How are Interstate Shields designed and posted On Canadian or Mexican BBS/BGS.
Here's one in Alberta
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corcohighways.org%2Fi15alta.jpg&hash=39e33b1026d5d9cba76d8ad43083e1820e5c1507)
Quote from: mapman1071 on February 26, 2013, 10:54:55 PM
How are Interstate Shields designed and posted On Canadian or Mexican BBS/BGS.
Cheap Mexican labor.
Quebec does pretty well.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fqc%2Fa-20%2Fe53.jpg&hash=699f5908a8702ef89918a92a48899fe29ab1eeb6)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fqc%2Fa-15%2Fsdist.jpg&hash=21eba1fa1efbc9bb7ecd749206e998b4a1202120)
Quote from: corco on February 26, 2013, 11:01:55 PM
Here's one in Alberta
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corcohighways.org%2Fi15alta.jpg&hash=39e33b1026d5d9cba76d8ad43083e1820e5c1507)
Dear God, that's awful.
Anywho,
http://goo.gl/maps/LYxSv
BBS in BC.
http://goo.gl/maps/enKxR
Here's some BC shields on I-5.
(https://www.aaroads.com/west/washington005/i-005_nb_exit_275_03.jpg)
I disagree with Québec doing it "pretty well." They usually apply their own standard of using Series EM on BGS shields, which makes the shield look awful (it should be D.) Exceptions exist though: most of the I-87 shields on A-30 in Saint-Constant, and a few I-89 shields on A-30 WB in Brossard.
I don't think this is a bad rendition, though I am not much of a font observer:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asphaltplanet.ca%2FON%2Fhwy_401_images%2F401_dv_660-5_east.jpg&hash=68ba9831981a6a18846c0ad8a451755cce0d6862)
Quote from: Steve on February 27, 2013, 06:06:12 PM
Quebec does pretty well.
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(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fqc%2Fa-15%2Fsdist.jpg&hash=21eba1fa1efbc9bb7ecd749206e998b4a1202120)
Now if they learned to spell the name "Plattsburgh"....
Come to think of it, why does Canada use the FHWA font anyway? Or does it just look similar? :P
Quote from: Roadsguy on February 28, 2013, 08:17:16 AM
Come to think of it, why does Canada use the FHWA font anyway? Or does it just look similar? :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FHWA_Series_fonts
Australia, New Zealand, Peru, and Taiwan also use it.
I don't really have an answer as to why, but I'm guessing they thought it was the most appropriate font to use on their signs.
Quote from: KEK Inc. on February 28, 2013, 01:13:46 PM
I don't really have an answer as to why, but I'm guessing they thought it was the most appropriate font to use on their signs.
as do Chile and Argentina. or, if not exactly that, then something really close. closer than, say, Michigan custom, for sure.
QuoteI don't really have an answer as to why, but I'm guessing they thought it was the most appropriate font to use on their signs.
yep.
now can someone explain Arialveticverstesk to me? I figure it exists for the same reason that mosquitoes exist, but that doesn't make it a valid choice for anything; especially not highway signs.
Ontario usually does a good job with the Interstate shield.
New Brunswick uses Helvetica on both Interstate and U.S. shields, probably due to their own shields using that font.
The Netherlands also uses the FHWA fonts (or a variant thereof.) Québec jumped on the Clearview bandwagon; they even ended the experimental period and made it official.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 27, 2013, 11:48:39 PMNow if they learned to spell the name "Plattsburgh"....
That error has since been corrected.
Here's an I-5 shield along Mexico 2 in Tijuana:
https://www.aaroads.com/west/bca/i-5_san_diego_overhead.jpg
There's also another I-5 shield as far south as Ensenada along northbound Mexico 1:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=ensenada+mexico&hl=en&ll=31.904084,-116.725423&spn=0.004918,0.026071&safe=active&hnear=Ensenada+Municipality,+Baja+California,+Mexico&gl=us&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=31.904092,-116.725434&panoid=beLhJhqsEF6PW1g3VSJe8Q&cbp=11,280.56,,1,-3.19
Quote from: agentsteel53 on February 28, 2013, 01:16:52 PM
now can someone explain Arialveticverstesk to me? I figure it exists for the same reason that mosquitoes exist, but that doesn't make it a valid choice for anything; especially not highway signs.
Helvetica was designed in 1957, and back then it was considered ultra modern. It was heavily used in the 60s, and since then has been a staple of graphic design. This means two things: a) it's often a default system font, so people that don't know better use it for the same reasons your office is filled with documents set in Calibri and/or Times New Roman, and b) general graphic designers that do not have road sign experience reach for it out of habit.
Quote from: FreewayDan on February 28, 2013, 11:53:45 PM
There's also another I-5 shield as far south as Ensenada along northbound Mexico 1:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=ensenada+mexico&hl=en&ll=31.904084,-116.725423&spn=0.004918,0.026071&safe=active&hnear=Ensenada+Municipality,+Baja+California,+Mexico&gl=us&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=31.904092,-116.725434&panoid=beLhJhqsEF6PW1g3VSJe8Q&cbp=11,280.56,,1,-3.19
Distant trailblazers, anyone???
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on February 27, 2013, 11:07:02 PM
I don't think this is a bad rendition, though I am not much of a font observer:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asphaltplanet.ca%2FON%2Fhwy_401_images%2F401_dv_660-5_east.jpg&hash=68ba9831981a6a18846c0ad8a451755cce0d6862)
The predecesor to that sign listed "Interstate 81" written out in all text.
If memory serves correctly, farther up ON 401 is a "To US 37" shield referring to NY Route 37.
Quote from: upstatenyroads on March 02, 2013, 06:39:12 PM
If memory serves correctly, farther up ON 401 is a "To US 37" shield referring to NY Route 37.
On RR2 in Johnstown:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg13.imageshack.us%2Fimg13%2F6356%2Fimg1644h.jpg&hash=5b7e5a6e9ed03918ff445a434524aa1ef777f84f)
The following sign has it more or less correct, although they've stuck the black background on a BGS:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg21.imageshack.us%2Fimg21%2F1685%2Fimg1645xa.jpg&hash=8cd9e824a969d074a551e5c946217c523462f680)
Quote from: upstatenyroads on March 02, 2013, 06:39:12 PM
The predecesor to that sign listed "Interstate 81" written out in all text.
If memory serves correctly, farther up ON 401 is a "To US 37" shield referring to NY Route 37.
I don't remember the 'Interstate 81' era. Courtesy Doug, this is the oldest iteration I remember:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dougtone/4118725290/in/set-72157622714179007 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dougtone/4118725290/in/set-72157622714179007)
On the 401, all the US-37 shields have been replaced with NY-37 signs. NY-37 was signed with a King's crown at the westbound ramp terminal for a while as well. This sign has also been replaced:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thekingshighway.ca%2FPHOTOS%2Fhwy401-556_lg.jpg&hash=29ba758329b1743b387818ad212ee9e3cfa17bc0)
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on February 27, 2013, 11:07:02 PM
I don't think this is a bad rendition, though I am not much of a font observer:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asphaltplanet.ca%2FON%2Fhwy_401_images%2F401_dv_660-5_east.jpg&hash=68ba9831981a6a18846c0ad8a451755cce0d6862)
They did a good job with the I-81 shield. But why don't they show an actual control city like Syracuse or Watertown instead of just "To U.S.A."? This is as bad as signs in Chicago using Iowa, Wisconsin, or Indiana as control cities. It's as if they're saying, "Nothing worthwhile at this exit. Just keep moving, folks".
That's exactly what they're saying. Ontario isn't exactly big on out-of-province destinations. ON 16 even continues south to RR 2 instead of going over the Ogdensburg Bridge (which is what all the through traffic does), and before being downloaded in Cornwall, ON 138 did the same with the Seaway Bridge. Though this made a bit more sense before ON 2 was downloaded, but still, on the NY side all these bridges have state highway designations (thought he Seaway Bridge is just a reference route; Ogdensburg is NY 812).
To be fair, the signs for US destinations in Montreal aren't exactly specific either–I recall them all saying "U.S.A.," "New York" (presumably meaning the state; one sign said "New-York" instead), or "Vermont." I don't remember the signs in Quebec City because it's been 29 years since I was last there, but I've seen pictures of the signs there simply saying "Maine."
Just off the top of my head, I wonder if part of the theory for using "U.S.A." instead of, say, "Syracuse NY" is to underscore to the motorist that he will be crossing an international border and must go through Customs? Just a thought that has no factual basis. (Of course it's the driver's responsibility to know such things, but we all know some people will be surprised to learn there's a border there.)
OTOH, the crossings in the Niagara Frontier of New York, and in Michigan for Ontario simply sign the crossing as "Canada" as well
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on March 03, 2013, 01:15:15 PM
OTOH, the crossings in the Niagara Frontier of New York, and in Michigan for Ontario simply sign the crossing as "Canada" as well
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I recall I-81 north of either Syracuse or Watertown being signed with a control "city" of Canada (compare to I-87 in the same state, which uses Montreal as the control city with no further designation of province or country). I suppose there isn't really any logical control city in either New York or Canada at that northern end of I-81.
QuoteJust off the top of my head, I wonder if part of the theory for using "U.S.A." instead of, say, "Syracuse NY" is to underscore to the motorist that he will be crossing an international border and must go through Customs? Just a thought that has no factual basis. (Of course it's the driver's responsibility to know such things, but we all know some people will be surprised to learn there's a border there.)
I think that might be it- The control city in Idaho for the Canadian border is "Canada," with more specific Creston/Eastport signage at the US-95/Idaho 1 junction. Mileage signs exist for Creston, Cranbrook, and Junction BC 3 though. In BC, same thing- there's no signage for Bonner's Ferry or Sandpoint.
Alberta calls the USA- U.S.A. Border but there are mileage signs for Great Falls. Montana uses Lethbridge as the control city on their side of the border though.
Washington/BC have a pretty good relationship city-signing wise. There are a couple US Border signs in BC in the west part of the province, but many say "Seattle." Everything in Washington is "Vancouver B.C." and then smaller cities as you move east. The only place I can think of where "Canada" is a control city is on one lone sign on SR 31 north in the far east part of the state.
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on March 03, 2013, 01:15:15 PM
OTOH, the crossings in the Niagara Frontier of New York, and in Michigan for Ontario simply sign the crossing as "Canada" as well
As do the ones in the 1000 Islands. The ones on the Quebec border list destinations in Quebec.
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 03, 2013, 01:38:57 PM
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on March 03, 2013, 01:15:15 PM
OTOH, the crossings in the Niagara Frontier of New York, and in Michigan for Ontario simply sign the crossing as "Canada" as well
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I recall I-81 north of either Syracuse or Watertown being signed with a control "city" of Canada (compare to I-87 in the same state, which uses Montreal as the control city with no further designation of province or country). I suppose there isn't really any logical control city in either New York or Canada at that northern end of I-81.
I would use Ottawa.
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on February 27, 2013, 11:07:02 PM
I don't think this is a bad rendition, though I am not much of a font observer:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asphaltplanet.ca%2FON%2Fhwy_401_images%2F401_dv_660-5_east.jpg&hash=68ba9831981a6a18846c0ad8a451755cce0d6862)
It actually looks similar to a style that Virginia has been using lately.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-IWi0jfGDwIc%2FUSksFvgzpzI%2FAAAAAAAAFfA%2Fn212qM16N6c%2Fs800%2FIMG_0976.JPG&hash=6476c0fda8b746c703b60d0147eb790f39af09ff)
Quote from: vdeane on March 04, 2013, 11:41:23 AM
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on March 03, 2013, 01:15:15 PM
OTOH, the crossings in the Niagara Frontier of New York, and in Michigan for Ontario simply sign the crossing as "Canada" as well
As do the ones in the 1000 Islands. The ones on the Quebec border list destinations in Quebec.
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 03, 2013, 01:38:57 PM
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on March 03, 2013, 01:15:15 PM
OTOH, the crossings in the Niagara Frontier of New York, and in Michigan for Ontario simply sign the crossing as "Canada" as well
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I recall I-81 north of either Syracuse or Watertown being signed with a control "city" of Canada (compare to I-87 in the same state, which uses Montreal as the control city with no further designation of province or country). I suppose there isn't really any logical control city in either New York or Canada at that northern end of I-81.
I would use Ottawa.
One could make a case for Kingston as well. I think the blanket control city for Canada for I-81 north of Watertown works because travelers could be bound for Kingston, Ottawa or even Montreal.
I'm resurrecting this topic... because I found this. I had to post it.
https://goo.gl/maps/AI8SV
It says 'TO' where the 'INTERSTATE' should be and "USA" where a numeral should be.
There is also this from MB 75:
https://goo.gl/maps/9bo1S
Looks like 24" x 24" shield.
Edit: Fixed link.
I think this has since been replaced.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.upstatenyroads.com%2Fassets%2FInterstate81.gif&hash=9b76416508a6aba8f03aae655e8865f5066cdabe)
There used to be one on the Niagarabound QEW at the ON 405 exit. First at ground level in 1984, and then it got moved to the overhead. I do not know what happened, but since the OMT changed the signs to include all border crossings as way to the US, they removed it the last time I checked or when viewing some of your sites with QEW photos taken since 2000.
Quote from: upstatenyroads on June 07, 2015, 02:47:18 PM
I think this has since been replaced.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.upstatenyroads.com%2Fassets%2FInterstate81.gif&hash=9b76416508a6aba8f03aae655e8865f5066cdabe)
Next to that, there used to be a I-81 trailblazer.
https://goo.gl/maps/jKbu5
Gone now.
Edit: Fixed Google link
Quote from: roadman65 on June 07, 2015, 03:02:26 PM
There used to be one on the Niagarabound QEW at the ON 405 exit. First at ground level in 1984, and then it got moved to the overhead. I do not know what happened, but since the OMT changed the signs to include all border crossings as way to the US, they removed it the last time I checked or when viewing some of your sites with QEW photos taken since 2000.
Just because the photo exits:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asphaltplanet.ca%2FON%2Fvintage%2FQEW%2FEarly_1990s%2FQEW_62.jpg&hash=9ce18e414ca7671c1133963035eed3247d1166d4)
Most crossings from Northern Ireland into Ireland say "Metric Speeds Ahead". That's the only indication that you left the country.
Quote from: SignGeek101 on June 06, 2015, 11:33:47 PM
There is also this from MB 75:
http://goo.gl/maps/ZeEBj
Looks like 24" x 24" shield.
Looks like Alberta isn't shy about using Clearview numerals in their shields. But the I-29 shield is FHWA. Must have gotten it from the US.
You mean Manitoba, not Alberta.
Quote from: OracleUsr on June 08, 2015, 09:58:59 PM
You mean Manitoba, not Alberta.
Yes I do. Thanks for the correction.
Quote from: jbnv on June 08, 2015, 09:24:53 PM
Quote from: SignGeek101 on June 06, 2015, 11:33:47 PM
There is also this from MB 75:
http://goo.gl/maps/ZeEBj
Looks like 24" x 24" shield.
Looks like Alberta Manitoba isn't shy about using Clearview numerals in their shields. But the I-29 shield is FHWA. Must have gotten it from the US.
How about this?
http://goo.gl/maps/wp95Z
Alberta and Manitoba sign their shields in Clearview most of the time. Their signing practices are similar:
https://goo.gl/maps/Z6EH9 - Manitoba (note the exit tab)
http://goo.gl/maps/6Xtw7 - Alberta (there are exactly 2 letters/numbers that are in FHWA)
There are exceptions though:
https://goo.gl/maps/lcc5V - Manitoba again
http://goo.gl/maps/ek0yv - Alberta
No province follows the American rules surrounding Clearview. Quebec, Ontario (while they did the trial and quickly went back to FHWA) and Saskatchewan come the closest.
Saskatchewan: http://goo.gl/maps/OCaH3 (Note the directions above the shields. Most Canadian signs put it to the right or below).
Manitoba has the worst signage in Canada IMHO. It's not even the Clearview that much as the style. Look at the second link I posted; no border along the top. There are a few like that around.
Quote from: SignGeek101 on June 09, 2015, 12:12:14 AM
http://goo.gl/maps/6Xtw7 - Alberta (there are exactly 2 letters/numbers that are in FHWA)
http://goo.gl/maps/ek0yv - Alberta
Saskatchewan: http://goo.gl/maps/OCaH3
These links open with a "My Maps" overlay that isn't dismissable.
Quote from: jbnv on June 11, 2015, 04:59:20 AM
Quote from: SignGeek101 on June 09, 2015, 12:12:14 AM
http://goo.gl/maps/6Xtw7 - Alberta (there are exactly 2 letters/numbers that are in FHWA)
http://goo.gl/maps/ek0yv - Alberta
Saskatchewan: http://goo.gl/maps/OCaH3
These links open with a "My Maps" overlay that isn't dismissable.
https://goo.gl/maps/hi0nh - first link
https://goo.gl/maps/rSZbc - second link
https://goo.gl/maps/QABpF -third.
Mexico's signage of it's OWN routes on BGS's is inconsistent. However, the state of Chihuahua has recently started signing "Paisano Routes" to make it easier for expatriates who visit Mexico to find their way back across the border to the U.S. Not on a BGS, but, you gotta give 'em kudo's for using the state name in the shield:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi907.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac274%2Fmartinbartlett%2FI-10_Juarez_zps1zldizdu.png&hash=31a8d69ca1153342ea4022f892d7d9ec7814187d) (http://s907.photobucket.com/user/martinbartlett/media/I-10_Juarez_zps1zldizdu.png.html)
Image Courtesy: Google Street View
Quote from: Molandfreak on June 08, 2015, 10:47:24 PM
Forget the Interstate shield, what's up with that cutout 460 shield?
Dates to around 1990, when US 460 was added to I-85. There are 3 or 4 of them. When going onto I-85 from I-85 southbound, there's a unisign for them, but the rest of the postings between I-95 and US 1 are cutouts like these.