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Title: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: bugo on May 20, 2012, 04:59:39 AM
AR 352 crosses I-40 twice between Ozark and Clarksville.  It "blows it off" both times.  352 doesn't have an interchange with 40.  Are there any more examples of this?
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: Brandon on May 20, 2012, 08:07:31 AM
US-6 and I-80 in Illinois.  They do meet at the two ends of the states, once in the Quad Cities, once in the South Suburbs, but blow each other off in between, and even parallel within a quarter mile at times without mention on I-80 (with the exception of the I-355 interchange).
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: roadman65 on May 20, 2012, 10:00:05 AM
US 41 and I-275 in Tampa cross without interchange after paralleling each other for a distance and blowing each other off just north of the city.  Only at the south end of their close alignments does US 41 South even get mentioned on the US 92 exit sign for I-275.

Parts of US 13 and DE 1 cross each other many times without interchange with both roads being right next to each other splitting apart for only 1/4 mile where this happens.  Only around Smyrna does the two roads interchange as at that point the two alignments drift a mile or more away from each other.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: Duke87 on May 20, 2012, 10:09:19 AM
CT 22 and CT 40 (the latter being a freeway) cross twice, but no interchange.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: myosh_tino on May 20, 2012, 11:41:57 AM
I-880 and CA-87 cross near the San Jose airport.  Both are freeways but there are no ramps connecting the two.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: Takumi on May 20, 2012, 11:52:01 AM
I can think of several on I-64 in Virginia alone: VA 157, VA 33 at Highland Springs, VA 173, VA 152, VA 351, and US 58 just north of the I-264 interchange. Also VA 415 and I-664, and I-95 and VA 208.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: TheStranger on May 20, 2012, 01:21:56 PM
Route 83 and Route 210 in Upland, California (as the interchange for 83 was never constructed).
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: kphoger on May 20, 2012, 03:17:20 PM
A few of México's toll roads have the corresponding free roads cross over/under them multiple times without interchanges.  I don't have a complete map yet, but I suspect the new 40(D) between Durango and Mazatlán is going to have a LOT of these.  Already, I see at least eight on Google Maps, and the whole road isn't even shown yet.  Some of these are where the new toll road actually goes under the old free road in a tunnel.
http://g.co/maps/aakez (http://g.co/maps/aakez)
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: huskeroadgeek on May 20, 2012, 04:00:43 PM
Quote from: Brandon on May 20, 2012, 08:07:31 AM
US-6 and I-80 in Illinois.  They do meet at the two ends of the states, once in the Quad Cities, once in the South Suburbs, but blow each other off in between, and even parallel within a quarter mile at times without mention on I-80 (with the exception of the I-355 interchange).
Illinois has several other instances similar to this as well. I-70 and US 40 parallel each other and have a couple of exits, but in between the two roads meet a couple of times without interchanges. I-74 and US 150 do the same thing-they cross near Farmer City without a direct exit(although there is a nearby one at IL 54) and they do finally cross with 2 direct interchanges at Danville.

There are more instances of this on toll roads because of the limited exits on toll roads. K-99 for instance crosses the I-335 portion of the Kansas Turnpike 3 times north of Emporia without an exit.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: empirestate on May 20, 2012, 04:10:54 PM
Quote from: bugo on May 20, 2012, 04:59:39 AM
AR 352 crosses I-40 twice between Ozark and Clarksville.  It "blows it off" both times.  352 doesn't have an interchange with 40.  Are there any more examples of this?

I would expect there are many thousands of examples of roads that cross Interstates without intersecting them; many hundreds if we count only state-numbered highways and above. One famous example is NY 90 and I-90, notable because the numbers are identical.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: US12 on May 20, 2012, 06:15:15 PM
US 23 and the Ohio Turnpike near Toledo cross, but have no ramps.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: jdb1234 on May 20, 2012, 07:30:44 PM
Florida's Turnpike and FL 417 near Orlando cross but there are no ramps.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: golden eagle on May 20, 2012, 08:06:17 PM
US 80 & I-55 just east of Jackson don't intersect. Also, there are two interstates in Ohio that don't either.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: PurdueBill on May 20, 2012, 08:35:16 PM
The Ohio mention probably refers to I-271 and I-80/Turnpike.  One needs to use either I-77 or OH 8 to make the connection.  (Or OH 303 and I-271 if one must.)
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: MrDisco99 on May 20, 2012, 10:28:02 PM
Plenty of ignored freeways along the old turnpikes in the northeast.

Ohio Turnpike: I-275, I-271, OH 11
Penn Turnpike: PA 28, US 219, I-81, I-95
NJ Turnpike: NJ 42, I-295
Mass Turnpike: I-391

Also, Florida's Turnpike and I-95 blow each other off twice.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: PurdueBill on May 20, 2012, 11:10:38 PM
Quote from: MrDisco99 on May 20, 2012, 10:28:02 PM
Plenty of ignored freeways along the old turnpikes in the northeast.

Ohio Turnpike: I-275, I-271, OH 11
Penn Turnpike: PA 28, US 219, I-81, I-95
NJ Turnpike: NJ 42, I-295
Mass Turnpike: I-391

Also, Florida's Turnpike and I-95 blow each other off twice.


Probably you mean 475, not 275, but those are also ones that the Ohio Turnpike does not directly interchange with, although at least with 475 there is an exit nearby that makes a Breezewood connection.

Street View of the Turnpike westbound in that area is absolutely brilliant!!!  Why did they bother? (http://g.co/maps/zy3f5)
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: OracleUsr on May 21, 2012, 01:38:44 AM
I-77 at US 64 in Statesville. Granted, you can take I-40E one mile and get on 64.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: US71 on May 21, 2012, 09:45:20 AM
IDOT is changing this, but I-57 and I-294 near Chicago.

AR 282 (Mountainburg segment) crosses I-540 twice, but never intersects
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: kphoger on May 21, 2012, 10:17:41 AM
Can we limit the list to highway pairs that blow each other off more than just once?  Otherwise, as already noted, the list will be unthinkably long.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: ftballfan on May 21, 2012, 01:36:27 PM
I-75 doesn't have an interchange with M-72 in Grayling.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: PHLBOS on May 22, 2012, 05:35:20 PM
Quote from: MrDisco99 on May 20, 2012, 10:28:02 PM
Plenty of ignored freeways along the old turnpikes in the northeast.

Penn Turnpike: I-95
That one will be changing in a few years; however, one can add I-81 to the list (one needs to use US 11 for a connection).

Quote from: MrDisco99 on May 20, 2012, 10:28:02 PMNJ Turnpike: I-295
True for the PA Turnpike (Future I-95) Connector, not true for the mainline NJ Turnpike; the 2 roads connect near the Delaware Memorial Bridge.

Add NY Thruway (I-87) & I-84 to the list as well.

In PA, I-476 (the Blue Route) and PA 320 cross each other 4 times but have no direct interchange.  I-476 also crosses PA 23 but has no direct interchange to it; one needs to use feeder ramps at the I-76 interchange south of the actual crossing.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: signalman on May 22, 2012, 05:50:37 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 22, 2012, 05:35:20 PM
Add NY Thruway (I-87) & I-84 to the list as well. 

Add it to what list?  They have a direct connection and have for a few years
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: hobsini2 on May 22, 2012, 06:17:37 PM
A couple of times in Western Wisconsin US 12 and I-94 do not have an interchange. Once at Menominee and once more north of Tomah.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: sr641 on May 22, 2012, 06:24:14 PM
US 35 and Interstate 71 don't ever intersect.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: PHLBOS on May 22, 2012, 06:29:43 PM
Quote from: signalman on May 22, 2012, 05:50:37 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 22, 2012, 05:35:20 PM
Add NY Thruway (I-87) & I-84 to the list as well.  

Add it to what list?  They have a direct connection and have for a few years
My bad.  That interchange fully opening in 2009 predated my joining this site.  I was last in that area around 2002 and had to use NY 300 to get from I-87 to I-84.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: kphoger on May 22, 2012, 06:53:21 PM
Quote from: sr641 on May 22, 2012, 06:24:14 PM
US 35 and Interstate 71 don't ever intersect.

Neither do I-70 and about 10 random county roads in Thomas County, Kansas.
As I said, a worldwide list of overpasses and underpasses is going to get reeeeeally long.

Can we keep this to routes that cross multiple times but don't intersect?
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 22, 2012, 07:12:22 PM
if you look at the earth just right, I-5 and I-95 cross over each other without intersecting.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: Mr. Matté on May 22, 2012, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 22, 2012, 07:12:22 PM
if you look at the earth just right, I-5 and I-95 cross over each other without intersecting.

Or give Google a few weeks and it'll happen anyway.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on May 22, 2012, 10:47:17 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 22, 2012, 05:35:20 PM
Quote from: MrDisco99 on May 20, 2012, 10:28:02 PM
Plenty of ignored freeways along the old turnpikes in the northeast.

Penn Turnpike: I-95
That one will be changing in a few years; however, one can add I-81 to the list (one needs to use US 11 for a connection).

Quote from: MrDisco99 on May 20, 2012, 10:28:02 PMNJ Turnpike: I-295
True for the PA Turnpike (Future I-95) Connector, not true for the mainline NJ Turnpike; the 2 roads connect near the Delaware Memorial Bridge.

Add NY Thruway (I-87) & I-84 to the list as well.

In PA, I-476 (the Blue Route) and PA 320 cross each other 4 times but have no direct interchange.  I-476 also crosses PA 23 but has no direct interchange to it; one needs to use feeder ramps at the I-76 interchange south of the actual crossing.

The mid 70s maps of the proposed I-476 had an interchange with Pa 320 and Springfield Rd. I do recall in one of the articles pertaining to the construction of the Blue Route, from the late 1980s, that PennDOT purposely didn't put any interchanges between I-476 and Pa 320 because they wanted to keep traffic away from Pa 320.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: PHLBOS on May 24, 2012, 01:13:16 PM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on May 22, 2012, 10:47:17 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 22, 2012, 05:35:20 PMIn PA, I-476 (the Blue Route) and PA 320 cross each other 4 times but have no direct interchange.  I-476 also crosses PA 23 but has no direct interchange to it; one needs to use feeder ramps at the I-76 interchange south of the actual crossing.

The mid 70s maps of the proposed I-476 had an interchange with Pa 320 and Springfield Rd. I do recall in one of the articles pertaining to the construction of the Blue Route, from the late 1980s, that PennDOT purposely didn't put any interchanges between I-476 and Pa 320 because they wanted to keep traffic away from Pa 320.
Correct, PennDOT had plans for a I-476/PA 320 interchange in that area (near Cardinal O'Hara High School) but dropped it from its plans.  I believe the actual reasoning behind that interchange elimination had more to do w/the High School protesting more than anything else.

Further south at the PA 320/US 1 interchange, there's still one old button-copy sign that gives hint of a then-future I-476 connection w/PA 320.  It's on the ramp from US 1 South; there's a blank area to the right of the NORTH 320 that's large enough for TO (NORTH) 476 lettering and shield.

IIRC, when I looked at an old map showing the original interchanges (many of the current interchages are downsized redesigns); the original design of the I-476/US 1 interchange did not provide a ramp from US 1 South to I-476 North.  The above-sign was likely intended to guide traffic from US 1 South to I-476 North via PA 320 North for a short distance.
Title: Re: Roads that cross but never intersect
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on May 24, 2012, 10:54:06 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 24, 2012, 01:13:16 PM
IIRC, when I looked at an old map showing the original interchanges (many of the current interchages are downsized redesigns); the original design of the I-476/US 1 interchange did not provide a ramp from US 1 South to I-476 North.  The above-sign was likely intended to guide traffic from US 1 South to I-476 North via PA 320 North for a short distance.

Yep I remember that as well.