http://www.okladot.state.ok.us/newsmedia/press/2012/12-027_big_changes_coming_as_i-40_morgan_rd._interchange_opens_to_traffic_friday.pdf
Will try to get out there on Friday and get some pics.
rte66man
There are some road guys who claim the "X" interchanges on I-244 at Sheridan and Memorial are a ghetto form of a SPUI. They are single point interchanges, with the exits and entrances being on the left.
Quote from: bugo on May 31, 2012, 05:55:14 PM
There are some road guys who claim the "X" interchanges on I-244 at Sheridan and Memorial are a ghetto form of a SPUI. They are single point interchanges, with the exits and entrances being on the left.
Sounds just like the I-76 Schuylkill in Philly.
Here's the X interchange at I-244 and Sheridan:
https://maps.google.com/?ll=36.163067,-95.904046&spn=0.004106,0.009624&t=k&z=17
Goodness, I've never heard anyone refer to the Harlem exit off the Eisenhower (Chicago, people) a SPUI....
Quote from: Steve on May 31, 2012, 09:52:59 PM
Quote from: bugo on May 31, 2012, 05:55:14 PM
There are some road guys who claim the "X" interchanges on I-244 at Sheridan and Memorial are a ghetto form of a SPUI. They are single point interchanges, with the exits and entrances being on the left.
Sounds just like the I-76 Schuylkill in Philly.
Some have called these simply "interior diamonds" (like Nathan Perry at his website here: <www.empirestateroads.com/week/week58.html>). Admittedly they do operate in a very similar fashion to a SPUI in practice.
Here's that case Steve refers to, the South Street interchange on the Schuylkill Expressway (I-76) in Philadelphia.
https://maps.google.com/?ll=39.9475,-75.187919&spn=0.004154,0.008208&t=k&z=17
Here's another in PA, this one the Bus 222 interchange on the West Shore Bypass (US 422), a freeway in Reading.
https://maps.google.com/?ll=40.324635,-75.934389&spn=0.004131,0.008208&t=k&z=17
(BTW, some may not know that "Reading" rhymes with "bedding.")
...which would mean they're palm-slapping themselves right now for pronouncing the Monopoly square wrong their whole lives.
Quote from: kphoger on June 01, 2012, 02:09:37 PM
...which would mean they're palm-slapping themselves right now for pronouncing the Monopoly square wrong their whole lives.
Funny you should say that. I actually saw that in person.
Years ago I was playing Monopoly with friends when I was stationed in Arkansas. The first time someone mentioned the Reading RR, they pronounced it REED-ing. Before I could control myself I barked out laughing. Then I noticed that everyone in the group was staring blankly at me. No one knew what I was laughing at.
Every one of them had always thought it was pronounced that way. When I said no, it's RED-ing, they were all shocked (shocked I tell you!) Surprised at any rate. Turns out not one of them had ever heard anyone pronounce it correctly. Palm slaps all around.
That's when I really started to laugh, this time more at myself. Growing up in PA, I had known how to pronounce it seemingly from birth. Practically everyone does. But I never gave any thought to the possibility that people who lived elsewhere wouldn't know.
It's one of those things that makes you shake your head and begin to re-examine and test other assumptions you've made along the way.
Quote from: qguy on June 01, 2012, 04:31:20 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 01, 2012, 02:09:37 PM
...which would mean they're palm-slapping themselves right now for pronouncing the Monopoly square wrong their whole lives.
Funny you should say that. I actually saw that in person.
Years ago I was playing Monopoly with friends when I was stationed in Arkansas. The first time someone mentioned the Reading RR, they pronounced it REED-ing. Before I could control myself I barked out laughing. Then I noticed that everyone in the group was staring blankly at me. No one knew what I was laughing at.
Every one of them had always thought it was pronounced that way. When I said no, it's RED-ing, they were all shocked (shocked I tell you!) Surprised at any rate. Turns out not one of them had ever heard anyone pronounce it correctly. Palm slaps all around.
That's when I really started to laugh, this time more at myself. Growing up in PA, I had known how to pronounce it seemingly from birth. Practically everyone does. But I never gave any thought to the possibility that people who lived elsewhere wouldn't know.
It's one of those things that makes you shake your head and begin to re-examine and test other assumptions you've made along the way.
Take a look, it's on the board, the Reading Railrooooad
A few pictures of the SPUI that I took yesterday:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8010%2F7322601294_6b6364437f_b.jpg&hash=15e5a8bd14f79df75e3ef53cafeca1334de6d0cd)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7088%2F7322594038_7b263b4099_b.jpg&hash=2bbc8857ff96a2d49e1ecd861042912762ec7fcf)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8025%2F7322600426_c98d5fbc12_b.jpg&hash=727b2cea0d1e39063223a44b0a96c017038e8012)
Ahhh... Brand new misused clearview (all caps mistake).
Not really a mistake so much as an omission of all-caps treatment (Morgan Road is a N-S road and this is designating northbound versus southbound Morgan Road; if you were to include the direction designator both directions of the road would be "S. Morgan Rd." here, since this interchange is a block or so south of Reno).
Aren't all caps text supposed to use fhwa font?
Quote from: blawp on June 07, 2012, 02:01:13 AMAren't all caps text supposed to use fhwa font?
That is FHWA's current advice in the Clearview FAQ on the
MUTCD site. It is not, however, required under the terms of the Clearview interim approval, which allows Clearview to be used for any positive-contrast legend on a designable sign (which means, for instance, a large panel sign, but not an Interstate route marker even though the digits appear in positive contrast). It is therefore left to the discretion of the state DOT (or sometimes the individual engineer) whether all the positive-contrast legend on a designable sign appears in Clearview, or just the primary destination legend.
BTW, to clarify what Scott said upthread, the real problem with the signs is that the all-uppercase legend ("NORTH," "SOUTH," "RIGHT LANE," etc.) uses the same capital letter height as the primary destination legend ("Morgan Rd" in this case). What this all-uppercase legend needs is actually the small-caps treatment, which in guide signing contexts means a capital letter height that is three-quarters that of the primary destination legend.
Quote from: J N Winkler on June 07, 2012, 10:36:48 AM
Quote from: blawp on June 07, 2012, 02:01:13 AMAren't all caps text supposed to use fhwa font?
That is FHWA's current advice in the Clearview FAQ on the MUTCD site. It is not, however, required under the terms of the Clearview interim approval, which allows Clearview to be used for any positive-contrast legend on a designable sign (which means, for instance, a large panel sign, but not an Interstate route marker even though the digits appear in positive contrast). It is therefore left to the discretion of the state DOT (or sometimes the individual engineer) whether all the positive-contrast legend on a designable sign appears in Clearview, or just the primary destination legend.
BTW, to clarify what Scott said upthread, the real problem with the signs is that the all-uppercase legend ("NORTH," "SOUTH," "RIGHT LANE," etc.) uses the same capital letter height as the primary destination legend ("Morgan Rd" in this case). What this all-uppercase legend needs is actually the small-caps treatment, which in guide signing contexts means a capital letter height that is three-quarters that of the primary destination legend.
Helpful reply. Thanks.
I like Clearview. I don't like the yellow signals (really, why the yellow?), and I HATE all caps in anything... Unless it's used very right.
*If I were the engineer*: Use an overhead truss of some sort... And fix the Uppercase/Lowercase Clearview... OK sucks at signage. Bottom line.
Yellow signals with a black border are Oklahoma City standard. All of the suburbs use black signals so it's a nice visual reminder that you are in The City.
OK sucking at signage is an ongoing thing. Nobody can dispute that.
Quote from: Steve on June 01, 2012, 07:20:22 PM
Take a look, it's on the board, the Reading Railrooooad
FAIL. For the verse to work, the last word of the first measure and the last word of the second measure need to rhyme.
/me gets out of Reading quickly ;)
Hide your chicks, it's route56.
Cool pics. I've liked the SPUI intersections since I first saw them here in Arizona.
Arizona hasn't built an SPUI since 02.
Arizona's Loop 303 has a few SPUIs. All in 2011 or later. The only one of significance now is at Happy Valley Parkway. There's also one at Lone Mountain Parkway. The Bell Road bridge is done, but the future freeway under Bell is under construction.
...and blawp again shows his willingness to lie to make Arizona look bad. (Hint: it's already doing that well enough on its own.)
Damn I didn't realize so much progress has been made on 303 nor the SPUIs there. It seems like after the 101 was built the SPUIs building kind of went away for a while. I don't see them anywhere on the SanTan or the Red Mountain.
Are any more SPUIs planned in Oklahoma?
Quote from: swbrotha100 on June 25, 2012, 02:50:05 PM
Are any more SPUIs planned in Oklahoma?
The rebuild of the I35 and Main St interchange in Norman will be a SPUI.
rte66man