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Speaking of cities not served by Interstates, which is the biggest "regular" city in the country not served by an Interstate?

Quote from: Roadsguy on January 11, 2013, 07:43:01 AM
Speaking of cities not served by Interstates, which is the biggest "regular" city in the country not served by an Interstate?

depends on your definition of "regular".  square footprint on the earth?  all citizens formally deemed "not insane", and have the certificate framed in their living rooms?

general consensus is Fresno, CA.

In North Carolina I would probably say Jacksonville, home of Camp Lejeune, is the biggest city not served by an interstate.

Might have been Goldsboro, but now it is served by I-795

So now we're doing largest cities in a particular state not served by an Interstate?  For Ohio: Portsmouth, Steubenville, and Bucyrus come to mind.  Maybe Xenia, or would that be considered part of Dayton for this discussion?

Of course, if we want to be anal and talk about the most populated incorporated municipalities which don't have an Interstate's interchange within their borders, we'd probably get a huge list of large suburbs.  So let's not do that.

Quote from: vtk on January 11, 2013, 07:14:27 PM
So now we're doing largest cities in a particular state not served by an Interstate?

Would probably be preferable as its own thread... but I thought we did that already (but I can't find it)

Candidates for the Northeast

CT: Bristol
RI: Newport
MA: Pittsfield, Cambridge
VT: Rutland, Bennington
NH: Nashua
ME: Presque Isle
NY: Poughkeepsie
NJ: Atlantic City
PA: Lancaster, Johnstown
DE: Dover
MD: Salisbury, Columbia

MN: Technically it's Rochester, since I-90 stays fully south of the city limits. If you don't want to count Rochester or any Twin Cities suburbs, it falls to Mankato.

Panama City, FL is one in the Sunshine State NOT served by an interstate.

Albany, GA is not served by one, but was supposed to have an x75 spur from Cordele, GA that got traded for GA 300 instead.

Brownsville, TX until I-69 makes its way south of Robstown, TX.

Dothan, AL is one that lacks an interstate, but has a  non freeway beltway though.

Traverse City, MI is another.

Portsmouth, OH if not mentioned already being that I-73 and I-74 will never be built through it.

Ukiah, CA
Eureka, CA
Santa Barbara, CA

Greeley, CO.

I-25 runs about 15 miles to the west and several exits lead to Greeley (including US 34), but the interstate doesn't run through it. Other than that, La Junta, CO is nowhere near an interstate.

Bend, OR

Brigham City, UT

Roswell, NM

Sierra Vista or Lake Havasu City, AZ

Walla Walla, WA

Quote from: Mark68 on January 12, 2013, 12:13:11 AM
Walla Walla, WA

Wenatchee was the first one I thought of, which is extremely close in population, but Bremerton beats both by about 7,000. source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Washington)

Arkansas: Jonesboro (pop. 67,000) is the biggest city right now, but once I-555 is signed that honor will shift to Hot Springs (pop. 35K).

In Kansas, let's see:

Towns over 15,000 in population - approx. populations:

Manhattan (52,000) (close connections to I-70 by way of K-177 and K-18, but still 10-15 miles from an Interstate)
Hutchinson (41,000) (K-96 is freeway to US 50, and 50 is being "upgraded" a little)
Dodge City (25,000) and Garden City (24,000) (served by US 400 - which will most likely never see an upgrade to Interstate)
Pittsburg (21,000) (served by 69 and 400, close to Joplin and I-44)
Great Bend (15,000) (served by 281 and 56)

If I go any further, I'll be lisiting more burgs of little to no consequence outside of the regions of Kansas they sit in, or cities that are really just suburbs of KCK, like Overland Park or Olathe. (Besides, most of these are served by a 3di).

Most cities of consequence are served by either a mainline Interstate, or by a 3di - Wichita (375,000), KCK (145,000), Topeka (125,000), Lawrence (85,000), even Salina (47,000), Emporia (25,000), and Hays (20,000).

ICTRds

Quote from: Kacie Jane on January 12, 2013, 12:19:44 AM

Quote from: Mark68 on January 12, 2013, 12:13:11 AM
Walla Walla, WA

Wenatchee was the first one I thought of, which is extremely close in population, but Bremerton beats both by about 7,000. source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Washington)

Oh hell, I just wanted to type Walla Walla, WA.

The ones I can think of offhand:
Anchorage, AK
Fresno, CA
Bakersfield, CA
San Angelo, TX

Quote from: apjung on January 12, 2013, 01:39:50 AM
The ones I can think of offhand:
Anchorage, AK

Technically, there are interstates in Alaska. I believe Anchorage is served by two of them.

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 11, 2013, 10:28:54 PM
MN: Technically it's Rochester, since I-90 stays fully south of the city limits. If you don't want to count Rochester or any Twin Cities suburbs, it falls to Mankato.

I think we can count Rochester without being technicanal.  Suburban development doesn't come anywhere near I-90, and the mileage signs on I-90 give distance to "Rochester Exit" and not simply Rochester.

We shouldn't count Twin Cities suburbs because they are suburbs of a larger urban area which has several Interstates.

Quote from: Mark68 on January 12, 2013, 02:03:25 AM

Quote from: apjung on January 12, 2013, 01:39:50 AM
The ones I can think of offhand:
Anchorage, AK

Technically, there are interstates in Alaska. I believe Anchorage is served by two of them.

As well as Fairbanks.  That leaves Juneau as largest interstate-free in AK.

In Hawaii, either Hilo or Kailua-Kona. 

In SC: Greenwood, Myrtle Beach and Seneca come to mind.

Tupelo, Greenville, Greenwood and Natchez are the towns that pop to my mind for Mississippi.  Tupelo's situation is obviously temporary, and Greenville's probably is as well.  I know of no plans to extend any interstate highway to either Greenwood or Natchez, so those will likely endure as the largest towns in Mississippi without interstate highway service.

I'm going to not include those served by a freeway of any kind, interstate or otherwise, if connected to the main freeway system of the state.

Illinois:
Freeport
Carbondale
Streator
Pekin (although closeness to I-474 may disqualify it)

Indiana:
Bloomington (until I-69 is finished)
Vincennes
Kokomo
Goshen

Michigan:
Marquette
Adrian
Traverse City

Though not for long, Appleton, WI.  Kenosha is 5 mi from I-94, so I say close enough.
Dubuque, IA

Lynchburg is Virginia's.

In Michigan:
If separate cities within major metro areas counted (all of these within Metro Detroit):
Sterling Heights (129,699)
Rochester Hills (70,995)
Pontiac (59,515)
Dearborn Heights (57,774)

Outside of Metro Detroit:
Midland (41,863)
Mount Pleasant (26,016)
Marquette (21,355)
Adrian (21,133)

Mentioned twice here, but I believe Fresno brags about it.

In New Jersey, someone mentioned Atlantic City.  However Vineland is a large city that is not served by an interstate, even though it has freeway connection to it from the interstate system via NJ 55 connected to NJ 42 connected to Interstates 76 and 295.

Quote from: vtk on January 12, 2013, 02:09:52 AM

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 11, 2013, 10:28:54 PM
MN: Technically it's Rochester, since I-90 stays fully south of the city limits. If you don't want to count Rochester or any Twin Cities suburbs, it falls to Mankato.

I think we can count Rochester without being technicanal.  Suburban development doesn't come anywhere near I-90, and the mileage signs on I-90 give distance to "Rochester Exit" and not simply Rochester.

We shouldn't count Twin Cities suburbs because they are suburbs of a larger urban area which has several Interstates.

The Rochester airport is within city limits, and it is only 1/2 mile north of the I-90/US 63 exit.

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on January 11, 2013, 09:23:30 PM
NY: Poughkeepsie

Ithaca and Auburn are also close contenders, especially if you consider I-84 to be within Poughkeepsie's immediate metro.

How would you handle someplace like Freeport? It's not near I-495 and has over 40,000 population, but it's certainly within the Long Island agglomeration. Are we thinking that any place on Long Island is "on" I-495?

I'm beginning to feel we need a forum-approved definition of what it means to be "on" or "served by" an Interstate...

Quote from: empirestate on January 12, 2013, 10:32:23 AM

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on January 11, 2013, 09:23:30 PM
NY: Poughkeepsie

Ithaca and Auburn are also close contenders, especially if you consider I-84 to be within Poughkeepsie's immediate metro.

How would you handle someplace like Freeport? It's not near I-495 and has over 40,000 population, but it's certainly within the Long Island agglomeration. Are we thinking that any place on Long Island is "on" I-495?

I'm beginning to feel we need a forum-approved definition of what it means to be "on" or "served by" an Interstate...

And why restrict it to an interstate only?  There are plenty of non-interstate freeways that are just as good and are connected top the main state freeway system.

Quote from: Brandon on January 12, 2013, 10:34:48 AM

Quote from: empirestate on January 12, 2013, 10:32:23 AM

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on January 11, 2013, 09:23:30 PM
NY: Poughkeepsie

Ithaca and Auburn are also close contenders, especially if you consider I-84 to be within Poughkeepsie's immediate metro.

How would you handle someplace like Freeport? It's not near I-495 and has over 40,000 population, but it's certainly within the Long Island agglomeration. Are we thinking that any place on Long Island is "on" I-495?

I'm beginning to feel we need a forum-approved definition of what it means to be "on" or "served by" an Interstate...

And why restrict it to an interstate only?  There are plenty of non-interstate freeways that are just as good and are connected top the main state freeway system.

Separate topic!

Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 11, 2013, 10:28:54 PM
MN: Technically it's Rochester, since I-90 stays fully south of the city limits. If you don't want to count Rochester or any Twin Cities suburbs, it falls to Mankato.

Rochester stops just short of I-90 along US 63, too.  One small annexation and it's in.

http://goo.gl/maps/FbKQ1

Mike

 Somebody  listed  Brigham  City  UT,  but  that  shouldn't  qualify  since   I 84  & I 15  are  only   a  few miles  from  the  city center.
No  interstates  close  by:
Durango, CO
Farmington,NM
Lewiston,ID
Key West,FL
Selma,AL
Roswell,NM
Santa Rosa,CA
Salinas, CA

Quote from: Steve on January 12, 2013, 11:31:21 AM
Separate topic!

I imagine you pulling your hair out as you frantically make that suggestion.  Would that be inaccurate?

PS – That might be my new sig...

Quote from: WichitaRoads on January 12, 2013, 01:25:51 AM
In Kansas, let's see:

Towns over 15,000 in population - approx. populations:

Manhattan (52,000) (close connections to I-70 by way of K-177 and K-18, but still 10-15 miles from an Interstate)
Hutchinson (41,000) (K-96 is freeway to US 50, and 50 is being "upgraded" a little)
Dodge City (25,000) and Garden City (24,000) (served by US 400 - which will most likely never see an upgrade to Interstate)
Pittsburg (21,000) (served by 69 and 400, close to Joplin and I-44)
Great Bend (15,000) (served by 281 and 56)

If I go any further, I'll be lisiting more burgs of little to no consequence outside of the regions of Kansas they sit in, or cities that are really just suburbs of KCK, like Overland Park or Olathe. (Besides, most of these are served by a 3di).

Most cities of consequence are served by either a mainline Interstate, or by a 3di - Wichita (375,000), KCK (145,000), Topeka (125,000), Lawrence (85,000), even Salina (47,000), Emporia (25,000), and Hays (20,000).

ICTRds

Liberal (pop. 20,861) would have just as much "consequence outside of its region" as Dodge City or Garden City. Plus, US 54 carries a lot more traffic than US 400, and I would guess more truck traffic than US 50, but I have no support for that assumption.

Quote from: Mark68 on January 12, 2013, 01:29:42 AM

Quote from: Kacie Jane on January 12, 2013, 12:19:44 AM

Quote from: Mark68 on January 12, 2013, 12:13:11 AM
Walla Walla, WA

Wenatchee was the first one I thought of, which is extremely close in population, but Bremerton beats both by about 7,000. source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Washington)

Oh hell, I just wanted to type Walla Walla, WA.

Can't blame you there.

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Kentucky's would be Owensboro, although it's on the parkway system and will eventually get I-x69.

Biggest city in Alabama: Dothan.
Biggest metro area in Alabama: Florence/Muscle Shoals

For NJ, if you're going solely by municipal boundaries, Trenton is the largest city (10th largest in state) in the state without an Interstate crossing into city limits (195 and 295 intersect in neighboring Hamilton Township) though Lakewood Township is the largest municipality without an Interstate (7th overall). AC and Vineland may be in the largest regions without an I but they are 55th and 24th largest overall respectively.

Quote from: Mr. Matté on January 12, 2013, 05:10:42 PM
For NJ, if you're going solely by municipal boundaries, Trenton is the largest city (10th largest in state) in the state without an Interstate crossing into city limits (195 and 295 intersect in neighboring Hamilton Township) though Lakewood Township is the largest municipality without an Interstate (7th overall). AC and Vineland may be in the largest regions without an I but they are 55th and 24th largest overall respectively.

Its really hard in New Jersey to tell which cities are larger than others unless you have the facts.   True, Trenton is even larger than Camden.  Heck Edison is larger than Camden, and even AC.  Woodbridge and Edison are both in the top five cities in New Jersey and  they are only townships not incorporated cities like Newark and Jersey City are.

I think for the sake of this topic, the word largest cities, is broad.  You cannot really compare to other municipalities in its own state, or else Burlington, VT (that is Vermont's largest city) if in New York State would not even make the top 50 or Cheyenne, WY if in Florida would be the size of Ocala, one of Florida's smaller cities as it is  in the shadow of many bigger ones with in its own state is Wyoming's largest community.

Vineland may not be in the top ten in New Jersey, but it qualifies, I think, as a large city without an interstate for this topic.  It does stand out alone on a map, with only nearby Millville as a companion and other townships surrounding the rest even if those townships have more people than Vineland itself.

Quote from: ftballfan on January 12, 2013, 09:21:32 AM
In Michigan:
If separate cities within major metro areas counted (all of these within Metro Detroit):
Sterling Heights (129,699)
Rochester Hills (70,995)
Pontiac (59,515)
Dearborn Heights (57,774)

I-75 runs no more than 2 miles away from the city limits of the first three (and much closer to Pontiac/Rochester Hills) and I-94 runs maybe a 1/4 mile from Dearborn Heights.  696 is 3 miles from Sterling Heights.  I'd agree with whomever said suburbs shouldn't be counted.  In the above quartet, all of those are served by an interstate.  Certainly compared with, say, Keego Harbor.

An interesting experiment, obviously its own thread, would be to see which suburb in a given metro area is the least served by the respective freeway network.

While excluding ones that are within a couple miles of an existing Interstate, these are cities of population/importance that I would consider for this list (lower 48 only):
AL: Dothan, Selma, Florence/Muscle Shoals
AZ:Douglas, Sierra Vista, Lake Havasu City, Bullhead City
AR: currently Jonesboro, Hot Springs
CA: Fresno, Bakersfield, Modesto, Santa Rosa, Salinas/Monterey, Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, Santa Cruz, South Lake Tahoe, Lancaster/Palmdale, Visalia, Eureka, Yuba City, Chico
CO: Durango, La Junta, Lamar, Boulder, Greeley, Aspen, Cortez, Steamboat Springs
CT: Storrs, Torrington
DE: Dover, Lewes
FL: Key West, Sebring/Avon Park/Winter Haven, Homestead, Spring Hill, Panama City, Ft Walton Beach
GA: Athens, Albany, Rome, Waycross
ID: Moscow, Lewiston
IL: Carbondale, Monmouth, Macomb, Freeport, Steator, Charleston, Alton
IN: Bloomington, Vincennes, Kokomo, Logansport/Peru, Plymouth
IA: Ft Madison, Keokuk, Muscatine, Clinton, Dubuque, Marshalltown, Ottumwa, Ft Dodge
KS: Pittsburg, Ft Scott, Liberal, Dodge City, Farden City, Hutchinson, Chanute, Atchison, Great bend, Concordia, Pratt
KY: Owensboro, Henderson? (I know I-69 will go by it but is it signed yet?), Ft Knox, Pikeville
LA: currently Houma
ME: Bath, Ellsworth, Bar Harbor, Presque Isle/Caribou
MD: Salisbury, Ocean City, Cambridge
MA: Plymouth, Barsntable/Hyannis, Gloucester, Pittsfield
MI: Traverse City, Marquette, Ludington, Escanaba, Mt Pleasant, Midland
MN: Mankato, Willmar, Int'l Falls, Winona, Red Wing, Brainerd, Bemidji, Detroit Lakes, Grand Rapids
MS: Natchez, currently Tupelo, Greenwood, currently Tunica, Columbus/Starkville, currently Greenville, Oxford, currently Clarksdale
MO: Poplar Bluff, Kirksville, Jefferson City, Branson, Chillicothe
MT: Kalispell, Havre
NE: Scottsbluff, Valentine, O'Neill, Norfolk, Fremont, Beatrice, Hastings, McCook, Alliance, Chadron, Columbus
NV: currently unsigned Carson City, Ely, Fallon, Laughlin
NH: Rochester, Laconia, Keene, Nashua
NJ: Atlantic City, Toms River, Cape May, Vineland/Millville, Red Bank/Asbury Park
NM: Roswell, Carlsbad, Hobbs, Clovis/Portales, Farmington, Silver City, Alamogordo, Artesia, Taos
NY: Lake Placid, Ithaca, Oswego
NC: Boone, currently Rockingham, Greenville, Elizabeth City, New Bern, Jacksonville
ND: Minot, Devils Lake, Williston
OH: Portsmouth. Stuebenville, Bucyrus, Lancaster, Cillicothe, currently Marion, Defiance
OK: McAlester, Enid, Woodward, Durant, Hugo, Bartlesville, Muskogee, Altus
OR: Bend, Coos Bay, Brookings, Astoria, Lincoln City, Newport, Klamath Falls, Florence
PA: Johnstown, Gettysburg, Lancaster, Indiana
RI: Newport, iffy with Woonsocket (pretty close to I-295 but some may feel different)
SC: Myrtle Beach, Hilton Head Island, Clemson, Georgetown, Sumter, Beaufort
SD: Aberdeen, Huron, Pierre, Yankton, Vermillion
TN: Oak Ridge, McMinnville, Gallatin, currently Union City
TX: San Angelo, Brownsville, McAllen, Harlingen, College Station/Bryan, Killeen, currently Victoria, currently Lufkin, currently Nacogdoches, Paris, Sherman, Port Arthur, Freeport/Lake Jackson, Del Rio, Eagle Pass, Presidio, Childress, Dumas
UT: Logan, Price, Moab
VT: Bennington, Rutland
VA: Lynchburg, Martinsville, Danville, Suffolk
WA: Walla Walla, Port Angeles, Aberdeen, Wenatchee, Pullman, Bremerton
WV: Weirton, Elkins
WI: currently Fond du Lac, currently Oshkosh, currently Appleton/Neenah/Menasha, Sturgeon Bay, Beaver Dam, Monroe, River Falls, Marshfield, West Bend, Wisconsin Rapids, Marinette, Rhinelander
WY: Riverton, Jackson, Cody

Quote from: Mark68 on January 12, 2013, 12:13:11 AM
Brigham City, UT

I'll see your Brigham City and raise you Logan.

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 12, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
While excluding ones that are within a couple miles of an existing Interstate, these are cities of population/importance that I would consider for this list (lower 48 only):

I'm kind of curious as to your use of slashes.  Florence/Muscle Shoals is obvious, but Winter Haven is far closer to I-4 than it is to Sebring.  The one that confused me the most (as a former Monmouth County resident) was "Red Bank/Asbury Park".  The two are quite distant from each other by New Jersey standards (although not as distant as that Florida example), and you ignore cities of perhaps greater importance in between: Long Branch, Eatontown... or not in between but the largest in the county, Middletown.

Kacie, the reason why I had Red Bank/Asbury Park is because as someone who is from out of state trying to have a general area instead of picking every city within that area, I picked two that have a bit more cache with out of towners, towns people HAVE heard of even if they might not be the largest cities in population. Give you an example of what I mean.  You are more likely to have heard of Wisconsin Dells instead of Baraboo even though Baraboo is bigger.

As to Sebring/Avon Park/Winter Haven, again another area that has a group of cities that are significant even though Winter Haven is closer to I-4 than closer to Sebring. Sebring is the southern part of the area and Winter Haven is the northern part.

Fair enough, I see your logic now.  But I hasten to point out that the topic is largest cities, not cities with the most pop culture cache.  We devolved into merely large long before your post, so I'd say Red Bank definitely qualifies, but Asbury Park isn't really the center of anything other than the music scene in the early 70s as Springsteen was ascending.  But of course, it has 4,000 more people than Red Bank, so what do I know?

But I definitely would have included Long Branch.

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 12, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
CT: Storrs, Torrington

Bristol has a larger population than Torrington, and is more centrally located.  Torrington has CT 8, which is pretty much up to interstate standards.  Bristol has 4 undivided 2 and 4 lane roads that serve it: US 6 (major traffic nightmare), CT 72 (slightly improved, but an expressway from I-84 in Plainviille to CT 8 in Thomaston would have been better), CT 229 (2-4 lanes) , and CT 69 (rural arterial).  As far as Storrs, I can make a technical argument that it is served by a road that was supposed to be an interstate.  Storrs is part of the town of Mansfield, which a small piece of the US 6 bypass that was supposed to be I-84 to Providence passes through.  But in reality, it's a harrowing experience going to games at Gampel; one road in and out.

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 12, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
NV: currently unsigned Carson City

I-580 has been signed for months.

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 12, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
OH: Portsmouth. Stuebenville, Bucyrus, Lancaster, Cillicothe, currently Marion, Defiance

• That's Chillicothe.
• What do you mean by "currently" Marion?
• Defiance?  I didn't think it was that big.  But it does remind me of Van Wert, which I think can stand with the others listed.

Quote from: vtk on January 12, 2013, 10:24:55 PM

• What do you mean by "currently" Marion?

I'm assuming that's a reference to I-73.  I suppose no one's informed him that it has a snowball's chance in hell.

For Virginia, I-664 does go through the city limits of Suffolk though far (12-15 miles) from the downtown area and Danville, in the future, will have I-785.

Many cities on the list by hobsini2 will have interstate access in the future and quite a few should have interstate access planned for them (state capitals like Dover, DE, Jefferson City, MO, and even Pierre, SD--although Dover is served by a limited access toll highway).

Quote from: Kacie Jane on January 12, 2013, 10:28:03 PM

Quote from: vtk on January 12, 2013, 10:24:55 PM

• What do you mean by "currently" Marion?

I'm assuming that's a reference to I-73.  I suppose no one's informed him that it has a snowball's chance in hell.

That would affect Chillicothe and Portsmouth, too.  Ooh, I just remebered Fostoria!

It you are going to include Fostoria (which I wouldn't), then you must include Athens & Oxford,OH

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 12, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
GA: Athens, Albany, Rome, Waycross
NC: Boone, currently Rockingham, Greenville, Elizabeth City, New Bern, Jacksonville
SC: Myrtle Beach, Hilton Head Island, Clemson, Georgetown, Sumter, Beaufort

Your SC list is questionable at best, since Sumter has an interstate in its county (Interstate 95) and part of the City of Clemson is in Anderson County, which would automatically eliminate them from this list, since Anderson County has Interstate 85.

Furthermore, if your method was used, then Aiken would be included, since Interstate 20 is more than a couple of miles north of Aiken. There is a reason why Aiken wasn't included, and why Clemson and Sumter MUST be excluded.

You are correct about Georgetown, Beaufort and Hilton Head Island - I forgot to include these trio of cities in my original post.

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 12, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
While excluding ones that are within a couple miles of an existing Interstate, these are cities of population/importance that I would consider for this list (lower 48 only):

WI: currently Fond du Lac, currently Oshkosh, currently Appleton/Neenah/Menasha, Sturgeon Bay, Beaver Dam, Monroe, River Falls, Marshfield, West Bend, Wisconsin Rapids, Marinette, Rhinelander

I disagree on Beaver Dam, Monroe, River Falls, Marinette and Rhinelander.  The last has zero importance whatsoever - if you think that's the case, there 40 other cities with higher populations than Rhinelander (7700).

Louisiana currently has Houma and New Iberia. Although they could eventually be I-49. But I wonder if Houma city limits extend to Us 90 now...

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 12, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
IN: Bloomington, Vincennes, Kokomo, Logansport/Peru, Plymouth

One other city for the Indiana list: Muncie. A city of 70,000, Muncie is several miles east of I-69 but never does the interstate pass through the city, hell you barely even notice. Bloomington is the current largest city, but by 2014 it will be connected via I-69 to the south, even if it takes a few more years for the interstate to enter the city limits. Muncie on the otherhand will be the largest city for many years to come, unless an interstate spur is built off of I-69.

Lake Placid, NY is technically a village.  Ogdensburg, NY is an incorporated city with 6 times the population and is also not serviced by the interstate system; the closest freeway is ON 401, with I-81 being over 30 miles away.

Quote from: rarnold on January 12, 2013, 02:20:10 PM

Quote from: WichitaRoads on January 12, 2013, 01:25:51 AM
In Kansas, let's see:

Towns over 15,000 in population - approx. populations:

Manhattan (52,000) (close connections to I-70 by way of K-177 and K-18, but still 10-15 miles from an Interstate)
Hutchinson (41,000) (K-96 is freeway to US 50, and 50 is being "upgraded" a little)
Dodge City (25,000) and Garden City (24,000) (served by US 400 - which will most likely never see an upgrade to Interstate)
Pittsburg (21,000) (served by 69 and 400, close to Joplin and I-44)
Great Bend (15,000) (served by 281 and 56)

If I go any further, I'll be lisiting more burgs of little to no consequence outside of the regions of Kansas they sit in, or cities that are really just suburbs of KCK, like Overland Park or Olathe. (Besides, most of these are served by a 3di).

Most cities of consequence are served by either a mainline Interstate, or by a 3di - Wichita (375,000), KCK (145,000), Topeka (125,000), Lawrence (85,000), even Salina (47,000), Emporia (25,000), and Hays (20,000).

ICTRds

Liberal (pop. 20,861) would have just as much "consequence outside of its region" as Dodge City or Garden City. Plus, US 54 carries a lot more traffic than US 400, and I would guess more truck traffic than US 50, but I have no support for that assumption.

Admittedly, I forgot about Liberal! Who doesn't?  :biggrin:  Anyway, I guess I didn't realize the population was up that high now. And, you're right about traffic there... that's why 54 I think already 4 lane divided from the border, but I could be wrong.

ICTRds

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 12, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
While excluding ones that are within a couple miles of an existing Interstate, these are cities of population/importance that I would consider for this list (lower 48 only):
AL: Dothan, Selma, Florence/Muscle Shoals
AZ:Douglas, Sierra Vista, Lake Havasu City, Bullhead City
AR: currently Jonesboro, Hot Springs
CA: Fresno, Bakersfield, Modesto, Santa Rosa, Salinas/Monterey, Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, Santa Cruz, South Lake Tahoe, Lancaster/Palmdale, Visalia, Eureka, Yuba City, Chico
CO: Durango, La Junta, Lamar, Boulder, Greeley, Aspen, Cortez, Steamboat Springs
CT: Storrs, Torrington
DE: Dover, Lewes
FL: Key West, Sebring/Avon Park/Winter Haven, Homestead, Spring Hill, Panama City, Ft Walton Beach
GA: Athens, Albany, Rome, Waycross
ID: Moscow, Lewiston
IL: Carbondale, Monmouth, Macomb, Freeport, Steator, Charleston, Alton
IN: Bloomington, Vincennes, Kokomo, Logansport/Peru, Plymouth
IA: Ft Madison, Keokuk, Muscatine, Clinton, Dubuque, Marshalltown, Ottumwa, Ft Dodge
KS: Pittsburg, Ft Scott, Liberal, Dodge City, Farden City, Hutchinson, Chanute, Atchison, Great bend, Concordia, Pratt
KY: Owensboro, Henderson? (I know I-69 will go by it but is it signed yet?), Ft Knox, Pikeville
LA: currently Houma
ME: Bath, Ellsworth, Bar Harbor, Presque Isle/Caribou
MD: Salisbury, Ocean City, Cambridge
MA: Plymouth, Barsntable/Hyannis, Gloucester, Pittsfield
MI: Traverse City, Marquette, Ludington, Escanaba, Mt Pleasant, Midland
MN: Mankato, Willmar, Int'l Falls, Winona, Red Wing, Brainerd, Bemidji, Detroit Lakes, Grand Rapids
MS: Natchez, currently Tupelo, Greenwood, currently Tunica, Columbus/Starkville, currently Greenville, Oxford, currently Clarksdale
MO: Poplar Bluff, Kirksville, Jefferson City, Branson, Chillicothe
MT: Kalispell, Havre
NE: Scottsbluff, Valentine, O'Neill, Norfolk, Fremont, Beatrice, Hastings, McCook, Alliance, Chadron, Columbus
NV: currently unsigned Carson City, Ely, Fallon, Laughlin
NH: Rochester, Laconia, Keene, Nashua
NJ: Atlantic City, Toms River, Cape May, Vineland/Millville, Red Bank/Asbury Park
NM: Roswell, Carlsbad, Hobbs, Clovis/Portales, Farmington, Silver City, Alamogordo, Artesia, Taos
NY: Lake Placid, Ithaca, Oswego
NC: Boone, currently Rockingham, Greenville, Elizabeth City, New Bern, Jacksonville
ND: Minot, Devils Lake, Williston
OH: Portsmouth. Stuebenville, Bucyrus, Lancaster, Cillicothe, currently Marion, Defiance
OK: McAlester, Enid, Woodward, Durant, Hugo, Bartlesville, Muskogee, Altus
OR: Bend, Coos Bay, Brookings, Astoria, Lincoln City, Newport, Klamath Falls, Florence
PA: Johnstown, Gettysburg, Lancaster, Indiana
RI: Newport, iffy with Woonsocket (pretty close to I-295 but some may feel different)
SC: Myrtle Beach, Hilton Head Island, Clemson, Georgetown, Sumter, Beaufort
SD: Aberdeen, Huron, Pierre, Yankton, Vermillion
TN: Oak Ridge, McMinnville, Gallatin, currently Union City
TX: San Angelo, Brownsville, McAllen, Harlingen, College Station/Bryan, Killeen, currently Victoria, currently Lufkin, currently Nacogdoches, Paris, Sherman, Port Arthur, Freeport/Lake Jackson, Del Rio, Eagle Pass, Presidio, Childress, Dumas
UT: Logan, Price, Moab
VT: Bennington, Rutland
VA: Lynchburg, Martinsville, Danville, Suffolk
WA: Walla Walla, Port Angeles, Aberdeen, Wenatchee, Pullman, Bremerton
WV: Weirton, Elkins
WI: currently Fond du Lac, currently Oshkosh, currently Appleton/Neenah/Menasha, Sturgeon Bay, Beaver Dam, Monroe, River Falls, Marshfield, West Bend, Wisconsin Rapids, Marinette, Rhinelander
WY: Riverton, Jackson, Cody

I'll have to contest Ft. Scott, Chanute, Concordia, Atchison, and Pratt in Kansas... just not big enough. And, Farden City? New one on me!  :-P

ICTRds

Quote from: tdindy88 on January 13, 2013, 12:01:49 PM

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 12, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
IN: Bloomington, Vincennes, Kokomo, Logansport/Peru, Plymouth

One other city for the Indiana list: Muncie. A city of 70,000, Muncie is several miles east of I-69 but never does the interstate pass through the city, hell you barely even notice. Bloomington is the current largest city, but by 2014 it will be connected via I-69 to the south, even if it takes a few more years for the interstate to enter the city limits. Muncie on the otherhand will be the largest city for many years to come, unless an interstate spur is built off of I-69.

Muncie is certainly the best bet, but there is an outside chance that Kokomo would be the biggest in Indiana with no Interstate as it has annexed a ton of surrounding land. It remains to be seen what the revised population will be - I will guess around 60-65K.

Quote from: SSOWorld on January 13, 2013, 08:37:14 AM

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 12, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
While excluding ones that are within a couple miles of an existing Interstate, these are cities of population/importance that I would consider for this list (lower 48 only):

WI: currently Fond du Lac, currently Oshkosh, currently Appleton/Neenah/Menasha, Sturgeon Bay, Beaver Dam, Monroe, River Falls, Marshfield, West Bend, Wisconsin Rapids, Marinette, Rhinelander

I disagree on Beaver Dam, Monroe, River Falls, Marinette and Rhinelander.  The last has zero importance whatsoever - if you think that's the case, there 40 other cities with higher populations than Rhinelander (7700).

Heck, Racine, WI does not have an I-route entering its city limits.

I-(41)/94 passes through the City of Kenosha, OTOH.

Also, US/I-41 does not enter the City of Menasha.

Mike

Quote from: WichitaRoads on January 13, 2013, 02:00:11 PM

Quote from: rarnold on January 12, 2013, 02:20:10 PM

Quote from: WichitaRoads on January 12, 2013, 01:25:51 AM
In Kansas, let's see:

Towns over 15,000 in population - approx. populations:

Manhattan (52,000) (close connections to I-70 by way of K-177 and K-18, but still 10-15 miles from an Interstate)
Hutchinson (41,000) (K-96 is freeway to US 50, and 50 is being "upgraded" a little)
Dodge City (25,000) and Garden City (24,000) (served by US 400 - which will most likely never see an upgrade to Interstate)
Pittsburg (21,000) (served by 69 and 400, close to Joplin and I-44)
Great Bend (15,000) (served by 281 and 56)

If I go any further, I'll be lisiting more burgs of little to no consequence outside of the regions of Kansas they sit in, or cities that are really just suburbs of KCK, like Overland Park or Olathe. (Besides, most of these are served by a 3di).

Most cities of consequence are served by either a mainline Interstate, or by a 3di - Wichita (375,000), KCK (145,000), Topeka (125,000), Lawrence (85,000), even Salina (47,000), Emporia (25,000), and Hays (20,000).

ICTRds

Liberal (pop. 20,861) would have just as much "consequence outside of its region" as Dodge City or Garden City. Plus, US 54 carries a lot more traffic than US 400, and I would guess more truck traffic than US 50, but I have no support for that assumption.

Admittedly, I forgot about Liberal! Who doesn't?  :biggrin:  Anyway, I guess I didn't realize the population was up that high now. And, you're right about traffic there... that's why 54 I think already 4 lane divided from the border, but I could be wrong.

ICTRds

I realize that it was an honest mistake. When the 2012 Census figures are released, I would not be surprised if it is higher than that 20,861 figure. US 54 is four-lanes from Western Ave. in Liberal to the Oklahoma border, about 4 miles west-southwest of town. KDOT has implemented a plan to 4-lane to the Meade-Seward County Line east of Liberal, but it will be a few years until that is completed.

Quote from: amroad17 on January 12, 2013, 10:32:37 PM
For Virginia, I-664 does go through the city limits of Suffolk though far (12-15 miles) from the downtown area and Danville, in the future, will have I-785.

And I-73 is planned to serve, but not enter, Martinsville. Either way, Lynchburg is bigger than Martinsville and is nowhere close to any interstate, current or planned.

Quote from: vtk on January 11, 2013, 07:14:27 PM
Of course, if we want to be anal and talk about the most populated incorporated municipalities which don't have an Interstate's interchange within their borders, we'd probably get a huge list of large suburbs.  So let's not do that.

Except southern California, since the concept of "suburb" seems to escape residents from Santa Ana to San Ber'dino to San Fernando.

Quote from: WichitaRoads on January 13, 2013, 02:00:11 PM
Admittedly, I forgot about Liberal! Who doesn't?  :biggrin: 

If you've ever had to drive all the way through Liberal during a long day of driving, you'll be slow to forget it.  I've always felt like a bull bucking to get out of the chute.  Come on!  Won't this town ever end!

Toms River NJ is really nothing more than an 'urb'less suburb... while technically part of the NYC metro area its not really part of NYC or Philadelphia...

Atlantic City has no interstates but in my mind it has 2... it is the eastern terminus of I-76 should be on the ACE and I-87 should be on the GSP( I-287 woudl make more sense too) but lets not get into fiction.  The GSP and ACE is not part of the Interstate System but they serves the same purpose.  Had NJ not built the GSP, ACE and NJTP, there is no doubt in my mind some routing of interstates would have occurred.

Wow, I just realized that I unknowingly referenced a Frank Zappa song twice in my last post.  15 points to anyone who noticed.

Quote from: Mark68 on January 12, 2013, 12:13:11 AM
Greeley, CO.

I-25 runs about 15 miles to the west and several exits lead to Greeley (including US 34), but the interstate doesn't run through it. Other than that, La Junta, CO is nowhere near an interstate.

Yeah, and neither are Boulder, Durango, Steamboat Springs, Lamar and Cañon City which are all bigger than La Junta.

Quote from: Milepost61 on January 14, 2013, 11:10:02 PM

Quote from: Mark68 on January 12, 2013, 12:13:11 AM
Greeley, CO.

I-25 runs about 15 miles to the west and several exits lead to Greeley (including US 34), but the interstate doesn't run through it. Other than that, La Junta, CO is nowhere near an interstate.

Yeah, and neither are Boulder, Durango, Steamboat Springs, Lamar and Cañon City which are all bigger than La Junta.

Boulder is bigger than Greeley by about 4,500.

Quote from: jwolfer on January 14, 2013, 07:50:45 PM
Toms River NJ is really nothing more than an 'urb'less suburb... while technically part of the NYC metro area its not really part of NYC or Philadelphia...

Atlantic City has no interstates but in my mind it has 2... it is the eastern terminus of I-76 should be on the ACE and I-87 should be on the GSP( I-287 woudl make more sense too) but lets not get into fiction.  The GSP and ACE is not part of the Interstate System but they serves the same purpose.  Had NJ not built the GSP, ACE and NJTP, there is no doubt in my mind some routing of interstates would have occurred.

I-87 could never be on the GSP, because of the Truck ban north of Exit 105.   Though, I see your point as the GSP could be an honorary member of the interstate system, just as the ACE.

Quote from: WichitaRoads on January 13, 2013, 02:02:37 PM

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 12, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
While excluding ones that are within a couple miles of an existing Interstate, these are cities of population/importance that I would consider for this list (lower 48 only):
MA: Plymouth, Barnstable/Hyannis, Gloucester, Pittsfield

If by within a couple miles of an existing Interstate, you literally mean 2 miles; you should include both the Cities City of Salem & Lynn to that list.  Both are more than 2 miles away from I-90 (Lynn) and I-95 (Lynn & Salem).  Note: the Northeast Expressway (current US 1) hasn't been a part of I-95 since 1975.  Salem is more than 2 miles away from I-95.

Edited after realizing & recalling that the City of Lynn's northwestern boundary extends almost as far as Goodwin's Circle (MA 129 w/a connector ramp to I-95 & US 1).  The Lynnfield/Lynn border is located just east of that circle.

Wow. You guys either took me too literal (PHLBOS) or completely missed the bit where I said population/importance. Just because a town may not be big in pop does not mean it is not an important town for education, commerce, and/or tourism. For example, everyone has heard of Wisconsin Dells. But the pop of the Dells is less than 3000. But it IS important as one of the major tourist areas in the Midwest, hence why WisDOT uses Wis Dells from places like Madison and La Crosse.  That's the same reason why I chose Lake Placid NY over Ogdensburg NY.

Places like Muncie IN, Rochester MN, and Racine/Kenosha WI I left off because of the closeness of an interstate to that area. While technically they may not be within the city limits, I consider a city that is say 5 miles away to be within the "outskirts" of the city.

Also, a lot of these places that I picked are also important references for some of us who are storm chasers because of the major  junctions, such as Chanute and Pratt KS.

Now with that being said, I hope you guys understand why some cities and towns were picked for the list. Are there some questionable ones? Certainly to some people.  I just want you all to understand the "method behind the madness".

Dothan, Alabama is fairly large, at 65,000 residents (100,000 in the metropolitan area), but is not served by any type of freeway nor expressway. I-10 is about 30 miles south.

So we see there's a bit of subjectiveness as to what's "on" an Interstate or not...myself, I reflexively consider Little Rock to be "on" I-40, and Boston to be "on" I-95, yet I consider neither Chicago nor NYC to be "on" I-80. Am I just making pat judgments based on my preconception of how those roads relate to those cities, or are there some underlying criteria that I'm unwittingly applying?

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 16, 2013, 09:22:37 PMThat's the same reason why I chose Lake Placid NY over Ogdensburg NY.

Lake Placid is NOT city though.  It's a village.  I mentioned Ogdensburg because it's farther from an interstate than any other city in NY; every other city in NY not directly on an interstate is within a 10 minute drive of one.  If we're going to include villages, than you have to include the Canton/Potsdam area because of the four colleges.

Texas has a legal differentiation between a city, a town and a village in its local government codes irrespective of population. It depends on how the charter is set up. I think Highland Park is Texas' biggest "town," although Prosper will blow their doors in the next decade.

Quote from: deanej on January 17, 2013, 12:32:11 PM

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 16, 2013, 09:22:37 PMThat's the same reason why I chose Lake Placid NY over Ogdensburg NY.

Lake Placid is NOT city though.  It's a village.  I mentioned Ogdensburg because it's farther from an interstate than any other city in NY; every other city in NY not directly on an interstate is within a 10 minute drive of one.

Ithaca.

For Maryland I'd say it should be Waldorf.  It has twice the population of Salisbury.  Would you agree that it's far enough outside of DC?  Granted that Waldorf is unincorporated.  But I would say it's outside DC metro since it's in Charles County and not Prince Georges County.  It's a suburb of a suburb if anything.  Like would you say Frederick MD is part of DC metro?  I wouldn't.  And Waldorf is a booming community since it tripled in size over the last decade or so.  So it's more important in my eyes.

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 16, 2013, 09:22:37 PMJust because a town may not be big in pop does not mean it is not an important town for education, commerce, and/or tourism.

If you're talking about tourism; the City of Salem, MA (according to Bing, population 41,654 circa 2011) does bring in its share of tourists due to its rich history (including witch trials & folklore).  If you haven't been there; I'd suggest you check it out during this spring through fall.

As far as taking things literally is concerned; one needs to keep in mind that since not everybody knows every thread-poster (nor their intent) on this site nor is a mind-reader, how else would one interpret somebody's post?

Just saying.

Prominence matters more than population. Salem is in the shadow of Boston.

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 12, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
While excluding ones that are within a couple miles of an existing Interstate, these are cities of population/importance that I would consider for this list (lower 48 only):
<snip>
IA: Ft Madison, Keokuk, Muscatine, Clinton, Dubuque, Marshalltown, Ottumwa, Ft Dodge

Don't forget Burlington, which is larger than Fort Madison and Keokuk combined.

Quote from: iowahighways on January 18, 2013, 06:32:47 PM

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 12, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
While excluding ones that are within a couple miles of an existing Interstate, these are cities of population/importance that I would consider for this list (lower 48 only):
<snip>
IA: Ft Madison, Keokuk, Muscatine, Clinton, Dubuque, Marshalltown, Ottumwa, Ft Dodge

Don't forget Burlington, which is larger than Fort Madison and Keokuk combined.

Your right. I should have included Burlington too.

Quote from: BrianP on January 17, 2013, 02:17:36 PM
For Maryland I'd say it should be Waldorf.  It has twice the population of Salisbury.  Would you agree that it's far enough outside of DC?  Granted that Waldorf is unincorporated.  But I would say it's outside DC metro since it's in Charles County and not Prince Georges County.  It's a suburb of a suburb if anything.  Like would you say Frederick MD is part of DC metro?  I wouldn't.  And Waldorf is a booming community since it tripled in size over the last decade or so.  So it's more important in my eyes.

My plan would be (I posted in another thread someplace years ago) to extend I-97 down to Carmel Church, VA to make an outer beltway of DC.  That would pass right through Waldorf.

Also, Waldorf, as far away from DC it is, is mentioned as SB control city for MD 5 and Branch Avenue off I-95/ I-495. 

Quote from: SSOWorld on January 13, 2013, 08:37:14 AM

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 12, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
While excluding ones that are within a couple miles of an existing Interstate, these are cities of population/importance that I would consider for this list (lower 48 only):

WI: currently Fond du Lac, currently Oshkosh, currently Appleton/Neenah/Menasha, Sturgeon Bay, Beaver Dam, Monroe, River Falls, Marshfield, West Bend, Wisconsin Rapids, Marinette, Rhinelander

I disagree on Beaver Dam, Monroe, River Falls, Marinette and Rhinelander.  The last has zero importance whatsoever - if you think that's the case, there 40 other cities with higher populations than Rhinelander (7700).

Agreed about Beaver Dam. I would also say the same about West Bend, (although having grown up there, my view could be slightly jaded). IMHO, the US highways that run through those two are plenty. For the most part, they're bedroom communities for Fond du Lac, Madison, and Milwaukee. Both used to be bigger in industry until everything started moving to China and/or being bought out. Neither are much for tourist attractions, and post-secondary education is average. Both downtowns used to be bigger draws until big boxes started taking over. I don't see an Interstate improving things any.

On a related note, I wouldn't mind seeing US 151 turned into an Interstate, (although there would be a lot of work necessary to achieve this--and I realize this contradicts my Beaver Dam statement). With the exception of the current Madison Beltline multiplex fiasco, I think that route would be a nice SW/NE connection through the state and into Iowa. You'd be connecting Manitowoc, Fond du Lac, Madison (UW-Madison), Platteville (more for the value of UW-Platteville), Dubuque, and Cedar Rapids, to name a few.

Quote from: formulanone on January 16, 2013, 09:34:18 PM
Dothan, Alabama is fairly large, at 65,000 residents (100,000 in the metropolitan area), but is not served by any type of freeway nor expressway. I-10 is about 30 miles south.

There is a small (http://dothanfirst.com/fulltext?nxd_id=106095) chance that I-x10 will be built (http://ceds.alabama.gov/strategic-projects-and-programs/transportation-infrastructure/) to connect Dothan and Panama City, but I am not sure if or when that will happen.

How does everyone feel about Brunswick, GA?  It is several miles off of I-95, where I, myself, consider it to be served by it, however the way people were talking about Frankfort, KY and Trenton, NJ on another thread, it makes me wonder if this does not count as one being.

Quote from: roadman65 on January 23, 2013, 06:33:11 PM
How does everyone feel about Brunswick, GA?  It is several miles off of I-95, where I, myself, consider it to be served by it, however the way people were talking about Frankfort, KY and Trenton, NJ on another thread, it makes me wonder if this does not count as one being.

All three are served by the interstate in my view.

A few intervening miles don't disqualify a place, if those miles are taken up by more or less unbroken development that doesn't belong to any other metro area. (Which doesn't lend credence to my assertion that I-80 does not serve Chicago...)

Does I-91 count for NYC?  It is safe to say there is no open areas between NYC and New Haven, and it is one continuous developed corridor, but then Baltimore and Washington are connected with their suburbs and you really cannot say that I-70 by itself serves DC.

Does I-85 serve Richmond, VA considering Richmond and Petersburg are one large metro area.  Also, Richmond is used as control city at many places Northbound in NC north of Durham?

It can be debatable.  I would say that two cities linked by their metro areas would have the center point between the two as the line between each respective metropolitan areas only if two are large cities of the same size.  However, with New Haven is not a big as NYC, so the halfway point between the two cities would not be the line.  Milford, I would say is the far end of the New Haven area, where Stamford is the far reach of NYC.  Each city between like Norwalk and Bridgeport are their own little areas.

If an Interstate is closer to the city center than any of the city's primary airports (if any), it probably counts. The reverse, of course, is not true.

Quote from: roadman65 on January 24, 2013, 12:23:41 AM
Does I-91 count for NYC?  It is safe to say there is no open areas between NYC and New Haven, and it is one continuous developed corridor, but then Baltimore and Washington are connected with their suburbs and you really cannot say that I-70 by itself serves DC.

No, because I-91 serves New Haven. And I also agree about I-70. Hence, "...that doesn't belong to any other metro area."

Quote from: roadman65 on January 24, 2013, 12:23:41 AM
Does I-85 serve Richmond, VA considering Richmond and Petersburg are one large metro area.  Also, Richmond is used as control city at many places Northbound in NC north of Durham?

Not to my thinking; I-85 serves Petersburg. I would likewise treat Minneapolis and St. Paul separately, or Dallas and Fort Worth, if it came up. But, I wouldn't fault anyone for giving Richmond to I-85 as well.

Quote from: roadman65 on January 24, 2013, 12:23:41 AM
It can be debatable.  I would say that two cities linked by their metro areas would have the center point between the two as the line between each respective metropolitan areas only if two are large cities of the same size.  However, with New Haven is not a big as NYC, so the halfway point between the two cities would not be the line.  Milford, I would say is the far end of the New Haven area, where Stamford is the far reach of NYC.  Each city between like Norwalk and Bridgeport are their own little areas.

There's a lot of gray in that topic, which may be why, for this topic, I give more weight to a state line than someone from the census bureau might. I-80 and I-91 don't serve NYC, first and foremost because they don't enter the state. I-91 has other reasons, but for I-80 that's pretty much the extent of my argument. Another example, fitting somewhere in between, would be I-65 and Chicago. (I say that's a no.)

As for where the metro area lines are, there's considerable overlap. True, there's a certain point where CT's cities have more of a CT identity than a NY one, but then again, New Haven is on rail service to Grand Central, and there's a noticeable amount of cross-pollination. NYC does leave a semi-tangible "stamp" on the areas within its sphere of influence; it's hard to describe, but it's definitely there. (It's part of how I divide "upstate" and "downstate", for example.)

Quote from: NE2 on January 24, 2013, 01:23:04 AM
If an Interstate is closer to the city center than any of the city's primary airports (if any), it probably counts. The reverse, of course, is not true.

Then I-80 should count for NYC, being it is closer to Midtown Manhattan than Kennedy and La Guardia is.   I believe that Newark is about the same distance.

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Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 11, 2013, 10:28:54 PM
MN: Technically it's Rochester, since I-90 stays fully south of the city limits. If you don't want to count Rochester or any Twin Cities suburbs, it falls to Mankato.

Rochester stops just short of I-90 along US 63, too.  One small annexation and it's in.

http://goo.gl/maps/FbKQ1

Mike

For all practical purposes, Rochester, MN has been served by I-90 ever since it was first constructed through southern MN.  Heck, I hopped off the interstate and had lunch in Rochester once when driving between SD and IL.   And to count "Brigham City, UT" as not served by an interstate (I-15) is ludicrous.  Try Logan instead. 

Fresno is the poster child for "not being served" as the nearest interstate (I-5) is dozens of miles distant and has a routing that makes it inconvenient for anyone in Fresno to even reach it, let alone use it.  If we start citing examples of cities where the interstate passes nearby, but not within city limits (e.g. Racine, WI) , we'll be here for the next 5 years!   :rolleyes:

Quote from: StogieGuy7 on January 24, 2013, 10:37:46 AM
If we start citing examples of cities where the interstate passes nearby, but not within city limits (e.g. Racine, WI) , we'll be here for the next 5 years!   :rolleyes:

Hopefully we can keep on track with the limiting phrase "Largest cities".

Quote from: kphoger on January 24, 2013, 02:38:37 PM

Quote from: StogieGuy7 on January 24, 2013, 10:37:46 AM
If we start citing examples of cities where the interstate passes nearby, but not within city limits (e.g. Racine, WI) , we'll be here for the next 5 years!   :rolleyes:

Hopefully we can keep on track with the limiting phrase "Largest cities".

Heck, the City of Racine is the most populous municipality in Wisconsin without an interstate highway entering its corporate limits.

:nod:

Mike

Maybe we should make a "15 mile" or "15 minute" rule.  Any city/village/town not within 15 miles or 15 minutes from an interstate, should be considered not having interstate service.

On the issue of NYC suburbs. I-91 does not serve NYC but I-80 does. I-91 might have NYC on guide signs but you are on 95 for 60 miles before you reach NYC (and it is more than hour). I-80 ends shortly before the GWB so I would say it does serve it because once you get off the bridge you see signs for I-80 West- Paterson

Rochester, MN to I-90 is like Ashland, KY is to I-64.  They are both miles away in distance from the interstates.  Also, Ashland is a control city east of Lexington for I-64, despite it is a few miles off of the interstate via US 60.  In fact, Ashland is further from I-64 than Rochester is from I-90.

Dayton, OH is now considered a city served by I-70 and is further away from I-70 than both Rochester and Ashland are from their interstates.

Quote from: amroad17 on January 24, 2013, 09:46:50 PM
Maybe we should make a "15 mile" or "15 minute" rule.  Any city/village/town not within 15 miles or 15 minutes from an interstate, should be considered not having interstate service.

I like that definition except for one issue if it is the 15 minute rule. 15 minutes drive time is different in an urban area as opposed to a smaller town/city area and dependent on what the speed limit is. Rural speed limit in Illinois is 55 but in Texas I have seen 70.

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 25, 2013, 12:31:44 AM
I like that definition except for one issue if it is the 15 minute rule. 15 minutes drive time is different in an urban area as opposed to a smaller town/city area and dependent on what the speed limit is. Rural speed limit in Illinois is 55 but in Texas I have seen 70.

indeed.  by that standard, my local I-805 on-ramp is not served by I-805 during rush hour.  :pan:

Quote from: mukade on January 13, 2013, 02:04:52 PM

Quote from: tdindy88 on January 13, 2013, 12:01:49 PM

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 12, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
IN: Bloomington, Vincennes, Kokomo, Logansport/Peru, Plymouth

One other city for the Indiana list: Muncie. A city of 70,000, Muncie is several miles east of I-69 but never does the interstate pass through the city, hell you barely even notice. Bloomington is the current largest city, but by 2014 it will be connected via I-69 to the south, even if it takes a few more years for the interstate to enter the city limits. Muncie on the otherhand will be the largest city for many years to come, unless an interstate spur is built off of I-69.

Muncie is certainly the best bet, but there is an outside chance that Kokomo would be the biggest in Indiana with no Interstate as it has annexed a ton of surrounding land. It remains to be seen what the revised population will be - I will guess around 60-65K.

By 2012 census numbers, Bloomington is the largest at 80,405.  Muncie is next at 70,085.  Kokomo is third at 45,468.  Others with populations over 20K: Goshen (31,719), Westfield (30,068), Marion (29,948), Schererville (29,243). 

Not sure why people mentioned Vincennes.  It's not very big at all.

EDIT: Apparently Marion has annexed along IN 18 all the way out to I-69, so scratch that one off the list.

I believe the largest municipality in Ohio without an Interstate is Hamilton, with a population of ~63,000.  Although, the ~9 mile long State Route 129 freeway connects its eastern city limits to Interstate 75.  Hamilton is also being swallowed up by Cincinnati & Dayton's suburbs, so maybe it 'doesn't really count.'
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Hamilton,+Ohio&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x8840464e3b405489:0x215a7220815dfea5,Hamilton,+OH&gl=us&ei=CK0CUd_LG6K_yQGI3YEw&ved=0CIMBELYD

Tiffin, on the other hand, has a population of ~18,000 and two universities.  The nearest Interstate highways are I-80/90 about 23 miles north or I-75 about 26 miles west.
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=Tiffin,+Ohio&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41524429,d.aWc&biw=1024&bih=677&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

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Quote from: StogieGuy7 on January 24, 2013, 10:37:46 AM
If we start citing examples of cities where the interstate passes nearby, but not within city limits (e.g. Racine, WI) , we'll be here for the next 5 years!   :rolleyes:

Hopefully we can keep on track with the limiting phrase "Largest cities".

Heck, the City of Racine is the most populous municipality in Wisconsin without an interstate highway entering its corporate limits.

:nod:

Mike

But it is still "served" by Interstate 94.  People in Racine absolutely use that road to get any distance north or south.  It's a short distance west of the city.  And Rochester, MN is "served" by I-90.  As I stated earlier, I know this from my own experience.  It's not far outside of town and is easily accessed via US-52. 

On the other hand, Fresno, CA isn't "served" by any interstate.  Nor are Dover, DE, Logan, UT, Kalispell, MT, Torrington, CT, Bend, OR, Marquette, MI, Minot, ND, Lynchburg, VA or Danville, VA.   

That reality is far more interesting to me than semantics involving whether the highway sneaks into a city's corporate limits or not. 

Quote from: StogieGuy7 on January 25, 2013, 11:17:32 AM

Quote from: mgk920 on January 24, 2013, 09:06:07 PM

Quote from: kphoger on January 24, 2013, 02:38:37 PM

Quote from: StogieGuy7 on January 24, 2013, 10:37:46 AM
If we start citing examples of cities where the interstate passes nearby, but not within city limits (e.g. Racine, WI) , we'll be here for the next 5 years!   :rolleyes:

Hopefully we can keep on track with the limiting phrase "Largest cities".

Heck, the City of Racine is the most populous municipality in Wisconsin without an interstate highway entering its corporate limits.

:nod:

Mike

But it is still "served" by Interstate 94.  People in Racine absolutely use that road to get any distance north or south.  It's a short distance west of the city.  And Rochester, MN is "served" by I-90.  As I stated earlier, I know this from my own experience.  It's not far outside of town and is easily accessed via US-52. 

On the other hand, Fresno, CA isn't "served" by any interstate.  Nor are Dover, DE, Logan, UT, Kalispell, MT, Torrington, CT, Bend, OR, Marquette, MI, Minot, ND, Lynchburg, VA or Danville, VA.   

That reality is far more interesting to me than semantics involving whether the highway sneaks into a city's corporate limits or not. 

Yeah, but you have Lakewood, NJ that is the same distance away from Rochester, MN from the interstate system and you would not consider it served by I-195.  Also, you cannot say that Somerville, NJ is served by I-78 even though it is 4 miles (less than Rochester from I-90) from it.  Although, it is served by another interstate: I-287, but that is how you would say it is served.

Quote from: sandwalk on January 25, 2013, 11:03:07 AM
I believe the largest municipality in Ohio without an Interstate is Hamilton, with a population of ~63,000.  Although, the ~9 mile long State Route 129 freeway connects its eastern city limits to Interstate 75.  Hamilton is also being swallowed up by Cincinnati & Dayton's suburbs, so maybe it 'doesn't really count.'
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Hamilton,+Ohio&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x8840464e3b405489:0x215a7220815dfea5,Hamilton,+OH&gl=us&ei=CK0CUd_LG6K_yQGI3YEw&ved=0CIMBELYD

Hamilton is a Dayton suburb as much as Freehold is a Philly suburb. Hamilton is much closer to Cincy.

Quote from: hobsini2 on January 12, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
NV: currently unsigned Carson City, Ely, Fallon, Laughlin

You missed the mark completely on Nevada...

I-580 is now signed in Carson City, so that comes off the list. Thus, the largest populated area without Interstate service is actually Pahrump, which saw considerable growth in the last 10-20 years as a bedroom community to Las Vegas. Boulder City is another one to add to the list, and is larger than the remaining others.

I would say, however, that Ely and Fallon both have some significance geographically. Laughlin is small going by strict population standards, but would beat Pahrump when you factor in Bullhead City, AZ (where most of that area's population actually resides).

QuoteI would say, however, that Ely and Fallon both have some significance geographically.

Ely is actually the southernmost city in Idaho. It's not really in Nevada. Just look at the license plates of all the cars coming in and out of town

Quote from: corco on January 26, 2013, 10:05:12 PM
Ely is actually the southernmost city in Idaho. It's not really in Nevada. Just look at the license plates of all the cars coming in and out of town

As an aside, I have to say that it still surprises me a bit whenever I remember that Nevada and Idaho share a border. Somehow they just don't strike me as being neighboring states.

Quote from: empirestate on January 27, 2013, 10:17:31 AM

Quote from: corco on January 26, 2013, 10:05:12 PM
Ely is actually the southernmost city in Idaho. It's not really in Nevada. Just look at the license plates of all the cars coming in and out of town

As an aside, I have to say that it still surprises me a bit whenever I remember that Nevada and Idaho share a border. Somehow they just don't strike me as being neighboring states.

That is because no major highways cross in between or the fact not many roads per square mile out there.

Another common misconception about borders is the fact that many do not realize that West Virginia is west of PA as well as south of.  I-70, as many of us here know, does enter 11 miles of the state en route to Ohio heading out of the Keystone State.  Some people when you tell them you go are traveling out west, when you lodge in or around Wheeling, and you inform those you tell that you are in West Virginia actually think you changed travel plans and headed south.

Quote from: corco on January 26, 2013, 10:05:12 PM

QuoteI would say, however, that Ely and Fallon both have some significance geographically.

Ely is actually the southernmost city in Idaho. It's not really in Nevada. Just look at the license plates of all the cars coming in and out of town

According to Google, Ely is nearly 200 miles south of Idaho.  It's also well south of Nevada's portion of I-80.

QuoteAccording to Google, Ely is nearly 200 miles south of Idaho.  It's also well south of Nevada's portion of I-80.

Yeah but once you get on 93 north out of Las Vegas, there's exactly four real towns in Nevada between Las Vegas and Idaho- Caliente, Pioche, Ely, and Wells and Caliente and Pioche are only there if you take the long way. The majority of the traffic on that road is Idaho traffic heading to Las Vegas- on any given weekend the number of Idaho plates outnumbers the number of Nevada plates 2:1 on 93, especially once you get up to Ely in the four or five times I've driven it. Nobody lives in that part of Nevada.

It's one of the more unique situations in the country when you get off I-15 onto 93 and you're 430 miles south of Idaho, but most of the cars have Idaho plates.

Ely itself is pretty much sustained as a fuel/food stop for Idaho->Vegas traffic. I was there a few weeks ago when Boise State was about to play in the Las Vegas bowl, and most of the businesses in town had some sort of sign to try to lure Idahoans into their establishments.

Hence the joke that it's actually the southernmost city in Idaho. If you go the fast way, Ely is the last town before Vegas.

Quote from: corco on January 27, 2013, 11:45:29 AM

QuoteAccording to Google, Ely is nearly 200 miles south of Idaho.  It's also well south of Nevada's portion of I-80.

Yeah but once you get on 93 north out of Las Vegas, there's exactly four real towns in Nevada between Las Vegas and Idaho- Caliente, Pioche, Ely, and Wells and Caliente and Pioche are only there if you take the long way. The majority of the traffic on that road is Idaho traffic heading to Las Vegas- on any given weekend the number of Idaho plates outnumbers the number of Nevada plates 2:1 on 93, especially once you get up to Ely in the four or five times I've driven it. Nobody lives in that part of Nevada.

It's one of the more unique situations in the country when you get off I-15 onto 93 and you're 430 miles south of Idaho, but most of the cars have Idaho plates.

Ely itself is pretty much sustained as a fuel/food stop for Idaho->Vegas traffic. I was there a few weeks ago when Boise State was about to play in the Las Vegas bowl, and most of the businesses in town had some sort of sign to try to lure Idahoans into their establishments.

Hence the joke that it's actually the southernmost city in Idaho. If you go the fast way, Ely is the last town before Vegas.

Eh, sorry but I'm not buying this.  If anything, Ely is far more closely tied to Utah and (having been there myself), you see as many UT plates as NV ones around there.  I don't recall ID being any more dominant there than it is in northern Utah.  Furthermore, the Elko area (though still small) is growing pretty quickly and is one of the places where folks from Ely would go shopping when they need something that they can't get in town.  Provo, Salt Lake City and Las Vegas would be for longer trips.  Boise and Twin Falls aren't on the list.

I agree that the people of Ely are probably more tied to Utah than Idaho, but the 93 corridor itself is made up of largely Idaho plates and a large part of Ely's service economy is blatantly designed to carter to people travelling on the 93 corridor. Pull into McDonald's in Ely on a given day and count the number of Idaho plates to the number of Utah/Nevada plates. I'm certain of this. A map confirms it- why would any non-local traffic be on US-93 in eastern Nevada unless they were going from Idaho to Las Vegas/Phoenix/LA? It doesn't serve any other corridor.

People from Ely don't go to Idaho, that I agree with. But people from Idaho swamp Ely.

For some record, I grew up in Idaho (where all my family is) and just moved to Montana from Arizona four weeks ago and Ely was the logical overnight stop- I did that drive multiple times a year for the last couple years. Then my parents are doing the snowbird thing and alternate every three months between Phoenix and Idaho, and they've remarked on several occasions how weird it is how many Idaho plates there are on 93.

Quote from: corco on January 28, 2013, 03:59:08 PM
I agree that the people of Ely are probably more tied to Utah than Idaho, but the 93 corridor itself is made up of largely Idaho plates and a large part of Ely's service economy is blatantly designed to carter to people travelling on the 93 corridor. Pull into McDonald's in Ely on a given day and count the number of Idaho plates to the number of Utah/Nevada plates. I'm certain of this. A map confirms it- why would any non-local traffic be on US-93 in eastern Nevada unless they were going from Idaho to Las Vegas/Phoenix/LA? It doesn't serve any other corridor.

People from Ely don't go to Idaho, that I agree with. But people from Idaho swamp Ely.

By that logic, Lexington, Chattanooga, and Macon are the southernmost cities in Ohio every spring break.

Seriously, I was coming home from spring break once (my spring break was a week earlier than most people's that year) and in Chattanooga there was a traffic jam southbound where at least half of the license plates were from Ohio, with Michigan representing at least half the remainder.

and if that's the case, I would say you can make that joke.  The difference I guess is that Ely is a tiny town so it really gets overrun, while Lexington/Chattanooga presumably have some population of there own

Quote from: vtk on January 28, 2013, 04:05:16 PM

Quote from: corco on January 28, 2013, 03:59:08 PM
I agree that the people of Ely are probably more tied to Utah than Idaho, but the 93 corridor itself is made up of largely Idaho plates and a large part of Ely's service economy is blatantly designed to carter to people travelling on the 93 corridor. Pull into McDonald's in Ely on a given day and count the number of Idaho plates to the number of Utah/Nevada plates. I'm certain of this. A map confirms it- why would any non-local traffic be on US-93 in eastern Nevada unless they were going from Idaho to Las Vegas/Phoenix/LA? It doesn't serve any other corridor.

People from Ely don't go to Idaho, that I agree with. But people from Idaho swamp Ely.

By that logic, Lexington, Chattanooga, and Macon are the southernmost cities in Ohio every spring break.

Seriously, I was coming home from spring break once (my spring break was a week earlier than most people's that year) and in Chattanooga there was a traffic jam southbound where at least half of the license plates were from Ohio, with Michigan representing at least half the remainder.

There would be more MI plates, but Michigan splits its Florida-bound traffic between 65/69/24 (GR, Lansing, Kalamazoo) and 75 (Detroit, Flint, Saginaw) north of Chattanooga while Ohio funnels most of its Florida-bound traffic onto 71/75.

Back on topic, the largest city that has never had an official interstate proposal in Michigan would probably be Marquette followed by Traverse City and Alpena.

If we were limiting this to just 2-digit Interstates, Pittsburgh,PA would be one of them.  I-79 runs close to it, but doesn't serve the downtown area and barely serves any suburbs either.  I-76 (PA Turnpike) runs northeast of it, and doesn't ever come closer than 13 miles to downtown.  However, Pgh does have I-279 and the recently expanded I-376, which existed for a while from Monroeville to downtown.  I know we were talking just Interstates in general and not just 2-digit ones, but I thought this might be worth noting.

This I posted in another thread about US routes having the same by mistake.

Escanaba, MI and Mount Pleasant, MI.

Escanaba may have a small population, but given the area its in (as the UP only has less than 10 percent of Michigan's total population) it is the largest of its kind.

Quote from: CrossCountryRoads on January 28, 2013, 07:10:25 PM
If we were limiting this to just 2-digit Interstates

... the list of cities would be a lot longer.  :)

Quote from: Road Hog on January 26, 2013, 02:07:02 AM

Quote from: sandwalk on January 25, 2013, 11:03:07 AM
I believe the largest municipality in Ohio without an Interstate is Hamilton, with a population of ~63,000.  Although, the ~9 mile long State Route 129 freeway connects its eastern city limits to Interstate 75.  Hamilton is also being swallowed up by Cincinnati & Dayton's suburbs, so maybe it 'doesn't really count.'
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Hamilton,+Ohio&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x8840464e3b405489:0x215a7220815dfea5,Hamilton,+OH&gl=us&ei=CK0CUd_LG6K_yQGI3YEw&ved=0CIMBELYD

Hamilton is a Dayton suburb as much as Freehold is a Philly suburb. Hamilton is much closer to Cincy.

I didn't say Hamilton was a Dayton suburb.

Quote from: CrossCountryRoads on January 28, 2013, 07:10:25 PM
If we were limiting this to just 2-digit Interstates, Pittsburgh,PA would be one of them.  I-79 runs close to it, but doesn't serve the downtown area and barely serves any suburbs either.  I-76 (PA Turnpike) runs northeast of it, and doesn't ever come closer than 13 miles to downtown.  However, Pgh does have I-279 and the recently expanded I-376, which existed for a while from Monroeville to downtown.  I know we were talking just Interstates in general and not just 2-digit ones, but I thought this might be worth noting.

San Jose would then be the largest if we limit to just 2dis. It has the US 101 freeway and severa
I-x80's, but no 2di.

Quote from: sandwalk on January 29, 2013, 03:03:57 PM

Quote from: Road Hog on January 26, 2013, 02:07:02 AM
Hamilton is a Dayton suburb as much as Freehold is a Philly suburb. Hamilton is much closer to Cincy.

I didn't say Hamilton was a Dayton suburb.

That's how I read the following.  If a town is being swallowed up by suburbs, that kind of makes it a suburb too–geographically speaking.

Quote from: sandwalk on January 25, 2013, 11:03:07 AM
Hamilton is also being swallowed up by Cincinnati & Dayton's suburbs, so maybe it 'doesn't really count.'

Does anyone know if I-75 enters Tampa?  I know it bypasses the downtown several miles to the east of it, but does the city limits go out that far, especially with sprawl and annexation. 

Quote from: roadman65 on February 09, 2013, 01:59:18 PM
Does anyone know if I-75 enters Tampa?

Google does. (http://www.google.com/search?q=tampa+city+limits+map)

Not to mention Google Maps overlays of the city limits you searched for.

USGS also knows: http://viewer.nationalmap.gov/viewer/

Quote from: NE2 on February 09, 2013, 02:14:42 PM

Quote from: roadman65 on February 09, 2013, 01:59:18 PM
Does anyone know if I-75 enters Tampa?

Google does. (http://www.google.com/search?q=tampa+city+limits+map)

I do not trust google completely.  I do not even trust locals.  You know how some people who live in Orlando do not know themselves if they are city or unincorporated. 

Google is a search engine. Its first result is tampagov.net. If you don't trust them to know where their own borders are, you're probably the type to stockpile gold.

I know a kind of city of Willmantic, CT, the nearest interstate is I-384 is 15 miles away,but it is severd by the US 6 Willmantic Bypass.
The bypass has 2 exits, CT 195 some of it in Mansfield,CT, The next exit is CT 32 just 0.1 miles of the town boder of Mansfield,CT. I live only 8 miles away from Willmantic. The main route of Willmantic is CT 66 and CT 32 overlap, and CT 66 itself for a mile. My route I live on is CT 14 wich starts in Willmantic. Thank you for reading this :-D

Another fine addition to the menagerie here.   :rolleyes:

Quote from: NE2 on February 09, 2013, 06:40:06 PM
Google is a search engine. Its first result is tampagov.net. If you don't trust them to know where their own borders are, you're probably the type to stockpile gold.

Well,  I guess I am not as smart as you. 

Quote from: roadman65 on February 09, 2013, 07:52:57 PM

Quote from: NE2 on February 09, 2013, 06:40:06 PM
Google is a search engine. Its first result is tampagov.net. If you don't trust them to know where their own borders are, you're probably the type to stockpile gold.

Well,  I guess I am not as smart as you. 

Don't sweat it, just use the National Map instead. It uses Census data primarily, which is essentially the national authority on geographic boundaries in this country (and it derives its data directly from local authorities). If you can't get the info directly from the municipality yourself, this is the next best thing.

Quote from: empirestate on February 09, 2013, 11:04:15 PM

Quote from: roadman65 on February 09, 2013, 07:52:57 PM

Quote from: NE2 on February 09, 2013, 06:40:06 PM
Google is a search engine. Its first result is tampagov.net. If you don't trust them to know where their own borders are, you're probably the type to stockpile gold.

Well,  I guess I am not as smart as you. 

Don't sweat it, just use the National Map instead. It uses Census data primarily, which is essentially the national authority on geographic boundaries in this country (and it derives its data directly from local authorities). If you can't get the info directly from the municipality yourself, this is the next best thing.

Thanks.

Anyway, I was not that desperate to know about Tampa.  Being that some are having debate over what makes a route serve a city by wondering if a route does not enter its city limits counts over one that does.  I was trying to find out if the I-75 would be considered serving Tampa as far as the topic goes.  I am sorry that I made it seem like I wanted to know for myself exclusively, instead of being much clearer.  One of these days I will get it right.  Unfortunately, writing is not my best subject and I am trying to master it.

However, I do appreciate the information as I will use it to learn more about cities and learn to trust more sources.

Quote from: roadman65 on February 10, 2013, 10:35:43 AM
Anyway, I was not that desperate to know about Tampa.  Being that some are having debate over what makes a route serve a city by wondering if a route does not enter its city limits counts over one that does.  I was trying to find out if the I-75 would be considered serving Tampa as far as the topic goes.  I am sorry that I made it seem like I wanted to know for myself exclusively, instead of being much clearer.  One of these days I will get it right.  Unfortunately, writing is not my best subject and I am trying to master it.

However, I do appreciate the information as I will use it to learn more about cities and learn to trust more sources.

I would definitely count I-75 as serving Tampa, whether or not it actually clips the city line. St. Petersburg, on the other hand...

I also think it's possible for a road to enter a city but not serve it, an arguable example being Washington, DC (or some non-interstate routes through Jacksonville).

Quote from: InterstateNG on February 09, 2013, 07:15:10 PM
Another fine addition to the menagerie here.   :rolleyes:

Pick on someone your own age; or at least, nobody at all.

I think we're starting to pound this subject into oblivion, just because an Interstate "misses" a city's border by 50 feet or the nearby interstate has 4 exits with the city's name on the BGS, some people are excluding it. :/

Quote from: formulanone on February 11, 2013, 12:43:47 PM

Pick on someone your own age; or at least, nobody at all.

Sorry, this place doesn't need incoherent "9-year olds" posting.  And it would appear the mods agree.

But in the future, I'll be sure to run things by you first.  Oh wait, no I won't.

Quote from: InterstateNG on February 11, 2013, 06:24:23 PM
But in the future, I'll be sure to run things by you first.  Oh wait, no I won't.

Since this is coming from a member who, in his own words, wants to be banned (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=8159.msg196961#msg196961), has trolled four other members (without offering any advice nor help) in the last 30 days, and has no special privileges at AARoads, I'll just put you on ignore.

Quote from: InterstateNG on February 11, 2013, 06:24:23 PM

Quote from: formulanone on February 11, 2013, 12:43:47 PM

Pick on someone your own age; or at least, nobody at all.

Sorry, this place doesn't need incoherent "9-year olds" posting.  And it would appear the mods agree.

But in the future, I'll be sure to run things by you first.  Oh wait, no I won't.

Err, how would you know anything about how the mods feel?

Quote from: CTInterstate on February 09, 2013, 07:12:15 PM
I know a kind of city of Willmantic, CT, the nearest interstate is I-384 is 15 miles away,but it is severd by the US 6 Willmantic Bypass.
The bypass has 2 exits, CT 195 some of it in Mansfield,CT, The next exit is CT 32 just 0.1 miles of the town boder of Mansfield,CT. I live only 8 miles away from Willmantic. The main route of Willmantic is CT 66 and CT 32 overlap, and CT 66 itself for a mile. My route I live on is CT 14 wich starts in Willmantic. Thank you for reading this :-D

You are correct about Willimantic not being served by an interstate and, yes, it is a small city and is certainly fair game for this discussion (Interstate NG, this means you! :pan:). 

What you may not know is that the present-day US-6 bypass was once a section of Interstate 84.  Back in the late 1960s and 1970s, there was a proposal to have I-84 connect Hartford with Providence, RI.  The former northern segment of the Wilbur Cross Parkway (which was I-84) was actually changed to I-86 for a while because of this.   

Of course, for various reasons, the connection between Hartford and Providence ran into a lot of opposition from the various towns that it would run through and the idea eventually died.  However, 2 pieces of expressway in Connecticut were constructed as part of that project and each was called I-84 for a while: the first was what is now I-384 around Manchester and the second was the bypass around Willimantic.  When the project was cancelled (around 1982 I think), the I-86 name was removed and I-84 again connected Hartford with the Mass Pike.   And those 2 little pieces of expressway were rebadged as I-384 and US-6.   

So yes, Willimantic is without interstate service.  But, for about 10 years or so, it actually had one!

London. There was no mention in the rules that it had to be US cities.

Also, there might be some "1 from huge city" cities that are famous and don't have interstates.

Also, Ithaca NY has no interstates or US routes, but I'm not sure if it's "big" or not.

Quote from: 1 on August 10, 2013, 08:58:33 PMThere was no mention in the rules that it had to be US cities.

So why didn't you necro this thread with Tokyo, which would win?

Ithica, NY is 4 times the size of the city of London, England...

...Of course, London's met area is 1000 times more populous than the city!

In Pennsylvania/New Jersey/Delaware/MD here are the ones I know of:

Reading, PA (I-176 stays completely south of the city proper)
Lancaster, PA
Johnstown, PA
Pottsville, PA (has no real freeway system at all)
Pottstown, PA (signed as a control city off of I-476)
Atlantic City, NJ
Cape May, NJ
Smyrna, DE
Dover, DE
Rehoboth Beach, DE
Salisbury, MD
Ocean City, MD