On I-220 in Jackson, there is no control city for US 80. There are also no control cities for I-220 at US 49 on the north side of town.
I-494 and 694 in Minneapolis very rarely use a control city at all.
Exit 9 on I-80 in IL for US-6 has no control city (the signs on the ramp give directions for Moline and Geneseo; I think Coal Valley and/or Colona would make good control cities.)
I-235, I-435 and I-635 in Kansas don't use control cities. Interestingly, I-435 in Missouri uses two cities in Kansas as control cities(Topeka for I-435 SB S. of I-29, and Wichita for I-435 SB(and WB) S. of I-35, but those cities never appear on signs as control cities on I-435 in Kansas.
Also, alot of the exits on the Illinois tollways do not use control cities at all at some exits but will post a sign for "___ Next Exit".
I-88: IL 47, IL 31-56 East, IL 59, IL 53, IL 83
I-90: IL 31, IL 25, IL 59
I-4 at Exit 38 for FL 33 near Lakeland, FL.
I-95 at two places for US 301 near Emporia, VA at both Exits 12 and 17.
I-29 and I-90 at Sioux Falls, SD for I-229. It used to have none at any of its interstates crossings except for I-90 & I-190.
I-4 entrance ramps from FL 435 SB near Universal Studios in Orlando, FL have large overheads missing control points.
FL 408 used to not have control cities for I-4 in Orlando at Exit 10A except on the ramps before OOCEA installed the present signing.
Quote from: hobsini2 on June 03, 2012, 04:09:27 PM
Also, alot of the exits on the Illinois tollways do not use control cities at all at some exits but will post a sign for "___ Next Exit".
I-88: IL 47, IL 31-56 East, IL 59, IL 53, IL 83
I-90: IL 31, IL 25, IL 59
Then there's I-355 from I-55 which has no control cities on the the advance signage, but uses them on the exit signage.
Another I-95/US 301 exit in Virginia is exit 45. Some of the secondary routes in this area alao don't have control cities, such as exit 33 (SR 602). Also, I-85 at exit 63 in Virginia has no control cities for US 1.
In Denton, Texas, The BGS's for I-35 on Loop 288 don't have any control cities.
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Quote from: Brandon on June 03, 2012, 05:24:35 PM
Then there's I-355 from I-55 which has no control cities on the the advance signage, but uses them on the exit signage.
I thought I had read that something similar was the "proper" (or at least an accepted) signing method - Ohio Turnpike uses it such a method. Advance signs are shields only, control cities appear at the signs right before and at the exit.
Then again, are "Northwest Suburbs" and "Southwest Suburbs" really control "cities"? ;)
The most famous example: I-605 CA, and also judging from the signs for CA 91 and I-105...
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Quote from: hobsini2 on June 03, 2012, 03:34:35 PM
I-494 and 694 in Minneapolis very rarely use a control city at all.
Almost none of the interchanges within the 494-694 loop use control cities, except for Minneapolis and St. Paul. As an example, northbound on I-35W at the interchange with 94, the only control city is St. Paul along I-94 east. Nothing for 35W north or 94 west.
In Dallas, I-30 BGSs on I-45 NB and US 75 (hidden I-345) SB have no control cities for the east (should say Texarkana) or west (should say Fort Worth) advance or exit signage. Even dating back to when the BGSs had I-30 (and before, when it was originally I-20), US 67, and US 80 shields there were no control cities on those, either direction.
Is the question about "control cities" or just destinations? Control Cities are major traffic-generating cities along a route. The OP cites I-220 in Jackson, MS, which is a connecting route from I-20 to I-55 serving only the Jackson metropolitan area, thus the major traffic-generating city on that route is Jackson, itself and probably wouldn't make sense to use as a "control city".
Quote from: Special K on June 04, 2012, 11:21:45 AM
Is the question about "control cities" or just destinations? Control Cities are major traffic-generating cities along a route. The OP cites I-220 in Jackson, MS, which is a connecting route from I-20 to I-55 serving only the Jackson metropolitan area, thus the major traffic-generating city on that route is Jackson, itself and probably wouldn't make sense to use as a "control city".
Some states though put control cities on such routes based on the routes they connect with. Since I-220 functions as a connection from I-55 north of Jackson to I-20 west of Jackson, you could use Grenada for I-220 North(which is the control city for I-55 North in Jackson) and Vicksburg for I-220 South(which is the control city for I-20 West in Jackson).
In CT, one of the I-95/US 1 interchanges (I believe that it's either Exit 39A-B in the Milford area) lists no control cities/destinations on the exit signage for US 1.
Exit signage for NY 100 along I-287 Westbound (Exit 5) near Fairview lists no control cities/destinations as well.
The only example I'm aware of is SR 500 off of I-5. But there isn't really a logical control city for SR 500 as it mostly serves as a commuter route from the northeastly suburbs of Vancouver to I-5 and Portland. SR 500 officially ends in Camas, but it is more logically accessed via SR 14 from I-5. And SR 500 becomes SR 503 in Hazel Dell which goes to Battle Ground, but it is also accessed via SR 502.
Quote from: Special K on June 04, 2012, 11:21:45 AM
Is the question about "control cities" or just destinations?
As a more general question, is it possible to unambiguously determine control cities from signs?
Quote from: NE2 on June 04, 2012, 03:57:51 PM
Quote from: Special K on June 04, 2012, 11:21:45 AM
Is the question about "control cities" or just destinations?
As a more general question, is it possible to unambiguously determine control cities from signs?
I've always treated the two terms as synonymous, while fully aware that I'm probably incorrect in doing so.
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 04, 2012, 02:48:33 PM
In CT, one of the I-95/US 1 interchanges (I believe that it's either Exit 39A-B in the Milford area) lists no control cities/destinations on the exit signage for US 1.
Correct! It's simply signed as either
US Route 1 NORTH and
US Route 1 SOUTH. Basically the same for Exits 39A and 39B.
How exit ahead signs with no routes nor 'control cities.'
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I-40 EB in New Mexico
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on June 04, 2012, 09:29:31 PM
How exit ahead signs with no routes nor 'control cities.'
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I-40 EB in New Mexico
But unlike most unnamed exits I've seen, this has gas and food. For a long time, off I-25 there was otherwise unnamed Exit 191 just south of Denver, in a temporarily undeveloped but growing area between Denver's southern suburbs and Castle Rock . (For reference, CO-/E-470 is Exit 194). It finally was eliminated in favor of a new interchange with a real name. In Colorado, this type of exit often gets named for a long-gone hamlet, and in other states (e.g., Utah) they get a generic designation like "Ranch Road".
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on June 04, 2012, 10:08:37 PM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on June 04, 2012, 09:29:31 PM
How exit ahead signs with no routes nor 'control cities.'
I-40 EB in New Mexico
But unlike most unnamed exits I've seen, this has gas and food. For a long time, off I-25 there was otherwise unnamed Exit 191 just south of Denver, in a temporarily undeveloped but growing area between Denver's southern suburbs and Castle Rock . (For reference, CO-/E-470 is Exit 194). It finally was eliminated in favor of a new interchange with a real name. In Colorado, this type of exit often gets named for a long-gone hamlet, and in other states (e.g., Utah) they get a generic designation like "Ranch Road".
This is a common thing for most rural unnamed exits out west, because there is literally nothing else accessible from that exit.
Quote from: Kacie Jane on June 04, 2012, 05:29:31 PM
Quote from: NE2 on June 04, 2012, 03:57:51 PM
Quote from: Special K on June 04, 2012, 11:21:45 AM
Is the question about "control cities" or just destinations?
As a more general question, is it possible to unambiguously determine control cities from signs?
I've always treated the two terms as synonymous, while fully aware that I'm probably incorrect in doing so.
All control cities are destinations, but not all destinations are control cities.
AASHTO maintains a list of Control Cities along each interstate highway. These are selected by each state as major traffic generators for that route. For example, in Iowa, I-80 includes Council Bluffs, Des Moines, Iowa City and Davenport as control cities.
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Quote from: NE2 on June 04, 2012, 03:57:51 PM
Quote from: Special K on June 04, 2012, 11:21:45 AM
Is the question about "control cities" or just destinations?
As a more general question, is it possible to unambiguously determine control cities from signs?
I don't think it's the intent to differentiate the two for the general motorist. Control cities are used to provide consistency and better directional reference to local and non-local travelers.
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on June 04, 2012, 09:29:31 PM
How exit ahead signs with no routes nor 'control cities.'
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I-40 EB in New Mexico
I've seen those along I-90 in South Dakota. US 67/167 in North Little Rock used to have an "Exit 2" before the most recent rebuild
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on June 04, 2012, 09:29:31 PMHow exit ahead signs with no routes nor 'control cities.'
There's a few such exits off of I-84 in the Columbia Gorge in Oregon, but they lack any advance signage and have just a sign ("Service Road", "Dalton Point") right at the exit to identify it. I believe those two examples also are not numbered exits. There's another one just west of Hood River that is essentially a private road for a few homes that are otherwise inaccessible.
IIRC, many exit signs along the OH Turnpike only list the route number(s) but no control cities/destinations.
Quote from: huskeroadgeek on June 04, 2012, 01:23:28 PM
Quote from: Special K on June 04, 2012, 11:21:45 AM
Is the question about "control cities" or just destinations? Control Cities are major traffic-generating cities along a route. The OP cites I-220 in Jackson, MS, which is a connecting route from I-20 to I-55 serving only the Jackson metropolitan area, thus the major traffic-generating city on that route is Jackson, itself and probably wouldn't make sense to use as a "control city".
Some states though put control cities on such routes based on the routes they connect with. Since I-220 functions as a connection from I-55 north of Jackson to I-20 west of Jackson, you could use Grenada for I-220 North(which is the control city for I-55 North in Jackson) and Vicksburg for I-220 South(which is the control city for I-20 West in Jackson).
I like Husker's explanation. The two 3di interstates in MS (the aforementioned 220 and I-110 in Biloxi) have no control cities. However, states around us (as well as many others) do sign their 3di's. Maybe not all of them, but the ones I've seen do.
Just above Slidell, La. on I-59 South...
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CA118 as far as I use it from the start at the 210 all the way to Topanga Cyn Blvd exit its unmarked. There is one, the onramp from I-5 North to 118 West says Simi Valley but it's the only one
Pic is just an example of, one of many of the 118 signs with no control city
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CA118 as far as I use it from the start at the 210 all the way to Topanga Cyn Blvd exit its unmarked. There is one, the onramp from I-5 North to 118 West says Simi Valley but it's the only one
Pic is just an example of, one of many of the 118 signs with no control city
Your example is that of a pull-through sign; which is a lot more common not to have control destinations on them. I believe the OP's more interested in advance
Exit/Interchange signs.
^^
I'm cool with the pull-through signs.
Quote from: golden eagle on June 06, 2012, 08:23:23 AM
^^
I'm cool with the pull-through signs.
Then, be prepared to get a lot more postings (is that your goal?). There's a ton of pull-through signs that don't list control destinations around.
Quote from: US71 on June 05, 2012, 11:24:21 AM
I've seen those along I-90 in South Dakota. US 67/167 in North Little Rock used to have an "Exit 2" before the most recent rebuild
what does exit 2 serve in Little Rock? a ranch?
I am surprised exit 191 is gone off I-25. It was very substandard, but when I last drove it (2006) there was nothing there.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 06, 2012, 01:10:53 PM
Quote from: US71 on June 05, 2012, 11:24:21 AM
I've seen those along I-90 in South Dakota. US 67/167 in North Little Rock used to have an "Exit 2" before the most recent rebuild
what does exit 2 serve in Little Rock? a ranch?
It's just a ramp off of northbound US 67/167 connecting with the frontage road. Because there is no cross street nearby, there really wasn't any particular street or destination that made sense to put on the exit sign. They used to sign exit 3 for both Wildwood Ave. and Trammel Rd., but now they sign exit 2 for Trammel Rd. and exit 3 only for Wildwood Ave. because the current configuration of the ramp off of exit 3 does not allow traffic to turn left onto Trammel Rd-so the only way to access Trammel Rd. off of US 67/167 is to get off at exit 2.
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on June 04, 2012, 09:29:31 PM
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I-40 EB in New Mexico
In Texas, I guess it would get named Frontage Rd.
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 05, 2012, 04:29:25 PM
IIRC, many exit signs along the OH Turnpike only list the route number(s) but no control cities/destinations.
And the mainline control was "THRU TRAFFIC". Last time I was on the Turnpike, the OTC had some newer signs with a control "city".
I-440 @ US 70
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 06, 2012, 12:21:17 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on June 06, 2012, 08:23:23 AM
^^
I'm cool with the pull-through signs.
Then, be prepared to get a lot more postings (is that your goal?).
That never crossed my mind for even a millisecond.
Quote from: Brandon on June 06, 2012, 07:45:53 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 05, 2012, 04:29:25 PM
IIRC, many exit signs along the OH Turnpike only list the route number(s) but no control cities/destinations.
And the mainline control was "THRU TRAFFIC". Last time I was on the Turnpike, the OTC had some newer signs with a control "city".
The pattern is/was:
2 miles out - marker - no control city
1 mile out marker and control city
1/2 mile out - marker and control city (NEXT RIGHT)
at exit - THRU TRAFFIC (ahead) Marker, control city EXIT ONLY (even if no lane was there)
Quote from: Master son on June 06, 2012, 11:12:46 PM
Quote from: Brandon on June 06, 2012, 07:45:53 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 05, 2012, 04:29:25 PM
IIRC, many exit signs along the OH Turnpike only list the route number(s) but no control cities/destinations.
And the mainline control was "THRU TRAFFIC". Last time I was on the Turnpike, the OTC had some newer signs with a control "city".
The pattern is/was:
2 miles out - marker - no control city
1 mile out marker and control city
1/2 mile out - marker and control city (NEXT RIGHT)
at exit - THRU TRAFFIC (ahead) Marker, control city EXIT ONLY (even if no lane was there)
THRU TRAFFIC is slowly disappearing and being replaced by control cities on pull-throughs (e.g., Toledo westbound until I-280, then Chicago; Toledo eastbound until there then Cleveland until I-90 leaves, then Youngstown) and the new pull-throughs usually don't have arrows down at the thru lanes and are therefore a lot smaller than the previous THRU TRAFFIC ones which were wide enough to point down at 3 lanes.
Another peculiarity of the EXIT ONLY on the signs at almost all the exits is that EXIT ONLY is in white on green, not black on yellow--and indeed as said above, there is almost never an actual exit-only lane! The exception is westbound after the mainline toll barrier at the exit for OH 49 (exit 2, I think--not numbered in the field) which actually does have a yellow field. It lacks a control city, but so does all the other signage for that exit. (OH 49 is the amazing route that you cross on so many cross-state roads; I-70 and US 30 multiplex with it, and the Turnpike's exit for it is so notable as it's near the state line and is a diamond interchange on a road dominated by traditional ticket-tollway trumpets.)
Also, when the new pull-throughs are installed, the bad white-on-green EXIT ONLY seems to be disappearing.
See a couple photos below for examples. The two-mile advance is standard fare for a two-mile advance....route shield and distance only. There are some that differ (like major exits like 480 and 90 east) but many are still like this.
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P.S. a few older pics of mine that are on Steve's site (http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/oh/i-90/w.html) show the old, wide THRU TRAFFIC sign and the strange white/green EXIT ONLY over perfectly ordinary decel lanes (not lane drops). They are the ones at the top of the linked page.
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CA118 as far as I use it from the start at the 210 all the way to Topanga Cyn Blvd exit its unmarked. There is one, the onramp from I-5 North to 118 West says Simi Valley but it's the only one
Pic is just an example of, one of many of the 118 signs with no control city
Your example is that of a pull-through sign; which is a lot more common not to have control destinations on them. I believe the OP's more interested in advance Exit/Interchange signs.
I just used that as an example. None of them have a control city except 1 for West, East is never mentioned.
Which could be Sylmar/San Fernando
Quote from: Brandon on June 06, 2012, 07:45:53 PM
And the mainline control was "THRU TRAFFIC". Last time I was on the Turnpike, the OTC had some newer signs with a control "city".
NJ Turnpike is another highway that still uses "THRU TRAFFIC" as a control destination on its pull-through signs. As a matter of fact, nearly 2 weeks ago I saw one new not-yet-erected (it was laying parallel to the roadway but clearly visible) overhead sign gantry for EXIT 7A (I-195) that has the pull-through sign message read as
*NJTP shield* SOUTH THRU TRAFFIC.
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 07, 2012, 08:32:17 AM
Quote from: Brandon on June 06, 2012, 07:45:53 PM
And the mainline control was "THRU TRAFFIC". Last time I was on the Turnpike, the OTC had some newer signs with a control "city".
NJ Turnpike is another highway that still uses "THRU TRAFFIC" as a control destination on its pull-through signs. As a matter of fact, nearly 2 weeks ago I saw one new not-yet-erected (it was laying parallel to the roadway but clearly visible) overhead sign gantry for EXIT 7A (I-195) that has the pull-through sign message read as *NJTP shield* SOUTH THRU TRAFFIC.
There's at least one similar sign on the southbound four-lane section of the N.J. Turnpike between Exits 4 and 1 that reads [Turnpike shield] and "Wilmington" (why it does not read "Delaware Turnpike" or just "Delaware," given how well the N.J. Turnpike is "advertised" on the northbound (really eastbound) Delaware Turnpike is beyond me).
I believe there's at least one exit for US 60 on I-64 in Eastern Kentucky that lists no cities. There's also an exit on I-71 that lists a state highway with no destinations, not too far from the Kentucky Speedway.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 06, 2012, 01:10:53 PM
I am surprised exit 191 is gone off I-25. It was very substandard, but when I last drove it (2006) there was nothing there.
It disappeared about 4 years ago along with exit 193, and was replaced with exit 192, RidgeGate Pkwy. Even after I-25 was reconstructed through that area in the early naughts, it was still more like a RIRO turn than an actual interchange; obviously it was intended to be temporary. As you can tell from the oddly capitalized name, this was part of a new commercial/residential development. Most of the area along I-25 between Lone Tree and Castle Rock, I believe, is still preserved as "open space". I was never sure where the road connected to exit 191 went, or what it was actually called, but it was very strange to have such an unnamed exit on the fringe of a major metropolitan area.
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on June 07, 2012, 11:31:36 PM
RidgeGate Pkwy.
NoThing says SuburbanSprawl more than InnerCaps. except if it were given some kind of pseudo-medieval name like ThornePointe or something.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on June 07, 2012, 08:53:39 PMThere's at least one similar sign on the southbound four-lane section of the N.J. Turnpike between Exits 4 and 1 that reads [Turnpike shield] and "Wilmington" (why it does not read "Delaware Turnpike" or just "Delaware," given how well the N.J. Turnpike is "advertised" on the northbound (really eastbound) Delaware Turnpike is beyond me).
Actually, the use of
Wilmington as a control city for NJTP is MUTCD-appropriate/compliant. It's worth noting that
Delaware used to be listed NJTP control destination but, like everywhere else (I'm aware of the exception of some I-95 gantries in NH); the NJTP is shying away from using state names for control destinations.
It's worth noting that there's a couple of new NJTP pull-through sign at Exit 6 (PA Turnpike Connector/Future I-95 split) that list
Camden &
Wilmington as control cities.
As far as not using
Delaware Turnpike for a control destination for the NJTP is concerned; since
the entire length (11 miles) of it is I-95 and was contructed concurrently with other Interstates, this was a case where the route number resonated more with people than the street name.
In contrast, most of the NJTP was originally constructed
before the Interstate Highway Act of 1956 was signed into law and (even with the extended I-95 designation down to Exit 6) not all of it is designated as an Interstate highway.
Quote from: tidecat on June 07, 2012, 11:13:40 PM
I believe there's at least one exit for US 60 on I-64 in Eastern Kentucky that lists no cities.
There are actually two of those. One is Exit 101 in Clark County, between Winchester and Mt. Sterling. The other is in Boyd County, west of Ashland.
QuoteThere's also an exit on I-71 that lists a state highway with no destinations, not too far from the Kentucky Speedway.
That sign now lists Vevay, In. Clearview lettering was added when the route connecting the exit to the Markland Dam Bridge was completed.
The Mountain Parkway has a couple of signs with only route numbers. One exit is westbound only for KY 134 and KY 191, the other is for KY 30. Both are on the two-lane portion. The Hal Rogers Parkway exits for KY 66 and KY 451 are the same way.
Louisiana only has a couple of exits with only highway numbers.
I-49:
Exit 7 just uses LA 182.
Exit 132 says LA 478 (also an unpaved road past the interstate.)
Also on US 90:
below Morgan City exit 185 says LA 662 TO LA 182
near Houma exit 200 is only LA 311
Quote from: PurdueBill on June 06, 2012, 11:35:43 PM
Quote from: Master son on June 06, 2012, 11:12:46 PM
Quote from: Brandon on June 06, 2012, 07:45:53 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 05, 2012, 04:29:25 PM
IIRC, many exit signs along the OH Turnpike only list the route number(s) but no control cities/destinations.
And the mainline control was "THRU TRAFFIC". Last time I was on the Turnpike, the OTC had some newer signs with a control "city".
The pattern is/was:
2 miles out - marker - no control city
1 mile out marker and control city
1/2 mile out - marker and control city (NEXT RIGHT)
at exit - THRU TRAFFIC (ahead) Marker, control city EXIT ONLY (even if no lane was there)
THRU TRAFFIC is slowly disappearing and being replaced by control cities on pull-throughs (e.g., Toledo westbound until I-280, then Chicago; Toledo eastbound until there then Cleveland until I-90 leaves, then Youngstown) and the new pull-throughs usually don't have arrows down at the thru lanes and are therefore a lot smaller than the previous THRU TRAFFIC ones which were wide enough to point down at 3 lanes.
Another peculiarity of the EXIT ONLY on the signs at almost all the exits is that EXIT ONLY is in white on green, not black on yellow--and indeed as said above, there is almost never an actual exit-only lane! The exception is westbound after the mainline toll barrier at the exit for OH 49 (exit 2, I think--not numbered in the field) which actually does have a yellow field. It lacks a control city, but so does all the other signage for that exit. (OH 49 is the amazing route that you cross on so many cross-state roads; I-70 and US 30 multiplex with it, and the Turnpike's exit for it is so notable as it's near the state line and is a diamond interchange on a road dominated by traditional ticket-tollway trumpets.)
Also, when the new pull-throughs are installed, the bad white-on-green EXIT ONLY seems to be disappearing.
Just returning from our Cleveland vacation, I can vouch for this. The Ohio Turnpike is a unique beast when it comes to signage, especially the "THRU TRAFFIC" feature. Also unique is how the sign schemes change between Cleveland and Toledo. After the lanes reduce (or before the lanes extend, if you're heading east), I-80/90 is relegated to "THRU TRAFFIC." In between those areas, the signs become overhead trailblazers with control cities, just like what the original poster said.
The Ohio 49 interchange is different because it gives travelers one chance to enter and drive through northern Indiana or Ohio without entering that particular state's toll system.
Speaking of toll systems, there are some interchanges on the Northwest (Jane Addams) Tollway in Illinois where the advance signs themselves don't have control cities, but are mentioned in auxiliaries before the exit proper. They are Illinois 31, Illinois 25, and Illinois 59, all situated between Elgin and O'Hare . Oddly enough, these are the only interchanges in that entire tollway that do such a thing.
I'm surprised to hear of all this oddball signing in many states. Especially the practice of adding information on later signs in a sequence. This is a violation of MUTCD Section 2E-33-07 which states: "the legend on the advance guide signs shall be the same as the legend on the exit direction sign". However there is also a provision (Sec. 2E-35) for additional destinations to be shown once on a "supplemental guide sign" displayed after the first advance sign. My native New York DOT mostly adheres to correct practice though there may be exceptions.
The Manual also requires destinations on Interstate highways to be the next control city on the route. Of course we know that in some cases other kinds of "destinations" might make more sense. In the New York City area for many years bridge and tunnel names were used, which I liked. But that is gradually changing to borough and city names in recent years. In some cases both are shown.
Destinations such as "Southwest Suburbs" and "Eastern Long Island" worked well for many years too but on Long Island NYSDOT is changing to Riverhead, Hauppauge and Islip for highways outbound from NYC. It's all good!
The Indianapolis Beltway (I-465), has none used for itself. Even though it serves as connector between I-70 and I-69 you would think that Fort Wayne (and a TO I-69 shield) would be used for NB I-465 on the east side junction from I-70. Then where I-74 is concurrent with I-465, you think that Peoria and Cincinnati would be used as those are the cities for the one interstate that will always be in two segments for years to come.
Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on June 08, 2012, 03:40:37 PM
Speaking of toll systems, there are some interchanges on the Northwest (Jane Addams) Tollway in Illinois where the advance signs themselves don't have control cities, but are mentioned in auxiliaries before the exit proper. They are Illinois 31, Illinois 25, and Illinois 59, all situated between Elgin and O'Hare . Oddly enough, these are the only interchanges in that entire tollway that do such a thing.
Similar on I-88/Reagan Memorial Tollway. If I recall, there are no control cities on any of the exits between the Tri-State/Eisenhower and the IL-56/Sugar Grove exit, except for I-355. All the control cities are on auxiliary signs. Perhaps a leftover setup from when the tollway only went out to Sugar Grove?
Usually on NSW Freeway Fork AD (advance directional signs) we have the straight-ahead destination omitted on the 2km advance signs, but they are included on 1km advance signs:
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Quote from: Stratuscaster on June 10, 2012, 11:33:13 PM
Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on June 08, 2012, 03:40:37 PM
Speaking of toll systems, there are some interchanges on the Northwest (Jane Addams) Tollway in Illinois where the advance signs themselves don't have control cities, but are mentioned in auxiliaries before the exit proper. They are Illinois 31, Illinois 25, and Illinois 59, all situated between Elgin and O'Hare . Oddly enough, these are the only interchanges in that entire tollway that do such a thing.
Similar on I-88/Reagan Memorial Tollway. If I recall, there are no control cities on any of the exits between the Tri-State/Eisenhower and the IL-56/Sugar Grove exit, except for I-355. All the control cities are on auxiliary signs. Perhaps a leftover setup from when the tollway only went out to Sugar Grove?
No that was not a left over thing. If it was, they would have changed them with the new signage when the widening of 88 was done 2 years ago.
Control cities in general in Illinois do not exist except on auxiliary signs or at interstate junctions east of I-55 on I-80, north of I-80 on I-57, northeast of Rt 53 on I-55, East of Annie Glidden Rd on I-88, east of Rt 47 on I-90, and not at all on I-94.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/7377325450/in/photostream
The Exit 38 signage along I-81 Northbound near Pulaski, NY.
I-70 in Maryland - Exit 5 is signed just for MD-615
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Hancock,+MD&hl=en&ll=39.691139,-78.12438&spn=0.017535,0.038581&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=36.915634,79.013672&hnear=Hancock,+Washington,+Maryland&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=39.691179,-78.13272&panoid=uEuzaL2TvDELgdx8Nc-LlA&cbp=12,70.88,,0,-3.45 (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Hancock,+MD&hl=en&ll=39.691139,-78.12438&spn=0.017535,0.038581&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=36.915634,79.013672&hnear=Hancock,+Washington,+Maryland&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=39.691179,-78.13272&panoid=uEuzaL2TvDELgdx8Nc-LlA&cbp=12,70.88,,0,-3.45)
In North Carolina on I-40 there are quite a few times that US 64 intersects with out control cities listed, and I think on a couple occasions for US 74 in the western part of the state
Quote from: jcarte29 on June 17, 2012, 01:26:17 PM
In North Carolina on I-40 there are quite a few times that US 64 intersects with out control cities listed, and I think on a couple occasions for US 74 in the western part of the state
There's one instance on I-24 at U.S. 64 between Monteagle Mountain and Chattanooga in Tennessee, as well.