Are there a lot of roads with a number that was intentionally chosen to represent a group, historic event, or specific year? By this, I don't mean routes whose number was chosen to fit into a grid or was numbered based on its chronological creation date.
Some examples I can think of include North Dakota Highways 1804 and 1806 which represent the years Lewis and Clark traveled through the state, the proposed Interstate 14 in the South that references the Constitutional amendment, and the proposed Interstate 3 which represents some Army infantry (and unlike the former, is horribly out-of-sync with the rest of the grid).
Other than those and the rumors about the numbering of I-76 through Philadelphia (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/i76.cfm), are there any other such intentionally-chosen route numbers?
CA-49 in the Gold Country was chosen to honor the Gold Rush of 1849 (which also gave us our miner's spade state highway shield).
Wisconsin 32 - chosen to honor the 32nd Infantry Brigade. The shields have two red arrows representing the brigade.
Illinois 38 - chosen due to its sound. The route was formerly US-30A.
North Carolina 3 - Numbered to honor Dale Earnhardt, the Nascar driver killed in 2001 Daytona 500. His car was number 3.
NJ 139 is old US 1&9 Business.
holy shit old US 66 is now state highway 66
AK 98 in Skagway, Alaska, for the Klondike Gold Rush of 1898 (while the gold was in Canada, Skagway is where most of the prospectors started their trek).
US 400. Because goat.
I-76 in Philadelphia, for the Spirit of '76 and the Bicentennial. Also, NY and NJ 94 is the 94th Infantry Memorial Highway.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 05, 2013, 08:34:04 PM
I-76 in Philadelphia, for the Spirit of '76 and the Bicentennial.
Quote from: Mr. Matté on April 05, 2013, 06:34:44 PM
the rumors about the numbering of I-76 through Philadelphia (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/i76.cfm)
Quote from: Brandon on April 05, 2013, 06:55:43 PM
Wisconsin 32 - chosen to honor the 32nd Infantry Brigade. The shields have two red arrows representing the brigade.
Maybe it was extended for that reason, but the original 1918 route, from Crandon to Woodruff, likely had no such meaning.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on April 05, 2013, 08:34:04 PM
Also, NY and NJ 94 is the 94th Infantry Memorial Highway.
Probably named because of the number, not numbered because of the name.
Quote from: NE2 on April 05, 2013, 08:45:05 PM
Quote from: Brandon on April 05, 2013, 06:55:43 PM
Wisconsin 32 - chosen to honor the 32nd Infantry Brigade. The shields have two red arrows representing the brigade.
Maybe it was extended for that reason, but the original 1918 route, from Crandon to Woodruff, likely had no such meaning.
The current route and arrows were later set by the legislature: http://www.wisconsinhighways.org/indepth/red_arrow.html
Sidenote that prior to the neutering of state route signs, the arrows were placed on either side of the "WIS"
NC 400 was chosen because it was the 400th anniversary of the Lost Colony in North Carolina.
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NY 747 near Stewart Airport in Newburgh.
SR A1A was renumbered from SR 1 due to the close proximity of US 1. Supposedly one of the A's stands for Atlantic or alternate or both. But go to the other coast of Florida and you'll find two former routes. SR A19A (now 693 etc.) was a loop off US 19. And SR G1A (now 300) was a spur off US 98 to an island in the gulf.
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NM-6563. There is a solar observatory at the end of the road at Sunspot and this number is the wavelength of the Balmer hydrogen transition (6563 Angstroms) which is observed in sunlight.
Also NM 2001 to the New Mexico Museum of Space History.
Quote from: NE2 on April 05, 2013, 08:31:30 PM
US 400. Because goat.
Uh, no. That'd be ALAN ALAN-HUNDRED because goat. Sorry to pop your goat bubble, NE2.
Other than former alignments of U.S. routes (SR 99 and SR 10), WA has none.
The Boeing Freeway (SR 526) should really be renumbered to 7x7 or something. Doesn't fit the grid, but it passes right by the Boeing factory and was funded (partially) by the company.
Quote from: dfilpus on April 05, 2013, 07:03:23 PM
North Carolina 3 - Numbered to honor Dale Earnhardt, the Nascar driver killed in 2001 Daytona 500. His car was number 3.
I was going to mention this one.
AL 94: 1849 Alanlandian Goat Mush.
I-820 appears to have been named after a local DFW radio station.
Quote from: http://www.kurumi.com/roads/3di/ix20.html#820txWhy Interstate 820, instead of 220 or 420? Joe Isham writes that Amon Carter, who owned the Fort Worth Star-Telegram and radio station WBAP (820 AM), rubbed elbows and got some free publicity for the station. WBAP hasn't responded to polite inquiries about this.
Such backdoor dealing is, of course, completely uncharacteristic of the way Texans do business.
Quote from: national highway 1 on April 06, 2013, 05:39:25 AM
I-820 appears to have been named after a local DFW radio station.
Quote from: http://www.kurumi.com/roads/3di/ix20.html#820txWhy Interstate 820, instead of 220 or 420? Joe Isham writes that Amon Carter, who owned the Fort Worth Star-Telegram and radio station WBAP (820 AM), rubbed elbows and got some free publicity for the station. WBAP hasn't responded to polite inquiries about this.
Such backdoor dealing is, of course, completely uncharacteristic of the way Texans do business.
Ah b'lieve yew mean "bidness." ;-)
Quote from: US81 on April 06, 2013, 09:34:21 AM
Quote from: national highway 1 on April 06, 2013, 05:39:25 AM
I-820 appears to have been named after a local DFW radio station.
Quote from: http://www.kurumi.com/roads/3di/ix20.html#820txWhy Interstate 820, instead of 220 or 420? Joe Isham writes that Amon Carter, who owned the Fort Worth Star-Telegram and radio station WBAP (820 AM), rubbed elbows and got some free publicity for the station. WBAP hasn't responded to polite inquiries about this.
Such backdoor dealing is, of course, completely uncharacteristic of the way Texans do business.
Ah b'lieve yew mean "bidness." ;-)
Ah'm fixin' to, ah, fix that page :-)
I-99 was chosen to match Bud Shuster's IQ
Quote from: _Simon on April 06, 2013, 01:09:39 PM
I-99 was chosen to match Bud Shuster's IQ
While that might
also be true, he wanted the number because of his fond memories of riding rickety streetcar #99 as a kid in Altoona.
If this isn't a compelling argument against "meaningful" route numbers ever, ever,
ever being used (at least on Interstates and US routes), I don't know what is.
In WV:
WV 44 is named the "Jerry West Highway" West having worn #44 at WVU and with the Lakers, however, the road existed long before Mr. West, and is in Logan County, far from either Mr. West's boyhood home in Kanawha County or WVU. Somebody just decided to put up a sign.
WV 705 is named the "705th Division Highway", the 705th Division having been a tank division in WWII. The road was constructed in the late 70s, in a then newly developed part of Morgantown, however the 705th has no more or less relationship with Morgantown than any other place in the country.
WV 75 is named the "Marshall Memorial Highway", 75 being the number of people killed in the Marshall airplane disaster which the crash site is just off this route, however this numbering predates the crash by many years.
Quote from: _Simon on April 06, 2013, 01:09:39 PM
I-99 was chosen to match Bud Shuster's IQ
Seeing as how that would make him almost exactly average, this may not be as much of a dig as you meant it to be. Depending, of course, on your opinion of average people. :-P
OH 3 is/was the 3-C Highway, so named because it serves Cincinnati, Columbus, and Cleveland.
M-107 was dedicated in honor of the 107th Engineer Combat Battalion. Since the highway was transferred back to county control, its been named the "107th Engineers Memorial Highway".
Western I-76 was chosen partly relating to Colorado's centennial I think.
I once proposed, as part of a big fictional Interstate rejigger, moving the east end of I-76 to Baltimore Washington DC, creating an orphan spur from my new I-70 into downtown Philly which I would call I-1776.
edited with better-remembered details about the rejigger
US 101 was created as the West Coast equivalent to US 1.
Quote from: Henry on April 07, 2013, 02:59:53 PM
US 101 was created as the West Coast equivalent to US 1.
And US 11 was the Appalachian equivalent to US 1. US 61 was the Mississippi River equivalent. Oh wait, it's Henry.
Quote from: SP Cook on April 06, 2013, 03:10:53 PM
In WV:
WV 44 is named the "Jerry West Highway" West having worn #44 at WVU and with the Lakers, however, the road existed long before Mr. West, and is in Logan County, far from either Mr. West's boyhood home in Kanawha County or WVU. Somebody just decided to put up a sign.
It should be noted that current WV 44 is the old route of US 119 before the new four-lane between Williamson and Logan was built. Prior to that, wasn't WV 44 somewhere up around the Ohio River or the old US 33 corridor between Ripley and Mason?
A more appropriate old segment of US 119 to have been renumbered WV 44 would have been what is now WV 94 between Racine and Chelyan. At least that's reasonably close to Cabin Creek. (WV 94, of course having been moved off the West Huntington expressway and the Rahall Bridge that now carries US 52 into Ohio).
Ontario should renumber the road that run by Neil Peart's house as 2112.
Quote from: NE2 on April 07, 2013, 03:54:43 PM
Quote from: Henry on April 07, 2013, 02:59:53 PM
US 101 was created as the West Coast equivalent to US 1.
And US 11 was the Appalachian equivalent to US 1. US 61 was the Mississippi River equivalent. Oh wait, it's Henry.
:bigass:
US 29 in MD is known as the 29th Infantry Division Memorial Highway.
NJ 139 has been mentioned (turn the ampersand to a 3). NJ 324 was chosen because it was formerly US 322. Why not 323? Who knows. (NJ 143 was formerly NJ 43, but that was just a route number change, not a rerouting.) Otherwise, no political numberings, nothing "because it connects these two routes" like VT 279, etc.
For a time, I-70 was significant to St. Louis, when Mark McGwire hit 70 home runs in one season, playing for the Cardinals.
I used to think that KY-1973 was somehow significant, since it was the only 4-digit route I saw in Kentucky with an exit on I-75 – if not on ALL of that interstate. It's the exit for the Kentucky Horse Farm, so I hypothesized that 1973 was the year the farm opened or something, or when some horse from there won an important race perhaps. But it appears that there are lots of 4-digit routes in the area, including some in that range.
Nevada SR 140 was chosen as it was originally considered a potential US 140 (spurring from old US 40) that would have been the "Winnemucca to the Sea Highway".
It was one of only three state routes not renumbered in 1976 (although 291 was proposed to replace the number), each of these routes do not conform to the clustering-by-county route numbering pattern implemented that persists to this day.
CT 372 is so numbered because it was the old alignment of CT 72 before the expressway from Plainville to New Britain (and the section of CT 9 from New Britain to East Berlin that used to be CT 72). CT 272 is so numbered because CT 72 used to extend beyond Harwinton on CT 4, then up CT 272 to the MA line. CT 172 has no such connection. CT 99 was the old alignment of CT 9, and the old CT 291 was numbered in anticipation of an upgrade to I-291.
I think routes numbered after other routes is stretching the original concept of this thread.
Quote from: vtk on April 09, 2013, 09:44:43 AM
I think routes numbered after other routes is stretching the original concept of this thread.
Agreed, unless it is for an odd reason, such as the sound of a route number (i.e. IL-38 being numbered on what was US-30A). Hence, IL-250 (former US-50) and IL-251 (former US-51) don't really count for this thread, IMHO.
Quote from: roadfro on April 09, 2013, 02:29:18 AM
It was one of only three state routes not renumbered in 1976 (although 291 was proposed to replace the number), each of these routes do not conform to the clustering-by-county route numbering pattern implemented that persists to this day.
the other two are NV-28 and NV-88, correct?
NV-28 is interesting because California numbered a road on their side in 1953 as CA-28 to be a continuation of NV-28. then NV returned the favor in 1976 by not renumbering their road.
CA-266 was designated in 1968, and NV-266 appears to have been numbered to match it in 1976. a nice coincidence, since 266 fits Nevada's new scheme.
as for NV-8A and NV-34, those are officially off the books then? I was up in Vya the other day and saw many old, and not-so-old, NV-8A and NV-34 shields, which would require a completely separate post to attempt to document - there are at least five different variants.
Quote from: Steve on April 08, 2013, 07:16:46 PM
NJ 139 has been mentioned (turn the ampersand to a 3). NJ 324 was chosen because it was formerly US 322. Why not 323? Who knows. (NJ 143 was formerly NJ 43, but that was just a route number change, not a rerouting.) Otherwise, no political numberings, nothing "because it connects these two routes" like VT 279, etc.
is there an odd-even parity in NJ that made 324 more logical than 323?
several California interstates seem to be meaningful as connector numbers. I-805 connects I-8 and I-5, for example. I-580 connects I-5 to I-80, and may also have been chosen because a lot of it was US-50. in that vein, I-110 is former CA-11, and I-710 is former CA-7; some clear nods to the previous number which I believe are more interesting than just a state-route renumbering.
Quote from: NE2 on April 06, 2013, 01:25:52 AM
Also NM 2001 to the New Mexico Museum of Space History.
any meaning to NM-1113? that is the only other four-digit that I know of. it seems to be a continuation of NM-113, with a very short jog along NM-9. NM does not like multiplexes, so they will sign the two halves with different numbers... but why bump to four digits?
hypotheses include:
1) "1113" fits into a standard three-digit number spacing scheme: Series C on the circle zia blank.
2) it's related to NM-113, and NM-213, 313, etc are taken elsewhere.
3) because Georgia/Alanland/New Mexico.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 09, 2013, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: NE2 on April 06, 2013, 01:25:52 AM
Also NM 2001 to the New Mexico Museum of Space History.
any meaning to NM-1113? that is the only other four-digit that I know of. it seems to be a continuation of NM-113, with a very short jog along NM-9. NM does not like multiplexes, so they will sign the two halves with different numbers... but why bump to four digits?
hypotheses include:
1) "1113" fits into a standard three-digit number spacing scheme: Series C on the circle zia blank.
2) it's related to NM-113, and NM-213, 313, etc are taken elsewhere.
3) because Georgia/Alanland/New Mexico.
It can't be an extension of 113 because of the no-concurrency rule for New Mexico state highways. Why it couldn't just get another available 1xx number for NMDOT District 1 I don't know, since there are numerous instances throughout the state where almost-but-not-quite continuous roads change number. It's not like it goes anywhere where route number continuity is important.
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on April 09, 2013, 01:38:18 PM
It can't be an extension of 113 because of the no-concurrency rule for New Mexico state highways. Why it couldn't just get another available 1xx number for NMDOT District 1 I don't know, since there are numerous instances throughout the state where almost-but-not-quite continuous roads change number. It's not like it goes anywhere where route number continuity is important.
as far as I know, the only violation of the no-concurrency rule is NM-9 jogging a block north-south along NM-338 in Animas. I wonder why this is an exception.
because Georgia
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 09, 2013, 01:48:38 PM
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on April 09, 2013, 01:38:18 PM
It can't be an extension of 113 because of the no-concurrency rule for New Mexico state highways. Why it couldn't just get another available 1xx number for NMDOT District 1 I don't know, since there are numerous instances throughout the state where almost-but-not-quite continuous roads change number. It's not like it goes anywhere where route number continuity is important.
as far as I know, the only violation of the no-concurrency rule is NM-9 jogging a block north-south along NM-338 in Animas. I wonder why this is an exception.
My guess on that was that the remaining stub of 338 south of Animas was intended to be turned back to the county, and at the time of the 1988 renumbering when this no-concurrency practice began, the state didn't want to assign a new number to this piece of road. At one time, 338 extended well south of Animas. As far as I know, that stub is still a state highway.
It's an after-the-fact example, but Illinois Route 173 was designated the 173rd Airborne Brigade Highway in 2008.
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on April 09, 2013, 02:05:29 PMAt one time, 338 extended well south of Animas. As far as I know, that stub is still a state highway.
certainly signed as such in Animas. I've never driven it south of there.
Quote from: NE2 on April 05, 2013, 07:08:31 PM
NJ 139 is old US 1&9 Business.
holy shit old US 66 is now state highway 66
Arizona 66, for example, is a piece of old US 66.
Texas 66, however, is completely unrelated.
Then there's I-88 (W) in Illinois. Why I-88 and not I-82, 84, or 86? I strongly suspect IDOT and ISTHA chose the number due to when the number was applied to what had been IL-5 when they needed a number to get a 65 mph speed limit applied to the road. The number was applied in 1988 after the NMSL had been modified in 1987 to allow for 65 mph speed limits on interstate highways only. I-82 would have made more sense, IMHO.
Quote from: Brandon on April 09, 2013, 02:45:21 PM
Then there's I-88 (W) in Illinois. Why I-88 and not I-82, 84, or 86? I strongly suspect IDOT and ISTHA chose the number due to when the number was applied to what had been IL-5 when they needed a number to get a 65 mph speed limit applied to the road. The number was applied in 1988 after the NMSL had been modified in 1987 to allow for 65 mph speed limits on interstate highways only. I-82 would have made more sense, IMHO.
84 already existed in two segments by then. eastern (original to 1957) and western (1976 renumbering, I believe). I don't think they wanted a precedent of
three I-84s.
I-82 and I-86 would have been acceptable, creating a west and a midwest segment of each. (New England I-86 was gone by then.)
I don't see, though, why I-82 is unambiguously better than I-88. both fit the grid just fine, and neither has caused undue strain with other instances of the number (as I-86 would have done, because New York would have needed a third I-86 to fit between I-84 and I-88).
the original I-82 (OR/WA) is a bit strained, but I can see them not wanting to renumber it when I-80N became I-84.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 09, 2013, 02:56:42 PM
I don't see, though, why I-82 is unambiguously better than I-88. both fit the grid just fine, and neither has caused undue strain with other instances of the number (as I-86 would have done, because New York would have needed a third I-86 to fit between I-84 and I-88).
Had the route of US-20 been turned into an interstate, as has been suggested in the past, I-82 on what is currently I-88 would've made the numbering work better. Did Iowa ever have any plans for the US-20 corridor other than a freeway/expressway?
The former US 611 in Pennsylvania branched off its parent where it duplexed with US 6. The US 6 & 11 concurrency is nearby the diverge point, so it may be coincidence or not.
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on April 09, 2013, 01:38:18 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 09, 2013, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: NE2 on April 06, 2013, 01:25:52 AM
Also NM 2001 to the New Mexico Museum of Space History.
any meaning to NM-1113? that is the only other four-digit that I know of. it seems to be a continuation of NM-113, with a very short jog along NM-9. NM does not like multiplexes, so they will sign the two halves with different numbers... but why bump to four digits?
hypotheses include:
1) "1113" fits into a standard three-digit number spacing scheme: Series C on the circle zia blank.
2) it's related to NM-113, and NM-213, 313, etc are taken elsewhere.
3) because Georgia/Alanland/New Mexico.
It can't be an extension of 113 because of the no-concurrency rule for New Mexico state highways. Why it couldn't just get another available 1xx number for NMDOT District 1 I don't know, since there are numerous instances throughout the state where almost-but-not-quite continuous roads change number. It's not like it goes anywhere where route number continuity is important.
I don't see how the no-concurrency rule is violated, because 1113 is straight across from 113. From my page: (http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/nm/nm_9)
One of only three signed 4-digit routes in the state, leading to Playas. It started out as CR 113, numbered as an extension of NM 113 (which was already there to the right), but when the state took it over, for some reason instead of extending 113 southward, perhaps so that all of the mileage logs wouldn't have to be rewritten, they decided it was easier to give it a new number. Now, why something like 413 or 613 wouldn't have worked just fine is beyond me. The only other signed 4-digit routes are numbers of convenience: 2001 for the International Space Center (think Odyssey) and 6563 for the Solar Observatory (Balmer hydrogen transition in Ã...ngströms, which I wouldn't expect you to come up with). 5001 is unsigned, and may just be an internal designation.
Quote from: Bruce on April 06, 2013, 02:04:46 AM
Other than former alignments of U.S. routes (SR 99 and SR 10), WA has none.
What about SR 599 - connector between I-5 and SR 99 (otherwise an ordinary 5XX spur, but if numbered in sequence would be SR 517...) Of course SR 410 is a former U.S. route...but overall Washington's secondary route numbering system is one of the most logical to begin with since you know what the parent route is. Unlike Oregon...
Quote from: Bruce on April 06, 2013, 02:04:46 AMThe Boeing Freeway (SR 526) should really be renumbered to 7x7 or something. Doesn't fit the grid, but it passes right by the Boeing factory and was funded (partially) by the company.
I like it! But SR 900 in Renton could also be renumbered (especially since it connects not just I-90, but also I-405 and I-5) and is close to the 737 plant...so renumber it 737, while SR 526 should be 747 since that plant was built for the 747 (and later used for 767, 777 and 787 fabrication).
Quote from: roadman65 on April 09, 2013, 10:19:42 PM
The former US 611 in Pennsylvania branched off its parent where it duplexed with US 6. The US 6 & 11 concurrency is nearby the diverge point, so it may be coincidence or not.
Only an intentional coincidence in that PA 611 used to be US 611, and of course US 11 was its parent.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 09, 2013, 12:34:43 PM
Quote from: roadfro on April 09, 2013, 02:29:18 AM
It was one of only three state routes not renumbered in 1976 (although 291 was proposed to replace the number), each of these routes do not conform to the clustering-by-county route numbering pattern implemented that persists to this day.
the other two are NV-28 and NV-88, correct?
NV-28 is interesting because California numbered a road on their side in 1953 as CA-28 to be a continuation of NV-28. then NV returned the favor in 1976 by not renumbering their road.
CA-266 was designated in 1968, and NV-266 appears to have been numbered to match it in 1976. a nice coincidence, since 266 fits Nevada's new scheme.
as for NV-8A and NV-34, those are officially off the books then? I was up in Vya the other day and saw many old, and not-so-old, NV-8A and NV-34 shields, which would require a completely separate post to attempt to document - there are at least five different variants.
Slightly de-railing:
Yes, 28 & 88 are the other two.
You mentioned 28 renumbering on CA side. Nevada renumbered what had been SR 37 to SR 88 by 1957, so they repaid the favor to Caltrans twice.
SR 8A and SR 34 have been officially off the books since 1976 renumbering project wrapped up (so around 1982, according to old maps). NDOT likely abandoned/relinquished the roads as they were without removing signs or other features. But please feel free to expand on this point in Pacific Southwest
Quote from: Brandon on April 09, 2013, 03:39:12 PM
Had the route of US-20 been turned into an interstate, as has been suggested in the past, I-82 on what is currently I-88 would've made the numbering work better. Did Iowa ever have any plans for the US-20 corridor other than a freeway/expressway?
Yes, during the 1960s and 1970s Iowa had plans to make the entire US 20 corridor a freeway, but budget and other concerns put the kibosh on that idea. The freeway segments that exist now -- the Sioux City bypass and the stretch from IA 17 to IA 38 -- will be the only freeway segments of US 20 in Iowa, at least for the foreseeable future. (Commentary on Iowa's abandoned 1968 freeway and expressway plans can be found here (http://iowahighwayends.net/maps/1968plan.html).)
Quote from: sp_redelectric on April 10, 2013, 12:43:36 AMWhat about SR 599 - connector between I-5 and SR 99 (otherwise an ordinary 5XX spur, but if numbered in sequence would be SR 517...)
Also I-705. It's likely just a coincidence, since when it was numbered, 105, 305, and 505 were all already taken by state routes, but it's neat how it fits both the interstate numbering system with the parent at the end, and the state numbering system with the parent at the beginning, since it's a continuation of SR 7.
Quote from: Steve on April 09, 2013, 10:29:07 PM
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on April 09, 2013, 01:38:18 PM
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Quote from: NE2 on April 06, 2013, 01:25:52 AM
Also NM 2001 to the New Mexico Museum of Space History.
any meaning to NM-1113? that is the only other four-digit that I know of. it seems to be a continuation of NM-113, with a very short jog along NM-9. NM does not like multiplexes, so they will sign the two halves with different numbers... but why bump to four digits?
hypotheses include:
1) "1113" fits into a standard three-digit number spacing scheme: Series C on the circle zia blank.
2) it's related to NM-113, and NM-213, 313, etc are taken elsewhere.
3) because Georgia/Alanland/New Mexico.
It can't be an extension of 113 because of the no-concurrency rule for New Mexico state highways. Why it couldn't just get another available 1xx number for NMDOT District 1 I don't know, since there are numerous instances throughout the state where almost-but-not-quite continuous roads change number. It's not like it goes anywhere where route number continuity is important.
I don't see how the no-concurrency rule is violated, because 1113 is straight across from 113. From my page: (http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/nm/nm_9)
One of only three signed 4-digit routes in the state, leading to Playas. It started out as CR 113, numbered as an extension of NM 113 (which was already there to the right), but when the state took it over, for some reason instead of extending 113 southward, perhaps so that all of the mileage logs wouldn't have to be rewritten, they decided it was easier to give it a new number. Now, why something like 413 or 613 wouldn't have worked just fine is beyond me. The only other signed 4-digit routes are numbers of convenience: 2001 for the International Space Center (think Odyssey) and 6563 for the Solar Observatory (Balmer hydrogen transition in Ã...ngströms, which I wouldn't expect you to come up with). 5001 is unsigned, and may just be an internal designation.
I thought you decimated my argument, since I haven't driven NM-9 as far as this point, and didn't research this point from Google Maps (until now) when doing my New Mexico Highways Page. But...look at this intersection (http://goo.gl/maps/5Sug4). It's actually not straight through (notwithstanding the pictured sign). There is a definite offset to the intersection, which makes it a micro-concurrency. OK, a pico-concurrency. That said, I think your hypothesis that the state didn't want to reset reference points to reflect a new southern terminus makes sense. The southern extension appears to go to a smelter at Playas.
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on April 10, 2013, 10:00:02 PM
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Quote from: NE2 on April 06, 2013, 01:25:52 AM
Also NM 2001 to the New Mexico Museum of Space History.
any meaning to NM-1113? that is the only other four-digit that I know of. it seems to be a continuation of NM-113, with a very short jog along NM-9. NM does not like multiplexes, so they will sign the two halves with different numbers... but why bump to four digits?
hypotheses include:
1) "1113" fits into a standard three-digit number spacing scheme: Series C on the circle zia blank.
2) it's related to NM-113, and NM-213, 313, etc are taken elsewhere.
3) because Georgia/Alanland/New Mexico.
It can't be an extension of 113 because of the no-concurrency rule for New Mexico state highways. Why it couldn't just get another available 1xx number for NMDOT District 1 I don't know, since there are numerous instances throughout the state where almost-but-not-quite continuous roads change number. It's not like it goes anywhere where route number continuity is important.
I don't see how the no-concurrency rule is violated, because 1113 is straight across from 113. From my page: (http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/nm/nm_9)
One of only three signed 4-digit routes in the state, leading to Playas. It started out as CR 113, numbered as an extension of NM 113 (which was already there to the right), but when the state took it over, for some reason instead of extending 113 southward, perhaps so that all of the mileage logs wouldn't have to be rewritten, they decided it was easier to give it a new number. Now, why something like 413 or 613 wouldn't have worked just fine is beyond me. The only other signed 4-digit routes are numbers of convenience: 2001 for the International Space Center (think Odyssey) and 6563 for the Solar Observatory (Balmer hydrogen transition in Ã...ngströms, which I wouldn't expect you to come up with). 5001 is unsigned, and may just be an internal designation.
I thought you decimated my argument, since I haven't driven NM-9 as far as this point, and didn't research this point from Google Maps (until now) when doing my New Mexico Highways Page. But...look at this intersection (http://goo.gl/maps/5Sug4). It's actually not straight through (notwithstanding the pictured sign). There is a definite offset to the intersection, which makes it a micro-concurrency. OK, a pico-concurrency. That said, I think your hypothesis that the state didn't want to reset reference points to reflect a new southern terminus makes sense. The southern extension appears to go to a smelter at Playas.
To me, the main thing that doesn't make sense is failing to use another available number before breaking 1000.
Quote from: Steve on April 10, 2013, 10:19:14 PM
To me, the main thing that doesn't make sense is failing to use another available number before breaking 1000.
While 1000 itself may have disadvantages in fitting the number on the sign, 1113 can almost certainly fit just as easily as any 3-digit number, and it's probably more memorable than something like 813.
This reminds me of an experiment I considered recently, where I would [technical description deleted] come up with a list of route numbers sorted from most to least memorable. I suspect several 4-digit entries would appear before the 3-digit ones are exhausted.
Quote from: Steve on April 09, 2013, 10:29:07 PM5001 is unsigned, and may just be an internal designation.
I believe I have a photo somewhere of this being signed. it is in Farmington, correct?
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 11, 2013, 12:37:10 PM
Quote from: Steve on April 09, 2013, 10:29:07 PM5001 is unsigned, and may just be an internal designation.
I believe I have a photo somewhere of this being signed. it is in Farmington, correct?
I believe it's signed as U.S. 64, and the route of 64 through downtown is Business 64. I think 5001 is derived from a San Juan County designation (maybe what it was called before the state took it over), as that county uses a systematic 4-digit numbering scheme. The most unusual thing is that the 5001 designation is shown on the official state highway map.
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on April 11, 2013, 01:50:52 PMI think 5001 is derived from a San Juan County designation (maybe what it was called before the state took it over), as that county uses a systematic 4-digit numbering scheme.
quite likely. I have plenty of photos of 5xxx county pentagons. I looked and could not find a photo of a zia 5001, but I am pretty sure I saw one.
(because New Mexico.)
Don't think this has been mentioned yet
North Dakota Highway 1804 and Highway 1806
Numbered to reflect the years of Lewis and Clark's travels through the area. The highways travel along the Missouri River, 1804 along the north side and 1806 on the south side
http://maps.google.com/?ll=47.542237,-101.732712&spn=0.2452,0.617294&t=m&z=11
From the first post in the thread...
Quote from: Mr. Matté on April 05, 2013, 06:34:44 PM
Some examples I can think of include North Dakota Highways 1804 and 1806 which represent the years Lewis and Clark traveled through the state
How about NY 695, which connects I-690 and NY 5 west of Syracuse.
Quote from: NE2 on April 11, 2013, 08:57:22 PM
From the first post in the thread...
Quote from: Mr. Matté on April 05, 2013, 06:34:44 PM
Some examples I can think of include North Dakota Highways 1804 and 1806 which represent the years Lewis and Clark traveled through the state
Oh, yeah, well......
that......
Some state highways in California are meant to reflect the US routes that they once carried, such as CA-60 and CA-99.
Now how about US-491? It's significant because people wanted to be rid of the 666 designation, IIRC.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 13, 2013, 01:53:32 AM
Some state highways in California are meant to reflect the US routes that they once carried, such as CA-60 and CA-99.
Now how about US-491? It's significant because people wanted to be rid of the 666 designation, IIRC.
Texas has done this as well.
As to US 491, I can't speak to that - but as fun as it was for me, my mother was terrified. Rode lying down in the backseat with a cloth over her face. She, at least, thought the 666 designation was appropriate. :-)
Quote from: _Simon on April 06, 2013, 01:09:39 PM
I-99 was chosen to match Bud Shuster's IQ
Wouldn't that be Interstate 4? Maybe Florida and Pennsylvania could do a swap.
Quote from: Pilgrimway on April 13, 2013, 12:22:21 PM
Quote from: _Simon on April 06, 2013, 01:09:39 PM
I-99 was chosen to match Bud Shuster's IQ
Wouldn't that be Interstate 4? Maybe Florida and Pennsylvania could do a swap.
You know that would actually fit the grid better. Even though it is west of I-95, it is not directly west of I-81. Then again, you could make I-4, I-95 and I-95 south of Daytona I-99.
Interstate 4 runs diagonal and could be signed as a N-S routes. Having I-4 in Pennsylvania would not look any more odd than I-99 already is. Plus ole Buddy can sign its E-W demeanor into law so that an even number could be signed N-S.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 13, 2013, 01:53:32 AM
Now how about US-491? It's significant because people wanted to be rid of the 666 designation, IIRC.
So it's sort of an anti-meaningful number. What I remember from driving a portion of US-666 was seeing zero route shields except for one
waaaay up on stoplight arm (out of reach, I assume).
Quote from: roadman65 on April 13, 2013, 12:41:37 PM
Quote from: Pilgrimway on April 13, 2013, 12:22:21 PM
Quote from: _Simon on April 06, 2013, 01:09:39 PM
I-99 was chosen to match Bud Shuster's IQ
Wouldn't that be Interstate 4? Maybe Florida and Pennsylvania could do a swap.
You know that would actually fit the grid better. Even though it is west of I-95, it is not directly west of I-81. Then again, you could make I-4, I-95 and I-95 south of Daytona I-99.
Interstate 4 runs diagonal and could be signed as a N-S routes. Having I-4 in Pennsylvania would not look any more odd than I-99 already is. Plus ole Buddy can sign its E-W demeanor into law so that an even number could be signed N-S.
Renumbering I-4 and I-95 in Florida is a brilliant idea!
Wait until our idiot governor Rick Scott is gone.
Quote from: kphoger on April 13, 2013, 01:43:02 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 13, 2013, 01:53:32 AM
Now how about US-491? It's significant because people wanted to be rid of the 666 designation, IIRC.
So it's sort of an anti-meaningful number. What I remember from driving a portion of US-666 was seeing zero route shields except for one waaaay up on stoplight arm (out of reach, I assume).
Everyone has them on their walls ;)
Quote from: lepidopteran on April 08, 2013, 10:03:05 PM
For a time, I-70 was significant to St. Louis, when Mark McGwire hit 70 home runs in one season, playing for the Cardinals.
Sometime after his 70 HR feat in 1998, the portion of I-70 in the city of St. Louis was named the "Mark McGwire Highway", but after his admission in 2010 to using steroids, the Missouri Legislature renamed it the "Mark Twain Highway"(pretty nice for them they only had to change one word).
Quote from: huskeroadgeek on April 14, 2013, 04:22:35 PM
Quote from: lepidopteran on April 08, 2013, 10:03:05 PM
For a time, I-70 was significant to St. Louis, when Mark McGwire hit 70 home runs in one season, playing for the Cardinals.
Sometime after his 70 HR feat in 1998, the portion of I-70 in the city of St. Louis was named the "Mark McGwire Highway", but after his admission in 2010 to using steroids, the Missouri Legislature renamed it the "Mark Twain Highway"(pretty nice for them they only had to change one word).
This is why you don't name things after living people.
Anyways, for a more obscure example of the "connects this to that" variety, PA 652 connects US 6 to NY 52.
Okay, now are there any other examples of this sort of thing that involve two different states?
Quote from: Duke87 on April 14, 2013, 11:54:15 PM
Anyways, for a more obscure example of the "connects this to that" variety, PA 652 connects US 6 to NY 52.
Okay, now are there any other examples of this sort of thing that involve two different states?
OH 852, which is the route that links US 52 to the Carl D. Perkins bridge across the Ohio River, which becomes Spur KY 8 and intersects KY 8.
There has to be some significance to OH-WV 527, which is the old routing of US 52 through downtown Huntington and ends at OH 7 just north of the Robert C. Byrd Bridge.
I was noticing that near Fort Worth, Texas that there is a TX 380 that was originally US 80. Of course there are parts of US 50 in MO and MD that were numbered like that with an x50, but the fact that the route number TX 380 is not connected to its parent in designation like MD 450 is connected to its parent and the same in Missouri with its child state route.
Apparently, TxDOT did not forget the historic US 80 at that location and kept it alive sort of. Part of its number still has significance obviously.
Quote from: roadman65 on April 13, 2013, 12:41:37 PMYou know that would actually fit the grid better. Even though it is west of I-95, it is not directly west of I-81. Then again, you could make I-4, I-95 and I-95 south of Daytona I-99.
I agree it would fit the grid better. But it's ironic that either of these new 99s would actually be about two degrees of longitude
further west than the current 99.
Quote from: roadman65 on April 24, 2013, 08:02:18 PM
I was noticing that near Fort Worth, Texas that there is a TX 380 that was originally US 80. Of course there are parts of US 50 in MO and MD that were numbered like that with an x50, but the fact that the route number TX 380 is not connected to its parent in designation like MD 450 is connected to its parent and the same in Missouri with its child state route.
Apparently, TxDOT did not forget the historic US 80 at that location and kept it alive sort of. Part of its number still has significance obviously.
TX 580? Or another route I'm not finding?
QuoteQuote from: kphoger on April 13, 2013, 01:43:02 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 13, 2013, 01:53:32 AM
Now how about US-491? It's significant because people wanted to be rid of the 666 designation, IIRC.
So it's sort of an anti-meaningful number. What I remember from driving a portion of US-666 was seeing zero route shields except for one waaaay up on stoplight arm (out of reach, I assume).
Everyone has them on their walls ;)
Same with any highway 69 (Interstate, state, US) I'm sure. Probably why there hasn't ever been an I-420 as well. :bigass:
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 24, 2013, 11:57:05 PM
QuoteQuote from: kphoger on April 13, 2013, 01:43:02 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 13, 2013, 01:53:32 AM
Now how about US-491? It's significant because people wanted to be rid of the 666 designation, IIRC.
So it's sort of an anti-meaningful number. What I remember from driving a portion of US-666 was seeing zero route shields except for one waaaay up on stoplight arm (out of reach, I assume).
Everyone has them on their walls ;)
Same with any highway 69 (Interstate, state, US) I'm sure. Probably why there hasn't ever been an I-420 as well. :bigass:
Close enough. Stony Ridge. LOL
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com%2Fe%2Fd%2Fcollegehumor.34da69eec8e098eddda340edd48b5573.jpg&hash=fc9f44b30505b232c922dbb6e60b6868d4a60c99)
Quote from: roadman65 on April 24, 2013, 08:02:18 PM
I was noticing that near Fort Worth, Texas that there is a TX 380 that was originally US 80. Of course there are parts of US 50 in MO and MD that were numbered like that with an x50, but the fact that the route number TX 380 is not connected to its parent in designation like MD 450 is connected to its parent and the same in Missouri with its child state route.
Apparently, TxDOT did not forget the historic US 80 at that location and kept it alive sort of. Part of its number still has significance obviously.
You're not thinking of US 380, are you?
Quote from: sandwalk on April 25, 2013, 12:38:25 AM
Close enough. Stony Ridge. LOL
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com%2Fe%2Fd%2Fcollegehumor.34da69eec8e098eddda340edd48b5573.jpg&hash=fc9f44b30505b232c922dbb6e60b6868d4a60c99)
However, in this case, the "420" refers to it being a branch off US-20. It can be mildly amusing as is the Richard I. Bong Recreation Area in SE Wisconsin.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 24, 2013, 11:57:05 PM
Probably why there hasn't ever been an I-420 as well. :bigass:
There was one planned for Atlanta, but it was never completed, so it is now a state highway, GA 166
Quote from: Road Hog on April 25, 2013, 09:23:53 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 24, 2013, 08:02:18 PM
I was noticing that near Fort Worth, Texas that there is a TX 380 that was originally US 80. Of course there are parts of US 50 in MO and MD that were numbered like that with an x50, but the fact that the route number TX 380 is not connected to its parent in designation like MD 450 is connected to its parent and the same in Missouri with its child state route.
Apparently, TxDOT did not forget the historic US 80 at that location and kept it alive sort of. Part of its number still has significance obviously.
You're not thinking of US 380, are you?
Who knows with roadman65. But the only 380's in Texas are the aforementioned US route and a spur down in Beaumont.
WI 441 is a beltline freeway from US 41. I am anticipating that it will likely become a full interstate once its currently planned upgrades in Winnebago County, WI are complete in a few years.
Mike
QuoteRichard I. Bong Recreation Area in SE Wisconsin.
Been there, seen that, and it is a place where I'm sure many a college kid has stopped for a picture....myself included.
This is still a favorite of mine as well, though I'm probably venturing off topic a bit, apologies admins.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_RLNC6hlFxrg%2FSayv6GBJToI%2FAAAAAAAABFk%2FemrrihrUwKw%2Fs400%2Fcollege-weed.jpg&hash=4ae8f8c19b40d5a792a3ba95150f5a2eefc4930f)
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 26, 2013, 12:10:22 AM
QuoteRichard I. Bong Recreation Area in SE Wisconsin.
Been there, seen that, and it is a place where I'm sure many a college kid has stopped for a picture....myself included.
This is still a favorite of mine as well, though I'm probably venturing off topic a bit, apologies admins.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_RLNC6hlFxrg%2FSayv6GBJToI%2FAAAAAAAABFk%2FemrrihrUwKw%2Fs400%2Fcollege-weed.jpg&hash=4ae8f8c19b40d5a792a3ba95150f5a2eefc4930f)
Doesn't this belong in the Photoshopped photos thread?
Quote from: InterstateNG on April 25, 2013, 10:19:02 AM
Quote from: Road Hog on April 25, 2013, 09:23:53 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 24, 2013, 08:02:18 PM
I was noticing that near Fort Worth, Texas that there is a TX 380 that was originally US 80. Of course there are parts of US 50 in MO and MD that were numbered like that with an x50, but the fact that the route number TX 380 is not connected to its parent in designation like MD 450 is connected to its parent and the same in Missouri with its child state route.
Apparently, TxDOT did not forget the historic US 80 at that location and kept it alive sort of. Part of its number still has significance obviously.
You're not thinking of US 380, are you?
Who knows with roadman65. But the only 380's in Texas are the aforementioned US route and a spur down in Beaumont.
I'm wondering if roadman65 means TX 580 in southwest Ft W, which runs from US 377 just north of the traffic circle west to where it meets I-30. I remember having driven on it as US 80 before the decommissioning.
Quote from: Steve on April 27, 2013, 03:21:03 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 26, 2013, 12:10:22 AM
QuoteRichard I. Bong Recreation Area in SE Wisconsin.
Been there, seen that, and it is a place where I'm sure many a college kid has stopped for a picture....myself included.
This is still a favorite of mine as well, though I'm probably venturing off topic a bit, apologies admins.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_RLNC6hlFxrg%2FSayv6GBJToI%2FAAAAAAAABFk%2FemrrihrUwKw%2Fs400%2Fcollege-weed.jpg&hash=4ae8f8c19b40d5a792a3ba95150f5a2eefc4930f)
Doesn't this belong in the Photoshopped photos thread?
No. IIRC, it is real, but may have been replaced. Here's some Google Street Views off I-5:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41.418691,-122.374306&spn=0.024619,0.038581&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=41.418785,-122.382609&panoid=6qTnEBjZQ6BTpN84eLHxnQ&cbp=12,327.02,,0,9.84
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41.417967,-122.383811&spn=0.012374,0.01929&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=41.417912,-122.383868&panoid=iLgIPykrrugxGIWNe_-lJQ&cbp=12,142.56,,0,8.51
Older sign still at the interchange:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41.417436,-122.384198&spn=0.012374,0.01929&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=41.41753,-122.384159&panoid=cAJLQoqcRoyT_LkQpuFa-w&cbp=12,236.96,,1,2.2
I know the Bong Recreation Area one was replaced in the 2000s. When I was going to college, it read "Bong Rec Area". I have the photo around here somewhere.
Probably just a coincidence...Interstate 270 into Washington DC....it takes 270 EV's to get to the White House.
Quote from: woodpusher on July 15, 2013, 11:10:58 PM
Probably just a coincidence...Interstate 270 into Washington DC....it takes 270 EV's to get to the White House.
With Ohio being a bellweather for national presidential elections, and Columbus as a microcosm for Ohio,
our I-270 is also symbolic for 270 electoral votes. In 2012, mayor Coleman called Columbus "the 270 solution" for Obama, and indeed it was Ohio's results announcement that put Obama over 270.
Sorry to necro on this, but I actually forgot that I made this post and never looked at the page afterwards, but I noticed someone pointing out that I posted about a TX 380 when in fact I was referring to TX Route 580 (Camp Bowman Blvd.) I do not know if I hit the wrong button or what, but TX 380 was what I was NOT posting about!