I was wondering the rules concerning business routes. Under my plan (MegaNE - check Fictional), there would be a Bus. I-97 in Reading and in Lancaster. Is two of them for one interstate in the same state allowed? NCDOT apparently tried that with Bus. I-40.
Business Interstate thread icon, anyone?
Quote from: Roadsguy on November 28, 2012, 11:16:59 AMIs two of them for one interstate in the same state allowed?
No limit as far as I know to how many business routes one Interstate can have.
North Carolina had two separate I-95 Businesses at the same time until the early 1980s (Fayetteville, which is still active, and a now-decommissioned one for Rocky Mount and Wilson), so yes.
OK has five (Erick, Elk City, W'ford, Henryetta, Sallisaw), so...
I mean for the same Interstate. :P
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 28, 2012, 11:31:23 AM
OK has five (Erick, Elk City, W'ford, Henryetta, Sallisaw), so...
Quote from: Roadsguy on November 28, 2012, 11:43:26 AM
I mean for the same Interstate. :P
So did I. (All of those are I-40 Business.)
MO takes it further: they have nine Business I-44s.
Technically, the two Business 40s, and the current two Business 85s in NC were one route, since the mileage carries(d) over, and the routes secretly designated, on the Interstate sections between them. This was probably done to eliminate duplicate exit numbers within a few miles of each other (in the case of the Business 40s anyway), not due to any AASHTO policies.
Okay, good. I didn't think multiple business interstates were banned.
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 28, 2012, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on November 28, 2012, 11:43:26 AM
I mean for the same Interstate. :P
So did I. (All of those are I-40 Business.)
Oh, I see. I know zilch about Oklahoma's roads (until now, anyway :P), so I thought you meant five different numbers across the state.
Texas letters each business route I-44A, B, C, etc. to differentiate. These are technically internal designations but the letters show up on the signs. Although you see very few Business routes in the Northeast, US 1 actually had two of them in New Jersey at once. One became NJ 139 and the other is still there in Trenton. (Of course, much of it was signed 1 Alternate, but that's another story there.)
Quote from: Roadsguy on November 28, 2012, 11:16:59 AM
I was wondering the rules concerning business routes. Under my plan (MegaNE - check Fictional), there would be a Bus. I-97 in Reading and in Lancaster. Is two of them for one interstate in the same state allowed? NCDOT apparently tried that with Bus. I-40.
Business Interstate thread icon, anyone?
Arkansas
had one: it was BL I-30 at Little Rock.
I-49 in Missouri will have 4
This past summer when I went to Glorieta, NM I saw 2 or 3 I-40 BUS routes that were all former US 66 routes in the TX panhandle. :cool:
Michigan has several for each 2dI, and even multiples for the one 3dI. I-75 takes the cake at seven current business loops, and one current and one former business spur in the state.
Can anyone find more than the 9 for I-44 in MO?
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 29, 2012, 07:33:12 PM
Can anyone find more than the 9 for I-44 in MO?
15 on I-20 in TX: http://www.dot.state.tx.us/tpp/search/query.htm?Route=BI&search=20
That seems to be the most based on a quick look at http://www.interstate-guide.com/business-routes/. I-90 in SD has 14 listed.
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 28, 2012, 11:52:31 AM
MO takes it further: they have nine Business I-44s.
US-36 in Missouri also has more than one Business route, and so does US-65 (at least it did back before the city of Branson took over theirs; maybe there's still more than one out there). It's not all that uncommon.
Quote from: Roadsguy on November 28, 2012, 01:34:05 PM
Okay, good. I didn't think multiple business interstates were banned.
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 28, 2012, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: Roadsguy on November 28, 2012, 11:43:26 AM
I mean for the same Interstate. :P
So did I. (All of those are I-40 Business.)
Oh, I see. I know zilch about Oklahoma's roads (until now, anyway :P), so I thought you meant five different numbers across the state.
You didn't even look up the towns on Google Maps before posting?
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 29, 2012, 07:33:12 PM
Can anyone find more than the 9 for I-44 in MO?
I-35 in Texas has nine Business Loops and one Business Spur. Alvarado's technically branches off of I-35W, but it is still signed and inventoried as Business I-35(B).
Utah's are all designated over state routes which are often signed anyway.
Washington's aren't state maintained (or well signed) unless they happen to follow a state maintained routing for part of their trek.
Wyoming signs all branches of the US and Interstate routes, for instance, while I-25/US-20/US-26/US-87 pass through Casper, I-25 Bus/US-20 Bus/US-26 Bus/US-87 Bus parallels it. All eight routes are signed.
Oregon has no business loops. The parallel US routing just splits from the interstate.
Quote from: corco on November 29, 2012, 07:51:42 PM
Oregon has no business loops on interstates. The parallel US routing just splits from the interstate.
FTFY. Oregon does have business loops on US highways (not sure if there are any on state routes, none that I can think of). For example, there are I think 3 of them on US 97. One in Bend, one in Klamath Falls, and now one (not well signed) in Redmond.
Quote from: doorknob60 on December 01, 2012, 12:14:23 AM
FTFY. Oregon does have business loops on US highways (not sure if there are any on state routes, none that I can think of). For example, there are I think 3 of them on US 97. One in Bend, one in Klamath Falls, and now one (not well signed) in Redmond.
There are a couple business loops on state routes. OR 18 has one through Sheridan & Willamina, and there's BUS 99E here in Salem.
Oddly enough, US 71 only has 3 Business Routes in Arkansas: NW Arkansas (Fayetteville/Bentonville), Alma/Ft Smith, and Waldron.
US 65 has the most Business Routes in Arkansas, followed by US 62.
Michigan has 8 I 94 business routes, Pt Huron, Ann Arbor, Jackson, Albion, Marshall, Battle Creek, Kalamazoo, and Benton Harbor. Also I 69 has 4 business routes, Coldwater, Charlotte, Lansing, Pt Huron. I 75 has 8. The Saginaw one was decommissioned in 1971. They are; Sault Ste. Marie, St Ignace, Gaylord, Grayling, Rosecommon, West Branch, Bay City, and Pontiac. Curently I 96 has 2, Lansing and Howell. Portland was decommissioned in 2007, Farmington loop and Grand River Ave spur to Detroit were decommissioned in 1977. I 196 has 3 business routes Grand Rapids, South Haven, and Holland.
Quote from: Steve on November 28, 2012, 09:25:13 PM
Texas letters each business route I-44A, B, C, etc. to differentiate. These are technically internal designations but the letters show up on the signs. Although you see very few Business routes in the Northeast, US 1 actually had two of them in New Jersey at once. One became NJ 139 and the other is still there in Trenton. (Of course, much of it was signed 1 Alternate, but that's another story there.)
The Northeast seems to stick with U.S. business routes especially in New England States and most of the time they aren't very well signed (at least in RI). I know that US 6 in RI has a business route in Scituate, and US 1 has one in Warwick.
Business Interstates are near non-existant in New England states, I know of none in RI. The last one I knew of that was actually signed was for an I-95 busness route in Groton, CT. I only remember seeing it posted on a BGS at exit 88 in the south direction up to the late 1980's, when they replaced the BGS, the business route was removed and decomissioned.
Quote from: doogie1303 on December 12, 2012, 09:01:54 PM
Business Interstates are near non-existant in New England states, I know of none in RI. The last one I knew of that was actually signed was for an I-95 busness route in Groton, CT. I only remember seeing it posted on a BGS at exit 88 in the south direction up to the late 1980's, when they replaced the BGS, the business route was removed and decomissioned.
there was a business I-89 in Lebanon, NH. it is (along with the not-quite-official Business Spur 495 in Lowell, MA) the only business interstate in New England that I knew of.
would be great to see a BL-95 shield from Connecticut. anyone have any photos?
New England is big on the Alternate routes - CT had 1A, 5A, 6A, and 44A, and Maine had 1A, 2A, 201A, and 202A, all at the same time. (Maine still has most of those, CT still has a 1A.)