Just about all the toll roads in the state of texas are just loops or spur routes. I was just wondering if you think these type of toll roads are good idea's or waste's of money. The only real toll road in texas i know of that get's you a greater distance is Camino Colombia Toll Road and that is a 2-lane highway
There's no point to toll a bypass. It just encourages people to go straight through the already congested area.
Because of current laws, you can't toll the thruway and make the bypass free to alleviate congestion.
All the tolls in Texas, the E-470 in Colorado, or even the I-287 in New York are all flawed thinking.
Also, the Camino Columbia toll road in Texas acts as a direct detour for commercial traffic into Mexico, especially HAZMAT loads.
Sykotyk
How could the Dallas North Tollway or the PGBT be 'flawed thinking'?
Tolling on I-287 in New York?
QuoteTolling on I-287 in New York?
I think Sykotyk is referring to the section of I-287 that is multiplexed with its parent I-87 on the New York State Thruway including the Tappan Zee Bridge.
Oh. I thought he was referring to how trucks have to pay a toll on that multiplexed section.
Tolls roads are needed to construct roads. Too bad the effect on downtown is near zero, since, as said, people will take the existing route through downtown (which is usually shorter too). Toll Roads are only improving traffic that moves around suburban areas.
How congested is the Hardy Toll Road in Houston actually? Seems like a good alternative to the I-45, if only it reached downtown...
When Texas Toll 130 is completed, it will provide a long distance bypass of Austin and that terrible double-deck section with its bottlenecks. The route will cost a pretty penny too.
QuoteHow congested is the Hardy Toll Road in Houston actually? Seems like a good alternative to the I-45, if only it reached downtown...
Plans are already in the works to extend the Hardy Toll Road downtown, where it will connect with the Eastex Freeway (US 59) near I-10. Construction will start in August 2009 with completion sometime in 2011.
"When Texas Toll 130 is completed, it will provide a long distance bypass of Austin and that terrible double-deck section with its bottlenecks. The route will cost a pretty penny too" :aaroads
yeah that is one toll road in texas that acually get you a further distance
Referring to Texas a new bill has been passed allowing the tolling of "state highways" in which the number of free lanes must be maintained as before(I'm assuming by the frontage roads) http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4090 (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4090)
Push back in the land of toll roads ... er, I mean North Texas:
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/transportation/20141113-north-texas-transportation-planners-shift-away-from-toll-projects.ece
QuoteThe Regional Transportation Council on Thursday excluded a controversial rural toll road from its long-range plan and dropped efforts to involve the state Transportation Department in financing the divisive Trinity Parkway toll project. Those votes highlight a shift away from the planning entity's years-long practice of using tolls to finance road construction as state lawmakers repeatedly failed to solve transportation funding shortfalls. The moves also come amid mounting public opposition to toll roads in North Texas, where virtually every major highway project under construction includes tolling. The region will soon be home to the nation's largest network of managed toll lanes, which are being added to existing highways to help add capacity and finance renovations or expansions.
QuoteTexas voters last week agreed by a nearly 4-1 ratio to give TxDOT about $1.7 billion a year in additional funding, with the caveat that the new money could not be used on toll projects. That still leaves TxDOT with an estimated $3.3 billion shortfall that the agency says it needs to maintain existing roads and build more to keep up with expected population growth.
QuoteThe North Central Texas Council of Government's transportation department, which executes the RTC's policies, originally recommended putting the divisive Northeast Gateway toll road into a long-range transportation plan. NCTCOG staffers rescinded that recommendation amid massive opposition to the project and criticism over how the agency managed public information about it. The road was planned to run from Garland to Greenville. Residents criticized NCTCOG for basing its support for the road on traffic estimates that far outpaced population growth projections. The project remains an "area of study" in the plan.
QuoteNCTCOG staffers had also recommended lobbying state lawmakers to give TxDOT the authority to find a private developer to help finance the Trinity Parkway tollway. They backed away from that proposal after Texas Transportation Commission member Victor Vandergriff said he didn't want the agency involved in the controversial project. Dallas and North Texas Tollway Authority have an agreement to build that road, which would mostly run inside the Trinity River's levees. But more than $1 billion in funding needed for the $1.5 billion project has yet to be identified. Traffic estimates used to justify that road have also been criticized. But many Trinity opponents also say that the project will further subsidize suburban sprawl to the detriment of Dallas' downtown core. And they say it is incompatible with planned lakes, parks and recreational areas the city plans to put along the road and the Trinity River.
Here is something I thought was interesting. You can connect the dots too. Look up Trans Texas Corridor. And Let me show you a map here that I connected the 35 TTC would be like.
If you connect TX 225 to Tx 130. Then Connect 130 to Future Loop 9 and the PGBT and then to the Future Grayson County Toll Road to the Oklahoma Border. You get this. I also thought that I-69 would be a Texas Turnpike at first so here it is on a map. (Also Marking the old route around Houston Via TX 99)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc01.deviantart.net%2Ffs70%2Ff%2F2014%2F331%2F5%2F0%2Fttc_by_simguy1234-d87w56m.png&hash=35275398f4b794cb94bbb36ec8b98563e25121fc)
Also One more thing. I think Austin will have the most toll roads then any large city in texas. Just look at this video
Here is there next project
Pretty sure Houston wins for most toll roads, at least in terms of mileage, with over 175 miles open to traffic, 43 more under construction, and around 100 more scheduled to start construction in the next 5 years. And that's not counting express lanes or the extension of SH 249 to College Station. DFW and Austin are pretty close in terms of mileage, though that's mostly due to the extra 40 miles of SH 130 south of SH 45, which is a bit of a reach to call part of the Austin area. This is not counting tolled express lanes. If you factor in the completed, started, and soon to start express lanes, DFW would pull far ahead of Austin.
Guys. There is plans in the works for the Alliance Gateway Freeway SH170/ Loop 9/ the new SH360 etc. You can find some of the info at nctcog.org for the Dallas Area
Quote from: Guysdrive780 on November 27, 2014, 06:23:59 PM
Also One more thing. I think Austin will have the most toll roads then any large city in texas.
Maybe not the most, but certainly the most without a free expressway/freeway alternative.
Quote from: Marc on December 02, 2014, 12:29:20 AM
Quote from: Guysdrive780 on November 27, 2014, 06:23:59 PM
Also One more thing. I think Austin will have the most toll roads then any large city in texas.
Maybe not the most, but certainly the most without a free expressway/freeway alternative.
Almost certainly the most toll roads relative to area population, too. Houston and DFW have far greater respective populations.
Quote from: US81 on December 02, 2014, 11:00:55 AM
Quote from: Marc on December 02, 2014, 12:29:20 AM
Quote from: Guysdrive780 on November 27, 2014, 06:23:59 PM
Also One more thing. I think Austin will have the most toll roads then any large city in texas.
Maybe not the most, but certainly the most without a free expressway/freeway alternative.
Almost certainly the most toll roads relative to area population, too. Houston and DFW have far greater respective populations.
The funny part is that San Antonio and El Paso will almost get one or 2 toll roads
How exactly does TX 255 work? Can you drive it if you haven't bought a day pass or tx tag? The website isn't specific on whether or not pay by mail is an option.
Quote from: US 41 on December 02, 2014, 09:25:19 PM
How exactly does TX 255 work? Can you drive it if you haven't bought a day pass or tx tag? The website isn't specific on whether or not pay by mail is an option.
It used to be a pay when you get there now its electronic
I heard then TXDOT will plan to add some HOT lanes/menaged toll lanes on TX-288 and it include a stack interchange linking Beltway-8 with the future toll lanes. I saw once the plans of the interchange somewhere. I saw some schematics at http://ftp.dot.state.tx.us/pub/txdot-info/hou/sh288_toll_lanes/project_documents/schematic_plans/initial/
and the ultimate version with the interchange
http://ftp.dot.state.tx.us/pub/txdot-info/hou/sh288_toll_lanes/project_documents/schematic_plans/ultimate/sh288_ultimate_sheet_08.pdf
Good summary of the current status of the Trinity Parkway was posted today on the DMN's Transportation Blog.
http://transportationblog.dallasnews.com/2014/12/10-things-to-know-about-trinity-parkway.html/
The Aggie Expressway, or at least a portion of it, is now showing up on Google Maps. I'm thinking that this road is not actually built yet? http://goo.gl/maps/gqp7X
Quote from: HandsomeRob on December 04, 2014, 12:29:06 PM
The Aggie Expressway, or at least a portion of it, is now showing up on Google Maps. I'm thinking that this road is not actually built yet? http://goo.gl/maps/gqp7X
Apparently a bug is causing some proposed roads to show up. The Goog to self-driving car owners: oops.
Arlington is becoming a city and what they want is 360 to be extended. And now a toll.
I thought Arlington had been a city for a long time. Building TX 360 from I-20 to US-287 as a toll road is probably the only way it could get built with regard to Texas' and the federal government's budget problems, sequestration and the general unwillingness for elected officials to do their jobs. Instead of negotiating solutions to problems they're more interested in how they look on MSNBC and Fox News.
US-287 is another big question. How is the section of it running from the South side of Fort Worth to Ennis (and I-45) going to end up? That section needs to be 100% limited access from I-20 to I-45. A big part of it is that way already, but some sections of it are not. That includes a stop light intersection at TX-360 that would be converted into a stack interchange if the TX-360 proposal goes through. US-287 gets dropped down to a ridiculously puny 2-lane facility as it nears and connects to I-45. It's clear the ultimate goal for US-287 on the South side of the DFW metroplex is a superhighway facility, but it is getting built very slowly in piece-meal fashion. I just wonder if it's going to end up as a toll road just to get completed.