On certain occasions, states sign routes in neighboring states. This always intrigues me. Washington State does it on several occasions, for instance:
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US-12 EB at Washington SR 125
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Washington SR 290 EB near the Idaho State Line (sort of unclear WHY WSDOT decided to replicate the Idaho shield here since SH-53 isn't that important of a highway, it's almost like they did it just so they could make an Idaho shield)
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I-5 NB near the Canadian Border
as well as signing Idaho's US 95 fairly well in various places from the SR 27 corridor and I-84 fairly well from the SR 14/I-205 corridor.
I have yet to run into an instance in Wyoming, Colorado (with the exception of a lone TO I-80 trailblazer on US 138 right by the Nebraska line), Oregon, or Idaho where this happens, but I'm curious as to where it happens in other states.
I'm particularly interested in state and US highways, since interstates are fairly commonly signed across state lines. Show me photos if you have them.
On a related note, I'm interested in state highway shields that appear in the wrong places, such as the Ohio SR 400 shields that showed up along US 400 in KANSAS, and the Alabama 10/141 shields that showed up on Massachusetts 10/141 in Massachusetts.
Yes, I've seen it. I love when NY and PA sign NJ State highway shields the way they should be . . .without the black square around the white circle.
In Iowa on U.S. 61 you will find some IL 9/96. In Missouri there have been some signs of IL 3 in Downtown St. Louis. Plus, on I-55 at MO 74 in Cape you will see one BGS going SB with the shield for IL 146 and one with IL 146 as the control city.
http://www.geocities.com/moroads0/momistake.html (http://www.geocities.com/moroads0/momistake.html)
With
http://www.geocities.com/moroads0/mo74.html (http://www.geocities.com/moroads0/mo74.html)
Without
PA in NJ (http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/nj/us_206/n183.jpg) (incorrectly, NJ 183)
PA in NY (http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ny/ny_97/n55j.jpg) (correctly)
Various forms of NH in VT (http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/vt/us_5/) (correctly, but mostly done wrong)
I-81 has a sign in Ontario: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/w7kfOIdtcYfTi0dBfoJn1Q?feat=directlink (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/w7kfOIdtcYfTi0dBfoJn1Q?feat=directlink)
QuoteOne of my favorite "adjacent state" goofs is here (last photo on the page).
That is pretty funny. My question is why did WisDOT erect that sign? It seems like normally those first exit for the next state signs, even when placed in the first state, are erected by the state who has the exit's DOT (at least in rural areas). That's just an all around weird situation
Signs on I-78 WB at Exit 3 in New Jersey used to have "to PA 33," done correctly.
Signing on the PA side of the Delaware provide NJ 29 and NJ 90 shields as standalones, which is the New Jersey standard.
Maryland has signage for VA 241 on the Beltway just before the Wilson Bridge.
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My understanding is that signage in State "A", for an exit that is in State "B", is still the responsibility of State "A", since they have jurisdiction over that segment of highway.
Multi-state toll authorities (i.e. PANYNJ, DRJTBC, etc) obviously would be an exception to this. But when we're talking about roads maintained by the state DOTs, it's still the responsibility of that state DOT, even if the exit is physically located in a different state.
Interesting- I know for sure the signs for Wash SR 14 in Oregon (from I-5 and I-82) are WSDOT signs, and the Nebraska Link 53B sign on I-80 in Wyoming is pretty clearly an NDOR manufacture. On the other hand, the US-395/730 signs on I-82 for the Oregon exit located in Washington are pretty clearly WSDOT signs, so maybe it goes both ways
As far as I know, the following sign is maintained by NY:
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Credit: Gribblenation
There are some others around that area, but I don't have pictures of them.
Quote from: akotchiSigning on the PA side of the Delaware provide NJ 29 and NJ 90 shields as standalones, which is the New Jersey standard.
You reminded me - I-84 in PA and NY has a bunch of takes on NJ 23. Also see US 6 in NY and the Orange CR (17 I believe) connecting to 23. Just navigate from
alpsroads.net/roads, I'm tired and lazy.
Froggie: Do you have a photo of the WI 95 "MINN" shield on US 8 at the St. Croix River across from Taylors Falls?
There is only one instance I know of where Connecticut properly signs an adjacent state route: Signs for NY 120A on the Merritt Parkway.
...actually, NY 120A in and of itself is a weird one. Despite being a New York route, it spends some time physically over the line in Connecticut.
As far as I remember, signs for RI 78 just use Connecticut shields. Then again, the two states' shields are near identical, so it's not glaring. And, technically, the first fraction of mile of the route is in Connecticut and is actually officially CT 78.
Quote from: froggieMy understanding is that signage in State "A", for an exit that is in State "B", is still the responsibility of State "A", since they have jurisdiction over that segment of highway.
This is true, but I would argue that it is common for projects to be kept together and administered by a single state DOT even if the work occurs on both sides of the state line. Some examples which come to mind:
* Arizona DOT sign rehabilitations on I-8 and I-40 near the Colorado River: signs placed by Arizona DOT in California, typically done to California sign design standards (except when referring specifically to exits in Arizona) but with Arizona DOT standards for sign hardware, sheeting, and demountable legend (if used)
* Borman Expressway reconstruction Illinois-Indiana--administered by Illinois DOT, Indiana DOT standard plan sheets in the Illinois DOT plans set, seals by PEs registered in Indiana on the sheets referring to work in Indiana
* US 54 rehabilitation New Mexico/Texas--administered by TxDOT, NMDOT standard plan sheets in the TxDOT plans set, sheets referring to NM sealed by PEs registered in NM
* I-40 sign rehabilitation Arizona (Sun Valley-Lupton) with some signs placed in New Mexico--administered by Arizona DOT, ADOT plans set, some signs (including the NM welcome sign) furnished by NMDOT for erection by the ADOT contractor
I think the US 24 Fort-to-Port corridor has one project which crosses the state line, but I forget which DOT administered it and how work in the other state was handled.
In general, the procedure for administering the out-of-state work depends on the extent to which the foreign state DOT can waive provisions of its engineering practice law. Many states have laws requiring that plans for construction work performed on the state highway system in a given state must be approved and supervised by a (civil) PE registered in that state. I am not sure how Arizona DOT gets around this for signing work in the neighboring states; I suspect Caltrans and NMDOT may have the flexibility to allow administrative approvals of work administered by a foreign state DOT as long as it is the kind that could normally be handled by state forces.
About last August an NE 92 detour was signed in Iowa since the South Omaha Bridge across the Missouri was closed. Funny part was the use of Nebraska shields for the EB detour for IA 92 - but that was probably due to the bridge replacement being an NDOR project, including some of the approach grading.
Quote from: J N WinklerThis is true, but I would argue that it is common for projects to be kept together and administered by a single state DOT even if the work occurs on both sides of the state line.
River bridges are probably the most common occurrence of this. At least for the Missouri River, the states seem to alternate by project which state does which bridge:
* Nebraska get the US 159 bridge replacement
* MoDOT gets the US 136 bridge rehabilitation
* I think Nebraska gets the Highway 2 bridge rehabilitation
* Iowa gets the future US 34 bridge near Plattsmouth
* Nebraska gets the US 275 bridge
* Iowa gets the new bridge for WB I-80
US 90 heading west between Quincy and Chattahoochee.....
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....then, when you turn right, you're greeted with this
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In Alabama..
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Quote from: Revive 755About last August an NE 92 detour was signed in Iowa since the South Omaha Bridge across the Missouri was closed. Funny part was the use of Nebraska shields for the EB detour for IA 92 - but that was probably due to the bridge replacement being an NDOR project, including some of the approach grading.
You reminded me of ANOTHER one. When DE-MD 286 was detoured (in MD), DE did use a MD 286 shield. Then there's DE-MD 54 but that's a different matter altogether as it's a border route. So you'll see the shield of either state on either side of the border depending on whichever state installed it.
Quote from: duke87There is only one instance I know of where Connecticut properly signs an adjacent state route: Signs for NY 120A on the Merritt Parkway.
Not quite correct, as the "120A" is actually in the Merritt font.
QuoteNot quite correct, as the "120A" is actually in the Merritt font.
Yeah, but it'd look weird if it wasn't. Better that the fonts on the sign match.
Now if only they could replace that temporary-looking wood(?) sign that's been sitting right before the service station for the past few years with an actual one.
Last December there was a truck detour (I think, maybe just a plain detour) for MD 140 on NB US 15 near Gettysburg, PA.
I have a pic of a sign (c. 1970, by my dad) on a road that is along WA-251 (former) simply showing an arrow pointing north to Canada and a Hwy. 22-A shield. No mention of SR 251. Nada. Zip.
The infamous AR 43/OK 20 duplex contains many signs that would fit this category. It even has some MO 43 signs several miles away from the Missouri line.
QuoteI have a pic of a sign (c. 1970, by my dad) on a road that is along WA-251 (former) simply showing an arrow pointing north to Canada and a Hwy. 22-A shield. No mention of SR 251. Nada. Zip.
You should scan that in or take a picture of the picture- I'd love to see that
Unfortunately, my cat got into some files that included the picture and now the picture is un-noticeable.
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Maryland 279 referenced on a Delaware sign along Interstate 95 south
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Pennsylvania 452 referenced on a Delaware sign along Interstate 95 north
There's an exit for M-217 on the Indiana Toll Road, near South Bend/Elkhart. blurry Street View pic (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=41.729818,-85.892487&spn=0,359.889622&z=13&layer=c&cbll=41.729814,-85.893008&panoid=-rpmXicMkTuQllJpAkTm-g&cbp=12,113.48,,1,0.12) [Thanks InterstateNG!]
Also, there used to be "TO US 2" signs throughout Canada, effectively making US 2 one continuous highway.
Of course, I have pictures of neither.
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There are also signs along the St. Lawrence River on both NY37 and NY12 for roads in Canada by the international bridges...there are signs before the turn to the Ogdensburg-Prescott International Bridge for Highways 16 and 416 (and surprisingly not 401), and there are signs at the cloverleaf interchange between NY12 and I-81 for the 401.
There's also a "TO 401" sign along I-81 northbound near Watertown as well.
Quote from: getemngo on August 05, 2009, 10:14:00 AM
There's an exit for a Michigan state highway on the Indiana Toll Road, somewhere near South Bend/Elkhart. I forget which highway and exit.
Also, there used to be "TO US 2" signs throughout Canada, effectively making US 2 one continuous highway.
Of course, I have pictures of neither.
Exit 96, Elkhart Co. Rd. 17/M-217 The Michiana Parkway
I noticed this on my trip to Hilton Head last week . . . slightly off-topic
The I-95 interchange on the N.C./S.C. border is designated N.C. exit 1, at South of the Border. While the cross-street carries two U.S. routes, guide signs in both directions are clearly N.C. standard north of the cross-street and clearly S.C. standard south of the cross-street.
Minn 95, as interpreted by Wisconsin DOT:
www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=MN19800951t300950.jpg (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=MN19800951t300950.jpg)
Kentucky 38, by VADOT:
www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=KY19700381t300380.jpg (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=KY19700381t300380.jpg)
about the last place you'll find 1961-spec Indiana interstate shields is ... Chicago. Correct state on this one!
www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=IN19610651t100650.jpg (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=IN19610651t100650.jpg)
a perfectly good Conn turnpike shield in Mt. Vernon NY. Likely borrowed from ConnDOT.
www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=CT19560952t400951.jpg (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=CT19560952t400951.jpg)
This gantry is in Nebraska. The 34 is a Nebraska standard, while the 29 is distinctly Iowa.
www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=IA19610293t100290.jpg (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=IA19610293t100290.jpg)
at the bridge from New Jersey to Delaware, here is a Delaware standard cutout with the state name hastily marked over... they didn't even bother to remove the old legend!
www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=NJ19550401t200400.jpg (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=NJ19550401t200400.jpg)
this is a New York made sign that points to US-220, which begins only at the Pennsylvania state line:
www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=NY19602201t202201.jpg (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=NY19602201t202201.jpg)
somewhat related... a California contractor must've signed Majors Junction in Nevada.
www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=NV19620931t200930.jpg (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=NV19620931t200930.jpg)
the only known button copy in Virginia is on I-77 northbound... it refers to the very first exit in WV, and was definitely provided by WV.
finally, in Texarkana, northbound is signed by Arkansas and southbound by Texas, so you get two very different shield standards for US highways.
Quote from: SyntheticDreamer on May 02, 2009, 04:02:51 PM
Maryland has signage for VA 241 on the Beltway just before the Wilson Bridge.
Thinking of Maryland, they recently removed the WV 28 Alternate shields from the BGSes on I-68, because truckers tended to take that exit to get to WV 28, with the result of the truck getting stuck under a railroad overpass.
On I-80 westbound just before the Delaware Water Gap bridge, there is a PA 611 BGS with the Jersey-style black area surrounding the PA 611 shield.
Similarly, on the Portland PA bridge, just after the toll booth is an overhead mentioning NJ 94 with a shield.
In Burlington, NJ, PA 413 can be seen on some signs before the Burlington-Bristol Bridge.
Quote from: njroadhorse on August 07, 2009, 11:31:45 AM
In Burlington, NJ, PA 413 can be seen on some signs before the Burlington-Bristol Bridge.
In a related area, New Jersey 90 is referenced for the Betsy Ross Bridge exit of Interstate 95 in Philadelphia, complete with a black back plate:
(https://www.aaroads.com/northeast/pennsylvania075/i-095_nb_exit_026_02.jpg)
On I-95 south in NH approaching the MA state line with a sign refering to a MA exit...
http://picasaweb.google.com/Iansignal/NewHampshireTrafficSignalsAndRoadSigns#5353972838474470306 (http://picasaweb.google.com/Iansignal/NewHampshireTrafficSignalsAndRoadSigns#5353972838474470306)
On NY 17 east in Hancock...
http://picasaweb.google.com/Iansignal/NewYorkTrafficSignalsAndRoadSigns#5361449300034165314 (http://picasaweb.google.com/Iansignal/NewYorkTrafficSignalsAndRoadSigns#5361449300034165314)
http://picasaweb.google.com/Iansignal/NewYorkTrafficSignalsAndRoadSigns#5361449317139403298 (http://picasaweb.google.com/Iansignal/NewYorkTrafficSignalsAndRoadSigns#5361449317139403298)
Quote from: PennDOTFan on August 07, 2009, 04:18:39 PM
On I-95 south in NH approaching the MA state line with a sign refering to a MA exit...
You know, that reminds me. On I-95 South in CT, approaching the NY state line.... there used to be a pair of NYSTA signs in Connecticut for their first exit (can be seen here (https://www.aaroads.com/northeast/connecticut095/i-095_sb_exit_000_01.jpg)). A couple years ago, CONNDOT replaced them with their own. Don't have a picture, but they say pretty much the same thing. This is also, to my knowledge, the only place you can find an I-287 shield in Connecticut.
On the other hand, northbound, CONNDOT's sign in New York for their first exit (seen here (https://www.aaroads.com/northeast/connecticut095/i-095_nb_exit_002_01.jpg)) is still there.
And don't get me started on the mess NYSDOT and CONNDOT have been having with Exit 30 (or is it 30S? Or 27S?) on the Hutch slash Exit 27 (or is it 27N? Or 30N?) on the Merritt.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 05, 2009, 01:08:27 PM
this is a New York made sign that points to US-220, which begins only at the Pennsylvania state line:
www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=NY19602201t202201.jpg (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=NY19602201t202201.jpg)
I thought US-220 has always ended in NY @ old NY-17...
http://www.geocities.com/usend4049/Waverly/index.htm (http://www.geocities.com/usend4049/Waverly/index.htm)
Then of course, there's Oklahoma, which provides absolutely no advance notice on I-44 that an exit is coming up, forcing MoDOT to hastily wedge in an exit sign between the "Welcome to Missouri" sign and the exit.
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 09, 2009, 01:57:48 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 05, 2009, 01:08:27 PM
this is a New York made sign that points to US-220, which begins only at the Pennsylvania state line:
www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=NY19602201t202201.jpg (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=NY19602201t202201.jpg)
I thought US-220 has always ended in NY @ old NY-17...
http://www.geocities.com/usend4049/Waverly/index.htm (http://www.geocities.com/usend4049/Waverly/index.htm)
I thought so too, but I couldn't find US 220 in the state highway logs. I only took a quick look though, so I can't guarantee it ends at the state line.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 09, 2009, 02:09:00 AM
Then of course, there's Oklahoma, which provides absolutely no advance notice on I-44 that an exit is coming up, forcing MoDOT to hastily wedge in an exit sign between the "Welcome to Missouri" sign and the exit.
I noticed that on my way up here last week. OTA are cheap bastards.
No one's mentioned the (incorrect) to I-905 shield in Baja California?
as far as I know, 220 and 309 stopped at the state line. We've got a classic photo here of the first southbound gantry.
www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=PA19483091t202200.jpg (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=PA19483091t202200.jpg)
some good description there too
I-84 EB in NY State has some CT Maintained signs for Exit 1 & 2.
(https://www.aaroads.com/northeast/new_york050/i-084_eb_exit_001_06.jpg)
This is for Exit 2 in CT way back in NY. Looks like a CT maintained sign with the CT style of the non-liner exit tab.
(https://www.aaroads.com/northeast/new_york050/i-084_eb_exit_001_08.jpg)
Also Exit 1 for CT is actually in NY State
The tab looks like a CT tab but the sign looks like a NY sign.
Also, the street lights are CT style. This pic is actually taken in NY
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A NY maintained sign for sure.
Photos: NE Roads
This sign is on I-77 North within the state of South Carolina, but is in no doubt maintained by North Carolina.
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Quote from: Michael on August 09, 2009, 04:48:02 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on August 09, 2009, 01:57:48 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on August 05, 2009, 01:08:27 PM
this is a New York made sign that points to US-220, which begins only at the Pennsylvania state line:
www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=NY19602201t202201.jpg (//www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=NY19602201t202201.jpg)
I thought US-220 has always ended in NY @ old NY-17...
http://www.geocities.com/usend4049/Waverly/index.htm (http://www.geocities.com/usend4049/Waverly/index.htm)
I thought so too, but I couldn't find US 220 in the state highway logs. I only took a quick look though, so I can't guarantee it ends at the state line.
Yes it ends at Chemung Street (old 17) 0.1 of a mile to the north of the line.
Adam Moss
Highway Historian
There are a few of these along former NY 124:
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According to Wikipedia, NY 124 was cut back from the state line to Pound Ridge by 1970, but I remember it being signed to the state line well into the 90's. A NYSDOT tag on the back of this shield dates it to October 1994.
Anyone have some light to shed on this matter? :confused:
Does "conn" mean anything other than Conneticut? If not, it looks like NYSDOT might be signing an out-of-state route with one of their own shields.
Quote from: deanej on September 20, 2009, 12:03:20 PM
Does "conn" mean anything other than Conneticut? If not, it looks like NYSDOT might be signing an out-of-state route with one of their own shields.
Usually it's used as an abbreviation for "connector." Seems silly to sign another state's route with its own shield. But then the local authority may have simply added "CONN" signs to the already-existing shields.
Quote from: HighwayMaster on September 20, 2009, 01:47:56 PM
Uh, Marc, I don't think so...wait. Maybe...Aha! It's both!
Let me explain. Actually that sign is definitely South Carolina signage except for the "James G Martin Frwy" sign. That is North Carolina signage. That does seem weird, but that's the way it is. :banghead:
I think you're right, but the Rest Area sign is also NC, because it has rounded edges. The gantry is also NC, as SC doesn't use that particular style. Although it's hard to tell (without a profile shot), it appears that the signage on that gantry is not tilted up, which would also indicate that NC had some heavy influence on the installation.
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CT shield in NY... except it's on the wrong side of the state!
Quote from: WNYroadgeek on October 22, 2009, 09:51:43 PM
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CT shield in NY... except it's on the wrong side of the state!
It's really more WV 3 digit state route shield. While CT does have a few elongated 3 digit shields, the rule of thumb is NO elongated shields in CT for 3 digit routes. Sqaures are mantained with narrow type B font. WV always uses an elongated shield like this with the same thick black border as CT for 3 digit routes.