For some time I've been looking for a map that shows how the new Lawrenceville bypass section of the US 15 freeway ties in with the old route near Lindley, NY or Watsons Creek Road. I've checked out PennDOT maps and the NYSDOT site as well as the major map sites (Google, Yahoo, MS) but I haven't had any luck. Any got a map of this?
The 2009 Official Pennsylvania Map (http://www.dot.state.pa.us/Internet/Bureaus/pdPlanRes.nsf/PlanningAndResearchHomePage?OpenFrameSet&Frame=main&Src=%2FInternet%2FBureaus%2FpdPlanRes.nsf%2FinfoBPRCartoOfficialTransMap%3FOpenForm%26AutoFramed) shows the bypass as completed.
It's a very large and complex PDF file.
Or have you looked at that and it's not enough detail?
Yeah, I saw that, but it's not enough detail.
I would like to see more detail as well, but that's more than I've seen anywhere else (why is it taking the mapping places so long to get this?).
I can tell you, it's pretty simple, as soon as it gets in NY it pares down to one lane, takes future Exit 1 and is a two-lane road until it ties straight into the old alignment. Which isn't very far.
Describe future Exit 1?
Could you put some lines and markers on a Google map and share it?
Are there even going to be exits south of the existing ones when the NY portion is completed? NY already has exit numbers on the road, with no room for more in the south, so is it going to have to be renumbered?
Pretty sure it ties in just before Watson Creek Rd. Interchange will probably be a diamond. Hard to tell right now - could also be temporary. NY 417, by the way, is/will be Exit 2, and this will be Exit 1, with nothing between. It's consistent.
I take it the Presho interchange (current exit 1) is being removed then?
Quote from: froggie on May 10, 2009, 09:11:00 PM
Tim, I'm pulling some newer imagery, which should show the alignment under construction. Can get you points off that once I get it D/Led and into Arc...
Not sure - I haven't tried the Arc viewer. If you have access to updated imagery, could you either pick off the points I need (you know the drill) or send me a screenshot?
Quote from: deanejI take it the Presho interchange (current exit 1) is being removed then?
You know what, I missed that. In that case, I'd guess there would be no exits between the border and there.
Sorry to revive an old topic, but Google Maps now shows the Lawrencville Bypass (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=41.972764,-77.128487&spn=0.1192,0.468979&z=12), and also has Street View imagery of the dead-end of the old alignment of US 15, and some spots on the new freeway.
EDIT: Doug Kerr has a good set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dougtone/sets/72157622873686573) of the construction of the bypass.
Quote from: Michael on January 11, 2010, 01:45:54 PM
Sorry to revive an old topic, but Google Maps now shows the Lawrencville Bypass (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=41.972764,-77.128487&spn=0.1192,0.468979&z=12), and also has Street View imagery of the dead-end of the old alignment of US 15, and some spots on the new freeway.
EDIT: Doug Kerr has a good set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dougtone/sets/72157622873686573) of the construction of the bypass.
Just photos from the PA side. I still have not uploaded the US 15 photos from New York, but I should be doing that pretty soon.
I also have some US 15 construction photos on my PA and NY pages... (US 15 in NY has construction on both ends, even.)
I was last there in August of 2008, and I just saw supports for the Cowanesque River/Bliss Road Bridge, and some grading for the highway into NY. I did go over the new stack at I-86 when it was being landscaped.
On a side note, I so want to get a hold of one of those US 15 shields when I-99 comes through! It'd be even better if US 15 was duplexed with I-99 from Williamsport, but I'm not sure if that will happen.
Quote from: Michael on January 13, 2010, 02:27:36 PM
I was last there in August of 2008, and I just saw supports for the Cowanesque River/Bliss Road Bridge, and some grading for the highway into NY. I did go over the new stack at I-86 when it was being landscaped.
On a side note, I so want to get a hold of one of those US 15 shields when I-99 comes through! It'd be even better if US 15 was duplexed with I-99 from Williamsport, but I'm not sure if that will happen.
My understanding is that US 15 will get truncated to Williamsport. NY has already green-lighted I-99 to come into our state, as referenced by the reference markers at the north end of US 15 in Painted Post.
When I asked PennDOT Dist. 3 a few years ago about what would happen to US 15's designation after it was upgraded, I was told US 15 will become I-99/US 15 rather than I-99 alone.
Wouldn't be the first US route to end at a state border.... (US-25)
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 13, 2010, 09:10:02 PM
Wouldn't be the first US route to end at a state border.... (US-25)
Or US-220 before the Southern Tier Expressway was built.
Don't forget US 46.
Quote from: mightyace on January 13, 2010, 09:24:55 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 13, 2010, 09:10:02 PM
Wouldn't be the first US route to end at a state border.... (US-25)
Or US-220 before the Southern Tier Expressway was built.
Actually, from what Doug and I found, I believe it still does end at the state line on the north side of the interchange.
Quote from: Duke87 on January 13, 2010, 09:30:45 PM
Don't forget US 46.
US 25 and US 220 are signed from the adjacent state. US 46, though, is not signed from either PA or NY despite coming within feet of PA and touching NY.
Quote from: mightyace on January 13, 2010, 09:24:55 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 13, 2010, 09:10:02 PM
Wouldn't be the first US route to end at a state border.... (US-25)
Or US-220 before the Southern Tier Expressway was built.
US 309 was multiplexed with US 220 to New York in the early days of the US system.
US Route 15 in north central Pennsylvania (http://www.frontiernet.net/~rochballparks4/route15/route15.htm) - one of the links on my US 15 page which has construction pictures from the Lycoming-Tioga County corridor
^^^
Thanks for the photos and preserving this memories of this stretch for those who of us who couldn't. :clap:
^^ Agreed. I LOVE that photo set! Jeff, do you have higher resolution versions of the photos?
On a side note, I wouldn't mind seeing these along the freeway:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmjr1990.webng.com%2FAARoads%2FI-99%2520And%2520US%252015%2520Duplex.png&hash=807ec3c51b390ec48c516a76476075423b36bcfd)
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on January 13, 2010, 09:10:02 PM
Wouldn't be the first US route to end at a state border.... (US-25)
It wasn't far from being the first.
When US 15 ended at the PA/NY border in the 1920s, it was NY 2 IIRC in NY. PA was annoyed that the new US Hwys. didn't follow their state highways well (e.g., cross-state PA 4 had at least 4 US Hwy numbers instead of one) and requested a revision that added more US Hwy. mileage in the state. US 15 got extended from somewhere south (was it Frederick, MD? Camp Hill, PA? I can't remember which parts were US 240 and when) to the NY border. But NY didn't adopt the change right away, so for some time, US 15 ended at the PA/NY border. There's a map on the web somewhere that shows this.
Something similar may have happened with US 220 and US 309.
Last fall, AASHTO disapproved of a border-breaking US 15.
Added: Here's the map I mentioned.
Added: ftp://ftp.dot.state.pa.us/public/pdf/BPR_pdf_files/Maps/Statewide/Historic_OTMs/1930fr.pdf
Oops, US 15 hadn't taken over US 111 yet, but it ends at the state line.
Quote from: Michael on January 19, 2010, 01:32:03 PM
^^ Agreed. I LOVE that photo set! Jeff, do you have higher resolution versions of the photos?
That site isn't mine, but rather one maintained by a gentleman by the name of John Walter. Personally I do not have any pictures of the PA 287 to New York section, just ones that Doug has sent me.
Quote from: mightyace on January 17, 2010, 04:09:42 AM
^^^
Thanks for the photos and preserving this memories of this stretch for those who of us who couldn't. :clap:
I have photos from May 2005 taken along U.S. 15 northbound between Williamsport and New York that I've not posted anywhere. I also have a couple of videos from 1993/94 of U.S. 15 that I could convert to digital at some point.
^^^ Please do it! I especially miss the Steam Valley section.
Also, does anyone have pre-construction high resolution photos of US 15 South?
I'm curious if PA 287 is well signed between PA 49 and the NY state border, now that it was extended over the former US 15 route. PennDOT maps show that section being an extension of SR 1015 rather than SR 0287, but there is one sign in Google Maps Street View that suggests it is PA 287. So there might be a discrepancy.
Quote from: treichard on April 19, 2010, 03:38:08 PM
I'm curious if PA 287 is well signed between PA 49 and the NY state border, now that it was extended over the former US 15 route. PennDOT maps show that section being an extension of SR 1015 rather than SR 0287, but there is one sign in Google Maps Street View that suggests it is PA 287. So there might be a discrepancy.
When I worked on the Wikipedia article, I ended the description at 49 with a passing mention of 1015, my gut feeling is if NYSDOT designates NY 287 on the other side, they'll can SR 1015 and just make SR 287 official
Quote from: treichard on April 19, 2010, 03:38:08 PM
I'm curious if PA 287 is well signed between PA 49 and the NY state border, now that it was extended over the former US 15 route. PennDOT maps show that section being an extension of SR 1015 rather than SR 0287, but there is one sign in Google Maps Street View that suggests it is PA 287. So there might be a discrepancy.
The Pennsylvania SR1015 & SR 0287 are PennDOT internal numbers. Just as SR 1015 was signed as US 15, they could (not saying they will) sign it as PA 287 but still be SR 1015 internally.
Quote from: mightyace on April 19, 2010, 06:30:39 PM
Quote from: treichard on April 19, 2010, 03:38:08 PM
I'm curious if PA 287 is well signed between PA 49 and the NY state border, now that it was extended over the former US 15 route. PennDOT maps show that section being an extension of SR 1015 rather than SR 0287, but there is one sign in Google Maps Street View that suggests it is PA 287. So there might be a discrepancy.
The Pennsylvania SR1015 & SR 0287 are PennDOT internal numbers. Just as SR 1015 was signed as US 15, they could (not saying they will) sign it as PA 287 but still be SR 1015 internally.
Everything I have seen from PennDOT show it as just SR 1015. The shield might have been erroneously installed or it was installed for an eventual extension. If that's the case, it will probably get changed to SR 0287 just as when the expressway was under construction, it was designated SR 6015 but now it's SR 0015.
I came across an interesting find today. I was looking at the 1998 Edition of the "New York State Atlas" from NYSDOT at my college library, and the map of Chemung and Steuben Counties showed NY 15 starting at I-390 just south of Wayland at Exit 3. According to various roadgeek Web pages, it was signed from US 15 along NY 17 and I-390 at that time. The map didn't show that.
EDIT: I just took a look at the NYSDOT 1:24000 Digital Raster Quads (http://www.nysgis.state.ny.us/gisdata/quads/drg24/index.htm) from 1977, and they don't show a NY 17/NY 15 and I-390/NY 15 duplex, either.
It might have been officially truncated at that time. NYSDOT never bothered to actually remove signage from that area, so NY 15 signage only gets removed when the signs wear out. The signage is still there, in most places, but over time it will slowly fade away (the new signs on I-390 south at I-86 only list I-86, for example; NY 17 and NY 15 are not on them).
Btw, any idea where one can get a NYSDOT road atlas? I don't think I've ever seen official state maps other than the Thruway ones and the tourism maps, both of which are fold-out maps.
Quote from: Michael on January 19, 2010, 01:32:03 PM
On a side note, I wouldn't mind seeing these along the freeway:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmjr1990.webng.com%2FAARoads%2FI-99%2520And%2520US%252015%2520Duplex.png&hash=807ec3c51b390ec48c516a76476075423b36bcfd)
I would be shocked and appalled. Bad route number, bad specifications, bad everything all around.
(and, honestly, where does everyone seem to get the '70-spec vector drawings?? I know for a fact I have never disseminated one, and most everyone on the Road-Related Illustrations thread seems to share only their more unique and arcane vectors. Yet dog-common '70 spec crap floats around the internet like sewage - where is it seeping from???)
There's one good-looking US-15 shield left in downtown Corning, and the only good I-99 shield is a dead I-99 shield.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/NY/NY19700151i1.jpg)
don't mind the ugly 390 and 21 shields.
Quote from: deanej on February 10, 2011, 12:40:06 PM
Btw, any idea where one can get a NYSDOT road atlas? I don't think I've ever seen official state maps other than the Thruway ones and the tourism maps, both of which are fold-out maps.
There was a map in the front of the atlas showing the state office campus with a map room. I don't remember if there was a phone number or not.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on February 10, 2011, 12:47:21 PM
(and, honestly, where does everyone seem to get the '70-spec vector drawings?? I know for a fact I have never disseminated one, and most everyone on the Road-Related Illustrations thread seems to share only their more unique and arcane vectors. Yet dog-common '70 spec crap floats around the internet like sewage - where is it seeping from???)
I just got the shields from Wikipedia and put them next to each other. It literally took 5 minutes. In my opinion, the 15 in the photo you posted is too narrow (Series C?) for the shield. I-99 doesn't bother me like it does some people. I just don't want US 15 to be truncated to Williamsport.
Quote(and, honestly, where does everyone seem to get the '70-spec vector drawings?? I know for a fact I have never disseminated one, and most everyone on the Road-Related Illustrations thread seems to share only their more unique and arcane vectors. Yet dog-common '70 spec crap floats around the internet like sewage - where is it seeping from???)
One person's sewage is another person's fertilizer. I've never understood your (and a few others) antipathy towards the '70 spec shields...and probably never will.
if we're gonna be averse to cutouts, I'd be perfectly happy with shields like this:
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/WI/WI19650531i1.jpg)
that's actually California's earlier 1957 spec, slightly different angles. here's California's early-1957 spec for three-digit route markers.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/CA/CA19564661i1.jpg)
both of those shapes are significantly better-looking than '70 spec. if you're going to use '70 spec, because of functional vs. aesthetic concerns, you may as well just use a plain square.
Quote from: deanej on February 10, 2011, 12:40:06 PM
Btw, any idea where one can get a NYSDOT road atlas? I don't think I've ever seen official state maps other than the Thruway ones and the tourism maps, both of which are fold-out maps.
There used to be pretty decent county (or pairs-of-counties, like Westchester-Rockland) topographic maps - folded, scale probably 1:50,000 or maybe a bit smaller. I don't know how I found about about them, but I once went to some state agency (forget which) in suburban Albany to pick some up. This would have been in the early 90s, though. I wonder if the atlas would be a compilation of those?
I'd be interested in the atlas too, if the price is right.
Also, how does one get a state tourism map? I've put in two requests - one many months ago, one A month ago - through iloveny.com. Nothing yet.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on February 10, 2011, 02:52:42 PM
Also, how does one get a state tourism map? I've put in two requests - one many months ago, one A month ago - through iloveny.com. Nothing yet.
I don't think they published one last year...I couldn't find any at all, and they weren't in last year's travel guide like they usually are...prolly a victim of the state having no money...
Quote from: agentsteel53 on February 10, 2011, 12:47:21 PMThere's one good-looking US-15 shield left in downtown Corning, and the only good I-99 shield is a dead I-99 shield.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/NY/NY19700151i1.jpg)
don't mind the ugly 390 and 21 shields.
That's in Wayland, not Corning.
Quote from: Michael on February 10, 2011, 01:17:15 PMI just don't want US 15 to be truncated to Williamsport.
That looks to happen since there is no reason to keep the multiplex. It only makes sense to truncate it at 180/220 and renumber Business US 15 to a 99 business loop.
Quote from: cu2010 on February 10, 2011, 08:18:40 PM
Quote from: Michael in Philly on February 10, 2011, 02:52:42 PM
Also, how does one get a state tourism map? I've put in two requests - one many months ago, one A month ago - through iloveny.com. Nothing yet.
I don't think they published one last year...I couldn't find any at all, and they weren't in last year's travel guide like they usually are...prolly a victim of the state having no money...
Thanks. What I should have said is I'd put in two requests for general tourist information - most states either send a travel guide and a map, or have a place where you can check off your specific interests or request specific things, and a map will be among those things. But I've received nothing at all from New York. (I'm veering off topic here, but Maryland maintains a big information center at the Maryland House service area on I-95 and they've got things from most of the eastern seaboard. That's where I found a New York guide. And a North Carolina official map.)
Quote from: PAHighways on February 11, 2011, 12:04:04 AM
Quote from: Michael on February 10, 2011, 01:17:15 PMI just don't want US 15 to be truncated to Williamsport.
That looks to happen since there is no reason to keep the multiplex. It only makes sense to truncate it at 180/220 and renumber Business US 15 to a 99 business loop.
Well, there's always the option of making it Historical US 15, if they do truncate it.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on February 11, 2011, 09:32:57 AM
Thanks. What I should have said is I'd put in two requests for general tourist information - most states either send a travel guide and a map, or have a place where you can check off your specific interests or request specific things, and a map will be among those things. But I've received nothing at all from New York. (I'm veering off topic here, but Maryland maintains a big information center at the Maryland House service area on I-95 and they've got things from most of the eastern seaboard. That's where I found a New York guide. And a North Carolina official map.)
The only NY welcome center I can think of off the top of my head is on I-81 five miles south of the Canadian border. It's possibly maintained by the Thousand Islands Bridge Authority, but its purpose is defiantly to promote tourism in the 1000 Islands and not the state as a whole.
The best place to get a tourism map in NY is in a rest are on the Thruway.
Quote from: Henry on February 11, 2011, 10:59:15 AM
Quote from: PAHighways on February 11, 2011, 12:04:04 AM
Quote from: Michael on February 10, 2011, 01:17:15 PMI just don't want US 15 to be truncated to Williamsport.
That looks to happen since there is no reason to keep the multiplex. It only makes sense to truncate it at 180/220 and renumber Business US 15 to a 99 business loop.
Well, there's always the option of making it Historical US 15, if they do truncate it.
There is no reason to make it a historical route any more than to make the Susquehanna Trail "Historic US 111."
Quote from: PAHighways on February 11, 2011, 12:04:04 AM
Quote from: Michael on February 10, 2011, 01:17:15 PMI just don't want US 15 to be truncated to Williamsport.
That looks to happen since there is no reason to keep the multiplex. It only makes sense to truncate it at 180/220 and renumber Business US 15 to a 99 business loop.
I also agree with the truncating of US-15... Though I think we're more likely to see an extension of PA-660 (Or even an unsigned route)than a Bus. 99.
Once NY finishes their missing link, the bigger bet will be how long there will be 2 separate segments of I-99, since PennDOT seems to have any US-220 (and I-80 interchanges) upgrades on an indefinite hold (at least last I've heard/read)
Quote from: Mr_Northside on February 11, 2011, 04:41:51 PM
Quote from: PAHighways on February 11, 2011, 12:04:04 AM
Quote from: Michael on February 10, 2011, 01:17:15 PMI just don't want US 15 to be truncated to Williamsport.
That looks to happen since there is no reason to keep the multiplex. It only makes sense to truncate it at 180/220 and renumber Business US 15 to a 99 business loop.
I also agree with the truncating of US-15... Though I think we're more likely to see an extension of PA-660 (Or even an unsigned route)than a Bus. 99.
But remember, we did get a I-376 Business out of the PA-60 Business. I can easily see a Business I-99 replacing US-15 Business.
Quote from: PAHighways on February 11, 2011, 12:04:04 AM
Quote from: Michael on February 10, 2011, 01:17:15 PMI just don't want US 15 to be truncated to Williamsport.
That looks to happen since there is no reason to keep the multiplex. It only makes sense to truncate it at 180/220 and renumber Business US 15 to a 99 business loop.
That's what I'm afraid of. I can imagine what would happen to roadgeeks if there's an I-99 AND Business Loop I-99.
Most of old US 15 still exists as Lycoming Creek Rd. and Blockhouse Rd., so that could be designated as US 15, but I doubt that would happen.
Quote from: Mr_Northside on February 11, 2011, 04:41:51 PM
Once NY finishes their missing link, the bigger bet will be how long there will be 2 separate segments of I-99, since PennDOT seems to have any US-220 (and I-80 interchanges) upgrades on an indefinite hold (at least last I've heard/read)
There will be two non-freeway segments of US 220 that will have to be upgraded first.
But after that? Why not sign the whole thing as I-99? After all, if I-70 can use a surface route in Breezewood, I-99 can use an interchange that isn't a full freeway-to-freeway connection.
And will I-99 end at I-86, or will it eat I-390 all the way to at least the Thruway? I think it should, and leave 390 to run north from the Thruway to Rochester.
Quote from: PAHighways on February 11, 2011, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: Henry on February 11, 2011, 10:59:15 AM
Quote from: PAHighways on February 11, 2011, 12:04:04 AM
Quote from: Michael on February 10, 2011, 01:17:15 PMI just don't want US 15 to be truncated to Williamsport.
That looks to happen since there is no reason to keep the multiplex. It only makes sense to truncate it at 180/220 and renumber Business US 15 to a 99 business loop.
Well, there's always the option of making it Historical US 15, if they do truncate it.
There is no reason to make it a historical route any more than to make the Susquehanna Trail "Historic US 111."
I'd love to see that.
Quote from: hbelkins on February 11, 2011, 10:19:00 PM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on February 11, 2011, 04:41:51 PM
Once NY finishes their missing link, the bigger bet will be how long there will be 2 separate segments of I-99, since PennDOT seems to have any US-220 (and I-80 interchanges) upgrades on an indefinite hold (at least last I've heard/read)
There will be two non-freeway segments of US 220 that will have to be upgraded first.
But after that? Why not sign the whole thing as I-99? After all, if I-70 can use a surface route in Breezewood, I-99 can use an interchange that isn't a full freeway-to-freeway connection.
And will I-99 end at I-86, or will it eat I-390 all the way to at least the Thruway? I think it should, and leave 390 to run north from the Thruway to Rochester.
Last I heard, the two segments of US 220 in Lycoming and Clinton counties are deferred as are one of the two interchanges with I-80.
Quote from: hbelkins on February 11, 2011, 10:19:00 PMThere will be two non-freeway segments of US 220 that will have to be upgraded first.
But after that? Why not sign the whole thing as I-99? After all, if I-70 can use a surface route in Breezewood, I-99 can use an interchange that isn't a full freeway-to-freeway connection.
The Susquehanna Beltway project has been shelved for over half a decade now, and there has nothing been announced for upgrading the piece from I-80 to PA 477. The western I-80/I-99 interchange is further along, and as we saw at the State College Meet in 2009, there was earth moving activity there. However, just as at Skytop, acid rock reared its ugly head and the design has had to be modified to take into consideration those areas.
Quote from: hbelkins on February 11, 2011, 10:19:00 PM
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And will I-99 end at I-86, or will it eat I-390 all the way to at least the Thruway? I think it should, and leave 390 to run north from the Thruway to Rochester.
Why have a number charge at the Thruway? Just run it all the way up to 490. Or to where it now meets the Outer Loop, and give the loop a single number all the way around....
I doubt the Outer Loop will ever have a single number. The DOT doesn't want there to be two I-590 norths.
You have to understand, the Rochester Outer Loop (along with I-481) is the closest thing you see to a beltway in all of NY.
Quote from: Michael in Philly on February 13, 2011, 04:12:57 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 11, 2011, 10:19:00 PM
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And will I-99 end at I-86, or will it eat I-390 all the way to at least the Thruway? I think it should, and leave 390 to run north from the Thruway to Rochester.
Why have a number charge at the Thruway? Just run it all the way up to 490. Or to where it now meets the Outer Loop, and give the loop a single number all the way around....
There's been precedent for a highway changing numbers at an interchange; just ask the good folks in eastern Tennessee, where I-26 changed to I-181 and vice versa upon crossing I-81.
Quote from: deanej on February 14, 2011, 09:46:43 AM
I doubt the Outer Loop will ever have a single number. The DOT doesn't want there to be two I-590 norths.
You have to understand, the Rochester Outer Loop (along with I-481) is the closest thing you see to a beltway in all of NY.
Aren't you forgetting I-287 around NYC?
Quote from: LeftyJR on February 12, 2011, 11:34:03 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 11, 2011, 10:19:00 PM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on February 11, 2011, 04:41:51 PM
Once NY finishes their missing link, the bigger bet will be how long there will be 2 separate segments of I-99, since PennDOT seems to have any US-220 (and I-80 interchanges) upgrades on an indefinite hold (at least last I've heard/read)
There will be two non-freeway segments of US 220 that will have to be upgraded first.
Last I heard, the two segments of US 220 in Lycoming and Clinton counties are deferred as are one of the two interchanges with I-80.
That's what I mean... with work under way in NY for their final piece, and with the last section (of US 15) in PA pretty much done (if not done), it's entirely possible that I-99 could be in effect between I-180 & I-86 while all the US-220 "missing links" will still be stuck in limbo.
I was browsing around in Street view, and found a County Route 115 marker on Old US 15 (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=41.999926,-77.127028&spn=0,0.013937&z=17&layer=c&cbll=41.999824,-77.126982&panoid=nFbIx2MQ-evi7bOC-fi6gA&cbp=12,20.62,,0,4.72).
On a side note, the last mention of PA 287 is northbound just before PA 49, but there's no mention southbound between the state line and at least PA 49. Street View doesn't have imagery for a while south of PA 49, so I couldn't see if there is a marker southbound after the intersection. On PA 49 East, PA 287 is signed as going both north and south. PennDOT's VideoLog indicates the northern terminus at the PA 49/287 intersection.
Quote from: Mr_Northside on February 14, 2011, 03:37:19 PM
That's what I mean... with work under way in NY for their final piece, and with the last section (of US 15) in PA pretty much done (if not done), it's entirely possible that I-99 could be in effect between I-180 & I-86 while all the US-220 "missing links" will still be stuck in limbo.
Then maybe we'll get a "TEMP I-99" posted on I-80 and I-180. :sombrero:
Quote from: Michael on February 14, 2011, 08:26:39 PMOn a side note, the last mention of PA 287 is northbound just before PA 49, but there's no mention southbound between the state line and at least PA 49.
That section north of 49 is now SR 1015.
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on February 15, 2011, 01:13:16 AM
Quote from: Mr_Northside on February 14, 2011, 03:37:19 PM
That's what I mean... with work under way in NY for their final piece, and with the last section (of US 15) in PA pretty much done (if not done), it's entirely possible that I-99 could be in effect between I-180 & I-86 while all the US-220 "missing links" will still be stuck in limbo.
Then maybe we'll get a "TEMP I-99" posted on I-80 and I-180. :sombrero:
I thought they had phased that out years ago! These days, it'd be "FUTURE I-99 CORRIDOR", but I see where you're going with it.
Quote from: Henry on February 14, 2011, 01:54:45 PM
There's been precedent for a highway changing numbers at an interchange; just ask the good folks in eastern Tennessee, where I-26 changed to I-181 and vice versa upon crossing I-81.
And I-181 was absorbed by I-26 because the number changed was deemed too confusing for some reason.
QuoteAren't you forgetting I-287 around NYC?
I-287's beltway portion is (almost entirely) in New Jersey. Plus NYSDOT wanted to use I-487 for part of I-287...