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Title: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: golden eagle on April 28, 2012, 11:10:53 PM
Some portions of US 49 through Yazoo County, MS, has mile markers. I'm sure I've seen mile markers on other non-interstates before, but can't recall right off.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Brandon on April 28, 2012, 11:19:21 PM
Michigan has standard white-on-green milemarkers on US-131, US-127, M-39, M-10, M-14, and US-23.
IIRC, Indiana has them as well on US-31 and US-20, and IN-912.
Illinois does not.  Instead, Illinois uses their circular postmile-type markers.  However, when the East-West Tollway (I-88) was IL-5, it did have standard milemarkers, IIRC, marked from the beginning of IL-5, a bit west of the end of current I-88.
I also recall Wisconsin using standard milemarkers (US-51 and US-41 come to mind).
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: realjd on April 28, 2012, 11:20:27 PM
US1 through the Keys. Any toll freeway in Florida.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Takumi on April 28, 2012, 11:22:34 PM
VA 288
VA 33 between I-64 and West Point (surface road, mileage goes east to the bridge over the Pamunkey River)
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: ap70621 on April 28, 2012, 11:36:51 PM
New Jersey puts mile markers on all Interstates, U.S., state, and county highways.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Scott5114 on April 28, 2012, 11:39:08 PM
US 62, an expressway, has standard mile markers in southwestern Oklahoma, particularly between Altus and Lawton. Strange because Oklahoma typically doesn't post mile markers on anything but Interstates.

Kansas seems to post mini mile markers on all highways.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: huskeroadgeek on April 29, 2012, 12:27:04 AM
Nebraska posts mile markers on all state highways, although the markers on non-interstates are smaller in size than the ones on interstates.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: tdindy88 on April 29, 2012, 12:33:31 AM
Quote from: Brandon on April 28, 2012, 11:19:21 PM
IIRC, Indiana has them as well on US-31 and US-20, and IN-912.

US 41, SR 62 and SR 66 in the Evansville area has the blue ITS milemarkers in addition.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: KEVIN_224 on April 29, 2012, 12:55:19 AM
Connecticut seems to only have them on state routes if they're expressways, such as CT Route 9 from Old Saybrook to Farmington (MM 40 is right at the end, as the road splits for I-84/US 6 East (Exit 31) and West (Exit 32).
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: mcdonaat on April 29, 2012, 06:14:31 AM
Louisiana puts them on the state and US highways, but strangely enough, only in one direction. I think mile markers are getting more expensive to place, especially with the new tradition of pouring concrete before placing the sign
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: wytout on April 29, 2012, 07:03:02 AM
MA is a fan of them sporadically on surface US highways and major state routes.  MA is VERY consistent w/ them on all expressways regardless of status as Interstate, US highway, or State Route.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Beltway on April 29, 2012, 08:12:38 AM
Quote from: Takumi on April 28, 2012, 11:22:34 PM
VA 288
VA 33 between I-64 and West Point (surface road, mileage goes east to the bridge over the Pamunkey River)

VA-150
VA-895
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Darkchylde on April 29, 2012, 09:16:11 AM
I've only seen them on two non-Interstates over here, and maybe only one or two on the routes as well - one on LA 21 near Angie, and another on US 190 west of Covington.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: mukade on April 29, 2012, 10:08:42 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 29, 2012, 12:33:31 AM
Quote from: Brandon on April 28, 2012, 11:19:21 PM
IIRC, Indiana has them as well on US-31 and US-20, and IN-912.

US 41, SR 62 and SR 66 in the Evansville area has the blue ITS milemarkers in addition.

It definitely is not consistent in Indiana. Existing US 31 around Kokomo which is not a freeway also has the blue enhanced (.2 miles) mile markers. According to online plans, US 31 Hamilton County will also have these.

The new US 31 Kokomo and US 24 freeways have the standard green ones - I believe the INDOT standard is every half mile for freeways. I haven't seen the plans online for US 31 Plymouth to South Bend, but I assume it will be the same there.  SR 25 expressway plans show them every mile.

Every state highway in Indiana has the small blue ones with "0" being south and west.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: roadman65 on April 29, 2012, 10:11:49 AM
State highways in Georgia have them, but the reset at every county line.  Also, they are mileage for ONLY state designations.  For example, the independent section of US 301 in Charlton County has its mileposts to the FL Border along GA 23 that is US 301's secret route number there.   GA 23 parts from US 301 at Folkston and head into that section of Georgia that interlocks into Florida along the bend of the St. Mary's River.  Therefore its mileage to the Sunshine State is more than that of US 301, so it fools many when they enter the county from the north.

Only place I have seen mile markers to do this anywhere.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: CentralCAroadgeek on April 29, 2012, 11:47:40 AM
Here in California, the only highway that has the green mile markers is the non-interstate CA-58. I don't remember which county they are in, most likely Kern. All other highways use the white mile markers that measure mileage within a county.

On another note, California does have exit numbers on ALL freeways, which I really appreciate.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: NE2 on April 29, 2012, 12:13:30 PM
Osceola County, FL paints (or used to paint) mile numbers in yellow in the middle of the lane.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: blawp on April 29, 2012, 12:41:53 PM
California also has mile indications on the call boxes.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 29, 2012, 12:46:15 PM
US 460 on the Farmville Bypass
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: vdeane on April 29, 2012, 02:38:03 PM
NY puts mile markers on all freeways except I-481/NY 481 in Onondaga County.  We also have reference markers on all state-maintained roads that are functionally similar to California's post-mile system.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: kphoger on April 29, 2012, 02:52:39 PM
Blue freeway-style milemarker with shield on a non-freeway segmant of Kellogg (US 54/400) in Wichita:
http://g.co/maps/6dpzk
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: myosh_tino on April 29, 2012, 04:25:38 PM
Quote from: CentralCAroadgeek on April 29, 2012, 11:47:40 AM
Here in California, the only highway that has the green mile markers is the non-interstate CA-58. I don't remember which county they are in, most likely Kern. All other highways use the white mile markers that measure mileage within a county.
I believe there are green mile markers on the short segment of US 6 and on some county routes in San Diego County.  IIRC, these mile posts are also somewhat smaller than those used in other states.

Quote from: CentralCAroadgeek on April 29, 2012, 11:47:40 AM
On another note, California does will eventually have exit numbers on ALL freeways, which I really appreciate.
Fixed that for ya!  :-D
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: hbelkins on April 29, 2012, 05:08:20 PM
Kentucky, Ohio, West Virginia and Tennessee post them on state highways, and the markers reset at county lines. Illinois also has a system of mile markers that reset at county lines, and they serve as reassurance markers that tell you the route number and the county you're in.

Tennessee's are unique in that on US routes, they show the hidden state route numbers.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Beltway on April 29, 2012, 05:31:36 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 29, 2012, 08:12:38 AM
Quote from: Takumi on April 28, 2012, 11:22:34 PM
VA 288
VA 33 between I-64 and West Point (surface road, mileage goes east to the bridge over the Pamunkey River)

VA-150
VA-895

In the process of being posted on I-195 and VA-195.  Only a few on VA-195 so far, but it appears as if the whole route will start mileposting at the downtown I-95/VA-195 interchange, and follow VA-195 onto I-195, and end at the Bryan Park Interchange (I-95/I-64/I-195).

Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Takumi on April 29, 2012, 07:12:35 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 29, 2012, 05:31:36 PM
In the process of being posted on I-195 and VA-195.  Only a few on VA-195 so far, but it appears as if the whole route will start mileposting at the downtown I-95/VA-195 interchange, and follow VA-195 onto I-195, and end at the Bryan Park Interchange (I-95/I-64/I-195).

150 and 895 also share mileage, right?


Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Beltway on April 29, 2012, 09:46:11 PM
Quote from: Takumi on April 29, 2012, 07:12:35 PM
Quote from: Beltway on April 29, 2012, 05:31:36 PM
In the process of being posted on I-195 and VA-195.  Only a few on VA-195 so far, but it appears as if the whole route will start mileposting at the downtown I-95/VA-195 interchange, and follow VA-195 onto I-195, and end at the Bryan Park Interchange (I-95/I-64/I-195).

150 and 895 also share mileage, right?

Yes, starting at I-295 and advancing to VA-76.  And there are no plans to change the route to one number.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Eth on April 29, 2012, 10:19:02 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 29, 2012, 05:08:20 PM
Tennessee's are unique in that on US routes, they show the hidden state route numbers.

I've seen a (very) few in Georgia that show the state route number in small text underneath the mileage.  I seem to recall this happening somewhere on I-75, and indeed the text read "401".
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on April 29, 2012, 10:24:50 PM
VA 207 and parts of US 301 northeast of Bowling Green.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: sp_redelectric on April 30, 2012, 12:38:29 AM
Oregon puts mile markers on all state highways, Interstate, U.S., Oregon or "hidden".  A few counties - Clackamas and Multnomah in particular - do as well.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: BamaZeus on April 30, 2012, 11:30:56 AM
Alabama has mile markers on state and US highways
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: ftballfan on April 30, 2012, 06:07:33 PM
Quote from: Brandon on April 28, 2012, 11:19:21 PM
Michigan has standard white-on-green milemarkers on US-131, US-127, M-39, M-10, M-14, and US-23.
IIRC, Indiana has them as well on US-31 and US-20, and IN-912.
Illinois does not.  Instead, Illinois uses their circular postmile-type markers.  However, when the East-West Tollway (I-88) was IL-5, it did have standard milemarkers, IIRC, marked from the beginning of IL-5, a bit west of the end of current I-88.
I also recall Wisconsin using standard milemarkers (US-51 and US-41 come to mind).
For Michigan, add US-31, US-10, and M-6.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Bickendan on April 30, 2012, 06:53:26 PM
Quote from: sp_redelectric on April 30, 2012, 12:38:29 AM
Oregon puts mile markers on all state highways, Interstate, U.S., Oregon or "hidden".  A few counties - Clackamas and Multnomah in particular - do as well.
Milemarkers follow the internal Oregon Highways, though, not the signed Oregon Routes.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: bulldog1979 on April 30, 2012, 08:43:27 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on April 30, 2012, 06:07:33 PM
Quote from: Brandon on April 28, 2012, 11:19:21 PM
Michigan has standard white-on-green milemarkers on US-131, US-127, M-39, M-10, M-14, and US-23.
IIRC, Indiana has them as well on US-31 and US-20, and IN-912.
Illinois does not.  Instead, Illinois uses their circular postmile-type markers.  However, when the East-West Tollway (I-88) was IL-5, it did have standard milemarkers, IIRC, marked from the beginning of IL-5, a bit west of the end of current I-88.
I also recall Wisconsin using standard milemarkers (US-51 and US-41 come to mind).
For Michigan, add US-31, US-10, and M-6.
And the western section of US 2 along with the westernmost portion of the eastern segment. The markers end at the Dickinson—Menominee county line as I recall, and they included the mileage through Florence County, Wisconsin, in the measurements.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: kphoger on April 30, 2012, 09:34:41 PM
I despise, loathe, consider anathema any highway whose mileposts reset at each county line.  Kentucky, are you listening??

Illinois's highways, including its secondary state highway (federal aid) system, have unique mileposts which incorporate the route number–in the case of secondary highways, it is the hidden route number.  Here's an example from that wikisite...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2Fa%2Fa3%2FIL_126_Will_County_Mile_Marker_5.svg%2F451px-IL_126_Will_County_Mile_Marker_5.svg.png&hash=5cf7288c0c9ffc236834195cdb75b57c8988f9fa)
In this case, it would be on state highway 126, in Will County, 5 miles from the county line (grr..)
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on April 30, 2012, 10:13:16 PM
Ohio...
On the left, the older style with county designation and route number. On the right, no mention of county or route number. Has become the norm the last decade or so
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.roadfan.com%2Fcou_line.jpg&hash=1aee711f9d380ff1e1a511c8f09a2b0a208e1081)(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.roadfan.com%2Fstate1.jpg&hash=aa563c96c2704820c6bdaf4a5d56c95df2b1526f)
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Revive 755 on April 30, 2012, 11:05:02 PM
Quote from: Brandon on April 28, 2012, 11:19:21 PM
Illinois does not.  Instead, Illinois uses their circular postmile-type markers.  However, when the East-West Tollway (I-88) was IL-5, it did have standard milemarkers, IIRC, marked from the beginning of IL-5, a bit west of the end of current I-88.

There are the closer to standard green mile markers on the Elign - O'Hare and on the US 41/Edens for a short distance north of where I-94 splits off to join the Tri-State.

Missouri does not do mile markers on non-interstates excpet for a few freeways, such as MO 364, MO 370, and more recently MO 21/Blood Alley Freeway.   I think there may be a few around Kansas City on a freeway (US 169?) also.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: PHLBOS on May 01, 2012, 07:42:21 PM
PA uses them on most freeways that run roughly 5 miles or longer.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: 1995hoo on May 01, 2012, 08:24:27 PM
The last time I drove on the Prince William Parkway in Virginia (it was then a secondary route; it's now part of the primary system) I noticed it had kilometre posts along part of the route, although they incorrectly abbreviated it as "KM" instead of the proper "km" (capitalization matters with SI units). I found it odd because a stupid state statute prohibits use of public funds for SI signage.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: froggie on May 01, 2012, 11:47:40 PM
QuoteAlabama has mile markers on state and US highways

Moreso state highways than US highways.  And the reason I say this is because A) every US highway in Alabama has an underlying state highway, and B) the milemarkers are for those underlying state highways.  This is the reason that you'll see two "Milepost 3"s on US 45, for example.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: brownpelican on May 02, 2012, 01:28:41 AM
Quote from: mcdonaat on April 29, 2012, 06:14:31 AM
Louisiana puts them on the state and US highways, but strangely enough, only in one direction. I think mile markers are getting more expensive to place, especially with the new tradition of pouring concrete before placing the sign

There's a few remaining on major STATE highways too...but they're slowing dying out.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: roadfro on May 02, 2012, 05:57:57 AM
Nevada only uses MUTCD-style reference posts on Interstates. NDOT uses milepost panels similar to California's postmile system, with resets at county lines.

Quote from: myosh_tino on April 29, 2012, 04:25:38 PM
Quote from: CentralCAroadgeek on April 29, 2012, 11:47:40 AM
Here in California, the only highway that has the green mile markers is the non-interstate CA-58. I don't remember which county they are in, most likely Kern. All other highways use the white mile markers that measure mileage within a county.
I believe there are green mile markers on the short segment of US 6 and on some county routes in San Diego County.  IIRC, these mile posts are also somewhat smaller than those used in other states.

Confirmed...at least on US 6 from NV state line to CA 120.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: cpzilliacus on May 04, 2012, 08:32:51 AM
Md. Route 200 (InterCounty Connector) has them every 1/10th of a mile (as do most other highways and crossings in the MdTA network).
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: golden eagle on May 10, 2012, 01:38:46 AM
I did notice a mile marker on US 51 just in front of the Ridgeland city hall. I wonder if this is some sort of experiment.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: roadman65 on May 23, 2012, 08:21:07 PM
I saw that US 27 had them a few years back in 08 when I traveled it leaving South Florida. It was between I-75 in Broward County to either the Palm Beach County Line or maybe South Bay.  I cannot remember how far north they were installed up to, but a rarity in Florida except for US 1 in the Keys.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: ShawnP on May 26, 2012, 10:17:28 AM
US 71 in KC had them well before the upgrade to I-49.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on May 26, 2012, 10:49:17 AM
Colorado and New Mexico use standard green mileposts - mostly with MILE on the top - for all state highways, originating at south or west terminus of the highway. Arizona has a similar style, but the origin tends to be a west or south state border via other routes. Wyoming seems to post segments of highway, so for instance when you turn off I-25 onto U.S. 20 east, that is mile zero. (No, it's not due to the overlay with U.S. 18 because it continues beyond where 18 turns off). Wyoming also has correction points in its system; you will see two posts side by side with different mileages - usually differing by a few hundredths of a mile - and the notation AH or BH on each below (Ahead or Behind). Then there's Texas, with subtle reference markers usually on the back of a sign for the other direction of traffic. The origin point for all its highways is somewhere near Taos NM where the north and west boundaries extended would meet.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: golden eagle on May 26, 2012, 11:22:58 AM
Kinda off the subject a bit...is there any state that sign mile markers at the rate Missouri does, doing it ever .2 of a mile?
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Alps on May 26, 2012, 12:21:43 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on May 26, 2012, 11:22:58 AM
Kinda off the subject a bit...is there any state that sign mile markers at the rate Missouri does, doing it ever .2 of a mile?
Ohio does, and Kentucky considered it back when they (together with Indiana) trialled the enhanced mile markers with the shields inside.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: froggie on May 26, 2012, 03:49:48 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on May 26, 2012, 11:22:58 AM
Kinda off the subject a bit...is there any state that sign mile markers at the rate Missouri does, doing it ever .2 of a mile?

Vermont does...and even one better on the Interstates:  every 0.05 mile.  However, the milemarkers on the non-Interstates reset at the town lines.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Beltway on May 26, 2012, 08:26:55 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 26, 2012, 03:49:48 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on May 26, 2012, 11:22:58 AM
Kinda off the subject a bit...is there any state that sign mile markers at the rate Missouri does, doing it ever .2 of a mile?

Vermont does...and even one better on the Interstates:  every 0.05 mile.  However, the milemarkers on the non-Interstates reset at the town lines.

I prefer the 0.1 posts over the 0.2 posts.

528 feet is a more human scale than 1,056 feet, for people in stopped vehicles or on foot.  I can read the sign from 528 feet, but not from the latter.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: golden eagle on May 26, 2012, 10:53:21 PM
In Nashville, Briley Parkway (TN 155) is signed every two-tenths of a mile in the median, but have the standard green mile markers on the outside lanes every mile.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: SSOWorld on May 28, 2012, 02:32:32 AM
Wisconsin has standard white-on-green on all interstates except I-535 and select other routes. No 2 lane highway has any.  The routes (outside interstates) that have them are.  Routes with mile markers are the only ones that have exit numbers.

US 12 (The Lake Geneva stub and the Beltline in Madison)
US 41 (Milwaukee to Marinette)
US 45 (West Bend to US 41 - It actually shares the same mileage with US-41)
US 141 (4-lane portion between Green Bay and Coleman (WIS 64),
US 51 (4 lane portion up to US 8 - Ironically I-39's mile markers actually are for US 51)
US 53 (from I-94 in Eau Claire to Rice lake only (the rest does not - even the at-grade 4 lane north of Rice lake including the freeway stretch SE of Superior)
US 151 (4 lane portions west of CTH Q near Fond du Lac (The FDL bypass itself does not have any)) to Dubuque.
WIS 29 (betwen I-94 and US 41)

The freeway/expressway US 10, WIS 441, WIS 172, WIS 30, US 14's portions and WIS 145 do not have mile markers.

Around cities there are white-on-blue markers with the shield of the highway's mileage in the median counting by .2  Metropolitan I know of that have them are Madison, Milwaukee (though portions have green backgrounds), Wausau, Green Bay, Appleton and Oshkosh

Iowa has mile markers on interstates (the standard) and from what I saw - U.S. routes either standard or small white on green (with a small shield indicating the route number for the mileage above the numbers.  Most freeways have exit numbers though not all (The viaduct in Dubuque doesn't)
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: ftballfan on May 28, 2012, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on May 26, 2012, 11:22:58 AM
Kinda off the subject a bit...is there any state that sign mile markers at the rate Missouri does, doing it ever .2 of a mile?
Michigan does it on the recently rebuilt section of I-196 in Grand Rapids.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: KEK Inc. on May 28, 2012, 05:22:46 PM
Washington does on most 1-2 digit state routes.  Washington for some reason doesn't use exit numbers on 3-digit state routes. 
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: deathtopumpkins on May 28, 2012, 08:31:39 PM
Every state/US highway that I have driven in Massachusetts (which includes most of eastern half of the state) has standard mile markers every tenth of a mile, though I've heard that some in the western part of the state lack them.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: golden eagle on May 29, 2012, 08:59:25 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 26, 2012, 03:49:48 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on May 26, 2012, 11:22:58 AM
Kinda off the subject a bit...is there any state that sign mile markers at the rate Missouri does, doing it ever .2 of a mile?

Vermont does...and even one better on the Interstates:  every 0.05 mile.  However, the milemarkers on the non-Interstates reset at the town lines.

I was on US 45 in Tennessee and I saw where the mile marker was reset at county lines.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: kphoger on May 29, 2012, 09:04:34 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on May 29, 2012, 08:59:25 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 26, 2012, 03:49:48 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on May 26, 2012, 11:22:58 AM
Kinda off the subject a bit...is there any state that sign mile markers at the rate Missouri does, doing it ever .2 of a mile?

Vermont does...and even one better on the Interstates:  every 0.05 mile.  However, the milemarkers on the non-Interstates reset at the town lines.

I was on US 45 in Tennessee and I saw where the mile marker was reset at county lines.

This practice annoys me.  Kentucky does it too.  Especially since I see mile markers as an aid for calls to 911, I wish there weren't five different occurrences of MM 2 along one route.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: hbelkins on May 30, 2012, 09:44:35 AM
Quote from: kphoger on May 29, 2012, 09:04:34 PM
This practice annoys me.  Kentucky does it too.  Especially since I see mile markers as an aid for calls to 911, I wish there weren't five different occurrences of MM 2 along one route.

In Kentucky, 911 calls go to the county dispatcher, so this is not a problem.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: kphoger on May 30, 2012, 10:41:20 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 30, 2012, 09:44:35 AM
Quote from: kphoger on May 29, 2012, 09:04:34 PM
This practice annoys me.  Kentucky does it too.  Especially since I see mile markers as an aid for calls to 911, I wish there weren't five different occurrences of MM 2 along one route.

In Kentucky, 911 calls go to the county dispatcher, so this is not a problem.

I would not trust my cell phone provider to route my call to the correct county if I were near the county line.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Special K on June 01, 2012, 08:14:50 AM
Quote from: Master son on May 28, 2012, 02:32:32 AM
Iowa has mile markers on interstates (the standard) and from what I saw - U.S. routes either standard or small white on green (with a small shield indicating the route number for the mileage above the numbers.  Most freeways have exit numbers though not all (The viaduct in Dubuque doesn't)

Iowa will use the MUTCD standard reference location sign with 10-inch numerals for any 4-lane divided roadway and the smaller 6-inch numeral for conventional state highways.  Additionally, for expressway/freeway, each 1/20th mile delineator will feature a milepoint plaque attached.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: US71 on June 01, 2012, 09:26:11 AM
Quote from: golden eagle on May 29, 2012, 08:59:25 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 26, 2012, 03:49:48 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on May 26, 2012, 11:22:58 AM
Kinda off the subject a bit...is there any state that sign mile markers at the rate Missouri does, doing it ever .2 of a mile?

Vermont does...and even one better on the Interstates:  every 0.05 mile.  However, the milemarkers on the non-Interstates reset at the town lines.

I was on US 45 in Tennessee and I saw where the mile marker was reset at county lines.

Arkansas does that on their US and State Routes.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: ftballfan on June 01, 2012, 11:17:35 AM
Quote from: kphoger on May 30, 2012, 10:41:20 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 30, 2012, 09:44:35 AM
Quote from: kphoger on May 29, 2012, 09:04:34 PM
This practice annoys me.  Kentucky does it too.  Especially since I see mile markers as an aid for calls to 911, I wish there weren't five different occurrences of MM 2 along one route.

In Kentucky, 911 calls go to the county dispatcher, so this is not a problem.

I would not trust my cell phone provider to route my call to the correct county if I were near the county line.
In Georgia, my family's car broke down right near a county line. My father called 911 and it went to the county we had just left, not the county we were in.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 01, 2012, 11:26:44 AM
Quote from: ftballfan on June 01, 2012, 11:17:35 AM

In Georgia, my family's car broke down right near a county line. My father called 911 and it went to the county we had just left, not the county we were in.

hmm, is 911 the appropriate number to call in that situation?  unless the car is obstructing traffic or otherwise a hazard, I'd call AAA. 

if no AAA membership, and no smartphone to look up a tow truck, I'd call 411.  if no 411 service, I'd flag someone down.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: kphoger on June 01, 2012, 02:18:43 PM
You can just dial 9-1-1 and say it's a non-emergency call, then ask the police dispatcher how to proceed.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: deathtopumpkins on June 02, 2012, 10:50:51 AM
Quote from: kphoger on June 01, 2012, 02:18:43 PM
You can just dial 9-1-1 and say it's a non-emergency call, then ask the police dispatcher how to proceed.

Don't most communities have a separate non-emergency number? Everywhere I've lived does.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Alps on June 02, 2012, 01:46:04 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 02, 2012, 10:50:51 AM
Quote from: kphoger on June 01, 2012, 02:18:43 PM
You can just dial 9-1-1 and say it's a non-emergency call, then ask the police dispatcher how to proceed.

Don't most communities have a separate non-emergency number? Everywhere I've lived does.
Yes, but if you're traveling, how do you know?
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: roadfro on June 02, 2012, 02:22:25 PM
Quote from: Steve on June 02, 2012, 01:46:04 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 02, 2012, 10:50:51 AM
Quote from: kphoger on June 01, 2012, 02:18:43 PM
You can just dial 9-1-1 and say it's a non-emergency call, then ask the police dispatcher how to proceed.

Don't most communities have a separate non-emergency number? Everywhere I've lived does.
Yes, but if you're traveling, how do you know?

Especially since it's not a uniform number. Several major cities have 3-1-1, but in many communities you'd have to look up the 7-digit non-emergency dispatch number.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: deathtopumpkins on June 04, 2012, 09:41:48 PM
My point exactly. I know people back in Virginia who have gotten hung up on for unnecessarily dialing 911 instead of the non-emergency number.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: US71 on June 04, 2012, 10:11:25 PM
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Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: 1995hoo on June 05, 2012, 09:28:07 AM
Quote from: roadfro on June 02, 2012, 02:22:25 PM
Quote from: Steve on June 02, 2012, 01:46:04 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 02, 2012, 10:50:51 AM
Quote from: kphoger on June 01, 2012, 02:18:43 PM
You can just dial 9-1-1 and say it's a non-emergency call, then ask the police dispatcher how to proceed.

Don't most communities have a separate non-emergency number? Everywhere I've lived does.
Yes, but if you're traveling, how do you know?

Especially since it's not a uniform number. Several major cities have 3-1-1, but in many communities you'd have to look up the 7-digit non-emergency dispatch number.

Yup. In Fairfax County it's 703-691-2131, and you have to dial the area code due to the 571 "overlay" area code that means we have to dial ten digits for every call. Thirty years ago it seemed like most people knew of that number and the fire department routinely gave out orange stickers to put on your home phone with the info, but nowadays when I've heard the police mention that number at community meetings people have been surprised to learn it exists. I think the orange stickers were dropped around the time when phones with the capability to store numbers became available. Thirty years ago people still rented their phones from the phone company and a lot of people had rotary phones.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Takumi on June 05, 2012, 12:16:26 PM
^ In my house is a rotary phone from the days my grandparents lived there, with the house's old phone number with the 703 area code. It's amazing that in 40 years, the 703 area code has gone from being used for the entire state of Virginia to a very small area of it, and overlaid with another number at that.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: golden eagle on June 05, 2012, 06:47:00 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on May 26, 2012, 11:22:58 AM
Kinda off the subject a bit...is there any state that sign mile markers at the rate Missouri does, doing it ever .2 of a mile?

I do seem to recall Briley Parkway in Nashville doing this too.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Brandon on June 20, 2012, 07:24:07 AM
Illinois does have them on the Elgin-O'Hare Expressway, albeit without exit numbers.

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Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: codyg1985 on June 20, 2012, 07:42:21 AM
Quote from: golden eagle on June 05, 2012, 06:47:00 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on May 26, 2012, 11:22:58 AM
Kinda off the subject a bit...is there any state that sign mile markers at the rate Missouri does, doing it ever .2 of a mile?

I do seem to recall Briley Parkway in Nashville doing this too.

But Tennessee doesn't sign them in rural areas like Missouri does.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: roadman65 on June 22, 2012, 08:41:41 AM
The Taconic State Parkway  in NYS now has them in Dutchess County every tenth of a mile to conform to MUTCD's new practice.  There is even a little TSP shield inside the whole mile posts.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: US71 on June 22, 2012, 09:06:03 AM
US 65 in Missouri has them every 2/10 mile between the Arkansas State Line and Buffalo, where the expressway segment ends.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: cpzilliacus on June 22, 2012, 09:17:26 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 05, 2012, 09:28:07 AM
Quote from: roadfro on June 02, 2012, 02:22:25 PM
Quote from: Steve on June 02, 2012, 01:46:04 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 02, 2012, 10:50:51 AM
Quote from: kphoger on June 01, 2012, 02:18:43 PM
You can just dial 9-1-1 and say it's a non-emergency call, then ask the police dispatcher how to proceed.

Don't most communities have a separate non-emergency number? Everywhere I've lived does.
Yes, but if you're traveling, how do you know?

Especially since it's not a uniform number. Several major cities have 3-1-1, but in many communities you'd have to look up the 7-digit non-emergency dispatch number.

Yup. In Fairfax County it's 703-691-2131, and you have to dial the area code due to the 571 "overlay" area code that means we have to dial ten digits for every call. Thirty years ago it seemed like most people knew of that number and the fire department routinely gave out orange stickers to put on your home phone with the info, but nowadays when I've heard the police mention that number at community meetings people have been surprised to learn it exists. I think the orange stickers were dropped around the time when phones with the capability to store numbers became available. Thirty years ago people still rented their phones from the phone company and a lot of people had rotary phones.

Maryland and Virginia also have a non-emergency #77 for contact with the closest state police barrack (Md.) or dispatch center (Va.), though they don't mind (and probably appreciate) calls regarding on-freeway emergencies (I've used it to report crashes with injury and vehicle fires).

In some parts of Maryland (such as crossing the Chesapeake Bay Bridge and along I-95 and I-895 in Baltimore City), #77 gets you the Maryland Transportation Authority Police.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: doorknob60 on June 24, 2012, 10:47:49 PM
Oregon has them on most (if not all) US and State highways, and some other non state highways have them too, though that's kinda unpredictable and I can't think of any good examples right now. Well, one example is the Cascade Lakes Highway, that has mile markers, although I think that's still technically a state highway, even though it's unnumbered (but maybe only for part of it, like from Bend to Mt. Bachelor, not sure to be honest).
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: the49erfan15 on June 25, 2012, 12:52:03 AM
I can't find any pics, but US 278 on Hilton Head Island, SC has them.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: nwi_navigator_1181 on June 25, 2012, 01:08:04 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on April 29, 2012, 12:33:31 AM
Quote from: Brandon on April 28, 2012, 11:19:21 PM
IIRC, Indiana has them as well on US-31 and US-20, and IN-912.

US 41, SR 62 and SR 66 in the Evansville area has the blue ITS milemarkers in addition.

The Lake County Portion of U.S. 30 has the blue mileposts, as well. It's very inconsistent, since as soon as you cross into Porter County, it reverts to the smaller, harder-to-read blue mile markers.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: swbrotha100 on June 25, 2012, 02:40:46 PM
Every interstate, US and state highway has mile markers. Almost every state or US highway has exit numbers in its freeway portions. Even a few sections of non freeway have an exit number listed at a grade-separated interchange.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Alps on June 25, 2012, 09:08:19 PM
Quote from: swbrotha100 on June 25, 2012, 02:40:46 PM
Every interstate, US and state highway has mile markers. Almost every state or US highway has exit numbers in its freeway portions. Even a few sections of non freeway have an exit number listed at a grade-separated interchange.
You make these broad assertions that just aren't true. Many highways - even rural Interstates - lack the most basic mileposts. Certainly US and state highways can go for miles on end without one posted. Many states do not number freeway exits on non-Interstates, especially short segments - CA is one of the only exceptions. So which state are you talking about? If it's only Arizona, then just state it that way.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: swbrotha100 on June 25, 2012, 10:52:11 PM
Quote from: Steve on June 25, 2012, 09:08:19 PM
Quote from: swbrotha100 on June 25, 2012, 02:40:46 PM
Every interstate, US and state highway has mile markers. Almost every state or US highway has exit numbers in its freeway portions. Even a few sections of non freeway have an exit number listed at a grade-separated interchange.
You make these broad assertions that just aren't true. Many highways - even rural Interstates - lack the most basic mileposts. Certainly US and state highways can go for miles on end without one posted. Many states do not number freeway exits on non-Interstates, especially short segments - CA is one of the only exceptions. So which state are you talking about? If it's only Arizona, then just state it that way.

Oops. Sorry about that. Yes, I was specifically referring to Arizona.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: kphoger on June 27, 2012, 05:29:56 PM
In Wichita, freeways have blue mileposts every 2/10 mile.  Here's one on the Kellogg (US-54/US-400) freeway near my house:
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Here's a closer shot of one on KS-96:
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They even have them on non-freeway portions of Kellogg.  See these examples:
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And then, there are even "mileposts" (without actual mileage) on ramps between highways:
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Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Road Hog on June 29, 2012, 07:39:33 AM
Texas has them on all roads (even on FM roads), usually accompanying reassurance markers. Here is an example of one:

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I haven't figured out yet the rhyme or reason to the mileages, however. They don't seem to have a zero point or the zero point is a long way away.

I do know TxDOT usually places them two miles apart on alternating sides of the road, or four miles apart on one side.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 29, 2012, 12:28:52 PM
I wonder if there are any four-digit mileposts in Texas.  IIRC, US-67 starts something in the 980s.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: roadfro on June 29, 2012, 07:35:05 PM
I recall reading somewhere (possibly the "Roadgeek" Yahoo group) that Texas reference markers are derived based on the road starting point along a N/S or E/W statewide grid reference.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: on_wisconsin on June 29, 2012, 07:50:43 PM
Quote from: Master son on May 28, 2012, 02:32:32 AM
Around cities there are white-on-blue markers with the shield of the highway's mileage in the median counting by .2  Metropolitan I know of that have them are Madison, Milwaukee (though portions have green backgrounds), Wausau, Green Bay, Appleton and Oshkosh
US 53 around the Eau Claire area has them as well.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Alps on June 29, 2012, 08:46:00 PM
Quote from: roadfro on June 29, 2012, 07:35:05 PM
I recall reading somewhere (possibly the "Roadgeek" Yahoo group) that Texas reference markers are derived based on the road starting point along a N/S or E/W statewide grid reference.
You can actually get that info from Texas. They do set grid points throughout the state, so it's an absolute reference and not related to the beginning of the route.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: pj3970 on July 04, 2012, 01:13:30 AM
Quote from: US71 on June 22, 2012, 09:06:03 AM
US 65 in Missouri has them every 2/10 mile between the Arkansas State Line and Buffalo, where the expressway segment ends.

About time, too...I for one am glad to see them, now if they could do that on US 60 then I would be estatic
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: roadman65 on July 05, 2012, 04:30:58 AM
The Garden State Parkway not only has them every tenth of a mile, but their whole mile markers are in squares with the numbers horizontal instead of the traditional way of up to down with the numbers.  Only road that I know of that signs them this way other than NYS reference markers.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Road Hog on July 05, 2012, 07:13:43 AM
Here's a funky one: The Dallas North Tollway has markers along the concrete median at 500-foot intervals, but they're simply reference numbers, not miles. The exits are unnumbered. All I know is it's 32 miles from U.S. 380 to where the tollway lets out at I-35E in downtown Dallas.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: kphoger on July 05, 2012, 01:22:08 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 05, 2012, 04:30:58 AM
The Garden State Parkway not only has them every tenth of a mile, but their whole mile markers are in squares with the numbers horizontal instead of the traditional way of up to down with the numbers.  Only road that I know of that signs them this way other than NYS reference markers.

Iillinois's mileposts have horizontal numbers.  There's an example of one I posted a couple of pages upthread.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Alps on July 11, 2012, 08:34:52 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 05, 2012, 04:30:58 AM
The Garden State Parkway not only has them every tenth of a mile, but their whole mile markers are in squares with the numbers horizontal instead of the traditional way of up to down with the numbers.  Only road that I know of that signs them this way other than NYS reference markers.
Actually trapezoidal, not rectangular. The Turnpike nominally uses rectangles that are even smaller, but tend to just post the tenth-mile markers with a ".0"
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fnj%2Fgsp%2Fmile.jpg&hash=8e6ed05dc91d0a69990dba2f55590132e1b12c8e) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fnj%2Fi-95%2Fwnm1.jpg&hash=8d92e3a7f4fe3ada389bf3da9446f0295d55b040)
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: sp_redelectric on July 11, 2012, 11:42:16 PM
Quote from: doorknob60 on June 24, 2012, 10:47:49 PMOregon has them on most (if not all) US and State highways, and some other non state highways have them too, though that's kinda unpredictable and I can't think of any good examples right now.

Clackamas County and Multnomah County are pretty good about placing mileposts on the major county roads.  Multnomah County, on Cornelius Pass Road, has 1/2 mile mileposts.  Washington County does not (although some mileposts still exist on roads that are former ODOT roads, such as Farmington Road and Scholls Ferry Road, but many are missing.)  I want to say Polk County has mileposts too.  But Yamhill and Marion County do not.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: Road Hog on July 12, 2012, 12:54:19 AM
Quote from: Steve on June 29, 2012, 08:46:00 PM
Quote from: roadfro on June 29, 2012, 07:35:05 PM
I recall reading somewhere (possibly the "Roadgeek" Yahoo group) that Texas reference markers are derived based on the road starting point along a N/S or E/W statewide grid reference.
You can actually get that info from Texas. They do set grid points throughout the state, so it's an absolute reference and not related to the beginning of the route.

Here is the TxDOT page regarding milepost reference points:

http://onlinemanuals.txdot.gov/txdotmanuals/trm/reference_markers_coordinates.htm

Clear as mud to me.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: hotdogPi on August 13, 2013, 07:29:18 PM
US 1 in Massachusetts
US 3 in Massachusetts
US 4 in New Hampshire
MA 28
MA 62 (every 2 miles instead of .2)
MA 110 (some parts)
MA 114
MA 125 (some parts)
MA 128
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: mUtcd33 on August 13, 2013, 08:02:46 PM
US-6 (and US-6N) through Northern Pennsylvania has those "Do 6" mile-markers on them, at least in rural areas (I'm not sure if they're present in boroughs/cities though)
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: deathtopumpkins on August 13, 2013, 08:46:07 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 13, 2013, 07:29:18 PM
US 1 in Massachusetts
US 3 in Massachusetts
US 4 in New Hampshire
MA 28
MA 62 (every 2 miles instead of .2)
MA 110 (some parts)
MA 114
MA 125 (some parts)
MA 128

To expand on this, MA as policy posts mile markers on all state-maintained roads. Some are missing, particularly on urban and minor roads, but the vast majority of state highways have them.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: rarnold on August 13, 2013, 09:27:14 PM
Iowa places exit numbers on a lot of the long-distance US or state highway four-lane segments: US 20, US 30, US 34, US 61, US 63, Avenue of the Saints (IA 27), Des Moines Outer Loop (IA 5, US 65) IA 60, IA 141, IA 163. I am not sure about IA 330.

Iowa also does a good job posting mile markers on state and federal highways, some markers being replaced with Clearview (puke) recently.
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: lordsutch on August 13, 2013, 10:06:45 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on July 12, 2012, 12:54:19 AM
Here is the TxDOT page regarding milepost reference points:

http://onlinemanuals.txdot.gov/txdotmanuals/trm/reference_markers_coordinates.htm

Clear as mud to me.

It's not that complex.  Basically reference markers are set based on miles south and east of a hypothetical origin point 10 miles west and 10 miles north of the most extreme west and northernmost points in Texas (it works out to be somewhere NNW of Albuquerque); the first marker is at the northernmost or westernmost point of the route based on that grid.  Then each subsequent marker is 2 miles east or south of the previous marker.  This is why exit numbers on SH 130 increase as you go south.

Interstates don't do this; instead they're numbered traditionally starting at zero per MUTCD rules (south/west for 2dis, or following the spur and loop rules).
Title: Re: Mile markers on non-interstates
Post by: mapman1071 on August 13, 2013, 11:21:52 PM
Quote from: realjd on April 28, 2012, 11:20:27 PM
US1 through the Keys. Any toll freeway in Florida.

US1 Mile Markers In The Keys also correspond to Mail/Street Addresses of residents and businesses for example 2750 Highway 1 or 2750 Overseas Highway would be located between MM27 and MM28