I'm sure almost everyone here knows about the section of NY 17/Future I-86 near Sayre, PA where the right of way crosses from New York into Pennsylvania for a little less than a mile. I believe this section is still maintained by NYSDOT and retains continuity with its NY mile markers and exit numbering. The only way you'd know you had crossed into Pennsylvania are small signs reading "State Border" at the line–but the signs don't even name the state in question. (http://bit.ly/16Dvcac (http://bit.ly/16Dvcac))
So I was wondering...
Are there any other places where either an Interstate, US Route, or other major highway passes though a state so briefly that the crossing isn't identified? And anywhere that one state DOT maintains a highway in another state for a similar reason?
And separately, (though this isn't the case in Sayre) are there any places where a freeway enters a state but it's not possible exit (legally) in that state?
The only one I could think of is I-95/495 at the Woodrow Wilson Bridge in Washington–which is really just a few hundred feet, I believe.
In during I-684.
After exiting the southern part of the state of Nevada Interstate 15 passes through a small part of northwestern Arizona before crossing into the state of Utah. Just a small towns with very low population in the Arizona portion. Funny thing is that after passing the town of Baker in California, Salt Lake City is already in the mileage signs. That is almost a whole day of driving.
https://www.aaroads.com/california/images015/i-015_nb_exit_259_03.jpg
I wonder why Caltrans doesn't add the state abbreviations at the end.
MN 23 runs through a short portion of Wisconsin south of Duluth that is maintained by the Minnesota DOT and the state line crossing is not noted on any signs.
US 52/119 (Corridor G) passes through Kentucky twice for less than a half mile each time north of Williamson and the "actual" border. Both are just signed with the type of sign WV uses for county lines, adding the state name in (Pike County Kentucky, Mingo County West Virginia), not the ordinary billboard like welcome signage, which is placed with the road enters Kentucky "for good" in Williamson itself. The road was built and is maintained by WV.
Since 52 separates from 119 before the "actual" border these two segments represent the entire length of US 52 in the commonwealth.
While they are signed with small markers, WV / VA 102 north of Bluefield leaves Virginia for less than 50 yards for WV, then about 500 yards down the road does this again. The middle section in Virginia formed by this connects to no other road (it would be impossible to leave one's home on that section of road and go anywhere in you home state without entering WV first.
The George Washington Memorial Parkway crosses from Virginia to DC (Columbia Island, on the "Virginia side" of the Potomac but part of DC) and back again. No signs are posted and I'd wager most people think the island is part of Virginia (also no signs are posted on the other roads that cross onto or from that island).
(Edited to fix a spelling error)
With DC being talked about, I think that most streets crossing from MD into our Nation's Capital are not signed. Maybe a couple of streets on the MD side have it marked with a Welcome sign for MD, but that is it. I do know that I-395 has no markings on the 14th Street Bridges.
I-78 at time of opening in 1990 at the Delaware River had no marking EB that you were entering NJ. At the actual state line, PennDOT had a small blue on white city/township entry sign you see at community borders letting motorists know that they are entering the City of Phillipsburg though. I recently checked GSV and it appears that New Jersey still has not marked it anyplace unless a sign further into the state is present just like on NJ 495 where the Welcome to NJ sign is located at the NJ 3 exit almost 3 miles from the Hudson River where the actual boundary is.
Quote from: roadman65 on June 28, 2013, 07:55:14 AM
With DC being talked about, I think that most streets crossing from MD into our Nation's Capital are not signed. Maybe a couple of streets on the MD side have it marked with a Welcome sign for MD, but that is it. I do know that I-395 has no markings on the 14th Street Bridges.
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Outbound I-395 has a Virginia welcome sign located between the carriageways. Inbound doesn't. Come to think of it, the DC welcome signs I recall on some other roads (Memorial Bridge and the Roosevelt Bridge) are long gone too and I can't think of any current DC welcome sign.
Quote from: jfs1988 on June 28, 2013, 03:28:35 AM
After exiting the southern part of the state of Nevada Interstate 15 passes through a small part of northwestern Arizona before crossing into the state of Utah. Just a small towns with very low population in the Arizona portion. Funny thing is that after passing the town of Baker in California, Salt Lake City is already in the mileage signs. That is almost a whole day of driving.
https://www.aaroads.com/california/images015/i-015_nb_exit_259_03.jpg
I wonder why Caltrans doesn't add the state abbreviations at the end.
Why should they? There isn't any ambiguity as to which Las Vegas they are referring to (no chance it's New Mexico). Colorado doesn't put other-state abbreviations on its interstate mileage signs, even for Las Vegas (NM).
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 28, 2013, 09:05:46 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 28, 2013, 07:55:14 AM
With DC being talked about, I think that most streets crossing from MD into our Nation's Capital are not signed. Maybe a couple of streets on the MD side have it marked with a Welcome sign for MD, but that is it. I do know that I-395 has no markings on the 14th Street Bridges.
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Outbound I-395 has a Virginia welcome sign located between the carriageways. Inbound doesn't. Come to think of it, the DC welcome signs I recall on some other roads (Memorial Bridge and the Roosevelt Bridge) are long gone too and I can't think of any current DC welcome sign.
I also caught on GSV that on Washington Boulevard at Boundary Channel, there is an outbound sign (small though, but one for sure) a Welcome to Virginia sign.
Quote from: roadman65 on June 28, 2013, 09:09:52 AM
I also caught on GSV that on Washington Boulevard at Boundary Channel, there is an outbound sign (small though, but one for sure) a Welcome to Virginia sign.
Correct, it's one of the old-style blue ones. I forgot about that one when I made my earlier post even though I pass it all the time. D'oh.
DC 295 entering from Maryland:
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=38.911639,-76.933351&spn=0.001018,0.005284&cbp=12,231.61,,1,3.85&layer=c&panoid=e0gB1U4Ysz1TuWabZjge5Q&cbll=38.910325,-76.935895&t=h&z=18
5-way intersection of Eastern Ave. NE, Sheriff Rd. NE and Division Ave NE:
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=38.903716,-76.921839&spn=0.002037,0.010568&cbp=12,228.15,,0,3.95&layer=c&panoid=6xJq4b7YnuQsmXJMZ76Fnw&cbll=38.903998,-76.923599&t=h&z=17
Nannie Helen Burroughs Ave. NE:
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=38.898373,-76.917354&spn=0.004509,0.010568&cbp=12,298.52,,0,4.11&layer=c&panoid=lfFVy2Ae7R1Z5R-im4jc6Q&cbll=38.89837,-76.917497&t=h&z=17
Southern Ave. and E. Capitol St.
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=38.88948,-76.913942&spn=0.002038,0.010568&cbp=12,307.79,,0,6.4&layer=c&panoid=TdmYB9eRSoxUXACkltIHmQ&cbll=38.889813,-76.912827&t=h&z=17
Southern Ave SE and Benning Rd. SE has this little sign, in addition to the wood and brick welcome sign if you pan to the right:
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=38.876092,-76.931055&spn=0.002038,0.010568&cbp=12,283.24,,0,7.26&layer=c&panoid=m76GnDI9mnz3DlZ5ERsclA&cbll=38.876091,-76.931056&t=h&z=17
Southern Ave SE and Pennsylvania Ave SE:
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=38.863704,-76.946536&spn=0.004511,0.010568&cbp=12,354.81,,0,14.89&layer=c&panoid=871jAX79XxGlzA5NLxE2-w&cbll=38.863655,-76.946417&t=h&z=17
From the Clara Barton Parkway:
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=38.936813,-77.108445&spn=0.018026,0.042272&cbp=12,155.42,,1,3.49&layer=c&panoid=k9cLvhvb5kDEaTCL5S7xRA&cbll=38.93689,-77.116719&t=h&z=15
Not quite the same, but in Newport, WA/Oldtown, ID, one side of the road is SR-41 the other is SH-41. So unless you know the difference you'd never know you'd crossed the state Line until you saw a reassurance marker.
Here's a shot looking north on a Dutchess County, NY Route. To the right is the beginning of CT 41. Other than the cement marker, no other reassurance signs that you're crossing from NY into CT.
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41.824197,-73.505316&spn=0.000064,0.042272&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=41.824276,-73.50533&panoid=BqHlt7dQFH412-YqaH6LuA&cbp=12,0,,0,0 (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41.824197,-73.505316&spn=0.000064,0.042272&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=41.824276,-73.50533&panoid=BqHlt7dQFH412-YqaH6LuA&cbp=12,0,,0,0)
"andrewkbrown," interesting stuff. Those all look brand-new. I am certain the one on Sheriff Road, in particular, was not there the most recent time I went that way (late one night on the way home from FedEx Field). Maybe they'll put up some more. They look a lot nicer than the ugly old signs they had during Marion Barry's years as mayor that said "Welcome to Washington–A Capital City" with his name underneath.
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 28, 2013, 09:16:47 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 28, 2013, 09:09:52 AM
I also caught on GSV that on Washington Boulevard at Boundary Channel, there is an outbound sign (small though, but one for sure) a Welcome to Virginia sign.
Correct, it's one of the old-style blue ones. I forgot about that one when I made my earlier post even though I pass it all the time. D'oh.
You're forgiven!
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 28, 2013, 09:05:46 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 28, 2013, 07:55:14 AM
With DC being talked about, I think that most streets crossing from MD into our Nation's Capital are not signed. Maybe a couple of streets on the MD side have it marked with a Welcome sign for MD, but that is it. I do know that I-395 has no markings on the 14th Street Bridges.
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Outbound I-395 has a Virginia welcome sign located between the carriageways. Inbound doesn't. Come to think of it, the DC welcome signs I recall on some other roads (Memorial Bridge and the Roosevelt Bridge) are long gone too and I can't think of any current DC welcome sign.
The National Park Service does not like to post state line signs on its motor roads.
Last time I drove it (quite a few years ago), there was no sign at the Virginia/North Carolina border on the Blue Ridge Parkway. There are no signs at all where the George Washington Memorial Parkway goes from Virginia onto Columbia Island (which is the District of Columbia), nor is there a sign on Memorial Drive where it crosses the line near the main entrance to Arlington Cemetery (remember that all of the Arlington Memorial Bridge, even the "Virginia" end, is in D.C.). No signs at the extreme south end of the Baltimore Washington Parkway (at the D.C./Maryland border - the D.C. side is DDOT-maintained New York Avenue, N.E., the Maryland side is the federal parkway).
Strangely, there are signs on the Clara Barton Parkway where it crosses the D.C/Maryland boundary.
Quote from: andrewkbrown on June 28, 2013, 09:35:46 AM
Southern Ave. and E. Capitol St.
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=38.88948,-76.913942&spn=0.002038,0.010568&cbp=12,307.79,,0,6.4&layer=c&panoid=TdmYB9eRSoxUXACkltIHmQ&cbll=38.889813,-76.912827&t=h&z=17
Southern Ave SE and Pennsylvania Ave SE:
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=38.863704,-76.946536&spn=0.004511,0.010568&cbp=12,354.81,,0,14.89&layer=c&panoid=871jAX79XxGlzA5NLxE2-w&cbll=38.863655,-76.946417&t=h&z=17
I believe both of these large Welcome to Washington signs were actually installed on the
Maryland side of the border.
Blue Ridge Pkwy has identified the state line at least the last several years...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vahighways.com%2Fva-ends%2Fva000%2Fva048_st_02.jpg&hash=6f73503eedaea16890a5919e7c68735b46c94d16)
Natchez Trace marks Tenn/Ala line - http://goo.gl/maps/AWyGO (http://goo.gl/maps/AWyGO)
also Miss/Ala line - http://goo.gl/maps/NOF9p (http://goo.gl/maps/NOF9p)
Yellowstone marks Montana line on US 89 north - http://goo.gl/maps/pYmhn (http://goo.gl/maps/pYmhn)
also on US 212 - http://goo.gl/maps/TSMD6 (http://goo.gl/maps/TSMD6)
West Yellowstone did not appear to be marked.
GMSV is terrible but I couldn't find anything on US 441 in GSMNP.
Mapmikey
Quote from: Mapmikey on June 28, 2013, 05:25:25 PM
GMSV is terrible but I couldn't find anything on US 441 in GSMNP.
It's there, or at least it used to be. Been there many times in my life.
US 191 north of West Yellowstone, MT is not signed where it enters Wyoming for 3 or 4 miles. It's under National Park Service jurisdiction so I guess they don't see a need to indicate it.
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=43.500678,-91.373721&spn=0.001226,0.002189&t=h&z=19&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=43.500678,-91.373721&panoid=wWtnwW3AxdI1dsfXhxwAlg&cbp=12,277.43,,0,21.46 (https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=43.500678,-91.373721&spn=0.001226,0.002189&t=h&z=19&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=43.500678,-91.373721&panoid=wWtnwW3AxdI1dsfXhxwAlg&cbp=12,277.43,,0,21.46)
Houston County identifies with a county road 2 shield, but nothing on Iowa's part. Smaller county roads in MN typically don't have a welcome sign; just a reassuring shield from the county.
Quote from: Mapmikey on June 28, 2013, 05:25:25 PM
Blue Ridge Pkwy has identified the state line at least the last several years...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vahighways.com%2Fva-ends%2Fva000%2Fva048_st_02.jpg&hash=6f73503eedaea16890a5919e7c68735b46c94d16)
Natchez Trace marks Tenn/Ala line - http://goo.gl/maps/AWyGO (http://goo.gl/maps/AWyGO)
also Miss/Ala line - http://goo.gl/maps/NOF9p (http://goo.gl/maps/NOF9p)
Yellowstone marks Montana line on US 89 north - http://goo.gl/maps/pYmhn (http://goo.gl/maps/pYmhn)
also on US 212 - http://goo.gl/maps/TSMD6 (http://goo.gl/maps/TSMD6)
West Yellowstone did not appear to be marked.
GMSV is terrible but I couldn't find anything on US 441 in GSMNP.
Mapmikey
When I drove the Blue Ridge Parkway back in 93, I saw a line drawn across it where the NC/ VA Border was. I have not been there since, but I see in the photo that it is gone. No surprise as its been 20 years, and things change nowadays overnight!
Quote from: NE2 on June 28, 2013, 01:34:08 AM
In during I-684.
Actually, there are small green signs which indicate you're entering and leaving Greenwich, CT on I-684, between Exits 2 and 3 in North Castle, NY (Westchester County).
Also, not far from there, NY Route 120A (King Street?) straddles the CT border a few times.
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on June 28, 2013, 09:37:20 PM
Actually, there are small green signs which indicate you're entering and leaving Greenwich, CT on I-684, between Exits 2 and 3 in North Castle, NY (Westchester County).
But there are no exits in Connecticut, so it answers the second question. This and 95/495 in DC are the only two places where an interstate highway enters a state or state equivalent but has no exits within that state.
Some non-interstate examples of a road barely clipping a state:
- PA 896 becomes MD 896 and shortly thereafter becomes DE 896. It is possible to get to MD 896 from the rest of Maryland without going through Pennsylvania or Delaware but only via local roads, so it's orphaned as far as the state highway network is concerned.
- US 340 passes through Virginia for less than a mile between West Virginia and Maryland. VA secondary 671 ends on it, so whether it is a state highway orphan depends on whether you count the secondaries.
- US 52 (and US 119 along with it) briefly enters Kentucky before hopping back into West Virginia from whence it came... twice! This by the way is a modern occurrence resulting from the road being widened and straightened, the original road did not enter Kentucky in either spot. In both places a short road provides an almost direct connection to KY 292. So, not quite orphaned, but still noteworthy.
QuoteAlso, not far from there, NY Route 120A (King Street?) straddles the CT border a few times.
Straddles the border for a while and fully enters Connecticut twice. There are no signs of any sort acknowledging this, so it is an answer to the original question.
Also, ME 113 enters New Hampshire twice. Three of the crossings are marked but one of them (the third one going north) is not.
Quote from: roadman65 on June 28, 2013, 09:18:18 PM
When I drove the Blue Ridge Parkway back in 93, I saw a line drawn across it where the NC/ VA Border was. I have not been there since, but I see in the photo that it is gone. No surprise as its been 20 years, and things change nowadays overnight!
I see a line in the photo...?
AB/BC 93 had no provincial entrance sign SB. Don't know about NB. Took me several minutes before I checked a map and saw I had to be deep into BC.
Quote from: huskeroadgeek on June 28, 2013, 03:39:17 AM
MN 23 runs through a short portion of Wisconsin south of Duluth that is maintained by the Minnesota DOT and the state line crossing is not noted on any signs.
looks like there's an old alignment just to the south of the current road. Wisconsin maintains the old road, but at the state line it becomes overgrown and you can just see two tracks continuing southwest into Minnesota.
Quote from: TEG24601 on June 28, 2013, 11:06:30 AM
Not quite the same, but in Newport, WA/Oldtown, ID, one side of the road is SR-41 the other is SH-41. So unless you know the difference you'd never know you'd crossed the state Line until you saw a reassurance marker.
I don't even want to know what the difference is between SH and SR. is it like Oregon's highways and routes? those make an ordinary clusterfuck look neatly planned out and organized.
as far as I know, there are no US-52 reassurance markers in Kentucky. there are, however, several trailblazers made to Kentucky specification (1961 spec shield, series B numbers).
I wonder if anyone ever made a KENTUCKY US 52 shield.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 01, 2013, 08:24:04 PM
Quote from: TEG24601 on June 28, 2013, 11:06:30 AM
Not quite the same, but in Newport, WA/Oldtown, ID, one side of the road is SR-41 the other is SH-41. So unless you know the difference you'd never know you'd crossed the state Line until you saw a reassurance marker.
I don't even want to know what the difference is between SH and SR. is it like Oregon's highways and routes? those make an ordinary clusterfuck look neatly planned out and organized.
Just two different states' terminologies. I've seen Ohio use "IR" for Interstates, whereas most sane states use "I-" and Texas uses "IH."
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on June 28, 2013, 09:37:20 PM
Also, not far from there, NY Route 120A (King Street?) straddles the CT border a few times.
There's one really large concrete pillar marked "CONN" on one side, and "NY" on the other. And a NY welcome sign...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F06%2FCT-NY-Marker-SR120A.jpg&hash=d0d42e65633b8644b1ca6556b2806e78a9217f16)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F06%2FWelcomeToNewYork-NY120As.jpg&hash=2bfc9476ab4a5ad0567261bd80b509abfbcbd0a8)
Although the north end dips back into NY then CT, back to NY, then CT, and finally back into NY for good...I think. It gets a bit ambiguous.
Quote from: Duke87 on June 28, 2013, 10:48:08 PM
- US 340 passes through Virginia for less than a mile between West Virginia and Maryland. VA secondary 671 ends on it, so whether it is a state highway orphan depends on whether you count the secondaries.
And one time when I was coming through there late at night, Virginia (or maybe the county the road is in) was running a DUI checkpoint on that stretch. They had someone standing at the state line making sure traffic didn't back into West Virginia.
What about WYO-70? It dips into Colorado for a mile or so, and signs only say "Entering/Leaving Wyoming."
Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 01, 2013, 08:27:48 PM
as far as I know, there are no US-52 reassurance markers in Kentucky.
Yes, there are, past the points where the KY 292 connectors intersect. They're done to WV standards and look to have been installed either by WV or by the WV contractor.
Quote from: roadman65 on June 28, 2013, 09:18:18 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on June 28, 2013, 05:25:25 PM
Blue Ridge Pkwy has identified the state line at least the last several years...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vahighways.com%2Fva-ends%2Fva000%2Fva048_st_02.jpg&hash=6f73503eedaea16890a5919e7c68735b46c94d16)
Natchez Trace marks Tenn/Ala line - http://goo.gl/maps/AWyGO (http://goo.gl/maps/AWyGO)
also Miss/Ala line - http://goo.gl/maps/NOF9p (http://goo.gl/maps/NOF9p)
Yellowstone marks Montana line on US 89 north - http://goo.gl/maps/pYmhn (http://goo.gl/maps/pYmhn)
also on US 212 - http://goo.gl/maps/TSMD6 (http://goo.gl/maps/TSMD6)
West Yellowstone did not appear to be marked.
GMSV is terrible but I couldn't find anything on US 441 in GSMNP.
Mapmikey
When I drove the Blue Ridge Parkway back in 93, I saw a line drawn across it where the NC/ VA Border was. I have not been there since, but I see in the photo that it is gone. No surprise as its been 20 years, and things change nowadays overnight!
Last time I drove the entire thing (Rockfish Gap to U.S. 441) was in Spring of 1995.
There might have been a (well-worn) line across the Parkway at the Va./N.C. border, but that was all.
Quote from: roadman65 on June 28, 2013, 07:55:14 AM
With DC being talked about, I think that most streets crossing from MD into our Nation's Capital are not signed. Maybe a couple of streets on the MD side have it marked with a Welcome sign for MD, but that is it.
holy crap kansas city
GW Bridge into NYC as I recall.
Not quite but from KY into IN there is no "Welcome to Indiana" sign per se. It's more like "The Indiana Highway Patrol reminds you: No littering, no speeding, no drinking and driving, etc...."
I'm not in favor of any of those things, mind you, but it would be nice to get a "Welcome To Indiana" along with the house rules.
There was a time when the eastbound Holland Tunnel marked the state line in tiles ("New Jersey", a line, "New York"). I don't know if it still does.
I don't know if it's still there, but for the movie Fools Rush In something similar for the Arizona/Nevada line was painted on what was then US 93.
Quote from: elsmere241 on July 01, 2013, 10:01:54 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on June 28, 2013, 10:48:08 PM
- US 340 passes through Virginia for less than a mile between West Virginia and Maryland. VA secondary 671 ends on it, so whether it is a state highway orphan depends on whether you count the secondaries.
And one time when I was coming through there late at night, Virginia (or maybe the county the road is in) was running a DUI checkpoint on that stretch. They had someone standing at the state line making sure traffic didn't back into West Virginia.
That would be a roundabout way of a VA lawman enforcing VA in WV if they allowed the roadblock to back up into WV. I can see that. Was there an alternative to let you know that you had another option or route to travel or were you forced into the roadblock?
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on July 16, 2013, 08:30:25 AM
Quote from: elsmere241 on July 01, 2013, 10:01:54 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on June 28, 2013, 10:48:08 PM
- US 340 passes through Virginia for less than a mile between West Virginia and Maryland. VA secondary 671 ends on it, so whether it is a state highway orphan depends on whether you count the secondaries.
And one time when I was coming through there late at night, Virginia (or maybe the county the road is in) was running a DUI checkpoint on that stretch. They had someone standing at the state line making sure traffic didn't back into West Virginia.
That would be a roundabout way of a VA lawman enforcing VA in WV if they allowed the roadblock to back up into WV. I can see that. Was there an alternative to let you know that you had another option or route to travel or were you forced into the roadblock?
There wasn't any sign showing why traffic was backed up to the state line - I just saw the guy standing there with the radio. The only way to avoid it at that point would have been to either turn around on US 340 and make a long detour, or abandon your car and walk across on the Appalachian Trail.
The traffic (probably coming from the racetrack/casino in Charles Town, WV, it was just after midnight Friday into Saturday) meant that they didn't check everyone's breath. They didn't check mine - not that I've ever had a drink in my life - but just told me what was up and gave me a pamphlet.
There are several small roads where the Québec/Ontario border is not marked in either direction except maybe by the towns' or counties' own welcome signage. Not even monuments (except one I've found along Glen Robertson Road).
Until the highway was upgraded to eight lanes a couple of years ago, the IL-WI state line was not marked on northbound I-(41)/94 between Chicago and Milwaukee. There was and still is a typical 'Welcome to Wisconsin' thing a bit north of it, but for many years, the sign closest to the actual line was a speed limit sign. OTOH, ID(i)OT has always had a sign on the southbound side at the state line there.
Image of the 'old' situation (pan around): http://goo.gl/maps/vRqng
Image of the 'new' situation (also pan around): http://goo.gl/maps/TvDy7
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on July 16, 2013, 11:25:33 AM
Until the highway was upgraded to eight lanes a couple of years ago, the IL-WI state line was not marked on northbound I-(41)/94 between Chicago and Milwaukee. There was and still is a typical 'Welcome to Wisconsin' thing a bit north of it, but for many years, the sign closest to the actual line was a speed limit sign. OTOH, ID(i)OT has always had a sign on the southbound side at the state line there.
Image of the 'old' situation (pan around): http://goo.gl/maps/vRqng
Image of the 'new' situation (also pan around): http://goo.gl/maps/TvDy7
Mike
I could tell where it was because of the 2-sided billboard directly on the state line. It was for the Illinois Lottery facing traffic entering Illinois and for the Wisconsin Lottery facing traffic entering Wisconsin.
Quote from: Big John on July 16, 2013, 12:34:28 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 16, 2013, 11:25:33 AM
Until the highway was upgraded to eight lanes a couple of years ago, the IL-WI state line was not marked on northbound I-(41)/94 between Chicago and Milwaukee. There was and still is a typical 'Welcome to Wisconsin' thing a bit north of it, but for many years, the sign closest to the actual line was a speed limit sign. OTOH, ID(i)OT has always had a sign on the southbound side at the state line there.
Image of the 'old' situation (pan around): http://goo.gl/maps/vRqng
Image of the 'new' situation (also pan around): http://goo.gl/maps/TvDy7
Mike
I could tell where it was because of the 2-sided billboard directly on the state line. It was for the Illinois Lottery facing traffic entering Illinois and for the Wisconsin Lottery facing traffic entering Wisconsin.
That lottery billboard is actually a couple of meters inside of Illinois.
Mike
There's no notation of the state line inside the Cumberland Gap Tunnel (US 25E) between Tennessee and Kentucky.
I also do not recall the state line being marked inside the East River Tunnel on I-77 between West Virginia and Virginia.
There is of course, reversely, on Interstate 84 where it crosses close to the Pennsylvania/New Jersey/New York tri point, and if headed east, the first exit in New York is for New Jersey State Highway 23.
When I drove E45/E60 or M93, the border between Austria and Germany was not marked. According to Google Maps it is, but I was watching out for it. The only reason I knew I had crossed into Germany was a change in the pavement, the different signage and change of name to M93.
Texarkana, TX/AR has many streets that cross State Line Dr. that do not label the state line. I guess it is implied since you crossed State Line Dr. But a few are, so whats up? I guess the same can be said with any bi-state town.
Doniphan Dr. crosses From El Paso, TX to Sunland Park, NM and back to Texas without a word. Same can be said about New Mexico State Highway 273, which spends its whole life in New Mexico except its southern most 2000 feet or so at it's intersection with US 85 which are in Texas, but there are no notations of this. There are no signs stating the line has been crossed nor any change in route. Apparently the Texas portion is Texas State Highway 273, but there is no signage, except the exit from northbout Paisano Dr. (US 85) says McNutt Rd. and has just a white square with 273 in it, not standard from the Texas way of BGS signing their state shields.
https://maps.google.com/?ll=31.799136,-106.535352&spn=0.0007,0.001525&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=31.799001,-106.535214&panoid=0Ce8Ib0uHPYaGwCNx9sWEg&cbp=12,356.6,,1,0.62
That is a new sign (Clearview!!!), but I remember an older, non standard one, but the shield was the same.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 16, 2013, 01:35:24 PM
Doniphan Dr. crosses From El Paso, TX to Sunland Park, NM and back to Texas without a word. Same can be said about New Mexico State Highway 273, which spends its whole life in New Mexico except its southern most 2000 feet or so at it's intersection with US 85 which are in Texas, but there are no notations of this. There are no signs stating the line has been crossed nor any change in route. Apparently the Texas portion is Texas State Highway 273, but there is no signage, except the exit from northbout Paisano Dr. (US 85) says McNutt Rd. and has just a white square with 273 in it, not standard from the Texas way of BGS signing their state shields.
The portion in Texas doesn't appear to be part of the state highway system (per se) per the Mapbook and the designation files (SH 273 is in the Panhandle). My guess is that it's simply signed as a convenience for those seeking NM 273, since technically it is a glorified exit ramp off US 85. Maybe TxDOT decided to denote it in a piss-poor manner as an homage to NMDOT's standard of awful signage. :)
Per GSV, though, there does appear to be a small "Welcome to Texas" sign though as the road curves, but nothing in the other direction except for the 0 mile marker and "City of Sunland Park" signs.
Quote from: kinupanda on July 16, 2013, 02:07:47 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 16, 2013, 01:35:24 PM
Doniphan Dr. crosses From El Paso, TX to Sunland Park, NM and back to Texas without a word. Same can be said about New Mexico State Highway 273, which spends its whole life in New Mexico except its southern most 2000 feet or so at it's intersection with US 85 which are in Texas, but there are no notations of this. There are no signs stating the line has been crossed nor any change in route. Apparently the Texas portion is Texas State Highway 273, but there is no signage, except the exit from northbout Paisano Dr. (US 85) says McNutt Rd. and has just a white square with 273 in it, not standard from the Texas way of BGS signing their state shields.
The portion in Texas doesn't appear to be part of the state highway system (per se) per the Mapbook and the designation files (SH 273 is in the Panhandle). My guess is that it's simply signed as a convenience for those seeking NM 273, since technically it is a glorified exit ramp off US 85. Maybe TxDOT decided to denote it in a piss-poor manner as an homage to NMDOT's standard of awful signage. :)
Per GSV, though, there does appear to be a small "Welcome to Texas" sign though as the road curves, but nothing in the other direction except for the 0 mile marker and "City of Sunland Park" signs.
Wow, that "Welcome to Texas" sign is somewhat new, because the last time I was there in 2010 it was not there.
As for the piss-poor manner of signing a NM State Highway, I agree, but judging also how TxDOT doesn't like to sign anything that exists outside it's state boundary, it might just be disdain on their part that they actually have to acknowledge something in New Mexico.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 02, 2013, 01:06:45 AM
Yes, there are, past the points where the KY 292 connectors intersect. They're done to WV standards and look to have been installed either by WV or by the WV contractor.
Everything on those tiny sections of Corridor G is WV standard. By interstate agreement the road was built, and is maintained, by WV DOH. The only role KY had in the deal was to acquire the right of way, which it did using WV money. I suppose a KY cop could write tickets there, but I have never seen one.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 16, 2013, 12:47:58 PM
I also do not recall the state line being marked inside the East River Tunnel on I-77 between West Virginia and Virginia.
It is marked, but its very hard to see. There is a small sign that looks like a typical mile post sign, mounted on the roof of the tunnel over the emergency walkway that reads:
W.Va.
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Va.
St.
Ln.
Quote from: kphoger on July 02, 2013, 06:33:30 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 28, 2013, 07:55:14 AM
With DC being talked about, I think that most streets crossing from MD into our Nation's Capital are not signed. Maybe a couple of streets on the MD side have it marked with a Welcome sign for MD, but that is it.
holy crap kansas city
You mean crossing State Line Road doesn't count as official notice you're crossing the state line?
Quote from: SP Cook on July 16, 2013, 05:46:28 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 02, 2013, 01:06:45 AM
Yes, there are, past the points where the KY 292 connectors intersect. They're done to WV standards and look to have been installed either by WV or by the WV contractor.
Everything on those tiny sections of Corridor G is WV standard. By interstate agreement the road was built, and is maintained, by WV DOH. The only role KY had in the deal was to acquire the right of way, which it did using WV money. I suppose a KY cop could write tickets there, but I have never seen one.
Rather like the Virginia end of the Woodrow Wilson Bridge. It is over Virginia territory, but contractors working for Maryland SHA built that part of the bridge to SHA standards. As with Kentucky and Corridor G, the only involvement that VDOT had was to deal with right-of-way purchases.
Quote from: SP Cook on July 16, 2013, 05:46:28 PM
Everything on those tiny sections of Corridor G is WV standard. By interstate agreement the road was built, and is maintained, by WV DOH. The only role KY had in the deal was to acquire the right of way, which it did using WV money. I suppose a KY cop could write tickets there, but I have never seen one.
I would assume so, since the land is still Kentucky jurisdiction.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 16, 2013, 12:47:58 PM
There's no notation of the state line inside the Cumberland Gap Tunnel (US 25E) between Tennessee and Kentucky.
I also do not recall the state line being marked inside the East River Tunnel on I-77 between West Virginia and Virginia.
Inside the tunnel, no. Wouldn't be space for that. There are, however, in both cases welcome signs for both states past the tunnel exit, so it doesn't count as unmarked.
I did encounter a legit unmarked crossing this weekend, though: US 6 at the OH/PA line does not have a welcome sign for either state. All it has is an intersection with State Line Road and a DO 6 mile marker 0.
Quote from: woodpusher on July 15, 2013, 11:04:05 PM
GW Bridge into NYC as I recall.
Signed. Lower level has cool circular signs as well: (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alpsroads.net%2Froads%2Fnj%2Fi-95%2Fny.jpg&hash=c658711492c2919c37fff80167b27037492193f8)
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on July 16, 2013, 05:52:07 PMYou mean crossing State Line Road doesn't count as official notice you're crossing the state line?
I am not sure it is generally true that a road called "State Line Road" in fact straddles the state line. In Kansas City this appears to be the case, but Calumet City, Illinois has a State Line Road which (if Google Maps can be believed) is offset from the actual state line by several house widths.
BTW, in the vicinity of El Paso, Texas and Sunland Park, New Mexico, the state line does not actually follow the current path of the Rio Grande and instead zigzags generally to the west of it, so that part of Sunland Park is actually on the Texas side of the river. The state line splits several subdivisions and in fact seems to run through several buildings--again, if Google Maps is rendering it correctly.
Quote from: J N Winkler on July 17, 2013, 02:16:21 AM
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on July 16, 2013, 05:52:07 PMYou mean crossing State Line Road doesn't count as official notice you're crossing the state line?
I am not sure it is generally true that a road called "State Line Road" in fact straddles the state line. In Kansas City this appears to be the case, but Calumet City, Illinois has a State Line Road which (if Google Maps can be believed) is offset from the actual state line by several house widths.
BTW, in the vicinity of El Paso, Texas and Sunland Park, New Mexico, the state line does not actually follow the current path of the Rio Grande and instead zigzags generally to the west of it, so that part of Sunland Park is actually on the Texas side of the river. The state line splits several subdivisions and in fact seems to run through several buildings--again, if Google Maps is rendering it correctly.
That state boundary (TX-NM) is based on the path of the Rio Grande in the mid-1800s. Since the channel has shifted many times since, the river and state line seldom concur. That results in the unmarked state line crossings in the valley north of El Paso, such as the small piece of NM-28 in Texas.
Quote from: J N Winkler on July 17, 2013, 02:16:21 AM
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on July 16, 2013, 05:52:07 PMYou mean crossing State Line Road doesn't count as official notice you're crossing the state line?
I am not sure it is generally true that a road called "State Line Road" in fact straddles the state line. In Kansas City this appears to be the case, but Calumet City, Illinois has a State Line Road which (if Google Maps can be believed) is offset from the actual state line by several house widths.
BTW, in the vicinity of El Paso, Texas and Sunland Park, New Mexico, the state line does not actually follow the current path of the Rio Grande and instead zigzags generally to the west of it, so that part of Sunland Park is actually on the Texas side of the river. The state line splits several subdivisions and in fact seems to run through several buildings--again, if Google Maps is rendering it correctly.
Yes, I do know this. I am aware of the rechanneling of the Rio Grande and the fight between Ciudad Juarez and El Paso about land that was "created" due to rechanneling, and the creation of the Chamizal Monument. That being said, at the point at Monument #2 where the US/Mexico border comes off the Rio Grande and beards due west, north of there is the only place New Mexico has a natural border. For about a half a mile the state line between Texas and New Mexico DOES in fact follow the Rio Grande until the state line wanders off to the west. At that small section that the state line is in the Rio Grande is where Mew Mexico State Highway 273 crosses the Rio Grande into Texas. Yes, I have eaten manny times at The State Line Bar B Que on Sunland Park Rd. in which the building straddles the state line, and I wasn't looking for the river under the foundation.
Quote from: SP Cook on July 16, 2013, 05:46:28 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 02, 2013, 01:06:45 AM
Yes, there are, past the points where the KY 292 connectors intersect. They're done to WV standards and look to have been installed either by WV or by the WV contractor.
Everything on those tiny sections of Corridor G is WV standard. By interstate agreement the road was built, and is maintained, by WV DOH. The only role KY had in the deal was to acquire the right of way, which it did using WV money. I suppose a KY cop could write tickets there, but I have never seen one.
And it's interesting that the speed limit is 55, not 65, in those short Kentucky segments.
The District 12 sign crew has stuck up a few signs, mostly for KY 292, on the Kentucky portions of that route. Or they had the last time I was up there; it's been a couple of years.
Quote from: J N Winkler on July 17, 2013, 02:16:21 AM
Quote from: The High Plains Traveler on July 16, 2013, 05:52:07 PMYou mean crossing State Line Road doesn't count as official notice you're crossing the state line?
I am not sure it is generally true that a road called "State Line Road" in fact straddles the state line. In Kansas City this appears to be the case, but Calumet City, Illinois has a State Line Road which (if Google Maps can be believed) is offset from the actual state line by several house widths.
I believe Google Maps is slightly off. State Line Avenue/Road is the state line between Illinois and Indiana. If you look at the Google Streetview of State Line Avenue and River Oaks Drive, you see both Indiana and Illinois styles of signals at the same intersection: https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=41.595218,-87.524053&spn=0.004293,0.010568&t=m&z=17&layer=c&cbll=41.59563,-87.525256&panoid=i7SHz3lCrEps0MQksBdZSg&cbp=12,188.52,,0,2.38
Quote from: woodpusher on July 15, 2013, 11:04:05 PMNot quite but from KY into IN there is no "Welcome to Indiana" sign per se. It's more like "The Indiana Highway Patrol reminds you: No littering, no speeding, no drinking and driving, etc...."
I'm not in favor of any of those things, mind you, but it would be nice to get a "Welcome To Indiana" along with the house rules.
Which bridge are you talking about at the IN/KY border? I know the I-65, I-64 (although this is harder to see because it's on the underside of the bridge, IIRC), I-275, US 31 and US 421 bridges all have "Welcome to Indiana" signs. US 41 in Evansville is also marked with a "Welcome to Indiana" sign, although that's past the bridge due to the quirk of the KY border being the North bank of the Ohio river when KY became a state as opposed to the actual course of the river now.
Quote from: elsmere241 on July 16, 2013, 07:56:23 AM
the movie Fools Rush In
Oh, good, I was worried I might lose my man card for admitting I like that movie. :happy:
The view one has on US Route 13 south, crossing from Marcus Hook, PA into Claymont, DE:
http://goo.gl/maps/LLPme
This neighbor-hood, along West Ridge Road, isn't all that far west of the same area. The only hint I see of the state line here is the pavement change:
http://goo.gl/maps/GHtQU
However, go a short distance west of these crossings on DE/PA Route 491 and the state line is a wee bit obvious:
http://goo.gl/maps/ueQPW :happy:
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on July 18, 2013, 08:10:59 PM
The view one has on US Route 13 south, crossing from Marcus Hook, PA into Claymont, DE:
http://goo.gl/maps/LLPme
This neighbor-hood, along West Ridge Road, isn't all that far west of the same area. The only hint I see of the state line here is the pavement change:
http://goo.gl/maps/GHtQU
However, go a short distance west of these crossings on DE/PA Route 491 and the state line is a wee bit obvious:
http://goo.gl/maps/ueQPW :happy:
In the same general area but further west on the line is another neighborhood where even a cul-de-sac is in Delaware with access only from PA: http://goo.gl/maps/8eKQ4 In that area, they have painted "DEL." on one side of the line and sometimes "PA" on the other, and the pavement changes.
Neato! I see one of those nice-looking homes is mostly in DE, but its driveway is in PA. Wonder which state serves them for taxes, sewer, etc.? :P
Quote from: PurdueBill on July 18, 2013, 09:05:38 PM
In the same general area but further west on the line is another neighborhood where even a cul-de-sac is in Delaware with access only from PA:
It's nearly the same case with a former art professor and friend of mine. (http://bit.ly/15Q7R6p (http://bit.ly/15Q7R6p)) His home is on Delaware soil, he has a Wilmington mailing address, Delaware plates on his cars, a Delaware driver's license, a 302 phone number... But he can only get to his house from Pennsylvania.
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on July 18, 2013, 09:13:52 PM
Neato! I see one of those nice-looking homes is mostly in DE, but its driveway is in PA. Wonder which state serves them for taxes, sewer, etc.? :P
There are three streets that run along the border between the District of Columbia and Maryland. Starting in the "far" Northwest quadrant they are Western Avenue (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=western+avenue,+n.w.,+washington+dc&hl=en&sll=38.804821,-77.236966&sspn=2.392779,4.938354&t=h&hnear=Western+Ave+NW,+Washington,+District+of+Columbia&z=14), then Eastern Avenue and finally Southern Avenue. They are not continuous, and in the case of Eastern Avenue (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=eastern+avenue,++washington+dc&hl=en&ll=38.925897,-76.963005&spn=0.074652,0.154324&sll=38.967076,-77.077625&sspn=0.037304,0.077162&t=h&hnear=Eastern+Ave,+Washington&z=13) and Southern Avenue (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Southern+Avenue+Southeast,+Washington+D.C.,+DC&hl=en&sll=38.85535,-76.957684&sspn=0.074726,0.154324&oq=Southern+Avenue+Northeast,+Washington+D.C.,+DC&t=h&hnear=Southern+Ave+SE,+Washington,+District+of+Columbia&z=13) they are not continuous either, but the official boundary is at the curb line on the Maryland side of the street (the entire street is D.C. jurisdiction). So if you live on the Maryland side of any of these streets, unless you are on a corner lot (or in some apartment complexes that have access from other streets), you have to drive through D.C. to get home, but you pay no taxes to municipal government of the District of Columbia.
Services are provided by the Maryland jurisdiction you reside in, but the street is maintained by D.C. Power is provided by the Potomac Electric Power Company (PEPCO) to residents on both sides of all three streets (PEPCO serves all of D.C. and some (but not all) of the D.C. suburbs in Maryland. Water service depends on what side of the street, but all of the sewers drain to D.C. (since the Maryland suburbs pay D.C. generously for sanitary sewer service - much of the Maryland suburbs - including areas far outside the Capital Beltway, not just along the D.C. border - has sewer pipes that connect to the D.C. sewer system). All fire hydrants are D.C. hydrants along these streets.
Parts of Eastern Avenue and Southern Avenue have been popular over the years with drug dealers and prostitutes who all know
exactly where that line runs for obvious reasons.
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on July 18, 2013, 08:10:59 PM
The view one has on US Route 13 south, crossing from Marcus Hook, PA into Claymont, DE:
http://goo.gl/maps/LLPme
This neighbor-hood, along West Ridge Road, isn't all that far west of the same area. The only hint I see of the state line here is the pavement change:
http://goo.gl/maps/GHtQU
However, go a short distance west of these crossings on DE/PA Route 491 and the state line is a wee bit obvious:
http://goo.gl/maps/ueQPW :happy:
Go farther south down West Ridge Road and you'll see Delaware state signs posted on either side. Not sure if they're actually on the line or not. Did not see any Pennsylvania signs looking the other way either.
https://maps.google.com/?ll=39.814651,-75.440929&spn=0.001568,0.003779&t=m&layer=c&cbll=39.814585,-75.441019&panoid=SvkXGIH6sNWSjQHV66O-jA&cbp=12,243.98,,1,5.26&z=19
Going by the color change in the pavement and the dashed line on the normal map, those signs lie just south of the state line itself. Thank you for catching that for me! :)
On US160 near the Four Corners, the only state marking is on EB 160 when crossing into Colorado, even though the highway runs in New Mexico for a short distance after leaving Arizona. I didn't think to look behind me and look at WB, but Google Maps shows NO state line markings going WB, the only signage is WB at the AZ/NM border where it says "Welcome to the Navajo Nation", nothing about Arizona.
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Which bridge are you talking about at the IN/KY border? I know the I-65, I-64 (although this is harder to see because it's on the underside of the bridge, IIRC), I-275, US 31 and US 421 bridges all have "Welcome to Indiana" signs. US 41 in Evansville is also marked with a "Welcome to Indiana" sign, although that's past the bridge due to the quirk of the KY border being the North bank of the Ohio river when KY became a state as opposed to the actual course of the river now.
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Dang, it's been years since I was there....maybe 20 years or more? Maybe they finally put up a welcome sign.
Driving home from Pennsylvania on Monday I noted how the crossing from West Virginia to Virginia on US-48/Route 55 (theoretically to be replaced by Corridor H someday) is marked by, first, a county line sign, second, a "RADAR DETECTORS ILLEGAL" sign, and only some distance after that (and around a curve, IIRC) by a "Welcome to Virginia" sign. Struck me as rather pathetic that they feel the need to post the detector law before you see the welcome sign.
K-7's northern terminus is at a Nebraska county road. There is no "Welcome to Nebraska" signage, just Kansas signage going the other way and an END K-7 marker.