There are many things, practices, etc. relating to roads that are out there that are quite common. There are also things that are quite rare or even unique in this vast network of asphalt as well.
How about combining both of these. See if you come up with a rare instance used with a common practice.
I have one relating to a trumpet interchange on a toll road that requires you to use the toll booth twice within the interchange. That is in Woodbury, NY on I-87/ NYS Thruway having EB to NB motorists between US 6 & NY 17 pay a cash toll and then enter the highway immediately to grab a ticket for a closed ticket system. It is the rare case where two toll methods are used at the same interchange as well as a discount applied to a posted rate to allow for previous payment of a toll.
I am sure you can think of something and I am sure have a little fun bragging about another unusual practice that is either rare or one of its kind that is right under everyone's noses.
highways and railroads cross rivers pretty frequently, but here is the only instance I know of the two crossing each other, namely that the road and the railroad both end up on the other side of the river relative to where they started.
http://goo.gl/maps/MGX72
Feather River, on CA-70
Other than the Panamerican Highway, are there cases of mileage signs for cities it's impossible to drive to? Such as the distance to Alaska from Patagonia, when there is no road between the two?
Quote from: kphoger on January 30, 2013, 12:41:28 PM
Other than the Panamerican Highway, are there cases of mileage signs for cities it's impossible to drive to? Such as the distance to Alaska from Patagonia, when there is no road between the two?
North Korea's Unification Highway shows the distance to Seoul, which cannot actually be accessed due to the closed border.
I imagine that situation exists in quite a few places around the world. But the difference is that there does actually exist a road between the two–it's just closed. Between Colombia and Panamá, there is no road.
I believe, as it was pointed out in another necro thread that died because of one instance, that the Battery Park Underpass and the Brooklyn- Battery Tunnel cross each other underground. Very common among roads and railroads, or railroads with other railroads, but this is only one such instance of two road tunnels that crisscross each other.
A rarity, though, is the tunnel under the front of the Philadelphia Art Museum. It is one of the most narrow tunnels around and only is one lane and one way. Looking at it on GSV even gives one clostraphobia even if tight spaces are something that someone is normally not affected by.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 30, 2013, 12:29:34 PM
highways and railroads cross rivers pretty frequently, but here is the only instance I know of the two crossing each other, namely that the road and the railroad both end up on the other side of the river relative to where they started.
http://goo.gl/maps/MGX72
Feather River, on CA-70
Topologically similar, if you consider MA 2 as the crossing road:
http://goo.gl/maps/NO2cL
Quote from: empirestate on January 30, 2013, 01:35:26 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 30, 2013, 12:29:34 PM
highways and railroads cross rivers pretty frequently, but here is the only instance I know of the two crossing each other, namely that the road and the railroad both end up on the other side of the river relative to where they started.
http://goo.gl/maps/MGX72
Feather River, on CA-70
Topologically similar, if you consider MA 2 as the crossing road:
http://goo.gl/maps/NO2cL
If you are referring to the Hoosack or Hoosick Tunnel and MA 2 far above it, yeah those are those rare things in that category. I-78 & US 22 with NS Railway in Bethlehem Township, NJ is another one. These two are more rare because you have the two running the same general direction, as like at Gallitizin, PA near Horseshoe Curve the street above and the old Pennsy below are two different directions. Many cases of train tracks in tunnels perpendicular of roads on the surface.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 30, 2013, 01:46:32 PM
Quote from: empirestate on January 30, 2013, 01:35:26 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 30, 2013, 12:29:34 PM
highways and railroads cross rivers pretty frequently, but here is the only instance I know of the two crossing each other, namely that the road and the railroad both end up on the other side of the river relative to where they started.
http://goo.gl/maps/MGX72
Feather River, on CA-70
Topologically similar, if you consider MA 2 as the crossing road:
http://goo.gl/maps/NO2cL
If you are referring to the Hoosack or Hoosick Tunnel and MA 2 far above it, yeah those are those rare things in that category.
I wasn't...the link should take you to the Charles River in Boston/Cambridge.
Quote from: empirestate on January 30, 2013, 04:16:59 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 30, 2013, 01:46:32 PM
Quote from: empirestate on January 30, 2013, 01:35:26 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 30, 2013, 12:29:34 PM
highways and railroads cross rivers pretty frequently, but here is the only instance I know of the two crossing each other, namely that the road and the railroad both end up on the other side of the river relative to where they started.
http://goo.gl/maps/MGX72
Feather River, on CA-70
Topologically similar, if you consider MA 2 as the crossing road:
http://goo.gl/maps/NO2cL
If you are referring to the Hoosack or Hoosick Tunnel and MA 2 far above it, yeah those are those rare things in that category.
I wasn't...the link should take you to the Charles River in Boston/Cambridge.
Okay, I see the crossing.
Quote from: empirestate on January 30, 2013, 01:35:26 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 30, 2013, 12:29:34 PM
highways and railroads cross rivers pretty frequently, but here is the only instance I know of the two crossing each other, namely that the road and the railroad both end up on the other side of the river relative to where they started.
http://goo.gl/maps/MGX72
Feather River, on CA-70
Topologically similar, if you consider MA 2 as the crossing road:
http://goo.gl/maps/NO2cL
Beat me to it, I only walked around that area for 5 years.
Also in that area, you often have toll interchanges around mainline plazas (Woodbury was mentioned in Post #1, then there's Triboro Bridge, etc.), but only in Massachusetts are three exit numbers assigned to a single interchange! (18, 19, and 20 are three toll plazas for the Allston/Brighton/Cambridge exit)
Actually, the Allston Brighton (or the 'AB' as locals often call it) is Exit 18 eastbound, and Exits 19-20 westbound, even though both off-ramps connect to the same place (Western Ave at Storrow Drive) I've heard rumors to the effect that the numbering was originally done this way by the Turnpike Authority for accounting reasons - because of the multiple toll plazas at this location, but (so far) I've been unable to confirm or deny this.
I've been told that this "quirk" will be corrected to a single number for the whole interchange (any guesses as to which of the three numbers they'll keep) when the guide signs are replaced under the 2015 Millbury to Boston project.
Quote from: roadman on January 30, 2013, 08:39:06 PM
Actually, the Allston Brighton (or the 'AB' as locals often call it) is Exit 18 eastbound, and Exits 19-20 westbound
??
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=42.355357,-71.118407&spn=0.014461,0.033023&gl=us&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=42.355274,-71.118371&panoid=HWKL6jts3AONHgYZbm9obg&cbp=12,339.21,,0,0.91
Quote from: NE2 on January 30, 2013, 09:23:54 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 30, 2013, 08:39:06 PM
Actually, the Allston Brighton (or the 'AB' as locals often call it) is Exit 18 eastbound, and Exits 19-20 westbound
??
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=42.355357,-71.118407&spn=0.014461,0.033023&gl=us&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=42.355274,-71.118371&panoid=HWKL6jts3AONHgYZbm9obg&cbp=12,339.21,,0,0.91
It's exit 18 eastbound, 20 westbound, and 19 is the toll barrier for through traffic.
The difference presumably is that the exit 18 toll pays for your use of the Boston Extension west of the interchange, exit 20 pays for that portion east of it, and 19 covers the cost for both portions (which theoretically should equal the sum of the exit 18 and 20 tolls, but in reality only equals one of them).
Quote from: roadman on January 30, 2013, 08:39:06 PM
I've been told that this "quirk" will be corrected to a single number for the whole interchange (any guesses as to which of the three numbers they'll keep) when the guide signs are replaced under the 2015 Millbury to Boston project.
At the risk of veering this thread off-topic, any word on whether 130 (the milepost) is a likely candidate?
Driving on the right side of the road is common around the world. But Savoy Court in London is unique because it is the only street in the UK where all traffic is required to drive on the right.
Quote from: empirestate on January 30, 2013, 11:00:39 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 30, 2013, 09:23:54 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 30, 2013, 08:39:06 PM
Actually, the Allston Brighton (or the 'AB' as locals often call it) is Exit 18 eastbound, and Exits 19-20 westbound
??
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=42.355357,-71.118407&spn=0.014461,0.033023&gl=us&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=42.355274,-71.118371&panoid=HWKL6jts3AONHgYZbm9obg&cbp=12,339.21,,0,0.91
It's exit 18 eastbound, 20 westbound, and 19 is the toll barrier for through traffic.
The difference presumably is that the exit 18 toll pays for your use of the Boston Extension west of the interchange, exit 20 pays for that portion east of it, and 19 covers the cost for both portions (which theoretically should equal the sum of the exit 18 and 20 tolls, but in reality only equals one of them).
You also have the barrier at the east end of the ticket system at the I-95 interchange - eastbound, the exit is 14 and the barrier is 15, while westbound the exit is 15 and the barrier 14. This all stems from the fact that the Massachusetts Turnpike gave the barriers themselves exit numbers (I do not know of any other toll road that did this).
Quote from: deanej on January 31, 2013, 10:45:27 AM
This all stems from the fact that the Massachusetts Turnpike gave the barriers themselves exit numbers (I do not know of any other toll road that did this).
The New Jersey Turnpike still does - 1, 6, 14, 14C, 18E, and 18W are all major barriers. Looking through my 1965 Rand McNally, I also see Florida (exit 1 was the south barrier toll, and it now appears in places as exit 0X), Indiana, Ohio, Oklahoma (exit 7 is "State Line Toll Booth"), and Pennsylvania.
Quote from: Steve on January 30, 2013, 06:28:06 PM
Beat me to it, I only walked around that area for 5 years.
I had a vague recollection of it (having walked around that area for 5 years as well!), but that pair isn't as 'pretty' as the CA-70 example, because on CA-70, the two just abruptly cross the river rurally, for no other reason than what appears to be right-of-way optimizations.
for the MA-2 example, the two are 'going where they need to go'.
Quote from: roadman on January 30, 2013, 08:39:06 PM
Actually, the Allston Brighton (or the 'AB' as locals often call it)
I've called it the ABC exit, because the third control city is Cambridge. or has that changed since ~2004 when I last regularly drove that road?
Quote from: NE2 on January 31, 2013, 12:25:55 PM
Quote from: deanej on January 31, 2013, 10:45:27 AM
This all stems from the fact that the Massachusetts Turnpike gave the barriers themselves exit numbers (I do not know of any other toll road that did this).
The New Jersey Turnpike still does - 1, 6, 14, 14C, 18E, and 18W are all major barriers. Looking through my 1965 Rand McNally, I also see Florida (exit 1 was the south barrier toll, and it now appears in places as exit 0X), Indiana, Ohio, Oklahoma (exit 7 is "State Line Toll Booth"), and Pennsylvania.
Yep. The first "exit" on the Ohio Turnpike before the switch to distance-based numbers was the Westgate Toll Plaza, numbered as "Exit 1" (the Eastgate Toll Plaza was "Exit 17"). The first real exit was "Exit 2". Ditto with the Indiana Toll Road. The original Westpoint Toll Plaza was "Exit 1" mixed with an exit for US-41, and the Eastpoint Toll Plaza was "Exit 11".
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 31, 2013, 12:29:40 PM
I had a vague recollection of it (having walked around that area for 5 years as well!), but that pair isn't as 'pretty' as the CA-70 example, because on CA-70, the two just abruptly cross the river rurally, for no other reason than what appears to be right-of-way optimizations.
A similar situation (but not quite crossing at the bridges): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Bridges
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 31, 2013, 12:29:40 PM
I had a vague recollection of it (having walked around that area for 5 years as well!), but that pair isn't as 'pretty' as the CA-70 example, because on CA-70, the two just abruptly cross the river rurally, for no other reason than what appears to be right-of-way optimizations.
to expand on this - I believe the railroad was put in first, and grabbed the optimal right of way (first on one side of the river, then the other). when the highway came, the second-most-optimal available right of way was the other side of the river in each case, necessitating a bridge very close to the railroad bridge.
that is really a narrow canyon - fitting two rights of way onto the same side of the river would have been far less optimal.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 31, 2013, 01:07:08 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 31, 2013, 12:29:40 PM
I had a vague recollection of it (having walked around that area for 5 years as well!), but that pair isn't as 'pretty' as the CA-70 example, because on CA-70, the two just abruptly cross the river rurally, for no other reason than what appears to be right-of-way optimizations.
to expand on this - I believe the railroad was put in first, and grabbed the optimal right of way (first on one side of the river, then the other). when the highway came, the second-most-optimal available right of way was the other side of the river in each case, necessitating a bridge very close to the railroad bridge.
that is really a narrow canyon - fitting two rights of way onto the same side of the river would have been far less optimal.
That explanation makes a lot of sense.
Quote from: NE2 on January 31, 2013, 12:25:55 PM
Quote from: deanej on January 31, 2013, 10:45:27 AM
This all stems from the fact that the Massachusetts Turnpike gave the barriers themselves exit numbers (I do not know of any other toll road that did this).
The New Jersey Turnpike still does - 1, 6, 14, 14C, 18E, and 18W are all major barriers. Looking through my 1965 Rand McNally, I also see Florida (exit 1 was the south barrier toll, and it now appears in places as exit 0X), Indiana, Ohio, Oklahoma (exit 7 is "State Line Toll Booth"), and Pennsylvania.
I don't think they have anything as pervasive as MA. Normally those barriers would be referred to by the same number as the interchange. Many places give such barriers the same number as the next exit past it, as is the case for most PA and NJ barriers. Exit 6 in NJ is typically numbered, as the exit is the spur branching off. Ditto for 14. Don't know much about other agencies, but having a distinct number for the barrier alone strikes me as the exception. If MA did things like this, 14/15 would be 14, and 18/19/20 would be 17 (due to 14/15 being a single number).
Quote from: deanej on January 31, 2013, 06:08:23 PM
Exit 6 in NJ is typically numbered, as the exit is the spur branching off. Ditto for 14. Don't know much about other agencies, but having a distinct number for the barrier alone strikes me as the exception. If MA did things like this, 14/15 would be 14, and 18/19/20 would be 17 (due to 14/15 being a single number).
16E-17-18E is very similar to Mass's 18-19-20.
I think there's some history there as well, from what I glean in the old photos of the NJ Turnpike thread.
Yep. Originally 16 was NJ 495 (same toll booth as now), 17 was four ramps at the NJ 3 crossing (the ramp from NJ 3 east still exists), and 18 was the toll booth right at the north end.
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~212265~5500324:Shell-Map-of-Metropolitan-New-York,?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No
http://www.historicaerials.com/aerials.php?scale=5&lat=40.782&lon=-74.053&year=1954
I think the main difference between the New Jersey Turnpike and the Massachusetts Turnpike is that in New Jersey, the mainline barriers only appear at the ends -- granted that with the spurs, there's more than two ends. So you have a toll barrier with a number that doesn't exactly correspond to an actual exit*, but IMHO, you don't have a true 18-19-20 situation, since the exits on the other side of the barrier are unnumbered (or in the case of the northern end, numbered with an entirely different sequence).
*There's no Exit 14C for the Holland Tunnel. You pay the toll at barrier 14C, then you have your choice of at least two exits before you get to NJ 139. Likewise, as much as Rand McNally insists on labelling as such, 18 is not the exit number for US 46 at the northern end. As mentioned, it's the number for the barrier south of there. Street view shows US 46 as Exit 68 from one of the roadways SB, unnumbered on the other one. NB it's unnumbered as well, with 68 being the number for Challenger Road, the next exit north.
Strangely, I think Nova Scotia is guilty of giving a toll booth an exit number as well. The section of T.C.H. 104 between exits 7 and 12 is tolled - the first exit east of the toll plaza is Exit 10, and the first exit west of the plaza is Exit 8. So it's possible that Exit 9 is the toll plaza itself. Not quite the same as your examples, as the booth is several kms between 8 and 10, but figured I'd throw it out there.
Yeah, I don't think the concept of giving a toll booth a number is terribly unique. What makes Massachusetts unique is that there's a toll booth essentially in the middle of an interchange, causing them to give the two halves of the interchange separate numbers.
Old US 62 and the Burlington Northern Railroad cross Georges Creek in north central Arkansas.
http://goo.gl/maps/geDEP
Quote from: deanej on January 31, 2013, 06:08:23 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 31, 2013, 12:25:55 PM
Quote from: deanej on January 31, 2013, 10:45:27 AM
This all stems from the fact that the Massachusetts Turnpike gave the barriers themselves exit numbers (I do not know of any other toll road that did this).
The New Jersey Turnpike still does - 1, 6, 14, 14C, 18E, and 18W are all major barriers. Looking through my 1965 Rand McNally, I also see Florida (exit 1 was the south barrier toll, and it now appears in places as exit 0X), Indiana, Ohio, Oklahoma (exit 7 is "State Line Toll Booth"), and Pennsylvania.
I don't think they have anything as pervasive as MA. Normally those barriers would be referred to by the same number as the interchange. Many places give such barriers the same number as the next exit past it, as is the case for most PA and NJ barriers. Exit 6 in NJ is typically numbered, as the exit is the spur branching off. Ditto for 14. Don't know much about other agencies, but having a distinct number for the barrier alone strikes me as the exception. If MA did things like this, 14/15 would be 14, and 18/19/20 would be 17 (due to 14/15 being a single number).
What is unique (or, at the very least, a bit confunsing), is this progression going South in New Jersey on the Turnpike, then 295, then the Delaware Memorial Bridge, in about a 3 mile span:
Interchange 1 Toll Barrier (on NJ Turnpike)
Unnumbered Exit (to NJ 140/County Route 540)
Exit 1 (on I-295, to NJ 49)
Well if the NJTA ever converts to mile based exits, the Exit 1 Plaza will be given the nearest whole number mile post. Then NJ 140 would become Exit 2, and NJ 49 could stay as is Exit 1 for both highways.
Quote from: Kacie Jane on February 01, 2013, 01:09:21 PM
Yeah, I don't think the concept of giving a toll booth a number is terribly unique. What makes Massachusetts unique is that there's a toll booth essentially in the middle of an interchange, causing them to give the two halves of the interchange separate numbers.
That's the unique part about it. ISTHA (East-West Twy I-88) had toll plazas in the middle of two interchanges (Annie Glidden Rd & Dixon), Kentucky seems to have used them exclusively, and there are several on the Oklahoma Turnpikes. However, to the best of my knowledge, the exit numbers (except for ISTHA which did not have them at the time) were not split. On the other hand, the East-West Twy did have separate plaza numbers (2 at Annie Glidden Rd; 3 at Dixon) at these interchanges.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 01, 2013, 03:35:55 PM
Well if the NJTA ever converts to mile based exits, the Exit 1 Plaza will be given the nearest whole number mile post. Then NJ 140 would become Exit 2, and NJ 49 could stay as is Exit 1 for both highways.
Except that the turnpike's mileposts start at 0 at I-295 (not at the state line). So NJ 140 is at milepost 1.12, which most people would say should be Exit 1 (not that there's anything stopping you from fudging it a bit).
Quote from: Kacie Jane on February 01, 2013, 03:57:39 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 01, 2013, 03:35:55 PM
Well if the NJTA ever converts to mile based exits, the Exit 1 Plaza will be given the nearest whole number mile post. Then NJ 140 would become Exit 2, and NJ 49 could stay as is Exit 1 for both highways.
Except that the turnpike's mileposts start at 0 at I-295 (not at the state line). So NJ 140 is at milepost 1.12, which most people would say should be Exit 1 (not that there's anything stopping you from fudging it a bit).
You want to talk about fudging, look at the Garden State Parkway. Exit 123 is north of MM 124, and Exit 124 is closest to MM 125. There is a long gap between Exits 120 and 123, which really does not need to fudge, but even in Clark, NJ you have Exit 135 located at the MM 136 as well. No one really notices, and in fact if I was not stuck in traffic going to the NJ Shore, I would have never even noticed the error. Sometimes it pays to fudge to avoid the zero exit situation as many roadways do that already.
Quote from: kphoger on January 30, 2013, 12:41:28 PM
Other than the Panamerican Highway, are there cases of mileage signs for cities it's impossible to drive to? Such as the distance to Alaska from Patagonia, when there is no road between the two?
was just reading, on a motorcycle forum, about the distance from Magadan to Anadyr in Siberia. there is a sign. there isn't a road.
The New York State Thruway has a unique situation where there are two exit number 15s. You have the Woodbury Toll Plaza near Harriman (southern ticket terminus) that is actually "EXIT 15" for collection purposes, and then you have a signed Exit 15 for I-287 and NJ 17 at Suffern.
I had a dream about exit 15 and one of the mods here not wanting it known that there was an authorized vehicles only crossover in the middle of the interchange.
I had a dream where I won the lottery and bought my own interchange and did something that the politicians would do, but then I woke up. Or maybe it was Rod Sterling who took me to the Twilight Zone.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 14, 2013, 11:35:35 AM
bought my own interchange and did something that the politicians would do
give it a senseless route number and absurdly low speed limit?
Quote from: roadman65 on February 14, 2013, 10:24:52 AM
The New York State Thruway has a unique situation where there are two exit number 15s. You have the Woodbury Toll Plaza near Harriman (southern ticket terminus) that is actually "EXIT 15" for collection purposes, and then you have a signed Exit 15 for I-287 and NJ 17 at Suffern.
The Thruway Authority refers to barriers by name rather than number, so I'm not sure that it's really a case of having two 15s (especially since it's INSIDE exit 16!). They probably didn't feel the need to mark the ticket 15A since the majority of traffic is going to I-287 (in some way, shape, or form, if you count the multiplex) rather than the southern section of NY 17. The real exit 15 even has a FIVE mile advance sign heading south.
EDIT: Especially since exit 15 was on the ticket system before the barrier was moved from Spring Valley.
A uniqueness of something common...in a non-toll road category:
The NJ four-headed traffic lights, with the combo green/yellow arrow. Rarely do you see this setup outside of NJ. Likewise, rarely do you see a 5 headed signal (tower or doghouse) within NJ. Burlington County is the rare exception of an agency that generally uses those 5 headed signals.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 30, 2013, 01:31:19 PM
I believe, as it was pointed out in another necro thread that died because of one instance, that the Battery Park Underpass and the Brooklyn- Battery Tunnel cross each other underground. Very common among roads and railroads, or railroads with other railroads, but this is only one such instance of two road tunnels that crisscross each other.
A rarity, though, is the tunnel under the front of the Philadelphia Art Museum. It is one of the most narrow tunnels around and only is one lane and one way. Looking at it on GSV even gives one clostraphobia even if tight spaces are something that someone is normally not affected by.
I know of some very narrow one lane tunnels that were built underneath railroad tracks.
Here's one on Polk 25 in Arkansas, near Hatfield and Cove. It is rather narrow but I've seen pictures of some that were narrower, so narrow that I'd be afraid to take a regular car through:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbridgehunter.com%2Fphotos%2F10%2F08%2F100832-M.jpg&hash=9abecd9ffe2455c4b9431e5b5a8e2cda52734ceb)
Quote from: NE2 on January 31, 2013, 12:25:55 PM
Quote from: deanej on January 31, 2013, 10:45:27 AM
This all stems from the fact that the Massachusetts Turnpike gave the barriers themselves exit numbers (I do not know of any other toll road that did this).
The New Jersey Turnpike still does - 1, 6, 14, 14C, 18E, and 18W are all major barriers. Looking through my 1965 Rand McNally, I also see Florida (exit 1 was the south barrier toll, and it now appears in places as exit 0X), Indiana, Ohio, Oklahoma (exit 7 is "State Line Toll Booth"), and Pennsylvania.
On which Oklahoma turnpike? Will Rogers?
Quote from: empirestate on January 30, 2013, 11:00:39 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 30, 2013, 09:23:54 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 30, 2013, 08:39:06 PM
Actually, the Allston Brighton (or the 'AB' as locals often call it) is Exit 18 eastbound, and Exits 19-20 westbound
??
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=42.355357,-71.118407&spn=0.014461,0.033023&gl=us&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=42.355274,-71.118371&panoid=HWKL6jts3AONHgYZbm9obg&cbp=12,339.21,,0,0.91
It's exit 18 eastbound, 20 westbound, and 19 is the toll barrier for through traffic.
Appreciate the clarification - thanks.
Quote from: Kacie Jane on January 30, 2013, 11:33:29 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 30, 2013, 08:39:06 PM
I've been told that this "quirk" will be corrected to a single number for the whole interchange (any guesses as to which of the three numbers they'll keep) when the guide signs are replaced under the 2015 Millbury to Boston project.
At the risk of veering this thread off-topic, any word on whether 130 (the milepost) is a likely candidate?
It is my understanding that the exit tabs on the pending MassPike sign replacement work (as with all other subsequent MassDOT freeway sign projects) will be designed to accommodate the future mileage-based numbers, but that they will be fabricated with the current sequential numbers for now.
Quote from: Stalin on February 26, 2013, 03:11:18 PM
Quote from: NE2 on January 31, 2013, 12:25:55 PM
The New Jersey Turnpike still does - 1, 6, 14, 14C, 18E, and 18W are all major barriers. Looking through my 1965 Rand McNally, I also see Florida (exit 1 was the south barrier toll, and it now appears in places as exit 0X), Indiana, Ohio, Oklahoma (exit 7 is "State Line Toll Booth"), and Pennsylvania.
On which Oklahoma turnpike? Will Rogers?
The only one with a state line toll booth.
There aren't any toll booths at any state lines in Oklahoma.
There used to be: http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=36.99368,-94.62254&z=15&t=T
Three facts about OK toll roads.
1.) They built some toll barriers under an overpass. It helps keep the toll collector in the shade.
2.) They built many of these same barriers at the bottom of a long grade, causing truck drivers millions of gallons of fuel as well as wasted time to gear up.
3.) Although it was a little traveled road to me, (and apparently used by few others at night,) the Cherokee Turnpike toll barrier eastbound was unmanned after about 10 PM in the 1990's. It required (at the time,) $8.50 to be paid, no bills, and no change other than quarters. This was the toll for a 5 axle truck. I wonder how many others were caught shorthanded, as I generally do not carry 34 quarters with me at all times. To top off this stupidity, no receipt could be issued, which made it sketchy to claim as an expense on taxes. I assume this has been fixed in the last 15-20 years...
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 26, 2013, 08:16:37 AM
A uniqueness of something common...in a non-toll road category:
The NJ four-headed traffic lights, with the combo green/yellow arrow. Rarely do you see this setup outside of NJ. Likewise, rarely do you see a 5 headed signal (tower or doghouse) within NJ. Burlington County is the rare exception of an agency that generally uses those 5 headed signals.
No...? There are a ton of doghouses up here.
Quote from: Steve on February 26, 2013, 07:05:47 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 26, 2013, 08:16:37 AM
A uniqueness of something common...in a non-toll road category:
The NJ four-headed traffic lights, with the combo green/yellow arrow. Rarely do you see this setup outside of NJ. Likewise, rarely do you see a 5 headed signal (tower or doghouse) within NJ. Burlington County is the rare exception of an agency that generally uses those 5 headed signals.
No...? There are a ton of doghouses up here.
County or state jurisdiction?
Quote from: agentsteel53 on February 13, 2013, 10:18:54 AM
Quote from: kphoger on January 30, 2013, 12:41:28 PM
Other than the Panamerican Highway, are there cases of mileage signs for cities it's impossible to drive to? Such as the distance to Alaska from Patagonia, when there is no road between the two?
was just reading, on a motorcycle forum, about the distance from Magadan to Anadyr in Siberia. there is a sign. there isn't a road.
Got a picture of that?
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 27, 2013, 12:35:48 PM
Got a picture of that?
alas no. go to the ADVrider forum, and look through Colebatch's trip reports - it's in there somewhere. well worth the look :)
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=834987&page=276
Quote from: agentsteel53 on February 27, 2013, 12:50:22 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 27, 2013, 12:35:48 PM
Got a picture of that?
alas no. go to the ADVrider forum, and look through Colebatch's trip reports - it's in there somewhere. well worth the look :)
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=834987&page=276
Wow, I just glanced through briefly and that's astonishing stuff. Don't have time to look at it all now, but thanks for the link.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 27, 2013, 08:20:48 AM
Quote from: Steve on February 26, 2013, 07:05:47 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 26, 2013, 08:16:37 AM
A uniqueness of something common...in a non-toll road category:
The NJ four-headed traffic lights, with the combo green/yellow arrow. Rarely do you see this setup outside of NJ. Likewise, rarely do you see a 5 headed signal (tower or doghouse) within NJ. Burlington County is the rare exception of an agency that generally uses those 5 headed signals.
No...? There are a ton of doghouses up here.
County or state jurisdiction?
More county. State tends to use a combo arrow and do a four-head inline configuration as you point out. But I mean, Essex, Union, Passaic... doghouses abound.
Quote from: NE2 on February 26, 2013, 03:54:12 PM
There used to be: http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=36.99368,-94.62254&z=15&t=T
I've read that the tollbooths at the state line were giving Oklahoma a bad image (Welcome to Oklahoma, now pay your toll) so they passed a law (possibly unofficial) saying that no toll booths could be closer than a certain distance (seems like it was 5 or 10 miles) from the state line.
Quote from: Stalin on February 27, 2013, 07:38:07 PM
Quote from: NE2 on February 26, 2013, 03:54:12 PM
There used to be: http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=36.99368,-94.62254&z=15&t=T
I've read that the tollbooths at the state line were giving Oklahoma a bad image (Welcome to Oklahoma, now pay your toll) so they passed a law (possibly unofficial) saying that no toll booths could be closer than a certain distance (seems like it was 5 or 10 miles) from the state line.
Short-term memory trick. Reminds me of the old joke about why tolls are almost always paid to leave NJ, ("No one would pay to get in, but everyone is happy to pay to leave NJ!")