I found this link when on the ADOT website. The first public meeting in Arizona for the proposed Interstate 11 is on October 23 in Phoenix.
http://i11study.com/wp/
Sweet, an Interstate through Area 51.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi11study.com%2Fwp%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F09%2FI-11_SegmentationMap.png&hash=b9b604133be391a1bdba8157591a71d02019957b)
Can't see the need for it north of Vegas.
The only possible way that I can see it continuing is to feed it into I-580 at Carson City via US 95 most of the way and then continue beyond into California. But then where?
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on October 17, 2012, 10:09:28 PM
The only possible way that I can see it continuing is to feed it into I-580 at Carson City via US 95 most of the way and then continue beyond into California.
It might be slightly more feasible to cut over to US 395 somewhere in the Bishop area, since US 395 is already mostly four lanes compared to US 95's two.
Quote from: mgk920 on October 17, 2012, 10:09:28 PM
But then where?
If you're into unnecessary fictional freeways, west from Susanville on SR 44 to Redding and SR 299 to Arcata.
Quote from: mgk920 on October 17, 2012, 10:09:28 PM
The only possible way that I can see it continuing is to feed it into I-580 at Carson City via US 95 most of the way and then continue beyond into California. But then where?
Mike
Perhaps continue on up US 395 all the way to Spokane!
Seems like both states want this.
Anyone care to put a timeframe on this?
I say complete by 2025.
I don't know how to answer without being political, but if Reid maintains any kind of leadership position, 2025 is doable
Believe it or not.
I am as die hard a Conservative as you can get.
Yet, I am a road geek and yes like new and/or rebuilt roads.
I say take money from the Choo-Choo train fund and build I-11, I-69, I-73/74 and I-49.
baa
conservatives support road building? over transit? holy fucking nutbusters.
Quote from: ShawnP on October 26, 2012, 12:17:13 PM
Believe it or not.
I am as die hard a Conservative as you can get.
Yet, I am a road geek and yes like new and/or rebuilt roads.
I say take money from the Choo-Choo train fund and build I-11, I-69, I-73/74 and I-49.
What do you mean by the words 'Choo-Choo'?
:hmmm:
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on October 27, 2012, 12:39:25 PM
Quote from: ShawnP on October 26, 2012, 12:17:13 PM
Believe it or not.
I am as die hard a Conservative as you can get.
Yet, I am a road geek and yes like new and/or rebuilt roads.
I say take money from the Choo-Choo train fund and build I-11, I-69, I-73/74 and I-49.
What do you mean by the words 'Choo-Choo'?
:hmmm:
Mike
The government is wasting billions on steam engines, clearly.
Quote from: NE2 on October 26, 2012, 12:29:10 PM
baa
This adds no content and is insulting. Do not post it again.
Quote from: ShawnP on October 26, 2012, 12:17:13 PM
I say take money from the Choo-Choo train fund and build I-11, I-69, I-73/74 and I-49.
It sounds like you haven't checked the Amtrak budget. If you killed Amtrak and put the money from its subsidy in a bank every year, in 50 years or so you might have enough money for one major road project.
(And several states would raise state taxes to support former Amtrak routes, only less efficiently as several separate operations instead of one.)
I think he's talking about the high-speed rail pipe dream that many politicians have right now.
Yep the high speed rail pipe dream.
So the portion from Phoenix to Las Vegas is just to connect the two cities, and more likely ro be built, but there wanting to add a Southern Leg to Connect to Mexico, and a Northern One to Connect to Reno and all the way to Canada?
The immediate focus for future I-11 is specifically to connect Las Vegas and Phoenix. As generally proposed, I-11 would be established using I-515 in Las Vegas, the future Boulder City bypass, the Hoover Dam bypass, upgrades to existing US 93 in Arizona, and the proposed Hassayampa Freeway outside of the Phoenix metro area.
Studies are being considered on extending proposed I-11 south from Phoenix to Mexico and north from Vegas to eventually reach Canada (not necessarily via Reno).
Quote from: roadfro on October 31, 2012, 05:26:02 AM
The immediate focus for future I-11 is specifically to connect Las Vegas and Phoenix. As generally proposed, I-11 would be established using I-515 in Las Vegas, the future Boulder City bypass, the Hoover Dam bypass, upgrades to existing US 93 in Arizona, and the proposed Hassayampa Freeway outside of the Phoenix metro area.
Studies are being considered on extending proposed I-11 south from Phoenix to Mexico and north from Vegas to eventually reach Canada (not necessarily via Reno).
Oh ok. So the section from Phoenix to Las Vegas, is there enough of a traffic demand to have a need for it? I personally would like to see I-11 get built, but just wondering.
I remember seeing one map of the potential I-11 North of Las Vegas and it not going to Reno, but what I wonder is since Nevada is pretty Rural what would it be connecting, if not Reno, or atleast have a connection to a Spur to Reno or something like that. Boise Idaho perhaps?
I guess what I was wondering since you do seem to know quite a bit more about Nevada highways then me, is, is there a real need for I-11 North of Las Vegas? Or is it a build it and they will come type of idea.
Again I really am curious to hear your input and appreciate the information you already told me.
Quote from: Interstate Trav on October 31, 2012, 10:22:11 PM
Quote from: roadfro on October 31, 2012, 05:26:02 AM
The immediate focus for future I-11 is specifically to connect Las Vegas and Phoenix. As generally proposed, I-11 would be established using I-515 in Las Vegas, the future Boulder City bypass, the Hoover Dam bypass, upgrades to existing US 93 in Arizona, and the proposed Hassayampa Freeway outside of the Phoenix metro area.
Studies are being considered on extending proposed I-11 south from Phoenix to Mexico and north from Vegas to eventually reach Canada (not necessarily via Reno).
Oh ok. So the section from Phoenix to Las Vegas, is there enough of a traffic demand to have a need for it? I personally would like to see I-11 get built, but just wondering.
ADOT has worked on upgrading much of the US 93 Vegas to Phoenix corridor to at least divided highway over the last decade or so. When you look at that added to the recent completion of the Hoover Dam Bypass bridge (four-lane interstate quality construction) and the proposed Boulder City Bypass (talked about for years due to the amount of through traffic)--there's definitely enough traffic to warrant it.
[I'll keep further discussion about proposed I-11 north of Las Vegas to the appropriate thread in Pacific Southwest board. Suffice it to say it is highly unlikely that traffic counts would indicate a need to upgrade any north/south highways in Nevada to four lanes (let alone interstate) anytime soon.]
Quote from: Interstate Trav on October 31, 2012, 10:22:11 PM
I guess what I was wondering since you do seem to know quite a bit more about Nevada highways then me, is, is there a real need for I-11 North of Las Vegas? Or is it a build it and they will come type of idea.
It's a "we forgot that other roads already connect Canada and Mexico" type of idea.
Quote from: ShawnP on October 17, 2012, 09:00:37 PM
Can't see the need for it north of Vegas.
Vegas to Reno, sure
So, I am curious. What exactly is the intent for I-11? Is it like some spur route that could potentially be fed into other routes like I-15 or I-84 for instance? The map in NE2's post isn't quite giving me a clear idea as to what I-11 is planned to go through.
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on November 06, 2012, 04:03:27 PM
So, I am curious. What exactly is the intent for I-11?
Pork.
Well, I-11 would be rather useful at pulling traffic into Vegas from the southeast and east. Currently, traffic from Arizona has no feasible all-freeway route into Vegas save going all the way to Barstow, CA and making the connection to I-15 there, and that's way out of the way (and technically I think requires a surface street connection in Barstow). I-11 would make getting into Vegas easier for people coming from Arizona and points east, like Texas. 11 would also help people from Arizona head north to places like Utah and Montana by feeding into I-15.
Quote from: NE2 on November 06, 2012, 04:55:55 PM
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on November 06, 2012, 04:03:27 PM
So, I am curious. What exactly is the intent for I-11?
Pork.
Not necessarily. I think an interstate corridor from Phoenix to Las Vegas is completely appropriate. It links two major metropolitan areas and provides freight access from the Mexican border to the inner mountain west (Salt Lake City, Boise, Yakima, etc) via I-15 and I-84. I do not think an extension of I-11 north of Las Vegas is warranted due to extremely low traffic counts and sparse population.
Quote from: myosh_tino on November 12, 2012, 02:34:18 AM
Quote from: NE2 on November 06, 2012, 04:55:55 PM
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on November 06, 2012, 04:03:27 PM
So, I am curious. What exactly is the intent for I-11?
Pork.
Not necessarily. I think an interstate corridor from Phoenix to Las Vegas is completely appropriate. It links two major metropolitan areas and provides freight access from the Mexican border to the inner mountain west (Salt Lake City, Boise, Yakima, etc) via I-15 and I-84.
So does a four-lane US 93. There's no need to elimitante the cross trarffic.
Quote from: myosh_tino on November 12, 2012, 02:34:18 AM
Quote from: NE2 on November 06, 2012, 04:55:55 PM
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on November 06, 2012, 04:03:27 PM
So, I am curious. What exactly is the intent for I-11?
Pork.
Not necessarily. I think an interstate corridor from Phoenix to Las Vegas is completely appropriate. It links two major metropolitan areas and provides freight access from the Mexican border to the inner mountain west (Salt Lake City, Boise, Yakima, etc) via I-15 and I-84. I do not think an extension of I-11 north of Las Vegas is warranted due to extremely low traffic counts and sparse population.
An ideal border-to-border route would be I-19, I-10, I-11 and I-15
When the Interstate highway system was first conceived and designed in the 1950s (and built in the following couple of decades), Phoenix and Las Vegas were much smaller cities than they are now. Such has been the growth since then (especially Phoenix, which is now the sixth largest city in the nation and in recent years duked it out with Philadelphia over the status of fifth largest city) that the new interstate between the two cities would make perfect sense.
^ Phoenix and Las Vegas are the two largest metropolitan areas in the US without an Interstate highway linking them. In that sense, it seems natural to put an I-shield between them.
As NE2 indicates, though, US 93 suits that purpose just fine. Further improvements could be made, but the red and blue shield isn't necessary to make this Vegas-to-Phoenix connection a viable route. However, the "prestige" of having the I-shield seems to be a factor to many a politician.
Honest question what would be the traffic counts between Reno and Vegas? Of course future projections are always guesses and if the economy stays slow. Reno and Vegas are the two main population centers of Nevada so I can see how some would want a direct Interstate connection. On a side note I can see why Vegas and Phoenix want that direct Interstate connection. They have the traffic counts to sell it.
Honestly, if people want I-11 to be made, I wouldn't mind riding or driving that route as long as it's not super-congested and it feeds easily into other routes. That's as if the state DoT's have the resources and manpower to build it. But with the economy the way it is, it will be a long ways away before a definitive decision based on economy, feasbility, and environmental impact is made. The only problem with I-11 going into Montana is that it can't co-exist with I-15. Sure, you can feed I-11 into 15. The only thing I see a problem with it is that I can't entertain the notion of it co-existing with US 93 or any other US or state route for that matter. There's no room to fit I-11 through it, plus, there isn't enough money in the state of Montana anyway to connect it all the way to Canada. The state DoT doesn't even have enough manpower or resources. If you continue to build I-11 through Montana, you eliminate a lot of important routes that have to remain there to serve the counties each one runs through. I base this on living situations and how an interstate highway like this could impact my commute.
Quote from: roadfro on November 13, 2012, 04:03:24 AM
^ Phoenix and Las Vegas are the two largest metropolitan areas in the US without an Interstate highway linking them.
Philadelphia-New York :bigass:
Seriously, St. Louis-MSP. Both metro area populations lie between Phoenix and Vegas, and the best route is the Avenue of the Saints.
And if you're anal about it being an Interstate, add Miami-Atlanta - the best route includes Florida's Turnpike.
Then there's Houston-Austin - Houston's bigger than Phoenix and Vegas, but Austin is smaller by 200000. Columbus-Detroit partially squeaks by similarly.
Quote from: ShawnP on November 13, 2012, 11:15:13 AM
Honest question what would be the traffic counts between Reno and Vegas? Of course future projections are always guesses and if the economy stays slow. Reno and Vegas are the two main population centers of Nevada so I can see how some would want a direct Interstate connection. On a side note I can see why Vegas and Phoenix want that direct Interstate connection. They have the traffic counts to sell it.
2011 AADT figures from Nevada DOT, at semi-random spots along the Vegas-to-Reno journey:
US 95, just north of jct SR 157 Kyle Canyon Rd (just outside LV city limits) - 12,300 vpd
US 95, 6 mi north of jct SR 156 Lee Canyon Rd (about 10 mi outside LV city limits) - 6900 vpd
US 95, 9 mi north of Indian Springs - 3300 vpd
US 95, 1 mi north of jct SR 374 at Beatty (approx. 1/4 point) - 2300 vpd
US 95, just south of jct US 6 at Tonopah (approx. halfway point) - 2000 vpd
US 95, just north of jct US 6 at Coaldale - 1700 vpd
US 95, just south of Hawthorne (approx. 3/4 point) - 2300 vpd
US 95, just south of Fallon (approx. 4/5 point) - 2600 vpd
US 50 Alt, east of jct US 95 Alt in Fernley - 9100 vpd
I-80 at Exit 22 Lockwood, east of Reno-Sparks - 28,000 vpd
Quote from: NE2 on November 13, 2012, 12:43:19 PM
Quote from: roadfro on November 13, 2012, 04:03:24 AM
^ Phoenix and Las Vegas are the two largest metropolitan areas in the US without an Interstate highway linking them.
Philadelphia-New York :bigass:
Seriously, St. Louis-MSP. Both metro area populations lie between Phoenix and Vegas, and the best route is the Avenue of the Saints.
And if you're anal about it being an Interstate, add Miami-Atlanta - the best route includes Florida's Turnpike.
Then there's Houston-Austin - Houston's bigger than Phoenix and Vegas, but Austin is smaller by 200000. Columbus-Detroit partially squeaks by similarly.
Perhaps it's "largest cities", not metro areas... that was just a regurgitation of what the media has put out there in touting the need for the Hoover Dam Bypass and later I-11...