US 212 travels across the NE Corner of Wyoming without a junction of another US route. In fact it does not intersect any other numbered route whether Interstate or State here for its 20 mile appearence nor so as it does enter Wyoming again several hundred miles to the west at Yellowstone, but at least here it at least does connect with other roads that are not part of the Interstate or other US or state numbered roads.
Are there any others that do this?
US 95 does this in Oregon. It only junctions with OR 78 in the 121 miles it's in the state.
I don't think US 95 junctions with any US Highways in CA or AZ, either, thanks to US 66, 60/70, and 80 being truncated to points further east. US 50 also no longer junctions with any US Routes in CA.
Since I came up with 4 more examples in only 3 states, I have a feeling there are quite a few examples of US Highways that don't have junctions with other US Hwys in a state.
Yes, it happens a lot. A quick grep, again on CHM data for US highways, gives me 61 such examples. I didn't check in detail for possible errors in the list (I just looked for waypoints in each US highway that start with "US", if I don't find one, it doesn't cross another US highway). The most likely cases this does not consider are those of a US highway crossing a US highway that's concurrent with an interstate. In such cases, the interstate's name would be used for the waypoint. I'm guessing this wouldn't eliminate more than a handful of the 61 matches anyway.
Quote from: Jim on October 20, 2012, 08:00:53 PM
Yes, it happens a lot. A quick grep, again on CHM data for US highways, gives me 61 such examples.
Good.
Mods, lock the thread.
US 48 VA. US 29 DC. US Goat Alanland.
Quote from: InterstateNG on October 20, 2012, 08:38:08 PM
Quote from: Jim on October 20, 2012, 08:00:53 PM
Yes, it happens a lot. A quick grep, again on CHM data for US highways, gives me 61 such examples.
Good.
Mods, lock the thread.
You don't tell us what to do. We tell you what to do. That's why we get the purple font.
Quote from: NE2 on October 20, 2012, 08:38:21 PM
US 48 VA. US 29 DC. US Goat Alanland.
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Quote from: Steve on October 20, 2012, 09:44:14 PM
Quote from: InterstateNG on October 20, 2012, 08:38:08 PM
Quote from: Jim on October 20, 2012, 08:00:53 PM
Yes, it happens a lot. A quick grep, again on CHM data for US highways, gives me 61 such examples.
Good.
Mods, lock the thread.
You don't tell us what to do. We tell you what to do. That's why we get the purple font.
I'll do whatever I please. If you want roadman65 polluting the forum with a needless thread that doesn't actually allow for discussion, a thread that will die in a week and will be necro'd twice in the next six months by roadman65, be my guest.
PS - if you actually did any moderation, there wouldn't be so much shit here.
Wow, seriously? Do yourself a favor. Take a look around the internet. Compare the so-called shit here to the actual shit you find virtually anywhere else. If you don't like the shit here and the moderation or lack thereof, then please feel free to take your shit elsewhere.
Quote from: InterstateNG on October 20, 2012, 11:20:20 PM
Quote from: Steve on October 20, 2012, 09:44:14 PM
Quote from: InterstateNG on October 20, 2012, 08:38:08 PM
Quote from: Jim on October 20, 2012, 08:00:53 PM
Yes, it happens a lot. A quick grep, again on CHM data for US highways, gives me 61 such examples.
Good.
Mods, lock the thread.
You don't tell us what to do. We tell you what to do. That's why we get the purple font.
I'll do whatever I please. If you want roadman65 polluting the forum with a needless thread that doesn't actually allow for discussion, a thread that will die in a week and will be necro'd twice in the next six months by roadman65, be my guest.
PS - if you actually did any moderation, there wouldn't be so much shit here.
Damn, man, and I thought I was being combative over the IDiOT thing.
Chill. It's a topic, and if you don't like it, don't read it and don't post in it. So what if it gets necro'ed. Why should you care? I don't. There's bigger things to worry about than a thread like this.
The Florence, WI section of US 2/141 does not intersect any other US highway in Wisconsin.
Mike
US 220, New York. :)
InterstateNG, the moderators were chosen as moderators for a reason - to keep order on the site. If you don't feel like we're doing a good enough job on something, feel free to shoot us a message, or report the post in question. Posts like yours are NOT the correct course of action. We do do moderation, this thread is no more needless than most other threads in here (this is an internet forum - if you don't find the topic necessary or interesting, don't read it!), and if you think you can do whatever you please, you won't last very long on any one website.
There is no point in any personal attacks or arguing. Either discuss the intended topic or this thread will be locked. roadman65, that goes for you too.
And for the record, this is a fairly interesting idea that I don't recall ever having been discussed before.
US 160 in NM.
US 52 in KY.
US 340 in WV (unless its own bannered route counts) and the second time through VA.
Nearly every U.S. route in California. All I could think of for junctions was 101 at 199. Although the OP specified junction with any interstate route as well, the thread seemed to morph to confining consideration to U.S. routes.
Quote from: Jim on October 20, 2012, 08:00:53 PMI didn't check in detail for possible errors in the list (I just looked for waypoints in each US highway that start with "US", if I don't find one, it doesn't cross another US highway).
There's quite a bit of scope for false positives there - if the waypoint label is an exit number, or the intersecting US route is concurrent with an interstate.
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on October 21, 2012, 09:38:12 AMNearly every U.S. route in California. All I could think of for junctions was 101 at 199.
6 and 395?
US 1 in MA. Co-signed with MA 3, but never intersects US 3
BTW, here are the routes I got from the CHM data. Again, some are probably not quite right. I debunked one in the list below, feel free to debunk others. Looking now at this list, I see it also may be affected in some cases by the fact that a highway might be plotted in multiple segments (if it enters a state more than once). Perhaps the most surprising to me is that 4 of the 8 US highways in Massachusetts don't intersect another US highway.
ar.us061
ca.us095
ca.us097
ca.us395n (northern segment)
dc.us029
ga.us011
ia.us077
il.us054
in.us131
ky.us052 (note multiple sections of KY's matches)
ky.us052n
ky.us119c
ky.us119n
la.us063
ma.us001
ma.us003
ma.us006
ma.us044
md.us522
mn.us065
mn.us069
mo.us040
mo.us166
mo.us400
mo.us412
mt.us212w (western segment)
nc.us521
nd.us081
nj.us009w
nm.us085 (not true: it is concurrent with I-25 which does cross some)
nm.us160
nm.us180
ny.us001
ny.us015
ny.us220
oh.us223
or.us095
or.us199
tn.us023
tx.us071
tx.us180w (western segment)
va.us048
va.us340n
wa.us197
wi.us002e (eastern segment)
wi.us141n (northern segment)
wv.us011
wv.us022
wv.us030
wv.us035
wv.us040
wv.us048
wv.us052c
wv.us119c
wv.us340
wv.us522
wy.us087
wy.us191n
wy.us212 (all three WY US212 segments made the cut)
wy.us212e
wy.us212w
QuoteI debunked one in the list below, feel free to debunk others.
I also thought of US 395's northern segment in CA, but since its southern segment intersects US 6, I didn't list it. The topic sounded like it wanted the entire route in that state considered, not just individual segments.
Probably a minor point of discussion, as there aren't that many examples of US Routes leaving and re-entering a state. I'm thinking maybe a dozen examples, tops?
I'm seeing 22 examples of US highways that are in 2 segments within one state, and 4 examples of US highways that are in 3 segments within one state, where segments are broken up by crossing over a state line and back.
Edit: make that 21 examples in 2 segments for state line crossings. US 49 in MS shows up that way, but it's broken up because it splits into 49W and 49E for a while.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on October 21, 2012, 12:00:23 PM
US 1 in MA. Co-signed with MA 3, but never intersects US 3
Actually this is a great find! Never thought of it as I forgot that US 20 ends short of US 1 in Boston and US 3 ends in Cambridge. US 6 and US 44 the other two E-W routes intersect in Rhode Island.
Quote from: xonhulu on October 21, 2012, 01:54:13 PM
Probably a minor point of discussion, as there aren't that many examples of US Routes leaving and re-entering a state. I'm thinking maybe a dozen examples, tops?
US 71 goes from Arkansas to Texas back to Arkansas. US 271 used to go from Arkansas to Oklahoma to Arkansas, but this was changed many years ago.
US 40 in West Virginia doesn't count. It actually crosses into Ohio while co-signed with US 250.
US-54 in Illinois doesn't count either; it ends at I-72/US-36.
Not true for Wyoming US-87 (mostly concurrent with I-25 or I-90), Texas US-180 west (mostly concurrent with 62 or 85), Iowa US-77 (concurrent with US-20), Missouri US-166 (concurrent with US-400), Missouri US-400 (concurrent with US-166), or Missouri US-40 (concurrent with I-64) either.
Quote from: Jim on October 21, 2012, 01:04:53 PM
nj.us009w
That's an obvious false positive. Its southern end is at I-95/US 1/9/46.
I hadn't thought about all the ways and how often concurrencies affect this. More false positives than I would have guessed.
US 50 in California. Its first U.S. Route intersected going eastbound is in Carson City, NV.
Quote from: bugo on October 21, 2012, 03:35:02 PM
Quote from: xonhulu on October 21, 2012, 01:54:13 PM
Probably a minor point of discussion, as there aren't that many examples of US Routes leaving and re-entering a state. I'm thinking maybe a dozen examples, tops?
US 71 goes from Arkansas to Texas back to Arkansas. US 271 used to go from Arkansas to Oklahoma to Arkansas, but this was changed many years ago.
US 59 goes from Arkansas to Texas to Arkansas along US 71, then back into Texas along I-30.
Virginia has two multi-entry routes: US 340 and US 460.
US 95 and US 97 in California.
MD - US 522 meets US 40 while it's on I-68/70.
I recall reading once that AASHTO believes that US 3 ends at US 20, crossing the BU Bridge to do so. If that is true, then US 3 would be off the list. But is that terminus generally accepted? Mass doesn't sign it, doesn't list it that way, and treats MA 3 and US 3 as if they were one route, so is there any reality to US 3 meeting US 20 at all?
Good thing the thread wasn't locked. There seems to be plenty to talk about.
Quote from: PurdueBill on October 21, 2012, 10:42:29 PM
I recall reading once that AASHTO believes that US 3 ends at US 20, crossing the BU Bridge to do so. If that is true, then US 3 would be off the list. But is that terminus generally accepted? Mass doesn't sign it, doesn't list it that way, and treats MA 3 and US 3 as if they were one route, so is there any reality to US 3 meeting US 20 at all?
I think it originally did, but, at least according to US Ends, it currently ends on Memorial Drive at Mass Ave (MA 2A) in Cambridge. This is also backed up by both Google Maps, not that that means much, and CHM.
Wikipedia, however, says that it crosses the BU Bridge to end at US 20 according to AASHTO, but that MassDOT recognizes the end at Mass Ave. It doesn't provide a citation for either of these statements though.
I think I personally would count US 3 as at least meeting US 20 (but maybe not ending at it) because the distance across the BU Bridge is fairly short, and has no other intersections between the two routes.
Actually the hand-off point location for US 3/MA 3 dates back to when US 1 ran along Memorial Drive in its pre-1971 alignment. By right, the US 3 designation should've extended down to US 1 at I-93.
According to an old 1937-era map, US 20 ran along Commonwealth Ave. to the Boston Common (currently designated as MA 2); so at one time, it did indeed intersect w/US 1. Today, most maps show US 20 ending at the Commonwealth Ave./Beacon Street intersection at Kenmore Square. Granted the US 20 signs at that intersection (at least through the 1980s were non-existent). US 20 West starts along Commonwealth Ave. west of Beacon St. and MA 2 West transitions from Commonwealth Ave. onto Beacon St. (which becomes a 2-way road west of the intersection).
So US 1 in MA didn't always have no other US highways crossing it.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on October 22, 2012, 10:49:27 AM
I think it originally did, but, at least according to US Ends, it currently ends on Memorial Drive at Mass Ave (MA 2A) in Cambridge. This is also backed up by both Google Maps, not that that means much, and CHM.
And OSM, which imported road data from MassGIS (rather than TIGER), including route designations.
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 22, 2012, 11:02:58 AM
Actually the hand-off point location for US 3/MA 3 dates back to when US 1 ran along Memorial Drive in its pre-1971 alignment. By right, the US 3 designation should've extended down to US 1 at I-93.
Actually, if it had been extended to US 1, it would have ended at Charles Circle (northbound) and Leverett Circle (southbound - 3 used to follow 28 across the dam, southbound only).
Quote from: NE2 on October 22, 2012, 11:07:02 AMQuote from: PHLBOS on October 22, 2012, 11:02:58 AM
Actually the hand-off point location for US 3/MA 3 dates back to when US 1 ran along Memorial Drive in its pre-1971 alignment. By right, the US 3 designation should've extended down to US 1 at I-93.
Actually, if it had been extended to US 1, it would have ended at Charles Circle (northbound) and Leverett Circle (southbound - 3 used to follow 28 across the dam, southbound only).
That would be true had US 1 maintained its pre-1989 alignment (when it still ran along most of Storrow Drive). However, since US 1 currently runs w/I-93 along via the O'Neill Tunnel, the on/off ramps to Storrow Drive to the Tunnel would be designated as US 3 as well.
Quote from: pianocello on October 21, 2012, 03:51:29 PM
US-54 in Illinois doesn't count either; it ends at I-72/US-36.
Huh? If it terminates at US 36, then it most certainly would have a junction with a US route.
But wouldn't US 113 in Delaware count now, since it no longer is signed all the way north back to US 13 at Dover?
Quote from: hbelkins on October 22, 2012, 01:34:40 PM
Quote from: pianocello on October 21, 2012, 03:51:29 PM
US-54 in Illinois doesn't count either; it ends at I-72/US-36.
Huh? If it terminates at US 36, then it most certainly would have a junction with a US route.
But wouldn't US 113 in Delaware count now, since it no longer is signed all the way north back to US 13 at Dover?
You forgot US 9 at Georgetown.
US 412 in Missouri intersects US 61, when it is concurrent with I-55
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 22, 2012, 11:57:07 AM
Quote from: NE2 on October 22, 2012, 11:07:02 AMQuote from: PHLBOS on October 22, 2012, 11:02:58 AM
Actually the hand-off point location for US 3/MA 3 dates back to when US 1 ran along Memorial Drive in its pre-1971 alignment. By right, the US 3 designation should've extended down to US 1 at I-93.
Actually, if it had been extended to US 1, it would have ended at Charles Circle (northbound) and Leverett Circle (southbound - 3 used to follow 28 across the dam, southbound only).
That would be true had US 1 maintained its pre-1989 alignment (when it still ran along most of Storrow Drive). However, since US 1 currently runs w/I-93 along via the O'Neill Tunnel, the on/off ramps to Storrow Drive to the Tunnel would be designated as US 3 as well.
Well, since US 3 was presumably cut back in 1971, US 1 was still on Storrow.
Quote from: english si on October 21, 2012, 10:55:49 AM
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on October 21, 2012, 09:38:12 AMNearly every U.S. route in California. All I could think of for junctions was 101 at 199.
6 and 395?
That's in Hill Valley, isn't it?
6 and 395 is in the town of Bishop. ;-)
Quote from: Jim on October 21, 2012, 01:04:53 PM
tn.us023
This isn't really the case. US 23 intersects with US 19W, runs concurrently with US 19W from south of Erwin to Johnson City, intersects with US 321 and US 11E in Johnson City, and US 11W in Kingsport. Maybe it was included in the list since it runs along I-26 for its entire length in TN?
One that isn't on the list that should be is US 421 in TN. It comes close (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=36.094886,-82.477201&ll=36.591885,-82.181382&spn=0.007365,0.016512&num=1&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=36.591869,-82.181515&panoid=YbIASizeSNPYK9FJiON2SA&cbp=12,278.56,,0,1.17) to intersecting US 11E and US 19 in Bristol, Tennessee, but doesn't actually do so until just across the state line in Virginia.
Quote from: codyg1985 on October 23, 2012, 08:07:39 AM
One that isn't on the list that should be is US 421 in TN. It comes close (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=36.094886,-82.477201&ll=36.591885,-82.181382&spn=0.007365,0.016512&num=1&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=36.591869,-82.181515&panoid=YbIASizeSNPYK9FJiON2SA&cbp=12,278.56,,0,1.17) to intersecting US 11E and US 19 in Bristol, Tennessee, but doesn't actually do so until just across the state line in Virginia.
Last year AASHTO approved a relocation of US 421, west on Edgemont to US 11E-19 in Tennessee. I don't know if it's been signed.
Now that I'm in the right thread... :P
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 22, 2012, 12:46:52 PM
US 220 in NY. :)
Was it already mentioned?
Quote from: NE2 on October 23, 2012, 08:30:57 AM
Last year AASHTO approved a relocation of US 421, west on Edgemont to US 11E-19 in Tennessee. I don't know if it's been signed.
Wasn't as of back in the summer. My wife and I were down there and I took her down State Street and to see the big overhead Bristol sign, and there was no evidence that 421 has been routed that way. There's been a slight realignment and a new bridge built, but it's not signed to continue over to 11E and 19.
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 23, 2012, 08:51:45 AM
Now that I'm in the right thread... :P
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 22, 2012, 12:46:52 PM
US 220 in NY. :)
Was it already mentioned?
Intersects US 17. :P
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U.S. 8 in Michigan. :sombrero:
US 97 in the Yukon.
Quote from: Steve on October 23, 2012, 06:48:52 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 23, 2012, 08:51:45 AM
Now that I'm in the right thread... :P
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 22, 2012, 12:46:52 PM
US 220 in NY. :)
Was it already mentioned?
Intersects US 17. :P
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Ah yes, but that's in Pennsylvania! :colorful:
How about US Routes that have no junctions with another US route within a state but intersect a parent or child route exactly five times in exactly two other states and terminate at both ends at old alignments of US Routes which violate the grid but could have been said to conform to the grid when they were built? I mean, other than US-425.
Quote from: NE2 on October 23, 2012, 08:57:23 PM
Quote from: national highway 1 on October 23, 2012, 08:46:31 PM
Quote from: NE2 on October 23, 2012, 07:15:59 PM
US 97 in the Yukon.
US 97 in Alaska...
US 97 in Russia.....
U.S. 97 in Estonia...
U.S. 97 in Latvia...
U.S. 97 in Lithuania...
U.S. 97 in Poland...
U.S. 97 in Germany...
U.S. 97 in The Netherlands...
U.S. 97 in Belgium...
U.S. 97 in France...
U.S. 97 in Spain...
U.S. 97 in Portugal...
U.S. 97 in Mexico...
I think that's as far as I can go. :bigass:
US 97 in Alanland.
US 1 in NY is another false positive. It meets and joins with US 9 as they cross the GWB with I 95.
Quote from: MDOTFanFB on October 23, 2012, 07:07:45 PM
U.S. 8 in Michigan. :sombrero:
Ends at US 2 in Norway, MI.
Mike
Quote from: NE2 on October 22, 2012, 11:52:19 PMWell, since US 3 was presumably cut back in 1971, US 1 was still on Storrow.
Again, I agree w/you; but
after 1989, when US 1 south of the Charles River was shifted from Storrow Drive,
Jamaica Way Jamaicaway, etc. onto I-93 & 95 (beyond Canton), that US/MA 3 hand-off point at Storrow would've still been
"orphaned".
US-50, US-95, US-97 in California. all of those historically had intersections with other routes, prior to the 1960s.
US-95 cuts through southeast Oregon without intersecting another US route.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on October 24, 2012, 02:21:42 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 24, 2012, 11:45:20 AMJamaica Way the Jamaicaway
FTFY.
I had that at first, then looked at my
Rand McNally atlas and changed it prior to posting. I should've kept what I had (I've since corrected it).
US 199 in Oregon, though it still connects to its parent (now a state route).