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Title: Charlotte
Post by: wriddle082 on October 15, 2015, 05:16:53 PM
There is no Charlotte thread.  So let's have one!

Often times at work, I leave a browser tab open to Google Maps, and I notice that I-77 southbound is often backed up from Mooresville to Huntersville during weekday AFTERNOON rush hour.  This is essentially going towards the city.  The northbound crawl away from the city in the afternoons seems to thin out a little once you're past Cornelius, but the southbound backup baffles me a bit.  Does Mooresville really have a sizable enough job base to justify this apparent reverse commuting pattern?  I know Lowe's Home Improvement is headquartered there, but I wouldn't think that would be enough.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: OracleUsr on October 15, 2015, 09:10:33 PM
Traffic at the lake is hell during the week.  My wife has some business in Charlotte and what is usually about 45-50 mins from Statesville stretches into an hour to an hour and a half.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Third Strike on October 16, 2015, 05:34:22 PM
Probably has a lot to do with the fact that I-77 is only two lanes on each side until it reaches I-485. Not to mention the interstate and intrastate commuters coming from Virginia and points north, along with I-40. Similar situation with I-77 in south Charlotte heading north. It is almost always backed up.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: The Ghostbuster on October 16, 2015, 06:14:16 PM
I heard somewhere that HOT Lanes were coming to the Charlotte Area. Is this still the case, or did I mishear about that?
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: brownpelican on October 16, 2015, 06:59:12 PM
You are correct. HOT lanes are coming to 77 north of Charlotte, I believe.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Henry on October 20, 2015, 12:36:23 PM
Probably has a lot to do with the fact that I-77 is only two lanes on each side until it reaches I-485. Not to mention the interstate and intrastate commuters coming from Virginia and points north, along with I-40. Similar situation with I-77 in south Charlotte heading north. It is almost always backed up.
Probably because it is closer to the center city than I-85 is.

You are correct. HOT lanes are coming to 77 north of Charlotte, I believe.
And if a widening should occur south of there, they should build HOT lanes on that stretch as well.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: WashuOtaku on October 20, 2015, 09:47:09 PM
You are correct. HOT lanes are coming to 77 north of Charlotte, I believe.
And if a widening should occur south of there, they should build HOT lanes on that stretch as well.

That is actually planned.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Mileage Mike on October 21, 2015, 10:19:57 PM
The planned rebuilding of I-77 from Uptown to the SC state line will be the single largest and most complicated project ever undertaken by the NCDOT. All bridges will have to be torn down and replaced along with a large amount of commercial property purchased. Right now they're talking about 2 additional toll lanes added on each side bringing the total highway to 10 lanes with construction starting in 2024. Possible costs might exceed $1B.

http://www.heraldonline.com/news/local/article12316673.html
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: brownpelican on October 21, 2015, 11:51:15 PM
Good to see that 77 in Charlotte will match 77 in York County.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 22, 2015, 09:53:57 AM
As they say, "Charlotte's got a lot".
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Henry on October 22, 2015, 12:40:14 PM
The planned rebuilding of I-77 from Uptown to the SC state line will be the single largest and most complicated project ever undertaken by the NCDOT. All bridges will have to be torn down and replaced along with a large amount of commercial property purchased. Right now they're talking about 2 additional toll lanes added on each side bringing the total highway to 10 lanes with construction starting in 2024. Possible costs might exceed $1B.
There they go, pissing off Atlanta again! Copycatting the Downtown Connector is a sure way to do that to their archrival. (But wait a minute, there aren't any toll lanes on I-75/I-85 yet, are there?)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Third Strike on October 22, 2015, 10:30:00 PM
The planned rebuilding of I-77 from Uptown to the SC state line will be the single largest and most complicated project ever undertaken by the NCDOT. All bridges will have to be torn down and replaced along with a large amount of commercial property purchased. Right now they're talking about 2 additional toll lanes added on each side bringing the total highway to 10 lanes with construction starting in 2024. Possible costs might exceed $1B.

http://www.heraldonline.com/news/local/article12316673.html

Does anybody know if the Tyvola interchange will have to be rebuilt? To my understanding, the interchange was updated to a single-point urban interchange back in the early 2000s. I use to pass by it everyday, and I'm wondering if it is possible to squeeze in two more lanes on each sides.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 23, 2015, 03:16:04 AM
The planned rebuilding of I-77 from Uptown to the SC state line will be the single largest and most complicated project ever undertaken by the NCDOT. All bridges will have to be torn down and replaced along with a large amount of commercial property purchased. Right now they're talking about 2 additional toll lanes added on each side bringing the total highway to 10 lanes with construction starting in 2024. Possible costs might exceed $1B.

http://www.heraldonline.com/news/local/article12316673.html

Does anybody know if the Tyvola interchange will have to be rebuilt? To my understanding, the interchange was updated to a single-point urban interchange back in the early 2000s. I use to pass by it everyday, and I'm wondering if it is possible to squeeze in two more lanes on each sides.

They can easily squeeze in 1 more lane on each side for sure.  2 might be pushing it since I bet they want a 'buffer' between the toll and normal lanes.  Might have to shrink all the lanes a foot to pull it off, especially on the SB side.

https://goo.gl/maps/EN8Sgse7eeL2
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Henry on October 23, 2015, 12:44:10 PM
The planned rebuilding of I-77 from Uptown to the SC state line will be the single largest and most complicated project ever undertaken by the NCDOT. All bridges will have to be torn down and replaced along with a large amount of commercial property purchased. Right now they're talking about 2 additional toll lanes added on each side bringing the total highway to 10 lanes with construction starting in 2024. Possible costs might exceed $1B.

http://www.heraldonline.com/news/local/article12316673.html

Does anybody know if the Tyvola interchange will have to be rebuilt? To my understanding, the interchange was updated to a single-point urban interchange back in the early 2000s. I use to pass by it everyday, and I'm wondering if it is possible to squeeze in two more lanes on each sides.

They can easily squeeze in 1 more lane on each side for sure.  2 might be pushing it since I bet they want a 'buffer' between the toll and normal lanes.  Might have to shrink all the lanes a foot to pull it off, especially on the SB side.

https://goo.gl/maps/EN8Sgse7eeL2
It'll be interesting to see how they handle the interchange in the widening project. Rebuilding it twice within a span of 20 years makes absolutely no sense.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: WashuOtaku on October 24, 2015, 12:58:37 PM
They can easily squeeze in 1 more lane on each side for sure.  2 might be pushing it since I bet they want a 'buffer' between the toll and normal lanes.  Might have to shrink all the lanes a foot to pull it off, especially on the SB side.

https://goo.gl/maps/EN8Sgse7eeL2

I doubt the FHWA would grant a waiver to that.  The documentation on NCDOT website calls for one toll lane each direction, if curious.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Mileage Mike on November 06, 2015, 06:43:11 PM
They'll probably have to tear down that Tyvola interchange. There's virtually no room in the median to expand and it doesn't look like two more can fit on the outside of the current lanes.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Mileage Mike on November 14, 2015, 11:02:13 AM
Construction to begin on I-77 toll lanes on Monday

http://www.wcnc.com/story/news/local/2015/11/12/construction-on-i-77-toll-lanes-to-begin-monday/75652954/
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Third Strike on January 03, 2016, 03:08:02 PM
Does anybody know when the Idlewild interchange on Independence Blvd is going to reopen? Seems like they've been working on it forever, and the eastbound ramp still isn't finished. Not to mention work on the Sharon Amity interchange has finally resumed after almost a year. Is this project still slated to be completed by the end of 2016?
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Zzonkmiles on January 05, 2016, 11:06:44 PM
I believe one of the bridges that would be impacted by any I-77 widening is a railroad bridge near Tyvola Road. I have no clue how THAT would work.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Third Strike on January 06, 2016, 04:57:00 PM
Every single overpass will have to be torn down for I-77. The only way the Tyvola interchange would survive is if they only decide to add just two lanes to the project. As it stands, the NCDOT wants to add four, two on each side, and very likely auxiliary lanes as well. I believe this project will be one of the most expensive projects ever taken on by the NCDOT. The road essentially has to be rebuilt, along with ROW acquisition. I'm also wondering if the toll lanes will link with certain interchanges, like the I-485 one.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: brownpelican on January 08, 2016, 01:58:42 PM
A judge has ruled to continue with the Widen 77's lawsuit (http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/i-77-toll-lanes-developer-forges-ahead-project/npzW3/) against the construction of toll lanes on I-77 in northern Mecklenburg County. The group wanted the proceedings delayed until "the political process" is worked out.

Construction is continuing despite the legal and political arguments.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 08, 2016, 04:14:19 PM
Does anyone think the lawsuit will eventually stop the lanes from being completed?
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Mileage Mike on January 11, 2016, 02:49:17 AM
Maybe they should put I-73/74 on indefinite hold until they can figure out how to divert those funds to constructing free lanes along I-77.  After all, one of those projects is far more important than the other.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: CanesFan27 on January 11, 2016, 12:24:36 PM
Maybe they should put I-73/74 on indefinite hold until they can figure out how to divert those funds to constructing free lanes along I-77.  After all, one of those projects is far more important than the other.

Well if you want to do that - then widening 95 to six lanes should be first
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: froggie on January 11, 2016, 12:53:49 PM
By which metric?
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: The Nature Boy on January 11, 2016, 01:14:16 PM
It depends on what NCDOT values:

Widening I-95 helps people get through the state more quickly. But I-95 mainly serves Fayetteville and the poor parts of eastern NC so I can see why it isn't an especially high priority. Making traffic flow through Charlotte might be a higher priority since I assume that more North Carolinians will benefit.

It's a classic urban vs. rural funding question though. I-95 is very important to people in say Halifax, Nash or Johnston counties but the rest of the state really gets little benefit. For those people though, I-95 is important. The argument for Charlotte is that more free-flowing traffic might encourage businesses to relocate to the area and will facilitate its growth.

NCDOT could benefit both rural and urban NC by building a southern tier freeway using what has already been built for I-74 between Rockingham and Lumberton. It would connect Wilmington and southeastern NC to Charlotte and better connecting Charlotte to western NC and Asheville. I imagine that you'd see more sprawl into Union and Gaston Counties with the building of an east-west interstate highway through the area and it might alleviate some of the sprawl in Cabarrus County and northern Mecklenburg County.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: brownpelican on January 21, 2016, 01:21:25 AM
The CRTPO voted (http://www.wcnc.com/story/news/politics/2016/01/20/s-official--77-toll-lanes-go/79095448/) Wednesday night in favor of the I-77 toll lanes project.

Work is already underway on the project.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: The Ghostbuster on January 22, 2016, 04:31:25 PM
Does anyone know if toll lanes are coming to any other parts of Charlotte's freeway system?
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: froggie on January 22, 2016, 07:55:53 PM
Probably.  ETL's (as Maryland calls them) are proposed for parts of I-485 (http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/I-5507/) and two (http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/U-5526/) sections (http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/U-2509/) of US 74.  In addition, the Monroe bypass (http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/monroeconnector/) is currently under construction and will be a toll road.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: WashuOtaku on January 24, 2016, 08:34:46 AM
Does anyone know if toll lanes are coming to any other parts of Charlotte's freeway system?

Toll lane will also be on I-485, between US 74 and I-77/US 21, and on US 74 (Independence Frwy/Blvd).  These will be operated by NCDOT, thus not have the same issues as the I-77 lanes constructed by Cintra.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: froggie on January 24, 2016, 11:03:35 AM
Did you not see my response, Washu? (complete with links to the project websites)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: noelbotevera on January 24, 2016, 11:05:54 AM
Long ago, I don't really recall I-77 having heavy traffic. Has Charlotte grown massively after ten years?
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: ModernDayWarrior on January 24, 2016, 07:00:10 PM
Long ago, I don't really recall I-77 having heavy traffic. Has Charlotte grown massively after ten years?


Just out of curiosity, how can you possibly remember what Charlotte traffic was like ten years ago?

But yes, the Charlotte area is growing rapidly, as is the state of North Carolina in general.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on January 24, 2016, 07:12:36 PM
I remember Charlotte traffic 20 years ago!
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: noelbotevera on January 24, 2016, 07:50:40 PM
Long ago, I don't really recall I-77 having heavy traffic. Has Charlotte grown massively after ten years?


Just out of curiosity, how can you possibly remember what Charlotte traffic was like ten years ago?
I got a deep memory of my adventures of North Carolina.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: froggie on January 24, 2016, 07:56:42 PM
Which suggests that you aren't the age you claim to be...
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: noelbotevera on January 24, 2016, 08:56:21 PM
Which suggests that you aren't the age you claim to be...
No, my age is correct, but sometimes I just have that good of a memory. I was in fact around one year old when we visited Charlotte.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: US71 on January 24, 2016, 09:07:02 PM
Which suggests that you aren't the age you claim to be...
No, my age is correct, but sometimes I just have that good of a memory. I was in fact around one year old when we visited Charlotte.

Yet IMDB says you've been a member since October 2001, unless there's another noelbotevera out there?
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: noelbotevera on January 24, 2016, 09:12:17 PM
Which suggests that you aren't the age you claim to be...
No, my age is correct, but sometimes I just have that good of a memory. I was in fact around one year old when we visited Charlotte.

Yet IMDB says you've been a member since October 2001, unless there's another noelbotevera out there?
That's my dad.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Rothman on January 26, 2016, 08:51:21 AM
Which suggests that you aren't the age you claim to be...


Lots more of his posts have suggested that.

Frankly, I find it creepy that someone would pretend to be an 11-year old.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on September 12, 2016, 12:29:53 AM
I crossed over I-77 today on the NC 150 overpass.  At that point 77's entire median had been final graded.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Rothman on September 12, 2016, 01:01:30 PM
Which suggests that you aren't the age you claim to be...


Lots more of his posts have suggested that.

Frankly, I find it creepy that someone would pretend to be an 11-year old.

Seems we were wrong. :D
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: The Ghostbuster on September 13, 2016, 07:40:50 PM
I could be wrong, so wrong!

Lyrics from Maybe, Maybe
By A-ha
Album: Scoundrel Days
Year: 1986
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on September 13, 2016, 10:25:10 PM
I am too lazy to look it up, but where is the northern limit of the I-77 work?
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: noelbotevera on September 17, 2016, 05:38:01 PM
I am too lazy to look it up, but where is the northern limit of the I-77 work?
If you mean the express lanes, it ends at Exit 36.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Third Strike on October 02, 2016, 07:30:56 PM
Has there been any updates on the US 74 widening project in Charlotte? Original completion date was October 2016, but there's still a ton of work to be done, especially around the Sharon Amity interchange. I'm guessing Spring of 2017 at this rate?
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: wriddle082 on October 03, 2016, 02:16:40 AM
Has there been any updates on the US 74 widening project in Charlotte? Original completion date was October 2016, but there's still a ton of work to be done, especially around the Sharon Amity interchange. I'm guessing Spring of 2017 at this rate?

I remember hearing that the original contractor defaulted back around the beginning of this year, and NCDOT had to find another contractor.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jpi on October 04, 2016, 12:50:13 AM
Which suggests that you aren't the age you claim to be...

Actually, he is the age that he says he is, he was at my road meet and his dad this past April, his real name is Alex.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jpi on October 04, 2016, 12:52:06 AM
Now to get back on topic, last time I passed through Charlotte was in 2008 and even then I can tell it had grown significantly grown since the mid 90's when I travelled through there regularly on road trips back and forth from York, PA to Columbia\ Sumter, SC
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Rothman on October 04, 2016, 11:35:58 AM
Which suggests that you aren't the age you claim to be...

Actually, he is the age that he says he is, he was at my road meet and his dad this past April, his real name is [deleted].

Dude...some people prefer to be anonymous on here.  Not cool to out their real name, even in defense of their age. :D
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jpi on October 04, 2016, 03:40:48 PM
Which suggests that you aren't the age you claim to be...

Actually, he is the age that he says he is, he was at my road meet and his dad this past April, his real name is Alex.

Dude...some people prefer to be anonymous on here.  Not cool to out their real name, even in defense of their age. :D
Good point, just defending the little guy. :)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: froggie on October 05, 2016, 09:20:01 PM
That was also several months ago, before anybody had met him...
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: noelbotevera on October 05, 2016, 09:49:02 PM
Which suggests that you aren't the age you claim to be...

Actually, he is the age that he says he is, he was at my road meet and his dad this past April, his real name is Alex.

Dude...some people prefer to be anonymous on here.  Not cool to out their real name, even in defense of their age. :D
Good point, just defending the little guy. :)
Nah, I don't care. In fact, I prefer being called my real name because it's a bit confusing using my dad's name. So feel free to call me Alex.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: VTGoose on December 02, 2016, 11:59:13 AM
I am too lazy to look it up, but where is the northern limit of the I-77 work?
If you mean the express lanes, it ends at Exit 36.

This looks like a make-work project that will be drawn out for a while to keep people employed. It will be nice when it is done, though. We came through there northbound on Thursday and it looked like they were having some kind of malfunction in the middle of the project (sorry, don't have the exact location other than north of exit 35). It looks like the roadway is in place all through there with work being done on median dividers, etc. -- except where there was a sinkhole that took out part of the lanes.

Also, we had the misfortune of having to travel I-77 on the afternoon before Thanksgiving (not my choice but unavoidable). Traffic was pretty jammed up from around Troutman until we got on I-485 to get around Charlotte, until we got into a small back-up to get back on I-77 (not anything like the jam to get on I-85 from I-485). We also sat in traffic coming back north due to a bad wreck on the southbound side on one of the bridges over Lake Norman (rubberneckers, I guess, had traffic moving slowly north). While it may be a bit out of the way, is I-85 approaching Charlotte from say, Salisbury, the same malfunction? Does it get jammed up/locked up or are there enough alternate routes to take care of diverted traffic? My thought is to jog over to Winston-Salem via I-74/U.S. 52, then continue south on 52 to hit I-85 at Lexington, then take that to I-485 and on around Charlotte.

Bruce in Blacksburg
 
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Third Strike on December 17, 2016, 02:49:46 PM
The NCDOT has updated the status of the US 74 widening project in southeast Charlotte. Looks like the project won't be completed until sometime next Summer. That's around the same time work on the express lane project on I-485 in southern Charlotte will commence. And that shortens the break, as construction on the remaining segment of US 74 in Charlotte/Matthews will happen about four years later.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: ccurley100 on March 02, 2017, 08:08:42 PM
Lowe's is the reason why traffic is so screwed up between Mooresville and Huntersville in the afternoon.  My sister works for a realtor in Mooresville and lives near Birkdale in Huntersville.  There are some days when it takes her an hour or more to make the 12 mile trip.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: wriddle082 on March 02, 2017, 10:32:47 PM
Lowe's is the reason why traffic is so screwed up between Mooresville and Huntersville in the afternoon.  My sister works for a realtor in Mooresville and lives near Birkdale in Huntersville.  There are some days when it takes her an hour or more to make the 12 mile trip.

Welcome to the forum!
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on March 02, 2017, 11:24:02 PM
I had to visit a couple of the retail locations for the company I work for.  Wanted to note that property demolition is well underway and ROW clearing is just starting where the US 74 North Shelby freeway will cross NC 18.

Also that demolition is occurring at the NE quadrant of I-85 and US 321 for whatever project manager is happening there.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: OracleUsr on March 03, 2017, 06:45:19 AM
I dread going across the lake in the afternoons; I-77 Southbound at Langtree is a nightmare.  Granted, my wife and i don't do so even every week, but when we do it's never good.  Always a relief when we reach the Davidson exit
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on July 23, 2018, 03:58:19 PM
Iíd like to revive this thread, to at least announce that on Facebook I have posted pictures of the I-77 Express Lane project, from southern end all way up to the Northern End.

Its in SE Roads group and Freeway Jim
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: VTGoose on July 24, 2018, 09:15:44 AM
Iíd like to revive this thread, to at least announce that on Facebook I have posted pictures of the I-77 Express Lane project, from southern end all way up to the Northern End.

We were just there this weekend for an anniversary celebration and stayed near the Northlake Mall (convenient to The Melting Pot in Huntersville). For something different we went down I-74/U.S. 52 through Winston-Salem and on to I-85 (worked to get us to Concord Mills). Sat in traffic at the never-ending construction on I-85 (same traffic we ran into a few years ago when taking the same route). Looked at almost-standstill traffic in the southbound lanes of I-77 late Saturday afternoon while heading north to Huntersville (came back on Statesville Rd. to avoid the interstate -- much easier trip -- but what is the plan for four-laning the stretch under I-485?). Fought our way through the construction on I-77 going south on Sunday and back again (headed to the new First Watch in Matthews for breakfast -- always worth the drive for First Watch). After multiple trips through Charlotte over the past three years (heading to and from Tampa) I still see no rhyme or reason to how the work is being done or what the end result will be. At times, there are multiple lanes paved but only two or three are in use, then on another trip the lanes have shifted for no reason. Construction seems to move from place to place, also, instead of being done in some rational order. It looks like an extended make-work project to keep people employed for some time into the future.

Bruce in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on July 24, 2018, 09:45:36 AM
Iíd like to revive this thread, to at least announce that on Facebook I have posted pictures of the I-77 Express Lane project, from southern end all way up to the Northern End.

We were just there this weekend for an anniversary celebration and stayed near the Northlake Mall (convenient to The Melting Pot in Huntersville). For something different we went down I-74/U.S. 52 through Winston-Salem and on to I-85 (worked to get us to Concord Mills). Sat in traffic at the never-ending construction on I-85 (same traffic we ran into a few years ago when taking the same route). Looked at almost-standstill traffic in the southbound lanes of I-77 late Saturday afternoon while heading north to Huntersville (came back on Statesville Rd. to avoid the interstate -- much easier trip -- but what is the plan for four-laning the stretch under I-485?). Fought our way through the construction on I-77 going south on Sunday and back again (headed to the new First Watch in Matthews for breakfast -- always worth the drive for First Watch). After multiple trips through Charlotte over the past three years (heading to and from Tampa) I still see no rhyme or reason to how the work is being done or what the end result will be. At times, there are multiple lanes paved but only two or three are in use, then on another trip the lanes have shifted for no reason. Construction seems to move from place to place, also, instead of being done in some rational order. It looks like an extended make-work project to keep people employed for some time into the future.

Bruce in Blacksburg


I donít disagree with you on any of that lol.

52/85 is the best connection from W-S to charlotte, especially once the new lanes through Kannapolis/Concord are complete (and all of them free lol).

I live and work in Huntersville, so fortunately I donít depend on 77 (merely cross over it two/three times a day) but the express lanes will be a benefit when I do need to go into town and uptown.

To your point about the projectís progress, another outstanding point. I have no idea how it will be completed on time, just blind faith lol.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: wdcrft63 on August 15, 2018, 06:11:40 PM
" [Today] Transportation Secretary Jim Trogdon laid out his proposed path forward for the I-77 express lanes project that responds to concerns voiced by residents of north Mecklenburg County and feedback from the I-77 local advisory group. The I-77 contract was signed by the previous administration, and todayís plan lays out the eventual objective for North Carolina to operate the project with clear steps that can be taken to help people more immediately."
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2018/2018-08-15-i-77-express-lanes.aspx
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on August 16, 2018, 07:28:47 AM
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article216674435.html
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on August 19, 2018, 12:05:50 PM
It took a couple examinations of the project renderings, but I have made some notes about where toll gantries will be along I-77 HOT lanes.

The reasoning for this is two fold, one, to be aware of where they are given I live smack dab in middle of the project, and two, to make everyone here aware because through all my searches there isn't a user-friendly map anywhere on the project sites. (Good examples are maps of the Tri-Ex showing each gantry and the Monroe Expressway also showing gantry locations)

Working from South to North, there are 5 SB and 5 NB gantries in Mecklenburg Co.
- 1 each at the foot of the direct connector off of I-277, just north of the Oaklawn Av Bridge
- 1 SB just north of Cindy Ln, 1 NB just south of Sunset Rd, maybe MP 15?
- 1 SB, 1 NB, each are between MP 16-18, but south of the Lakeview Dr Connector
- 1 SB, 1 NB each are between MP 21-23, but south of Mt Holly/Htsville bridge and N of Hambright Connector
- 1 SB Exit 25 Sam Furr, south of exit ramp but still north of the SF Bridge itself
- 1 NB, north of Sam Furr, south of Westmoreland bridge, MP 26 possibly?

In Iredell Co, I count 2 SB and 1 NB (this is where I might solicit conversation here, because that doesn't balance out)
- 1 SB, 1 NB  each are between MP 31-33, but south of Fairview Rd 90 deg turn parallel to 77
- 1 SB just south of Exit 35 (Brawley School), north of the short Lake Norman bridge

So it would make sense if there was one more NB gantry, but I missed it in my study. Anyone care to help? Or maybe there isn't one after all.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on August 30, 2018, 09:16:27 AM
On September 13-

"With I-77 Express set to open in late 2018, I-77 Mobility Partners will hold a public hearing to provide a presentation on toll pricing methodology and initial toll rates. Those persons wishing to comment about the proposed toll rates at the hearing must register at the venue prior to 7:00 p.m."

It will be at Huntersville United Methodist Church, Huntersville, NC. You will want to be there by 6:30 to register.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: VTGoose on November 07, 2018, 03:45:42 PM
On September 13-

"With I-77 Express set to open in late 2018 . . .

I want what he's drinking. We made a weekend trip to the Charlotte airport (cheaper to fly 5 of us to middle son's wedding in Key West than to fly out of Roanoke), which covered I-77 south to the I-85 junction. There are now toll gantries in place in several locations and lots and lots of new (and covered) signs. But there is still a lot of construction, lane shifts, and rough pavement. If the lanes are supposed to open by the end of the year there will have to be around-the-clock work going on or maybe the plan is to move traffic to the newly paved toll lanes (and charge?) while the other lanes are paved. At any rate, this has been the most screwed-up and convoluted construction project I have ever seen. If there were a better way to get from Blacksburg to the west coast of Florida, I would take it (I've looked at I-74 but it goes east at Rockingham to hit I-95, which is too far out of the way; U.S. 52 and/or NC/SC 38 just don't look like fast routes).

Bruce in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on November 08, 2018, 09:45:43 AM
On September 13-

"With I-77 Express set to open in late 2018 . . .

I want what he's drinking. We made a weekend trip to the Charlotte airport (cheaper to fly 5 of us to middle son's wedding in Key West than to fly out of Roanoke), which covered I-77 south to the I-85 junction. There are now toll gantries in place in several locations and lots and lots of new (and covered) signs. But there is still a lot of construction, lane shifts, and rough pavement. If the lanes are supposed to open by the end of the year there will have to be around-the-clock work going on or maybe the plan is to move traffic to the newly paved toll lanes (and charge?) while the other lanes are paved. At any rate, this has been the most screwed-up and convoluted construction project I have ever seen. If there were a better way to get from Blacksburg to the west coast of Florida, I would take it (I've looked at I-74 but it goes east at Rockingham to hit I-95, which is too far out of the way; U.S. 52 and/or NC/SC 38 just don't look like fast routes).

Bruce in Blacksburg


That line was from a direct quote. I live on I-77, and I agree with you on every point. There's now talk it will open in "segments" which was not the original intentions.

For example, the direct connector from Hambright Rd won't open until Summer 2019, even as the lanes are open throughout the project (MM 11-36)

I have not found any news or articles about which segments will open and when that will be...and I've even been by the new customer service centers for NC Turnpike Authority in both Monroe and Charlotte, and they are as clueless about it. (Not to say they aren't helpful, they are, and the first project that *will* make its opening on time is the Monroe Expressway)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on November 14, 2018, 08:06:20 AM
http://www.fox46charlotte.com/news/local-news/i-77-toll-lane-project-will-not-open-by-end-of-2018-as-planned-officials-confirm

A follow up to my comment on 11/08, but vague on details :-/
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: VTGoose on November 14, 2018, 08:46:47 AM
http://www.fox46charlotte.com/news/local-news/i-77-toll-lane-project-will-not-open-by-end-of-2018-as-planned-officials-confirm

A follow up to my comment on 11/08, but vague on details :-/

<gomer pyle>Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!</gomer pyle>

Details? Anyone who has driven through that abomination can see that the contractor(s) failed that construction management class. It would be interesting to find out how the managers determined which random section would be worked on -- dart board? turn of a playing card? blindfolded pointing to a map?

It was interesting to read one of the related stories attached to the above story, about how the contractor put in 8 miles of median barrier without rebar.
Quote
The concrete barrier wall being built from exit 28 to exit 36 is being replaced after a major mishap in construction.

"What's upsetting is that it's going to go on even longer because they obviously don't know what they're doing," said Shannon Horne.

Sugar Creek Construction built the first barrier wall without steel rebar, according to the North Carolina Department of Transportation.

Shannon is one smart person -- too bad she didn't work for NCDOT when these contracts were being let.

It will be interesting to see the "progress" next week as we head south for Thanksgiving.

Bruce in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Henry on November 14, 2018, 09:48:01 AM
On September 13-

"With I-77 Express set to open in late 2018 . . .

I want what he's drinking. We made a weekend trip to the Charlotte airport (cheaper to fly 5 of us to middle son's wedding in Key West than to fly out of Roanoke), which covered I-77 south to the I-85 junction. There are now toll gantries in place in several locations and lots and lots of new (and covered) signs. But there is still a lot of construction, lane shifts, and rough pavement. If the lanes are supposed to open by the end of the year there will have to be around-the-clock work going on or maybe the plan is to move traffic to the newly paved toll lanes (and charge?) while the other lanes are paved. At any rate, this has been the most screwed-up and convoluted construction project I have ever seen. If there were a better way to get from Blacksburg to the west coast of Florida, I would take it (I've looked at I-74 but it goes east at Rockingham to hit I-95, which is too far out of the way; U.S. 52 and/or NC/SC 38 just don't look like fast routes).

Bruce in Blacksburg


That line was from a direct quote. I live on I-77, and I agree with you on every point. There's now talk it will open in "segments" which was not the original intentions.

For example, the direct connector from Hambright Rd won't open until Summer 2019, even as the lanes are open throughout the project (MM 11-36)

I have not found any news or articles about which segments will open and when that will be...and I've even been by the new customer service centers for NC Turnpike Authority in both Monroe and Charlotte, and they are as clueless about it. (Not to say they aren't helpful, they are, and the first project that *will* make its opening on time is the Monroe Expressway)
http://www.fox46charlotte.com/news/local-news/i-77-toll-lane-project-will-not-open-by-end-of-2018-as-planned-officials-confirm

A follow up to my comment on 11/08, but vague on details :-/

<gomer pyle>Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!</gomer pyle>

Details? Anyone who has driven through that abomination can see that the contractor(s) failed that construction management class. It would be interesting to find out how the managers determined which random section would be worked on -- dart board? turn of a playing card? blindfolded pointing to a map?

It was interesting to read one of the related stories attached to the above story, about how the contractor put in 8 miles of median barrier without rebar.
Quote
The concrete barrier wall being built from exit 28 to exit 36 is being replaced after a major mishap in construction.

"What's upsetting is that it's going to go on even longer because they obviously don't know what they're doing," said Shannon Horne.

Sugar Creek Construction built the first barrier wall without steel rebar, according to the North Carolina Department of Transportation.

Shannon is one smart person -- too bad she didn't work for NCDOT when these contracts were being let.

It will be interesting to see the "progress" next week as we head south for Thanksgiving.

Bruce in Blacksburg

This is the kind of BS that I'd expect in Chicago, given how crooked their government is.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: mvak36 on November 14, 2018, 11:58:52 AM
http://www.fox46charlotte.com/news/local-news/i-77-toll-lane-project-will-not-open-by-end-of-2018-as-planned-officials-confirm

A follow up to my comment on 11/08, but vague on details :-/

<gomer pyle>Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!</gomer pyle>

Details? Anyone who has driven through that abomination can see that the contractor(s) failed that construction management class. It would be interesting to find out how the managers determined which random section would be worked on -- dart board? turn of a playing card? blindfolded pointing to a map?

It was interesting to read one of the related stories attached to the above story, about how the contractor put in 8 miles of median barrier without rebar.
Quote
The concrete barrier wall being built from exit 28 to exit 36 is being replaced after a major mishap in construction.

"What's upsetting is that it's going to go on even longer because they obviously don't know what they're doing," said Shannon Horne.

Sugar Creek Construction built the first barrier wall without steel rebar, according to the North Carolina Department of Transportation.

Shannon is one smart person -- too bad she didn't work for NCDOT when these contracts were being let.

It will be interesting to see the "progress" next week as we head south for Thanksgiving.

Bruce in Blacksburg

Is it too late to buy that company out and let the NC Turnpike authority run these toll lanes?
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: TimQuiQui on November 14, 2018, 12:40:22 PM
According to the DOT, yes, a buyout is likely. The state has expressed a willingness to buy them out and convert one of the toll lanes to general purpose, but insisted they can't do that until the state does all it's scoring and calculations for the next STIP to determine a horizion year. Which to say the least has been met with skepticism from local leaders who feel since NCDOT created this disaster, maybe NCDOT should treat this as a special case to solve it faster. I'm sure that discontment will only grow with this new development.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Mileage Mike on November 21, 2018, 03:12:59 PM
I am too lazy to look it up, but where is the northern limit of the I-77 work?
If you mean the express lanes, it ends at Exit 36.

This looks like a make-work project that will be drawn out for a while to keep people employed. It will be nice when it is done, though. We came through there northbound on Thursday and it looked like they were having some kind of malfunction in the middle of the project (sorry, don't have the exact location other than north of exit 35). It looks like the roadway is in place all through there with work being done on median dividers, etc. -- except where there was a sinkhole that took out part of the lanes.

Also, we had the misfortune of having to travel I-77 on the afternoon before Thanksgiving (not my choice but unavoidable). Traffic was pretty jammed up from around Troutman until we got on I-485 to get around Charlotte, until we got into a small back-up to get back on I-77 (not anything like the jam to get on I-85 from I-485). We also sat in traffic coming back north due to a bad wreck on the southbound side on one of the bridges over Lake Norman (rubberneckers, I guess, had traffic moving slowly north). While it may be a bit out of the way, is I-85 approaching Charlotte from say, Salisbury, the same malfunction? Does it get jammed up/locked up or are there enough alternate routes to take care of diverted traffic? My thought is to jog over to Winston-Salem via I-74/U.S. 52, then continue south on 52 to hit I-85 at Lexington, then take that to I-485 and on around Charlotte.

Bruce in Blacksburg

The portion between the 77/485 interchange north of Uptown Charlotte is part of the current toll lane construction. The portion from Uptown south to the SC state line is going to be a massive project calling for 10 lanes (5 in each direction) and probably wonít be completed in the next 5 years. Last I heard from CDOT officials it was still being debated whether the additional 2 lanes should be both tolled or 1 tolled and 1 free.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on November 21, 2018, 04:31:18 PM
I am too lazy to look it up, but where is the northern limit of the I-77 work?
If you mean the express lanes, it ends at Exit 36.

This looks like a make-work project that will be drawn out for a while to keep people employed. It will be nice when it is done, though. We came through there northbound on Thursday and it looked like they were having some kind of malfunction in the middle of the project (sorry, don't have the exact location other than north of exit 35). It looks like the roadway is in place all through there with work being done on median dividers, etc. -- except where there was a sinkhole that took out part of the lanes.

Also, we had the misfortune of having to travel I-77 on the afternoon before Thanksgiving (not my choice but unavoidable). Traffic was pretty jammed up from around Troutman until we got on I-485 to get around Charlotte, until we got into a small back-up to get back on I-77 (not anything like the jam to get on I-85 from I-485). We also sat in traffic coming back north due to a bad wreck on the southbound side on one of the bridges over Lake Norman (rubberneckers, I guess, had traffic moving slowly north). While it may be a bit out of the way, is I-85 approaching Charlotte from say, Salisbury, the same malfunction? Does it get jammed up/locked up or are there enough alternate routes to take care of diverted traffic? My thought is to jog over to Winston-Salem via I-74/U.S. 52, then continue south on 52 to hit I-85 at Lexington, then take that to I-485 and on around Charlotte.

Bruce in Blacksburg

The portion between the 77/485 interchange north of Uptown Charlotte is part of the current toll lane construction. The portion from Uptown south to the SC state line is going to be a massive project calling for 10 lanes (5 in each direction) and probably wonít be completed in the next 5 years. Last I heard from CDOT officials it was still being debated whether the additional 2 lanes should be both tolled or 1 tolled and 1 free.

Miles 11-36 (I-277 intersection being the southern end) is the toll project.

But because its so far behind, its now going to open in segments, which wasnít the original intentions. Uggghh
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on November 22, 2018, 11:26:06 AM
One more thing for clarification if itís needed....

The construction on I-85 from Salisbury to Concord are additional free lanes, and will make I-85 continuous 6+ lanes a side from 40/85 split near Chapel Hill all the way south and west of Gastonia/Kings Mountain.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on December 02, 2018, 09:08:32 PM
I drove the entire toll lane project stretch tonight, couple surprises...

- separators are already plugged randomly between exits 28 and 33, which feels like a good sign that it's in the final phase of lane placement, but they are still way behind schedule, as there are many BGS off one of the ramps waiting to be installed.

- Exit 30 looks done, but my view was only from the interstate up on the bridge, and according to the emails, should be in final phases.

- South of I-485 it doesn't look a hair different than a month ago. No gantries going up yet, no traffic shifts different than I remember.


This entire thing is so botched up and mis-managed. It was correctly pointed out the other day that the Monroe Expressway started after this project, and opened earlier!
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on January 19, 2019, 11:11:46 PM
I-77 Express: January Construction Update
REMINDER: Please be careful; all of the I-77 Express 26-mile project is currently under construction. Safety is our number one goal. Motorists are encouraged to pay attention when approaching the work zone, adjust their driving to the road conditions, obey the posted speed limit and work zone signs, and allow extra time to reach their destinations safely. Pedestrians are also encouraged to be extra cautious, cross at a designated pedestrian crossings and obey the posted work zone signs.
 
Progress on I-77 Express continues and is on track to help make travel easier in the Charlotte and Lake Norman region. Below is a look at the construction activities happening this month:


- Sign installation, landscaping and other aesthetic improvements will occur near Griffith Street and Williamson Road in Mooresville.
 
- Crews continue final paving efforts on the Exit 30 off-ramp of I-77 Northbound. Contingent on temperature requirements, the final layers of pavement are anticipated to be placed in February, followed by the completion of the  final sidewalk and curb.
 
- Surface milling and final asphalt is being placed for the on-ramp and off-ramp at Exit 28 Catawba Avenue in Cornelius.
 

- Concrete deck work is completed for the Hambright Road Direct Connector bridge in Huntersville. Rail installation and retaining wall work will continue during February.
 
- Lane pavement and concrete barrier construction continue on northbound and southbound I-77 Express from Lakeview Road to W.T. Harris Boulevard.
 
- Beam installation is completed for the Lakeview Road Direct Connector bridge in Charlotte. Deck panel placement is the next step in preparation for the concrete deck pour.
 
- Final asphalt will be placed on the on-ramp to southbound I-77 from Lasalle Street in Charlotte during the upcoming weeks.
 
- Storm water drainage installation and retaining wall construction between Lasalle Street and Oaklawn Avenue will occur throughout January and February in Charlotte.

- Continued sound wall installation in the areas of Oaklawn Avenue and the I-77/I-277 interchange will last through spring 2019.
 
- The ramp from I-277 Westbound to I-77 Southbound is closed as crews work on the new ramp that will take its place in uptown Charlotte. Weather permitting, the new ramp is anticipated to open by February. 
 
- Concrete deck pours will occur on the new bridges within the I-277/I-77 interchange through January in uptown Charlotte.
 

I hope some may find it useful to have these posts quarterly until the project is finished!
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on February 13, 2019, 05:26:25 PM
https://www.wfae.org/post/new-i-277-ramp-i-77-opens-after-4-month-detour#stream/0


First article I have found to associate an actual date on the calendar for Express Lane opening! (April 1, Northern Segment)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on March 22, 2019, 02:38:27 PM
*** TRAFFIC ADVISORY ***
TESTING OF ELECTRONIC SIGNS BEGINS ON I-77 EXPRESS
 
Charlotte, N.C. (March 22, 2018) Ė Testing of electronic signs on I-77 between I-485 and Mooresville will begin the week of March 25. Motorists will see the digital message signs on the right-hand side of the road with rotating messages that read ďEXPRESS LANES ARE CLOSEDĒ and ďTEST.Ē
 
The toll signs above I-77 Express will also be tested. The toll signs will display numbers to conduct this testing. Drivers may also see test-related vehicles in I-77 Express as this testing is occurring. Each entrance onto I-77 Express will continue to be closed and blocked as the lanes are not in service during this testing period.
 
I-77 Express will open in sections, with the northern portion between Hambright Road in Huntersville and Exit 36 in Mooresville slated to open soon. When the northern section of the project opens, customers will receive a 25 percent promotional rate off tolls until the entire roadway opens.

To receive traffic advisory information and the latest information on the project, we encourage people to sign up for our e-newsletters: https://www.i77express.com/about-us/contact-us/

You can also follow us on social media at:
I-77 Mobility Partners on Facebook I-77 Express
I-77 Mobility Partners on Twitter @I77Express
 
I-77 Express runs adjacent to the existing general purpose lanes. The number of general purpose lanes will remain the same as today. Drivers will have the choice of using the express lanes to avoid travel delays, the general purpose lanes or a combination of both.

###
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Mileage Mike on March 22, 2019, 04:56:30 PM
Iím definitely ready to see how many people use the toll lanes once they open. I rarely drive that area as my commute is from Uptown to Ft. Mill, SC but I do normally notice heavy congestion between 277 and 85 on 77 as well as 77 north of 485.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on April 05, 2019, 01:18:04 PM
Here is a portion of the 2019 First Quarter Newsletter/Updates for I-77 Express Charlotte to Mooresville:

"We are excited to announce the northern portion of I-77 Express, between Hambright Road in Huntersville and Exit 36 in Mooresville, is opening soon. To ensure you have the information you need to be ready to Get There, take a moment to review this newsletter and begin planning all of the trips that you can make with reliable travel time.

Using I-77 Express
Take a virtual ride on I-77 Express before the toll lanes open. Visit our website, www.i77express.com, to travel along the corridor. Learn about the signs you will see, the vehicles allowed to use the lanes, how to merge into and from the express lanes, and how dynamic pricing works to keep traffic moving. You can also use the Plan Your Trip tool to map your travel along I-77 Express.
Signage
Signs displaying the rate of each segment will be strategically placed ľ mile ahead of each segment's  entry point to give motorists ample time to decide if I-77 Express is the best option for their trip.
The toll rate displayed when entering an I-77 Express segment is the price motorists will be charged for that segment.
Toll rates displayed on I-77 Express' signs will be the transponder rate. 
Additional digital message signs will alert drivers about traffic conditions ahead.
Toll Rates
Until the full opening of I-77 Express, customers will receive a promotional rate, which is an average 25 percent rate off the scheduled toll rates listed on the website. During the partial opening, roadway signs displaying toll rates for each segment of I-77 Express will reflect the promotional rate. The toll rate signs are located one-quarter mile before each segment entrance, so you can decide if the express lanes are the best option for your trip.
Dynamic Pricing
I-77 Express has 11 entry and 11 exit points in each direction. Having multiple segments and multiple entry and exit points allows more flexibility for I-77 Express users to plan their trips and pay only for the portions of I-77 Express they use. Toll segments vary in length and have different traffic patterns throughout the day, so based on those factors, rates will vary by segment, direction and time-period. The dynamic adjustment of toll rates allows I-77 Express to manage, in real time, varying traffic and demand conditions in order to maintain a minimum average speed that ranges from 48 to 56 mph, dependent upon the segment, as specified in contractual requirements and federal law."
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on May 21, 2019, 11:13:55 AM
https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/hov-lanes-on-i-77-what-you-need-to-know/949928287


Still no word on any opening announcement. Shocker as it must be.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on May 31, 2019, 03:31:27 PM
https://www.wfae.org/post/northern-section-i-77-toll-lane-project-opens-saturday#stream/0


Finally, an open date
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: sprjus4 on June 01, 2019, 10:43:53 PM
Lanes have officially opened today.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on June 04, 2019, 05:35:01 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-06-04-charlotte-center-extends-hours.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-06-04-charlotte-center-extends-hours.aspx)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: sprjus4 on June 13, 2019, 02:15:41 AM
https://www.wcnc.com/video/traffic/lots-of-complaints-about-new-i-77-toll-lanes/275-07eda71a-baea-4e37-a6fc-fce69e738a2d

The Express Lanes thus far have been a joke it seems. They had it coming for them though. What a joke of a project and waste of space. All those wide open lanes could be used to relief the congested I-77, but they are failing hard. It should've been a free general purpose 6-lane widening, then towards the southern end maybe 1 HO/T lane.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: orulz on June 13, 2019, 06:38:26 AM
https://www.wcnc.com/video/traffic/lots-of-complaints-about-new-i-77-toll-lanes/275-07eda71a-baea-4e37-a6fc-fce69e738a2d

The Express Lanes thus far have been a joke it seems. They had it coming for them though. What a joke of a project and waste of space. All those wide open lanes could be used to relief the congested I-77, but they are failing hard. It should've been a free general purpose 6-lane widening, then towards the southern end maybe 1 HO/T lane.
That is jumping to conclusions. It takes a while - maybe a year or so - for people to change habits. Just wait. And then the growth (induced demand) that always follows highway construction comes.

The lanes are not complete and the dynamic pricing is not turned on either.

We have a toll road here in the triangle, and while plenty of people "swore they'd never pay a *#$% toll" at first, and traffic/revenue were below projections for the first year, they are solidly above projection now, and people both love the road and don't care about the toll anymore.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: kevinb1994 on June 13, 2019, 09:50:34 AM
https://www.wcnc.com/video/traffic/lots-of-complaints-about-new-i-77-toll-lanes/275-07eda71a-baea-4e37-a6fc-fce69e738a2d (https://www.wcnc.com/video/traffic/lots-of-complaints-about-new-i-77-toll-lanes/275-07eda71a-baea-4e37-a6fc-fce69e738a2d)

The Express Lanes thus far have been a joke it seems. They had it coming for them though. What a joke of a project and waste of space. All those wide open lanes could be used to relief the congested I-77, but they are failing hard. It should've been a free general purpose 6-lane widening, then towards the southern end maybe 1 HO/T lane.
That is jumping to conclusions. It takes a while - maybe a year or so - for people to change habits. Just wait. And then the growth (induced demand) that always follows highway construction comes.

The lanes are not complete and the dynamic pricing is not turned on either.

We have a toll road here in the triangle, and while plenty of people "swore they'd never pay a *#$% toll" at first, and traffic/revenue were below projections for the first year, they are solidly above projection now, and people both love the road and don't care about the toll anymore.

Thatís what was said about the I-295 Express Lanes here as well. Just wait until the rest of the express lanes here are open, and then people will stop complaining.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: goobnav on June 13, 2019, 11:26:49 AM
https://www.wcnc.com/video/traffic/lots-of-complaints-about-new-i-77-toll-lanes/275-07eda71a-baea-4e37-a6fc-fce69e738a2d

The Express Lanes thus far have been a joke it seems. They had it coming for them though. What a joke of a project and waste of space. All those wide open lanes could be used to relief the congested I-77, but they are failing hard. It should've been a free general purpose 6-lane widening, then towards the southern end maybe 1 HO/T lane.
That is jumping to conclusions. It takes a while - maybe a year or so - for people to change habits. Just wait. And then the growth (induced demand) that always follows highway construction comes.

The lanes are not complete and the dynamic pricing is not turned on either.

We have a toll road here in the triangle, and while plenty of people "swore they'd never pay a *#$% toll" at first, and traffic/revenue were below projections for the first year, they are solidly above projection now, and people both love the road and don't care about the toll anymore.


Haven't used NC 540 at all, saved the money either going down NC 55 or NC 751.  Definitely understand the people using it, northerners, I am one myself, are used to paying tolls but, old school ones will avoid at all costs.

Charlotte will get the revenue due to 77 being a nightmare during rush hour but, there will still be holdouts.  To what degree, that is let to be determined.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on June 13, 2019, 02:08:51 PM
https://www.wcnc.com/video/traffic/lots-of-complaints-about-new-i-77-toll-lanes/275-07eda71a-baea-4e37-a6fc-fce69e738a2d

The Express Lanes thus far have been a joke it seems. They had it coming for them though. What a joke of a project and waste of space. All those wide open lanes could be used to relief the congested I-77, but they are failing hard. It should've been a free general purpose 6-lane widening, then towards the southern end maybe 1 HO/T lane.


I'd buy the end of this quote, or one HOT lane from as far north as I-485 going SB to I-277. As it is, this entire 26 mi corridor will be more effective than just the one current open segment.

To be frank so many more commuters will use them going into Charlotte (myself included) than just between Exit 36 and I-485. The "June 2019" update dropped in my email today, it promises that Hambright bridge will at least be open to cross traffic this month. The actual ramps to the interstate will still take a while I'm sure.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on June 19, 2019, 12:18:21 PM
A public meeting is being held on June 27 regarding the planned I-485 express lanes.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-06-19-i-485-open-house.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-06-19-i-485-open-house.aspx)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on June 27, 2019, 08:31:00 AM
https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/drivers-say-merge-lane-too-short-in-i-77-toll-construction-zone/961725532 (https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/drivers-say-merge-lane-too-short-in-i-77-toll-construction-zone/961725532)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on July 19, 2019, 10:05:58 AM
The Charlotte RTPO has approved NCDOTís plan to convert the outside shoulders of I-77 to travel lanes during peak hours.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-07-19-i-77-peak-hour-travel-lanes-approved.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-07-19-i-77-peak-hour-travel-lanes-approved.aspx)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on July 19, 2019, 03:10:41 PM
The Charlotte RTPO has approved NCDOTís plan to convert the outside shoulders of I-77 to travel lanes during peak hours.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-07-19-i-77-peak-hour-travel-lanes-approved.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-07-19-i-77-peak-hour-travel-lanes-approved.aspx)

Cintra ainít happy...

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/officials-consider-turning-shoulders-on-part-of-i-77-into-driving-lanes/967936014 (https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/officials-consider-turning-shoulders-on-part-of-i-77-into-driving-lanes/967936014)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: sprjus4 on July 19, 2019, 11:36:21 PM
The Charlotte RTPO has approved NCDOTís plan to convert the outside shoulders of I-77 to travel lanes during peak hours.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-07-19-i-77-peak-hour-travel-lanes-approved.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-07-19-i-77-peak-hour-travel-lanes-approved.aspx)

Cintra ainít happy...

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/officials-consider-turning-shoulders-on-part-of-i-77-into-driving-lanes/967936014 (https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/officials-consider-turning-shoulders-on-part-of-i-77-into-driving-lanes/967936014)
Of course not, theyíll loose money.

NCDOT needs to continue forward and eventually buy out the contract and convert one HO/T to a third GP lane each way.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: tolbs17 on July 25, 2019, 01:11:31 AM
Does I-77 need 10 lanes and 4 express lanes? Because there's a file on the connect NCDOT website and if you want me to post it here, just quote me.

or it can have 8 lanes or even leave it 6 and add the express lanes. Or not do anything at all.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: froggie on July 25, 2019, 06:21:08 AM
^ It's not getting 10 + 4 express.  It's getting 8 + 4 but only from I-277 to I-85.  North of I-85 it will be 6 + 4 then it tapers to 4 + 4 north of I-485.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: WashuOtaku on July 25, 2019, 09:33:23 AM
Also, future NCDOT plans of I-77 south of Uptown to the South Carolina border call for four express lanes with addition to the six existing travel lanes; but that is years out from now.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: tolbs17 on July 27, 2019, 09:23:12 PM
What is it like to visit Charlotte?
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: tolbs17 on July 27, 2019, 09:24:25 PM
^ It's not getting 10 + 4 express.  It's getting 8 + 4 but only from I-277 to I-85.  North of I-85 it will be 6 + 4 then it tapers to 4 + 4 north of I-485.

Well it needs more lanes. Population is drastically increasing and I was hoping the widening over the river (if I even know what it is) would happen.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: tolbs17 on July 28, 2019, 08:01:21 PM
^ It's not getting 10 + 4 express.  It's getting 8 + 4 but only from I-277 to I-85.  North of I-85 it will be 6 + 4 then it tapers to 4 + 4 north of I-485.

Well it needs more lanes. Population is drastically increasing and I was hoping the widening over the river (if I even know what it is) would happen.

Mooresville's population was at 19,000 back in 2000 and now is 37,800 as of 2017. That's almost doubling the population.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Rothman on July 28, 2019, 09:00:09 PM
Stop the spamming!! 
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: tolbs17 on July 28, 2019, 09:54:46 PM
Stop the spamming!!

So that's off topic? We should be only talking about Charlotte? I will probably wait for a post before i see what it's like and i will post
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Rothman on July 28, 2019, 09:55:27 PM
No, responding to yourself over and over is excessive.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: tolbs17 on July 28, 2019, 09:58:33 PM
No, responding to yourself over and over is excessive.

Ok. I will stop.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on August 06, 2019, 03:42:36 PM
Regarding I-77 invoices...

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-08-6-invoices-due-i-77-express-lanes.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-08-6-invoices-due-i-77-express-lanes.aspx)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on August 14, 2019, 11:39:42 AM
The I-485 express lane project will begin soon.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-08-15-charlotte-express-lanes-construction.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-08-15-charlotte-express-lanes-construction.aspx)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Mileage Mike on August 16, 2019, 06:58:31 PM
Also, future NCDOT plans of I-77 south of Uptown to the South Carolina border call for four express lanes with addition to the six existing travel lanes; but that is years out from now.

I can't wait for that one to finally begin construction. I absolutely HATE driving that stretch of 77 pretty much during any part of the day except on weekends. The NCDOT design also calls for a total reconstruction of the outdated interchange at the John Belk Frwy (I-277) and I-77.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: WashuOtaku on August 16, 2019, 11:48:53 PM
Also, future NCDOT plans of I-77 south of Uptown to the South Carolina border call for four express lanes with addition to the six existing travel lanes; but that is years out from now.

I can't wait for that one to finally begin construction. I absolutely HATE driving that stretch of 77 pretty much during any part of the day except on weekends. The NCDOT design also calls for a total reconstruction of the outdated interchange at the John Belk Frwy (I-277) and I-77.

Well, it's currently a decade away, so you will have plenty of HATE by then.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: tolbs17 on September 08, 2019, 06:11:59 PM
Also, future NCDOT plans of I-77 south of Uptown to the South Carolina border call for four express lanes with addition to the six existing travel lanes; but that is years out from now.

I can't wait for that one to finally begin construction. I absolutely HATE driving that stretch of 77 pretty much during any part of the day except on weekends. The NCDOT design also calls for a total reconstruction of the outdated interchange at the John Belk Frwy (I-277) and I-77.
This DOT takes FOREVER to widen and plan stuff. Unless people move out of the city maybe traffic congestion wouldn't be as high. But I agree. I-77 sucks. I-85 too.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: sprjus4 on September 08, 2019, 07:10:00 PM
Also, future NCDOT plans of I-77 south of Uptown to the South Carolina border call for four express lanes with addition to the six existing travel lanes; but that is years out from now.

I can't wait for that one to finally begin construction. I absolutely HATE driving that stretch of 77 pretty much during any part of the day except on weekends. The NCDOT design also calls for a total reconstruction of the outdated interchange at the John Belk Frwy (I-277) and I-77.
This DOT takes FOREVER to widen and plan stuff. Unless people move out of the city maybe traffic congestion wouldn't be as high. But I agree. I-77 sucks. I-85 too.
Funding shortfalls have caused the delays in projects all around the state. It's not like they're doing nothing though. I-85 was just widened from 4 to 8 lanes north of Charlotte, I-485 Express Lanes are under construction, the I-77 Express Lanes were recently completed, the Monroe Expressway opened last year, major improvements to the northern part of US-77 converted it into a "Jersey Freeway" where you have private driveway connections and RIROs, but no crossroads and urban interchanges. A free-flowing arterial essentially.

More projects are funded to widen I-85 from 6 to 8 lanes south (west) of Charlotte, add Express Lanes to I-77 to South Carolina as mentioned, and an overhaul of the I-77 / I-85 interchange IIRC.

It's not just NCDOT though that takes "FOREVER". Pretty much all DOTs are this way, and for the record, NCDOT seems to be farther ahead than my state's DOT, though they are catching up as of recently.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: froggie on September 08, 2019, 08:38:18 PM
Also, future NCDOT plans of I-77 south of Uptown to the South Carolina border call for four express lanes with addition to the six existing travel lanes; but that is years out from now.

I can't wait for that one to finally begin construction. I absolutely HATE driving that stretch of 77 pretty much during any part of the day except on weekends. The NCDOT design also calls for a total reconstruction of the outdated interchange at the John Belk Frwy (I-277) and I-77.
This DOT takes FOREVER to widen and plan stuff. Unless people move out of the city maybe traffic congestion wouldn't be as high. But I agree. I-77 sucks. I-85 too.

What you don't seem to understand is that it takes a lot of time and money to do the location studies, environmental studies, public (both citizen and local governmental) meetings, legal paperwork, right-of-way acquisition, and utility relocation just to get big construction projects started.  And then there's the construction itself, with heavy equipment movement & staging, workforce mobilization, materials, maintenance of traffic, and everything else that enables the construction to occur.

"Moving people out of the city" also isn't a realistic option, as all you're really doing there is shifting the traffic burden to wherever they relocate to...often locations that don't have the infrastructure to handle the influx, so you're right back in the same boat.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: tolbs17 on September 08, 2019, 08:48:36 PM
Also, future NCDOT plans of I-77 south of Uptown to the South Carolina border call for four express lanes with addition to the six existing travel lanes; but that is years out from now.

I can't wait for that one to finally begin construction. I absolutely HATE driving that stretch of 77 pretty much during any part of the day except on weekends. The NCDOT design also calls for a total reconstruction of the outdated interchange at the John Belk Frwy (I-277) and I-77.
This DOT takes FOREVER to widen and plan stuff. Unless people move out of the city maybe traffic congestion wouldn't be as high. But I agree. I-77 sucks. I-85 too.
Funding shortfalls have caused the delays in projects all around the state. It's not like they're doing nothing though. I-85 was just widened from 4 to 8 lanes north of Charlotte, I-485 Express Lanes are under construction, the I-77 Express Lanes were recently completed, the Monroe Expressway opened last year, major improvements to the northern part of US-77 converted it into a "Jersey Freeway" where you have private driveway connections and RIROs, but no crossroads and urban interchanges. A free-flowing arterial essentially.

More projects are funded to widen I-85 from 6 to 8 lanes south (west) of Charlotte, add Express Lanes to I-77 to South Carolina as mentioned, and an overhaul of the I-77 / I-85 interchange IIRC.

It's not just NCDOT though that takes "FOREVER". Pretty much all DOTs are this way, and for the record, NCDOT seems to be farther ahead than my state's DOT, though they are catching up as of recently.
They should make the entire I-77 / I-85 interchange to a four level stack. Unless they convert it to this. The website claims it will not be reconfigured, but it will be really needed in the future. Lots of weaving.

https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/Feasibility-Study_1210A_Report_2014.pdf

Scroll down to page 33 and see the complete redesign.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: tolbs17 on September 08, 2019, 08:59:55 PM
Also, future NCDOT plans of I-77 south of Uptown to the South Carolina border call for four express lanes with addition to the six existing travel lanes; but that is years out from now.

I can't wait for that one to finally begin construction. I absolutely HATE driving that stretch of 77 pretty much during any part of the day except on weekends. The NCDOT design also calls for a total reconstruction of the outdated interchange at the John Belk Frwy (I-277) and I-77.
This DOT takes FOREVER to widen and plan stuff. Unless people move out of the city maybe traffic congestion wouldn't be as high. But I agree. I-77 sucks. I-85 too.

What you don't seem to understand is that it takes a lot of time and money to do the location studies, environmental studies, public (both citizen and local governmental) meetings, legal paperwork, right-of-way acquisition, and utility relocation just to get big construction projects started.  And then there's the construction itself, with heavy equipment movement & staging, workforce mobilization, materials, maintenance of traffic, and everything else that enables the construction to occur.

"Moving people out of the city" also isn't a realistic option, as all you're really doing there is shifting the traffic burden to wherever they relocate to...often locations that don't have the infrastructure to handle the influx, so you're right back in the same boat.
We have big areas that we can develop here in Greenville, NC. And look at the outer banks! Also undeveloped. I'm not sure if Charlotte is too crowded...
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on September 09, 2019, 11:18:46 AM
Wow I took a look at those 85/77 concepts that would be a dream to have that reconfigured.

Somewhat on topic, I asked on FB this the other day. Will there be access from **I-77 Express Lanes** to I-85 SB? I definitely identified where to access to I-85 NB but still have yet to see/find the other...
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: The Ghostbuster on September 09, 2019, 02:34:49 PM
How bad is the traffic in Charlotte compared to other cities in North Carolina?
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: tolbs17 on September 09, 2019, 02:41:20 PM
How bad is the traffic in Charlotte compared to other cities in North Carolina?
Really bad.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on September 09, 2019, 03:17:13 PM
How bad is the traffic in Charlotte compared to other cities in North Carolina?
Really bad.

I agree with this but Raleigh I-40 takes a close second...
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: tolbs17 on September 09, 2019, 09:24:02 PM
How bad is the traffic in Charlotte compared to other cities in North Carolina?
Really bad.

I agree with this but Raleigh I-40 takes a close second...
They are going to fix that hopefully soon. Here's some maps of the proposals

https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/Feasibility-Study_1205A_Report_2016.pdf

https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/Feasibility-Study_1005A_Report_2015.pdf
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: sprjus4 on September 09, 2019, 09:27:00 PM
How bad is the traffic in Charlotte compared to other cities in North Carolina?
Really bad.

I agree with this but Raleigh I-40 takes a close second...
They are going to fix that hopefully soon. Here's some maps of the proposals

https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/Feasibility-Study_1205A_Report_2016.pdf

https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/Feasibility-Study_1005A_Report_2015.pdf
Unfunded projects. Managed lanes along w/ an additional general purpose lane each way is ideal, but a long ways away.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: tolbs17 on September 09, 2019, 10:23:09 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4017547,-80.6983075,3a,75y,55.74h,79.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZUdpXrct-ZVgtXz7A7lSHg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

They got space to put another lane here. Maybe in the future there will be some managed lanes?
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on September 09, 2019, 11:21:12 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4017547,-80.6983075,3a,75y,55.74h,79.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZUdpXrct-ZVgtXz7A7lSHg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

They got space to put another lane here. Maybe in the future there will be some managed lanes?

Just don't hire Cintra for the project!
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: sprjus4 on September 09, 2019, 11:23:52 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4017547,-80.6983075,3a,75y,55.74h,79.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZUdpXrct-ZVgtXz7A7lSHg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

They got space to put another lane here. Maybe in the future there will be some managed lanes?

Just don't hire Cintra for the project!
Or any private company for that matter. Same mistake made here in Virginia with I-95 and I-495.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: froggie on September 10, 2019, 09:57:33 AM
I don't think the Beltway HO/T Lanes project was that big of an issue.  I-95/395, on the other hand...
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: sprjus4 on September 10, 2019, 05:45:06 PM
I don't think the Beltway HO/T Lanes project was that big of an issue.  I-95/395, on the other hand...
I would agree that the I-495 project was okay, but not the I-95 / I-395 portion.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Mileage Mike on September 13, 2019, 05:00:43 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.4017547,-80.6983075,3a,75y,55.74h,79.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZUdpXrct-ZVgtXz7A7lSHg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

They got space to put another lane here. Maybe in the future there will be some managed lanes?

I-85 doesn't really need more lanes in that area. 85 is pretty good for the most part through Charlotte. It's 77 between Uptown and the SC line that's the biggest (and most costly) issue that needs to be fixed.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: tolbs17 on September 13, 2019, 07:35:42 PM
There's a proposal that it would say it would be get 5-2-2-5.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on September 19, 2019, 03:03:54 PM
The speed limit on I-485 between the western NC-27 interchange and US-74 in Matthews will be reduced to 65mph.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-19-charlotte-speed-limit-reduction.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-19-charlotte-speed-limit-reduction.aspx)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: sprjus4 on September 19, 2019, 04:56:43 PM
The speed limit on I-485 between the western NC-27 interchange and US-74 in Matthews will be reduced to 65mph.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-19-charlotte-speed-limit-reduction.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-19-charlotte-speed-limit-reduction.aspx)
Yes, because reducing the speed limit will definitely slow drivers down and decrease accident rates... I highly doubt anything will change.

The design speed is 70 mph, the speed limit should reflect this, and that's what drivers will do no matter what's posted.

I feel like this is the start to a new trend... first I-485 has half of the highway reduced to 65 mph... next the remainder will be reduced to 65 mph... then I-540 around Raleigh will be lowered to 65 mph, and so on.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: tolbs17 on September 19, 2019, 05:06:52 PM
The speed limit on I-485 between the western NC-27 interchange and US-74 in Matthews will be reduced to 65mph.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-19-charlotte-speed-limit-reduction.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-19-charlotte-speed-limit-reduction.aspx)
Not sure if i really like that idea, but I guess reducing the speed limit to 65 (especially in high AADT highways) would be fine.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: sprjus4 on September 19, 2019, 05:09:18 PM
The speed limit on I-485 between the western NC-27 interchange and US-74 in Matthews will be reduced to 65mph.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-19-charlotte-speed-limit-reduction.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-19-charlotte-speed-limit-reduction.aspx)
Not sure if i really like that idea, but I guess reducing the speed limit to 65 (especially in high AADT highways) would be fine.
The highway may have a high AADT, but it was constructed as a rural freeway and still has a rural freeway design, spaced out interchanges, large curve radius, 70 mph design speed, etc... it should still be reflected in the posted the speed limit, which is currently 70 mph and should remain 70 mph.

If you use AADT as a standard, then you'd have to lower a lot of 70 - 75 mph highways across the country to 65 mph.

And again, ultimately, will this slow people down? Will be people all a sudden go from 70 - 75 mph to 65 - 70 mph? Doubt it.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on September 19, 2019, 07:15:01 PM
Is not the class clockwise direction coming into a work zone.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: TimQuiQui on September 20, 2019, 12:22:35 AM
The rationale at the time of increasing the speed limit is that internal studies showed average drivers going above 70 throughout the loop. I personally doubt I'll slow down any on that stretch. I'm a little surprised they didn't extend this to Exit 57 - NC 16. That'd cover the whole remaining four lane section and I always felt the mile 51-57 zone is where I saw the most crashes. Maybe they're planning on that being cut to construction soon anyway.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: The Ghostbuster on September 20, 2019, 01:49:49 PM
I doubt reducing the speed limit to 65 will make much difference. Does anyone really obey the posted speed limit? Also: will law enforcement also beef up on cracking down on speeders?
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: wdcrft63 on September 20, 2019, 06:27:25 PM
I doubt reducing the speed limit to 65 will make much difference. Does anyone really obey the posted speed limit? Also: will law enforcement also beef up on cracking down on speeders?
Probably not. When I drive on I-40 between Raleigh and Durham, I think the speed limit is 65, but you have to do 75 if you don't want to be flattened.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Mileage Mike on September 20, 2019, 10:20:12 PM
The rationale at the time of increasing the speed limit is that internal studies showed average drivers going above 70 throughout the loop. I personally doubt I'll slow down any on that stretch. I'm a little surprised they didn't extend this to Exit 57 - NC 16. That'd cover the whole remaining four lane section and I always felt the mile 51-57 zone is where I saw the most crashes. Maybe they're planning on that being cut to construction soon anyway.

They did. Exit 57 lies between US 74 in Matthews and the NC 27/I-485 Interchange in West Charlotte.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: fillup420 on September 22, 2019, 11:52:03 AM
whats annoying about that is the speed limit was raised from 65 to 70 on all of I-485 once the loop was finished. now theyíre dropping it back down? Everyone is going to continue doing 90 anyway.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: tolbs17 on September 23, 2019, 04:58:11 PM
whats annoying about that is the speed limit was raised from 65 to 70 on all of I-485 once the loop was finished. now theyíre dropping it back down? Everyone is going to continue doing 90 anyway.
Yeah, they did a bad idea. I-77 in Charlotte and I-40 between Durham and Raleigh are fine 65, but not I-485. All of I-485 should stay 70.

If you look back in 2015, NCDOT raised most of their freeways to 70 mph.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: fillup420 on September 24, 2019, 06:04:49 PM
Drove up I-77 north today and passed the section of new express lanes that have opened. I must admit that it looks really good now that (part of) it is done
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: sprjus4 on September 24, 2019, 06:06:34 PM
If you look back in 2015, NCDOT raised most of their freeways to 70 mph.
It's funny - it seems most of the beltways around urban areas are 70 mph, yet the mainlines in rural areas still maintain 65 mph...
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on September 25, 2019, 08:21:12 PM
The speed limit on I-485 between the western NC-27 interchange and US-74 in Matthews will be reduced to 65mph.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-19-charlotte-speed-limit-reduction.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-09-19-charlotte-speed-limit-reduction.aspx)

Turns out NCDOT jumped the gun. The speed limit will remain 70mph.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/traffic/article235427247.html#storylink=mainstage_card5 (https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/traffic/article235427247.html#storylink=mainstage_card5)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: sprjus4 on September 25, 2019, 09:06:03 PM
^

Certainly not complaining, but can this state stay consistent on anything?  :spin:
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: wriddle082 on September 27, 2019, 09:55:22 AM
^

Certainly not complaining, but can this state stay consistent on anything?  :spin:

The article mentions significant traffic volume increases since the last leg of the loop was finished.  What it doesnít mention is that since that time, nearly all of I-77 within the loop has had some form of nonstop construction.  Whether it be the toll lanes north of 277 Brookshire or just general resurfacing south of there.  It hasnít stopped since 2015/2016 timeframe.  And a significant number of motorists who want to avoid 77 are now regularly using 485, and Iím thinking even if itís a little out of the way.

As for I-85 through traffic, it really hasnít been affected as much, mostly because it has had sufficient capacity ever since they finished a lot of the widening projects in Cabarrus.  The only significant slowdowns it seems to encounter are in Gaston, and those will likely be addressed once the 485 work from Ballentyne to Matthews is completed.

Also, I really wish they would do something about the 485 merge onto 85 south near the airport!  And why they built the Sam Wilson Rd bridge over 85 *with* shoulder piers, thus making adding more lanes impossible w/o rebuilding this bridge, is beyond me!
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: sprjus4 on September 27, 2019, 05:55:29 PM
Also, I really wish they would do something about the 485 merge onto 85 south near the airport!
Agreed. I usually take I-85 straight thru, though I decided to try out the new(er - ~2015) bypass one trip heading southbound. It's a nice 8-lane freeway, and all 70 mph, but at the end, I sat at the interchange of I-485 / I-85 South for at least 20 minutes barely moving, and that was just on the ramp. After getting onto I-85, it was stop and go all the way to the US-321 / I-85 split. Finally got up to speed at that point, and into South Carolina.

NCDOT has plans to expand this segment to 8-lanes, but like you said, no planned improvements for the I-485 / I-85 South interchange.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on September 30, 2019, 09:46:43 AM
Drove up I-77 north today and passed the section of new express lanes that have opened. I must admit that it looks really good now that (part of) it is done

Speaking of, I haven't received any updates from I-77 Mobility Partners (they send through email subscription monthly and quarterly updates) in over 2 months. Input is welcome here, but I think we are within a month of the "required" completion (It was supposed to be January 1, 2019) before they face 10k/day fines!
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: roadman65 on September 30, 2019, 11:50:35 PM
I think that I-95  is odd the way it is only 70 from Kenly and the Fayetteville Bypass. The rest is only 65 even south of Fayetteville to the SC Line where the exits are spaced enough apart unlike from Eastover to Kenly (the oldest part of the route built in the late 50's I think) where ramps are almost every mile similar to I-95 in CT.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: sprjus4 on September 30, 2019, 11:55:01 PM
I think that I-95  is odd the way it is only 70 from Kenly and the Fayetteville Bypass. The rest is only 65 even south of Fayetteville to the SC Line where the exits are spaced enough apart unlike from Eastover to Kenly (the oldest part of the route built in the late 50's I think) where ramps are almost every mile similar to I-95 in CT.
Once the 50s portions get reconstructed to 8-lanes (which begins next year), that stretch could easily be posted at 70 mph. The design speed is 70 mph, it can handle it. If I-485 and I-540 beltways in urban metro areas can be 70 mph, then a rural stretch can be 70 mph.

Quite frankly, all of I-95 thru North Carolina could be 70 mph. It's not like everybody is already going 80 mph.

And as for 50s portions, and 65 mph, look at I-95 around Emporia, VA. Lower vertical clearances, 20-30 ft median (heavily protected by guardrail though), and bridges that look like they're going to collapse. It was built in 1958 and is posted at 70 mph, an increase from 65 mph when the state limit was raised, even that part was eligible. Granted though, there's way fewer exits, though the interchanges that do exist are extremely substandard, especially the narrow cloverleaf with US-58.

US-64 around Nashville, NC is posted at 70 mph, despite that section being constructed in the early 60s, having substandard bridges with no shoulder, lower clearance bridges, and again, bridges that look like they're about to collapse. It lowers to 65 mph once past I-95 heading east, but that's due to the Rocky Mount area and closely spaced exits - yet even then the study to upgrade US-64 to I-87 evaluated raising the speed limit to a uniform 70 mph thru there by correcting geometrical issues.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: roadman65 on October 01, 2019, 08:24:38 PM
However with VA and 70 around Emporia for ole 95, itís because some engineers say go for it and the others ((like in NC) say motorists need a buffer for safety.

Heck go to Texas and they have five lane arterials posted at 75 mph where many states would question signing it over 55.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: sprjus4 on October 01, 2019, 09:02:27 PM
However with VA and 70 around Emporia for ole 95, itís because some engineers say go for it and the others ((like in NC) say motorists need a buffer for safety.
But then there's also that segment of US-64 around Nashville that's just as aged that's posted at 70 mph.

Heck go to Texas and they have five lane arterials posted at 75 mph where many states would question signing it over 55.
Texas is one of my favorite states to drive in - mostly because you're always doing at least 70 - 75mph outside of urban areas, no matter what type of road. And even better - there's no urge to speed because the speed limit is an appropriate cap, unlike that 55 mph in the other state that most people do around 60 - 65 mph already.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on October 01, 2019, 09:27:19 PM
However with VA and 70 around Emporia for ole 95, itís because some engineers say go for it and the others ((like in NC) say motorists need a buffer for safety.
But then there's also that segment of US-64 around Nashville that's just as aged that's posted at 70 mph.

Heck go to Texas and they have five lane arterials posted at 75 mph where many states would question signing it over 55.
Texas is one of my favorite states to drive in - mostly because you're always doing at least 70 - 75mph outside of urban areas, no matter what type of road. And even better - there's no urge to speed because the speed limit is an appropriate cap, unlike that 55 mph in the other state that most people do around 60 - 65 mph already.

Can we get this thread back to Charlotte, NC? I know it grew legs talking about 70 mph on I-485, but the rest of this belongs in Mid-Atlantic forum.

I asked earlier about I-77 EL, does anyone have any updates? We are getting close to hard deadline of $10k a day fines if they donít speed it up (grace has already been extended from Jan 2019 to Now next month...)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: sprjus4 on October 01, 2019, 09:40:30 PM
Can we get this thread back to Charlotte, NC? I know it grew legs talking about 70 mph on I-485, but the rest of this belongs in Mid-Atlantic forum.
There were a mere 2 posts that veered off the main topic, it's not like it was an entire page.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on October 07, 2019, 05:31:29 PM
I-277 lane and ramp closures this week.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-07-uptown-charlotte-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-07-uptown-charlotte-closures.aspx)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on October 10, 2019, 07:47:44 PM
Cintra is requesting a deadline extension on the I-77 toll lane project.

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/cintra-requests-i-77-construction-extension-faces-fines-if-not-done-by-end-of-month/995706361 (https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/cintra-requests-i-77-construction-extension-faces-fines-if-not-done-by-end-of-month/995706361)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Rothman on October 10, 2019, 08:28:01 PM
Ugh.  Cintra:  Bilker of the Public.  How many facilities have we turned over to them so they can squeeze every penny out of the travelling public they can?
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: sprjus4 on October 11, 2019, 07:16:46 AM
Cintra is requesting a deadline extension on the I-77 toll lane project.

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/cintra-requests-i-77-construction-extension-faces-fines-if-not-done-by-end-of-month/995706361 (https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/cintra-requests-i-77-construction-extension-faces-fines-if-not-done-by-end-of-month/995706361)
I'd say no, let them piggy up.

They're already 277 days behind the original deadline, and with the amount of screw ups they've already had, the millions of dollars they've had to pay up, they don't deserve more leeway.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: VTGoose on October 16, 2019, 05:01:47 PM
Cintra is requesting a deadline extension on the I-77 toll lane project.

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/cintra-requests-i-77-construction-extension-faces-fines-if-not-done-by-end-of-month/995706361 (https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/cintra-requests-i-77-construction-extension-faces-fines-if-not-done-by-end-of-month/995706361)

So does that include paving (yet again) the various traffic lanes? We went through there last week and while the express lanes appear to have a final coat of asphalt, the main lanes were pretty rough. Up here in the mountains of Virginia, the asphalt plants are nearing their winter shutdown; is that an issue around Charlotte?

Bruce in Blacksburg
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: TimQuiQui on October 16, 2019, 11:03:09 PM
The first CFI - Continuous Flow Intersection - in the state will be opening in West Charlotte Friday at NC 16/Mt. Holly-Huntersville, right by I-485 exit 16

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-14-charlotte-intersection-getting-innovative-pattern.aspx
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on October 17, 2019, 02:36:02 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-17-interstate-resurfacing-continues.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-17-interstate-resurfacing-continues.aspx)

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​CHARLOTTE Ė Contractors with the N.C. Department of Transportation will be resurfacing lanes on Interstate 485 in north Charlotte Friday, as part of a $10.8 million contract awarded last fall.

The paving operations require temperatures at or above 60 degrees, so the work must take place during the day. One lane will be closed on the inner loop between mile markers 31 and 36. Traffic control will go in place after 9 a.m. and will be removed by 4 p.m.

Additional lane closures may continue this weekend and next week, as work advances and weather permits. Motorists are encouraged to pay attention when approaching the work zone, obey the posted speed limit, and allow extra time to reach their destinations safely.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on October 21, 2019, 02:42:49 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-21-uptown-closures-continue.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-21-uptown-closures-continue.aspx)

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​CHARLOTTE Ė The series of closures needed for work on the $16.3 million N.C. Department of Transportation project to improve the roadway and 22 bridges along I-277 continues tonight.​​

The entrance ramp from the inner loop to I-77 South (Exit 1B) will be closed from 8 p.m. to 6 a.m. each night this week and continue over the weekend from 8 p.m. Friday until 6 a.m. Monday. ​​​

Also, the entrance ramp from South Church Street to the inner loop will be closed from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m. each night through Monday morning, Oct. 28. ​

All the work is weather permitting and subject to change. Detour information will be online at DriveNC.gov under Mecklenburg County.​​​

Drivers need to slow down and use extra caution while going through the work zones and the detour routes. They also need to pay extra attention to the road for their own safety, as well as any passengers, occupants of other vehicles and the construction crews in the area.​​
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Mileage Mike on October 21, 2019, 04:01:00 PM
The first CFI - Continuous Flow Intersection - in the state will be opening in West Charlotte Friday at NC 16/Mt. Holly-Huntersville, right by I-485 exit 16

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-10-14-charlotte-intersection-getting-innovative-pattern.aspx

I checked it out the other day. Looks like some drivers are confused and were still trying to turn left in the lanes that go straight.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: wriddle082 on October 30, 2019, 07:18:03 PM
Cintra is about to start paying fines!!!  The I-77 Toll Lane construction deadline will NOT be extended!!!

https://www.wbtv.com/2019/10/30/nc-sen-natasha-marcus-says-ncdot-will-not-grant-extension-i-toll-lane-project-fines-expected/
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: sprjus4 on October 30, 2019, 08:26:59 PM
Cintra is about to start paying fines!!!  The I-77 Toll Lane construction deadline will NOT be extended!!!

https://www.wbtv.com/2019/10/30/nc-sen-natasha-marcus-says-ncdot-will-not-grant-extension-i-toll-lane-project-fines-expected/
About time. They've had some many screw ups construction wise, time to start paying up.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Mileage Mike on October 30, 2019, 09:52:03 PM
Cintra is about to start paying fines!!!  The I-77 Toll Lane construction deadline will NOT be extended!!!

https://www.wbtv.com/2019/10/30/nc-sen-natasha-marcus-says-ncdot-will-not-grant-extension-i-toll-lane-project-fines-expected/

Very nice. They deserve those fines. There's still quite a bit of work to do on the part close to Uptown.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: sprjus4 on October 31, 2019, 05:08:27 PM
Related to Cintra, apparently theyíre apart of the P3 doing the I-66 lanes outside the beltway in Northern Virginia.

So Northern Virginia has both Transurban and Cintra ultimately.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on November 05, 2019, 07:50:21 AM
More ramp closures on I-277 this week.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-11-04-uptown-ramp-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-11-04-uptown-ramp-closures.aspx)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on November 12, 2019, 07:43:07 AM
Another press release regarding I-277.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-11-11-uptown-ramp-closures-continue.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-11-11-uptown-ramp-closures-continue.aspx)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on November 13, 2019, 03:27:05 PM
Beginning tomorrow, construction work around Concord Mills will be suspended for the holidays.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-11-13-concord-mills-project-suspension.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-11-13-concord-mills-project-suspension.aspx)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on November 14, 2019, 02:58:08 PM
NCDOT awarded a contract to rehabilitate pavement on I-485 between NC-51 and Idlewild Road. Completion set for November 15, 2020.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-11-14-east-meck-contract-award.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-11-14-east-meck-contract-award.aspx)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on November 18, 2019, 02:23:25 PM
All I-77 toll lanes are now open.

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/all-sections-of-i-77-express-lanes-set-to-open-saturday-evening/1009340927 (https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/all-sections-of-i-77-express-lanes-set-to-open-saturday-evening/1009340927)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on November 18, 2019, 03:39:07 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-11-18-uptown-ramp-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-11-18-uptown-ramp-closures.aspx)

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CHARLOTTE Ė N.C. Department of Transportation contract crews have scheduled several closures this week as part of a $16.3 million project to improve the roadway and 22 bridges along I-277.​​

Starting tonight, crews will close the ramp from the inner loop to I-77 South (exit 1B), the on-ramp from I-77 North to U.S. 74 West (exit 9C) and the ramp from the inner loop to Freedom Drive (exit 1A). The closures will be in place from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m., through Monday morning, Nov. 25.​

Also tonight, the ramp from South Boulevard to the outer loop will be closed, as will the ramp from the outer loop to Kenilworth and East 3rd Street (exit 2A). These closures will be in place from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m. Tuesday.​​

Nightly closures are also set for the ramps from East Stonewall and East Fourth streets to the outer loop from Tuesday thru Sunday from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m. the following day. ​

All the work is weather permitting and subject to change. Detour information will be online at DriveNC.gov under Mecklenburg County.​

Drivers need to slow down and use extra caution while going through the work zones and the detour routes. They also need to pay extra attention to the road for their own safety, as well as any passengers, occupants of other vehicles and the construction crews in the area.​
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on November 26, 2019, 12:09:34 PM

Here is a timelapse video of the I-77 express lanes heading northbound from Charlotte.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on December 02, 2019, 04:26:32 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-12-02-uptown-ramp-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-12-02-uptown-ramp-closures.aspx)

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​CHARLOTTE Ė N.C. Department of Transportation contract crews are resuming several ramp closures this week on Interstate 277 to continue roadway and bridge improvements along the corridor.​​

Starting tonight, crews will close the ramp from I-77 North to U.S. 74 West (exit 9C), the ramp from the inner loop to I-77 South (exit 1B), and the ramp from the inner loop to Freedom Drive (exit 1A). The closures will be in place from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m., continuing each night until Friday morning.​​

Beginning Friday at 9 p.m., crews will close the ramp from the inner loop to Freedom Drive (exit 1A), the ramp from the inner loop to I-77 North (exit 1C), and the ramp from Church Street to the inner loop. ​​

The ramps will reopen no later than 4:30 p.m. on Saturday, prior to that nightís Atlantic Coast Conference football championship game at Bank of America Stadium. The ramps will close again from 9 a.m. Sunday until 6 a.m. Monday, Dec. 9. ​​

All the work is weather permitting and subject to change. Detour information will be online at DriveNC.gov under Mecklenburg County.​

Drivers need to slow down and use extra caution while going through the work zones and the detour routes. They also need to pay extra attention to the road for their own safety, as well as any passengers, occupants of other vehicles and the construction crews in the area.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on December 09, 2019, 05:14:44 PM
More I-277 ramp closures this week.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-12-09-uptown-ramp-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-12-09-uptown-ramp-closures.aspx)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on December 27, 2019, 05:46:03 PM
A little heads-up for those that frequent Concord Mills.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-12-27-concord-mills-mall-entrance-closure.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2019/2019-12-27-concord-mills-mall-entrance-closure.aspx)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on January 03, 2020, 06:54:25 AM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-01-02-weekend-uptown-ramp-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-01-02-weekend-uptown-ramp-closures.aspx)

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​CHARLOTTE Ė N.C. Department of Transportation contract crews will close several uptown ramps this weekend as part of a $16.3 million project to improve the roadway and 22 bridges along I-277.​​​​​

The following ramps will be closed from 9 p.m. Friday until 6 a.m. Monday:

​-the ramps from Church Street and South Boulevard to the inner loop
-the ramp from the inner loop to East Stonewall Street
-the ramp from the outer loop to Carson Boulevard​​

All the work is weather permitting and subject to change. Detour information will be online at DriveNC.gov under Mecklenburg County.​​

Drivers need to slow down and use extra caution while going through the work zones and the detour routes. They also need to pay extra attention to the road for their own safety, as well as any passengers, occupants of other vehicles and the construction crews in the area.​
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on January 09, 2020, 03:12:55 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-01-09-uptown-ramp-weekend-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-01-09-uptown-ramp-weekend-closures.aspx)

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​CHARLOTTE Ė N.C. Department of Transportation contract crews are continuing their series of ramp closures as part of a $16.3 million project to improve the roadway and 22 bridges along I-277.​​

Beginning tonight at 9 p.m., crews will close the ramp from the outer loop to Carson Boulevard (exit 1D) until 6 a.m. Friday. ​​Other ramps will be closed from 9 p.m. Friday until 6 a.m. Monday, Jan. 13:

-The ramp from the outer loop to Carson Boulevard;
-The ramp from the inner loop to Fourth Street (exit 2A);
-the ramp from Fourth Street to the inner loop;
-the ramp from the inner loop to South Boulevard (exit 1E); and
-the ramp from South Boulevard to the inner loop.
​ ​​
All the work is weather permitting and subject to change. Detour information will be online at DriveNC.gov under Mecklenburg County.​​
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on January 13, 2020, 03:58:13 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-01-13-uptown-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-01-13-uptown-closures.aspx)

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​CHARLOTTE Ė N.C. Department of Transportation contract crews have scheduled several ramp closures this week as part of a $16.3 million project to improve the roadway and 22 bridges along I-277, weather permitting.​​

Tonight and Tuesday night, crews will close the entrance and exit ramps at the South Boulevard interchange with the inner loop. The closures will be in place from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m.​​​

On Wednesday night, the inner loop entrance and exit ramps at Fourth Street will be closed from 9 p.m. until 6 a.m. Thursday. ​​

Additional ramp closures will be in place over the weekend from 9 p.m. Friday until 6 a.m. Monday, Jan. 20:​​

-the ramp from the outer loop to Carson Boulevard
-the exit and entrance ramps where Fourth Street meets the inner loop; and
-the ramp from the inner loop to East Stonewall Street​​

All the work is weather permitting and subject to change. Detour information will be online at DriveNC.gov under Mecklenburg County.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on January 23, 2020, 12:31:04 PM
NCDOT is holding two public hearings next week to discuss planned improvements to US-74 between Idlewild Road and I-485.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-01-23-independence-public-hearings.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-01-23-independence-public-hearings.aspx)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Finrod on January 23, 2020, 02:08:33 PM
NCDOT is holding two public hearings next week to discuss planned improvements to US-74 between Idlewild Road and I-485.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-01-23-independence-public-hearings.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-01-23-independence-public-hearings.aspx)

IMHO that section of US 74 needs to be upgraded to a full expressway, express lanes or no.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: tjcreasy on January 23, 2020, 03:57:20 PM
The failure to convert Independence Boulevard to a controlled access facility between Uptown and I-485 is one of the biggest missed opportunities in North Carolina. US 74 between Asheville and Wilmington is NCís missing interstate. Iím tired of people telling me it couldnít be done, and the express lanes will help mitigate this failure. Independence Blvd is a Frankenstein of failed vision.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: sprjus4 on January 23, 2020, 08:21:09 PM
^ The project is not only adding express lanes, itís also converting the remainder of the roadway into a Jersey freeway, a 50 mph roadway without median crossovers, RIROs, and overpasses. It wonít be a full controlled access roadway, but it will be a free-flowing Expressway. Still a major improvement overall, with the elimination of all signals.

US 74 between Asheville and Wilmington is NCís missing interstate.
I-485 provides a 70 mph interstate highway bypass throughout the area, such cross-state interstate would not include US-74 from Downtown Charlotte to I-485.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on January 23, 2020, 08:48:09 PM
With the dearth of radical highways to the due east, do you ever forsee Albermarle Rd getting the same Jersey Freeway treatment?
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Roadsguy on January 24, 2020, 07:40:43 AM
^ The project is not only adding express lanes, itís also converting the remainder of the roadway into a Jersey freeway, a 50 mph roadway without median crossovers, RIROs, and overpasses. It wonít be a full controlled access roadway, but it will be a free-flowing Expressway. Still a major improvement overall, with the elimination of all signals.

US 74 between Asheville and Wilmington is NCís missing interstate.
I-485 provides a 70 mph interstate highway bypass throughout the area, such cross-state interstate would not include US-74 from Downtown Charlotte to I-485.

Ideally the Interstate could begin at I-26 in Columbus and follow US 74 from there, running concurrent with I-85 and then turning along NC 16 and I-277 through downtown Charlotte. Routing it around I-485 wouldn't be too bad, though, especially since that's the direction the flyovers point at the I-485/US 74 junction to the east.

This would also require upgrading NC 16 at least between I-85 and the end of the Brookshire Freeway, though ideally all of NC 16 could be upgraded out to the existing freeway section outside I-485. Has this been recently studied? I'm surprised that I can't find anything about it since it's a pretty big missing link between downtown and I-85 to the west.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: tjcreasy on January 24, 2020, 02:04:01 PM
^ The project is not only adding express lanes, itís also converting the remainder of the roadway into a Jersey freeway, a 50 mph roadway without median crossovers, RIROs, and overpasses. It wonít be a full controlled access roadway, but it will be a free-flowing Expressway. Still a major improvement overall, with the elimination of all signals.

US 74 between Asheville and Wilmington is NCís missing interstate.
I-485 provides a 70 mph interstate highway bypass throughout the area, such cross-state interstate would not include US-74 from Downtown Charlotte to I-485.


I concur that the Independence BL upgrades are a huge improvement. It is still IMHO a huge missed opportunity. Independence BL is/was Charlotteís missing freeway. When the Silver Line is built and southeast Charlotte densifies, I believe planners will wish this opportunity was handled differently. This newly improved road will still have a ton of curb cuts and sidewalks which will introduce/retain many unnecessary safety hazards. A 4 to 6 lane Independence Blvd Freeway with frontage roads would have been more appropriate.

Roadsguy I have spoken with transportation planners in Charlotte. They are currently evaluating several alternatives for Brookshire some include upgrading Brookshire to a freeway between I-277 and I-485.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Mileage Mike on January 26, 2020, 11:13:48 PM
The future Asheville to Wilmington freeway would likely just be routed with I-485 in Charlotte. Too much development has been allowed around US74 between Briar Creek Rd and the Matthews/Charlotte city limits boundary. It will be too cost prohibitive to buy up the properties now. The only part they got right was between Uptown and Briar Creek several decades ago. I have noticed how in Matthews the businesses all have significant setback from the roadway to allow a freeway upgrade but it's that part between Briar Creek and the Matthews line that looks like it won't be able to ever be upgraded to a full freeway. I agree that NC missed the opportunity to buy up and reserve the property for possibly upgrading Independence to a full freeway years ago.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Roadsguy on January 27, 2020, 06:47:38 AM
The future Asheville to Wilmington freeway would likely just be routed with I-485 in Charlotte. Too much development has been allowed around US74 between Briar Creek Rd and the Matthews/Charlotte city limits boundary. It will be too cost prohibitive to buy up the properties now. The only part they got right was between Uptown and Briar Creek several decades ago. I have noticed how in Matthews the businesses all have significant setback from the roadway to allow a freeway upgrade but it's that part between Briar Creek and the Matthews line that looks like it won't be able to ever be upgraded to a full freeway. I agree that NC missed the opportunity to buy up and reserve the property for possibly upgrading Independence to a full freeway years ago.

They'd probably only need to buy all the businesses on one side, but it would still be prohibitively expensive, though I can't imagine it would be much more prohibitively expensive decades from now if traffic counts rise to the point where they decide a freeway upgrade is necessary.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: orulz on January 28, 2020, 09:09:08 AM
Why would they route an Asheville-Wilmington freeway through central Charlotte? Central Charlotte is overwhelmed enough with through traffic. It doesn't need any more. I agree that a I-485 routing would make the most sense.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: tjcreasy on January 28, 2020, 04:31:34 PM
An Asheville to Wilmington Interstate routed through central Charlotte will never happen due to NCDOTís/CDOTís development of Independence Boulevard. I acknowledge this. Assuming I-3X is ever comes into fruition itís routing through central Charlotte would have had very little effect on through traffic as through traffic would use I-485 anyway during peak traffic periods. Furthermore they arenít any major generators of new through traffic coming from both directions once the interstate standard upgrades of US 74 are complete both east and west of Charlotte.  Primary interstates would be routed to bypasses/beltways  if through traffic motorists were incapable of choosing the best route.

At some point in the future the NC16-Brookshire Blvd/I-85 interchange will be upgraded, potentially to facilitate an extension of the freeway portion of NC-16. The US74-Independence Blvd/I-277 interchange will also be modernized. Iím looking forward to seeing Independence/Brookshire becoming an improved core route regardless of designation.


I agree with everyone the I-485 is more than adequate though I will caution that I-485 will be hell on Earth within 20 years if currently development trends hold.

Georgia has special shield designations for State routes that are regionally important. I hope NC follows their path in doing this.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on February 05, 2020, 01:30:50 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-02-05-mecklenburg-interstate-contract-award.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-02-05-mecklenburg-interstate-contract-award.aspx)

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​CHARLOTTE Ė The N.C. Department of Transportation has awarded a $10.4 million contract to improve approximately 1.3 miles of I-77 south of uptown Charlotte between the Morehead Street and Brookshire Freeway exits.

The contract calls for milling and paving, concrete pavement repairs, and installing pavement markings and snowplowable markers. ​​​

The project also includes improvements to the northbound and southbound bridges over Morehead Street, Irwin Creek/Stewart Creek Greenway and Fourth/Trade Streets.

Contract crews will clean and paint the bridges, replace bridge joints, perform repair​​s to the concrete deck, and add a new deck overlay to smooth the ride for motorists.

Work can start as early as March 2 and is scheduled for completion in August 2021.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: VTGoose on February 06, 2020, 09:22:19 AM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-02-05-mecklenburg-interstate-contract-award.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-02-05-mecklenburg-interstate-contract-award.aspx)

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​CHARLOTTE Ė The N.C. Department of Transportation has awarded a $10.4 million contract to improve approximately 1.3 miles of I-77 south of uptown Charlotte between the Morehead Street and Brookshire Freeway exits.

The contract calls for milling and paving, concrete pavement repairs, and installing pavement markings and snowplowable markers. ​​​

The project also includes improvements to the northbound and southbound bridges over Morehead Street, Irwin Creek/Stewart Creek Greenway and Fourth/Trade Streets.

Contract crews will clean and paint the bridges, replace bridge joints, perform repair​​s to the concrete deck, and add a new deck overlay to smooth the ride for motorists.

Work can start as early as March 2 and is scheduled for completion in August 2021.

Is there something in the North Carolina Code that says I-77 must be perpetually under construction? In all the years I have gone up and down that highway, I can't think of any time when some section didn't have orange barrels, a reduced lane, or some other project going on.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Mileage Mike on February 07, 2020, 11:41:06 AM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-02-05-mecklenburg-interstate-contract-award.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-02-05-mecklenburg-interstate-contract-award.aspx)

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​CHARLOTTE Ė The N.C. Department of Transportation has awarded a $10.4 million contract to improve approximately 1.3 miles of I-77 south of uptown Charlotte between the Morehead Street and Brookshire Freeway exits.

The contract calls for milling and paving, concrete pavement repairs, and installing pavement markings and snowplowable markers. ​​​

The project also includes improvements to the northbound and southbound bridges over Morehead Street, Irwin Creek/Stewart Creek Greenway and Fourth/Trade Streets.

Contract crews will clean and paint the bridges, replace bridge joints, perform repair​​s to the concrete deck, and add a new deck overlay to smooth the ride for motorists.

Work can start as early as March 2 and is scheduled for completion in August 2021.

Is there something in the North Carolina Code that says I-77 must be perpetually under construction? In all the years I have gone up and down that highway, I can't think of any time when some section didn't have orange barrels, a reduced lane, or some other project going on.

Haha agreed. It won't be ending anytime soon either as they're still cleaning up the area around the tolls lanes and later in the decade they'll be rebuilding the entire highway south of Uptown.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on February 10, 2020, 11:51:14 AM
I-277 ramp closures continue this week.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-02-10-uptown-ramp-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-02-10-uptown-ramp-closures.aspx)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on February 24, 2020, 01:06:54 PM
I-277 ramp closures continue this week.

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-02-10-uptown-ramp-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-02-10-uptown-ramp-closures.aspx)

Another round coming up...

https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-02-24-uptown-ramp-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-02-24-uptown-ramp-closures.aspx)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on March 02, 2020, 03:15:16 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-03-02-uptown-ramp-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-03-02-uptown-ramp-closures.aspx)
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: AcE_Wolf_287 on March 10, 2020, 09:30:35 AM
Charlotte Needs another Main Interstate Route and 2 More Auxiliary Routes.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: tjcreasy on March 10, 2020, 03:50:02 PM
Charlotte missed that boat with the failure to convert Independence Boulevard to an interstate. The only remaining opportunity will be the potential routing of a Asheville to Wilmington interstate via I-485.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: jcarte29 on March 10, 2020, 10:16:01 PM
Charlotte Needs another Main Interstate Route and 2 More Auxiliary Routes.

This isnít Atlanta. Any other interstate would feel like Raleigh getting I-87, in other words, out of place. Where would the auxiliary routes go? 485 is already a 65 mile loop. 85 and 77 are as vital through routes as any in NC...
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: Revive 755 on March 10, 2020, 10:26:40 PM
^ An I-3x along the US 74 corridor wouldn't be out of place.

Going more fictional:

1) Upgrade Billy Graham Parkway to a 3di.
2) New spur off the Billy Graham Parkway 3di into the airport.
3) New route of I-85 near Concord to I-485 near the NC 27 interchange.

Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: index on March 11, 2020, 12:41:14 AM
^ An I-3x along the US 74 corridor wouldn't be out of place.

Going more fictional:

1) Upgrade Billy Graham Parkway to a 3di.
2) New spur off the Billy Graham Parkway 3di into the airport.
3) New route of I-85 near Concord to I-485 near the NC 27 interchange.
Adding on to that, I feel that if the Monroe Bypass was designated as a spur of I-85, (via 485) for one reason or another, it would see more use.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: AcE_Wolf_287 on March 11, 2020, 09:30:29 AM
Charlotte Needs another Main Interstate Route and 2 More Auxiliary Routes.

This isnít Atlanta. Any other interstate would feel like Raleigh getting I-87, in other words, out of place. Where would the auxiliary routes go? 485 is already a 65 mile loop. 85 and 77 are as vital through routes as any in NC...

I-36 or I-38 would be along US 74 and a another auxilary would be to crazy. maybe an outer loop for the metro area

i-877 would intersect

I-77/US 21 in Rock Hill, SC
I-85/US 29/US 74/US 321 in Gastonia
I-77/US 21 in Huntsville
I-85/US 29 in Concord
US 74/US 601 in Monroe
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on March 11, 2020, 02:13:00 PM
As far as an outer loop, NC150 is scheduled for major improvement between NC16 and I77.  It will be 6 lanes with no cross traffic.
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on March 16, 2020, 04:02:47 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-03-16-uptown-charlotte-ramp-closures.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-03-16-uptown-charlotte-ramp-closures.aspx)

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​CHARLOTTE Ė N.C. Department of Transportation contract crews have scheduled several closures this week as part of a $16.3 million project to improve the roadway and 22 bridges along I-277.​

Starting tonight, crews will close the ramps from East 5th Street to U.S. 74 East, from East 4th Street to the outer loop, and from the outer loop to U.S. 74 East. The closures will be in place from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m. each night through Friday morning, March 20.​​

On Wednesday and Thursday nights, the ramp from U.S. 74 West to the outer loop will be closed from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m.​​ The same ramp will close this weekend from 9 p.m. Friday until 6 a.m. Monday, March 23.

​All the work is weather permitting and subject to change. Detour information will be online at DriveNC.gov under Mecklenburg County.​​

Drivers need to slow down and use extra caution while going through the work zones and the detour routes. They also need to pay extra attention to the road for their own safety, as well as any passengers, occupants of other vehicles and the construction crews in the area.​
Title: Re: Charlotte
Post by: LM117 on March 28, 2020, 12:06:25 PM
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-03-27-weekend-striping-work.aspx (https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2020/2020-03-27-weekend-striping-work.aspx)

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CHARLOTTE Ė N.C. Department of Transportation contract crews on Sunday will temporarily close lanes on Interstate 77 at the West Boulevard overpass as part of a $12.8 million improvement of the highway between exits 5 and 10. ​​

The contract calls for milling and paving, repairing concrete, and installing pavement markings and snow plowable markers along the five-mile stretch. ​​

The project also includes improvements to the northbound and southbound bridges at West Boulevard, and the bridge exiting I-77 South to West Boulevard. Crews will paint the bridges, replace bridge joints, perform repairs to the concrete deck and add a new deck overlay to smooth the ride for motorists.​​​

Weather permitting, the closures will start at 7 a.m. Sunday so crews can complete lane striping and install pavement markers. Two of three lanes may be closed in each direction throughout the day. If work is not completed, closures will be scheduled for another day. ​​

Drivers are encouraged to slow down when approaching the work zone and to pay extra attention to construction.​