Only two states have no non-Interstate freeways (three if you don't count US 20-26 in Casper, WY): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:NE2/other_freeways
Nice list, what's the reason for the damage?
Quote from: NYYPhil777 on October 01, 2012, 02:02:15 PM
Nice list, what's the reason for the damage?
Here's the OSMF propaganda: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License
Let's not discuss this in this thread.
Quote from: NE2 on October 01, 2012, 02:53:12 PM
Quote from: NYYPhil777 on October 01, 2012, 02:02:15 PM
Nice list, what's the reason for the damage?
Here's the OSMF propaganda: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License
Let's not discuss this in this thread.
I'm not willing to discuss that either.
Quoteseveral city freeways in Long Beach, CA
this I'd like to know about.
also, to add a potential California item: what about the freeway stubs for both ends of Colorado Blvd in LA/Glendale?
those ends (both coming off I-5 and coming off CA-134), I believe, are somehow on the books as CA-134, despite it being a completely different alignment than the post-1971 freeway which is currently signed as 134.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 01, 2012, 04:28:28 PM
Quoteseveral city freeways in Long Beach, CA
this I'd like to know about.
Coming off the 710: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.76611&lon=-118.20152&zoom=15&layers=M
It looks rather overbuilt to me, especially with the tight cloverleaves to the north.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 01, 2012, 04:28:28 PM
also, to add a potential California item: what about the freeway stubs for both ends of Colorado Blvd in LA/Glendale?
those ends (both coming off I-5 and coming off CA-134), I believe, are somehow on the books as CA-134, despite it being a completely different alignment than the post-1971 freeway which is currently signed as 134.
That didn't come up in my search because it's in OSM as ramps.
Quote from: NE2 on October 01, 2012, 06:43:54 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 01, 2012, 04:28:28 PM
Quoteseveral city freeways in Long Beach, CA
this I'd like to know about.
Coming off the 710: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.76611&lon=-118.20152&zoom=15&layers=M
It looks rather overbuilt to me, especially with the tight cloverleaves to the north.
I had wondered how that was classified. I recall 710 splitting into 3, and I had thought Caltrans maintained the whole thing. I tend to say "710 has 6 termini", to reflect that happening at the south end, and also the gap between Valley Boulevard and the approach to the 134/210/710 junction.
The Port of Long Beach maintains Harbor Scenic Drive: http://www.polb.com/economics/contractors/rfq_rfp/request.asp?bidID=173
And https://www.aaroads.com/california/long_beach.html says that Long Beach maintains Shoreline Drive.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 01, 2012, 04:28:28 PM
Quoteseveral city freeways in Long Beach, CA
this I'd like to know about.
also, to add a potential California item: what about the freeway stubs for both ends of Colorado Blvd in LA/Glendale?
those ends (both coming off I-5 and coming off CA-134), I believe, are somehow on the books as CA-134, despite it being a completely different alignment than the post-1971 freeway which is currently signed as 134.
What's the story behind that? Was that the intended routing of 134? I can't imagine proposing another freeway there with 134 so close.
Quote from: Steve on October 01, 2012, 07:42:45 PMWhat's the story behind that? Was that the intended routing of 134? I can't imagine proposing another freeway there with 134 so close.
It might indeed have been an originally projected routing of SR 134 which was later superseded by the current SR 134 routing, but I don't think that is necessarily the case. The first part of the SR 134 freeway to be built was called the Colorado Freeway, started around 1950, and so called because it parallels Colorado Blvd.; indeed the freeway ties in with its namesake surface street at both ends. The freeway crossing of the Arroyo Seco is a concrete arch bridge which was designed as an architectural tribute to the Colorado Blvd. crossing (built mid-1920's) and received considerable attention in
CHPW during construction.
Quote from: J N Winkler on October 01, 2012, 08:44:41 PM
Quote from: Steve on October 01, 2012, 07:42:45 PMWhat's the story behind that? Was that the intended routing of 134? I can't imagine proposing another freeway there with 134 so close.
It might indeed have been an originally projected routing of SR 134 which was later superseded by the current SR 134 routing, but I don't think that is necessarily the case. The first part of the SR 134 freeway to be built was called the Colorado Freeway, started around 1950, and so called because it parallels Colorado Blvd.; indeed the freeway ties in with its namesake surface street at both ends. The freeway crossing of the Arroyo Seco is a concrete arch bridge which was designed as an architectural tribute to the Colorado Blvd. crossing (built mid-1920's) and received considerable attention in CHPW during construction.
That much I know, but then the western 5 interchange doesn't tie in with that understanding.
I'm not sure how to test the aborted-alignment hypothesis short of finding old planning documentation. The original construction plans for the Colorado Freeway bridge might have hatched lines showing where a westward continuation of the freeway was expected to go, but while I have managed to find construction plans for a widening of the original 1954 bridge that was carried out in the mid-1970's, I don't think I have plans for the 1950's work. (For this I have to depend on the LA City DPW engineering vault, and I feel lucky to have even this much information since very little, if any, of this is actually in Los Angeles.)
Speaking as an L.A.-area native who remembers the 134 Freeway through Glendale being built in 1967-'68 (the stretch west of I-5 toward Burbank and the San Fernado Valley was built a few years earlier), it's entirely possible that the original routing of the freeway might have been a little more to the south for a brief period of time when the original Colorado Freeway out of Pasadena was being built. But the current route of the freeway through Glendale and hooking into I-5 where it does takes a more practical path: For those of you unfamiliar with Los Angeles topography, immediately to the southwest of the 5/134 interchange is a corner of the Hollywood Hills; Griffith Park encompasses this segment. The Los Angeles Zoo is right there, too, as is a much more recent addition in the Gene Autrey Western Museum. To route the 134 Freeway east from Burbank to the Colorado Street piece of freeway off of I-5 would've required blowing up half the Hollywood Hills and Griffith Park; it was far easier to run it along the Los Angeles River which runs east out of the San Fernando Valley until it reaches a point just northeast of the 5/134 interchange, at which point it bends 90 degrees south and heads on its way to its mouth at the Port of Long Beach some 30 miles away.
Another short freeway in California: Golden State Boulevard (old 99) in Fresno