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Title: Misuse of fluorescent yellow-green
Post by: Central Avenue on December 27, 2012, 06:11:48 PM
It's my understanding that the MUTCD specifies FYG only for certain classes of signs, including school zones and pedestrian crossings.

Misuse of FYG is one of those things I've seen a million times but have very few photos of, so I thought I'd start a thread about it and see if it's really as common as I think it is.

The only example I have off hand, from Upper Sandusky, Ohio:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7105%2F7281670302_dc66963d3f_c.jpg&hash=9557330b6bc7b9b0b1d5519f7d24f4ffc61e670c)
Title: Re: Misuse of fluorescent yellow-green
Post by: Ian on December 27, 2012, 06:16:21 PM
Here is a low clearance sign in Downingtown, PA that has the fluorescent yellow-green color...
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9i_V9joWAr8/TLudnboHgZI/AAAAAAAAjJY/CX0EobLLmAs/s640/IMG_2527.JPG)
Title: Re: Misuse of fluorescent yellow-green
Post by: Big John on December 27, 2012, 06:20:41 PM
Quote from: Central Avenue on December 27, 2012, 06:11:48 PM
It's my understanding that the MUTCD specifies FYG only for certain classes of signs, including school zones and pedestrian crossings.

Misuse of FYG is one of those things I've seen a million times but have very few photos of, so I thought I'd start a thread about it and see if it's really as common as I think it is.

The only example I have off hand, from Upper Sandusky, Ohio:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7105%2F7281670302_dc66963d3f_c.jpg&hash=9557330b6bc7b9b0b1d5519f7d24f4ffc61e670c)

And on the wrong side of the road to boot.
Title: Re: Misuse of fluorescent yellow-green
Post by: Brian556 on December 27, 2012, 07:21:30 PM
I've noticed Florescent Yellow Green LANE ENDS MERGE LEFT and NO OUTLET signs in Arlington,TX. Does anybody know if all of their warning signs are this color?
Title: Re: Misuse of fluorescent yellow-green
Post by: roadfro on December 28, 2012, 06:55:46 AM
Quote from: Central Avenue on December 27, 2012, 06:11:48 PM
It's my understanding that the MUTCD specifies FYG only for certain classes of signs, including school zones and pedestrian crossings.

The MUTCD requires the FYG color for school zones. It is an option for pedestrian crossings and most non-motorized transport warning signs.
Title: Re: Misuse of fluorescent yellow-green
Post by: Revive 755 on December 29, 2012, 12:09:56 AM
Misuse for improperly shaped 'Right Lane Must Turn Right' signs in Frontenac, Missouri:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Frontenac,+MO&hl=en&ll=38.633046,-90.414478&spn=0.014164,0.033023&sll=42.054264,-88.146572&sspn=0.054107,0.132093&oq=fronte&hnear=Frontenac,+St+Louis,+Missouri&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.633046,-90.414478&panoid=jmLebKNc_suQ1pav2ll-Ig&cbp=12,297.89,,0,0.18 (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Frontenac,+MO&hl=en&ll=38.633046,-90.414478&spn=0.014164,0.033023&sll=42.054264,-88.146572&sspn=0.054107,0.132093&oq=fronte&hnear=Frontenac,+St+Louis,+Missouri&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.633046,-90.414478&panoid=jmLebKNc_suQ1pav2ll-Ig&cbp=12,297.89,,0,0.18)
Title: Re: Misuse of fluorescent yellow-green
Post by: Brian556 on December 29, 2012, 12:25:26 AM
QuoteThe MUTCD requires the FYG color for school zones.
Interesting that the city of Dallas, TX is still using 3M High Intensity Yellow (The old, ugly dark yellow type) for it's school signs.
Title: Re: Misuse of fluorescent yellow-green
Post by: Central Avenue on December 29, 2012, 03:02:30 AM
Quote from: roadfro on December 28, 2012, 06:55:46 AM
Quote from: Central Avenue on December 27, 2012, 06:11:48 PM
It's my understanding that the MUTCD specifies FYG only for certain classes of signs, including school zones and pedestrian crossings.

The MUTCD requires the FYG color for school zones. It is an option for pedestrian crossings and most non-motorized transport warning signs.

I said "specifies", not "requires".
Title: Re: Misuse of fluorescent yellow-green
Post by: roadman on December 29, 2012, 09:03:52 AM
From the 2009 MUTCD:

Section 2C.50 states in part:  The W11-2 (pedestrian) and W11-9 (handicap) signs and their related supplemental plaques may have a fluorescent yellow-green
background with a black legend and border.  In addition, the illustration for the W15-1 (playground) sign in Figure 2C-11 indicates that FYG can be used for this sign as well

Section 7B.07 states:  Standard:
01 School warning signs, including the "SCHOOL"  portion of the School Speed Limit (S5-1) sign and including any supplemental plaques used in association with these warning signs, shall have a fluorescent yellow-green background with a black legend and border unless otherwise provided in this Manual for a specific sign.

So, the FYG color is an option for new pedestrian, handicap, and playground warning signs, but is mandatory for new school warning signs.  However, if the existing H/I school signs in Dallas are still in servicable condition, they do not need to immediately be replaced with new signs to meet the 2009 MUTCD requirements.
Title: Re: Misuse of fluorescent yellow-green
Post by: roadfro on December 29, 2012, 07:01:36 PM
Quote from: Central Avenue on December 29, 2012, 03:02:30 AM
Quote from: roadfro on December 28, 2012, 06:55:46 AM
Quote from: Central Avenue on December 27, 2012, 06:11:48 PM
It's my understanding that the MUTCD specifies FYG only for certain classes of signs, including school zones and pedestrian crossings.

The MUTCD requires the FYG color for school zones. It is an option for pedestrian crossings and most non-motorized transport warning signs.

I said "specifies", not "requires".

I was clarifying for you that in the MUTCD 2009, the FYG color is mandatory (required) on new school-related signs, but can be optionally used on pedestrian crossings and other similar signs.
Title: Re: Misuse of fluorescent yellow-green
Post by: RJ145 on January 01, 2013, 12:53:11 PM
I've said this before, but I think that the FYG should be used for clothing only. The reason why people don't notice orange reflective jackets anymore is because they're so used to seeing orange barrels, cones, signs, etc....