If you look at a map of the United States, where do you think are the places that need a new Interstate added to them?
I had mentioned some for the west in another post...
I-3 (or even I-101, if they can make an I-1) for US-101 between LA and San Francisco
I-7 for US-97 corridor on the eastern side of the Cascades in Oregon; going maybe even as far south as I-5 in Weed and as far north as to be a renumbering of I-82
I-9 for US-99 between the southern terminus (almost the Grapevine) and Sacramento
I-11 for US-395 between Victorville (southern Terminus) to north of Reno, maybe even as far as Susanville
I-13 for US-95 corridor south of Las Vegas. This presents a numbering difficulty, but no other two-digit numbers are available. Maybe I-915?
An Interstate that allows you to bypass Atlanta and its sprawl. :-o
A new Seattle bypass (I-605)
A freeway spur from Kelso, WA to Aberdeen, WA (I-105)
or a Los Angeles bypass, for that matter. Upgrading CA-138 to a full freeway would go a long way towards that, going from the Grapevine all the way to Cajon Pass.
Then, another freeway upgrade would be 18 from the 138 split, across 15 (thereby avoiding Cajon Pass), onto the 247 at Lucerne Valley, down to the 62 at Morongo Valley. To connect to I-10 here would be a bit iffy - either by backtracking along CA-62, or by going southeast but a freeway through Joshua Park would be rather fecal, so maybe a full freeway upgrade to CA-62 into Parker, then down AZ-72 to US-60 into Phoenix.
not that Phoenix needs any more development. the best way to solve Phoenix's problems is atomic testing, but that's neither here nor there.
I would call the 138-18-247-62-72-60 freeway I-14. It would have course mean having to renumber CA-14 (because a 14/14 junction is just a bit iffy) so why not bring back the US-6 designation for that route?
another way to bypass LA is to build two freeways: I-5X and I-10X. Put them on top of I-5 and I-10, respectively. (Earthquake concern? What's an earthquake concern?). Exits on I-5X only at I-405, I-10X, I-405 again, and CA-1 at Dana Point. Exits on I-10X only at I-5X (terminus) and US-99 in Indio.
oh, hmm, seems like they renumbered US-99 to CA-86S. Well, to commemorate old US-99 (which is what half of I-5X and all of I-10X would follow)... looks like we've got ourselves a new speed limit!
A bypass of Spokane, Washington
With how much area Los Angeles takes up, a bypass of the city just doesn't seem very plausible. It would take about 8 hours to completely bypass the city from say Camp Pendleton to the Grapevine, and the sprawl would just start to build back up right there. I agree that something is needed, but a complete bypass just doesn't seem like the best idea.
Quote from: voyager on January 20, 2009, 06:32:54 PM
With how much area Los Angeles takes up, a bypass of the city just doesn't seem very plausible. It would take about 8 hours to completely bypass the city from say Camp Pendleton to the Grapevine, and the sprawl would just start to build back up right there. I agree that something is needed, but a complete bypass just doesn't seem like the best idea.
The Metropolitan Bypass was one that was planned along the California 138 corridor. The interchange between it and The 5 is a result of the original plan. I don't believe that its completely dead yet, but highly improbable.
Something between I-81 and I-87 in northern NY. It could even be extended into Vermont/New Hampshire/Maine as a major east-west road (could call it I-98).
I think that building an interstate to replace VA- & NC-168 and US-158 would be a valuable asset to Northeastern North Carolina and Southeastern Virginia. The 4 lanes they are currently is barely enough as it is, even with 5-minute delays on the cross-street stoplights to keep people moving it slows to a crawl for about 100 miles during the summer. Too many people traveling to the Outer Banks from Hampton Roads I guess. I think an interstate would clear it up pretty well as on the northern portion of VA-168, the Chesapeake Expressway, traffic hardly ever backs up. And the highway is already an extension of I-464, so just sign it as such! :nod:
Two suggestions:
A north-south route between the Penn. Turnpike NE Ext. and the New Jersey Turnpike.
A north-south route east of I-95 nearer to the coast in North and South Carolina, from Virginia Beach, VA, to Savannah, GA. There are pieces already that seem to provide a good start.
Ahh yes, that's a good idea. :) Tack it onto the end of VA-168 and brand it as the REAL I-95! :-P The approximate route of US-17 would be a good route to follow, and there are already a few stretches of freeway, if my memory serves me well.
There was once a freeway touted for the U.S. 1 and U.S. 202 corridor from Maryland northward into central New Jersey. I believe that it was called the Piedmont Freeway, but unfortunately it was never fully realized. Portions of the Oxford Bypass and the Doylestown Bypass were a result of these early plans I believe.
Yeah, I always wondered where those came from. What about the Newtown bypass, same deal? A good interstate (which is going to happen, I may add) is I-7 for CA-99 from Wheeler Ridge to Sacramento. That road is an overcrowded mess, they need more money to fix it, and with California broke, federal funding is the only money they can get. And while they're putting up new signage, they could do some historic US-99 shields.
They should extend I-275 in detroit north to I-75, like originally planned
Quote from: ComputerGuy on January 20, 2009, 06:32:48 PM
A bypass of Spokane, Washington
Already in the works, actually. Albeit it's a bypass through some of the northern part of town, the North Spokane Corridor (http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/projects/us395/northspokanecorridor/).
And while I am a big freeway buff, I'd prefer that US-97 not get *gasp* decommissioned in favor of an I-7. 97 has sentimental value for me. :) I do, however, think I-82 should get renumbered. It's totally out of place since they renumbered I-80N as I-84. It's going North-South at both its termini (I-84 on the South near Hermiston, I-90 on the North at Ellensburg), so it would make sense to just call it I-7 now.
-Alex (Tarkus)
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on January 20, 2009, 10:32:07 PM
I think that building an interstate to replace VA- & NC-168 and US-158 would be a valuable asset to Northeastern North Carolina and Southeastern Virginia. The 4 lanes they are currently is barely enough as it is, even with 5-minute delays on the cross-street stoplights to keep people moving it slows to a crawl for about 100 miles during the summer. Too many people traveling to the Outer Banks from Hampton Roads I guess. I think an interstate would clear it up pretty well as on the northern portion of VA-168, the Chesapeake Expressway, traffic hardly ever backs up. And the highway is already an extension of I-464, so just sign it as such! :nod:
Probably better to renumber it to I-364 if that happens.
My fictional Interstate 50 upgrades the U.S. 17 corridor southwest to Elizabeth City and then west to Williamston, then following the U.S. 64 corridor west to Raleigh. There was a failed plan for a U.S. 17 limited access highway leading south from Interstate 64 to the state line at one point IIRC, so part of my idea had some merit! :spin:
is that too-close-for-comfort to US-50? Maybe I-48?
Well technically U.S. 50 and Interstate 50 would be in the same state, but with U.S. 74 and Interstate 74 sharing pavement, I think we can throw that out the window. Otherwise its far enough south to not warrant confusion.
Quote from: aaroads on January 21, 2009, 01:52:41 AM
U.S. 74 and Interstate 74 sharing pavement
why, oh most sawtoothed and pain-wielding Jesus, WHY!!???
was 74 the first interstate freeway to run wild like that, showing up in random areas of the country, before I-69 was a gleam in anyone's demented spherical eye?
Well in the post-Temp Interstate era, yes.
Quote from: aaroads on January 21, 2009, 01:59:42 AM
Well in the post-Temp Interstate era, yes.
where did temporary interstates run wild?
also, when was that US-90 loop in Louisiana first signed as Future I-49?
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 21, 2009, 02:12:10 AM
Quote from: aaroads on January 21, 2009, 01:59:42 AM
Well in the post-Temp Interstate era, yes.
where did temporary interstates run wild?
also, when was that US-90 loop in Louisiana first signed as Future I-49?
1999 on Future Interstate 49 I think
The last Temp Interstate was Temp Interstate 77 in Columbia. I was fortunate enough to see signs for it in 1988.
They were mainly used out west with a few instances back east, such as Interstate 275 in Pinellas County, Florida.
I don't think that there is anything wrong with them, and that they could easily be used for the Interstate 22 corridor until its finished connecting with Interstate 65 in 2011 or 2012.
oh, what I meant was interstates appearing well out of place with respect to the ordered grid. 74 in NC is nowhere near where I-74 should be, given its number. I-69 is also similarly wacky, and I-49 in LA doesn't even go the right direction for an odd number.
the Temp interstates seem to all be in the right place in general.
I certainly don't remember any signs for them other than that random 15E that survived in Perris until about last year.
Central Louisiana needs an east-west Interstate corridor badly. Aside from Alexandria, the area's pretty depressed due to the lack of high-capacity roadways.
Quote from: SyntheticDreamer on January 21, 2009, 01:31:25 AM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on January 20, 2009, 10:32:07 PM
I think that building an interstate to replace VA- & NC-168 and US-158 would be a valuable asset to Northeastern North Carolina and Southeastern Virginia. The 4 lanes they are currently is barely enough as it is, even with 5-minute delays on the cross-street stoplights to keep people moving it slows to a crawl for about 100 miles during the summer. Too many people traveling to the Outer Banks from Hampton Roads I guess. I think an interstate would clear it up pretty well as on the northern portion of VA-168, the Chesapeake Expressway, traffic hardly ever backs up. And the highway is already an extension of I-464, so just sign it as such! :nod:
Probably better to renumber it to I-364 if that happens.
So have 464 turn into 364 when it hits 64? :-\ I think it would make more sense to give the whole route the same number.
I meant to renumber the whole thing to 364 since it would no longer be a "loop" route. :P
Or leave it alone and tack it onto that I-50 idea. :spin:
Quote from: deanej on January 20, 2009, 07:12:12 PM
Something between I-81 and I-87 in northern NY. It could even be extended into Vermont/New Hampshire/Maine as a major east-west road (could call it I-98).
I recently read something about it in a New York newspaper. Problem is the traffic volumes are quite low (5,000 between towns), so that doesn't really requires an expressway. It would run from Watertown to Plattsburgh via the US 11 corridor.
Ahh but aren't 3dis supposed to be even-numbered if they interchange with another 3di off of the same 2di too? Current-464's northern terminus is I-264. ;-)
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on January 21, 2009, 04:19:37 AM
Ahh but aren't 3dis supposed to be even-numbered if they interchange with another 3di off of the same 2di too? Current-464's northern terminus is I-264. ;-)
The completion of the Palmetto Parkway around Augusta (I-520) should be done later this year and then we will have an odd numbered 3di that will loop back to its parent.
hmmm... that's odd. I guess there's a first for everything.
It's odd that Phoenix has no auxiliary Interstates. (because of state funding of highways or something).
They had an Interstate 510 proposed at one point. I've seen it signed on an old General Drafting fold map of Arizona.
There was also once a proposal for a I-410 in Phoenix. It was actually the original number proposed for the current I-10 between the two I-17 interchanges.
A freeway facility along the US 190 corridor between BR and Opelousas would be nice, so that I don't have to constantly play chicken with the local revenuers in Krotz Springs, Livonia, and Port Barre. :-o
Dream on, I guess. The state is only just beginning to improve the road to something resembling late 20th century standards. :banghead:
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Some TX proposals:
I-14: East-west corridor thru Austin, via US 290 and/or TX 71
I-36: DFW to Amarillo via US 287
I-45 extension: DFW north to Tulsa and Kansas City via US 75 and US 169 generally
Also, I imagine MS would benefit from improvement to their most important intra-state road, US 49 between Jackson and Gulfport.
I think that Nevada really needs to extend the 395 freeway between Reno and Carson City.
Quote from: voyager on January 21, 2009, 08:17:00 PM
I think that Nevada really needs to extend the 395 freeway between Reno and Carson City.
They are already doing that, it will become Interstate 580 upon completion, thus connecting the capital city to the Interstate system, which is what officials wanted.
* NE 2 between I-29 and I-80: Currently a well-utilized truck route, it seems like a logical addition to the system as an I-x29.
* Something generally parallel to US 24 between Peoria and Fort Wayne, then along US 30 to I-71; it would provide a much needed route between I-70 and I-80 in addition to being another option for traffic wanting to reach destinations along the I-80 corridor such as Toledo (via I-75) or Cleveland without gambling on delays around Chicago. It could be a westward extension of the eastern I-76, with another possible extension to Des Moines along US 34 and the Burlington - Des Moines corridor.
* US 27 between I-10 in Tallahassee and I-75 near Chattanooga; provides a western north-south route that avoids Atlanta, as well relief for I-75. Could be a southern I-71.
How about an Interstate from Norfolk to Emporia, VA? The Hampton Roads metro is a bit off the beaten path, Interstate-wise...
Suprisingly, I don't think it would see that much use. Whenever I head south I take 58, but can't remember it ever being that busy. I think it suffices in the state it's currently in, and I think that one straight to the south would be better utilized by people heading to resort destinations such as the Outer Banks, Myrtle Beach, and other resort towns farther south. IMHO, turning US-17 into an interstate would be a better option.
Quote from: Urban Prairie Schooner on January 21, 2009, 07:57:51 PM
A freeway facility along the US 190 corridor between BR and Opelousas would be nice, so that I don't have to constantly play chicken with the local revenuers in Krotz Springs, Livonia, and Port Barre. :-o
Dream on, I guess. The state is only just beginning to improve the road to something resembling late 20th century standards. :banghead:
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Only justification I can see for upgrading US 190 to Interstate standards would be as part of a general upgrade of US 190 and LA 12 west to I-10 at Vidor as a relief route....and getting that highway through Opelousas, Eunice, Kinder and DeQuincy would be really tricky....never mind the opposition from said "revenooers" in Port Barre and Livonia.
Widening the I-10 Atchafalaya Spillway freeway to six lanes with grade-seperated "crossovers" would be a better option. Actually, completing I-49 South to New Orleans would not be to bad an alternative, either.
Anthony
Quote from: Anthony_JK on January 22, 2009, 07:28:56 PM
Quote from: Urban Prairie Schooner on January 21, 2009, 07:57:51 PM
A freeway facility along the US 190 corridor between BR and Opelousas would be nice, so that I don't have to constantly play chicken with the local revenuers in Krotz Springs, Livonia, and Port Barre. :-o
Dream on, I guess. The state is only just beginning to improve the road to something resembling late 20th century standards. :banghead:
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Only justification I can see for upgrading US 190 to Interstate standards would be as part of a general upgrade of US 190 and LA 12 west to I-10 at Vidor as a relief route....and getting that highway through Opelousas, Eunice, Kinder and DeQuincy would be really tricky....never mind the opposition from said "revenooers" in Port Barre and Livonia.
Widening the I-10 Atchafalaya Spillway freeway to six lanes with grade-seperated "crossovers" would be a better option. Actually, completing I-49 South to New Orleans would not be to bad an alternative, either.
Anthony
Well, I could settle for expressway standards at a minimum - grade separation of major junctions, et al. The I-10 BR-Lafayette section could really use some relief. I wonder how expanding the Basin bridge to add an additional lane would compare cost-wise with an upgraded US 190.
To that end, I agree that I-49 South is a more important project. Better to deploy our scarce highway dollars where they are most needed...
The two largest cities in Oklahoma that lack interstates are Enid and Stillwater. These could be remedied by commissioning an I-46 to run along the Cimarron Turnpike, and then further west of I-35 to Enid. To serve Stillwater, make the Cimarron Turnpike spur into I-146 and extend it slightly so that it actually runs into town. (Jeremy Lance has proposed this idea before, somewhat.)
Another solution would be to leave the Cimarron alone and simply upgrade the stretch of US 64/412 between Enid and I-35 to Interstate standards, and number it I-735. Then you would upgrade the OK-51 expressway between I-35 and Stillwater to full freeway and call it I-935. The good thing about this is you would then have only I-835 needed to give I-35 a full set of 3dis. :)
There needs to be interstate between Lawrenceville and Athens. Georgia 316 is inadequate. Too much sprawl. Too many traffic lights. Oh, yeah, how about I-385 as its designation.
There should be an interstate that would connect Columbus, Macon and Augusta. The Fall Line Freeway is a good start, but an actual freeway would've been better (IMHO). Maybe I-14 will get built.
Georgia 400 is a freeway between I-85 and Georgia 369, but the freeway section should've gone a little further: at least to about where the North Georgia Premium Outlets is. An interstate designation of I-585 would be good.
Be well,
Bryant
I think Reno to Las Vegas would be an important link as well as Fort Worth to Denver via Amarillo.
the US-95 corridor between Reno and Vegas tends to be pretty abandoned in general. I think it's adequately served with the two-lane road it is now.
Yeah... What about CA-56 corridor from Interstate 5 to Interstate 15. As need HOV add-on in middle of CA-56 fwy, and add the flyover ramps on Interstate 5. Could be numbering as Interstate 515. Several reasons are: same type of tubular signage, same type light poles as I-15. 515 also stands for 5-15 equals to 515. Make sense?
seems like a good freeway project, but does it need an interstate number?
Probably.. as not 100% sure yet.. cuz CA-56 freeway is 75% whitetop freeway as my perspective reason.
It would be nice to have some kind of northern California freeway connector between US 101 and I-5 in the central valley.
indeed... the 152 corridor would be a good one.
No I mean like between say Redding and Humboldt County.
up there perhaps too ... but upgrading the 152 would definitely help connect the South Bay to LA. Yes, the 101 is available, but when I lived in the San Jose area, I always took 152 to 5 to get to Southern California, and generally it was faster, unless something happened in Pacheco Pass...
Redding and Eureka or something like that would be a waste of money. The entire thing would be mountainous, so it would cost tons of money to connect an area of 50,000 to an area of 80,000.
Quote from: travelinmiles on January 25, 2009, 03:34:59 PM
I think Reno to Las Vegas would be an important link (...)
Quote from: agentsteel53 on January 25, 2009, 03:42:48 PM
the US-95 corridor between Reno and Vegas tends to be pretty abandoned in general. I think it's adequately served with the two-lane road it is now.
I wouldn't say that corridor is exactly abandoned...US 95 between Las Vegas and Fallon is probably one of the most traveled rural US routes across the state.
However, I would agree that traffic volumes on this stretch of US 95 wouldn't warrant four lanes, let alone an Interstate standard highway.
yeah, now that I think about it, there are a good number of trucks. But the traffic seems to be pretty moderate - nothing that would warrant expansion.
There are a lot of great ideas here. I've compiled a list, most pipe dreams, of future interstate corridors.
- I-7 through central Oregon. Most of US 97 is already a pretty nice highway, and upgrading exisitng at grade intersections could prove easy with the exception of Bend, and Klamath Falls. This freeway would be a nice alternative for traffic bound for Canada, allowing them to avoid the Siskiyou Pass on I-5@ the Oregon/California border, which often closes in the winter.
- I-9 through central CA using the existing CA 99. I think we're all unaimous on this one, and it's supposedly going to happen.
- A westside bypass of Portland. Let's use I-605.
- Upgrade the existing Salem Parkway and revive I-305 in Salem, OR
- The western I-98 from Sault Ste. Marie, MI to Fargo along US 2 and US 10, or possibly US 8 in WI. Extend I-39 north to meet it. Decommission US 51 north of Portage, WI.
- Would I-11 work from Reno to Phoenix via Las Vegas?
- Extend I-27 south to meet I-20 in Texas.
- I'm all for the I-69 master plan, despite the numbering concerns.
- Extend I-45 north into OK via US 75.
Nick
Portland, OR
Las Vegas to Phoenix would be a good freeway, maybe US-60 to Wickenberg, then US-93 and I-515 to I-15 in Las Vegas.
An earlier post mentioned the US 17 corridor in North Carolina. This corridor could use a major upgrade in SC as well.
SC 31 and I-526 both act as partial bypasses of the most densely developed areas on the coast (with the exception of Georgetown, where a new bypass is needed). If traffic lights were eliminated north and south of I-526 in Charleston, and between Georgetown and the planned SC 31 interchange, this corridor could provide *almost* interstate-level service through SC.
I can dream :D
US 17 -> I-101 :sombrero:
Yeah, I must agree... US-17 could use an upgrade here in VA too.
Quote from: Chris on February 07, 2009, 04:17:58 AM
US 17 -> I-101 :sombrero:
Pah! Forget I-101, make it the REAL I-99! :-D
I agree; I-101 should be a spur of a future I-1 on the West Coast, like US 101 should be somewhere along the East Coast branching off of US 1.
Wasn't Delaware route 1/US 13 going to become I-101?
Since we have two Interstate 84, 86, and 88. How about a second I-99 for the US 17 corridor?
At least this one would be in the right place! :sombrero:
Quote from: I.C.Ligget on February 07, 2009, 09:35:02 PM
Wasn't Delaware route 1/US 13 going to become I-101?
I sure hope not.. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Revive 755 on February 07, 2009, 02:37:03 PM
I agree; I-101 should be a spur of a future I-1 on the West Coast, like US 101 should be somewhere along the East Coast branching off of US 1.
US 101 is considered a main US route with a first "digit" of 10.
US 97 in Oregon as I-7.
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* US 27 between I-10 in Tallahassee and I-75 near Chattanooga; provides a western north-south route that avoids Atlanta, as well relief for I-75. Could be a southern I-71.
another idea then I taught is a northern extension of I-59 from Hooker, GA north to Cincinnati along US-27/I-124,TN-111 and US-127 corridor up to Frankfort KY
Quote from: I.C.Ligget on February 07, 2009, 09:35:02 PM
Wasn't Delaware route 1/US 13 going to become I-101?
It should be I-99, give Bud Schuster a 3DI just to make him laugh :-P
I guess we have all different ideas for new interstates. I have a whole list of new interstates I'd like to see built and existing ones I'd like to see extended. I'll share a few here:
I-3: This interstate could generally parallel US 101 from Los Angeles to just north of San Francisco. More specifically, I would have it travel along the east shore of the San Francisco Bay (I-880) and the Richmond San Rafael Bridge (I-580), ending at US 101 in San Rafael. Ideally, I would like to see it extended north through Santa Rosa, Eureka, and Crescent City along US 101 and all the way up ending at I-5 in Grants Pass. I'd like to see it that far north, but I'm not sure if it is worth the cost. Knowing California, they would most likely decommission US 101 in some form if I-3 was created.
I-7 I think everyone agrees CA 99 needs to be upgraded to an interstate. I would transform into I-7 all the way from Grapevine to Sacramento. It would be a little weird to have 2dis closely parallel each other north of Stockton, but I would be fine with it.
I-11 This should be the number for an interstate connecting Phoenix and Las Vegas. Right now, there is no need for an interstate from Las Vegas to Reno, but if there is a need in the future, I-11 could be extended to the northwest.
I-36 I think extending I-74 southeastward into North Carolina is a stupid idea. At most, I-74 should be extended east to I-73 along OH 32. I think it is insane to have I-74 multiplexed with I-73 and I-77 for such a long distance just to get to North Carolina. Instead, I would create I-36 and have it run from Columbus, NC at I-26 to Wilmington. This would absorb I-74's proposed path along US 74 from Rockingham to Wilmington. This would also add a new interstate for Charlotte. I think it is pretty reasonable, it is not that far from Rockingham to Charlotte to build a new interstate. Once in Charlotte, I-36 could be routed near downtown or along I-485 to I-85 west of Charlotte. Once there, I-36 would have a short multiplex along I-85 and then be routed along US 74 to Columbus. This would allow I-73 to be signed alone and eliminate the annoying duplex with I-74 from Rockingham to Randleman. I would change I-74 from I-77 near the VA border to I-73 at Randleman into some I-x73. I would then change proposed I-274 into I-273. Sorry for the long explanation, but there are a lot of details.
I-46 I agree with signing the Cimarron Turnpike as I-46. I think I would have it end at I-35 instead of Enid, because I generally do not like for 2dis to end in the middle of nowhere at a non-interstate terminus. I would take I-46 a step farther and have it follow the Muskogee Turnpike at end at I-40 at Webbers Falls. This would provide another interstate to Tulsa and give I-35 SB and I-40 WB better access to Tulsa. I would also make the connection to Stillwater as I-146. By the way, I would completely eliminate US 412, it is such an annoyance.
I-55 I would extend I-55 north from its present terminus in Chicago to Green Bay. I would have it follow I-94 from Chicago to Milwaukeee. Then I would have it routed over the proposed I-41 from Milwaukee to Green Bay. This makes sense to me because it eliminates the annoying I-41/US 41 duplex. Also, it makes sense for I-94 to be duplexed with a north-south interstate since I-94 is actually traveling north-south between Chicago and Milwaukee.
I-89 Since many other turnpikes have interstate status, I think Florida's Turnpike should also receive an interestate number. (as long as it is up to interstate standards) Since there are no numbers left between 75 and 95, i would duplicate I-89. The northern I-89 would be quite far from the southern I-89. Additionally, the northern I-89 is a minor interstate that doesn't travel to many populated areas. The northern I-89 doesn't even touch I-95, so there would be no confusion. I would also make some of florida's other toll roads into 3dis.
I just mentioned this in another post,... we don't need an interstate all the way, but there needs to be a 3di to go around the southside of Lincoln, NE for those going to NE-2 over to Nebraska City, Iowa. NE-2 is a great road, but if you've ever driven through Lincoln (especially during rush hour) following the signs for US77 and NE 2, it's a nightmare.
Sykotyk
Quote from: froggie on February 07, 2009, 11:02:12 PM
QuoteYeah, I must agree... US-17 could use an upgrade here in VA too.
Only from about Gloucester south...
Heh, you must not have driven it recently! :-D Just drove up to Gloucester today and was stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic the whole way, most of which continued on past where I turned off for Gloucester C.H. And recently when I drove up US-17 to Fredericksburg, I remember the road being pretty clogged with traffic the whole way... thus I now take I-95 every time. It's faster due to less traffic.
Quote from: geoking111I-89 Since many other turnpikes have interstate status, I think Florida's Turnpike should also receive an interestate number. (as long as it is up to interstate standards) Since there are no numbers left between 75 and 95, i would duplicate I-89. The northern I-89 would be quite far from the southern I-89. Additionally, the northern I-89 is a minor interstate that doesn't travel to many populated areas. The northern I-89 doesn't even touch I-95, so there would be no confusion. I would also make some of florida's other toll roads into 3dis.
One problem with this: Existing turnpikes with interstate designation were grandfathered in. New toll roads cannot be interstates, and existing interstates cannot be toll roads. And I believe it is preferred for new 2dis to actually go
inter-state. ;-)
Well it's not bad enough to upgrade it to interstate standards, but I guess sometimes it can get pretty backed up. But all roads do sometimes.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on February 08, 2009, 04:53:04 PM
Quote from: froggie on February 07, 2009, 11:02:12 PM
QuoteYeah, I must agree... US-17 could use an upgrade here in VA too.
Only from about Gloucester south...
Heh, you must not have driven it recently! :-D Just drove up to Gloucester today and was stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic the whole way, most of which continued on past where I turned off for Gloucester C.H. And recently when I drove up US-17 to Fredericksburg, I remember the road being pretty clogged with traffic the whole way... thus I now take I-95 every time. It's faster due to less traffic.
Quote from: geoking111I-89 Since many other turnpikes have interstate status, I think Florida's Turnpike should also receive an interestate number. (as long as it is up to interstate standards) Since there are no numbers left between 75 and 95, i would duplicate I-89. The northern I-89 would be quite far from the southern I-89. Additionally, the northern I-89 is a minor interstate that doesn't travel to many populated areas. The northern I-89 doesn't even touch I-95, so there would be no confusion. I would also make some of florida's other toll roads into 3dis.
One problem with this: Existing turnpikes with interstate designation were grandfathered in. New toll roads cannot be interstates, and existing interstates cannot be toll roads. And I believe it is preferred for new 2dis to actually go inter-state. ;-)
If that was true, then why are they proposing I-7 (I-9?), I-41 and I-3?
Quote from: geoking111 on February 08, 2009, 01:19:14 PM
I-89 Since many other turnpikes have interstate status, I think Florida's Turnpike should also receive an interestate number. (as long as it is up to interstate standards) Since there are no numbers left between 75 and 95, i would duplicate I-89. The northern I-89 would be quite far from the southern I-89. Additionally, the northern I-89 is a minor interstate that doesn't travel to many populated areas. The northern I-89 doesn't even touch I-95, so there would be no confusion. I would also make some of florida's other toll roads into 3dis.
If it were possible to designate Florida's Turnpike, it would be cool to designate it Interstate 91. For one, that number would fit into the current system like your Interstate 89 would. Second, the Turnpike is silently designated as Florida 91, so Interstate 91 could be a more feasible number. Either designation will never happen though, but its always nice to dream...
I-7/9 would be CA/Old US 99 from Wheeler Ridge (the South end) to Sacramento via the Central Valley.
A couple of new proposals:
1) extend I-30 NW from Little Rock, AR via US67, hooking up with I-55 in Missouri around I-155 or I-57. this would help the extreme truck traffic on I-40 between Little Rock and Memphis
2) create I-18 heading SE from Jackson, MS (I-20/I-55 vicinity) along US 49 to Hattiesburg, then US 98 to Mobile, AL and perhaps a new crossing of Mobile bay and ending at I-10 east of Mobile. this would help I-20 traffic getting to Florida w/o having to fight thru Atlanta and also shorter route
3) extend I-49 southeast of I-10 along US 90 to I-10 in New Orleans. would provide a much needed alternate way in and out of the city.
4) complete TN 385 around Memphis as I-640 providing an outer beltway on north and east sides and additional Miss River crossing
5) extend I-540 from Bentonville, AR to Kansas City, via US 71, perhaps connecting to I-29 and renaming it I-29
I also concur with
1) extend I-45 from Dallas to Tulsa via US 75
2) upgrade US 290 from Houston to Austin to I-?
3) extend I-40 in CA from I-15 to I-5 via CA 58
4) upgrade CA99 to I-9
5) upgrade CA 14 from I-5 to CA 58 as I-705
Quote from: Gridlock on February 09, 2009, 11:31:52 PM
A couple of new proposals:
[...]
5) extend I-540 from Bentonville, AR to Kansas City, via US 71, perhaps connecting to I-29 and renaming it I-29
Not a particularly
new idea.. the eventual plan for I-540 is to extend it north to Kansas City and south to Shreveport and call the whole mess I-49.
Quote from: Gridlock on February 09, 2009, 11:31:52 PM
A couple of new proposals:
1) extend I-30 NW from Little Rock, AR via US67, hooking up with I-55 in Missouri around I-155 or I-57. this would help the extreme truck traffic on I-40 between Little Rock and Memphis
2) create I-18 heading SE from Jackson, MS (I-20/I-55 vicinity) along US 49 to Hattiesburg, then US 98 to Mobile, AL and perhaps a new crossing of Mobile bay and ending at I-10 east of Mobile. this would help I-20 traffic getting to Florida w/o having to fight thru Atlanta and also shorter route
3) extend I-49 southeast of I-10 along US 90 to I-10 in New Orleans. would provide a much needed alternate way in and out of the city.
4) complete TN 385 around Memphis as I-640 providing an outer beltway on north and east sides and additional Miss River crossing
5) extend I-540 from Bentonville, AR to Kansas City, via US 71, perhaps connecting to I-29 and renaming it I-29
I also concur with
1) extend I-45 from Dallas to Tulsa via US 75
2) upgrade US 290 from Houston to Austin to I-?
3) extend I-40 in CA from I-15 to I-5 via CA 58
4) upgrade CA99 to I-9
5) upgrade CA 14 from I-5 to CA 58 as I-705
1) extend I-30 NW from Little Rock, AR via US67, hooking up with I-55 in Missouri around I-155 or I-57. this would help the extreme truck traffic on I-40 between Little Rock and Memphis: This has been proposed for years. And by the way, you did mean NE, didn't ya?? ;)
3) extend I-49 southeast of I-10 along US 90 to I-10 in New Orleans. would provide a much needed alternate way in and out of the city: This is actually another project that is in the works. Several sections of US 90 have been upgraded to interstate standards and has been dubbed a I-49 extension corridor.
4) complete TN 385 around Memphis as I-640 providing an outer beltway on north and east sides and additional Miss River crossing: Also being built, but will be designated Interstate 269 once completed and once it is extended south and southwesterly into MS to connect with Interstate 69 at Interstate 55.
5) extend I-540 from Bentonville, AR to Kansas City, via US 71, perhaps connecting to I-29 and renaming it I-29: Also has been previously planned as an I-49 northern extension but will not happen for at least a decade or two, if ever.
Froggie: Isn't TN 385 part of the future Interstate 269?
I like the idea of extending I-30 NE of Little Rock. It should be extended to I-55 and then absorb I-155's route ending at I-69 in Dyersburg, TN.
Quote from: froggie on February 10, 2009, 06:32:35 PM
Quote1) extend I-30 NW from Little Rock, AR via US67, hooking up with I-55 in Missouri around I-155 or I-57. this would help the extreme truck traffic on I-40 between Little Rock and Memphis
Most of that I-40 truck traffic is continuing east into Tennessee, so your I-30 proposal would be of limited benefit to Little Rock-Memphis traffic.
Personally, I'd rather that that extension of US 67 from Little Rock northeastward become I-53, and I-30 multiplexed with I-40 east to Memphis, then rerouted over I-55, I-240 and the currently proposed I-22 to Birmingham. If you really want to dream, you could reroute I-20 from Meridian along the proposed I-85 "extension" to Montgomery and then along I-85 to Atlanta..but that would be quite a stretch.
QuoteQuote2) create I-18 heading SE from Jackson, MS (I-20/I-55 vicinity) along US 49 to Hattiesburg, then US 98 to Mobile, AL and perhaps a new crossing of Mobile bay and ending at I-10 east of Mobile. this would help I-20 traffic getting to Florida w/o having to fight thru Atlanta and also shorter route
Two notes:
First, most through traffic between Jackson and Hattiesburg is continuing south to the Mississippi Gulf Coast...not southeast to Mobile. So a Jackson-Gulfport Interstate would be more feasible, and is also proposed by MDOT (I'd personally number it I-155).
Second, that "I-20 traffic not having to fight through Atlanta" is part of the reason why the "I-85 Extension" in western Alabama is being pursued. Nevermind that anyone who has half a clue how to read a map can see that there are plenty of adequate routes to follow to avoid Atlanta that do not require Interstate shields.
I would agree with Froggie on the greater importance of a Jackson-MSG interstate along US 49....and besides, isn't Mobile getting the proposed West Alabama tollway going to Muscle Shoals already?
And..see my last statement on the I-85 "extension".
QuoteQuote3) extend I-49 southeast of I-10 along US 90 to I-10 in New Orleans. would provide a much needed alternate way in and out of the city.
Which would work better as either an I-10 relocation (my idea) or as I-6 (Darkangel's idea).
Which would only work if the Lafayette Metro Xpressway toll outer loop is built from I-10 near Scott/Duson southeastward to US 90/Future I-49 South near Youngsville. Otherwise, I'd rather keep as I-49 for continuity's sake.
QuoteQuote4) complete TN 385 around Memphis as I-640 providing an outer beltway on north and east sides and additional Miss River crossing
TN 385 is in the process of being completed (minus a new river crossing...but two of those are being proposed elsewhere). However, you'll have to find a new number because I-640 already exists in Tennessee (Knoxville area).
The Barret Pkwy and Collierville-Arlington Pkwy segments of TN 385, as Froggie mentioned, will be integrated into I-269. The remaining sections could become part of a proposed Memphis-Huntsville-Atlanta interstate, but that is mostly a pipe dream.
And the bridge across the Mississippi in Memphis would probably be proposed as part of a realigned I-55 rather than a full loop around Memphis/Tunica.
QuoteQuote5) extend I-540 from Bentonville, AR to Kansas City, via US 71, perhaps connecting to I-29 and renaming it I-29
Proposed as an I-49 extension.
Generally a done deal, only awaiting the funding.
Anthony
"I think Reno to Las Vegas would be an important link as well as Fort Worth to Denver via Amarillo."
We already have a nice lnterstate link from Denver to the Metroplex: It's called I-70 to I-135 to I-35 :) I-70 has the added benefit of having an AADT of less than 15K from the Strasburg exit (310) to I-135 (a distance of more than 390 miles).
Even if you have to see Amarillo on the way :-D, there's already an alternate route: I-25 to US87 to Amarillo. Only the part from I-25 to Clayton, NM is not already four-laned, and I'll bet you'll find that NMSHTD is more willing to get that stretch of road four-laned than CDOT is willing to four-lane US287.
I-11 really needs to get built.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2017, 04:33:27 PM
I-11 really needs to get built.
Isn't it already in the process of
getting built? :confused:
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on April 22, 2017, 05:37:23 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2017, 04:33:27 PM
I-11 really needs to get built.
Isn't it already in the process of getting built? :confused:
Sorry, I am really out of the loop.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2017, 05:43:13 PM
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on April 22, 2017, 05:37:23 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2017, 04:33:27 PM
I-11 really needs to get built.
Isn't it already in the process of getting built? :confused:
Sorry, I am really out of the loop.
Well, this is as a good place as anyway to get back into the
beltway loop! :nod:
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on April 22, 2017, 05:47:34 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2017, 05:43:13 PM
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on April 22, 2017, 05:37:23 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2017, 04:33:27 PM
I-11 really needs to get built.
Isn't it already in the process of getting built? :confused:
Sorry, I am really out of the loop.
Well, this is as a good place as anyway to get back into the beltway loop! :nod:
Yeah, I used to be really into roads, but I fell out until joining this forum.
Since Roadgeekteen revived this 8 year old thread, I read through it.
I notice NO ONE proposed any Interstate along the I-2 corridor or the proposed(?) I-14 corridor in Texas. Hmmm....
They need to build an Interstate running along US 60 in Missouri, from the I-55/I-57 interchange to Springfield.
Along Broadway in NYC.
Quote from: NE2 on April 24, 2017, 09:44:27 AM
Along Broadway in NYC.
With direct connections to the 495 across Manhattan.
Quote from: ColossalBlocks on April 24, 2017, 09:04:19 AM
They need to build an Interstate running along US 60 in Missouri, from the I-55/I-57 interchange to Springfield.
US-60 is just fine the way it is, now that it's four lanes all the way between those two points. I really don't see freeway-izing it being much of an improvement.
I think its time to start talks about an Interstate for the Delmarva Peninsula. US-13 is consistently overcrowded, especially during the summer months with traffic trying to access VA Beach and Outer Banks.
Quote from: kphoger on April 24, 2017, 02:49:48 PM
Quote from: ColossalBlocks on April 24, 2017, 09:04:19 AM
They need to build an Interstate running along US 60 in Missouri, from the I-55/I-57 interchange to Springfield.
US-60 is just fine the way it is, now that it's four lanes all the way between those two points. I really don't see freeway-izing it being much of an improvement.
I have experience with that part of 60...and it absolutely doesn't need an upgrade, as much as I would (have) liked one to happen. In fact, it almost seems like an Interstate at points (especially closer to Springfield). I've talked to locals about it, and a significant majority wants nothing to be done [to U.S. 60]. :cool:
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 24, 2017, 08:22:15 PM
I think its time to start talks about an Interstate for the Delmarva Peninsula. US-13 is consistently overcrowded, especially during the summer months with traffic trying to access VA Beach and Outer Banks.
In my opinion, 97 should become 995 so 97 can be used for this peninsula.
Since this old thread is back, IMHO:
- I don't really care about the numbering plan. We have 1000 "fictional highways" threads that are born not really of societal needs but some desire to make the numbers work out.
- I don't really care about renumbering US or state routes, or named toll roads, that are de facto interstates already. Yes, there are people who do all of their inter-regional travel on interstates only, even when a different route makes more sense. These are called dumb people.
So, thus, to me, the question is looking at the USA of the mid 50s to early 60s, when the interstates were mostly mapped out, and the USA of today, how is it different? In other words, if you were starting from scratch today, how would the system be different?
Obviously the major differences are that the nation has moved south and west, and seems now to be moving up into the Rockies (time will tell), included as a part of this is a much greater population along the southern coasts. And suburbs have grown, some so large that the city's beltway or bypass has become urbanized and no longer serves the original purpose of allowing thru traffic to bypass the congested urbanized area totally.
Therefore:
- I-10 somewhere just west of Jacksonville to I-75 near Gainesville.
- Extension of I-20 to Myrtle Beach.
- A new interstate east of I-95 starting north of Savannah through Charleston, Myrtle Beach, Wilmington, Jacksonville, Greenville, ending in Norfolk.
- A further out bypass of Atlanta, DFW, Nashville (N-S) and Washington-Baltimor allowing the thru motorist to expect to cruise at or above the SL without encounting urban traffic.
- Kingman AZ to Las Vegas.
- Fort Myers to Orlando.
- Montgomery to I-10 about midway between Tallahassee and Pensacola.
- Houston to Brownsville.
- Norfolk to Dover via Ocean City and Lewes.
Quote from: SP Cook on April 25, 2017, 12:04:42 PM
Since this old thread is back, IMHO:
...I-10 somewhere just west of Jacksonville to I-75 near Gainesville...
What do you mean by this?
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on April 25, 2017, 01:43:48 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 25, 2017, 12:04:42 PM
Since this old thread is back, IMHO:
...I-10 somewhere just west of Jacksonville to I-75 near Gainesville...
What do you mean by this?
Probably because there's more land around the US 301 corridor, and having it radiate directly from the Jacksonville area would destroy homes/neighborhoods/businesses. Something that ties into FL 23 might work.
Starke would need a bypass. There's not much to bypass Waldo and Lawtey, but they'd probably get one too. How to get it to go around Gainesville (likely skirting the southern city borders via FL 331 - ??? - FL 24) would be the tricky part.
A few off the top of my head:
(1) US 395 between Kennewick and Ritzville, WA.
(2) CA 58 between I-5 nr. Buttonwillow, CA and I-15 at Barstow (duh!)
(3) Either US 290 or TX 71 between Austin and Houston or Columbus, TX
(4) US 24 between Ft. Wayne, IN and Toledo, OH
(5a) US 80 between Cuba, AL and Montgomery, AL
(5b) US 80/GA 96 between I-85 and Macon, GA
(6a) US 74 between I-26 and I-85, NC
(6b) US 74 between Charlotte and Rockingham, NC
The OP did specify need, not want, right? Just filling in gaps on potential projects not yet on the proposed Interstate radar. Question: why isn't this thread in Fictional?
Quote from: sparker on April 25, 2017, 09:47:26 PM
The OP did specify need, not want, right? Just filling in gaps on potential projects not yet on the proposed Interstate radar. Question: why isn't this thread in Fictional?
Probably because it was created on the fourth day of the forum's existence.
Quote from: 1 on April 25, 2017, 09:53:31 PM
Quote from: sparker on April 25, 2017, 09:47:26 PM
The OP did specify need, not want, right? Just filling in gaps on potential projects not yet on the proposed Interstate radar. Question: why isn't this thread in Fictional?
Probably because it was created on the fourth day of the forum's existence.
Damn good reason! At this juncture, if the mods want to move it after 8 years (or not), no issue!
One that I haven't seen mentioned yet is creating a Denver-Dallas link via Oklahoma City
Quote from: Broadway Extension on April 26, 2017, 12:18:35 AM
One that I haven't seen mentioned yet is creating a Denver-Dallas link via Oklahoma City
Since I-35/35E provides a direct OKC-Dallas link, wouldn't that simply be a Denver-OKC link? That's been discussed at length in regional and/or fictional threads; whether there's a need that isn't addressed by a 70/135/35/35E routing hasn't, AFAIK, been definitely determined as of yet.
Quote from: sparker on April 25, 2017, 09:47:26 PM
A few off the top of my head:
(1) US 395 between Kennewick and Ritzville, WA.
(2) CA 58 between I-5 nr. Buttonwillow, CA and I-15 at Barstow (duh!)
(3) Either US 290 or TX 71 between Austin and Houston or Columbus, TX
(4) US 24 between Ft. Wayne, IN and Toledo, OH
(5a) US 80 between Cuba, AL and Montgomery, AL
(5b) US 80/GA 96 between I-85 and Macon, GA
(6a) US 74 between I-26 and I-85, NC
(6b) US 74 between Charlotte and Rockingham, NC
The OP did specify need, not want, right? Just filling in gaps on potential projects not yet on the proposed Interstate radar. Question: why isn't this thread in Fictional?
a link between Macon and I-85 is interesting, not really proposed that much.
Quote from: formulanone on April 25, 2017, 04:41:58 PM
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on April 25, 2017, 01:43:48 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on April 25, 2017, 12:04:42 PM
Since this old thread is back, IMHO:
...I-10 somewhere just west of Jacksonville to I-75 near Gainesville...
What do you mean by this?
Probably because there's more land around the US 301 corridor, and having it radiate directly from the Jacksonville area would destroy homes/neighborhoods/businesses. Something that ties into FL 23 might work.
Starke would need a bypass. There's not much to bypass Waldo and Lawtey, but they'd probably get one too. How to get it to go around Gainesville (likely skirting the southern city borders via FL 331 - ??? - FL 24) would be the tricky part.
Do you mean it would start west of Jacksonville instead of in Jax itself?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 26, 2017, 08:03:41 AM
a link between Macon and I-85 is interesting, not really proposed that much.
Actually, that corridor's been on the radar (as High Priority Corridor #6) since the '91 ISTEA legislation. The GA portion, largely GA 96, which parallels US 80 several miles to the south, has been improved over the past couple of decades to expressway standards under the GRIP (GA's interregional highway improvement plan) aegis. Not much has been done in AL, though, as it seems the Montgomery Outer Loop, the sole active project on this corridor in that state, has just been officially "back-burnered" due to fiscal shortfall and/or state re-prioritization. It's unlikely that any east-west corridor along or paralleling US 80 will be addressed beyond what's already on the ground until such time as discretionary funds become available for such things (and I wouldn't hold my breath!).
Quote from: GaryV on April 22, 2017, 06:19:48 PM
Since Roadgeekteen revived this 8 year old thread, I read through it.
I notice NO ONE proposed any Interstate along the I-2 corridor or the proposed(?) I-14 corridor in Texas. Hmmm....
That's because it was deemed unnecessary by, well...everyone.
Also, I might add:
State governments- "One continuous I-69 may be nice in the future but is not feasible now."
Texas- "ONE I-69? Hold my beer."
I-435 in Des Moines on the 5/65 Beltway
I-37 on the Avenue of the Saints between Mason City/Clear Lake and St. Louis (renumber 37 in Texas)
Reroute 80 onto 280 and 74 onto 80 in the QC, and make 74 into 174.
Extend the Sioux City beltway into South Dakota and make it I-429
I agree with NE 2, make it I-329
Quote from: WhitePoleRD on May 03, 2017, 10:28:32 AM
I-435 in Des Moines on the 5/65 Beltway
This is already a full freeway. Why does it need to be an Interstate?
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2017, 12:49:09 PM
Quote from: WhitePoleRD on May 03, 2017, 10:28:32 AM
I-435 in Des Moines on the 5/65 Beltway
This is already a full freeway. Why does it need to be an Interstate?
Why can it not become an interstate? The interstate is a national system, if it fits it's fine.
I'm not fully convinced that this is *needed* but enough of the route is already at interstate standard or in the process of becoming interstate standard that it might be worth finishing it off.
I-67 from I-65 at Bowling Green, KY, via the Natcher Parkway to Owensboro, KY; via US 231 to Scotland, IN; via I-69 to Indianapolis, IN; via US 31 to Holland, MI; via I-169 to Grand Rapids, MI, at I-96
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 03, 2017, 01:32:44 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 03, 2017, 12:49:09 PM
Quote from: WhitePoleRD on May 03, 2017, 10:28:32 AM
I-435 in Des Moines on the 5/65 Beltway
This is already a full freeway. Why does it need to be an Interstate?
Why can it not become an interstate? The interstate is a national system, if it fits it's fine.
OK, then...
ALL freeways.
On Phillyroads.com I found a page talking about the crossings from Cape May-Lewis and Sea Breeze-Woodland Beach. Now I understand that the areas where highways would have to be formed are rural, but the potential the surrounding land has, and more access freeing up I-95 traffic and also creating roads. http://www.phillyroads.com/crossings/delaware-bay/
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 03, 2017, 02:09:00 PM
I'm not fully convinced that this is *needed* but enough of the route is already at interstate standard or in the process of becoming interstate standard that it might be worth finishing it off.
I-67 from I-65 at Bowling Green, KY, via the Natcher Parkway to Owensboro, KY; via US 231 to Scotland, IN; via I-69 to Indianapolis, IN; via US 31 to Holland, MI; via I-169 to Grand Rapids, MI, at I-96
Congratulations! You've just passed the test for spokesperson for the Mayor of Owensboro! (he's been touting that very concept for several years now!) Personally, I don't think there's much of a chance that, despite the freeway or near-freeway portion south of I-64, an Interstate would be developed along US 231 from Owensboro to I-69; doesn't serve enough of a population base (but don't tell the Mayor that!) to warrant the expense. I'm just surprised that he (or one of his in-state KY cohorts) hasn't suggested something like I-63 for the combination of the Natcher and Audubon parkways, of course connected by Bypass 60 around Owensboro. With some upgrading, US 231 could conceivably be an x63 as far north as I-64 -- but that's about as far as that concept would get. I know there are nascent plans for 3di's along both parkways; just wonder how a potential 2di designation got past his attention (given his past record!) Maybe in shooting for a home run he forgot that you can also help your team with a single!
I still want to see an interstate, or at least a dedicated, four-lane, divided , high speed corridor between east-central Utah (I-70/Moab/Green River area) and Flagstaff, AZ that also heads northwest to SLC.
Current traffic counts probaby do not warrant it, but if built, I could see it draw more traffic if it avoids having long-distance traffic use the longer I-25/I-40 route between Denver and Flagstaff or I-25/I-10 route between Denver and Phoenix/Tucson.
Quote from: thenetwork on May 03, 2017, 10:07:46 PM
I still want to see an interstate, or at least a dedicated, four-lane, divided , high speed corridor between east-central Utah (I-70/Moab/Green River area) and Flagstaff, AZ that also heads northwest to SLC.
Current traffic counts probaby do not warrant it, but if built, I could see it draw more traffic if it avoids having long-distance traffic use the longer I-25/I-40 route between Denver and Flagstaff or I-25/I-10 route between Denver and Phoenix/Tucson.
I'm not seeing a route that doesn't plow through any of the many national and state parks and monuments in the region or the Navaho or Hopi reservations.
We need one in the Delmarva, but many of us veterans here know that is impossible, especially Virginia on its eastern shore.
From Harrisburg to Williamsport in PA, as the Greater Buffalo and Rochester areas could use a more direct link to the south including some Mid Atlantic areas like Baltimore, Washington, and Northern VA. That would allow continuous travel between those two regions that currently have none.
Quote from: sparker on April 25, 2017, 09:47:26 PM
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(4) US 24 between Ft. Wayne, IN and Toledo, OH
...
The "Port to Fort" (or was it "Fort to Port") upgrade that opened a few years back is quite sufficient whenever I've been through there. (Except for the traffic light at the west end. Why no full intersection?) Some sections are full freeway; others are divided with 65 mph speed limits.