From past experience and looking at state maps, it looks like there are a few parts of a few states that are "orphaned" from their home state.
In other words, if you wish to get to a certain part of a state by land, you can only reach it if you go through another state.
For Example:
To reach the "Lost Peninsula"/Southeastern-most corner of Michigan, you have to drive into Toledo, Ohio to reach it:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Toledo,+OH&hl=en&ll=41.732956,-83.463221&spn=0.018319,0.052314&sll=37.920368,-89.865417&sspn=0.309836,0.837021&oq=toledo,+o&hnear=Toledo,+Lucas,+Ohio&t=m&z=15
To get from downtown Chester to the west side of Chester, IL., you must cross the Mississippi River and go through Missouri to reach it.
http://maps.google.com/?ll=37.904116,-89.78714&spn=0.309904,0.837021&t=m&z=11
It also looks like a little further down the river, there is a sliver or 2 of Missouri that is East of the Mississippi, and to reach by land, you must go through Illinois.
And, of course, there is the extreme Northwest corner of Arizona along I-15, which is probably the most famous orphan of all.
I have actually driven to the Lost Peninsula, as the locals call it in Toledo as well as I-15 in Arizona numerous times. Are there any other "orphaned" parts of a state that you went to &/or know about?
Quote from: thenetwork on May 27, 2013, 06:24:28 PM
To get from downtown Chester to the west side of Chester, IL., you must cross the Mississippi River and go through Missouri to reach it.
http://maps.google.com/?ll=37.904116,-89.78714&spn=0.309904,0.837021&t=m&z=11
You mean Kaskaskia? Because the west side of Chester (the prison and the hospital) are decidedly reachable from Illinois.
Dade County Georgia, extreme NW corner of the state.
There is a little piece of Iowa across the Missouri River only accessible from Omaha, NE.
Point Roberts, WA and the Northwest Angle of MN are orphans cut off by Canada.
Theodore Roosevelt Island in the Potomac is part of DC, but to actually get there by land, you have to go through VA. The I-66 bridge passes over the island, but does not have any exit onto the island.
There is a small piece of extreme SW Kentucky cut off by a bend of the Mississippi River that is only accessible only from Tennessee.
Several ox bows (nothing interesting, just corn fields) along the Wabash River near Evansville, Indiana traps Indiana land on the Illinois side.
Not really an orphan, but Ellis Park (horse race track) is on the Indiana side of the Ohio. An interesting point to this is that Indiana pays (I think) part of the cost of the US41 bridges which do not even touch Indiana.
There are however other slivers of Kentucky along the length of the IN/KY border.
Hyder, Alaska is accessible by road only via Stewart BC. It might be possible to hike there from other places in southeast Alaska, but it'd be a long and difficult hike at best. I drove there in 1994, got "Hyderized", walked around town a few hours until my blood alcohol dropped below Canada's legal limit.
In a way, all of southeast Alaska is orphaned from the rest of Alaska, since the roads between the two are all through Canada, and there are no through roads in the skinny strip of Alaska connecting the two. But there is an auto ferry connection allowing drivers to bypass Canada, and connect to other ferries taking them to most other communities in southeast Alaska (but not Hyder).
To answer the question, though: no, I have never visited any of them. I've been to Chester, IL, plenty of times, and have crossed into Missouri there plenty of times, but never to Kaskaskia.
Never been there, but there are two pieces of Delaware on the east side of the river reachable by land only if you go through New Jersey.
The "Kentucky Bend" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_Bend) is another (access only through Tennessee). I've never been to Kentucky at all.
What about the Virgin River Gorge in AZ? I believe that I-15 is not connected at all to the rest of AZ via its own state's road network, or if it is by dirt or gravel roads.
There are some spots along WV/VA 102 west of Bluefield that can only be accessed by going through the other state.
It may be me, but it seems that there are two kinds of orphans emerging here, first, the orphan where it is a piece of land that is actually cut off from the rest of the state (such as the Kentucky Bend) and can only be accessed via roads from the surrounding states, and second, the orphan where the piece of land in question IS connected to the state proper itself (Virgin River Gorge, Dade County) but is still isolated enough where it still has to be accessed via roads from the surrounding states.
I can't think of any example comparable to the Kentucky bend where an area is not contiguous to the rest of the state. Every other one I am aware of is contiguous - even if by water only. The Kentucky bend has about 3.5 miles of Missouri between the two sections of Kentucky.
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=36.513499,-89.45446&spn=0.179909,0.390358&t=h&z=12 (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=36.513499,-89.45446&spn=0.179909,0.390358&t=h&z=12)
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Quote from: Big John on May 27, 2013, 06:38:56 PM
Dade County Georgia, extreme NW corner of the state.
With access to the rest of the state via GA 136.
Haven't been there since 1982, but Campobello Island in New Brunswick is accessible by land only via a bridge from Lubec, Maine (the easternmost town in the 50 states). It can, however, be reached from the Canadian mainland via two ferries (from Letete to Deer Island and then from Deer Island to Campobello Island).
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on May 27, 2013, 06:46:16 PM
There is a little piece of Iowa across the Missouri River only accessible from Omaha, NE.
That's the city of Carter Lake. Interestingly, the route to Omaha's Eppley Airport from downtown takes one through that little piece of Iowa. There is also a piece of Nebraska that sits on the east side of the Missouri River at the DeSoto bend National Wildlife Refuge just South of US 30. There is also another such piece of Nebraska land called McKissick's Island on the east side of the Missouri River in the NW corner of Missouri.
Drove I-15 through Arizona last summer.
I drive I-684 through Connecticut fairly often.
The Northwest Angle in MN is only accessible by land through Ontario. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Angle
Quote from: on_wisconsin on May 27, 2013, 11:46:33 PM
The Northwest Angle in MN is only accessible by land through Ontario. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Angle
Manitoba, actually.
Also true of Elm Point, Minnesota.
How about the stretch of Wisconsin that you have to drive on Minnesota 23 to get to?
I see on a map it appears there is a very small area of northeastern Mississippi accessible by road only if you drive through Tennessee. It's just west of where Tennessee, Mississippi, and Alabama meet.
https://maps.google.com/?ll=40.541461,-95.678902&spn=0.089359,0.209255&t=m&z=13 Here's part of the southwest corner of Nebraska that's west of the Missouri river, so it's only accessible from the state of Missouri. However, the Nishnabotna River makes it so the only way to get to that slice of Missouri is through Iowa. I've never been there, though.
Quote from: thenetwork on May 27, 2013, 06:24:28 PM
From past experience and looking at state maps, it looks like there are a few parts of a few states that are "orphaned" from their home state.
In other words, if you wish to get to a certain part of a state by land, you can only reach it if you go through another state.
This is called a "pene-exclave" (I find this term amusing), that is, a part of a territory physically connected to the rest of it but can only be accesed from another territory. For example, there is some village in Spain that only can be reached from Andorra. Or the Northwest Angle in MN (Unless you go by boat, you have to enter Canada to reach it)
Quote from: Duke87 on May 27, 2013, 11:20:43 PM
Drove I-15 through Arizona last summer.
However, it is possible via very rough tracks to get there from the rest of Arizona while staying in Arizona.
Trivia question: if you have a boat, can you get to the Northwest Angle from mainland Minnesota in a foreign-flagged boat without violating the Jones Act?
Quote from: Brandon on May 28, 2013, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on May 27, 2013, 11:20:43 PM
Drove I-15 through Arizona last summer.
However, it is possible via very rough tracks to get there from the rest of Arizona while staying in Arizona.
Even Navajo Trail Road requires you to dip into Utah
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on May 28, 2013, 09:16:40 AM
This is called a "pene-exclave" (I find this term amusing), that is, a part of a territory physically connected to the rest of it but can only be accesed from another territory. For example, there is some village in Spain that only can be reached from Andorra. Or the Northwest Angle in MN (Unless you go by boat, you have to enter Canada to reach it)
That's correct: we're starting to talk about two different things in this thread. I'm aware of only two states that have true
exclaves: Kentucky and New York. In other words, if you were to draw the boundaries of those states, you'd have to use two separate polygons for Kentucky (in order to include Kentucky Bend, which is surrounded by Missouri and Tennessee), and three polygons for New York (in order to include Liberty Island and Ellis Island, which are both completely surrounded by New Jersey).
All other state boundaries are described by a single polygon, so by definition they do not have any true exclaves. However, there are probably hundreds of examples of
pene-exclaves: these are places that are geographically contiguous with the rest of the state, so if you had the appropriate means of transportation (watercraft or aircraft), you could get there without going through another state. However, if you wanted to get there
by land, you'd have to pass through another state (or country).
I don't think many people are aware that the southeast corner of Colorado is a pene-exclave. In Colorado there are no bridges over the Cimarron River, so the only land access to the area south of there is via Oklahoma or Kansas.
http://usends.com/Explore/Corners/CO-KS-OK/index.html
(Although I should note that the Cimarron is often dry, so usually it would be pretty easy to ford it. But there are no public roads that cross it.)
In late January I visited Four Corners Monument...
US 160 and NM 597 cannot be accessed from any other part of NM as far as I can see.
There is a Virginia Beach neighborhood along old Princess Anne SR 664 that is only accessible from NC 615 on Knotts Island.
Virginia has two fairly large chunks of territory south of Kerr Lake that can only be accessed from NC (one is via NC 39). There is also a slice of Virginia near US 311 below the Dan River only accessible through NC.
Mapmikey
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 28, 2013, 12:04:25 PM
In late January I visited Four Corners Monument...
US 160 and NM 597 cannot be accessed from any other part of NM as far as I can see.
There is a Virginia Beach neighborhood along old Princess Anne SR 664 that is only accessible from NC 615 on Knotts Island.
Virginia has two fairly large chunks of territory south of Kerr Lake that can only be accessed from NC (one is via NC 39). There is also a slice of Virginia near US 311 below the Dan River only accessible through NC.
Mapmikey
I may be mistaken, but Knotts Island itself is accessible by road only through Virginia, correct? (There's a ferry connection as well.) I wonder if that makes the Virginia Beach neighborhood you reference even more unique–are there any other places like that where the "orphan" can be reached only via another "orphan"?
Yes, Knotts Island can only be reached from Virginia by land. For some reason I was thinking of this question as "reached by car" which would include the ferry.
Washington DC has the Woodrow Wilson Bridge. Columbia Island would also count unless by land includes jumping from a bridge (I-66).
There are some structures in Maryland that can only be reached from Virginia, all at the ends of piers into the Potomac. The most notable one is Colonial Beach Virginia where you can play Maryland gambling games by walking out to the end of the pier...
Mapmikey
Quote from: pianocello on May 28, 2013, 09:11:30 AM
https://maps.google.com/?ll=40.541461,-95.678902&spn=0.089359,0.209255&t=m&z=13 Here's part of the southwest corner of Nebraska that's west of the Missouri river, so it's only accessible from the state of Missouri. However, the Nishnabotna River makes it so the only way to get to that slice of Missouri is through Iowa.
That's McKissick Island, mentioned downthread. It makes an interesting sub-category: in order to drive to this part of Nebraska from "mainland" Nebraska, you'd first have to pass through not just one, but
two other states. I wonder if there are any other examples like that?
what happens to AZ-95 around Needles, CA? as far as I know, the routing of AZ-95 is:
* Rice Dr. NB to I-40 WB
* cross into California
* get off at J Street exit in Needles
* jog west on W. Broadway to K Street
* jog north on S K Street
* jog west on Front Street
* cross railroad on N K Street, which turns into Levee Way and crosses back into Arizona
this is signed pretty well as "to Arizona 95". would this count as an orphan in the sense that, in order to clinch AZ-95 in one straight shot, one has to drive into California for a few miles?
Quote from: usends on May 28, 2013, 12:45:45 PM
Quote from: pianocello on May 28, 2013, 09:11:30 AM
https://maps.google.com/?ll=40.541461,-95.678902&spn=0.089359,0.209255&t=m&z=13 Here's part of the southwest corner of Nebraska that's west of the Missouri river, so it's only accessible from the state of Missouri. However, the Nishnabotna River makes it so the only way to get to that slice of Missouri is through Iowa.
That's McKissick Island, mentioned downthread. It makes an interesting sub-category: in order to drive to this part of Nebraska from "mainland" Nebraska, you'd first have to pass through not just one, but two other states. I wonder if there are any other examples like that?
Four Corners Monument Parking Lot...to get to the Utah side requires passing through either Colorado or Arizona from New Mexico. If they ever made the loop one-way, you'd have to pass through 3 states to get to Arizona...
Mapmikey
Estcourt Station, ME is another orphan that can only be reached from Canada, unless you drive hundreds of miles through the Allagash to get there (even has a PQ area code and Canadian electricity). Fishers Island, NY is 2 miles off of Groton, CT, has a CT type ZIP code, and can only be reached by ferry from New London, CT. Another note, the highest point in CT, the south slope of Mt. Frissell, can only be accessed from MA on land.
Quote from: mukade on May 27, 2013, 09:18:22 PM
I can't think of any example comparable to the Kentucky bend where an area is not contiguous to the rest of the state. Every other one I am aware of is contiguous - even if by water only. The Kentucky bend has about 3.5 miles of Missouri between the two sections of Kentucky.
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=36.513499,-89.45446&spn=0.179909,0.390358&t=h&z=12 (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=36.513499,-89.45446&spn=0.179909,0.390358&t=h&z=12)
Delaware has a piece of land on the New Jersey side of the Delaware River due to the 12 mile circle.
Quote from: usends on May 28, 2013, 10:37:38 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on May 28, 2013, 09:16:40 AM
This is called a "pene-exclave" (I find this term amusing), that is, a part of a territory physically connected to the rest of it but can only be accesed from another territory. For example, there is some village in Spain that only can be reached from Andorra. Or the Northwest Angle in MN (Unless you go by boat, you have to enter Canada to reach it)
There are probably hundreds of examples of pene-exclaves
Indeed. For example, the entire state of Alaska is a pene-exclave of the United States. It is, in fact, the world's largest pene-exclave.
I found this interesting:
Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_enclaves_and_exclaves
Shifts in the meandering course of the lower Rio Bravo del Norte (Rio Grande) have created numerous pene-exclaves. Under the Boundary Treaty of 1970 and earlier treaties, the two nations have maintained the actual course of the river as the international boundary, but both must approve proposed changes. From 1989 to 2009, there were 128 locations where the river changed course, causing land that had been on one side of the river to then occupy the opposite bank. Until the boundary is officially changed, there are 60 small pene-exclaves of the state of Texas now lying on the southern side of the river, as well as 68 such pene-exclaves of Mexico on the northern side of the river. The last such exchange (of pre-1989 river cuts) occurred in 2009, after languishing as a proposal for 20 years.
Quote from: kphoger on May 28, 2013, 02:01:11 PM
Indeed. For example, the entire state of Alaska is a pene-exclave of the United States. It is, in fact, the world's largest pene-exclave.
it's also a regular non-penile exclave. as far as I know, Alaska's water territory does not share a boundary with that of, say, Washington.
Vulcan, WV. Accessible by road only via a bridge crossing the Tug Fork of the Big Sandy River from KY 194.
http://goo.gl/maps/yB8Jj
The community gained notoriety in 1977 by requesting help from the Soviet Union to build a bridge. The Tug Fork belongs to WV so it was that state's responsibility and they weren't too keen on building a new bridge, and Kentucky wouldn't because it served no purpose for the Bluegrass State.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 28, 2013, 02:05:08 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 28, 2013, 02:01:11 PM
Indeed. For example, the entire state of Alaska is a pene-exclave of the United States. It is, in fact, the world's largest pene-exclave.
it's also a regular non-penile exclave. as far as I know, Alaska's water territory does not share a boundary with that of, say, Washington.
No, it is not a true exclave, since one could conceivably put out to sea from the Oregon coast, and then dock at the Alaska coast without having crossed into any other nation's territory. In other words, it is not actually necessary to enter Canada in order to reach Alaska.
Quote from: hbelkins on May 28, 2013, 02:14:39 PM
Vulcan, WV. Accessible by road only via a bridge crossing the Tug Fork of the Big Sandy River from KY 194.
http://goo.gl/maps/yB8Jj
The community gained notoriety in 1977 by requesting help from the Soviet Union to build a bridge. The Tug Fork belongs to WV so it was that state's responsibility and they weren't too keen on building a new bridge, and Kentucky wouldn't because it served no purpose for the Bluegrass State.
wow. not only has the Google Street View car not been there - but its streets aren't even mapped! yes, the Soviet Union is an adequate comparison!
Quote from: kphoger on May 28, 2013, 02:36:11 PM
No, it is not a true exclave, since one could conceivably put out to sea from the Oregon coast, and then dock at the Alaska coast without having crossed into any other nation's territory. In other words, it is not actually necessary to enter Canada in order to reach Alaska.
I assume this is not the case for the Kaliningrad Oblast? i.e. you'd probably be in either Finnish or Estonian waters in the Gulf of Finland if you set sail from St. Petersburg? or is there an international channel there too?
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 28, 2013, 02:37:43 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 28, 2013, 02:36:11 PM
No, it is not a true exclave, since one could conceivably put out to sea from the Oregon coast, and then dock at the Alaska coast without having crossed into any other nation's territory. In other words, it is not actually necessary to enter Canada in order to reach Alaska.
I assume this is not the case for the Kaliningrad Oblast? i.e. you'd probably be in either Finnish or Estonian waters in the Gulf of Finland if you set sail from St. Petersburg? or is there an international channel there too?
Калинингра́дская о́бласть is a true exclave. At least, in American English it is. In Alanlandian English, it's considered a goat's penis. But, then again, all oblasts are called that.
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 28, 2013, 12:39:03 PM
Washington DC has the Woodrow Wilson Bridge. Columbia Island would also count unless by land includes jumping from a bridge (I-66).
That's Roosevelt Island.
Columbia Island can be reached from the "Virginia" end of the Arlington Memorial Bridge (which is still in D.C.).
Quote from: thenetwork on May 27, 2013, 06:24:28 PM
In other words, if you wish to get to a certain part of a state by land, you can only reach it if you go through another state.
The extreme southwest corner of Jefferson County, W.Va. is only reachable by land via Va. 601 (Raven Rocks Road) off of Va. 7 (Harry Byrd Highway) in Loudoun County. Google Maps here (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=39.138515,-77.823164&hl=en&num=1&t=h&z=15). I suppose it is possible to walk across private lands from other parts of Jefferson County, but if you want to drive, you must take Va. 601 through Loudoun County.
Also privately-owned Selden Island, Montgomery County, Md. in the Potomac River is only reachable by land from a small private bridge (not open to the public) from Loudoun County, Va. Google Maps here (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=selden+island&hl=en&ll=39.075377,-77.451124&spn=0.037247,0.077162&sll=39.138416,-77.823029&sspn=0.018607,0.038581&t=h&hnear=Selden+Island&z=14).
Ellis Island is accessible by car from New Jersey, so I guess that counts. Never driven that bridge, though. Judging by the signage on the mainland side, it doesn't look like it's public access.
Quote from: MrDisco99 on May 28, 2013, 03:22:16 PM
Ellis Island is accessible by car from New Jersey, so I guess that counts. Never driven that bridge, though. Judging by the signage on the mainland side, it doesn't look like it's public access.
are there welcome signs for NY and NJ on that bridge?
Turns out Maine was a pene-exclave of Massachusetts until 1820, and Westmoreland County, CT was a pene-exclave in the Wyoming Valley of PA untill 1784.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 28, 2013, 03:00:04 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 28, 2013, 12:39:03 PM
Washington DC has the Woodrow Wilson Bridge. Columbia Island would also count unless by land includes jumping from a bridge (I-66).
That's Roosevelt Island.
Columbia Island can be reached from the "Virginia" end of the Arlington Memorial Bridge (which is still in D.C.).
True enough. Got my signals crossed as I researched both islands and ruled out Columbia Island for the reason you gave, then typed it anyway.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 28, 2013, 02:05:08 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 28, 2013, 02:01:11 PM
Indeed. For example, the entire state of Alaska is a pene-exclave of the United States. It is, in fact, the world's largest pene-exclave.
it's also a regular non-penile exclave. as far as I know, Alaska's water territory does not share a boundary with that of, say, Washington.
Heh heh you said penile
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 28, 2013, 04:00:22 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 28, 2013, 03:00:04 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 28, 2013, 12:39:03 PM
Washington DC has the Woodrow Wilson Bridge. Columbia Island would also count unless by land includes jumping from a bridge (I-66).
That's Roosevelt Island.
Columbia Island can be reached from the "Virginia" end of the Arlington Memorial Bridge (which is still in D.C.).
True enough. Got my signals crossed as I researched both islands and ruled out Columbia Island for the reason you gave, then typed it anyway.
Not a problem. It is possible to walk from Virginia to Roosevelt Island (in D.C.) via a small bridge (no motorized traffic allowed) from a parking lot on the northbound side of the George Washington Memorial Parkway.
To make things more fun, there are no signs at all marking the D.C./Va. boundary along the George Washington Memorial Parkway - or on Washington Boulevard, S.W. (Va. 27 on the Virginia side of the Boundary Channel).
Many people assume that the "Virginia" end of the Arlington Memorial Bridge is in Virginia, but it isn't.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 28, 2013, 03:06:26 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on May 27, 2013, 06:24:28 PM
In other words, if you wish to get to a certain part of a state by land, you can only reach it if you go through another state.
The extreme southwest corner of Jefferson County, W.Va. is only reachable by land via Va. 601 (Raven Rocks Road) off of Va. 7 (Harry Byrd Highway) in Loudoun County. Google Maps here (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=39.138515,-77.823164&hl=en&num=1&t=h&z=15). I suppose it is possible to walk across private lands from other parts of Jefferson County, but if you want to drive, you must take Va. 601 through Loudoun County.
Also privately-owned Selden Island, Montgomery County, Md. in the Potomac River is only reachable by land from a small private bridge (not open to the public) from Loudoun County, Va. Google Maps here (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=selden+island&hl=en&ll=39.075377,-77.451124&spn=0.037247,0.077162&sll=39.138416,-77.823029&sspn=0.018607,0.038581&t=h&hnear=Selden+Island&z=14).
I remember reading an article some years back (almost certainly in the Washington
Post) about some of those areas along the state line and what a hassle they all found it to be in terms of government services. The school bus rides were quite long and getting emergency vehicles to come–apparently they didn't have a deal with the other state–was particularly problematic because the drivers would turn back when they saw a state line sign.
The comment further up the thread about Vulcan, WV, makes it sound as though those sorts of problems aren't unique.
Quote from: texaskdog on May 28, 2013, 04:03:14 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 28, 2013, 02:05:08 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 28, 2013, 02:01:11 PM
Indeed. For example, the entire state of Alaska is a pene-exclave of the United States. It is, in fact, the world's largest pene-exclave.
it's also a regular non-penile exclave. as far as I know, Alaska's water territory does not share a boundary with that of, say, Washington.
Heh heh you said penile
So did you. heh heh
heh heh florida
Quote from: Duke87 on May 27, 2013, 11:20:43 PM
I drive I-684 through Connecticut fairly often.
looks like not only I-684, but a business in Connecticut as well, can only be accessed from New York
http://goo.gl/maps/99i16
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 28, 2013, 08:24:53 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on May 27, 2013, 11:20:43 PM
I drive I-684 through Connecticut fairly often.
looks like not only I-684, but a business in Connecticut as well, can only be accessed from New York
http://goo.gl/maps/99i16
An animation studio owned by 20th Century Fox. Cool!
This was formerly the site of Greenwich American Can.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 28, 2013, 03:26:49 PM
Quote from: MrDisco99 on May 28, 2013, 03:22:16 PM
Ellis Island is accessible by car from New Jersey, so I guess that counts. Never driven that bridge, though. Judging by the signage on the mainland side, it doesn't look like it's public access.
are there welcome signs for NY and NJ on that bridge?
Doesn't appear so. (https://maps.google.com/?ll=40.702602,-74.045362&spn=0.008231,0.015471&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=40.702655,-74.045299&panoid=GKJ2QIEwMRb0F2D8IVlkVw&cbp=12,137.48,,0,6.24)
But the bridge is most definitely not open to the general public.
What about US-212 in the northeast corner of Wyoming? That part of the state is only accessible from Montana and South Dakota.
I guess I needed to jump in here at some point. :happy:
Another example of an isolated place in Wyoming (aside from US 212 near Colony) is Alta, Wyoming, home of Grand Targhee Ski Resort. While someone could theoretically hike from Grand Teton National Park west into Alta and remain in Wyoming the whole time, the most logical way to get to Alta is by driving Wyoming 22 west to Idaho 33 north to Driggs and Little Avenue/Ski Hill Road east to Alta.
Regards,
Andy
Hey look, another orphaned joyrod: US 191 in far northwest Wyoming. It's the only road through Yellowstone that's intended for through truck trarffic and doesn't charge a toll.
I would say that Alaska is NOT physically connected to the rest of the US. To reach it without entering Canada, you have to travel in international waters, and therefore leave the US.
Surprised nobody has mentioned Kanatakon, QC.
The customs situation can be weird on some the international ones. Hyde, AK has no inspection station of the US side but does on the Canadian side for some reason (they only conceivable reason I can think of is to enforce Canada's drunk driving laws). Estcourt Junction, ME has customs on both sides for reasons I don't understand. This one is very strict - the agents have said that one lady, whose property straddles the border, has to report to customs just to water her plants - and customs only has limited hours! Kanatakon, QC has no border patrol on either side, but that's probably only due to the Akwesasne reservation; both sides would install inspection booths here in a heartbeat if they could.
Quote from: Duke87 on May 28, 2013, 09:10:25 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 28, 2013, 03:26:49 PM
Quote from: MrDisco99 on May 28, 2013, 03:22:16 PM
Ellis Island is accessible by car from New Jersey, so I guess that counts. Never driven that bridge, though. Judging by the signage on the mainland side, it doesn't look like it's public access.
are there welcome signs for NY and NJ on that bridge?
Doesn't appear so. (https://maps.google.com/?ll=40.702602,-74.045362&spn=0.008231,0.015471&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=40.702655,-74.045299&panoid=GKJ2QIEwMRb0F2D8IVlkVw&cbp=12,137.48,,0,6.24)
But the bridge is most definitely not open to the general public.
Not that the bridge actually crosses a state line. The Supreme Court ruled that the state boundary followed the original edge of the island, so all the reclaimed land (the majority of the island) is part of NJ, and NJ isn't giving it up any time soon.
Quote from: vdeane on May 29, 2013, 11:00:14 AM
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The customs situation can be weird on some the international ones. Hyde, AK has no inspection station of the US side but does on the Canadian side for some reason (they only conceivable reason I can think of is to enforce Canada's drunk driving laws). Estcourt Junction, ME has customs on both sides for reasons I don't understand. This one is very strict - the agents have said that one lady, whose property straddles the border, has to report to customs just to water her plants - and customs only has limited hours! Kanatakon, QC has no border patrol on either side, but that's probably only due to the Akwesasne reservation; both sides would install inspection booths here in a heartbeat if they could.
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Estcourt Station was also the site of the Michel Jalbert fiasco (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/795053/posts) at the hands of the US CBP.
Another story about it: http://injusticebusters.org/2003/Jalbert_Michel.html
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 29, 2013, 11:19:55 AM
Quote from: vdeane on May 29, 2013, 11:00:14 AM
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The customs situation can be weird on some the international ones. Hyde, AK has no inspection station of the US side but does on the Canadian side for some reason (they only conceivable reason I can think of is to enforce Canada's drunk driving laws). Estcourt Junction, ME has customs on both sides for reasons I don't understand. This one is very strict - the agents have said that one lady, whose property straddles the border, has to report to customs just to water her plants - and customs only has limited hours! Kanatakon, QC has no border patrol on either side, but that's probably only due to the Akwesasne reservation; both sides would install inspection booths here in a heartbeat if they could.
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Estcourt Station was also the site of the Michel Jalbert fiasco (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/795053/posts) at the hands of the US CBP.
Another story about it: http://injusticebusters.org/2003/Jalbert_Michel.html
if the US insists on doing everything by the book in Estcourt Station (which is silly), they should simply sell the land to Canada, and use the money on the residents to either relocate elsewhere in the US, or to handle the paperwork of becoming Canadian residents (and citizens, if they so desire) smoothly. there's no reason to have that kind of bureaucracy.
or, ya know, make it easier and have the border guards learn to recognize the 100 or so locals of the area and allow them unfettered access to either side of things. but that would be far too simple.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 29, 2013, 11:51:26 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 29, 2013, 11:19:55 AM
Quote from: vdeane on May 29, 2013, 11:00:14 AM
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The customs situation can be weird on some the international ones. Hyde, AK has no inspection station of the US side but does on the Canadian side for some reason (they only conceivable reason I can think of is to enforce Canada's drunk driving laws). Estcourt Junction, ME has customs on both sides for reasons I don't understand. This one is very strict - the agents have said that one lady, whose property straddles the border, has to report to customs just to water her plants - and customs only has limited hours! Kanatakon, QC has no border patrol on either side, but that's probably only due to the Akwesasne reservation; both sides would install inspection booths here in a heartbeat if they could.
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Estcourt Station was also the site of the Michel Jalbert fiasco (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/795053/posts) at the hands of the US CBP.
Another story about it: http://injusticebusters.org/2003/Jalbert_Michel.html
if the US insists on doing everything by the book in Estcourt Station (which is silly), they should simply sell the land to Canada, and use the money on the residents to either relocate elsewhere in the US, or to handle the paperwork of becoming Canadian residents (and citizens, if they so desire) smoothly. there's no reason to have that kind of bureaucracy.
or, ya know, make it easier and have the border guards learn to recognize the 100 or so locals of the area and allow them unfettered access to either side of things. but that would be far too simple.
I've a better idea - the President should
order the Secretary of DHS to
order CBP (and the U.S. Border Patrol) to cut out the nonsense at Estcourt Station and stop bothering the locals that want to cross there for the cheaper motor fuel on the U.S. side of the border.
U.S. border "protection" along the U.S./Canadian line is an embarrassment to me as a U.S. citizen and taxpayer.
Especially at places like Estcourt Station and Derby Line.
I don't think the president cares about Estcourt Station. only four voters.
Quote from: vdeane on May 29, 2013, 11:00:14 AM
I would say that Alaska is NOT physically connected to the rest of the US. To reach it without entering Canada, you have to travel in international waters, and therefore leave the US.
The Alaska Marine Highway has two popular auto ferry routes connecting Bellingham WA to southeast Alaska. One of them, every two weeks in the summer, also includes stops near Anchorage and on the Kenai Peninsula south of Anchorage. Those routes pass through Canadian waters, but with no stops in Canada or need to clear customs. They come in handy for travelers who want to take their cars between Alaska and the lower 48 (or between southeast Alaska and the rest of the state), but can't drive through Canada due to DUI or other criminal records, or who want to bring with them firearms or other goods legal in the U.S. but not in Canada.
Quote from: vdeane on May 29, 2013, 11:00:14 AM
Hyder, AK has no inspection station of the US side but does on the Canadian side for some reason (they only conceivable reason I can think of is to enforce Canada's drunk driving laws).
Also to help catch Canadians smuggling cheap tobacco and alcohol purchased in Hyder, though even before the checkpoint was opened the RCMP was watching for that stuff as well as DUIs.
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 28, 2013, 04:24:15 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 28, 2013, 03:06:26 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on May 27, 2013, 06:24:28 PM
In other words, if you wish to get to a certain part of a state by land, you can only reach it if you go through another state.
The extreme southwest corner of Jefferson County, W.Va. is only reachable by land via Va. 601 (Raven Rocks Road) off of Va. 7 (Harry Byrd Highway) in Loudoun County. Google Maps here (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=39.138515,-77.823164&hl=en&num=1&t=h&z=15). I suppose it is possible to walk across private lands from other parts of Jefferson County, but if you want to drive, you must take Va. 601 through Loudoun County.
Also privately-owned Selden Island, Montgomery County, Md. in the Potomac River is only reachable by land from a small private bridge (not open to the public) from Loudoun County, Va. Google Maps here (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=selden+island&hl=en&ll=39.075377,-77.451124&spn=0.037247,0.077162&sll=39.138416,-77.823029&sspn=0.018607,0.038581&t=h&hnear=Selden+Island&z=14).
I remember reading an article some years back (almost certainly in the Washington Post) about some of those areas along the state line and what a hassle they all found it to be in terms of government services. The school bus rides were quite long and getting emergency vehicles to come–apparently they didn't have a deal with the other state–was particularly problematic because the drivers would turn back when they saw a state line sign.
The comment further up the thread about Vulcan, WV, makes it sound as though those sorts of problems aren't unique.
I recall that as well - and it may have related to that little snippet of Jefferson County, W.Va. that can only be reached from Loudoun County, Va.
The islands in the Potomac River have been trouble sometimes, but it usually involves river rescues and sometimes medical emergencies of people "trapped" on one of them. Usually Montgomery County, Md. Fire & Rescue as well as their colleagues from Fairfax County or Loudoun County end up responding, and they work well together.
If it's a law enforcement problem, then I suppose that Montgomery County Police, or sometimes Maryland Department of Natural Resources Police (they have the same police powers as the Maryland State Police and are often present in or near the Potomac River enforcing boating laws and fish and game laws and regulations)
must respond, since Virginia law enforcement has no jurisdiction on any of the islands, not even Selden Island with its only land connection to Virginia.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 29, 2013, 12:04:29 PM
I've a better idea - the President should order the Secretary of DHS to order CBP (and the U.S. Border Patrol) to cut out the nonsense at Estcourt Station and stop bothering the locals that want to cross there for the cheaper motor fuel on the U.S. side of the border.
U.S. border "protection" along the U.S./Canadian line is an embarrassment to me as a U.S. citizen and taxpayer. Especially at places like Estcourt Station and Derby Line.
Most agreed. Why the hell we need protection along the Canadian border is beyond me. Are they so afraid that someone might just buy some weed in Canada and smoke it in the US? Are they so afraid that someone might smuggle a toilet from Canada? We need to work together better with Canada and just dump the border controls altogether.
Quote from: Brandon on May 29, 2013, 12:17:49 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on May 29, 2013, 12:04:29 PM
I've a better idea - the President should order the Secretary of DHS to order CBP (and the U.S. Border Patrol) to cut out the nonsense at Estcourt Station and stop bothering the locals that want to cross there for the cheaper motor fuel on the U.S. side of the border.
U.S. border "protection" along the U.S./Canadian line is an embarrassment to me as a U.S. citizen and taxpayer. Especially at places like Estcourt Station and Derby Line.
Most agreed. Why the hell we need protection along the Canadian border is beyond me. Are they so afraid that someone might just buy some weed in Canada and smoke it in the US? Are they so afraid that someone might smuggle a toilet from Canada? We need to work together better with Canada and just dump the border controls altogether.
How easily we forget. It's all about terrorists. Somehow. I think. Because Georgia.
St. Joseph, Mo., is separated from its airport by the Missouri River. A flood in 1951 changed the course of the river, cutting off land routes from St. Joseph proper. The only way there by land is to go through Elwood, Kansas. K-238, before it was decommissioned, led to the state line. I went up there after it was decommissioned when Elwood annexed a part of U.S. 36.
There is a remote corner of Vernon, NJ that can only be accessed through Warwick, NY or West Milford, NJ most of the year. When Wawayanda State Park is open however you can get to it without leaving town, but it has a fee of $5 to enter the park.
Quote from: apeman33 on May 29, 2013, 09:08:27 PM
St. Joseph, Mo., is separated from its airport by the Missouri River. A flood in 1951 changed the course of the river, cutting off land routes from St. Joseph proper.
It's becoming apparent that a lot of these examples came about because of rivers shifting course. Makes me wonder if it would've made more sense if we'd defined state boundaries not in terms of where the actual river happened to be flowing at the time, but rather in terms of the midpoint of the floodplain. I suppose that would solve some issues, but not all, and it might introduce other problems.
Quote from: usends on May 30, 2013, 10:28:48 AM
Quote from: apeman33 on May 29, 2013, 09:08:27 PM
St. Joseph, Mo., is separated from its airport by the Missouri River. A flood in 1951 changed the course of the river, cutting off land routes from St. Joseph proper.
It's becoming apparent that a lot of these examples came about because of rivers shifting course. Makes me wonder if it would've made more sense if we'd defined state boundaries not in terms of where the actual river happened to be flowing at the time, but rather in terms of the midpoint of the floodplain. I suppose that would solve some issues, but not all, and it might introduce other problems.
But the midpoint of the flood plain is rather indefinite, plus it might move too.
The only way to really solve that kind of border problem is to line the river in concrete so that the river will never move again. That was part of the resolution of the Chamizal border dispute involving the Rio Grande between El Paso and Ciudad Juarez. Of course, often the solution will be worse than the problem, especially for rivers as long as the Mississippi and the Missouri.
Quote from: vdeane on May 29, 2013, 11:00:14 AM
I would say that Alaska is NOT physically connected to the rest of the US. To reach it without entering Canada, you have to travel in international waters, and therefore leave the US.
You can say that if you like, and I'd say the meaning of "orphan" in the OP is rather vague. But Alaska does
not meet the definition of a true excalve, which invariably includes such phrases like "territory of another state", "alien territory", "foreign territory", etc. For example, the Oxford Dictionary defines it thusly:
Quotea portion of territory of one state completely surrounded by territory of another or others, as viewed by the home territory
You'd be hard pressed to convince me that international waters constitute "foreign territory". Therefore I maintain that Alaska in a
pene-enclave only.
Go high enough in the atmosphere and you can jump to enclaves without entering foreign territory.
Quote from: NE2 on May 30, 2013, 12:33:18 PM
Go high enough in the atmosphere and you can jump to enclaves without entering foreign territory.
where is that limit set? I know commercial aviation is still considered to be within each country's airspace (much to the unhappiness of KAL 007).
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 30, 2013, 12:55:45 PM
Quote from: NE2 on May 30, 2013, 12:33:18 PM
Go high enough in the atmosphere and you can jump to enclaves without entering foreign territory.
where is that limit set? I know commercial aviation is still considered to be within each country's airspace (much to the unhappiness of KAL 007).
Wikipedia says that there's no agreement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airspace
Quote from: huskeroadgeek on May 27, 2013, 11:01:52 PM
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on May 27, 2013, 06:46:16 PM
There is a little piece of Iowa across the Missouri River only accessible from Omaha, NE.
That's the city of Carter Lake. Interestingly, the route to Omaha's Eppley Airport from downtown takes one through that little piece of Iowa. There is also a piece of Nebraska that sits on the east side of the Missouri River at the DeSoto bend National Wildlife Refuge just South of US 30. There is also another such piece of Nebraska land called McKissick's Island on the east side of the Missouri River in the NW corner of Missouri.
I believe the tiny piece of the road that goes to that airport is an Iowa state highway. I think it's SR 165.
Quote from: vdeane on May 29, 2013, 11:00:14 AMSurprised nobody has mentioned Kanatakon, QC.
Saint-Régis? Don't count on me for trying this one.
Quote from: apeman33 on May 29, 2013, 09:08:27 PM
St. Joseph, Mo., is separated from its airport by the Missouri River. A flood in 1951 changed the course of the river, cutting off land routes from St. Joseph proper. The only way there by land is to go through Elwood, Kansas. K-238, before it was decommissioned, led to the state line. I went up there after it was decommissioned when Elwood annexed a part of U.S. 36.
Are you sure K-238 has been turned back.... I do not see a Rural Resolution or City Connecting link resolution on the KDOT sit indicating that the road has been turned back.
Quote from: route56 on June 01, 2013, 11:01:08 PM
Quote from: apeman33 on May 29, 2013, 09:08:27 PM
St. Joseph, Mo., is separated from its airport by the Missouri River. A flood in 1951 changed the course of the river, cutting off land routes from St. Joseph proper. The only way there by land is to go through Elwood, Kansas. K-238, before it was decommissioned, led to the state line. I went up there after it was decommissioned when Elwood annexed a part of U.S. 36.
Are you sure K-238 has been turned back.... I do not see a Rural Resolution or City Connecting link resolution on the KDOT sit indicating that the road has been turned back.
Last time I drove by, the shields were gone. I don't remember when that was but I do remember seeing Elwood City Limit signs on U.S. 36 and figured that was the reason.
Quote from: kphoger on May 28, 2013, 08:49:59 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 28, 2013, 08:24:53 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on May 27, 2013, 11:20:43 PM
I drive I-684 through Connecticut fairly often.
looks like not only I-684, but a business in Connecticut as well, can only be accessed from New York
http://goo.gl/maps/99i16
An animation studio owned by 20th Century Fox. Cool!
This was formerly the site of Greenwich American Can.
It's Blue Sky Studios. They did the Ice Age series.
Quote from: silverback1065 on May 30, 2013, 02:26:19 PM
Quote from: huskeroadgeek on May 27, 2013, 11:01:52 PM
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on May 27, 2013, 06:46:16 PM
There is a little piece of Iowa across the Missouri River only accessible from Omaha, NE.
That's the city of Carter Lake. Interestingly, the route to Omaha's Eppley Airport from downtown takes one through that little piece of Iowa. There is also a piece of Nebraska that sits on the east side of the Missouri River at the DeSoto bend National Wildlife Refuge just South of US 30. There is also another such piece of Nebraska land called McKissick's Island on the east side of the Missouri River in the NW corner of Missouri.
I believe the tiny piece of the road that goes to that airport is an Iowa state highway. I think it's SR 165.
And the odd fact about Iowa 165 is that it does not connect to any of the other roads in Carter Lake. There are a couple businesses and a piece of public art which is connected to Iowa 165, but none of it connects to the main part of Carter Lake. The other odd fact is that until the 2011 flood, there used to be a road between Abbott Drive (IA 165) and the river which didn't connect to either Abbott Drive or the main part of Carter Lake, called Freedom Park Road (at least in the Omaha portion of the road; I don't know that Carter Lake ever officially named it).
One other thing I noticed that relates to Nebraska is that the only road which goes to Panorama Point (Nebraska's highest point), according to the Delorme Nebraska atlas, goes through Colorado.
Knotts Island, NC and the tiny piece of Virginia Beach, VA on Knotts Island have been mentioned by a couple people, but on the other (west) side of the North Landing River from Knotts Island, there is a piece of Currituck County, NC cut off by the Northwest River...it can only be reached by a couple roads from southwestern Virginia Beach (namely Blackwater Rd/Former SR 614).
As per the title, I can now say that I've visited the two most notorious state orphans lately: Point Roberts, WA and Angle Inlet, MN.
US-160 and NM-597 at the Four Corners area. one cannot get to these two by road except from other states. 597 is, in fact, the Four Corners access road, and it branches off from 160.
A little off-topic because it is not part of a particular state, but nevertheless interesting because it is not an embassy, other type of diplomatic mission, or a military base, is Runnymede (http://voices.yahoo.com/visit-runnymede-englands-jfk-memorial-stand-on-3970048.html).
Downloadable Google Earth file for all 8000 US/Canadian boundary markers, as advertised on his YouTube about the border.
YouTube:
Webpage for the download:
http://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/canada-the-united-states-bizarre-borders-part-2 (http://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/canada-the-united-states-bizarre-borders-part-2)
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 28, 2013, 03:47:16 PM
Turns out Maine was a pene-exclave of Massachusetts until 1820, and Westmoreland County, CT was a pene-exclave in the Wyoming Valley of PA untill 1784.
And those are the reason I love obscure colonial history
Quote from: TheKnightoftheInterstate on July 03, 2013, 09:13:31 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 28, 2013, 03:47:16 PM
Turns out Maine was a pene-exclave of Massachusetts until 1820, and Westmoreland County, CT was a pene-exclave in the Wyoming Valley of PA untill 1784.
And those are the reason I love obscure colonial history
The term "pene-exclave" is something I've only seen in this thread and one paragraph of the Wikipedia exclave article. It's not a real thing. Please define and restate.
Quote from: Steve on July 03, 2013, 08:35:32 PM
The term "pene-exclave" is something I've only seen in this thread and one paragraph of the Wikipedia exclave article. It's not a real thing. Please define and restate.
It's used occasionally in the real world.
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22pene%20exclave%22&tbm=bks
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22pene-exclave%22
QuoteSimilarly, the term 'pene-exclave' is used to describe small outliers which are physically connected to the homeland, but are easily accessible, i.e. by wheeled traffic, only by passing through the territory of another country.
"Physical connection" appears to include water.
The Arizona Strip is the only "orphan" I've visited recently, and even then, something like a decade ago.
Quote from: Steve on July 03, 2013, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: TheKnightoftheInterstate on July 03, 2013, 09:13:31 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 28, 2013, 03:47:16 PM
Turns out Maine was a pene-exclave of Massachusetts until 1820, and Westmoreland County, CT was a pene-exclave in the Wyoming Valley of PA untill 1784.
And those are the reason I love obscure colonial history
The term "pene-exclave" is something I've only seen in this thread and one paragraph of the Wikipedia exclave article. It's not a real thing. Please define and restate.
I was referring to Maine being part of Massachusetts and Westmoreland County being claimed and settled by Connecticut settlers.
Quote from: oscar on May 27, 2013, 07:44:09 PM
Hyder, Alaska is accessible by road only via Stewart BC. It might be possible to hike there from other places in southeast Alaska, but it'd be a long and difficult hike at best. I drove there in 1994, got "Hyderized", walked around town a few hours until my blood alcohol dropped below Canada's legal limit.
In a way, all of southeast Alaska is orphaned from the rest of Alaska, since the roads between the two are all through Canada, and there are no through roads in the skinny strip of Alaska connecting the two. But there is an auto ferry connection allowing drivers to bypass Canada, and connect to other ferries taking them to most other communities in southeast Alaska (but not Hyder).
Hyder is near the top of my dream road trip list. Just 'cuz I like the idea of boasting that I drove to Alaska.
But I absolutely detest Everclear, but when in Rome...
There is an orphaned part of Tennessee that is on the Arkansas side of the Mississippi River. The community is called Reverie, TN. The area is far from the bridge and the children attend schools in Arkansas. I spoke with a Tipton County Constable about the area and he advised me that he files over the area every now then in his plane. He owns his own plane and patrols in his plane.
Quote from: Duke87 on May 28, 2013, 09:10:25 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 28, 2013, 03:26:49 PM
Quote from: MrDisco99 on May 28, 2013, 03:22:16 PM
Ellis Island is accessible by car from New Jersey, so I guess that counts. Never driven that bridge, though. Judging by the signage on the mainland side, it doesn't look like it's public access.
are there welcome signs for NY and NJ on that bridge?
Doesn't appear so. (https://maps.google.com/?ll=40.702602,-74.045362&spn=0.008231,0.015471&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=40.702655,-74.045299&panoid=GKJ2QIEwMRb0F2D8IVlkVw&cbp=12,137.48,,0,6.24)
But the bridge is most definitely not open to the general public.
That bridge was built in order to facilitate the renovations of the north half of the island from derelict abandoned buildings into the modern museum complex. When those renovations were completed in 1990, there was some debate about whether to keep the temporary bridge, which was only planned to be kept during the construction, and whether that bridge compromised the site's historical integrity as an island. Ultimately it was kept--though as pointed out, as a non-public road. I've never seen any vehicle on it.
Quote from: TheKnightoftheInterstate on July 03, 2013, 09:13:31 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on May 28, 2013, 03:47:16 PM
Turns out Maine was a pene-exclave of Massachusetts until 1820, and Westmoreland County, CT was a pene-exclave in the Wyoming Valley of PA untill 1784.
And those are the reason I love obscure colonial history
Colonial and early post-colonial political geography is a mine of oddities. For instance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_counties_in_New_York#Defunct_counties
Dukes County, NY, anyone?
Or Cle[a]veland, Connecticut?
Quote from: apeman33 on June 03, 2013, 01:58:22 AM
Quote from: route56 on June 01, 2013, 11:01:08 PM
Quote from: apeman33 on May 29, 2013, 09:08:27 PM
St. Joseph, Mo., is separated from its airport by the Missouri River. A flood in 1951 changed the course of the river, cutting off land routes from St. Joseph proper. The only way there by land is to go through Elwood, Kansas. K-238, before it was decommissioned, led to the state line. I went up there after it was decommissioned when Elwood annexed a part of U.S. 36.
Are you sure K-238 has been turned back.... I do not see a Rural Resolution or City Connecting link resolution on the KDOT sit indicating that the road has been turned back.
Last time I drove by, the shields were gone. I don't remember when that was but I do remember seeing Elwood City Limit signs on U.S. 36 and figured that was the reason.
It's also gone from the 2013 official map, but https://idmweb.ksdot.org/publiclib/publicdoc.asp?ID=003707237 hasn't been updated. The same is true of K-221, except that there doesn't seem to be any connecting link resolution for Solomon at all.
There are a few of these along the northeastern portion of the KY/VA border, in Pike County, Ky. and Buchanan County, Va.
https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m4!1m3!1d11203!2d-82.1147171!3d37.4389072
(Anyone else hate the new Google Maps format?)
Quote from: hbelkins on November 28, 2013, 03:09:06 PM
(Anyone else hate the new Google Maps format?)
If you want the yellow roads back, go to google.com/mapmaker
(http://google.com/mapmaker).
This will not change everything back: light orange roads will stay light orange whether they were yellow or freeway before.
If you want more explanation on the new Google Maps, go here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10492.0).
No, I mean the whole format and interface. And I don't see the "short link" option anywhere.
The Northeastern Panhandle of WV is effectively an orphan, as there is only one major road (WV-9) connecting it to the rest of the state.
In that case, so is Idaho north of New Meadows
The closest I have ever gotten to an orphaned part of a state is shown here.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmaps.google.com%2Fmaps%2Fapi%2Fstaticmap%3Fcenter%3D42.742395%2C-71.203728%26amp%3Bspn%3D0.002163%2C0.003766%26amp%3Bt%3Dm%26amp%3Bz%3D18%26amp%3Bsize%3D640x400%26amp%3Bzoom%3D16%26amp%3Bsensor%3Dfalse&hash=2ef5cf4a1a7b0d6e5879d8e6f4f8173557de474f)
It's only 50 feet away from being an orphan (it doesn't quite cross the border on the left).
Quote from: Quillz on July 03, 2013, 10:37:20 PM
The Arizona Strip is the only "orphan" I've visited recently, and even then, something like a decade ago.
I-15 has no connections by road to any AZ or US Highway.
Define "by road". There are some dirt trails that connect I-15 to the rest of Arizona.
There are three parts of Monongalia County, West Virginia that are only accessible by road from Pennsylvania.
- West of Blacksville, Dunkard Creek cuts off a small bend in the creek from the rest of WV: http://goo.gl/maps/bD8E0
- Near Fort Martin, part of CR 53/4 connects to PA township roads on both ends. A private power plant access road also interesects it. http://goo.gl/maps/UMEqx
- Near Cheat Lake, part of Morgans Run Road was disconnected from the rest of the WV road system when a bridge over a bay in Cheat Lake was removed: http://goo.gl/maps/z7FDt