US 202 is longer than the eastern US 2 (from which it branches).
NJ 124 is longer than NJ 24 (124 is old 24).
NY 481 is longer than I-481, although that's more of a continuation than a parent/child situation.
Basic rules: 1) consider the entire route, not just within the same state. 2) clear parent/child relationship. one must be a spur from the other as more than just coincidence, or an old alignment, etc. ideally, they share the same root number (that is not a pun). NJ 167 is a child of US 9 because it's an old alignment, for example. NJ 152 is not a child of NJ 52 because although numbered coincidentally, they are not related to each other.
US 278 is longer than US 78.
US 191 is longer than US 91
Really old example: I think that the original VA 251 (mid 1920s, when Virginia's 3-digit routes were spurs of 2-digit routes) was longer than VA 25 at one point.
US 421 is longer than US 21.
Only example in Indiana.
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 23, 2012, 07:39:32 AM
US 421 is longer than US 21.
Only example in Indiana.
I would guess SR 129 is longer than SR 29. Also, you could count the child routes of state roads that no longer even exist - for example SR 21 (SR 121), SR 34 (SR 134, 234, 334).
Most all 3 digit Indiana state roads are children of a 2 digit parent US or state road (or Interstate in interim situations). The main exception I can think of is SR 135 which is not a child of US 35.
OR 138 is longer than OR 38.
Quote from: mukade on March 23, 2012, 08:14:58 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 23, 2012, 07:39:32 AM
US 421 is longer than US 21.
Only example in Indiana.
I would guess SR 129 is longer than SR 29. Also, you could count the child routes of state roads that no longer even exist - for example SR 21 (SR 121), SR 34 (SR 134, 234, 334).
Most all 3 digit Indiana state roads are children of a 2 digit parent US or state road (or Interstate in interim situations). The main exception I can think of is SR 135 which is not a child of US 35.
Yeah, 129 is a bit longer than 29. They're so far apart I forgot to consider them.
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 23, 2012, 07:39:32 AM
US 421 is longer than US 21.
Only example in Indiana.
But was that the case:
1.) Before US 21 was truncated? (First at Charleston, WV; later at Wytheville, VA)
2.) Before US 421 was extended? (First into Virginia and Kentucky; later into Indiana)
(If I make the Joliet meet, I'm still trying to decide if I want to clinch US 421 in Indiana or US 52 in Indiana on my way home.)
Quote from: hbelkins on March 23, 2012, 11:07:53 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 23, 2012, 07:39:32 AM
US 421 is longer than US 21.
Only example in Indiana.
But was that the case:
1.) Before US 21 was truncated? (First at Charleston, WV; later at Wytheville, VA)
2.) Before US 421 was extended? (First into Virginia and Kentucky; later into Indiana)
It's been the case certainly since 21 was truncated. That also made 221 and 321 longer than their parent.
By default, all orphaned US routes (166, 266, 199, 138) are currently longer than their parent route :p
US 199 wins the battle since the mileage of US 99 is currently zero...LOL! That's the last of the US x99's these days.
Rick
I was wondering about some of the western 3dus routes like 395, 287, etc. Neither of those work.
QuoteI was wondering about some of the western 3dus routes like 395, 287, etc. Neither of those work.
I'm pretty sure US-730 is longer than US-30
Quote from: hbelkins on March 23, 2012, 11:07:53 AM
(If I make the Joliet meet, I'm still trying to decide if I want to clinch US 421 in Indiana or US 52 in Indiana on my way home.)
I must have not noticed. What Joliet meet? i'm only 10 miles from there.
This one: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5901.0
In northwestern Pennsylvania, PA 198 is slightly longer than PA 98.
I'm pretty sure that AZ 188 is longer than AZ 88.
QuoteI'm pretty sure that AZ 188 is longer than AZ 88.
Yes! And in fact 188 cannibalized a lot of 88- the stretch from the 88/188 junction to Miami used to be AZ 88
Quote from: corco on March 23, 2012, 07:31:16 PM
I'm pretty sure US-730 is longer than US-30
???
Quote from: Steve on March 23, 2012, 06:55:09 PM
I was wondering about some of the western 3dus routes like 395, 287, etc. Neither of those work.
For many, it may depend on whether we want to look at the routes
now, or when they were created. For example, the orphaned routes Takumi mentioned would I suppose technically qualify today, but when these routes were created, the parent route was much longer.
If we want to limit it to cases where both routes still exist, this would also apply to US 191. Today, US 191 stretches from Mexico to Canada, and is about ten times longer than US 91. However, in its heyday, US 91 was almost border-to-border, and according to usends.com, US 191 started out at only 125 miles from Idaho to Yellowstone.
Quote from: Kacie Jane on March 23, 2012, 10:57:28 PM
Quote from: corco on March 23, 2012, 07:31:16 PM
I'm pretty sure US-730 is longer than US-30
???
I'm pretty sure that was a joke.
Quote
Quote from: Steve on March 23, 2012, 06:55:09 PM
I was wondering about some of the western 3dus routes like 395, 287, etc. Neither of those work.
For many, it may depend on whether we want to look at the routes now, or when they were created. For example, the orphaned routes Takumi mentioned would I suppose technically qualify today, but when these routes were created, the parent route was much longer.
If we want to limit it to cases where both routes still exist, this would also apply to US 191. Today, US 191 stretches from Mexico to Canada, and is about ten times longer than US 91. However, in its heyday, US 91 was almost border-to-border, and according to usends.com, US 191 started out at only 125 miles from Idaho to Yellowstone.
US 491 is also longer than US 91, by about 20 miles. By the time 491 came into existence, 91 had already been truncated.
Quote from: Kacie Jane on March 23, 2012, 10:57:28 PM
Quote from: corco on March 23, 2012, 07:31:16 PM
I'm pretty sure US-730 is longer than US-30
???
Quote from: Steve on March 23, 2012, 06:55:09 PM
I was wondering about some of the western 3dus routes like 395, 287, etc. Neither of those work.
For many, it may depend on whether we want to look at the routes now, or when they were created. For example, the orphaned routes Takumi mentioned would I suppose technically qualify today, but when these routes were created, the parent route was much longer.
If we want to limit it to cases where both routes still exist, this would also apply to US 191. Today, US 191 stretches from Mexico to Canada, and is about ten times longer than US 91. However, in its heyday, US 91 was almost border-to-border, and according to usends.com, US 191 started out at only 125 miles from Idaho to Yellowstone.
And, 191 was almost completely redefined on its southern extent, especially south of Yellowstone, and doesn't intersect 91 any more. It kind of became 87-1/2 because virtually all of it is between 85 and 89.
Quote from: Takumi on March 23, 2012, 11:03:48 PM
US 491 is also longer than US 91, by about 20 miles. By the time 491 came into existence, 91 had already been truncated.
I'll agree that it fits according to the letter of the law, but functionally, I think you'd have to say that 191 is 491's parent, not 91, particularly given the second sentence of your post.
Quote from: Kacie Jane on March 24, 2012, 12:09:00 AM
Quote from: Takumi on March 23, 2012, 11:03:48 PM
US 491 is also longer than US 91, by about 20 miles. By the time 491 came into existence, 91 had already been truncated.
I'll agree that it fits according to the letter of the law, but functionally, I think you'd have to say that 191 is 491's parent, not 91, particularly given the second sentence of your post.
US 491's parent is really US 66, who are we kidding.
US 281 is longer than US 81.
Quote from: Kacie Jane on March 24, 2012, 12:09:00 AM
I'll agree that it fits according to the letter of the law, but functionally, I think you'd have to say that 191 is 491's parent, not 91, particularly given the second sentence of your post.
True, and I had almost added that to the post. Another route like that is US 701, which I consider a child of US 301 rather than US 1, although it is tangentially connected to 1 via 301 or 501.
Quote from: Takumi on March 24, 2012, 08:11:17 AM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on March 24, 2012, 12:09:00 AM
I'll agree that it fits according to the letter of the law, but functionally, I think you'd have to say that 191 is 491's parent, not 91, particularly given the second sentence of your post.
True, and I had almost added that to the post. Another route like that is US 701, which I consider a child of US 301 rather than US 1, although it is tangentially connected to 1 via 301 or 501.
So does that make 491 and 701 "grandchildren" routes?
I know this may raise contraversy, but US 202 is longer than the eastern segment of US 2 where it branches off from. We talked about it on another thread, but many consider both segments of US 2 as one whole route.
To not create it, I emphasized its longer than its eastern segment, but not longer than its national run.
Quote from: Steve on March 24, 2012, 12:59:03 AM
US 491's parent is really US 66, who are we kidding.
The problem with moving a couple of times and not unboxing everything is that you forget where you put stuff. Somewhere I have photos my brother took of "Old 666, New 491" signs from the Durango area not long after the change was made.
Quote from: hbelkins on March 24, 2012, 01:37:43 PM
The problem with moving a couple of times and not unboxing everything is that you forget where you put stuff. Somewhere I have photos my brother took of "Old 666, New 491" signs from the Durango area not long after the change was made.
I'm surprised there would be 666/491 signage in Durango, as neither route went through there. Do you mean Cortez instead?
These were from Monticello, UT:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi572.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fss166%2Fxonhulu%2FUS%2520Routes%2FUS491Monticello5-1.jpg%3Ft%3D1332650025&hash=5f790c777fbe73472354144121c8a9c384055bb9)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi572.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fss166%2Fxonhulu%2FUS%2520Routes%2FUS491Monticello8-1.jpg%3Ft%3D1332649902&hash=34ec0a2b89f964b0183297b0113e22cc5f43aa11)
Quote from: roadman65 on March 24, 2012, 12:19:15 PM
I know this may raise contraversy, but US 202 is longer than the eastern segment of US 2 where it branches off from. We talked about it on another thread, but many consider both segments of US 2 as one whole route.
To not create it, I emphasized its longer than its eastern segment, but not longer than its national run.
You didn't have to post this at all, as I had started the thread with it...
Quote from: xonhulu on March 24, 2012, 10:30:36 AM
Quote from: Takumi on March 24, 2012, 08:11:17 AM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on March 24, 2012, 12:09:00 AM
I'll agree that it fits according to the letter of the law, but functionally, I think you'd have to say that 191 is 491's parent, not 91, particularly given the second sentence of your post.
True, and I had almost added that to the post. Another route like that is US 701, which I consider a child of US 301 rather than US 1, although it is tangentially connected to 1 via 301 or 501.
So does that make 491 and 701 "grandchildren" routes?
Do we need a new grandchildren thread? I-990 and I-495 in NY are other examples. Then you have the x78s in Queens and Brooklyn. I-478 used to connect to I-78, so call that a child. That makes I-278 a grandchild, which makes I-678 a great-grandchild, which makes I-878 a great great grandchild!!
But I-878 is a renaming of part of I-78. We're getting close to grandfather paradox territory.
Quote from: Steve on March 25, 2012, 09:46:05 AM
Do we need a new grandchildren thread? I-990 and I-495 in NY are other examples. Then you have the x78s in Queens and Brooklyn. I-478 used to connect to I-78, so call that a child. That makes I-278 a grandchild, which makes I-678 a great-grandchild, which makes I-878 a great great grandchild!!
Seems to me that a couple years back, there was a thread on unusual relationships between highways. It was pretty funny; I should go back and re-read it for a good laugh.
Yeah, and it may actually have been the Utah signs that my brother photographed.
Notice the stencil marks in the 6's and 9's in those route markers.
What would US 412 be to US 12 then, a very distant relative???
Then US 400 would have to be an orphan cause he has no parent.
US 101 would be an imposter, assuming a two digit idenity for a three digit number.
Quote from: NE2 on March 25, 2012, 10:23:41 AM
But I-878 is a renaming of part of I-78. We're getting close to grandfather paradox territory.
Indeed. See the the relationship between Philip J. Fry and Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth in
Futurama as an example.
US 281 is longer than US 81.
CA-330 is now technically longer than CA-30, as the latter no longer exists. I also believe CA-371 is a longer remnant of the old CA-71, which today remains only as a short Pomona expressway.
I also always saw CA-1, rightly or wrongly, as sort of a child of US-101. Which is odd, it's one of the few instances I can think of where the 3-digit route is of more importance than a similar numbered and located 1/2-digit route.
Quote from: Quillz on March 26, 2012, 10:38:35 PM
CA-330 is now technically longer than CA-30, as the latter no longer exists. I also believe CA-371 is a longer remnant of the old CA-71, which today remains only as a short Pomona expressway.
The remaining Route 71 is 16 miles long, while 371 is 20 - so while 371 is longer, it's not a massive difference.
Quote from: Quillz on March 26, 2012, 10:38:35 PM
I also always saw CA-1, rightly or wrongly, as sort of a child of US-101. Which is odd, it's one of the few instances I can think of where the 3-digit route is of more importance than a similar numbered and located 1/2-digit route.
Probably more of a cousin than a child -- to build on the eariler "grandchildren" conversation. Definitely related, but not an offspring. :)
Quote from: corco on March 23, 2012, 07:31:16 PM
QuoteI was wondering about some of the western 3dus routes like 395, 287, etc. Neither of those work.
I'm pretty sure US-730 is longer than US-30
Probably only if you discount the US 30 mileage while it's overlapped on I-84.
Quote from: Mark68 on March 27, 2012, 04:24:36 AM
Probably only if you discount the US 30 mileage while it's overlapped on I-84.
Even only counting US 30's independent mileage in Oregon alone, it's still quite a bit longer than US 730. Nationally, not even close. I think the comment was a joke.
Quote from: xonhulu on March 27, 2012, 04:40:09 AM
Quote from: Mark68 on March 27, 2012, 04:24:36 AM
Probably only if you discount the US 30 mileage while it's overlapped on I-84.
Even only counting US 30's independent mileage in Oregon alone, it's still quite a bit longer than US 730. Nationally, not even close. I think the comment was a joke.
Yeah...I thought that after I posted it.
Resurrecting this old topic to post an example that was surprisingly not here before:
WA-231 is 75 miles, while its parent WA-23 is 66 miles. And WA-23 is mostly a diagonal route, so perhaps it should have been split between the spur and mainline.
I-238 :bigass:
The interesting thing about the previously mentioned US 81/281 is that even if you restore the truncated mileage on US 81, 281 was still longer.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on September 06, 2021, 07:59:55 PM
The interesting thing about the previously mentioned US 81/281 is that even if you restore the truncated mileage on US 81, 281 was still longer.
I can see it. McAllen is farther south than Laredo.
Technically, Future I-587 is longer than North Carolina's I-87, but I-587 hasn't been signed yet, and I-87 hasn't been completed to the Hampton Roads area. Count it if you want to.
Quote from: SkyPesos on September 06, 2021, 06:13:44 PM
I-238 :bigass:
They ran out of 3 digit routes for I-80, I think. Maybe should bring out 4 digits and be I-1180? :-D
Or, maybe should be another extension of I-76? :spin:
Quote from: jlam on September 06, 2021, 08:30:05 PM
Technically, Future I-587 is longer than North Carolina's I-87, but I-587 hasn't been signed yet, and I-87 hasn't been completed to the Hampton Roads area. Count it if you want to.
I-587 doesn't exist yet. I-87 exists for 13 miles.
This will change, however, once the portion of US-264 east of I-95 is designated.
Quote from: mukade on March 23, 2012, 08:14:58 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 23, 2012, 07:39:32 AM
US 421 is longer than US 21.
Only example in Indiana.
I would guess SR 129 is longer than SR 29. Also, you could count the child routes of state roads that no longer even exist - for example SR 21 (SR 121), SR 34 (SR 134, 234, 334).
Most all 3 digit Indiana state roads are children of a 2 digit parent US or state road (or Interstate in interim situations). The main exception I can think of is SR 135 which is not a child of US 35.
You're right IN 135 is not a child of US 35, it's what IN 35 got renumbered to when US 35 came into existence.
I think there could be a larger discussion about whether Indiana's 3d routes are truly child routes, but if they are, then
129 is longer than 29. Didn't find any others.
im not sure if this was mentioned yet but
US 281 is Longer then US 81 by 600 miles and it no longer connects to it anymore
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 08, 2021, 06:57:05 PM
Quote from: jlam on September 06, 2021, 08:30:05 PM
Technically, Future I-587 is longer than North Carolina's I-87, but I-587 hasn't been signed yet, and I-87 hasn't been completed to the Hampton Roads area. Count it if you want to.
I-587 doesn't exist yet. I-87 exists for 13 miles.
This will change, however, once the portion of US-264 east of I-95 is designated.
I -269 than the segment in TN being it's not even signed. However I-269 is longer than I-69 where it connects near Hernando, MS.