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Title: US 71 in Oklahoma?
Post by: bugo on July 19, 2012, 02:22:02 AM
From the 1927 Oklahoma official map:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_j1d_uBKRBBE%2FTAlHvb0jffI%2FAAAAAAAAAD4%2FNm1RW0BSVh4%2Fs1600%2F1927_pdf.jpg&hash=66ca98562bb6cbc8e7925712b3807e20547cb9d7)

Was US 71 actually going to be routed through Poteau?  I have never seen another map that corroborates US 71 in Oklahoma, but it's possible that it was a temporary routing because the road through Poteau was better at the time (I have no idea if that's true or not, I'm just making a guess.)  Lots of "original" US routes were actually temporary routes and it's possible that lots of these classic alignments were never signed.
Title: Re: US 71 in Oklahoma?
Post by: US71 on July 19, 2012, 08:23:10 AM
I've never seen that before. Didn't 271 follow that route at one time? Maybe the mapmaker got confused?

It would be interesting to ask the Oklahoma DOT to see if they know anything.
Title: Re: US 71 in Oklahoma?
Post by: bugo on July 19, 2012, 03:34:57 PM
US 271 originally ran from Mena to Fort Smith along current US 59 and 271.  The exact route is not known as maps of the era are contradictory.  Here's a blog I wrote on the subject:

http://bugo348.blogspot.com/2010/06/us-271.html
Title: Re: US 71 in Oklahoma?
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 19, 2012, 03:50:28 PM
awesome stuff!

for the record, I've never seen an Oklahoma US 71 or 371 shield.

but I have seen a 260. 

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/OK/OK19262601i1.jpg)

was that made up based on the 1925 preliminary routing?
Title: Re: US 71 in Oklahoma?
Post by: US71 on July 19, 2012, 03:57:26 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 19, 2012, 03:50:28 PM
awesome stuff!

for the record, I've never seen an Oklahoma US 71 or 371 shield.

but I have seen a 260. 


Funky looking sign, there. Where did you find that?
Title: Re: US 71 in Oklahoma?
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 19, 2012, 03:58:32 PM
it's a photo that has been floating around.  no one knows where it came from.

the sign is the earliest standard - OKLA up top, custom fonts. 

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/OK/OK19260601i1.jpg)
Title: Re: US 71 in Oklahoma?
Post by: bugo on July 19, 2012, 04:23:12 PM
US 260 is now US 266.
Title: Re: US 71 in Oklahoma?
Post by: US71 on July 19, 2012, 04:31:43 PM
Quote from: bugo on July 19, 2012, 04:23:12 PM
US 260 is now US 266.

In that case, it might be a relic of the 60/66 squabble.  :cool:
Title: Re: US 71 in Oklahoma?
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 19, 2012, 04:36:07 PM
Oklahoma really jumped the gun, then.  at least they were able to reuse the 60s intended for 66 on the route that actually became 60.

so that makes me wonder ... are ALL the OKLA (as opposed to OKLAHOMA) shields done before the renumbering?  i.e. early 26 or so?  late 25? 

the 60 and 260 are the only OKLA I have seen.

but I've also seen a 1945 (!) signage manual that showed a drawing of an OKLA.
Title: Re: US 71 in Oklahoma?
Post by: US71 on July 19, 2012, 06:13:19 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 19, 2012, 04:36:07 PM
Oklahoma really jumped the gun, then.  at least they were able to reuse the 60s intended for 66 on the route that actually became 60.

so that makes me wonder ... are ALL the OKLA (as opposed to OKLAHOMA) shields done before the renumbering?  i.e. early 26 or so?  late 25? 

the 60 and 260 are the only OKLA I have seen.

but I've also seen a 1945 (!) signage manual that showed a drawing of an OKLA.

I'd love to see that sign manual. I suppose duplicating such a sign would be a near impossibility?
Title: Re: US 71 in Oklahoma?
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 19, 2012, 06:19:47 PM
I emailed you.  a flat one can be made, but embossed... good luck with that!
Title: Re: US 71 in Oklahoma?
Post by: Mapmikey on July 19, 2012, 08:54:18 PM
Quote from: bugo on July 19, 2012, 02:22:02 AM
From the 1927 Oklahoma official map:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_j1d_uBKRBBE%2FTAlHvb0jffI%2FAAAAAAAAAD4%2FNm1RW0BSVh4%2Fs1600%2F1927_pdf.jpg&hash=66ca98562bb6cbc8e7925712b3807e20547cb9d7)

Was US 71 actually going to be routed through Poteau?  I have never seen another map that corroborates US 71 in Oklahoma, but it's possible that it was a temporary routing because the road through Poteau was better at the time (I have no idea if that's true or not, I'm just making a guess.)  Lots of "original" US routes were actually temporary routes and it's possible that lots of these classic alignments were never signed.

The 1927-28 Virginia Official Maps have a US map on its reverse that shows the US route system but only labels routes ending in 0 or 1, plus US 66.  It is done by General Drafting and it shows US 71 in Oklahoma.

Mapmikey
Title: Re: US 71 in Oklahoma?
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 19, 2012, 08:59:07 PM
interesting how even then, US-66 was considered an important route.
Title: Re: US 71 in Oklahoma?
Post by: US71 on July 19, 2012, 09:52:49 PM
I appear to be missing a couple maps, but going back to 1931, I can find nothing on US 71 or US 371 in Oklahoma. US 270 is close to its current alignment coming into Acorn, (though going about a mile south to connect to 71)  but there is no sign of US 59.

Somewhere I have/had a 1926 map of Arkansas, but it is missing at this time.
Title: Re: US 71 in Oklahoma?
Post by: Scott5114 on July 20, 2012, 12:37:16 AM
Hey Jake, ever seen an Oklahoma US 164?
Title: Re: US 71 in Oklahoma?
Post by: bugo on July 20, 2012, 12:51:02 AM
Quote from: US71 on July 19, 2012, 04:31:43 PM
Quote from: bugo on July 19, 2012, 04:23:12 PM
US 260 is now US 266.

In that case, it might be a relic of the 60/66 squabble.  :cool:

Absolutely.  Several routes were renumbered because of the 60/62/66 shitfit.
Title: Re: US 71 in Oklahoma?
Post by: bugo on July 20, 2012, 12:55:24 AM
Or a Kansas US 270 or US 177?
Title: Re: US 71 in Oklahoma?
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 20, 2012, 11:43:13 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 20, 2012, 12:37:16 AM
Hey Jake, ever seen an Oklahoma US 164?
nope, nor a Texas.  I have seen neither a field photo nor a surviving example of that 164.