.org/Default.aspx?siteid=68&pageid=1540) goes back to 1989.
I've look at that before. One of the proposals approved in 1989 was extending US 280 along the Red Mountain Expressway to its current terminus at I-20/59.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 25, 2012, 11:13:30 AM
Have you tried writing MoDOT? If you don't need original documentation they might be able to assist you. I sent them a query via their web form about MO 13 when I lived in Springfield called me back on the telephone (it may have even been a MoDOT historian) and asked me what about MO 13 I was interested in, and one of their guys emailed me a few paragraphs about it. They also sent some internal maps which showed every MoDOT project ever conducted on the Greene County portion of the route, but it was hard to understand. They seemed very helpful, if a bit surprised that a college student would be interested in highway history.
Last time I wrote MoDOT they acted like they had Rectal-Cranial Inversion.
US 66 ran down 96 to carthage then took a number of streets to get over to 7th in Joplin...however at the last it did run down 7th from I-44 Exit 15 all the way to the state line, which used to be US 166