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Title: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on September 20, 2014, 08:33:51 PM
What's with these NFL players getting into legal trouble lately? Surely if the trend keeps up, Roger Goodell may as well kiss his sorry little behind and his commissioner career goodbye. Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, Jerome Simpson, the list is endless. I'm getting quite sick of hearing about all this and hearing that Roger Goodell is not really adhering to his word. He talks the walk but doesn't f-ing WALK the walk. He either mans up or gets out. No more excuses, NFL!
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on September 20, 2014, 09:07:02 PM
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/league-of-denial/

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/football-high/

Guys have you seen League of Denial the PBS Frontline episode from 2013 showing how the NFL screwed their last scandal the Mental health issues of Ex- NFL Players.  and there was another episode called Football High but it was examining school districts role in this
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Brian556 on September 20, 2014, 09:18:09 PM
These players getting in trouble off the field is nothing new. It has been going on forever. There have been several Dallas Cowboys whom have been in trouble for drugs and other stuff.

These guys getting into trouble should be no surprise. Keep in mind where they come from, and that they are just continuing to act as they did before they had money.

My uncle brilliantly stated that this is the same concept described in the Brooks & Dunn song: "You can take the girl out of the honkytonk, but you can't take the honkytonk out of the girl."

What Ray Rice did was the worst of these incidents. He needs to be shot dead. How someone can punch his girlfriend, and knock her out, and drag her around is beyond belief. He is an uncivilized animal.

Also keep in mind that football is a way to make a lot of money, even if you don't have a lot of brains.

Yes, there are a lot of other players whom are no like this, and are really good guys. Allowing the thugs to play in the NFL, and paying them huge salaries that they do not deserve has really tarnished the league's image, in my opinion.

The higher paying your job is, the higher the responsibility that should come with it.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on September 20, 2014, 09:33:33 PM
The NFL is losing its ability to exist in an alternate reality.  All sports are, to some degree.  Donald Sterling gave the NBA a black eye too big to ignore.  Hockey players and now race car drivers get hauled into court for in-sport actions.  Baseball is finally being aggressive about PEDs after, oh, forever.   

It's easy to make life difficult for big, very public organizations.  Rabble-rousers can get the word out faster than ever.   These leagues are under more pressure than ever to cover their asses.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on September 20, 2014, 10:39:41 PM
http://www.thesportsfanjournal.com/columns/ed-the-sports-fan/the-lost-tapes-season-2-of-gamechangers/ (http://www.thesportsfanjournal.com/columns/ed-the-sports-fan/the-lost-tapes-season-2-of-gamechangers/)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playmakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playmakers)

Has Anybody heard of Playmakers on ESPN a decade ago. This series was supposed to be a "House of Cards" type show though. But ESPN was forced out of the series by the NFL. This is like the two Frontline Episodes about the NFL and School districts role in handling off field issues.

If Playmakers,and "League of Denial" Did not air on US Web Sites and TV. then I think the Accused players in the recent abuse scandals would have got away with the allegations. I don't think Ray Rice and other accused would have gotten the scrutiny we have today. I just think League of Denial made the Public more aware of Scandals the NFL is facing today. Also the TMZ Video of Ray Rice did amplify the scandal out of the Sports Talk outlets to the mainstream.

Adrian Peterson is still under investigation for a Child Abuse Scandal, the 49ers are still dealing with their own abuse scandal in San Jose, the Cardinals and the Panthers for similar charges.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on September 21, 2014, 12:53:35 AM
I just believe NFL needs a major ass overhaul, period. Had any of the policies Goodell said he and his staff are putting in place now were put into practice a long time ago, we wouldn't be on this site talking about Rice, Peterson, and company getting into all this hubub. But because Goodell, to me at least, is some rich hag, he lets some dink go scot free and everyone else pays the price even when they have no involvement. The NFL needs to clean their act up or it may as well go bye bye, which would suck for the good players having to find other careers if it went under, but that's what I forsee if the league doesn't take the lead on a lot of these PR issues that are tarnishing who they are.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 21, 2014, 11:48:07 AM
I wonder if these old articles from NBC sports and Chicago Tribune might be prophetic?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/12/espn-speculates-about-the-death-of-football/
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-04-24/news/ct-met-kass-0424-20130424_1_future-football-players-nfl-draft-the-nfl
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: nexus73 on September 21, 2014, 12:30:15 PM
If the bad actors are in jail they can't play. 

Rick
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on September 21, 2014, 05:15:56 PM
Remember the War Machine UFC Domestic Abuse Scandal back in August 2014? That was confined to HLN and TMZ due to low fanbase of this fighter.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: hbelkins on September 21, 2014, 08:50:56 PM
Let's say that H.B. Elkins slugs his wife in an elevator, she hits her head and goes unconscious, and he drags her out of the elevator by the hair.

Should Kentucky's secretary of transportation suspend him from his job? Should there be calls for the KYTC secretary's firing if he does not suspend him from his job?

What is the difference between Elkins/KYTC/Secretary Hancock and Rice/NFL/Commissioner Goodell?
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on September 21, 2014, 10:12:14 PM
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-terrell-suggs-fined-5512-by-nfl-for-wearing-gladiator-helmet-20140921,0,7514603.story (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-terrell-suggs-fined-5512-by-nfl-for-wearing-gladiator-helmet-20140921,0,7514603.story)

Check this out the NFL is more worried of a player (Yes its the Ravens Terrell Suggs) wearing a gladiator helmet and gets fined $5,000 for it but the NFL can't resolve their Domestic abuse and Child Abuse Scandals. No wonder Goodell NFL Board and Ravens team board are in the Toilet. :banghead: . :confused:



I see the Raiders wearing this type of stuff in Oakland

 
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on September 21, 2014, 11:16:34 PM

Let's say that H.B. Elkins slugs his wife in an elevator, she hits her head and goes unconscious, and he drags her out of the elevator by the hair.

Should Kentucky's secretary of transportation suspend him from his job? Should there be calls for the KYTC secretary's firing if he does not suspend him from his job?

What is the difference between Elkins/KYTC/Secretary Hancock and Rice/NFL/Commissioner Goodell?

Is there something you want to tell us?

What would have happened to Ray Lewis or Michael Vick if their respective scandals happened September 21, 2014?

Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on September 22, 2014, 10:24:01 AM
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/09/22/349928619/nfl-looks-to-training-to-prevent-domestic-violence-by-players

NPR did an interview with a Psychologist. The Expert had some evidence that its the parenting methods thats influencing the behaviors of the NFL Players and Adrian Peterson was used as an example in this case.

http://www.npr.org/2014/09/22/350524788/congress-uses-recent-controversies-to-attack-nfl-s-tax-exempt-status

Another one is the Tax Status thats at play here with the NFL.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: hbelkins on September 22, 2014, 11:12:48 AM

Let's say that H.B. Elkins slugs his wife in an elevator, she hits her head and goes unconscious, and he drags her out of the elevator by the hair.

Should Kentucky's secretary of transportation suspend him from his job? Should there be calls for the KYTC secretary's firing if he does not suspend him from his job?

What is the difference between Elkins/KYTC/Secretary Hancock and Rice/NFL/Commissioner Goodell?

Is there something you want to tell us?

LOL, uh no, this was just a hypothetical I came up with.

We have actually been told that if we have an away-from-work incident that does not interfere with our work duties, that it will have no effect upon our work status. Obviously, if a driver's license is required to hold a certain job and that person has their license suspended, they can't perform their job duties anymore and would likely lose their job. Now I would venture to guess that if someone got sentenced to a jail or prison term that's longer than their accumulated leave time, they'd have to resign, but an accusation of domestic violence theoretically would not affect a KYTC employee's job.

Should there be calls for the agency head to lose his job if the KYTC equivalent of Rice isn't suspended from his job?
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on September 22, 2014, 02:38:29 PM


Let's say that H.B. Elkins slugs his wife in an elevator, she hits her head and goes unconscious, and he drags her out of the elevator by the hair.

Should Kentucky's secretary of transportation suspend him from his job? Should there be calls for the KYTC secretary's firing if he does not suspend him from his job?

What is the difference between Elkins/KYTC/Secretary Hancock and Rice/NFL/Commissioner Goodell?

Is there something you want to tell us?

LOL, uh no, this was just a hypothetical I came up with.

We have actually been told that if we have an away-from-work incident that does not interfere with our work duties, that it will have no effect upon our work status. Obviously, if a driver's license is required to hold a certain job and that person has their license suspended, they can't perform their job duties anymore and would likely lose their job. Now I would venture to guess that if someone got sentenced to a jail or prison term that's longer than their accumulated leave time, they'd have to resign, but an accusation of domestic violence theoretically would not affect a KYTC employee's job.

Should there be calls for the agency head to lose his job if the KYTC equivalent of Rice isn't suspended from his job?

I would guess that the rules are different for public employees.  In the private sector, it could be argued that the actions of its employees affect public perception of the company and therefore its ability to do business competitively.  But I only play a lawyer on the internet, so who knows.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: The Nature Boy on September 22, 2014, 03:27:11 PM


Let's say that H.B. Elkins slugs his wife in an elevator, she hits her head and goes unconscious, and he drags her out of the elevator by the hair.

Should Kentucky's secretary of transportation suspend him from his job? Should there be calls for the KYTC secretary's firing if he does not suspend him from his job?

What is the difference between Elkins/KYTC/Secretary Hancock and Rice/NFL/Commissioner Goodell?

Is there something you want to tell us?

LOL, uh no, this was just a hypothetical I came up with.

We have actually been told that if we have an away-from-work incident that does not interfere with our work duties, that it will have no effect upon our work status. Obviously, if a driver's license is required to hold a certain job and that person has their license suspended, they can't perform their job duties anymore and would likely lose their job. Now I would venture to guess that if someone got sentenced to a jail or prison term that's longer than their accumulated leave time, they'd have to resign, but an accusation of domestic violence theoretically would not affect a KYTC employee's job.

Should there be calls for the agency head to lose his job if the KYTC equivalent of Rice isn't suspended from his job?

I would guess that the rules are different for public employees.  In the private sector, it could be argued that the actions of its employees affect public perception of the company and therefore its ability to do business competitively.  But I only play a lawyer on the internet, so who knows.

The difference between the KYTC and the NFL is that Ray Rice is a known figure associated with the Baltimore Ravens and his behavior affects public perception, which helps drive revenue. If some random office employee with the Ravens had slugged his wife in an elevator, he'd probably be fine.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: PHLBOS on September 22, 2014, 04:07:57 PM
Slightly modified hypothetical question (mods in bold red)

Let's say that H.B. Elkins slugs his wife then-fiancé in an elevator, she hits her head and goes unconscious, and he drags her out of the elevator by the hair.

Would said-fiancé ulitmately marry H.B. Elkins?

IMHO, that seems to be the one question that nobody (outside of either Dr. Phil or Judge Judy) would dare to ask Ray Rice's wife.  Given what happened (and I'm not condoning Ray Rice's actions here) plus the fact that the incident occurred prior to their marriage; why did she even marry him?  Was the money he was earning worth going through all that?
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on September 22, 2014, 06:18:22 PM
Money, rich boys with a bad attitude, a bad temper, and the NFL playing hackey-my-sackey with this scandal are bad concoctions of a brutal cocktail.

Hell no this was not worth the hell Rice's then-fiancé wanted to go through. She should have dumped the hag to begin with. Had she dumped him, we wouldn't be here discussing this, but, unfortunately, such is the world of the NFL where scandals breed more scandals where the deals are hot and the boys toys are dirt cheap to get with their multi-figure dollar contracts. It is unfortunate we have come to this realization.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Brian556 on September 22, 2014, 06:36:56 PM
quote from phlbos:
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why did she even marry him?

She's stupid as can be. Also, by marrying someone who does this to them, she, along with other women in her situation, as enabling their abusers.

Also, maybe in the world of low-class people, this is so common that the women don't even know that there are men out there who don't do this.
I just don't get it.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on September 22, 2014, 08:48:08 PM
Regardless, even stupid women have the right to not be hit.  There's a lot of senseless line-walking on this from so many people who should know it doesn't matter who she is, what she said, what she did, what her character was like—the only answer is, unless she came at him with a knife, the conversation is over before it starts. 

Ray Rice is a giant coward.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on September 23, 2014, 10:42:15 AM
Regardless, even stupid women have the right to not be hit.  There's a lot of senseless line-walking on this from so many people who should know it doesn't matter who she is, what she said, what she did, what her character was like—the only answer is, unless she came at him with a knife, the conversation is over before it starts. 

Ray Rice is a giant coward.

What about Adrian Peterson in the child abuse scandal. Somebody in Adrians Defense team claimed that the Viking's star was treated the same way (The beating by stick) as a kid by his parents how will this hold up in court. Or who gets the kid the state of Texas or the Mom. Ow Will this be about Adrian's mental health issues that s at play here.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 23, 2014, 01:37:35 PM
maybe the lesson is that you shouldn't run head-first into objects all the fucking time, starting at age 7.

it's not "NFL: what the Hell" - it's the much less euphonious "football culture in America: what the Hell".
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Henry on September 23, 2014, 01:45:51 PM
While I don't condone what Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson did, they deserve better than what they got. I realize that this is a very long shot, but they should get a second chance with another team. After all, their respective situations had nothing to do with any activity on the field, so this factor ought to be taken into consideration.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Zeffy on September 23, 2014, 02:00:04 PM
On the Adrian Peterson controversy, the thing people are failing to realize is that HE was brought up that way. If he did something wrong, he paid the price for it. I know that this is a type of punishment that has rapidly faded from the United States, but it probably kept him off the streets and doing other things. I don't want to be that guy, but I honestly think the fact that Ray Rice is an African American has something to do with how everyone is treating this. The common stereotype that everyone believes is that African Americans are more violent. I think that's a load of bullshit. If you lived in some of the conditions in some of the places some of these people did you would probably do what you had to do to survive as well. I'm not saying I condone any of the "thug" football players actions on and off the field, especially when it involves street gangs, but after looking at where some of the elite players (Richard Sherman, for example) have come from living as a child, you'd think people wouldn't throw race into the game for players' off-field (and on-field) actions. But, no, they do.

Back on the Ray Rice topic, hitting any woman, period, is unbelievable. I also like to note that he was placed in a program that fewer than 1% of New Jersey residents charged with domestic violence get that skirts around jail-time. What he did was honestly barbarian. The only reason I can think of why she married him was for the money - and to be fair - if you could marry someone like that who has that kind of money, would you forgive him? Most would. I don't think that he should get the "well don't do it again" treatment he is getting, but he deserves a second chance. Micheal Vick for example was extremely hated by MANY people (and still is) after his dogfighting incident. A lot of people think he should be dead or still in prison. If you look at what Mike Vick has done, he has learned his lesson. He has donated a large amount of money to many animal rights group in the world, he has served a prison sentence and he is a better man for it. A lot of people will criticize Mike Vick for actions he did in the past - and while we shouldn't forget them, we should also not look past what he has done in the future to correct his mistakes.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 23, 2014, 02:14:15 PM
hitting any woman, period, is unbelievable

but hitting a child is just fine? 
Title: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on September 23, 2014, 06:41:59 PM
Hitting people, shooting people, threatening people, intimidating people, raping people, fucking people when you are married to someone else, driving drunk, yelling at fans, destroying other people's property, hanging out with thugs and criminals, stealing your trophies from a collector, and many other things professional athletes do frequently are chicken-shit behavior that shouldn't be put up with from these overpaid hotshots by anybody, but in a nation full of complicit accessories, we all collectively let it go and keep cheering "go {color}."

If you think the NFL or the NCAA or any of the rest are soft on its criminals, stop watching, stop going, and let them know why.

Unfortunately, the fans are also chicken-shit, so the NFL, et al., have had it pretty easy up until now with being lazily reactive because very few people have the balls to walk the talk and turn off the game.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on September 23, 2014, 09:57:10 PM
http://www.npr.org/2014/09/23/350885700/nfls-domestic-abuse-scandal-upsets-big-sponsors

Another Article on Sponsors and the NFL.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Brian556 on September 24, 2014, 12:46:03 AM
quote from agentsteel53:
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it's not "NFL: what the Hell" - it's the much less euphonious "football culture in America: what the Hell".

I don't understand why football or sports in general or so popular.

I don't find them interesting. I especially can't see how people find baseball or basketball interesting. I cannot fathom why so many people devote so much time and effort towards such pointless endeavors.

Imagine how much could be accomplished with all the effort wasted swigging sticks at balls/throwing balls, ect.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: kkt on September 24, 2014, 02:31:52 AM
Let's say that H.B. Elkins slugs his wife in an elevator, she hits her head and goes unconscious, and he drags her out of the elevator by the hair.

Should Kentucky's secretary of transportation suspend him from his job? Should there be calls for the KYTC secretary's firing if he does not suspend him from his job?

What is the difference between Elkins/KYTC/Secretary Hancock and Rice/NFL/Commissioner Goodell?

Football players are public figures and the team's ability to make money is greatly reduced when the football players' actions reflect badly on their team.  That's the case with other public figures too:  movie stars, politicians, prominent CEOs.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: hbelkins on September 24, 2014, 02:30:12 PM
Given my position, it could probably be argued that I am a public figure as well.

A person in a position similar to mine in another part of the state had a wreck while drunk and crashed into a house. Termination procedures were initiated before the case was adjudicated (despite a valid driver's license not being a job requirement) despite a statement from our HR people that a non-work-related incident that didn't adversely affect the person's ability to hold the job would not be a cause for dismissal. She did not receive the paperwork about the impending termination until the deadline for filing an appeal had passed. She was, however, allowed to resign/retire.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: nexus73 on September 24, 2014, 02:43:14 PM
quote from agentsteel53:
Quote
it's not "NFL: what the Hell" - it's the much less euphonious "football culture in America: what the Hell".

I don't understand why football or sports in general or so popular.

I don't find them interesting. I especially can't see how people find baseball or basketball interesting. I cannot fathom why so many people devote so much time and effort towards such pointless endeavors.

Imagine how much could be accomplished with all the effort wasted swigging sticks at balls/throwing balls, ect.

Now say all that negativity about roads here, I dare ya'...LOL!

Sorry you can't see the deal in regards to sports.

Rick
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 24, 2014, 03:05:28 PM
I have nothing against baseball and basketball.  they are legitimate athletic endeavors.  football, like its more obvious cousin boxing, is assault and battery.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on September 25, 2014, 11:01:17 PM
http://news.radio-online.com/cgi-bin/rol.exe/headline_id=n29770

Now a Talk show host on ESPN has ranted on the NFL Abuse Scandals that has affected Goodell.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: SSOWorld on September 28, 2014, 09:18:56 PM
I have nothing against baseball and basketball.  they are legitimate athletic endeavors.  football, like its more obvious cousin boxing, is assault and battery.
and Hockey - "boxing on ice skates". ;)
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 28, 2014, 10:03:11 PM
and Hockey - "boxing on ice skates". ;)

Starring the Hanson brothers from the movie "Slap Shot". ;)
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on September 29, 2014, 11:13:25 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29372722

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29387243

Well BBC News did one for the UK audience showing a possible hypothesis that was originally seen on PBS Frontline "Football High"
Its the impact of Football on the School District level and on the College level on the "Student Athletes"
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on September 29, 2014, 11:32:58 AM

Bill Simmons speaks for the fans over the NFL incident on his talk show.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 29, 2014, 01:54:18 PM
Big money trying to protect its interests and attempting to obscure massive negative side effects of their revenue source.
It's an American tradition.

I love watching football, but I will make no excuses for the sport on any level.  Whether it's the massive taxpayer subsidies for stadiums or the effect of multiple blows to the head over the years or the outright exploitation of "athlete-students" for profit.  Dammit if it isn't the most entertaining sport there is.

On a related topic, last week's South Park tackled the controversy about the racist name of Washington's football team.  I'd recommend it to any football fan.
"Go Fund Yourself"
http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s18e01-go-fund-yourself (http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s18e01-go-fund-yourself)
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on September 30, 2014, 07:14:47 PM
hitting any woman, period, is unbelievable

but hitting a child is just fine?

Yet, our culture believes this is "acceptable"? Guess that answers my question on how much hope I've lost in our American sports culture these days.

I do not condone hitting women, NOR children at all. I was born not to hit women and kids. But, I guess that's not in some people's DNA. Wow. This is why our sports culture is an absolute joke to others. I'd rather be cheering on the Calgary Stampeders with former Montana Grizzlies great Dave Dickenson at the helm than to have to delve into this whole mess. NFL can just go the fuck away from me because I do not want anything to do with their putrid "football culture". Even looking at their logo makes me (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/blue-face/about-to-puke-smiley-emoticon.png)<--- want to vomit.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Alps on October 03, 2014, 01:15:48 AM
(http://americanfootballfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/nfl-logo.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on October 03, 2014, 02:58:15 AM
...that didn't go too well. (Damn it, Billy, you completely fell for it!)
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: ET21 on October 03, 2014, 03:21:43 PM
I just watch college football, NFL is becoming a soap opera  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on October 05, 2014, 08:26:03 PM


This explains it.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on October 06, 2014, 08:20:58 PM
Another Adrian Peterson discovery unearthed by the Internet news gurus through Facebook's "Trending" page:

Misusing funds from charity. I'll let you figure out the rest of the story.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on October 07, 2014, 10:24:39 AM
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Off-Duty-Officers-Response-to-Ray-McDonald-Case-Prompts-SJPD-to-Review-Policy-278308631.html


San Jose Police has a conflict of interest with the 49ers in regards of a domestic abuse scandal.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Brandon on October 07, 2014, 10:31:46 AM
I just watch college football, NFL is becoming a soap opera  :rolleyes:

Same here.  I find the college level much more fun, and I prefer the rivalries.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Zeffy on October 07, 2014, 10:37:01 AM
I just watch college football, NFL is becoming a soap opera  :rolleyes:

Same here.  I find the college level much more fun, and I prefer the rivalries.

I actually started watching college football because well, one NFL game or so per week (and that's assuming Philadelphia is even ON a channel over here, because the NFL is STUPID in this area) is kinda suckish, but I haven't really chosen a favorite team yet. I just kinda watch and observe, and it is better than the NFL because there aren't 24 flags thrown in the first half. I swear, some of the shit that is called versus what isn't called in the NFL is infuriating.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: roadman on October 07, 2014, 10:56:52 AM
Unless New England is in the playoffs or a critical game, I generally don't watch the NFL.  Too many idiotic and unnecessary rules (like the "pass interference" nonsense - isn't that the defender's job?)
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on October 07, 2014, 11:01:07 AM
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/weighing-health-costs-high-school-football/ (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/weighing-health-costs-high-school-football/)

PBS Newshour provides an update for High School football injuries and mental state. This was first seen on PBS Frontline "Football High" and "League of Denial"

Even High School Football has a scandal too and its in my backyard. A high school football star in Vacaville is shot dead at an apartment complex in Vacaville,CA. The NFL is not the only place where scandals have gotten  high scrutiny.
http://www.kcra.com/news/local-news/news-sacramento/man-found-inside-truck-with-gunshot-wounds-in-vacaville/28967326 (http://www.kcra.com/news/local-news/news-sacramento/man-found-inside-truck-with-gunshot-wounds-in-vacaville/28967326)


http://www.kcra.com/news/teen-shot-and-killed-in-vacaville/28981556

Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on October 07, 2014, 07:51:41 PM

Unless New England is in the playoffs or a critical game, I generally don't watch the NFL.  Too many idiotic and unnecessary rules (like the "pass interference" nonsense - isn't that the defender's job?)

Defensive pass interference prevents the defenders from simply knocking every receiver to the ground immediately, because scoring touchdowns sells beer and prevents soccer from occurring (back and forth with no payoff).

Offensive pass interference, on the other hand...

The more I watch the NFL, the more I wonder if more people become morbidly obese to make it in football, or if football simply provides a need that the already morbidly obese fill.  The players are just absurdly large these days.  I wonder what the diabetes rates are like in former football players. 
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Scott5114 on October 12, 2014, 08:38:41 PM
I would imagine a lot of this has its roots in the special treatment high school players get. Johnny has to maintain a C average to be eligible to play and they need him for the big game against Fairview, so Mr. Anderson gives him an extra day to turn in that homework or gives him a few marginal points on his test. This can happen either because Mr. Anderson legitimately likes the football team, or worse, the athletic department puts pressure on him to cut him slack. Worse still, in smaller towns even the police can act this way. In combination with the cliquishness of high school this can make student athletes begin to think they're untouchable.

As for punishing employees for stuff outside of work, I usually argue it shouldn't be done. But, if there is substantial proof that the employee is violent, it may be a good idea to terminate them for the sake of the other employees' safety. If a guy doesn't hesitate to do that to his SO he might to it to his boss or the lady in the next cubicle. Even if he can keep it under control the other employees might feel unsafe around him and that would make working with him difficult.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on October 12, 2014, 09:28:54 PM
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/12/vigil-to-be-held-in-show-of-support-for-victims-in-sayreville-hs-hazing-case/

High School football team in New Jersey is facing a Hazing Scandal.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on November 28, 2014, 09:06:43 PM
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/ray-rice-wins-appeal-nfl-suspension-lifted/


Update Ray Rice appeals the suspension by NFL.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on November 29, 2014, 05:08:40 PM
That doesn't surprise me. It just shows how fucked up the ass Goodell and his crew has become. Hey. Rice ain't the only one appealing his suspension. So will Adrian Peterson. I mean, that's what I hate about the National Football league. I fucking hate the fact that they look all gosh damn non-chalant on the field but then end up like a hood rat outside of the field. I'm sickened by how the NFL, the players union, the families represented by the players union uniquely justify and defend Ray's action's as if he didn't hit Janae Palmer in the elevator. Still, I don't care who threw the first strike. If you're going to act like the hood rats you are, Ray and Janae, then get the fuck away from each other and never see another day together in your lifetime! Holy crap! How fucking hard is that?!!!!!! Just fucking HOW???!!!!! HOW?!!!!!!! How in the flying crock of hell are we this hard headed and can't put two and two together and take a gosh damn hint at what we supposed to be doing RIGHT?!!!!!

Man. I'm sorry for blowing up like this. But c'mon now! Let's get serious and start doing some things right for once.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on November 30, 2014, 11:26:09 AM
Update NBC News did an interview with Ray Rice wife over the abuse scandal.


Here is the interview from NBC News.


http://www.today.com/news/ray-rice-wife-janay-speak-matt-lauer-today-exclusive-1D80324514
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: cpzilliacus on November 30, 2014, 12:04:13 PM
Update NBC News did an interview with Ray Rice wife over the abuse scandal.

Baltimore Sun: ESPN sells out on Rice interview; NBC says no concessions were made (http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/tv/z-on-tv-blog/bal-espn-sells-out-ray-janay-rice-interview-nbc-says-no-concessions-20141129-story.html)

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If NBC News is telling the truth in how it got the interview with Ray and Janay Rice, what a difference between NBC and ESPN.

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I swore I would never use journalism in the same sentence with ESPN again after the way it gave up all editorial control and any sense of journalistic integrity in getting LeBron James to announce his move to Miami in a shameless prime-time special in 2010, "The Decision."

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But even I didn't think the so-called leader in sports news would so easily and cheaply trade away any credibility it has to get an interview like this.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on December 01, 2014, 10:39:30 AM
http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/today-show-ray-rice-interview-1201366592/

Update Ray Rice Will Appear on NBC to talk about the Abuse Scandal.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on December 01, 2014, 11:57:16 AM
How lovely. (sarcasm) Anyways, the man has just been reinstated by the NFL, so he apparently won his appeal and will now return to the field. I don't know if he'll be back with any team, moreso I doubt he'll be back with the Ravens because of how they fucked this thing up, too.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on December 03, 2014, 10:33:18 AM
http://www.npr.org/2014/12/03/368143604/sports-commissioners-absent-from-senate-hearing-on-domestic-abuse

NPR News is reporting that Congress is conducting an investigation on how the NFL conducts abuse allegations.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: cjk374 on December 07, 2014, 01:04:03 PM
http://www.npr.org/2014/12/03/368143604/sports-commissioners-absent-from-senate-hearing-on-domestic-abuse

NPR News is reporting that Congress is conducting an investigation on how the NFL conducts abuse allegations.

Does congress have nothing better to do with their time than deal with the NFL?  I guess this means they have balanced the budget, have immigration under control, and now all 535 members think the same?  :verymad:  :pan:
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on December 07, 2014, 03:03:53 PM
http://www.npr.org/2014/12/03/368143604/sports-commissioners-absent-from-senate-hearing-on-domestic-abuse (http://www.npr.org/2014/12/03/368143604/sports-commissioners-absent-from-senate-hearing-on-domestic-abuse)

NPR News is reporting that Congress is conducting an investigation on how the NFL conducts abuse allegations.

Does congress have nothing better to do with their time than deal with the NFL?  I guess this means they have balanced the budget, have immigration under control, and now all 535 members think the same?  :verymad: :pan:


Well leave the political troll stuff to facebook.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on December 12, 2014, 10:36:56 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2014/12/10/roger-goodell-nfl-owners-personal-conduct-policy/20199033/

The NFL board passes the Personal conduct Policy in Response to the Ray Rice Scandal.
OK then.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on December 12, 2014, 01:57:22 PM
Except the union, perhaps rightly so, is complaining they never even got a glance at the policy until it was made public.

Unfortunately the NFL is still stuck in reactive mode, and it seems to keep acting in haste to cover itself rather than show thoughtful concern about the problems it has historically ignored. 

The NFL looks like an organization rushing to figure out how to look sincere.  A better start would have been to be sincere. 

Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 12, 2014, 02:11:04 PM
The NFL looks like an organization rushing to figure out how to look sincere.  A better start would have been to be sincere. 

I wonder how many people that normally watch football or go to the games have not done so because they agree with the players union. 

I imagine that number is close to zero.

And for that reason, they don't need to look sincere or do the absolute right thing.  If the fans didn't show up at a game in protest, then the NFL may get the message.  If the players refused to take the field in protest, the NFL may get the message.  But the likelihood of either of those things occurring is also close to zero.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on December 12, 2014, 02:33:42 PM

The NFL looks like an organization rushing to figure out how to look sincere.  A better start would have been to be sincere. 

I wonder how many people that normally watch football or go to the games have not done so because they agree with the players union. 

I imagine that number is close to zero.

And for that reason, they don't need to look sincere or do the absolute right thing.  If the fans didn't show up at a game in protest, then the NFL may get the message.  If the players refused to take the field in protest, the NFL may get the message.  But the likelihood of either of those things occurring is also close to zero.

This is all true.  This is why the NFL's response is so confused—it can't figure out the dollar amount not responding will cost, because it's still raking in money.  Only when bad PR costs it sponsors does it start jerking awkwardly into damage control.

The players don't stand out as shining stars here, either.  Funny they made a statement about Ferguson on the field, but there's no don't-beat-women Kodak moment.

The clear public message from all involved (Congress, too) is "We truly care—because we've calculated that we have to.  Please let us know when we have cared enough."

Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 12, 2014, 07:04:09 PM
The NFL looks like an organization rushing to figure out how to look sincere.

Those TV commercials aren't helping.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on December 12, 2014, 07:19:24 PM
On the subject of how the NFL does worry about its fan base/future, the Frontline about the NFL's avoidance of the head-injury issue featured a medical examiner that years ago brought evidence to the NFL and was told "If 10% of mothers get it into their heads that football is not safe, it will lead to the end of the NFL."

Fast-forward to 2014, and the NFL is holding clinics directly marketed to mothers, having them participate in drills that teach moms that football is full of safety. 

This is a big-splash entertainment organization not possessed of a lot of grace and subtlety.   

Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on December 12, 2014, 09:22:00 PM
I just think this is too far too late. The NFL, the Baltimore Ravens, and the Players Association really screwed everything up excluding Ngata's failed drug test results. Goodell has to go. He has to leave the NFL, I don't care what means are necessary to do so. His presence in this organization and the manner of how the Peterson and Rice investigations were conducted just made things so much worse than Pete Roselle letting football be played after the assassination of one of the Kennedy's. So they pass this conduct policy through. Okay. Fine. Great. Bravo. Cupri curpi! Now that this happened, let me tell you how this will go. This new policy will not work! If you hand them six game-suspensions, they'll just turn the fuck back around and do the same damn thing over again. It's not just magically going to reform these football players like Rice or Peterson into being good citizens again the instance this passes through the interwebs of the NFL. No. Pete from Boston hit it right smack on the head. The National Football League is appearing to be sincere when I know they are not. Look at what happened with NCAA and Penn State officials when the Paterno case reared its ugly head. This is the kind of culture we have when we think that things like hitting a man is okay, but hitting a woman lands you in jail.

I just flat out don't care about the NFL and for as long as I live, I never will. I never will buy an NFL ticket, even if it is cheap, never watch an NFL game nor listen to an NFL game. I've had this same problem with NASCAR, albeit the issues they're having are much more moot than the ones the NFL are dealing with, and with all the crap happening there and all the negativity going on there, I dropped it completely. I'm doing the same the NFL. I just do not, have not, and will not care for the National Football League because they don't have enough care in their one finger that I have in my body. Let the NFL go off into obscurity, obsolescence, and never show the good it once had because it was long gone after the days of Marino, Montana, Elway, Farve, Ray Lewis, Joe Theisman, and Joe Gibbs for that matter.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on December 13, 2014, 01:02:54 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24884058/what-you-should-know-about-adrian-petersons-suspension-nfl-future




http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/vikings/2014/12/12/adrian-peterson-appeal-denied-suspension-upheld/20321311/




Adrian Peterson appeal has been denied. Woah this is right after new Rules has been implemented. Please prove this ain't window dressing,
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on December 14, 2014, 08:45:41 PM
I just think this is a blatant attempt to cover up a lot of touchy issues by the National Football League. Just like the news about Jay Gruden wanting RG3 ousted because of outside AND on-the-field issues that have no relationship to one another. Little by little over the last few months since Ray Rice's incident with his then-wife, my total respect for the NFL waned. Now there is a tremendous decline of respect of the NFL from me because of how these issues were handled. People wanted Peterson back, but NFL says eff off, no one gives a shit about his records, just this one thing that he's blatantly painted this bleak picture of a bad father. Okay. Fuck that. The dude made a mistake not knowing how wrong it was to hurt his son with the stick. But that doesn't mean you write off any livelihood Peterson has left and burn them up. His wife wants Adrian to have visitation rights because of how much he cares about his son. Obviously when he gets to be 18 or so, I'm sure he don't wanna repeat the thing his daddy did to him. I mean, c'mon NFL. Let the dude back with Minnesota! Let him come back to the purple and gold! Fans miss him! He's been gone since the start of this NFL season. Let the dude back to the Vikings, gosh damn it, or you will definitely lose all respect I have remaining. I only have but a sliver of respect left for Roger Goodell, the Players Association, and the investigating parties involved in both the Rice and Peterson cases. As I've stated before, I just do not, have not, and will not care for the National Football League because, as I've said before, and point out once again, they don't have enough care in their one finger that I have in my body. They need to buckle down and start being PROACTIVE instead of REACTIVE. There are immense differences between being proactive before something happens rather than being reactive after something happened. But, you know, the so-called "window dressing" that bing points out has been the thing the NFL has been known to have done with addressing head injuries, drug policies, sportsmanship/conduct initiatives, and yet, the NFL has not been proactive in what we expect them to be proactive about. I don't know guys, none of this shit's making diddly dick lick of sense to me.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on December 17, 2014, 11:31:10 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/17/report-police-search-ray-mcdonalds-house/

Ray Mcdonald of the 49ers investigated in an abuse scandal today.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on December 18, 2014, 12:29:38 AM
You guys can take this topic from here and do whatever with it. I can't see myself continuing discussing what the hell is happening in the NFL. I'm so pissed off. It pains me to say this, but the way I see it, the NFL's dead to me, it has no importance to me, it's not a sport I will follow for the remainder of my lifetime. I'm sorry. But this just irks me more than you can ever imagine.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bugo on December 18, 2014, 04:05:08 AM
Peterson spanked his kids. Big fucking deal. I got my ass beat when I was a kid using belts, switches, paddles, sticks, and other various objects. Now they call it "child abuse". It's gotten ridiculous.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Zeffy on December 18, 2014, 08:35:03 AM
Peterson spanked his kids. Big fucking deal. I got my ass beat when I was a kid using belts, switches, paddles, sticks, and other various objects. Now they call it "child abuse". It's gotten ridiculous.

Peterson also did it because his kid was doing some things that could lead to him turning into a thug down the road. There is nothing wrong with keeping your child in line, and sometimes the best way to prevent something is to beat the shit out of them so they know what will happen if they try it again. Luckily, I didn't face this problem when I was younger..
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Alps on December 18, 2014, 11:59:15 PM
Peterson spanked his kids. Big fucking deal. I got my ass beat when I was a kid using belts, switches, paddles, sticks, and other various objects. Now they call it "child abuse". It's gotten ridiculous.
Agreed. I've heard the Vikings want to bring him back next year. Good on them. Punching your wife is a fuckton different than hitting your kid with a switch. I never had a problem with AP.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 19, 2014, 01:11:35 AM
Peterson spanked his kids. Big fucking deal. I got my ass beat when I was a kid using belts, switches, paddles, sticks, and other various objects. Now they call it "child abuse". It's gotten ridiculous.

There is nothing wrong with keeping your child in line, and sometimes the best way to prevent something is to beat the shit out of them so they know what will happen if they try it again.

Agreed. I've heard the Vikings want to bring him back next year. Good on them. Punching your wife is a fuckton different than hitting your kid with a switch. I never had a problem with AP.

"My daddy molested me, and I turned out fine!  I don't see what the big deal is!"

That's what you child beating apologists sound like.  You people disgust me.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bugo on December 19, 2014, 07:13:30 AM
Peterson spanked his kids. Big fucking deal. I got my ass beat when I was a kid using belts, switches, paddles, sticks, and other various objects. Now they call it "child abuse". It's gotten ridiculous.

There is nothing wrong with keeping your child in line, and sometimes the best way to prevent something is to beat the shit out of them so they know what will happen if they try it again.

Agreed. I've heard the Vikings want to bring him back next year. Good on them. Punching your wife is a fuckton different than hitting your kid with a switch. I never had a problem with AP.

"My daddy molested me, and I turned out fine!  I don't see what the big deal is!"

That's what you child beating apologists sound like.  You people disgust me.

There's a big difference between getting a spanking and getting fucked in the ass.

Some kids need to be spanked. That's the only way to get through to them.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 19, 2014, 11:38:45 AM
Some kids need better parents who know how to discipline without resorting to outbursts of violence.

You don't beat a 4 year old child with a stick as punishment unless you are sick in the head.
Time to end this cycle.  Everyone who justifies this stuff sounds exactly like a victim of abuse. "I deserved it."  "I don't blame my parent(s)."  "It was my fault."

Replace "spanking" with "nighttime diddling" and it's the same argument.  It is carrying the abuse forward another generation.

Everyone who was spanked or slapped or some other type of physical punishment:  It's not your fault, you didn't deserve it and your parent or guardian didn't know any better because all they had to go on was how they were treated as a child.  Ask the opinion of any child psychologist and they will tell you, no way should you hit your children.  This is so well documented it's shocking parents still beat their children with objects like AP did.
Children don't learn the lesson you think they do.  They learn that daddy or mommy or grandpa or whatever is capable of violent angry outbursts and non-violent problems can be "solved" with violence.  But what do they know?  They're only "experts".  I'm sure everyone's frustrated grandpappy knows better then people who study this thing for a living.  Sure enough, look at all the people lining up online, on TV, everywhere, to defend a man who beat his preschool aged child so severely, he had to go the hospital.
Awful.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Alps on December 19, 2014, 05:00:06 PM
I hereby register my strong disagreement with 3mx. This is what led to the "entitlement generation" of millennials who need constant reassurance to stay on track, because they don't know how to make their own decisions.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bugo on December 19, 2014, 09:08:02 PM
I hereby register my strong disagreement with 3mx. This is what led to the "entitlement generation" of millennials who need constant reassurance to stay on track, because they don't know how to make their own decisions.

+1

I got spanked as a child, but not very often because I knew if I got out of line what would happen.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: cjk374 on December 19, 2014, 09:29:23 PM
Some kids need better parents who know how to discipline without resorting to outbursts of violence.

You don't beat a 4 year old child with a stick as punishment unless you are sick in the head.
Time to end this cycle.  Everyone who justifies this stuff sounds exactly like a victim of abuse. "I deserved it."  "I don't blame my parent(s)."  "It was my fault."

Replace "spanking" with "nighttime diddling" and it's the same argument.  It is carrying the abuse forward another generation.

Everyone who was spanked or slapped or some other type of physical punishment:  It's not your fault, you didn't deserve it and your parent or guardian didn't know any better because all they had to go on was how they were treated as a child.  Ask the opinion of any child psychologist and they will tell you, no way should you hit your children.  This is so well documented it's shocking parents still beat their children with objects like AP did.
Children don't learn the lesson you think they do.  They learn that daddy or mommy or grandpa or whatever is capable of violent angry outbursts and non-violent problems can be "solved" with violence.  But what do they know?  They're only "experts".  I'm sure everyone's frustrated grandpappy knows better then people who study this thing for a living.  Sure enough, look at all the people lining up online, on TV, everywhere, to defend a man who beat his preschool aged child so severely, he had to go the hospital.
Awful.

Sounds to me like you didn't get enough spankings and punishment growing up...or are you still growing up?  :hmmm:

Please tell me you weren't given "time outs".   :angry:
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bandit957 on December 19, 2014, 09:33:19 PM
The "entitlement generation" was caused when George H.W. Bush pardoned the traitors involved in the Iran-Contra scandal. That taught America's young people that there were no consequences for doing wrong.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on December 20, 2014, 02:05:20 PM

The "entitlement generation" was caused when Jimmy Carter pardoned the traitors involved in dodging the draft. That taught America's young people that there were no consequences for doing wrong.

The "entitlement generation" was caused when Andrew Johnson pardoned the traitors involved in seceding and fighting against the Union. That taught America's young people that there were no consequences for doing wrong.

FTFY.  How far back do you care to keep this up?
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: english si on December 20, 2014, 02:54:54 PM
This is what led to the "entitlement generation" of millennials who need constant reassurance to stay on track, because they don't know how to make their own decisions.
Millennials are all 14 and over (save those born in the last 10 days of 1999). None of them are 4.

While some have made it about spanking, this isn't about spanking - it's about taking spanking way too far, and even more so, either not being aware or not caring that serious damage was being done to the poor lad.

Using a stick and breaking the skin once then stopping is troubling excessive force, but to carry on hitting the poor lad after breaking the skin is far more worrying.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 22, 2014, 03:09:01 PM
I hereby register my strong disagreement with 3mx. This is what led to the "entitlement generation" of millennials who need constant reassurance to stay on track, because they don't know how to make their own decisions.

Oh please, that's not even a real thing.  Just some "kids these days" ramblings by old people not based in reality.  And to blame it on a lack of corporeal punishment is a complete fantasy.  That is such bullcrap and you have to know that.

Quote from: cjk374
Sounds to me like you didn't get enough spankings and punishment growing up...or are you still growing up?  :hmmm:
Please tell me you weren't given "time outs". 

I could take that as an insult directed at my mother if chose to.
My own upbringing is irrelevant.  So is everyone's anecdote.  What matters is aggregate outcomes.

Study this issue scientifically and we find out that children who are physically punished are more aggressive, more likely to get in trouble later in life and more likely to have emotional problems into adulthood.  Most importantly, it's the number one predictor for whether or not a parent uses corporal punishment.  This means we are passing this punitive, aggressive behavior to subsequent generations.

People's gut feelings about this issue are not supported by data.  So to continue to support this barbaric practice is to deny reality and unnecessarily inflict harm on defenseless children, even if they are being miserable little shits.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Alps on December 23, 2014, 06:31:54 PM
I hereby register my strong disagreement with 3mx. This is what led to the "entitlement generation" of millennials who need constant reassurance to stay on track, because they don't know how to make their own decisions.

Oh please, that's not even a real thing.  Just some "kids these days" ramblings by old people not based in reality.  And to blame it on a lack of corporeal punishment is a complete fantasy.  That is such bullcrap and you have to know that.

Quote from: cjk374
Sounds to me like you didn't get enough spankings and punishment growing up...or are you still growing up?  :hmmm:
Please tell me you weren't given "time outs". 

I could take that as an insult directed at my mother if chose to.
My own upbringing is irrelevant.  So is everyone's anecdote.  What matters is aggregate outcomes.

Study this issue scientifically and we find out that children who are physically punished are more aggressive, more likely to get in trouble later in life and more likely to have emotional problems into adulthood.  Most importantly, it's the number one predictor for whether or not a parent uses corporal punishment.  This means we are passing this punitive, aggressive behavior to subsequent generations.

People's gut feelings about this issue are not supported by data.  So to continue to support this barbaric practice is to deny reality and unnecessarily inflict harm on defenseless children, even if they are being miserable little shits.
You cite data. Show us this data. You strike me as someone self-righteous because you believe everything about your way is the best.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on December 23, 2014, 09:41:34 PM
triplemultiplex, here's my issue with your quote, with what I said in this topic had been in fact backed up by the articles people have linked in their responses. I even made mention about the money issues with Adrian Peterson and provided a link thereof. So what I've said in all of my responses seems to you that I was just only responding out of gut feeling and not of fact. Well, I was responding out of fact backing up some of the people who provided the material. And I am in agreement with Alps. Your response to cjk to me was out of selfishness and because you believe everything about your way is best, that doesn't set well and up until this point, I had been nothing but civil and on point about this topic until you had to go on your little diatribe with cjk. I'm not a fan of this "entitlement generation" per se because I'm not that retarded in thinking that way. I'm quite the opposite. I work for what I want. I work my butt off not for my adoration or self satisfaction, but to ensure that what I do and the product I provide them is sufficient and that it meets their needs. You had just proven to me and to Alps this very fact about how self absorbed you are, self entitled to opinion, and self righteous. I'm going to get a bunch of flack for this response, I'm sure of it, but mark my words, triplemutliplex. Mark them. You need to take a hard look at yourself before you engage in any form of public discussion on the internet.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: cpzilliacus on December 26, 2014, 06:23:50 PM
The New Republic: Americans Showed in 2014 They Don't Care How Awful the NFL Is (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120638/why-nfl-and-roger-goodell-survived-ray-rice-fiasco-intact)

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Just a few months ago, the "worst year in sports" was almost assuredly Roger Goodell's to lose. The NFL's commissioner, largely viewed as the tinpot dictator of a league that raked in about $9 billion last year, earned the ignominy after he'd issued two tone-deaf player punishments: the exceedingly harsh full-year suspension for Josh Gordon's ever-so-barely positive marijuana test, and the meager penalty for Ray Rice having KO'd his fiancée in a casino elevator. The Solomonic commissioner watched security video of the 212-pound Baltimore running back lugging Janay Palmer's limp body out of an elevator, then he decided to halve the punishment he gave to Gordon for going one toke over the line, then he split it again, and a third time: Rice was to rest for two games to begin the NFL season.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Stephane Dumas on December 27, 2014, 02:54:41 PM
The New Republic: Americans Showed in 2014 They Don't Care How Awful the NFL Is (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120638/why-nfl-and-roger-goodell-survived-ray-rice-fiasco-intact)

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Just a few months ago, the "worst year in sports" was almost assuredly Roger Goodell's to lose. The NFL's commissioner, largely viewed as the tinpot dictator of a league that raked in about $9 billion last year, earned the ignominy after he'd issued two tone-deaf player punishments: the exceedingly harsh full-year suspension for Josh Gordon's ever-so-barely positive marijuana test, and the meager penalty for Ray Rice having KO'd his fiancée in a casino elevator. The Solomonic commissioner watched security video of the 212-pound Baltimore running back lugging Janay Palmer's limp body out of an elevator, then he decided to halve the punishment he gave to Gordon for going one toke over the line, then he split it again, and a third time: Rice was to rest for two games to begin the NFL season.

That reminds me of these various articles about the death of the NFL
http://www.forbes.com/sites/leighsteinberg/2013/02/24/the-death-of-the-nfl/
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/72781168/can-anything-kill-the-nfl-concussions-competing-league-oversaturation
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/17423602/death-of-football-thats-crazy-until-you-start-thinking-about-it
and some threads on City-Data
http://www.city-data.com/forum/pro-football/1569988-you-can-hear-whispers-nfls-death.html

It's like almost a self-fulfilling prophecy...

Let's imagine the following scenario about what if the NFL goes in decline? Will some healthly teams quit the NFL to create their own league or defect to the CFL? (this one is far-fetched but who knows?)

 And I saw on Youtube a politically incorrect clip showing Ray Rice with a parody of Charli XCX's song "Boom! Clap!" but I decided not to post the clip on AARoads forum.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 27, 2014, 06:56:36 PM
My catholic school nun principal did worse to me in first grade (1970) than what AP did, and when I threatened to go to the police, I got even in more trouble.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 27, 2014, 08:14:15 PM
I post these links for the casual reader of this thread since I am pretty sure the child beating apologists will not even look at them or dismiss them out of hand.
This just the tip of the iceberg of what the social sciences have to tell us about corporal punishment; 10-15 minutes of casual research with Google Scholar.  These are professional journals, so some of them are not free, but at least read the abstracts.  We figured out spanking, etc. does more harm than good 40 years ago and every study confirms this fact.  I encourage anyone to do their own research.  You might learn something.

Hitting preschool children makes it harder for them to learn and causes them to act out.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/icd.758/abstract;jsessionid=983CAC2C4E78A45CF5A86B8CF33C954C.f01t01?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/icd.758/abstract;jsessionid=983CAC2C4E78A45CF5A86B8CF33C954C.f01t01?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false)

Corporal punishment and it's link to domestic violence in adulthood.
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/353973?sid=21104944248671&uid=4&uid=2&uid=3739976&uid=3739256 (http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/353973?sid=21104944248671&uid=4&uid=2&uid=3739976&uid=3739256)
Spank your kids and they are more likely to hit their spouse.

Spank your kids and they are more likely to torture animals.
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/354017?sid=21104944248671&uid=3739256&uid=70&uid=4&uid=2134&uid=2&uid=3739976 (http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/354017?sid=21104944248671&uid=3739256&uid=70&uid=4&uid=2134&uid=2&uid=3739976)

Adrian Peterson greatly increased the risk of his child growing up to abuse alcohol and drugs.  And it will take longer for him to relax.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053811910008876 (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053811910008876)

Children's perception of corporal punishment.
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/353974?sid=21104944248671&uid=3739976&uid=4&uid=3739256&uid=2 (http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/353974?sid=21104944248671&uid=3739976&uid=4&uid=3739256&uid=2)

Once again, Scandinavia leads the world in being less shitty to others.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0145213499000216 (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0145213499000216)
They banned it decades ago and the results have been beneficial.

A meta-analysis of 40 years worth of studies on corporal punishment.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0272735812001675 (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0272735812001675)

This study says you just might change your opinion about corporal punishment if you actually read up on its negative effects.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0145213413003189 (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0145213413003189)

I don't speak from authority, but my opinion is based on what experts figured out a long time ago.  Clearly this information is not being adequately communicated to parents in this country.
I will not apologize for my tone, however.  Small children should not be struck by adults.  Period.  It pisses me off.
I sympathize with anyone who had to endure this degrading and unnecessary punishment.  But just because you had to deal with that doesn't mean other children should.  Like I said earlier, it's time to end this cycle of violence.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on January 01, 2015, 04:12:26 PM
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ravens-security-charge-20141230-story.html

Here is another scandal by the ravens Security guard accused of rape.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on January 01, 2015, 06:03:46 PM

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ravens-security-charge-20141230-story.html

Here is another scandal by the ravens Security guard accused of rape.

Classy organization.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on January 08, 2015, 10:19:08 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/01/08/mueller-report-no-evidence-nfl-had-rice-video-league-should-have-done-more/

Here is a Ray Rice update.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on January 10, 2015, 03:41:23 PM
http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=12145933&city=newyork&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dnew%2Byork%2Bjets%2Bnews%26oq%3Dnew%2Byork%2Bjets%2Bnews%26gs_l%3Dmobile-heirloom-serp.12..0l5.3126.13193.0.14647.25.16.3.6.6.0.231.2615.0j14j2.16.0.msedr...0...1c.1.34.mobile-heirloom-serp..0.25.3032.ECWUHjdG8xQ%22%7D

Well the jets has to deal with weapon,charges.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on January 10, 2015, 07:03:37 PM

http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=12145933&city=newyork&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dnew%2Byork%2Bjets%2Bnews%26oq%3Dnew%2Byork%2Bjets%2Bnews%26gs_l%3Dmobile-heirloom-serp.12..0l5.3126.13193.0.14647.25.16.3.6.6.0.231.2615.0j14j2.16.0.msedr...0...1c.1.34.mobile-heirloom-serp..0.25.3032.ECWUHjdG8xQ%22%7D

Well the jets has to deal with weapon,charges.

What, did a player say "Trade me or I'll shoot"?
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on January 15, 2015, 08:45:48 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12170950/indianapolis-colts-lb-josh-mcnary-placed-nfl-commissioner-exempt-list-rape-charge

Colts star charged with rape.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on January 15, 2015, 09:07:20 PM
Oh my fucking God! What is the malfunction of these fucktards in the NFL?! Holy crap man!
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: oscar on January 15, 2015, 09:12:34 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12170950/indianapolis-colts-lb-josh-mcnary-placed-nfl-commissioner-exempt-list-rape-charge

Colts star charged with rape.

"Star"?  He's only a backup linebacker.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on January 16, 2015, 09:03:15 AM

Oh my fucking God! What is the malfunction of these fucktards in the NFL?! Holy crap man!

Let's not let off the fucktards at "lower" levels than the NFL (quotation marks because you can't get much lower) that cultivate this culture so the NFL always has fresh thugs to buy the services of.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Alps on January 16, 2015, 05:20:59 PM
So, um, one football player per year charged with rape is actually much lower than the general population. So shove the affected outrage.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on January 16, 2015, 09:19:00 PM
Where to, good sir?
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on January 17, 2015, 09:46:34 AM

So, um, one football player per year charged with rape is actually much lower than the general population. So shove the affected outrage.

My outrage is at the NFL's billions making whatever hurts sales go away, whether it's one rape (one too many, and surely not just one), jackasses beating up women, a few murderers here and there, or burying report after report that says the game as it's played requires ruining brains.

What I'd suggest shoving is the dismissive attitude that comes from a lot of "reasonable people" who could really easily collectively coerce the league to hold higher standards, but don't because go blue or whatever.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: tdindy88 on January 18, 2015, 09:26:19 PM
Looks like we're headed for an (almost) I-90 endpoint Super Bowl.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on January 18, 2015, 09:58:33 PM
So, when I see "shove the affected outrage" and I ask "where to?", do you really want it to go up my yayhoo and tickle my "lower G's"? Mmm, not really. I have a good reason to be outraged, because this does't just happen in sports, it happens in life outside of sports where we have killers, rapists, robbers, the destroyed lifestyles of many who choose the dark side of life rather than the good side of all descriptions, colors, sizes, and origins. The NFL to me has become a cess pool of this blatant oversight by the commissioner himself. But you see, that doesn't start and end there. It goes further beyond the comish's office. It is those within the administrative capacity of several sports teams who are more reactive than they are proactive. Don't ask me to give you proof of such. You can simply see this timeline of guys who are a black cloud to NFL and their fanbase. I can honestly care less who goes to the Super Bowl or who won their divisional championships. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I don't care about the NFL, I never have cared about the NFL, never been a big football fan to begin with, and I never will buy in to the bullshit the NFL keeps pulling under the rug because I can see what's underneath there. I'm not that stupid enough to think this isn't a big deal. It's time the NFL and their teams cut the bullshit, or we'll cut our ties with them and go somewhere else. Screw the Super Bowl. I ain't watching it anyhow.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on January 18, 2015, 10:47:25 PM
But some of us like football, and want the NFL to give us a game we don't have to feel bad about to watch. 

I wouldn't say I "care" about the NFL, but I like it.  Shouldn't it want to keep good fans by doing the right thing?  And shouldn't most fans hold them to that? 

My point earlier was that "go blue" trumps "don't date rape even though it will likely not be reported and you will likely get away with it."  This is where the fans have to speak up.  This is where the league would do itself a favor by speaking first.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bugo on January 18, 2015, 11:00:34 PM
So, when I see "shove the affected outrage" and I ask "where to?", do you really want it to go up my yayhoo and tickle my "lower G's"? Mmm, not really. I have a good reason to be outraged, because this does't just happen in sports, it happens in life outside of sports where we have killers, rapists, robbers, the destroyed lifestyles of many who choose the dark side of life rather than the good side of all descriptions, colors, sizes, and origins. The NFL to me has become a cess pool of this blatant oversight by the commissioner himself. But you see, that doesn't start and end there. It goes further beyond the comish's office. It is those within the administrative capacity of several sports teams who are more reactive than they are proactive. Don't ask me to give you proof of such. You can simply see this timeline of guys who are a black cloud to NFL and their fanbase. I can honestly care less who goes to the Super Bowl or who won their divisional championships. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I don't care about the NFL, I never have cared about the NFL, never been a big football fan to begin with, and I never will buy in to the bullshit the NFL keeps pulling under the rug because I can see what's underneath there. I'm not that stupid enough to think this isn't a big deal. It's time the NFL and their teams cut the bullshit, or we'll cut our ties with them and go somewhere else. Screw the Super Bowl. I ain't watching it anyhow.

tl;dr
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Alps on January 18, 2015, 11:02:36 PM
I don't care about the NFL, I never have cared about the NFL, never been a big football fan to begin with.... It's time the NFL and their teams cut the bullshit, or we'll cut our ties with them and go somewhere else. Screw the Super Bowl. I ain't watching it anyhow.
You're a lost cause, so why should they listen to anything you say? I sure won't.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on January 18, 2015, 11:42:45 PM
Whatever. Lock the fucking thread then.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on January 19, 2015, 08:29:33 AM
You say "we'll cut our ties with [the NFL]," but also go on at length about your total lack of connection to them.  He's not the only one this doesn't make sense to.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: PHLBOS on January 19, 2015, 09:29:03 AM
Looks like we're headed for an (almost) I-90 endpoint Super Bowl.
See Reply #581 in this thread (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1113.575) lol.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on January 19, 2015, 10:18:48 AM
You say "we'll cut our ties with [the NFL]," but also go on at length about your total lack of connection to them.  He's not the only one this doesn't make sense to.

That's moot.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on January 19, 2015, 11:20:10 AM
Ok.  Good talk.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on January 20, 2015, 12:50:36 AM
You're welcome.



(thus the birth of the NFL heretic, yours truly)
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: ET21 on August 13, 2015, 01:03:50 PM
Thought I resurrect this with Deflategate in court and the fact we're now in the preseason  :nod:
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: triplemultiplex on August 14, 2015, 03:47:16 PM
How about Jets QB Geno Smith getting his face rearranged by a (now ex) teammate?
You'd think the Jets would get tired of being the league's punchline.

When Brady looses his stupid court thing, he should have to miss more games as punishment for wasting everyone's time and being such a lying douche. :-D
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on August 19, 2015, 02:51:55 PM
You know, I followed both subjects on and off now that you guys mentioned it. I mean, c'mon. Can't the NFL just put Deflategate to bed already?

In regards to Geno, some of you may say "well, he had that one coming; he got what he deserved for being an asswipe of the Jets" and that very well may be the case, but I still don't agree to Geno being punched in the face regardless if he had it coming to him or not. I find that really over the top, plus, to add insult to injury, the ex-Jet teammate is now a Buffalo Bill player!

Tom Brady, however? He knows where he can kiss it. I just like to pretend he's just another blur in the picture.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: US71 on August 19, 2015, 05:21:24 PM
Oh my fucking God! What is the malfunction of these fucktards in the NFL?! Holy crap man!

Nice to see you again.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on August 19, 2015, 11:27:28 PM
Oh my fucking God! What is the malfunction of these fucktards in the NFL?! Holy crap man!

Just a spur the moment deal that went totally nowhere...and fast. Yes, it is my own criticism of this very quote. Hey, that's what happens when you get all peeved and sometimes you just want to air it out in some way. But I guess with a quote like that, it doesn't belong here. Not really a mature statement I made on my part. Now that the upcoming football season is upon us all, moments like that quote are ones I'd rather forget about and not ever bring up again.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Zeffy on August 19, 2015, 11:32:00 PM
But I guess with a quote like that, it doesn't belong here. Not really a mature statement I made on my part.

Oh don't worry, sometimes we just need to vent our anger and frustration out somewhere...I'm pretty guilty of that recently too. The reasons are different, but still.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: I-39 on August 20, 2015, 08:29:21 PM
N.F.L = National Felon League

And yet, America continues to obsess over it. The NFL is becoming disturbingly cult-like (as evidenced that a pre-season game got higher ratings than the championship games of the NBA, NHL and MLB).

Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: ET21 on August 21, 2015, 02:20:51 PM
N.F.L = National Felon League

Too bad Florida State is NCAA, they'd fit right in  :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: US71 on August 21, 2015, 02:27:05 PM
N.F.L = National Felon League

And yet, America continues to obsess over it. The NFL is becoming disturbingly cult-like (as evidenced that a pre-season game got higher ratings than the championship games of the NBA, NHL and MLB).



Athletes are often treated like gods.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: oscar on August 21, 2015, 02:48:26 PM
And yet, America continues to obsess over it. The NFL is becoming disturbingly cult-like (as evidenced that a pre-season game got higher ratings than the championship games of the NBA, NHL and MLB).

How do you tell the difference between "cult-like" following, and simply being much more popular than competing professional sports (not counting college football, which is also doing well even though beset by its own issues)?

ISTM the better question is not why the NFL is successful despite its problems, but rather why other professional sports in the U.S. are less successful.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on August 21, 2015, 04:05:44 PM
And yet, America continues to obsess over it. The NFL is becoming disturbingly cult-like (as evidenced that a pre-season game got higher ratings than the championship games of the NBA, NHL and MLB).

How do you tell the difference between "cult-like" following, and simply being much more popular than competing professional sports (not counting college football, which is also doing well even though beset by its own issues)?

ISTM the better question is not why the NFL is successful despite its problems, but rather why other professional sports in the U.S. are less successful.

I think it may be due to what people are inclined to follow. American football seems like to me has been off the charts lately in popularity. It gets talked about the most on radio, TV, print and Internet, the sports outlets like ABC, ESPN, FOX and so forth have so much access to this sport. I really don't understand this huge following the majority of people in the U.S. have of the NFL, and as far as to saying it's successful than other sports is something I can't say I disagree or agree to because I need to see for myself how, say, MLB is successful, or how NBA is, NASCAR, you name it. I can't seem to subscribe to the notion that the NFL is on top of everyone else.
Title: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on August 21, 2015, 04:49:51 PM
I like football.  It's a fun game to watch.  I resent that this is used to justify condoning so much shitty behavior.

And I couldn't give a shit any less about deflategate.  It's the NFL's dream—a distraction from its many real problems that ruin lives.  They're probably feeding Brady and Kraft lines like the equally serious storylines of professional wrestling.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: slorydn1 on August 21, 2015, 07:50:37 PM
Gambling, and fantasy football have done alot to keep the fans engaged over the years, even as the on-field product has suffered from rule change after rule change.

That, and the fact that the NFL never truly has an "off-season" anymore. They now have the preseason, regular season, post season and non-playing season. From the 0:00 mark on the scoreboard at the Super Bowl until the opening of training camp, the league, with the help of NFL Network and ESPN, has been able to keep football in our face with some kind of event or deadline every month of the year.

As kids growing up, how many of us over the age of 30 ever even knew that there was such a thing as the combine, and various pro days at the different draft prospects' schools? We knew about the draft, yes, but only as an obscure listing that popped up one Sunday morning in the sports section of the news paper every spring. Most of us were too busy paying attention to the beginning of the MLB season or following our NBA teams down the stretch to the play-offs to really care. Now it's all football, all the time.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Henry on August 26, 2015, 12:33:19 PM
After acquiring the naming rights to the Falcons' new stadium, Mercedes-Benz is now the sponsor of two NFC South rivals' home fields (as it already has its name on the Superdome, where the Saints play). I sense a fight in the parking lot over who will get the keys to one of its cars...
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Alps on August 29, 2015, 12:11:16 AM
And yet, America continues to obsess over it. The NFL is becoming disturbingly cult-like (as evidenced that a pre-season game got higher ratings than the championship games of the NBA, NHL and MLB).

How do you tell the difference between "cult-like" following, and simply being much more popular than competing professional sports (not counting college football, which is also doing well even though beset by its own issues)?

ISTM the better question is not why the NFL is successful despite its problems, but rather why other professional sports in the U.S. are less successful.
NFL is more successful on a per-game basis because there are only 16 regular season games. It's much easier to hype matchups once a week than the 162-game MLB season. Basketball has evolved into an urban sport and hockey never broke out from being a northern sport, so they have limited fan bases. But I'd argue MLB is overall as popular as NFL, just diluted on a per-game basis.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: apjung on September 15, 2015, 02:20:33 AM
Anyone sick and tired of the barrage of FanDuel and DraftKings commercials?

All that money they spent could probably fund construction of I-49 thru Arkansas! I could just see it now with them adopting a stretch of Interstate Highway.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on September 17, 2015, 01:19:55 AM
I just pretend it's not even there. Draft Kings and FanDuel are things I stay far the hell away from. If people love fantasy football that much, they can literally make fantasy leagues without throwing in all that wasted money. Seriously, if you have had plans to enter a Draft Kings or a FanDuel league, forget it. Get you into an actual fantasy league where having fun is what really matters in that regard. That's why I don't do fantasy sports that involves money. It's like horse racing and gambling. They don't mix well and none of the money-making fantasy leagues actually mean anything.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 18, 2015, 11:02:10 PM
"Average payout is $24.something"
Read the fine print during those ads if you can.

I don't understand why it isn't considered gambling.  You are putting in money and then either losing it or getting more based on the outcome of a game.  Sounds like gambling to me.  And the dickbags in their commercials sure sound like gamblers.  Talking about the rush of winning money.  The way they are apprehensively staring at the screen during the games.  You can see that same thing at any OTB.

Those companies must be making a lot of money off of gambling addicts based on how many commercials they air; especially high-dollar spots during championship games.

I don't personally care that they are making shitloads of money from gambling, but they should at least be forced to admit that is what they are doing.
Title: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on September 19, 2015, 03:47:29 AM
No, no, they're just "monetizing the thrill."  Not gambling.  Just bringing joy as evidenced in those faces.

The Massachusetts Attorney General's office has begun investigating them.  Certainly couldn't have anything to do with the recent arrival to the state of large and incredibly wealthy gambling—er, gaming companies.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: I-39 on September 28, 2015, 10:16:14 PM
I've said this before, the NFL is becoming a cult. People are becoming WAY too obsessed with it. It's not that big of a freaking deal! I'm tired of 95% of sports coverage going to Football.

Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 28, 2015, 10:38:00 PM
I spotted that article on Bloomberg.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-25/nfl-wants-players-to-pay-for-los-angeles-stadium

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The National Football League is asking its players to help finance any new stadium in Los Angeles, a prerequisite to putting a team in the No. 2 U.S. media market for the first time since the Raiders and Rams bolted in 1994.

The NFL players union, which confirmed the talks, typically assumes some of the cost of stadium financing through what are called stadium credits, negotiated in the collective bargaining agreement. However, team owners have exhausted the credits approved in the existing contract, which runs through 2020. Any additional money from players — as for a proposed stadium in L.A. — must be approved on a one-off basis.

How much the players would pay for either stadium is unclear. The ultimate amount of a stadium credit is affected by several things, including how much projected revenue the proposed facility would generate.

Still, two executives from NFL teams said the credit could be worth about $300 million if two teams share the stadium. The executives requested anonymity because the league hasn’t commented on talks with the players association.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Darkchylde on September 29, 2015, 08:22:25 AM
And yet, America continues to obsess over it. The NFL is becoming disturbingly cult-like (as evidenced that a pre-season game got higher ratings than the championship games of the NBA, NHL and MLB).

How do you tell the difference between "cult-like" following, and simply being much more popular than competing professional sports (not counting college football, which is also doing well even though beset by its own issues)?

ISTM the better question is not why the NFL is successful despite its problems, but rather why other professional sports in the U.S. are less successful.
NFL is more successful on a per-game basis because there are only 16 regular season games. It's much easier to hype matchups once a week than the 162-game MLB season. Basketball has evolved into an urban sport and hockey never broke out from being a northern sport, so they have limited fan bases. But I'd argue MLB is overall as popular as NFL, just diluted on a per-game basis.
The fact that you can see all of a team's games in its market on over-the-air TV in its home market helps as well, to some degree. Nowadays, a lot of baseball, basketball, and hockey teams are moving to cable, especially to regional sports networks, leaving maybe one or two games per week on OTA TV each, and not all season long, and most likely not even for your team because of asinine blackout rules.

It might not seem like a huge factor, until you consider the growing rate of cord cutting. Between the games in the afternoons on Sundays, as well as the Sunday Night game, the early-season Thursday games being simulcast OTA - and if you're lucky, your market has the Monday Night game this week - that's a lot of football for nothing.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Thing 342 on September 29, 2015, 09:02:09 AM
"Average payout is $24.something"
Read the fine print during those ads if you can.

That average is heavily skewed towards the massive payouts that these companies like to advertise. The median payout is somewhere closer to $2-3 dollars per week.

I'm really not a fan of these daily fantasy leagues because given the amount of statistical noise in a single football game, they are pretty much gambling sites. It also doesn't help that several NFL owners (such as New England's Robert Kraft) own large shares in these companies, which from my perspective seems like a conflict of interest.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 29, 2015, 05:11:09 PM
It also doesn't help that several NFL owners (such as New England's Robert Kraft) own large shares in these companies, which from my perspective seems like a conflict of interest.

Oh good, yet another reason to hate the Patriots.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on October 01, 2015, 12:22:42 AM
I really don't care about any football team, good or bad, loved or hated. The biggest theme that gets me irked a lot is the mentality of "all football, all the time". It's what 80% of the mainstream sports media turns to a lot this time of year. And I am damn sick and tired of hearing the Fan Duel and Draft Kings commercials over and over and over again!
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Alps on October 03, 2015, 02:03:27 AM
I really don't care about any football team, good or bad, loved or hated. The biggest theme that gets me irked a lot is the mentality of "all football, all the time". It's what 80% of the mainstream sports media turns to a lot this time of year. And I am damn sick and tired of hearing the Fan Duel and Draft Kings commercials over and over and over again!
I don't have a TV so I only hear people complain about those commercials. Wanna know what bugs me? Anytime I go visit any sports page on Yahoo - not just NFL, not even just pro sports at all - I get a popup about some million dollar bullshit. If I haven't entered by now, it's not happening. Chill. Out.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: ET21 on October 05, 2015, 02:16:24 PM
DraftKings annoyance stocks have skyrocketed just these past 4 weeks alone
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Buffaboy on October 05, 2015, 07:54:25 PM
NFL = WWE, Bills V. Giants, case in point.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Henry on October 06, 2015, 12:32:09 PM
Well, the refs helped the Seahawks win last night because of a fumble that was batted in the back of the endzone (second time they've done that in the last few years). Batgate, anyone?
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 06, 2015, 12:40:49 PM
DraftKings annoyance stocks have skyrocketed just these past 4 weeks alone

Appearantly a DraftKings employee won some big money in a Fanduel contest this week.  While there probably wasn't any rule for an employee of one company to participate in the other company's contests, the employee has been accused of using his company's info by seeing how bets were placed at his company, and used that info to place his bets at the other company.  The fewer people that were betting on a particular team allowed him to have a better chance of winning that particular bet. 

Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Alps on October 07, 2015, 01:17:25 AM
Well, the refs helped the Seahawks win last night because of a fumble that was batted in the back of the endzone (second time they've done that in the last few years). Batgate, anyone?
Seahawks mean more to the NFL (fanbase = profits) than the Lions, so they are going to push them toward the playoffs.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on October 08, 2015, 12:02:38 AM
DraftKings annoyance stocks have skyrocketed just these past 4 weeks alone

Appearantly a DraftKings employee won some big money in a Fanduel contest this week.  While there probably wasn't any rule for an employee of one company to participate in the other company's contests, the employee has been accused of using his company's info by seeing how bets were placed at his company, and used that info to place his bets at the other company.  The fewer people that were betting on a particular team allowed him to have a better chance of winning that particular bet.

I'm putting that in the "C'mon man!" category.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 08, 2015, 04:04:35 AM
Appearantly a DraftKings employee won some big money in a Fanduel contest this week.  While there probably wasn't any rule for an employee of one company to participate in the other company's contests, the employee has been accused of using his company's info by seeing how bets were placed at his company, and used that info to place his bets at the other company.  The fewer people that were betting on a particular team allowed him to have a better chance of winning that particular bet. 

When the game is rigged, the only way to win is to cheat.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on December 28, 2015, 06:13:43 PM
So Al Jazera gets in on the act accusing Peyton Manning of using HGH hormonal treatments for his bad neck in 2011, eh? I'd agree with Peyton. That was total garbage and for this bitch of an ESPN reporter to bring that up, that makes it even more bullshit. Yeah, thanks ESPN for blowing this shit up to epic proportions.

On top of that, another ex-Colt gets gigged with a charge of assault with a weapon and I really don't understand this at all.

It just goes to show how I loathe Roger Goodell, loathe any person including Manziel who thinks they can get away with certain things but others like this ex-Colt player don't. I'm sick of it.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Henry on December 29, 2015, 11:04:13 AM
FWIW, the Patriots may think they're off the hook for it, but everybody still keeps talking about their years of cheating, and probably will long after Tom Brady and Bill Belichick have played and coached in their last game, respectively.

As for the former Colts, I really could care less about this so-called Hormonegate or whatever the hell else it is that they've been up to.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Rothman on December 29, 2015, 11:26:11 AM
FWIW, the Patriots may think they're off the hook for it, but everybody still keeps talking about their years of cheating, and probably will long after Tom Brady and Bill Belichick have played and coached in their last game, respectively.

As for the former Colts, I really could care less about this so-called Hormonegate or whatever the hell else it is that they've been up to.

So...cheating only counts against the Pats? :D
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on December 29, 2015, 08:42:37 PM
As for the former Colts, I really could care less about this so-called Hormonegate or whatever the hell else it is that they've been up to.

I'll grant you bonus points for that term you coined up: hormonegate!  :D
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Henry on December 30, 2015, 11:15:53 AM
As for the former Colts, I really could care less about this so-called Hormonegate or whatever the hell else it is that they've been up to.

I'll grant you bonus points for that term you coined up: hormonegate!  :D
:rofl: And BTW, you're welcome!
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: kurumi on December 30, 2015, 01:56:18 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/a6fXIK8.png)

EDIT: I haven't read the stories and don't know if it's true
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Jovet on December 30, 2015, 06:13:53 PM
EDIT: I haven't read the stories and don't know if it's true

As a music nerd and Peyton Manning hater, this is hilarious!!   Those commercials always make me change the channel, too.

I've always suspected he "does something" because the size of his neck compared to his brother (especially during his Colts years) was ridiculous. 
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 30, 2015, 08:39:18 PM
I just kind of assumed most football players were doping with hormones & shit.  Many of them certainly look like it's not just 'exercise' that made them big as they are.

Just like the steroid scandals for MLB and the Olympics and pro-cycling, it's not so much about gaining a competitive advantage as it is speeding recovery from injury.

I wonder if this would keep popping up if there wasn't the pressure of millions and millions of dollars at stake in pro sports.

I have to think one day, pro sports organizations are going to need incorporate some sort of legitimate protocol for using various hormonal and gene therapies for treating injuries as they become increasingly viable options for medical treatment, not just for pro athletes, but for all humans.  At some point, denying access to these modalities is going to be a marked disadvantage for them compared to the general population.  10 or 20 years from now, they may sound ridiculously out of date.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: US 41 on January 10, 2016, 10:35:58 AM
Add last night's Steelers vs Bengals game to this list. The Bengals are down 9-0 in the 3rd Quarter at around the Pitt 25 when Bernard gets taken out of the game by a helmet to helmet. If that's not targeting then I don't know what is. I thought the NFL was serious about head injuries. I guess not. To make matters worse Pittsburgh gets the ball and scores a touchdown on the following drive. That play was when the game really started to change and players started playing dirty. The fans were even out of control after that point (understandably), throwing water bottles on the field and at Rothlesburger as he was being carted off the field.

The Steelers have always been known as a dirty team. In case anyone has forgotten, last time the Bengals and Steelers played each other in the playoffs the Steelers almost ended Carson Palmer's career on a no call definite late hit.

Then at the end of the game Jones gets a 15 yard penalty, but the Pittsburgh LB Coach who had no business being on the field doesn't. Oh and in the first quarter some assistant for the Steelers was pushing a Bengals player and he actually got flagged for it (surprise surprise).

Steelers were basically gift wrapped the game at the end. The officiating however was the worst I had ever seen watching an NFL game and I have seen a lot of games. Whatever view you have of the game it was still a "What the Hell NFL" moment.

Regardless the Bengals lost the game. Fumble or not by Hill you have to hang on to the ball in late game situations, especially in the playoffs when all you need is 1 first down to win the game.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: kurumi on January 10, 2016, 11:33:08 AM
I'd like to see the Chiefs go all the way. KC will own 2 championships (just like the Bay Area did recently).

I'd also like to see Alex Smith get the Super Bowl MVP. In the stadium of the team that pushed him away. His speech should reference Jim Harbaugh's tweet ("Do not be deceived. You will reap what you sow"), and end with an invitation to Jed York to do something for which will take a lot of Pepsi to wash the taste out.

In shame, the Yorks refund all public money involved in funding the stadium and then sell the team to an owner who understands football.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on January 10, 2016, 07:25:55 PM
Well, well, well, let's see. We had Deflategate, I certainly hope we've gone past Hormonegate, and now we have Helmetgate, a series of stories where players have been known to make contact using the helmet as a weapon. On top of that, we have Bottlegate Part II, and that just adds to the sheer idiocy of the fans. I know some were mad, but c'mon. Really? Throwing bottles at a down player? That's just cold. You can like that player or hate that player all you want to, but god dang, don't be throwing bottles at the down player!

What a shame. So much for what the "National Felons League" are trying to preach about safety of players yet most who are involved in this lucrative multi-figure business lack the proactiveness thereof doing so or doing very little of it, take your pick.
Title: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on January 11, 2016, 03:59:16 AM
During all the intense ethical debate last week that always accompanies the Baseball Hall of Fame voting, I kept being struck by how different the conversation is in baseball than it is in football.  Rather than anybody talking about the "sanctity of the game," everyone expects football players to be crooks.  Nice work on your culture there, NFL.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on February 04, 2016, 07:04:32 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/police-report-johnny-manziel-struck-woman-several-times/ar-BBp8WLg?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout

Heres a crazy report/
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: US 41 on February 04, 2016, 07:59:23 PM
On top of that, we have Bottlegate Part II, and that just adds to the sheer idiocy of the fans. I know some were mad, but c'mon. Really? Throwing bottles at a down player? That's just cold. You can like that player or hate that player all you want to, but god dang, don't be throwing bottles at the down player!

It reminded me a little bit of the Pacers Pistons brawl that involved the fans except (thankfully) it didn't quite reach that level. The worst part is that both incidents involved my favorite teams from both leagues (the Pacers and the Bengals).
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on February 05, 2016, 04:05:10 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/05/johnny-manziels-father-fears-for-his-son-tried-to-get-him-into-rehab/

Update Manziel is somehow getting into one crazy scandal to the next.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 05, 2016, 09:13:51 PM
Ooh, sorry Johnny Football, we don't look the other way with this kind of shit if you suck.
Your name is not Adrian Peterson, so a billion dollars worth of fantasy football gambling isn't riding on you playing football.
Bye, bye forever.  :-/
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on February 06, 2016, 12:32:42 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2016/02/05/nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-holds-state-league-press-conference/79885482/


New update.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Desert Man on February 06, 2016, 07:12:11 PM
Tomorrow is the 50th super bowl in the NFL, the Denver Broncos under football great Peyton Manning take on the season's best record team the Carolina Panthers. My own Mom who's a 49er fan since the early 1980s will watch the game from the 49ers' new home field: Levi's Stadium in Santa Clara CA in the SF Bay area. Whether Peyton will match his brother Eli's two SB career victories or the Panthers' Cam Newton might do 4 touchdowns like he did in the NFC title game, it's a must see sports match of the century. The game is on Sunday on CBS at 3:30pm Pacific time (convert times to your time zone)...celebrate half a century of post-league merger Super Bowls (the former American Football League founded 1960 joined the NFL in 1970).
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: US 41 on February 06, 2016, 09:36:06 PM
Tomorrow is the 50th super bowl in the NFL, the Denver Broncos under football great Peyton Manning take on the season's best record team the Carolina Panthers. My own Mom who's a 49er fan since the early 1980s will watch the game from the 49ers' new home field: Levi's Stadium in Santa Clara CA in the SF Bay area. Whether Peyton will match his brother Eli's two SB career victories or the Panthers' Cam Newton might do 4 touchdowns like he did in the NFC title game, it's a must see sports match of the century. The game is on Sunday on CBS at 3:30pm Pacific time (convert times to your time zone)...celebrate half a century of post-league merger Super Bowls (the former American Football League founded 1960 joined the NFL in 1970).

Not sure if I've ever seen a superbowl played while the Sun is still shining. Usually it starts at night since it is almost always on the east coast (or so it seems).
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: slorydn1 on February 07, 2016, 08:01:46 AM
2015=Phoenix
2014=NJ/NY
2013=New Orleans
2012=Indianapolis
2011=Dallas
2010=Miami
2009=Tampa
2008=Phoenix
2007=Miami
2006=Detroit


Last 10 Super Bowls. 4 are on the east coast (I'll count Tampa as East coast for this). 6 of the 10 having been played indoors probably have more to do with the lack of perceived daylight than time zone and time of year (including the two in Phoenix).
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on February 07, 2016, 01:10:34 PM
I so want Manziel-mania to DIE!
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Stephane Dumas on February 07, 2016, 07:11:49 PM
There's a road sign in North Carolina where some folks wonder if it's a kind of omen to predict the outcome of the SuperBowl?
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2016/02/07/north-carolina-road-sign-predicts-super-bowl-outcome/

Let's see if the chicken bones prediction will come true again this year.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Henry on February 08, 2016, 11:22:55 AM
Well, in case you missed it, the Broncos defeated the Panthers by a final score of 24-10. It may have been Peyton Manning's last game, but you never know.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on February 08, 2016, 04:24:57 PM
Well, in case you missed it, the Broncos defeated the Panthers by a final score of 24-10. It may have been Peyton Manning's last game, but you never know.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/02/super-bowl-hideous-panthers-broncos-cam-newton-peyton-manning#

And USA Today Reviews this NFL Game.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on February 08, 2016, 04:33:37 PM
They said the same thing last year about the Seahawks/Patriots game in a similar vein to this one! 95% of the game is all ads and boobies while the other 5 is on the action itself. I thought Cam gave it his all despite a lot of flaws that cost them the game. I watched the box score a couple of times just to see what Cam and the Carolina offense could do, but they struggled too much to even try to power past Denver's defensive line and now these fools at USA Today call it hideous. Maybe USA Today is hideous moreso than the game itself, IDK!
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on February 08, 2016, 05:25:20 PM

They said the same thing last year about the Seahawks/Patriots game in a similar vein to this one! 95% of the game is all ads and boobies while the other 5 is on the action itself. I thought Cam gave it his all despite a lot of flaws that cost them the game. I watched the box score a couple of times just to see what Cam and the Carolina offense could do, but they struggled too much to even try to power past Denver's defensive line and now these fools at USA Today call it hideous. Maybe USA Today is hideous moreso than the game itself, IDK!

This was just not the game that the NFL likes to see the Super Bowl be. No nonstop scoring, big run-up, or any of that. This was a snoozer for the casual fan.

It did support the cliché that defense wins games, particularly Super Bowls.  For anyone that watched the way Tom Brady got beat up two weeks ago, this game was not a big surprise.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on February 08, 2016, 10:52:49 PM
http://www.wkyc.com/sports/nfl/browns/affidavit-manziels-ex-girlfriend-deaf-in-one-ear-after-alleged-assault/36989831

Wow Manziel is the Ray Rice of 2016.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 08, 2016, 11:13:21 PM
http://www.wkyc.com/sports/nfl/browns/affidavit-manziels-ex-girlfriend-deaf-in-one-ear-after-alleged-assault/36989831

Wow Manziel is the Ray Rice of 2016.

Without the talent.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Henry on February 09, 2016, 10:27:19 AM
http://www.wkyc.com/sports/nfl/browns/affidavit-manziels-ex-girlfriend-deaf-in-one-ear-after-alleged-assault/36989831

Wow Manziel is the Ray Rice of 2016.

Without the talent.
Or the championship-caliber players around him.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on February 11, 2016, 10:10:49 PM
Manziel serves as no surprise. I hope he gets canned from NFL for good so that we the fans don't have to bear anymore nonsense from this knucklehead, while at the same time, that boy better get help somehow some way or he'll end up on the short end of his lifespan.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 11, 2016, 10:23:57 PM
I look forward to the 30-for-30 documentary about him in 2025.  :spin:
Directed by Drew Carey.  :-D :-D
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Pete from Boston on February 11, 2016, 10:34:41 PM

I look forward to the 30-for-30 documentary about him in 2025.  :spin:
Directed by Drew Carey.  :-D :-D

I look forward to some interviewer with even half a nut staring Goodell in the face and saying "Why are the people in your league, made up of the most carefully chosen people in the world in their profession, continually unable to abide by basic, simple social norms?"

We all know a lot of answers to this, but I want to hear the slimy worm try to squirm through getting one of them out.  When he clears his throat nervously, look for the bits of cash he coughs out.


iPhone
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Rothman on February 12, 2016, 08:29:15 AM

 When he clears his throat nervously, look for the bits of cash he coughs out.


HA! :D
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: kkt on February 12, 2016, 01:37:10 PM
It's not really that much of a surprise.  They're young people who suddenly get more money than anyone they know has had experience with, so they think all sorts of social norms no longer apply to them.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on February 12, 2016, 03:11:28 PM
Manziel serves as no surprise. I hope he gets canned from NFL for good so that we the fans don't have to bear anymore nonsense from this knucklehead, while at the same time, that boy better get help somehow some way or he'll end up on the short end of his lifespan.

Hold it only Roger Goodell decides what a scandal is. See I agree that Johnny Manziel has been in more scandals than Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice combined.  See Law enforcement, the Victims the Psychologists, the victim agrees with you. But the reality is that only Roger Goodell and the NFL board can declare something a scandal.

http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/football/modiano-nfl-media-wake-manziel-isn-victim-article-1.2528169
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on February 12, 2016, 11:34:17 PM
Manziel serves as no surprise. I hope he gets canned from NFL for good so that we the fans don't have to bear anymore nonsense from this knucklehead, while at the same time, that boy better get help somehow some way or he'll end up on the short end of his lifespan.

Hold it only Roger Goodell decides what a scandal is. See I agree that Johnny Manziel has been in more scandals than Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice combined.  See Law enforcement, the Victims the Psychologists, the victim agrees with you. But the reality is that only Roger Goodell and the NFL board can declare something a scandal.

http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/football/modiano-nfl-media-wake-manziel-isn-victim-article-1.2528169

Eh, I'm not too sure about Goodell and the NFL board declaring something as a scandal. I've noticed the sports and news media do that quite often, too, after they've dug up enough facts to back up what they're trying to point out and not be a Rush Limbaugh-ish mouthpiece that only knows half of what the NFL is doing.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Stephane Dumas on February 13, 2016, 07:06:53 PM
http://www.wkyc.com/sports/nfl/browns/affidavit-manziels-ex-girlfriend-deaf-in-one-ear-after-alleged-assault/36989831

Wow Manziel is the Ray Rice of 2016.

Speaking of Ray Rice, I spotted that politically incorrect parody clip.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on February 15, 2016, 02:35:36 PM
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-peyton-manning-squeaky-clean-image-built-lies-article-1.2530395

Update on Manning
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Billy F 1988 on February 15, 2016, 09:54:25 PM
Really mainstream news media? Really? They're just saying that to garner attention like the attention whores they are. It's making it rather difficult for me to think about some of the positive things about Peyton, like his now-two Super Bowl rings from Indy and Denver, his friendship with his peers, and the fact that he'd gone out as a champion, even after getting beat up in a not-so-glamorous Super Bowl 50. But, no, the god dang news and sports outlets want to take Peyton down and blast a crater in budding legacy. Man, fuck the news and sports media up the glory hole! No wonder I don't read the Missoulian articles because they'd be saying the same thing like NY Daily, Enquirer among others. These accusations against Peyton are really starting to make me puke rainbows all the sudden.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on September 06, 2016, 12:44:16 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/49ers-fb-bruce-miller-arrested-after-allegedly-punching-70-year-old-man-183250581.html


Heres a new one.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Alps on September 06, 2016, 07:13:48 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/49ers-fb-bruce-miller-arrested-after-allegedly-punching-70-year-old-man-183250581.html


Heres a new one.
The 49ers have taken over the long-standing mantle from the Cheaters* for the team most in disarray.
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 10, 2016, 06:54:04 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/49ers-fb-bruce-miller-arrested-after-allegedly-punching-70-year-old-man-183250581.html


Heres a new one.
The 49ers have taken over the long-standing mantle from the Cheaters* for the team most in disarray.

Did the 49ers will soon be the target of jokes like the Detroit Lions and Cleveland Browns?

And looks like the tv ratings of the kickoff game had taken a bump on the road. http://deadline.com/2016/09/broncos-panthers-nfl-kickoff-ratings-down-nbc-1201815899/
Title: Re: NFL: What the Hell?
Post by: bing101 on December 05, 2017, 11:15:51 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/concussion-doctor-omalu-resigns-coroner-post-rips-sheriff-article-1.3679084


http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article188145129.html


Update Dr. Omalu leaves the San Joaquin County Coroners office due to issues at the work place.