According to this story:
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013/03/turnpike_inc_in_the_what_exit.html
They're in the public domain copyright-wise (since they were published, i.e. posted on road signs, before 1989 without a copyright notice) but trademarked.
PS: I never realized the Turnpike shield was supposed to be a cube in perspective, but that's what the trademark application says: "The mark consists of a three dimensional cube within which the wording "NJ TP TURNPIKE" appears as follows..."
Looks like they're registered the logos in 2011 for T-shirts and hats, beach towels, coffee mugs, key chains and bumper stickers.
As they mention in the article, the MTA has already done this with subway lines. If you go to the gift shop at the Transit Museum in Brooklyn or its annex in Grand Central, they have shirts with all the subway line symbols available for purchase. It surprises me a little that there would be a market for this. Roadgeeks could definitely go for it. I thought that it might be cool to have shirts with interstate shields on them or something like this, but I didn't think that there would be a particularly large percentage of the population that would be interested. I guess that I was wrong.
Quote from: dgolub on March 07, 2013, 08:25:19 AM
As they mention in the article, the MTA has already done this with subway lines. If you go to the gift shop at the Transit Museum in Brooklyn or its annex in Grand Central, they have shirts with all the subway line symbols available for purchase. It surprises me a little that there would be a market for this. Roadgeeks could definitely go for it. I thought that it might be cool to have shirts with interstate shields on them or something like this, but I didn't think that there would be a particularly large percentage of the population that would be interested. I guess that I was wrong.
At least some roadgeeks are multimodal, and are also transit geeks. And there are transit-only geeks that might like this.
Quote from: dgolub on March 07, 2013, 08:25:19 AM
As they mention in the article, the MTA has already done this with subway lines. If you go to the gift shop at the Transit Museum in Brooklyn or its annex in Grand Central, they have shirts with all the subway line symbols available for purchase. It surprises me a little that there would be a market for this. Roadgeeks could definitely go for it. I thought that it might be cool to have shirts with interstate shields on them or something like this, but I didn't think that there would be a particularly large percentage of the population that would be interested. I guess that I was wrong.
I have a chesapeake bay-bridge tunnel magnet and a t-shirt from 2004 still, any road that draws outsiders even if it is as lowly as the turnpike, or as touristy as the parkway gets in the summer, will have a small demand for souvineers, if only to remember being in new jersey, if a tourist only sees the turnpike and one service area when going through the state, why not sell something that people will talk about when they get home?
For me personally, branded merchandise with the NJ Turnpike and Garden State Parkway logos would be a tough sell, because not all of the lettering uses the FHWA alphabet series. I am not sure about the GSP logo, but on the Turnpike logo the large "N" and "J" are specified geometrically and do not correspond to any of the FHWA series.
As long as they have shot glasses, I can add them to my collection...
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 07, 2013, 09:48:45 AM
For me personally, branded merchandise with the NJ Turnpike and Garden State Parkway logos would be a tough sell, because not all of the lettering uses the FHWA alphabet series. I am not sure about the GSP logo, but on the Turnpike logo the large "N" and "J" are specified geometrically and do not correspond to any of the FHWA series.
But the New Jersey Turnpike's logo is perhaps the most-recognizable and most-iconic of the bunch (the only other one that comes close is the Pennsylvania Turnpike's keystone, but in my opinion the keystone is diluted by overuse in other applications, starting with the Pennsylvania state route number shields).
Quote from: SteveG1988 on March 07, 2013, 09:01:54 AM
Quote from: dgolub on March 07, 2013, 08:25:19 AM
As they mention in the article, the MTA has already done this with subway lines. If you go to the gift shop at the Transit Museum in Brooklyn or its annex in Grand Central, they have shirts with all the subway line symbols available for purchase. It surprises me a little that there would be a market for this. Roadgeeks could definitely go for it. I thought that it might be cool to have shirts with interstate shields on them or something like this, but I didn't think that there would be a particularly large percentage of the population that would be interested. I guess that I was wrong.
I have a chesapeake bay-bridge tunnel magnet and a t-shirt from 2004 still, any road that draws outsiders even if it is as lowly as the turnpike, or as touristy as the parkway gets in the summer, will have a small demand for souvineers, if only to remember being in new jersey, if a tourist only sees the turnpike and one service area when going through the state, why not sell something that people will talk about when they get home?
I have seen tee shirts with the N.J. Turnpike logo on them for sale at some of its service plazas.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 07, 2013, 12:17:45 PM
But the New Jersey Turnpike's logo is perhaps the most-recognizable and most-iconic of the bunch (the only other one that comes close is the Pennsylvania Turnpike's keystone, but in my opinion the keystone is diluted by overuse in other applications, starting with the Pennsylvania state route number shields).
the keystone as a state route number shield predates the Turnpike by at least 18 years.
the only change the keystone got was the replacement of the word ROUTE with PENNA in 1940, to correspond with PENNA at the top of the turnpike shield.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 07, 2013, 12:37:04 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 07, 2013, 12:17:45 PM
But the New Jersey Turnpike's logo is perhaps the most-recognizable and most-iconic of the bunch (the only other one that comes close is the Pennsylvania Turnpike's keystone, but in my opinion the keystone is diluted by overuse in other applications, starting with the Pennsylvania state route number shields).
the keystone as a state route number shield predates the Turnpike by at least 18 years.
the only change the keystone got was the replacement of the word ROUTE with PENNA in 1940, to correspond with PENNA at the top of the turnpike shield.
I don't dispute any of the above.
I just feel (and many persons probably disagree with me) that Pennsylvania is way too "in your face" with the darned keystone. In my fantasy world, the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission would have come up with a logo that was not based on the keystone. Not so long ago, PennDOT removed the keystone entirely from its own logo, but it has now returned (see the PennDOT Web site here (http://www.dot.state.pa.us/)).
In the late 1940's or early 1950's, the people that started the New Jersey Turnpike Authority came up with a unique logo that is distinctive, has stood the test of time and is easily identified with the Turnpike and only the Turnpike (even though I disagree with the whole "secret" N.J. Route 700 business).
The toll road logos used by the N.Y. State Thruway, the Massachusetts Turnpike and the Maine Turnpike are pretty good, but not as distinctive (in my opinion) as the N.J. Turnpike.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 07, 2013, 02:25:15 PM
I just feel (and many persons probably disagree with me) that Pennsylvania is way too "in your face" with the darned keystone. In my fantasy world, the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission would have come up with a logo that was not based on the keystone. Not so long ago, PennDOT removed the keystone entirely from its own logo, but it has now returned (see the PennDOT Web site here (http://www.dot.state.pa.us/)).
given that the keystone is the logo of Pennsylvania as a whole (and not just its highways), it made sense for the turnpike authority to use it when it came time to design a logo.
is Kansas identified with the sunflower, or is that just the route marker? because KTA definitely used a shield based on the route markers at the time.
QuoteIn the late 1940's or early 1950's, the people that started the New Jersey Turnpike Authority came up with a unique logo that is distinctive, has stood the test of time and is easily identified with the Turnpike and only the Turnpike
as far as I know, NJ as a whole does not have a logo or symbol that is readily associated with it. thus, the turnpike could create its hexagon out of whole cloth and was given the opportunity to develop it as an independent brand, while at the same time not having people scratching their heads going "why did they make something that was so unrelated to extant New Jersey imagery?"
Quote(even though I disagree with the whole "secret" N.J. Route 700 business).
what's wrong with it? I don't see a problem with having a number for inventory control purposes - see FL-91, NY-912M, etc.
QuoteThe toll road logos used by the N.Y. State Thruway, the Massachusetts Turnpike and the Maine Turnpike are pretty good, but not as distinctive (in my opinion) as the N.J. Turnpike.
I think the Mass. Pike is the most distinct of them all.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/MA/MA19640901i1.jpg)
ouch!!
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 07, 2013, 02:37:29 PMI think the Mass. Pike is the most distinct of them all.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/MA/MA19640901i1.jpg)
ouch!!
I remember the ol' cartoon pilgrim that once adorned the old Mass Pike toll tickets, maps, etc. until the 1970s(?).
BTW, according to one commentary, the reason behind the removal of the arrow through the pilgrim hat was
not due to political correctness but rather, in some instances, motorists mistaking the arrow as a directional pointer in the immediate area. In some instances, the arrow may have been pointing in the different direction than where one actually needed to go or turn.
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 07, 2013, 09:48:45 AM
For me personally, branded merchandise with the NJ Turnpike and Garden State Parkway logos would be a tough sell, because not all of the lettering uses the FHWA alphabet series. I am not sure about the GSP logo, but on the Turnpike logo the large "N" and "J" are specified geometrically and do not correspond to any of the FHWA series.
First of all, wow, that's really, really anal. Second of all, and on-topic, yes, the GSP uses FHWA series, although because it's arranged radially it's not something that can just be specified - the Authority basically provides a grid for the designer to figure out, or copy what someone else has done previously.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 07, 2013, 02:37:29 PMis Kansas identified with the sunflower, or is that just the route marker? because KTA definitely used a shield based on the route markers at the time.
Yes, Kansas is the Sunflower State. The sunflower has been used as a KDOT logo in the past (it is not at present because all state agencies now use a "Kansas 150th" logotype which is strictly controlled through the governor's office), has always been the basis of the state route marker, and has been used on Adopt-A-Highway acknowledgment signs for over a decade now. Both the original KTA "coffin" marker and the present marker use a sunflower motif. Local agencies also use the sunflower extensively as an official logo, particularly in northeast Kansas where "all-Kansas" branding distinguishes them from their counterparts in Missouri.
Quote from: Steve on March 07, 2013, 05:00:22 PMQuote from: J N Winkler on March 07, 2013, 09:48:45 AMFor me personally, branded merchandise with the NJ Turnpike and Garden State Parkway logos would be a tough sell, because not all of the lettering uses the FHWA alphabet series. I am not sure about the GSP logo, but on the Turnpike logo the large "N" and "J" are specified geometrically and do not correspond to any of the FHWA series.
First of all, wow, that's really, really anal.
Yes, it is picky, but it is also my prerogative as a prospective customer to say "No sale" for any reason, or even none at all. I won't buy US 66-themed merchandise that has "ROUTE" in the generic Helvetica-like typeface instead of an appropriate message in the FHWA alphabet series. (I do recognize, however, that generic-font "ROUTE" tat finds a market.) I don't like any toll road marker that does not use the FHWA alphabet series exclusively (thus, I do not even like the Kansas Turnpike marker, since none of the lettering is actually in the FHWA series, though I do like the Pennsylvania Turnpike marker). I even dislike approved symbols that have lettering elements not in the FHWA series (such as the Fastrack logo, the EZ-Pass logo, the 511 logo, etc.) for similar reasons. It dismayed me when British Columbia dropped Series E Modified for route marker digits (which had been used with reasonable frequency in the later part of the "BC Font" era) in favor of Helvetica at around the same time it changed to Clearview for positive-contrast messages.
I also disapprove of toll road markers, such as Texas' new statewide toll road markers, which rely on stretching an existing shield to form a design element in the toll-road shield.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 07, 2013, 02:37:29 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 07, 2013, 02:25:15 PM
The toll road logos used by the N.Y. State Thruway, the Massachusetts Turnpike and the Maine Turnpike are pretty good, but not as distinctive (in my opinion) as the N.J. Turnpike.
I think the Mass. Pike is the most distinct of them all.
The MassPike logo is a good one (with or without the arrow), but I prefer the Jersey Pike's.
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 07, 2013, 05:30:23 PMI do not even like the Kansas Turnpike marker, since none of the lettering is actually in the FHWA series
I'm okay with the old ones because I believe they use "Kansas custom".
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/KS/KS19560351i1.jpg)
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 07, 2013, 05:30:23 PM
I also disapprove of toll road markers, such as Texas' new statewide toll road markers, which rely on stretching an existing shield to form a design element in the toll-road shield.
Can you post a pointer to an example?
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 07, 2013, 05:35:52 PMQuote from: J N Winkler on March 07, 2013, 05:30:23 PMI also disapprove of toll road markers, such as Texas' new statewide toll road markers, which rely on stretching an existing shield to form a design element in the toll-road shield.
Can you post a pointer to an example?
Pages 28-33 in this PDF (3 MB):
Toll signs chapter in
Standard Highway Sign Designs for Texas (http://ftp.dot.state.tx.us/pub/txdot-info/trf/shsd/2012/section_5.pdf)
holy Hell, Texas - what went wrong!?
they used to have some of the coolest sign designs in the country
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/TX/TX19480801i1.jpg)
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 07, 2013, 07:07:11 PMholy Hell, Texas - what went wrong!?
If memory serves, those designs appeared out of the blue in the 2006 edition of the TxMUTCD. I think the precipitating factor was the Katy Freeway reconstruction in Houston. The original plan was to part-finance the work by charging tolls on center express lanes, with TxDOT building the free lanes and HCTRA building the toll lanes. The latter were called the Katy Tollway and were to be signed using the same purple-background county-road pentagon which is used for other HCTRA toll roads (toll road name above a stylized "road arrow" design). All of the major contracts for the Katy Freeway reconstruction were advertised and awarded with signing plans drawn up on this basis.
At some point, someone working for either TxDOT or HCTRA must have decided it would cause unnecessary motorist confusion to have the express lanes signed as if they were part of a completely different freeway, so these "Toll I-10" shields were developed and the signing was amended by change order. The Toll I-10 signs on the reconstructed Katy Freeway look nothing like the signs shown in the as-advertised construction plans.
I think the Toll US shields were developed to accommodate planned toll upgrades of US-route freeways such as US 183 north of Austin, US 281 near San Antonio, US 281 Falfurrias bypass, etc. (The last-listed opened without tolls and is now a member of the I-69 family, but at the time these markers were developed it was thought its construction would have to be toll-financed.)
As an aside, the versions of the shields shown in
SHSD are vanilla. Several tolling authorities in Texas have substituted designs of their own for the flag and "TOLL" in the bottom space. NTTA has a design built around its circle-T logo, while the Central Texas RMA (which operates the SH 183A toll road near Austin) uses a star with a road ribbon. Instead of numbers in the upper part of the shield, NTTA uses facility name abbreviations: PGBT, SRT, etc. I think the vanilla design is used just on the CTTP turnpikes near Austin (SH 1, SH 45, SH 130, etc.) and possibly on SH 255 (the former Camino Colombia toll road) near Laredo.
What's cool IMO about the PA turnpike logo is the state abreveation PENNA. as far as I know it's the only state with a widely accepted 5 letter abreveation.
Also, I have a fair amount of MTA merchandise. My son loves the wooden train cars which come in subway, lirr and metro north type cars. Also he loves the mta subway stop signs especially the 161st street Yankee stadium sign in his room. There is also a Wall Street station sign with the subway lines that service the station. I'll get him that one soon. I guess mta found a way to appeal beyond the traditional road/transit geek like me and rope in sports fans and others.
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 07, 2013, 06:38:24 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 07, 2013, 05:35:52 PMQuote from: J N Winkler on March 07, 2013, 05:30:23 PMI also disapprove of toll road markers, such as Texas' new statewide toll road markers, which rely on stretching an existing shield to form a design element in the toll-road shield.
Can you post a pointer to an example?
Pages 28-33 in this PDF (3 MB):
Toll signs chapter in Standard Highway Sign Designs for Texas (http://ftp.dot.state.tx.us/pub/txdot-info/trf/shsd/2012/section_5.pdf)
I-1635, is that going to be the new outer outer outer DFW beltway?
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 07, 2013, 05:30:23 PM
I also disapprove of toll road markers, such as Texas' new statewide toll road markers, which rely on stretching an existing shield to form a design element in the toll-road shield.
Thanks for posting the link to the images.
Very, very ugly.
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 07, 2013, 05:30:23 PM
Quote from: Steve on March 07, 2013, 05:00:22 PMQuote from: J N Winkler on March 07, 2013, 09:48:45 AMFor me personally, branded merchandise with the NJ Turnpike and Garden State Parkway logos would be a tough sell, because not all of the lettering uses the FHWA alphabet series. I am not sure about the GSP logo, but on the Turnpike logo the large "N" and "J" are specified geometrically and do not correspond to any of the FHWA series.
First of all, wow, that's really, really anal.
Yes, it is picky, but it is also my prerogative as a prospective customer to say "No sale" for any reason, or even none at all.
I'm going out on a limb saying that this reasoning will result in approximately 1 lost sale total.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 08, 2013, 10:44:27 AM
I'm going out on a limb saying that this reasoning will result in approximately 1 lost sale total.
more like 2.
I have bought precisely one Route 66 shot glass in my life, because it had ILLINOIS US 66 all in correct fonts. I'd love to find a handful more but the rest all appear to suck.
Quote from: mc78andrew on March 07, 2013, 10:19:59 PM
What's cool IMO about the PA turnpike logo is the state abreveation PENNA. as far as I know it's the only state with a widely accepted 5 letter abreveation.
Calif.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 08, 2013, 11:16:54 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 08, 2013, 10:44:27 AM
I'm going out on a limb saying that this reasoning will result in approximately 1 lost sale total.
more like 2.
I have bought precisely one Route 66 shot glass in my life, because it had ILLINOIS US 66 all in correct fonts. I'd love to find a handful more but the rest all appear to suck.
Eh, that's reasonable to ignore items that don't match the actual signage. But ignoring items that do match signage because the signs don't use the FHWA font?
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 07, 2013, 02:25:15 PM
The toll road logos used by the N.Y. State Thruway, the Massachusetts Turnpike and the Maine Turnpike are pretty good, but not as distinctive (in my opinion) as the N.J. Turnpike.
I like them all.....but i would see them when i was a kid on a road trip vacation to New England, so they have a special meaning to me....
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IMHO, not a bad looking one in the bunch.....
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 07, 2013, 12:19:33 PM
I have seen tee shirts with the N.J. Turnpike logo on them for sale at some of its service plazas.
So have I. The Authority would cash in some more if they sold the tees in my size. It could also cover all the bases by expanding the size range to include the Governor's size.
Quote from: oscar on March 08, 2013, 10:14:08 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 07, 2013, 12:19:33 PM
I have seen tee shirts with the N.J. Turnpike logo on them for sale at some of its service plazas.
So have I. The Authority would cash in some more if they sold the tees in my size. It could also cover all the bases by expanding the size range to include the Governor's size.
I can relate - except I need a size bigger than the current governor of New Jersey.
Quote from: ctsignguy on March 08, 2013, 09:10:31 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 07, 2013, 02:25:15 PM
The toll road logos used by the N.Y. State Thruway, the Massachusetts Turnpike and the Maine Turnpike are pretty good, but not as distinctive (in my opinion) as the N.J. Turnpike.
I like them all.....but i would see them when i was a kid on a road trip vacation to New England, so they have a special meaning to me....
IMHO, not a bad looking one in the bunch.....
Nice collection, especially the WV Tpk shield. Looks like you are only really missing a KY Turnpike trailblazer. One of my favorites, of which I had Jake made me a replica, is the Delaware Turnpike logo:
(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/del-tpk.jpg)
I might buy a shot glass or t-shirt with the trailblazer on it if DelDOT bothered to keep it around.
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 07, 2013, 08:13:50 PM
As an aside, the versions of the shields shown in SHSD are vanilla. Several tolling authorities in Texas have substituted designs of their own for the flag and "TOLL" in the bottom space. NTTA has a design built around its circle-T logo, while the Central Texas RMA (which operates the SH 183A toll road near Austin) uses a star with a road ribbon. Instead of numbers in the upper part of the shield, NTTA uses facility name abbreviations: PGBT, SRT, etc. I think the vanilla design is used just on the CTTP turnpikes near Austin (SH 1, SH 45, SH 130, etc.) and possibly on SH 255 (the former Camino Colombia toll road) near Laredo.
The old shield for the Camino Colombia (from some random website), before the toll authority went belly up and the highway was bought by the state:
(https://www.aaroads.com/texas/ih035/i-035_nb_exit_24.jpg)
The new shield:
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One question I have, which I haven't found an answer to, is whether or not the CCTR had star-shield reassurance markers.
Quote from: Alex on March 09, 2013, 10:42:29 AM
Quote from: ctsignguy on March 08, 2013, 09:10:31 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 07, 2013, 02:25:15 PM
The toll road logos used by the N.Y. State Thruway, the Massachusetts Turnpike and the Maine Turnpike are pretty good, but not as distinctive (in my opinion) as the N.J. Turnpike.
I like them all.....but i would see them when i was a kid on a road trip vacation to New England, so they have a special meaning to me....
IMHO, not a bad looking one in the bunch.....
Nice collection, especially the WV Tpk shield. Looks like you are only really missing a KY Turnpike trailblazer. One of my favorites, of which I had Jake made me a replica, is the Delaware Turnpike logo:
(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/northeast/del-tpk.jpg)
I might buy a shot glass or t-shirt with the trailblazer on it if DelDOT bothered to keep it around.
I saw one of those attached to a BGS in the Delaware Sign Shop yard back in 1992, but was unable to get it (the yard boss would have been happy to let me have it if i could have gotten it off myself, but alack and alas, i didnt have the needed tools to pop it off....so i had to wave it bai-bai....)
i am also missing a NH Turnpike trailblazer.....
Quote from: NE2 on March 08, 2013, 04:45:25 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on March 08, 2013, 11:16:54 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 08, 2013, 10:44:27 AM
I'm going out on a limb saying that this reasoning will result in approximately 1 lost sale total.
more like 2.
I have bought precisely one Route 66 shot glass in my life, because it had ILLINOIS US 66 all in correct fonts. I'd love to find a handful more but the rest all appear to suck.
Eh, that's reasonable to ignore items that don't match the actual signage. But ignoring items that do match signage because the signs don't use the FHWA font?
Yeah, that's what I was getting at. And I do apologize, the GS Parkway clearly doesn't use FHWA fonts. Not that they couldn't if they wanted to...
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 07, 2013, 06:38:24 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on March 07, 2013, 05:35:52 PMQuote from: J N Winkler on March 07, 2013, 05:30:23 PMI also disapprove of toll road markers, such as Texas' new statewide toll road markers, which rely on stretching an existing shield to form a design element in the toll-road shield.
Can you post a pointer to an example?
Pages 28-33 in this PDF (3 MB):
Toll signs chapter in Standard Highway Sign Designs for Texas (http://ftp.dot.state.tx.us/pub/txdot-info/trf/shsd/2012/section_5.pdf)
Well, at least they're prepared for when I-1635 finally gets built.
Quote from: kphoger on March 09, 2013, 01:23:59 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 07, 2013, 08:13:50 PM
As an aside, the versions of the shields shown in SHSD are vanilla. Several tolling authorities in Texas have substituted designs of their own for the flag and "TOLL" in the bottom space. NTTA has a design built around its circle-T logo, while the Central Texas RMA (which operates the SH 183A toll road near Austin) uses a star with a road ribbon. Instead of numbers in the upper part of the shield, NTTA uses facility name abbreviations: PGBT, SRT, etc. I think the vanilla design is used just on the CTTP turnpikes near Austin (SH 1, SH 45, SH 130, etc.) and possibly on SH 255 (the former Camino Colombia toll road) near Laredo.
One question I have, which I haven't found an answer to, is whether or not the CCTR had star-shield reassurance markers.
J N Winkler (or anyone else): Are you able to find the answer to my question? I'd really like to know, actually.