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After posting some photos from today at https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=6302.0 -

I remember reading at CAHighways that Route 195 was to be decommissioned once the Route 86S expressway was finished.  Yet, off of 86S, is this:

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Does this mean that 195 will continue to be signed (status quo) for the immediate future?  Also, I wonder when/if 86 will be moved off of old US 99 between Indio and Thermal and onto the 86S expressway, I had also thought that was the original plan.

that might be the only 195 shield.  I had remembered maybe two surviving paddles as of 2007.

I think it is a fluke, like the 114 signing on 101 in the bay area.

And the VA 305 shields in Virginia Beach, which haven't been accurate since 1960.

Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 09, 2012, 11:02:08 PM
that might be the only 195 shield.  I had remembered maybe two surviving paddles as of 2007.

I think it is a fluke, like the 114 signing on 101 in the bay area.

Hmm.  Normally I'd agree, but the recent expansion (over a 10 year period) of Route 262 signage intrigues me - that went from being a completely unsigned route to mentioned off of 680's ramps ca. 2001 or so, then now prominently noted on the 680 toll/carpool lanes.

I also recall Route 77 got some signage recently too.

CA-42 is still pretty well signed despite it being deleted long ago.

Here's another example of a route prominently mentioned on newer signage that I thought had been decommissioned entirely: Route 91 west of I-110.

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DSC_5969 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/csampang/6975481741/) by csampang (http://www.flickr.com/people/csampang/), on Flickr

The left-hand exit from I-5 to Firestone Blvd. was posted as 42 when I went by there in 2010. I figured that was a remnant sign, but is it still signed elsewhere?

Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on March 12, 2012, 10:46:47 PM
The left-hand exit from I-5 to Firestone Blvd. was posted as 42 when I went by there in 2010. I figured that was a remnant sign, but is it still signed elsewhere?

Hmm.

405 north at Manchester in Inglewood:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Manchester+Ave,+Inglewood,+CA&hl=en&ll=33.957884,-118.369017&spn=0.010465,0.013797&sll=38.549791,-121.393726&sspn=0.009867,0.013797&hnear=W+Manchester+Ave,+Inglewood,+Los+Angeles,+California&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=33.957943,-118.368993&panoid=nmrQPGHjqvHDtpQBfTLTww&cbp=12,9.34,,1,-7.07

Not on the southbound side though:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Manchester+Ave,+Inglewood,+CA&hl=en&ll=33.968545,-118.372471&spn=0.010535,0.013797&sll=38.549791,-121.393726&sspn=0.009867,0.013797&hnear=W+Manchester+Ave,+Inglewood,+Los+Angeles,+California&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=33.968431,-118.372373&panoid=MlrKWUlRi_D_3to8Ax9B8g&cbp=12,158.09,,1,-12.67

Route 42 shield removed off of 110 in both directions:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Manchester+Ave,+Inglewood,+CA&hl=en&ll=33.956469,-118.280568&spn=0.005268,0.006899&sll=38.549791,-121.393726&sspn=0.009867,0.013797&hnear=W+Manchester+Ave,+Inglewood,+Los+Angeles,+California&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=33.956608,-118.280688&panoid=m9_RlqJYe_laxUv_ES3Rlg&cbp=12,21.31,,2,-5.25

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Manchester+Ave,+Inglewood,+CA&hl=en&ll=33.963311,-118.281077&spn=0.005268,0.006899&sll=38.549791,-121.393726&sspn=0.009867,0.013797&hnear=W+Manchester+Ave,+Inglewood,+Los+Angeles,+California&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=33.963311,-118.281077&panoid=VrH3OkoFmB_O9iSSapnLUA&cbp=12,186.4,,2,-7

Shield covered up on 710 north:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Manchester+Ave,+Inglewood,+CA&hl=en&ll=33.945549,-118.170555&spn=0.010538,0.013797&sll=38.549791,-121.393726&sspn=0.009867,0.013797&hnear=W+Manchester+Ave,+Inglewood,+Los+Angeles,+California&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=33.945742,-118.170537&panoid=Q-5nXfd_1RFrhPqgFfSCuw&cbp=12,38.56,,1,-6.16

No shield from 710 south (looks to be an early-90s replacement sign) -
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Manchester+Ave,+Inglewood,+CA&hl=en&ll=33.954307,-118.170726&spn=0.010537,0.013797&sll=38.549791,-121.393726&sspn=0.009867,0.013797&hnear=W+Manchester+Ave,+Inglewood,+Los+Angeles,+California&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=33.954451,-118.170729&panoid=MeDToF120-WShSPGFMRj1g&cbp=12,188.54,,1,-5.6

Route 42 not on the signs off of 605 though they seem to date back to 1992 when 105 was built here (the replacement route for 42) -

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Manchester+Ave,+Inglewood,+CA&hl=en&ll=33.92764,-118.103489&spn=0.002635,0.003449&sll=38.549791,-121.393726&sspn=0.009867,0.013797&hnear=W+Manchester+Ave,+Inglewood,+Los+Angeles,+California&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=33.927825,-118.103417&panoid=kFiHdwVPuDOMoEH6RQvkJg&cbp=12,240.82,,2,-7.03

Shield removed on the northbound 605 sign:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Manchester+Ave,+Inglewood,+CA&hl=en&ll=33.912492,-118.104801&spn=0.002636,0.003449&sll=38.549791,-121.393726&sspn=0.009867,0.013797&hnear=W+Manchester+Ave,+Inglewood,+Los+Angeles,+California&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=33.912492,-118.104801&panoid=nVuq8Awtu7km4Q6yxU0vbQ&cbp=12,14.22,,2,-4.13

TheStranger seems to have covered it pretty well.  there is also one surface-level JCT 42 assembly left: San Pedro Rd. southbound at Manchester Blvd (CA-42).

go ahead and steal the sign; it's not in very good condition.

Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 13, 2012, 10:21:02 AM
go ahead and steal the sign; it's not in very good condition.

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I'd rather someone steals it and keeps it, than the highway department melts it down and turns it into a guardrail.

Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 13, 2012, 11:56:58 AM
I'd rather someone steals it and keeps it, than the highway department melts it down and turns it into a guardrail.

Good point :-)

Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 13, 2012, 11:56:58 AM
I'd rather someone steals it and keeps it, than the highway department melts it down and turns it into a guardrail.

"What are you in for? Murder?"
"Stealing a 42."

Quote from: Quillz on March 13, 2012, 02:56:49 PM

Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 13, 2012, 11:56:58 AM
I'd rather someone steals it and keeps it, than the highway department melts it down and turns it into a guardrail.

"What are you in for? Murder?"
"Stealing a 42."

"man, that was the last 42.  bend over."

legal disclaimer: prison sex is bad, mmkay?

Quote from: TheStranger on March 09, 2012, 10:43:23 PM
After posting some photos from today at https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=6302.0 -

I remember reading at CAHighways that Route 195 was to be decommissioned once the Route 86S expressway was finished.  Yet, off of 86S, is this:

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Does this mean that 195 will continue to be signed (status quo) for the immediate future?  Also, I wonder when/if 86 will be moved off of old US 99 between Indio and Thermal and onto the 86S expressway, I had also thought that was the original plan.

Route 86S is going to be renumbered to Route 86.  The old highway has been relinquished, and Caltrans District 8 has ordered the new signs reflecting the changes.  Some internal documentation and public outreach needs to be completed but the changes will be happening out there soon.  I heard this directly from a colleague in District 8 when I was visiting there yesterday.

Joe
(Please note that I work for Caltrans but do not directly speak for them in this forum)

Quote from: jrouse on March 15, 2012, 10:52:08 AM

Route 86S is going to be renumbered to Route 86.  The old highway has been relinquished, and Caltrans District 8 has ordered the new signs reflecting the changes.  Some internal documentation and public outreach needs to be completed but the changes will be happening out there soon.  I heard this directly from a colleague in District 8 when I was visiting there yesterday.

Thanks for the update!  Does this mean 195 will be gone soon as well?

I find the newer 91 signage at 405 much more baffling - I don't think 91 has been signed west of 110 for years, yet the signs put up look to be less than 3-4 years old (after the relinquishment was made final!).

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And for posterity's sake, here's the current 86/86S junction as of last week, which looks to be a vestige of the past soon enough:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/csampang/6968365693/in/set-72157629185945410/