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Such as these, I'm curious what places actually have them? This is pictured in Burbank, CA. Most cities in Los Angeles county have them, as well as a lot of other cities in California, but outside of California they seem to be rare to come by. I know Las Vegas and Detroit have them too and potentially New York City too? A few streets I've seen pictured have LED ones instead of florescent lit ones.
As I said, Im wondering if they're common in other places, and when they started to show up in cities. I'm guessing in the 80's? Especially Burbank I remember them when I was a kid and some of them were pretty oxidized from being around for so long.
Also im pretty curious to see if anyone has any pictures of the old ones Burbank had before they replaced them
Thanks for any info! I've always thought these were kind of cool. They're more interesting than the bland metal ones. The city of LA is actually planning on replacing all the metal hanging signs with LED lit ones by 2015. There's currently one in downtown on Main & 1st and there's also another on Exposition Blvd somewhere but I do not have a picture
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There are a few places around the Philadelphia area that have them. King of Prussia (http://g.co/maps/fr55a) is one among others.
They seem to be popping up in more places. Joliet, Bolingbrook, Romeoville, Crest Hill, and Shorewood all have a few.
Hm. It seems its a newer thing outside of California? haha Thats interesting. I always found it hard to find them anywhere else since it just seems like most places no one is gonna care or there's no need for it. Or even not enough money since they're rather expensive. Ive checked out a few of the sites and the company that does the most of them here NuArt Lighting has them priced at about $1200 but the LED lit ones are about $3000 which it seems a lot of cities are replacing their old ones with here now. Its amazing its taken so long to get these to most areas, since they're way easier to see than the cruddy metal ones usually are. :ded:
Pic below is an LED one.
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They're fairly common in the City of Alexandria, Virginia. Less so in neighboring jurisdictions, though I've seen a few.
I had family who lived there for a short period of time, they must either not have had them yet or we didn't go out at night and I didn't notice X-(
Orlando/Orange County Florida has had them for over 20 years. They are spreading throughout Florida. They have them at new traffic light assemblies in Clay County FL and the more urban areas of Jacksonville/Duval County
Quote from: bulkyorled on April 10, 2012, 09:19:57 AM
Ive checked out a few of the sites and the company that does the most of them here NuArt Lighting has them priced at about $1200 but the LED lit ones are about $3000 which it seems a lot of cities are replacing their old ones with here now.
I wonder why so expensive. I'd have roughly eyeballed each at maybe 600 dollars. what makes it more complex than a standard fluorescent light? the primary difference is that these have a legend on them but if I wanted two acrylic panels printed with translucent ink, I could get them for $200 and I wouldn't even have quantity on my side!
In Vancouver (Washington State), they're only around in the older parts of the city. They also illuminate "LEFT TURN ONLY" signs. I estimate the time period was in the early 90s. The newer signs aren't illuminated.
there's a few illuminated guide signs (street name with arrow, white background with black text) in Cincy that date to the 50s.
The Phoenix area has them, too.
some townships in the Philadelphia western suburbs started adding them. Upper Merion Twp, Montgomery County (basically King Of Prussia) in the late 90's, and Uwchlan Twp, Chester County in the mid-00's. But these are rare in PA and in Western NY.
Ah yes I forgot Phoenix, Chandler and possibly Mesa have them too.
And I have no idea why they'd cost so much especially the ones I pictured. Especially the florescent ones. Its not a new concept clearly. There are several companies that do them so it might be that certain ones are of higher quality. Since some of them just look nasty from the start and others clearly look better.
I kinda get why the LED ones cost so much but still, $3000? No idea why. Unless the price they had listed included installation and upkeep but it wasn't mentioned.
Stamford, CT has them on their newer mast arm signals installed within the past few years. In Clearview, though an implementation of it that actually looks decent.
Newark, NJ has installed a few on their most critical downtown intersections. NY (Manhattan) also has a handful around Midtown.
Don't hold me to this, but I think I remember seeing some of those around Colorado Springs when I lived there.
QuoteDon't hold me to this, but I think I remember seeing some of those around Colorado Springs when I lived there.
Possibly in recent years then. I have an uncle who lived there and I don't recall them having it at the time but it's been a while since I was there
Well I guess I was ignorant! haha The places I had been around the US never had them except for the cities I mentioned and Phoenix which I actually forgotten about, I guess if I'm ever in a conversation about it I should instead say they're extremely, and perhaps most common in California. It's more rare to find a city here with metal signs than the illuminated ones.
Most the unincorporated cities had them but I think there was a change and most of them took them out so that's usually a sign :pan:(no pun intended) that they're not incorporated.
Quote from: Darkchylde on April 10, 2012, 06:35:03 PM
Don't hold me to this, but I think I remember seeing some of those around Colorado Springs when I lived there.
There are these in the Springs. Pueblo too, though they seem to be vulnerable to wind damage and are replaced with standard signs. Most of the lighted ones are on CDOT signals, but they may be city installations.
Quote from: KEK Inc. on April 10, 2012, 03:24:16 PM
In Vancouver (Washington State), they're only around in the older parts of the city. They also illuminate "LEFT TURN ONLY" signs. I estimate the time period was in the early 90s. The newer signs aren't illuminated.
Illuminated regulatory signs (Keep right, Left, Right, Thru, etc) exist all over Michigan.
Those are more rare here. A few cities will have them but they're never taken care of. Usually they're burnt out or the white has turned a light tan from being in the elements so long
Pensacola, FL has them
Wouldn't it be cheaper to replace the older metal signs with retroreflective ones rather than LED illuminated ones?
Also, I must say I'll be sad to see the white on blue street signs go, I always thought they were a bit more unique than the standard white on green ones.
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Quote from: bulkyorled on April 10, 2012, 09:19:57 AM
Ive checked out a few of the sites and the company that does the most of them here NuArt Lighting has them priced at about $1200 but the LED lit ones are about $3000 which it seems a lot of cities are replacing their old ones with here now.
I wonder why so expensive. I'd have roughly eyeballed each at maybe 600 dollars. what makes it more complex than a standard fluorescent light? the primary difference is that these have a legend on them but if I wanted two acrylic panels printed with translucent ink, I could get them for $200 and I wouldn't even have quantity on my side!
LED lighting is still a relatively new technology, so much of the extra expense is due to that costs haven't fully come down yet. It isn't really more complex, just different. I'd liken it to digital camera versus a film camera. Fluorescent lighting uses a ballast (essentially just a transformer) to power a tube filled with mercury vapor and phosphor - i.e., it uses chemicals to turn electricity into light. LED lighting, meanwhile, is electronics. It uses a transformer (not unlike the one on the cord to your laptop or cellphone charger) to convert AC to DC and then it uses diodes (which, even if it isn't visible, rest on silicon like any other electronic element) to create light.
Basically, think like it's 1999 and you're looking to buy a digital camera (LED) versus a film camera (fluorescent).
Glendale has white on blue throughout most of the city and Burbank has them too in a few spots. But yes it would be way cheaper. The illuminated ones as said start at about $800 but the metal reflective ones are about $70-100 each. Other than the ones with the lights look better in my opinion you can actually see the name of the street from further away with the lit ones.
LA plans on changing the metal with the LED ones for the reason theyre easier to see, the font is larger and its also for places that aren't as lit well. Darker intersections or wide intersections and such where the regular metal ones just don't do it. Plus I think whatever company they're gonna go through is giving them a deal considering just how many street signs they'd be replacing. I believe its the same company that's supplying the new LED street lights we've been getting here
But I do too like the white on blue. There's an abundance of it here in LA county haha but when I see the green illuminated ones Im like eh... i think i'll stick with the blue. Green seems to be hard to come by here now. La Cañada has green, they're the only ones I know near me that have green that work. Altadena had them but they cut the cords to them so they hang dead
The Las Vegas metro area (city, unincorporated county, and cities of Henderson and Boulder City) has used illuminated street name signs for as long as I can remember...the notable stand out is North Las Vegas, which uses a typical static metal sign. The brand in Vegas has traditionally been NuArt. Henderson has recently been using a different housing for its illuminated SNSs that affixes directly to the pole above the mast arm, instead of hanging from the mast arm as is typical.
Illuminated street name signs are also fairly common in Reno-Sparks, NV. Really old signals may not have them, but they are at most signals which appear to have been installed in the last 30 years. Reno/Sparks has experimented with some LED illuminated SNSs as of late.
For all new signal installations I've seen in Nevada in the past 10+ years (except for North Las Vegas), it has been standard to see some type of illuminated street name sign for every intersection.
Quote from: KEK Inc. on April 10, 2012, 03:24:16 PM
In Vancouver (Washington State), they're only around in the older parts of the city. They also illuminate "LEFT TURN ONLY" signs. ....
Within the past few years, the District of Columbia has started doing that for intersections that have part-time "NO LEFT TURN" restrictions. I rather like it, makes the restriction much more obvious than it was before and, assuming the light-up sign is working correctly, it eliminates the need to read the metal sign that lists the hours when the restriction is in effect. From my observations while driving across town it seems to have helped with the tourists who are focused on their planned left turn and who therefore don't notice the metal sign lower down on the pole where the traffic light is located.
our city has them as part of a city beautification project, mainly. I'd post pics, but Google maps hasn't been back to town since the changeover.
This pic gives a good idea of what they look like, but they are backlit now inside of a casing.
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Indianapolis has a couple of intersections along Kentucky Avenue that has those type of signs, with Clearview font I believe. Downtown Indianapolis has one intersection (Maryland and Meridian Streets.) I'm curious why the signs were put up but they don't look too bad, I kind of hope that they put them up at least around the Downtown. Plainfield, a suburb to the west has several up along US 40 and the business park near SR 267. Fishers to the northeast of town also has an intersection with illuminated street signs to the west of Exit 5 off 116th Street. To my knowledge, that's all for Central Indiana.
There are large number of them in Baton Rouge/East Baton Rouge Parish...especially on the south side...in two different typefaces.
I'm actually surprised as to how many places have them. I've been around the US a bit but not in these places obviously haha
NuArt seems to be a bigger one at least out west, I think GE does them too but there are several companies.
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These are in Glendale, Ive only ever seen one other city with these and I believe it was Orange but they didn't have them everywhere and theirs are blue instead of brown
There are three types of illuminated street name signs in Salinas. I have only daytime pictures, so bear with me.
Here's the old type:
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Here's a lighter-green version of the old type:
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And finally, here's the new signs that are being put up (This one also in Clearview):
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^ I like the old style way better!
The "old style" is very typical in all parts of California.
I believe every one of the pictured styles exists somewhere in Broward County, Florida, both with fluorescent tubes and a handful of LED-lit.
Quote from: blawp on April 15, 2012, 04:49:01 PM
The "old style" is very typical in all parts of California.
I've also noticed some in Texas.
Here's an example from Corpus Christi:
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I've actually only seen maybe 3 cities that have LED ones here. Glendale, Burbank and Anaheim but Anaheim is the only one where they replaced all (or at least most) of their old ones with the new ones. They seem to be still way too new for most cities to have.
Other cities that I know that have them are Pleasanton & Livermore up north, and possibly Dublin. I have a friend up there but they don't go into Dublin that much so its just a hunch on that.
Semi on-topic question, but I guess this is the best place to ask it: How much would an LED street name sign weigh?
About 20 pounds according to this PDF (http://www.emberled.com/uploads/7/1/4/6/7146396/ember_led_-_eshine_solar_led_nav_street_name_sign.pdf) (see page 3).
Quote from: Michael on April 16, 2012, 08:21:31 PM
About 20 pounds according to this PDF (http://www.emberled.com/uploads/7/1/4/6/7146396/ember_led_-_eshine_solar_led_nav_street_name_sign.pdf) (see page 3).
Thanks!
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There are three types of illuminated street name signs in Salinas. I have only daytime pictures, so bear with me.
Here's the old type:
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Here's a lighter-green version of the old type:
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And finally, here's the new signs that are being put up (This one also in Clearview):
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The ones on the bigger poles look little and the little pole one looks gigantic...
A couple more Phoenix-area communities that have illuminated signs: Peoria, Sun City, Surprise and I think there's some in Sun City West. They signs make sense in the "Sun Cities" as these are retirement communities.
In Oregon they are next to non-existant, except in Eugene, Albany and McMinnville. A recent signal replacement project in the southern part of McMinnville on 99W, a couple signals on the north side of town, and a number of city maintained signals throughout town, got the illuminated signs. The legend started to wear off of the signs very early and most of them have been replaced.
They are not the NuArt signs, however:
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I'd say you can add Quartz Hill onto the list however I visited there and they all seem to be burnt out now except one :( oh no!
I don't think Washington state has them either for the most part except what was mentioned. I have a friend in Port Orchard and they've never seen them.
TxDOT seems to like these...last night I saw a few of them on US 287 in Chillicothe and Quanah.
(Firefox suggests that I change "Chillicothe" to either "Helicopter" or "Chilliness".)
Hrm. Chillicothe has "Farm to Market" roads. Strange haha never actually have seen that before.
I want to take like 5 pictures of the illuminated streetlight signs of Palm Springs area roads named after celebrities known to visit and live in the area: Bob Hope, Frank Sinatra, Dinah Shore, Fred Waring and Gene Autry...plus Gerald Ford drive named for the 38th US president. :cool: (Driving in El Paseo in my '65 coup) I should take pics of El Paseo streetlight signs, like the world-famous Palm Canyon drive, and Indio Blvd. or Grapefruit Blvd. (old U.S. route 99).
Do it! I like seeing the style other cities get. The 2 closest cities that have them near me have the standard font with no design or city seal or anything. Burbank & Glendale sure had no imagination haha oh well at least they have them i guess. Other cities did it up a bit
Quote from: bulkyorled on April 30, 2012, 02:04:35 AM
Hrm. Chillicothe has "Farm to Market" roads. Strange haha never actually have seen that before.
Farm to Market roads are Texas's secondary highway system.
Strange. Ive never noticed that. Thank you for informing me!
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Strange. Ive never noticed that. Thank you for informing me!
Yeah, you'll see FM 1234 just as you might see SR 1234 somewhere else. If I'm not mistaken, they are called Ranch to Market roads in the western part of the state.
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My precious. They have fixed you. It has been blown out for a year. Although only one light :(
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I know these make you happy, Bulky. This is a pretty recent installation in Monrovia at the corner of Huntington and Myrtle.
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My precious. They have fixed you. It has been blown out for a year. Although only one light :(
That intersection looks familiar! My favorite restaurant in Montrose was right near this intersection! RIP, Pasta Preziosa.
I don't recall seeing any of these illuminates signs in South Florida until 1998 or so.
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Not exactly sure if this style lights up when it becomes dark outside:
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Why is the text in all caps?
Because FLORIDA has lots of near-blind people driving around; also led/planned by blind people (street blades are rarely not all-capped in FL).
Quote from: blawp on June 12, 2012, 04:29:34 PM
Why is the text in all caps?
Quote from: formulanone on June 12, 2012, 05:10:09 PM
Because FLORIDA has lots of near-blind people driving around; also led/planned by blind people (street blades are rarely not all-capped in FL).
Interesting...
Florida also has a larger population of older folks, if I'm not mistaken. One of FHWA's justifications for the switch to mixed case signing for street names and destinations was something in the older driver study--these drivers had better recognition of mixed-case signing over all-caps legends at greater distances. So the fact that there is still a lot of all-caps blades in Florida surprises me a bit.
All-caps is indeed not more legible than proper capitalization, whether on road signs, computer screens, books, or newspapers. Every so often, it can be used for single-word emphasis or solely to denote acronyms, but all-cap usage is a bad idea...it probably works for 2-4 letter abbreviations or short "sight words", but readability decays after too many letters.
Florida signage is so wildly inconsistent, you either love it or hate it. Viva la difference, I say.
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These are in Glendale, Ive only ever seen one other city with these and I believe it was Orange but they didn't have them everywhere and theirs are blue instead of brown
That looks fantastic.
Quote from: blawp on June 10, 2012, 08:35:51 PM
I know these make you happy, Bulky. This is a pretty recent installation in Monrovia at the corner of Huntington and Myrtle.
Just saw a couple of the newer ones last time I was over there! In the daytime it looks clean but when the lights come on the font looks brownish and the green looks dark. I like the ones that say City of Monrovia, a lot of them look newer since they're not all crusty and dirty yet.... Not sure how old they are since i've seen some crusty versions of it too
Quote from: formulanone on June 11, 2012, 04:41:23 PM
I don't recall seeing any of these illuminates signs in South Florida until 1998 or so.
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Wow Barack Obama Blvd! When was that changed? And what city is that in?
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These are in Glendale, Ive only ever seen one other city with these and I believe it was Orange but they didn't have them everywhere and theirs are blue instead of brown
That looks fantastic.
I always liked Glendale's. They have contrast between LA and Burbank, and at a stretch even Pasadena's. None of them are the same over here
I really wish I could find a way to get a hold of one of these for my collection :ded: Its not an easy thing to come across
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Shitty picture for the 2nd one, its not really that bright of course. In real life you can read it. But Burbank just changed out a few old ones and these new ones are gigantic
Quote from: bulkyorled on June 14, 2012, 12:38:21 AM
Wow Barack Obama Blvd! When was that changed? And what city is that in?
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My photo was from West Park, Florida (a small municipality which began in 2005; between Miami and Fort Lauderdale). The city of Orlando was apparently first to do it.
Hm. Kind of agreed with the first post there. Like him or hate him that seemed a bit rushed. Thats why I was shocked to see it.
Most of the cities in the Phoenix area, as well as most of the incorporated cities in the Tucson area. I remember them scattered around in El Paso. I thought they were the coolest thing too. Before I moved to Arizona, I had only seen signs like that on TV (in California and Nevada).
The ones Ive seen in AZ are always gigantic compared to the CA/NV common ones. Or at least in Chandler I think. I've seen pics where they look like triple large size. But then you scoot on over to Glendale, AZ and they look too small to me.
I think I'm the only one on here who thinks these are the coolest things. Im almost even bothered when cities take them out in exchange for boring metal ones. Although that doesn't happen around here much...
This design is used in most of Tempe and Goodyear, and parts of Gilbert and Tucson:
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The "ADOT" setup is used virtually everywhere else. Some cities incorporate a logo into the illuminated sign. Glendale has two styles that I've noticed. One is that small version seen just about everywhere in the city limits. There's another style near the Westgate complex that is larger, and incorporates Glendale's city logo next to the street name.
A few Dallas-area examples:
Addison, TX: http://goo.gl/maps/orUl
(almost all their signals have backlit street signs)
Highland Park, TX: http://goo.gl/maps/Vcbi
(couldn't find any Street Views, but the ornate mast-arms in the pic now have new thin backlit street signs)
Plano, TX: http://goo.gl/maps/IOoQ
(so far, only the major intersections have backlit street signs; the blurred-out part is the Plano city logo in a white circle)
What does Texas have against FHWA font? Two of the examples you show are in Helvetica.
I don't know that Texas has anything against FHWA font in particular. TxDOT probably uses Clearview so extensively because the Texas Transportation Institute was one of the agencies involved in the design/testing process. As for the Helvetica example above, those were done by a municipality, and we all know how well those adhere to proper signmaking guidelines sometimes.
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 24, 2012, 06:19:40 PM
I don't know that Texas has anything against FHWA font in particular. TxDOT probably uses Clearview so extensively because the Texas Transportation Institute was one of the agencies involved in the design/testing process. As for the Helvetica example above, those were done by a municipality, and we all know how well those adhere to proper signmaking guidelines sometimes.
All of the California examples shown have been FHWA, so I guess the municipality issue doesn't extend to California.
Quote from: blawp on June 24, 2012, 08:48:26 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 24, 2012, 06:19:40 PM
I don't know that Texas has anything against FHWA font in particular. TxDOT probably uses Clearview so extensively because the Texas Transportation Institute was one of the agencies involved in the design/testing process. As for the Helvetica example above, those were done by a municipality, and we all know how well those adhere to proper signmaking guidelines sometimes.
All of the California examples shown have been FHWA, so I guess the municipality issue doesn't extend to California.
Courtesy bulkyorled:
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Calabasas, CA
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San Fernando, CA
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Glendale, CA
And where's that guy that posts pictures of that town in CA that posts everything in Clarendon?
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 24, 2012, 08:57:20 PMAnd where's that guy that posts pictures of that town in CA that posts everything in Clarendon?
That would be me, my friend. And here's a Clarendon street blade from here in Salinas:
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Thanks! Couldn't remember the username. You just stuck in my mind as Clarendon Guy, I guess, haha.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that Salinas pretty much would put anything in Clarendon. Even in signs like these:
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Quote from: CentralCAroadgeek on June 24, 2012, 09:25:00 PM
Oh, and I forgot to mention that Salinas pretty much would put anything in Clarendon. Even in signs like these:
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I'm OK with Clarendon on street blades but I am NOT OK with it's use on the above photo. What was the city of Salinas thinking?
It seems to use them on small guide signs too; CentralCARoadgeek has posted instances of that as well.
It either has to come down to 1) stupidity, or 2) an attempt to establish a consistent brand/marketing (see number 1).
OK that dual left turn sign is really indefensibly bad.
Quote from: CentralCAroadgeek on June 24, 2012, 09:13:01 PM
That would be me, my friend. And here's a Clarendon street blade from here in Salinas:
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I am most definitely not a fan of those. The Suffix of the street doesn't look right. Its as if below the suffix they should have added the block number
Quote from: swbrotha100 on June 23, 2012, 05:32:50 PM
This design is used in most of Tempe and Goodyear, and parts of Gilbert and Tucson:
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h31/minjas2006/Trainz%20METRO%20Light%20Rail/TempeTrafficLight1R.jpg
http://azbex.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/estrellabuckeye540.jpg
The "ADOT" setup is used virtually everywhere else. Some cities incorporate a logo into the illuminated sign. Glendale has two styles that I've noticed. One is that small version seen just about everywhere in the city limits. There's another style near the Westgate complex that is larger, and incorporates Glendale's city logo next to the street name.
Are Glendale AZ and Glendale CA at all in talks with each other? They've got so much in common it makes me wonder. As I've shown in an earlier pic, they've got straight arm poles which are rare in California and signs unlike 99% of the other cities here. But not in the whole city, just in downtown.
Quote from: CentralCAroadgeek on June 24, 2012, 09:25:00 PM
Oh, and I forgot to mention that Salinas pretty much would put anything in Clarendon. Even in signs like these:
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That's terrible...
Its almost not even so much the font to me as they just don't put it all together right. The double left turn one doesnt look right or like its missing something, the street blades look like theyre missing the block numbers... the list goes on im sure
New traffic signals in the city of Phoenix are pretty much going with straight mast arms for the overheads. Other than the signals in downtown Glendale (I think they are all on Glendale Ave), other signals with straight mast arms are relatively rare and just scattered around the rest of Arizona. I wish Phoenix used signals more like downtown Glendale, or go with the curved mast arms more often. Glendale hopefully will consider upgrading their illuminated street signs to be larger than they are now, maybe take a cue from the other cities in the area.
Quote from: bulkyorled on June 25, 2012, 06:05:55 AM
Quote from: CentralCAroadgeek on June 24, 2012, 09:25:00 PM
Oh, and I forgot to mention that Salinas pretty much would put anything in Clarendon. Even in signs like these:
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That's terrible...
Its almost not even so much the font to me as they just don't put it all together right. The double left turn one doesnt look right or like its missing something, the street blades look like theyre missing the block numbers... the list goes on im sure
On a standard left turn only like, the arrow is curved. I think there's usually a partial vertical line between the two, as well.
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 25, 2012, 11:36:46 PM
Quote from: bulkyorled on June 25, 2012, 06:05:55 AM
Quote from: CentralCAroadgeek on June 24, 2012, 09:25:00 PM
Oh, and I forgot to mention that Salinas pretty much would put anything in Clarendon. Even in signs like these:
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That's terrible...
Its almost not even so much the font to me as they just don't put it all together right. The double left turn one doesnt look right or like its missing something, the street blades look like theyre missing the block numbers... the list goes on im sure
On a standard left turn only like, the arrow is curved. I think there's usually a partial vertical line between the two, as well.
No vertical line in California. The outside arrow is larger than the inside arrow, however.
Simi Valley seems to be experimenting with various forms now;
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Awful 2nd picture I know haha The LED ones are rather small and are seemingly useless... the 2nd pic only is at the intersection of Tapo Cyn and Township, solar powered! The green outline doesnt show up in the dark, the letters are illuminated. I don't like them haha I hope they go for the LED ones, even if they are a little font. The solar ones are terrible looking and the old metal ones Simi has are basically not reflective anymore and are a bit yucky looking.
Quote from: bulkyorled on April 10, 2012, 06:08:34 PM
Ah yes I forgot Phoenix, Chandler and possibly Mesa have them too.
While I know not all suburbs of Phoenix have them, I have seen them in the west valley as well (Glendale, Peoria, Surprise). I think Arizona, in some ways, is sort of like California's little brother. Take a typical stretch of road built in AZ and compare it to a similar stretch of road in California, built around the same time, and there will probably be a lot of similarities (like the traffic lights and signage). I only point this out since I grew up in NJ, but visit AZ and CA regularly, so it's the sort of thing that stands out to me.
Quote from: Compulov on June 26, 2012, 11:53:33 AMTake a typical stretch of road built in AZ and compare it to a similar stretch of road in California, built around the same time, and there will probably be a lot of similarities (like the traffic lights and signage).
I've always considered Nevada to have that role. CA and AZ signage are sufficiently different, but if you ever want to see lots of signs made to 1990s retroreflective standards, but using 1960s Cal Division of Highways layouts, check Reno and Las Vegas.
or, hell, the last porcelain signs in Nevada are even stamped CA-78!
CA & AZ use the state's natural colors a lot too for their signs. AZ = almost all brown. CA = Mostly Blue (ocean) and then green... with a few random ones thrown in such as red or grey or even white with green lettering.
There are more blue signage in LA/OC than Green or other counting only incorporated cities. Green is standard for all unincorporated. And I was thinking the other day, there would have been very few cities with non-illuminated signs prior to the change in the county changing standards and making county dependent areas remove them.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 26, 2012, 12:14:25 PM
Quote from: Compulov on June 26, 2012, 11:53:33 AMTake a typical stretch of road built in AZ and compare it to a similar stretch of road in California, built around the same time, and there will probably be a lot of similarities (like the traffic lights and signage).
I've always considered Nevada to have that role. CA and AZ signage are sufficiently different, but if you ever want to see lots of signs made to 1990s retroreflective standards, but using 1960s Cal Division of Highways layouts, check Reno and Las Vegas.
That certainly was the case some time ago, but I would say that much of NDOT's newer sign designs have diverged quite a bit from how CalTrans designs signs. Nevada has a much more consistent look now, but much of their highway design history does appear to be based on what California developed first.
Quote from: agentsteel53
or, hell, the last porcelain signs in Nevada arewere even stamped CA-78!
Fixed that for you... Most porcelain signs I knew of have been removed due to recent construction activities...I only know of one left (US 395 SB north of Reno).
Whats even more obsessive and sick is that I could probably name all the cities in LA county and tell you what color they have, the design of it (if it mentions what city it is or has a city seal on it), and if theyre LED or not.
:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
Quote from: roadfro on June 27, 2012, 06:28:43 AM
Fixed that for you... Most porcelain signs I knew of have been removed due to recent construction activities...I only know of one left (US 395 SB north of Reno).
all the ones on 80 are gone? I had been suspicious that this was the case.
indeed, as of May 21st (day after the eclipse), there was precisely one left on 395.
but, a lot of the new 395 signs have 1961-spec route shields!
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that shield shape (not wider!) and with "395" in Series C. not a bad looking shield at all.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 27, 2012, 10:44:19 AM
Quote from: roadfro on June 27, 2012, 06:28:43 AM
Fixed that for you... Most porcelain signs I knew of have been removed due to recent construction activities...I only know of one left (US 395 SB north of Reno).
all the ones on 80 are gone? I had been suspicious that this was the case.
Yup. NDOT is reconstructing the original I-80 pavement between Keystone Ave & E. 4th St as part of their I-80 design-build project, which includes all new signs throughout the downtown corridor. This is where all the old porcelain signs were--new signs are not yet in place but all the old signs are gone.
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Maybe we can see some different fonts if anyone really sees any. :P Or unusual designs at least
I've always like the Westminster city signs, even though Medieval Times is in Buena Park...
I only dipped in Westminster tonight. I gather that font is their old style? I cant even tell what was going on there, we were going up Westminster Ave and it seemed like most of the signs are burnt out or crusted over from age but appeared as though they had the standard font. I turned up Beach and it got worse. I was surprised that Garbage Grove had nicer signs...
A few local examples:
Crest Hill (only one I know of in the city) at Renwick & Weber.
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Romeoville (which is installing them all over the village) at the same intersection.
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Joliet (installing them on new traffic signals) at Vermette and IL-59.
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Shorewood (installing them all over the village) at Black and IL-59. Note the symbol. That's the village's seal - Jefferson (US-52) and IL-59 with the DuPage River flowing around the intersection.
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ILL? They could shop off the 2nd L. Did you edit those to show just the signs? They look a little freaky with it being pitch black...
My guess is he took them at night. With the camera focused on the illuminated sign, the aperture would probably be too small to catch the darkened background.
Quote from: bulkyorled on July 11, 2012, 08:25:39 AM
ILL? They could shop off the 2nd L. Did you edit those to show just the signs? They look a little freaky with it being pitch black...
IDOT commonly shortens "Illinois" to "ILL", but "IL" is also seen. What gets used often is the combination of "ILL RTE" for Illinois Route.
Yes, I took them at night to catch the signs while lit.
I meant there's no background light or street lights it just looks funny haha
ILL seems odd, it makes it sound sick. It's Ill. :meh: :happy:
Quote from: bulkyorled on July 16, 2012, 01:24:42 PM
I meant there's no background light or street lights it just looks funny haha
ILL seems odd, it makes it sound sick. It's Ill. :meh: :happy:
I zoomed in close enough with the camera to take them out of the pictures, and yeah, the "ILL" is a bit ill, but it is the older postal abbreviation for the state (as Cal was for California).
Virginia Beach near NAS Oceana
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Well, since my last attempt at, you know, relevant content didn't fare so well... :spin:
Chesapeake, VA
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I dunno whats with this horrible font from Pittsburgh, CA. Not plugged in anymore though.
I like the ones Virginia has. A lot of them seem to be in caps and few cities here have caps like that
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I dunno whats with this horrible font from Pittsburgh, CA. Not plugged in anymore though.
I like the ones Virginia has. A lot of them seem to be in caps and few cities here have caps like that
The fonts are inconsistent. The "d" in Meadows is totally off!
City of Bremerton, WA:
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City of Tumwater, WA:
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In Irving, just outside Dallas, along Lake Carolyn Parkway:
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The new DART Orange Line tracks run along the median of this street, in the upscale corporate neighborhood known as Las Colinas. This is a thin LED-lit sign but looks like it could be just a fancy blade-shaped mast street sign. I haven't been to other parts of Irving lately to see if this is rolling out to other streets or even major intersections elsewhere besides Las Colinas.
Greenbelt, MD
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Quote from: Takumi on July 18, 2012, 02:55:26 PM
Well, since my last attempt at, you know, relevant content didn't fare so well... :spin:
Chesapeake, VA
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Interesting that the sign the side-street sees is mounted directly on the mast, while the one facing the main street is hanging --so both directions can see the same sign without having 2 different signs on the mast I guess?
Most of them are like that here.
Ones at T Intersections dont get double sided ones unless there's a reason to see it from behind here just like that. Only here usually it'll get a black or white out panel so the light doesn't go through it. Although rare occasions there will be double sided ones like that which is obviously pointless.
Tumwater, WA ones are nice. I like the seal they've put on there. Not something I've seen before. Usually it's just a shadow of the city seal.
Bremerton's though, and i suppose even Chesapeake, VA's are basically identical to the ones that have been going up here. Even possibly the same exact ones Burbank is putting in.
Richmond, BC:
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Redding, CA*:
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* This is not an example of the illuminated street signs throughout Redding, which I unfortunately couldn't get a picture of
green one has a crazy ass large font
I just came back from a trip to Virginia Beach. That city is full of illuminated street name signs, and it seems like they're adding more.
Colorado uses them quite a bit. I've seen them in Denver, Grand Junction and selected other cities.
Grove City and Dublin, Ohio use self-illuminated signs at high-volume intersections. Westerville too, but only the portion in Delaware County for some reason. The problem I have with this type of sign is what local agencies tend to do with a long street name: they don't order a larger sign enclosure; they don't use a narrower font; they just squish Series E(M) to fit the hardware. :thumbdown:
necroquote:
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Shitty picture for the 2nd one, its not really that bright of course.
Actually it
is that bright. The problem is the camera that took that photo, like most, isn't as good at recording high-dynamic-range images as the human eye.
Quote from: vtk on September 05, 2012, 11:40:48 PM
Grove City and Dublin, Ohio use self-illuminated signs at high-volume intersections. Westerville too, but only the portion in Delaware County for some reason. The problem I have with this type of sign is what local agencies tend to do with a long street name: they don't order a larger sign enclosure; they don't use a narrower font; they just squish Series E(M) to fit the hardware. :thumbdown:
That's because the fixtures tend to come in standard sizes that will fit standard fluorescent bulb lengths--LED housings are likely based on these older sizings. Longer than that, it's either compress the legend (easy) or special order a custom housing (more expensive) to accommodate the long street name.
Quote from: roadfro on September 06, 2012, 06:40:49 AM
Quote from: vtk on September 05, 2012, 11:40:48 PM
Grove City and Dublin, Ohio use self-illuminated signs at high-volume intersections. Westerville too, but only the portion in Delaware County for some reason. The problem I have with this type of sign is what local agencies tend to do with a long street name: they don't order a larger sign enclosure; they don't use a narrower font; they just squish Series E(M) to fit the hardware. :thumbdown:
That's because the fixtures tend to come in standard sizes that will fit standard fluorescent bulb lengths--LED housings are likely based on these older sizings. Longer than that, it's either compress the legend (easy) or special order a custom housing (more expensive) to accommodate the long street name.
I still say :thumbdown: because I haven't seen a single one use (for example) Series C instead of a compressed Series E(M).
Quote from: vtk on September 05, 2012, 11:40:48 PM
Grove City and Dublin, Ohio use self-illuminated signs at high-volume intersections. Westerville too, but only the portion in Delaware County for some reason.
IIRC there are some new ones in Franklin County now near the OH 3/I-270 interchange, though now that I think about it I'm not sure whether they technically fall within Westerville city limits.
Quote from: Central Avenue on September 06, 2012, 10:51:50 PM
Quote from: vtk on September 05, 2012, 11:40:48 PM
Grove City and Dublin, Ohio use self-illuminated signs at high-volume intersections. Westerville too, but only the portion in Delaware County for some reason.
IIRC there are some new ones in Franklin County now near the OH 3/I-270 interchange, though now that I think about it I'm not sure whether they technically fall within Westerville city limits.
If it's north of the interchange, yes; the interchange itself and OH 3 south of it are not in Westerville. Ugh, now I'm reminded of Westerville's older street signs, where they have to use
all the vertical space, in all-caps Series D*, squished horizontally to fit if necessary...
*Maybe it's Series C, but it definitely got squished way more often than necessary
I had nothing better to do, so I went and looked. The sign I was thinking of is, oddly, at the interchange itself--there's an illuminated "SR 3" when you come off the ramp from I-270 WB.
It matches the style of Westerville's other illuminated signs, but as you noted, the interchange itself isn't in Westerville. But it doesn't match anything ODOT's done along that stretch of OH 3 either. Also, the Huber Village Blvd intersection (which was reconfigured at the same time as the interchange) has "classic" Westerville stretched-series-D blades, so if the one-off "SR 3" sign
was somehow Westerville's doing, they apparently couldn't be bothered to spring for more of them.
Quote from: vtk on September 07, 2012, 12:43:18 AM
Ugh, now I'm reminded of Westerville's older street signs, where they have to use all the vertical space, in all-caps Series D*, squished horizontally to fit if necessary...
Would you believe their new mixed-case ones are even worse? The stretched type persists, but now they suffer
Oversized
Caps
Syndrome as well. They're among the worst street blades I have ever seen...I need to get pictures some time.
Quote from: Central Avenue on September 07, 2012, 05:33:37 AM
I had nothing better to do, so I went and looked. The sign I was thinking of is, oddly, at the interchange itself--there's an illuminated "SR 3" when you come off the ramp from I-270 WB.
It matches the style of Westerville's other illuminated signs, but as you noted, the interchange itself isn't in Westerville. But it doesn't match anything ODOT's done along that stretch of OH 3 either. Also, the Huber Village Blvd intersection (which was reconfigured at the same time as the interchange) has "classic" Westerville stretched-series-D blades, so if the one-off "SR 3" sign was somehow Westerville's doing, they apparently couldn't be bothered to spring for more of them.
I have two theories which could explain that. First, while (IIRC) the reconstruction was an ODOT project, they probably took a lot of input from Westerville who went ahead and took responsibility for the street signs for the whole thing. (ODOT doesn't do street blades as far as I know, and this would also explain why the south end of Rickenbacker Pkwy W has street blades that look like they were made by FCEO even though they are in Pickaway County...) The second possibility is simply that Westerville annexed the stretch of OH 3 that was reconstructed.
Since this is allowed under the thread exhumation policy, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Wichita's overhead street name signs yet:
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I don't know of any new ones, but the old ones have been around as long as I can remember. I'm pretty sure there used to be more of them than there are today, including some on Kellogg, pre-freeway.
Also, notice how Wichita tended to put them on just one side of the street, because they're double-sided, as can be seen in the third photo. This was a common practice at intersections where they were used, although supplemental pole-mounted street blades were also sometimes used, as shown in the 13th and Woodlawn example (the first photo).
This kind of makes me want to go on a hunt to catch them all.
Quote from: stridentweasel on September 01, 2013, 04:47:44 PM
Since this is allowed under the thread exhumation policy, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Wichita's overhead street name signs yet:
...
I don't know of any new ones, but the old ones have been around as long as I can remember. I'm pretty sure there used to be more of them than there are today, including some on Kellogg, pre-freeway.
Also, notice how Wichita tended to put them on just one side of the street, because they're double-sided, as can be seen in the third photo. This was a common practice at intersections where they were used, although supplemental pole-mounted street blades were also sometimes used, as shown in the 13th and Woodlawn example (the first photo).
This kind of makes me want to go on a hunt to catch them all.
Catch em while you can... they are getting more and more rare. I, too, am shocked no one else thought of ICT. Hutchinson KS has them, as well...
A newer LED version - http://goo.gl/maps/GngQ9
The older type are almost all gone now.
ICTRds
Atchison has a few too.
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 03, 2013, 06:13:33 PM
Atchison has a few too.
Oh yeah, such as on
this heavy-duty signal assembly: https://maps.google.com/?ll=39.560847,-95.127327&spn=0.002151,0.005284&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=39.560848,-95.127162&panoid=_1gDAKXPvE6pn-vFjC5BXw&cbp=12,271.95,,0,-7.58
I remember noticing those a couple of times.
Quote from: bulkyorled on April 12, 2012, 10:09:11 PM
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These are in Glendale, Ive only ever seen one other city with these and I believe it was Orange but they didn't have them everywhere and theirs are blue instead of brown
Orange had the white-on-blue ones that were installed on a light of the signals with shorter mast arms (signals from the early 70s and before, I'm guessing). Irvine also had some of the white-on-brown smaller ones as well.
All new signal installations in Aurora, Co have lighted signs.
This is what they used to look like (down the street from me at E Mexico and S Havana):
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Aurora,+CO&hl=en&ll=39.685424,-104.866296&spn=0.001462,0.002642&sll=40.000165,-105.259945&sspn=0.002912,0.005284&oq=Aurora,+Co&t=h&hnear=Aurora,+Arapahoe,+Colorado&z=19&layer=c&cbll=39.685647,-104.865994&panoid=Tv993k4TdAztLa6HVq5HKA&cbp=12,192.58,,0,-22.87
This is typical of the newer Aurora signals (a few blocks south on Havana at Parker Rd):
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Aurora,+CO&hl=en&ll=39.670862,-104.866144&spn=0.001474,0.002642&sll=40.000165,-105.259945&sspn=0.002912,0.005284&oq=Aurora,+Co&t=h&hnear=Aurora,+Arapahoe,+Colorado&z=19&layer=c&cbll=39.670862,-104.866144&panoid=p-oG11TBi0VQpwjaD0-PQA&cbp=12,220.53,,1,-3.29
The next signal south of Parker on Havana is E Yale Ave, which forms the border of Denver and Aurora here. The signal must be maintained by Aurora, because even on the south side of the intersection (in Denver), the lighted signs, with the Denver seal, are present. Denver only uses green reflective blades with the city seal:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Aurora,+CO&hl=en&ll=39.667519,-104.866252&spn=0.001475,0.002642&sll=40.000165,-105.259945&sspn=0.002912,0.005284&oq=Aurora,+Co&t=h&hnear=Aurora,+Arapahoe,+Colorado&z=19&layer=c&cbll=39.667519,-104.866252&panoid=KRNVsE1ukJ09zovmgEO33w&cbp=12,188.71,,1,-3.75
Another interesting thing that Aurora does is install blue signs for intersections with streets that are not public, IE, streets whose function is to provide access to a shopping center, such as here at E Mississippi Ave and S Ironton St (Ironton to the north is an actual street, so the signal on the other side gets the typical green treatment):
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Aurora,+CO&hl=en&ll=39.696509,-104.863788&spn=0.002948,0.005284&sll=40.000165,-105.259945&sspn=0.002912,0.005284&oq=Aurora,+Co&t=h&hnear=Aurora,+Arapahoe,+Colorado&z=18&layer=c&cbll=39.696507,-104.863616&panoid=_L8j_tlJ5l5fOHfulNwmzw&cbp=12,98.45,,0,-8.13
Elsewhere in Denver metro, the prevalence of lighted signs depends on each municipality (and county). Most of the northern suburbs have them (Thornton, Northglenn, Westminster...which has some colorful ones, unincorporated Adams County has some), Highlands Ranch and Lone Tree down south have them, but most do not.
This is one of the Westminster signs at Sheridan and 72nd Ave:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Westminster,+CO&hl=en&ll=39.827343,-105.053486&spn=0.004128,0.010568&sll=39.696504,-104.863617&sspn=0.002948,0.005284&oq=West,+CO&t=h&hnear=Westminster,+Adams,+Colorado&z=17&layer=c&cbll=39.827343,-105.053486&panoid=TPkFAZDz7YqK-VnRSUO20g&cbp=12,268.45,,0,-8.41
Quote from: Brandon on April 10, 2012, 07:04:42 AM
They seem to be popping up in more places. Joliet, Bolingbrook, Romeoville, Crest Hill, and Shorewood all have a few.
Add in Bridgeview, Hickory Hills, and Oak Lawn to the list
Here's some more for the list....
Farmers Branch, TX:
(still red / red-orange happy about their street signage)
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Highland Park, TX:
(originally the city installed these hanging down from the horizontal part of the mast, but lately they've attached them beside the sign onto the vertical part of the mast)
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Someone needs to tell those towns about approved alphabet series.
Tahoma? Arial? Do these guys design their stuff in PowerPoint?
Quote from: Takumi on July 17, 2012, 10:57:22 PM
Virginia Beach near NAS Oceana
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My favorite story about one not too far from there was driving home from the dinner where I first met my in-laws, we came across a sign where one letter did not illuminate, creating: HO LAND RD.
Definitely a lot of Illuminated street name signs in Michigan. There's a list of towns and cities where they had it.
1. Detroit: Very common in Downtown Detroit. Recently, around 2011, they added some LED street name signs on Warren in the Wayne State University section. There is also more along Grand Avenue in the New Center neighborhood of Detroit.
2. Novi has a bunch of these.
3. Farmington only has one intersection, which is Grand River Ave and Farmington Road. Please note that it is Farmington, not Farmington Hills.
4. A few is in Lincoln Park, MI.
5. In the Grand Rapids area, the LED street name signs are more common in Wyoming, a suburb. There is also one spotted near Gerald R. Ford International Airport.
6. Canton and Plymouth have a few.
7. Clinton Township definitely has a few along Metropolitan Road/16 Mile Road.
8. Troy has a lot along Big Beaver Road and Rochester Road.
9. Mostly common in Ann Arbor, the college town of Michigan.
10. Also common in Battle Creek, Michigan which is near Kalamazoo.
11. Very rare in the Lansing area (I think that the illuminated street signs are spotted up in North Lansing).
I'm pretty sure that's not the full list of towns, feel free to expand it if you are a native from Michigan.
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 07, 2013, 02:56:09 AM
Tahoma? Arial? Do these guys design their stuff in PowerPoint?
Better than Times New Roman or Comic Sans MS.
I would like to see these being used in Indiana as well. (along with more mast arms and less of the ugly wirespans. )
Quote from: Lytton on October 09, 2013, 06:15:54 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 07, 2013, 02:56:09 AM
Tahoma? Arial? Do these guys design their stuff in PowerPoint?
Better than Times New Roman or Comic Sans MS.
I was involved in a project where the sub-consultant actually had plans for illuminated signs in Comic Sans. I red-lined it right away saying the client requires it in FHWA font.
Quote from: Big John on October 09, 2013, 06:40:23 PM
Quote from: Lytton on October 09, 2013, 06:15:54 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 07, 2013, 02:56:09 AM
Tahoma? Arial? Do these guys design their stuff in PowerPoint?
Better than Times New Roman or Comic Sans MS.
I was involved in a project where the sub-consultant actually had plans for illuminated signs in Comic Sans. I red-lined it right away saying the client requires it in FHWA font.
Wow. Either that sub-consultant is ignorant or doesn't know what a good font is. Either way, thank god that Comic Sans wasn't added to the illuminated signs.
Actually, I wonder which town or city those illuminated signs were going to be placed at?
Quote from: Lytton on October 09, 2013, 07:28:02 PM
Quote from: Big John on October 09, 2013, 06:40:23 PM
Quote from: Lytton on October 09, 2013, 06:15:54 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 07, 2013, 02:56:09 AM
Tahoma? Arial? Do these guys design their stuff in PowerPoint?
Better than Times New Roman or Comic Sans MS.
I was involved in a project where the sub-consultant actually had plans for illuminated signs in Comic Sans. I red-lined it right away saying the client requires it in FHWA font.
Wow. Either that sub-consultant is ignorant or doesn't know what a good font is. Either way, thank god that Comic Sans wasn't added to the illuminated signs.
Actually, I wonder which town or city those illuminated signs were going to be placed at?
Clayton County, GA
Quote from: Big John on October 09, 2013, 08:41:32 PM
Quote from: Lytton on October 09, 2013, 07:28:02 PM
Quote from: Big John on October 09, 2013, 06:40:23 PM
I was involved in a project where the sub-consultant actually had plans for illuminated signs in Comic Sans. I red-lined it right away saying the client requires it in FHWA font.
Wow. Either that sub-consultant is ignorant or doesn't know what a good font is. Either way, thank god that Comic Sans wasn't added to the illuminated signs.
Actually, I wonder which town or city those illuminated signs were going to be placed at?
Clayton County, GA
The sub-consultant was joking, right? RIGHT!!!???
Of course, there's something about making road signs in comic sans that sounds delightfully subversive. :bigass:
There are a few along Winton Road in Springfield Township, Ohio.
Downtown Cincinnati also has them at most intersections along and south of Central Parkway. Which brings me to the following necroquote:
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 10, 2012, 04:29:19 PM
there's a few illuminated guide signs (street name with arrow, white background with black text) in Cincy that date to the 50s.
I'm not sure where those are/were. I think there were one or two located along the 6th Street Viaduct (that I believe are now gone because of the construction), but that's all I recall?
Quote from: stridentweasel on October 11, 2013, 10:56:09 PM
Quote from: Big John on October 09, 2013, 08:41:32 PM
Quote from: Lytton on October 09, 2013, 07:28:02 PM
Quote from: Big John on October 09, 2013, 06:40:23 PM
I was involved in a project where the sub-consultant actually had plans for illuminated signs in Comic Sans. I red-lined it right away saying the client requires it in FHWA font.
Wow. Either that sub-consultant is ignorant or doesn't know what a good font is. Either way, thank god that Comic Sans wasn't added to the illuminated signs.
Actually, I wonder which town or city those illuminated signs were going to be placed at?
Clayton County, GA
The sub-consultant was joking, right? RIGHT!!!???
Of course, there's something about making road signs in comic sans that sounds delightfully subversive. :bigass:
What about the font used onthe illuminated signs in Westminster CA. http://goo.gl/oKiYLT (http://goo.gl/poZZKY)
Your link just took me to the map, not anywhere in particular in Westminster. But the first couple of intersections (http://goo.gl/maps/JCwSC like this one) I looked at all seem to have FHWA fonts on the blades...
Quote from: Kacie Jane on October 12, 2013, 12:31:30 PM
Your link just took me to the map, not anywhere in particular in Westminster. But the first couple of intersections (http://goo.gl/maps/JCwSC like this one) I looked at all seem to have FHWA fonts on the blades...
I'm pretty sure Indyroads was referring to this typeface: https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.751798,-117.998288&spn=0.00176,0.002642&gl=us&t=k&z=19&layer=c&cbll=33.751798,-117.998288&panoid=EiBQg3Kn_ywzHPyO2HoE-g&cbp=12,342.09,,0,-1.64
Ye Olde Illuminated Street Sign is what I call it! ("Olde" because it pre-dates the thinner LED ones.)
Ah yes. Ye Olde Typeface indeed.
Quote from: Indyroads on October 12, 2013, 11:56:07 AM
What about the font used on the illuminated signs in Westminster CA. http://goo.gl/oKiYLT (http://goo.gl/poZZKY)
Bill and Ted's hometown, San Dimas, California has another unique font on their illuminated street signs. It uses a font that mimics the Wild Wild West.
I have the street view for one of those illuminated street signs. http://goo.gl/maps/RC2UI
The white letter on blue back ground flat LED panels are going on new signal installations here.
I decided to add a couple from Overland Park, Kansas:
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These are now used at every signalized intersection along College Boulevard in the city, and on a couple of stretches of Metcalf Avenue. Back-lit street name signs have actually started popping up in several cities in Northeast Kansas in the past few years. I honestly don't consider these among the best executed examples. I find them unnecessarily cluttered, especially from the pretentious use of the city logo. I don't mind the use of Clearview, but give the letters room to breathe. I used to like city logos on street name signs, when they were a new idea, but their abundance has made them absurd. I would much rather see city limit signs on arterial roads at municipal boundary crossings.
When these go dark here, they are never repaired or replaced. Makes you wonder if they should just stick with regular reflective ones.
Quote from: pctech on October 29, 2013, 09:36:17 AM
When these go dark here, they are never repaired or replaced. Makes you wonder if they should just stick with regular reflective ones.
Maybe that's why Wichita, Kansas is phasing them out in favor of simple reflective street signs. Illuminated signs are pretty, but they can't be cheap.
Quote from: stridentweasel on October 29, 2013, 08:53:59 PM
Quote from: pctech on October 29, 2013, 09:36:17 AM
When these go dark here, they are never repaired or replaced. Makes you wonder if they should just stick with regular reflective ones.
Maybe that's why Wichita, Kansas is phasing them out in favor of simple reflective street signs. Illuminated signs are pretty, but they can't be cheap.
Wichita started phasing them out a very long time ago. The only ones left are just relics at intersections that are either forgotten about or due for an update at some point. I don't think a new one has been installed since I was a wee lad - perhaps '83 or '84 was the last installation of them.
ICTRds
Quote from: bulkyorled on June 25, 2012, 06:04:18 AM
Quote from: CentralCAroadgeek on June 24, 2012, 09:13:01 PM
That would be me, my friend. And here's a Clarendon street blade from here in Salinas:
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I am most definitely not a fan of those. The Suffix of the street doesn't look right. Its as if below the suffix they should have added the block number
Quote from: swbrotha100 on June 23, 2012, 05:32:50 PM
This design is used in most of Tempe and Goodyear, and parts of Gilbert and Tucson:
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h31/minjas2006/Trainz%20METRO%20Light%20Rail/TempeTrafficLight1R.jpg
http://azbex.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/estrellabuckeye540.jpg
The "ADOT" setup is used virtually everywhere else. Some cities incorporate a logo into the illuminated sign. Glendale has two styles that I've noticed. One is that small version seen just about everywhere in the city limits. There's another style near the Westgate complex that is larger, and incorporates Glendale's city logo next to the street name.
Are Glendale AZ and Glendale CA at all in talks with each other? They've got so much in common it makes me wonder. As I've shown in an earlier pic, they've got straight arm poles which are rare in California and signs unlike 99% of the other cities here. But not in the whole city, just in downtown.
There are fonts that just do not look good when proper-cased. Serif fonts like Clarendon are among those that I refer to.
Clarendon should only be reserved for uppercase parts of signs, such as the suffix of a Street Name sign.
Quote from: Brandon on July 11, 2012, 06:32:37 PM
Quote from: bulkyorled on July 11, 2012, 08:25:39 AM
ILL? They could shop off the 2nd L. Did you edit those to show just the signs? They look a little freaky with it being pitch black...
IDOT commonly shortens "Illinois" to "ILL", but "IL" is also seen. What gets used often is the combination of "ILL RTE" for Illinois Route.
Yes, I took them at night to catch the signs while lit.
Ill. is the official abbreviation of Illinois, by the way. IL, like all other two letter abbreviations, is used for postage services but rarely anything else unless sites (AARoads is an example) require that the two letter state abbreviation be used.
Quote from: Lytton on October 09, 2013, 06:15:54 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 07, 2013, 02:56:09 AM
Tahoma? Arial? Do these guys design their stuff in PowerPoint?
Better than Times New Roman or Comic Sans MS.
And speaking of Comic Sans MS, one of the my Google+ friends had hate mail (from a man) sent to her in the Comic Sans MS font.
Quote from: txstateends on September 06, 2013, 07:02:02 PM
Here's some more for the list....
Farmers Branch, TX:
(still red / red-orange happy about their street signage)
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Highland Park, TX:
(originally the city installed these hanging down from the horizontal part of the mast, but lately they've attached them beside the sign onto the vertical part of the mast)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.com%2Fscaled%2Flarge%2F849%2F0awv.jpg&hash=0badece709b029dba2202ddbf4ee1f3652dd528e)
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Someone please tell Farmers Branch that December 7, 2011 was 23 months ago. They can't use white lettering on red background for Street Name signs anymore, or for any sign other than regulatory.
Quote from: stridentweasel on October 27, 2013, 12:40:11 AM
I decided to add a couple from Overland Park, Kansas:
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(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi312.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fll339%2Fstridentweasel%2Fantioch_sign_dark_sized.jpg&hash=2911e3b54e19d4d7cf3dffd15c47b41028f89635) (http://s312.photobucket.com/user/stridentweasel/media/antioch_sign_dark_sized.jpg.html)
These are now used at every signalized intersection along College Boulevard in the city, and on a couple of stretches of Metcalf Avenue. Back-lit street name signs have actually started popping up in several cities in Northeast Kansas in the past few years. I honestly don't consider these among the best executed examples. I find them unnecessarily cluttered, especially from the pretentious use of the city logo. I don't mind the use of Clearview, but give the letters room to breathe. I used to like city logos on street name signs, when they were a new idea, but their abundance has made them absurd. I would much rather see city limit signs on arterial roads at municipal boundary crossings.
What's very interesting to me at this intersection that you show (Antioch/College in Overland Park) is the use of a 4 section signal display on the right side. I know that it's for a right turn arrow that is in conjunction with a corresponding and non-conflicting left turn (no u-turn so no conflicts at all). But my question is why isn't there a 5th section for a yellow arrow?
Quote from: mrsman on November 03, 2013, 08:38:58 AM
What's very interesting to me at this intersection that you show (Antioch/College in Overland Park) is the use of a 4 section signal display on the right side. I know that it's for a right turn arrow that is in conjunction with a corresponding and non-conflicting left turn (no u-turn so no conflicts at all). But my question is why isn't there a 5th section for a yellow arrow?
2 possibilities I can think of without being at the intersection
1. Does Kansas use bimodal arrows, meaning green and yellow on the same lens?
2. Does the signal always turn to solid green immediately after the arrow is displayed? If so the yellow clearance arrow would not be needed at the right-turn movement would not need to be interrupted.
Quote from: Big John on November 03, 2013, 09:24:21 AM
Quote from: mrsman on November 03, 2013, 08:38:58 AM
What's very interesting to me at this intersection that you show (Antioch/College in Overland Park) is the use of a 4 section signal display on the right side. I know that it's for a right turn arrow that is in conjunction with a corresponding and non-conflicting left turn (no u-turn so no conflicts at all). But my question is why isn't there a 5th section for a yellow arrow?
2 possibilities I can think of without being at the intersection
1. Does Kansas use bimodal arrows, meaning green and yellow on the same lens?
2. Does the signal always turn to solid green immediately after the arrow is displayed? If so the yellow clearance arrow would not be needed at the right-turn movement would not need to be interrupted.
They are bimodal arrows. Many jurisdictions in Kansas actually use the five-lens configuration for protected/permissive left turn and right turn signals, but Overland Park and Lenexa both prefer the four-lens configuration for these, with the same arrow changing from green to yellow (and, to address the second question, the yellow right arrow is shown at exactly the same time as the yellow left arrow for the perpendicular direction).
On a side note, Overland Park and Lenexa are also using three-lens flashing yellow arrow signals for protected/permissive left turns, which of course requires a bimodal arrow, although examples of both the three-lens and four-lens configurations exist in Overland Park.
Quote from: Big John on November 03, 2013, 09:24:21 AM
Quote from: mrsman on November 03, 2013, 08:38:58 AM
What's very interesting to me at this intersection that you show (Antioch/College in Overland Park) is the use of a 4 section signal display on the right side. I know that it's for a right turn arrow that is in conjunction with a corresponding and non-conflicting left turn (no u-turn so no conflicts at all). But my question is why isn't there a 5th section for a yellow arrow?
2 possibilities I can think of without being at the intersection
1. Does Kansas use bimodal arrows, meaning green and yellow on the same lens?
2. Does the signal always turn to solid green immediately after the arrow is displayed? If so the yellow clearance arrow would not be needed at the right-turn movement would not need to be interrupted.
I see that stridentweasel has already answered my questions, but to address your response #2, I would think that the yellow clearance arrow would still be necessary. If the left turn arrow of Antioch to College went a)green arrow, b)yellow arrow, then c)red arrow and then College got the green, you are saying that the light facing College with a right turn to Antioch would show red light and green arrow during a) and b), and then go directly to green light during the c) phase. The problem with that approach is that you would need a yellow arrow to slow the right turn traffic, because during phase c), the right turners will have a green light, but they would still need to yield to pedestrians. (If pedestrian crossing were prohibited, then you can go directly from green right arrow to green light.)
But fortunately, as stridentweasel has explained, "They are bimodal arrows. Many jurisdictions in Kansas actually use the five-lens configuration for protected/permissive left turn and right turn signals, but Overland Park and Lenexa both prefer the four-lens configuration for these, with the same arrow changing from green to yellow."
Here is an international example. For some reason, the Philippines likes to copy the American traffic lights (or at least mimic).
Here's one in Manila on Espana Boulevard:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi31.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc372%2Fsuxinct%2Fespanya-1.jpg&hash=e1e86e6ffa6b491b1f324857e19f55e340fb81ae)
One in Batangas City:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.panoramio.com%2Fphotos%2Flarge%2F53167607.jpg&hash=2bc8ec19db82268306e7594edb4a2387f63f1da5)
There is also one city that mimics California traffic lights: Davao City, but they aren't illuminated like Manila.
Quote from: Lytton on December 09, 2013, 07:16:42 PM
Here is an international example. For some reason, the Philippines likes to copy the American traffic lights (or at least mimic).
Philippine traffic control devices in general tend to mimic American. What I don't like is how they don't always use the FHWA fonts I'm pretty sure they have. (They've also started using Clearview. :no:)
And while I'm here...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi902.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac228%2Fjesselton88%2FRizal%2520Park%2520And%2520Wham%2520Burger%2FPedXing2.jpg&hash=b25f4d379446b30dd2d8aadb93f8f836fc5ac4c8)
This is an illuminated pedestrian crossing sign near Rizal Park in the city of Manila. People were confused as to who this 'Ped Xing' person was, if he was some sort of Filipino-Chinese hero no one's ever heard of, etc.
Quote from: sammi on December 09, 2013, 07:30:23 PM
Quote from: Lytton on December 09, 2013, 07:16:42 PM
Here is an international example. For some reason, the Philippines likes to copy the American traffic lights (or at least mimic).
Philippine traffic control devices in general tend to mimic American. What I don't like is how they don't always use the FHWA fonts I'm pretty sure they have. (They've also started using Clearview. :no:)
And while I'm here...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi902.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac228%2Fjesselton88%2FRizal%2520Park%2520And%2520Wham%2520Burger%2FPedXing2.jpg&hash=b25f4d379446b30dd2d8aadb93f8f836fc5ac4c8)
This is an illuminated pedestrian crossing sign near Rizal Park in the city of Manila. People were confused as to who this 'Ped Xing' person was, if he was some sort of Filipino-Chinese hero no one's ever heard of, etc.
I always like the Philippines for their traffic control. It just seems so interesting to see American-like traffic lights in Asia.
I wonder if I should start a thread based around this.
Quote from: Lytton on December 09, 2013, 07:45:42 PM
I wonder if I should start a thread based around this.
Please do.
Quote from: sammi on December 09, 2013, 07:53:11 PM
Quote from: Lytton on December 09, 2013, 07:45:42 PM
I wonder if I should start a thread based around this.
Please do.
I will, but I am trying to decide on a title.
For some reason I thought maybe the Phillipines was a US posession. If that were true, I'd expect even more similarity to the rest of the US, like Puerto Rico. But apparently that hasn't been true in 70 years or so, and I don't think our MUTCD was very far along at that time. I guess we've had some parallel evolution since then...
Quote from: vtk on December 09, 2013, 10:20:20 PM
For some reason I thought maybe the Phillipines was a US posession. If that were true, I'd expect even more similarity to the rest of the US, like Puerto Rico. But apparently that hasn't been true in 70 years or so, and I don't think our MUTCD was very far along at that time. I guess we've had some parallel evolution since then...
Not parallel evolution, the Philippines borrows a lot from the US. But apparently, consistency is not one of them. Looking through the SHSM again, they actually have some MUTCD standard signs in both English and Tagalog, and some of them FHWA, some in Clearview.
Quote from: sammi on December 09, 2013, 10:30:41 PM
Quote from: vtk on December 09, 2013, 10:20:20 PM
For some reason I thought maybe the Phillipines was a US posession. If that were true, I'd expect even more similarity to the rest of the US, like Puerto Rico. But apparently that hasn't been true in 70 years or so, and I don't think our MUTCD was very far along at that time. I guess we've had some parallel evolution since then...
Not parallel evolution, the Philippines borrows a lot from the US. But apparently, consistency is not one of them. Looking through the SHSM again, they actually have some MUTCD standard signs in both English and Tagalog, and some of them FHWA, some in Clearview.
I think you should continue this discussion in the
other thread, including their process of sign evolution - e.g. do they peruse the latest editions and changes to our MUTCD?