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Title: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: mariethefoxy on July 21, 2015, 01:52:43 AM
Next month I'm heading up from the NYC Metro Area to Nashua and I've never been to Vermont before. (I'm trying to visit all 50 states at least once, I have 22 out of the 50)

Whats the best way of briefly stopping into Vermont en route to Nashua without going too far out of the way.

On the map theres NH 9 to Keene then NH 101 and 101A the rest of the way but how is that with speed limits and traps. It looks like its going to be a slow ride.
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: 1 on July 21, 2015, 09:53:28 AM
Another option is I-91 to VT/NH/MA 119 to MA 113 to MA/NH 111.
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: Dougtone on July 21, 2015, 10:46:04 AM
NH 9 between Vermont and Keene moves fine, but the cops around Chesterfield like to set up radar and nab speeders. It's been a while since I've taken NH 101 snd NH 101A east of Keene, but it's a pleasant drive that isn't too slow. There are some towns to deal with, though.

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Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: froggie on July 21, 2015, 01:01:15 PM
If your destination is Nashua and you want to hit at least part of Vermont, your best bet is taking NH 9/NH 101/NH 101A out of Brattleboro.  Shorter than "1"'s suggestion with more in the way of bypasses (namely around Milford).
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: empirestate on July 21, 2015, 01:43:52 PM
Yeah, that's the way. And you're right, you'll want to obey speed limits in the NH towns; Dublin is one that has a low limit about which they're fairly serious.

For a more relaxing drive overall, though longer, use the Taconic Parkway out of NYC Metro, then run across Vermont via NY 22 and NY 7/VT 9. Or as a compromise, use Taconic-MassPike-91 to Brattleboro. This lets you avoid traffic in CT, which may be desirable in terms of both congestion and behavior.


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Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: mariethefoxy on July 21, 2015, 02:07:15 PM
I don't like the Taconic, it gets kinda hairy the further up you go. I drove up to Poughkeepsie a few times and it starts to get really narrow and twisty once you pass a certain point in Westchester.
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: Dougtone on July 21, 2015, 03:11:50 PM
I don't like the Taconic, it gets kinda hairy the further up you go. I drove up to Poughkeepsie a few times and it starts to get really narrow and twisty once you pass a certain point in Westchester.
That's really only on the stretch of the Taconic through the mountains between US 6 and I-84 where the road becomes challenging. Occasionally, I'll take US 9 or I-684 as an alternative to the Taconic within that stretch. On the flip side, the congestion that you may come across betwixt NYC and Hartford/Springfield may be just as nerve wracking.
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: mariethefoxy on July 21, 2015, 04:33:43 PM
the time i would be going it shouldn't be too bad, I drove up that way on 15 and I-91 many many many times. If you get there in the middle of the day unless theres some unpredictable major accident, its fine.

Having said that if I know ahead of time of issues, 684 to 84 is my backup way.

I wonder if its worth it to take 91 to Brattleboro, go back down 91 the other way towards Greenfield and then take Route 2 to 290 to 495 to 3 to get to Nashua instead of trying to go through the small towns of rural Southern New Hampshire.
Title: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 21, 2015, 08:00:15 PM
I wonder if its worth it to take 91 to Brattleboro, go back down 91 the other way towards Greenfield and then take Route 2 to 290 to 495 to 3 to get to Nashua instead of trying to go through the small towns of rural Southern New Hampshire.

No 290 in that route, FYI.

You add miles going south then north, then still have to deal with the small-town, narrow Route 2 from Greenfield to Athol or so.  Not worth the trouble, in my opinion.  Just relax and enjoy the scenery and mind the limit.  It's a nice drive.
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: empirestate on July 21, 2015, 10:54:53 PM
I don't like the Taconic, it gets kinda hairy the further up you go. I drove up to Poughkeepsie a few times and it starts to get really narrow and twisty once you pass a certain point in Westchester.
That's really only on the stretch of the Taconic through the mountains between US 6 and I-84 where the road becomes challenging. Occasionally, I'll take US 9 or I-684 as an alternative to the Taconic within that stretch. On the flip side, the congestion that you may come across betwixt NYC and Hartford/Springfield may be just as nerve wracking.

Yeah, it gets less hairy again as you go through Dutchess into Columbia County. In any case, I find it less disagreeable than Connecticut overall, but to each his own.

I wonder if its worth it to take 91 to Brattleboro, go back down 91 the other way towards Greenfield and then take Route 2 to 290 to 495 to 3 to get to Nashua instead of trying to go through the small towns of rural Southern New Hampshire.

Not to me, but if something concerns you about the small towns of rural southern New Hampshire, you may find it so.

Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: mariethefoxy on July 22, 2015, 01:49:35 AM
I don't like the Taconic, it gets kinda hairy the further up you go. I drove up to Poughkeepsie a few times and it starts to get really narrow and twisty once you pass a certain point in Westchester.
That's really only on the stretch of the Taconic through the mountains between US 6 and I-84 where the road becomes challenging. Occasionally, I'll take US 9 or I-684 as an alternative to the Taconic within that stretch. On the flip side, the congestion that you may come across betwixt NYC and Hartford/Springfield may be just as nerve wracking.

Yeah, it gets less hairy again as you go through Dutchess into Columbia County. In any case, I find it less disagreeable than Connecticut overall, but to each his own.

I wonder if its worth it to take 91 to Brattleboro, go back down 91 the other way towards Greenfield and then take Route 2 to 290 to 495 to 3 to get to Nashua instead of trying to go through the small towns of rural Southern New Hampshire.

Not to me, but if something concerns you about the small towns of rural southern New Hampshire, you may find it so.

Yea getting a speeding ticket from their small town cops. Im used to fast paced Long Island driving.
Title: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 22, 2015, 06:33:38 AM
I don't like the Taconic, it gets kinda hairy the further up you go. I drove up to Poughkeepsie a few times and it starts to get really narrow and twisty once you pass a certain point in Westchester.
That's really only on the stretch of the Taconic through the mountains between US 6 and I-84 where the road becomes challenging. Occasionally, I'll take US 9 or I-684 as an alternative to the Taconic within that stretch. On the flip side, the congestion that you may come across betwixt NYC and Hartford/Springfield may be just as nerve wracking.

Yeah, it gets less hairy again as you go through Dutchess into Columbia County. In any case, I find it less disagreeable than Connecticut overall, but to each his own.

I wonder if its worth it to take 91 to Brattleboro, go back down 91 the other way towards Greenfield and then take Route 2 to 290 to 495 to 3 to get to Nashua instead of trying to go through the small towns of rural Southern New Hampshire.

Not to me, but if something concerns you about the small towns of rural southern New Hampshire, you may find it so.

Yea getting a speeding ticket from their small town cops. Im used to fast paced Long Island driving.

Route 2 can be a fast and fun road, but be very mindful of the cops who know this, both on the expressway portion (cops east of 495 to Concord are especially bad) and in the "sudden 25" zones in small towns like Erving, and even in the aforementioned Concord.
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: Rothman on July 22, 2015, 07:52:13 AM

Route 2 can be a fast and fun road, but be very mindful of the cops who know this, both on the expressway portion (cops east of 495 to Concord are especially bad) and in the "sudden 25" zones in small towns like Erving, and even in the aforementioned Concord.

An infamous speed trap is actually about a mile west of the Concord Rotary.  Acton puts a cop on the north side of the road.
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: froggie on July 22, 2015, 07:53:21 AM
Quote from: mariethefoxy
I wonder if its worth it to take 91 to Brattleboro, go back down 91 the other way towards Greenfield and then take Route 2 to 495 to 3 to get to Nashua

(FTFY, as Pete noted)

In short, no.  You're adding 60 miles and 45 minutes to your trip if you loop back down to Route 2.  Unless you really don't mind adding on that much time and distance, you're far better off just going through the "small towns".

Which, on that note, NH 9 and NH 101 usually have enough traffic to where your speed will be kept in check and you shouldn't have to worry about speeding tickets.  If you're the type that gets frustrated sitting behind other cars, you won't like it.  But it's still much less time/distance than detouring down to Route 2 (which has a lengthy 2-lane segment of its own from Greenfield to past Athol).
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: Rothman on July 22, 2015, 07:53:39 AM
Yea getting a speeding ticket from their small town cops. Im used to fast paced Long Island driving.

Given the PHD on the LIE (highest in the state -- I know the guy who gets the numbers together), I snicker at the idea of "fast-paced" Long Island driving. :D
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: Rothman on July 22, 2015, 07:54:38 AM
I do have to say that the fastest way to Boston from where I lived in Hampshire County was to take US 202 to MA 2 to Alewife Station or all the way in (as opposed to taking the Pike). 
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: Pete from Boston on July 22, 2015, 08:40:29 AM


Route 2 can be a fast and fun road, but be very mindful of the cops who know this, both on the expressway portion (cops east of 495 to Concord are especially bad) and in the "sudden 25" zones in small towns like Erving, and even in the aforementioned Concord.

An infamous speed trap is actually about a mile west of the Concord Rotary.  Acton puts a cop on the north side of the road.

I've heard that Bolton, thanks to lots of lucrative through traffic on 2 and 117, has one of the highest ticketing rates in the Commonwealth.
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: empirestate on July 22, 2015, 08:41:20 AM

I don't like the Taconic, it gets kinda hairy the further up you go. I drove up to Poughkeepsie a few times and it starts to get really narrow and twisty once you pass a certain point in Westchester.
That's really only on the stretch of the Taconic through the mountains between US 6 and I-84 where the road becomes challenging. Occasionally, I'll take US 9 or I-684 as an alternative to the Taconic within that stretch. On the flip side, the congestion that you may come across betwixt NYC and Hartford/Springfield may be just as nerve wracking.

Yeah, it gets less hairy again as you go through Dutchess into Columbia County. In any case, I find it less disagreeable than Connecticut overall, but to each his own.

I wonder if its worth it to take 91 to Brattleboro, go back down 91 the other way towards Greenfield and then take Route 2 to 290 to 495 to 3 to get to Nashua instead of trying to go through the small towns of rural Southern New Hampshire.

Not to me, but if something concerns you about the small towns of rural southern New Hampshire, you may find it so.

Yea getting a speeding ticket from their small town cops. Im used to fast paced Long Island driving.

Well, you could always just not speed; that would seem an easier and less time-consuming way than backtracking to Route 2 (especially since that doesn't fully mitigate your concern).

That does also explain why you seem to prefer the CT route. You'll fit in better there. :-)


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Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: vdeane on July 22, 2015, 12:48:54 PM
Given the PHD on the LIE (highest in the state -- I know the guy who gets the numbers together), I snicker at the idea of "fast-paced" Long Island driving. :D
I tried to search for what "PHD" stands for in this instance and all I got was the degree...
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: mariethefoxy on July 22, 2015, 01:32:51 PM

I don't like the Taconic, it gets kinda hairy the further up you go. I drove up to Poughkeepsie a few times and it starts to get really narrow and twisty once you pass a certain point in Westchester.
That's really only on the stretch of the Taconic through the mountains between US 6 and I-84 where the road becomes challenging. Occasionally, I'll take US 9 or I-684 as an alternative to the Taconic within that stretch. On the flip side, the congestion that you may come across betwixt NYC and Hartford/Springfield may be just as nerve wracking.

Yeah, it gets less hairy again as you go through Dutchess into Columbia County. In any case, I find it less disagreeable than Connecticut overall, but to each his own.

I wonder if its worth it to take 91 to Brattleboro, go back down 91 the other way towards Greenfield and then take Route 2 to 290 to 495 to 3 to get to Nashua instead of trying to go through the small towns of rural Southern New Hampshire.

Not to me, but if something concerns you about the small towns of rural southern New Hampshire, you may find it so.

Yea getting a speeding ticket from their small town cops. Im used to fast paced Long Island driving.

Well, you could always just not speed; that would seem an easier and less time-consuming way than backtracking to Route 2 (especially since that doesn't fully mitigate your concern).

That does also explain why you seem to prefer the CT route. You'll fit in better there. :-)


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91 is the best in CT, 65mph limit and keeping up with traffic is well over 75.
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: Rothman on July 22, 2015, 02:08:42 PM
Given the PHD on the LIE (highest in the state -- I know the guy who gets the numbers together), I snicker at the idea of "fast-paced" Long Island driving. :D
I tried to search for what "PHD" stands for in this instance and all I got was the degree...

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Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: mariethefoxy on July 22, 2015, 05:39:31 PM
I will say this the LIE seems to be getting more and more congested lately than I remember 5+ years ago. Even during the afternoon hours when I head out its got high volume but at least the traffic is moving.
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: Alps on August 02, 2015, 04:52:06 PM
Comment on speeding in NH: 9-101 is a well used route, so you will have limited opportunities to speed even if you lack self-control. But it keeps moving at 45 MPH or so (on weekends, with slow vacationers and locals) which is still faster than going back down to MA 2. Not to mention you could still get nabbed speeding on 2.
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: mariethefoxy on August 04, 2015, 05:03:08 PM
I'm back from that trip, it was quite a slow and seemingly endless ride across NH to finally get to Vermont compared to I-84, the Mass Pike, and I-495 (Massachusetts one, however I was on two I-495's that day) which I used to get up there.

Some things I observed:

For some reason I-95 in New Hampshire (went to Maine one of the days) was completely backed up at 9pm on a Sunday! I ended up taking NH 101 to Everett Tpke to get back instead of waiting in endless traffic to get to I-495.

Why does the Mass Pike put the EZPass Lanes on the Right, most places put them on the left, since they move faster. Also it seems every toll booth on the Mass Pike theres a free for all of people trying to get to various toll booths and then on the other end trying to get to the correct ramp where they need to go.

I-91 in the Springfield area needs work, especially down towards CT.
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: Rothman on August 04, 2015, 06:44:37 PM
I-91 in the Springfield area needs work, especially down towards CT.

HA!  They spent a mint fiddling around with the ramps in Springfield "recently." You should tell them to put everything back the way it was!

Unfortunately, there can be little done about the Forest Park Curve due to...Forest Park and other constraints.
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: empirestate on August 04, 2015, 06:49:32 PM
I'm back from that trip, it was quite a slow and seemingly endless ride across NH to finally get to Vermont compared to I-84, the Mass Pike, and I-495 (Massachusetts one, however I was on two I-495's that day) which I used to get up there.

Yes, if you've never driven it before, NH can be surprisingly wide going across the south end of it. And if you're the sort who's more interested in zooming along CT freeways than idling through small New England towns, I guess that would seem even more interminable.
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: Pete from Boston on August 04, 2015, 08:21:13 PM

For some reason I-95 in New Hampshire (went to Maine one of the days) was completely backed up at 9pm on a Sunday! I ended up taking NH 101 to Everett Tpke to get back instead of waiting in endless traffic to get to I-495.

The answer is right there on the Maine license plates: Vacationland.

Hereabouts, people who go away for summer weekends tend to head to either the Cape or the mountains/lakes, the latter being primarily destinations in New Hampshire and Maine.  On the New Hampshire Turnpike you get not only the Maine vacationers returning, but also that from the east side of the White Mountains and Lakes Region of New Hampshire.  There is a repeat of this fiasco come late September when the leaf peepers go up and back for a month.

I'll still take it over the Cape traffic, which funnels through just two exit points and then piles up again on the undersized Route 3 further north.
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: mariethefoxy on August 04, 2015, 09:32:13 PM
I'm back from that trip, it was quite a slow and seemingly endless ride across NH to finally get to Vermont compared to I-84, the Mass Pike, and I-495 (Massachusetts one, however I was on two I-495's that day) which I used to get up there.

Yes, if you've never driven it before, NH can be surprisingly wide going across the south end of it. And if you're the sort who's more interested in zooming along CT freeways than idling through small New England towns, I guess that would seem even more interminable.

One time I saw someone whizz past me on Route 15 who had to be going 90+ since I'm doing 70 in the right lane and he's easily flying by.
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: Duke87 on August 04, 2015, 11:19:10 PM
Yes, if you've never driven it before, NH can be surprisingly wide going across the south end of it. And if you're the sort who's more interested in zooming along CT freeways than idling through small New England towns, I guess that would seem even more interminable.

One time I saw someone whizz past me on Route 15 who had to be going 90+ since I'm doing 70 in the right lane and he's easily flying by.

Ha. Yeah, that's the parkway alright. Pretty much no enforcement of anything ever and the locals know it.
Title: Re: Best way to hit Vermont between NYC and NH
Post by: empirestate on August 05, 2015, 09:49:25 AM
Yes, if you've never driven it before, NH can be surprisingly wide going across the south end of it. And if you're the sort who's more interested in zooming along CT freeways than idling through small New England towns, I guess that would seem even more interminable.

One time I saw someone whizz past me on Route 15 who had to be going 90+ since I'm doing 70 in the right lane and he's easily flying by.

Ha. Yeah, that's the parkway alright. Pretty much no enforcement of anything ever and the locals know it.

Yup; when I drive it I typically hang out in the right lane going a little above the speed limit, and I almost never hit any traffic because it all just zooms past me. Unfortunately that technique doesn't work quite as well on the Interstates.