So I was coming back from a trip to Mayfair today, and couldn't believe my eyes. As part of the Mayfair Rd reconstruction (WIS 100), WisDOT has installed a U-Turn signal. :-o With how long it took Wisconsin to legalize U-turns at signalized intersections, I thought we'd be one of the last to install such a feature. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get a photo, nor are any Google images recent enough to show this installation. IIRC, this was the intersection with the U-turn signal installation: http://goo.gl/maps/aepbp (http://goo.gl/maps/aepbp). Surprisingly, this new tool is nowhere to be found on the WisDOT website.
Anyone noticed any other new U-Turn signal installations (since its inclusion in the 2009 MUTCD)?
Was it a U-turn arrow or just a boring ball (or left arrow)?
http://goo.gl/maps/8mnmR
Here's one in Morgan Hill, CA.
In Vancouver, there's one; however, it's just a ball on Mill Plain and 155th Ave.
I remember in Wilmington, back in 1978, off US 17/76 (I think?) there was a U-turn signal somewhere near the NC 132 intersection, and it had a U-arrow on it.
Quote from: NE2 on January 13, 2013, 12:44:38 AM
Was it a U-turn arrow or just a boring ball (or left arrow)?
It was a LED U-turn arrow (arrowhead pointed down). The odd shape is what drew my attention (looked a bit different from what KEK posted--what I saw looked much closer to what is depicted in the 2009 MUTCD). From a distance, it looks like a ball that has had a few too many LEDs fail. There was also a sign, since there was a flashing yellow component. If I wasn't under a tight schedule, I would have gone back to snap a photo. :banghead: Maybe one of my Milwaukee area brethren could snap a pic since I don't know when I might be in the 'Tosa area next.
New 2009 MUTCD feature: http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part4/fig4d_01_longdesc.htm
Here's another one in Cupertino, CA on eastbound Stevens Creek Blvd at Torre Avenue.
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=37.322982,-122.027552&spn=0.000455,0.000453&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=37.322918,-122.027591&panoid=Q6-P6wyC5K8VlspGR7NK3A&cbp=12,88.25,,2,1.83
I recall seeing one a couple years ago on MD 355 northbound leaving Gaithersburg. Likely at either Travis Ave (Street View isn't clear enough to confirm) or Watkins Mill Rd (in which case it's probably gone as Watkins Mill has since been extended through the intersection).
Quote from: myosh_tino on January 13, 2013, 01:06:21 AM
Here's another one in Cupertino, CA on eastbound Stevens Creek Blvd at Torre Avenue.
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=37.322982,-122.027552&spn=0.000455,0.000453&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=37.322918,-122.027591&panoid=Q6-P6wyC5K8VlspGR7NK3A&cbp=12,88.25,,2,1.83
I like how that is reinforced. Not just by the "U-Turn Only" sign, but the signal itself. Do the yellow and green phases look like that, too?
Quote from: Mark68 on January 13, 2013, 05:51:38 PM
Quote from: myosh_tino on January 13, 2013, 01:06:21 AM
Here's another one in Cupertino, CA on eastbound Stevens Creek Blvd at Torre Avenue.
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=37.322982,-122.027552&spn=0.000455,0.000453&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=37.322918,-122.027591&panoid=Q6-P6wyC5K8VlspGR7NK3A&cbp=12,88.25,,2,1.83
I like how that is reinforced. Not just by the "U-Turn Only" sign, but the signal itself. Do the yellow and green phases look like that, too?
Yep. This signal was installed a few years ago well before the 2009 MUTCD came out.
Here's (http://goo.gl/maps/8BLbB) another u-turn signal along DE 92/Naamans Road at Ebright Road in northern Delaware. These signals, however, do not have the u-turn lenses seen in some of the previous posts. Just standard left arrow sections.
There's a u-turn doghouse signal on Owings Mills Blvd (MD 940) at the connector road to Reisterstown Rd. (MD 140). Google Maps doesn't have a good view of it though.
There's also a regular u-turn signal at the northern access road to Marley Station Mall off of Ritchie Hwy (MD 2), but again, Google Maps fails to come through with a good view.
I wonder if the better Google Maps view for the installation in Cupertino is because it just so happens to be at eye-level in the median, where the other ones mentioned here are for overhead installations?
Revere Beach Parkway westbound has a U-turn only signal at Railroad St., with regular left arrows as part of the classic MDC battleship gray signal assemblies with stuff for different directions all on the same assembly.
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/547881_10101527688586758_89181926_n.jpg)
The straight green arrow is always on.
The left arrows could be deceiving because Railroad is to the left but is one-way out.
I'd share the pics of the other parts of the cycle (and will on request) but the one pic may do the trick. The one with both greens includes the u-turn only sign; the other pics crop it off or miss it completely.
There's several permitted U-turns along Erie Blvd. in Syracuse, and this (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=43.049701,-76.071485&spn=0.002693,0.005681&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=43.049701,-76.071485&panoid=30xGWgWHPGX3ylFiHTPZsg&cbp=12,149.55,,0,-4.97) is the only intersection I could find with U-turn signage. None of the signals along Erie Blvd. have U-turn lenses, and this is the only intersection I could find with a U-turn sign. All of the other intersections I looked at had a left turn only arrow, but didn't have any no U-turn signs.
An example of a U-turn Signal along Texas State Highway 242 at Greenbridge Drive in The Woodlands (This U-Turn signal has the double red lights but has since been converted to red arrows shortly after the photo was taken):
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=the+woodlands&hl=en&ll=30.210384,-95.500309&spn=0.006481,0.013078&hnear=The+Woodlands,+Montgomery,+Texas&gl=us&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=30.210277,-95.500248&panoid=dgFVtcGATqGmHGRFIl2qEw&cbp=12,189.37,,1,-2.88
Another example in California along southbound County Road S-18 (El Toro Road) before I-5 in Lake Forest. The U-turn lane is before S-18's intersection with Bridger Road:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=mission+viejo&hl=en&ll=33.615781,-117.706296&spn=0.002832,0.013078&sll=33.615873,-117.706444&sspn=0.012562,0.034332&gl=us&hnear=Mission+Viejo,+Orange,+California&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=33.615781,-117.706301&panoid=sv_3F3pjKHS4DJwuusf_Iw&cbp=11,243.92,,1,0.22
Unless my mind is playing tricks on me, I think I saw at least one U-Turn signal lens along the Coastal Highway (MD-528) in Ocean City, MD.
Some U-turn signals exist here in New Jersey. I'm aware of one that's near New Brunswick. Although the traffic signal does not literally have U-turn indications. Ordinary left turn arrows are in use.
This is true for several intersections that I know of in Howard Beach, Queens, New York. They exist on Cross Bay Blvd., and when indicated to do so, a driver is allowed to either make a left or U-turn. Some intersections there do not have signs that indicate not to perform such movements.
Quote from: M3019C LPS20 on March 16, 2013, 09:34:58 PM
Some U-turn signals exist here in New Jersey. I'm aware of one that's near New Brunswick. Although the traffic signal does not literally have U-turn indications. Ordinary left turn arrows are in use.
This is true for several intersections that I know of in Howard Beach, Queens, New York. They exist on Cross Bay Blvd., and when indicated to do so, a driver is allowed to either make a left or U-turn. Some intersections there do not have signs that indicate not to perform such movements.
I think drivers are allowed to make a U turn on any green left arrow in many states, as long as there is no prohibitive sign.
Quote from: kphoger on March 18, 2013, 12:24:59 PM
Quote from: M3019C LPS20 on March 16, 2013, 09:34:58 PM
Some U-turn signals exist here in New Jersey. I'm aware of one that's near New Brunswick. Although the traffic signal does not literally have U-turn indications. Ordinary left turn arrows are in use.
This is true for several intersections that I know of in Howard Beach, Queens, New York. They exist on Cross Bay Blvd., and when indicated to do so, a driver is allowed to either make a left or U-turn. Some intersections there do not have signs that indicate not to perform such movements.
I think drivers are allowed to make a U turn on any green left arrow in many states, as long as there is no prohibitive sign.
I know that's the law here, and I've never seen a U-turn light.
Where it becomes a problem in practice is when the U-turn brings them into conflict with people making right turns. If the people making the right turns are turning right on red, then the person turning right is supposed to yield because the presence of the green arrow trumps the normal "U-turn must yield to everyone else rule"–that is, a person going right on red still has a red light and so has to yield to everyone who has a green. A lot of people get confused and I've seen a lot of near-misses at intersections where that sort of conflict occurs–the main one being northbound Van Dorn Street at Edsall Road in Alexandria, Virginia, where a lot of people make U-turns to get to a McDonald's and a lot of the U-turners stop to yield to the right-on-red drivers. I'm always expecting to see a rear-ending there when a U-turner stops suddenly.
If both the U-turners and the right turners have green arrows, then the U-turners are supposed to yield. The off-ramp from the Capital Beltway at Van Dorn Street in Fairfax County has that scenario and it even has a sign saying "U-Turn Yield to Right Turn." Funny thing is, even though there's a sign, at that intersection the U-turners almost never yield (unlike the other intersection mentioned above, which is a mile or two north on Van Dorn).
The solution for an intersection with an unusually high incidence of U-turns might be either to ban right on red or else ban it during certain hours when the U-turns are a problem. VDOT uses "No Turn on Red 7 AM—7 PM" often enough, for example, though off the top of my head I can't think of an instance where that's posted specifically because of U-turns.
I've also seen "right turn on red yield to U-turn".
isn't there one state where it's illegal to make a U-turn? Ohio? Wisconsin? I don't remember.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 18, 2013, 03:08:06 PM
isn't there one state where it's illegal to make a U-turn? Ohio? Wisconsin? I don't remember.
IIRC, Oregon does not allow u-turns unless there is a sign permitting it (maybe... see note below). On a trip to Portland in 2009, I made a u-turn at an intersection and almost got broadsided by a car turning right from the intersecting street. When I looked back, the other driver had a green right-turn arrow while I had a green left-turn arrow. I didn't see any signs prohibiting a u-turn though.
Note: Looking at a GSV image (http://www.google.com/maps?ll=45.43356,-122.560912&spn=0.004148,0.006899&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=45.433309,-122.561887&panoid=fPTww5Gf6-fnkJvinpLBhw&cbp=12,68.25,,2,-5.04) of the intersection, there is now a no u-turn sign on the mast arm between the two left-turn signals. I swear that sign wasn't there in 2009.
Quote from: myosh_tino on March 18, 2013, 03:28:38 PMthe other driver had a green right-turn arrow while I had a green left-turn arrow.
how does one ascertain that this is the situation? sometimes it is very tricky to note a green arrow which is 90 degrees away (mainly due to traffic light lens hoods)... if I am making a U-turn on a green left arrow, I will assume I have right of way.
in California, I believe this situation is unambiguous: there are no green right arrows for intersections which allow a U-turn for the corresponding left movement. if there is a No U-turn for the left, then and only then will you find a green right arrow. to the best of my knowledge, anyway.
Quote from: PurdueBill on January 17, 2013, 01:53:11 PM
Revere Beach Parkway westbound has a U-turn only signal at Railroad St., with regular left arrows as part of the classic MDC battleship gray signal assemblies with stuff for different directions all on the same assembly.
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/547881_10101527688586758_89181926_n.jpg)
The straight green arrow is always on.
The left arrows could be deceiving because Railroad is to the left but is one-way out.
I'd share the pics of the other parts of the cycle (and will on request) but the one pic may do the trick. The one with both greens includes the u-turn only sign; the other pics crop it off or miss it completely.
Actually, those signal assemblies (though not the lenses) have been around for
decades (60s perhaps). Prior to the MDC painting their signals grey circa mid-1980s, they were originally dark green.
That particular signalhead's original lens arrangement was probably:
Red Ball
Yellow Ball
Up Green Arrow
Left Green Arrow.
The lighting sequence, back then, probably went like (letters indicate lit lenses) UL, YU, RU, then back to UL.
MA 1A along the Lynnway has several of those signal set-ups for Left/U-turn movements (using/Left Arrows). One signal, prior to the 1989 overhaul, located just before the General Edwards Bridge used to have a signal arrangement that featured an eternally-lit Upwards green arrow facing MA 1A southbounders. The signal would only stop northbound 1A traffic (coming from the bridge) when a southbounder needed to make a u-turn in order to access the old Harbour House Hotel/Club Morgan & old Building 19-7/8 (current Wal-Mart) along northbound 1A.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 18, 2013, 03:08:06 PM
isn't there one state where it's illegal to make a U-turn? Ohio? Wisconsin? I don't remember.
Until 2010, it was illegal to make a U-turn at
any signalized intersection in the State of Wisconsin. That law has been amended to coincide with just about every other state where U-turns are legal unless posted otherwise.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 18, 2013, 03:39:41 PM
Quote from: myosh_tino on March 18, 2013, 03:28:38 PMthe other driver had a green right-turn arrow while I had a green left-turn arrow.
how does one ascertain that this is the situation? sometimes it is very tricky to note a green arrow which is 90 degrees away (mainly due to traffic light lens hoods)... if I am making a U-turn on a green left arrow, I will assume I have right of way.
in California, I believe this situation is unambiguous: there are no green right arrows for intersections which allow a U-turn for the corresponding left movement. if there is a No U-turn for the left, then and only then will you find a green right arrow. to the best of my knowledge, anyway.
You know, I frequently find myself wondering why a given intersection doesn't include a right green arrow when left turn arrows are included for cross traffic. Now I have a possible explanation to assuage my grumbling! Thank you.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 18, 2013, 03:39:41 PM
Quote from: myosh_tino on March 18, 2013, 03:28:38 PMthe other driver had a green right-turn arrow while I had a green left-turn arrow.
how does one ascertain that this is the situation? sometimes it is very tricky to note a green arrow which is 90 degrees away (mainly due to traffic light lens hoods)... if I am making a U-turn on a green left arrow, I will assume I have right of way.
in California, I believe this situation is unambiguous: there are no green right arrows for intersections which allow a U-turn for the corresponding left movement. if there is a No U-turn for the left, then and only then will you find a green right arrow. to the best of my knowledge, anyway.
One possible way to tell is if there's the presence of a sign like the one I described earlier on an off-ramp: "U-Turn Yield to Right Turn." Problem is, the average driver coming off the Interstate with a green light is probably unlikely to notice a sign like that. He's quite understandably focused on making the U-turn instead of looking at the signs. The system you describe of not using a green right arrow if there's a U-turn allowed on a green left arrow seems more sensible to me.
Here's a Street View of the sign I mentioned (http://goo.gl/maps/P810m), though it's viewed from the other side of the median because the same-side image is obstructed by a truck. A person making a U-turn from the left lane facing that sign comes into conflict with drivers turning right on a green arrow (coming from the camera's left at the angle I've linked), hence the sign. There's a lot of U-turning traffic at that particular spot for some reason that's never been apparent to me, though I suspect a lot of it is people who got lost or missed their exit in the nearby Springfield Interchange and are heading back to try again.
(The sign on the far right in that Street View says "Right Turn on Red This Lane Only" with an arrow pointing to the curb lane. That lane also gets a green arrow for its right turn, but the U-turn conflict doesn't occur due to a U-turn prohibition from the two left turn lanes on the far side there....and I've never seen anyone ignore that particular "No U-Turn" sign, either.)
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 18, 2013, 03:39:41 PM
Quote from: myosh_tino on March 18, 2013, 03:28:38 PMthe other driver had a green right-turn arrow while I had a green left-turn arrow.
how does one ascertain that this is the situation? sometimes it is very tricky to note a green arrow which is 90 degrees away (mainly due to traffic light lens hoods)... if I am making a U-turn on a green left arrow, I will assume I have right of way.
In my case, the only reason why I know cross traffic had a green right-turn arrow was because after almost getting hit, I instinctively look for the cross-traffic signal and that's when I saw the green right arrow. My normal thinking is u-turns are allowed unless I see a No U-Turn sign but apparently there are states that do not allow u-turns unless there are signs permitting them.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 18, 2013, 03:39:41 PM
in California, I believe this situation is unambiguous: there are no green right arrows for intersections which allow a U-turn for the corresponding left movement. if there is a No U-turn for the left, then and only then will you find a green right arrow. to the best of my knowledge, anyway.
From my personal observations, your statement is 100% spot-on in California.
Quote from: NE2 on March 18, 2013, 01:53:43 PM
I've also seen "right turn on red yield to U-turn".
They are signed like that where there are frequent U-turns. MUTCD sign R10-30
Quote from: myosh_tino on March 18, 2013, 04:31:02 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 18, 2013, 03:39:41 PM
in California, I believe this situation is unambiguous: there are no green right arrows for intersections which allow a U-turn for the corresponding left movement. if there is a No U-turn for the left, then and only then will you find a green right arrow. to the best of my knowledge, anyway.
From my personal observations, your statement is 100% spot-on in California.
The statement is also spot-on with 100% of my observations in Nevada.
Quote from: DaBigE on March 18, 2013, 03:43:23 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 18, 2013, 03:08:06 PM
isn't there one state where it's illegal to make a U-turn? Ohio? Wisconsin? I don't remember.
Until 2010, it was illegal to make a U-turn at any signalized intersection in the State of Wisconsin. That law has been amended to coincide with just about every other state where U-turns are legal unless posted otherwise.
In Wisconsin it was also illegal to make a U-turn at any unsignalized intersection that was one intersection from a signalized one.
Seen in Charlotte:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-YKLJ2PP6lT4%2FUUN_FKWxxrI%2FAAAAAAAAFyY%2F9NTUvEdn9GA%2Fs800%2FIMG_1219.JPG&hash=16b971b8c5f9f71ee7c308f78eaea104c29ed657)
Anthem, Arizona (in the Phoenix area) will have one activated this month:
http://www.mcdot.maricopa.gov/news/2013/gavilan-peak-pkwy-signal.htm
Managed to get a picture of the flashing yellow U-Turn signals on SB WI 100:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.com%2Fa%2Fimg854%2F2195%2F24q2.jpg&hash=a42832fa33ee16dbb18c8b197bb9705fbfcf8a53)
The sign on the far side of the intersection reads "U-Turn yield to oncoming traffic;" I would have expected "U-Turn yield on flashing yellow arrow."
Uturn lenses have been around since the 70s or earlier. The oldest one I've seen/heard of is this,
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi592.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ftt1%2FDigitalMCO%2FU-Turn%2520Signal%2Fth_IMG_0920.jpg&hash=2ce7e2884b2db4eb03d5c8d8b7b007161915c90f) (http://s592.photobucket.com/albums/tt1/DigitalMCO/U-Turn%20Signal/IMG_0920.jpg) (not my picture)
a prototype signal used at a Winnipeg mall intersection in the 70s.
Currently, there are many varieties of u-turn arrows still in use, because the MUTCD did not make a standard arrow until 2009.
http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part4/fig4d_01_longdesc.htm
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In the US, Diaglight is the only company I know of that makes (MUTCD standard) uturn signal lenses.
http://www.dialight.com/Assets/Brochures_And_Catalogs/Signaling/MDTMUTM001.pdf
U turn arrows signals are a rare find in the US. They are more common overseas.
Some examples:Ocean City, MD. Doghouse styles. These lenses are non-MUTCD-compliant LED lenses. This is my video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpQtee6mg1M&list=PLBLwBo-2_YrXMa2TbTc5FQdPd7JXFOlHR&index=1
Las Vegas:
3-section protected left signal. These are MUTCD standard LED lenses.
https://www.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=36.13041,-115.165947&spn=0.002184,0.00284&t=h&z=19&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=36.130523,-115.165867&panoid=OIqR965JQX1HBN2cpwguaw&cbp=12,13.93,,2,-4.13
5-section (inline & doghouse). These are MUTCD standard LED lenses.
https://www.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=36.108087,-115.183488&spn=0.002197,0.00284&t=h&z=19&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=36.108084,-115.183382&panoid=FIhVsRhU0QQQVk-NI7vQjA&cbp=12,270.16,,1,-2.53
Here's a brand new U-Turn signal along Naamans Road (DE 92) in northern Delaware...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm6.staticflickr.com%2F5350%2F9473797287_b6deecf149_z.jpg&hash=89718fff4df2737cf3f222e691b70909692274fe)
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First one I've seen in person!
Are there two U-turn lanes, or was the second signal just added for the sake of redundancy?
It's merely a redundant signal. It's standard DELDot practice to use a redundant signal for a single lane left turn or U turn bay. Personally, I like the idea.
I like the idea of a redundant signal that's far enough to one side to be visible if you're stuck behind a big truck or SUV or other vehicle that prevents you from seeing the light–especially if the driver of said vehicle is a member of the breed of jerks who fiddle with electronic devices instead of watching the light.
Quote from: Ian on August 10, 2013, 07:27:40 PM
Here's a brand new U-Turn signal along Naamans Road (DE 92) in northern Delaware...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.staticflickr.com%2F3781%2F9473797139_6bdb663781_z.jpg&hash=1e6bea32a29fa3c4094251c73397bf211f812412)
First one I've seen in person!
The right green U-turn arrow is slightly crooked.
Since DE doesn't normally place traffic lights on side poles, I'm fine with the redundancy above the lane. If one was in this lane, the 2 signal heads would look more normal. In this pic you can't see the lane itself, making the lights look like they hover over two lanes.
Quote from: Revive 755 on August 03, 2013, 11:00:44 PM
Managed to get a picture of the flashing yellow U-Turn signals on SB WI 100:
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The sign on the far side of the intersection reads "U-Turn yield to oncoming traffic;" I would have expected "U-Turn yield on flashing yellow arrow."
That's a first for me.
Nice find.
There are U-turn yellow and green aspects at the signal on eastbound Md. 198 (Sandy Spring Road) at McKnew Road in Burtonsville, Montgomery County (GSV here (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=burtonsville+md&ll=39.106245,-76.918867&spn=0.004654,0.009645&hnear=Burtonsville,+Montgomery,+Maryland&gl=us&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=39.10631,-76.919092&panoid=wT25z9R4TaWkC7U8_VhSNw&cbp=12,90.25,,1,-4.43), but the U Turn signals are not visible).
Side road signage for a U-turn signal. This is from SR 655 at VA 10 in Chesterfield.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1097653_10201707185742649_1037606422_o.jpg)
Edit: actually including the image would help...
I kind of like that sign Takumi posted because, while every driver is supposed to know you have to yield when turning on red because you have a red light, many (perhaps most) drivers think they're entitled to turn on red. I see a lot of that at a particular intersection in Alexandria where there's a high volume of U-turns due to a mid-block McDonald's. People making the U-turn on the green arrow are supposed to have the right of way, but a lot of them seem to think they should yield to the right-on-red crowd, which in turn just holds up everyone behind the U-turners who are trying to turn left.
I was so astonished when I saw a right-turner actually yield (not at the same intersection with the McDonald's, BTW) that I saved the video. In this case there's a community center with a swimming pool and tennis courts out of the picture to the right and the SUV driver was most likely going there, though it would have been easier for her just to turn left and then turn left again behind where my car was stopped. (Click to play video. The yielder is the black BMW that appears to my right.) The funny thing is, the lady making the U-turn tried to wave him through, but he did the right thing and got out of the way.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi31.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fc378%2F1995hoo%2FDashcam%2520videos%2Fth_Guygoingrightonredyields_zps9f36e42e.jpg&hash=9a37f7f142a97b8be3761933109897adc686ba35) (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/1995hoo/Dashcam%20videos/Guygoingrightonredyields_zps9f36e42e.mp4)
Saw my first u-turn signal in Florida today on US 19 north at Seville Boulevard (Pinellas County). This set of signals is temporary in nature due to the project to upgrade US 19 to a freeway.
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Click the photo for the full view.
Dusting off this thread . . .
Going through the August Letting plan sets, it appears Illinois may get its first U-Turn arrows on US 14 between Crystal Lake and Woodstock. Certainly the first time I've seen them used in a five section tower.
http://eplan.dot.il.gov/desenv/080114/62268-047/PLANS/11x17-080114-66268-047-688-448.pdf (http://eplan.dot.il.gov/desenv/080114/62268-047/PLANS/11x17-080114-66268-047-688-448.pdf)
Though for some reason, in an adjacent project on US 14, standard left turn arrows are being used instead of U-Turn arrows.
http://eplan.dot.il.gov/desenv/080114/62517-048/PLANS/11x17-080114-62517-048-450-297.pdf (http://eplan.dot.il.gov/desenv/080114/62517-048/PLANS/11x17-080114-62517-048-450-297.pdf)
http://eplan.dot.il.gov/desenv/080114/62517-048/PLANS/11x17-080114-62517-048-450-298.pdf (http://eplan.dot.il.gov/desenv/080114/62517-048/PLANS/11x17-080114-62517-048-450-298.pdf)
NY 33 has a few in front of the Buffalo airport. Here's one of them as an example: http://goo.gl/maps/wf1Vl
There's a few near Frederickson, WA. The signal below is hung via wire, and (this (http://goo.gl/z2AKQv)) one is attached to a gantry, just a few miles away:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F8C9bwg5.png&hash=bda88047161cd92f9fd14f977e42b252a4193c64)
Here's a doghouse variation of one in Ocean City, MD, on MD 528 at 33rd St.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FVhPspQ9.png&hash=f88539990500fee707ca88b7d8b1428ea96510c7)
I don't have a picture of it in action, so this screen grab will have to do.
There are 7 intersections with u-turn signals on Coastal Highway in Ocean City... all of them have the double doghouses. There is also a nearby intersection in Berlin with double 3-sections.
I have closeup/in-action shots of 4 of the intersections. The rest I have pictures of that I took from the car.
I'll post them with more info later
Today I was in the Fairfield & Hamilton OH area on the SR 4 bypass. It's been ages since I'd been that way, I didn't know Ohio was using u-turn signals yet there they were, at Symmes Rd and Hamilton Mason Rd (I think).
I'd also never noticed before that was signed SR 4B, so hurray for my perception skills.
US 50 and MD 589 near Ocean Pines:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FhY5rUvA.png&hash=a9495f087271edc25753bf7fbe339b181dfb48fb)
John Young Parkway SB at Millenia Boulevard in Orlando, FL has one.
Some of the Michigan Lefts on US 31 from Holland to Grand Haven use them instead of just installing a left turn signal at the intersection proper. I guess because the Michigan lefts handle two left turn movements it is still more practical to use this type of added signal.
Found one in Chicagoland on EB US 12 at Honey Lake Road (Lake Zurich)
Streetview (https://www.google.com/maps?q=Lake+Zurich,+IL&hl=en&ll=42.197549,-88.111178&spn=0.00161,0.002733&sll=42.197549,-88.111179&sspn=0.000809,0.001878&oq=lake+z&t=m&hnear=Lake+Zurich,+Lake+County,+Illinois&z=19&layer=c&cbll=42.197621,-88.111201&panoid=dxhHezr2Yvf97E9TzXtRng&cbp=12,165.7,,3,-8.61)
(Edited to fix typo)
Quote from: Revive 755 on September 27, 2014, 09:16:31 PM
Found in in Chicagoland on EB US 12 at Honey Lake Road (Lake Zurich)
Streetview (https://www.google.com/maps?q=Lake+Zurich,+IL&hl=en&ll=42.197549,-88.111178&spn=0.00161,0.002733&sll=42.197549,-88.111179&sspn=0.000809,0.001878&oq=lake+z&t=m&hnear=Lake+Zurich,+Lake+County,+Illinois&z=19&layer=c&cbll=42.197621,-88.111201&panoid=dxhHezr2Yvf97E9TzXtRng&cbp=12,165.7,,3,-8.61)
It's interesting how the secondary signal is on the other side of the opposing roadway, instead of on the nearside mast.
Quote from: kj3400 on September 27, 2014, 09:23:01 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on September 27, 2014, 09:16:31 PM
Found in in Chicagoland on EB US 12 at Honey Lake Road (Lake Zurich)
Streetview (https://www.google.com/maps?q=Lake+Zurich,+IL&hl=en&ll=42.197549,-88.111178&spn=0.00161,0.002733&sll=42.197549,-88.111179&sspn=0.000809,0.001878&oq=lake+z&t=m&hnear=Lake+Zurich,+Lake+County,+Illinois&z=19&layer=c&cbll=42.197621,-88.111201&panoid=dxhHezr2Yvf97E9TzXtRng&cbp=12,165.7,,3,-8.61)
It's interesting how the secondary signal is on the other side of the opposing roadway, instead of on the nearside mast.
Common setup in Illinois.
Quote from: kj3400 on September 27, 2014, 09:23:01 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on September 27, 2014, 09:16:31 PM
Found in in Chicagoland on EB US 12 at Honey Lake Road (Lake Zurich)
Streetview (https://www.google.com/maps?q=Lake+Zurich,+IL&hl=en&ll=42.197549,-88.111178&spn=0.00161,0.002733&sll=42.197549,-88.111179&sspn=0.000809,0.001878&oq=lake+z&t=m&hnear=Lake+Zurich,+Lake+County,+Illinois&z=19&layer=c&cbll=42.197621,-88.111201&panoid=dxhHezr2Yvf97E9TzXtRng&cbp=12,165.7,,3,-8.61)
It's interesting how the secondary signal is on the other side of the opposing roadway, instead of on the nearside mast.
I'm more surprised that the secondary signal is on a mast arm, for that scenario. A side mount would have been fine...but maybe the mast was necessary for the opposing through's secondary signal, and the u-turn secondary was added as a bonus?
Quote from: roadfro on September 29, 2014, 03:20:17 PM
Quote from: kj3400 on September 27, 2014, 09:23:01 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on September 27, 2014, 09:16:31 PM
Found in in Chicagoland on EB US 12 at Honey Lake Road (Lake Zurich)
Streetview (https://www.google.com/maps?q=Lake+Zurich,+IL&hl=en&ll=42.197549,-88.111178&spn=0.00161,0.002733&sll=42.197549,-88.111179&sspn=0.000809,0.001878&oq=lake+z&t=m&hnear=Lake+Zurich,+Lake+County,+Illinois&z=19&layer=c&cbll=42.197621,-88.111201&panoid=dxhHezr2Yvf97E9TzXtRng&cbp=12,165.7,,3,-8.61)
It's interesting how the secondary signal is on the other side of the opposing roadway, instead of on the nearside mast.
I'm more surprised that the secondary signal is on a mast arm, for that scenario. A side mount would have been fine...but maybe the mast was necessary for the opposing through's secondary signal, and the u-turn secondary was added as a bonus?
Nope. It's the other way around. This is a common setup in Illinois for left turn signals (both protected only and five light towers) in Chicagoland.
Examples:
IL-59 & Caton Farm, Joliet (https://www.google.com/maps?ll=41.564953,-88.200277&spn=0.004784,0.010568&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=41.564953,-88.200277&panoid=JeUU2o0DWgoZH7Br_2Wwpg&cbp=12,348.48,,0,-0.82)
IL-59 & Theodore, Joliet (https://www.google.com/maps?ll=41.550405,-88.199699&spn=0.004817,0.010568&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=41.550405,-88.199699&panoid=ob5-0qDc28axZWOxylU3nA&cbp=12,16.67,,0,1.28)
IL-53 & Normantown, Romeoville (https://www.google.com/maps?ll=41.654381,-88.080304&spn=0.003401,0.005284&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=41.654381,-88.080304&panoid=J0vZw0xKdsAPsrBLzdpu6w&cbp=12,356.09,,0,-1.1)
IL-53 & Boughton, Bolingbrook (https://www.google.com/maps?ll=41.710726,-88.069003&spn=0.002403,0.005284&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=41.71066,-88.069245&panoid=mvzlZfUglLrVmMZN77hz-w&cbp=12,75.08,,0,3.2)
IDOT specifies a minimum of three signals for the through movement and two signals per turning movement. For example, if a protected left is used, there will be five signals minimum for that direction of traffic - two for the left turn and three for the through/right turn. If a permitted left (tower - never doghouse) is used, there will be a minimum of three signals for that direction of traffic - two towers and one three light signal.
Quote from: Brandon on September 29, 2014, 03:52:05 PM
IDOT specifies a minimum of three signals for the through movement and two signals per turning movement. For example, if a protected left is used, there will be five signals minimum for that direction of traffic - two for the left turn and three for the through/right turn. If a permitted left (tower - never doghouse) is used, there will be a minimum of three signals for that direction of traffic - two towers and one three light signal.
I'm just surprised that these are all on mast arms overhead...admittedly, my surprise may just come from the majority of experience in Nevada, where supplemental signals are not mounted in this way.
IDOT can meet these minimum requirements using side mount signals for the supplemental faces. Mast arms add expense to signal installation.
Quote from: DaBigE on January 13, 2013, 12:00:52 AM
So I was coming back from a trip to Mayfair today, and couldn't believe my eyes. As part of the Mayfair Rd reconstruction (WIS 100), WisDOT has installed a U-Turn signal. :-o With how long it took Wisconsin to legalize U-turns at signalized intersections, I thought we'd be one of the last to install such a feature. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get a photo, nor are any Google images recent enough to show this installation. IIRC, this was the intersection with the U-turn signal installation: http://goo.gl/maps/aepbp (http://goo.gl/maps/aepbp). Surprisingly, this new tool is nowhere to be found on the WisDOT website.
Anyone noticed any other new U-Turn signal installations (since its inclusion in the 2009 MUTCD)?
I found the one mentioned: (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181206/6225bcd6af58cd416e95b61309e4ed8d.jpg)
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There are three ThrU-Turn intersections in Utah, and they all have U-turn arrows at each of the three U-turn points:
State St and 12300 South, Draper (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5268292,-111.8895159,654m/data=!3m1!1e3)
5400 South and 4015 West, Kearns (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6529241,-111.987816,653m/data=!3m1!1e3)
Hill Field Rd and Main St, Layton (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0736721,-111.9797002,648m/data=!3m1!1e3)
The U-turn arrow is also used on roads with extensive medians, such as US 89 in eastern Davis County (https://goo.gl/maps/F6SySP1HK6R2).
I've only seen 2 U turn signals, all on RTE 9:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181206/6125065b25c23953c742c432f82e0273.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181206/1912b6efece017785019f9abcd573999.jpg)
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There are two U-turn signals near where I live, both posted subsequent to my last post in this thread. One is at the corner of WB/SB Telegraph Road and Van Dorn Street in Fairfax County and the other is close by at EB/NB Telegraph and South Kings Highway. Both look like what jakeroot posted in reply #48, complete with "U-turn Only" sign, except the signals have backplates per VDOT standard practice.
^ Did they finally widen Telegraph between Van Dorn and Kings? Only reason I can think of how/why they'd put a U-turn signal there.
Quote from: US 89 on December 05, 2018, 10:27:35 PM
There are three ThrU-Turn intersections in Utah, and they all have U-turn arrows at each of the three U-turn points:
I'm sure I've said this before, but although I find signal placement in Utah (except at ramp meters) to be rather unimpressive, they get an A for creativity. Continuous Flow intersections, early DDI adopters, ThrU-turns, 65 mph urban limits...I'm sure I could list more.
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 06, 2018, 07:28:21 AM
There are two U-turn signals near where I live, both posted subsequent to my last post in this thread. One is at the corner of WB/SB Telegraph Road and Van Dorn Street in Fairfax County and the other is close by at EB/NB Telegraph and South Kings Highway. Both look like what jakeroot posted in reply #48, complete with "U-turn Only" sign, except the signals have backplates per VDOT standard practice.
The one in reply 48 was actually replaced by this (which I've posted in other threads before), which uses a black cover like some other arrow signals, but uses an odd arrow shape. Compare to photo #2:
(https://i.imgur.com/tM56Ntf.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QMcxY9m.jpg)
There's also this 4-section FYA u-turn signal. Was unusual when it was put in three years ago, but is no longer that odd:
(https://i.imgur.com/hpzVlGl.png)
Quote from: jakeroot on December 06, 2018, 04:52:44 PM
I'm sure I've said this before, but although I find signal placement in Utah (except at ramp meters) to be rather unimpressive, they get an A for creativity. Continuous Flow intersections, early DDI adopters, ThrU-turns, 65 mph urban limits...I'm sure I could list more.
Try 70 mph on urban interstates. All the way from Payson to Brigham City, I-15 maintains a 70 mph limit.
I'm not sure how much this counts for creativity, but there are also almost 40 SPUIs in operation in the state today.
Quote from: US 89 on December 06, 2018, 04:57:28 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on December 06, 2018, 04:52:44 PM
I'm sure I've said this before, but although I find signal placement in Utah (except at ramp meters) to be rather unimpressive, they get an A for creativity. Continuous Flow intersections, early DDI adopters, ThrU-turns, 65 mph urban limits...I'm sure I could list more.
Try 70 mph on urban interstates. All the way from Payson to Brigham City, I-15 maintains a 70 mph limit.
I'm not sure how much this counts for creativity, but there are also almost 40 SPUIs in operation in the state today.
I could file both under "I could list more"! Only a handful of SPUIs in WA. One just opened near Marysville (big deal for us). Not interesting to you at this point, I'm sure. :-D
Did not know 70 was used in urban areas of UT. Has that changed in the last few years? When I was there in 2014, I swear the limits were 65.
I wish that more places used SPUIs, they seem so easy and smart!
Quote from: Amtrakprod on December 06, 2018, 05:25:45 PM
I wish that more places used SPUIs, they seem so easy and smart!
I agree, they are a nice design, especially the ones that permit re-entry (I-17 in Phoenix has a bunch). My primary qualm is that they rarely support permissive left turns. Most people probably don't care about this aspect of them, but I simply hate the idea of "green for ghosts". Since SPUI's run in three-phase modes, they can also be harder to time as part of a corridor.
Quote from: jakeroot on December 06, 2018, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: US 89 on December 06, 2018, 04:57:28 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on December 06, 2018, 04:52:44 PM
I'm sure I've said this before, but although I find signal placement in Utah (except at ramp meters) to be rather unimpressive, they get an A for creativity. Continuous Flow intersections, early DDI adopters, ThrU-turns, 65 mph urban limits...I'm sure I could list more.
Try 70 mph on urban interstates. All the way from Payson to Brigham City, I-15 maintains a 70 mph limit.
I'm not sure how much this counts for creativity, but there are also almost 40 SPUIs in operation in the state today.
I could file both under "I could list more"! Only a handful of SPUIs in WA. One just opened near Marysville (big deal for us). Not interesting to you at this point, I'm sure. :-D
Did not know 70 was used in urban areas of UT. Has that changed in the last few years? When I was there in 2014, I swear the limits were 65.
The 70 mph urban limits were first put up in December 2014. Actually, the only urban interstates in Utah that still have a 65 limit are I-80 and I-215 near the Parley's Canyon interchange, mostly because that interchange is outdated and has several tight curves.
The somewhat-frustrating part is that there's a legislative cap of 65 mph on anything that isn't an interstate. This means SR-201, which is essentially up to interstate standards on the freeway portion, will stay at 65mph because it doesn't have a pretty shield. From my experience, US 6/191 near Price, US 40/189 north of Heber, and SR-7 would also greatly benefit from a 70 mph limit.
Quote from: US 89 on December 06, 2018, 05:36:32 PM
The 70 mph urban limits were first put up in December 2014. Actually, the only urban interstates in Utah that still have a 65 limit are I-80 and I-215 near the Parley's Canyon interchange, mostly because that interchange is outdated and has several tight curves.
The somewhat-frustrating part is that there's a legislative cap of 65 mph on anything that isn't an interstate. This means SR-201, which is essentially up to interstate standards on the freeway portion, will stay at 65mph because it doesn't have a pretty shield. From my experience, US 6/191 near Price, US 40/189 north of Heber, and SR-7 would also greatly benefit from a 70 mph limit.
Ahh, I was there in March 2014. Guess that explains it!
That is a rather strange rule. Doesn't seem to take into account the idea of building non-interstates to interstate standard. In WA, interstates are not posted below 60 unless part of a variable speed system, and typically neither are state route freeways. Pretty much everything is posted at 60, and everything rural is 70 (75 eventually).
Quote from: froggie on December 06, 2018, 08:18:30 AM
^ Did they finally widen Telegraph between Van Dorn and Kings? Only reason I can think of how/why they'd put a U-turn signal there.
Yes, a couple of years ago, though I've lost track of when it was because I go through there so often. I believe the U-turn lanes exist primarily to provide access to and from Sheridonna Lane, as there's no other real reason for them. I've never driven down that street because it doesn't go anywhere and, as far as I know, it's not fully paved, so I don't know how much traffic it actually gets.
Here's a Street View link to the U-turn light at Van Dorn. Hopefully it won't be pointed at the sky; if it is, pan down. For some reason the Google Maps iPad app has been returning Street View links pointed at the sky.
https://goo.gl/maps/f2FCJn7berL2
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 06, 2018, 09:46:50 PM
Here's a Street View link to the U-turn light at Van Dorn. Hopefully it won't be pointed at the sky; if it is, pan down. For some reason the Google Maps iPad app has been returning Street View links pointed at the sky.
It was pointed at the ground for me. I try to never link to GMaps from mobile devices. It always creates links that look either straight up or straight down.
Quote from: myosh_tino on January 13, 2013, 08:17:52 PM
Quote from: Mark68 on January 13, 2013, 05:51:38 PM
Quote from: myosh_tino on January 13, 2013, 01:06:21 AM
Here's another one in Cupertino, CA on eastbound Stevens Creek Blvd at Torre Avenue.
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=37.322982,-122.027552&spn=0.000455,0.000453&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=37.322918,-122.027591&panoid=Q6-P6wyC5K8VlspGR7NK3A&cbp=12,88.25,,2,1.83
I like how that is reinforced. Not just by the "U-Turn Only" sign, but the signal itself. Do the yellow and green phases look like that, too?
Yep. This signal was installed a few years ago well before the 2009 MUTCD came out.
We have had these in California for quite a while, usually at a place where the only permitted turn (sometimes only permitted actions) was a U-turn. If I remember right, it goes red ball, green U-turn arrow, yellow U-turn arrow. But, I haven't seen one of these in a year or two, so my recollection may be fuzzy (or I may not have hung around for the yellow).
I've only seen two of these in person:
Northbound US 45/LaGrange Road at 171st Street, Tinley Park, IL (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5794895,-87.8520306,3a,17.9y,306.99h,96.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2dt9DHyCWTVrdWarfx5A8Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Northbound US 27 at Colerain Avenue, Cincinnati, OH (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1619611,-84.5514589,3a,45.1y,336.61h,100.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sA9pQlo6Zcx81GQk-TOLSnQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Quote from: jakeroot on December 06, 2018, 07:25:52 PM
Quote from: US 89 on December 06, 2018, 05:36:32 PM
The 70 mph urban limits were first put up in December 2014. Actually, the only urban interstates in Utah that still have a 65 limit are I-80 and I-215 near the Parley's Canyon interchange, mostly because that interchange is outdated and has several tight curves.
The somewhat-frustrating part is that there's a legislative cap of 65 mph on anything that isn't an interstate. This means SR-201, which is essentially up to interstate standards on the freeway portion, will stay at 65mph because it doesn't have a pretty shield. From my experience, US 6/191 near Price, US 40/189 north of Heber, and SR-7 would also greatly benefit from a 70 mph limit.
Ahh, I was there in March 2014. Guess that explains it!
That is a rather strange rule. Doesn't seem to take into account the idea of building non-interstates to interstate standard. In WA, interstates are not posted below 60 unless part of a variable speed system, and typically neither are state route freeways. Pretty much everything is posted at 60, and everything rural is 70 (75 eventually).
Oregon had (and to a lesser extent, still has) that problem. Except it's 55 instead of 65. So you have nice freeways like OR-22 east of Salem and US-26 west of Portland that are stuck at 55 MPH because they don't have the pretty blue shield. Those have always been my biggest pet peeve of speed limits in OR, especially since enforcement seems to be higher on those than on something like I-5. Traffic flow on those are generally 65-70. The good news is that many of the highways in the state had their speed limits legislatively changed to 65 or 70 in Central and Eastern OR, so it's no longer a huge issue (just a smaller issue such as the above examples).
I believe Idaho is similar, except that it's now allowed to be up to 70 on non-interstates, which I think is probably adequate. The only significant stretches of non-interstate freeway are US-95 North of CDA and US-20 East of Idaho Falls, and both seem okay at 70. US-20 maybe could be raised but 95 doesn't need a raise (especially since speed limits in Northern Idaho more closely resemble WA limits, with much of I-90 at 70 MPH (there's some 75, but no 80) and many of the 2 laners at 60 MPH; plus the US-95 freeway segment isn't that long). But that was only recently changed, it used to be a max of 65 (I think it went up to 70 when the interstates went up to 80).
I don't see why states can't just set a maximum speed limit, and then apply that limit to any road based on its design, not based on the color of its shield (I mean, many states do that, eg. California or Washington, but clearly there are lots that don't, and I usually have lived in those).
Quote from: jakeroot on December 07, 2018, 01:46:10 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 06, 2018, 09:46:50 PM
Here's a Street View link to the U-turn light at Van Dorn. Hopefully it won't be pointed at the sky; if it is, pan down. For some reason the Google Maps iPad app has been returning Street View links pointed at the sky.
It was pointed at the ground for me. I try to never link to GMaps from mobile devices. It always creates links that look either straight up or straight down.
Yeah, I seldom access the forum from my PC (this post is an exception), so c'est la vie.
Quote from: Super Mateo on December 07, 2018, 10:39:42 AM
I've only seen two of these in person:
Northbound US 45/LaGrange Road at 171st Street, Tinley Park, IL (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5794895,-87.8520306,3a,17.9y,306.99h,96.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2dt9DHyCWTVrdWarfx5A8Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Northbound US 27 at Colerain Avenue, Cincinnati, OH (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1619611,-84.5514589,3a,45.1y,336.61h,100.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sA9pQlo6Zcx81GQk-TOLSnQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
There's another at Plainfield Rd (US-30) and West Frontage Rd (https://goo.gl/maps/LNyVNG4xphC2) in Plainfield/Joliet.