I found this archived Seattle Times article (http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20020630&slug=bumper30m0) from 2002 that explained some Seattle-area traffic terms (e.g. nicknames for freeways and landmarks). What does your area have, in terms of nicknames?
we generally refer to things with names like "wack slacks" and "harsh realm".
Wichitans call I-135 "I-35". :bigass:
"Yawn" for this thread, again.
Ditto.
If you don't like the thread, then don't respond like an ass.
There a few threads out there, but I'm not so sure they're compiled in one place.
Quote from: Brandon on April 09, 2013, 10:14:30 PM
If you don't like the thread, then don't respond like an ass.
There a few threads out there, but I'm not so sure they're compiled in one place.
Brandon, rather than constantly cause us moderators trouble, how about just finding the "ignore" feature and then let us deal with the yawns? Now both of you are in the wrong.
Now, here's a way to get this back on topic without duplicating other threads:
NYC: The entirety of the Queens-Midtown Expressway is referred to as the "L.I.E."
The "West Side Highway" goes all the way down to the (Brooklyn) "Battery Tunnel", or maybe people will call the surface part "West St.," ignoring the other names it carries.
The Harlem River Driveway (north of the I-95 connection) is lumped in with Harlem River Drive.
The I-95 Trans Manhattan Expressway is referred to as "under the apartments."
The NJ approach to the Lincoln Tunnel is called "the helix."
NJ Route 139 is the "1 and 9 approach" to the Holland Tunnel.
Not sure how prevalent it is elsewhere, but traffic reports here use "loaded up" to refer to stop and go traffic.
If this topic is what I think then you cannot rule out the Garden State Parkway as being called "The Parkway."
Quote from: roadman65 on April 09, 2013, 10:34:02 PM
If this topic is what I think then you cannot rule out the Garden State Parkway as being called "The Parkway."
Meh. Everyone calls their state's turnpike "The Turnpike." NY drops the words "River" and "State" when talking about its Parkways - and really just says "The Taconic" or "The Saw Mill." Those didn't seem notable enough to me.
Quote from: Steve on April 09, 2013, 10:58:07 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 09, 2013, 10:34:02 PM
If this topic is what I think then you cannot rule out the Garden State Parkway as being called "The Parkway."
Meh. Everyone calls their state's turnpike "The Turnpike." NY drops the words "River" and "State" when talking about its Parkways - and really just says "The Taconic" or "The Saw Mill." Those didn't seem notable enough to me.
Yeah that is why I did not mention the state Turnpikes. As far as NY Parkways go, the nickname for the Hutchinson River Parkway is quite nice "The Hutch."
Holy shit. Everyone calls Avenue of the Americas Sixth Avenue.
And everyone calls I-95 between Canton and Peabody, and I-93 between Canton and Braintree "Route 128".
The sharp turn along US 422 between PA 363 & the Oaks exit is referred to as the St.Gabe's Curve by Philly area traffic reporters.
I-676 in Philly is referred to as the Vine Expressway.
I-76 is referred to as the Schuylkill Expressway (aka Skoo-kill or Surekill).
I-76 between the Walt Whitman Bridge and I-295 is referred to as Route 42 by traffic reporters.
I-476 is referred to as the Blue Route.
The Roosevelt Expressway (US 1) bridges in Philly are referred to as the Twin Bridges.
The Massachusetts Turnpike is referred to as either the Mass Pike or The Pike.
I-93 between Mass Ave. (Exit 18) and MA 3 South (Exit 7) is referred to as the Southeast Expressway; prior to 1971, much of the Expressway had no route number assigned to it.
In Boston, the Gas Tanks refer to the elevated BostonGas tanks along the Southeast Expressway (I-93) near Exit 14 (Morrissey Blvd.). There's only one tank there now; there used to be two.
I-93's Exit 12 (for MA 3A South) interchange is referred to as Neponset Circle.
Exit 7 off I-93 (for MA 3 South) in Braintree is referred to as the Braintree Split.
Traffic reporters actually call out the jughandle intersection at US 1 in Peabody (just north of I-95/MA 128) as either the Peabody Jughandle or just The Jughandle.
In Revere, the MA 1A/16/60 rotary intersection is referred to as Bell Circle. Way back when, there used to be an Oldsmobile dealer adjacent to the circle that was originally named Bell Oldsmobile. It was later renamed York Oldsmobile until it eventually closed.
MA 28/16 intersection in Somerville is referred to as Assembly Square. It's in reference to an old Ford assembly plant that used to exist way back when; the Assembly Square Mall exists there today.
Quote from: Steve on April 09, 2013, 10:22:55 PM
The "West Side Highway" goes all the way down to the (Brooklyn) "Battery Tunnel", or maybe people will call the surface part "West St.," ignoring the other names it carries.
For traffic purposes, it's pretty much all "West Side Highway", or really just "the West Side", from the Battery to Inwood. This may or may not even be a conflation of all the road names; it could just be referring to the west side of Manhattan Island, as one of two basic ways to get in and out of town from points north. The other is along the Harlem and East Rivers, which is sometimes referred to as the "Harlem/FDR combination".
For addressing and intra-island purposes, I think "West St." is as common as any. Another name you seldom hear until you get to the Bronx is "Henry Hudson Parkway", even though that road begins down at 59th Street.
Some Boston area traffic nicknames and terms:
The lower deck - I-93 southbound between Somerville and Boston (the highway is a double deck structure, with the northbound on top and the southbound on the bottom).
The cloverleaf - interchange of I-93 and I-95 (MA 128) at the Woburn/Reading line
The supermarket overpass - in Newton where I-90 (MassPike) goes beneath a Shaws (originally Star Market) supermarket building.
The State Police Barracks - in Weston where I-90 (MassPike) goes past the Troop E headquarters and former Mass Turnpike Authority engineering headquarters buildings.
The jughandle - In Peabody at the north end of the US 1/I-95/MA 128 interchange. Northbound traffic goes through a jughandle to turn back southbound.
The loop ramp - connection between the Tobin Bridge and I-93 in Boston
Lynnfield tunnel - short underpass of US 1 under Salem Street/MA 129 interchange in Lynnfield
East Milton canyon - I-93 (Southeast Expressway) underneath local streets in East Milton Square, Milton.
Quote from: Steve on April 09, 2013, 10:58:07 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 09, 2013, 10:34:02 PM
If this topic is what I think then you cannot rule out the Garden State Parkway as being called "The Parkway."
Meh. Everyone calls their state's turnpike "The Turnpike." NY drops the words "River" and "State" when talking about its Parkways - and really just says "The Taconic" or "The Saw Mill." Those didn't seem notable enough to me.
In Rochester, we also drop "Lake" and "Ontario", such that the Lake Ontario State Parkway is just "the parkway". We can do this because the only other upstate parkways are the Taconic and the Robert Moses State Parkway in Buffalo.
We also have the "can of worms" for the I-590/I-490 interchange and "the split" for the I-590/I-390 interchange. I don't know of a name for the I-390/I-490 interchange though,
Quote from: roadman on April 10, 2013, 10:58:57 AM
The jughandle - In Peabody at the north end of the US 1/I-95/MA 128 interchange. Northbound traffic goes through a jughandle to turn back southbound.
Already covered that one. :)
Quote from: roadman on April 10, 2013, 10:58:57 AM
East Milton canyon - I-93 (Southeast Expressway) underneath local streets in East Milton Square, Milton.
That must be a newer term (post-1990). I remember Joe Greene of the 'BZ Copter always referring that area as simply
East Milton Square.
Another Mass Pike one: tunnel under the Prudential Center at Exit 22 is referred to as the
Pru Tunnel.
Quote from: vdeane on April 10, 2013, 11:30:03 AM
In Rochester, we also drop "Lake" and "Ontario", such that the Lake Ontario State Parkway is just "the parkway". We can do this because the only other upstate parkways are the Taconic and the Robert Moses State Parkway in Buffalo.
Plus one or two other recreational facilities called "parkways" (i.e., Veterans' Memorial at Lake George), but yes, the LOSP is the only parkway in the Rochester media market.
Quote from: vdeane on April 10, 2013, 11:30:03 AM
We also have the "can of worms" for the I-590/I-490 interchange and "the split" for the I-590/I-390 interchange. I don't know of a name for the I-390/I-490 interchange though,
Nor do I; it's usually just "490 at 390" or vice versa.
Is "Troup-Howell" still being used for the I-490 bridge over the Genesee, or has the now-correct Douglass/Anthony nomenclature caught on?
Still Troup-Howell as far as I know; I'd be hard pressed to know it's really Douglass/Anthony if not able to consult your last post.
Quote from: kphoger on April 09, 2013, 09:19:46 PM
Wichitans call I-135 "I-35". :bigass:
This isn't limited to Wichita. When I worked at a AAA office in Williamsport, PA, I had a
very frustrating time with an elderly woman trying to explain the difference between
I-80 and I-
180.
The 1s seem to be the ugly stepchildren 3DIs. Is it just my imagination–it seems there are a lot of 1XXs that dead-end at airports (190 at O'Hare, 195 at BWI, 105 at LAX). And people tend to think of them as the "road to the airport". Or they lead to godforsaken destinations like Hennepin, Salina, or Reading. Or Williamsport.
People in Williamsport refer to I-180 as "The Beltway" as the entire Lock Haven to Milton 80-to-80 loop was originally promoted as the Susquehanna Beltway. For many of the parochial people of the area, "beltway" has become a generic term for freeway.
Quote from: roadman65 on April 09, 2013, 10:34:02 PM
If this topic is what I think then you cannot rule out the Garden State Parkway as being called "The Parkway."
The same can be said for just about any of the parkways on Long Island, especially the Northern Parkway and the Southern Parkway. There even used to be some old signs at entrance ramps that just read "PARKWAY EAST" or "PARKWAY WEST."
Quote from: PHLBOS on April 10, 2013, 11:36:00 AM
Quote from: roadman on April 10, 2013, 10:58:57 AM
East Milton canyon - I-93 (Southeast Expressway) underneath local streets in East Milton Square, Milton.
That must be a newer term (post-1990). I remember Joe Greene of the 'BZ Copter always referring that area as simply East Milton Square.
You are correct PHLBOS. "East Milton Canyon" didn't exist in the Joe Greene and Officer Bill days. Even now, the term is not universally used by all Boston Traffic reporters to describe East Milton Square - most reporters now just call the location "East Milton", omitting the "Square" part. The "Canyon" moniker came into being some time after the present sound barriers were installed, and the "flower garden" deck placed over the Expressway, in the 1990s, and was a favorite term of some of the early SmartRoutes reporters for awhile.
Fixed quote. -Connor
Quote from: empirestate on April 10, 2013, 09:18:48 AMAnother name you seldom hear until you get to the Bronx is "Henry Hudson Parkway", even though that road begins down at 72nd Street.
FTFY. West Side Highway is 15 blocks long, let it exist in peace.
Quote from: briantroutman on April 10, 2013, 06:14:41 PM
The 1s seem to be the ugly stepchildren 3DIs. Is it just my imagination–it seems there are a lot of 1XXs that dead-end at airports (190 at O'Hare, 195 at BWI, 105 at LAX). And people tend to think of them as the "road to the airport". Or they lead to godforsaken destinations like Hennepin, Salina, or Reading. Or Williamsport.
People in Williamsport refer to I-180 as "The Beltway" as the entire Lock Haven to Milton 80-to-80 loop was originally promoted as the Susquehanna Beltway. For many of the parochial people of the area, "beltway" has become a generic term for freeway.
Re: I-180 - I-80 EB is signed to Williamsport from I-99, PAST 220, all the way to US 15. Why anyone wouldn't take 220 is beyond me, and it comes to the awkward situation where the top destination (Wport) is over a dozen miles past the bottom (Milton). Also, yeah, Wport isn't on I-80, so quit signing it there. That area's all screwed up.
As for 1xx that actually do something, let's keep in mind that we should only be comparing odd numbered spurs. I-195 MD is better than I-395 or I-795, and I-595 isn't even signed. I-195 NJ is quite important. I-176 PA is useful and goes to a relatively popular tourist spot (if you're poking around Dutch Country) in Reading. I-195 RI-MA is the link from NYC and beyond to Cape Cod, whereas I-395 CT-MA goes to... sigh, Worcester. So yeah, it's just you.
Here's a good one from Queens, New York:
"The boulevard of death." Also known as Queens Blvd.
Quote from: briantroutman on April 10, 2013, 06:14:41 PM
The 1s seem to be the ugly stepchildren 3DIs. Is it just my imagination–it seems there are a lot of 1XXs that dead-end at airports (190 at O'Hare, 195 at BWI, 105 at LAX). And people tend to think of them as the "road to the airport". Or they lead to godforsaken destinations like Hennepin, Salina, or Reading. Or Williamsport.
That brings up an interesting side topic, which surely deserves a separate thread...I have noticed a similar thing: that 3dis can be classed into groups by their first digit, beyond just even or odd parity, to at least a partial extent. 1xx's do tend to be more random spurs, while 3xx's are more likely to be downtown spurs, if very short ones. 2xx's are likely to be full or partial beltways. 6xx's are likely to be second-generation circumferential routes. 5xx's may often be indirectly-connected spurs. And so on.
Similarly, 2dis can sometimes show patterns according to their second digits, besides the obvious x0's and x5's being the most major grid routes. I-x1's are often relatively important regional or inter-regional routes (I-71, I-81, I-91). I-x4's are near stand-ins for I-x0's: I-44, I-64 and I-94 could all hold a claim to being as important as at least some existing I-x0's. I have no doubt that 64 and 94, at least, would indeed have been I-x0's, had not the decision been made to exclude I-50 and I-60.
In Salem, MA near the Salem-Marblehead line; Lafayette St. (MA 114) makes a very sharp curve near Salem Harbor. Most locals refer to it as
Dead Man's Curve (yes, from the 60s Jan & Dean song) due to the various accidents that occurred there.
Quote from: briantroutman on April 10, 2013, 06:14:41 PMPeople in Williamsport refer to I-180 as "The Beltway" as the entire Lock Haven to Milton 80-to-80 loop was originally promoted as the Susquehanna Beltway. For many of the parochial people of the area, "beltway" has become a generic term for freeway.
Fictional territory here but IMHO, both I-180 and US 220 (future I-99) should be redesignated as I-280; thereby implying a through beltway (I-80 to I-80).
Quote from: PHLBOS on April 11, 2013, 09:32:06 AM
In Salem, MA near the Salem-Marblehead line; Lafayette St. (MA 114) makes a very sharp curve near Salem Harbor. Most locals refer to it as Dead Man's Curve (yes, from the 60s Jan & Dean song) due to the various accidents that occurred there.
The state is actually working to fix that right now. A friend of mine over in the traffic safety division has been running through options to improve it for a while now.
In the DC area, the traffic reporters refer to the Southwest—Southeast Freeway simply as "the Freeway." There are other roads in the area that incorporate the word "freeway" (I-295 is the Anacostia Freeway; part of I-395 is the Center Leg Freeway although almost nobody knows that; a short piece of US-29 is the Whitehurst Freeway), but the only one for which the word "freeway" is ever used is the Southwest—Southeast Freeway. I've always thought of "freeway" as being more of a West Coast term because it's not one I've ever heard used very often.
It's well-documented in various places that the massive interchange of I-395 and VA-27 near the Pentagon was historically called the "Mixing Bowl," but nowadays if you use that term most people invariably associate it with the Springfield Interchange because the Washington Post inexplicably started using that name for the Springfield Interchange in the late 1990s and the other local media outlets jumped onboard. I hear the term "Mixing Bowl" a lot less often these days since the reconstruction down there was finished, although some people still use it.
Amherst Avenue in Springfield, Virginia, is almost always called Backlick Road. This is a function of road re-routing. Backlick Road parallels Amherst and was originally a two-way street that suffered from congestion. Sometime in the mid-1980s they reconfigured it so that Backlick runs one-way northbound and Amherst runs one-way southbound. Other than for mailing purposes, or the cop who gave Ms1995hoo a warning ticket for speeding, I've never heard anyone refer to Amherst Avenue by that name because people think of it as being part of Backlick Road as a longer thru route.
The I-270 Spur is generally just called "the spur."
Quote from: PHLBOS on April 11, 2013, 09:32:06 AM
Quote from: briantroutman on April 10, 2013, 06:14:41 PMPeople in Williamsport refer to I-180 as "The Beltway" as the entire Lock Haven to Milton 80-to-80 loop was originally promoted as the Susquehanna Beltway. For many of the parochial people of the area, "beltway" has become a generic term for freeway.
Fictional territory here but IMHO, both I-180 and US 220 (future I-99) should be redesignated as I-280; thereby implying a through beltway (I-80 to I-80).
I've often wondered about this–since the Susquehanna Beltway was planned as a continuous freeway from I-80 back to I-80, why it was given an odd designation. The only explanation I can think of is that, by the mid '80s, PennDOT realized that they wouldn't be completing the gaps SW of Lock Haven and between Jersey Shore and Williamsport anytime soon. And under pressure to get some kind of an Interstate designation in the road, they numbered the eastern half of the loop odd. Now almost 30 years later, the missing freeway sections still haven't been built.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on April 11, 2013, 10:06:11 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on April 11, 2013, 09:32:06 AM
In Salem, MA near the Salem-Marblehead line; Lafayette St. (MA 114) makes a very sharp curve near Salem Harbor. Most locals refer to it as Dead Man's Curve (yes, from the 60s Jan & Dean song) due to the various accidents that occurred there.
The state is actually working to fix that right now. A friend of mine over in the traffic safety division has been running through options to improve it for a while now.
The area was recently restriped with some cross-hatch striping along the shoulders. There's also a lighted
YOUR SPEED sign prior to the curve in the eastbound direction.
What type of fix is MassDOT planning? My mother still lives in Marblehead (further up Lafayette) and will, no doubt, be impacted by any construction when heading towards Salem/Peabody/Danvers.
Quote from: briantroutman on April 11, 2013, 01:03:32 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on April 11, 2013, 09:32:06 AM
Quote from: briantroutman on April 10, 2013, 06:14:41 PMPeople in Williamsport refer to I-180 as "The Beltway" as the entire Lock Haven to Milton 80-to-80 loop was originally promoted as the Susquehanna Beltway. For many of the parochial people of the area, "beltway" has become a generic term for freeway.
Fictional territory here but IMHO, both I-180 and US 220 (future I-99) should be redesignated as I-280; thereby implying a through beltway (I-80 to I-80).
I've often wondered about this–since the Susquehanna Beltway was planned as a continuous freeway from I-80 back to I-80, why it was given an odd designation. The only explanation I can think of is that, by the mid '80s, PennDOT realized that they wouldn't be completing the gaps SW of Lock Haven and between Jersey Shore and Williamsport anytime soon. And under pressure to get some kind of an Interstate designation in the road, they numbered the eastern half of the loop odd. Now almost 30 years later, the missing freeway sections still haven't been built.
I-180 originally stopped at US 220; it's only more recently that it was extended to US 15.
Quote from: PHLBOS on April 11, 2013, 03:19:42 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on April 11, 2013, 10:06:11 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on April 11, 2013, 09:32:06 AM
In Salem, MA near the Salem-Marblehead line; Lafayette St. (MA 114) makes a very sharp curve near Salem Harbor. Most locals refer to it as Dead Man's Curve (yes, from the 60s Jan & Dean song) due to the various accidents that occurred there.
The state is actually working to fix that right now. A friend of mine over in the traffic safety division has been running through options to improve it for a while now.
The area was recently restriped with some cross-hatch striping along the shoulders. There's also a lighted YOUR SPEED sign prior to the curve in the eastbound direction.
What type of fix is MassDOT planning? My mother still lives in Marblehead (further up Lafayette) and will, no doubt, be impacted by any construction when heading towards Salem/Peabody/Danvers.
No idea, last I talked to him about it they were still weighing options and sorting through things like crash data.
Quote from: vdeane on April 11, 2013, 05:01:07 PM
I-180 originally stopped at US 220; it's only more recently that it was extended to US 15.
According to PAHighways, 180 was designated in 1984 from US 15 all the way to I-80 near Milton. Prior to that, the freeway section from Williamsport to Pennsdale was just US 220 and the remainder of the freeway southeastward was PA 147.
Then how do you explain the backwards exit numbers? The can't be PA 147's, because they start at I-80 while the PA 147 freeway starts further south. They also can't be I-180's without an extension, because I-180 is an east-west road.
The exit numbers weren't added until PA switched to mileage-based numbering in 2001. Prior to that, most guide signs had blank exit tabs. To me, that seemed to suggest PennDOT was a little noncommittal about the 180 designation and was holding off on numbering interchanges until the entire beltway was finalized.
As to the E-W vs N-S issue, I have to think that also was a holdover from the original beltway plans which they never changed when the exit numbers were added. But regardless of the cardinal direction, it's consistent with the MUTCD that exit numbering would begin at the parent.
Quote from: PHLBOS on April 10, 2013, 08:57:19 AM
I-93 between Mass Ave. (Exit 18) and MA 3 South (Exit 7) is referred to as the Southeast Expressway; prior to 1971, much of the Expressway had no route number assigned to it.
Moreover, it's often referred to simply as "the Expressway," sine it's the only expressway name used around here anymore.
QuoteMA 28/16 intersection in Somerville is referred to as Assembly Square. It's in reference to an old Ford assembly plant that used to exist way back when; the Assembly Square Mall exists there today.
Yeah, but that's scratching the surface of the squares, which aren't simply local shorthand but actual named places.
Quote from: roadman on April 10, 2013, 10:58:57 AM
Some Boston area traffic nicknames and terms:
The lower deck - I-93 southbound between Somerville and Boston (the highway is a double deck structure, with the northbound on top and the southbound on the bottom).
The cloverleaf - interchange of I-93 and I-95 (MA 128) at the Woburn/Reading line
The supermarket overpass - in Newton where I-90 (MassPike) goes beneath a Shaws (originally Star Market) supermarket building.
The State Police Barracks - in Weston where I-90 (MassPike) goes past the Troop E headquarters and former Mass Turnpike Authority engineering headquarters buildings.
The jughandle - In Peabody at the north end of the US 1/I-95/MA 128 interchange. Northbound traffic goes through a jughandle to turn back southbound.
The loop ramp - connection between the Tobin Bridge and I-93 in Boston
Lynnfield tunnel - short underpass of US 1 under Salem Street/MA 129 interchange in Lynnfield
East Milton canyon - I-93 (Southeast Expressway) underneath local streets in East Milton Square, Milton.
Storrow Drive, Embankment Rd/Mugar Way, and Charles Street east of Charles Circle are all colloquially understood to be Storrow Drive, which frankly makes a lot more sense. Soldiers Field Road is often lumped in there too, though it sometimes gets credit for existing on its own. And finally, all of these and Memorial Drive in Cambridge (with its appendices Land Blvd and Greenough Blvd) are often lumped together in traffic reports as simply "the river roads."
Just thinking about it makes me feel late for work.
Quote from: briantroutman on April 12, 2013, 01:15:33 PM
As to the E-W vs N-S issue, I have to think that also was a holdover from the original beltway plans which they never changed when the exit numbers were added. But regardless of the cardinal direction, it's consistent with the MUTCD that exit numbering would begin at the parent.
Actually, it's because I-180 was originally north-south, then later changed to east-west.
SR 59 in Akron is known as "the Innerbelt," whereas I-76 from U.S. 224 to I-77 is refered to as the "Kenmore Leg" since it went through that part of the city.
Quote from: Steve on April 12, 2013, 05:34:47 PM
Actually, it's because I-180 was originally north-south, then later changed to east-west.
Did you see this somewhere? Maybe this was a change too early for me to recall. Going back as far as I can possibly remember (about 1987 or so) it was E-W. And the original button-copy guides (mostly removed in the past couple of years) indicated E-W with no indications of having been changed (no green-out or ghost letters). Unless the letters were swapped out when the signs were nearly new, of course.
Are you maybe confusing this with 380, which was oddly signed E-W until the exit renumbering around 2001-2002 when it was re-signed N-S?
Quote from: briantroutman on April 12, 2013, 06:39:58 PM
Quote from: Steve on April 12, 2013, 05:34:47 PM
Actually, it's because I-180 was originally north-south, then later changed to east-west.
Did you see this somewhere? Maybe this was a change too early for me to recall. Going back as far as I can possibly remember (about 1987 or so) it was E-W. And the original button-copy guides (mostly removed in the past couple of years) indicated E-W with no indications of having been changed (no green-out or ghost letters). Unless the letters were swapped out when the signs were nearly new, of course.
Are you maybe confusing this with 380, which was oddly signed E-W until the exit renumbering around 2001-2002 when it was re-signed N-S?
Considering my caption says "ameliorating of", I haven't looked at this page in quite awhile. I don't know what my original source was.
There are a couple here in Cincinnati:
"The Lockland Canyon/Split": The southbound lanes of I-75 actually descend briefly between Exit 13 (Shepherd Lane/Lincoln Heights) and Exit 10 (Galbraith Road/OH SR 126 aka Ronald Reagan Cross County Highway), with the surrounding neighborhood above necessitating concrete walls, thus getting the name of "The Lockland Canyon", and in the same area northbound and southbound lanes are separated by this same neighborhood, thus "The Lockland Split".
"The Big Mac": I-471 bridge over the Ohio River from Newport, so named because it apparently looks like the McDonald's Golden Arches. Personally...I don't see it, and I've lived here 27 years and counting. Same color, yes. Same look? Not even close.
"The Purple People Bridge": Former railroad and roadway bridge, now used exclusively for pedestrian traffic (also bikes/skaters/skateboarders) -- and yes, it's painted purple.
"The Cut-in-the-Hill": Two separate hills get this distinction:
1) The more well known version along I-75/71 between downtown Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky, from Exit 192, Fifth Street/Covington/Newport to Exit 189, KY SR 1072 aka Kyles Lane/Fort Wright/Park Hills
2) I-71 from about exit 9, Red Bank Road/Expressway to either at or just south of Exit 12, Montgomery Road in the Kenwood area, to distinguish it from the first it is commonly called "the Kenwood Cut".
Quote from: briantroutman on April 12, 2013, 01:15:33 PM
The exit numbers weren't added until PA switched to mileage-based numbering in 2001. Prior to that, most guide signs had blank exit tabs. To me, that seemed to suggest PennDOT was a little noncommittal about the 180 designation and was holding off on numbering interchanges until the entire beltway was finalized.
As to the E-W vs N-S issue, I have to think that also was a holdover from the original beltway plans which they never changed when the exit numbers were added. But regardless of the cardinal direction, it's consistent with the MUTCD that exit numbering would begin at the parent.
I don't believe there's any such rule. I can think of a few in NY that don't do this:
-I-290's numbers start at I-190
-I-390's numbers start at I-86 (thankfully; starting at I-90 would be confusing)
-I-890's numbers are a continuation of NY 890's, which start at NY 5
-None of the I-x95s start numbering at I-95
-I-684 starts at I-287
And that's just NY.
Quote from: JMoses24 on April 12, 2013, 07:11:01 PM
"The Cut-in-the-Hill": Two separate hills get this distinction:
1) The more well known version along I-75/71 between downtown Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky, from Exit 192, Fifth Street/Covington/Newport to Exit 189, KY SR 1072 aka Kyles Lane/Fort Wright/Park Hills
I still call that "Death Hill" because that's the nickname it had before it was rebuilt in the late 80s/early 90s.
Quote from: vdeane on April 12, 2013, 10:05:59 PM
I don't believe there's any such rule. I can think of a few in NY that don't do this:
-I-290's numbers start at I-190
-I-390's numbers start at I-86 (thankfully; starting at I-90 would be confusing)
-I-890's numbers are a continuation of NY 890's, which start at NY 5
-None of the I-x95s start numbering at I-95
-I-684 starts at I-287
And that's just NY.
That is what the MUTCD says anyway...
Quote from: MUTCD 2009Spur route interchanges shall be numbered in ascending order starting at the interchange where the spur leaves the mainline route
...although there are lots of violators, like I-195 in MD, I-355 in IL, I-196 in MI–probably more that violate than don't. Even 3DIs are a different matter, either supposed to start at the southern or western end for a partial loop or at the six-o-clock position for a full 360° beltway.
Step 1: Take the word "the"
Step 2: Add said word to the appropriate route number. i.e. The 55.
Step 3: Welcome yourself to southern California! :bigass:
Kidding aside, that is a local thing near me that doesn't seem to be used in other areas, even in state (people in the Bay Area for example don't go around calling it The 280 from what I've heard)
Some other interesting terms and nicknames I've noticed.
Oregon: Bought a house in Bend recently, and hear highway used in Oregon more than route numbers, with a few exceptions. In central Oregon, I've often heard OR-58, linking US 97 to the Eugene area referred to as the Willamette Highway, OR-242 as the MacKenzie Highway, and in Portland there is the Sunset Highway (US-26) and Banfield (I-84). Oddly, I don't hear US-97 ever called The Dalles-California Highway or I-5 as the Pacific Highway.
Texas:
One thing I heard on business in Houston was the term "feeder road" for frontage roads. Haven't heard that anywhere else.
I'm sure I've got more, but that's all I can think of for now.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 09, 2013, 09:14:56 PM
we generally refer to things with names like "wack slacks" and "harsh realm".
Whoa, check out the cob nobbler.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunge_speak
Quote from: Steve on April 09, 2013, 10:22:55 PM
Now, here's a way to get this back on topic without duplicating other threads:
NYC: The entirety of the Queens-Midtown Expressway is referred to as the "L.I.E."
The "West Side Highway" goes all the way down to the (Brooklyn) "Battery Tunnel", or maybe people will call the surface part "West St.," ignoring the other names it carries.
The Harlem River Driveway (north of the I-95 connection) is lumped in with Harlem River Drive.
The I-95 Trans Manhattan Expressway is referred to as "under the apartments."
The NJ approach to the Lincoln Tunnel is called "the helix."
NJ Route 139 is the "1 and 9 approach" to the Holland Tunnel.
Not sure how prevalent it is elsewhere, but traffic reports here use "loaded up" to refer to stop and go traffic.
And of course, I-95 from Teaneck to Fort Lee gets periodically called "80-95," even though 80 never coexists with 95 (though I have seen this section labeled "Bergen-Passaic Expressway" like 80 west of here, a name no one uses anyway).
The two halves of the NJ Turnpike in the Meadowlands are called the "eastern and western spurs," even though I wouldn't say either is a spur per se.
The entire complex in the Bronx where the Cross Bronx Expressway meets the Whitestone Expressway, Hutchinson River Parkway, and Bruckner Expressway (I'm sure I'm forgetting one) is called "the Bruckner Interchange." Going north, the names New England Thruway and Connecticut Turnpike (both I-95) are still far more common in traffic reports than in common parlance (I sense a thread of names few people use anymore...).
Quote from: briantroutman on April 10, 2013, 06:14:41 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 09, 2013, 09:19:46 PM
Wichitans call I-135 "I-35". :bigass:
This isn't limited to Wichita. When I worked at a AAA office in Williamsport, PA, I had a very frustrating time with an elderly woman trying to explain the difference between I-80 and I-180.
The 1s seem to be the ugly stepchildren 3DIs. Is it just my imaginationit seems there are a lot of 1XXs that dead-end at airports (190 at O'Hare, 195 at BWI, 105 at LAX). And people tend to think of them as the "road to the airport". Or they lead to godforsaken destinations like Hennepin, Salina, or Reading. Or Williamsport.
People in Williamsport refer to I-180 as "The Beltway" as the entire Lock Haven to Milton 80-to-80 loop was originally promoted as the Susquehanna Beltway. For many of the parochial people of the area, "beltway" has become a generic term for freeway.
The more I go along, the less I like parent/child route numbers. I'd rather have random numbers than regions where five highways all share the last two digits.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on April 13, 2013, 04:03:54 AM(I sense a thread of names few people use anymore...).
Just take Route 6 to the George Washington Bridge or Route S-3 to the Lincoln Tunnel.
Access roads,
Frontage roads,
Service roads,
Feeder roads,
Carriles laterales... :sombrero:
Are there other names for these things?
Quote from: kphoger on April 13, 2013, 04:27:37 PM
Access roads,
Frontage roads,
Service roads,
Feeder roads,
Carriles laterales... :sombrero:
Are there other names for these things?
On Route 3 they're called the Local Lanes.
"The 93 Strip" - refers to businesses along US 93 in Missoula.
"Deadman's Corner" - just a phrase I coined up upon slipping off a corner departing a railroad crossing on Beckwith Street in Frenchtown proper. People tend to brake within at least less than 100 feet from the 90 degree corner and end up there. Some just plow past the corner and slam into the guardrail that is supposed to act as a barrier in front of the Montana Rail Link utility shed.
"Old Highway 10" - the remnances of what was US 10 in Missoula before being culled (or pushed back) to Fargo, ND in 1986. (Well, until the goats from Alanland ate up the remnances of US 10 anyways!)
Quote from: kphoger on April 13, 2013, 04:27:37 PM
Access roads,
Frontage roads,
Service roads,
Feeder roads,
Carriles laterales... :sombrero:
Are there other names for these things?
My wife has a few names for them, based on her travels in Texas. None are suitable for a family-friendly Web site. :verymad:
Quote from: Steve on April 13, 2013, 05:58:43 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 13, 2013, 04:27:37 PM
Access roads,
Frontage roads,
Service roads,
Feeder roads,
Carriles laterales... :sombrero:
Are there other names for these things?
On Route 3 they're called the Local Lanes.
Collector/distributor roads.
Marginal roads.
Quote from: roadman65 on April 09, 2013, 10:34:02 PM
If this topic is what I think then you cannot rule out the Garden State Parkway as being called "The Parkway."
"The Parkway" is actually a street name in Alexandria ,VA . It runs between Telegraph Rd and S Kings Hwy.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on April 13, 2013, 08:15:52 PM
Quote from: Steve on April 13, 2013, 05:58:43 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 13, 2013, 04:27:37 PM
Access roads,
Frontage roads,
Service roads,
Feeder roads,
Carriles laterales... :sombrero:
Are there other names for these things?
On Route 3 they're called the Local Lanes.
Collector/distributor roads.
Marginal roads.
Collector/distributor roads at least are something different to me. They're the lanes on either side of I-5 here (http://goo.gl/maps/Achih) separating the cloverleaf from the mainline to minimize weaving. But they're still part of the limited-access portion of the freeway, whereas a frontage road typically has no shortage of businesses and private driveways.
Quote from: kphoger on April 13, 2013, 04:27:37 PM
Access roads,
Frontage roads,
Service roads,
Feeder roads,
Carriles laterales... :sombrero:
Are there other names for these things?
I've heard them called "side streets."
Quote from: kendancy66 on April 13, 2013, 10:03:02 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 09, 2013, 10:34:02 PM
If this topic is what I think then you cannot rule out the Garden State Parkway as being called "The Parkway."
"The Parkway" is actually a street name in Alexandria ,VA . It runs between Telegraph Rd and S Kings Hwy.
I live not far from there. My sat-nav shows it as a street called simply "The" (i.e., Telegraph Road is shown as "Telegraph" and so "The Parkway" is shown as "The").
Quote from: Pete from Boston on April 13, 2013, 08:15:52 PM
Quote from: Steve on April 13, 2013, 05:58:43 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 13, 2013, 04:27:37 PM
Access roads,
Frontage roads,
Service roads,
Feeder roads,
Carriles laterales... :sombrero:
Are there other names for these things?
On Route 3 they're called the Local Lanes.
Collector/distributor roads.
Marginal roads.
In MO, most if not all are called 'outer roads'.
Quote from: txstateends on April 14, 2013, 04:29:11 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on April 13, 2013, 08:15:52 PM
Quote from: Steve on April 13, 2013, 05:58:43 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 13, 2013, 04:27:37 PM
Access roads,
Frontage roads,
Service roads,
Feeder roads,
Carriles laterales... :sombrero:
Are there other names for these things?
On Route 3 they're called the Local Lanes.
Collector/distributor roads.
Marginal roads.
In MO, most if not all are called 'outer roads'.
I've heard both "outer lanes" and "outer roadway" in traffic reports.
Backage roads are cooler.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 12, 2013, 11:31:15 PM
Quote from: JMoses24 on April 12, 2013, 07:11:01 PM
"The Cut-in-the-Hill": Two separate hills get this distinction:
1) The more well known version along I-75/71 between downtown Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky, from Exit 192, Fifth Street/Covington/Newport to Exit 189, KY SR 1072 aka Kyles Lane/Fort Wright/Park Hills
I still call that "Death Hill" because that's the nickname it had before it was rebuilt in the late 80s/early 90s.
I had forgotten about that. Then again, in the late 80s/early 90s I was a little kid who had no concept of interchanges, cloverleaves, lane miles or anything of that sort. Though I did know what a road sign was. :)
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 14, 2013, 03:29:31 PM
Quote from: kendancy66 on April 13, 2013, 10:03:02 PM
"The Parkway" is actually a street name in Alexandria ,VA . It runs between Telegraph Rd and S Kings Hwy.
I live not far from there. My sat-nav shows it as a street called simply "The" (i.e., Telegraph Road is shown as "Telegraph" and so "The Parkway" is shown as "The").
That's a humorous example of how so many of our new-fangled data systems can't correctly parse the various "parts of speech" in a road name. A more common example is abbreviating cardinal directions when they're part of the name proper, rather than being used as a modifier. "E End Ave" is a Pittsburgh street I used to live on; it's actually {East End} Ave, not the eastern component of the {End} Ave system. A more egregious example shows up in Austin, TX, where you get "Far W Blvd" instead of "Far West Blvd".
Ironically, "The" for "The Parkway" is strangely correct in a system that is expected to drop road type descriptors. "Parkway" is still being used as a descriptor here; it's just that they deciding not to identify the parkway any more specifically by giving it a proper name, so it gets the generic article "The". A workaround would be to classify {The Parkway} as the proper name, without any descriptors, but that doesn't quite reflect the function of the word "Parkway" in this construct.
I don't know why I seem to be fascinated by the grammar of street names...
Quote from: txstateends on April 14, 2013, 04:29:11 PM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on April 13, 2013, 08:15:52 PM
Quote from: Steve on April 13, 2013, 05:58:43 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 13, 2013, 04:27:37 PM
Access roads,
Frontage roads,
Service roads,
Feeder roads,
Carriles laterales... :sombrero:
Are there other names for these things?
On Route 3 they're called the Local Lanes.
Collector/distributor roads.
Marginal roads.
In MO, most if not all are called 'outer roads'.
Oh, of course! How did I forget that one?
Quote from: NE2 on April 14, 2013, 07:49:21 PM
Backage roads are cooler.
Pooing is coolest.
Quote from: NE2 on April 14, 2013, 07:49:21 PM
Backage roads are cooler.
And they totally exist (https://maps.google.com/?ll=40.896437,-74.231507&spn=0.004039,0.009817&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=40.896437,-74.231507&panoid=PFiH7wDQtkruLkF0xfHQuw&cbp=12,147.22,,0,4.23).
Hell yeah they do. Pedestrian access from the main road, vehicle access from the backage road.
Quote from: NE2 on April 16, 2013, 02:09:02 AM
Hell yeah they do. Pedestrian access from the main road, vehicle access from the backage road.
I don't think "large box stores with huge parking lots in front" precisely match your ideas of a pedestrian-friendly multimodal utopia.
I don't know..... I've seen large trucks, passenger cars, pedestrians, cyclists, and transit buses all share those parking lots quite harmoniously. :cool:
Quote from: kphoger on April 16, 2013, 02:40:55 PM
I don't know..... I've seen large trucks, passenger cars, pedestrians, cyclists, and transit buses all share those parking lots quite harmoniously. :cool:
maybe it's just California... here, people seem to devolve to a more simian form when they enter a mall parking lot.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 16, 2013, 03:02:03 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 16, 2013, 02:40:55 PM
I don't know..... I've seen large trucks, passenger cars, pedestrians, cyclists, and transit buses all share those parking lots quite harmoniously. :cool:
maybe it's just California... here, people seem to devolve to a more simian form when they enter a mall parking lot.
Then again, you have unwritten rules in some areas like Chicagoland.
Here, the rule is that he who has the biggest balls wins the right-of-way, be it pedestrian, bicycle, or automobile. Usually eye-to-eye contact is all that is needed, and he who blinks is he who gives right-of-way. I do it rather often while walking through a parking lot.
Of course, all that goes out the window with an eighteen wheeler or a beater. They tend to get right-of-way regardless.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 16, 2013, 03:02:03 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 16, 2013, 02:40:55 PM
I don't know..... I've seen large trucks, passenger cars, pedestrians, cyclists, and transit buses all share those parking lots quite harmoniously. :cool:
maybe it's just California... here, people seem to devolve to a more simian form when they enter a mall parking lot.
In my universe, chaos and harmony can coexist.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 16, 2013, 03:02:03 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 16, 2013, 02:40:55 PM
I don't know..... I've seen large trucks, passenger cars, pedestrians, cyclists, and transit buses all share those parking lots quite harmoniously. :cool:
maybe it's just California... here, people seem to devolve to a more simian form when they enter a mall parking lot.
Pretty much. When you put a stop sign in a residential area, people don't necessarily obey it, but they do take it for guidance. "Okay, I'll slow down and look both way, but now way am I going to come to a complete stop." Do the same in a parking lot, complete with pavement markings, and it's completely ignored.
And I'd argue that typically the latter stop sign is more necessary.
In the NYC area, (Westchester County, NY and CT), Route 1 is the (boston) post road even in towns/cities in which it has a different name. Also, A road is named for the town it reaches, like Tarrytown Rd, Old Stamford Rd (CT-106), Danbury Rd (US-7).
Even though U.S. 29 runs north and south, the part in Prince William, Fairfax and Arlington Counties runs mostly E-W. Most of it is known as Lee Highway, and is frequently discussed as running east and west.
Quote from: kphoger on April 16, 2013, 03:38:24 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 16, 2013, 03:02:03 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 16, 2013, 02:40:55 PM
I don't know..... I've seen large trucks, passenger cars, pedestrians, cyclists, and transit buses all share those parking lots quite harmoniously. :cool:
maybe it's just California... here, people seem to devolve to a more simian form when they enter a mall parking lot.
In my universe, chaos and harmony can coexist.
Alanland?
Quote from: Kacie Jane on April 16, 2013, 03:53:34 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 16, 2013, 03:02:03 PM
Quote from: kphoger on April 16, 2013, 02:40:55 PM
I don't know..... I've seen large trucks, passenger cars, pedestrians, cyclists, and transit buses all share those parking lots quite harmoniously. :cool:
maybe it's just California... here, people seem to devolve to a more simian form when they enter a mall parking lot.
Pretty much. When you put a stop sign in a residential area, people don't necessarily obey it, but they do take it for guidance. "Okay, I'll slow down and look both way, but now way am I going to come to a complete stop." Do the same in a parking lot, complete with pavement markings, and it's completely ignored.
And I'd argue that typically the latter stop sign is more necessary.
And then there are those places that make it really easy to get in but hard to get out, or place stop signs at every single place a pedestrian might cross when a yield sign would be more appropriate.
Quote from: vdeane on April 17, 2013, 11:16:35 AM
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And then there are those places that make it really easy to get in but hard to get out, or place stop signs at every single place a pedestrian might cross when a yield sign would be more appropriate.
Then you have shopping centers that paint "STOP" on the pavement as you approach crosswalks or intersections but also post a sign saying "Stop for Pedestrians in Crosswalk." Fair City Mall in Fairfax, Virginia, used to do that. It inevitably results in inconsistent driving when some drivers interpret the sign as controlling while others obey the pavement markings. Fair City Mall had those signs up when I was in high school and my friends and I all naturally fell on the "obey the signs" side....it was damn annoying when you got stuck behind an old lady who insisted on stopping at every crosswalk even when no pedestrians were around.
Quote from: spmkam on April 16, 2013, 08:02:16 PMAlso, A road is named for the town it reaches, like Tarrytown Rd, Old Stamford Rd (CT-106), Danbury Rd (US-7).
I thought at first Massachusetts did the same thing - then I realized that that's only true for about half the roads in this state named after a town. The rest are just random. Of the ~100 Salem Streets, maybe 10 of them actually go to Salem.
There are definitely some aberrations; I will give you that.
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 17, 2013, 11:20:38 AM
Quote from: vdeane on April 17, 2013, 11:16:35 AM
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And then there are those places that make it really easy to get in but hard to get out, or place stop signs at every single place a pedestrian might cross when a yield sign would be more appropriate.
Then you have shopping centers that paint "STOP" on the pavement as you approach crosswalks or intersections but also post a sign saying "Stop for Pedestrians in Crosswalk."
Simply painting STOP on the pavement should be expressly forbidden by the MUTCD (and it may be now - I am not sure).
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 17, 2013, 11:20:38 AM
Quote from: vdeane on April 17, 2013, 11:16:35 AM
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And then there are those places that make it really easy to get in but hard to get out, or place stop signs at every single place a pedestrian might cross when a yield sign would be more appropriate.
Then you have shopping centers that paint "STOP" on the pavement as you approach crosswalks or intersections but also post a sign saying "Stop for Pedestrians in Crosswalk."
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My local WalMart has STOP signs at the crosswalks in front of the doors, but YIELD painted on the pavement.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 18, 2013, 08:49:15 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 17, 2013, 11:20:38 AM
Quote from: vdeane on April 17, 2013, 11:16:35 AM
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And then there are those places that make it really easy to get in but hard to get out, or place stop signs at every single place a pedestrian might cross when a yield sign would be more appropriate.
Then you have shopping centers that paint "STOP" on the pavement as you approach crosswalks or intersections but also post a sign saying "Stop for Pedestrians in Crosswalk."
Simply painting STOP on the pavement should be expressly forbidden by the MUTCD (and it may be now - I am not sure).
I think it's generally not a good idea, especially due to this thing called "winter" (which I think affects every state except Hawaii now).
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 18, 2013, 08:49:15 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 17, 2013, 11:20:38 AM
Quote from: vdeane on April 17, 2013, 11:16:35 AM
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And then there are those places that make it really easy to get in but hard to get out, or place stop signs at every single place a pedestrian might cross when a yield sign would be more appropriate.
Then you have shopping centers that paint "STOP" on the pavement as you approach crosswalks or intersections but also post a sign saying "Stop for Pedestrians in Crosswalk."
Simply painting STOP on the pavement should be expressly forbidden by the MUTCD (and it may be now - I am not sure).
I doubt the mall operator would care.
Maybe require private entities to follow the MUTCD if they want there traffic control devices to be binding (eg, if they don't comply, drivers can ignore them at will).
Quote from: vdeane on April 20, 2013, 11:47:36 AM
Maybe require private entities to follow the MUTCD if they want there traffic control devices to be binding (eg, if they don't comply, drivers can ignore them at will).
Drivers already can and do ignore them at will. Mall security don't have the power to write tickets, they can just tell you to leave. And in most states, as I understand it, police are not responsible for traffic enforcement on private property (which is why you sometimes end up with a separate police department for a private road(s), or a special state police unit paid for by the owner of the road(s)).
I've seen TONS of state police doing enforcement in the local WalMart parking lot before. Good thing too, because it's frequent for drivers to go the wrong way down the one-way parking rows.
Quote from: spmkam on April 16, 2013, 08:02:16 PM
In the NYC area, (Westchester County, NY and CT), Route 1 is the (boston) post road even in towns/cities in which it has a different name. Also, A road is named for the town it reaches, like Tarrytown Rd, Old Stamford Rd (CT-106), Danbury Rd (US-7).
Indeed. Naming a road after your own town, instead of a neighbor, always seemed a bit gauche.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on April 20, 2013, 11:51:25 AM
Quote from: vdeane on April 20, 2013, 11:47:36 AM
Maybe require private entities to follow the MUTCD if they want there traffic control devices to be binding (eg, if they don't comply, drivers can ignore them at will).
Drivers already can and do ignore them at will. Mall security don't have the power to write tickets, they can just tell you to leave. And in most states, as I understand it, police are not responsible for traffic enforcement on private property (which is why you sometimes end up with a separate police department for a private road(s), or a special state police unit paid for by the owner of the road(s)).
Yup. At the shopping center located about a quarter-mile walk from my house (but three-quarters of a mile driving), the exit closest to the back of a Papa John's is one-way as an exit, marked with MUTCD-compliant "Do Not Enter" signs. The pizza delivery men invariably and constantly ignore those signs at relatively high speeds. I've often wondered if one could recover punitive damages from the local franchise operator in the event of a head-on crash. Someone asked the police about enforcement at a community meeting and the reply was just what you say–"We have no authority to enforce that."
(That implies that you could ignore the fire lanes at the grocery store with impunity too, doesn't it?)
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 21, 2013, 09:35:48 PM
(That implies that you could ignore the fire lanes at the grocery store with impunity too, doesn't it?)
The fire marshal has more authority over private property than the police do.
I used to like the NYC area traffic reports when the former Elmhurst Gas Tanks on the infamous L.I.E were simply called "The Tanks" as a reference. Most of the time every morning you would hear the reporters say "The L.I.E looks great except from The Fairgrounds to the Tanks where you have delays."
I have not lived in NYC area in decades, so I wonder if "The Tanks" or Elmhurst Gas Tanks are still used as a reference point. I would imagine so, as still people are referring to NJ 495 as "Route 3" after 50 years of truncation. People are funny and do not like to revert to new names, especially in the NYC area. Alpsroads reports the Jackie Robinson Parkway is still called the Innerborough Parkway by locals after many years of change.
FYI, those who do not know NYC jargon, "The Fairgrounds" refer to the 64 World's Fairgrounds near Citi Field and of course, as stated other places on this forum, the L.I.E is New York's way of saying "Long Island Expressway" or I-495. The latter I bet many New Yorkers do not even know exists as well as other NY interstates within the 5 boroughs of NYC.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on April 18, 2013, 08:49:15 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on April 17, 2013, 11:20:38 AM
Quote from: vdeane on April 17, 2013, 11:16:35 AM
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And then there are those places that make it really easy to get in but hard to get out, or place stop signs at every single place a pedestrian might cross when a yield sign would be more appropriate.
Then you have shopping centers that paint "STOP" on the pavement as you approach crosswalks or intersections but also post a sign saying "Stop for Pedestrians in Crosswalk."
Simply painting STOP on the pavement should be expressly forbidden by the MUTCD (and it may be now - I am not sure).
It is in most cases. From MUTCD Section 3B.20:
Standard:
14 Except at the ends of aisles in parking lots, the word STOP shall not be used on the pavement unless
accompanied by a stop line (see Section 3B.16) and STOP sign (see Section 2B.05). At the ends of aisles in
parking lots, the word STOP shall not be used on the pavement unless accompanied by a stop line.
15 The word STOP shall not be placed on the pavement in advance of a stop line, unless every vehicle is
required to stop at all times.
Note that the typical mall parking lot application appears to be the sole exception to this standard.
Quote from: vdeane on April 20, 2013, 12:29:36 PM
I've seen TONS of state police doing enforcement in the local WalMart parking lot before. Good thing too, because it's frequent for drivers to go the wrong way down the one-way parking rows.
I believe property owners can enter into a contract with the police department. The trick is to know what businesses have done so.
Quote from: kphoger on April 23, 2013, 05:12:17 PM
Quote from: vdeane on April 20, 2013, 12:29:36 PM
I've seen TONS of state police doing enforcement in the local WalMart parking lot before. Good thing too, because it's frequent for drivers to go the wrong way down the one-way parking rows.
I believe property owners can enter into a contract with the police department. The trick is to know what businesses have done so.
Sometimes they just patrol anyway as it is in the municipality. Our local cops (Joliet and Crest Hill) tend to patrol the shopping centers, going so far as to patrol within the mall on foot (and have since it opened in 1978).
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 23, 2013, 08:14:39 PM
Quote from: Steve on April 23, 2013, 07:41:47 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on April 23, 2013, 01:52:00 PM
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Quote from: roadman65 on April 22, 2013, 09:49:59 AM
Citi Field
:banghead:
Obviously you are not a Met fan.
No, it's more obvious that you're not from the NYC area.
what do people call the new stadium? Shea?
Yeah, pretty much. It's like referring to the RFK Bridge or the Korean War Whatever Something Parkway.
Interesting, people in NYC do not actually want to get rid of the name Shea? That is odd.
Do people from New Jersey call the Met Life Stadium by its proper name or is it still known as Giants Stadium? If many still call the Route 495 as Route 3, or some old timers who remember Route S3 still call Route 3 as Route S3 like my dad used to.
Quote from: Steve on April 24, 2013, 07:05:10 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 23, 2013, 08:14:39 PM
Quote from: Steve on April 23, 2013, 07:41:47 PM
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Quote from: roadman65 on April 22, 2013, 09:49:59 AM
Citi Field
:banghead:
Obviously you are not a Met fan.
No, it's more obvious that you're not from the NYC area.
what do people call the new stadium? Shea?
Yeah, pretty much. It's like referring to the RFK Bridge or the Korean War Whatever Something Parkway.
My issue is when a new stadium is built in the same place (or across the lot or street) as the old one and gets a corporate name later when that company did not pay for any of the building of the ballpark except in the name. For instance, I still refuse to refer to New Comiskey Park under it's new name (or nickname) which I will still refuse to use in this post. I don't have any issue if the company owns the team or the ballpark itself and certainly if the company name is a person's last name like with Miller Park and New Busch Stadium.
I kind of feel the same way with highways that change their names to honor people. I still call I-88 as the East-West Tollway, not the Reagan Tollway.
New Yorkers I know often pronounce "Citi Field" the same way City Wok Guy on South Park pronounces "City."
Quote from: hobsini2 on April 24, 2013, 08:04:54 PM
I kind of feel the same way with highways that change their names to honor people. I still call I-88 as the East-West Tollway, not the Reagan Tollway.
You have to wonder how many people do likewise. I do the same for the East-West, North-South, and Northwest Tollways instead of using their other names (Reagan, Addams, and Veterans Memorial), and for the Calumet Expressway. I just can't really bring myself to use the Bishop Ford name, it conflicts with two other Ford Freeways I know: Detroit and Grand Rapids - named for entirely different people (Edsel Ford and Gerald Ford).
When I lived in the West Suburbs (1999—2006), I never once heard 88 called anything but the East-West Tollway or 355 called anything but the North-South Tollway.
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The name changes to 88, 90 and 355 didn't take place until about 3 or 4 years ago. BTW, I would buy that hoodie even though I am not a Sox fan.
Quote from: hobsini2 on April 25, 2013, 12:25:08 PM
The name changes to 88, 90 and 355 didn't take place until about 3 or 4 years ago. BTW, I would buy that hoodie even though I am not a Sox fan.
Good to know, although 88 gained its new name in 2004. All the same, considering I was living in DuPage County at that time and didn't hear a single word about it, I'd say the new name didn't really catch on. :)
If you listen to the traffic reports on WBBM, the will use the new names consistantly or refer to them by number now.
Sorry to reply to an old thread, but in the LA area there are a lot of freeway features that are nicknamed:
Four Level Interchange, East LA Interchange, Malfunction Jucntion, Conejo Grade, etc.
What is noteworthy is that the Auto Club of So. California (ACSC) has made a map of all of these features. I believe that it's called "Guide to the Los Angeles Area Freeway system" (or something similar) and in red italics any popular nickname for a stretch of road is indicated. On the back of the map, they had a big listing of exit lists of all the major freeways.
ACSC had also made a card version of the map that was very handy to have around in the car. My wife wishes that the local AAA made similar maps in this area (Greater Washington). Alas, can't get maps as good as ACSC out here.
In Bellevue, OH everyone calls the US 20 railroad underpass is the "subway." I now see that's an actual term for it in some places, but I'm not sure how it came to be used in this northern Ohio town. Typically people from this general area think it's a weird term when they find out that's what we call it.
In and around downtown Cleveland I-90 and OH 2 have names that the traffic reports use instead of the route numbers. I-90 from I-71 to OH 2 is known as the "innerbelt" even though the freeway that would have made it part of a true innerbelt was never built. OH 2 west of I-90 is know as the "west shoreway" and the I-90/OH 2 multiplex east of there is known as the "east shoreway." This in mainly because the Cleveland Memorial Shoreway was built prior to the interstate system. The sharp curve that transfers I-90 from the innerbelt to the east shoreway is known as "dead man's curve" and has a suggested speed of 35.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on April 13, 2013, 04:03:54 AM
Quote from: Steve on April 09, 2013, 10:22:55 PM
Now, here's a way to get this back on topic without duplicating other threads:
NYC: The entirety of the Queens-Midtown Expressway is referred to as the "L.I.E."
The "West Side Highway" goes all the way down to the (Brooklyn) "Battery Tunnel", or maybe people will call the surface part "West St.," ignoring the other names it carries.
The Harlem River Driveway (north of the I-95 connection) is lumped in with Harlem River Drive.
The I-95 Trans Manhattan Expressway is referred to as "under the apartments."
The NJ approach to the Lincoln Tunnel is called "the helix."
NJ Route 139 is the "1 and 9 approach" to the Holland Tunnel.
Not sure how prevalent it is elsewhere, but traffic reports here use "loaded up" to refer to stop and go traffic.
And of course, I-95 from Teaneck to Fort Lee gets periodically called "80-95," even though 80 never coexists with 95 (though I have seen this section labeled "Bergen-Passaic Expressway" like 80 west of here, a name no one uses anyway).
The two halves of the NJ Turnpike in the Meadowlands are called the "eastern and western spurs," even though I wouldn't say either is a spur per se.
The entire complex in the Bronx where the Cross Bronx Expressway meets the Whitestone Expressway, Hutchinson River Parkway, and Bruckner Expressway (I'm sure I'm forgetting one) is called "the Bruckner Interchange." Going north, the names New England Thruway and Connecticut Turnpike (both I-95) are still far more common in traffic reports than in common parlance (I sense a thread of names few people use anymore...).
Buckner Interchange
Cross Bronx Expressway I-95 SB (WB) < > I-295 SB (SE)
Bruckner Expressway/Blvd I-278 WB (SW) < > I-95 NB (NE)
I-678 SB Hutchinson River Expressway < > Hutchinson River Parkway NB
DFW-area traffic terms:
Ferguson curve = long S-curve on I-30 east of downtown Dallas at and near the Ferguson Road exit
Fair Park curve = long S-curve on I-30 east of downtown Dallas near the Fair Park area
Dead-man's curve = The (hopefully not much longer) transition on US 175 south of downtown Dallas between C.F. Hawn Freeway and S.M. Wright Freeway
DFW-area construction project terms (that hopefully won't be etched in stone after the projects are done):
LBJ Express = the redo of I-635 between US 75 and I-35E
North Tarrant Express = the redo of I-820 on the north side of Fort Worth and TX 121-TX 183 between NE Fort Worth and Euless
DFW Connector = the redo of TX 121, TX 114, TX 26, and their connections to TX 360, I-635, and FM 2499
I-35E Express = the upcoming redo of I-35E between I-635 and Denton
One other:
The E-way = locals in Amarillo use this term for the freeway carrying I-27/US 60/US 87 south of downtown and I-40, even though officially it carries the wonderful misnomer of 'Canyon Drive' (why the city hasn't updated it, I don't really understand), which pre-dates the interstate part of the corridor's existence
Quote from: M3019C LPS20 on April 10, 2013, 11:03:31 PM
Here's a good one from Queens, New York:
"The boulevard of death." Also known as Queens Blvd.
CA route 86 (Harrison Street) was dubbed the "Killer Highway" from a history of car crashes and a 100-some fatalities from the late 1970s to the early 2000s when it was fully replaced by a new 4-lane highway.
CA route 111 is known as the "Desert Cities Highway" connecting all the 9 cities in the Palm Springs area.
And I-10 is simply known as "the 10" a common dialectial term for southern Californians to refer to freeways with "the" followed by the number.