I noticed that in Orlando, FL you have Old Winter Garden Road, but no New Winter Garden Road or even a Winter Garden Road.
In Kissimmee, FL you have Old Vineland Road, but no new or something modern.
Both of these are old roads of newer alignments, FL 50 and US 192, but if they left the old names as is, it would not create confusion.
Old Cheney Highway in East Orlando, has a Cheney Highway in Brevard County several miles to the east, but once part of the same.
My neighborhood has an Old Town Drive, but it's because it parallels Old Town Creek.
I've noticed a common practice up and down the east coast is to name roads "Old [town name] Road" once bypassed by a new highway. Not sure if the old highway had that name or not, but the new one usually doesn't, particularly when it's a freeway.
Old Railroad Bed Road in the Huntsville, Alabama area. In fact, most of the railroad was never completed, but the ROW was later used for vehicle traffic.
Old Hammond Highway in Baton Rouge, which indeed was the old highway to Hammond, though there is not currently a Hammond Highway or New Hammond Highway. However, Florida Boulevard (its replacement) was originally named "Baton Rouge-Hammond Highway" from Airline Highway eastward.
Also, Jefferson Highway in south EBR Parish is sometimes called "Old Jefferson Highway." Maybe old in the sense that it is no longer the main through traffic route, but no older alignments nearby that I know of. Same goes for Old Scenic Highway (LA 964) and Old Gentilly Road in eastern New Orleans.
There's an Old Cheney Road in Lincoln, Nebraska, but the road does not go to the town of Cheney, and there is no New Cheney Road.
There is also a Old Lemay Ferry Road in Jefferson County, Missouri, but New or plain Lemay Ferry Road. There is a Lemay Ferry Road in St. Louis County (US 61-67 and MO 267) that used to almost line up with the Jefferson County Old Lemay Ferry. It's possible the current Jeffco Boulevard was once the new road.
Quote from: roadman65 on June 22, 2012, 07:04:44 PM
In Kissimmee, FL you have Old Vineland Road, but no new or something modern.
SR 535 is Vineland Road...
We have Old Canton Road in Jackson, but it there is no Canton Road. In the suburbs, there's Old Vicksburg Road and Old Brandon Road, but neither has a "new" road or simply a Vicksburg Road or Brandon Road.
Old Missouri Rd
Old Wire Rd
(Fayetteville, AR, also Springdale, AR)
Old State Road (Mattoon, IL)
Oh, and in Petersburg there's just plain ol' Old Street. :-D
Litchfield, IL has Old US 66 and Historic Old US 66.
The Santa Clarita area down in SoCal has The Old Road.
I forgot this one, but Old Raritan Road in Edison, NJ has no New Raritan Road or Raritan Road. However, it is continuation of the next township Scotch Plains Raritan Road. Why Edison chooses the "Old" before it is beyond me, but it is not in the shadow of any other newer road and continuation of an existing one.
In the northern suburbs of the Rockford, IL metro, we have an 'Old River Road.' There is no New River Road or a regular River Road.
The Old Road in Santa Clarita, CA (and surrounding communities)
There isn't anything called "The New Road" or anything, oddly enough anyone who doesn't know the history about the street, it use to be called San Fernando Rd which continues on south after Sierra Hwy...
Not sure why they didnt just keep it SF Road
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 22, 2012, 07:51:46 PM
I've noticed a common practice up and down the east coast is to name roads "Old [town name] Road" once bypassed by a new highway. Not sure if the old highway had that name or not, but the new one usually doesn't, particularly when it's a freeway.
I think this grows out of a historic practice of referring to roads descriptively, which for much of their history was the only available method. A lot of roads never had formal names until relatively recently, and it's questionable whether some do even still.
Point being, in earlier days it was common to refer to a road connecting Anytown and Fooville as "the Anytown road" if you were in Fooville, and "the Fooville road" if you were in Anytown. The road didn't have a name, per se, so that's just what you called it. It's likely that during the early boom years of highway building (early 20th c.) there would be a substantial realignment; that would now be referred to as "the Anytown road" and the old left-over piece is now "the old Anytown road". Eventually, the Anytown road probably gets numbered as a county or state highway, so now the common parlance is "highway 53", but you still have "the old Anytown road".
Finally, it becomes advisable for local governments to formally name their roads, so highway 53 becomes State Highway 53, and the old Anytown road becomes Old Anytown Road.
A similar situation: Remember in
Stand By Me where the kids are looking for the "back Harlow road"? Very New England! (Of course the film moves the location from Maine to Oregon, but that road name sticks out to me like LA curb addresses in
The Office.) Early on, there would have been a main road to Harlow, but there may have also been, well, a back way. And maybe also an in-between route called "the middle Harlow road". "The Harlow road", "the back Harlow road" and "the middle Harlow road". We could expect to see those roads today, 50 years after the action takes place, labeled "Route 117", "Back Road" and "Middle Road" respectively (I'm making up the route number). Nothing in the area called "Harlow Road" or any variant anymore...
Quote from: empirestate on June 23, 2012, 12:17:30 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 22, 2012, 07:51:46 PM
I've noticed a common practice up and down the east coast is to name roads "Old [town name] Road" once bypassed by a new highway. Not sure if the old highway had that name or not, but the new one usually doesn't, particularly when it's a freeway.
I think this grows out of a historic practice of referring to roads descriptively, which for much of their history was the only available method. A lot of roads never had formal names until relatively recently, and it's questionable whether some do even still.
Point being, in earlier days it was common to refer to a road connecting Anytown and Fooville as "the Anytown road" if you were in Fooville, and "the Fooville road" if you were in Anytown. The road didn't have a name, per se, so that's just what you called it. It's likely that during the early boom years of highway building (early 20th c.) there would be a substantial realignment; that would now be referred to as "the Anytown road" and the old left-over piece is now "the old Anytown road". Eventually, the Anytown road probably gets numbered as a county or state highway, so now the common parlance is "highway 53", but you still have "the old Anytown road".
Finally, it becomes advisable for local governments to formally name their roads, so highway 53 becomes State Highway 53, and the old Anytown road becomes Old Anytown Road.
A similar situation: Remember in Stand By Me where the kids are looking for the "back Harlow road"? Very New England! (Of course the film moves the location from Maine to Oregon, but that road name sticks out to me like LA curb addresses in The Office.) Early on, there would have been a main road to Harlow, but there may have also been, well, a back way. And maybe also an in-between route called "the middle Harlow road". "The Harlow road", "the back Harlow road" and "the middle Harlow road". We could expect to see those roads today, 50 years after the action takes place, labeled "Route 117", "Back Road" and "Middle Road" respectively (I'm making up the route number). Nothing in the area called "Harlow Road" or any variant anymore...
That is how US 1 got is name between Baltimore and Washington. Near Washington it is called Baltimore Avenue, then outside the 495 Beltway it becomes Baltimore- Washington Boulevard up until Elkridge where it becomes Washington Boulevard just as it enters Baltimore where it is the road leading to the Nation's Capital at that point.
In Gettysburg, PA all roads leading out of town are referred to by the city it leads to. For example, US 15 Business leading Southward out of Gettysburg is Emmitsburg Road which is the first town in MD on the old Route 15 and the road still goes there to this day. Then leading north you have Harrisburg Road cause US 15 heads there and Chambersburg and York Roads for US 30 as those are the next two cities in either direction. Baltimore Pike was once a trail used in the Civil War to get from the Capital to there, that as we all know later became US 140 and now either PA 97, MD 97, or MD 140 and nonetheless it heads to Baltimore from Gettysburg. Although, I do not know how Hagerstown got on PA 116 when there is no direct road to there as PA 116 ends well before the MD Line.
Newark, NJ has the same, however Bloomfield Avenue goes miles beyond its namesake community, and here in Orlando we have a Tampa Avenue, but it does not lead there. You do have themed streets that use towns as well. Then the old US 92 in Intersession City, FL has "Old Tampa Highway" as its name where it does go there still to this day, but new US 92 is Orange Blossom Trail up until Polk County where it is un-named except in the incorporated areas and nothing of Tampa either.
The city of Winchester, Ky. had a Potomac Avenue.
Clark County had a Potomac Drive, outside the Winchester city limits.
When a countywide 911 system was instituted, authorities felt there might be some confusion between the two roads. So Potomac Avenue in the city was renamed Olde (yes, with the pretentious "e" tacked onto the end) Potomac Avenue.
Old Liverpool Road in Liverpool, NY may be one. NY 370 is apparently named Ondadaga Parkway where it appears to be an old highway as there is a warren truss railroad bridge over NY 370 where it bypasses Old Liverpool Road. Interestingly enough, Old Liverpool Road is Truck NY 370 because the bridge is so old it is before the current height standards were set in Place and therefore must use the other roadway.
Quote from: formulanone on June 22, 2012, 08:35:41 PM
Old Railroad Bed Road in the Huntsville, Alabama area. In fact, most of the railroad was never completed, but the ROW was later used for vehicle traffic.
This one is a nice grammatical twist. That is, unless there is a new railroad bed somewhere nearby.
I grew up near a road called Old Friendship Road. There is a small community nearby that Google labels Friendship but I lived near there for 20 years and I've never heard anyone call it that (there is a Friendship United Methodist Church, though). Anyway, there is no Friendship Road or New Friendship Road to speak of.
There are a few "Old Railroad Grade" Roads in Kentucky.
When the Corp of Engineers and City of Columbus constructed Alum Creek Reservoir, they rerouted Old State Rd (Del. CR 10) to the left of the reservoir and merged it into the pre-existing Lackey Rd (between Cheshire and Berlin Station Rds) and continued it north to US 36/Oh 37.
So, South Lackey Old State Rd is newer than Old State Rd.
And Old State Rd is named as such by Delaware County Engineers because the Worthington-New Haven route was among the first of the post roads in Ohio
Quote from: empirestate on June 23, 2012, 12:17:30 PM
Point being, in earlier days it was common to refer to a road connecting Anytown and Fooville as "the Anytown road" if you were in Fooville, and "the Fooville road" if you were in Anytown.
A practice which is still common in California, especially since most counties do not assign numbered routes.
QuoteI think this grows out of a historic practice of referring to roads descriptively, which for much of their history was the only available method. A lot of roads never had formal names until relatively recently, and it's questionable whether some do even still.
This is somewhat of an aside, but back in the 1970s my parents purchased property on a road which was had no official name. Someone had unofficially named it "Leeland Road" with a wooden sign, but only much later did the county define a grid system, designating it something dull like "192nd Avenue". The colloquial name lasted a number of years, but eventually fell out of usage.
The property itself was identified by a Fire Number. (Two of them actually, the first being a sequential number and the second likely based on a coordinate system.) Now it has a conventional address of something like 12345 192nd Ave., which is unsigned and really only useful to the fire department.
So I think you are correct and it is relatively recently when it was determined that roads must have formal names and were signed as such. Probably the 1980s, or later in some parts.
Old Sauk Rd and Old Middleton Rd in Madison, WI have no "new" replacements.
Quote from: on_wisconsin on June 24, 2012, 02:16:36 AM
Old Sauk Rd and Old Middleton Rd in Madison, WI have no "new" replacements.
Conversely, there is a stretch of University Ave in Madison that is [somewhat] commonly referred to as "Old University Ave", even through the expressway that partially "replaced" it/bypasses it is called Campus Dr. No street signs bear the "Old" prefix, but that doesn't stop some residents, newspapers, and a property development company from using it.
Quote from: DaBigE on June 24, 2012, 02:53:39 AM
Quote from: on_wisconsin on June 24, 2012, 02:16:36 AM
Old Sauk Rd and Old Middleton Rd in Madison, WI have no "new" replacements.
Conversely, there is a stretch of University Ave in Madison that is [somewhat] commonly referred to as "Old University Ave", even through the expressway that partially "replaced" it/bypasses it is called Campus Dr. No street signs bear the "Old" prefix, but that doesn't stop some residents, newspapers, and a property development company from using it.
Metro also refers to it as 'Old' University Ave.
holy crap guys I saw a sign that said old US federal route 666 and there was no new US federal route 666
Quote from: NE2 on June 24, 2012, 03:40:31 AM
holy crap guys I saw a sign that said old US federal route 666 and there was no new US federal route 666
Now that's a cryin' shame!
Quote from: empirestate on June 23, 2012, 12:17:30 PM
I think this grows out of a historic practice of referring to roads descriptively, which for much of their history was the only available method. A lot of roads never had formal names until relatively recently, and it's questionable whether some do even still.
I wonder if that's how CR-535 ended up being Old Trenton Rd through East and West Windsor (and I think a small bit of Hamilton and Cranbury) in NJ. If you look at the map, the road certainly does take you to Trenton, though it's definitely not the best way to go nowadays (assuming you'd even *want* to go to Trenton). I lived in the area for a few years, and I never did find a New Trenton (or just Trenton) Road.
Quote from: Revive 755 on June 22, 2012, 09:16:18 PM
There's an Old Cheney Road in Lincoln, Nebraska, but the road does not go to the town of Cheney, and there is no New Cheney Road.
I was surprised to see somebody else mention this one-it's obviously the first one that came to my mind. I think under a previous alignment it may have curved to go into the town of Cheney maybe along the current alignment of NE 2. I know I have seen an old Lincoln map from the mid 1960s that designated it as "Cheney Rd." I don't think it was an error-I think the "Old" was added sometime after then. Every map I have seen from about the late 1960s has it as "Old Cheney Rd.".
Quote from: roadman65 on June 22, 2012, 07:04:44 PM
I noticed that in Orlando, FL you have Old Winter Garden Road, but no New Winter Garden Road or even a Winter Garden Road.
In Kissimmee, FL you have Old Vineland Road, but no new or something modern.
Both of these are old roads of newer alignments, FL 50 and US 192, but if they left the old names as is, it would not create confusion.
Old Cheney Highway in East Orlando, has a Cheney Highway in Brevard County several miles to the east, but once part of the same.
Montgomery County, Maryland has Md. 187, Old Georgetown Road, even though there's no New Georgetown Road nearby. Four or five Capital Beltway interchanges away from Md. 187 we find Va. 193, Georgetown Pike which (in terms of alignment) is "older" than Md. 187, but is
not called
Old Georgetown Pike.
Quote from: flowmotion on June 24, 2012, 01:22:37 AM
So I think you are correct and it is relatively recently when it was determined that roads must have formal names and were signed as such. Probably the 1980s, or later in some parts.
A lot of this has to do with establishment of Enhanced 911 (E-911) systems. Especially in rural counties/parishes (at least in my own state), the communications districts often take the lead in standardizing street naming and addressing systems - essentially, so that first responders can more easily locate people in emergencies.
If there's an Old English 800 highway, I can just about promise you there's no New English 800...LOL!
Rick
Quote from: bulkyorled on June 23, 2012, 11:58:41 AM
The Old Road in Santa Clarita, CA (and surrounding communities)
There isn't anything called "The New Road" or anything, oddly enough anyone who doesn't know the history about the street, it use to be called San Fernando Rd which continues on south after Sierra Hwy...
Not sure why they didnt just keep it SF Road
What is now called "Newhall Avenue" in Santa Clarita was once known as San Fernando Road. The Old Road refers to Old U.S. Route 99.
Tyler, TX has several of these:
Old Bullard Road, Old Noonday Road, Old Jacksonville Highway, Old Longview Road, Old Kilgore Road, Old Henderson Highway, Old Omen Road.
None of these have a newer version of themselves, but most have a more modern replacement:
-- Old Bullard has since had 2 newer ways to get to Bullard, FM 2493 (historic US 69) and the current US 69 (which runs closer to Old Bullard Road than FM 2493 does).
-- Old Noonday has a much straighter way to get to Noonday, TX 155 south (also labeled Frankston Highway).
-- Old Jacksonville is now FM 2493 and was US 69's previous routing (which did go to Jacksonville) before the current US 69 alignment was built.
-- Old Longview was apparently an old way to get to Longview, but now you can take TX 31, US 271, or I-20 to get there.
-- Old Kilgore is now signed as FM 850/FM 2767, while TX 31 is the more modern, straighter way to get to Kilgore now.
-- Old Henderson has since been replaced with a straighter way to Henderson, along TX 64 east.
-- Old Omen was the way to the town of Omen, but its path was cut by the construction of Lake Tyler and Lake Tyler East; now a county road that turns off TX 64 east can access Omen to the east of Lake Tyler East (but has no "Omen" label).
Meanwhile, the other "old" roads -- Old Chandler Road, Old Dallas Highway, and Old Troup Highway have newer (none named "New") alignments:
Chandler Highway (TX 31 west), Dallas Highway (unofficial name for TX 64 west), Troup Highway (TX 110 south)
Quote from: JustDrive on June 25, 2012, 12:42:05 AM
Quote from: bulkyorled on June 23, 2012, 11:58:41 AM
The Old Road in Santa Clarita, CA (and surrounding communities)
There isn't anything called "The New Road" or anything, oddly enough anyone who doesn't know the history about the street, it use to be called San Fernando Rd which continues on south after Sierra Hwy...
Not sure why they didnt just keep it SF Road
What is now called "Newhall Avenue" in Santa Clarita was once known as San Fernando Road. The Old Road refers to Old U.S. Route 99.
The Old Road refers to Old US 99 & San Fernando Rd.
San Fernando Road which was changed into Newhall, Main and Railroad, east of SF Road/The Old Rd, was unrelated. The "other" SF Road now Newhall and etc IS in Santa Clarita but The Old Road doesn't technically enter Santa Clarita city boundaries, it just straddles the line on the Stevenson Ranch side
I know of several Old Stage Roads that are so named due to their (alleged) once being stagecoach routes.
Jacksonville Florida has a few "Old" roads. Usually an old alignment of the road. (Old Baymeadows Rd, Old Roosevelt Blvd)
Some are the Old Road to Places. Old Middleburg Rd used to turn into a dirt trail through the woods to Middleburg. During WWII the government build a road to Camp Blanding from Jacksonville and since it was paved it became the road to Middleburg but it was called Camp Blanding Rd and that evolved into Blanding Blvd( SR 21).
St Augustine Rd is an old alignment of US 1 that exists in 2 parts on the southside of Jacksonville. When I-295 was built the exit to St Augustine Rd has Old St Augustine Rd on the BGS ( to discourage people from using it as a route to St Augustine) but it was never officially called Old SA Rd. Now the northern section of the Rd is called St Augustine Rd and the southern section is Old St Augustine Rd. When a new exit was built off of I-95 to St Augustine Rd the BGS said "St Augustine Rd" but it was changed to Old St Augustine Rd a few months later to avoid confusion. The old sort of implies a decrepit forgotten section of road but Old St Augustine Rd is all 4-5 lanes w a big exit at 95 and a SPUI at 295.
We do have a "New" Road here. The Kings Road was built when Florida was a British Possession from GA to New Smyrna Beach. It crossed teh St JOhns River where downtown Jacksonville is now. In north Jacksonville "Kings Road" splits into "Old Kings Rd" and "New Kings Rd" In S Jax there is and Old Kings Rd S which is essentailly the "Older" St Augustine Rd. ( There is an Old Kings Rd in Flagler County which was until a few years ago a dirt road with and overpass over I-95 just south of exit 298( US 1) its paved now)
Part of Old Kings Rd in South Jacksonville was realigned and the bypassed section is called "Historic Kings Rd"
Quote from: Takumi on June 25, 2012, 09:26:54 AM
I know of several Old Stage Roads that are so named due to their (alleged) once being stagecoach routes.
There's one here in Salinas. I've always wondered what it meant.
Quote from: nexus73 on June 24, 2012, 10:50:02 PM
If there's an Old English 800 highway, I can just about promise you there's no New English 800...LOL!
Rick
It was changed to Colt 45 in the Malt Liquor Renumbering Scheme in '40.
Quote from: formulanone on June 25, 2012, 05:18:51 PM
Quote from: nexus73 on June 24, 2012, 10:50:02 PM
If there's an Old English 800 highway, I can just about promise you there's no New English 800...LOL!
Rick
It was changed to Colt 45 in the Malt Liquor Renumbering Scheme in '40.
That't the road to St Ides isn't it?
Which was bypassed by the Schlitz Freeway (with it's Blue Bull northbound lanes, and Red Bull southbound lanes).
Quote from: DaBigE on June 24, 2012, 02:53:39 AM
Quote from: on_wisconsin on June 24, 2012, 02:16:36 AM
Old Sauk Rd and Old Middleton Rd in Madison, WI have no "new" replacements.
Conversely, there is a stretch of University Ave in Madison that is [somewhat] commonly referred to as "Old University Ave", even through the expressway that partially "replaced" it/bypasses it is called Campus Dr. No street signs bear the "Old" prefix, but that doesn't stop some residents, newspapers, and a property development company from using it.
Meanwhile, in Milwaukee there is Old World 3rd Street, but no World 3rd Street. :-D
Garden City, Kansas, has an Old Lovers Lane but not a New Lovers Lane ... or a Young Lovers Lane. The road was known as "Lovers Lane" because that's where the younguns hung out in the 50s and 60s but it was originally an extension of Fulton St. Then later, Fulton St. was changed to the current alignment of Business U.S. 50. So it would have made more sense for this to have been called "Old Fulton St."
Old Dixie Highway has no new Dixie Highway in the states between Detroit and Miami. In Orlando, the Old Dixie Highway became Orange Avenue and a few years ago Osceola County re-named their section of Old Dixie Highway north of Osceola Parkway to match Orange County to Orange Avenue. Between Orlando and Kissimmee, ODH was the original US 17, 92, and 441 before 1945 when the Orange Blossom Trail was built.
Old Hickory Boulevard that used to loop around Nashville.
There is an "Old State Road" around Nimbywood - sorry, Wildwood, Missouri. While technically there is no current "State Road," I think the Old State part is referring to the road once being a state highway. However, looking through the old maps on MoDOT's site, I'm not seeing anything in the area that matches the alignment; the first route that appears (a Route B on the 1933 map) appears to follow the alignment MO 109 uses today.
A short old alignment of PA 183 east of Mount Pleasant is called Old State Road, but new 183 is called Bernville Road. (Of course, there's still an old/regular set, so it's not really an Old This without a New That.)
When I was little, I thought that an old alignment had to be called Old This, and the new alignment called either New This or just This. The above example used to confuse me.
I was once reading that Old York Road in Philadelphia and Bucks County was a stage route in historic times. It was the route the stage took between New York and Philadelphia. It followed the current PA 611, PA 263, US 202, and PA 179 all northward and across the Delaware at New Hope.
In New Jersey there are parts of it still called it as it is for parts of PA 611 on CR 514, CR 567, and un-numbered roads in Somerset and Hunterdon Counties. The town of Centerville in Readington Township, NJ was the mid point for stage travelers en route from New York to Philadelphia. That is how it received its name and once had an inn there for the passengers to stay overnight as it once took two days to do what we now can do in just over an hour via the NJ Turnpike.
Of course we all know the NJ Turnpike is not called a New New York Road or even US 1 or the Lincoln Highway which is the first cross country auto route before route numbers came into play.
Quote from: HighwayMaster on June 30, 2012, 11:40:53 AM
Old Hickory Boulevard that used to loop around Nashville.
I don't think it's every completely looped around Nashville. On the east side, it was broken when Percy Priest Lake was formed. AFAIK, it never linked up across the Cumberland.
Now, in this case, "Old Hickory" comes from nickname of President Andrew Jackson as the road passes close to his onetime home, The Hermitage, on the east side of Nashville.
Even though it is not a 100% loop, it is still enough of one that all three interstates in town, (24, 40, 65) have TWO Old Hickory Blvd. exits! Or, SIX Old Hickory Blvd. exits in total.
EDIT:
On a different vein, the road that my parents' house is on is one that used to have a "NEW" counterpart, but no longer. The road is Old Berwick Rd. which is the previous (original?) alignment of US 11 between Bloomsburg and Berwick. Around 1960 or 1961 a newer 3-4 lane concrete highway was built as was dubbed "New Berwick Highway". Somewhere in the last 10-15 years it was renamed to Columbia Blvd. (Anyway, the idea of a 40-50 year old highway being "new" seems strange to me anyway.)
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on June 24, 2012, 12:03:38 AM
When the Corp of Engineers and City of Columbus constructed Alum Creek Reservoir, they rerouted Old State Rd (Del. CR 10) to the left of the reservoir and merged it into the pre-existing Lackey Rd (between Cheshire and Berlin Station Rds) and continued it north to US 36/Oh 37.
So, South Lackey Old State Rd is newer than Old State Rd.
And Old State Rd is named as such by Delaware County Engineers because the Worthington-New Haven route was among the first of the post roads in Ohio
We return to Old State Road (Central Ohio version) with a newspaper story about said road
http://galionlive.com/2012/05/12/traveling-the-old-state-road/
In the southeastern part of Fremont, Nebraska, they have Old Highway 8 without there being a new highway 8, or even a highway 8, which in Nebraska is in a completely different part of the state. Then again, US 275 superceded that long ago.
Southeast of Ithaca, NY there's Old Seventy-Six Road, but no Seventy-Six Road (however, the "Old" is sometimes dropped from this road's name). I don't recall its history, but I believe Seventy-Six was a locale, perhaps named after a stage route, so it turns out to be a typical naming pattern.
Quote from: DandyDan on July 03, 2012, 02:12:40 AM
In the southeastern part of Fremont, Nebraska, they have Old Highway 8 without there being a new highway 8, or even a highway 8, which in Nebraska is in a completely different part of the state. Then again, US 275 superceded that long ago.
Kind of like Old State Road 8 in south-central Florida; it was State Road 8 before the 1945 Renumbering. The "new" State Road 8 is a secret route number for I-10 throughout Florida, hundreds of miles away, but not labeled as such. (Although I
would like to be proven wrong.)
I grew up near "Old San Francisco Road" in Sunnyvale, CA. There was no "New San Francisco Road."
Old Courthouse Road near Tysons Corner, Virginia, does not have a Courthouse Road anywhere nearby. Nor is there a courthouse anywhere in the area (it's located in an exclave inside Fairfax City). A clue to the name's origin comes from an intersecting road–Gallows Road. Apparently once upon a time both a courthouse and a gallows were located somewhere in the Tysons area–which used to contain the highest point in Fairfax County until the landfill surpassed it–and "Old Courthouse Road" literally refers to the "old courthouse." From what I've read, though, that particular courthouse was not the place where criminals were sentenced to death–apparently that occurred elsewhere and then they were transported down Gallows Road to be hanged.
A gated community not far from where I live has "Old Butterscotch Road" but there is no "Butterscotch Road" to be found.
Plenty to name! One is called Old Jena Road, which at the other end is Old Harrisonburg Road. There is no New of either one.
Also have Old State Road, but no new state road. Old Gentilly Road, but the new Gentilly Road is only known as Old US 90.
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on June 24, 2012, 12:03:38 AM
And Old State Rd is named as such by Delaware County Engineers because the Worthington-New Haven route was among the first of the post roads in Ohio
Completely off topic, but I love these stories. I felt like a museum guide trying to explain High Free Pike to my wife when we moved back to Ohio.
Quote from: mcdonaat on July 17, 2012, 07:47:18 PM
Also have Old State Road, but no new state road.
No state-numbered route of any kind in the area? That's fairly rare, but not unheard of. There's an Old State Road in Allegany and Livingston Counties in New York, which predates the numbered system; today it's not even a county highway, but on the map it draws a distinctively straight line between Angelica and Nunda. What's fun is that, as a gravel road, it probably more closely resembles the earliest state highways than anything still on the state system today.
Quote from: ljwestmcsd on July 16, 2012, 08:35:06 PM
I grew up near "Old San Francisco Road" in Sunnyvale, CA. There was no "New San Francisco Road."
Looking at its proximity to Route 82...was this an old alignment (possibly pre-US 101) of El Camino Real?
That reminds me, in Rancho Cordova, there's an "Old Placerville Road" that does not appear at all to be a former US 50 alignment...not sure if it was some old stage road that was paved as the Folsom Boulevard routing for US 50/Lincoln Highway ended up being favored over time.
In Newbury Park, California, there is an Old Conejo (Co-NAY-ho--Spanish for "rabbit") Road. It used to be the main highway (US 101) before the freeway was built in the 1960s. The Conejo Grade where the freeway drops down to the Oxnard Plain is just west of Newbury Park.
US 80 is referred to as "Old 80" by alot of people around here. But, there is no "New 80"....however, they are distinguishing it from "New" I-20...built between 1959 and 1975.
Just remembered this one. Locals refer to the KY 11/KY 15 concurrency through Powell County as "Old 15" even though there is not a new routing of KY 15. They say this because the Mountain Parkway parallels KY 15 through Powell County.
Slightly different twist: there is an Old Nichols Road on Long Island, and the nearby Suffolk CR 97, officially called Nicolls Road (note spelling difference), is often referred to by locals as "New Nicolls Road" to distinguish it from the old. The two roads are pretty near each other, but there isn't a direct naming correlation as far as I can tell. CR 97 isn't a newer routing of Old Nichols Road.
I grew up off of Old Keene Mill Rd (SR-644) in Springfield, VA, which is emblematic of this situation. There is no "Keene Mill Rd" or "New Keene Mill Rd." It's the original road in its original form, save for widening of the road. People usually call it Keene Mill Rd, though. At one time, there was one street sign that said "Keene Mill Rd" (without the "Old") at the JCT with Rolling Rd (SR-638). It's long gone, taken down when Fairfax County started replacing the smaller green street signs (few of which still exist, except in some older subdivisions) with the bigger blue street signs, now ubiquitous, in the '90s.
There's a false one here in Omaha, or at least there used to be one. I know there used to be a commercial for a business (probably a bar) on "Old L Street" west of 132nd Street. But west of 132nd Street, there is no "Old L Street", it's just simply L Street. 132nd and L in Omaha (this would be the intersection of US 275/NE 92 and NE 50) is one of those bizarre intersections where all 4 roads which radiate from it have a different name (132nd St. goes north, Millard Blvd goes SW, Industrial Blvd goes NW and L St. goes east), and this business probably believes the L Street designation simply goes west along the route of US 275/NE 92, which in reality is NW along Industrial.
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The Old Road in Santa Clarita, CA (and surrounding communities)
There isn't anything called "The New Road" or anything, oddly enough anyone who doesn't know the history about the street, it use to be called San Fernando Rd which continues on south after Sierra Hwy...
Not sure why they didnt just keep it SF Road
What is now called "Newhall Avenue" in Santa Clarita was once known as San Fernando Road. The Old Road refers to Old U.S. Route 99.
The Old Road refers to Old US 99 & San Fernando Rd.
San Fernando Road which was changed into Newhall, Main and Railroad, east of SF Road/The Old Rd, was unrelated. The "other" SF Road now Newhall and etc IS in Santa Clarita but The Old Road doesn't technically enter Santa Clarita city boundaries, it just straddles the line on the Stevenson Ranch side
The Old Road, mostly the former alignment of US 99 through the Santa Clarita area, is one of those roads that Road is a part of the name, not a suffix. I sadly see "The Old Rd" many times there. It is the The Old Road, not The Old. The old sections run from Sierra Highway to Calgrove Blvd and from JNO Valencia Blvd (though even that has been heavily modified) to near Castaic.
There's a couple of long stretches through Nassau and Suffolk County called Old Country Rd, but no Country or New Country Rd. to speak of. My town also has an Old State Rd, which is a town road now. There is a state route that runs parallel to this short stretch, but it is not called State Road or New State Rd.
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My town also has an Old State Rd, which is a town road now. There is a state route that runs parallel to this short stretch, but it is not called State Road or New State Rd.
Not today, perhaps, but I bet when Old State Road was originally built, it was called simply "the state road". So the "new" that goes with the "Old" in this case is the same road, rather than the more modern counterpart.
New Jersey has the famed Old Mine Road in Warren and Sussex counties. It supposedly dates from the 1600s or so, and thus is pretty old. I don't know if there was ever a New equivalent, but I think it's just called old because compared to pretty much everything else there it's old.
I lived on Old Highway 8 in Roseville, MN, which got the "old" designation after U.S. 8 was moved onto a new alignment built concurrently with the construction of I-35W. By the time I lived there, U.S. 8 had been truncated to north of the Twin Cities (its relocated alignment became MN-88) and so there is no longer a Highway 8 in this area.
Bloomington MN has Old Shakopee Road (which I just drove on the other day). There has never been a New Shakopee Road.
In New Brighton we have Old Highway 8 (that's the actual street name). Due to the truncation of US 8, there is no longer a (new) Highway 8 anywhere near this road.
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Bloomington MN has Old Shakopee Road (which I just drove on the other day). There has never been a New Shakopee Road.
In New Brighton we have Old Highway 8 (that's the actual street name). Due to the truncation of US 8, there is no longer a (new) Highway 8 anywhere near this road.
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I've been caught by that message "WARNING WHILE YOU WERE TYPING ANOTHER REPLY WAS POSTED" or words to that effect. For once I beat the other message by 80 seconds.
Old Shakopee Road was the original 1920 Constitutional Routes 5 and 52, which came across the Bloomington Ferry Bridge from Shakopee then angled up toward Ft. Snelling. So, it was the Shakopee road for traffic coming from St. Paul and Minneapolis.