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Title: Delaware Shields
Post by: Alex on July 02, 2013, 09:45:58 PM
Continuing the OT talk on Delaware signs...

Quote from: elsmere241 on July 02, 2013, 09:21:56 PM
I can remember there being plenty of DE 896 shields like that when I first moved to Newark in 1982.  I also remember seeing a few square state shields in Wilmington.

Have not seen that style for DE 896 in a long long time. Fortunately Michael Summa photographed one in 1976:

(https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/delaware200/us-301_de-896_nb_at_us-040_ms.jpg)

There was a square Delaware 2 on Union Street west of Pennsylvania Avenue until the early 90s and another for Delaware 48 on Jackson Street near 2nd Street until the late 80s.

A square for DE-300 was still around in 1994:

(https://www.aaroads.com/delaware/vidcaps/de-300_sb_at_de-042.jpg)
Title: Re: Delaware Shields
Post by: Alps on July 03, 2013, 08:33:40 PM
Now that this is its own discussion - what's the difference in age between DEL. 2/4 and DELAWARE 300? I never knew of DE using squares.
Title: Re: Delaware Shields
Post by: Alex on July 03, 2013, 08:59:19 PM
Quote from: Steve on July 03, 2013, 08:33:40 PM
Now that this is its own discussion - what's the difference in age between DEL. 2/4 and DELAWARE 300? I never knew of DE using squares.

Squares were the first shield design, followed by the DEL circle cutouts leading to today's standard circle.

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/DE/DE19267961i1.jpg)

Earliest shield design.

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/DE/DE19550071i1.jpg)

Used until 1964.

(//www.aaroads.com/shields/img/DE/DE19660092i1.jpg)

Used from 1964 to the 1970s.

Title: Re: Delaware Shields
Post by: Alps on July 03, 2013, 10:02:21 PM
One reason I find this chronology interesting is that NJ briefly had "N.J." state route shields, but by 1965 at the latest (shield on my wall) it went to neutered, so unlike what I'd thought, there's no overlap with DE.
Title: Re: Delaware Shields
Post by: Alex4897 on September 02, 2013, 03:15:04 PM
I'm a bit curious as to why Delaware would've needed a Sr. 796 shield in the first place.  The only #96 route in DE that ever existed is Sr. 896 to my knowledge.
Title: Re: Delaware Shields
Post by: NE2 on September 02, 2013, 04:59:40 PM
896 used to be 796 (I haven't seen any maps clearly showing it extending into Delaware, but the shield is pretty good evidence).
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FqhECt8n.png&hash=d99e047c109e95ba1eb999433b2519605fccc014)
ftp://ftp.dot.state.pa.us/public/pdf/BPR_pdf_files/Maps/Statewide/Historic_OTMs/1930fr.pdf
Title: Re: Delaware Shields
Post by: Alex on September 02, 2013, 05:01:21 PM
Quote from: Alex4897 on September 02, 2013, 03:15:04 PM
I'm a bit curious as to why Delaware would've needed a Sr. 796 shield in the first place.  The only #96 route in DE that ever existed is Sr. 896 to my knowledge.

Delaware 796 merely continued Pennsylvania 796 southward. PA 896 (http://www.pahighways.com/state/PA851-900.html#PA896) truncated PA 796 to where it ends now in 1936 (http://www.pahighways.com/state/PA751-800.html#PA796), so Delaware conformed and renumbered their stretch to 896.
Title: Re: Delaware Shields
Post by: Alex4897 on September 02, 2013, 06:16:29 PM
Quote from: Alex on September 02, 2013, 05:01:21 PM
Quote from: Alex4897 on September 02, 2013, 03:15:04 PM
I'm a bit curious as to why Delaware would've needed a Sr. 796 shield in the first place.  The only #96 route in DE that ever existed is Sr. 896 to my knowledge.

Delaware 796 merely continued Pennsylvania 796 southward. PA 896 (http://www.pahighways.com/state/PA851-900.html#PA896) truncated PA 796 to where it ends now in 1936 (http://www.pahighways.com/state/PA751-800.html#PA796), so Delaware conformed and renumbered their stretch to 896.

Ah ok.
Makes sense considering Delawares tendency to number things out of grid for the sake of continuity.
Title: Re: Delaware Shields
Post by: Alps on September 03, 2013, 12:23:17 AM
Quote from: Alex4897 on September 02, 2013, 06:16:29 PM
Quote from: Alex on September 02, 2013, 05:01:21 PM
Quote from: Alex4897 on September 02, 2013, 03:15:04 PM
I'm a bit curious as to why Delaware would've needed a Sr. 796 shield in the first place.  The only #96 route in DE that ever existed is Sr. 896 to my knowledge.

Delaware 796 merely continued Pennsylvania 796 southward. PA 896 (http://www.pahighways.com/state/PA851-900.html#PA896) truncated PA 796 to where it ends now in 1936 (http://www.pahighways.com/state/PA751-800.html#PA796), so Delaware conformed and renumbered their stretch to 896.

Ah ok.
Makes sense considering Delawares tendency to number things out of grid for the sake of continuity.
And yet oddly, so many numbers below 24 hit the border but were never renumbered.
Title: Re: Delaware Shields
Post by: Alex4897 on September 03, 2013, 06:50:41 AM
Quote from: Steve on September 03, 2013, 12:23:17 AM
Quote from: Alex4897 on September 02, 2013, 06:16:29 PM
Quote from: Alex on September 02, 2013, 05:01:21 PM
Quote from: Alex4897 on September 02, 2013, 03:15:04 PM
I'm a bit curious as to why Delaware would've needed a Sr. 796 shield in the first place.  The only #96 route in DE that ever existed is Sr. 896 to my knowledge.

Delaware 796 merely continued Pennsylvania 796 southward. PA 896 (http://www.pahighways.com/state/PA851-900.html#PA896) truncated PA 796 to where it ends now in 1936 (http://www.pahighways.com/state/PA751-800.html#PA796), so Delaware conformed and renumbered their stretch to 896.

Ah ok.
Makes sense considering Delawares tendency to number things out of grid for the sake of continuity.
And yet oddly, so many numbers below 24 hit the border but were never renumbered.

Anything in Kent and Sussex besides Rtes. 300, 16, 404, and 54 don't reflect their opposite aide counterparts.  Delaware was apparently only sporadically concerned about it...