Noticed on a Google Maps view that business routes are now labeled with a B after it.
Example: http://goo.gl/maps/RkFgm
US 165 Business is now shown as US 165B. Is this brand new? Never seen it before.
Quote from: mcdonaat on October 25, 2012, 12:03:27 AM
Noticed on a Google Maps view that business routes are now labeled with a B after it.
Example: http://goo.gl/maps/RkFgm
US 165 Business is now shown as US 165B. Is this brand new? Never seen it before.
Where did I-1208 come from?
Quote from: US71 on October 25, 2012, 12:29:09 AM
Quote from: mcdonaat on October 25, 2012, 12:03:27 AM
Noticed on a Google Maps view that business routes are now labeled with a B after it.
Example: http://goo.gl/maps/RkFgm
US 165 Business is now shown as US 165B. Is this brand new? Never seen it before.
Where did I-1208 come from?
From AASHTO... duh. At least it's not "I-1208 in Illinois"
Quote from: mcdonaat on October 25, 2012, 12:03:27 AM
Noticed on a Google Maps view that business routes are now labeled with a B after it.
Example: http://goo.gl/maps/RkFgm
US 165 Business is now shown as US 165B. Is this brand new? Never seen it before.
This is something particular to how this area's routes are tagged. None of the bannered routes in Ponca City are showing up, and BUS I-40 in Weatherford, OK is similarly unaffected.
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 25, 2012, 12:55:40 AM
Quote from: mcdonaat on October 25, 2012, 12:03:27 AM
Noticed on a Google Maps view that business routes are now labeled with a B after it.
Example: http://goo.gl/maps/RkFgm
US 165 Business is now shown as US 165B. Is this brand new? Never seen it before.
This is something particular to how this area's routes are tagged. None of the bannered routes in Ponca City are showing up, and BUS I-40 in Weatherford, OK is similarly unaffected.
Just checked Ponca City, and the business routes on Google Maps are just shields. In fact, Mapmaker shows US 165B as US 165 Business, not an actual 165B. I-1208 is just State Route 1208-4.
also - not consistent - http://goo.gl/maps/20chl (51 on the right is actually Business 51.)
Just something they're doing lately. But really, how hard can it be to just photoshop a green interstate shield, or just make the renderer add banners? :-D
As for the mysterious I-1208, probably a four-digit route mislabeled as an Interstate. For a time, pieces of US 209 in PA were shown as I-209. :pan:
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 25, 2012, 12:55:40 AM
This is something particular to how this area's routes are tagged.
I've noticed secondary routes in certain Virginia counties will be tagged as county routes, which is erroneous because VDOT maintains them, while most have the correct state route tag.
I zoomed Google Maps in on Charlottesville, Virginia, since it's a place I know to have multiple routes designated "Business" or "Bypass." Google Maps didn't add any sort of designator for any of those. But I have to say I prefer Google's omission of a designator to what Bing Maps does. Bing indicates "Bypass" for a bypass route, but a business route–including an Interstate business loop–is shown with a banner reading "Branch." For example, Emmet Street in Charlottesville is listed as "Branch 29" and Green I-95 in Fayetteville, North Carolina, is listed as "Branch 95" (using a standard-colored Interstate shield).
I normally use Bing instead of Google for reasons unrelated to the maps. But this is an area where Bing dropped the ball. I think having no banner shown is better than showing one that isn't in use on the signs in the area. That is, showing a US-29 shield with no banner does match what's on the sign because the sign shows US-29. Showing "Branch 29" does not because there is no sign anywhere in Charlottesville that calls it that. (I notice that here in Virginia Bing lists the Beltway as "Innerloop" and "Outerloop"–yes, misspelled as one word like that–but they do not refer to the "Inner Beltline" and "Outer Beltline" in Raleigh. So there's some effort to reflect local usage to some extent. That's part of why I think the idea of using a generic term like "Branch" is a bit odd.)
Quote from: Takumi on October 25, 2012, 09:14:20 AM
I've noticed secondary routes in certain Virginia counties will be tagged as county routes, which is erroneous because VDOT maintains them, while most have the correct state route tag.
This is actually TIGER's fault; look in OSM and you'll see the same thing (including some dumbass who converted those to ref tags, so you get CR * in an oval).
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 25, 2012, 09:23:47 AM
Bing indicates "Bypass" for a bypass route, but a business route–including an Interstate business loop–is shown with a banner reading "Branch."
Almost certainly an erroneous expansion of BR (business route).
Quote from: Master son on October 25, 2012, 08:06:35 AM
also - not consistent - http://goo.gl/maps/20chl (51 on the right is actually Business 51.)
Ditto Rogers, AR:
http://goo.gl/maps/tVt1J
Should be Business 71 (aka 71B). Also, 62 and 12 don't follow this route any longer, but when I told Google, they said I was wrong.
Quote from: US71 on October 25, 2012, 12:29:09 AM
Quote from: mcdonaat on October 25, 2012, 12:03:27 AM
Noticed on a Google Maps view that business routes are now labeled with a B after it.
Example: http://goo.gl/maps/RkFgm
US 165 Business is now shown as US 165B. Is this brand new? Never seen it before.
Where did I-1208 come from?
It's the 6th freeway loop of I-8. If I-8 extended to Louisiana.
Not done in California either. Business 80/Capital City Freeway still has an I-80 shield (along with a US 50 shield)... http://www.google.com/maps?ll=38.574474,-121.462784&spn=0.295786,0.441513&t=m&z=11
Business 205 through Tracy does not have any shields on it although there are "I-205 BUS" notations along with "E 11th St"... http://www.google.com/maps?ll=37.755108,-121.392231&spn=0.074782,0.110378&t=m&z=13. IIRC, my TomTom GPS does sign 11th Street at I-205 :rolleyes:
I-1208 is now a state route again.
They're watching us...
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 26, 2012, 07:04:37 PM
They're watching us...
If the same-day mapping of US 48 in WV is any indication, yes, they are. I'll take the unparalleled response time = customer service. Either that, or someone here has edit approval privileges O_O
I didn't see any xxB routes in Arkansas, where they are actually signed that way.
Quote from: bugo on October 26, 2012, 08:50:01 PM
I didn't see any xxB routes in Arkansas, where they are actually signed that way.
Nor are they signed as XX Business. Last time I told Google, they said I was wrong.
Apparently Google Maps has finally decided to use green shields. (Considering I open Google Maps in Battle Creek fairly frequently, the change jumped out almost immediately.)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv461%2Frawmustard%2Fnew_green_shields.jpg%3Ft%3D1381956548&hash=a5ceb52ae447c6497fbc0dd1fa3861d351a0c1f7)
Market Street / Philadelphia Pike in Wilmington, DE still just has a US 13 shield and no business designation or text. This can be pretty confusing since it parallels the real US 13 pretty closely. Business route 1 in NJ is however marked as US 1B. I wonder why the inconsistencies.
NH 28 bypass says 28B.
Looking through California...interesting to see that the US 101 business loop in Ventura gets marked on Google Maps with 101B shields, while just about every other 101 business route (including the notable, well-signed Santa Maria one) does not have that. Business US 395 in Ridgecrest is labeled as US 395 (no B).
I-15's business route in Barstow is marked, as is the Capital City Freeway Business 80 in Sacramento.
Business I-5 in Red Bluff is marked.
Business Route 20 is just marked as "Route 20" through Williams (as opposed to 20B), similar deal for Business Route 58 in Mojave and Business Route 18 in San Bernardino.
And now Google has started to add proper banners above route shields. Just noticed it tonight! :wow:
http://goo.gl/maps/xMF0S
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on February 12, 2014, 04:18:13 AM
And now Google has started to add proper banners above route shields. Just noticed it tonight! :wow:
http://goo.gl/maps/xMF0S
I just noticed it as I was reviewing links from earlier in the thread.
Is anybody else getting misaligned numbers on the bannered route shields? (the numbers are aligned normally on non-bannered shields)
Example: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_60TrwswauXa1VGWE1JNFY5TjQ/edit?usp=drivesdk
Just checked the 3 Business US 175's, and they're all bannered, but I saw no bannering for the TX state business routes. I guess it's only been done for the US routes so far.
Also, panned down to the 2 US Alts to the south, 77 and 90, and they're both ALT bannered now, but I guess 77 had been previously labeled as 77A before the bannering, so now it shows up as ALT 77A.
1 Bypass in New Hampshire is correct.
28 Bypass is still 28B.
I saw BUS 1B in Trenton when I first looked. Also saw BYPASS 206 in Hillsborough, which is correct. And BYPASS 1 for TRUCK 1 in Newark. Ironing out the kinks, I suppose.
The banners don't seem to be showing up for me. Google must be playing favorites with users again.
Quote from: vdeane on February 12, 2014, 09:18:42 PM
The banners don't seem to be showing up for me. Google must be playing favorites with users again.
Are you logged in?
Quote from: 1 on February 12, 2014, 09:23:29 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 12, 2014, 09:18:42 PM
The banners don't seem to be showing up for me. Google must be playing favorites with users again.
Are you logged in?
It's the same logged in and not. Even connecting via Tor doesn't show the banners (now that I've thought to check).
They're not showing up for me either. I tried both IE (not logged in) and Chrome (logged in).
I saw the banners on Sunday at my parents' house but now at home they're gone. Favorites indeed.
Nope, none here either, whether on classic or new-fangled version.
Quote from: empirestate on February 13, 2014, 12:36:22 AM
Nope, none here either, whether on classic or new-fangled version.
That's wierd, does it show up here? Here's US 1 Business in Trenton...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmaps.google.com%2Fmaps%2Fapi%2Fstaticmap%3Fcenter%3D40.235247%2C-74.735441%26amp%3Bsize%3D640x400%26amp%3Bzoom%3D13%26amp%3Bmaptype%3Dmap%26amp%3Bsensor%3Dfalse&hash=27e1960b89b4d0fb720a5425668884d05da3771b)
(Side note, I swear that said 'US 18' when I first looked at it, then I realized it was a B)
The US 206 bypass: (no shield here)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmaps.google.com%2Fmaps%2Fapi%2Fstaticmap%3Fcenter%3D40.484315%2C-74.640126%26amp%3Bsize%3D640x400%26amp%3Bzoom%3D17%26amp%3Bmaptype%3Dmap%26amp%3Bsensor%3Dfalse&hash=21d763c722c65cd656be4be384f2525173d36b9a)
I can't find the US 1 truck Bypass. Anyone know where in Newark? Or is it closer to Jersey City?
Have you tried viewing an area you don't normally look at? The browser could be caching tiles if you're viewing the same area that you viewed recently.
It should say BYP 1, not 1B.
And I have looked at US 1 Bypass in New Hampshire several times, and it still worked.
Edit: It's NOT working for me anymore.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2014, 04:47:38 AM
Have you tried viewing an area you don't normally look at? The browser could be caching tiles if you're viewing the same area that you viewed recently.
New Google Maps doesn't use tiles anymore, but still shows the same issue.
I think they had it for a day and then removed it.
Quote from: 1 on February 13, 2014, 08:29:21 AM
It should say BYP 1, not 1B.
Why would it say Bypass 1 when it's a business route?
And yeah, the banners are definitely gone now.
Quote from: Zeffy on February 13, 2014, 11:57:27 AM
Quote from: 1 on February 13, 2014, 08:29:21 AM
It should say BYP 1, not 1B.
Why would it say Bypass 1 when it's a business route?
And yeah, the banners are definitely gone now.
I saw the word "bypass" further down the post and thought that was it.
Quote from: 1 on February 13, 2014, 11:58:36 AM
I saw the word "bypass" further down the post and thought that was it.
Oh. You probably mixed up US 1 Business in Trenton and US 1 Bypass Truck in Newark. The second, I cannot find whatsoever.
It seems like they're still Beta-ing and accidentally released.
Quote from: empirestate on February 13, 2014, 09:34:37 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2014, 04:47:38 AM
Have you tried viewing an area you don't normally look at? The browser could be caching tiles if you're viewing the same area that you viewed recently.
New Google Maps doesn't use tiles anymore, but still shows the same issue.
Speaking of the new google maps, every time I open google maps I get the message "... with the new google maps, coming to your desktop soon". I sure hope they aren't getting rid of the current maps! Everything I've read about the new google maps indicates that it's STILL less capable than the current version.
Plus my computers can't do WebGL either thanks to poor linux graphics drivers.
Quote from: vdeane on February 13, 2014, 04:28:30 PM
Speaking of the new google maps, every time I open google maps I get the message "... with the new google maps, coming to your desktop soon". I sure hope they aren't getting rid of the current maps! Everything I've read about the new google maps indicates that it's STILL less capable than the current version.
I'm going to CRY if they remove the old maps. The new maps is clunky, much less faster, and generally half the time the placenames vanish leaving just lines with no indication of what is what. They better keep the old maps - it works so much smoother.
Quote from: Alps on February 13, 2014, 04:20:54 PM
It seems like they're still Beta-ing and accidentally released.
Looks like that was the case. I don't see them anymore.
I filed 3 corrections today for errors I found on their maps.
Quote from: US71 on February 13, 2014, 10:25:04 PM
I filed 3 corrections today for errors I found on their maps.
If you have a Google account, you can edit it yourself.
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on February 13, 2014, 10:05:59 PM
Quote from: Alps on February 13, 2014, 04:20:54 PM
It seems like they're still Beta-ing and accidentally released.
Looks like that was the case. I don't see them anymore.
They may reappear soon for good. Once I came across a bunch of Chinese expressways that weren't before, then they disappeared, some days later they reappeared and they have remained there since then. Even weirder was you could make a route on those "ghost" expressways.
Quote from: Zeffy on February 13, 2014, 04:51:54 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 13, 2014, 04:28:30 PM
Speaking of the new google maps, every time I open google maps I get the message "... with the new google maps, coming to your desktop soon". I sure hope they aren't getting rid of the current maps! Everything I've read about the new google maps indicates that it's STILL less capable than the current version.
I'm going to CRY if they remove the old maps. The new maps is clunky, much less faster, and generally half the time the placenames vanish leaving just lines with no indication of what is what. They better keep the old maps - it works so much smoother.
I don't think they will anytime soon. I have Firefox 15 and IE 9 at work, both of which don't support the new version. They'd alienate a large user base if they did that (i.e. those who don't do much maintenance and s/w upgrades on their computer.)
How often does the basemap get fully updated? I noticed that during the brief time the banners appeared, some updates that I submitted (mostly the addition of county route designations in Mercer Co., NJ) also appeared. Now since they undid their updated edition, my changes disappeared.
I've been seeing the "BYP" banner along with US 64B around Pulaski, TN, but today using the new Google Maps and Chrome, I'm not seeing the banners appear at all.
This also brings up an interesting question. Will Google try to match what's signed in the field with what is displayed on their maps? For example, Tennessee tends to just refer to alternate routes as US 31A instead of Alt US 31, while Alabama does Alternate US 72. Similarly, Arkansas does US 64B instead of Business or BUS US 64.
It's sometimes accurate and sometimes not.
It depends on what it is internally.
"1 Alternate" used to show as "1" but with the new Google Maps as "Alt 1". Same with Bypass and Truck.
"1A" and "1B" have always been and will always be "1A" and"1B".
For a road's internal designation, go to Google Mapmaker (http://www.google.com/mapmaker) and click "Browse", "Line features", the segment of road you are interested in, and "Details". If you have a Google account, you can edit it.
(Note: Google Mapmaker does not seem to have the correct "Alt" banners.)
Guys, if you want to see the banners, they are visible inside of Map Maker right now.
Here's a screenshot of they look like:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv645%2Frickmastfan67%2FInterstates%2FGoogleHighwayBanners.png&hash=44d99e7b01caa7ce68cc694073f4230384be1e4c)
And the banners seem to be back on the main map now (old style).
Reference routes are back in New York! Check the Taconic State Parkway and the Berkshire Connector. Also check the Garden State Parkway in New Jersey.
I found some ugly banners on the new style Goog. Here's a screen shot to illustrate:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi61.tinypic.com%2Fvvz44.png&hash=89c79cbc95744b50e45d9247e723ec86e5261821) (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6736699,-86.252503,13z?hl=en)
Business US-20 is bannered in South Bend, but the 20 is scrunched into the top of the shield. :-P Business US-31 is not marked at all.
Click on the map to get a link. Depending on whether you have the new or old style may affect what you see.
I'm getting a normal Business 20. Not a scrunched up one.
Quote from: 1 on February 23, 2014, 06:56:05 PM
I'm getting a normal Business 20. Not a scrunched up one.
I got a normal one that then morphed into a scrunched up one.
Quote from: Zeffy on February 13, 2014, 12:05:18 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 13, 2014, 11:58:36 AM
I saw the word "bypass" further down the post and thought that was it.
Oh. You probably mixed up US 1 Business in Trenton and US 1 Bypass Truck in Newark. The second, I cannot find whatsoever.
I just came across this "BYP" label today and can't figure out why it doesn't say "TRUCK" instead. A map that doesn't reflect what exists is a bad map.