Here in the NYC area there are a wealth of highways that are signed only by their route name and not any signed number, most notably the NYC/Long Island/Hudson Valley system of parkways, as well as the Garden State Parkway, Atlantic City Expressway, and the NJ Turnpike south of Exit 6. What other examples are there of major highways known only by name with no [posted] number? (Off the top of my head, I can think of the non-interstate portion of the Inner Loop in Rochester and the Lowell Connector in MA.)
Florida's Turnpike
Kentucky Parkways are mostly name signed except for where the I-69 is now designated.
Most of those have special shields that act as numbers. The Lowell Connector doesn't.
George Washington Memorial Parkway
Dulles Airport Access Highway
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 27, 2013, 10:24:40 AM
Dulles Airport Access Highway
Is this one even signed by name, or simply with control cities (Dulles Airport/Washington)?
Elgin-O'Hare Expressway, Illinois. No number, no special shield.
Is the All American Freeway in Fayetteville, NC still unnumbered?
Miller Park Way in Milwaukee is unsigned Wis 341. Up until about 3 years ago, the Mitchell Airport Spur was unsigned Wis 119. They finally did sign it as such.
With only a dozen signed route numbers in Alaska, that leaves a lot of significant roads with no signed numbers. Those include, for example, a freeway in Anchorage (Minnesota Dr./O'Malley Rd.), an expressway with several numbered exits in Fairbanks (Johansen Expy.), 56-mile-long paved Chena Hot Springs Rd. east of Fairbanks, and the extensive unpaved highway networks around Nome and on Kodiak Island.
Alaskans almost always refer to their numbered highways only by name, anyway. They seem to consider route numbers a lower-48 kind of thing.
Quote from: motorway on May 27, 2013, 08:53:40 AM
Here in the NYC area there are a wealth of highways that are signed only by their route name and not any signed number, most notably the NYC/Long Island/Hudson Valley system of parkways, as well as the Garden State Parkway, Atlantic City Expressway, and the NJ Turnpike south of Exit 6. What other examples are there of major highways known only by name with no [posted] number? (Off the top of my head, I can think of the non-interstate portion of the Inner Loop in Rochester and the Lowell Connector in MA.)
A LOT of cities upstate barely sign or don't bother signing the state routes in their area. It's gotten better, but if you're gonna follow a number, it's a good idea to scout the route on Google first.
Many tollways in Houston, such as Westpark Tollway, Fort Bend Parkway, Hardy Tollroad, the future Grand Parkway. Also, in Dallas, there's the President George Bush Turnpike. Nashville has the Briley Parkway, and of course Bakersfield has the future Westside Parkway. Of course, that one may become CA 58 or even I-40.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 27, 2013, 09:11:30 AM
Kentucky Parkways are mostly name signed except for where the I-69 is now designated.
And they all have unposted numbers in the 9000-series.
Also, Oklahoma's turnpikes.
Quote from: Speedway99 on May 27, 2013, 01:00:08 PMNashville has the Briley Parkway
It's signed as TN 155.
Everett Turnpike in NH from Exit 7 up to I-293.
Quote from: Brandon on May 27, 2013, 11:14:30 AM
Elgin-O'Hare Expressway, Illinois ... no special shield.
Well, sort of.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1092.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi410%2Fkphoger%2Feoe_zps5a8e3ac7.png&hash=6232758f21e167cc8c264862af6a6db88997dba5)
Google street view example here (http://goo.gl/maps/j6cYv).
The George Bush Turnpike in the DFW metro doesn't have a number, does it?
Quote from: kphoger on May 27, 2013, 03:35:11 PM
Quote from: Brandon on May 27, 2013, 11:14:30 AM
Elgin-O'Hare Expressway, Illinois ... no special shield.
Well, sort of.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1092.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi410%2Fkphoger%2Feoe_zps5a8e3ac7.png&hash=6232758f21e167cc8c264862af6a6db88997dba5)
Google street view example here (http://goo.gl/maps/j6cYv).
There's only a few of these, but it's never really treated as a special shield, and is never seen on the expressway itself. We'll see what happens after ISTHA takes over and widens the EOE.
Quote from: apeman33 on May 27, 2013, 03:56:30 PM
The George Bush Turnpike in the DFW metro doesn't have a number, does it?
The part of TX 161 Toll it absorbed is still signed as such, at least northbound. The rest of the PGBT is unnumbered.
Quote from: Brandon on May 27, 2013, 04:01:55 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 27, 2013, 03:35:11 PM
Quote from: Brandon on May 27, 2013, 11:14:30 AM
Elgin-O'Hare Expressway, Illinois ... no special shield.
Well, sort of.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1092.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi410%2Fkphoger%2Feoe_zps5a8e3ac7.png&hash=6232758f21e167cc8c264862af6a6db88997dba5)
Google street view example here (http://goo.gl/maps/j6cYv).
There's only a few of these, but it's never really treated as a special shield, and is never seen on the expressway itself. We'll see what happens after ISTHA takes over and widens the EOE.
Who doesn't treat them as a special shield? Looks like a shield to me.
There are even advance JCT signs featuring the white square.
And they're found in at least the following locations:
Wright Blvd, both northbound and southbound approaches
Rodenburg Rd, both northbound and southbound approaches
Irving Park Rd (IL-19), both westbound and eastbound approaches
Springsguth Rd, both northbound and southbound approaches
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a shield.
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 27, 2013, 10:24:40 AM
George Washington Memorial Parkway
Dulles Airport Access Highway
Isn't the latter VA 267?
Quote from: OracleUsr on May 27, 2013, 04:48:27 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 27, 2013, 10:24:40 AM
George Washington Memorial Parkway
Dulles Airport Access Highway
Isn't the latter VA 267?
West of I-495, VA 267 is the Dulles Toll Road (and the Dulles Greenway between Dulles Airport and Leesburg). The free airport-traffic-only Access Road is in the Toll Road's median.
East of I-495, the Toll Road and the Access Road combine to form what is sometimes called the Dulles Connector Road. Signage is conflicting on whether that is part of VA 267.
If she weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood. And therefore....a witch!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g
Quote from: NE2 on May 27, 2013, 10:28:54 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 27, 2013, 10:24:40 AM
Dulles Airport Access Highway
Is this one even signed by name, or simply with control cities (Dulles Airport/Washington)?
Fair point. I don't believe any current sign does use the full name. So maybe that one gets a special category of "road signed with neither name nor number."
Regarding the query from "OracleUsr," I saw somewhere that the Access Road has a secret route number of 90004 (looks more like a ZIP Code).
Northwest Parkway around Denver.
I have not seen an F.D.R Drive shield in NYC come to think of it. Even the Harlem River Drive, I believe to be shield-less as well.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 27, 2013, 08:53:48 PM
I have not seen an F.D.R Drive shield in NYC come to think of it. Even the Harlem River Drive, I believe to be shield-less as well.
They exist, but I can't remember where.
Another subset would be roads with no signed name or number. The Harrisburg Airport Connector would be one of these–just signed "Airport" in one direction and "Harrisburg/Lancaster" in the other.
Quote
Regarding the query from "OracleUsr," I saw somewhere that the Access Road has a secret route number of 90004 (looks more like a ZIP Code).
It is. The Colonial Parkway is 90003, and the George Washington Parkway is 90005.
Any road or street in the District of Columbia, except (sometimes) I-295, I-395, I-695, I-66, U.S. 1, U.S. 29, U.S. 50 and D.C. 295.
U.S. 1 Alternate is not signed at all in D.C. any longer.
Lake Ponchatrain Causeway - tolls and 20+ miles without an exit. No shields nor special signage that I was aware of.
The federally-maintained parkways in Maryland, D.C. and Virginia never have route numbers, though the Maryland and Virginia DOT's have assigned them "secret" numbers.
George Washington Memorial Parkway (Va. and D.C.)
Spout Run Parkway (Va.)
Rock Creek Parkway (D.C.)
Beach Drive (D.C. - continues into Maryland)
Clara Barton Parkway (Md. and D.C.)
Baltimore-Washington Parkway (Md. - the state-maintained part is signed as Md. 295).
Suitland Parkway (Md.).
LaSalle Expresway near Niagara Falls.
Quote from: kphoger on May 27, 2013, 04:23:08 PM
Quote from: Brandon on May 27, 2013, 04:01:55 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 27, 2013, 03:35:11 PM
Quote from: Brandon on May 27, 2013, 11:14:30 AM
Elgin-O'Hare Expressway, Illinois ... no special shield.
Well, sort of.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1092.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi410%2Fkphoger%2Feoe_zps5a8e3ac7.png&hash=6232758f21e167cc8c264862af6a6db88997dba5)
Google street view example here (http://goo.gl/maps/j6cYv).
There's only a few of these, but it's never really treated as a special shield, and is never seen on the expressway itself. We'll see what happens after ISTHA takes over and widens the EOE.
Who doesn't treat them as a special shield? Looks like a shield to me.
There are even advance JCT signs featuring the white square.
And they're found in at least the following locations:
Wright Blvd, both northbound and southbound approaches
Rodenburg Rd, both northbound and southbound approaches
Irving Park Rd (IL-19), both westbound and eastbound approaches
Springsguth Rd, both northbound and southbound approaches
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a shield.
I've always treated it as a shield as well, even if it is unofficial in some cases. Once the expansions done, that'll probably become more prominent across the board. Even the wiki for it has this sign as the shield.
Summerlin Parkway in Las Vegas, NV - it's a city-maintained freeway and has no route number.
The Capitol Loop in downtown Lansing, Michigan, is only signed by name with its distinctive marker. It does hav an internal MDOT designation of Connector 496, and it has appeared on some maps as "Capitol Loop I-496".
Many Oregon state highways, although as of 2002 all highways are supposed to officially have a route number, but few of them are actually signed.
Examples would be the Lafayette Highway (a.k.a. Lafayette-Hopewell Highway), Bellevue-Hopewell Highway, Hall Boulevard (a.k.a. Beaverton-Tualatin Highway), Jefferson Highway, Monmouth Highway.
If you're looking for a freeway example, look to Eugene - the Delta Highway, and until recently Belt Line Road had no number (it's now Oregon 569 and renamed the Randy Pape Beltline Highway).
The Connecticut Turnpike east of 395? I don't think it has a public number.
You can see the 59 such examples across the US that are part of the CHM project:
http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/newselecthwys.php?sys=usasf&rg=usa.all&gr=p&showint=60#r (http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/newselecthwys.php?sys=usasf&rg=usa.all&gr=p&showint=60#r)
This list is restricted to the freeway portions of routes without numbers that are over a certain length (which I don't recall).
LL Tisdale Parkway
Gilcrease Expressway
Quote from: Jim on June 08, 2013, 10:54:18 AMThis list is restricted to the freeway portions of routes without numbers that are over a certain length (which I don't recall).
Not quite.
Clark County 215 in Nevada is there, and the Garden State Parkway is there twice, as it leaves the Garden State...
The federal parkways: Blue Ridge Parkway, Skyline Drive, Natchez Trace Parkway, Colonial Parkway.
In Canada, the QEW, which also has the rare distinction of not being signed directionally either.
The Ronald Reagan and Sugarloaf Parkways in Gwinnett County, GA.
The Puncheon Run Connector between US-13 and DE-1 in Dover has no signed name or number. It's just To US 13 or To DE 1.
Quote from: Brandon on May 27, 2013, 04:01:55 PM
There's only a few of these, but it's never really treated as a special shield, and is never seen on the expressway itself. We'll see what happens after ISTHA takes over and widens the EOE.
given the lack of complexity of Illinois state route markers... that Elgin definitely counts as a shield to me.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 27, 2013, 08:53:48 PM
I have not seen an F.D.R Drive shield in NYC come to think of it. Even the Harlem River Drive, I believe to be shield-less as well.
from NYCRoads:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nycroads.com%2Froads%2Ffdr%2Fimg20.gif&hash=1877545425666a9a1105fc6cae1a2cb2d65b2208)
I believe somewhere I've seen a 1930s sign referencing "East River Drive" which was similar to some other shields NYC used at the time.
Thanks to all who answered my GIS project question.
As promised, I've got an answer to this...for the Southern USA anyway.
Let's see....there are quite a few mistakes in TIGER (Capital Beltway, for instance. In fact, I believe all the S1100 roads by name only are mistakes.)
Your Dulles Access Road though is a S1200 - this classification carries a wide range of road quality. Blue Ridge Parkway, Natchez Trace Parkway, and George Washington Memorial Parkway (although someone pointed out that GWMP has a secret number.) For some reason, only a small section of Skyline Drive is S1200 - the rest is S1400 or worse.
Kentucky's Parkways were up there, and Oklahoma's turnpikes were high on the list too.
Similar to O'Hare, SeaTac has a mini-expressway that connects to SR-518 and SR-99, that has no name or number other than "Sea-Tac Access Road".
There used to be tons of unsigned highways in Oregon, which were in the State Highway System, but not in the Oregon Route System. They had names and numbers, but were usually only known by name. Most of those have now been absorbed into the Oregon Route System, using the same numbers as the State Highways designations (when they can). They are signing them now, but it has been a long process for the last 10+ years.
Quote from: hbelkins on May 27, 2013, 02:15:08 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 27, 2013, 09:11:30 AM
Kentucky Parkways are mostly name signed except for where the I-69 is now designated.
And they all have unposted numbers in the 9000-series.
Also, Oklahoma's turnpikes.
I believe at least some of Oklahoma's Turnpikes are co-signed. I'm reasonably sure that the Cherokee and Cimarron Turnpikes are co-signed as US-412. Turner Turnpike is I-44, and the Muskogee Turnpike is US-69. That's all I can remember off the top of my head.
Quote from: Thing 342 on June 12, 2013, 03:46:34 PM
The Ronald Reagan and Sugarloaf Parkways in Gwinnett County, GA.
As far as freeways go, Chatham County has both Truman Parkway and Veterans Parkway.
In Houston and Peach counties, the mostly-expressway grade Richard B. Russell Parkway doesn't have a current state number designation even though it (like the four examples above) was mostly built by GDOT to state highway standards.
(GDOT does internally designate these routes with high route numbers, usually in the 900+ range, while they're under construction but they don't get signed, although they sometimes appear on county maps. Occasionally they leak into TIGER and thus eventually into OSM and Google Maps too.)
Quote from: ChoralScholar on July 17, 2013, 11:55:23 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 27, 2013, 02:15:08 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 27, 2013, 09:11:30 AM
Kentucky Parkways are mostly name signed except for where the I-69 is now designated.
And they all have unposted numbers in the 9000-series.
Also, Oklahoma's turnpikes.
I believe at least some of Oklahoma's Turnpikes are co-signed. I'm reasonably sure that the Cherokee and Cimarron Turnpikes are co-signed as US-412. Turner Turnpike is I-44, and the Muskogee Turnpike is US-69. That's all I can remember off the top of my head.
You're right on US-412. US-69 is west of the Muskogee. It has a brief free section signed as OK-165 though.
I-44 also follows the Will Rogers and HE Bailey turnpikes.
Everything else is signed with a shield like this one:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Creek_Turnpike.svg/200px-Creek_Turnpike.svg.png)
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 18, 2013, 12:58:52 AM
You're right on US-412. US-69 is west of the Muskogee. It has a brief free section signed as OK-165 though.
Actually, 69 crosses the Muskogee Turnpike.
Sam Cooper Blvd in Memphis has no route number and no shield that I've ever seen. It was built as a segment of I-40, but the segment through downtown Memphis was never built and I-40 was eventually rerouted, leaving Sam Cooper Blvd orphaned. The road is currently owned by the city of Memphis, and as far as I know it's the only city or county freeway in the state of Tennessee.
Quote from: formulanone on May 29, 2013, 09:18:59 AM
Lake Ponchatrain Causeway - tolls and 20+ miles without an exit. No shields nor special signage that I was aware of.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/LA/LA19635000i1.jpg)
no idea how old.
Storrow Drive (in Boston)
Maine Turnpike Falmouth Spur
Everett Turnpike (the part that's not US 3, although it's still incorrectly called that sometimes, and already mentioned)
Lots of connectors:
Berkshire Connector
Lowell Connector (already mentioned)
Scarborough Connector (Maine)
"Ronald Reagan Parkway" In central indiana
Alfred Harrell Highway in Bakersfield is limited access.
Quote from: 1 on September 25, 2013, 03:59:24 PM
Storrow Drive (in Boston)
I'm surprised it took so long for someone to mention this one. It was the first one outside of New York that came to mind for me. Also, Soldiers Field Road, which is an extension of it.
Back in New York, there's the JFK Expressway, which doesn't even get a reference route.
Quote from: dgolub on September 27, 2013, 08:38:46 AM
Quote from: 1 on September 25, 2013, 03:59:24 PM
Storrow Drive (in Boston)
I'm surprised it took so long for someone to mention this one. It was the first one outside of New York that came to mind for me. Also, Soldiers Field Road, which is an extension of it.
It's worth noting that Storrow Drive wasn't always route numberless. East of Kenmore Square, it was originally designated as MA C1. In 1971, when the C-X route system was abolished; it became US 1 and remained as such until 1989-1990 when US 1 south of Storrow Drive was rerouted to
piggy-back along I-93 and I-95(MA 128) to Dedham.
One reason for the rerouting (according to roadman) was due to trucks following US 1 and hitting or getting stuck on Storrow Drive's low clearance overpasses.
One of the MDC-spec'd. BGS listing eastbound Storrow Drive as US 1 North that still exists today.
http://goo.gl/maps/cRplI (http://goo.gl/maps/cRplI)
Additionally, both MA 3 & 28 are routed on small segments of Storrow Drive (east of the Longfellow Bridge) to this day.
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 27, 2013, 11:55:43 AM
Quote from: dgolub on September 27, 2013, 08:38:46 AM
Quote from: 1 on September 25, 2013, 03:59:24 PM
Storrow Drive (in Boston)
I'm surprised it took so long for someone to mention this one. It was the first one outside of New York that came to mind for me. Also, Soldiers Field Road, which is an extension of it.
It's worth noting that Storrow Drive wasn't always route numberless. East of Kenmore Square, it was originally designated as MA C1. In 1971, when the C-X route system was abolished; it became US 1 and remained as such until 1989-1990 when US 1 south of Storrow Drive was rerouted to piggy-back along I-93 and I-95(MA 128) to Dedham.
One reason for the rerouting (according to roadman) was due to trucks following US 1 and hitting or getting stuck on Storrow Drive's low clearance overpasses.
One of the MDC-spec'd. BGS listing eastbound Storrow Drive as US 1 North that still exists today.
http://goo.gl/maps/cRplI (http://goo.gl/maps/cRplI)
Actually, there's more than one MDC-spec BGS that includes US 1 still in place. Not only that, but the current MDC-spec overhead signs on Storrow Drive (with US 1 shields) were installed in the early 1990s, after US 1 had been re-routed (at the MDC's request) off of Storrow Drive and the other parkways.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2013, 12:49:10 PM
Quote from: formulanone on May 29, 2013, 09:18:59 AM
Lake Ponchatrain Causeway - tolls and 20+ miles without an exit. No shields nor special signage that I was aware of.
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/LA/LA19635000i1.jpg)
no idea how old.
Hmmm, saw that; the typeface on the first line almost looks like Transport.
Anything still extant?
Quote from: roadman on September 27, 2013, 12:15:02 PM
Actually, there's more than one MDC-spec BGS that includes US 1 still in place. Not only that, but the current MDC-spec overhead signs on Storrow Drive (with US 1 shields) were installed in the early 1990s, after US 1 had been re-routed (at the MDC's request) off of Storrow Drive and the other parkways.
I also recall several that have had the "1" eliminated by an exceedingly minimalist greenout: a tall and narrow green square.
Quote from: roadman on September 27, 2013, 12:15:02 PMActually, there's more than one MDC-spec BGS that includes US 1 still in place.
My reason for opening my previous post with
"One of..." which you quoted.
Quote from: roadman on September 27, 2013, 12:15:02 PMNot only that, but the current MDC-spec overhead signs on Storrow Drive (with US 1 shields) were installed in the early 1990s, after US 1 had been re-routed (at the MDC's request) off of Storrow Drive and the other parkways.
Actually, those signs (along with the others along Storrow Drive) were installed in the late 80s. I remember first seeing them when driving along Storrow Drive during the latter part of my senior year in college (1988) while on spring break. I also remember many of the BGS', except for the ones near Kenmore Square and the Fens, were altered (US 1 shields stripped off) shortly thereafter when the US 1 reroute occurred.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 27, 2013, 12:17:41 PMI also recall several that have had the "1" eliminated by an exceedingly minimalist greenout: a tall and narrow green square.
Those BGS' & LGS' were located further south along the Fens and the Jamaicaway.
Quote from: 1 on September 25, 2013, 03:59:24 PM
Berkshire Connector
Most of it is signed as I-90.
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 27, 2013, 12:24:06 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 27, 2013, 12:17:41 PMI also recall several that have had the "1" eliminated by an exceedingly minimalist greenout: a tall and narrow green square.
Those BGS' & LGS' were located further south along the Fens and the Jamaicaway.
you are right on there being some in those areas... but there aren't any somewhere around Storrow as well? was I mismemembering?
also: s/square/rectangle/
squares aren't tall and narrow. :ded:
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 27, 2013, 12:29:58 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 27, 2013, 12:24:06 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 27, 2013, 12:17:41 PMI also recall several that have had the "1" eliminated by an exceedingly minimalist greenout: a tall and narrow green square.
Those BGS' & LGS' were located further south along the Fens and the Jamaicaway.
you are right on there being some in those areas... but there aren't any somewhere around Storrow as well? was I mismemembering?
The LGS panels on the MDC parkways between the Fenway and the Boston/Dedham line didn't have the US 1 information (no shield, just the numeral '1') greened over until 1995 or 1996 - this was done in a rush after a Globe "Starts and Stops" expose that got the attention of the higher-ups in the MDC and MassHighway.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 27, 2013, 12:29:58 PMyou are right on there being some in those areas... but there aren't any somewhere around Storrow as well? was I mismemembering?
The closest ones to Storrow Drive are at the intersection of Park Drive and Fenway (the road not the baseball park).
Scroll down link to see photo:
http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ma/us_1/2.html (http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ma/us_1/2.html)
It's worth noting some pics. on Steve's page of the greenouts on those older MDC BGS' were actually covering
C1 or
C-1 (need to send him a comment stating the error). Those were never changed to just
1 or
US 1 at all. I remember seeing those MDC BGS' reading C1 circa 1990.
I think this is the one I was remembering, except for some reason I conflated the memory with it being greened out.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fma%2Fus_1%2Fboyl.jpg&hash=c041587162cfd7e17758fa465b715fad60c07573)
as for the C-routes, are there any surviving uncovered examples? there is the C1/C9 on Beacon Street:
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/MA/MA19560011i1.jpg)
and then there was once a blue (!) LGS in Cambridge with C-28 et al.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 27, 2013, 01:38:17 PM
I think this is the one I was remembering, except for some reason I conflated the memory with it being greened out.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fma%2Fus_1%2Fboyl.jpg&hash=c041587162cfd7e17758fa465b715fad60c07573)
That LGS (DPW-style & size but MDC colors and font) was erected in the 1980s was was not erected along the former US 1 (hence the
To prefixes).
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 27, 2013, 01:38:17 PMas for the C-routes, are there any surviving uncovered examples? there is the C1/C9 on Beacon Street:
(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/MA/MA19560011i1.jpg)
I'm not sure if that one is still there. And that sign is small enough that it simply would've been taken down and replaced as opposed to being covered with the updated number. In the mid-70s, I remember seeing a small old DPW-spec'd
9A shield along Beacon Street near the Boston/Brookline border.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 27, 2013, 01:38:17 PM
and then there was once a blue (!) LGS in Cambridge with C-28 et al.
That Euro-style blue (LBS), and others like it,
was located in the Back Bay section of Boston. I'm not sure if any are still around. I did see one or two survivors circa 1990.
Thought of it yesterday because I was driving on it....Seminary Road and Janney's Lane in Alexandria, Virginia, constitute State Route 420, but the number is not posted anywhere (oddly for Virginia, the LGS on I-395 has just the name, and none of the intersections along the route have the little white route number signs ubiquitous in most of Virginia). I suspect the number isn't posted because it was added to the route in the 1980s and the LGSs on I-395 have just been copies of the previous versions each time (lone change in recent memory being the switch to Clearview).
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 27, 2013, 02:51:23 PM
Thought of it yesterday because I was driving on it....Seminary Road and Janney's Lane in Alexandria, Virginia, constitute State Route 420, but the number is not posted anywhere (oddly for Virginia, the LGS on I-395 has just the name, and none of the intersections along the route have the little white route number signs ubiquitous in most of Virginia). I suspect the number isn't posted because it was added to the route in the 1980s and the LGSs on I-395 have just been copies of the previous versions each time (lone change in recent memory being the switch to Clearview).
or it would be a Frequently Stolen Sign?
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 27, 2013, 01:46:58 PMThat Euro-style blue (LBS), and others like it,
was located in the Back Bay section of Boston. I'm not sure if any are still around. I did see one or two survivors circa 1990.
I tried finding the photo of the one I thought was on Steve's site... and I remember it being either at Alewife or Davis. it definitely had a C-28.
Steve, any help here?
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 27, 2013, 03:12:23 PM
I tried finding the photo of the one I thought was on Steve's site... and I remember it being either at Alewife or Davis. it definitely had a C-28.
Steve, any help here?
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Quote from: NE2 on September 27, 2013, 03:20:53 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 27, 2013, 03:12:23 PM
I tried finding the photo of the one I thought was on Steve's site... and I remember it being either at Alewife or Davis. it definitely had a C-28.
Steve, any help here?
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Which confirms the location of that LBS is indeed Boston (Arlington St.); note the
Cambridge listing towards the bottom of the panel.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on September 27, 2013, 03:09:28 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 27, 2013, 02:51:23 PM
Thought of it yesterday because I was driving on it....Seminary Road and Janney's Lane in Alexandria, Virginia, constitute State Route 420, but the number is not posted anywhere (oddly for Virginia, the LGS on I-395 has just the name, and none of the intersections along the route have the little white route number signs ubiquitous in most of Virginia). I suspect the number isn't posted because it was added to the route in the 1980s and the LGSs on I-395 have just been copies of the previous versions each time (lone change in recent memory being the switch to Clearview).
or it would be a Frequently Stolen Sign?
Maybe. I do remember when the signs for Electric Avenue over near Tysons Corner disappeared every few days back in the early 1980s.
Although....
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It's a number that has received an arbitrary meaning. Like every other number.
According to this: http://www.snopes.com/language/stories/420.asp it was the time some school kids met to smoke the drugs.
Has anyone mentioned Tx route "OSR" Old San Antonio Road.
Pena Blvd to DIA, and, as well as the E-470 Tollway (not a state highway, owned and operated by the E-470 Public Highway Authority).
Also, the Franconia Notch Pkwy in northern New Hampshire, which is technically not a part of I-93.
Quote from: Mark68 on September 27, 2013, 06:21:06 PM
Also, the Franconia Notch Pkwy in northern New Hampshire, which is technically not a part of I-93.
Nope. http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/nhs_maps/new_hampshire/nh_newhampshire.pdf
It's US 3 anyway. So double failure.
Back in the 70s, when the section of Future I-90 between Detroit Road -- SR-2/SR-254 -- and West 117th St. in Cleveland was opened, It was simply known on BGSs as "Fwy." until the missing link between W. 117th and I-71 was completed, then the I-90 Freeway was signed as such.
Quote from: NE2 on September 27, 2013, 06:35:15 PM
Quote from: Mark68 on September 27, 2013, 06:21:06 PM
Also, the Franconia Notch Pkwy in northern New Hampshire, which is technically not a part of I-93.
Nope. http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/nhs_maps/new_hampshire/nh_newhampshire.pdf
It's US 3 anyway. So double failure.
When I went thru there a few years ago, most of the signage I saw stressed the Parkway and either didn't mention I-93 and US 3, or said "To" I-93/US 3. Of course, there is only one exit within the park that is not actually between I-93 and US 3, so small sample size.
Quote from: Mark68 on September 27, 2013, 06:21:06 PM
Pena Blvd to DIA, and, as well as the E-470 Tollway (not a state highway, owned and operated by the E-470 Public Highway Authority).
Pena qualifies, but E-470 does have its own route shield.
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Quote from: Mark68 on September 27, 2013, 06:45:02 PM
When I went thru there a few years ago, most of the signage I saw stressed the Parkway and either didn't mention I-93 and US 3, or said "To" I-93/US 3. Of course, there is only one exit within the park that is not actually between I-93 and US 3, so small sample size.
Two interchanges along the overlap, both of which had clear signage for I-93/US 3 as of the Goog's 2008 photos (still there in 2011).
Quote from: thenetwork on September 27, 2013, 06:45:35 PM
Quote from: Mark68 on September 27, 2013, 06:21:06 PM
Pena Blvd to DIA, and, as well as the E-470 Tollway (not a state highway, owned and operated by the E-470 Public Highway Authority).
Pena qualifies, but E-470 does have its own route shield.
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I realize that it has its own shield, but it's not a state highway (nor is the NW Parkway, which has its own shield). So there is no "route" to call it, other than its name, which happens to be E-470 (or Extension 470).