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"Oil giant BP will begin pulling out of Southern California next month as it steps up efforts to sell its sprawling Carson refinery and local Arco gasoline operations and lets leases expire on franchised Arco stations.
"BP has told about 100 station operators that have Arco franchises in the Southland that its leases on the sites will begin expiring in April. The property owner, Thrifty Oil Co. of Santa Fe Springs, has contracted with Texas refiner Tesoro Corp. to operate those sites.
As a result, the familiar red, white and blue Arco signs at those 100 stations will be replaced over the next two years by those of Tesoro's USA Gasoline brand." (more)
Not a big deal for me, since this brand does not appear elsewhere in the southwest except close in to California, and virtually all the stations in my area accept credit cards without any hassle. When I've traveled to California in the past couple of years, I have found that Arco stations won't accept my particular major bank debit card. The name Arco dates back to before I began driving, when the Richfield Oil Company of California merged with east coast Atlantic Refining to form Atlantic Richfield (Arco). They later became one of the first major gasoline marketers to offer cut-rate gasoline by not accepting credit cards.
Just another chapter in the evolution of American gasoline brand names.
You should be happy: Tesoro has a totally awesome logo.
I've only seen one, but have filled up at it many times: in the teeny town of Waverly, MN, where my grandparents-in-law lived until just very recently. I wondered if it was some local Minnesota/Wisconsin chain of gas stations, then was quite surprised to find out it was a huge company based in San Antonio :-/ .
good. fuck Arco. shitty gas, shitty payment options.
I like the Tesoro Alaska logo. The only place I have seen it is, indeed, in Alaska.
I won't miss Arco because of their debit card policy either.
Here in the Northeast, the red-white-and-black (red and white with black lettering) Atlantic signs changed to blue ARCO signs in the 70s when the aforementioned Atlantic-to-ARCO conversion took place. In the late 80s, ARCO resurrected the Atlantic brand when they rebranded all the ARCO stations in the region as Atlantic stations. (With blue Atlantic signs completely different from the old ones–I was disappointed.) Sometime in the late 90s, the Atlantic brand disappeared once again when ARCO sold all its Atlantic stations in the region to Sunoco.
So there has not been an ARCO presence in this region since sometime before 2000.
When ARCO resurrected the Atlantic brand, it created colocated convenience stores it call A+Plus mini-markets. Oddly, when Sunoco acquired the Atlantic stations, it never renamed the convenience stores. The name remains the same today. None of the original Sunoco stations had convenience stores, only repair shops. None of the Atlantic stations had repair shops, only convenience stores. So one can still ID which of the Sunoco stations were originally Atlantic stations by the presence of the orphaned A+Plus mini-markets. (I say "orphaned," but they are indeed owned and supported by Sunoco.)
I wonder if NorCal will end up being the last region with a strong Arco presence - though they did pull their sponsorship of what had been Arco Arena (now Power Balance Pavilion) in Sacramento last year.
Well, their gas was crummy, so I won't be missing them.
Quote from: rschen7754 on March 18, 2012, 09:13:12 PM
Well, their gas was crummy, so I won't be missing them.
Which is funny because it comes from the same refineries as any other gasoline.
Gas is gas.
Quote from: TheStranger on March 18, 2012, 08:38:10 PM
I wonder if NorCal will end up being the last region with a strong Arco presence - though they did pull their sponsorship of what had been Arco Arena (now Power Balance Pavilion) in Sacramento last year.
Not sure if the Arco pulling out of Southern California also means they'll be pulling out of Las Vegas. Arco has a fairly strong presence in both Las Vegas and Reno/Carson City metro areas.
I didn't mind the 45-cent transaction fee on my debit card before, as the savings over other competitors made up for that. (I'm not picky about my gas...I've got an older pickup that I'm not too picky about.) However, since my bank started charging a monthly fee when using a debit card, I haven't gone to Arco as much--although that bank fee is no longer charged...
Quote from: Brandon on March 18, 2012, 10:22:34 PM
Quote from: rschen7754 on March 18, 2012, 09:13:12 PM
Well, their gas was crummy, so I won't be missing them.
Which is funny because it comes from the same refineries as any other gasoline.
Gas is gas.
Yep. Gas is gas. Unless they're watering it down. I've also heard to avoid filling up right after the tanks have been filled, as sediment will have been unsettled and floating around for a bit. Don't know if that's true, though. The main thing to check is the octane rating and additives, not the brand name sticker on the sign. And, frankly, I still fill up with the ethanol-added gas in Iowa just because it's cheaper than regular, even though I suspect it's actually worse for my car's performance (I do not drive a 'performance car', BTW).
I've historically gotten 2-3mpg poorer performance with the ethanol-added gas, and that tends to negate the price advantage.
plus, if I own the car, I wonder how much more wear and tear it is causing.
I've sure got no problem filling up a rental car with it before returning it to the airport, though!
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 19, 2012, 11:22:46 AM
I've historically gotten 2-3mpg poorer performance with the ethanol-added gas, and that tends to negate the price advantage.
plus, if I own the car, I wonder how much more wear and tear it is causing.
I noticed that as well with my older car, but I think most modern machinery handles it better thanks to computers that fine tune the air-fuel ratio better than before. Hadn't heard too much complaints from owners with late-model cars (if they were using the recommended octane rating) compared to those with cars about 10+ years old.
Basically, it's all the same fuel, it's all in the additives. I have heard of plenty of bad-gas stories, and occasionally, sometimes one grade of fuel just doesn't jive with a particular type of engine, for some essentially inexplicable reason. Usually the folks who hammer their performance cars tend to notice the little differences.
I think there's few instances where the increased amount of ethanol can seriously be traced to any litany of mechanical issues...but we'll have to wait and see. I would surmise the automakers would have been much more against the switch had there been some very obvious detriment to the longevity of the engine or exhaust.
good point on the newer cars with better fuel-air ratio calculators. the car in which I noticed the poorer gas mileage was a '99 Civic.
I've had some difficulties with putting Shell in my '02 Jetta Wagon, actually. But I've had no issues elsewhere. I usually fill up at Costco nowadays, though when there's not a Costco around, I tend to hit up Chevrons or 76s out of habit.
I think I've been to an Arco station once, and that was mainly as I had gotten a gas card out of some Safeway deal. I had no problems with their gas.
And FYI, the brand that the Southern Cal Arcos are getting turned into is USA, which is a brand Tesoro bought out a few years ago and has retained (and sadly, doesn't have as cool of a logo). We recently started getting USA stations in Oregon (the Albertsons' stations have been getting converted over).
Oh, and I hate ethanol. Of course, nothing really decreases your fuel mileage like having a cello in the back of your car. I lose about 5mpg with it back there.
Quote from: Tarkus on March 19, 2012, 03:45:06 PMOf course, nothing really decreases your fuel mileage like having a cello in the back of your car. I lose about 5mpg with it back there.
is your car a convertible? or, does your cello weigh 600 pounds?
I tend to drive around with 3-500 pounds of signs sometimes, and the mpg difference is barely perceptible. 2-3mpg, which is just barely differentiable from ordinary variation.
I've hauled around a 40-lb contrabass clarinet (clarinet itself was 17 lbs, the case 23; wooden frame case, metal clarinet) and a 30-lb contra alto clarinet (15 lb clarinet, ABS, 15 lb case) in my dad's old Ford Explorer and it didn't affect the mileage too much if at all. Can't see a cello (or a contrabass) affecting things too much.
recall, a person, with accessories, is about 150-200 pounds.
driving with different quantities of people will affect your mileage, but not generally noticeably.
I've never noticed much difference between mid grade (89) and premium (93) in my '91 Prelude, but I have seen differences, albeit minor, when filling at a place like Sheetz vs. BP or Shell. On my '95 I use premium exclusively (the manual says to, even before the JDM engine swap) and almost always go to Shell.
In our minivan, the mileage fluctuates quite a bit. The two main causes of lower economy are (1) revving the engine higher during acceleration and (2) colder weather. When I decided to keep my eye on the tach needle, and not let it get over 2200 RPMs even while accelerating onto the highway, I saw a big jump in mileage. On the open road, it still fluctuates some, depending on who does most of the driving, wind, etc. On our trip from Minnesota to Wichita just after Christmas, we had the following in our van:
a deep freeze,
a wooden TV stand,
a pack-and-play,
luggage for a family of four,
toys,
a guitar,
Christmas presents,
pillows and blankets,
miscellaneous c.r.a.p.,
plus the four of us.
It was, in fact, the only time I've used a ratchet strap to secure cargo inside a car. Our fuel economy was not affected by more than 1 or 2 MPG, if that.
The best fuel economy I've ever gotten was with our van fully loaded, going from Parras (Coahuila) to somewhere north of Laredo (TX). I attribute the excellend mileage to an overall decrease in elevation combined with a lower-than-typical top cruising speed–not because Pemex fuel is so much more amazing than anything else. In fact, I think I read a rumor that Pemex gets some of its gas from ARCO....but I seem to be unable to even Google that now.
(MOD NOTE: Ensuing discussion about crossing Mexico border split into its own topic, located here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=6365.msg139617#msg139617). –Roadfro)
Back to ARCO.... You're right, the USA Gasoline logo is decidedly less super-cool-awesome than the Tesoro logo.
Quote from: kphoger on March 19, 2012, 10:36:24 AM
Quote from: Brandon on March 18, 2012, 10:22:34 PM
Quote from: rschen7754 on March 18, 2012, 09:13:12 PM
Well, their gas was crummy, so I won't be missing them.
Which is funny because it comes from the same refineries as any other gasoline.
Gas is gas.
Yep. Gas is gas. Unless they're watering it down. I've also heard to avoid filling up right after the tanks have been filled, as sediment will have been unsettled and floating around for a bit. Don't know if that's true, though. The main thing to check is the octane rating and additives, not the brand name sticker on the sign. And, frankly, I still fill up with the ethanol-added gas in Iowa just because it's cheaper than regular, even though I suspect it's actually worse for my car's performance (I do not drive a 'performance car', BTW).
Well, gasohol is not worse for your car's performance (it actually has more oxygenates in it due to the alcohol), it can be worse for some cars' mileage. As for watering it down, that only happens if the underground storage tank system is leaking somehow. The state's EPA leaking underground storage tank section needs to get involved.
Now, if you see a difference between gas stations, go to each one consistently for a time. Odds are, the one you think is giving worse mileage might have a problem with the counter on the pump (or someone tampered with it). That's an issue for the state's weights and measures department.
Quote from: kphoger on March 19, 2012, 06:43:54 PM
miscellaneous c.r.a.p.,
Cello Restoratives And Polish? Or did you just mean "crap"?
Quote from: kphoger on March 20, 2012, 02:50:44 PM
So, anyway....... How 'bout them ARCOs?
Don't know, never been to one.
Quote from: kphoger on March 19, 2012, 10:36:24 AM
And, frankly, I still fill up with the ethanol-added gas in Iowa just because it's cheaper than regular, even though I suspect it's actually worse for my car's performance (I do not drive a 'performance car', BTW).
You aren't talking about the E-85 gas, are you? I'm surprised to hear that a regular, non flex fuel car can take that stuff without dying. If you're talking about regular gas with 10% ethanol, that's standard nationwide as far as I know. Around here the only places you can get ethanol-free gas are marinas because the boat engines can't take the ethanol without having serious mechanical problems.
Quote from: realjd on March 21, 2012, 03:04:18 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 19, 2012, 10:36:24 AM
And, frankly, I still fill up with the ethanol-added gas in Iowa just because it's cheaper than regular, even though I suspect it's actually worse for my car's performance (I do not drive a 'performance car', BTW).
You aren't talking about the E-85 gas, are you? I'm surprised to hear that a regular, non flex fuel car can take that stuff without dying. If you're talking about regular gas with 10% ethanol, that's standard nationwide as far as I know. Around here the only places you can get ethanol-free gas are marinas because the boat engines can't take the ethanol without having serious mechanical problems.
I'm not talking about E-85. Iowa only requires pump labels when more than 1% of the fuel is ethanol, so I'm pretty sure that, when Regular (no sticker) is $3.65 and Mid-grade (Ethanol sticker) is $3.53, filling up with Regular would not be putting 10% ethanol into your tank. I choose the Mid-grade because the price is cheaper, even if (and I say 'if', since I haven't verified I even do) I sacrifice an MPG or two.
Quote from: kphoger on March 21, 2012, 03:25:20 PM
I'm not talking about E-85. Iowa only requires pump labels when more than 1% of the fuel is ethanol, so I'm pretty sure that, when Regular (no sticker) is $3.65 and Mid-grade (Ethanol sticker) is $3.53, filling up with Regular would not be putting 10% ethanol into your tank. I choose the Mid-grade because the price is cheaper, even if (and I say 'if', since I haven't verified I even do) I sacrifice an MPG or two.
Interesting. Maybe it's just due to the large number of boats, but the few non-marina gas stations with ethanol-free gas here advertise the hell out of it. They wouldn't do it quietly like your stations in Iowa apparently do.
Was premium also cheaper? Midgrade is usually just a 50/50 mix of regular and premium. Stations don't usually keep a tank of midgrade gas.
I think I often see four grades in Iowa, though my memory is a bit fuzzy and I tend to fill up at the same handful of stations–even though I have family in Iowa, it's usually just a place to pass through on the way to my wife's family in Minnesota. So, the following may not be 100% correct, but....
87 octane is second-cheapest.
89 octane has 10% ethanol, and is cheapest.
?? octane is second-most expensive.
?? octane is most expensive.
When there are only three grades, mid-grade is only offered with ethanol, not without.
Here's a typical pump:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmeshlabs.net%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F07%2Fgasprices.jpg&hash=26d8d6924e1d1dac67b3e61224936ef99f76dd1b)
EDIT: That might not be the best example, as I seem to recall BP might put ehtanol in all of theirs. Whatever. :-P
Quote from: kphoger on March 22, 2012, 01:46:45 PM
I think I often see four grades in Iowa, though my memory is a bit fuzzy and I tend to fill up at the same handful of stations–even though I have family in Iowa, it's usually just a place to pass through on the way to my wife's family in Minnesota. So, the following may not be 100% correct, but....
87 octane is second-cheapest.
89 octane has 10% ethanol, and is cheapest.
?? octane is second-most expensive.
?? octane is most expensive.
When there are only three grades, mid-grade is only offered with ethanol, not without.
Here's a typical pump:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmeshlabs.net%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F07%2Fgasprices.jpg&hash=26d8d6924e1d1dac67b3e61224936ef99f76dd1b)
EDIT: That might not be the best example, as I seem to recall BP might put ehtanol in all of theirs. Whatever. :-P
I did a bit more research on the subject. While many gas stations do simply blend regular and premium at the pump like I thought, some (mostly older) stations do indeed have a tank of midgrade gas. Due to supply issues, midgrade was cheaper than regular in parts of the midwest last summer. That supply issue may have had something to do with ethanol, I don't know; I couldn't find specifics. I wish we had 100% gasoline still available here (without paying high markups) like they do in Iowa!
If you lose 2 mpg out of 30, over the course of let's say 840 miles you'd use 30 gallons instead of 28. So your price difference would have to be 28/30 to make it worth it, which the example above isn't (23/24.2). If it's 1.5 mpg out of 30, maybe you break even. I think you'd have to be an engine technician to figure it out.
Oh well about BP/Arco. In Burbank and Glendale CA a few of them have changed to United Oil. Price structure is basically the same only they don't wanna ding me 50 cents to use my debit card and it seems to be better gas.
Quote from: kphoger on March 22, 2012, 01:46:45 PM
Here's a typical pump:
[image of $2.29 gas]
I wanna know where that is typical!!
seriously, that is likely be a 5 or so year old image. I remember that pattern in Iowa and Nebraska as well... the "mid-grade", usually 89 octane, gas with ethanol was the cheapest.
it also gave me 4mpg worse. fuckers.
Quote from: kphoger on March 19, 2012, 10:36:24 AM
Quote from: Brandon on March 18, 2012, 10:22:34 PM
Quote from: rschen7754 on March 18, 2012, 09:13:12 PM
Well, their gas was crummy, so I won't be missing them.
Which is funny because it comes from the same refineries as any other gasoline.
Gas is gas.
Yep. Gas is gas. Unless they're watering it down. I've also heard to avoid filling up right after the tanks have been filled, as sediment will have been unsettled and floating around for a bit. Don't know if that's true, though. The main thing to check is the octane rating and additives, not the brand name sticker on the sign. And, frankly, I still fill up with the ethanol-added gas in Iowa just because it's cheaper than regular, even though I suspect it's actually worse for my car's performance (I do not drive a 'performance car', BTW).
Well, gas may be gas, but not all brands are created equal. Which is why people prefer one brand over another, mainly for affordability and optimal performance. Thus, some people prefer Shell, others prefer Mobil/Exxon, and a few more prefer BP, and so on. It's no different from Coke vs. Pepsi vs. Dr. Pepper, or Ford vs. Chevy vs. Toyota.
Quote from: Henry on April 10, 2012, 12:01:42 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 19, 2012, 10:36:24 AM
Quote from: Brandon on March 18, 2012, 10:22:34 PM
Quote from: rschen7754 on March 18, 2012, 09:13:12 PM
Well, their gas was crummy, so I won't be missing them.
Which is funny because it comes from the same refineries as any other gasoline.
Gas is gas.
Yep. Gas is gas. Unless they're watering it down. I've also heard to avoid filling up right after the tanks have been filled, as sediment will have been unsettled and floating around for a bit. Don't know if that's true, though. The main thing to check is the octane rating and additives, not the brand name sticker on the sign. And, frankly, I still fill up with the ethanol-added gas in Iowa just because it's cheaper than regular, even though I suspect it's actually worse for my car's performance (I do not drive a 'performance car', BTW).
Well, gas may be gas, but not all brands are created equal. Which is why people prefer one brand over another, mainly for affordability and optimal performance. Thus, some people prefer Shell, others prefer Mobil/Exxon, and a few more prefer BP, and so on. It's no different from Coke vs. Pepsi vs. Dr. Pepper, or Ford vs. Chevy vs. Toyota.
No, Chevrolet and Toyota make different cars. Pepsi and Dr Pepper are different drinks. But, other than additives, Shell and Arco don't make different gasoline.
Quote from: Henry on April 10, 2012, 12:01:42 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 19, 2012, 10:36:24 AM
Quote from: Brandon on March 18, 2012, 10:22:34 PM
Quote from: rschen7754 on March 18, 2012, 09:13:12 PM
Well, their gas was crummy, so I won't be missing them.
Which is funny because it comes from the same refineries as any other gasoline.
Gas is gas.
Yep. Gas is gas. Unless they're watering it down. I've also heard to avoid filling up right after the tanks have been filled, as sediment will have been unsettled and floating around for a bit. Don't know if that's true, though. The main thing to check is the octane rating and additives, not the brand name sticker on the sign. And, frankly, I still fill up with the ethanol-added gas in Iowa just because it's cheaper than regular, even though I suspect it's actually worse for my car's performance (I do not drive a 'performance car', BTW).
Well, gas may be gas, but not all brands are created equal. Which is why people prefer one brand over another, mainly for affordability and optimal performance. Thus, some people prefer Shell, others prefer Mobil/Exxon, and a few more prefer BP, and so on. It's no different from Coke vs. Pepsi vs. Dr. Pepper, or Ford vs. Chevy vs. Toyota.
Sorry, but that would be a valid comparison if gasoline were made different ways, or if Pepsi and Coke were made by the same factory, but it isn't. Gasoline is usually refined by one, maybe two refiners in an area, using the same methodology, and sold to many differing gas stations that all have different "brands". Drive past your local refinery and see the variety of trucks there to fill up and transport to the stations. Also, note the "brand" of the truck delivering gasoline to your favorite station. Odd are, it is from a transport company.
QuoteSorry, but that would be a valid comparison if gasoline were made different ways, or if Pepsi and Coke were made by the same factory, but it isn't. Gasoline is usually refined by one, maybe two refiners in an area, using the same methodology, and sold to many differing gas stations that all have different "brands". Drive past your local refinery and see the variety of trucks there to fill up and transport to the stations. Also, note the "brand" of the truck delivering gasoline to your favorite station. Odd are, it is from a transport company.
Thats exactly what I was thinking but you said it way better than I could have. They sure got people snowed when it comes to this don't they. :banghead: No wonder an oil company is the richest in the world, you sell it for $5 a gallon and say it'll make your car run slightly better than the $3 kind across the street and you got people sold.
Quote from: Henry on April 10, 2012, 12:01:42 PM
Well, gas may be gas, but not all brands are created equal. Which is why people prefer one brand over another, mainly for affordability and optimal performance. Thus, some people prefer Shell, others prefer Mobil/Exxon, and a few more prefer BP, and so on. It's no different from Coke vs. Pepsi vs. Dr. Pepper, or Ford vs. Chevy vs. Toyota.
When Shell puts a barrel of refined gasoline into one of the pipelines, they don't wait for it to appear on the other end. The get to claim one immediately. The result of that is that Shell gas is just as likely to be from a BP or a Chevron or an ExxonMobile refinery as it is a Shell refinery. The gas brand are all essentially interchangeable because they're selling the exact same product.
Working in oil and gas, I know the above is not true. Gasoline from the refinery is given proprietary additives to bring the final formulation up to Company spec.
Quote from: blawp on April 19, 2012, 02:23:11 PM
Working in oil and gas, I know the above is not true. Gasoline from the refinery is given proprietary additives to bring the final formulation up to Company spec.
At the terminal, right? The underlying gasoline is still the same brand-to-brand.
Quote from: blawp on April 19, 2012, 02:23:11 PM
Working in oil and gas, I know the above is not true. Gasoline from the refinery is given proprietary additives to bring the final formulation up to Company spec.
It's only given so-called additives to make a claim. Otherwise, the EPA mandated detergents are more than enough. Gas is still gas, and if your car only needs 87 octane, you use 87 octane. 89 or 91 will not do anything else for your car unless the manufacturer recommends it.
BTW, I work in the environmental end of the business.
Well, the less detergent in the gas, the higher the number of carbon deposits from incomplete combustion. I wouldn't say the EPA minimums are "more than enough" because car engines still accumulate deposits in the modern era.
Environmental side? I'm not sure what that entails. CEMs or what?
Quote from: blawp on April 20, 2012, 01:58:42 AM
Environmental side? I'm not sure what that entails. CEMs or what?
I clean up the messes. And yes, gas is gas at its core regardless of any silly additives. It's just mostly benzene, ethylbenzene, toulene, and xylenes with some naphthalene on the side. That's basically what you need to operate your car.
Carbon deposits aren't only taken care of detergents, but also by the oxygenates in the fuel. It's the oxygenates that make it burn cleaner, not the silly additives. I've rarely used a so-called major station and have had no loss in power, no loss in fuel economy, and no problems. It's all advertising.
Gasoline is mostly BTEX? No. It's mostly straight chain hydrocarbon with minimal aromatics. And the incomplete combustion is not cured by the detergents, rather the accumulated carbon deposits are. The incomplete combustion that causes the deposits can be a result of a number of issues, including gasoline impurities, poor airflow to the engine, bad fuel injectors, bad O2 sensors, mistimed engine, etc.
Also, why do you trash California so much? Haven't you seen the VMS signs that say "Don't Trash California?"
Quote from: blawp on April 20, 2012, 11:53:13 AM
Also, why do you trash California so much? Haven't you seen the VMS signs that say "Don't Trash California?"
it's either that or he drives drunk, kidnaps small children, or causes RVs to tip over from high winds. if he's gonna disobey a VMS, it may as well be that one.
Well if he's driving drunk I'm calling 911.
Quote from: blawp on April 20, 2012, 11:42:40 AM
Gasoline is mostly BTEX? No. It's mostly straight chain hydrocarbon with minimal aromatics. And the incomplete combustion is not cured by the detergents, rather the accumulated carbon deposits are. The incomplete combustion that causes the deposits can be a result of a number of issues, including gasoline impurities, poor airflow to the engine, bad fuel injectors, bad O2 sensors, mistimed engine, etc.
My only quibble with your explanation is that many of those alkanes are branched. BTEX is not a major component but it's dispositive of gasoline contamination in soil and groundwater. That's because these are more water soluble (especially benzene) than heavier hydrocarbons. Diesel has very little in the way of BTEX.
I did a double take the first couple of times I saw an Iowa gas pump. In Minnesota it's $, $$, $$$, all with ethanol. In Iowa it's $$, $(Ethanol) $$$. The other thing is some Iowa stations in the boondocks will not have premium gasoline. Premium is recomended for my vehicle for best performance, but they didn't have it in West Union, they had $$, $(no ethanaol)