The anal road enthusiast (ARE) is an odd creature. Instead of celebrating unique things about or roads, the ARE wants every sign error fixed pronto, even the harmless ones like AR 71 instead of US 71. They do not tolerate highways that break the grid, even though they are diagonal. They hate anomalies like US 412 and I-238, roads that break the boring AASHTO guidelines. They believe the US highway and Interstate grids should be perfect and every highway should fit in its place, even where it's not practical. They whine to DOTs when an error sign is placed no matter how petty. They want everything to fit into a nice little box even when impractical. They are so used to order and rules in their lives that they can't stand it when any of those rules are broken in any way. The ARE knows who they are and that they are this way, and they celebrate it. If you see an ARE, turn around and walk away slowly, then run like hell. ARE is a contagious disease and is a lifelong affliction you can't get rid of. If you exhibit any of these warning signs, call your doctor immediately.
the subject is funny!
It's true! Look at how many road enthusiasts get downright livid about US 400, 412, and 425. I like the numbers because they are anomalies, just like the error US 66 sign that was posted in Tulsa for about 2 weeks. I'm glad I got a picture of that. Some of the AREs would contact ODOT and try to get the sign replaced by a meat cleaver. I was hoping it would stay up for years.
It's gone now, but here's proof that it existed. It was literally up about 2 weeks. I'm glad that it was on a route that I often take (took) and that it caught my eye.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8174%2F8007986781_8ef1fee094_o.jpg&hash=fcbf289860fff297ddc3c7c7e484a0f4493799f9)
Quote from: bugo on October 05, 2012, 11:40:42 AM
It's true! Look at how many road enthusiasts get downright livid about US 400, 412, and 425. I like the numbers because they are anomalies, just like the error US 66 sign that was posted in Tulsa for about 2 weeks. I'm glad I got a picture of that. Some of the AREs would contact ODOT and try to get the sign replaced by a meat cleaver. I was hoping it would stay up for years.
we are livid about some numbering anomaly and our friends and family dont even know the number. And if they do its no big deal.
"but dont you understand its not in the grid!!" is in our mind as the other person just sits there
This reminds me of the "status quo" society we live in... :pan: Good thing I'm not an ARE (in most cases).
These people are no fun- most of the fun of having a rigid structure is seeing anomalies to that structure. If it were perfectly uniform, it would be terribly boring.
Quote from: corco on October 05, 2012, 12:32:09 PM
These people are no fun- most of the fun of having a rigid structure is seeing anomalies to that structure. If it were perfectly uniform, it would be terribly boring.
Exactly.
I enjoy the out-of-place, out-of-grid, out-of-its-mind stuff, to be honest. I have no interest in a world or hobby where all is uniform and totally predictable. I like design errors, that means there's variety. A few things that break convention are worth the trouble of investigation. I rather prefer the shields which have their quirks, the roads that aren't straight, and the occasional things that make no earthly sense.
I understand there are those here with their own agendas, whether it's their livelihood or just their particular flights of fancy...I don't know it all, and I see no reason to overly criticize either way.
They also have a knack for finding and reporting on every teeny, tiny little 'error' they see on roads and signs.
Quote from: Beltway on October 05, 2012, 04:58:43 PM
They also have a knack for finding and reporting on every teeny, tiny little 'error' they see on roads and signs.
And posting it on the "Worst of" thread, no less.
I wonder what the ARE would do in a third-world country.....
Quote from: jwolfer on October 05, 2012, 11:51:37 AM
"but dont you understand its not in the grid!!" is in our mind as the other person just sits there
That would be an outrage to CLU in 'Tron'!
Quote from: Beltway on October 05, 2012, 04:58:43 PM
They also have a knack for finding and reporting on every teeny, tiny little 'error' they see on roads and signs.
I regrettably and totally accidentally got some error OK 82 shields removed from a stretch of US 59 just south of Sallisaw, OK. The OK 82 shields were posted, so I emailed ODOT asking if the two segments of OK 82 were being connected and they realized the signs had been posted in error and removed them. I felt really, really bad.
Quote from: bugo on October 06, 2012, 01:13:52 AM
Quote from: Beltway on October 05, 2012, 04:58:43 PM
They also have a knack for finding and reporting on every teeny, tiny little 'error' they see on roads and signs.
I regrettably and totally accidentally got some error OK 82 shields removed from a stretch of US 59 just south of Sallisaw, OK. The OK 82 shields were posted, so I emailed ODOT asking if the two segments of OK 82 were being connected and they realized the signs had been posted in error and removed them. I felt really, really bad.
I'm pretty sure that some error signs have been corrected as a result of my having taken pictures and posting them on my site. I learned after I started my current job that folks at KYTC in Frankfort were well aware of my site, so I think someone was paying attention.
Quote from: bugo on October 05, 2012, 10:14:33 AM
The anal road enthusiast (ARE) is an odd creature. Instead of celebrating unique things about or roads, the ARE wants every sign error fixed pronto, even the harmless ones like AR 71 instead of US 71. They do not tolerate highways that break the grid, even though they are diagonal. They hate anomalies like US 412 and I-238, roads that break the boring AASHTO guidelines. They believe the US highway and Interstate grids should be perfect and every highway should fit in its place, even where it's not practical. They whine to DOTs when an error sign is placed no matter how petty. They want everything to fit into a nice little box even when impractical. They are so used to order and rules in their lives that they can't stand it when any of those rules are broken in any way. The ARE knows who they are and that they are this way, and they celebrate it. If you see an ARE, turn around and walk away slowly, then run like hell. ARE is a contagious disease and is a lifelong affliction you can't get rid of. If you exhibit any of these warning signs, call your doctor immediately.
There's a difference between being an ARE and wanting a good numbering system. A number that's a little out of place is understandable and interesting (I even include I-99 in this though many do not). A number that is way out is just bad (such as the I-3 proposal, or I-238 or I-74 in NC). I actually don't mind US 400 as much as US 412 or US 425; at least US 400 wasn't valid otherwise, so it's an oddity, but the others are supposed to be spurs of US 12 and US 25 respictively so they just break the numbering system (though the US route numbering sytem was odd from the start, with spurs as long as their parents).
I guess I'm an anal road enthusiast. Sorry.
Error signs are an oddity, and thus fun to laugh at, but after I get my photo I'd really like to have it fixed. It might not get anyone lost if ODOT posts US-281 as US-288, but if my state is going to spend my money putting up road signs, I would like them to actually do it right. Signing the wrong type is somewhat forgivable, but there are instances in Oklahoma where there are highways with the same number in different types (I-44/OK 44, US 270/OK 270, US 56/OK 56, etc) and those might get people lost, especially in the case of 44 (where the two routes intersect) and 270 (where the routes are parallel; the OK is the old alignment of the US). And spacing/alignment/size ratio/spelling errors just scream "HEY! THIS STATE HAS AN INCOMPETENT GOVERNMENT!" But then again issues like that bother me wherever I see them, on road signs or not (it is really hard to not scream at my coworkers sometimes . . .)
An unending and virulent hatred of Breezewood and every breezewood everywhere.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 06, 2012, 12:45:09 PM
An unending and virulent hatred of Breezewood and every breezewood everywhere.
+1
I've never been through Breezewood, and I'd never spend one penny there, but I'd like to experience it. If they built a regular interchange it would lose its charm.
Quote from: bugo on October 06, 2012, 01:06:02 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 06, 2012, 12:45:09 PM
An unending and virulent hatred of Breezewood and every breezewood everywhere.
+1
I've never been through Breezewood, and I'd never spend one penny there, but I'd like to experience it. If they built a regular interchange it would lose its charm.
Agreed with both of you. I took a side trip through Breezewood on my way to Ohio last May and I thought it was neat. Never before have I seen so many fast food restaurants, gas stations/truck stops, and hotels crammed into such a small amount of area!
Breezewood is kind of fun the one time just to say you've been, but I'd like to have the option to not have to drive through it.
The typical ARE wants everything to be the same nationwide. They fully support the hated MUTCD, and want every state to adopt the exact same sign standards. They tend to love Clearview as well. Some of them hate old signs and want them replaced by boring modern signs. They want America's highways to resemble America's suburbs and strip malls: places where you can't tell what city or state you're in because they all look the same.
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 06, 2012, 01:29:39 PM
Breezewood is kind of fun the one time just to say you've been, but I'd like to have the option to not have to drive through it.
I-68/I-79.
And what is far worse than Breezewood are the small towns you have to slow down and go through on expressways. Oklahoma is particularly bad at this (US 69, I'm looking at you.) Breezewood is just a short stretch, while some of these "small" towns take several minutes to get through. There are more chances to get stopped by Barney Fife in Atoka or Stringtown than in Breezewood.
Quote from: bugo on October 06, 2012, 01:13:52 AM
Quote from: Beltway on October 05, 2012, 04:58:43 PM
They also have a knack for finding and reporting on every teeny, tiny little 'error' they see on roads and signs.
I regrettably and totally accidentally got some error OK 82 shields removed from a stretch of US 59 just south of Sallisaw, OK. The OK 82 shields were posted, so I emailed ODOT asking if the two segments of OK 82 were being connected and they realized the signs had been posted in error and removed them. I felt really, really bad.
A route number error is not 'tiny'. Things like "shield errors" ARE.
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 06, 2012, 01:29:39 PM
Breezewood is kind of fun the one time just to say you've been, but I'd like to have the option to not have to drive through it.
You do have a point, but as Jeremy said, I-68/I-79 is a decent enough by-pass of Breezewood. The one thing that I disliked about the town was how long the red light was where I-70 met US 30. It was about a 3 minute long wait going east on US 30!
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 06, 2012, 12:45:09 PM
An unending and virulent hatred of Breezewood and every breezewood everywhere.
Isn't that a strawman? An "unending and virulent hatred" is certainly an overreaction, but they deserve criticism on a regular basis as long as they stand uncorrected.
Quote from: PennDOTFan on October 06, 2012, 01:47:12 PM
You do have a point, but as Jeremy said, I-68/I-79 is a decent enough by-pass of Breezewood. The one thing that I disliked about the town was how long the red light was where I-70 met US 30. It was about a 3 minute long wait going east on US 30!
I-68/I-79 is only a bypass for I-70 traffic between Hancock MD and Washington PA. It's not a bypass for traffic between MD I-70 and I-76 to the west, such as to Pittsburgh, or to I-99 northward (as in the best route between D.C. and Buffalo NY). Basically including all points needing use of I-76 west of Breezewood.
That wait can be 10 minutes at times.
So bugo, this means that multiple anal road enthusiasts were the reason AASHTO re-numbered the satanic US 666 to US 491 because of sign thefts and the high mortality rate? :hmmm: :sombrero:
Quote from: Beltway on October 06, 2012, 01:52:26 PM
Quote from: PennDOTFan on October 06, 2012, 01:47:12 PM
You do have a point, but as Jeremy said, I-68/I-79 is a decent enough by-pass of Breezewood. The one thing that I disliked about the town was how long the red light was where I-70 met US 30. It was about a 3 minute long wait going east on US 30!
I-68/I-79 is only a bypass for I-70 traffic between Hancock MD and Washington PA. It's not a bypass for traffic between MD I-70 and I-76 to the west, such as to Pittsburgh, or to I-99 northward (as in the best route between D.C. and Buffalo NY). Basically including all points needing use of I-76 west of Breezewood.
That wait can be 10 minutes at times.
Using I-79 north to newly-minted I-376 to I-76 would make the I-68/I-79 option viable for traffic bound for Youngstown.
For westbound traffic on I-70, Breezewood isn't bad, You get to make two right turns, from WB I-70 (which is basically heading due north) to EB US 30, then back onto the freeway. Going east on I-70 is the problem, however, as there is a left turn across traffic required.
I've said this before, but I don't mind stopping and patronizing Breezewood businesses. I spent two nights there at a motel a couple of years ago, when I attended the SEPA meet at a restaurant where separate checks apparently requires an advanced accounting degree.
I guess I'm an ARE, then. I like photographing sign errors and find them amusing (like MO 71).
Sometimes it's nice if they don't get fixed for a while, but eventually they need to be...but not before I get a photo ;)
Of course, the average driver probably wouldn't know the difference between a State and a US Route, but would simply follow the number.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 06, 2012, 02:28:00 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 06, 2012, 01:52:26 PM
I-68/I-79 is only a bypass for I-70 traffic between Hancock MD and Washington PA. It's not a bypass for traffic between MD I-70 and I-76 to the west, such as to Pittsburgh, or to I-99 northward (as in the best route between D.C. and Buffalo NY). Basically including all points needing use of I-76 west of Breezewood.
That wait can be 10 minutes at times.
Using I-79 north to newly-minted I-376 to I-76 [1] would make the I-68/I-79 option viable for traffic bound for Youngstown.
That is much longer than using I-70 to I-76 [2], per Google maps (Hancock MD to Youngstown OH) --
[1] 249 mi, 4 hours 23 mins
[2] 207 mi, 3 hours 52 mins
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For westbound traffic on I-70, Breezewood isn't bad, You get to make two right turns, from WB I-70 (which is basically heading due north) to EB US 30, then back onto the freeway. Going east on I-70 is the problem, however, as there is a left turn across traffic required.
I've said this before, but I don't mind stopping and patronizing Breezewood businesses. I spent two nights there at a motel a couple of years ago, when I attended the SEPA meet at a restaurant where separate checks apparently requires an advanced accounting degree.
I personally don't stop at Breezewood, and I would prefer the option of having two ramps connecting I-70 to the Turnpike access highway.
Quote from: Beltway on October 06, 2012, 07:53:33 PM...I would prefer the option of having two ramps connecting I-70 to the Turnpike access highway.
I think we all would.
Quote from: Beltway on October 06, 2012, 01:52:26 PM
Quote from: PennDOTFan on October 06, 2012, 01:47:12 PM
You do have a point, but as Jeremy said, I-68/I-79 is a decent enough by-pass of Breezewood. The one thing that I disliked about the town was how long the red light was where I-70 met US 30. It was about a 3 minute long wait going east on US 30!
I-68/I-79 is only a bypass for I-70 traffic between Hancock MD and Washington PA. It's not a bypass for traffic between MD I-70 and I-76 to the west, such as to Pittsburgh, or to I-99 northward (as in the best route between D.C. and Buffalo NY). Basically including all points needing use of I-76 west of Breezewood.
That wait can be 10 minutes at times.
And then there's that little issue of that interchange ramp at Washington, PA for westbound traffic....
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Quote from: bugo on October 06, 2012, 01:32:05 PM
They fully support the hated MUTCD
While we all have things we dislike about the MUTCD (in my case, the FYA and arrow per lane signs), I don't think anyone other than you and HB hate it.
Quote from: deanej on October 07, 2012, 11:42:00 AM
Quote from: bugo on October 06, 2012, 01:32:05 PM
They fully support the hated MUTCD
While we all have things we dislike about the MUTCD (in my case, the FYA and arrow per lane signs), I don't think anyone other than you and HB hate it.
IMHO, uniformity is not a bad thing. Blind acceptance is. One of the phases I despise most is when someone at the DOT says something is changing "because the MUTCD says so" with no other reasoning. There is no MUTCD police (except for lawyers with nothing better to do). Our signal designs were fine (again, IMHO). I can't remember ever hearing anyone being confused as to what signal head was for them.
I know some will say this is an ARE-ist characteristic (and I fully accept it), but what gets me are signs that are produced with text that is off-center, ill-spaced, or with the wrong shield, 99% of the time when the plan sheet showed everything correctly. Yes, it's nit-picky, but as one who puts plans together, I find it to be a slap in the face.
Quote from: deanej on October 07, 2012, 11:42:00 AM
Quote from: bugo on October 06, 2012, 01:32:05 PM
They fully support the hated MUTCD
While we all have things we dislike about the MUTCD (in my case, the FYA and arrow per lane signs), I don't think anyone other than you and HB hate it.
I don't hate it. I just think it's too specific and restrictive and yes, anal.
Quote from: bugo on October 06, 2012, 01:33:49 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 06, 2012, 01:29:39 PM
Breezewood is kind of fun the one time just to say you've been, but I'd like to have the option to not have to drive through it.
I-68/I-79.
Or maybe I-68 to Pa. 43 to I-70? Obviously there are tolls on Pa. 43, and I don't know how it compares, miles-wise, to I-68 to I-79 to I-70.
Quote from: Beltway on October 06, 2012, 01:48:09 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on October 06, 2012, 12:45:09 PM
An unending and virulent hatred of Breezewood and every breezewood everywhere.
Isn't that a strawman? An "unending and virulent hatred" is certainly an overreaction, but they deserve criticism on a regular basis as long as they stand uncorrected.
The language was meant (somewhat) tongue-in-cheek, though perhaps not to the
hundreds (or maybe
thousands at this point) of drivers who have been in needless wrecks on westbound (compass north) I-70 approaching the at-grade signalized intersection of I-70 and U.S. 30 in Breezewood. All to support the financial interests of a few commercial property owners and their tenants.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 06, 2012, 02:28:00 PM
For westbound traffic on I-70, Breezewood isn't bad, You get to make two right turns, from WB I-70 (which is basically heading due north) to EB US 30, then back onto the freeway. Going east on I-70 is the problem, however, as there is a left turn across traffic required.
I disagree. The "westbound" movement through Breezewood is far, far worse, because traffic has to come to an "unnatural" stop at the at-grade signalized intersection of I-70 and U.S. 30 (and this is after a reasonably long descent on westbound I-70 down from the crest of Sidling Hill at Pa. 915 (Crystal Spring, Exit 151)).
As the great Walter Sobchak once said, "Am I the only one who cares about the fucking rules!?"
Why have a numbering system at all if it's just going to be violated at will? Why must I accept incompetence from people who can't understand the simple difference between state and US Highways? It's not that difficult.
There's a time and a place to take a little license and get creative and set apart from the rest. A national highway system is not one of them. What makes you so special that you get to have an odd numbered loop or a even numbered spur? How come we can eviscerate the numbering conventions for one ridiculous interstate when everything else has to follow them? No special treatment. Everyone gets the same rules. That's what's fair. Order is fairness.
you're conflating two different problems: incompetence (mixing up state and US routes) vs violations of design principles.
design principles should be upheld, and if there are violations, they should be fairly minor (US-6 is south of US-20 in its entirety in Nebraska, etc) as opposed to wholesale ones (US-412 is ... US-412).
incompetence is grand old fun!
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/IL/IL20030551i1.jpg)
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 06, 2012, 01:29:39 PM
Breezewood is kind of fun the one time just to say you've been, but I'd like to have the option to not have to drive through it.
it's kind of jarring when you don't know about it before hand, and you're like "why the Hell is I-70 making a left turn at this traffic light?"
first time I drove it, I hadn't been paying careful attention to the map, and I thought I had made a wrong turn as I exited the turnpike.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 09, 2012, 02:55:36 PM
you're conflating two different problems: incompetence (mixing up state and US routes) vs violations of design principles.
design principles should be upheld, and if there are violations, they should be fairly minor (US-6 is south of US-20 in its entirety in Nebraska, etc) as opposed to wholesale ones (US-412 is ... US-412).
incompetence is grand old fun!
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/IL/IL20030551i1.jpg)
That sign is too funny! :-D
Well, I hate intrastate interstate highways (primary interstates that only serve one state like I-97 in Maryland or I-17 and I-19 in Arizona), so that might make me an anal road enthusiast.
Here is a pet peeve of mine because I am anal about... almost everything...
Here in Houston, local news reports and the general population refer to US 90 Alternate as just Highway 90, which bothers me. It doesn't get confusing since US 90 is multiplexed with IH 10 except for the far east side of town, but it bothers me because it's technicaly incorrect, and because I have a weird affinity for US 90 Alternate, and for using it's full name like that.
Quote from: NE2 on October 11, 2012, 02:57:51 AM
Quote from: achilles765 on October 11, 2012, 02:15:55 AM
using it's full name like that.
Speaking of anal...
I am very anal about alot of things and many of them are really minor or unusual. My family and friends like to tease me about it.
Quote from: achilles765 on October 11, 2012, 02:15:55 AM
Here is a pet peeve of mine because I am anal about... almost everything...
Here in Houston, local news reports and the general population refer to US 90 Alternate as just Highway 90, which bothers me. It doesn't get confusing since US 90 is multiplexed with IH 10 except for the far east side of town, but it bothers me because it's technicaly incorrect, and because I have a weird affinity for US 90 Alternate, and for using it's full name like that.
Just call it '90A' and be done with it......
Quote from: ctsignguy on October 11, 2012, 08:06:23 AM
Quote from: achilles765 on October 11, 2012, 02:15:55 AM
Here is a pet peeve of mine because I am anal about... almost everything...
Here in Houston, local news reports and the general population refer to US 90 Alternate as just Highway 90, which bothers me. It doesn't get confusing since US 90 is multiplexed with IH 10 except for the far east side of town, but it bothers me because it's technicaly incorrect, and because I have a weird affinity for US 90 Alternate, and for using it's full name like that.
Just call it '90A' and be done with it......
Alot of non-sheild street signs do refer to it as that. Alot of people call it Alt 90
Quote from: achilles765 on October 11, 2012, 11:39:54 AM
Alot of non-sheild street signs do refer to it as that. Alot of people call it Alt 90
are there any "90A" shields? I could've sworn I saw one once in 2005 but I didn't get a photo. It might have just been a "90A" street blade.
this sign is still around, I believe.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/TX/TX19700901i1.jpg)
Quote from: achilles765 on October 11, 2012, 11:39:54 AM
Alot of non-sheild street signs do refer to it as that. Alot of people call it Alt 90
Since you're anal about many things, I'd like to be anal about something that annoys me...
It's 'a lot', not alot.
Yep, and 'its', not 'it's'. Unless it's a thing called It, in which case It's is correct for the possessive.
One of the sillier rules of English, but whatever.
Quote from: NE2 on October 12, 2012, 04:41:27 PM
Yep, and 'its', not 'it's'. Unless it's a thing called It, in which case It's is correct for the possessive.
One of the sillier rules of English, but whatever.
the way I remember it is that no possessive pronoun has an apostrophe.
are there any contractions that omit the apostrophe?
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 12, 2012, 05:08:38 PM
are there any contractions that omit the apostrophe?
A borderline one:
'Til = Till = Until
I was using the 'it's' in question as a contraction. Shortening "It is a lot, not alot." to "It's a lot, not alot." It has now been drawn out to a lot more than initially conceived.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 12, 2012, 05:08:38 PM
are there any contractions that omit the apostrophe?
Hallowe'en.
More examples of varying sketchiness: http://www.dailywritingtips.com/a-guide-to-colloquial-contractions/
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 12, 2012, 05:08:38 PMare there any contractions that omit the apostrophe?
Fortnight, and Sennight (almost never used as week is simply easier to say and write - especially now), used to have apostrophes (fo'rt'night, se'nnight), but don't now. Fortnight isn't really used in North America though - probably why it wasn't on the page NE2 linked to.
As did 'bus: short for omnibus - now just bus, though that's more a clipping like fridge or phone. However it did take an apostrophe in the past.
Soton for Southampton doesn't take an apostrophe, unless you are making/reading a road sign (where it's So'ton). Typically seen on a Premier League Table that doesn't have much horizontal space, though is used as shorthand for the city. Only one I can think of that's on road signs but is used elsewhere that isn't simply a clipping/removal of words.
Quote from: english si on October 12, 2012, 08:00:36 PM
Soton for Southampton doesn't take an apostrophe, unless you are making/reading a road sign (where it's So'ton). Typically seen on a Premier League Table that doesn't have much horizontal space, though is used as shorthand for the city. Only one I can think of that's on road signs but is used elsewhere that isn't simply a clipping/removal of words.
we've got similar Sacto for Sacramento, CA. there's also Frisco but no one in California actually calls it that. not even folks from LA.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 12, 2012, 08:04:23 PM
we've got similar Sacto for Sacramento, CA. there's also Frisco but no one in California actually calls it that. not even folks from LA.
And all the New England boroughs that dropped the ugh. 19th century laws used an apostrophe.
Quote from: NE2 on October 12, 2012, 09:45:52 PM
And all the New England boroughs that dropped the ugh. 19th century laws used an apostrophe.
in New York, even the word itself sometimes gets the drop. Triboro Bridge, for example.
Yea, the only 'Friscos' that I know of are in Colorado and Texas.
AANNDD . . . Please don't put apostrophe's in your plural's, pretty pleeeease.
:poke:
(And I'll refuse to shop at businesse's that do that in their sign's and other advertising! :nod: )
Mike
Apparently the people in SF get really annoyed when their city is abbreviated "Frisco." There's also a Frisco near the Outer Banks of North Carolina, IIRC.
I always shorten Cincinnati as "Cincy" but I've heard that's a bone of contention for the locals. I never see it abbreviated as "Cincy," which is the way a lot of Kentuckians shorten it, but "Cinti" is pretty commonly used there.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 15, 2012, 12:09:31 PM
There's also a Frisco near the Outer Banks of North Carolina, IIRC.
You are correct. It's on Hatteras Island, between Buxton and Hatteras. A childhood friend had a beach house there.
Quote from: mgk920 on October 15, 2012, 11:58:50 AM
(And I'll refuse to shop at businesse's that do that in their sign's and other advertising! :nod: )
Mike
the "worst" is when quotes are used for "emphasis", especially "in" illogical places.
Quotethe "worst" is when quotes are used for "emphasis", especially "in" illogical places.
It always looks so sarcastic! I hope you have a "Happy Mothers Day!" (and now i will kill you)
Please enjoy our "Precor" treadmills. (that we bought in the Silk Alley)
I know... X-(
Quote from: Some sign...
Please leave this somethingorother "ON" at all times.
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 15, 2012, 12:39:24 PM
I know... X-(
Quote from: Some sign...
Please leave this somethingorother "ON" at all times.
"Please" flush
I saw one for a construction company today. Their tagline was...
QuoteWhere "Quality" Comes First!
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 15, 2012, 03:12:20 PM
I saw one for a construction company today. Their tagline was...
QuoteWhere "Quality" Comes First!
Reminds me of
Quote"Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation" yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 12, 2012, 08:04:23 PM
Quote from: english si on October 12, 2012, 08:00:36 PM
Soton for Southampton doesn't take an apostrophe, unless you are making/reading a road sign (where it's So'ton). Typically seen on a Premier League Table that doesn't have much horizontal space, though is used as shorthand for the city. Only one I can think of that's on road signs but is used elsewhere that isn't simply a clipping/removal of words.
we've got similar Sacto for Sacramento, CA. there's also Frisco but no one in California actually calls it that. not even folks from LA.
Balto for Baltimore City, Maryland.
Once pretty common on road signs around the state, not so much any longer.
Quote from: kphoger on October 15, 2012, 01:33:46 PM
"Please" flush
At a building site near me, there's:
Quote"Authorized personnel only"
Such a boring quotation, I'm not surprised they didn't bother attributing the speaker. I do often wonder, as I'm wandering around inside the build site, why they still thought it worth bringing to my attention. :hmmm:
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 11, 2012, 11:54:09 AM
Quote from: achilles765 on October 11, 2012, 11:39:54 AM
Alot of non-sheild street signs do refer to it as that. Alot of people call it Alt 90
are there any "90A" shields? I could've sworn I saw one once in 2005 but I didn't get a photo. It might have just been a "90A" street blade.
this sign is still around, I believe.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/TX/TX19700901i1.jpg)
I get a kick out of this sign because it says "WEST" and the ghost-shadowed "OST" is German for East.
(West is the same in English and German.)
Quote from: Road Hog on October 16, 2012, 11:13:16 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 11, 2012, 11:54:09 AM
Quote from: achilles765 on October 11, 2012, 11:39:54 AM
Alot of non-sheild street signs do refer to it as that. Alot of people call it Alt 90
are there any "90A" shields? I could've sworn I saw one once in 2005 but I didn't get a photo. It might have just been a "90A" street blade.
this sign is still around, I believe.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/TX/TX19700901i1.jpg)
I get a kick out of this sign because it says "WEST" and the ghost-shadowed "OST" is German for East.
(West is the same in English and German.)
That must be "old" 90, then.
Quote from: Special K on October 17, 2012, 07:54:02 AM
That must be "old" 90, then.
is it an old 90 alignment? that would be awesome.
Quote from: Special K on October 17, 2012, 02:56:58 PM
"Alt" = "old" in German.
indeed. thus, it would be extra awesome if it were the old alignment of 90.
'tis.
https://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/maps/images/map4885.jpg
Also: WTF? They restored the OST text in Clearview (?), but kept the sign: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=29.703505,-95.350363&spn=0.016998,0.033023&gl=us&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=29.703474,-95.350461&panoid=fgUwncAbLA8xNhGSeIhwqg&cbp=12,257.25,,0,-36.73
Quote from: NE2 on October 17, 2012, 04:15:15 PM
Also: WTF? They restored the OST text in Clearview (?), but kept the sign...
Is that the first instance of Clearview
and button copy appearing on the same sign?
Weird.
Quote from: Road Hog on October 16, 2012, 11:13:16 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 11, 2012, 11:54:09 AM
Quote from: achilles765 on October 11, 2012, 11:39:54 AM
Alot of non-sheild street signs do refer to it as that. Alot of people call it Alt 90
are there any "90A" shields? I could've sworn I saw one once in 2005 but I didn't get a photo. It might have just been a "90A" street blade.
this sign is still around, I believe.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/TX/TX19700901i1.jpg)
I get a kick out of this sign because it says "WEST" and the ghost-shadowed "OST" is German for East.
(West is the same in English and German.)
OST actually stands for 'Old Spanish Trail' ;-)
No shit?
Quote from: national highway 1 on October 18, 2012, 01:40:51 AM
OST actually stands for 'Old Spanish Trail' ;-)
...thus putting the thread back on topic.
Quote from: formulanone on October 18, 2012, 12:10:29 AM
Is that the first instance of Clearview and button copy appearing on the same sign?
Weird.
I think there is a Clearview patch on a button copy sign for Santa Ana on the 57 freeway at I-5, but that might be on a retroreflective patch.
there is definitely an Arialveticverstesk patch on a button copy sign on I-15 for Apple Valley.
also, you might be an Anal Road Geek if the diversion away from "Old Spanish Trail" to German caused you physical agony.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 18, 2012, 11:52:17 AM
also, you might be an Anal Road Geek if the diversion away from "Old Spanish Trail" to German caused you physical agony.
My point exactly. I wasn't saying "hey, let's stop talking about this", but rather "hey look, he's being an anal road enthusiast".
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 18, 2012, 11:52:17 AM
Arialveticverstesk
Do you have a hot key for that? 'Cause I would hate to have to remember how to spell that every time.
I have to admit that this thread is nothing how I imagined it when first seeing it.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 18, 2012, 11:52:17 AM
also, you might be an Anal Road Geek if the diversion away from "Old Spanish Trail" to German caused you physical agony.
In the mid-1970s, I saw one of PTC's current PA Turnpike maps, with "Eighth Wonder of the World" emblazoned in huge letters on the front of the cover leaf. I heaved and nearly puked.
Does that make me an Anal Road Geek?
Quote from: Beltway on October 21, 2012, 08:28:21 AM
In the mid-1970s, I saw one of PTC's current PA Turnpike maps, with "Eighth Wonder of the World" emblazoned in huge letters on the front of the cover leaf. I heaved and nearly puked.
Does that make me an Anal Road Geek?
No. Wrong hole.
Great quote from 1925:
Quote
An unbroken numerical sequence was not possible unless lines of prevailing flow of traffic were to be entirely neglected. Such lines cross each other and demand that numerical order be sacrificed in a few cases.
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/numbers.cfm
And last I checked, our nation isn't square, it isn't perfectly flat, and the population density isn't distributed evenly. And sometimes, you just learn to wear a hat and raincoat for life's perpetual crapstorm.
Quote from: NE2 on October 21, 2012, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: Beltway on October 21, 2012, 08:28:21 AM
In the mid-1970s, I saw one of PTC's current PA Turnpike maps, with "Eighth Wonder of the World" emblazoned in huge letters on the front of the cover leaf. I heaved and nearly puked.
Does that make me an Anal Road Geek?
No. Wrong hole.
Is there such thing as an Oral Road Geek?
Quote from: Beltway on October 24, 2012, 05:42:26 PM
Quote from: NE2 on October 21, 2012, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: Beltway on October 21, 2012, 08:28:21 AM
In the mid-1970s, I saw one of PTC's current PA Turnpike maps, with "Eighth Wonder of the World" emblazoned in huge letters on the front of the cover leaf. I heaved and nearly puked.
Does that make me an Anal Road Geek?
No. Wrong hole.
Is there such thing as an Oral Road Geek?
Depends which meets you attend.
This post is anal. And WRONG!
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2013-August/011629.html
Quote from: NYYPhil777 on October 09, 2012, 11:53:50 PM
Well, I hate intrastate interstate highways (primary interstates that only serve one state like I-97 in Maryland or I-17 and I-19 in Arizona), so that might make me an anal road enthusiast.
Any interstate highway that exists in Hawaii.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 15, 2012, 12:09:31 PM
Apparently the people in SF get really annoyed when their city is abbreviated "Frisco." There's also a Frisco near the Outer Banks of North Carolina, IIRC.
I always shorten Cincinnati as "Cincy" but I've heard that's a bone of contention for the locals. I never see it abbreviated as "Cincy," which is the way a lot of Kentuckians shorten it, but "Cinti" is pretty commonly used there.
If I ever go to Frisco, I'm going to call it "Frisco" when talking to locals just to piss them off. If they are so anal that they get their panties in a wad over that, then they need to be pissed off.
Quote from: bugo on October 28, 2013, 03:44:55 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 15, 2012, 12:09:31 PM
Apparently the people in SF get really annoyed when their city is abbreviated "Frisco." There's also a Frisco near the Outer Banks of North Carolina, IIRC.
I always shorten Cincinnati as "Cincy" but I've heard that's a bone of contention for the locals. I never see it abbreviated as "Cincy," which is the way a lot of Kentuckians shorten it, but "Cinti" is pretty commonly used there.
If I ever go to Frisco, I'm going to call it "Frisco" when talking to locals just to piss them off. If they are so anal that they get their panties in a wad over that, then they need to be pissed off.
Well, there was the Frisco Railroad at one time ;)
Quote from: bugo on October 28, 2013, 03:44:55 AM
If I ever go to Frisco, I'm going to call it "Frisco" when talking to locals just to piss them off. If they are so anal that they get their panties in a wad over that, then they need to be pissed off.
I bet they don't like "San Franisco" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FAI_-woNh4), either.
Notice the name of the street running south at the center of this Google Maps view. (http://goo.gl/maps/hKW5z)
I passed through there Saturday and noticed the street name and immediately made a mental note never to drive on that street because of its name. I suppose that may be a sign of an anal road enthusiast.
One of the things I hate about Texas is all the strange road numbering. Seems like the RR and FM roads serve more like county roads. Sometimes they just change #s for no reason. There is a Park 1, Loop 1, probably a Texas 1. There's a Texas 360 in Dallas & a Loop 360 in Austin. It can't be as hard as they have made it.
Quote from: Grzrd on October 28, 2013, 01:27:25 PM
Quote from: bugo on October 28, 2013, 03:44:55 AM
If I ever go to Frisco, I'm going to call it "Frisco" when talking to locals just to piss them off. If they are so anal that they get their panties in a wad over that, then they need to be pissed off.
I bet they don't like "San Franisco" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FAI_-woNh4), either.
We have a city called "Leakey". When they call we call it "Leakey" and don't pronounce it "Lakey" like they do. If you want it to be Lakey, take out the extra E
The anal road enthusiast probably wouldn't be fun at parties ;-)
Quote from: Takumi on October 28, 2013, 01:57:56 PM
The anal road enthusiast probably wouldn't be fun at parties ;-)
Depends on the party. And the amount of alcohol said ARE has imbibed.
Quote from: US71 on October 28, 2013, 01:17:47 PM
Quote from: bugo on October 28, 2013, 03:44:55 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 15, 2012, 12:09:31 PM
Apparently the people in SF get really annoyed when their city is abbreviated "Frisco." There's also a Frisco near the Outer Banks of North Carolina, IIRC.
I always shorten Cincinnati as "Cincy" but I've heard that's a bone of contention for the locals. I never see it abbreviated as "Cincy," which is the way a lot of Kentuckians shorten it, but "Cinti" is pretty commonly used there.
If I ever go to Frisco, I'm going to call it "Frisco" when talking to locals just to piss them off. If they are so anal that they get their panties in a wad over that, then they need to be pissed off.
Well, there was the Frisco Railroad at one time ;)
Which was officially the St. Louis-San Francisco Railway (despite never making it into the Rockies). Frisco, Texas was named after it.
Quote from: Takumi on October 28, 2013, 01:57:56 PM
The anal road enthusiast probably wouldn't be fun at parties ;-)
I picture the anal road enthusiast as being someone like Sheldon from
Big Bang TheoryAt the very least, Sheldon's got to be an honorary member, (despite lacking a drivers license), given how he hacked a GPS unit to provide fun highway trivia during roadtrips.
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 28, 2013, 01:43:52 PM
Notice the name of the street running south at the center of this Google Maps view. (http://goo.gl/maps/hKW5z)
I passed through there Saturday and noticed the street name and immediately made a mental note never to drive on that street because of its name. I suppose that may be a sign of an anal road enthusiast.
At least it's not "Viatology Lane".
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 28, 2013, 01:43:52 PM
Notice the name of the street running south at the center of this Google Maps view. (http://goo.gl/maps/hKW5z)
I passed through there Saturday and noticed the street name and immediately made a mental note never to drive on that street because of its name. I suppose that may be a sign of an anal road enthusiast.
You're not alone with this one
http://goo.gl/maps/bEMGU
It even appears on some BGSes, but, alas (or 'thankfully'), the ones that are shown in the current Streetview images are blanked out due to the then underway US(I)-41 upgrade construction.
However, a somewhat fuzzy view of one of the interchange's BGSes is on a 45 degree aerial view:
http://goo.gl/maps/OKzTN
:-P
Mike
You're an anal road enthusiast if you insist that 3di specifically means 3-digit interstate, and ignore all uses of the term (generically meaning three digits) by non-road enthusiasts.
Quote from: Molandfreak on February 28, 2014, 12:31:31 AM
You're an anal road enthusiast if you insist that 3di specifically means 3-digit interstate, and ignore all uses of the term (generically meaning three digits) by non-road enthusiasts.
Since when do non-roadgeeks use the abbreviation 3di? Kettle's an awesome person.
Quote from: Molandfreak on February 28, 2014, 12:31:31 AM
You're an anal road enthusiast if you insist that 3di specifically means 3-digit interstate, and ignore all uses of the term (generically meaning three digits) by non-road enthusiasts.
Never heard the term "3di" used by anyone other than a roadgeek.
There is a difference between "3di" and "3dus."
At least I've never seen a certain viatologist use the term "3dfr." :ded:
Quote from: hbelkins on February 28, 2014, 11:26:09 AM
Quote from: Molandfreak on February 28, 2014, 12:31:31 AM
You're an anal road enthusiast if you insist that 3di specifically means 3-digit interstate, and ignore all uses of the term (generically meaning three digits) by non-road enthusiasts.
Never heard the term "3di" used by anyone other than a roadgeek.
....
Me either. The closest I ever heard was the terminology used for rolling dice when you played D&D. The particular die was referred to by "d" followed by a number denoting how many sides it had (so, for example, the eight-sided die was the "d8") and the number of times you rolled it was indicated by a number before the "d" (so, for example, "3d8" told you to roll the eight-sided die three times). But since a die cannot have a number of sides using an imaginary number, "di" would not have been used.
Quote from: NE2 on February 28, 2014, 01:00:22 AM
Quote from: Molandfreak on February 28, 2014, 12:31:31 AM
You're an anal road enthusiast if you insist that 3di specifically means 3-digit interstate, and ignore all uses of the term (generically meaning three digits) by non-road enthusiasts.
Since when do non-roadgeeks use the abbreviation 3di?
All the time. Some examples:
This winter sucks. Shame summer is still 3di's away.
I ain't telling you how much I weigh, but I'll give you a hint: It's in the 3di range.
Awesome party! There must've been 3di people there.
See? Totally common in everyday speech.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwhat-if.xkcd.com%2Fimgs%2Fa%2F84%2Fpaint_age.png&hash=addad1af086c06f09f17149e44c584a2e1c99d06)
Quote from: NE2 on February 28, 2014, 03:55:54 PM
I'm Pot. :420:
is "awesome person" what we're censoring it to now?
Nah, that's what it was censored to about a year ago.