it must be on a public road - and we have to count by driving distance, not as the crow flies, to account for a general lack of infrastructure.
I am thinking it's either eastern Montana along the Canadian border, or somewhere in inner Nevada.
I've got:
end US 191 at Alberta 4, to I-15 in Great Falls, MT: 252 miles
a point on NV-376 which is 256 miles to either the south end of I-580 in Carson City, or I-15 at the US-93 junction never mind; this point is only 181mi from I-80. Forgot about the existence of NV-305.
but there may be shorter routes from each of those points, especially if you navigate over dirt roads.
anyone have any ideas?
The end of the Keweenaw Peninsula gets pretty close to those (242 mi to Wausau, more to Duluth or Green Bay).
didn't think of that one! 243 to Wausau from Schlatter Lake, which is accessed by a narrow dirt road.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 25, 2013, 09:30:12 PM
didn't think of that one! 243 to Wausau from Schlatter Lake, which is accessed by a narrow dirt road.
How far is that from I-75?
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on June 26, 2013, 11:47:48 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 25, 2013, 09:30:12 PM
didn't think of that one! 243 to Wausau from Schlatter Lake, which is accessed by a narrow dirt road.
How far is that from I-75?
Mike
As the crow flies, about the same distance. As one can actually drive on roads, on land, much further. Yes, Virginia, the western UP is closer to the freeway system of Wisconsin than that of Michigan.
So how do we deal with ferries? You can drive all day long and never get from Nantucket to I-495.
Pales in comparsion to some of the western examples, but in up in Allagash, ME you can drive more than 130 miles away from I-95, which is impressive for New England.
A longer East Coast example would be Key West, FL, about 160 miles from the nearest interstate at I-95.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 26, 2013, 07:17:36 PM
Pales in comparsion to some of the western examples, but in up in Allagash, ME you can drive more than 130 miles away from I-95, which is impressive for New England.
Estcourt Junction is even further, accessible via logging roads in the US or via provincial highways in Quebec.
Key West is a pretty good ways from I-95, 180+ I think, but it's not the farthest I'm sure.
Jake: coincidentally, a GIS analysis "as the crow flies" coincides with the two farthest you came up with: at/just east of the US 191 Canadian border crossing, and the north end of US 41 on the Keweenaw Peninsula.
Using a random point on U.S. 395 in Oregon, the closest route to any interstate I could find was to I-84 in Ontario, at 221 miles.
http://goo.gl/maps/qlwo1
Quote from: Molandfreak on June 27, 2013, 01:53:51 AM
Using a random point on U.S. 395 in Oregon, the closest route to any interstate I could find was to I-84 in Ontario, at 221 miles.
http://goo.gl/maps/qlwo1
That point is a bit closer (204 miles) to I-5 in Ashland: http://goo.gl/maps/snJOX
So, go a few miles up the road and you'd be about 212.5 miles from each interstate.
Don't forget Alaska! :-P According to Google Maps, Deadhorse is 496 miles away from unsigned I-A2/I-A4 (AK-2/AK-3) junction in Fairbanks.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on June 27, 2013, 05:29:09 AM
Don't forget Alaska! :-P According to Google Maps, Deadhorse is 496 miles away from unsigned I-A2/I-A4 (AK-2/AK-3) junction in Fairbanks.
Alaska was intentionally forgotten–it's not in the lower 48!
The Morgan, MT border crossing is 245 miles from I-15.
Quote from: doorknob60 on June 27, 2013, 02:52:20 AM
Quote from: Molandfreak on June 27, 2013, 01:53:51 AM
Using a random point on U.S. 395 in Oregon, the closest route to any interstate I could find was to I-84 in Ontario, at 221 miles.
http://goo.gl/maps/qlwo1
That point is a bit closer (204 miles) to I-5 in Ashland: http://goo.gl/maps/snJOX
So, go a few miles up the road and you'd be about 212.5 miles from each interstate.
Ah, I forgot to check I-5 in Ashland!
Quote from: NE2 on June 25, 2013, 09:16:59 PM
The end of the Keweenaw Peninsula gets pretty close to those (242 mi to Wausau, more to Duluth or Green Bay).
Since the OP said the distance is via road and other transportation, and not as the crow flies, your comment prompted me to think that somewhere on Isle Royale might be the answer given that you have to take a ferry. But then I remembered that the ferries from Copper Harbor (which is how I went on my lone trip to the island) are not the only ones–there are also ferries from Houghton and, more importantly for this thread, from Grand Portage, Minnesota. It's only about 140 miles from the end of I-35 in Duluth to Grand Portage, so via that route the distance is substantially shorter.
Quote from: Brandon on June 26, 2013, 12:29:13 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on June 26, 2013, 11:47:48 AM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 25, 2013, 09:30:12 PM
didn't think of that one! 243 to Wausau from Schlatter Lake, which is accessed by a narrow dirt road.
How far is that from I-75?
As the crow flies, about the same distance. As one can actually drive on roads, on land, much further. Yes, Virginia, the western UP is closer to the freeway system of Wisconsin than that of Michigan.
Checking the area on Google maps and aerial images, they show a narrow dirt road (High Rock Bay Rd) that goes around the north side of Schlatter Lake to end at the very tip of the peninsula, several km farther away from I-39 at Rothschild, WI than Mandan Rd mentioned above (remember that I-39 ends at the southeast WI 29 split interchange - the Rothschild interchange).
Mike
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 27, 2013, 12:38:20 PM
Quote from: NE2 on June 25, 2013, 09:16:59 PM
The end of the Keweenaw Peninsula gets pretty close to those (242 mi to Wausau, more to Duluth or Green Bay).
Since the OP said the distance is via road and other transportation, and not as the crow flies, your comment prompted me to think that somewhere on Isle Royale might be the answer given that you have to take a ferry. But then I remembered that the ferries from Copper Harbor (which is how I went on my lone trip to the island) are not the only ones–there are also ferries from Houghton and, more importantly for this thread, from Grand Portage, Minnesota. It's only about 140 miles from the end of I-35 in Duluth to Grand Portage, so via that route the distance is substantially shorter.
Isle Royale doesn't allow vehicular traffic; therefore it doesn't meet the requirements given that it has no public roads.
Not a winner (but darn impressive anyway) would be SW Kansas. I do know Liberal to Shamrock, TX is about 150 miles (so is Liberal to Oakley and I-70), so anywhere west and north would be more.
rte66man
Quote from: Molandfreak on June 27, 2013, 12:46:52 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 27, 2013, 12:38:20 PM
Quote from: NE2 on June 25, 2013, 09:16:59 PM
The end of the Keweenaw Peninsula gets pretty close to those (242 mi to Wausau, more to Duluth or Green Bay).
Since the OP said the distance is via road and other transportation, and not as the crow flies, your comment prompted me to think that somewhere on Isle Royale might be the answer given that you have to take a ferry. But then I remembered that the ferries from Copper Harbor (which is how I went on my lone trip to the island) are not the only ones–there are also ferries from Houghton and, more importantly for this thread, from Grand Portage, Minnesota. It's only about 140 miles from the end of I-35 in Duluth to Grand Portage, so via that route the distance is substantially shorter.
Isle Royale doesn't allow vehicular traffic; therefore it doesn't meet the requirements given that it has no public roads.
Somehow I overlooked the very first sentence of the original post. D'oh. :verymad:
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 27, 2013, 08:04:49 AM
The Morgan, MT border crossing is 245 miles from I-15.
along what routing? I actually get 256 via the Google default routing of 191 to Malta, 2 to Havre, 87 to Great Falls and then west on Central Ave. to exit 280 of I-15.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 27, 2013, 12:53:13 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 27, 2013, 08:04:49 AM
The Morgan, MT border crossing is 245 miles from I-15.
along what routing? I actually get 256 via the Google default routing of 191 to Malta, 2 to Havre, 87 to Great Falls and then west on Central Ave. to exit 280 of I-15.
Via dirt roads make it shorter.
http://goo.gl/maps/SDiFk
I got it down to 380km, which is 235 miles.
http://goo.gl/maps/za8X5
(good job idiot google maps switching to kilometers when the start point is within ~5 miles of Canada, despite the fact that the entire route is in the US.)
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 27, 2013, 01:09:16 PM
(good job idiot google maps switching to kilometers when the start point is within ~5 miles of Canada, despite the fact that the entire route is in the US.)
Lol, I was wondering about that :-D
I can get the distance from the UP to I-39 down to 237 miles using a few old alignments and strategically located dirt roads.
is there a point near the Morgan crossing that takes us farther from I-15, without then getting too close to I-94?
I have found this point southeast of Morgan, MT:
http://goo.gl/maps/8kd9a
a trip from Great Falls to Miles City via this point is 504 miles, so I believe it is 252 miles from each of I-94 and I-15.
http://goo.gl/maps/qWcJM :bigass:
Quote from: vdeane on June 26, 2013, 09:17:25 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on June 26, 2013, 07:17:36 PM
Pales in comparsion to some of the western examples, but in up in Allagash, ME you can drive more than 130 miles away from I-95, which is impressive for New England.
Estcourt Junction is even further, accessible via logging roads in the US or via provincial highways in Quebec.
As through traffic is forbidden (and enforced) in Northern Maine Woods, one cannot enter that territory at some checkpoint and leave at another one.
Thus, entering the United States at Escourt (Pohénégamook), Saint-Pamphile, Saint-Just and Sainte-Aurélie ports of entry require you to leave by the same POE, meaning you have to leave US to reach I-95. That condition added to this thread's requirements, here are some distances via Northern Maine Woods checkpoints from I-95 via Canada :
- If you find yourself having entered NMW at Estcourt customs and reach Caribou Checkpoint, that would be 294 miles (http://goo.gl/maps/CAQTR) from I-95's exit 286
- Having entered at Saint-Pamphile and reaching Oxbow Checkpoint, you find yourself at 340 miles (http://goo.gl/maps/bwn4t) from I-95's exit 217
- Having entered at Saint-Pamphile and reaching Caribou Checkpoint, you find yourself at 356 miles (http://goo.gl/maps/mwAen) from I-95's exit 217
- Saint-Pamphile POE to I-95 exit 217 : 238 miles
- Saint-Just POE to I-95 exit 217 : 202 miles
Quote from: Molandfreak on June 27, 2013, 01:26:16 PM
http://goo.gl/maps/qWcJM :bigass:
oops, forgot that Glendive is closer than Miles City and is therefore the more appropriate point to use.
Quote from: webfil on June 27, 2013, 01:29:48 PM
As through traffic is forbidden (and enforced) in Northern Maine Woods, one cannot enter that territory at some checkpoint and leave at another one.
holy non-determinism.
what if I hiked/snowmobiled/four-wheelered to the Caribou checkpoint from somewhere else within Maine, and found myself there without any Canadian point of entry paperwork, as I had never been in Canada? then how far would it be to I-95 for me?
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 27, 2013, 01:49:08 PM
Quote from: webfil on June 27, 2013, 01:29:48 PM
As through traffic is forbidden (and enforced) in Northern Maine Woods, one cannot enter that territory at some checkpoint and leave at another one.
holy non-determinism.
E=mc² :-P
You cannot pretend to be absolute when calculating earth surface distances outside orthodromy, especially when asking for a "shortest longest" distance :spin:
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 27, 2013, 01:49:08 PM
what if I hiked/snowmobiled/four-wheelered to the Caribou checkpoint from somewhere else within Maine, and found myself there without any Canadian point of entry paperwork, as I had never been in Canada? then how far would it be to I-95 for me?
Well if you'd enter NMW at Caribou checkpoint, you'd have to leave at Caribou. Saint-Pamphile checkpoint staff would not let you reach the customs.
You would reach I-95 within 58 miles from Caribou.
Quote from: webfil on June 27, 2013, 02:00:06 PM
Well if you'd enter NMW at Caribou checkpoint, you'd have to leave at Caribou. Saint-Pamphile checkpoint staff would not let you reach the customs.
You would reach I-95 within 58 miles from Caribou.
that could be our answer there.
237 miles from the end of High Rock Bay Road to the beginning of I-39. (unless we find a point in Montana that is farther from both Great Falls and Glendive, which I do not believe exists.)
or, 356 miles from Caribou Checkpoint, ME to I-95
if your papers clear you only for Saint-Pamphile Checkpoint exit.
I just cannot completely wrap my head around this restriction (got shit sleep last night, so I can't wrap my head around much of anything, really.) - given that
some traffic can get to I-95 within 58 miles from Caribou Checkpoint, just because
you cannot doesn't mean that I-95 isn't 58 miles away.
fucking non-determinism. I should have made the original question be "location in the lower 48 farthest from an interstate highway, assuming you have the correct paperwork to minimize your distance". but I didn't. so Caribou it is.
Quote from: webfil on June 27, 2013, 02:00:06 PM
E=mc² :-P
you mean iħ ∂/∂tΨ = ĤΨ? :sombrero:
QuoteYou cannot pretend to be absolute when calculating earth surface distances outside orthodromy, especially when asking for a "shortest longest" distance :spin:
I think given the definition of "public road", we can say that Google Maps is a close enough approximation to known centerline mileages. even if centerline mileage is an illusion, it is a useful one.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 27, 2013, 02:15:38 PM
Quote from: webfil on June 27, 2013, 02:00:06 PM
E=mc² :-P
you mean iħ ∂/∂tΨ = ĤΨ? :sombrero:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn0.meme.li%2Finstances%2F300x300%2F31026483.jpg&hash=f666a27db80aa74aaa8d1e4d8f899c012c0d125d)
Only if the cat is dead, not dead or undead.
Quote from: webfil on June 27, 2013, 02:19:10 PM
Only if the cat is dead, not dead or undead.
oh good grief. do
not attempt to calculate distances to interstates in Alanland.
http://goo.gl/maps/Bmon2
I think this is as close as we're going to get to the UP.
The "shortest longest" point is obviously located in Alanland :)
Quote from: Molandfreak on June 27, 2013, 02:40:33 PM
http://goo.gl/maps/Bmon2
I think this is as close as we're going to get to the UP.
that can be taken down to 218.
http://goo.gl/maps/RKflF
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 27, 2013, 06:36:14 AMAlaska was intentionally forgotten–it's not in the lower 48!
Damn, I didn't read the full title :banghead:.
Anyway, I just found the southernmost tip of the Big Bend NP in Texas isn't that far of an interstate, just 157 miles (252 km) away from I-10 at Fort Stockton...
There's some discussion here, concentrating on actual settlements: http://www.theatlanticcities.com/commute/2012/10/how-far-can-you-live-interstate-highway/3449/
Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 27, 2013, 02:24:37 PM
Quote from: webfil on June 27, 2013, 02:19:10 PM
Only if the cat is dead, not dead or undead.
oh good grief. do not attempt to calculate distances to interstates in Alanland.
No, the cat is 50% alive and 50% dead (link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat))
I don't think this has anything to do with Alanland.
Schrodinger bought all his cats from Alanland.
Quote from: SD Mapman on March 16, 2014, 01:00:36 AM
I don't think this has anything to do with Alanland.
It has nothing and everything to do with Alanland.
Within Texas, it's 153 miles from the Boquillas border crossing in Big Bend National Park to I-10 at Fort Stockton or from a spot on FM 170 between Terlingua and Presidio to I-10 at the interchange for Balmorhea.
Prior to I-2 and I-69 being signed, a border crossing near McAllen would have come in just ahead, at 154 miles to the end of I-35 in Laredo and 155 miles to the I-37/US 77 interchange in Robstown.