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Title: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on March 21, 2016, 10:08:41 PM
I'm creating this thread so we can discuss Illinois Tollway topics that do not need their own posts.

So I'll get started. Does anyone know why the twin U.S 20 bridges in Belvidere on I-90 are not being reconstructed? It kept appearing on the construction contract list from time to time, then disappeared randomly.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: peterj920 on March 22, 2016, 06:24:07 AM
It seems like the Illinois Tollway reconstruction plans omit the majority of bridges that cross over the tollways.  On the Tri-State Tollway, many of the bridges weren't reconstructed.  Signs warn that the road narrows at the overpass.  It's probably a cost savings move and they figure that widening the tollways is the biggest priority, and that traffic can deal without a shoulder for a short time under a bridge.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: quickshade on March 22, 2016, 03:57:23 PM
It seems like the Illinois Tollway reconstruction plans omit the majority of bridges that cross over the tollways.  On the Tri-State Tollway, many of the bridges weren't reconstructed.  Signs warn that the road narrows at the overpass.  It's probably a cost savings move and they figure that widening the tollways is the biggest priority, and that traffic can deal without a shoulder for a short time under a bridge.

This was not the case with I90, almost all bridges had to be rebuilt to handle the extra lanes and wider shoulder (for future use). Most of the cross roads have been rebuilt with the current widening, while some are being done post widening due to scheduling and making sure proper detours can be provided. Some, if not almost all the bridges were done were in need of replacement anyways (original to the highway in the 50's) so I think this is just a staggering effect to make sure the higher traveled bridges and I90 work gets done on time, and they don't get behind on the bridges that were required to be rebuilt in order to get the extra lane in.

As for what was mentioned above, U.S 20 is receiving some funds for maintenance work on the bridges themselves, I'm wondering if they plan on doing a rebuild on the interchange at some point and would rather wait for that before replacing the bridge structure.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on March 22, 2016, 04:38:04 PM
It seems like the Illinois Tollway reconstruction plans omit the majority of bridges that cross over the tollways.  On the Tri-State Tollway, many of the bridges weren't reconstructed.  Signs warn that the road narrows at the overpass.  It's probably a cost savings move and they figure that widening the tollways is the biggest priority, and that traffic can deal without a shoulder for a short time under a bridge.

That is because they cut corners big time on the Tri-State rebuild. Frankly, I don't know how they got away with that. Plus, most of the bridges are from the original 1950's construction and will have to be replaced eventually. It appears they learned their lesson and all of the I-90 crossroad bridges between Rockford and I-294 (except the Railroad bridge west of Belvidere, the Randall Road bridge and possibly the twin U.S 20 crossroad bridges west of Belvidere) have been or are being rebuilt.

This was not the case with I90, almost all bridges had to be rebuilt to handle the extra lanes and wider shoulder (for future use). Most of the cross roads have been rebuilt with the current widening, while some are being done post widening due to scheduling and making sure proper detours can be provided. Some, if not almost all the bridges were done were in need of replacement anyways (original to the highway in the 50's) so I think this is just a staggering effect to make sure the higher traveled bridges and I90 work gets done on time, and they don't get behind on the bridges that were required to be rebuilt in order to get the extra lane in.

As for what was mentioned above, U.S 20 is receiving some funds for maintenance work on the bridges themselves, I'm wondering if they plan on doing a rebuild on the interchange at some point and would rather wait for that before replacing the bridge structure.

The ramp bridge at the U.S 20 interchange in Marengo was redone a decade ago, if that is what you are talking about. I am talking about the twin U.S 20 crossroad bridges west of Belvidere. For whatever reason, they were on the schedule (in the future construction bid schedule) for two brief periods of time the last two years, but were removed a while after. I was wondering if anyone knew why. I doubt they are planning to put an interchange their, since they just spent money on completing the Irene Road interchange nearby.

Good news is, it looks like the IL-23 interchange may be moving forward. In 2017, they have a contract to reconstruct the IL-23 bridge and roadway, which means they may be expanding the road in order to accommodate ramps.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: lucas01aswell on March 22, 2016, 08:46:34 PM
anymore rember deerfeld toll plaza it wa s traffic hog
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on March 22, 2016, 10:20:38 PM
anymore rember deerfeld toll plaza it wa s traffic hog

Yeah, that one was bad news. The open road tolling has made quite a difference at many of them. One that I think the tollway should consider moving is the River Road Toll Plaza on I-90 East. That area is such a bottleneck, and anything the tollway can do to lessen the traffic there would make a world of difference. I know it could cause some complications with having to add plazas on ramps to I-90 East from I-294, but I have to believe there is something they could do about that. I don't know if this is getting into fictional territory...
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on March 28, 2016, 10:15:48 PM
anymore rember deerfeld toll plaza it wa s traffic hog

Yeah, that one was bad news. The open road tolling has made quite a difference at many of them. One that I think the tollway should consider moving is the River Road Toll Plaza on I-90 East. That area is such a bottleneck, and anything the tollway can do to lessen the traffic there would make a world of difference. I know it could cause some complications with having to add plazas on ramps to I-90 East from I-294, but I have to believe there is something they could do about that. I don't know if this is getting into fictional territory...

That might be impossible, if you move one toll, it will affect another. I don't know if this is going to be any help to I-90 east, but IDOT is planning to do a project named the Cumberland Flyover, http://www.idot.illinois.gov/projects/Cumberland-Flyover-Project (http://www.idot.illinois.gov/projects/Cumberland-Flyover-Project)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on March 28, 2016, 11:05:22 PM
Now that is badly needed. Cumberland needs something newer than the current ramp system and the Kennedy can't handle the bad merging situation there.

A what-if scenario: what if there wasn't an exit there? would we still have the bad merging problems?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dzlsabe on March 28, 2016, 11:43:36 PM
Yes?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on March 29, 2016, 12:22:30 AM
Now that is badly needed. Cumberland needs something newer than the current ramp system and the Kennedy can't handle the bad merging situation there.

A what-if scenario: what if there wasn't an exit there? would we still have the bad merging problems?

Needs to be wider down stream in to the city. The flyover can help a bit.

any one have the plans for the I-190 widening? Going in to the airport?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on March 29, 2016, 05:54:26 PM
Yeah, that one was bad news. The open road tolling has made quite a difference at many of them. One that I think the tollway should consider moving is the River Road Toll Plaza on I-90 East. That area is such a bottleneck, and anything the tollway can do to lessen the traffic there would make a world of difference. I know it could cause some complications with having to add plazas on ramps to I-90 East from I-294, but I have to believe there is something they could do about that. I don't know if this is getting into fictional territory...

If the plaza for eastbound I-90 was moved west - say to be part of the Devon Toll Plaza - traffic exiting eastbound I-90 to I-294 would be hit up again for tolls right away on I-294.

I do recall seeing a newspaper article from years ago where ISTHA apparently considered adding a new mainline toll plaza for I-90 somewhere around Schaumburg.


Now if there is a toll plaza or two that should be removed from I-90, it should be the ones at the I-290/IL 53 interchange.  It seems like a great missed opportunity with the I-90 rebuild, since the currently untolled ramps at Barrington and Roselle Roads will be tolled.  It would only require two additional plazas, one for the eastbound entrance from Beverly Road (which I hear a lot of people use instead of paying to enter from IL 25), and one for the entrances from IL 59.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on March 29, 2016, 11:27:53 PM
Yeah, that one was bad news. The open road tolling has made quite a difference at many of them. One that I think the tollway should consider moving is the River Road Toll Plaza on I-90 East. That area is such a bottleneck, and anything the tollway can do to lessen the traffic there would make a world of difference. I know it could cause some complications with having to add plazas on ramps to I-90 East from I-294, but I have to believe there is something they could do about that. I don't know if this is getting into fictional territory...

If the plaza for eastbound I-90 was moved west - say to be part of the Devon Toll Plaza - traffic exiting eastbound I-90 to I-294 would be hit up again for tolls right away on I-294.

I do recall seeing a newspaper article from years ago where ISTHA apparently considered adding a new mainline toll plaza for I-90 somewhere around Schaumburg.


Now if there is a toll plaza or two that should be removed from I-90, it should be the ones at the I-290/IL 53 interchange.  It seems like a great missed opportunity with the I-90 rebuild, since the currently untolled ramps at Barrington and Roselle Roads will be tolled.  It would only require two additional plazas, one for the eastbound entrance from Beverly Road (which I hear a lot of people use instead of paying to enter from IL 25), and one for the entrances from IL 59.

My only thought on that is that they might wait and see if IDOT will ever work with them to upgrade the interchange. If so, that could be a time they decide to remove the tolls there.

Sort of on the same topic, is the Meachem Road interchange being designed so that ramps could be added for Eastbound I-90 movements in the future? At the very least, I feel there should at least be an exit ramp for I-90 in this spot, as it could alleviate the mess on I-290 right in that spot near Woodfield (why IDOT didn't have a through auxiliary lane right there is beyond me).
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on March 30, 2016, 12:06:22 AM
Yeah, that one was bad news. The open road tolling has made quite a difference at many of them. One that I think the tollway should consider moving is the River Road Toll Plaza on I-90 East. That area is such a bottleneck, and anything the tollway can do to lessen the traffic there would make a world of difference. I know it could cause some complications with having to add plazas on ramps to I-90 East from I-294, but I have to believe there is something they could do about that. I don't know if this is getting into fictional territory...

If the plaza for eastbound I-90 was moved west - say to be part of the Devon Toll Plaza - traffic exiting eastbound I-90 to I-294 would be hit up again for tolls right away on I-294.

I do recall seeing a newspaper article from years ago where ISTHA apparently considered adding a new mainline toll plaza for I-90 somewhere around Schaumburg.


Now if there is a toll plaza or two that should be removed from I-90, it should be the ones at the I-290/IL 53 interchange.  It seems like a great missed opportunity with the I-90 rebuild, since the currently untolled ramps at Barrington and Roselle Roads will be tolled.  It would only require two additional plazas, one for the eastbound entrance from Beverly Road (which I hear a lot of people use instead of paying to enter from IL 25), and one for the entrances from IL 59.
maybe they can get rid of the toll to exit to I-290 if they add new tolls to ramps. Or at least some kind of  virtual ticket to have a big ETC discount for taking an exit after getting on at Barrington and Roselle Roads + IL-59
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on March 30, 2016, 09:19:04 PM
Sort of on the same topic, is the Meachem Road interchange being designed so that ramps could be added for Eastbound I-90 movements in the future? At the very least, I feel there should at least be an exit ramp for I-90 in this spot, as it could alleviate the mess on I-290 right in that spot near Woodfield (why IDOT didn't have a through auxiliary lane right there is beyond me).

Unfortunately not.  The gore for the ramps to I-290 and IL 53 from eastbound I-90 will be near the Meacham overpass, and the C-D roadway will be too close to the mainline to easily squeeze in future ramps.  Plus the C-D roadway will be under the same overpass as the main lanes, unlike the setup for westbound where the C-D roadway for the I-290/IL 53 ramps uses a shorter, separate structure set back enough from the main lanes to fit the ramps in.  But I suppose if they wanted to get fancy with braiding an eastbound entrance from Meacham and somehow add access to Meacham via Wiley Road (the south outer road for that stretch of I-90) they might be able to pull it off.

In short, I-90 at Meacham probably should have been designed similarly to I-55 at I-270/I-255 and US 50/US 61/US 67 south of St. Louis.  Aerial view of that one from Google (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mehlville,+MO/@38.5088376,-90.3362542,1701m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x87d8c814648c6c1d:0x8ece5508d3bed29a?hl=en)

The thinking I've heard is that the new eastbound exit to Roselle, plus the new eastbound exit to Barrington will take some pressure off the EB I-90 to EB I-290 ramp.  I do wonder though about the Tollway not planning for any additional traffic the new ramps may add to mainline.  There's also the possibility that the extra traffic may require more work on Roselle Road, such as filling the gap in the six lane section between IL 62 and Central Road.  Depending how the Motorola campus redevelopes, there could be a push in the future to look at getting another eastbound exit near Meacham.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on March 30, 2016, 09:40:59 PM
Sort of on the same topic, is the Meachem Road interchange being designed so that ramps could be added for Eastbound I-90 movements in the future? At the very least, I feel there should at least be an exit ramp for I-90 in this spot, as it could alleviate the mess on I-290 right in that spot near Woodfield (why IDOT didn't have a through auxiliary lane right there is beyond me).

Unfortunately not.  The gore for the ramps to I-290 and IL 53 from eastbound I-90 will be near the Meacham overpass, and the C-D roadway will be too close to the mainline to easily squeeze in future ramps.  Plus the C-D roadway will be under the same overpass as the main lanes, unlike the setup for westbound where the C-D roadway for the I-290/IL 53 ramps uses a shorter, separate structure set back enough from the main lanes to fit the ramps in.  But I suppose if they wanted to get fancy with braiding an eastbound entrance from Meacham and somehow add access to Meacham via Wiley Road (the south outer road for that stretch of I-90) they might be able to pull it off.

In short, I-90 at Meacham probably should have been designed similarly to I-55 at I-270/I-255 and US 50/US 61/US 67 south of St. Louis.  Aerial view of that one from Google (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mehlville,+MO/@38.5088376,-90.3362542,1701m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x87d8c814648c6c1d:0x8ece5508d3bed29a?hl=en)

The thinking I've heard is that the new eastbound exit to Roselle, plus the new eastbound exit to Barrington will take some pressure off the EB I-90 to EB I-290 ramp.  I do wonder though about the Tollway not planning for any additional traffic the new ramps may add to mainline.  There's also the possibility that the extra traffic may require more work on Roselle Road, such as filling the gap in the six lane section between IL 62 and Central Road.  Depending how the Motorola campus redevelopes, there could be a push in the future to look at getting another eastbound exit near Meacham.

6 lane part being extended a bit but the cemetery is in the way or they can cut into the forest preserve a bit.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on March 30, 2016, 11:10:36 PM
Sort of on the same topic, is the Meachem Road interchange being designed so that ramps could be added for Eastbound I-90 movements in the future? At the very least, I feel there should at least be an exit ramp for I-90 in this spot, as it could alleviate the mess on I-290 right in that spot near Woodfield (why IDOT didn't have a through auxiliary lane right there is beyond me).

Unfortunately not.  The gore for the ramps to I-290 and IL 53 from eastbound I-90 will be near the Meacham overpass, and the C-D roadway will be too close to the mainline to easily squeeze in future ramps.  Plus the C-D roadway will be under the same overpass as the main lanes, unlike the setup for westbound where the C-D roadway for the I-290/IL 53 ramps uses a shorter, separate structure set back enough from the main lanes to fit the ramps in.  But I suppose if they wanted to get fancy with braiding an eastbound entrance from Meacham and somehow add access to Meacham via Wiley Road (the south outer road for that stretch of I-90) they might be able to pull it off.

In short, I-90 at Meacham probably should have been designed similarly to I-55 at I-270/I-255 and US 50/US 61/US 67 south of St. Louis.  Aerial view of that one from Google (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mehlville,+MO/@38.5088376,-90.3362542,1701m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x87d8c814648c6c1d:0x8ece5508d3bed29a?hl=en)

The thinking I've heard is that the new eastbound exit to Roselle, plus the new eastbound exit to Barrington will take some pressure off the EB I-90 to EB I-290 ramp.  I do wonder though about the Tollway not planning for any additional traffic the new ramps may add to mainline.  There's also the possibility that the extra traffic may require more work on Roselle Road, such as filling the gap in the six lane section between IL 62 and Central Road.  Depending how the Motorola campus redevelopes, there could be a push in the future to look at getting another eastbound exit near Meacham.

6 lane part being extended a bit but the cemetery is in the way or they can cut into the forest preserve a bit.

I can imagine that those ramps will help either way, and they are sorely needed. If nothing else, people who live in Hoffman Estates and Schaumburg won't have to go all the way to I-290 if they're coming from the West for any reason or vice versa with going to the I-290 Interchange from where they live. I get the feeling a few of the roads around there might get a bit more burdened, and I can even see Meacham needing a widening North of Algonquin Road. Surprising they didn't think to try to accommodate a future expansion of the interchange at Meacham, but I guess at least they're getting one there at all.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on March 30, 2016, 11:11:27 PM
Just adding on to the I-90 construction, since it is expected to end sometime in 2016, will they start working on the Elgin O'Hare interchange where the old oasis was or will they wait till they reach that area, which I think will start in 2017-18?

Also did anyone know that the Illinois Tollway site has live cameras of the Elgin Ohare and the Northwest Tollway.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dzlsabe on March 30, 2016, 11:46:38 PM
Sort of on the same topic, is the Meachem Road interchange being designed so that ramps could be added for Eastbound I-90 movements in the future? At the very least, I feel there should at least be an exit ramp for I-90 in this spot, as it could alleviate the mess on I-290 right in that spot near Woodfield (why IDOT didn't have a through auxiliary lane right there is beyond me).

Unfortunately not.  The gore for the ramps to I-290 and IL 53 from eastbound I-90 will be near the Meacham overpass, and the C-D roadway will be too close to the mainline to easily squeeze in future ramps.  Plus the C-D roadway will be under the same overpass as the main lanes, unlike the setup for westbound where the C-D roadway for the I-290/IL 53 ramps uses a shorter, separate structure set back enough from the main lanes to fit the ramps in.  But I suppose if they wanted to get fancy with braiding an eastbound entrance from Meacham and somehow add access to Meacham via Wiley Road (the south outer road for that stretch of I-90) they might be able to pull it off.

In short, I-90 at Meacham probably should have been designed similarly to I-55 at I-270/I-255 and US 50/US 61/US 67 south of St. Louis.  Aerial view of that one from Google (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mehlville,+MO/@38.5088376,-90.3362542,1701m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x87d8c814648c6c1d:0x8ece5508d3bed29a?hl=en)

The thinking I've heard is that the new eastbound exit to Roselle, plus the new eastbound exit to Barrington will take some pressure off the EB I-90 to EB I-290 ramp.  I do wonder though about the Tollway not planning for any additional traffic the new ramps may add to mainline.  There's also the possibility that the extra traffic may require more work on Roselle Road, such as filling the gap in the six lane section between IL 62 and Central Road.  Depending how the Motorola campus redevelopes, there could be a push in the future to look at getting another eastbound exit near Meacham.

6 lane part being extended a bit but the cemetery is in the way or they can cut into the forest preserve a bit.

This is horrible. SIX lanes? The cemetery?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on March 31, 2016, 10:32:37 PM
I can imagine that those ramps will help either way, and they are sorely needed. If nothing else, people who live in Hoffman Estates and Schaumburg won't have to go all the way to I-290 if they're coming from the West for any reason or vice versa with going to the I-290 Interchange from where they live. I get the feeling a few of the roads around there might get a bit more burdened, and I can even see Meacham needing a widening North of Algonquin Road.

Meacham already needs widening between Algonquin Road and Kirchoff Road to at least get in a center turn lane.

Just adding on to the I-90 construction, since it is expected to end sometime in 2016, will they start working on the Elgin O'Hare interchange where the old oasis was or will they wait till they reach that area, which I think will start in 2017-18?

Last I heard they were going to wait until the West Bypass gets towards I-90, and that section was to be the last part done (around 2023-2025 time frame).  After building IL 390 between IL 83 and York Road, the next priority was to get a connection between IL 390 and I-294 IIRC.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on March 31, 2016, 11:26:46 PM

Just adding on to the I-90 construction, since it is expected to end sometime in 2016, will they start working on the Elgin O'Hare interchange where the old oasis was or will they wait till they reach that area, which I think will start in 2017-18?

Last I heard they were going to wait until the West Bypass gets towards I-90, and that section was to be the last part done (around 2023-2025 time frame).  After building IL 390 between IL 83 and York Road, the next priority was to get a connection between IL 390 and I-294 IIRC.

Well, I think it would be a good idea to at least start that interchange, maybe leave ramp stubs for now until the bypass reaches up there.

Also I found some concept designs for what they want to do for the bypass. (This should probably go into the Elgin Ohare thread)
South of the Elgin O'hare to I-294: http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/8320517/4_EOWA_ConceptPlan_WesternAccess_I-294 (http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/8320517/4_EOWA_ConceptPlan_WesternAccess_I-294)
It looks like the want to add an exit on County Line, north of North Ave and reconfigure that entire intersection which seems a bit confusing.
There will be a connector between Irving Park and Franklin, but there's a toll to use it, (that's stupid because there's a toll you go through to get off at Franklin)

North of the Elgin O'hare to I-90: http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/8320517/5_EOWA_ConceptPlan_TouhyAveCorridor (http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/8320517/5_EOWA_ConceptPlan_TouhyAveCorridor)
Looks like they will put Old Higgins Road to use to ease congestion on Higgins and Elmhurst. There will be a C&D ramp for Elmhurst and the Bypass interchange so maybe they will do work on the interchange.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dzlsabe on March 31, 2016, 11:49:08 PM
That flyover the Tri-state from I-88 and N294, eliminating the oval, needs a serious study.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on April 01, 2016, 10:57:45 PM
That flyover the Tri-state from I-88 and N294, eliminating the oval, needs a serious study.

Also, I will include that narrow loop from NB I-294 to WB/NB I-290. I'm hoping that gets addressed with the Central I-294 rebuild (who knows since IDOT would also have to be involved though).
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on April 02, 2016, 10:19:18 AM
Removing the River Road Toll Plaza and combining it with the Devon Avenue Toll Plaza was a serious missed opportunity by ISTHA. They could have constructed an eastbound portion of the Devon Avenue Toll Plaza by removing some of the cash lanes on the WB side, thus leaving enough ROW for an eastbound plaza. Then, the River Road plaza could have been eliminated entirely, and ISTHA and IDOT could have rebuilt/widened I-90 between I-294 and the Edens to eight lanes (minimum). Combine that with the Cumberland flyover and that solves most of the traffic problems in this area.

BTW, what is the status on the Cumberland flyover? Is it being constructed this year? It appears from the project page on IDOTs website that only the East River Road Bridge will be reconstructed this year.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on April 02, 2016, 02:22:37 PM
Removing the River Road Toll Plaza and combining it with the Devon Avenue Toll Plaza was a serious missed opportunity by ISTHA. They could have constructed an eastbound portion of the Devon Avenue Toll Plaza by removing some of the cash lanes on the WB side, thus leaving enough ROW for an eastbound plaza. Then, the River Road plaza could have been eliminated entirely, and ISTHA and IDOT could have rebuilt/widened I-90 between I-294 and the Edens to eight lanes (minimum). Combine that with the Cumberland flyover and that solves most of the traffic problems in this area.

BTW, what is the status on the Cumberland flyover? Is it being constructed this year? It appears from the project page on IDOTs website that only the East River Road Bridge will be reconstructed this year.

But then you have problems. If the Devon toll plaza was an east-west plaza, then getting onto I-294 means you have to go through the Touhy or the Irving Park toll plazas. That interchange is just a huge mess and I think needs major work even though there are some parts that are fine.


What the Tri-State tollway needs though are more interchanges. Here's a list I came up with:

These are possibly awful ideas, I am not to good at calculating if the can fit or not.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on April 02, 2016, 03:36:41 PM
Removing the River Road Toll Plaza and combining it with the Devon Avenue Toll Plaza was a serious missed opportunity by ISTHA. They could have constructed an eastbound portion of the Devon Avenue Toll Plaza by removing some of the cash lanes on the WB side, thus leaving enough ROW for an eastbound plaza. Then, the River Road plaza could have been eliminated entirely, and ISTHA and IDOT could have rebuilt/widened I-90 between I-294 and the Edens to eight lanes (minimum). Combine that with the Cumberland flyover and that solves most of the traffic problems in this area.

BTW, what is the status on the Cumberland flyover? Is it being constructed this year? It appears from the project page on IDOTs website that only the East River Road Bridge will be reconstructed this year.

But then you have problems. If the Devon toll plaza was an east-west plaza, then getting onto I-294 means you have to go through the Touhy or the Irving Park toll plazas. That interchange is just a huge mess and I think needs major work even though there are some parts that are fine.


What the Tri-State tollway needs though are more interchanges. Here's a list I came up with:
  • Lake Ave or Milwaukee Ave: It's hard to find a quick way to Abt when you are going north on 294, you have to go to Willow Road and then make your way back south or take Dempster and there is always traffic. But Abt isn't the only reason I want an exit/entrance there. Residents, businesses, more access to the tollway.
  • Dempster St: It's an incomplete interchange, maybe on the east side of the tollway, have a partial diamond interchange to allow drivers from Dempster to enter the tollway to go NB. Add a SB exit ramp that goes onto Rand.
  • Touhy Ave: Same thing as Dempster. I don't know why they didn't do that for these incomplete interchanges.
  • St. Charles Rd: There is room between 290 and 294 if they decide to remove 290's clover ramps and combine the interchange so SB 294 can exit there along with NB(OB) 290 curving around and joining SB 294's exit ramp and St. Charles drivers enter to get onto SB 294 and curve around and onto NB (OB) 290. It would involve a traffic signal.
  • Roosevelt Rd: Fix the interchange, those ramps have some sharp turns.
  • Cermak Rd: I feel like there's room to add an entrance onto SB 294.
  • 88th Ave: There seems to be some room to add a NB exit ramp onto 88th ave, maybe even room to add an entrance onto NB 294.
  • 115th St: NB Exit? Possibly a SB entrance too via Ridgeland Ave between the Channel and the trailer park?

These are possibly awful ideas, I am not to good at calculating if the can fit or not.

I covered some
http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10015.msg2104950#msg2104950
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on April 03, 2016, 02:18:22 PM
115th or maybe even Central Ave is needed. That would relieve traffic from 95th and Cicero/127th. The only problem with Central is businesses in the way. 115th you could play around with all that land by the technical college and your idea with the land between the Cal Sag and the trailer park
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on April 03, 2016, 08:23:35 PM
Speed limit on I-90 between I-39 and just west of Randall Road has not been raised to 70 as of today.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dzlsabe on April 04, 2016, 11:16:43 PM
A tunnel under I-94 from WB 94 to SB 294 would be a great eventuality.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on April 06, 2016, 11:04:57 AM
That might be impossible, if you move one toll, it will affect another. I don't know if this is going to be any help to I-90 east, but IDOT is planning to do a project named the Cumberland Flyover, http://www.idot.illinois.gov/projects/Cumberland-Flyover-Project (http://www.idot.illinois.gov/projects/Cumberland-Flyover-Project)
Wait wait wait.  So they're building a new flyover ramp so EB I-90 traffic can more easily access SB Cumberland because of the proximity of the on-ramp from EB I-190.

Look just a little bit to the west.  The new location of the SB Cumberland off-ramp is going to be RIGHT AFTER the onramp from NB I-294, instead of being RIGHT AFTER the I-190 onramp.  LMAO IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME PROBLEM IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION  :rofl:  They're just moving the weave issues further west!  And I love how they conveniently cut the rest of the I-294 interchange out of the diagram shown on the webpage (linked in quote above)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on April 06, 2016, 09:28:51 PM
^ It appears that, depending upon how ISTHA has I-90 configured post-rebuild, that the weave would be separated from mainline traffic, and EB I-90 to SB Cumberland traffic would have to exit through the toll plaza.

(Edited to fix typo)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on April 17, 2016, 09:58:55 AM
I find the Cumberland Flyover to be a problem because it is strictly South Cumberland, it doesn't help any drivers who are going north on Cumberland or into the CTA lot.

I remember we used to get off at Cumberland a lot but it got so bad we started getting off at River Road coming from 294.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on April 17, 2016, 10:43:06 PM
I find the Cumberland Flyover to be a problem because it is strictly South Cumberland, it doesn't help any drivers who are going north on Cumberland or into the CTA lot.

I remember we used to get off at Cumberland a lot but it got so bad we started getting off at River Road coming from 294.
I practice that exact method to this very day.  Every time I go into the city on the blue line, I get off at River and go to the CTA lot on Cumberland, by way of Higgins.  It's so bad there.  And I'm pretty certain that traffic getting to the Cumberland SB ramp isn't the problem...this project makes no sense.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on June 20, 2016, 11:22:01 PM
The Tollway will be permanently closing the eastern loop ramps on the Farnsworth Avenue interchange this week.

http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/5a296b3d-4eb9-4f39-8412-ae5b0e45bb19 (http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/5a296b3d-4eb9-4f39-8412-ae5b0e45bb19)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on June 21, 2016, 02:05:08 AM
I find the Cumberland Flyover to be a problem because it is strictly South Cumberland, it doesn't help any drivers who are going north on Cumberland or into the CTA lot.

I remember we used to get off at Cumberland a lot but it got so bad we started getting off at River Road coming from 294.

huh?? I thought the cta parking lot was off south cumberland
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on June 21, 2016, 08:15:42 PM
I find the Cumberland Flyover to be a problem because it is strictly South Cumberland, it doesn't help any drivers who are going north on Cumberland or into the CTA lot.

I remember we used to get off at Cumberland a lot but it got so bad we started getting off at River Road coming from 294.

huh?? I thought the cta parking lot was off south cumberland
In order to get to the CTA lot, you have to get off at north exit and then cross Cumberland.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: hobsini2 on June 23, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
The Tollway will be permanently closing the eastern loop ramps on the Farnsworth Avenue interchange this week.

http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/5a296b3d-4eb9-4f39-8412-ae5b0e45bb19 (http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/5a296b3d-4eb9-4f39-8412-ae5b0e45bb19)

So in other words, 2 new lights on Farnsworth in a stretch that already has lights at Bilter Rd, Outlet Blvd, and Molitor Rd. Brilliant. SMDH.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on June 24, 2016, 06:10:32 PM
The Tollway will be permanently closing the eastern loop ramps on the Farnsworth Avenue interchange this week.

http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/5a296b3d-4eb9-4f39-8412-ae5b0e45bb19 (http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/5a296b3d-4eb9-4f39-8412-ae5b0e45bb19)

So in other words, 2 new lights on Farnsworth in a stretch that already has lights at Bilter Rd, Outlet Blvd, and Molitor Rd. Brilliant. SMDH.

Those new signals better feature an interconnect.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on August 04, 2016, 08:22:29 PM
I guess the new Lee Street eastbound exit ramp on I-90 will be built next year

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160621/news/160629723/ (http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160621/news/160629723/)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on August 06, 2016, 10:42:00 AM
I went to look at that stretch of I-90 on Google Earth and I realized... Did they update the Satellite imagery?? I checked Balmoral, it's completely finished the on the imagery and the Thorndale Interchange is up to date.

I am just wondering if they would move that road south of I-90 to make room for the EB exit ramp for Lee.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on August 06, 2016, 11:41:55 AM
Yes, Google finally put out an update for some of Chicagoland; I can tell by the progress on some of the bridges over I-90 and how they have some sections with traffic routed to the outer edges of the roadway.  Lake and McHenry County though do not seem to have been updated.

The newer imagery also shows the stub for the future entrance to WB I-90 from Central Road in Schaumburg.

Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on August 06, 2016, 11:57:02 AM
Yes, Google finally put out an update for some of Chicagoland; I can tell by the progress on some of the bridges over I-90 and how they have some sections with traffic routed to the outer edges of the roadway.  Lake and McHenry County though do not seem to have been updated.

The newer imagery also shows the stub for the future entrance to WB I-90 from Central Road in Schaumburg.

And I just noticed that there's going to be on WB on-ramp at Meacham, I thought there'd only be an off-ramp.

Oh and it looks like there's bridge work at the River Road toll plaza, every year that's under construction. Other than the Elgin O'Hare and the NW Tollway, there's not much to look at in terms of the Tollways. I guess Route 59 and I-88 is another interchange to check out.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on August 06, 2016, 04:16:47 PM

The newer imagery also shows the stub for the future entrance to WB I-90 from Central Road in Schaumburg.

Where?  All I see is what looks like a construction entrance for contractors' access off Central Rd.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on August 06, 2016, 05:39:55 PM
Yes, Google finally put out an update for some of Chicagoland; I can tell by the progress on some of the bridges over I-90 and how they have some sections with traffic routed to the outer edges of the roadway.  Lake and McHenry County though do not seem to have been updated.

The newer imagery also shows the stub for the future entrance to WB I-90 from Central Road in Schaumburg.

It seems Google always does the Chicago area in waves.  Usually Lake and McHenry Counties are updated a month or so later. 
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on August 06, 2016, 09:17:16 PM

The newer imagery also shows the stub for the future entrance to WB I-90 from Central Road in Schaumburg.

Where?  All I see is what looks like a construction entrance for contractors' access off Central Rd.

Here. (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0658079,-88.0872973,415m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en)  The shoulder would not widen out like that for a contractor's entrance, nor would it have that concrete section.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on September 01, 2016, 10:14:15 PM
Yes, Google finally put out an update for some of Chicagoland; I can tell by the progress on some of the bridges over I-90 and how they have some sections with traffic routed to the outer edges of the roadway.  Lake and McHenry County though do not seem to have been updated.

The newer imagery also shows the stub for the future entrance to WB I-90 from Central Road in Schaumburg.

It seems Google always does the Chicago area in waves.  Usually Lake and McHenry Counties are updated a month or so later.

Lake and McHenry County have been updated now.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: quickshade on September 12, 2016, 09:24:16 AM
Tollway has a new website. Got on it briefly this morning to try and update I-pass info but that stuff was down while they were getting the new website up, trying to load it up now seems to take forever so hopefully in the next few hours it gets faster.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: JREwing78 on September 17, 2016, 09:46:15 AM
Tollway has a new website. Got on it briefly this morning to try and update I-pass info but that stuff was down while they were getting the new website up, trying to load it up now seems to take forever so hopefully in the next few hours it gets faster.

It's not even 9am on a Saturday. It's still pathetically slow. And the cap on password length to 20 characters is inexcusable on a brand-new website.

Oh, and you can't look at your history before September 7th.

Seriously?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on September 17, 2016, 10:23:06 AM
And you can't even view the live images of the construction on the website. I liked the old website better.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: quickshade on September 18, 2016, 11:23:27 AM
You guys are right, the website is still painful slow at times and the live images don't seem to work. However I did a little digging into the source code and found the camera hosting links. I've linked to them below.

https://www.earthcam.net/projects/illinoistollway/foxriver/index.php (https://www.earthcam.net/projects/illinoistollway/foxriver/index.php)

http://www.earthcam.net/projects/illinoistollway/barrington/?cam=mpr&archiveid=1 (http://www.earthcam.net/projects/illinoistollway/barrington/?cam=mpr&archiveid=1)

http://www.earthcam.net/projects/illinoistollway/i90m5/?cam=mpr&archiveid=1 (http://www.earthcam.net/projects/illinoistollway/i90m5/?cam=mpr&archiveid=1)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on September 18, 2016, 09:42:46 PM
Mind getting the Elgin Ohare ones too?

EDIT:
http://www.earthcam.net/projects/illinoistollway/290interchange/?cam=pano (http://www.earthcam.net/projects/illinoistollway/290interchange/?cam=pano)

http://www.earthcam.net/projects/illinoistollway/wooddale/index.php (http://www.earthcam.net/projects/illinoistollway/wooddale/index.php)

Never mind I figured it out.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: spell4yr on September 29, 2016, 06:31:55 PM
The OCD in me will just be happy when they fix the gore signs on I-80/294 at Halsted (the BGSs are correct in 2B, then 2A, but the gore signs are reversed).
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on September 29, 2016, 07:21:20 PM
The OCD in me will just be happy when they fix the gore signs on I-80/294 at Halsted (the BGSs are correct in 2B, then 2A, but the gore signs are reversed).

How about the weird striping/signage where 294 Northbound drops a lane for about 10 feet just at the I-90 tri-level interchange? What is the reason for that??? I would have thought that they would just keep a continuous fourth lane when they rebuilt/widened I-294 through that area.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on September 29, 2016, 10:00:59 PM
The OCD in me will just be happy when they fix the gore signs on I-80/294 at Halsted (the BGSs are correct in 2B, then 2A, but the gore signs are reversed).

How about the weird striping/signage where 294 Northbound drops a lane for about 10 feet just at the I-90 tri-level interchange? What is the reason for that??? I would have thought that they would just keep a continuous fourth lane when they rebuilt/widened I-294 through that area.

To make the split flow better? I have used as an lane at least once was not able to get over in time. But maybe when they rebuild the central part in 2020-2022 they can fix it.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on October 09, 2016, 01:12:18 PM
It's official: I hate the new Tollway website.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on October 09, 2016, 09:57:02 PM
It's official: I hate the new Tollway website.

Not a huge fan of the revamp either. With that said, it's still way better and much more informative (not to mention, up to date) than the joke of a website IDOT has.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dvferyance on October 14, 2016, 06:46:31 PM
Jake and Elwood hated Illinois Nazis. I hate Illinois Tollways.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on October 15, 2016, 09:25:32 PM
Jack and Elwood hated Illinois Nazis. I hate Illinois Tollways.
Just get an license plate with the registration address of 1060 west addison an use it to drive for free.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: rarnold on October 16, 2016, 01:44:24 PM
It was Jake, not Jack.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on November 13, 2016, 04:08:39 PM
Does anyone know the status of the master plan for the Central Tri-State rebuild? Nothing new has been posted since earlier this year.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dvferyance on November 13, 2016, 06:10:03 PM
It was Jake, not Jack.
I know must have been a typo I have since corrected.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on November 13, 2016, 10:07:21 PM
I've noticed that the tollways never have their names on the BGS signs. The only times I've seen the Tollways' names used were on a single brown sign near their Starting sections and they include a little picture. Also I know that where 355 and 88 cross over, there's a single green sign that says N-S Tollway and E-W Tollway. I feel like the Tri-State has one but I don't know and that's one of the oldest expressways in the Chicagoland area.

The non-Toll interstates use their names on the BGS signs and even on the ones for Tollways. Just check the signs for the Circle interchange and the Stevenson / Ryan interchange, they all use their names Kennedy, Eisenhower, Ryan, Stevenson. Anyone know why this is?

EDIT: Image for reference, this was an old sign that has now been removed. The new one doesn't use Tri-State and doesn't use N-W Tollway but keeps Kennedy Expy (http://www.billburmaster.com/rmsandw/illinois/images/nb294at90190b.jpg)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on November 14, 2016, 05:44:32 AM
The names on Tollway signs were removed to make way for federal mandated "TOLL" warning strips.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: quickshade on November 14, 2016, 05:29:59 PM
Does anyone know the status of the master plan for the Central Tri-State rebuild? Nothing new has been posted since earlier this year.

Design phase still, expect it to ramp up after next year when the new EOWA work wraps up and remaining I90 work is completed.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on November 14, 2016, 06:14:15 PM
Does anyone know the status of the master plan for the Central Tri-State rebuild? Nothing new has been posted since earlier this year.

Design phase still, expect it to ramp up after next year when the new EOWA work wraps up and remaining I90 work is completed.
The older? eoe plans for the I-294 / north ave area showed some of it but with only 4 each way + aux / exit only lanes main line maybe the newer ones for that have 5 each way + wide shoulders + 2 aux / exit lanes.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on November 14, 2016, 09:20:00 PM
Does anyone know the status of the master plan for the Central Tri-State rebuild? Nothing new has been posted since earlier this year.

Design phase still, expect it to ramp up after next year when the new EOWA work wraps up and remaining I90 work is completed.
The older? eoe plans for the I-294 / north ave area showed some of it but with only 4 each way + aux / exit only lanes main line maybe the newer ones for that have 5 each way + wide shoulders + 2 aux / exit lanes.

The stretch between the I-90 interchange and I-290/I-88 interchange area desperately needs to be five each way with applicable aux where necessary. That stretch is such a source of backups, especially Southbound during the afternoon rush (and these backups often go all the way to Golf Road). Here's hoping they can address that.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on November 15, 2016, 09:41:39 AM
The Cumberland flyover begins today and lasts until a projected fall 2018 deadline
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on November 15, 2016, 06:21:22 PM
I feel like this Cumberland Flyover won't help at all. From the looks of it the map plan, the are pushing the merge of I-90 and I-190 past East River Road and then having a separate set of lanes for Cumberland South...?
Now I question South because that's really dumb, it should be for both North and South on Cumberland because 90 drops a lane because that 4th lane is for the N Cumberland Exit and forces 90 to be 3 lanes. I really feel like this won't do much. The only pros are that East River Road gets a new bridge and the South Cumberland Ramp gets catered to.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on November 15, 2016, 06:34:13 PM
I feel like this Cumberland Flyover won't help at all. From the looks of it the map plan, the are pushing the merge of I-90 and I-190 past East River Road and then having a separate set of lanes for Cumberland South...?
Now I question South because that's really dumb, it should be for both North and South on Cumberland because 90 drops a lane because that 4th lane is for the N Cumberland Exit and forces 90 to be 3 lanes. I really feel like this won't do much. The only pros are that East River Road gets a new bridge and the South Cumberland Ramp gets catered to.

It's because idiots from the left lanes of kennedy have to merge past 190 traffic to get off cumberland south to get on the blue line causing backups.

This + 4 laned to Harlem should help with the congestion.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dzlsabe on November 15, 2016, 11:18:47 PM
That should or will "help"??? I agree with your skepticism. Is that even the tollway? Maybe just rearrange the road signs (again) to ninety to, too, or two.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on November 16, 2016, 07:50:01 AM
Technically it's an IDOT project, I don't even think the tollway is part of it. And no, rearranging road sign numbers will do anything. What is this, let me pick my favorite number and see where it will take me?

Like it can work with the weaving problem but then you still have to do some weaving to get off at NB Cumberland.

Also I'd like to add that when they redid Cumberland, it looks like they thought about the future. It looks like you can add 2 more lanes onto the Kennedy underneath Cumberland. But the problem is the CTA and the parking garage restrict you from doing that on the EB side
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: jwags on November 16, 2016, 11:02:09 AM
I feel like this Cumberland Flyover won't help at all. From the looks of it the map plan, the are pushing the merge of I-90 and I-190 past East River Road and then having a separate set of lanes for Cumberland South...?
Now I question South because that's really dumb, it should be for both North and South on Cumberland because 90 drops a lane because that 4th lane is for the N Cumberland Exit and forces 90 to be 3 lanes. I really feel like this won't do much. The only pros are that East River Road gets a new bridge and the South Cumberland Ramp gets catered to.

It's because idiots from the left lanes of kennedy have to merge past 190 traffic to get off cumberland south to get on the blue line causing backups.

This + 4 laned to Harlem should help with the congestion.

You do realize the only way to get to the blue line is by getting off at Cumberland North, right?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on November 16, 2016, 01:26:55 PM
I feel like this Cumberland Flyover won't help at all. From the looks of it the map plan, the are pushing the merge of I-90 and I-190 past East River Road and then having a separate set of lanes for Cumberland South...?
Now I question South because that's really dumb, it should be for both North and South on Cumberland because 90 drops a lane because that 4th lane is for the N Cumberland Exit and forces 90 to be 3 lanes. I really feel like this won't do much. The only pros are that East River Road gets a new bridge and the South Cumberland Ramp gets catered to.

It's because idiots from the left lanes of kennedy have to merge past 190 traffic to get off cumberland south to get on the blue line causing backups.

This + 4 laned to Harlem should help with the congestion.

You do realize the only way to get to the blue line is by getting off at Cumberland North, right?

Nope, never got off cumberland. I always head straight to the Kennedy.

Every time I get stuck in traffic by cumberland I just see idiots and crazy taxi drivers merging hard right.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on November 25, 2016, 09:39:54 AM
I feel like this Cumberland Flyover won't help at all. From the looks of it the map plan, the are pushing the merge of I-90 and I-190 past East River Road and then having a separate set of lanes for Cumberland South...?
Now I question South because that's really dumb, it should be for both North and South on Cumberland because 90 drops a lane because that 4th lane is for the N Cumberland Exit and forces 90 to be 3 lanes. I really feel like this won't do much. The only pros are that East River Road gets a new bridge and the South Cumberland Ramp gets catered to.

It's because idiots from the left lanes of kennedy have to merge past 190 traffic to get off cumberland south to get on the blue line causing backups.

This + 4 laned to Harlem should help with the congestion.

You do realize the only way to get to the blue line is by getting off at Cumberland North, right?

Nope, never got off cumberland. I always head straight to the Kennedy.

Every time I get stuck in traffic by cumberland I just see idiots and crazy taxi drivers merging hard right.

This is sadly going to be another case where a nice upgrade by the Tollway is overshadowed by IDOT's lack of upgrades or half hazard job of doing one (see I-88 inbound at the Hillside strangler). I-90 at I-290 in Schaumburg will be another. The newer interchanges the Tollway has generally done a good job of at least keeping the mess off their portion (essentially, showing exactly where the burden of upgrades remains with IDOT). This includes I-355 at I-55 or I-355 at I-80 (which actually forced IDOT to finally widen I-80 in this area).

However, this is one I haven't seen mentioned as much, but during the upcoming reconstruction of I-294, I really hope the agencies will take an opportunity to look at the I-55 to I-294 movements. Some of these really need to be redone. IDOT's upgrades in the late 90s early 2000s merely helped with the narrowness of their portion of the interchange, but this is another case where the SB I-294 to NB I-55 loop should be upgraded to a flyover. What makes this one especially bad, in my opinion, is the high level of truck traffic (it never fails that I get stuck behind a slow moving semi on a ramp here).
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on November 25, 2016, 03:34:46 PM
This is sadly going to be another case where a nice upgrade by the Tollway is overshadowed by IDOT's lack of upgrades or half hazard job of doing one (see I-88 inbound at the Hillside strangler). I-90 at I-290 in Schaumburg will be another. The newer interchanges the Tollway has generally done a good job of at least keeping the mess off their portion (essentially, showing exactly where the burden of upgrades remains with IDOT). This includes I-355 at I-55 or I-355 at I-80 (which actually forced IDOT to finally widen I-80 in this area).

I wonder what would need to be done in the future when (not if, because it will need to happen someday) the I-290/IL-53 system interchange is finally addressed. It does not seem like the work on I-90 was designed to accommodate future improvements to the interchange, which you would have thought they'd at least done so the construction is minimally disruptive in the future.

However, I don't think they will do exactly what was planned in this document (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/96652/2007-10-31-I-90-LAMP-EXEC-SUMMARY.pdf/ec1183d3-55f4-4db0-9998-7d64e8fe8ca7?version=1.0 (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/96652/2007-10-31-I-90-LAMP-EXEC-SUMMARY.pdf/ec1183d3-55f4-4db0-9998-7d64e8fe8ca7?version=1.0)) simply because it would require too much ROW. Though I wonder if they could shift the interchange slightly east?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on November 25, 2016, 04:36:16 PM
Oh that's interesting! Barrington was meant to have a different interchange, Roselle's interchange was supposed to tie in with I-290 and a planned Plum Grove interchange, and then Meacham and 290 are different.

I was also looking through the Illinois Tollway's site and found a document with a different Meacham interchange design, originally there wasn't a C&D ramp to the right of the Meacham on-off ramp, you just had to merge in to get off.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on November 25, 2016, 11:13:32 PM
This is sadly going to be another case where a nice upgrade by the Tollway is overshadowed by IDOT's lack of upgrades or half hazard job of doing one (see I-88 inbound at the Hillside strangler). I-90 at I-290 in Schaumburg will be another. The newer interchanges the Tollway has generally done a good job of at least keeping the mess off their portion (essentially, showing exactly where the burden of upgrades remains with IDOT). This includes I-355 at I-55 or I-355 at I-80 (which actually forced IDOT to finally widen I-80 in this area).

I wonder what would need to be done in the future when (not if, because it will need to happen someday) the I-290/IL-53 system interchange is finally addressed. It does not seem like the work on I-90 was designed to accommodate future improvements to the interchange, which you would have thought they'd at least done so the construction is minimally disruptive in the future.

However, I don't think they will do exactly what was planned in this document (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/96652/2007-10-31-I-90-LAMP-EXEC-SUMMARY.pdf/ec1183d3-55f4-4db0-9998-7d64e8fe8ca7?version=1.0 (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/96652/2007-10-31-I-90-LAMP-EXEC-SUMMARY.pdf/ec1183d3-55f4-4db0-9998-7d64e8fe8ca7?version=1.0)) simply because it would require too much ROW. Though I wonder if they could shift the interchange slightly east?

Some thoughts on this proposed interchange against what would or could be done now:

1. The loop ramp in the NE corner would almost certainly not be built or feasible now since Meacham is only accessible from traffic on WB I-90 solely. This would allow for the ramp from WB I-90 to NB IL 53 to be straightened and to do something about the very short merge in that direction.
2. Instead of a loop from WB I-90 to SB IL 53, why not just make that a flyover (they seem to have the space needed to do it)? This eliminates the ROW issue in the NW corner of the interchange, and the only property that might be taken is the Joe's Crab Shack.
3. I actually think the work on I-90 itself does provide for some accommodation. The merges onto I-90 are definitely longer, and I feel the ramp from EB I-90 especially has a longer deceleration area (probably so the Woodfield traffic doesn't back up onto the mainline as easily as it used to). Agreed, though, it would take some work that could impact mainline I-90 traffic at the interchange.
4. I would hope IDOT would do more to address some of the IL 53 congestion issues just North of this interchange as well. That merge from the six lanes (three express, three local) down to three in such a short period is bad news each rush hour evening.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: quickshade on November 26, 2016, 01:28:27 AM
That interchange design is pretty old and was originally done when they thought IDOT and local cities were going to contribute more than 50% to the project. Since that never happened because IDOT funding not only dried up but also became a political war downstate on the funding breakdowns and schaumburg basically said fu** off with that design plan (did not want a 3 tier level interchange) the tollway scraped the plan and the i90 rebuild was put on the shelf along with it.

Once the tollway approved Move Illinois the first project on the list was i90 and they directly worked out a plan that did not rebuild the interchange but instead made sure that any delays on the local roads did not affect mainline i90 itself. It was a big F you back to IDOT who had already said they did not have the resources or funds to rebuild the interchange. That being said there is some possibilities that could happen down the road. I just hope IDOT gets its head out from the sand.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on December 10, 2016, 03:52:54 PM
Nothing to major but the I-355 project is finished, or at least from what I saw on the 75th street bridge. It is now 4 lanes all the way from 88 to 55.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on December 10, 2016, 06:58:42 PM
Once the tollway approved Move Illinois the first project on the list was i90 and they directly worked out a plan that did not rebuild the interchange but instead made sure that any delays on the local roads did not affect mainline i90 itself.

I'm not sure they succeeded here with the I-90 EB to I-290 EB ramp - I think it has still managed to back up far enough to interfere with mainline I-90 at least once already.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on December 18, 2016, 04:34:13 PM
Why is 355 untolled between 290 and Army Trail?  Did that section exist before the rest of the tollway?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on December 18, 2016, 04:43:55 PM
Why is 355 untolled between 290 and Army Trail?  Did that section exist before the rest of the tollway?

That section was built in 1970's before the tollway built the section between Army Trail and I-55 in the '80s.

Here are some helpful information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_355
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on December 18, 2016, 04:53:54 PM
Why is 355 untolled between 290 and Army Trail?  Did that section exist before the rest of the tollway?

That section was built in 1970's before the tollway built the section between Army Trail and I-55 in the '80s.

Here are some helpful information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_355

In addition, IL-53 used to be signed on the freeway from Army Trail northward.  After the tollway was built in 1989 as I-355, IL-53 was moved off the freeway to Biesterfield.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on December 18, 2016, 10:01:48 PM
That's kind of like how I-88 isn't tolled all the way through or how the Jane Addams isn't tolled up to the State line.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: pianocello on December 19, 2016, 10:42:14 AM
That's kind of like how I-88 isn't tolled all the way through or how the Jane Addams isn't tolled up to the State line.

More like the opposite, at least for I-88. In I-355's case, the untolled section came first, while the East-West/Reagan (I-88) Tollway was built to Rock Falls before the free part was built.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: hobsini2 on December 20, 2016, 07:26:11 PM
That's kind of like how I-88 isn't tolled all the way through or how the Jane Addams isn't tolled up to the State line.

More like the opposite, at least for I-88. In I-355's case, the untolled section came first, while the East-West/Reagan (I-88) Tollway was built to Rock Falls before the free part was built.
But the freeway part was done that way as the alternative to upgrading IL 2 to 4 lanes if I recall.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: slorydn1 on December 20, 2016, 11:55:47 PM
Why is 355 untolled between 290 and Army Trail?  Did that section exist before the rest of the tollway?

That section was built in 1970's before the tollway built the section between Army Trail and I-55 in the '80s.

Here are some helpful information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_355 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_355)

It's funny how time muddies the picture one has in their mind. If you hadn't posted the Wiki on this I would have been adamant that the freeway actually ended at US-20 (Lake St) and that we had to transition over to Rohlwing to get to Army Trail (and further down to North Ave as well). Right after we moved to Schaumburg from Michigan in 1979 my dad bought a used VW Microbus from the Volkswagen dealership that used to be on North Ave in Villa Park and whenever we needed service for it he would bring it back there. There was also an old style Italian food market that has super fresh fruits and vegetables on North Ave in Melrose Park that I cannot for the life of me remember the name of, and for whatever reason my dad would go down 53 to North Ave instead of I-290 to 83.

I also don't remember 53 being taken off the freeway before I left the Chicago area for good in December of 1990 as Brandon states but I could be very wrong on that, too.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: hobsini2 on December 21, 2016, 09:56:22 PM
Why is 355 untolled between 290 and Army Trail?  Did that section exist before the rest of the tollway?

That section was built in 1970's before the tollway built the section between Army Trail and I-55 in the '80s.

Here are some helpful information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_355 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_355)

It's funny how time muddies the picture one has in their mind. If you hadn't posted the Wiki on this I would have been adamant that the freeway actually ended at US-20 (Lake St) and that we had to transition over to Rohlwing to get to Army Trail (and further down to North Ave as well). Right after we moved to Schaumburg from Michigan in 1979 my dad bought a used VW Microbus from the Volkswagen dealership that used to be on North Ave in Villa Park and whenever we needed service for it he would bring it back there. There was also an old style Italian food market that has super fresh fruits and vegetables on North Ave in Melrose Park that I cannot for the life of me remember the name of, and for whatever reason my dad would go down 53 to North Ave instead of I-290 to 83.

I also don't remember 53 being taken off the freeway before I left the Chicago area for good in December of 1990 as Brandon states but I could be very wrong on that, too.
53 was moved off when the new Biesterfield Rd interchange was finished. I don't recall if that was 1990 but that sounds about right.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: quickshade on January 24, 2017, 03:25:35 PM
(https://s23.postimg.org/4yxaicex7/Green_Lanes.jpg)

Never forget......
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on January 24, 2017, 03:56:22 PM
^^ Those signs were forced on the Tollway by the governor.  As soon as they could, the Tollway covered them up with the plaza name and number.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on January 25, 2017, 12:53:32 AM
^^ Those signs were forced on the Tollway by the governor.  As soon as they could, the Tollway covered them up with the plaza name and number.

What a sleezeball... Loved Obama denying him a pardon. should have went with the plaza name and number anyways
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on January 25, 2017, 08:01:14 PM
^^ Those signs were forced on the Tollway by the governor.  As soon as they could, the Tollway covered them up with the plaza name and number.
any one got one of them?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Henry on January 26, 2017, 10:17:36 AM
(https://s23.postimg.org/4yxaicex7/Green_Lanes.jpg)

Never forget......
Just goes to show what an egotistical sonofabitch Blago was.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: bulldog1979 on January 27, 2017, 02:14:17 AM
(https://s23.postimg.org/4yxaicex7/Green_Lanes.jpg)

Never forget......

We we attended the Chicago–Milwaukee two-day "national" meet in June 2008, the question came up about how to pronounce "Blagojevich" after seeing his name on all of the ORT gantries. My reply at the time was: "soon to be indicted".
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on February 11, 2017, 04:07:07 PM
Hinsdale is not too happy with the some of the proposals for the Central Tri-State rebuild.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/western-springs/news/ct-dhd-hinsdale-tollway-widening-tl-0216-20170209-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/western-springs/news/ct-dhd-hinsdale-tollway-widening-tl-0216-20170209-story.html)

I guess they really are serious about adding a fifth lane. Heck, according to the article, they are even considering adding two lanes, bring it to a total of six lanes in each direction (probably a little overkill, adding a fifth lane and wider shoulders would be sufficient). Hinsdale is worried about how that will encroach on people's backyards as well as the possible removal of the Hinsdale Oasis.

I haven't seen any new updates about the Central Tri-State rebuild in over a year, I wonder what the specific plans actually are. Does anyone know?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on February 12, 2017, 12:57:28 AM
Hinsdale is not too happy with the some of the proposals for the Central Tri-State rebuild.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/western-springs/news/ct-dhd-hinsdale-tollway-widening-tl-0216-20170209-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/western-springs/news/ct-dhd-hinsdale-tollway-widening-tl-0216-20170209-story.html)

I guess they really are serious about adding a fifth lane. Heck, according to the article, they are even considering adding two lanes, bring it to a total of six lanes in each direction (probably a little overkill, adding a fifth lane and wider shoulders would be sufficient). Hinsdale is worried about how that will encroach on people's backyards as well as the possible removal of the Hinsdale Oasis.

I haven't seen any new updates about the Central Tri-State rebuild in over a year, I wonder what the specific plans actually are. Does anyone know?

Didn't specify whether the hinsdale oasis closure would be permanent or temporary. Glad to see at least Western Springs and Indian springs are being realistic, not surprised that Hinsdale is throwing a fit.

They did say that the tollway is looking into adding a bus lane for pace, so that could be what they mean by "two additional lanes."

I just wish they could fix the mess that is 294/290/88.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on February 12, 2017, 12:31:00 PM
I just wish they could fix the mess that is 294/290/88.

I have a feeling the 294/290/88 interchange is going to be a disappointment similar to how the I-90/I-290/IL 53 interchange is/was with the I-90 rebuild.

 
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: quickshade on February 12, 2017, 12:46:30 PM
I know they don't like it, but I think they need to realize that this is better for the whole as far as traffic is concerned and needs to happen.

As far as lost revenue, 500k a year is a lot of money but not to the tollway. I'd say have the tollway calculate that into the budget as something like 250k for each year of construction, that coupled with all the workers being in that area buying lunches, drinks, and other things should balance out what they miss from the oasis.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dzlsabe on February 12, 2017, 01:46:42 PM
I just wish they could fix the mess that is 294/290/88.

Gee, maybe if we wish really hard?
I wish five sided stars were six.

"They" (IDOT and ISTHA) have not yet figured out who is in charge of mess Strangler, let alone what to do about it.

Widening the TriState again, or HOVing the Ike are the current salami slabs thrown at it.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on February 12, 2017, 01:56:48 PM
When will the rebuild probably start?

I hope they can add a couple new ramps. They can fit a ramp at Cork Ave right before the LaGrange/Archer interchange
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on February 12, 2017, 02:34:36 PM
When will the rebuild probably start?

I hope they can add a couple new ramps. They can fit a ramp at Cork Ave right before the LaGrange/Archer interchange

It will take place from 2020-2022, according to the Tollway. We should know the final master plan sometime this year. I know I'm really curious to see what they have planned, and whether or not they'll add a fifth lane.

It does look like both the O'Hare and Hinsdale Oasis will be on the chopping block though. Oh well.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on February 12, 2017, 03:22:10 PM
When will the rebuild probably start?

I hope they can add a couple new ramps. They can fit a ramp at Cork Ave right before the LaGrange/Archer interchange

It will take place from 2020-2022, according to the Tollway. We should know the final master plan sometime this year. I know I'm really curious to see what they have planned, and whether or not they'll add a fifth lane.

It does look like both the O'Hare and Hinsdale Oasis will be on the chopping block though. Oh well.

Least the surrounding suburbs will be able to fend off your cravings being missed at the Oasis  :-P

Another thing I'm curious as to if they'll do it: Would they replace the concrete sections redone for the open road tollbooths with the rebuild, even though they are only 10 years old? Outside of a fresh coat of paint, those sections still seem to be in decent shape.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on February 12, 2017, 04:03:02 PM
When will the rebuild probably start?

I hope they can add a couple new ramps. They can fit a ramp at Cork Ave right before the LaGrange/Archer interchange

It will take place from 2020-2022, according to the Tollway. We should know the final master plan sometime this year. I know I'm really curious to see what they have planned, and whether or not they'll add a fifth lane.

It does look like both the O'Hare and Hinsdale Oasis will be on the chopping block though. Oh well.



Another thing I'm curious as to if they'll do it: Would they replace the concrete sections redone for the open road tollbooths with the rebuild, even though they are only 10 years old? Outside of a fresh coat of paint, those sections still seem to be in decent shape.

Did they do that with the Jane Addams rebuild?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on February 12, 2017, 04:48:05 PM
When will the rebuild probably start?

I hope they can add a couple new ramps. They can fit a ramp at Cork Ave right before the LaGrange/Archer interchange

It will take place from 2020-2022, according to the Tollway. We should know the final master plan sometime this year. I know I'm really curious to see what they have planned, and whether or not they'll add a fifth lane.

It does look like both the O'Hare and Hinsdale Oasis will be on the chopping block though. Oh well.

Least the surrounding suburbs will be able to fend off your cravings being missed at the Oasis  :-P

Another thing I'm curious as to if they'll do it: Would they replace the concrete sections redone for the open road tollbooths with the rebuild, even though they are only 10 years old? Outside of a fresh coat of paint, those sections still seem to be in decent shape.
will they widen them to 5 lanes? (can be done with dropping the shoulders at the tolls).
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on February 12, 2017, 05:53:10 PM
I just wish they could fix the mess that is 294/290/88.

I have a feeling the 294/290/88 interchange is going to be a disappointment similar to how the I-90/I-290/IL 53 interchange is/was with the I-90 rebuild.

Maybe, maybe not. 2020-2022 is the same time period IDOT is going to rebuild the IKE. Hopefully they'll coordinate something and fix it. Traffic on both is going to suck during construction however though.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on February 12, 2017, 05:55:18 PM
When will the rebuild probably start?

I hope they can add a couple new ramps. They can fit a ramp at Cork Ave right before the LaGrange/Archer interchange

It will take place from 2020-2022, according to the Tollway. We should know the final master plan sometime this year. I know I'm really curious to see what they have planned, and whether or not they'll add a fifth lane.

It does look like both the O'Hare and Hinsdale Oasis will be on the chopping block though. Oh well.



Another thing I'm curious as to if they'll do it: Would they replace the concrete sections redone for the open road tollbooths with the rebuild, even though they are only 10 years old? Outside of a fresh coat of paint, those sections still seem to be in decent shape.

Did they do that with the Jane Addams rebuild?

Don't think so. I know the eastbound and westbound toll plaza by 294 they just left alone. It was 3 lanes in and 4 lanes out, but I think they just rebuilt the road and left the toll plaza exactly the same.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on February 13, 2017, 03:25:22 PM
Oh boy, Tri-State and the Ike at the same time, that would be hell.

I really want to see the plan.

Also while I was checking out streetview on the Jane Addams, I came across a sign for Cumberland which I assume will be filled in when the flyover is complete.
(http://i.imgur.com/Imm2TCU.png)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: quickshade on February 14, 2017, 12:35:27 PM
Route 23 bridge rebuild work starts today on I90, bridge will be down to one lane through mid summer while half the bridge is rebuilt, once first half is complete 2 lanes of traffic will be possible while the other half of the bridge is finished into the fall of 2017. Will leave room for future interchange ramps.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on February 16, 2017, 09:38:32 PM
While trying to find information online for the central Tri-State rebuild, I found this instead:  http://www.hohgroup.com/TearSheets/Assoc/ISTHA-Devon%20Ave%20Interchange%20at%20I-294.pdf (http://www.hohgroup.com/TearSheets/Assoc/ISTHA-Devon%20Ave%20Interchange%20at%20I-294.pdf)

Something that is coming or a project that died?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on February 16, 2017, 11:22:26 PM
While trying to find information online for the central Tri-State rebuild, I found this instead:  http://www.hohgroup.com/TearSheets/Assoc/ISTHA-Devon%20Ave%20Interchange%20at%20I-294.pdf (http://www.hohgroup.com/TearSheets/Assoc/ISTHA-Devon%20Ave%20Interchange%20at%20I-294.pdf)

Something that is coming or a project that died?

I'm not sure, but that would be a horrible place for a interchange! Too close to the I-90 interchange and the Touhy Toll Plaza. It would probably be a better idea to reconfigure/expand the Touhy Ave or Dempster Street interchange into a full one rather than do this.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on February 16, 2017, 11:37:38 PM
While trying to find information online for the central Tri-State rebuild, I found this instead:  http://www.hohgroup.com/TearSheets/Assoc/ISTHA-Devon%20Ave%20Interchange%20at%20I-294.pdf (http://www.hohgroup.com/TearSheets/Assoc/ISTHA-Devon%20Ave%20Interchange%20at%20I-294.pdf)

Something that is coming or a project that died?

I'm not sure, but that would be a horrible place for a interchange! Too close to the I-90 interchange and the Touhy Toll Plaza. It would probably be a better idea to reconfigure/expand the Touhy Ave or Dempster Street interchange into a full one rather than do this.

Honestly the whole I-55 to I-90 corridor on 294 needs some major express/local lanes. The major backups occur due to idiots going all the way from the left lane and trying to exit or idiots who fail to speed up adequately when entering the highway.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on February 18, 2017, 04:32:01 PM
While trying to find information online for the central Tri-State rebuild, I found this instead:  http://www.hohgroup.com/TearSheets/Assoc/ISTHA-Devon%20Ave%20Interchange%20at%20I-294.pdf (http://www.hohgroup.com/TearSheets/Assoc/ISTHA-Devon%20Ave%20Interchange%20at%20I-294.pdf)

Something that is coming or a project that died?

File date 06-Jul-2009
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on February 20, 2017, 12:19:20 AM
While trying to find information online for the central Tri-State rebuild, I found this instead:  http://www.hohgroup.com/TearSheets/Assoc/ISTHA-Devon%20Ave%20Interchange%20at%20I-294.pdf (http://www.hohgroup.com/TearSheets/Assoc/ISTHA-Devon%20Ave%20Interchange%20at%20I-294.pdf)

Something that is coming or a project that died?

I'm not sure, but that would be a horrible place for a interchange! Too close to the I-90 interchange and the Touhy Toll Plaza. It would probably be a better idea to reconfigure/expand the Touhy Ave or Dempster Street interchange into a full one rather than do this.

Honestly the whole I-55 to I-90 corridor on 294 needs some major express/local lanes. The major backups occur due to idiots going all the way from the left lane and trying to exit or idiots who fail to speed up adequately when entering the highway.
I see the majority of the slow downs from like 190 to Wolf Road, and then a bit past the Cermak Toll Plaza heading south. And those areas don't really have many exits. The former having Balmoral get on, the Toll Plaza, Irving Park getting off and the Oasis. And the latter having Ogden and the Oasis.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on February 20, 2017, 10:38:51 AM
While trying to find information online for the central Tri-State rebuild, I found this instead:  http://www.hohgroup.com/TearSheets/Assoc/ISTHA-Devon%20Ave%20Interchange%20at%20I-294.pdf (http://www.hohgroup.com/TearSheets/Assoc/ISTHA-Devon%20Ave%20Interchange%20at%20I-294.pdf)

Something that is coming or a project that died?

I'm not sure, but that would be a horrible place for a interchange! Too close to the I-90 interchange and the Touhy Toll Plaza. It would probably be a better idea to reconfigure/expand the Touhy Ave or Dempster Street interchange into a full one rather than do this.

Honestly the whole I-55 to I-90 corridor on 294 needs some major express/local lanes. The major backups occur due to idiots going all the way from the left lane and trying to exit or idiots who fail to speed up adequately when entering the highway.
I see the majority of the slow downs from like 190 to Wolf Road, and then a bit past the Cermak Toll Plaza heading south. And those areas don't really have many exits. The former having Balmoral get on, the Toll Plaza, Irving Park getting off and the Oasis. And the latter having Ogden and the Oasis.
I-88 to Ogden needs full aux lanes and to widen I-294 ogden needs to be come a SPUI.  The loop ramps at I-55 & I-290 can jam up. There needs to be an C/D lane to make the I-290 & I-88 ramps flow better.

I-88 can use 4 lanes from I-294 to the Express /  manual split or to this (http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r781/Joe_Blasi/IL38I-88alt_zps8099020e.png)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dcharlie on February 20, 2017, 03:04:45 PM
Has anyone ever heard a good reason from ISTHA on why the speed limit between Rockford and Elgin is only 65?  That stretch of road has to be one of the safest sections of road in the entire Interstate System.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dvferyance on February 20, 2017, 07:06:55 PM
Is Roselle Road still getting a WB onramp. I was there yesterday and there still isn't one. Barrington Rd now has one but not Roselle.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: CtrlAltDel on February 20, 2017, 07:13:19 PM
Is Roselle Road still getting a WB onramp. I was there yesterday and there still isn't one. Barrington Rd now has one but not Roselle.

Yeah, but it won't be on Roselle Road itself. It'll be off of Central.

Past that, does anyone have any info on the land acquisition for the new central Tri-State? It runs through my old stomping grounds, and I hope they won't need too much.

Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on February 20, 2017, 07:14:20 PM
Is Roselle Road still getting a WB onramp. I was there yesterday and there still isn't one. Barrington Rd now has one but not Roselle.

There is an merge sign for it.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on February 20, 2017, 07:33:18 PM
Past that, does anyone have any info on the land acquisition for the new central Tri-State? It runs through my old stomping grounds, and I hope they won't need too much.

Nothing as of yet (at least that I can find). They have yet to release the master plan, which should happen sometime this year. I am eagerly awaiting it, as I am curious to know whether or not they'll go with the fifth lane.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: nwi_navigator_1181 on February 20, 2017, 09:55:37 PM
Has anyone ever heard a good reason from ISTHA on why the speed limit between Rockford and Elgin is only 65?  That stretch of road has to be one of the safest sections of road in the entire Interstate System.

It was theorized in a previous thread that there is consideration to raise the speed limit in that stretch to 70 after the entire O'Hare to Rockford stretch has been finished. I thought it made sense, since it would be easier to assess flow not being hampered by construction, sudden lane shifts, and sudden sharp drops in speed limits.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dvferyance on February 20, 2017, 10:01:20 PM
Is Roselle Road still getting a WB onramp. I was there yesterday and there still isn't one. Barrington Rd now has one but not Roselle.

There is an merge sign for it.
I saw that but there is still no ramp. Did they run out of money or something?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: nwi_navigator_1181 on February 20, 2017, 10:15:45 PM
Is Roselle Road still getting a WB onramp. I was there yesterday and there still isn't one. Barrington Rd now has one but not Roselle.

There is an merge sign for it.
I saw that but there is still no ramp. Did they run out of money or something?

Work just got suspended for the "winter." Ramp should be ready by later this summer.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on February 20, 2017, 11:37:06 PM
Is Roselle Road still getting a WB onramp. I was there yesterday and there still isn't one. Barrington Rd now has one but not Roselle.

There is an merge sign for it.
I saw that but there is still no ramp. Did they run out of money or something?

Work just got suspended for the "winter." Ramp should be ready by later this summer.

The work was originally supposed to take place last year, but Cook County couldn't do their portion needed on Central Road (where the actual WB ramp is going to be) until this year. Once they are able to start the work there, the Tollway will finish the ramp. The merge and lighting on I-90 itself is already done, so this should cause little disruption to I-90 traffic itself.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on February 24, 2017, 07:21:21 PM
The Tollway will begin phasing out the coin baskets at the exit ramps for new machines that will accept credit cards and bills.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170223/news/170229424/ (http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170223/news/170229424/)

What the heck took them so long with this? This should have been done the same time they converted the mainline plazas to Open Road Tolling.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dvferyance on February 24, 2017, 09:06:15 PM
The Tollway will begin phasing out the coin baskets at the exit ramps for new machines that will accept credit cards and bills.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170223/news/170229424/ (http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170223/news/170229424/)

What the heck took them so long with this? This should have been done the same time they converted the mainline plazas to Open Road Tolling.
Good idea it's so annoying to have to carry so much change for the exit ramps now I won't have to anymore.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on February 24, 2017, 10:16:34 PM
The Tollway will begin phasing out the coin baskets at the exit ramps for new machines that will accept credit cards and bills.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170223/news/170229424/ (http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170223/news/170229424/)

What the heck took them so long with this? This should have been done the same time they converted the mainline plazas to Open Road Tolling.
Good idea it's so annoying to have to carry so much change for the exit ramps now I won't have to anymore.

Of course, you could always get an I-Pass and make it easier and cheaper.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on February 24, 2017, 11:44:35 PM
The Tollway will begin phasing out the coin baskets at the exit ramps for new machines that will accept credit cards and bills.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170223/news/170229424/ (http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170223/news/170229424/)

What the heck took them so long with this? This should have been done the same time they converted the mainline plazas to Open Road Tolling.
Good idea it's so annoying to have to carry so much change for the exit ramps now I won't have to anymore.

Of course, you could always get an I-Pass and make it easier and cheaper.
without a doubt.  I ended up fumbling about when using a credit card to pay a toll on the Kansas Turnpike - If only the I(EZ)-Pass was compatible with K-Tag.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on February 25, 2017, 06:03:56 PM
The Tollway will begin phasing out the coin baskets at the exit ramps for new machines that will accept credit cards and bills.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170223/news/170229424/ (http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170223/news/170229424/)

What the heck took them so long with this? This should have been done the same time they converted the mainline plazas to Open Road Tolling.
Will they move more ramps to I-pass only when they do this?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: cwm1276 on February 26, 2017, 08:19:40 AM
I was on 90 yesterday, and the 70 mile an hour speed limits signs were going up between Elgin and Rockford.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on February 26, 2017, 10:53:24 AM
I was on 90 yesterday, and the 70 mile an hour speed limits signs were going up between Elgin and Rockford.

FINALLY! They BADLY needed to raise the speed limit as most of the people are doing 75-80 mph...  :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: cwm1276 on February 26, 2017, 11:33:40 AM
80 was a comfortable speed, other than the slower traffic really needs to keep right.  Running into someone doing 65 in the middle lane started causing traffic all trying to get around.

The grooves in the road and my tires just don't play well, the northbound center lane and the tire grooves get together and the car starts wiggling according to the pavement grooves.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: JREwing78 on February 26, 2017, 11:50:17 AM
I was on 90 yesterday, and the 70 mile an hour speed limits signs were going up between Elgin and Rockford.

Much needed and overdue. This is the highest-quality Interstate highway in the state; throttling it down to a lower speed than lower-quality stretches was illogical.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on February 26, 2017, 02:10:22 PM
I was on 90 yesterday, and the 70 mile an hour speed limits signs were going up between Elgin and Rockford.
now make it from I-294 to Elgin at least 60-65.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on February 26, 2017, 03:56:09 PM
I was on 90 yesterday, and the 70 mile an hour speed limits signs were going up between Elgin and Rockford.
now make it from I-294 to Elgin at least 60-65.

That should be 70 too. Honestly anything west of I-294 should be up to 70 and east should be 60 or 65.

Or just make it all 70, who cares... Everyone drives 70 everywhere in the area on the highways
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: quickshade on February 26, 2017, 06:58:02 PM
I was on 90 yesterday, and the 70 mile an hour speed limits signs were going up between Elgin and Rockford.
now make it from I-294 to Elgin at least 60-65.

That should be 70 too. Honestly anything west of I-294 should be up to 70 and east should be 60 or 65.

Or just make it all 70, who cares... Everyone drives 70 everywhere in the area on the highways

Obviously that's the plan, but all major construction has to be finished up and they have to evaluate traffic with the new lanes and exits before they can do that. Expect them to increase it next summer (2018) or spring 2019.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: hobsini2 on February 26, 2017, 07:13:16 PM
The Tollway will begin phasing out the coin baskets at the exit ramps for new machines that will accept credit cards and bills.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170223/news/170229424/ (http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170223/news/170229424/)

What the heck took them so long with this? This should have been done the same time they converted the mainline plazas to Open Road Tolling.

Well it is a lot quicker and easier to throw coins in a basket instead of trying to insert a bill like a vending machine. It also takes a few seconds longer. That probably has something to do with it.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: nwi_navigator_1181 on February 26, 2017, 07:36:22 PM
I was on 90 yesterday, and the 70 mile an hour speed limits signs were going up between Elgin and Rockford.

LONG overdue and very welcome. Just in time too, as I plan to navigate the O'Hare to Rockford stretch this spring when we take a getaway trip to Dubuque, Iowa.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dvferyance on February 27, 2017, 08:37:44 PM
The Tollway will begin phasing out the coin baskets at the exit ramps for new machines that will accept credit cards and bills.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170223/news/170229424/ (http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170223/news/170229424/)

What the heck took them so long with this? This should have been done the same time they converted the mainline plazas to Open Road Tolling.
Good idea it's so annoying to have to carry so much change for the exit ramps now I won't have to anymore.

Of course, you could always get an I-Pass and make it easier and cheaper.
I probably would have if my brother hadn't moved back up here some years ago. Ever sine I don't travel to Illinois nearly as much as I used to.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: GeekJedi on February 28, 2017, 04:46:36 PM
The Tollway will begin phasing out the coin baskets at the exit ramps for new machines that will accept credit cards and bills.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170223/news/170229424/ (http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170223/news/170229424/)

What the heck took them so long with this? This should have been done the same time they converted the mainline plazas to Open Road Tolling.
Good idea it's so annoying to have to carry so much change for the exit ramps now I won't have to anymore.

Of course, you could always get an I-Pass and make it easier and cheaper.
I probably would have if my brother hadn't moved back up here some years ago. Ever sine I don't travel to Illinois nearly as much as I used to.

Even if you go infrequently (like I do) it's still a good deal. You don't get charged a fee to have one, and the money (I think the refill amount can be as low as $20) will sit there indefinitely until you use it. Beats having to stop at a booth and pay a 100% markup.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dvferyance on March 02, 2017, 05:02:34 PM
I was thinking will these new machines also be installed on mainline plazas too one day.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on March 02, 2017, 05:19:23 PM
I was thinking will these new machines also be installed on mainline plazas too one day.

Why?  Would simply be better to go all AET with 87% of tollway users using I-Pass or EZ Pass.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dave069 on March 02, 2017, 05:57:35 PM
I was on 90 yesterday, and the 70 mile an hour speed limits signs were going up between Elgin and Rockford.

Dope! About time that stretch became 70 mph. Has the south end of I-355 been bumped up to 70 as well? I know the Tollway wanted to have that happen as well.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on March 02, 2017, 07:30:51 PM
I was thinking will these new machines also be installed on mainline plazas too one day.

Why?  Would simply be better to go all AET with 87% of tollway users using I-Pass or EZ Pass.

Technically all the mainline cash lanes are equipped with I-Pass sensors ;-) your just forced to stop at the cash lanes. I've only done that if I'm too late to merge or forced into the cash lanes only via on-ramp
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dvferyance on March 02, 2017, 08:13:30 PM
I was thinking will these new machines also be installed on mainline plazas too one day.

Why?  Would simply be better to go all AET with 87% of tollway users using I-Pass or EZ Pass.
So they don't have to pay employees to collect cash. The Indiana toll road does this.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on March 03, 2017, 10:03:59 AM
I was thinking will these new machines also be installed on mainline plazas too one day.

Why?  Would simply be better to go all AET with 87% of tollway users using I-Pass or EZ Pass.
So they don't have to pay employees to collect cash. The Indiana toll road does this.

Don't have to pay employees to collect cash...don't have to transport the cash to a bank...don't have to account for the cash...don't have to worry about theft...
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on March 07, 2017, 07:14:45 PM
Next phase of the Farnsworth Interchange begins this month. Traffic uses the new bridge, final old one gets torn down
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on March 07, 2017, 07:30:12 PM
New contracts going out for bid

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc

looks like they updated their website for 2017 construction. Appears as though they're rebuilding the bridges on 90 in Rockford.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on March 07, 2017, 08:57:28 PM
New contracts going out for bid

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc

looks like they updated their website for 2017 construction. Appears as though they're rebuilding the bridges on 90 in Rockford.

Seems like something they should have done when they rebuilt that stretch ~10 years ago.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on March 07, 2017, 10:18:28 PM
New contracts going out for bid

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc

looks like they updated their website for 2017 construction. Appears as though they're rebuilding the bridges on 90 in Rockford.

Seems like something they should have done when they rebuilt that stretch ~10 years ago.

Lack of $$$? Tollway didn't raise tolls until 2012.

Money from the 2000s' 294 widening, that segment of 90, and 88 widening were from the doubling of cash tolls if I recall.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on March 08, 2017, 12:00:15 AM
New contracts going out for bid

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc

looks like they updated their website for 2017 construction. Appears as though they're rebuilding the bridges on 90 in Rockford.

Are they actually going to make IL-47 a full interchange or is that just repairs to the current alignment?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: JREwing78 on March 08, 2017, 12:47:04 AM
New contracts going out for bid

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc)

looks like they updated their website for 2017 construction. Appears as though they're rebuilding the bridges on 90 in Rockford.

Seems like something they should have done when they rebuilt that stretch ~10 years ago.

I suspect the work in 2008 and 2009 was envisioned as a shorter-term project. They poured asphalt instead of concrete for the driving surface, and overlaid the original 1950's roadbed for the outside lanes. They also didn't replace overpasses along that stretch (aside from the I-39/US-20 interchange).

ISTHA understood that it needed to deliver congestion relief to the I-39/90 stretch in Winnebago County before it completed work farther east. That road was one miserable son-of-a-bitch before the widening and the Open Road Tolling were implemented. The previous I-39/US-20 interchange was not going to handle the additional influx of truck traffic avoiding the sections of I-90 east to Chicago, opting to use I-88 or I-80 instead. And, frankly, they needed that stretch to move more traffic to help generate toll revenue to finance the rest of the work.

Note also that they completed the I-355 stretch south to I-80 before starting on I-90 between Rockford and I-294, again laying a foundation for a relief route via I-88 to keep traffic off the sections of I-90 under construction.

Now that they've completed the majority of the Rockford to I-294 work, they can prep the Winnebago County stretch for more permanent widening work. My speculation is that within the next 10-20 years, ISTHA will come back and widen the Winnebago County stretch to 8 lanes, either in its entirety or in part (say, widen north from I-39/US-20 to Riverside, then down to 6 lanes northward). It'll also likely get the same improvements we see on I-90 east of Rockford - including the median lighting.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on March 08, 2017, 09:31:50 AM
New contracts going out for bid

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc

looks like they updated their website for 2017 construction. Appears as though they're rebuilding the bridges on 90 in Rockford.

Are they actually going to make IL-47 a full interchange or is that just repairs to the current alignment?

http://www.sugargroveinterchange.org/
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on March 08, 2017, 11:47:54 AM
New contracts going out for bid

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc

looks like they updated their website for 2017 construction. Appears as though they're rebuilding the bridges on 90 in Rockford.

Are they actually going to make IL-47 a full interchange or is that just repairs to the current alignment?

http://www.sugargroveinterchange.org/

There's certainly space for a full diamond interchange there.  The northeast quadrant is an ISTHA yard, and ISTHA, I believe, also owns enough land already in the southeast quadrant.  The hardest part will be extending the four-lane portion of IL-47 north to the interchange (it's approximately 1 mile).
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on March 08, 2017, 06:23:23 PM
New contracts going out for bid

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc

looks like they updated their website for 2017 construction. Appears as though they're rebuilding the bridges on 90 in Rockford.

Are they actually going to make IL-47 a full interchange or is that just repairs to the current alignment?

http://www.sugargroveinterchange.org/

There's certainly space for a full diamond interchange there.  The northeast quadrant is an ISTHA yard, and ISTHA, I believe, also owns enough land already in the southeast quadrant.  The hardest part will be extending the four-lane portion of IL-47 north to the interchange (it's approximately 1 mile).

It's a needed extension though, makes sense to have it 4 lanes between Sugar Grove and I-88
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: hobsini2 on March 08, 2017, 07:17:33 PM
New contracts going out for bid

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc

looks like they updated their website for 2017 construction. Appears as though they're rebuilding the bridges on 90 in Rockford.

Are they actually going to make IL-47 a full interchange or is that just repairs to the current alignment?

http://www.sugargroveinterchange.org/

There's certainly space for a full diamond interchange there.  The northeast quadrant is an ISTHA yard, and ISTHA, I believe, also owns enough land already in the southeast quadrant.  The hardest part will be extending the four-lane portion of IL-47 north to the interchange (it's approximately 1 mile).

It's a needed extension though, makes sense to have it 4 lanes between Sugar Grove and I-88
I don't see it getting 4 laned thru Elburn or Lily Lake. More likely, the 4 lane will be between US 20 and I-90 in the near future.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on March 08, 2017, 07:41:17 PM
New contracts going out for bid

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc

looks like they updated their website for 2017 construction. Appears as though they're rebuilding the bridges on 90 in Rockford.

Are they actually going to make IL-47 a full interchange or is that just repairs to the current alignment?

http://www.sugargroveinterchange.org/

There's certainly space for a full diamond interchange there.  The northeast quadrant is an ISTHA yard, and ISTHA, I believe, also owns enough land already in the southeast quadrant.  The hardest part will be extending the four-lane portion of IL-47 north to the interchange (it's approximately 1 mile).

It's a needed extension though, makes sense to have it 4 lanes between Sugar Grove and I-88
I don't see it getting 4 laned thru Elburn or Lily Lake. More likely, the 4 lane will be between US 20 and I-90 in the near future.

You'd have to bypass Elburn somehow, which would cost a lot of money. It'd be very hard to 4 lane through Elburn without major disruptions. I think the section between Yorkville and Sugar Grove ought to be addressed first before that.

I'm surprised the Sugar Grove Parkway study ends at Green Road and doesn't extend up to Main Street. That 4 way stop is going to have to be addressed eventually. 
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on March 08, 2017, 08:08:51 PM
New contracts going out for bid

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc)

looks like they updated their website for 2017 construction. Appears as though they're rebuilding the bridges on 90 in Rockford.

Seems like something they should have done when they rebuilt that stretch ~10 years ago.

I suspect the work in 2008 and 2009 was envisioned as a shorter-term project. They poured asphalt instead of concrete for the driving surface, and overlaid the original 1950's roadbed for the outside lanes. They also didn't replace overpasses along that stretch (aside from the I-39/US-20 interchange).

ISTHA understood that it needed to deliver congestion relief to the I-39/90 stretch in Winnebago County before it completed work farther east. That road was one miserable son-of-a-bitch before the widening and the Open Road Tolling were implemented. The previous I-39/US-20 interchange was not going to handle the additional influx of truck traffic avoiding the sections of I-90 east to Chicago, opting to use I-88 or I-80 instead. And, frankly, they needed that stretch to move more traffic to help generate toll revenue to finance the rest of the work.

Note also that they completed the I-355 stretch south to I-80 before starting on I-90 between Rockford and I-294, again laying a foundation for a relief route via I-88 to keep traffic off the sections of I-90 under construction.

Now that they've completed the majority of the Rockford to I-294 work, they can prep the Winnebago County stretch for more permanent widening work. My speculation is that within the next 10-20 years, ISTHA will come back and widen the Winnebago County stretch to 8 lanes, either in its entirety or in part (say, widen north from I-39/US-20 to Riverside, then down to 6 lanes northward). It'll also likely get the same improvements we see on I-90 east of Rockford - including the median lighting.

I doubt they go to eight lanes in that segment, since Wisconsin will have just finished widening their portion to six lanes by that time.

And I think the Newberg to South Beloit section was fully reconstructed (not simply overlaid), they just used hot-mix asphalt instead of concrete.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on March 08, 2017, 11:05:34 PM
New contracts going out for bid

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc

looks like they updated their website for 2017 construction. Appears as though they're rebuilding the bridges on 90 in Rockford.

Are they actually going to make IL-47 a full interchange or is that just repairs to the current alignment?

http://www.sugargroveinterchange.org/

There's certainly space for a full diamond interchange there.  The northeast quadrant is an ISTHA yard, and ISTHA, I believe, also owns enough land already in the southeast quadrant.  The hardest part will be extending the four-lane portion of IL-47 north to the interchange (it's approximately 1 mile).

It's a needed extension though, makes sense to have it 4 lanes between Sugar Grove and I-88
I don't see it getting 4 laned thru Elburn or Lily Lake. More likely, the 4 lane will be between US 20 and I-90 in the near future.

it needs it must be one of the fastest 3 lanes each way to 1 each way drop out there.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Rick Powell on March 10, 2017, 08:43:54 PM

You'd have to bypass Elburn somehow, which would cost a lot of money. It'd be very hard to 4 lane through Elburn without major disruptions. I think the section between Yorkville and Sugar Grove ought to be addressed first before that.

I'm surprised the Sugar Grove Parkway study ends at Green Road and doesn't extend up to Main Street. That 4 way stop is going to have to be addressed eventually. 

The Anderson Road/UP RR overpass east of Elburn is set up for 4 lanes, and north of IL 38 could easily be tied back in to IL 47.  The only problem is that Elburn allowed a lot of development around Keslinger Road (in direct conflict with IDOT's Strategic Regional Arterial study that had an eastern bypass of Elburn) and it would be tough now without a couple 90 degree turns, which kinda defeats the idea of a bypass.

IDOT's Phase I study between Yorkville and Sugar Grove should be wrapping up soon, but without some sort of capital bill, not sure where the $$$ is coming from for construction. Two major BNSF underpasses and widening over Blackberry Creek.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dvferyance on March 10, 2017, 10:07:46 PM
New contracts going out for bid

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc)

looks like they updated their website for 2017 construction. Appears as though they're rebuilding the bridges on 90 in Rockford.

Seems like something they should have done when they rebuilt that stretch ~10 years ago.

I suspect the work in 2008 and 2009 was envisioned as a shorter-term project. They poured asphalt instead of concrete for the driving surface, and overlaid the original 1950's roadbed for the outside lanes. They also didn't replace overpasses along that stretch (aside from the I-39/US-20 interchange).

ISTHA understood that it needed to deliver congestion relief to the I-39/90 stretch in Winnebago County before it completed work farther east. That road was one miserable son-of-a-bitch before the widening and the Open Road Tolling were implemented. The previous I-39/US-20 interchange was not going to handle the additional influx of truck traffic avoiding the sections of I-90 east to Chicago, opting to use I-88 or I-80 instead. And, frankly, they needed that stretch to move more traffic to help generate toll revenue to finance the rest of the work.

Note also that they completed the I-355 stretch south to I-80 before starting on I-90 between Rockford and I-294, again laying a foundation for a relief route via I-88 to keep traffic off the sections of I-90 under construction.

Now that they've completed the majority of the Rockford to I-294 work, they can prep the Winnebago County stretch for more permanent widening work. My speculation is that within the next 10-20 years, ISTHA will come back and widen the Winnebago County stretch to 8 lanes, either in its entirety or in part (say, widen north from I-39/US-20 to Riverside, then down to 6 lanes northward). It'll also likely get the same improvements we see on I-90 east of Rockford - including the median lighting.

I doubt they go to eight lanes in that segment, since Wisconsin will have just finished widening their portion to six lanes by that time.

And I think the Newberg to South Beloit section was fully reconstructed (not simply overlaid), they just used hot-mix asphalt instead of concrete.
There is no need for 8 lanes there. If anything the part of I-39/90 near Madison would get 8 lanes long before the Rockford part would.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on March 10, 2017, 10:12:31 PM
Coin baskets? 70 mph? Winnebago? I wanna puke like a puppy.
Your point, please?

He has none, kind of the special kid on the block.

Hypothetical question for the future: does anyone see (with the correct funding) 47 becoming the IL-83 of that area, essentially becoming a mixed freeway/divided highway?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: cwm1276 on March 10, 2017, 10:29:15 PM
New contracts going out for bid

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc)

looks like they updated their website for 2017 construction. Appears as though they're rebuilding the bridges on 90 in Rockford.

Seems like something they should have done when they rebuilt that stretch ~10 years ago.

I suspect the work in 2008 and 2009 was envisioned as a shorter-term project. They poured asphalt instead of concrete for the driving surface, and overlaid the original 1950's roadbed for the outside lanes. They also didn't replace overpasses along that stretch (aside from the I-39/US-20 interchange).

ISTHA understood that it needed to deliver congestion relief to the I-39/90 stretch in Winnebago County before it completed work farther east. That road was one miserable son-of-a-bitch before the widening and the Open Road Tolling were implemented. The previous I-39/US-20 interchange was not going to handle the additional influx of truck traffic avoiding the sections of I-90 east to Chicago, opting to use I-88 or I-80 instead. And, frankly, they needed that stretch to move more traffic to help generate toll revenue to finance the rest of the work.

Note also that they completed the I-355 stretch south to I-80 before starting on I-90 between Rockford and I-294, again laying a foundation for a relief route via I-88 to keep traffic off the sections of I-90 under construction.

Now that they've completed the majority of the Rockford to I-294 work, they can prep the Winnebago County stretch for more permanent widening work. My speculation is that within the next 10-20 years, ISTHA will come back and widen the Winnebago County stretch to 8 lanes, either in its entirety or in part (say, widen north from I-39/US-20 to Riverside, then down to 6 lanes northward). It'll also likely get the same improvements we see on I-90 east of Rockford - including the median lighting.

I doubt they go to eight lanes in that segment, since Wisconsin will have just finished widening their portion to six lanes by that time.

And I think the Newberg to South Beloit section was fully reconstructed (not simply overlaid), they just used hot-mix asphalt instead of concrete.
There is no need for 8 lanes there. If anything the part of I-39/90 near Madison would get 8 lanes long before the Rockford part would.

Janesville is supposed to get 8 lanes in the current project. I could see Rockford getting 8 lanes between Newburgh and Riverside mainly to manag enter and exiting traffic and not drop the westbound 90 lane at Newburg.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dvferyance on March 10, 2017, 10:32:58 PM
New contracts going out for bid

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc)

looks like they updated their website for 2017 construction. Appears as though they're rebuilding the bridges on 90 in Rockford.

Seems like something they should have done when they rebuilt that stretch ~10 years ago.

I suspect the work in 2008 and 2009 was envisioned as a shorter-term project. They poured asphalt instead of concrete for the driving surface, and overlaid the original 1950's roadbed for the outside lanes. They also didn't replace overpasses along that stretch (aside from the I-39/US-20 interchange).

ISTHA understood that it needed to deliver congestion relief to the I-39/90 stretch in Winnebago County before it completed work farther east. That road was one miserable son-of-a-bitch before the widening and the Open Road Tolling were implemented. The previous I-39/US-20 interchange was not going to handle the additional influx of truck traffic avoiding the sections of I-90 east to Chicago, opting to use I-88 or I-80 instead. And, frankly, they needed that stretch to move more traffic to help generate toll revenue to finance the rest of the work.

Note also that they completed the I-355 stretch south to I-80 before starting on I-90 between Rockford and I-294, again laying a foundation for a relief route via I-88 to keep traffic off the sections of I-90 under construction.

Now that they've completed the majority of the Rockford to I-294 work, they can prep the Winnebago County stretch for more permanent widening work. My speculation is that within the next 10-20 years, ISTHA will come back and widen the Winnebago County stretch to 8 lanes, either in its entirety or in part (say, widen north from I-39/US-20 to Riverside, then down to 6 lanes northward). It'll also likely get the same improvements we see on I-90 east of Rockford - including the median lighting.

I doubt they go to eight lanes in that segment, since Wisconsin will have just finished widening their portion to six lanes by that time.

And I think the Newberg to South Beloit section was fully reconstructed (not simply overlaid), they just used hot-mix asphalt instead of concrete.
There is no need for 8 lanes there. If anything the part of I-39/90 near Madison would get 8 lanes long before the Rockford part would.

Janesville is supposed to get 8 lanes in the current project. I could see Rockford getting 8 lanes between Newburgh and Riverside mainly to manag enter and exiting traffic and not drop the westbound 90 lane at Newburg.
Uh Newburg IL is nowhere near Rockford. The two extra lanes in Janesville are just auxiliary lanes for exit onlys.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: cwm1276 on March 10, 2017, 10:36:49 PM
New contracts going out for bid

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/38197ffa-3901-4f27-8207-65ea29988afc)

looks like they updated their website for 2017 construction. Appears as though they're rebuilding the bridges on 90 in Rockford.

Seems like something they should have done when they rebuilt that stretch ~10 years ago.

I suspect the work in 2008 and 2009 was envisioned as a shorter-term project. They poured asphalt instead of concrete for the driving surface, and overlaid the original 1950's roadbed for the outside lanes. They also didn't replace overpasses along that stretch (aside from the I-39/US-20 interchange).

ISTHA understood that it needed to deliver congestion relief to the I-39/90 stretch in Winnebago County before it completed work farther east. That road was one miserable son-of-a-bitch before the widening and the Open Road Tolling were implemented. The previous I-39/US-20 interchange was not going to handle the additional influx of truck traffic avoiding the sections of I-90 east to Chicago, opting to use I-88 or I-80 instead. And, frankly, they needed that stretch to move more traffic to help generate toll revenue to finance the rest of the work.

Note also that they completed the I-355 stretch south to I-80 before starting on I-90 between Rockford and I-294, again laying a foundation for a relief route via I-88 to keep traffic off the sections of I-90 under construction.

Now that they've completed the majority of the Rockford to I-294 work, they can prep the Winnebago County stretch for more permanent widening work. My speculation is that within the next 10-20 years, ISTHA will come back and widen the Winnebago County stretch to 8 lanes, either in its entirety or in part (say, widen north from I-39/US-20 to Riverside, then down to 6 lanes northward). It'll also likely get the same improvements we see on I-90 east of Rockford - including the median lighting.

I doubt they go to eight lanes in that segment, since Wisconsin will have just finished widening their portion to six lanes by that time.

And I think the Newberg to South Beloit section was fully reconstructed (not simply overlaid), they just used hot-mix asphalt instead of concrete.
There is no need for 8 lanes there. If anything the part of I-39/90 near Madison would get 8 lanes long before the Rockford part would.

Janesville is supposed to get 8 lanes in the current project. I could see Rockford getting 8 lanes between Newburgh and Riverside mainly to manag enter and exiting traffic and not drop the westbound 90 lane at Newburg.
Uh Newburg IL is nowhere near Rockford. The two extra lanes in Janesville are just auxiliary lanes for exit onlys.
Ugh
Newburg Road first bridge north of the 39 -90 split.
Also last knew Janesville get 8 lanes plus C/D lanes.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dave069 on March 11, 2017, 02:01:12 PM
I was on I-355 last night and saw 70mph signs up between I-80 and I-55. Speed limit is still 60 from I-55 northward though.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: nwi_navigator_1181 on March 11, 2017, 02:35:05 PM
I was on I-355 last night and saw 70mph signs up between I-80 and I-55. Speed limit is still 60 from I-55 northward though.

So I-355 joined the 70 club too? Nice.

However, that's quite baffling that I-80 in that same vicinity is still at 65 mph. I figured I-80 would get the bump first, which would cause ISTHA to follow suit.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dave069 on March 11, 2017, 03:56:28 PM
I was on I-355 last night and saw 70mph signs up between I-80 and I-55. Speed limit is still 60 from I-55 northward though.

So I-355 joined the 70 club too? Nice.

However, that's quite baffling that I-80 in that same vicinity is still at 65 mph. I figured I-80 would get the bump first, which would cause ISTHA to follow suit.

Yeah that's surprising that I-55 and I-80 are still at 65. Previous tollway boards reccomended keeping I-355 at 65 mph for that reason, but I guess the current one doesn't care. Either way it's pretty nice. I wish they didn't have that 65 mph bus speed limit though. 70 mph for cars, 65 for buses, and 60 for trucks is too many rules IMO. I would like to see legislation that completely eliminates split speed limits in Illinois.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ajlynch91 on March 11, 2017, 05:54:11 PM
Now the IDiOT section of 355 should be raised to at least 60, especially since after the 390 work was completed on 290 that was raised to 60, so you go from a 60mph speed limit to 55 and back to 60 in the span of about two miles.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dave069 on March 11, 2017, 06:24:01 PM
It would be nice to see 60 on IL-53 north of I-90 as well.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on March 11, 2017, 09:13:49 PM
Hypothetical question for the future: does anyone see (with the correct funding) 47 becoming the IL-83 of that area, essentially becoming a mixed freeway/divided highway?

I see IL 47 resembling IL 59 more in the future more than IL 83.  If the funding was really there to pursue a mixed freeway - divided arterial similar to IL 83, it seems to me the Prairie Parkway would be pursued more (in which case IL 47 would probably be closer to IL 53 between I-55 and the Elgin O'Hare).  Additionally, by the time the development along IL 47 got to the point where traffic volumes might warrant interchanges, such development would be enough to bring opposition to any interchanges.  I believe this happened with the Randall Road study in McHenry County, where it seems interchanges were briefly considered early on.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on March 11, 2017, 10:42:52 PM
I know none of this is about the Tollway but I just hate Route 83. Especially from 63rd street to Ogden. You have people going 55 in that trench section and it's annoying because there is room for a 3rd lane but it's all due to the bridge over the BNSF. Also I've seen too many crashes at Route 83 and Cermak 22nd Street by the mall because they don't have flashing warning lights to allow drivers to know about the Stoplight
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: inkyatari on March 13, 2017, 09:12:46 AM

Hypothetical question for the future: does anyone see (with the correct funding) 47 becoming the IL-83 of that area, essentially becoming a mixed freeway/divided highway?

I say yes.  It needs a bypass around Morris, Yorkville and Elburn, and Grundy County has funding in place for a study to widen 47 from Morris to Dwight.  I think this could be done.

Should 47 ever be widened to Dwight - I can see this, but in the far future- that would make the IL 47 corridor a great far western Chicago bypass, which it should be.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: hobsini2 on March 15, 2017, 06:17:45 PM
I was on I-355 last night and saw 70mph signs up between I-80 and I-55. Speed limit is still 60 from I-55 northward though.

So I-355 joined the 70 club too? Nice.

However, that's quite baffling that I-80 in that same vicinity is still at 65 mph. I figured I-80 would get the bump first, which would cause ISTHA to follow suit.

Yeah that's surprising that I-55 and I-80 are still at 65. Previous tollway boards reccomended keeping I-355 at 65 mph for that reason, but I guess the current one doesn't care. Either way it's pretty nice. I wish they didn't have that 65 mph bus speed limit though. 70 mph for cars, 65 for buses, and 60 for trucks is too many rules IMO. I would like to see legislation that completely eliminates split speed limits in Illinois.

Well considering that the 80 bridge over the Des Plaines has a very high volume of traffic and several exits within a mile of it, I can understand exactly why I-80 remains at 65 between I-57 and US 30 and 55 between US 30 and Larkin Ave. West of Larkin, it should be 70.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: inkyatari on March 16, 2017, 09:03:49 AM

Well considering that the 80 bridge over the Des Plaines has a very high volume of traffic and several exits within a mile of it, I can understand exactly why I-80 remains at 65 between I-57 and US 30 and 55 between US 30 and Larkin Ave. West of Larkin, it should be 70.

At least the Des Plaines river bridge isn't a puzzling 45 MPH anymore...
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Rick Powell on March 16, 2017, 05:46:28 PM
I say yes.  It needs a bypass around Morris, Yorkville and Elburn, and Grundy County has funding in place for a study to widen 47 from Morris to Dwight.  I think this could be done.

Should 47 ever be widened to Dwight - I can see this, but in the far future- that would make the IL 47 corridor a great far western Chicago bypass, which it should be.

I am not aware that "Grundy County" currently has any study money for a state highway, IL 47 or otherwise. The last time the county started a study of a state highway, it was the Brisbin Road/I-80 interchange, and IDOT took it over when it became too big for the county to handle. Do you have a link or any other evidence?

FYI, before the Illinois River bridge at Morris was widened, the FHWA was adamant that the logical south terminus of the project should be IL 113, which would have pushed the 4-lane widening a third of the way to Dwight. IDOT talked them out of it and it was truncated at Southmor Road. With ADT approaching 10,000 in that stretch, maybe the FHWA should have prevailed.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: kphoger on March 16, 2017, 06:03:00 PM
Also I've seen too many crashes at Route 83 and Cermak 22nd Street by the mall because they don't have flashing warning lights to allow drivers to know about the Stoplight

Unless those accidents involved out-of-town/state drivers, I have a hard time believing the people didn't know about the stoplight. It's been my experience in that neighborhood that people are just in a hurry and feel they're above having to wait for another light cycle. FWIW, I hate transiting that area, especially by foot.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Jericho That on March 17, 2017, 07:58:00 AM
Also I've seen too many crashes at Route 83 and Cermak 22nd Street by the mall because they don't have flashing warning lights to allow drivers to know about the Stoplight

Unless those accidents involved out-of-town/state drivers, I have a hard time believing the people didn't know about the stoplight. It's been my experience in that neighborhood that people are just in a hurry and feel they're above having to wait for another light cycle. FWIW, I hate transiting that area, especially by foot.

I agree. People aren't keeping their speed up because they're unaware of the signal, they're just determined to beat the light.

I drove through this intersection yesterday and noticed the red light cameras for the first time. I don't know how long they've been up, but the warning signs still have their orange flags attached. Too bad they're pointed at the wrong approach..
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on March 17, 2017, 10:37:31 AM
Also I've seen too many crashes at Route 83 and Cermak 22nd Street by the mall because they don't have flashing warning lights to allow drivers to know about the Stoplight

Unless those accidents involved out-of-town/state drivers, I have a hard time believing the people didn't know about the stoplight. It's been my experience in that neighborhood that people are just in a hurry and feel they're above having to wait for another light cycle. FWIW, I hate transiting that area, especially by foot.

I agree. People aren't keeping their speed up because they're unaware of the signal, they're just determined to beat the light.

I drove through this intersection yesterday and noticed the red light cameras for the first time. I don't know how long they've been up, but the warning signs still have their orange flags attached. Too bad they're pointed at the wrong approach..

They're up on 22nd Street eastbound and 83 southbound because Oakbrook Terrace wanted them.  Oak Brook is opposed to these cameras (and is the municipality on the other two corners there).

http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=19267.0
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on March 30, 2017, 09:15:36 PM
Also I've seen too many crashes at Route 83 and Cermak 22nd Street by the mall because they don't have flashing warning lights to allow drivers to know about the Stoplight

Unless those accidents involved out-of-town/state drivers, I have a hard time believing the people didn't know about the stoplight. It's been my experience in that neighborhood that people are just in a hurry and feel they're above having to wait for another light cycle. FWIW, I hate transiting that area, especially by foot.

I agree. People aren't keeping their speed up because they're unaware of the signal, they're just determined to beat the light.

I drove through this intersection yesterday and noticed the red light cameras for the first time. I don't know how long they've been up, but the warning signs still have their orange flags attached. Too bad they're pointed at the wrong approach..

That intersection sees too much traffic to even function, even having 3 straight lanes on each of the approaches.  The traffic will be so backed-up coming from the west approach, that I'll often have to wait 2-3 whole signal cycles to make it through the intersection (not even during rush hour).  That's why authorities know they can catch people with the red light cameras (assuming they function properly and justly--and I'm not getting into that argument now).
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on March 30, 2017, 11:40:34 PM
Also I've seen too many crashes at Route 83 and Cermak 22nd Street by the mall because they don't have flashing warning lights to allow drivers to know about the Stoplight

Unless those accidents involved out-of-town/state drivers, I have a hard time believing the people didn't know about the stoplight. It's been my experience in that neighborhood that people are just in a hurry and feel they're above having to wait for another light cycle. FWIW, I hate transiting that area, especially by foot.

I agree. People aren't keeping their speed up because they're unaware of the signal, they're just determined to beat the light.

I drove through this intersection yesterday and noticed the red light cameras for the first time. I don't know how long they've been up, but the warning signs still have their orange flags attached. Too bad they're pointed at the wrong approach..

That intersection sees too much traffic to even function, even having 3 straight lanes on each of the approaches.  The traffic will be so backed-up coming from the west approach, that I'll often have to wait 2-3 whole signal cycles to make it through the intersection (not even during rush hour).  That's why authorities know they can catch people with the red light cameras (assuming they function properly and justly--and I'm not getting into that argument now).
Build a over / under pass.

http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10031.0
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on April 08, 2017, 01:48:59 PM
The Mile Long Bridge on I-294 begins a year long repair project on Monday. Construction zone looks to be from Willow Springs Road to Archer Ave. Expected to finish in 2018.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on April 08, 2017, 03:18:32 PM
Why are they doing this now? Shouldn't they do that when the central Tri State is rebuilt in a few years?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on April 08, 2017, 04:32:36 PM
It's mainly for the bridge deck itself. Since they redid it with the re-surface a couple years ago, the bridge pavement is riddled with potholes across all lanes. Probably they figure "let's do one final fixer before it gets torn down and rebuilt from the ground up in 3-6 years"

It also looks like some sideline bridge and ramp repairs are also scheduled for the southern section from 95th to the Bishop Ford.

Here's the link to the Mile project: https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/552064/2017+294+Mile_Long-Bridge_Projects_FactSheet_03-22-17.pdf/bbfd5c24-181b-4ed0-a01d-80c491c1e097 (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/552064/2017+294+Mile_Long-Bridge_Projects_FactSheet_03-22-17.pdf/bbfd5c24-181b-4ed0-a01d-80c491c1e097)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on April 08, 2017, 08:21:37 PM
It also looks like they are doing some repair projects on the Northern Portion (North of I-90). I guess just necessary maintenance although this section was mostly rebuilt less than 10 years ago (save for the portion between Lake-Cook and Half Day Road).
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tdindy88 on April 08, 2017, 08:45:52 PM
Curious question here if it's okay to ask on this thread. I'm thinking about a short trip to the Chicago area from Indy around the 4th of July and wanted to clinch some roadways and see newly updated parts of the tollways there. On a Sunday I'd drive north on the Tri-State (from the Edens via Chicago) north to Milwaukee and southwest on I-43 to Beloit before heading south along I-90 all the way toward the Tri-State. I would then backtrack my way back to drive along I-355 for its entirety.

My question, and a apologize if this has been asked elsewhere before, is could I buy an EZPass for primarily that one day if I'm going to be on all those tollways. Typically I just visit the cash booths along those highways. And if its feasible, should I buy the pass through Illinois or Indiana?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on April 08, 2017, 11:50:05 PM
Curious question here if it's okay to ask on this thread. I'm thinking about a short trip to the Chicago area from Indy around the 4th of July and wanted to clinch some roadways and see newly updated parts of the tollways there. On a Sunday I'd drive north on the Tri-State (from the Edens via Chicago) north to Milwaukee and southwest on I-43 to Beloit before heading south along I-90 all the way toward the Tri-State. I would then backtrack my way back to drive along I-355 for its entirety.

My question, and a apologize if this has been asked elsewhere before, is could I buy an EZPass for primarily that one day if I'm going to be on all those tollways. Typically I just visit the cash booths along those highways. And if its feasible, should I buy the pass through Illinois or Indiana?

If you buy an EZ-Pass in Indiana, it will work in Illinois as IPass and EZ-Pass are completely interchangeable. It's honestly your choice which agency you want to go through, as it's really a wash either way (unless Indiana has a different pricing plan for IPass. I forget the policy on that).

However, you can't do a one-day purchase. Once you have it, it's registered to you. The good news is that, after the initial up front fee, you only pay as you use it. Also, keep in mind that it will work on any tollway on the IPass or EZ-Pass system.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on April 09, 2017, 01:47:12 AM
Curious question here if it's okay to ask on this thread. I'm thinking about a short trip to the Chicago area from Indy around the 4th of July and wanted to clinch some roadways and see newly updated parts of the tollways there. On a Sunday I'd drive north on the Tri-State (from the Edens via Chicago) north to Milwaukee and southwest on I-43 to Beloit before heading south along I-90 all the way toward the Tri-State. I would then backtrack my way back to drive along I-355 for its entirety.

My question, and a apologize if this has been asked elsewhere before, is could I buy an EZPass for primarily that one day if I'm going to be on all those tollways. Typically I just visit the cash booths along those highways. And if its feasible, should I buy the pass through Illinois or Indiana?

EZ Passes in Indiana are sold at Toll Road Travel Plazas and at CVS stores in the northern part of the state, and IPass transponders are sold at Jewel grocery stores in northeast Illinois- whichever is more convenient to stop at along your route.  If you stop at Jewel, go to the customer service desk at the front of the store near the checkout stands.  If you have an EZ Pass already, it should work at all toll plazas along the Illinois system, like the above post states.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tdindy88 on April 09, 2017, 09:59:19 PM
Thanks. I was thinking of just having it mailed to me probably thru the Indiana Toll Road and having it ready to use by July.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: cabiness42 on April 10, 2017, 09:00:21 AM
Thanks. I was thinking of just having it mailed to me probably thru the Indiana Toll Road and having it ready to use by July.

EZ Pass will also work whenever you decide to come down and clinch the new roadway and bridge over the Ohio River.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on April 10, 2017, 12:21:18 PM
Anyone have links to the new cam pictures? The ones on page 2 are severely outdated.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on April 10, 2017, 12:56:42 PM
Curious question here if it's okay to ask on this thread. I'm thinking about a short trip to the Chicago area from Indy around the 4th of July and wanted to clinch some roadways and see newly updated parts of the tollways there. On a Sunday I'd drive north on the Tri-State (from the Edens via Chicago) north to Milwaukee and southwest on I-43 to Beloit before heading south along I-90 all the way toward the Tri-State. I would then backtrack my way back to drive along I-355 for its entirety.

My question, and a apologize if this has been asked elsewhere before, is could I buy an EZPass for primarily that one day if I'm going to be on all those tollways. Typically I just visit the cash booths along those highways. And if its feasible, should I buy the pass through Illinois or Indiana?

I would recommend the Illinois version (I-Pass).  The reason being that ISTHA does not charge any monthly or yearly fees.  The ITR charges $1/month.  ISTHA also charges a refundable $10 deposit while the ITR charges a $20 refundable deposit.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: inkyatari on April 10, 2017, 05:19:48 PM
I say yes.  It needs a bypass around Morris, Yorkville and Elburn, and Grundy County has funding in place for a study to widen 47 from Morris to Dwight.  I think this could be done.

Should 47 ever be widened to Dwight - I can see this, but in the far future- that would make the IL 47 corridor a great far western Chicago bypass, which it should be.

I am not aware that "Grundy County" currently has any study money for a state highway, IL 47 or otherwise. The last time the county started a study of a state highway, it was the Brisbin Road/I-80 interchange, and IDOT took it over when it became too big for the county to handle. Do you have a link or any other evidence?

FYI, before the Illinois River bridge at Morris was widened, the FHWA was adamant that the logical south terminus of the project should be IL 113, which would have pushed the 4-lane widening a third of the way to Dwight. IDOT talked them out of it and it was truncated at Southmor Road. With ADT approaching 10,000 in that stretch, maybe the FHWA should have prevailed.

I could have sworn I read a news article about having funding for the study.  Now I'm only seeing it in a county priority list...

http://gedc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Transportation-Plan-Final.pdf
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tdindy88 on April 10, 2017, 09:30:29 PM
I would recommend the Illinois version (I-Pass).  The reason being that ISTHA does not charge any monthly or yearly fees.  The ITR charges $1/month.  ISTHA also charges a refundable $10 deposit while the ITR charges a $20 refundable deposit.

Okay. I just wasn't sure if there was a problem with buying one despite being out of state. But then again the purpose would be to use it on Illinois Tollways so that would make since. I might keep it around to check out the Louisville bridges too but since it's all EZPass then I guess that wouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on April 10, 2017, 11:07:41 PM
^^ ISTHA is fairly liberal with them for out of state residents.  You can be in California and get an I-Pass.  However, most of the out of state folks tend to be from Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, & Iowa.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on April 11, 2017, 04:17:58 PM
I would recommend the Illinois version (I-Pass).  The reason being that ISTHA does not charge any monthly or yearly fees.  The ITR charges $1/month.  ISTHA also charges a refundable $10 deposit while the ITR charges a $20 refundable deposit.

Okay. I just wasn't sure if there was a problem with buying one despite being out of state. But then again the purpose would be to use it on Illinois Tollways so that would make since. I might keep it around to check out the Louisville bridges too but since it's all EZPass then I guess that wouldn't be a problem.


I'm a Wisconsin resident and have had an iPass for years.  They'll take anyone's money.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dcharlie on April 11, 2017, 04:44:31 PM
Yes, but at least they are taking only half the money that they would be taking if you didn't have one!
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on April 11, 2017, 04:48:42 PM
Yes, but at least they are taking only half the money that they would be taking if you didn't have one!

Not if I actively avoid the toll roads.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on April 11, 2017, 04:49:02 PM
Yes, but at least they are taking only half the money that they would be taking if you didn't have one!

Hence why a bunch of Cheeseheads and others from out of state get one in the first place.  :bigass:
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dcharlie on April 11, 2017, 04:58:58 PM
Yes, but at least they are taking only half the money that they would be taking if you didn't have one!

Not if I actively avoid the toll roads.

Good point!
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: GeekJedi on April 12, 2017, 09:35:02 PM
Yes, but at least they are taking only half the money that they would be taking if you didn't have one!

Hence why a bunch of Cheeseheads and others from out of state get one in the first place.  :bigass:

I got mine when they first came out - back then I lived in Joliet, so it made sense. I kept it when I moved so that I could avoid paying the "Wisconsin Tax". :-)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: inkyatari on April 13, 2017, 09:01:22 AM
With the state of roads and things in Illinois in general, they should just start charging a $5 entrance fee to the state.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ajlynch91 on April 13, 2017, 11:06:51 AM
Quite frankly, it'd be much more lucrative to charge a fee to leave the state.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on April 13, 2017, 06:54:02 PM
There is now a place where you can email comments regarding the Central Tri-State rebuild.

https://www.illinoistollway.com/outreach/projects-in-your-community#Central%20Tri-State%20Tollway%20(I-294) (https://www.illinoistollway.com/outreach/projects-in-your-community#Central%20Tri-State%20Tollway%20(I-294))

Good news is it looks like they just might address the I-290 situation (but who knows how long that will last).
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on April 13, 2017, 07:41:55 PM
There is now a place where you can email comments regarding the Central Tri-State rebuild.

https://www.illinoistollway.com/outreach/projects-in-your-community#Central%20Tri-State%20Tollway%20(I-294) (https://www.illinoistollway.com/outreach/projects-in-your-community#Central%20Tri-State%20Tollway%20(I-294))

Good news is it looks like they just might address the I-290 situation (but who knows how long that will last).

Why is it 10 laned to only Balmoral? Needs to be 10 laned all the way to 90.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on April 13, 2017, 09:37:18 PM
There is now a place where you can email comments regarding the Central Tri-State rebuild.

https://www.illinoistollway.com/outreach/projects-in-your-community#Central%20Tri-State%20Tollway%20(I-294) (https://www.illinoistollway.com/outreach/projects-in-your-community#Central%20Tri-State%20Tollway%20(I-294))

Good news is it looks like they just might address the I-290 situation (but who knows how long that will last).

Why is it 10 laned to only Balmoral? Needs to be 10 laned all the way to 90.

Essentially, Balmoral is the beginning of the I-90 interchange. If you look at the map, it basically shows it this way. I imagine the additional lanes would become "Exit only" at I-90.

Very glad that a redesign is in the works for the I-290 interchange. That is such a mess right now! I wouldn't underestimate the impact of improving the I-55 interchange as well, if done right.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on April 13, 2017, 10:14:58 PM
There is now a place where you can email comments regarding the Central Tri-State rebuild.

https://www.illinoistollway.com/outreach/projects-in-your-community#Central%20Tri-State%20Tollway%20(I-294) (https://www.illinoistollway.com/outreach/projects-in-your-community#Central%20Tri-State%20Tollway%20(I-294))

Good news is it looks like they just might address the I-290 situation (but who knows how long that will last).

Why is it 10 laned to only Balmoral? Needs to be 10 laned all the way to 90.

Balmoral is the beginning, as the lead up northbound is 6 lanes while southbound has 6 lanes from Touhy to the interchange. All they'll really do is probably even out the configurations for a smoother transition.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on April 13, 2017, 10:22:29 PM
There is now a place where you can email comments regarding the Central Tri-State rebuild.

https://www.illinoistollway.com/outreach/projects-in-your-community#Central%20Tri-State%20Tollway%20(I-294) (https://www.illinoistollway.com/outreach/projects-in-your-community#Central%20Tri-State%20Tollway%20(I-294))

Good news is it looks like they just might address the I-290 situation (but who knows how long that will last).
they need to get rid of that very temp 4th lane drop it's just painted that way but it's not a shoulder it's built as a full lane.

Why is it 10 laned to only Balmoral? Needs to be 10 laned all the way to 90.

Essentially, Balmoral is the beginning of the I-90 interchange. If you look at the map, it basically shows it this way. I imagine the additional lanes would become "Exit only" at I-90.

Very glad that a redesign is in the works for the I-290 interchange. That is such a mess right now! I wouldn't underestimate the impact of improving the I-55 interchange as well, if done right.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: pianocello on April 14, 2017, 09:45:16 AM
With the state of roads and things in Illinois in general, they should just start charging a $5 entrance fee to the state.

Well, that's essentially what the Skyway does...
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dzlsabe on April 14, 2017, 10:15:35 AM
With the state of roads and things in Illinois in general, they should just start charging a $5 entrance fee to the state.

Well, that's essentially what the Skyway does...

Good part of the reason the areas adjacent to the Skyway are the way they are? Just one entrance and exit north of the toll could/would work wonders.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on April 14, 2017, 11:19:40 AM
With the state of roads and things in Illinois in general, they should just start charging a $5 entrance fee to the state.

Well, that's essentially what the Skyway does...

Good part of the reason the areas adjacent to the Skyway are the way they are? Just one entrance and exit north of the toll could/would work wonders.


So you think providing more access from rougher neighborhoods to freeways increases the quality of those neighborhoods?  My anecdotal experience doesn't lead me to believe that is the case.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dzlsabe on April 16, 2017, 07:27:15 AM
With the state of roads and things in Illinois in general, they should just start charging a $5 entrance fee to the state.

Well, that's essentially what the Skyway does...

Good part of the reason the areas adjacent to the Skyway are the way they are? Just one entrance and exit north of the toll could/would work wonders.


So you think providing more access from rougher neighborhoods to freeways increases the quality of those neighborhoods?  My anecdotal experience doesn't lead me to believe that is the case.

AH, yes? "More access" sure beats ZERO.

What "SEWI anecdotal experience" could possibly have anything to do with "rougher neighborhoods" adjacent to the Skyway?
Careful, I think your barn door is open.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on April 16, 2017, 10:55:15 AM
With the state of roads and things in Illinois in general, they should just start charging a $5 entrance fee to the state.

Well, that's essentially what the Skyway does...

Good part of the reason the areas adjacent to the Skyway are the way they are? Just one entrance and exit north of the toll could/would work wonders.


So you think providing more access from rougher neighborhoods to freeways increases the quality of those neighborhoods?  My anecdotal experience doesn't lead me to believe that is the case.

AH, yes? "More access" sure beats ZERO.

What "SEWI anecdotal experience" could possibly have anything to do with "rougher neighborhoods" adjacent to the Skyway?
Careful, I think your barn door is open.


I travel extensively to major cities for my job.  I find that there are plenty of "rougher neighborhoods" located just off of freeways with plenty of access.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dzlsabe on April 16, 2017, 12:32:52 PM
And I am sure you are absolutely correct. There are plenty with plenty. Just not this one and does not change the fact that the Skyway has NO entrances if one would be going west (north?) north of the bridge (the only one being at the state line). So this is an eight mile stretch through heavy industrial/river access to residential with essentially one EB exit after a $4 minimum toll. Yes, I realize there is a WB exit and EB enter at Stony Island, but that is of little help.

Which I guess just begs the question...Should an EB exit and WB entrance be built at 87th and S Anthony?

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7366166,-87.5672208,720m/data=!3m1!1e3
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: hobsini2 on April 16, 2017, 05:59:18 PM
People that live in the area of the Skyway use either Shore Shore Dr to Lake Shore Dr or they use 95th, 87th, 79th or 67th to the Dan Ryan. Not every interchange needs to be a full interchange. Plus there is the issue of the toll booth which is why the exits are designed in that way. For a WB on/EB off, you would need booths on the ramps. If one was going to be a logical full interchange, it would be 79th.

Of course if the Stony Island Expy was built to Lake Shore Dr instead of just dying on as a neighborhood boulevard, you wouldn't need much at all from the Skyway.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dzlsabe on April 17, 2017, 01:56:22 AM
Who said anything about toll booths? Oh You. 87th would be completely illogical, youre right again.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: kphoger on April 17, 2017, 01:41:20 PM
Who said anything about toll booths? Oh You.

And you.

Just one entrance and exit north of the toll could/would work wonders.
So this is an eight mile stretch through heavy industrial/river access to residential with essentially one EB exit after a $4 minimum toll.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dzlsabe on April 17, 2017, 10:39:10 PM
Who said anything about toll booths? Oh You.

And you.

Just one entrance and exit north of the toll could/would work wonders.
So this is an eight mile stretch through heavy industrial/river access to residential with essentially one EB exit after a $4 minimum toll.

That is correct.

And I said an exit EB and entrance WB at 87th. Nothing about tolls on those two. Reading (and comprehension) is fundamental. Just a minor payback for this road that very few in adjacent communities use, and Skyway contributes minimal business/jobs to the area.  They even tore down the McDs that was between the booths and the bridge. Tear up the 93rd St exit after the toll but before the bridge AFAIC.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on April 18, 2017, 08:54:02 AM
I disagree. Close as many highway exits as you can. Just take a look at the Ike. idoits who get onto the highway and get off the next exit. Austin ave and harlem need to be shut down
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: inkyatari on April 18, 2017, 08:56:29 AM
With the state of roads and things in Illinois in general, they should just start charging a $5 entrance fee to the state.

Well, that's essentially what the Skyway does...

I mean at every border state border crossing.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dzlsabe on April 18, 2017, 10:00:44 PM
I disagree. Close as many highway exits as you can. Just take a look at the Ike. idoits who get onto the highway and get off the next exit. Austin ave and harlem need to be shut down

Skyway and Ike are not at all comparable, are they? They got six lanes of concrete? They re both in Chicago? They are really complete opposites. Ike has "idoits" able to get on and then off at the next exit. Skyway? Not so much. Hillarryous.

BTW, how is that DFing Ike project going? Sorry....cant....resist..... :rofl:
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dcharlie on April 19, 2017, 08:28:23 AM
Please don't feed the troll!
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on April 19, 2017, 10:44:07 AM
Please don't feed the troll!

May as well start up an Illinois Tollway Notes 2.0 knowing how these convos go
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: kphoger on April 19, 2017, 01:26:24 PM
For those just tuning in...

d:  Add more local access to the Skyway.
j:  No, don't do that, because then it will be more like the Eisenhower with all its local access and traffic.
d:  But the Eisenhower is not like the Skyway, because the Eisenhower has lots of local access and the Skyway does not.
j:  That's my point.
d:  Hillarryous.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: slorydn1 on April 21, 2017, 04:02:48 AM
For those just tuning in...

d:  Add more local access to the Skyway.
j:  No, don't do that, because then it will be more like the Eisenhower with all its local access and traffic.
d:  But the Eisenhower is not like the Skyway, because the Eisenhower has lots of local access and the Skyway does not.
j:  That's my point.
d:  Hillarryous.  :rofl:

Thanks for the summary, I needed that this morning!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dzlsabe on April 21, 2017, 11:55:51 AM
Add more ANY local access to the Skyway. KPs view is through welding googles apparently. Talk about "wormholes". Cant really find any comparable roads to this.

This 8 mile tolled way goes from the IN border to the Ryan Xway with exactly ONE EB exit after a toll and an EB entrance and WB exit at Stony Island and State St. So pretty much you get on this thing and you dont get off till it ends.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on April 21, 2017, 12:02:07 PM
Add more ANY local access to the Skyway. KPs view is through welding googles apparently. Talk about "wormholes". This 8 mile tolled way goes from the IN border to the Ryan Xway with exactly ONE EB exit after a toll and an EB entrance and WB exit at Stony Island and State St. So pretty much you get on this thing and you dont get off till it ends.


What started this is your assertion that adding exits to the Skyway would improve the neighborhoods around the Skyway.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dzlsabe on April 21, 2017, 12:07:26 PM
 One EB exit and WB entrance at 87th exactly. So what is wrong with THAT "assertion"? Maybe eventually, a Brat Stop. :clap:
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on April 21, 2017, 12:12:59 PM
One exit and entrance at 87th exactly. So what is wrong with THAT "assertion"?


Because there is no proof that it would improve the neighborhood. 
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dzlsabe on April 21, 2017, 03:59:46 PM
There is proof that NOT having them for FIFTY years is NOT improving the neighborhood.

What would WI do? They would have built a couple of roundabouts with gas, beer and cheese stores on every possible corner decades ago.

Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on April 21, 2017, 05:18:08 PM
There is proof that NOT having them for FIFTY years is NOT improving the neighborhood.

I'd love the link to the article stating that the absence of ramps is contributing to the degradation in the area :coffee: :coffee:

"Enlighten me O Great Sage"
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on April 21, 2017, 05:50:37 PM
There is proof that NOT having them for FIFTY years is NOT improving the neighborhood.


There is also proof that not having extraterrestrials visit Chicago has not improved the neighborhood either.

Both are about as relevant. 
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: GeekJedi on April 21, 2017, 10:21:08 PM
Quote from: dzlsabe
What would WI do? They would have built a couple of roundabouts with gas, beer and cheese stores on every possible corner decades ago.

Wanna know what this and a certain never to be built expressway have in common? They're both figments of dzlsabe's imagination.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dzlsabe on April 21, 2017, 11:37:11 PM
Quote from: dzlsabe
What would WI do? They would have built a couple of roundabouts with gas, beer and cheese stores on every possible corner decades ago.

Wanna know what this and a certain never to be built expressway have in common? They're both figments of dzlsabe's imagination.

Everything was/is a figment of someones imagination df. Knife, wheel, beer, sausage, cheese, bicycles, aeroplanes, Is-41 & 43....until it actually happens.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on April 22, 2017, 09:37:52 AM
Quote from: dzlsabe
What would WI do? They would have built a couple of roundabouts with gas, beer and cheese stores on every possible corner decades ago.

Wanna know what this and a certain never to be built expressway have in common? They're both figments of dzlsabe's imagination.

Everything was/is a figment of someones imagination df. Knife, wheel, beer, sausage, cheese, bicycles, aeroplanes, Is-41 & 43....until it actually happens.
Stereotypically (rude) now? Okay, I can see where this thread will go.

How about we actually talk about existing Tollways and (officially) proposed ideas.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: quickshade on April 22, 2017, 12:23:57 PM
Quote
The Illinois Tollway will host a series of open house meetings as part of the agency’s ongoing work to plan for improvements to the Central Tri-State Tollway (I-294).

Monday, April 24, 6-8 p.m. – Hinsdale Oasis, Tri-State Tollway (I-294)
Tuesday, April 25, 6-8 p.m. – Lipinski Community Center, 7256 Skyline Dr., Justice
Wednesday, April 26, 6-8 p.m. – O’Hare Oasis, Tri-State Tollway (I-294)

As part of the 15-year, $12 billion Move Illinois capital program, the Tollway is developing a plan to determine improvements to be included in the reconstruction of the Central Tri-State Tollway (I-294) between 95th Street and Balmoral Avenue.
This is the only remaining segments of the original Tollway system constructed in the 1950s that has not been improved and modernized to meet current and future transportation needs.

Getting back on topic, anyone going to any of these?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Rick Powell on April 22, 2017, 02:40:58 PM

Getting back on topic, anyone going to any of these?

I will be at the one at Hinsdale Oasis Monday, probably between 6-7 pm.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on April 22, 2017, 05:20:05 PM

Getting back on topic, anyone going to any of these?

I will be at the one at Hinsdale Oasis Monday, probably between 6-7 pm.
So much for "Public Information Meetings" being free of charge </sarcasmMode>
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on April 22, 2017, 05:49:51 PM
The gas pumps were shutdown at O'Hare Oasis this morning.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dzlsabe on April 22, 2017, 06:37:37 PM
Quote
As part of the 15-year, $12 billion Move (out of) Illinois capital program, the Tollway is developing a plan to determine improvements to be included in the reconstruction of the Central Tri-State Tollway (I-294) between 95th Street and Balmoral Avenue.
This is the ONLY remaining segments of the original Tollway system constructed in the 1950s that has not been improved and modernized to meet current and future transportation needs.

So it has not been improved and modernized since the '50s? And NOW youre on it? Thinking about "future transportation needs"? Hillarryous. When will you retire?

https://www.illinoistollway.com/projects/capital-programs

My fav line...Planning studies for the Illinois Route 53/120 Project and "other emerging projects."
WHAT OTHER EMERGING PROJECTS??? :pan: Pray tell.

"This page left blank intentionally" :rofl:

Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on April 23, 2017, 03:13:05 PM
Hey you spelled hilarious wrong.

And those other emerging projects,

I-88 east of York Road. That's actually all I can think of. Where else does the tollway system actually need to be redone?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on April 23, 2017, 05:22:09 PM
Hey you spelled hilarious wrong.

And those other emerging projects,

I-88 east of York Road. That's actually all I can think of. Where else does the tollway system actually need to be redone?

Edens Spur.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on April 23, 2017, 07:42:16 PM
Hey you spelled hilarious wrong.

And those other emerging projects,

I-88 east of York Road. That's actually all I can think of. Where else does the tollway system actually need to be redone?

Maybe the 294/80 split? Couple of those ramps are awkward for trucks
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on April 24, 2017, 09:39:13 AM
Hey you spelled hilarious wrong.

And those other emerging projects,

I-88 east of York Road. That's actually all I can think of. Where else does the tollway system actually need to be redone?

Maybe the 294/80 split? Couple of those ramps are awkward for trucks

well the new I-57 ramps do take load off that spilt.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Henry on April 24, 2017, 09:53:27 AM
FWIW, I like the Skyway as it is. Adding exits would not be a bad idea, though I'd make them so that you couldn't get off until you paid a toll.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on April 24, 2017, 06:03:53 PM
Getting back on track, is anyone going to the Central Tri-State rebuild meetings? If so, what was said and where can we find planning documents (up to date ones from this year. New ones haven't been posted since January 2016 on the Tollway website)?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dzlsabe on April 24, 2017, 07:02:38 PM
FWIW, I like the Skyway as it is. Adding exits would not be a bad idea, though I'd make them so that you couldn't get off until you paid a toll.

How much would be "fair", your royal tightness? 50 cents? One would not be going over the bridge, remember. Other than the Skyway bridge there are NO tolls in Chicago.


As to the Tri-state widening...

"Aimee Lee, the Tollway's senior manager of strategic planning and programming, warned that congestion on the Tri-State will get much worse without widening in the next two decades. Travel time on southbound central I-294 during the morning rush hour, for example, could grow from 24 minutes to an hour by 2040, Lee said."

She warned. WHAT IF (I realize Im steppin out on huge limb here, as road planning around here is spot on) widening the Tri-state (and the Ike) the "HOVing hootenanny" just does not live up to "strategic planning" expectations??? In ten years?

Kinda begs that "maybe build something 4 times the length of Edens Spur" question, does it not, Aimee? :pan:


Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on April 24, 2017, 10:00:23 PM
It looks like the Tollway is going all in on widening the Central Portion of I-294. From what I am reading, it seems a lot of the construction will mirror what was done with I-90. I know there is a lot community opposition, but this is badly needed in this stretch, and I am glad that there is serious consideration being given to upgrades at the I-55 and I-88/I-290 interchanges along this stretch. From the article:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-tollway-294-construction-0425-20170424-story.html

Quote
The 22-mile stretch — from Balmoral Avenue near O'Hare International Airport to 95th Street in Bridgeview — is the Tollway's heaviest-traveled section, which sees 155,000 vehicles daily. It is currently four lanes each direction. The new rebuilding and widening plan, an expansion from an earlier $1.9 billion plan to just rebuild the existing road, would add a lane in each direction and use "flex lanes" on the inside shoulder for buses and emergency vehicles. Tollway staff said the expanded project could be done without raising tolls, through improved toll collection and lower debt service on bonds.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on April 24, 2017, 10:13:10 PM
I thought this was quirky and interesting...The Tollway is giving away saplings and seed packets on Arbor Day (April 28th)

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/161671/20170420+-+Illinois+Tollway+to+Give+Away+Tree+Seedlings+and+Wildflower+Seeds+to+Celebrate+Arbor+Day/2f84bf3e-901c-4363-8eac-428ca596dadf
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on April 24, 2017, 10:52:11 PM
They were talking about this on the news tonight. 

Few things:

The Tri State was built in 1958.  It precedes almost everyone who lives near it. Stop complaining that you might lose land and that it might be too loud. You knew it was there before you moved there. It's already loud with the amount of cars and trucks that use it and the tollway would put up sound barriers. Suck it up or move. Don't ruin it for the millions who use it.

It sounds like they really are going all out in this.  HOV lanes, flex lanes etc. This will be a treat to drive when completed. I only hope they don't make it completely cashless, as doing that with the heaviest traveled area on the system is asinine.

They mentioned on the news that the Hinsdale Oasis will be demolished and that only the gas stations will remain. I wish they would find a way to keep these in place. Does anyone know the fate of the O'Hare Oasis?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on April 24, 2017, 11:05:24 PM
Redesigning the I-290 Interchange can help reduce interstate and local road delays
Improving I-55 Interchange will help reduce congestion on the Tri-State Tollway

seems to say that they will go all out with I-290 that better also deal with the I-88 parts as well.

I-55 just smaller stuff?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on April 24, 2017, 11:05:47 PM
They were talking about this on the news tonight. 

Few things:

The Tri State was built in 1958.  It precedes almost everyone who lives near it. Stop complaining that you might lose land and that it might be too loud. You knew it was there before you moved there. It's already loud with the amount of cars and trucks that use it and the tollway would put up sound barriers. Suck it up or move. Don't ruin it for the millions who use it.

It sounds like they really are going all out in this.  HOV lanes, flex lanes etc. This will be a treat to drive when completed. I only hope they don't make it completely cashless, as doing that with the heaviest traveled area on the system is asinine.

They mentioned on the news that the Hinsdale Oasis will be demolished and that only the gas stations will remain. I wish they would find a way to keep these in place. Does anyone know the fate of the O'Hare Oasis?

what channel?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on April 24, 2017, 11:09:54 PM
They were talking about this on the news tonight. 

Few things:

The Tri State was built in 1958.  It precedes almost everyone who lives near it. Stop complaining that you might lose land and that it might be too loud. You knew it was there before you moved there. It's already loud with the amount of cars and trucks that use it and the tollway would put up sound barriers. Suck it up or move. Don't ruin it for the millions who use it.

It sounds like they really are going all out in this.  HOV lanes, flex lanes etc. This will be a treat to drive when completed. I only hope they don't make it completely cashless, as doing that with the heaviest traveled area on the system is asinine.

They mentioned on the news that the Hinsdale Oasis will be demolished and that only the gas stations will remain. I wish they would find a way to keep these in place. Does anyone know the fate of the O'Hare Oasis?

what channel?

WGN
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: hobsini2 on April 24, 2017, 11:11:56 PM
Who said anything about toll booths? Oh You.

And you.

Just one entrance and exit north of the toll could/would work wonders.
So this is an eight mile stretch through heavy industrial/river access to residential with essentially one EB exit after a $4 minimum toll.

That is correct.

And I said an exit EB and entrance WB at 87th. Nothing about tolls on those two. Reading (and comprehension) is fundamental. Just a minor payback for this road that very few in adjacent communities use, and Skyway contributes minimal business/jobs to the area.  They even tore down the McDs that was between the booths and the bridge. Tear up the 93rd St exit after the toll but before the bridge AFAIC.

DZ, the existing toll booth on the Skyway is SOUTHEAST of 87th and Anthony. That would require your EB off, WB on ramps to get booths.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7351852,-87.5662883,661m/data=!3m1!1e3

Once again, you don't think about basic things like this. Then you wonder why so many of us don't give you much credibility.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dzlsabe on April 24, 2017, 11:22:17 PM
WHY would it "require" booths again? DONT build them! YOU overthink (or dont?) such basic things. The bridge is the big money maintenance item, thats ALL that needs be tolled. The existing booths accomplish that. Try "thinking outside the envelope" h2. If that doesnt work, just put the stamp on upside down. :spin:

And I feel really bad that YOU dont give me much "credibility". Hillarryous.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: hobsini2 on April 24, 2017, 11:23:59 PM
WHY would it "require" booths again? DONT build them! YOU overthink (or dont?) such basic things. The bridge is the big money maintenance item, thats ALL that needs be tolled.

The entire length of the Skyway is a toll road. Not just the bridge. That's why.
FIFY!
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on April 24, 2017, 11:40:29 PM
They were talking about this on the news tonight. 

Few things:

The Tri State was built in 1958.  It precedes almost everyone who lives near it. Stop complaining that you might lose land and that it might be too loud. You knew it was there before you moved there. It's already loud with the amount of cars and trucks that use it and the tollway would put up sound barriers. Suck it up or move. Don't ruin it for the millions who use it.

It sounds like they really are going all out in this.  HOV lanes, flex lanes etc. This will be a treat to drive when completed. I only hope they don't make it completely cashless, as doing that with the heaviest traveled area on the system is asinine.

They mentioned on the news that the Hinsdale Oasis will be demolished and that only the gas stations will remain. I wish they would find a way to keep these in place. Does anyone know the fate of the O'Hare Oasis?

Agreed, residents along I-90 had the same concerns and now that is the gem of the system. Whether they like it or not, a 60 year old highway operating in 2017 and beyond needs an upgrade and will get it.

As for the O'Hare Oasis, I'm sure it would suffer the same fate. However, the 5 lane sections begins just north approaching the Balmoral/190/90/River interchange so maybe you could squeeze in the lanes without suffering the loss
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on April 25, 2017, 12:10:14 AM
the Oasis's have very limited room to add lanes.

As for the ETC ORT will they just cut the shoulders?? 4 lanes ETC?? redo them to have 5 + full shoulders??

Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: GeekJedi on April 25, 2017, 07:25:33 AM
Quote from: dzlsabe
And I feel really bad that YOU dont give me much "credibility". Hillarryous.

You shouldn't feel bad. None of us give you much "credibility". Hillarryous indeed.

(Insert one of DZ's tired comments about "Wherethefami, WI", cheese curds, brat stop, etc. here)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on April 25, 2017, 04:10:33 PM
They were talking about this on the news tonight. 

Few things:

The Tri State was built in 1958.  It precedes almost everyone who lives near it. Stop complaining that you might lose land and that it might be too loud. You knew it was there before you moved there. It's already loud with the amount of cars and trucks that use it and the tollway would put up sound barriers. Suck it up or move. Don't ruin it for the millions who use it.

It sounds like they really are going all out in this.  HOV lanes, flex lanes etc. This will be a treat to drive when completed. I only hope they don't make it completely cashless, as doing that with the heaviest traveled area on the system is asinine.

They mentioned on the news that the Hinsdale Oasis will be demolished and that only the gas stations will remain. I wish they would find a way to keep these in place. Does anyone know the fate of the O'Hare Oasis?

Agreed, residents along I-90 had the same concerns and now that is the gem of the system. Whether they like it or not, a 60 year old highway operating in 2017 and beyond needs an upgrade and will get it.

As for the O'Hare Oasis, I'm sure it would suffer the same fate. However, the 5 lane sections begins just north approaching the Balmoral/190/90/River interchange so maybe you could squeeze in the lanes without suffering the loss

It is good that they are at least discussing rebuilding the I-290/I-88 interchange as part of this, but I wonder what exactly they could do. IDOT would have to cooperate, and since they couldn't get cooperation on rebuilding the I-290/IL-53 system interchange in Schaumburg, what makes you think they will be any more successful here? The only way I guess is if IDOT starts construction on the I-290 improvements at the same time (though we all know that is highly unlikely).

Also, have the Oasis outlived their purpose? Is it really going to be a big deal if the O'Hare and Hinsdale Oasis are removed (other than tax revenue for the cities)? With all of the commercial development in the suburbs since the Tri-State opened, I don't think it will be as big of a loss as people think.

(Btw: Everyone stop engaging with dzlsabe. Seriously, just ignore him. He obviously just wants to argue with everyone, so stop feeding him)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Roadgeekteen on April 25, 2017, 04:30:03 PM
WHY would it "require" booths again? DONT build them! YOU overthink (or dont?) such basic things. The bridge is the big money maintenance item, thats ALL that needs be tolled. The existing booths accomplish that. Try "thinking outside the envelope" h2. If that doesnt work, just put the stamp on upside down. :spin:

And I feel really bad that YOU dont give me much "credibility". Hillarryous.
What's up with You?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on April 25, 2017, 05:20:17 PM
IMHO, it would be a big loss to lose the oases.  There really isn't that much commercial development near the Tri-State, & the interchanges on the central Tri-State make getting on and off difficult.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on April 25, 2017, 05:29:45 PM
IMHO, it would be a big loss to lose the oases.  There really isn't that much commercial development near the Tri-State, & the interchanges on the central Tri-State make getting on and off difficult.

Not to mention people don't want to have to pay another toll just to use the bathroom. The main advantage of the oases is that they're part of the tollway network and you don't have to pay to get on or off.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: roadman65 on April 25, 2017, 05:47:13 PM
Seriously, they want to remove the Oasis?  That is nuts!  Relocate them if they can as many straight through travelers benefit from them being its the acting beltway of Chicago for N-S and E-W through motorists alike.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on April 25, 2017, 06:19:57 PM
IMHO, it would be a big loss to lose the oases.  There really isn't that much commercial development near the Tri-State, & the interchanges on the central Tri-State make getting on and off difficult.

Not to mention people don't want to have to pay another toll just to use the bathroom. The main advantage of the oases is that they're part of the tollway network and you don't have to pay to get on or off.

Well, you can't squeeze five lanes and wide shoulder under the current structures, so they will need to be removed. If they wanted to keep them, they should have rebuilt and lengthened the Oasis bridge decks when they were being reconstructed, but instead, they chose to just rebuild the structure from the bridge deck up.

It's sad, but it looks like in the future, only the Belvidere and Dekalb Oasis will remain.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: roadman65 on April 25, 2017, 06:34:53 PM
Where else are there service plazas above the roadway outside of Oklahoma on the Will Rogers Turnpike near Vinita, OK?

These are classical designs as other facilities are in the medians or on the side of the roads.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: hobsini2 on April 25, 2017, 08:00:10 PM
WHY would it "require" booths again? DONT build them! YOU overthink (or dont?) such basic things. The bridge is the big money maintenance item, thats ALL that needs be tolled. The existing booths accomplish that. Try "thinking outside the envelope" h2. If that doesnt work, just put the stamp on upside down. :spin:

And I feel really bad that YOU dont give me much "credibility". Hillarryous.
What's up with You?

Simple answer, he's a radiator.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: kphoger on April 25, 2017, 08:50:32 PM
WHY would it "require" booths again? DONT build them! YOU overthink (or dont?) such basic things. The bridge is the big money maintenance item, thats ALL that needs be tolled.

The entire length of the Skyway is a toll road. Not just the bridge. That's why.
FIFY!

us - You should build a new interchange.
toll agency - OK, why?
us - Just trust me on this one.
toll agency - Sure, no problem.
us - And don't put any toll booths on the ramps.
toll agency - So... we pay for this thing and then get no extra money from it?
us - Is that a problem?
toll agency - Hillaryous.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on April 25, 2017, 08:57:00 PM
It's sad, but it looks like in the future, only the Belvidere and Dekalb Oasis will remain.

Since when are the plans to remove the Lake Forest and Lincoln Oases?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on April 25, 2017, 09:31:53 PM
It's sad, but it looks like in the future, only the Belvidere and Dekalb Oasis will remain.

Since when are the plans to remove the Lake Forest and Lincoln Oases?

My apologies, I shouldn't have been so definitive. I should have said the Belvidere and DeKalb Oasis might be the only ones to remain in the future.

The reason I say that is because I wouldn't be surprised if at some point, the Tollway would want to redo the rest of the system (in the suburbs, that is) to incorporate the wider shoulders and active traffic management that they've done on I-90 and will do on the Central Tri-State. Granted, I doubt they go back and widen those sections for at least 15-20 years at the soonest, but any future improvements to the north and south Tri-State will require the removal of the Lake Forest and Lincoln Oases.

I think the south section (the I-80/294 duplex) will likely need five lanes in ten years (especially since the Illiana is likely dead), and they'll need to redo it anyway since ISTHA didn't rebuild the crossroad bridges to eliminate the "pinch-points" (I guess that is the new Tollway term for the crossroad bridges that were not reconstructed when the road was widened, and have narrow shoulders underneath).

In other news, it looks like the Tollway will be replacing the Bradley Road overpass on the North Tri-State just north of the Lake Forest Oasis next year (it is on their bidding schedule). I wonder if they'll bring the shoulders up to regular standard when they do so.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: quickshade on April 25, 2017, 09:41:32 PM
Tollway sent out a release that the Tristate rebuild will require an additional 2.1 billion dollars. Or at least thats what I got from the wording in it. Sounds like no additional increases in the tolls and they will just increase the program length itself. However it really does seem like the tri-State rebuild is not only real, but is going to be one of the biggest undertakings in the tollways history. Seems like they are going head on to solve the problem with the roadway, build it out for the future, work with local communities to solve some issues and overall build something that most will be proud of. I don't blame them. Just not looking forward to that construction schedule.

Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on April 25, 2017, 11:06:53 PM
It's sad, but it looks like in the future, only the Belvidere and Dekalb Oasis will remain.

Since when are the plans to remove the Lake Forest and Lincoln Oases?

My apologies, I shouldn't have been so definitive. I should have said the Belvidere and DeKalb Oasis might be the only ones to remain in the future.

The reason I say that is because I wouldn't be surprised if at some point, the Tollway would want to redo the rest of the system (in the suburbs, that is) to incorporate the wider shoulders and active traffic management that they've done on I-90 and will do on the Central Tri-State. Granted, I doubt they go back and widen those sections for at least 15-20 years at the soonest, but any future improvements to the north and south Tri-State will require the removal of the Lake Forest and Lincoln Oases.

I think the south section (the I-80/294 duplex) will likely need five lanes in ten years (especially since the Illiana is likely dead), and they'll need to redo it anyway since ISTHA didn't rebuild the crossroad bridges to eliminate the "pinch-points" (I guess that is the new Tollway term for the crossroad bridges that were not reconstructed when the road was widened, and have narrow shoulders underneath).

In other news, it looks like the Tollway will be replacing the Bradley Road overpass on the North Tri-State just north of the Lake Forest Oasis next year (it is on their bidding schedule). I wonder if they'll bring the shoulders up to regular standard when they do so.

I-80 / I-294 is 4+AUX right now other then IL-1 to Lincoln Oases

north part needs more full interchanges.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: hobsini2 on April 26, 2017, 07:35:57 PM
WHY would it "require" booths again? DONT build them! YOU overthink (or dont?) such basic things. The bridge is the big money maintenance item, thats ALL that needs be tolled.

The entire length of the Skyway is a toll road. Not just the bridge. That's why.
FIFY!

us - You should build a new interchange.
toll agency - OK, why?
us - Just trust me on this one.
toll agency - Sure, no problem.
us - And don't put any toll booths on the ramps.
toll agency - So... we pay for this thing and then get no extra money from it?
us - Is that a problem?
toll agency - Hillaryous.

Exactly KP. Yet that goes right over his head.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: JREwing78 on April 26, 2017, 10:28:33 PM
I'm thankful that I-355 is an option for me to bypass Tri-State construction. It'll be awesome when it's done, but a bear while construction is underway.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on April 26, 2017, 11:07:59 PM
I'm thankful that I-355 is an option for me to bypass Tri-State construction. It'll be awesome when it's done, but a bear while construction is underway.
they need to widen the I-88 to I-290 part.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on April 26, 2017, 11:31:58 PM
I'm thankful that I-355 is an option for me to bypass Tri-State construction. It'll be awesome when it's done, but a bear while construction is underway.
they need to widen the I-88 to I-290 part.

That'll be trouble with the Arboretum, who will block any further expansion in their section
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: roadman65 on April 27, 2017, 10:30:41 AM
Hey somebody deleted a post of mine just reminding other users of troll interaction.  I just said that we should be careful and not engage in discussion with people who will argue back to the point of insult as they live on us doing that.

Considering that the other comebacks posts were not it was deleted by accident when the other user tried his hand at snark back at KP, and I am guessing the moderator thought he was too fresh.

Anyway just backing up I-39 as he did make sense that we antagonize when we try to point out wrongs to that one user, and that we should just ignore him.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on April 27, 2017, 11:54:02 AM
I'm thankful that I-355 is an option for me to bypass Tri-State construction. It'll be awesome when it's done, but a bear while construction is underway.
they need to widen the I-88 to I-290 part.

I hope ISTHA considers a complete rebuild of the 1989 sections of I-355 after they are done with the Central Tri-State. That stretch is starting to show its age, especially when compared to most of the rest of the system.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dcharlie on April 27, 2017, 12:10:46 PM
Hey somebody deleted a post of mine just reminding other users of troll interaction.  I just said that we should be careful and not engage in discussion with people who will argue back to the point of insult as they live on us doing that.

Considering that the other comebacks posts were not it was deleted by accident when the other user tried his hand at snark back at KP, and I am guessing the moderator thought he was too fresh.

Anyway just backing up I-39 as he did make sense that we antagonize when we try to point out wrongs to that one user, and that we should just ignore him.

Deleted mine too...
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: kphoger on April 27, 2017, 12:49:16 PM
Posts get deleted.  It's just the mods doing their job.  It's not a perfect system, but it's not something to pitch a fit about either.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dcharlie on April 27, 2017, 01:49:05 PM
Yeah I know...  But it's frustrating when we have to deal with a certain someones childishness and his stuff remains...
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Rothman on April 27, 2017, 02:04:32 PM
When I pitch fits, they are all strikes.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on April 27, 2017, 04:18:59 PM
I'm thankful that I-355 is an option for me to bypass Tri-State construction. It'll be awesome when it's done, but a bear while construction is underway.
they need to widen the I-88 to I-290 part.

That'll be trouble with the Arboretum, who will block any further expansion in their section

It is going to need to be widened within the next 10-15 years, so too bad if they don't want it.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on April 27, 2017, 04:21:55 PM
Looks like the Central Tri-State widening is a go

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-tollway-board-294-widening-0427-20170427-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-tollway-board-294-widening-0427-20170427-story.html)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on April 27, 2017, 04:35:46 PM
That's good to hear!
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Quimby on April 27, 2017, 05:19:11 PM
IMHO, it would be a big loss to lose the oases.  There really isn't that much commercial development near the Tri-State, & the interchanges on the central Tri-State make getting on and off difficult.

Not to mention people don't want to have to pay another toll just to use the bathroom. The main advantage of the oases is that they're part of the tollway network and you don't have to pay to get on or off.

Agreed.  I'd hate to see them go.  It's not always easy to hop off and then hop back on the Tri-State for a food/bathroom break.  The Tri-State covers a long stretch of Interstate - about 75 miles!

Though not part of this project, the one I'd really miss is the Lincoln Oasis.  To me, that one is very well situated for times I'm heading eastbound out of state. 
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on April 27, 2017, 06:39:35 PM
IMHO, it would be a big loss to lose the oases.  There really isn't that much commercial development near the Tri-State, & the interchanges on the central Tri-State make getting on and off difficult.

Not to mention people don't want to have to pay another toll just to use the bathroom. The main advantage of the oases is that they're part of the tollway network and you don't have to pay to get on or off.



Agreed.  I'd hate to see them go.  It's not always easy to hop off and then hop back on the Tri-State for a food/bathroom break.  The Tri-State covers a long stretch of Interstate - about 75 miles!

Though not part of this project, the one I'd really miss is the Lincoln Oasis.  To me, that one is very well situated for times I'm heading eastbound out of state.

Hinsdale is my go-to stop for food before heading west for late night shenanigans. I'll just have to eat closer to home beforehand in 5 years

I'm thankful that I-355 is an option for me to bypass Tri-State construction. It'll be awesome when it's done, but a bear while construction is underway.
they need to widen the I-88 to I-290 part.

That'll be trouble with the Arboretum, who will block any further expansion in their section

It is going to need to be widened within the next 10-15 years, so too bad if they don't want it.

Oh I agree, but you know how that'll go with the environmentalists wanting to save maybe 10 trees that would be in the way
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on April 27, 2017, 08:12:11 PM
IMHO, it would be a big loss to lose the oases.  There really isn't that much commercial development near the Tri-State, & the interchanges on the central Tri-State make getting on and off difficult.

Not to mention people don't want to have to pay another toll just to use the bathroom. The main advantage of the oases is that they're part of the tollway network and you don't have to pay to get on or off.

Agreed.  I'd hate to see them go.  It's not always easy to hop off and then hop back on the Tri-State for a food/bathroom break.  The Tri-State covers a long stretch of Interstate - about 75 miles!

Though not part of this project, the one I'd really miss is the Lincoln Oasis.  To me, that one is very well situated for times I'm heading eastbound out of state.

They should have thought about that when rebuilding the oases. I don't understand why they didn't rebuild and lengthen the bridge decks to eliminate the "pinch-points" and accommodate future widening.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on April 27, 2017, 08:51:39 PM
I'm thankful that I-355 is an option for me to bypass Tri-State construction. It'll be awesome when it's done, but a bear while construction is underway.
they need to widen the I-88 to I-290 part.

That'll be trouble with the Arboretum, who will block any further expansion in their section

not in the way of I-355
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on April 27, 2017, 10:52:29 PM
Technically it is land owned by the Arboretum. I've seen tons of coyotes (or foxes?)  along the fence at the top of that wall. I know the Arboretum will try and oppose it.

But I am curious about the tunnel under 88.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on April 28, 2017, 08:22:56 AM
Do we know yet if ISTHA will be re designing any of the Central Tri State interchanges?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on April 28, 2017, 09:02:12 AM
I'm thankful that I-355 is an option for me to bypass Tri-State construction. It'll be awesome when it's done, but a bear while construction is underway.
they need to widen the I-88 to I-290 part.

That'll be trouble with the Arboretum, who will block any further expansion in their section

not in the way of I-355

Yes, it is hence why nothing has been done to that section for years
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: slorydn1 on April 28, 2017, 10:01:16 AM
When I pitch fits, they are all strikes.

And that's why they keep getting hit over the ivy in left center.  :)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on April 28, 2017, 03:41:30 PM
Technically it is land owned by the Arboretum. I've seen tons of coyotes (or foxes?)  along the fence at the top of that wall. I know the Arboretum will try and oppose it.

But I am curious about the tunnel under 88.
I will make it easy for you IL-56 to I-290 part does arboretum owns that? That part needs widening.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on April 28, 2017, 05:56:10 PM
Technically it is land owned by the Arboretum. I've seen tons of coyotes (or foxes?)  along the fence at the top of that wall. I know the Arboretum will try and oppose it.

But I am curious about the tunnel under 88.
I will make it easy for you IL-56 to I-290 part does arboretum owns that? That part needs widening.

So you'll just leave the IL-56 to I-88 section 3 lanes, surrounded by 4 lane sections?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Rick Powell on April 28, 2017, 10:40:59 PM
Do we know yet if ISTHA will be re designing any of the Central Tri State interchanges?

I went to 2 of the meetings, and it looks like I-55 and I-290/88 will get major makeovers...and 290/88 will need to accommodate the future I-290 project from there to the Jane Byrne interchange. I would think the local interchanges will get a makeover, though not sure to what extent.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on April 30, 2017, 12:41:04 PM
Did they show any designs or plans of what they might do? Or did they just explain that those interchanges will need to makeovers?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Stephane Dumas on April 30, 2017, 03:20:56 PM
I saw a old topo map showing the half-interchange of IL-171/US12-20-45 with on-ramps from IL-171 to Central Tri-State southbound but it also show a off-ramp to Cork Avenue allowing northbound Tri-State users to access IL-171 via Cork Avenue and now that ramp is removed and I wondered when that ramp was removed?  http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=41.74674,-87.84149&z=15&t=T
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on April 30, 2017, 04:13:20 PM
By going to Historic Aerials, it looks like the ramp was removed between 1988 and 1998. 1992 was when a 4th lane was added in each direction. So maybe they needed room for it. Not sure but it looks like they could add a ramp there onto Cork.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Rick Powell on April 30, 2017, 04:43:35 PM
Did they show any designs or plans of what they might do? Or did they just explain that those interchanges will need to makeovers?

What I saw were simple line drawings of the existing route. They had some other displays but I didn't go over and look at them. The Hinsdale meeting was so crowded that you could barely see the lady from the Tollway who was giving the presentation. I went back and looked at the 15 slide hearing presentation that the Tollway posted at their website, and no conceptual drawings or renderings.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on May 01, 2017, 09:21:01 AM
Technically it is land owned by the Arboretum. I've seen tons of coyotes (or foxes?)  along the fence at the top of that wall. I know the Arboretum will try and oppose it.

But I am curious about the tunnel under 88.
I will make it easy for you IL-56 to I-290 part does arboretum owns that? That part needs widening.

So you'll just leave the IL-56 to I-88 section 3 lanes, surrounded by 4 lane sections?  :hmmm:
That part has C/D lanes.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on May 01, 2017, 05:48:02 PM
Technically it is land owned by the Arboretum. I've seen tons of coyotes (or foxes?)  along the fence at the top of that wall. I know the Arboretum will try and oppose it.

But I am curious about the tunnel under 88.
I will make it easy for you IL-56 to I-290 part does arboretum owns that? That part needs widening.

So you'll just leave the IL-56 to I-88 section 3 lanes, surrounded by 4 lane sections?  :hmmm:
That part has C/D lanes.

True, but 4 mainline lanes would still be needed just to keep consistent traffic flow
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on May 01, 2017, 09:25:10 PM
Technically it is land owned by the Arboretum. I've seen tons of coyotes (or foxes?)  along the fence at the top of that wall. I know the Arboretum will try and oppose it.

But I am curious about the tunnel under 88.
I will make it easy for you IL-56 to I-290 part does arboretum owns that? That part needs widening.

So you'll just leave the IL-56 to I-88 section 3 lanes, surrounded by 4 lane sections?  :hmmm:
That part has C/D lanes.

True, but 4 mainline lanes would still be needed just to keep consistent traffic flow

at very least 3+AUX for the IL-56 to I-290 part. Also rework the lake to I-290 part going north.  But having drop to 3 in between the I-88 ramps should not be that bad.

if 4 main line then the IL-56 to IL 38 part will need 4+AUX.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on May 01, 2017, 09:38:52 PM
Technically it is land owned by the Arboretum. I've seen tons of coyotes (or foxes?)  along the fence at the top of that wall. I know the Arboretum will try and oppose it.

But I am curious about the tunnel under 88.
I will make it easy for you IL-56 to I-290 part does arboretum owns that? That part needs widening.

So you'll just leave the IL-56 to I-88 section 3 lanes, surrounded by 4 lane sections?  :hmmm:
That part has C/D lanes.

True, but 4 mainline lanes would still be needed just to keep consistent traffic flow

at very least 3+AUX for the IL-56 to I-290 part. Also rework the lake to I-290 part going north.  But having drop to 3 in between the I-88 ramps should not be that bad.

if 4 main line then the IL-56 to IL 38 part will need 4+AUX.

It'll be up to IDOT to widen the stretch from Army Trail to 290 since that part is not the tollway. I never understood that though.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on May 01, 2017, 10:53:40 PM
Technically it is land owned by the Arboretum. I've seen tons of coyotes (or foxes?)  along the fence at the top of that wall. I know the Arboretum will try and oppose it.

But I am curious about the tunnel under 88.
I will make it easy for you IL-56 to I-290 part does arboretum owns that? That part needs widening.

So you'll just leave the IL-56 to I-88 section 3 lanes, surrounded by 4 lane sections?  :hmmm:
That part has C/D lanes.

True, but 4 mainline lanes would still be needed just to keep consistent traffic flow

at very least 3+AUX for the IL-56 to I-290 part. Also rework the lake to I-290 part going north.  But having drop to 3 in between the I-88 ramps should not be that bad.

if 4 main line then the IL-56 to IL 38 part will need 4+AUX.

It'll be up to IDOT to widen the stretch from Army Trail to 290 since that part is not the tollway. I never understood that though.

IDOT Maintains that stretch because it pre-dates the tollway portion by about 15-20 years. The tollway took over the the I-355 project in the 1980s when it was determined that IDOT didn't have the funds to complete it.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on May 12, 2017, 04:00:37 PM
Have they started work on the I-90 WB entrance ramp from Central Road yet?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on May 20, 2017, 04:15:59 PM
I forgot my I-PASS at home and drove through the I-PASS only lanes the other day.  Do they just take the money out of my account or do I have to go though the whole missed toll process?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on May 20, 2017, 04:56:26 PM
I forgot my I-PASS at home and drove through the I-PASS only lanes the other day.  Do they just take the money out of my account or do I have to go though the whole missed toll process?
they should read your plate and list it as a V-toll.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on May 20, 2017, 05:14:21 PM
I forgot my I-PASS at home and drove through the I-PASS only lanes the other day.  Do they just take the money out of my account or do I have to go though the whole missed toll process?
you have 7 days to pay online before you get a violation.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on May 20, 2017, 06:35:47 PM
I forgot my I-PASS at home and drove through the I-PASS only lanes the other day.  Do they just take the money out of my account or do I have to go though the whole missed toll process?
you have 7 days to pay online before you get a violation.

No.  He's fine.  It'll just be a vToll as he has a transponder and he's in their system.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: cl94 on May 20, 2017, 07:14:53 PM
Quick question: does ISTHA give E-ZPass discounts to all users, or only people with Illinois tags? Need to know how much I should have on my account when I'm out near Chicago for the meet next weekend.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on May 20, 2017, 07:36:08 PM
I forgot my I-PASS at home and drove through the I-PASS only lanes the other day.  Do they just take the money out of my account or do I have to go though the whole missed toll process?
you have 7 days to pay online before you get a violation.

No.  He's fine.  It'll just be a vToll as he has a transponder and he's in their system.
Ah.

I learn something new every day :sombrero:
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: nwi_navigator_1181 on May 20, 2017, 08:11:07 PM
I forgot my I-PASS at home and drove through the I-PASS only lanes the other day.  Do they just take the money out of my account or do I have to go though the whole missed toll process?
you have 7 days to pay online before you get a violation.

No.  He's fine.  It'll just be a vToll as he has a transponder and he's in their system.

I can personally vouch for this. My transponder missed the last three tolls of the Indiana-bound Tri-State Tollway and was later fixed. Just make the adjustments and calculate your balance accordingly; it will take a couple of weeks for the V-Tolls to reflect in your transponder history.

Regarding the iPass/EZPass discount: the discounted toll rate applies to all drivers who carry a registered transponder. The only thing that may cause hang up is the surcharge fee for non-iPass users, which is only a nickel or so.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on May 20, 2017, 11:18:51 PM
Have they started work on the I-90 WB entrance ramp from Central Road yet?

Still has not started - rumor has it there were issues with the bids for the project.

I forgot my I-PASS at home and drove through the I-PASS only lanes the other day.  Do they just take the money out of my account or do I have to go though the whole missed toll process?
you have 7 days to pay online before you get a violation.

No.  He's fine.  It'll just be a vToll as he has a transponder and he's in their system.

I thought ISTHA was changing things so one time he's fine, but if it happens too many more times, he'll get a violation notice much sooner than in the past?

Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on May 21, 2017, 07:18:13 AM
I forgot my I-PASS at home and drove through the I-PASS only lanes the other day.  Do they just take the money out of my account or do I have to go though the whole missed toll process?
you have 7 days to pay online before you get a violation.

No.  He's fine.  It'll just be a vToll as he has a transponder and he's in their system.

I can personally vouch for this. My transponder missed the last three tolls of the Indiana-bound Tri-State Tollway and was later fixed. Just make the adjustments and calculate your balance accordingly; it will take a couple of weeks for the V-Tolls to reflect in your transponder history.

Regarding the iPass/EZPass discount: the discounted toll rate applies to all drivers who carry a registered transponder. The only thing that may cause hang up is the surcharge fee for non-iPass users, which is only a nickel or so.

And that surcharge is done by the agency that you got your EZ Pass from to cover their admin costs.  Some don't do the surcharge at all.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: quickshade on May 21, 2017, 10:25:10 AM
Have they started work on the I-90 WB entrance ramp from Central Road yet?

Still has not started - rumor has it there were issues with the bids for the project.

I forgot my I-PASS at home and drove through the I-PASS only lanes the other day.  Do they just take the money out of my account or do I have to go though the whole missed toll process?
you have 7 days to pay online before you get a violation.

No.  He's fine.  It'll just be a vToll as he has a transponder and he's in their system.

I thought ISTHA was changing things so one time he's fine, but if it happens too many more times, he'll get a violation notice much sooner than in the past?

If his plate is listed linked to the transponder then it doesn't matter it'll just automatically deduct from the account every time. I'm pretty sure it just marks it as a plate read.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: hobsini2 on May 21, 2017, 01:46:47 PM
Quick question: does ISTHA give E-ZPass discounts to all users, or only people with Illinois tags? Need to know how much I should have on my account when I'm out near Chicago for the meet next weekend.
I believe you do get a discount but I don't know if it is the full discount. I know I did not get a discount in New York but I did in Indiana and Ohio several years ago.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 21, 2017, 03:00:31 PM
Quick question: does ISTHA give E-ZPass discounts to all users, or only people with Illinois tags? Need to know how much I should have on my account when I'm out near Chicago for the meet next weekend.
I believe you do get a discount but I don't know if it is the full discount. I know I did not get a discount in New York but I did in Indiana and Ohio several years ago.


I am a Wisconsin resident with an EZ Pass and pay the EZ Pass rate.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on May 21, 2017, 07:37:59 PM
the only thing a non-I-Pass transponder on the E-Z Pass system pays besides the discounted rate (which is equal to that of the I-Pass itself) is what issuing agencies charge, if any.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: on_wisconsin on May 25, 2017, 04:19:24 PM
Quick question- Do I-Pass transponders expire? I got one in 2014 for a road trip out east and was wondering if it could still be used.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: quickshade on May 25, 2017, 04:54:08 PM
Quick question- Do I-Pass transponders expire? I got one in 2014 for a road trip out east and was wondering if it could still be used.

They do, I think mine was issued in 2013 and expires in 2021. But not sure what happens when you get to that date. I doubt it'll stop working. So I imagine they will say just keep it.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on May 25, 2017, 05:35:29 PM
Quick question- Do I-Pass transponders expire? I got one in 2014 for a road trip out east and was wondering if it could still be used.

They do, I think mine was issued in 2013 and expires in 2021. But not sure what happens when you get to that date. I doubt it'll stop working. So I imagine they will say just keep it.

When you're close to the date, ISTHA will send you a letter telling you to exchange it for a new one at one of the service centers or a Jewel-Osco free of charge.  That's what I had to do a couple of years ago when mine (originally gotten in 2003) was ready to expire.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dcharlie on May 26, 2017, 08:20:22 AM
My understanding is that the expiration is more a factor of transponder battery life than anything else.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: cl94 on May 26, 2017, 09:17:32 PM
My understanding is that the expiration is more a factor of transponder battery life than anything else.

I'm assuming that's the case, because none of the E-ZPass transponders in my part of the country expire.

That being said, I was pleasantly surprised by the condition of the Illinois Tollway system when on it today. Highway-speed toll lanes and pavement was in excellent condition. Compare that to what we have in the northeast (cough...NYSTA and MassDOT...cough) and I actually don't mind paying the toll as much as I do in New York.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on May 27, 2017, 02:08:07 AM
My understanding is that the expiration is more a factor of transponder battery life than anything else.

I'm assuming that's the case, because none of the E-ZPass transponders in my part of the country expire.

That being said, I was pleasantly surprised by the condition of the Illinois Tollway system when on it today. Highway-speed toll lanes and pavement was in excellent condition. Compare that to what we have in the northeast (cough...NYSTA and MassDOT...cough) and I actually don't mind paying the toll as much as I do in New York.

What's ironic is that the Tollway here used to be the system of highways out of date and in poor condition. However, in the past 10-15 years, that really has changed and they really are the best highways in Illinois, definitely much better than anything maintained by IDOT. The Tollway portion of I-90 in particular is quite nice now. Having driven on a number of the Toll Roads in the NE, I must agree that it is rather amazing they're not in better shape there considering how high the tolls are.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: quickshade on May 27, 2017, 12:13:15 PM
My understanding is that the expiration is more a factor of transponder battery life than anything else.

I'm assuming that's the case, because none of the E-ZPass transponders in my part of the country expire.

That being said, I was pleasantly surprised by the condition of the Illinois Tollway system when on it today. Highway-speed toll lanes and pavement was in excellent condition. Compare that to what we have in the northeast (cough...NYSTA and MassDOT...cough) and I actually don't mind paying the toll as much as I do in New York.

What's ironic is that the Tollway here used to be the system of highways out of date and in poor condition. However, in the past 10-15 years, that really has changed and they really are the best highways in Illinois, definitely much better than anything maintained by IDOT. The Tollway portion of I-90 in particular is quite nice now. Having driven on a number of the Toll Roads in the NE, I must agree that it is rather amazing they're not in better shape there considering how high the tolls are.

After Blago and the toll board being all but cleaned out by Lisa Madigan (the one good thing she might have done in this area) and Quinn the tollway itself cleaned up it's act. The biggest thing it did was distant itself away from Springfield money and politics and really just focused on having a clean image and what was best for the surrounding communities.

It also took a heavy approach in build for the future and not just the repair and replace system that it had in place for so many years, including looking at long term pavement options, green tech, proper water drainage and 21st century technology to help improve the roads and communities. This combined with actually improving the roadway itself via expansion and proper interchange relief has really changed the image of the Illinois Tollway itself. I'm sure there are still a few shady dealings going on underneath it all, because face it we are Illinois but overall the turnaround that it has put itself through and results are well worth it.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ajlynch91 on May 28, 2017, 09:47:57 PM
Just imagine what IDOT and Metra could accomplish with some new blood and some addition by subtraction.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on May 29, 2017, 12:21:20 AM
Just imagine what IDOT and Metra could accomplish with some new blood and some addition by subtraction.

And a more efficient ticket collection system
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on May 29, 2017, 09:03:13 AM
Just imagine what IDOT and Metra could accomplish with some new blood and some addition by subtraction.

And a more efficient ticket collection system

I fully agree on that one! Although this is getting off topic, all I will say is that Metra's fare and ticket collection system is an absolute joke in this day and age.

However, on a similar note, I know the delays at the Roselle Road interchange on I-90 are basically because of Cook County, but how about Elmhurst Road and Barrington Road? I know those are both IDOT maintained, so is IDOT the one holding up the show at those spots? It just seems that where IDOT is not involved the Tollway was able to do their work just fine. Also, now with I-90 essentially finished on the mainline, the highlight of how far from sufficient the IDOT portion in Chicago is now very much highlighted.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on May 29, 2017, 10:22:00 AM
Have you used Metra's ventra app?  I think it is pretty slick.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on May 29, 2017, 12:11:17 PM
Just imagine what IDOT and Metra could accomplish with some new blood and some addition by subtraction.

And a more efficient ticket collection system
but my corp makes big bank from the $500+ hole puncher that Metra buys!
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on May 29, 2017, 10:07:32 PM
Have you used Metra's ventra app?  I think it is pretty slick.

Yes, multiple times a week, in fact. It's a welcome improvement, but it still is silly that you have ticket conductors checking tickets (or that you have to "tap" on the screen for them). I would rather it be something automated to where I can get on, and then that's it, more like the CTA. I know that would be a huge cost, so I am sure that is the main reason they can't simply do that.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: thenetwork on May 29, 2017, 11:15:51 PM
With the state of roads and things in Illinois in general, they should just start charging a $5 entrance fee to the state.

And thus, ShunSTATE-ing was created!
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: DevalDragon on May 30, 2017, 01:52:14 AM
When did the speed limit on the I-355 extension go up to 70? I noticed it last month but haven't seen anything on it.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on May 30, 2017, 02:05:00 PM
When did the speed limit on the I-355 extension go up to 70? I noticed it last month but haven't seen anything on it.
they upped I-290 from somewhere before irving park road to 60.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on May 30, 2017, 03:54:36 PM
Wish they'd increase the speed on EOE
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dave069 on May 30, 2017, 04:09:43 PM
When did the speed limit on the I-355 extension go up to 70? I noticed it last month but haven't seen anything on it.

I saw it go to 70 in early March, around the time I-90 west of Elgin went to 70.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: JREwing78 on May 30, 2017, 07:32:57 PM
When did the speed limit on the I-355 extension go up to 70? I noticed it last month but haven't seen anything on it.

I saw it go to 70 in early March, around the time I-90 west of Elgin went to 70.

It was a good call; the road can clearly handle it.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on May 30, 2017, 08:30:57 PM
Wish they'd increase the speed on EOE
maybe when the road work is done till IL-83. also I-90 needs to be 70 Chicago to Elgin. People are doing 70-80+ on it now.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: inkyatari on May 31, 2017, 08:49:15 AM
When did the speed limit on the I-355 extension go up to 70? I noticed it last month but haven't seen anything on it.

I saw it go to 70 in early March, around the time I-90 west of Elgin went to 70.

It was a good call; the road can clearly handle it.

The Illinois Legislature passed a law a couple months ago increasing the speed limit on the interstates and tollways to 70 as far north, and including I-80 and as far east, and I believe including I-294.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on July 06, 2017, 08:17:37 PM
Tollway to hold open house to solicit ideas about how to fix the Hillside Strangler

https://patch.com/illinois/elmhurst/illinois-tollway-holds-open-house-elmhurst (https://patch.com/illinois/elmhurst/illinois-tollway-holds-open-house-elmhurst)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 06, 2017, 10:04:42 PM
Tollway to hold open house to solicit ideas about how to fix the Hillside Strangler

https://patch.com/illinois/elmhurst/illinois-tollway-holds-open-house-elmhurst (https://patch.com/illinois/elmhurst/illinois-tollway-holds-open-house-elmhurst)


In other news, some guy named "dzlsabe" is already camping out in front of the meeting location.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on July 06, 2017, 10:33:35 PM
Tollway to hold open house to solicit ideas about how to fix the Hillside Strangler

https://patch.com/illinois/elmhurst/illinois-tollway-holds-open-house-elmhurst (https://patch.com/illinois/elmhurst/illinois-tollway-holds-open-house-elmhurst)


In other news, some guy named "dzlsabe" is already camping out in front of the meeting location.

His name is Fred you know......  :)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on July 07, 2017, 12:48:03 AM
when will the scans / pdfs of the exhibits be put on line? also any have an email that I can send some ideas to?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on July 20, 2017, 05:52:12 PM
Did anyone go to the I-294/88 interchange meeting today? What was discussed?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on July 21, 2017, 09:08:06 PM
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on July 21, 2017, 09:47:41 PM
Here are the proposed concepts

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/588519/20170720_290-88PublicMeeting-Exhibits_Web.pdf/b556fc55-998e-45c7-936c-435850c82639 (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/588519/20170720_290-88PublicMeeting-Exhibits_Web.pdf/b556fc55-998e-45c7-936c-435850c82639)

Thoughts?

I personally like it.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on July 22, 2017, 02:04:31 AM
Here are the proposed concepts

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/588519/20170720_290-88PublicMeeting-Exhibits_Web.pdf/b556fc55-998e-45c7-936c-435850c82639 (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/588519/20170720_290-88PublicMeeting-Exhibits_Web.pdf/b556fc55-998e-45c7-936c-435850c82639)

Thoughts?

I personally like it.

Separate EB 290 with dedicated lanes towards WB 88 and SB 294? YEP I likey.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: brad on July 22, 2017, 12:54:20 PM
This looks great. It's common sense and needed to be done decades ago. Yet it will be at least another decade before it's done. Is this unique to Illinois or does every state have a ridiculously long and drawn out process?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on July 22, 2017, 01:16:14 PM
Here are the proposed concepts

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/588519/20170720_290-88PublicMeeting-Exhibits_Web.pdf/b556fc55-998e-45c7-936c-435850c82639 (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/588519/20170720_290-88PublicMeeting-Exhibits_Web.pdf/b556fc55-998e-45c7-936c-435850c82639)

Thoughts?

1) The staging for the proposed design will be interesting, especially without temporarily closing some of the ramps.

2) Is EB I-290 traffic no longer going to be able to access WB I-88?  With the industrial areas east of I-294 along IL 64 and US 20, I think it would be desirable to keep allowing this possible movement, unless there are plans to add an entrance from IL 64 or US 20 to SB I-294 that would allow these areas access to WB I-88 via I-294.

3) Looks like the levels for the southern crossing of the new ramps between EB I-290 and SB I-294 is reversed - the map shows the SB to EB ramp on top.  Unless the elevations of mainline I-294 and/or mainline I-290 are changing, that would make the new SB to EB ramp rather steep with the need to get over the EB to SB ramp yet get low enough to fit under SB I-294.

This looks great. It's common sense and needed to be done decades ago. Yet it will be at least another decade before it's done. Is this unique to Illinois or does every state have a ridiculously long and drawn out process?

Five years to the anticipated start of construction (2022) is not that 'drawn out'.  How long did it take Missouri to fix the ramps at the west end of the PSB, and how long is it taking TNDOT to fix that wonderful interchange in Memphis between I-55 and Crump Boulevard?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on July 22, 2017, 02:39:32 PM
2) Is EB I-290 traffic no longer going to be able to access WB I-88?  With the industrial areas east of I-294 along IL 64 and US 20, I think it would be desirable to keep allowing this possible movement, unless there are plans to add an entrance from IL 64 or US 20 to SB I-294 that would allow these areas access to WB I-88 via I-294.

I believe EB I-290 to WB I-88 will be eliminated. And honestly, who cares? Is that movement really needed? The vast majority of the traffic does not make that move, and eliminating it will allow for much better traffic flow for the primary movements. The few who need to make that move can continue down to Cermak/22nd St and take it west to the Spring Road I-88 entrance in Oak Brook.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 22, 2017, 04:47:41 PM
What's nice about the I-294 northbound to I-290 westbound is that it eliminates the long cloverleaf ramp, which has always been a pain not just because its a cloverleaf, but because you had to navigate merging into traffic and curve northbound at the same time.  The entrance ramps onto I-290 would now by on a straight-away.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on July 22, 2017, 05:20:54 PM
2) Is EB I-290 traffic no longer going to be able to access WB I-88?  With the industrial areas east of I-294 along IL 64 and US 20, I think it would be desirable to keep allowing this possible movement, unless there are plans to add an entrance from IL 64 or US 20 to SB I-294 that would allow these areas access to WB I-88 via I-294.

I believe EB I-290 to WB I-88 will be eliminated. And honestly, who cares? Is that movement really needed? The vast majority of the traffic does not make that move, and eliminating it will allow for much better traffic flow for the primary movements. The few who need to make that move can continue down to Cermak/22nd St and take it west to the Spring Road I-88 entrance in Oak Brook.

You'd be surprised at how many make that movement.  Anyway, it's a moot point as there's a slip ramp in there, slightly hidden by one of the big arrows.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on July 22, 2017, 10:16:11 PM
2) Is EB I-290 traffic no longer going to be able to access WB I-88?  With the industrial areas east of I-294 along IL 64 and US 20, I think it would be desirable to keep allowing this possible movement, unless there are plans to add an entrance from IL 64 or US 20 to SB I-294 that would allow these areas access to WB I-88 via I-294.

I believe EB I-290 to WB I-88 will be eliminated. And honestly, who cares? Is that movement really needed? The vast majority of the traffic does not make that move, and eliminating it will allow for much better traffic flow for the primary movements. The few who need to make that move can continue down to Cermak/22nd St and take it west to the Spring Road I-88 entrance in Oak Brook.

You'd be surprised at how many make that movement.  Anyway, it's a moot point as there's a slip ramp in there, slightly hidden by one of the big arrows.

Is there? I can't really tell.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on July 23, 2017, 04:14:33 PM
now how are they going to fit this is in + widening? regrade and realine I-294 there?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on July 23, 2017, 05:08:10 PM
now how are they going to fit this is in + widening? regrade and realign I-294 there?
How much ROW does ISTHA and IDOT have at that interchange?

And if ISTHA designed to build on unused IDOT ROW, would IDOT allow it to be built for interchange and roadway improvements?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on July 23, 2017, 09:47:07 PM
I believe EB I-290 to WB I-88 will be eliminated. And honestly, who cares? Is that movement really needed? The vast majority of the traffic does not make that move, and eliminating it will allow for much better traffic flow for the primary movements. The few who need to make that move can continue down to Cermak/22nd St and take it west to the Spring Road I-88 entrance in Oak Brook.

You'd be surprised at how many make that movement.  Anyway, it's a moot point as there's a slip ramp in there, slightly hidden by one of the big arrows.

Is there? I can't really tell.

There's a pretty significant number of people who make that movement because I-290 has those ramps to IL-64 and St. Charles Road.  People will get on at those two ramps and take I-290 south as a means to reach I-88 (and the return trip of course).
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on July 23, 2017, 10:24:27 PM
I believe EB I-290 to WB I-88 will be eliminated. And honestly, who cares? Is that movement really needed? The vast majority of the traffic does not make that move, and eliminating it will allow for much better traffic flow for the primary movements. The few who need to make that move can continue down to Cermak/22nd St and take it west to the Spring Road I-88 entrance in Oak Brook.

You'd be surprised at how many make that movement.  Anyway, it's a moot point as there's a slip ramp in there, slightly hidden by one of the big arrows.

Is there? I can't really tell.

There's a pretty significant number of people who make that movement because I-290 has those ramps to IL-64 and St. Charles Road.  People will get on at those two ramps and take I-290 south as a means to reach I-88 (and the return trip of course).

The new EOE / west bypass can take some load off as well (but I-290 is free and some people may use it to save some $).
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on July 24, 2017, 05:58:30 AM
I believe EB I-290 to WB I-88 will be eliminated. And honestly, who cares? Is that movement really needed? The vast majority of the traffic does not make that move, and eliminating it will allow for much better traffic flow for the primary movements. The few who need to make that move can continue down to Cermak/22nd St and take it west to the Spring Road I-88 entrance in Oak Brook.

You'd be surprised at how many make that movement.  Anyway, it's a moot point as there's a slip ramp in there, slightly hidden by one of the big arrows.

Is there? I can't really tell.

There's a pretty significant number of people who make that movement because I-290 has those ramps to IL-64 and St. Charles Road.  People will get on at those two ramps and take I-290 south as a means to reach I-88 (and the return trip of course).

The new EOE / west bypass can take some load off as well (but I-290 is free and some people may use it to save some $).

It won't take any of the load off from St Charles or North Avenues.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: CtrlAltDel on July 24, 2017, 02:40:18 PM
I believe EB I-290 to WB I-88 will be eliminated. And honestly, who cares? Is that movement really needed? The vast majority of the traffic does not make that move, and eliminating it will allow for much better traffic flow for the primary movements. The few who need to make that move can continue down to Cermak/22nd St and take it west to the Spring Road I-88 entrance in Oak Brook.


It seems that it won't be. If you look at this screenshot from the presentation, you'll clearly see the split in the ramp from I-290 East, with one branch leading to to I-294 South and the other to I-88 West:
(http://i65.tinypic.com/j8chgk.jpg)


Here, the split is covered up by the arrow, as Brandon noted, but you can still see that the line representing the split is thicker in that area, which suggests that it is still there.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2pyt8ub.jpg)


I'm not sure, though, how the three-dimensional geometry is going to work here. Which ramps are going to over or under the others? In my admittedly naive opinion, there doesn't seem to be that much space in the area to go up and down as needed.

As for I-39's "who cares" question, while I couldn't give the exact numbers, I can say that I make that movement fairly often, at least when I'm in town.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: bobonabike on July 28, 2017, 10:13:48 AM
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170728/tollway-wants-higher-i-90-speeds-but-officials-warn-of-confusion
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on July 28, 2017, 10:47:45 AM
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170728/tollway-wants-higher-i-90-speeds-but-officials-warn-of-confusion

how is that confusing? It's 70 mph until you hit the black top asphalt.

Not like you'll do 70 on the Kennedy in bumper to bumper traffic
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on July 28, 2017, 11:54:00 AM
That's a lot of flyovers/underpassing for those proposed ramps, unless they wanna tear down that row of housing just west of 290
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on July 28, 2017, 12:04:09 PM
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170728/tollway-wants-higher-i-90-speeds-but-officials-warn-of-confusion

how is that confusing? It's 70 mph until you hit the black top asphalt.

Not like you'll do 70 on the Kennedy in bumper to bumper traffic

that split trucks / bus BS. That area can use VMS speed limits. and jack it up to 65-70 when I-294 work is done.  And make I-294 min speed 60 for all parts now!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on July 28, 2017, 06:07:01 PM
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170728/tollway-wants-higher-i-90-speeds-but-officials-warn-of-confusion

how is that confusing? It's 70 mph until you hit the black top asphalt.

Not like you'll do 70 on the Kennedy in bumper to bumper traffic

It's all about the $$$ generated from speeding tickets.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on July 28, 2017, 06:08:24 PM
I believe EB I-290 to WB I-88 will be eliminated. And honestly, who cares? Is that movement really needed? The vast majority of the traffic does not make that move, and eliminating it will allow for much better traffic flow for the primary movements. The few who need to make that move can continue down to Cermak/22nd St and take it west to the Spring Road I-88 entrance in Oak Brook.

You'd be surprised at how many make that movement.  Anyway, it's a moot point as there's a slip ramp in there, slightly hidden by one of the big arrows.

Is there? I can't really tell.

There's a pretty significant number of people who make that movement because I-290 has those ramps to IL-64 and St. Charles Road.  People will get on at those two ramps and take I-290 south as a means to reach I-88 (and the return trip of course).

I guess you guys are right. I didn't think about that.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on July 28, 2017, 06:44:57 PM
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170728/tollway-wants-higher-i-90-speeds-but-officials-warn-of-confusion

how is that confusing? It's 70 mph until you hit the black top asphalt.

Not like you'll do 70 on the Kennedy in bumper to bumper traffic

It's all about the $$$ generated from speeding tickets.

What tickets?  Most judges in Cook County throw out any ticket made out for under 70.  Hell, District 15 ISP don't stop anyone for under 75-80 on the tollways.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on July 29, 2017, 12:16:39 PM
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170728/tollway-wants-higher-i-90-speeds-but-officials-warn-of-confusion

how is that confusing? It's 70 mph until you hit the black top asphalt.

Not like you'll do 70 on the Kennedy in bumper to bumper traffic

It's all about the $$$ generated from speeding tickets.

Last summer when there were still working on I-90 but with no active construction workers present, I remember on Saturday morning at 7 am while I was going eastbound on I-90 near Arlington heights road, I was in front of a unmarked state trooper going 70-75 mph.

He later cut me off going 80 mph or so.

Generally I don't think state troopers care too much about speeding so long as you're not cutting everyone off or going 100+. I believe they got rid of the quota system a few years back. I read somewhere that speeding tickets have dropped more than 40% since then.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on July 29, 2017, 09:33:06 PM
how is that confusing? It's 70 mph until you hit the black top asphalt.

Not like you'll do 70 on the Kennedy in bumper to bumper traffic

I'm in favor of this increase, but it seems odd I-90 gets to go to 70 while most of the Tri-State is 60 to 65 north of O'Hare.  It could be that I-90 has less congestion (so far), but there have been a couple afternoons I've heard on the radio that westbound I-90 is getting a slow spot between Meacham and Roselle.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on July 29, 2017, 11:53:36 PM
how is that confusing? It's 70 mph until you hit the black top asphalt.

Not like you'll do 70 on the Kennedy in bumper to bumper traffic

I'm in favor of this increase, but it seems odd I-90 gets to go to 70 while most of the Tri-State is 60 to 65 north of O'Hare.  It could be that I-90 has less congestion (so far), but there have been a couple afternoons I've heard on the radio that westbound I-90 is getting a slow spot between Meacham and Roselle.

It's not nearly as congested as the Tri-State, plus the Tri-State still has some "narrow" sections under old overpasses, etc (though one could make a solid argument for 70 MPH probably North of Golf or Willow Roads). Also, with the widening on I-90, other than an occasional slow zone just West of I-290, which I have heard is minute compared to what it used to be, it really does move quite well. That choke-point that used to exist Westbound by the Devon Ave Toll Plaza has all but been eliminated with the widening (the idea to have the fifth auxiliary lane continue to the oasis was very smart). Honestly, from traveling on it today, the average flow of traffic was easily going 70-75, so it really would just make sense to have the speed limit reflect the modernized design.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on July 30, 2017, 12:15:26 AM
But, of course, it's IDOT District 1.  You'll never get that.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on July 30, 2017, 06:54:48 AM
But, of course, it's IDOT District 1.  You'll never get that.

IDOT D1 has nothing to do with running the tollways (ISTHA).
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: nwi_navigator_1181 on July 30, 2017, 01:04:04 PM
I'm a big fan of that I-88/294 interchange project. The biggest choke point is the connection from I-290 east to I-88 West, with I-294 being a massive problem during peak travel time. I always thought finding a method to pull I-88 westbound traffic away from the main lines before merging traffic from I-290 would be the key. It appears they have found it; now they just have to negotiate the ultra-tight ROW.

A high speed flyover for I-294 North to I-290 West traffic will be great too, but the problem again will be ROW. I hope they can accept that ramp may have to be single lane.

Finally, if the Des Plaines Oasis to Elgin stretch of I-90 can handle 70 mph, go for it. That extra lane will make a huge difference.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on July 30, 2017, 01:16:33 PM
how is that confusing? It's 70 mph until you hit the black top asphalt.

Not like you'll do 70 on the Kennedy in bumper to bumper traffic

I'm in favor of this increase, but it seems odd I-90 gets to go to 70 while most of the Tri-State is 60 to 65 north of O'Hare.  It could be that I-90 has less congestion (so far), but there have been a couple afternoons I've heard on the radio that westbound I-90 is getting a slow spot between Meacham and Roselle.

It's not nearly as congested as the Tri-State, plus the Tri-State still has some "narrow" sections under old overpasses, etc (though one could make a solid argument for 70 MPH probably North of Golf or Willow Roads). Also, with the widening on I-90, other than an occasional slow zone just West of I-290, which I have heard is minute compared to what it used to be, it really does move quite well. That choke-point that used to exist Westbound by the Devon Ave Toll Plaza has all but been eliminated with the widening (the idea to have the fifth auxiliary lane continue to the oasis was very smart). Honestly, from traveling on it today, the average flow of traffic was easily going 70-75, so it really would just make sense to have the speed limit reflect the modernized design.

When is it in the tollway's radar to finish their halfass job they did a decade ago and redo the overpasses?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on July 30, 2017, 02:49:39 PM
When is it in the tollway's radar to finish their halfass job they did a decade ago and redo the overpasses?

Well, according to the bid schedule, they are scheduled to replace the Bradley Road bridge just north of the Lake Forest Oasis next year. Additionally, they will be replacing the 159th street (US 6) bridge on the southern Tri-State just north of the 163rd street plaza.

So at least that's a start.....
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on August 04, 2017, 04:55:31 PM
Looks like some of those patching on the mile-long bridge on 294 are gonna need to be redone, only a couple weeks old and they're ripped open again :rolleyes: Unless they were supposed to be temporary while they get the left two lanes done, they'll have to go back over the two right lanes again soon. 
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on August 04, 2017, 07:10:02 PM
Looks like some of those patching on the mile-long bridge on 294 are gonna need to be redone, only a couple weeks old and they're ripped open again :rolleyes: Unless they were supposed to be temporary while they get the left two lanes done, they'll have to go back over the two right lanes again soon.

I don't think they are putting much effort into maintaining the mile long bridge since they know it will be completely rebuilt in about 3-4 years.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on August 04, 2017, 09:55:28 PM
I don't get why they're wasting their time and money with it in the first place.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on August 05, 2017, 08:22:58 AM
I don't get why they're wasting their time and money with it in the first place.
The "Bond Money" rule.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dave069 on August 06, 2017, 11:32:51 PM
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170728/tollway-wants-higher-i-90-speeds-but-officials-warn-of-confusion

I like this increase too, much better than what I was expecting, but I also think its odd that the Tri State is only 60 north of O'Hare and doesn't even go to 65 until you cross into Lake County. Maybe this would pressure the Tollway to make extend I-94's 70 zone to Deerfield Road or at least IL-22 rather than IL-132. It is certainly much better than the speed zoning on I-88, 60 mph for far too long. Maybe it would get a hike too, and the northern segment of I-355.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on August 07, 2017, 11:20:36 AM
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170728/tollway-wants-higher-i-90-speeds-but-officials-warn-of-confusion

I like this increase too, much better than what I was expecting, but I also think its odd that the Tri State is only 60 north of O'Hare and doesn't even go to 65 until you cross into Lake County. Maybe this would pressure the Tollway to make extend I-94's 70 zone to Deerfield Road or at least IL-22 rather than IL-132. It is certainly much better than the speed zoning on I-88, 60 mph for far too long. Maybe it would get a hike too, and the northern segment of I-355.
Did they up the free part of I-355? the 60 zone on I-290 starts at the end of I-355 now. Also up I-290 to at least 60 from I-355 to I-294.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on August 07, 2017, 01:01:37 PM
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170728/tollway-wants-higher-i-90-speeds-but-officials-warn-of-confusion

I like this increase too, much better than what I was expecting, but I also think its odd that the Tri State is only 60 north of O'Hare and doesn't even go to 65 until you cross into Lake County. Maybe this would pressure the Tollway to make extend I-94's 70 zone to Deerfield Road or at least IL-22 rather than IL-132. It is certainly much better than the speed zoning on I-88, 60 mph for far too long. Maybe it would get a hike too, and the northern segment of I-355.

Did they up the free part of I-355? the 60 zone on I-290 starts at the end of I-355 now. Also up I-290 to at least 60 from I-355 to I-294.

That section is a bit odd.  The last speed limit sign northbound is for 60 mph on the tolled section.  The last one southbound is for 55 mph, just past Lake Street.  Thus, it would appear to be 60 northbound and 55 southbound there.  Then the bizarre 55 mph section of I-290 between just south of Thorndale and I-355.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: JREwing78 on August 10, 2017, 12:02:00 AM
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170728/tollway-wants-higher-i-90-speeds-but-officials-warn-of-confusion

70 mph on I-90 would be awesome. It's clearly built to handle the higher speeds. As it sits now, 85th percentile speeds are up around 70.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on August 23, 2017, 11:55:43 PM
Are any of the new touchscreen machines up and running on the ramp toll plazas? I've only seen the buckets recently.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: cabiness42 on August 24, 2017, 08:57:53 AM
Looks like the Central Tri-State widening is a go

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-tollway-board-294-widening-0427-20170427-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-tollway-board-294-widening-0427-20170427-story.html)


Just moved to NWI and am commuting daily to Oak Brook.  Good to hear that they are going to widen the Tri-State.  Not looking forward to the construction though.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on August 24, 2017, 11:10:33 AM
Looks like the Central Tri-State widening is a go

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-tollway-board-294-widening-0427-20170427-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-tollway-board-294-widening-0427-20170427-story.html)


Just moved to NWI and am commuting daily to Oak Brook.  Good to hear that they are going to widen the Tri-State.  Not looking forward to the construction though.

Ok So full 5 lanes + FLEX all the way?? Even at the ORT points?  What about at Ogden? It will need C/D lanes (if there is room) or get rid of the clover leaf.
The oases have to go (no room). What are the I-294 / I-55 plans?  How are they going to fit it in at I-290 / I-294 / I-88? Will the railroads give them a hard time like with the EOE?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on August 24, 2017, 12:41:08 PM
Looks like the Central Tri-State widening is a go

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-tollway-board-294-widening-0427-20170427-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-tollway-board-294-widening-0427-20170427-story.html)


Just moved to NWI and am commuting daily to Oak Brook.  Good to hear that they are going to widen the Tri-State.  Not looking forward to the construction though.

Ok So full 5 lanes + FLEX all the way?? Even at the ORT points?  What about at Ogden? It will need C/D lanes (if there is room) or get rid of the clover leaf.
The oases have to go (no room). What are the I-294 / I-55 plans?  How are they going to fit it in at I-290 / I-294 / I-88? Will the railroads give them a hard time like with the EOE?

All the interchanges are getting redone, Oasis are going bye-bye with similar set up for Des Plaines Oasis.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on August 24, 2017, 01:33:09 PM
Looks like the Central Tri-State widening is a go

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-tollway-board-294-widening-0427-20170427-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-tollway-board-294-widening-0427-20170427-story.html)


Just moved to NWI and am commuting daily to Oak Brook.  Good to hear that they are going to widen the Tri-State.  Not looking forward to the construction though.

Ok So full 5 lanes + FLEX all the way?? Even at the ORT points?  What about at Ogden? It will need C/D lanes (if there is room) or get rid of the clover leaf.
The oases have to go (no room). What are the I-294 / I-55 plans?  How are they going to fit it in at I-290 / I-294 / I-88? Will the railroads give them a hard time like with the EOE?

All the interchanges are getting redone, Oasis are going bye-bye with similar set up for Des Plaines Oasis.
fully gone like how the Des Plaines Oasis will or just GAS like it is now.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: inkyatari on August 24, 2017, 01:58:54 PM
They spent all that money upgrading all the oasises, and now they're going to get rid of them.  Ugh
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tdindy88 on August 24, 2017, 08:08:53 PM
One curious question here for those familiar with the tollways. I plan on visiting Chicago over Labor Day weekend and wanted to see the new I-90 as well as travel along I-355 since I've never been on that highway. I thought about getting an I-PASS but at this point I'm not really interested in it for just one trip. While I'll likely just go through the cash lanes along the toll barriers on those two highways I wondered about something else. Can I just go through the open toll barriers and pay online later? Like later that same day. Is that possible or not really allowed?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on August 24, 2017, 08:23:43 PM
One curious question here for those familiar with the tollways. I plan on visiting Chicago over Labor Day weekend and wanted to see the new I-90 as well as travel along I-355 since I've never been on that highway. I thought about getting an I-PASS but at this point I'm not really interested in it for just one trip. While I'll likely just go through the cash lanes along the toll barriers on those two highways I wondered about something else. Can I just go through the open toll barriers and pay online later? Like later that same day. Is that possible or not really allowed?
I think you can do that but it's not really allowed.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on August 24, 2017, 08:27:42 PM
One curious question here for those familiar with the tollways. I plan on visiting Chicago over Labor Day weekend and wanted to see the new I-90 as well as travel along I-355 since I've never been on that highway. I thought about getting an I-PASS but at this point I'm not really interested in it for just one trip. While I'll likely just go through the cash lanes along the toll barriers on those two highways I wondered about something else. Can I just go through the open toll barriers and pay online later? Like later that same day. Is that possible or not really allowed?
I thought it was absolutely allowed - don't they sign it "7 Days to Pay"?

Also, you can go thru the ORT lanes up to your final booth, go thru the cash lanes there, and pay the full tolls there -- just keep track of what booths and what tolls are owed - I would get a receipt if going this route (pun heavily intended)

ISTHA used to have instructions about doing such on their website -- not sure if they still do

OR just get an I-Pass. It is EZ Pass compatible, has no monthly fee, $10 refundable deposit, lower priced tolls, works on IN EZ Pass facilities  (IN Toll Road, and the new Louisville Ohio River Bridges)...

Stop at a Jewel store as you approach the metro area, and pick up an I-Pass (unless that partnership ended?)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on August 24, 2017, 09:41:54 PM
Stop at a Jewel store as you approach the metro area, and pick up an I-Pass (unless that partnership ended?)

IIRC you still have to activate the transponder after buying it at Jewel, and allow a day, maybe more for the activation.

Given what all the signs say about 'seven days to pay', I think you would be fine if you went through all the ORT lanes and paid online a day or two later as long as you remember every single plaza you went through.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on August 24, 2017, 09:54:50 PM
I thought it was only like a 30 min wait on Jewel (or Road Ranger) I-Pass purchases/activations...Could be wrong
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on August 25, 2017, 03:53:36 PM
Looks like the Central Tri-State widening is a go

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-tollway-board-294-widening-0427-20170427-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-tollway-board-294-widening-0427-20170427-story.html)


Just moved to NWI and am commuting daily to Oak Brook.  Good to hear that they are going to widen the Tri-State.  Not looking forward to the construction though.

Ok So full 5 lanes + FLEX all the way?? Even at the ORT points?  What about at Ogden? It will need C/D lanes (if there is room) or get rid of the clover leaf.
The oases have to go (no room). What are the I-294 / I-55 plans?  How are they going to fit it in at I-290 / I-294 / I-88? Will the railroads give them a hard time like with the EOE?

All the interchanges are getting redone, Oasis are going bye-bye with similar set up for Des Plaines Oasis.
fully gone like how the Des Plaines Oasis will or just GAS like it is now.

Just gas and 7-11
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on August 25, 2017, 07:21:47 PM
Looks like the Central Tri-State widening is a go

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-tollway-board-294-widening-0427-20170427-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-tollway-board-294-widening-0427-20170427-story.html)


Just moved to NWI and am commuting daily to Oak Brook.  Good to hear that they are going to widen the Tri-State.  Not looking forward to the construction though.

Ok So full 5 lanes + FLEX all the way?? Even at the ORT points?  What about at Ogden? It will need C/D lanes (if there is room) or get rid of the clover leaf.
The oases have to go (no room). What are the I-294 / I-55 plans?  How are they going to fit it in at I-290 / I-294 / I-88? Will the railroads give them a hard time like with the EOE?

All the interchanges are getting redone, Oasis are going bye-bye with similar set up for Des Plaines Oasis.
fully gone like how the Des Plaines Oasis will or just GAS like it is now.

Just gas and 7-11

I think most of the Oasis's have outlived their usefulness anyway (with the exception of the Belvidere and DeKalb). The suburbs are full of food and fuel options and I'd rather have improved roads as opposed to keeping the Oasis for sentimental reasons.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on August 25, 2017, 07:32:36 PM
I think most of the Oasis's have outlived their usefulness anyway (with the exception of the Belvidere and DeKalb). The suburbs are full of food and fuel options and I'd rather have improved roads as opposed to keeping the Oasis for sentimental reasons.
One could almost say even Belvidere and DeKalb have -- There are services available along I-90 at regular exits in Belvidere and Hampshire, and along I-88 in Rochelle, DeKalb, and Sugar Grove

That being said, I like the Oases -- and I'll miss eating or using the facilities, overhead of 8-10 lanes of Traffic!

I don't think the Lincoln/Southland Oasis is going anywhere for a while, anyway
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on August 25, 2017, 08:33:40 PM
I think most of the Oasis's have outlived their usefulness anyway (with the exception of the Belvidere and DeKalb). The suburbs are full of food and fuel options and I'd rather have improved roads as opposed to keeping the Oasis for sentimental reasons.

There may be plenty of food and fuel options off of the tollways, but there's no logo signs to confirm the presence of such options at an interchange, and since the tollway charges for either entering or exiting at most interchanges (and now charges to both enter and exit at some), it becomes an issue to get off and search for services.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on August 25, 2017, 09:27:22 PM
The "No Logo Signs" is a bit of a chicken and egg problem -- Pretty sure the reason there are no Logo signs for Food and Fuel is because of the Oases...

The Hampshire/Marengo/US 20 exit on I-90 is a free exit, and it is a pretty standard Truck Stop and Fast Food type stop, plenty of options.

IL 47 exit is a free exit on I-88, as is I-39/US 51 and IL 251. IL 47 is a bit of a tough one for thru traffic, due to a couple miles between the West facing Exit/Entrance (actually on IL 47, due North of Sugar Grove) and the East facing Exit/Entrance (Northeast of Sugar Grove, also is the "Old" Tollway ending, and the stub end of IL 56 leading to the US 30/IL 47 junction in downtown Sugar Grove). IL 251 has at least one Gas Station, right off the exit

I bet DeKalb would beg to have the toll lifted at Annie Glidden Road, if they could develop Annie Glidden to be a Truck/Services Stop, which they don't have a market to do as long as the Oasis is there AND having the Annie Glidden Exit tolled

The Dixon exit on I-88 is free -- used to be tolled in one direction, but not anymore. That exit is pretty much a typical Interstate-type Food and Fuel/Services Stop, and distance-wise, is about the distance a 2nd Oasis on I-88 could/should have been from DeKalb

ISTHA and the towns that the Tollways flow thru, even the rural parts of I-90 and I-88, would adapt and provide the motorist services that the Belvidere and DeKalb Oases do today
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tdindy88 on August 25, 2017, 09:30:11 PM
Having driven the Tri-State Tollway both ways one time I was curious about the two oases that to me were rather close to each other, the two mentioned in this upcoming project. I wonder if it would be possible to rebuild just one of them but as a full-size Oasis with the proper clearance for expanded highway and have the other one as a gas station option like Des Plaines is now? Maybe set up the construction so one remains open at all times.

As for the other Oases, they should stay in my opinion, it's especially nice to have one on the southern end and one up north toward Wisconsin, plus the two they have on I-90 and I-88.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on August 25, 2017, 09:58:37 PM
I think about the only way you could keep an Oasis on the Central Tri-State, after the rebuild/widen, would be to place it at one of the existing Toll Booth sites (plenty of ROW -- especially a "both ways" toll gate like Cermak), and then go All-Electronic Tolling with gantries at other locations

I think both the Hinsdale and O'Hare Oases are done, with this project. Just not gonna be room

Come on, the O'Hare Oasis is really there, for Visitors to buy gas on the way back to return the Rental Car at the Airport, right? :P

Probably why Gas Stations remain from what is left of the Des Plaines Oasis, as it serves the same purpose on I-90
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on August 28, 2017, 11:02:14 AM
EOE event oct 28

https://www.illinoistollway.com/390event
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on August 28, 2017, 04:50:31 PM
I think about the only way you could keep an Oasis on the Central Tri-State, after the rebuild/widen, would be to place it at one of the existing Toll Booth sites (plenty of ROW -- especially a "both ways" toll gate like Cermak), and then go All-Electronic Tolling with gantries at other locations

I think both the Hinsdale and O'Hare Oases are done, with this project. Just not gonna be room

Come on, the O'Hare Oasis is really there, for Visitors to buy gas on the way back to return the Rental Car at the Airport, right? :P

Probably why Gas Stations remain from what is left of the Des Plaines Oasis, as it serves the same purpose on I-90

Out of the two if you were going to keep one, I'd keep the Hinsdale one for a $$$ sake. Technically you do get I-55 traffic as well since there is enough room to merge over from the right lane of the ramp. But space is at a premium so likely they will be demolished
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on August 28, 2017, 05:34:22 PM
Keep the 7-elevens and ditch the oasii/oasises?

I thought they were getting rid of the 7-eleven on 90 once 490 gets built?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on August 28, 2017, 07:41:34 PM
I think about the only way you could keep an Oasis on the Central Tri-State, after the rebuild/widen, would be to place it at one of the existing Toll Booth sites (plenty of ROW -- especially a "both ways" toll gate like Cermak), and then go All-Electronic Tolling with gantries at other locations

I think both the Hinsdale and O'Hare Oases are done, with this project. Just not gonna be room

Come on, the O'Hare Oasis is really there, for Visitors to buy gas on the way back to return the Rental Car at the Airport, right? :P

Probably why Gas Stations remain from what is left of the Des Plaines Oasis, as it serves the same purpose on I-90

Out of the two if you were going to keep one, I'd keep the Hinsdale one for a $$$ sake. Technically you do get I-55 traffic as well since there is enough room to merge over from the right lane of the ramp. But space is at a premium so likely they will be demolished

Or, consolidate them both at the current site of the Cermak Toll Plaza?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on August 28, 2017, 07:42:04 PM
Keep the 7-elevens and ditch the oasii/oasises?

I thought they were getting rid of the 7-eleven on 90 once 490 gets built?

They are getting rid of them.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on August 28, 2017, 08:57:43 PM
I think about the only way you could keep an Oasis on the Central Tri-State, after the rebuild/widen, would be to place it at one of the existing Toll Booth sites (plenty of ROW -- especially a "both ways" toll gate like Cermak), and then go All-Electronic Tolling with gantries at other locations

I think both the Hinsdale and O'Hare Oases are done, with this project. Just not gonna be room

Come on, the O'Hare Oasis is really there, for Visitors to buy gas on the way back to return the Rental Car at the Airport, right? :P

Probably why Gas Stations remain from what is left of the Des Plaines Oasis, as it serves the same purpose on I-90

Out of the two if you were going to keep one, I'd keep the Hinsdale one for a $$$ sake. Technically you do get I-55 traffic as well since there is enough room to merge over from the right lane of the ramp. But space is at a premium so likely they will be demolished

Or, consolidate them both at the current site of the Cermak Toll Plaza?

Is there an long term view to moving the full tollway system to some ETC only system with an mix of the EOE and ETR 407 set ups?

As why are IL-59 and beverly east on ramps still free but the old free east ramps at barrington road and roselle rd are now tolled. They should toll  IL-59 and Beverly and make the I-290 /IL-53 exit free.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on August 28, 2017, 09:59:53 PM
I think about the only way you could keep an Oasis on the Central Tri-State, after the rebuild/widen, would be to place it at one of the existing Toll Booth sites (plenty of ROW -- especially a "both ways" toll gate like Cermak), and then go All-Electronic Tolling with gantries at other locations

I think both the Hinsdale and O'Hare Oases are done, with this project. Just not gonna be room

Come on, the O'Hare Oasis is really there, for Visitors to buy gas on the way back to return the Rental Car at the Airport, right? :P

Probably why Gas Stations remain from what is left of the Des Plaines Oasis, as it serves the same purpose on I-90

Out of the two if you were going to keep one, I'd keep the Hinsdale one for a $$$ sake. Technically you do get I-55 traffic as well since there is enough room to merge over from the right lane of the ramp. But space is at a premium so likely they will be demolished

Or, consolidate them both at the current site of the Cermak Toll Plaza?

Is there an long term view to moving the full tollway system to some ETC only system with an mix of the EOE and ETR 407 set ups?

As why are IL-59 and beverly east on ramps still free but the old free east ramps at barrington road and roselle rd are now tolled. They should toll  IL-59 and Beverly and make the I-290 /IL-53 exit free.

IDOT reconstructed IL-59 and beverly back in the 90's. ITHSA didn't even touch the two roads during the re-construction.

ITHSA split the cost with IDOT and cook county to help fund the new interchange. I imagine ITHSA put tolls on the east ramps at barrington and roselle to help fund the costs of their share.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on August 29, 2017, 12:03:51 AM
I think about the only way you could keep an Oasis on the Central Tri-State, after the rebuild/widen, would be to place it at one of the existing Toll Booth sites (plenty of ROW -- especially a "both ways" toll gate like Cermak), and then go All-Electronic Tolling with gantries at other locations

I think both the Hinsdale and O'Hare Oases are done, with this project. Just not gonna be room

Come on, the O'Hare Oasis is really there, for Visitors to buy gas on the way back to return the Rental Car at the Airport, right? :P

Probably why Gas Stations remain from what is left of the Des Plaines Oasis, as it serves the same purpose on I-90

Out of the two if you were going to keep one, I'd keep the Hinsdale one for a $$$ sake. Technically you do get I-55 traffic as well since there is enough room to merge over from the right lane of the ramp. But space is at a premium so likely they will be demolished

Or, consolidate them both at the current site of the Cermak Toll Plaza?

Is there an long term view to moving the full tollway system to some ETC only system with an mix of the EOE and ETR 407 set ups?

As why are IL-59 and beverly east on ramps still free but the old free east ramps at barrington road and roselle rd are now tolled. They should toll  IL-59 and Beverly and make the I-290 /IL-53 exit free.

IDOT reconstructed IL-59 and beverly back in the 90's. ITHSA didn't even touch the two roads during the re-construction.

ITHSA split the cost with IDOT and cook county to help fund the new interchange. I imagine ITHSA put tolls on the east ramps at barrington and roselle to help fund the costs of their share.

If they where to toll the ramps then it can be fair both ways and they can detoll the I-290/IL-53 ramps.

Befor the de tolling the on ramp from I-290/Il-53 alot of exits where free. To exit barrington road, roselle,IL-59 and beverly was free
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on August 29, 2017, 12:41:13 AM
From a "fairness" standpoint, the ISTHA could/should go All Electronic, and do, essentially, Ticket-based/Mileage-based tolling, based on Entrance and Exit on the System.

Get rid of Mainline gantries, except on Endpoints, and have gantries at all entrance/exit points

Growing up in Northern Will/Southern DuPage counties, it was always weird to me that the toll you pay on I-355 has little to do with distance traveled, but simply what exit and entrance combination. Going from 75th St to 63rd St? 75 cents. Going from 75th St to Rt 59 on I-88? Still 75 cents. Going from 75th St to Butterfield/Rt 56? $1.20

I-Pass/EZ Pass makes it doable to do a true Distance-based system, more similar to the old fashioned "Ticket" systems you have going East in IN, OH, PA, NJ, NY, etc. And ISTHA already does Tolling by Plate, and has their website set up to allow Users without I-Pass/EZ Pass to pay online before getting a violation notice, too. Wouldn't be that much more a jump to go All Electronic
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on August 29, 2017, 12:48:10 AM
I think about the only way you could keep an Oasis on the Central Tri-State, after the rebuild/widen, would be to place it at one of the existing Toll Booth sites (plenty of ROW -- especially a "both ways" toll gate like Cermak), and then go All-Electronic Tolling with gantries at other locations

I think both the Hinsdale and O'Hare Oases are done, with this project. Just not gonna be room

Come on, the O'Hare Oasis is really there, for Visitors to buy gas on the way back to return the Rental Car at the Airport, right? :P

Probably why Gas Stations remain from what is left of the Des Plaines Oasis, as it serves the same purpose on I-90

Out of the two if you were going to keep one, I'd keep the Hinsdale one for a $$$ sake. Technically you do get I-55 traffic as well since there is enough room to merge over from the right lane of the ramp. But space is at a premium so likely they will be demolished

Or, consolidate them both at the current site of the Cermak Toll Plaza?

Is there an long term view to moving the full tollway system to some ETC only system with an mix of the EOE and ETR 407 set ups?

As why are IL-59 and beverly east on ramps still free but the old free east ramps at barrington road and roselle rd are now tolled. They should toll  IL-59 and Beverly and make the I-290 /IL-53 exit free.

IDOT reconstructed IL-59 and beverly back in the 90's. ITHSA didn't even touch the two roads during the re-construction.

ITHSA split the cost with IDOT and cook county to help fund the new interchange. I imagine ITHSA put tolls on the east ramps at barrington and roselle to help fund the costs of their share.

If they where to toll the ramps then it can be fair both ways and they can detoll the I-290/IL-53 ramps.

Befor the de tolling the on ramp from I-290/Il-53 alot of exits where free. To exit barrington road, roselle,IL-59 and beverly was free

Not sure how many people get on from IL-59, or even Barrington or Roselle just to get off I-290/IL-53. I imagine most of those guys at heading to either the Kennedy or the Tri-state at that point.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on August 29, 2017, 02:49:51 PM
From a "fairness" standpoint, the ISTHA could/should go All Electronic, and do, essentially, Ticket-based/Mileage-based tolling, based on Entrance and Exit on the System.

Get rid of Mainline gantries, except on Endpoints, and have gantries at all entrance/exit points

Growing up in Northern Will/Southern DuPage counties, it was always weird to me that the toll you pay on I-355 has little to do with distance traveled, but simply what exit and entrance combination. Going from 75th St to 63rd St? 75 cents. Going from 75th St to Rt 59 on I-88? Still 75 cents. Going from 75th St to Butterfield/Rt 56? $1.20

I-Pass/EZ Pass makes it doable to do a true Distance-based system, more similar to the old fashioned "Ticket" systems you have going East in IN, OH, PA, NJ, NY, etc. And ISTHA already does Tolling by Plate, and has their website set up to allow Users without I-Pass/EZ Pass to pay online before getting a violation notice, too. Wouldn't be that much more a jump to go All Electronic
well an Mix of EOE toll points and ramp points can work. Even in a ticket system
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on August 29, 2017, 07:59:24 PM
From a "fairness" standpoint, the ISTHA could/should go All Electronic, and do, essentially, Ticket-based/Mileage-based tolling, based on Entrance and Exit on the System.

Get rid of Mainline gantries, except on Endpoints, and have gantries at all entrance/exit points

Growing up in Northern Will/Southern DuPage counties, it was always weird to me that the toll you pay on I-355 has little to do with distance traveled, but simply what exit and entrance combination. Going from 75th St to 63rd St? 75 cents. Going from 75th St to Rt 59 on I-88? Still 75 cents. Going from 75th St to Butterfield/Rt 56? $1.20

I-Pass/EZ Pass makes it doable to do a true Distance-based system, more similar to the old fashioned "Ticket" systems you have going East in IN, OH, PA, NJ, NY, etc. And ISTHA already does Tolling by Plate, and has their website set up to allow Users without I-Pass/EZ Pass to pay online before getting a violation notice, too. Wouldn't be that much more a jump to go All Electronic

^^^^^^This

I wish I could like this 1,000,000 times. This is exactly how the Illinois Tollway needs to do things in the future. And I bet they will at some point. It would make things so much more efficient. No more mainline barriers.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on August 29, 2017, 09:35:40 PM
From a "fairness" standpoint, the ISTHA could/should go All Electronic, and do, essentially, Ticket-based/Mileage-based tolling, based on Entrance and Exit on the System.

Get rid of Mainline gantries, except on Endpoints, and have gantries at all entrance/exit points

Growing up in Northern Will/Southern DuPage counties, it was always weird to me that the toll you pay on I-355 has little to do with distance traveled, but simply what exit and entrance combination. Going from 75th St to 63rd St? 75 cents. Going from 75th St to Rt 59 on I-88? Still 75 cents. Going from 75th St to Butterfield/Rt 56? $1.20

I-Pass/EZ Pass makes it doable to do a true Distance-based system, more similar to the old fashioned "Ticket" systems you have going East in IN, OH, PA, NJ, NY, etc. And ISTHA already does Tolling by Plate, and has their website set up to allow Users without I-Pass/EZ Pass to pay online before getting a violation notice, too. Wouldn't be that much more a jump to go All Electronic

^^^^^^This

I wish I could like this 1,000,000 times. This is exactly how the Illinois Tollway needs to do things in the future. And I bet they will at some point. It would make things so much more efficient. No more mainline barriers.

WHEN they do so... the first barrier that needs to be converted is the I-90 River Road Plaza, followed shortly by the I-294 Irving Park Plaza!
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on August 29, 2017, 09:46:33 PM
WHEN they do so... the first barrier that needs to be converted is the I-90 River Road Plaza, followed shortly by the I-294 Irving Park Plaza!
To be fair, River Road would still have to be a Toll Point -- but if All Electronic Tolling (aka AET) there would no longer be a Booth -- just a Gantry/Monotube, or basically ORT for all Thru lanes, in this case, for all traffic continuing onto the Kennedy. But due to it being East Point of the Jane Addams Tollway (for Inbound Traffic), it would necessitate the East Point Gantry

I have a lot of not fond memories of sitting waiting in traffic at 163rd St Plaza on the South Tri-State, for family road trips, especially around Holidays...of course 163rd St would have to become South Point, or you could even move "South Point" and use the Lincoln/Southland Oasis as your Gantry for the South End of the Tri-State...
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on August 30, 2017, 12:05:22 AM
WHEN they do so... the first barrier that needs to be converted is the I-90 River Road Plaza, followed shortly by the I-294 Irving Park Plaza!
To be fair, River Road would still have to be a Toll Point -- but if All Electronic Tolling (aka AET) there would no longer be a Booth -- just a Gantry/Monotube, or basically ORT for all Thru lanes, in this case, for all traffic continuing onto the Kennedy. But due to it being East Point of the Jane Addams Tollway (for Inbound Traffic), it would necessitate the East Point Gantry

I have a lot of not fond memories of sitting waiting in traffic at 163rd St Plaza on the South Tri-State, for family road trips, especially around Holidays...of course 163rd St would have to become South Point, or you could even move "South Point" and use the Lincoln/Southland Oasis as your Gantry for the South End of the Tri-State...
Irving Park Plaza will be needed unless the exits to I-290 will be tolled. But they need to keep Irving Park Plaza / Devon avenue toll same price as I-490 for I-294 to/from I-90.

I-490 being OTA only will be the start of the end.

Now they can have an mixed system where cash pays fixed rates.
ETC get's ERT 407 / virtual ticketing there are few points when pay this toll and then exit X is lower then just X on it's own or even after main toll point Y the next 1-X exits have an varying refund ETC only.  There are ETC systems like that (mainly built out before ETC).

The EOE was added to an free road and local exits on the new toll part may be some what based on an pre TOLL plan or just they did not want one road to be mixed ERT 407 / other part tolling point. And the needed to keep a few free exits at I-290.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on August 31, 2017, 12:18:35 AM
WHEN they do so... the first barrier that needs to be converted is the I-90 River Road Plaza, followed shortly by the I-294 Irving Park Plaza!
To be fair, River Road would still have to be a Toll Point -- but if All Electronic Tolling (aka AET) there would no longer be a Booth -- just a Gantry/Monotube, or basically ORT for all Thru lanes, in this case, for all traffic continuing onto the Kennedy. But due to it being East Point of the Jane Addams Tollway (for Inbound Traffic), it would necessitate the East Point Gantry

I have a lot of not fond memories of sitting waiting in traffic at 163rd St Plaza on the South Tri-State, for family road trips, especially around Holidays...of course 163rd St would have to become South Point, or you could even move "South Point" and use the Lincoln/Southland Oasis as your Gantry for the South End of the Tri-State...
Irving Park Plaza will be needed unless the exits to I-290 will be tolled. But they need to keep Irving Park Plaza / Devon avenue toll same price as I-490 for I-294 to/from I-90.

I-490 being OTA only will be the start of the end.

Now they can have an mixed system where cash pays fixed rates.
ETC get's ERT 407 / virtual ticketing there are few points when pay this toll and then exit X is lower then just X on it's own or even after main toll point Y the next 1-X exits have an varying refund ETC only.  There are ETC systems like that (mainly built out before ETC).

The EOE was added to an free road and local exits on the new toll part may be some what based on an pre TOLL plan or just they did not want one road to be mixed ERT 407 / other part tolling point. And the needed to keep a few free exits at I-290.

Agreed that Irving Park and River Road Plazas will be needed either way, I just say they should be the first two candidates for complete ORT conversion (i.e. get rid of the cash lanes). Not having the added merge at both points would open traffic to be so much smoother.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on September 05, 2017, 08:37:17 AM
The white LED lighting has begun to invade parts of 294, mainly from 95th street southward. Some orange lights are intermixed every so often
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tdindy88 on September 05, 2017, 04:25:44 PM
I just got back from the Chicago area which involved seeing I-90 from the Kennedy up to US 20 and back to I-290 as well as a clinch of I-355. While I was prepared for all six mainline barriers that I came across (I went ahead and just paid cash at each booth) I was not prepared for the toll to get from EB I-90 to SB I-290 since I recall going through a barrier a while back ago. Luckily I had enough for the 60 cents to pay in change. Granted this is much better than what I went through this morning on the Indiana Toll Road going back to I-65. I'm pretty sure I went up to broken machine which didn't even tell me what I was owed. But thanks to the light traffic I was able to back up and go to the next lane which had a working automated machine to pay. For all the recent talk about Indiana being a better state than Illinois this is one department you clearly have us beat in.

I-90 is an impressive highway for its stretch, I was surprised to see FHWA font being used on part of the highway whereas I'm sure I've seen Clearview used at least 95% along the rest of the tollways I've been on. I'm assuming it's because of the decision regarding the use of that font in the previous years.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on September 05, 2017, 08:04:03 PM
Starting on January 1, 2018, the Illinois Tollway will crack down on people who has one transponder for multiple vehicles...

Article:
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170904/no-transponder-i-pass-users-could-see-tolls-double-in-2018-if-they-buck-the-system
http://abc7chicago.com/traffic/illinois-tollway-ending-discounts-for-registered-i-pass-users-without-transponders/2374959/
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on September 05, 2017, 08:21:55 PM
Starting on January 1, 2018, the Illinois Tollway will crack down on people who has one transponder for multiple vehicles...

Article:
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170904/no-transponder-i-pass-users-could-see-tolls-double-in-2018-if-they-buck-the-system
http://abc7chicago.com/traffic/illinois-tollway-ending-discounts-for-registered-i-pass-users-without-transponders/2374959/
So how will ISTHA handle misreads?

Will all Toll By Plate transactions be billed at the Cash rate, even if the I-Pass is in place properly and in the vehicle?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on September 20, 2017, 09:57:33 PM
Full interchange coming soon to I-88 at IL 47... Similar project to I-90 at IL 47 but opposite... can't wait!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Article:
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170920/full-interchange-at-route-47-and-i-88-moves-ahead
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on September 21, 2017, 08:25:24 AM
Full interchange coming soon to I-88 at IL 47... Similar project to I-90 at IL 47 but opposite... can't wait!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Article:
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170920/full-interchange-at-route-47-and-i-88-moves-ahead

Sweet!
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on September 21, 2017, 09:25:17 AM
Full interchange coming soon to I-88 at IL 47... Similar project to I-90 at IL 47 but opposite... can't wait!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Article:
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170920/full-interchange-at-route-47-and-i-88-moves-ahead

Should be just a simple diamond there.  IIRC, ISTHA already owns the land for it.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Rick Powell on September 21, 2017, 11:38:07 AM
Full interchange coming soon to I-88 at IL 47... Similar project to I-90 at IL 47 but opposite... can't wait!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Article:
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170920/full-interchange-at-route-47-and-i-88-moves-ahead

Should be just a simple diamond there.  IIRC, ISTHA already owns the land for it.

Preferred Alternative has a N to W loop, otherwise it is a conventional diamond. http://www.sugargroveinterchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/CAG-5-Preferred-Alternative-Exhibit.pdf
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on September 24, 2017, 03:43:57 PM
Full interchange coming soon to I-88 at IL 47... Similar project to I-90 at IL 47 but opposite... can't wait!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Article:
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170920/full-interchange-at-route-47-and-i-88-moves-ahead

Should be just a simple diamond there.  IIRC, ISTHA already owns the land for it.

Preferred Alternative has a N to W loop, otherwise it is a conventional diamond. http://www.sugargroveinterchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/CAG-5-Preferred-Alternative-Exhibit.pdf

I wonder if this might lead to eventual widening of I-88 out to IL-47. With that, I wonder if there ever might be an additional interchange built between DeKalb and Sugar Grove. Western Kane County/Eastern DeKalb County could very well benefit from one. I know something like this would be years out, but it just seems silly to have such a long distance between interchanges while still technically on the edge of the collar counties.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on September 24, 2017, 05:47:38 PM
Full interchange coming soon to I-88 at IL 47... Similar project to I-90 at IL 47 but opposite... can't wait!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Article:
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170920/full-interchange-at-route-47-and-i-88-moves-ahead

Should be just a simple diamond there.  IIRC, ISTHA already owns the land for it.

Preferred Alternative has a N to W loop, otherwise it is a conventional diamond. http://www.sugargroveinterchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/CAG-5-Preferred-Alternative-Exhibit.pdf

I wonder if this might lead to eventual widening of I-88 out to IL-47. With that, I wonder if there ever might be an additional interchange built between DeKalb and Sugar Grove. Western Kane County/Eastern DeKalb County could very well benefit from one. I know something like this would be years out, but it just seems silly to have such a long distance between interchanges while still technically on the edge of the collar counties.

Out of the cross bridges: Dauberman, County Line, or Keslinger could be the main candidates
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on September 24, 2017, 08:58:20 PM
Full interchange coming soon to I-88 at IL 47... Similar project to I-90 at IL 47 but opposite... can't wait!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Article:
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170920/full-interchange-at-route-47-and-i-88-moves-ahead

Should be just a simple diamond there.  IIRC, ISTHA already owns the land for it.

Preferred Alternative has a N to W loop, otherwise it is a conventional diamond. http://www.sugargroveinterchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/CAG-5-Preferred-Alternative-Exhibit.pdf

I wonder if this might lead to eventual widening of I-88 out to IL-47. With that, I wonder if there ever might be an additional interchange built between DeKalb and Sugar Grove. Western Kane County/Eastern DeKalb County could very well benefit from one. I know something like this would be years out, but it just seems silly to have such a long distance between interchanges while still technically on the edge of the collar counties.

Out of the cross bridges: Dauberman, County Line, or Keslinger could be the main candidates

I was kind of thinking County Line myself, maybe the most feasible as both Kane and DeKalb County would be able to contribute to its costs along with the Tollway. Obviously, this would be years out either way, but just food for thought.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on September 25, 2017, 10:19:04 PM
Full interchange coming soon to I-88 at IL 47... Similar project to I-90 at IL 47 but opposite... can't wait!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Article:
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170920/full-interchange-at-route-47-and-i-88-moves-ahead

Should be just a simple diamond there.  IIRC, ISTHA already owns the land for it.

Preferred Alternative has a N to W loop, otherwise it is a conventional diamond. http://www.sugargroveinterchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/CAG-5-Preferred-Alternative-Exhibit.pdf

I wonder if this might lead to eventual widening of I-88 out to IL-47. With that, I wonder if there ever might be an additional interchange built between DeKalb and Sugar Grove. Western Kane County/Eastern DeKalb County could very well benefit from one. I know something like this would be years out, but it just seems silly to have such a long distance between interchanges while still technically on the edge of the collar counties.

I believe it was (maybe still is?) in Kane DOT's 2040 plans to widen I-88 to six lanes from the IL-56 split off to IL-47. Of course, that is under the tollway jurisdiction and so they have no say in whether that happens (for the record, the same plan, or more like a wish list, had I-90 being widened to eight lanes from Randall to the western county line).

If there was ever a new interchange, it would be at Bliss Road likely.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on September 25, 2017, 10:25:27 PM
Full interchange coming soon to I-88 at IL 47... Similar project to I-90 at IL 47 but opposite... can't wait!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Article:
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170920/full-interchange-at-route-47-and-i-88-moves-ahead

Should be just a simple diamond there.  IIRC, ISTHA already owns the land for it.

Preferred Alternative has a N to W loop, otherwise it is a conventional diamond. http://www.sugargroveinterchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/CAG-5-Preferred-Alternative-Exhibit.pdf

I wonder if this might lead to eventual widening of I-88 out to IL-47. With that, I wonder if there ever might be an additional interchange built between DeKalb and Sugar Grove. Western Kane County/Eastern DeKalb County could very well benefit from one. I know something like this would be years out, but it just seems silly to have such a long distance between interchanges while still technically on the edge of the collar counties.

I believe it was (maybe still is?) in Kane DOT's 2040 plans to widen I-88 to six lanes from the IL-56 split off to IL-47. Of course, that is under the tollway jurisdiction and so they have no say in whether that happens (for the record, the same plan, or more like a wish list, had I-90 being widened to eight lanes from Randall to the western county line).

If there was ever a new interchange, it would be at Bliss Road likely.

the bridges on 90 were designed up to 4 lanes, no?

Don't see it happening now as traffic count doesn't justify it, but maybe in the next 10 years or so.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on September 25, 2017, 10:29:32 PM
Full interchange coming soon to I-88 at IL 47... Similar project to I-90 at IL 47 but opposite... can't wait!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Article:
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170920/full-interchange-at-route-47-and-i-88-moves-ahead

Should be just a simple diamond there.  IIRC, ISTHA already owns the land for it.

Preferred Alternative has a N to W loop, otherwise it is a conventional diamond. http://www.sugargroveinterchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/CAG-5-Preferred-Alternative-Exhibit.pdf

I wonder if this might lead to eventual widening of I-88 out to IL-47. With that, I wonder if there ever might be an additional interchange built between DeKalb and Sugar Grove. Western Kane County/Eastern DeKalb County could very well benefit from one. I know something like this would be years out, but it just seems silly to have such a long distance between interchanges while still technically on the edge of the collar counties.

I believe it was (maybe still is?) in Kane DOT's 2040 plans to widen I-88 to six lanes from the IL-56 split off to IL-47. Of course, that is under the tollway jurisdiction and so they have no say in whether that happens (for the record, the same plan, or more like a wish list, had I-90 being widened to eight lanes from Randall to the western county line).

If there was ever a new interchange, it would be at Bliss Road likely.

the bridges on 90 were designed up to 4 lanes, no?

Don't see it happening now as traffic count doesn't justify it, but maybe in the next 10 years or so.

Nah, I-90 won't need more capacity west of IL-47 for a long time, if ever. I could see the four lanes in each direction someday being extended to IL-47, but that would be it. I'm sure when they reconstruct the Randall Road bridge/interchange (they will have to do this at some point soon), it will be lengthened to accommodate a fourth lane in each direction.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on September 26, 2017, 05:25:11 PM
the bridges on 90 were designed up to 4 lanes, no?

Most of the overpasses appear capable of handling four lanes except for IL 47 (which could do so with narrowed shoulders).  The bridges on I-90 would require narrowing at least the inner shoulder to fit in a fourth lane.

Don't see it happening now as traffic count doesn't justify it, but maybe in the next 10 years or so.

Maybe around 10 to 15 years out once any adjustments due to the IL 23 interchange play out and if the economy stays decent.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on September 26, 2017, 07:20:04 PM
Full interchange coming soon to I-88 at IL 47... Similar project to I-90 at IL 47 but opposite... can't wait!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Article:
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170920/full-interchange-at-route-47-and-i-88-moves-ahead

Should be just a simple diamond there.  IIRC, ISTHA already owns the land for it.

Preferred Alternative has a N to W loop, otherwise it is a conventional diamond. http://www.sugargroveinterchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/CAG-5-Preferred-Alternative-Exhibit.pdf

I wonder if this might lead to eventual widening of I-88 out to IL-47. With that, I wonder if there ever might be an additional interchange built between DeKalb and Sugar Grove. Western Kane County/Eastern DeKalb County could very well benefit from one. I know something like this would be years out, but it just seems silly to have such a long distance between interchanges while still technically on the edge of the collar counties.

I believe it was (maybe still is?) in Kane DOT's 2040 plans to widen I-88 to six lanes from the IL-56 split off to IL-47. Of course, that is under the tollway jurisdiction and so they have no say in whether that happens (for the record, the same plan, or more like a wish list, had I-90 being widened to eight lanes from Randall to the western county line).

If there was ever a new interchange, it would be at Bliss Road likely.

the bridges on 90 were designed up to 4 lanes, no?

Don't see it happening now as traffic count doesn't justify it, but maybe in the next 10 years or so.

Nah, I-90 won't need more capacity west of IL-47 for a long time, if ever. I could see the four lanes in each direction someday being extended to IL-47, but that would be it. I'm sure when they reconstruct the Randall Road bridge/interchange (they will have to do this at some point soon), it will be lengthened to accommodate a fourth lane in each direction.

the smart road look like the posts are in place to extend it to elgin
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on September 26, 2017, 09:03:17 PM
the bridges on 90 were designed up to 4 lanes, no?

Most of the overpasses appear capable of handling four lanes except for IL 47 (which could do so with narrowed shoulders).  The bridges on I-90 would require narrowing at least the inner shoulder to fit in a fourth lane.

Don't see it happening now as traffic count doesn't justify it, but maybe in the next 10 years or so.

Maybe around 10 to 15 years out once any adjustments due to the IL 23 interchange play out and if the economy stays decent.

I could see I-90 being expanded up to IL-47 in the next 5-10 years and maybe to IL-23 in the next 10-15 years depending on the growth in Hampshire, Burlington, and the like. Lots of new development happening in that area.

The smart road, I'm unsure of where it exactly ends west. I see some of the "future" poles here and there between barrington rd and 59, but I get off 59 everyday so unable to assess it westward.

With that said, it looks like in the next 5 years, the tollway's focus is just central I-294. However, I really wish the tollway would work on 4 laning I-88 after IL-59 to at least Farnsworth now that the bridge looks like it'll be finished by the end of the year.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on September 27, 2017, 12:14:15 AM
the bridges on 90 were designed up to 4 lanes, no?

Most of the overpasses appear capable of handling four lanes except for IL 47 (which could do so with narrowed shoulders).  The bridges on I-90 would require narrowing at least the inner shoulder to fit in a fourth lane.

Don't see it happening now as traffic count doesn't justify it, but maybe in the next 10 years or so.

Maybe around 10 to 15 years out once any adjustments due to the IL 23 interchange play out and if the economy stays decent.

I could see I-90 being expanded up to IL-47 in the next 5-10 years and maybe to IL-23 in the next 10-15 years depending on the growth in Hampshire, Burlington, and the like. Lots of new development happening in that area.

The smart road, I'm unsure of where it exactly ends west. I see some of the "future" poles here and there between barrington rd and 59, but I get off 59 everyday so unable to assess it westward.

With that said, it looks like in the next 5 years, the tollway's focus is just central I-294. However, I really wish the tollway would work on 4 laning I-88 after IL-59 to at least Farnsworth now that the bridge looks like it'll be finished by the end of the year.

Central I-294 is by far the Tollway's most pressing need as far as existing facilities go, so it makes sense that this would be their main focus. Let's also not forget The Edens Spur (I-94), which is in line for a rebuild. That said, don't count out them adding additional projects to the scope. I-90 was a big ticket item that is mostly wrapping up now, so I-88 could very well be next with the next segments being widened. I also wouldn't be surprised if they extended the eight lanes on I-90 to IL 47.

One thing that will be coming up sooner than later as a need will be I-355. The original section is almost 30 years old now and starting to show its age a bit. From a capacity standpoint, within the next decade, it very well could be in line for a major rehab/rebuild plus widening to eight lanes for the entire length between I-290 and I-55 (of course this would require IDOT to actually coordinate with the Tollway at the North end).
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on September 27, 2017, 04:04:59 PM
I just think that stretch of 355 along 88 is going to be the real problem. You've got the tunnel and the arboretum there.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on September 27, 2017, 05:24:44 PM
I just think that stretch of 355 along 88 is going to be the real problem. You've got the tunnel and the arboretum there.

It's a bigger issue southbound than northbound due to the merge from westbound I-88 there, just before the Arboretum retaining wall and the tunnel.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on September 27, 2017, 06:00:14 PM
the bridges on 90 were designed up to 4 lanes, no?

Most of the overpasses appear capable of handling four lanes except for IL 47 (which could do so with narrowed shoulders).  The bridges on I-90 would require narrowing at least the inner shoulder to fit in a fourth lane.

Don't see it happening now as traffic count doesn't justify it, but maybe in the next 10 years or so.

Maybe around 10 to 15 years out once any adjustments due to the IL 23 interchange play out and if the economy stays decent.

I could see I-90 being expanded up to IL-47 in the next 5-10 years and maybe to IL-23 in the next 10-15 years depending on the growth in Hampshire, Burlington, and the like. Lots of new development happening in that area.

The smart road, I'm unsure of where it exactly ends west. I see some of the "future" poles here and there between barrington rd and 59, but I get off 59 everyday so unable to assess it westward.

With that said, it looks like in the next 5 years, the tollway's focus is just central I-294. However, I really wish the tollway would work on 4 laning I-88 after IL-59 to at least Farnsworth now that the bridge looks like it'll be finished by the end of the year.

Central I-294 is by far the Tollway's most pressing need as far as existing facilities go, so it makes sense that this would be their main focus. Let's also not forget The Edens Spur (I-94), which is in line for a rebuild. That said, don't count out them adding additional projects to the scope. I-90 was a big ticket item that is mostly wrapping up now, so I-88 could very well be next with the next segments being widened. I also wouldn't be surprised if they extended the eight lanes on I-90 to IL 47.

One thing that will be coming up sooner than later as a need will be I-355. The original section is almost 30 years old now and starting to show its age a bit. From a capacity standpoint, within the next decade, it very well could be in line for a major rehab/rebuild plus widening to eight lanes for the entire length between I-290 and I-55 (of course this would require IDOT to actually coordinate with the Tollway at the North end).

maybe AUX lanes from I-88 to I-290 with some ramp work + more aux lanes in the free zone of I-355

Don't 4 lanes in the tunnel.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on September 27, 2017, 06:18:25 PM
the bridges on 90 were designed up to 4 lanes, no?

Most of the overpasses appear capable of handling four lanes except for IL 47 (which could do so with narrowed shoulders).  The bridges on I-90 would require narrowing at least the inner shoulder to fit in a fourth lane.

Don't see it happening now as traffic count doesn't justify it, but maybe in the next 10 years or so.

Maybe around 10 to 15 years out once any adjustments due to the IL 23 interchange play out and if the economy stays decent.

I could see I-90 being expanded up to IL-47 in the next 5-10 years and maybe to IL-23 in the next 10-15 years depending on the growth in Hampshire, Burlington, and the like. Lots of new development happening in that area.

The smart road, I'm unsure of where it exactly ends west. I see some of the "future" poles here and there between barrington rd and 59, but I get off 59 everyday so unable to assess it westward.

With that said, it looks like in the next 5 years, the tollway's focus is just central I-294. However, I really wish the tollway would work on 4 laning I-88 after IL-59 to at least Farnsworth now that the bridge looks like it'll be finished by the end of the year.

Central I-294 is by far the Tollway's most pressing need as far as existing facilities go, so it makes sense that this would be their main focus. Let's also not forget The Edens Spur (I-94), which is in line for a rebuild. That said, don't count out them adding additional projects to the scope. I-90 was a big ticket item that is mostly wrapping up now, so I-88 could very well be next with the next segments being widened. I also wouldn't be surprised if they extended the eight lanes on I-90 to IL 47.

One thing that will be coming up sooner than later as a need will be I-355. The original section is almost 30 years old now and starting to show its age a bit. From a capacity standpoint, within the next decade, it very well could be in line for a major rehab/rebuild plus widening to eight lanes for the entire length between I-290 and I-55 (of course this would require IDOT to actually coordinate with the Tollway at the North end).

maybe AUX lanes from I-88 to I-290 with some ramp work + more aux lanes in the free zone of I-355

Don't 4 lanes in the tunnel.

Sadly that stretch where the tunnel is, which would be the biggest challenge, is where extra lanes would come most in handy. That part would be a huge undertaking. I know it was a stretch getting the Arboretum to even allow I-355 where it is, so that'll be an obstacle for sure. The only other option I can think of is that they move the ramp from WB I-88 to SB I-355 to where it would merge after the tunnel and the eight lane section begins essentially, merge with the ramp from EB I-88).
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on September 27, 2017, 09:00:43 PM
I just think that stretch of 355 along 88 is going to be the real problem. You've got the tunnel and the arboretum there.

It's a bigger issue southbound than northbound due to the merge from westbound I-88 there, just before the Arboretum retaining wall and the tunnel.
Double Deck I-355 in the 355/88 side-by-side section, and then have one direction of 355 go over I-88 and the other using the current tunnel
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on September 27, 2017, 11:37:46 PM
the bridges on 90 were designed up to 4 lanes, no?

Most of the overpasses appear capable of handling four lanes except for IL 47 (which could do so with narrowed shoulders).  The bridges on I-90 would require narrowing at least the inner shoulder to fit in a fourth lane.

Don't see it happening now as traffic count doesn't justify it, but maybe in the next 10 years or so.

Maybe around 10 to 15 years out once any adjustments due to the IL 23 interchange play out and if the economy stays decent.

I could see I-90 being expanded up to IL-47 in the next 5-10 years and maybe to IL-23 in the next 10-15 years depending on the growth in Hampshire, Burlington, and the like. Lots of new development happening in that area.

The smart road, I'm unsure of where it exactly ends west. I see some of the "future" poles here and there between barrington rd and 59, but I get off 59 everyday so unable to assess it westward.

With that said, it looks like in the next 5 years, the tollway's focus is just central I-294. However, I really wish the tollway would work on 4 laning I-88 after IL-59 to at least Farnsworth now that the bridge looks like it'll be finished by the end of the year.

Central I-294 is by far the Tollway's most pressing need as far as existing facilities go, so it makes sense that this would be their main focus. Let's also not forget The Edens Spur (I-94), which is in line for a rebuild. That said, don't count out them adding additional projects to the scope. I-90 was a big ticket item that is mostly wrapping up now, so I-88 could very well be next with the next segments being widened. I also wouldn't be surprised if they extended the eight lanes on I-90 to IL 47.

One thing that will be coming up sooner than later as a need will be I-355. The original section is almost 30 years old now and starting to show its age a bit. From a capacity standpoint, within the next decade, it very well could be in line for a major rehab/rebuild plus widening to eight lanes for the entire length between I-290 and I-55 (of course this would require IDOT to actually coordinate with the Tollway at the North end).

If and when the tollway 8 lanes I-88 further, they'll have to rebuild Eola rd. Current bridge configurations won't allow for 4 lanes, but Farnsworth ave appears as if it does.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on September 28, 2017, 08:13:18 AM
the bridges on 90 were designed up to 4 lanes, no?

Most of the overpasses appear capable of handling four lanes except for IL 47 (which could do so with narrowed shoulders).  The bridges on I-90 would require narrowing at least the inner shoulder to fit in a fourth lane.

Don't see it happening now as traffic count doesn't justify it, but maybe in the next 10 years or so.

Maybe around 10 to 15 years out once any adjustments due to the IL 23 interchange play out and if the economy stays decent.

I could see I-90 being expanded up to IL-47 in the next 5-10 years and maybe to IL-23 in the next 10-15 years depending on the growth in Hampshire, Burlington, and the like. Lots of new development happening in that area.

The smart road, I'm unsure of where it exactly ends west. I see some of the "future" poles here and there between barrington rd and 59, but I get off 59 everyday so unable to assess it westward.

With that said, it looks like in the next 5 years, the tollway's focus is just central I-294. However, I really wish the tollway would work on 4 laning I-88 after IL-59 to at least Farnsworth now that the bridge looks like it'll be finished by the end of the year.

Central I-294 is by far the Tollway's most pressing need as far as existing facilities go, so it makes sense that this would be their main focus. Let's also not forget The Edens Spur (I-94), which is in line for a rebuild. That said, don't count out them adding additional projects to the scope. I-90 was a big ticket item that is mostly wrapping up now, so I-88 could very well be next with the next segments being widened. I also wouldn't be surprised if they extended the eight lanes on I-90 to IL 47.

One thing that will be coming up sooner than later as a need will be I-355. The original section is almost 30 years old now and starting to show its age a bit. From a capacity standpoint, within the next decade, it very well could be in line for a major rehab/rebuild plus widening to eight lanes for the entire length between I-290 and I-55 (of course this would require IDOT to actually coordinate with the Tollway at the North end).

If and when the tollway 8 lanes I-88 further, they'll have to rebuild Eola rd. Current bridge configurations won't allow for 4 lanes, but Farnsworth ave appears as if it does.

Farnsworth and the two cross bridges after (Church and Mitchell Roads) are all set for an expansion. Eola and the rail bridge are the two outliers
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on September 28, 2017, 07:56:14 PM
the bridges on 90 were designed up to 4 lanes, no?

Most of the overpasses appear capable of handling four lanes except for IL 47 (which could do so with narrowed shoulders).  The bridges on I-90 would require narrowing at least the inner shoulder to fit in a fourth lane.

Don't see it happening now as traffic count doesn't justify it, but maybe in the next 10 years or so.

Maybe around 10 to 15 years out once any adjustments due to the IL 23 interchange play out and if the economy stays decent.

I could see I-90 being expanded up to IL-47 in the next 5-10 years and maybe to IL-23 in the next 10-15 years depending on the growth in Hampshire, Burlington, and the like. Lots of new development happening in that area.

The smart road, I'm unsure of where it exactly ends west. I see some of the "future" poles here and there between barrington rd and 59, but I get off 59 everyday so unable to assess it westward.

With that said, it looks like in the next 5 years, the tollway's focus is just central I-294. However, I really wish the tollway would work on 4 laning I-88 after IL-59 to at least Farnsworth now that the bridge looks like it'll be finished by the end of the year.

Central I-294 is by far the Tollway's most pressing need as far as existing facilities go, so it makes sense that this would be their main focus. Let's also not forget The Edens Spur (I-94), which is in line for a rebuild. That said, don't count out them adding additional projects to the scope. I-90 was a big ticket item that is mostly wrapping up now, so I-88 could very well be next with the next segments being widened. I also wouldn't be surprised if they extended the eight lanes on I-90 to IL 47.

One thing that will be coming up sooner than later as a need will be I-355. The original section is almost 30 years old now and starting to show its age a bit. From a capacity standpoint, within the next decade, it very well could be in line for a major rehab/rebuild plus widening to eight lanes for the entire length between I-290 and I-55 (of course this would require IDOT to actually coordinate with the Tollway at the North end).

If and when the tollway 8 lanes I-88 further, they'll have to rebuild Eola rd. Current bridge configurations won't allow for 4 lanes, but Farnsworth ave appears as if it does.

Farnsworth and the two cross bridges after (Church and Mitchell Roads) are all set for an expansion. Eola and the rail bridge are the two outliers

And the Aurora Toll Plaza is configured to allow for a fourth ORT lane. This leads me to believe they will widen I-88 from IL-59 to IL-31 within the next 10-15 years.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on October 13, 2017, 11:57:24 PM
Looks like southern segment of 294 from 95th street or so until the 80 merge got switched to led lights
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on October 14, 2017, 06:31:45 PM
Looks like southern segment of 294 from 95th street or so until the 80 merge got switched to led lights

I wouldn't be surprised if the segment North of I-90 follows sometime in the next year. They're more than likely going to wait until the massive rebuild to replace the lighting on the Central section. How about I-88 West of Highland Ave to at least IL-59? That would seem like a natural candidate for the next retrofit as well. Maybe portions of I-355 also would follow I figure.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on October 15, 2017, 12:32:21 PM
Looks like southern segment of 294 from 95th street or so until the 80 merge got switched to led lights

Been like that since about July
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on October 15, 2017, 02:02:27 PM
Looks like southern segment of 294 from 95th street or so until the 80 merge got switched to led lights

Been like that since about July

Haven't driven this stretch in a while. But agree with chimil, 294 North segment and 88 West of highland should get on that LED treatment
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on October 15, 2017, 04:23:15 PM
Looks like southern segment of 294 from 95th street or so until the 80 merge got switched to led lights

Been like that since about July

Haven't driven this stretch in a while. But agree with chimil, 294 North segment and 88 West of highland should get on that LED treatment

Oh yeah I agree, 88 at least from IL-59 eastward and the entire 294 stretch
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: DrMyEyes on October 20, 2017, 03:11:27 PM
Any ideas on when the master plan for Central TriState expansion will come out? Wondering what is going to happen with I55/294/Joliet Road interchange.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on October 20, 2017, 09:41:38 PM
^ I suspect it will be a while - any major redesign affecting I-55 would have to be coordinated with IDOT and FHWA.  From throwing out a random guess:  June 2018.

EDIT:  Per Page 18 of 20 from one of the I-55 Managed Lane Presentations, (http://www.i55managedlaneproject.org/pdfs/i55_cpg1_presentation_100517_final.pdf), the I-55/I-294 interchange will not be reconstructed.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on October 21, 2017, 11:01:56 AM
^ I suspect it will be a while - any major redesign affecting I-55 would have to be coordinated with IDOT and FHWA.  From throwing out a random guess:  June 2018.

EDIT:  Per Page 18 of 20 from one of the I-55 Managed Lane Presentations, (http://www.i55managedlaneproject.org/pdfs/i55_cpg1_presentation_100517_final.pdf), the I-55/I-294 interchange will not be reconstructed.
but the Central TriState rebuild will change the interchange and like widening bridges
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on October 21, 2017, 09:54:37 PM
^ They might replace the bridges and tweak the NB I-55 to SB I-294, NB I-294 to NB I-55 and NB I-294 to SB I-55 ramps slightly to account for the widened mainline, but it sounds like the rest of the interchange will not be changing.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Rick Powell on October 21, 2017, 11:09:24 PM
^ I suspect it will be a while - any major redesign affecting I-55 would have to be coordinated with IDOT and FHWA.  From throwing out a random guess:  June 2018.

EDIT:  Per Page 18 of 20 from one of the I-55 Managed Lane Presentations, (http://www.i55managedlaneproject.org/pdfs/i55_cpg1_presentation_100517_final.pdf), the I-55/I-294 interchange will not be reconstructed.

Also, DuPage County (with Cook County participation) is doing a parallel study of the 294 corridor, so there will be some coordination there.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dvferyance on October 22, 2017, 02:38:04 PM
the bridges on 90 were designed up to 4 lanes, no?

Most of the overpasses appear capable of handling four lanes except for IL 47 (which could do so with narrowed shoulders).  The bridges on I-90 would require narrowing at least the inner shoulder to fit in a fourth lane.

Don't see it happening now as traffic count doesn't justify it, but maybe in the next 10 years or so.

Maybe around 10 to 15 years out once any adjustments due to the IL 23 interchange play out and if the economy stays decent.

I could see I-90 being expanded up to IL-47 in the next 5-10 years and maybe to IL-23 in the next 10-15 years depending on the growth in Hampshire, Burlington, and the like. Lots of new development happening in that area.

The smart road, I'm unsure of where it exactly ends west. I see some of the "future" poles here and there between barrington rd and 59, but I get off 59 everyday so unable to assess it westward.

With that said, it looks like in the next 5 years, the tollway's focus is just central I-294. However, I really wish the tollway would work on 4 laning I-88 after IL-59 to at least Farnsworth now that the bridge looks like it'll be finished by the end of the year.
I really doubt there is going to be much growth farther west in the coming years. With how bad of shape Illinois is people will be moving out of state instead of farther out. i think the Chicago area was reached it's permanent western limits. Any additional growth will be more south to southwest in Kendall and Will counties. Illinois is losing population more than any others state. Lake county is seeing it's first decline ever this decade.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on October 22, 2017, 02:55:56 PM
the bridges on 90 were designed up to 4 lanes, no?

Most of the overpasses appear capable of handling four lanes except for IL 47 (which could do so with narrowed shoulders).  The bridges on I-90 would require narrowing at least the inner shoulder to fit in a fourth lane.

Don't see it happening now as traffic count doesn't justify it, but maybe in the next 10 years or so.

Maybe around 10 to 15 years out once any adjustments due to the IL 23 interchange play out and if the economy stays decent.

I could see I-90 being expanded up to IL-47 in the next 5-10 years and maybe to IL-23 in the next 10-15 years depending on the growth in Hampshire, Burlington, and the like. Lots of new development happening in that area.

The smart road, I'm unsure of where it exactly ends west. I see some of the "future" poles here and there between barrington rd and 59, but I get off 59 everyday so unable to assess it westward.

With that said, it looks like in the next 5 years, the tollway's focus is just central I-294. However, I really wish the tollway would work on 4 laning I-88 after IL-59 to at least Farnsworth now that the bridge looks like it'll be finished by the end of the year.
I really doubt there is going to be much growth farther west in the coming years. With how bad of shape Illinois is people will be moving out of state instead of farther out. i think the Chicago area was reached it's permanent western limits. Any additional growth will be more south to southwest in Kendall and Will counties. Illinois is losing population more than any others state. Lake county is seeing it's first decline ever this decade.

Have you been to Western Kane county i.e. South Elgin, Burlington and the like?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on October 22, 2017, 02:56:34 PM
the bridges on 90 were designed up to 4 lanes, no?

Most of the overpasses appear capable of handling four lanes except for IL 47 (which could do so with narrowed shoulders).  The bridges on I-90 would require narrowing at least the inner shoulder to fit in a fourth lane.

Don't see it happening now as traffic count doesn't justify it, but maybe in the next 10 years or so.

Maybe around 10 to 15 years out once any adjustments due to the IL 23 interchange play out and if the economy stays decent.

I could see I-90 being expanded up to IL-47 in the next 5-10 years and maybe to IL-23 in the next 10-15 years depending on the growth in Hampshire, Burlington, and the like. Lots of new development happening in that area.

The smart road, I'm unsure of where it exactly ends west. I see some of the "future" poles here and there between barrington rd and 59, but I get off 59 everyday so unable to assess it westward.

With that said, it looks like in the next 5 years, the tollway's focus is just central I-294. However, I really wish the tollway would work on 4 laning I-88 after IL-59 to at least Farnsworth now that the bridge looks like it'll be finished by the end of the year.
I really doubt there is going to be much growth farther west in the coming years. With how bad of shape Illinois is people will be moving out of state instead of farther out. i think the Chicago area was reached it's permanent western limits. Any additional growth will be more south to southwest in Kendall and Will counties. Illinois is losing population more than any others state. Lake county is seeing it's first decline ever this decade.

Have you been to Western Kane county i.e. South Elgin, Burlington and the like?

I have, but we're growing much faster down here.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on October 22, 2017, 03:00:49 PM
the bridges on 90 were designed up to 4 lanes, no?

Most of the overpasses appear capable of handling four lanes except for IL 47 (which could do so with narrowed shoulders).  The bridges on I-90 would require narrowing at least the inner shoulder to fit in a fourth lane.

Don't see it happening now as traffic count doesn't justify it, but maybe in the next 10 years or so.

Maybe around 10 to 15 years out once any adjustments due to the IL 23 interchange play out and if the economy stays decent.

I could see I-90 being expanded up to IL-47 in the next 5-10 years and maybe to IL-23 in the next 10-15 years depending on the growth in Hampshire, Burlington, and the like. Lots of new development happening in that area.

The smart road, I'm unsure of where it exactly ends west. I see some of the "future" poles here and there between barrington rd and 59, but I get off 59 everyday so unable to assess it westward.

With that said, it looks like in the next 5 years, the tollway's focus is just central I-294. However, I really wish the tollway would work on 4 laning I-88 after IL-59 to at least Farnsworth now that the bridge looks like it'll be finished by the end of the year.
I really doubt there is going to be much growth farther west in the coming years. With how bad of shape Illinois is people will be moving out of state instead of farther out. i think the Chicago area was reached it's permanent western limits. Any additional growth will be more south to southwest in Kendall and Will counties. Illinois is losing population more than any others state. Lake county is seeing it's first decline ever this decade.

Have you been to Western Kane county i.e. South Elgin, Burlington and the like?

I have, but we're growing much faster down here.

Not denying that, will county is getting incredible industrial development lately therefore truck traffic.

The growth on 80 and 57 has really been picking up in the past year or two
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Rick Powell on October 22, 2017, 04:48:03 PM
Kane, Kendall and Will are growing while most other counties in IL are losing population. Numerically, Kane is gaining the most population in recent years, but Will is growing the most industry and jobs while Kane and Kendall’s population growth consists of more workers that travel east to their jobs. I-80 is a mess anymore, I can’t depend on it to catch the Metra between 7 and 8 AM; sometimes it flows fairly free and other times it is a parking lot.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on October 22, 2017, 08:28:05 PM
Kane, Kendall and Will are growing while most other counties in IL are losing population. Numerically, Kane is gaining the most population in recent years, but Will is growing the most industry and jobs while Kane and Kendall’s population growth consists of more workers that travel east to their jobs. I-80 is a mess anymore, I can’t depend on it to catch the Metra between 7 and 8 AM; sometimes it flows fairly free and other times it is a parking lot.

Cook county is essentially built out as is dupage. Very little developable land left in dupage.

Lake county seriously lacks proper highway infrastructure. Hard to have industry in North West lake county when your only highway is 294 and their southern neighbors refuse any fix
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dvferyance on October 23, 2017, 07:36:13 PM
Overall I would say Chicago's freeways are mostly up to date except for I-80 in Will County. Compare that to the very outdated Milwaukee area freeways that even in 2017 are still just 2 lanes in some places.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on October 23, 2017, 09:31:28 PM
Overall I would say Chicago's freeways are mostly up to date except for I-80 in Will County. Compare that to the very outdated Milwaukee area freeways that even in 2017 are still just 2 lanes in some places.

Except also I-290 (Eisenhower Expressway) between I-294 and Central Ave (left hand exits), I-55 (Stevenson Expressway) anywhere East/North of I-355 (why didn't they add a lane back in the late 90s when they rebuilt much of it), I-90 (Kennedy Expressway) between O'Hare and I-94 Junction (short merges that cause unnecessarily bad backups), I-94 (Edens Expressway) entire stretch (antiquated 1950s pre-Interstate design with very narrow shoulders), I-94 (Bishop Ford Freeway) entire stretch (same issues as Edens Expressway). Though I agree it's amazing how freeways in Milwaukee are still only 2 lanes each way in many spots, all of these expressways I mentioned are just three lanes in each direction and are generally the main routes into Chicago. Considering how much traffic the get and how backed up they get, they are very out of date in many spots and very inadequate for modern day traffic needs. The tollways, on the other hand, are generally nicely up to date or there are programmed improvements (Central I-294). Even with that,  except for SB I-294 near O'Hare (which will be part of the I-294 expansion/rebuild), the tollways mostly run well where an interchange with IDOT isn't involved.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on October 23, 2017, 09:49:01 PM
The tollways, on the other hand, are generally nicely up to date or there are programmed improvements (Central I-294). Even with that,  except for SB I-294 near O'Hare (which will be part of the I-294 expansion/rebuild), the tollways mostly run well where an interchange with IDOT isn't involved.
I-355 can get clogged @ I-88 Interchange, and thats 2 ISTHA roadways

Supposedly, IDOT did want to add a lane to the Stevenson/I-55 when they completely rebuilt the roadway (was that late 90s or early 2000s?), but they were told "no" apparently "from above" state of IL officials. Most of the rebuilt section was built with wide enough shoulders for the 4th Lane, and 4 lanes (2 each way) ran over it easily while reconstruction occurred.

I think the main Expressways are pretty undersized lane-wise, compared to Chicagoland's population.

That being said, they tend to channel Suburb to City movements, and the Metra train system truly is a competitive option at peak times/rush hour, and non-peak times, the Expressways serve their purposes pretty well
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on October 23, 2017, 10:02:09 PM
The tollways, on the other hand, are generally nicely up to date or there are programmed improvements (Central I-294). Even with that,  except for SB I-294 near O'Hare (which will be part of the I-294 expansion/rebuild), the tollways mostly run well where an interchange with IDOT isn't involved.
I-355 can get clogged @ I-88 Interchange, and thats 2 ISTHA roadways

Supposedly, IDOT did want to add a lane to the Stevenson/I-55 when they completely rebuilt the roadway (was that late 90s or early 2000s?), but they were told "no" apparently "from above" state of IL officials. Most of the rebuilt section was built with wide enough shoulders for the 4th Lane, and 4 lanes (2 each way) ran over it easily while reconstruction occurred.

I think the main Expressways are pretty undersized lane-wise, compared to Chicagoland's population.

That being said, they tend to channel Suburb to City movements, and the Metra train system truly is a competitive option at peak times/rush hour, and non-peak times, the Expressways serve their purposes pretty well

You're right, I forgot about that logjam at I-355 and I-88. That stretch of I-355 does need another lane, though the ROW there makes it tricky.

What moron would have denied IDOT from being able to add a lane to I-55? I would make that person (or persons) have the drive it everyday at the most congested times until it is widened as punishment lol. It easily can fit a fourth lane, although we're now to where we'll be lucky to get an HOT lane.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on October 23, 2017, 10:28:36 PM
The tollways, on the other hand, are generally nicely up to date or there are programmed improvements (Central I-294). Even with that,  except for SB I-294 near O'Hare (which will be part of the I-294 expansion/rebuild), the tollways mostly run well where an interchange with IDOT isn't involved.
I-355 can get clogged @ I-88 Interchange, and thats 2 ISTHA roadways

Supposedly, IDOT did want to add a lane to the Stevenson/I-55 when they completely rebuilt the roadway (was that late 90s or early 2000s?), but they were told "no" apparently "from above" state of IL officials. Most of the rebuilt section was built with wide enough shoulders for the 4th Lane, and 4 lanes (2 each way) ran over it easily while reconstruction occurred.

I think the main Expressways are pretty undersized lane-wise, compared to Chicagoland's population.

That being said, they tend to channel Suburb to City movements, and the Metra train system truly is a competitive option at peak times/rush hour, and non-peak times, the Expressways serve their purposes pretty well

You're right, I forgot about that logjam at I-355 and I-88. That stretch of I-355 does need another lane, though the ROW there makes it tricky.

What moron would have denied IDOT from being able to add a lane to I-55? I would make that person (or persons) have the drive it everyday at the most congested times until it is widened as punishment lol. It easily can fit a fourth lane, although we're now to where we'll be lucky to get an HOT lane.

Need 4 laning on 290/355 from EOE to Ogden Ave.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on October 23, 2017, 10:29:41 PM
This may not be accurate, and I didn't save the Tribune Transportation beat-writer's article at the time, but I believe it was City of Chicago Pols -- may have even been Mayor Daley himself

Apparently there were Political influences to NOT increase I-55's capacity to/from the SW Suburbs and Downtown

That being said, if that is inaccurate (and it has been a while), anyone feel free to correct me
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on October 23, 2017, 10:35:04 PM
Need 4 laning on 290/355 from EOE to Ogden Ave.
Might as well go all the way up to I-90 at that point, and rebuild the damn 90/290/53 Cloverleaf. Make it a true Stack.

The issues, with both widening that segment and rebuilding that interchange, is ISTHA controls I-90 in Schaumburg area and I-355 from its Southern origin in New Lenox to the Army Trail Road interchange near Addison. And then from Army Trail north to Lake Cook Road on 355/290/53 the road is IDOT's baby

To widen from the EOE to Ogden would need IDOT and ISTHA cooperation (and funding). Unless ISTHA is to take over the I-290/IL 53 Freeway from Army Trail up to Lake Cook...
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on October 24, 2017, 09:07:53 PM
Need 4 laning on 290/355 from EOE to Ogden Ave.
Might as well go all the way up to I-90 at that point, and rebuild the damn 90/290/53 Cloverleaf. Make it a true Stack.

The issues, with both widening that segment and rebuilding that interchange, is ISTHA controls I-90 in Schaumburg area and I-355 from its Southern origin in New Lenox to the Army Trail Road interchange near Addison. And then from Army Trail north to Lake Cook Road on 355/290/53 the road is IDOT's baby

To widen from the EOE to Ogden would need IDOT and ISTHA cooperation (and funding). Unless ISTHA is to take over the I-290/IL 53 Freeway from Army Trail up to Lake Cook...

Honestly, I say let the ISTHA take over the remainder of I-355/I-290/IL 53 in that corridor. Maybe they would be able to actually make the much needed improvements in this lifetime, especially at the I-90 interchange and IL 53 North of the interchange. Maybe something to coincide with an eventual IL 53 extension. Hey, it's all not entirely far fetched if the tollway actually were to take the lead on it.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: inkyatari on October 24, 2017, 10:34:27 PM

Honestly, I say let the ISTHA take over the remainder of I-355/I-290/IL 53 in that corridor. Maybe they would be able to actually make the much needed improvements in this lifetime, especially at the I-90 interchange and IL 53 North of the interchange. Maybe something to coincide with an eventual IL 53 extension. Hey, it's all not entirely far fetched if the tollway actually were to take the lead on it.

I've suggested letting the ISTHA take over that section, and re-numbering it 355
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on October 24, 2017, 11:44:51 PM

Honestly, I say let the ISTHA take over the remainder of I-355/I-290/IL 53 in that corridor. Maybe they would be able to actually make the much needed improvements in this lifetime, especially at the I-90 interchange and IL 53 North of the interchange. Maybe something to coincide with an eventual IL 53 extension. Hey, it's all not entirely far fetched if the tollway actually were to take the lead on it.

I've suggested letting the ISTHA take over that section, and re-numbering it 355
Agreed. The North-South Corridor from Lake-Cook Rd to I-80 should be a single designation, and 355 is already there. And if/when the extension is built, it can be 355 all the way back to I-94

If Tolled tho, would probably need special permission, since that segment of present I-290 used to be I-90...probably had Federal Funds used for initial construction
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on October 25, 2017, 10:49:21 PM

Honestly, I say let the ISTHA take over the remainder of I-355/I-290/IL 53 in that corridor. Maybe they would be able to actually make the much needed improvements in this lifetime, especially at the I-90 interchange and IL 53 North of the interchange. Maybe something to coincide with an eventual IL 53 extension. Hey, it's all not entirely far fetched if the tollway actually were to take the lead on it.

I've suggested letting the ISTHA take over that section, and re-numbering it 355
Agreed. The North-South Corridor from Lake-Cook Rd to I-80 should be a single designation, and 355 is already there. And if/when the extension is built, it can be 355 all the way back to I-94

If Tolled tho, would probably need special permission, since that segment of present I-290 used to be I-90...probably had Federal Funds used for initial construction

It would make more sense to designate the entire corridor with a single number. I always joke with out of towners that the expressway through there has an "identity crisis" a few times. If they can approve longer corridors gaining tolls, I see no reason why this stretch couldn't get similar approval.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on October 25, 2017, 11:13:53 PM
Heck, traffic reports on AM 780 and AM 720 already refer to the corridor as the "355/53 combo" or something along those lines. Unify it.

And go ahead and add St Louis, or at least West Suburbs, as the Southbound/Eastbound Control for I-290 at I-90. I believe going Outbound/Westbound on I-90, the Southbound/Eastbound Control for I-290 already is West Suburbs, but heading Inbound/Eastbound on I-90, pretty sure the 290 Control is Chicago, whereas the 90 Control is Chicago - O'Hare, unless the signage changed with the 90 rebuild. I no longer live in the area, so haven't driven that way in a few years.

IDOT did give 355 Northbound @ I-80 the Control of Rockford -- IDOT sees, at some level, the 355/290/53 corridor as one route

In general, I don't like the (Directional) Suburbs as Controls, but I guess that ship has sailed. Already appears way too many times for I-290, I-88, and I-355. Why larger suburbs like Schaumburg, Aurora, and Joliet, and possibly Bolingbrook and New Lenox, can't be suburban Controls, I will never understand. Aurora and Joliet are used sometimes as Controls already
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on October 26, 2017, 09:24:32 AM
Aurora is mainly on I-88 westbound, then DeKalb, then the Quad Cities mixed with some Sterling/Rock Falls mentions. Eastbound is Chicago/Aurora or Chicago/DeKalb or just Chicago. I-355 uses Joliet, but for some reason when they opened the new section "Southwest suburbs and Northwest Suburbs" were added in. Never liked that
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: thenetwork on October 26, 2017, 10:23:13 AM
Aurora is mainly on I-88 westbound, then DeKalb, then the Quad Cities mixed with some Sterling/Rock Falls mentions. Eastbound is Chicago/Aurora or Chicago/DeKalb or just Chicago. I-355 uses Joliet, but for some reason when they opened the new section "Southwest suburbs and Northwest Suburbs" were added in. Never liked that

Probably so there wasn't a pissing match of which city gets the coveted title of control city.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Henry on October 26, 2017, 10:43:29 AM
Heck, traffic reports on AM 780 and AM 720 already refer to the corridor as the "355/53 combo" or something along those lines. Unify it.

And go ahead and add St Louis, or at least West Suburbs, as the Southbound/Eastbound Control for I-290 at I-90. I believe going Outbound/Westbound on I-90, the Southbound/Eastbound Control for I-290 already is West Suburbs, but heading Inbound/Eastbound on I-90, pretty sure the 290 Control is Chicago, whereas the 90 Control is Chicago - O'Hare, unless the signage changed with the 90 rebuild. I no longer live in the area, so haven't driven that way in a few years.

IDOT did give 355 Northbound @ I-80 the Control of Rockford -- IDOT sees, at some level, the 355/290/53 corridor as one route

In general, I don't like the (Directional) Suburbs as Controls, but I guess that ship has sailed. Already appears way too many times for I-290, I-88, and I-355. Why larger suburbs like Schaumburg, Aurora, and Joliet, and possibly Bolingbrook and New Lenox, can't be suburban Controls, I will never understand. Aurora and Joliet are used sometimes as Controls already
Aurora is mainly on I-88 westbound, then DeKalb, then the Quad Cities mixed with some Sterling/Rock Falls mentions. Eastbound is Chicago/Aurora or Chicago/DeKalb or just Chicago. I-355 uses Joliet, but for some reason when they opened the new section "Southwest suburbs and Northwest Suburbs" were added in. Never liked that

Probably so there wasn't a pissing match of which city gets the coveted title of control city.
At least it's better than using Wisconsin, Iowa and Indiana as control "cities". They're states, for crying out loud!
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on October 26, 2017, 10:44:51 AM
Heck, traffic reports on AM 780 and AM 720 already refer to the corridor as the "355/53 combo" or something along those lines. Unify it.

And go ahead and add St Louis, or at least West Suburbs, as the Southbound/Eastbound Control for I-290 at I-90. I believe going Outbound/Westbound on I-90, the Southbound/Eastbound Control for I-290 already is West Suburbs, but heading Inbound/Eastbound on I-90, pretty sure the 290 Control is Chicago, whereas the 90 Control is Chicago - O'Hare, unless the signage changed with the 90 rebuild. I no longer live in the area, so haven't driven that way in a few years.

IDOT did give 355 Northbound @ I-80 the Control of Rockford -- IDOT sees, at some level, the 355/290/53 corridor as one route

In general, I don't like the (Directional) Suburbs as Controls, but I guess that ship has sailed. Already appears way too many times for I-290, I-88, and I-355. Why larger suburbs like Schaumburg, Aurora, and Joliet, and possibly Bolingbrook and New Lenox, can't be suburban Controls, I will never understand. Aurora and Joliet are used sometimes as Controls already
Aurora is mainly on I-88 westbound, then DeKalb, then the Quad Cities mixed with some Sterling/Rock Falls mentions. Eastbound is Chicago/Aurora or Chicago/DeKalb or just Chicago. I-355 uses Joliet, but for some reason when they opened the new section "Southwest suburbs and Northwest Suburbs" were added in. Never liked that

Probably so there wasn't a pissing match of which city gets the coveted title of control city.
At least it's better than using Wisconsin, Iowa and Indiana as control "cities". They're states, for crying out loud!


I think the states make a lot more sense than cities would on highways like the Tri-State Tollway. 
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on October 27, 2017, 10:39:03 PM
It appears there will be a widening project on I-355 between IL 38 and IL 56 in 2018; see Page 12/20 of this budget presentation. (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/532174/20171018_TentBudget.pdf/f2cf61f4-eaa1-4e7d-acc3-9f10afd6fa97?version=1.0)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on October 28, 2017, 06:05:37 AM
Maybe they'll finally add street lighting on 88 between 290 and York when they reconstruct
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on October 29, 2017, 01:14:26 PM
This is about a month old, but did anyone see this?

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/09/29/il-tollways-could-be-cashless-in-two-years/ (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/09/29/il-tollways-could-be-cashless-in-two-years/)

They want to eliminate cash collection on the tollways in 2 years.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on October 30, 2017, 11:10:53 AM
This is about a month old, but did anyone see this?

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/09/29/il-tollways-could-be-cashless-in-two-years/ (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/09/29/il-tollways-could-be-cashless-in-two-years/)

They want to eliminate cash collection on the tollways in 2 years.

They previously remarked that they would eliminate the change buckets.

I'm assuming that toll operators are next as it's easier to swipe in and out with a mastercard than to pay the toll operators which take time with dealing with the register and in my personal experience, aren't the nicest of people.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: quickshade on October 30, 2017, 12:14:37 PM
I think the goal is to eliminate it all together, having you pay online for everything.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dvferyance on October 30, 2017, 01:32:56 PM
I think the goal is to eliminate it all together, having you pay online for everything.
I doubt it because if that was the goal why would they be replacing buckets with automated machines only to rip them out 2 years later? I think using the the automated machines for the mainlines is a great idea. Would not enjoy paying online for every toll. Would lead to too many problems is trying to remember all the tolls a passed through.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on October 30, 2017, 03:09:25 PM
If anything, I bet the first interstate to lose the toll buckets would be 294. They could then tear the structures down and use that space to help with the central rebuild
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on October 30, 2017, 04:22:31 PM
I think the goal is to eliminate it all together, having you pay online for everything.
I doubt it because if that was the goal why would they be replacing buckets with automated machines only to rip them out 2 years later? I think using the the automated machines for the mainlines is a great idea. Would not enjoy paying online for every toll. Would lead to too many problems is trying to remember all the tolls a passed through.

Well maybe some routes can go ETC only?
Virtual ticket ETC only With lots of EOE like tolling points + main line and ramp tolls for cash payers?
Virtual ticket ETC only etr 407 like + main line and ramp tolls for cash payers?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on October 30, 2017, 04:31:11 PM
If anything, I bet the first interstate to lose the toll buckets would be 294. They could then tear the structures down and use that space to help with the central rebuild
Unless they start adding more ramps toll it's ok. Now I-490 needs to be same price as going down to I-90.

As for I-90 elgin il to Chicago add a toll to the IL-59 on ramps and remove it from the IL-53/I-290 exit to make it fair for both sides (etc only added discount is ok as well for entering at roselle rd and Barrington rd to exit at IL-53 / Arlington Heights  rd / elmhurst rd).
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on October 30, 2017, 04:45:22 PM
Go All Electronic, and put gantries at the Endpoints of tolled roads (Tri-State North and South Point, Ends Spur East point, Jane Addams East and West point, 355 North and South point, and 88 East and West Point, 390 East and West point), and at all ramps, entry and exit.

I-Pass/E-ZPass will figure your toll and debit appropriately, and if you need to pay online after, you basically select your Entry and Exit points, and the Tollway website will kick out your Toll owed

Then use the data to make a "Virtual" Distance/"ticket"-type system, where you are tolled by Miles traveled, instead of the inequity of the current system, where some short trips are more expensive than longer trips, due to the location of ramp tolls and mainline plazas
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on October 31, 2017, 07:36:40 PM
If anything, I bet the first interstate to lose the toll buckets would be 294. They could then tear the structures down and use that space to help with the central rebuild

That is a good idea, removing the cash plazas on the mainline will free up ROW for other purposes.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Mrt90 on November 10, 2017, 09:47:56 AM
On my drive to work today I passed the construction at the I-94 Grand Avenue exit in Gurnee.  I saw some signs that were still loaded on trucks that were parked in the construction zone that had the I-pass logo and said something like no tolls taken or tolls not taken.  Are they going to start charging tolls at the Grand Ave. East and West exits off of I-94 west?  Sorry if this has already been covered.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on November 10, 2017, 10:25:37 AM
On my drive to work today I passed the construction at the I-94 Grand Avenue exit in Gurnee.  I saw some signs that were still loaded on trucks that were parked in the construction zone that had the I-pass logo and said something like no tolls taken or tolls not taken.  Are they going to start charging tolls at the Grand Ave. East and West exits off of I-94 west?  Sorry if this has already been covered.
Well there is a free trip there IL-21 to IL-132 but to make it ETC only?? I think they f* that up with IL-47 and I-90
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on November 10, 2017, 02:11:03 PM
Probably another testing zone, like the one northbound at Touhy
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: mrsman on November 23, 2017, 11:31:42 AM
Heck, traffic reports on AM 780 and AM 720 already refer to the corridor as the "355/53 combo" or something along those lines. Unify it.

And go ahead and add St Louis, or at least West Suburbs, as the Southbound/Eastbound Control for I-290 at I-90. I believe going Outbound/Westbound on I-90, the Southbound/Eastbound Control for I-290 already is West Suburbs, but heading Inbound/Eastbound on I-90, pretty sure the 290 Control is Chicago, whereas the 90 Control is Chicago - O'Hare, unless the signage changed with the 90 rebuild. I no longer live in the area, so haven't driven that way in a few years.

IDOT did give 355 Northbound @ I-80 the Control of Rockford -- IDOT sees, at some level, the 355/290/53 corridor as one route

In general, I don't like the (Directional) Suburbs as Controls, but I guess that ship has sailed. Already appears way too many times for I-290, I-88, and I-355. Why larger suburbs like Schaumburg, Aurora, and Joliet, and possibly Bolingbrook and New Lenox, can't be suburban Controls, I will never understand. Aurora and Joliet are used sometimes as Controls already
Aurora is mainly on I-88 westbound, then DeKalb, then the Quad Cities mixed with some Sterling/Rock Falls mentions. Eastbound is Chicago/Aurora or Chicago/DeKalb or just Chicago. I-355 uses Joliet, but for some reason when they opened the new section "Southwest suburbs and Northwest Suburbs" were added in. Never liked that

Probably so there wasn't a pissing match of which city gets the coveted title of control city.
At least it's better than using Wisconsin, Iowa and Indiana as control "cities". They're states, for crying out loud!


I think the states make a lot more sense than cities would on highways like the Tri-State Tollway.

Not really.  WI is a bad control, because most people would take I-90 to Madison and I-94 to Milwaukee.  2 different ways to the two main cities of WI.

For IN, it seems that all roads from Chicago lead you to Portage.  I would prefer South Bend as the control anyway.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: mrsman on November 23, 2017, 11:45:40 AM
Heck, traffic reports on AM 780 and AM 720 already refer to the corridor as the "355/53 combo" or something along those lines. Unify it.

And go ahead and add St Louis, or at least West Suburbs, as the Southbound/Eastbound Control for I-290 at I-90. I believe going Outbound/Westbound on I-90, the Southbound/Eastbound Control for I-290 already is West Suburbs, but heading Inbound/Eastbound on I-90, pretty sure the 290 Control is Chicago, whereas the 90 Control is Chicago - O'Hare, unless the signage changed with the 90 rebuild. I no longer live in the area, so haven't driven that way in a few years.

IDOT did give 355 Northbound @ I-80 the Control of Rockford -- IDOT sees, at some level, the 355/290/53 corridor as one route

In general, I don't like the (Directional) Suburbs as Controls, but I guess that ship has sailed. Already appears way too many times for I-290, I-88, and I-355. Why larger suburbs like Schaumburg, Aurora, and Joliet, and possibly Bolingbrook and New Lenox, can't be suburban Controls, I will never understand. Aurora and Joliet are used sometimes as Controls already

Agreed on all points.  One N/S corridor signed primarily as I-355.  IL-53 can be signed for part of way for the toll-free section (current I-290).  South control for the roadway should be Joliet and north control should be Schaumburg unil Higgins, and north of there Long Grove.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on November 23, 2017, 11:53:24 AM
Not really.  WI is a bad control, because most people would take I-90 to Madison and I-94 to Milwaukee.  2 different ways to the two main cities of WI.

For IN, it seems that all roads from Chicago lead you to Portage.  I would prefer South Bend as the control anyway.
For the Record, 90/94 uses Indiana and Wisconsin for Controls in Downtown Chicago, but at the Kennedy/Edens Split, the controls change to Madison (and O'Hare) and Milwaukee. The Tri-State also starts using Milwaukee approaching O'Hare, with I-90 getting Madison

Up until you reach O'Hare, Wisconsin isn't a bad Northbound Control. I guess you could argue hitting I-290, as 290 West will get you to I-90 also for Rockford and Madison bound traffic. North of ORD, the Control should be, and is, Milwaukee

Southbound, I have zero problem with Indiana on the Tri-State, Outbound Dan Ryan/Skyway/Bishop Ford Fwy, and Eastbound I-80. Indiana is fine, because once you get into NW IN, one can decide to follow I-65 to points South and East, I-80/90 to points East, and I-94 to points North and East. Plenty of traffic going in different directions coming from IL hitting NW IN.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on November 23, 2017, 04:21:07 PM
Not really.  WI is a bad control, because most people would take I-90 to Madison and I-94 to Milwaukee.  2 different ways to the two main cities of WI.

For IN, it seems that all roads from Chicago lead you to Portage.  I would prefer South Bend as the control anyway.
For the Record, 90/94 uses Indiana and Wisconsin for Controls in Downtown Chicago, but at the Kennedy/Edens Split, the controls change to MadisonRockford (and O'Hare) and Milwaukee. The Tri-State also starts using Milwaukee approaching O'Hare, with I-90 getting MadisonRockford

Up until you reach O'Hare, Wisconsin isn't a bad Northbound Control. I guess you could argue hitting I-290, as 290 West will get you to I-90 also for Rockford and Madison bound traffic. North of ORD, the Control should be, and is, Milwaukee

Southbound, I have zero problem with Indiana on the Tri-State, Outbound Dan Ryan/Skyway/Bishop Ford Fwy, and Eastbound I-80. Indiana is fine, because once you get into NW IN, one can decide to follow I-65 to points South and East, I-80/90 to points East, and I-94 to points North and East. Plenty of traffic going in different directions coming from IL hitting NW IN.
Unless I missed something in the last three weeks - FIXED!!
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: mrsman on November 23, 2017, 07:01:32 PM
Not really.  WI is a bad control, because most people would take I-90 to Madison and I-94 to Milwaukee.  2 different ways to the two main cities of WI.

For IN, it seems that all roads from Chicago lead you to Portage.  I would prefer South Bend as the control anyway.
For the Record, 90/94 uses Indiana and Wisconsin for Controls in Downtown Chicago, but at the Kennedy/Edens Split, the controls change to MadisonRockford (and O'Hare) and Milwaukee. The Tri-State also starts using Milwaukee approaching O'Hare, with I-90 getting MadisonRockford

Up until you reach O'Hare, Wisconsin isn't a bad Northbound Control. I guess you could argue hitting I-290, as 290 West will get you to I-90 also for Rockford and Madison bound traffic. North of ORD, the Control should be, and is, Milwaukee

Southbound, I have zero problem with Indiana on the Tri-State, Outbound Dan Ryan/Skyway/Bishop Ford Fwy, and Eastbound I-80. Indiana is fine, because once you get into NW IN, one can decide to follow I-65 to points South and East, I-80/90 to points East, and I-94 to points North and East. Plenty of traffic going in different directions coming from IL hitting NW IN.
Unless I missed something in the last three weeks - FIXED!!

I think what you are saying reinforces my concern.  If Rockford is used instead of Madison, then there really is no good indication that you should change directions to go to Madison.  For instance, if you follow the Tri-State towards Wisconsin, is there enough warning that you should change directions and take I-90 to reach Madison?  Whereas if the Tri-State's only control is Milwaukee then there is no presumption that the Tri-State is the best way to reach the entire state of WI, just Milwaukee.

Furthermore, it's bad practice to change the control city before you reach that control.  The control changes from Wisconsin to Milwaukee before your reach Wisconsin.  It would also be unwise to have a Madison control on I-90 in Chicago, if the control is Rockford in the suburbs.  Better to go in order, a Rockford control until you reach Rockford and then Madison. 

Now this is not so bad for Indiana, since all major roads that head to Indiana meet at a common point in Portage (80,90,94) and then from that area diverge towards Detroit, Toledo, or Indianapolis.  And the control is Indiana all the way to the state line, it doesn't change until you are in Indiana.

Another good state control is using Illinois in the St. Louis area.  Since there is a river splitting the two states there are only limited connections between the two.  If you cross on the Eads Bridge you are taking the best road to reach all parts of Illinois.  Then, you can choose between 55 (Chicago), 70 (Vandalia and then to Indianapolis), or 64 (Mt Vernon and then to Louisville).  I still would prefer using all three cities as the control, but it's not as bad to use a state here.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on November 23, 2017, 07:36:07 PM
I will be driving through the area tomorrow/Saturday - I'll check it out to make sure.

NOTE: https://cote.transportation.org/interstate-control-cities/ This is the AASHTO official list of control cities for the Interstates.  Rockford does not appear anywhere on I-90's list.  Thus either Janesville or Madison would technically be the correct cities to put in.  Note that this list is both incomplete and poorly written.

294 is a grey area since it is a half-belt. 

Keep in mind that ISTHA is doing their own thing - hence Rockford.  IDOT, however?

Many DOTs are not following this list - I don't believe it's a requirement either.

IDOT has mainline cities set as the long distance version for on the highway and short-distance for junctions. Incomplete list:
24: Long: Nashville, "To Interstate 57"; Short: Paducah, Vienna(?)
39: Rockford, Rochelle, Puru-LaSalle and Bloomington (Late add by IDOT int the 1990s)
57: Long: Memphis, Chicago; Short: "Interstate 80", Kankakee, Champaign-Urbana, Effingham, Mt Vernon, Cairo
64: Long: St Louis, Louisville; Short: East St Louis, Mt Vernon
70: Long: St Louis, Indianapolis; Short: East St Louis, Effingham
72: Hannibal, Jacksonville, Springfield, Decatur, Champaign-Urbana (This route does not follow the others rules as it was a late add in the 90s)
74: Long: Moline-Rock Island, Peoria, Indianapolis; Short: Gailsville, Bloomington, Champaign-Urbana
80: Iowa, Chicago, Indiana; Short: Moline-Rock Island, Peru-La Salle, Joliet
88: Aurora, DeKalb, Rochelle, Rock Island (This is mostly ISTHA and it was a late add in the 90s)
90: Wisconsin, Rockford, O'Hare, Chicago, "Indiana Toll Rd"
94: Long: Milwaukee, Chicago, Indiana; Short: Rockford, O'Hare
The 3dis have a little bit of a different rule based on where they are.
Around Chicago - IDOT like very much to use "Suburbs", ISTHA a bit less so.  St Louis metro does use cities (Memphis south on 255, "Interstate 270" north, KC west on 270, Indy East)
280 does the same as 80.
155 just has Lincoln and Peoria.

EDIT:  I didn't mention 180 for obvious reasons. :sombrero:
Title: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on November 23, 2017, 09:01:28 PM
Heck, traffic reports on AM 780 and AM 720 already refer to the corridor as the "355/53 combo" or something along those lines. Unify it.

And go ahead and add St Louis, or at least West Suburbs, as the Southbound/Eastbound Control for I-290 at I-90. I believe going Outbound/Westbound on I-90, the Southbound/Eastbound Control for I-290 already is West Suburbs, but heading Inbound/Eastbound on I-90, pretty sure the 290 Control is Chicago, whereas the 90 Control is Chicago - O'Hare, unless the signage changed with the 90 rebuild. I no longer live in the area, so haven't driven that way in a few years.

IDOT did give 355 Northbound @ I-80 the Control of Rockford -- IDOT sees, at some level, the 355/290/53 corridor as one route

In general, I don't like the (Directional) Suburbs as Controls, but I guess that ship has sailed. Already appears way too many times for I-290, I-88, and I-355. Why larger suburbs like Schaumburg, Aurora, and Joliet, and possibly Bolingbrook and New Lenox, can't be suburban Controls, I will never understand. Aurora and Joliet are used sometimes as Controls already

Agreed on all points.  One N/S corridor signed primarily as I-355.  IL-53 can be signed for part of way for the toll-free section (current I-290).  South control for the roadway should be Joliet and north control should be Schaumburg unil Higgins, and north of there Long Grove.

Long Grove should not reap the awards of being an award city after their efforts to block the 53 extension. Control city north of Higgins should be either Palatine, Arlington Heights, Lake Zurich or Buffalo Grove.

Not to mention Long Grove has <10,000 people. The four cities I listed are at least double that.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on November 23, 2017, 09:33:04 PM
Close, Scott, but I have a few changes in italics.

I will be driving through the area tomorrow/Saturday - I'll check it out to make sure.

NOTE: https://cote.transportation.org/interstate-control-cities/ This is the AASHTO official list of control cities for the Interstates.  Rockford does not appear anywhere on I-90's list.  Thus either Janesville or Madison would technically be the correct cities to put in.  Note that this list is both incomplete and poorly written.

294 is a grey area since it is a half-belt.  I-294 is Wisconsin and Indiana with O'Hare here and there.

Keep in mind that ISTHA is doing their own thing - hence Rockford.  IDOT, however?

Many DOTs are not following this list - I don't believe it's a requirement either.

IDOT has mainline cities set as the long distance version for on the highway and short-distance for junctions. Incomplete list:
24: Long: Nashville, St Louis "To Interstate 57"; Short: Paducah, Interstate 57 Vienna(?)
39: Rockford, Rochelle, Puru-LaSalle and Bloomington /Bloomington-Normal Short: LaSalle-Peru (Late add by IDOT int the 1990s)
57: Long: Memphis, Chicago; Short: "Interstate 80", Kankakee, Champaign-Urbana, Effingham, Mt Vernon, Cairo
64: Long: St Louis, Louisville; Short: East St Louis, Mt Vernon, Evansville
70: Long: St Louis, Indianapolis; Short: East St Louis, Effingham, Terre Haute
72: Hannibal alternates with Quincy, Jacksonville, Springfield, Decatur, Champaign-Urbana (This route does not follow the others rules as it was a late add in the 90s)
74: Long: Moline-Rock Island, Peoria, Indianapolis; Short: Gailsville Galesburg, Bloomington, Champaign-Urbana, Danville, Davenport
80: Iowa alternates with Des Moines, Chicago, Indiana alternates with Toledo; Short: Moline-Rock Island, Peru-La Salle, Joliet, older signs also have Gary, Indiana
88: Aurora, DeKalb, Rochelle Dixon, Rock Falls-Sterling, Moline-Rock Island (This is mostly ISTHA and it was a late add in the 90s)
90: Wisconsin, Rockford, O'Hare, Chicago, "Indiana Toll Rd", Indiana
94: Long: Wisconsin, Milwaukee, Chicago, Indiana; Short: Rockford, O'Hare
The 3dis have a little bit of a different rule based on where they are.
Around Chicago - IDOT like very much to use "Suburbs", ISTHA a bit less so.  St Louis metro does use cities (Memphis south on 255, "Interstate 270" north, KC west on 270, Indy East)
280 does the same as 80.
155 just has Lincoln and Peoria.

EDIT:  I didn't mention 180 for obvious reasons. :sombrero:

I-290 is Rockford, West Suburbs, Chicago, and one sign for Aurora.
I-190 is Chicago Loop and O'Hare.
I-355 is Northwest Suburbs, Southwest Suburbs, West Suburbs, Joliet, South Suburbs (south of I-55), St Louis (two signs), and Rockford (according to IDOT at I-80).
I-180 is Hennepin and Interstate 80.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on November 23, 2017, 10:33:48 PM
Close, Scott, but I have a few changes in italics.

I will be driving through the area tomorrow/Saturday - I'll check it out to make sure.

NOTE: https://cote.transportation.org/interstate-control-cities/ This is the AASHTO official list of control cities for the Interstates.  Rockford does not appear anywhere on I-90's list.  Thus either Janesville or Madison would technically be the correct cities to put in.  Note that this list is both incomplete and poorly written.

294 is a grey area since it is a half-belt.  I-294 is Wisconsin and Indiana with O'Hare here and there.

Keep in mind that ISTHA is doing their own thing - hence Rockford.  IDOT, however?

Many DOTs are not following this list - I don't believe it's a requirement either.

IDOT has mainline cities set as the long distance version for on the highway and short-distance for junctions. Incomplete list:
24: Long: Nashville, St Louis "To Interstate 57"; Short: Paducah, Interstate 57 Vienna(?)
39: Rockford, Rochelle, Puru-LaSalle and Bloomington /Bloomington-Normal Short: LaSalle-Peru (Late add by IDOT int the 1990s)
57: Long: Memphis, Chicago; Short: "Interstate 80", Kankakee, Champaign-Urbana, Effingham, Mt Vernon, Cairo
64: Long: St Louis, Louisville; Short: East St Louis, Mt Vernon, Evansville
70: Long: St Louis, Indianapolis; Short: East St Louis, Effingham, Terre Haute
72: Hannibal alternates with Quincy, Jacksonville, Springfield, Decatur, Champaign-Urbana (This route does not follow the others rules as it was a late add in the 90s)
74: Long: Moline-Rock Island, Peoria, Indianapolis; Short: Gailsville Galesburg, Bloomington, Champaign-Urbana, Danville, Davenport
80: Iowa alternates with Des Moines, Chicago, Indiana alternates with Toledo; Short: Moline-Rock Island, Peru-La Salle, Joliet, older signs also have Gary, Indiana
88: Aurora, DeKalb, Rochelle Dixon, Rock Falls-Sterling, Moline-Rock Island (This is mostly ISTHA and it was a late add in the 90s)
90: Wisconsin, Rockford, O'Hare, Chicago, "Indiana Toll Rd", Indiana
94: Long: Wisconsin, Milwaukee, Chicago, Indiana; Short: Rockford, O'Hare
The 3dis have a little bit of a different rule based on where they are.
Around Chicago - IDOT like very much to use "Suburbs", ISTHA a bit less so.  St Louis metro does use cities (Memphis south on 255, "Interstate 270" north, KC west on 270, Indy East)
280 does the same as 80.
155 just has Lincoln and Peoria.

EDIT:  I didn't mention 180 for obvious reasons. :sombrero:

I-290 is Rockford, West Suburbs, Chicago, and one sign for Aurora.
I-190 is Chicago Loop and O'Hare.
I-355 is Northwest Suburbs, Southwest Suburbs, West Suburbs, Joliet, South Suburbs (south of I-55), St Louis (two signs), and Rockford (according to IDOT at I-80).
I-180 is Hennepin and Interstate 80.
Dammit - how did I leave Rockford on 94?
 :banghead: :banghead:

I-90 to Indiana true on paper.  Leave it to the Skyway to not bother showing it.

Otherwise thanks for the list Brandon.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ilpt4u on November 24, 2017, 03:42:03 AM
Is Madison really not signed on I-90 West at the Kennedy/Edens split, nor at the Kennedy/Tri-State/NW Tollway/ORD Interchange? Its been a couple years since driving up that way, but I could have sworn Madison was signed as a Control...Yes, I know Rockford is, too, in addition to O'Hare (the Airport should be a Control - its a key regional transportation hub).
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on November 24, 2017, 05:52:59 AM
Is Madison really not signed on I-90 West at the Kennedy/Edens split, nor at the Kennedy/Tri-State/NW Tollway/ORD Interchange? Its been a couple years since driving up that way, but I could have sworn Madison was signed as a Control...Yes, I know Rockford is, too, in addition to O'Hare (the Airport should be a Control - its a key regional transportation hub).

Nope.  O'Hare, Rockford, and Milwaukee are signed.  Madison is not.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on November 24, 2017, 09:12:24 AM
Is Madison really not signed on I-90 West at the Kennedy/Edens split, nor at the Kennedy/Tri-State/NW Tollway/ORD Interchange? Its been a couple years since driving up that way, but I could have sworn Madison was signed as a Control...Yes, I know Rockford is, too, in addition to O'Hare (the Airport should be a Control - its a key regional transportation hub).

Nope.  O'Hare, Rockford, and Milwaukee are signed.  Madison is not.

It used to be before the I-90 expansion. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171124/8b7b5e7f3d9d37bdbb8b5561e2f11d65.png)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on November 24, 2017, 10:45:37 AM
Correct.  They replaced it with signs with Rockford

https://goo.gl/maps/tMihbCfSFcm <-- This is what it looks like now - they replaced "Milwaukee" with "Wisconsin".

https://goo.gl/maps/J6CZENP5kwT2 <-- At the exit.

What's interesting?  The above say Wisconsin - Ambiguity ensues.

https://goo.gl/maps/HH33qoMdEKP2 <-- this has Milwaukee.

So I suppose anyone not familiar with the area who didn't read a map or set their GPS (*cringe*) will take 294 to get to WI - even if their destination is Platteville or Prairie du Chein.

The above are all ISTHA signs. 

This one (https://goo.gl/maps/FfonSNqza5N2) is an IDOT sign (at the Edens Junction).
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on November 26, 2017, 08:41:25 PM
Close, Scott, but I have a few changes in italics.

88: Aurora, DeKalb, Rochelle Dixon, Rock Falls-Sterling, Moline-Rock Island (This is mostly ISTHA and it was a late add in the 90s)

Iowa makes an appearance at IL 59 and on a couple of distance signs.

St Louis metro does use cities (Memphis south on 255, "Interstate 270" north, KC west on 270, Indy East)

NB I-255 uses Chicago until the I-55/I-70 interchange, with at least one appearance of Indianapolis (Streetview (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.612848,-90.0751156,3a,75y,58.88h,85.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPqlUNoz6a2gzWMNwpDBD4g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)).  Southbound I-255 has Tulsa appear a couple times, though once it is as a control city for US 50.  Streetview near Columbia (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.4797298,-90.2233959,3a,75y,207.56h,86.07t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sxQccJUksZcI2tV7fmuMK5g!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DxQccJUksZcI2tV7fmuMK5g%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D82.57305%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)

I-270 has (had?) "short" control cities of St. Charles and Effingham. 
Streetview at IL 157 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.7541789,-90.0067999,3a,75y,351.23h,80.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sxlsc5Sl-TFRwAkD9AYsG0A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Dxlsc5Sl-TFRwAkD9AYsG0A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D51.706894%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)
Streetview at IL 111 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.754344,-90.0683794,3a,75y,25.3h,83.3t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1spDZ8XwOulQPa5DLvcR1CdA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DpDZ8XwOulQPa5DLvcR1CdA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D107.72885%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)

155 just has Lincoln and Peoria.

Hartsburg appears at I-55.  Streetview (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1719765,-89.4170682,3a,48.4y,9.94h,92.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sb7mcvz74cg0mAQmWsWEtfw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)


Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on December 18, 2017, 11:10:33 PM
So the tollway is going to rebuild and lengthen the York Road bridge over I-88 starting next year, as part of the plan to rebuild I-88 between York Road and I-290. Apparently, a lane will be added WB, but not eastbound. They probably are waiting to do eastbound until they figure out what the heck to do with the Central Tri-State and the I-290 widening.

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/fb7cf94f-7221-482d-90e8-59f71207945e (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/fb7cf94f-7221-482d-90e8-59f71207945e)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on December 18, 2017, 11:31:59 PM
So the tollway is going to rebuild and lengthen the York Road bridge over I-88 starting next year, as part of the plan to rebuild I-88 between York Road and I-290. Apparently, a lane will be added WB, but not eastbound. They probably are waiting to do eastbound until they figure out what the heck to do with the Central Tri-State and the I-290 widening.

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/fb7cf94f-7221-482d-90e8-59f71207945e (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/fb7cf94f-7221-482d-90e8-59f71207945e)

Based on reading the document, it's pretty obvious that the intent is to also add a lane to EB I-88 in the future. Likely, it will be done in coordination with the I-294 rebuild and hopefully might tie into a widened I-290 if IDOT ever gets going on that, (or hands that over to the Tollway, which I would honestly prefer at this point).
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on December 19, 2017, 12:29:09 AM
So the tollway is going to rebuild and lengthen the York Road bridge over I-88 starting next year, as part of the plan to rebuild I-88 between York Road and I-290. Apparently, a lane will be added WB, but not eastbound. They probably are waiting to do eastbound until they figure out what the heck to do with the Central Tri-State and the I-290 widening.

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/fb7cf94f-7221-482d-90e8-59f71207945e (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/fb7cf94f-7221-482d-90e8-59f71207945e)
WB needs it more if just to give more room to unload cars from I-294.
The other way???? no toll to spit the lanes. Maybe an longer 2 for I-88 to I-290 and 2 I-88 to I-294.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on December 19, 2017, 08:37:49 AM
So the tollway is going to rebuild and lengthen the York Road bridge over I-88 starting next year, as part of the plan to rebuild I-88 between York Road and I-290. Apparently, a lane will be added WB, but not eastbound. They probably are waiting to do eastbound until they figure out what the heck to do with the Central Tri-State and the I-290 widening.

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/fb7cf94f-7221-482d-90e8-59f71207945e (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/fb7cf94f-7221-482d-90e8-59f71207945e)

So it begins!
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on December 19, 2017, 07:45:10 PM
This is also mostly likely being done to fix this intersection. In order to make a left turn into the subdivision, you have to veer right off York and then have a completely separate light to go into it.

(https://i.imgur.com/wBxjF5C.jpg)

I imagine the pedestrain bridge isn't going anywhere, or is that being removed as well
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on December 19, 2017, 08:42:14 PM
I haven't been down that section in awhile, does that pedestrian bridge have enough clearance for the 4th lane?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on December 20, 2017, 07:07:24 AM
I haven't been down that section in awhile, does that pedestrian bridge have enough clearance for the 4th lane?

Yes, it does have enough room for a 4th lane...

Here, take a closer look:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8563949,-87.9302122,3a,75y,35.95h,88.82t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sLDLxC_83blDNsWm9yOArIw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DLDLxC_83blDNsWm9yOArIw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D11.654839%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on December 20, 2017, 08:45:45 AM
I haven't been down that section in awhile, does that pedestrian bridge have enough clearance for the 4th lane?

Yes, it does have enough room for a 4th lane...

Here, take a closer look:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8563949,-87.9302122,3a,75y,35.95h,88.82t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sLDLxC_83blDNsWm9yOArIw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DLDLxC_83blDNsWm9yOArIw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D11.654839%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

Nice, so probably that will be staying. Maybe get some repairs but otherwise remain intact the way it is
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on December 20, 2017, 02:24:46 PM
So the tollway is going to rebuild and lengthen the York Road bridge over I-88 starting next year, as part of the plan to rebuild I-88 between York Road and I-290. Apparently, a lane will be added WB, but not eastbound. They probably are waiting to do eastbound until they figure out what the heck to do with the Central Tri-State and the I-290 widening.

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/fb7cf94f-7221-482d-90e8-59f71207945e (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/fb7cf94f-7221-482d-90e8-59f71207945e)

Based on reading the document, it's pretty obvious that the intent is to also add a lane to EB I-88 in the future. Likely, it will be done in coordination with the I-294 rebuild and hopefully might tie into a widened I-290 if IDOT ever gets going on that, (or hands that over to the Tollway, which I would honestly prefer at this point).
provide a shoulder for the eastbound lanes? it has one now so more like wide shoulder that can be flipped to an added lane with just some new paint?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on December 30, 2017, 09:53:29 PM
On my drive to work today I passed the construction at the I-94 Grand Avenue exit in Gurnee.  I saw some signs that were still loaded on trucks that were parked in the construction zone that had the I-pass logo and said something like no tolls taken or tolls not taken.  Are they going to start charging tolls at the Grand Ave. East and West exits off of I-94 west?  Sorry if this has already been covered.

From a recent trip that used the WB I-94 exit to WB IL 132/Grand, I did not see any toll gantries.  There is an arrow per lane sign on the new C-D roadway, as well as a lack of a weaving lane between the loops on the C-D roadway, an  acceleration lane for the EB to WB (NB) loop, or a deceleration lane for the WB (NB) to WB loop.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on January 21, 2018, 01:41:57 AM
Have anyone seen this yet?? Number of lanes along the I-294 corridor between 95th Street and Balmoral Avenue... Widening from 4 lanes to 4-6 lanes and a FLEX lane... Can't wait for this project to start!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/555754/CTri-RegionalSolutionMap_FINAL_01-05-18+copy.pdf/f890a5f1-8d4d-465d-b1d8-b6a8b9a0a29c
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on January 21, 2018, 02:34:04 PM
Is the Master Plan still in the works? I'm very interested in seeing how this works, especially since it's not a consistent lane count throughout the how portion.

Also it points out 79th/Cork Ave as an interchange improvement. Could this mean that the Tri-State could have a potential connection there? I always thought there should be a NB off-ramp onto Cork Ave.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on January 21, 2018, 07:20:23 PM
Is the Master Plan still in the works? I'm very interested in seeing how this works, especially since it's not a consistent lane count throughout the how portion.

Also it points out 79th/Cork Ave as an interchange improvement. Could this mean that the Tri-State could have a potential connection there? I always thought there should be a NB off-ramp onto Cork Ave.
make the 4 lane parts 5 and how are they going to work ogden with 6 lanes with out changing the interchange a lot ?? I hope at least they add C/D.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: CtrlAltDel on January 21, 2018, 07:51:23 PM
So, is the flex lane the same thing as driving on the shoulder?

And did anyone notice that their little diagram has the yellow line on the right instead of the left?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on January 21, 2018, 11:10:28 PM
So, is the flex lane the same thing as driving on the shoulder?

And did anyone notice that their little diagram has the yellow line on the right instead of the left?

Yes the UK is doing it as a more of a full time thing. Here they want to be more like peek time bus us and maybe part time use if the main lanes are blocked.

http://www.itsinternational.com/categories/detection-monitoring-machine-vision/features/uk-defaults-to-hard-shoulder-running-to-expand-motorway-capacity/
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on January 22, 2018, 08:38:06 AM
Is the Master Plan still in the works? I'm very interested in seeing how this works, especially since it's not a consistent lane count throughout the how portion.

Also it points out 79th/Cork Ave as an interchange improvement. Could this mean that the Tri-State could have a potential connection there? I always thought there should be a NB off-ramp onto Cork Ave.

The entire confluence would probably need some redoing. You have I-294, 88th Ave, 79th Street, Archer Ave, and LaGrange Road. Even if it's just a partial on and off ramp situation I wouldn't mind that. Breaks up that 5 mile interval between Willow Springs and 95th and could take traffic away from 95th
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: cabiness42 on January 22, 2018, 04:11:06 PM
Would like to see another southbound entrance ramp somewhere between Roosevelt and Ogden.  York and Ogden are awfully congested during evening rush with cars trying to get on 294 SB.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on January 23, 2018, 06:25:35 PM
Would like to see another southbound entrance ramp somewhere between Roosevelt and Ogden.  York and Ogden are awfully congested during evening rush with cars trying to get on 294 SB.

Needs flyovers from/to 290, 88, 55....
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Mrt90 on January 24, 2018, 12:46:19 PM
On my drive to work today I passed the construction at the I-94 Grand Avenue exit in Gurnee.  I saw some signs that were still loaded on trucks that were parked in the construction zone that had the I-pass logo and said something like no tolls taken or tolls not taken.  Are they going to start charging tolls at the Grand Ave. East and West exits off of I-94 west?  Sorry if this has already been covered.

From a recent trip that used the WB I-94 exit to WB IL 132/Grand, I did not see any toll gantries.  There is an arrow per lane sign on the new C-D roadway, as well as a lack of a weaving lane between the loops on the C-D roadway, an  acceleration lane for the EB to WB (NB) loop, or a deceleration lane for the WB (NB) to WB loop.
You are correct, there are still no tolls there.  Maybe they have storage facility nearby and I just happened to drive by when the signs were still outside on the trucks?

The changes they made to the Grand exits off of I94 west actually seem to be working. There is rarely a backup from the exit onto the tollway.  Now they just need to do the same thing at 120!
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: lucas01aswell on January 24, 2018, 04:58:19 PM
Changeing this to I-PASS Will make Many six flags driver without i-pass Pissed off
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Mrt90 on January 24, 2018, 05:16:57 PM
Changeing this to I-PASS Will make Many six flags driver without i-pass Pissed off
Anyone who exits at Grand (except for the rare one who enters from Milw Ave and then exits at Grand) has already gone through at least one toll plaza anyway.  Of course, charging a toll at Grand without charging at 120 would just make 120 a bigger mess, which is probably why it's not happening.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on January 24, 2018, 06:34:28 PM
On my drive to work today I passed the construction at the I-94 Grand Avenue exit in Gurnee.  I saw some signs that were still loaded on trucks that were parked in the construction zone that had the I-pass logo and said something like no tolls taken or tolls not taken.  Are they going to start charging tolls at the Grand Ave. East and West exits off of I-94 west?  Sorry if this has already been covered.

From a recent trip that used the WB I-94 exit to WB IL 132/Grand, I did not see any toll gantries.  There is an arrow per lane sign on the new C-D roadway, as well as a lack of a weaving lane between the loops on the C-D roadway, an  acceleration lane for the EB to WB (NB) loop, or a deceleration lane for the WB (NB) to WB loop.
You are correct, there are still no tolls there.  Maybe they have storage facility nearby and I just happened to drive by when the signs were still outside on the trucks?

The changes they made to the Grand exits off of I94 west actually seem to be working. There is rarely a backup from the exit onto the tollway.  Now they just need to do the same thing at 120!

120 needs an full interchange
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: inkyatari on January 24, 2018, 08:49:11 PM


120 needs an full interchange

120 needs to be divorced from the IL 53 project
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on February 04, 2018, 11:16:25 PM
The community of Hinsdale are complaining about the widening project on I-294... AGAIN!!  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Article:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/hinsdale/news/ct-dhd-tollway-widening-tl-0208-20180201-story.html

Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on February 05, 2018, 08:34:21 AM
The community of Hinsdale are complaining about the widening project on I-294... AGAIN!!  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Article:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/hinsdale/news/ct-dhd-tollway-widening-tl-0208-20180201-story.html

What kind of drugs are the village staff on? Reversible lanes? 294 gets backed up both North and South during rush hour
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on February 05, 2018, 09:18:47 AM
The community of Hinsdale are complaining about the widening project on I-294... AGAIN!!  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Article:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/hinsdale/news/ct-dhd-tollway-widening-tl-0208-20180201-story.html

What kind of drugs are the village staff on? Reversible lanes? 294 gets backed up both North and South during rush hour

It's Hinsdale.  To understand where they're coming from, you need to stick your nose so high in the air that your nostrils point upwards.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on February 05, 2018, 09:28:39 AM
The community of Hinsdale are complaining about the widening project on I-294... AGAIN!!  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Article:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/hinsdale/news/ct-dhd-tollway-widening-tl-0208-20180201-story.html

What kind of drugs are the village staff on? Reversible lanes? 294 gets backed up both North and South during rush hour

It's Hinsdale.  To understand where they're coming from, you need to stick your nose so high in the air that your nostrils point upwards.

Hinsdale is the Hawthron Woods of the inner core western suburbs. Everything needs to revolve around them
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on February 05, 2018, 09:31:05 AM
The community of Hinsdale are complaining about the widening project on I-294... AGAIN!!  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Article:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/hinsdale/news/ct-dhd-tollway-widening-tl-0208-20180201-story.html

What kind of drugs are the village staff on? Reversible lanes? 294 gets backed up both North and South during rush hour
drugs soon there will be a vote in cook about making pot legalization

aux lanes aka (1-2) of the 6 + flex are just from I-88 ramps to I-55 ramps.

and
"Cauley believes much of the congestion on the tollway in the morning is due to the bottleneck at the interchange where I-294 meets I-290 just north of Hinsdale. He would like the tollway to redesign that interchange and see what improvement results before widening the tollway to seven lanes."

I-294/I-88/I-290 is one thing. Also I-55/I-294 has issues as well.  The I-88 linking ramps really need aux lanes to Ogden and I-55
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on February 05, 2018, 09:42:14 AM
I mean, how common is it for a village to hire an engineer to draw up alternative plans for a highway design? 
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on February 05, 2018, 08:42:29 PM
[quo :rofl:te author=SEWIGuy link=topic=17650.msg2301303#msg2301303 date=1517841734]
I mean, how common is it for a village to hire an engineer to draw up alternative plans for a highway design?
[/quote]

I don't know about you guys, but I find the whole Hinsdale thing to be ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS  :rofl:

The freaking village hires a guy to draw up an alternate design on his own, while ISTHA is obviously conducting their required design work, probably costing millions of dollars.  Is ISTHA going to care a single bit about some unofficial design from some village?  No!  Of course not!  That's exactly equivalent to a situation where one of us submitted our own idea to the Fictional Highways board, then expected the Toll Authority to look at it and take it into consideration!  I'm dying over here :rofl:  Exactly the type of out-of-touch idiocy you might expect from a stuck-up pile of self-righteous rich people.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on March 02, 2018, 09:55:07 PM
There's a new bill in the Illinois House that would require upping speed limits on parts of the tollways to 70.  However, the new bill could also end up with the speed limit going down to 60 on the Tri-State from US 41 to the Edens Spur.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=5054&GAID=14&DocTypeID=HB&SessionID=91&GA=100 (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=5054&GAID=14&DocTypeID=HB&SessionID=91&GA=100)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: quickshade on March 03, 2018, 12:15:47 AM
There's a new bill in the Illinois House that would require upping speed limits on parts of the tollways to 70.  However, the new bill could also end up with the speed limit going down to 60 on the Tri-State from US 41 to the Edens Spur.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=5054&GAID=14&DocTypeID=HB&SessionID=91&GA=100 (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=5054&GAID=14&DocTypeID=HB&SessionID=91&GA=100)

As much as I hate to say this once it hits that committee and nothing has happened for 2 weeks you mind as well consider it DOA.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dave069 on March 05, 2018, 09:25:35 PM
I heard its now 70 mph on I-90 west of Elmhurst Road and 60 between there and the Kennedy. Can anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on March 05, 2018, 09:29:45 PM
I heard its now 70 mph on I-90 west of Elmhurst Road and 60 between there and the Kennedy. Can anyone confirm this?
half-right.  still 55 from Elgin to the Kennedy
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on March 05, 2018, 10:03:34 PM
I heard its now 70 mph on I-90 west of Elmhurst Road and 60 between there and the Kennedy. Can anyone confirm this?

Nope. 70 west of Randall, 55 east.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on March 05, 2018, 10:07:37 PM
I heard its now 70 mph on I-90 west of Elmhurst Road and 60 between there and the Kennedy. Can anyone confirm this?
half-right.  still 55 from Elgin to the Kennedy

I'm assuming ithsa still working on the signage?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on March 06, 2018, 05:38:56 AM
I heard its now 70 mph on I-90 west of Elmhurst Road and 60 between there and the Kennedy. Can anyone confirm this?
half-right.  still 55 from Elgin to the Kennedy
I'm assuming ithsa still working on the signage?
I'm sure they got guys thinking of the concept right now.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dave069 on March 06, 2018, 06:03:23 PM
Per this website, it is supposed to be 60 east of Des Plaines and 70 west of it.

ftp://www.ilga.gov/JCAR/AdminCode/092/092025200D04100R.html
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on March 06, 2018, 07:04:13 PM
Per this website, it is supposed to be 60 east of Des Plaines and 70 west of it.

ftp://www.ilga.gov/JCAR/AdminCode/092/092025200D04100R.html
You'll see those updated sometime next century.  Because Chicago.  ISTHA won't move on that.

Add to the fact that the differing speed limits exist for other various configurations (trailers, buses, trucks) in that area - that gives ISTHA incentive to say "fuck it, everyone shall go 55".  Doesn't matter in the long run anyway - nobody is obeying speed limits so what's the real sign?

(http://www.ssoworld.org/pics/Speed_Limit_match_traffic.png)

Not bad for a quick whip-up.  :bigass:
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on March 06, 2018, 07:50:21 PM
Per this website, it is supposed to be 60 east of Des Plaines and 70 west of it.

ftp://www.ilga.gov/JCAR/AdminCode/092/092025200D04100R.html
You'll see those updated sometime next century.  Because Chicago.  ISTHA won't move on that.

Add to the fact that the differing speed limits exist for other various configurations (trailers, buses, trucks) in that area - that gives ISTHA incentive to say "fuck it, everyone shall go 55".  Doesn't matter in the long run anyway - nobody is obeying speed limits so what's the real sign?

(http://www.ssoworld.org/pics/Speed_Limit_match_traffic.png)

Not bad for a quick whip-up.  :bigass:

What does Chicago have to do with it? Jane Adams isn't ever in Chicago
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on March 06, 2018, 09:11:15 PM
Per this website, it is supposed to be 60 east of Des Plaines and 70 west of it.

ftp://www.ilga.gov/JCAR/AdminCode/092/092025200D04100R.html
You'll see those updated sometime next century.  Because Chicago.  ISTHA won't move on that.

Add to the fact that the differing speed limits exist for other various configurations (trailers, buses, trucks) in that area - that gives ISTHA incentive to say "fuck it, everyone shall go 55".  Doesn't matter in the long run anyway - nobody is obeying speed limits so what's the real sign?

(http://www.ssoworld.org/pics/Speed_Limit_match_traffic.png)

Not bad for a quick whip-up.  :bigass:

What does Chicago have to do with it? Jane Adams isn't ever in Chicago
The area (the 6 counties surrounding Chicago - Lake, Will, DuPage, Kane, and Cook) are influenced politically by the city's corruption - and it shows.  Ask Brandon.

Cook County (which Chicago is in) only has one small stretch of freeway with a speed greater than 60 mph. - I-57 south of I-80 - and that is 65.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on March 06, 2018, 09:24:15 PM
Per this website, it is supposed to be 60 east of Des Plaines and 70 west of it.

ftp://www.ilga.gov/JCAR/AdminCode/092/092025200D04100R.html
You'll see those updated sometime next century.  Because Chicago.  ISTHA won't move on that.

Add to the fact that the differing speed limits exist for other various configurations (trailers, buses, trucks) in that area - that gives ISTHA incentive to say "fuck it, everyone shall go 55".  Doesn't matter in the long run anyway - nobody is obeying speed limits so what's the real sign?

(http://www.ssoworld.org/pics/Speed_Limit_match_traffic.png)

Not bad for a quick whip-up.  :bigass:

What does Chicago have to do with it? Jane Adams isn't ever in Chicago
The area (the 6 counties surrounding Chicago - Lake, Will, DuPage, Kane, and Cook) are influenced politically by the city's corruption - and it shows.  Ask Brandon.

Cook County (which Chicago is in) only has one small stretch of freeway with a speed greater than 60 mph. - I-57 south of I-80 - and that is 65.

You're trying to hard coming up with conspiracy theories. I'd argue that given the population density and therefore the traffic that comes along with it, going faster than 60 mph on the vast majority of cook county highways isn't even feasible for long periods of time.

I simply cannot fathom that the 85th percentile of traffic is moving faster than 60 mph on the ike, dan ryan, edens, or the kennedy throughout the day (even though the speed limit is 55 mph)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: quickshade on March 06, 2018, 09:33:26 PM
That speed limit went into effect Dec. 27th. I'm sure they just haven't put up new signage yet because of the weather. The 55 speed limit was because of ongoing construction on I90. Now that it is all wrapped up it'll change over fast.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: abefroman329 on March 07, 2018, 10:24:05 AM
I feel like, traveling from Chicago to points west, the speed limit went up to 70 much sooner when I traveled that stretch in 2014 than it did when I traveled that stretch in the fall.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on March 07, 2018, 11:16:57 AM
Per this website, it is supposed to be 60 east of Des Plaines and 70 west of it.

ftp://www.ilga.gov/JCAR/AdminCode/092/092025200D04100R.html
You'll see those updated sometime next century.  Because Chicago.  ISTHA won't move on that.

Add to the fact that the differing speed limits exist for other various configurations (trailers, buses, trucks) in that area - that gives ISTHA incentive to say "fuck it, everyone shall go 55".  Doesn't matter in the long run anyway - nobody is obeying speed limits so what's the real sign?

(http://www.ssoworld.org/pics/Speed_Limit_match_traffic.png)

Not bad for a quick whip-up.  :bigass:

What does Chicago have to do with it? Jane Adams isn't ever in Chicago
The area (the 6 counties surrounding Chicago - Lake, Will, DuPage, Kane, and Cook) are influenced politically by the city's corruption - and it shows.  Ask Brandon.

Cook County (which Chicago is in) only has one small stretch of freeway with a speed greater than 60 mph. - I-57 south of I-80 - and that is 65.

You're trying to hard coming up with conspiracy theories. I'd argue that given the population density and therefore the traffic that comes along with it, going faster than 60 mph on the vast majority of cook county highways isn't even feasible for long periods of time.

I simply cannot fathom that the 85th percentile of traffic is moving faster than 60 mph on the ike, dan ryan, edens, or the kennedy throughout the day (even though the speed limit is 55 mph)

Nope, not until after 8pm. Mon through Sat. Sunday AM and holidays are the only days you can go 60+ on those freeways
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on March 07, 2018, 01:47:39 PM
Kennedy daytime speed averages around 10 mph on a typical day
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dave069 on March 07, 2018, 06:08:25 PM
Per this website, it is supposed to be 60 east of Des Plaines and 70 west of it.

ftp://www.ilga.gov/JCAR/AdminCode/092/092025200D04100R.html
You'll see those updated sometime next century.  Because Chicago.  ISTHA won't move on that.

Add to the fact that the differing speed limits exist for other various configurations (trailers, buses, trucks) in that area - that gives ISTHA incentive to say "fuck it, everyone shall go 55".  Doesn't matter in the long run anyway - nobody is obeying speed limits so what's the real sign?

(http://www.ssoworld.org/pics/Speed_Limit_match_traffic.png)

Not bad for a quick whip-up.  :bigass:

What does Chicago have to do with it? Jane Adams isn't ever in Chicago
The area (the 6 counties surrounding Chicago - Lake, Will, DuPage, Kane, and Cook) are influenced politically by the city's corruption - and it shows.  Ask Brandon.

Cook County (which Chicago is in) only has one small stretch of freeway with a speed greater than 60 mph. - I-57 south of I-80 - and that is 65.

I-80 west of I-57 is also 65. I also thought I-57 was only 65 between US 30 and the Will County Line. Has that been extended all the way to I-80? The 70 mph zone on I-355 nips a corner of Cook County as well if that counts.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on March 07, 2018, 07:21:27 PM
It's been a while since I've last been on I-57 ;)

but now that you said it you're more accurate than I. 

How far south of I-55 is that 70 zone?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on March 07, 2018, 07:41:59 PM
It's been a while since I've last been on I-57 ;)

but now that you said it you're more accurate than I. 

How far south of I-55 is that 70 zone?

On I-355, it starts right at mp 12.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on March 07, 2018, 07:47:18 PM
Then the statement's accurate on I-355 - ironically, that's through an exclave of the county that jutts out in between Will and DuPage Counties
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: abefroman329 on March 08, 2018, 11:13:49 AM
Per this website, it is supposed to be 60 east of Des Plaines and 70 west of it.

ftp://www.ilga.gov/JCAR/AdminCode/092/092025200D04100R.html
You'll see those updated sometime next century.  Because Chicago.  ISTHA won't move on that.

Add to the fact that the differing speed limits exist for other various configurations (trailers, buses, trucks) in that area - that gives ISTHA incentive to say "fuck it, everyone shall go 55".  Doesn't matter in the long run anyway - nobody is obeying speed limits so what's the real sign?

(http://www.ssoworld.org/pics/Speed_Limit_match_traffic.png)

Not bad for a quick whip-up.  :bigass:

What does Chicago have to do with it? Jane Adams isn't ever in Chicago
The area (the 6 counties surrounding Chicago - Lake, Will, DuPage, Kane, and Cook) are influenced politically by the city's corruption - and it shows.  Ask Brandon.

Cook County (which Chicago is in) only has one small stretch of freeway with a speed greater than 60 mph. - I-57 south of I-80 - and that is 65.

You're trying to hard coming up with conspiracy theories. I'd argue that given the population density and therefore the traffic that comes along with it, going faster than 60 mph on the vast majority of cook county highways isn't even feasible for long periods of time.

I simply cannot fathom that the 85th percentile of traffic is moving faster than 60 mph on the ike, dan ryan, edens, or the kennedy throughout the day (even though the speed limit is 55 mph)

Nope, not until after 8pm. Mon through Sat. Sunday AM and holidays are the only days you can go 60+ on those freeways

I think the Edens is a bit of an outlier.  When I reverse-commute from Rogers Park to Riverwoods, I can go 60+ on the Edens on the way to work, provided I leave the house by 7 am.  Coming home, usually not unless I leave before 4.  And provided you're traveling north of, say, Petersen, you can go 60+ quite easily in the middle of the day.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on March 16, 2018, 03:15:12 PM
I-88 is getting another resurfacing from Rochelle to Sugar Grove, only 5-6 years after the last one
https://www.cityofdekalb.com/DocumentCenter/View/7374 (https://www.cityofdekalb.com/DocumentCenter/View/7374)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: mrsman on March 16, 2018, 06:29:43 PM

I think the Edens is a bit of an outlier.  When I reverse-commute from Rogers Park to Riverwoods, I can go 60+ on the Edens on the way to work, provided I leave the house by 7 am.  Coming home, usually not unless I leave before 4.  And provided you're traveling north of, say, Petersen, you can go 60+ quite easily in the middle of the day.

The Edens is unique as it is a spur off the Kennedy.  The Kennedy inbound from the Edens Jct is overloaded because it simply does not have enough lanes to cover the traffic from both the Kennedy (beyond the Jct) and the Edens.  When the express lanes are traveling in your direction, the number of lanes match, but traffic is of course busier as you get closer to the loop and when the express lanes are closed/opposite direction you don't have enough lanes.

The outbound Kennedy from the loop is mostly 4 lanes during the morning peak.  It widens to 6 lanes before the split.  3 lanes to the Edens and 3 lanes to the Kennedy.  But assuming that the traffic from the loop splits evenly, and that is a reasonably good assumption, you have 2 lanes of moving traffic (1/2 of the 4 lanes) with 3 lanes of highway to use.  So unless the road is overloaded or there is some accident blocking lanes you have a lot of spare capacity and traffic moves well for you.  Moreover, a lot of the thru traffic heading from Indiana to Milwaukee is taking the Tri-State instead, especially if they want to bypass the brutal morning commute on the northbound Dan Ryan so the problems on the Dan Ryan translate into a free-flowing Edens.

But in the afternoon, this is not the case.  The Edens merging into the Kennedy and not enough lanes to handle the traffic means congestion, even in the direction  opposite primary traffic.  Plus, there is more afternoon commuting into the city than morning commuting into the suburbs as people plan evenings out in town to go to a movie, a restaurant, a sports game, etc.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on March 16, 2018, 08:07:00 PM

I think the Edens is a bit of an outlier.  When I reverse-commute from Rogers Park to Riverwoods, I can go 60+ on the Edens on the way to work, provided I leave the house by 7 am.  Coming home, usually not unless I leave before 4.  And provided you're traveling north of, say, Petersen, you can go 60+ quite easily in the middle of the day.

The Edens is unique as it is a spur off the Kennedy.  The Kennedy inbound from the Edens Jct is overloaded because it simply does not have enough lanes to cover the traffic from both the Kennedy (beyond the Jct) and the Edens.  When the express lanes are traveling in your direction, the number of lanes match, but traffic is of course busier as you get closer to the loop and when the express lanes are closed/opposite direction you don't have enough lanes.

The outbound Kennedy from the loop is mostly 4 lanes during the morning peak.  It widens to 6 lanes before the split.  3 lanes to the Edens and 3 lanes to the Kennedy.  But assuming that the traffic from the loop splits evenly, and that is a reasonably good assumption, you have 2 lanes of moving traffic (1/2 of the 4 lanes) with 3 lanes of highway to use.  So unless the road is overloaded or there is some accident blocking lanes you have a lot of spare capacity and traffic moves well for you.  Moreover, a lot of the thru traffic heading from Indiana to Milwaukee is taking the Tri-State instead, especially if they want to bypass the brutal morning commute on the northbound Dan Ryan so the problems on the Dan Ryan translate into a free-flowing Edens.

But in the afternoon, this is not the case.  The Edens merging into the Kennedy and not enough lanes to handle the traffic means congestion, even in the direction  opposite primary traffic.  Plus, there is more afternoon commuting into the city than morning commuting into the suburbs as people plan evenings out in town to go to a movie, a restaurant, a sports game, etc.

The issue is that the reversible express system is simply obsolete, and has been for some time. If one were to look at the ROW on the Kennedy, they could easily convert it to 5 lanes comfortably in each direction (potentially 6 with little to no extra ROW needed, though possibly with a slightly narrower median). This would fix a lot of the inbound issues on the Edens (and Kennedy) at this spot. Outbound Kennedy prior to the junction would remain an issue both morning and night because of backups due to the idiotic short on-ramp merges on the Kennedy side after the split (looking at you area around the Nagle and Harlem Ave interchanges). As for the Edens, getting back on the topic of Illinois Tollway notes, I truly hope that the Tollway will do something about the EB I-94 Merge from the Spur onto the main Edens when they do their planned reconstruction of the spur... of course, this would require (gasp) IDOT to cooperate with them for once.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on March 16, 2018, 08:10:05 PM
I-88 is getting another resurfacing from Rochelle to Sugar Grove, only 5-6 years after the last one
https://www.cityofdekalb.com/DocumentCenter/View/7374 (https://www.cityofdekalb.com/DocumentCenter/View/7374)

I thought I remember somewhere that they are in the midst of a semi-longer term rubblization conversion/project on I-88 West of Aurora. I wonder if this is part of it, though the Tollway website hasn't had the projects list yet updated for this year. At least they are trying to keep their roadways in decent condition unlike IDOT.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on March 16, 2018, 08:20:30 PM

I think the Edens is a bit of an outlier.  When I reverse-commute from Rogers Park to Riverwoods, I can go 60+ on the Edens on the way to work, provided I leave the house by 7 am.  Coming home, usually not unless I leave before 4.  And provided you're traveling north of, say, Petersen, you can go 60+ quite easily in the middle of the day.

The Edens is unique as it is a spur off the Kennedy.  The Kennedy inbound from the Edens Jct is overloaded because it simply does not have enough lanes to cover the traffic from both the Kennedy (beyond the Jct) and the Edens.  When the express lanes are traveling in your direction, the number of lanes match, but traffic is of course busier as you get closer to the loop and when the express lanes are closed/opposite direction you don't have enough lanes.

The outbound Kennedy from the loop is mostly 4 lanes during the morning peak.  It widens to 6 lanes before the split.  3 lanes to the Edens and 3 lanes to the Kennedy.  But assuming that the traffic from the loop splits evenly, and that is a reasonably good assumption, you have 2 lanes of moving traffic (1/2 of the 4 lanes) with 3 lanes of highway to use.  So unless the road is overloaded or there is some accident blocking lanes you have a lot of spare capacity and traffic moves well for you.  Moreover, a lot of the thru traffic heading from Indiana to Milwaukee is taking the Tri-State instead, especially if they want to bypass the brutal morning commute on the northbound Dan Ryan so the problems on the Dan Ryan translate into a free-flowing Edens.

But in the afternoon, this is not the case.  The Edens merging into the Kennedy and not enough lanes to handle the traffic means congestion, even in the direction  opposite primary traffic.  Plus, there is more afternoon commuting into the city than morning commuting into the suburbs as people plan evenings out in town to go to a movie, a restaurant, a sports game, etc.

The issue is that the reversible express system is simply obsolete, and has been for some time. If one were to look at the ROW on the Kennedy, they could easily convert it to 5 lanes comfortably in each direction (potentially 6 with little to no extra ROW needed, though possibly with a slightly narrower median). This would fix a lot of the inbound issues on the Edens (and Kennedy) at this spot. Outbound Kennedy prior to the junction would remain an issue both morning and night because of backups due to the idiotic short on-ramp merges on the Kennedy side after the split (looking at you area around the Nagle and Harlem Ave interchanges). As for the Edens, getting back on the topic of Illinois Tollway notes, I truly hope that the Tollway will do something about the EB I-94 Merge from the Spur onto the main Edens when they do their planned reconstruction of the spur... of course, this would require (gasp) IDOT to cooperate with them for once.
They are widening till Harlem now the power house? for the CTA is in the way. After Harlem seems to be room for widening / or at the very least aux lanes. At milwaukee no room
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on March 16, 2018, 08:41:48 PM

I think the Edens is a bit of an outlier.  When I reverse-commute from Rogers Park to Riverwoods, I can go 60+ on the Edens on the way to work, provided I leave the house by 7 am.  Coming home, usually not unless I leave before 4.  And provided you're traveling north of, say, Petersen, you can go 60+ quite easily in the middle of the day.

The Edens is unique as it is a spur off the Kennedy.  The Kennedy inbound from the Edens Jct is overloaded because it simply does not have enough lanes to cover the traffic from both the Kennedy (beyond the Jct) and the Edens.  When the express lanes are traveling in your direction, the number of lanes match, but traffic is of course busier as you get closer to the loop and when the express lanes are closed/opposite direction you don't have enough lanes.

The outbound Kennedy from the loop is mostly 4 lanes during the morning peak.  It widens to 6 lanes before the split.  3 lanes to the Edens and 3 lanes to the Kennedy.  But assuming that the traffic from the loop splits evenly, and that is a reasonably good assumption, you have 2 lanes of moving traffic (1/2 of the 4 lanes) with 3 lanes of highway to use.  So unless the road is overloaded or there is some accident blocking lanes you have a lot of spare capacity and traffic moves well for you.  Moreover, a lot of the thru traffic heading from Indiana to Milwaukee is taking the Tri-State instead, especially if they want to bypass the brutal morning commute on the northbound Dan Ryan so the problems on the Dan Ryan translate into a free-flowing Edens.

But in the afternoon, this is not the case.  The Edens merging into the Kennedy and not enough lanes to handle the traffic means congestion, even in the direction  opposite primary traffic.  Plus, there is more afternoon commuting into the city than morning commuting into the suburbs as people plan evenings out in town to go to a movie, a restaurant, a sports game, etc.

The issue is that the reversible express system is simply obsolete, and has been for some time. If one were to look at the ROW on the Kennedy, they could easily convert it to 5 lanes comfortably in each direction (potentially 6 with little to no extra ROW needed, though possibly with a slightly narrower median). This would fix a lot of the inbound issues on the Edens (and Kennedy) at this spot. Outbound Kennedy prior to the junction would remain an issue both morning and night because of backups due to the idiotic short on-ramp merges on the Kennedy side after the split (looking at you area around the Nagle and Harlem Ave interchanges). As for the Edens, getting back on the topic of Illinois Tollway notes, I truly hope that the Tollway will do something about the EB I-94 Merge from the Spur onto the main Edens when they do their planned reconstruction of the spur... of course, this would require (gasp) IDOT to cooperate with them for once.
They are widening till Harlem now the power house? for the CTA is in the way. After Harlem seems to be room for widening / or at the very least aux lanes. At milwaukee no room

Even Auxiliary lanes where they can fit them on that portion of the Kennedy would greatly help. I am curious to see if this will fix the EB mess at the River Road Toll Plaza (jury is still very much out on that one). The WB portion really needs to be worked on next, For example, the entrance ramp WB between Nagle and Harlem has such a ridiculous short merge only to have an exit within feet of it again. That is one such example of a spot where they could slap in an auxiliary lane within a month (just some lighting relocation and such). The woes on the Kennedy are all the more highlighted now with the nice reconstruction done on the I-90 Tollway portion West of I-294. Again, IDOT looking pretty bad compared to the Tollway now.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: brad on March 16, 2018, 10:54:53 PM
I-88 is getting another resurfacing from Rochelle to Sugar Grove, only 5-6 years after the last one
https://www.cityofdekalb.com/DocumentCenter/View/7374 (https://www.cityofdekalb.com/DocumentCenter/View/7374)

I thought I remember somewhere that they are in the midst of a semi-longer term rubblization conversion/project on I-88 West of Aurora. I wonder if this is part of it, though the Tollway website hasn't had the projects list yet updated for this year. At least they are trying to keep their roadways in decent condition unlike IDOT.

Is this a joke? That road is fine. Does the Illinois Tollway really have nothing better to do with all the money they have? F Illinois.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on March 18, 2018, 06:29:05 PM
I-88 is getting another resurfacing from Rochelle to Sugar Grove, only 5-6 years after the last one
https://www.cityofdekalb.com/DocumentCenter/View/7374 (https://www.cityofdekalb.com/DocumentCenter/View/7374)

I thought I remember somewhere that they are in the midst of a semi-longer term rubblization conversion/project on I-88 West of Aurora. I wonder if this is part of it, though the Tollway website hasn't had the projects list yet updated for this year. At least they are trying to keep their roadways in decent condition unlike IDOT.

Is this a joke? That road is fine. Does the Illinois Tollway really have nothing better to do with all the money they have? F Illinois.

I could very well be mistaken on that, so don't hold me to it. I just thought I recalled something along those lines. If I am mistaken, someone please correct me.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: cwm1276 on March 18, 2018, 08:59:32 PM
Found the 88 resurfacing details
https://www.illinoistollway.com/projects/reagan/roadway-resurfacing-bridge-repairs
Sounds like what they did betweeh Rochelle and Rock Falls with drainage and crash investigation pull offs.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on March 18, 2018, 10:39:39 PM
Found the 88 resurfacing details
https://www.illinoistollway.com/projects/reagan/roadway-resurfacing-bridge-repairs
Sounds like what they did betweeh Rochelle and Rock Falls with drainage and crash investigation pull offs.

lighting improvements huh?

Wouldn't be a bad idea from sugar grove to dekalb
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on March 18, 2018, 11:16:34 PM
Found the 88 resurfacing details
https://www.illinoistollway.com/projects/reagan/roadway-resurfacing-bridge-repairs
Sounds like what they did betweeh Rochelle and Rock Falls with drainage and crash investigation pull offs.

lighting improvements huh?

Wouldn't be a bad idea from sugar grove to dekalb

OK, how did you find the link to the project? They changed around the projects page a bit, but even then, all I could find were the links to the 2017 projects.

Also, I agree that I-88 could use some lighting improvements from Sugar Grove to DeKalb, though I doubt we'll see anything to the extent of what was done on I-90 in the foreseeable future for several reasons. Not to mention that a bigger priority for them would be to extend the continuous median lighting past the IL-59 interchange to at least Orchard Road.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: abefroman329 on March 20, 2018, 11:13:15 AM
As for the Edens, getting back on the topic of Illinois Tollway notes, I truly hope that the Tollway will do something about the EB I-94 Merge from the Spur onto the main Edens when they do their planned reconstruction of the spur... of course, this would require (gasp) IDOT to cooperate with them for once.

What is it that you'd like them to do?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on March 20, 2018, 09:19:08 PM
As for the Edens, getting back on the topic of Illinois Tollway notes, I truly hope that the Tollway will do something about the EB I-94 Merge from the Spur onto the main Edens when they do their planned reconstruction of the spur... of course, this would require (gasp) IDOT to cooperate with them for once.

What is it that you'd like them to do?

As far as an example of IDOT's lack of willingness to cooperate and actually improve an interchange along with the Tollway, see the I-90/I-290 interchange in Schaumburg. Sadly, despite the nice job on the rebuild on I-90, that interchange still has major problems on the I-290/IL 53 IDOT portion.

Regarding the EB Edens Spur merge onto the Edens mainline, obviously that abrupt lane drop just as you enter the merge can cause backups for over a mile if you are driving through there anytime after 4pm M-F. Sadly, the lane drop is necessitated because of the very short merge on the actual Edens for this ramp. In order to eliminate this lane drop, IDOT would actually have to extend an auxiliary lane or two for a reasonable distance on the Edens. Sadly, though, in thinking about it, I fear that all this would do is move the backup further down much in the way that the updates to the Hillside Strangler did. I'm not too sure what is the perfect solution here, but in order for anything to be figured out, IDOT would need to actually coordinate with the Tollway and make improvements on their portion.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: cwm1276 on March 21, 2018, 08:24:40 PM
Found the 88 resurfacing details
https://www.illinoistollway.com/projects/reagan/roadway-resurfacing-bridge-repairs
Sounds like what they did betweeh Rochelle and Rock Falls with drainage and crash investigation pull offs.

lighting improvements huh?

Wouldn't be a bad idea from sugar grove to dekalb

OK, how did you find the link to the project? They changed around the projects page a bit, but even then, all I could find were the links to the 2017 projects.

Also, I agree that I-88 could use some lighting improvements from Sugar Grove to DeKalb, though I doubt we'll see anything to the extent of what was done on I-90 in the foreseeable future for several reasons. Not to mention that a bigger priority for them would be to extend the continuous median lighting past the IL-59 interchange to at least Orchard Road.
Use the map, the cones are links to new projects.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on March 21, 2018, 11:13:07 PM
Found the 88 resurfacing details
https://www.illinoistollway.com/projects/reagan/roadway-resurfacing-bridge-repairs
Sounds like what they did betweeh Rochelle and Rock Falls with drainage and crash investigation pull offs.

lighting improvements huh?

Wouldn't be a bad idea from sugar grove to dekalb

OK, how did you find the link to the project? They changed around the projects page a bit, but even then, all I could find were the links to the 2017 projects.

Also, I agree that I-88 could use some lighting improvements from Sugar Grove to DeKalb, though I doubt we'll see anything to the extent of what was done on I-90 in the foreseeable future for several reasons. Not to mention that a bigger priority for them would be to extend the continuous median lighting past the IL-59 interchange to at least Orchard Road.
Use the map, the cones are links to new projects.

I appreciate the info.

It looks like some significant repairs are planned for I-355 I noticed, including some widening, resurfacing, ramp repairs, and lighting upgrades. That is good because this tollway is starting to show its age in some spots a bit.

Also, it looks like the repairs to the Edens Spur will begin this year. Hopefully, they'll provide more info on that page soon.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on March 22, 2018, 12:18:56 AM
Looks like a speed limit increase is coming up on I-90 between Randall and at least Elmhurst, if not the Kennedy. There's a lot of covered up signs along the route right after entrances and a speed limit ahead sign EB around Elmhurst. Hopefully it's raised to 70 and not 60 or 65.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dave069 on March 22, 2018, 02:48:32 PM
It is supposed to be 70 between Randall and Elmhurst, and 60 between Elmhurst and the Kennedy.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on March 23, 2018, 12:41:52 PM
It is supposed to be 70 between Randall and Elmhurst, and 60 between Elmhurst and the Kennedy.

Have they announced when this goes into effect?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on March 23, 2018, 01:41:08 PM
It is supposed to be 70 between Randall and Elmhurst, and 60 between Elmhurst and the Kennedy.
next
ALL trucks / buses same as cars
I-490 needs to be 60
IL-390 60
I-294 central needs to be 60 and 65-70 after rebuild also work zone 45 very limited
I-94 (toll WI line to I-294) 70
I-294 other parts 65
I-88 I-294 to I-355 60-65 I-355 to end 70
I-355 (free zone) 60-65
I-355 tolled 65-70
I-290 I-355 to IL-390 60
I-290 I-355 to I-294 60
IL-53 / I-XXX  I-90 to lake cook 60-65
IL-53 / I-XXX lake cook to IL-120 toll / I-XXX 70
IL-120 toll / I-XXX us-12 to US-41 70
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Crash_It on March 24, 2018, 02:42:11 PM
It is supposed to be 70 between Randall and Elmhurst, and 60 between Elmhurst and the Kennedy.
next
ALL trucks / buses same as cars
I-490 needs to be 60
IL-390 60
I-294 central needs to be 60 and 65-70 after rebuild also work zone 45 very limited
I-94 (toll WI line to I-294) 70
I-294 other parts 65
I-88 I-294 to I-355 60-65 I-355 to end 70
I-355 (free zone) 60-65
I-355 tolled 65-70
I-290 I-355 to IL-390 60
I-290 I-355 to I-294 60
IL-53 / I-XXX  I-90 to lake cook 60-65
IL-53 / I-XXX lake cook to IL-120 toll / I-XXX 70
IL-120 toll / I-XXX us-12 to US-41 70


As far as I know I 290 is already 60 from 355 to 390.
What also needs to happen

US41 from park ave to I94 - 60
I94 Eden's junction to Touhy - 65
I94 from Touhy to Kennedy Junction - 60
I94 (kingery) 65
I57 (outside Chicago city limits) 65
I55 (outside Chicago city limits) 65
US41 (North Lake Shore Drive) 45
US41 (South Lake Shore Drive) 50

The planned Grayslake bypass on IL120 is proposed to be a tollway? If so, this will be the third non interstate route to run on a tollway.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on March 26, 2018, 10:02:08 PM
https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/580106/2018_SpeedLimits_Cars%252CTrucks%252CBuses/6bca008a-586b-46ad-9f36-9105f2acc35e

The tollway authority has spoken, there is a(nother) 70 mph zone in Cook County!.

The 70 zone on I-90 has been pulled further in toward Chicago ending at just short of Arlington Heights Road interchange (MP 70) with a 60 mph limit all the way to the Kennedy. 

This confirms Dave069's post which I hotly but wrongly contested - https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17650.msg2309528.  The weight-class speed limit needs to go next, along with any 55 zones on the tri-state, kingery and borman. (make them 65 if not 70 please!)

Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on March 26, 2018, 10:12:51 PM
https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/580106/2018_SpeedLimits_Cars%252CTrucks%252CBuses/6bca008a-586b-46ad-9f36-9105f2acc35e

The tollway authority has spoken, there is a(nother) 70 mph zone in Cook County!.

The 70 zone on I-90 has been pulled further in toward Chicago ending at just short of Arlington Heights Road interchange (MP 70) with a 60 mph limit all the way to the Kennedy. 

This confirms Dave069's post which I hotly but wrongly contested - https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17650.msg2309528.  The weight-class speed limit needs to go next, along with any 55 zones on the tri-state, kingery and borman. (make them 65 if not 70 please!)

Well, it'll actually match the speed of the traffic in that stretch now! Absolutely agreed on the 55 zones need to go, especially on the Central Tri-State. Also, can someone PLEASE tell IDOT to make the Northern End of I-355 60 at least? That's so stupid that it's 60, drops to 55 (speed trap), and then back to 60 all within 3 miles or so.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on March 27, 2018, 05:47:02 AM
https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/580106/2018_SpeedLimits_Cars%252CTrucks%252CBuses/6bca008a-586b-46ad-9f36-9105f2acc35e

The tollway authority has spoken, there is a(nother) 70 mph zone in Cook County!.

The 70 zone on I-90 has been pulled further in toward Chicago ending at just short of Arlington Heights Road interchange (MP 70) with a 60 mph limit all the way to the Kennedy. 

This confirms Dave069's post which I hotly but wrongly contested - https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17650.msg2309528.  The weight-class speed limit needs to go next, along with any 55 zones on the tri-state, kingery and borman. (make them 65 if not 70 please!)

Well, it'll actually match the speed of the traffic in that stretch now! Absolutely agreed on the 55 zones need to go, especially on the Central Tri-State. Also, can someone PLEASE tell IDOT to make the Northern End of I-355 60 at least? That's so stupid that it's 60, drops to 55 (speed trap), and then back to 60 all within 3 miles or so.

The northern end of I-355 is weird in that regard.  The last northbound speed limit sign before I-290 is 60 mph.  However, there is a 55 mph sign southbound at Lake Street.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: abefroman329 on March 27, 2018, 09:08:34 AM
I94 Eden's junction to Touhy - 65
I94 from Touhy to Kennedy Junction - 60

That's faster than I'd be comfortable traveling on those stretches of the Edens, and as pointed out elsewhere, there aren't many hours of the day when you can travel that fast anyway.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dave069 on March 27, 2018, 06:31:16 PM
https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/580106/2018_SpeedLimits_Cars%252CTrucks%252CBuses/6bca008a-586b-46ad-9f36-9105f2acc35e

The tollway authority has spoken, there is a(nother) 70 mph zone in Cook County!.

The 70 zone on I-90 has been pulled further in toward Chicago ending at just short of Arlington Heights Road interchange (MP 70) with a 60 mph limit all the way to the Kennedy. 

This confirms Dave069's post which I hotly but wrongly contested - https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17650.msg2309528.  The weight-class speed limit needs to go next, along with any 55 zones on the tri-state, kingery and borman. (make them 65 if not 70 please!)

Glad they finally did it! I would like to see the weight class speed limit and the 55 zones go too, but I don't think the odds of that happening are particularly high.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on March 27, 2018, 06:44:36 PM
https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/580106/2018_SpeedLimits_Cars%252CTrucks%252CBuses/6bca008a-586b-46ad-9f36-9105f2acc35e

The tollway authority has spoken, there is a(nother) 70 mph zone in Cook County!.

The 70 zone on I-90 has been pulled further in toward Chicago ending at just short of Arlington Heights Road interchange (MP 70) with a 60 mph limit all the way to the Kennedy. 

This confirms Dave069's post which I hotly but wrongly contested - https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17650.msg2309528.  The weight-class speed limit needs to go next, along with any 55 zones on the tri-state, kingery and borman. (make them 65 if not 70 please!)

Glad they finally did it! I would like to see the weight class speed limit and the 55 zones go too, but I don't think the odds of that happening are particularly high.
Yeah because Chicago/Cook County.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Crash_It on March 28, 2018, 06:38:13 PM
I94 Eden's junction to Touhy - 65
I94 from Touhy to Kennedy Junction - 60

That's faster than I'd be comfortable traveling on those stretches of the Edens, and as pointed out elsewhere, there aren't many hours of the day when you can travel that fast anyway.

That's why I said up to Touhy, that's where it starts bogging down. However before then you can go 60-65 pretty reliably. I don't do it though.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: johndoe780 on March 28, 2018, 11:14:33 PM
https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/580106/2018_SpeedLimits_Cars%252CTrucks%252CBuses/6bca008a-586b-46ad-9f36-9105f2acc35e

The tollway authority has spoken, there is a(nother) 70 mph zone in Cook County!.

The 70 zone on I-90 has been pulled further in toward Chicago ending at just short of Arlington Heights Road interchange (MP 70) with a 60 mph limit all the way to the Kennedy. 

This confirms Dave069's post which I hotly but wrongly contested - https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17650.msg2309528.  The weight-class speed limit needs to go next, along with any 55 zones on the tri-state, kingery and borman. (make them 65 if not 70 please!)

Glad they finally did it! I would like to see the weight class speed limit and the 55 zones go too, but I don't think the odds of that happening are particularly high.
Yeah because Chicago/Cook County.

http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20180328/speed-limit-now-70-on-i-90-from-mount-prospect-to-elgin#autoplay
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: JREwing78 on March 29, 2018, 12:34:00 AM
Excellent. One less stretch of underposted freeway in the Chicagoland.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Crash_It on March 29, 2018, 12:35:53 AM
https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/580106/2018_SpeedLimits_Cars%252CTrucks%252CBuses/6bca008a-586b-46ad-9f36-9105f2acc35e

The tollway authority has spoken, there is a(nother) 70 mph zone in Cook County!.

The 70 zone on I-90 has been pulled further in toward Chicago ending at just short of Arlington Heights Road interchange (MP 70) with a 60 mph limit all the way to the Kennedy. 

This confirms Dave069's post which I hotly but wrongly contested - https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17650.msg2309528.  The weight-class speed limit needs to go next, along with any 55 zones on the tri-state, kingery and borman. (make them 65 if not 70 please!)

Glad they finally did it! I would like to see the weight class speed limit and the 55 zones go too, but I don't think the odds of that happening are particularly high.
Yeah because Chicago/Cook County.

http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20180328/speed-limit-now-70-on-i-90-from-mount-prospect-to-elgin#autoplay

I'll echo the same thing I said on the article, hopefully enforcement is beefed up as well. There's always some idiot that will tailgate and weave every lane to try and go faster.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dave069 on March 30, 2018, 01:34:01 AM
I drove it tonight and didn't notice any change in traffic. Seeing that first 70 mph sign at the oasis was truly amazing.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on March 30, 2018, 10:27:23 PM
This morning when I was driving along I-294 on my way to O'Hare, I noticed that some of the message board signs were saying, "Trucks use the right two lanes"... I thought that was pretty interesting because truckers always hog the lane that is illegal to the truckers...  :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on April 06, 2018, 10:10:46 PM
Surprised no one has posted about the "Tri-County Access Project" study which the IL 53 Extension study turned into.

Link to study website (http://tricountyaccess.org/)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on April 06, 2018, 11:17:49 PM
Surprised no one has posted about the "Tri-County Access Project" study which the IL 53 Extension study turned into.

Link to study website (http://tricountyaccess.org/)
as well as Kenosha County. FAP 420??
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on April 08, 2018, 11:13:11 AM
Surprised no one has posted about the "Tri-County Access Project" study which the IL 53 Extension study turned into.

Link to study website (http://tricountyaccess.org/)
as well as Kenosha County. FAP 420??

The seems to have been a bit embedded within the Tollway website. However, this is interesting to see a timeline on this study. It is long needed, and I would hope that this could be the definitive, "once and for all" decision. Plain and simply, IL 53 needs to be extended, and IL 120 needs improvement. FAP 420 would, in my opinion, have benefits that far outweigh the costs, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on April 09, 2018, 09:36:25 AM
Looks like we have some action in terms of I-490/390. Sound barriers have begun to go up along York Road on the west side of the road and demarcations of ramp extensions have started to get outlined with some land leveling for roadway/piers
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Beltway on April 10, 2018, 02:47:39 PM
The outbound Kennedy from the loop is mostly 4 lanes during the morning peak.  It widens to 6 lanes before the split.  3 lanes to the Edens and 3 lanes to the Kennedy.  But assuming that the traffic from the loop splits evenly, and that is a reasonably good assumption, you have 2 lanes of moving traffic (1/2 of the 4 lanes) with 3 lanes of highway to use.  So unless the road is overloaded or there is some accident blocking lanes you have a lot of spare capacity and traffic moves well for you.  Moreover, a lot of the thru traffic heading from Indiana to Milwaukee is taking the Tri-State instead, especially if they want to bypass the brutal morning commute on the northbound Dan Ryan so the problems on the Dan Ryan translate into a free-flowing Edens.

Kennedy with the reversibles has 6 lanes in the direction of peak period traffic.  Dan Ryan has 7 lanes each way.  The highway narrows down to 4 lanes each way thru the downtown, an obvious functional bottleneck.  I have wondered since the 1970s why that hasn't been widened to at least 6 lanes each way.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on April 10, 2018, 04:14:57 PM
The outbound Kennedy from the loop is mostly 4 lanes during the morning peak.  It widens to 6 lanes before the split.  3 lanes to the Edens and 3 lanes to the Kennedy.  But assuming that the traffic from the loop splits evenly, and that is a reasonably good assumption, you have 2 lanes of moving traffic (1/2 of the 4 lanes) with 3 lanes of highway to use.  So unless the road is overloaded or there is some accident blocking lanes you have a lot of spare capacity and traffic moves well for you.  Moreover, a lot of the thru traffic heading from Indiana to Milwaukee is taking the Tri-State instead, especially if they want to bypass the brutal morning commute on the northbound Dan Ryan so the problems on the Dan Ryan translate into a free-flowing Edens.

Kennedy with the reversibles has 6 lanes in the direction of peak period traffic.  Dan Ryan has 7 lanes each way.  The highway narrows down to 4 lanes each way thru the downtown, an obvious functional bottleneck.  I have wondered since the 1970s why that hasn't been widened to at least 6 lanes each way.

Too many interchanges in that stretch is probably my guess
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: abefroman329 on April 10, 2018, 04:58:42 PM
The outbound Kennedy from the loop is mostly 4 lanes during the morning peak.  It widens to 6 lanes before the split.  3 lanes to the Edens and 3 lanes to the Kennedy.  But assuming that the traffic from the loop splits evenly, and that is a reasonably good assumption, you have 2 lanes of moving traffic (1/2 of the 4 lanes) with 3 lanes of highway to use.  So unless the road is overloaded or there is some accident blocking lanes you have a lot of spare capacity and traffic moves well for you.  Moreover, a lot of the thru traffic heading from Indiana to Milwaukee is taking the Tri-State instead, especially if they want to bypass the brutal morning commute on the northbound Dan Ryan so the problems on the Dan Ryan translate into a free-flowing Edens.

Kennedy with the reversibles has 6 lanes in the direction of peak period traffic.  Dan Ryan has 7 lanes each way.  The highway narrows down to 4 lanes each way thru the downtown, an obvious functional bottleneck.  I have wondered since the 1970s why that hasn't been widened to at least 6 lanes each way.

Because it was difficult enough to get the land they needed to build it in its current configuration, let alone acquiring the land to add another 2 lanes in each direction.  Not to mention having to rebuild the overpass that runs from the Stevenson to just before the Eisenhower, the Metra bridge over the Kennedy, the Green Line bridge over the Kennedy...
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Beltway on April 10, 2018, 05:00:42 PM
Kennedy with the reversibles has 6 lanes in the direction of peak period traffic.  Dan Ryan has 7 lanes each way.  The highway narrows down to 4 lanes each way thru the downtown, an obvious functional bottleneck.  I have wondered since the 1970s why that hasn't been widened to at least 6 lanes each way.
Too many interchanges in that stretch is probably my guess

They need to eliminate some of the ramps, especially the left-hand ramps.  They could build a dual-divided design whereby the outer roadways have the ramp connections.  It would be expensive, would need to expand the right-of-way at least 70 feet on each side.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on April 10, 2018, 05:46:18 PM
The outbound Kennedy from the loop is mostly 4 lanes during the morning peak.  It widens to 6 lanes before the split.  3 lanes to the Edens and 3 lanes to the Kennedy.  But assuming that the traffic from the loop splits evenly, and that is a reasonably good assumption, you have 2 lanes of moving traffic (1/2 of the 4 lanes) with 3 lanes of highway to use.  So unless the road is overloaded or there is some accident blocking lanes you have a lot of spare capacity and traffic moves well for you.  Moreover, a lot of the thru traffic heading from Indiana to Milwaukee is taking the Tri-State instead, especially if they want to bypass the brutal morning commute on the northbound Dan Ryan so the problems on the Dan Ryan translate into a free-flowing Edens.

Kennedy with the reversibles has 6 lanes in the direction of peak period traffic.  Dan Ryan has 7 lanes each way.  The highway narrows down to 4 lanes each way thru the downtown, an obvious functional bottleneck.  I have wondered since the 1970s why that hasn't been widened to at least 6 lanes each way.

Because it was difficult enough to get the land they needed to build it in its current configuration, let alone acquiring the land to add another 2 lanes in each direction.  Not to mention having to rebuild the overpass that runs from the Stevenson to just before the Eisenhower, the Metra bridge over the Kennedy, the Green Line bridge over the Kennedy...

All for something that probably wouldn't fix the problem. I don't think there's really much that can be done to fix 90/94 from Montrose to 31st. Just too high of a volume.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Beltway on April 10, 2018, 10:00:04 PM
Kennedy with the reversibles has 6 lanes in the direction of peak period traffic.  Dan Ryan has 7 lanes each way.  The highway narrows down to 4 lanes each way thru the downtown, an obvious functional bottleneck.  I have wondered since the 1970s why that hasn't been widened to at least 6 lanes each way.
Because it was difficult enough to get the land they needed to build it in its current configuration, let alone acquiring the land to add another 2 lanes in each direction.  Not to mention having to rebuild the overpass that runs from the Stevenson to just before the Eisenhower, the Metra bridge over the Kennedy, the Green Line bridge over the Kennedy...
All for something that probably wouldn't fix the problem. I don't think there's really much that can be done to fix 90/94 from Montrose to 31st. Just too high of a volume.

Depends on the definition of "fix".  What it would do is match the designs of the lower Kennedy and upper Dan Ryan.  Should have been done 40 years ago.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: abefroman329 on April 11, 2018, 11:48:22 AM
Depends on the definition of "fix".  What it would do is match the designs of the lower Kennedy and upper Dan Ryan.  Should have been done 40 years ago.

I'm just going to state that it was much easier to obtain the land to run a 14-lane expressway through the South Side than it would have been to obtain the land to run a 14-lane expressway up the North Side and leave it at that.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Beltway on April 11, 2018, 04:24:12 PM
Depends on the definition of "fix".  What it would do is match the designs of the lower Kennedy and upper Dan Ryan.  Should have been done 40 years ago.
I'm just going to state that it was much easier to obtain the land to run a 14-lane expressway through the South Side than it would have been to obtain the land to run a 14-lane expressway up the North Side and leave it at that.

I would settle for 6 lanes each way thru the downtown.  It wasn't done at the outset, but it should have been done by now.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChimpOnTheWheel on April 15, 2018, 07:35:51 PM
Looks like we have some action in terms of I-490/390. Sound barriers have begun to go up along York Road on the west side of the road and demarcations of ramp extensions have started to get outlined with some land leveling for roadway/piers
Interesting!
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on April 16, 2018, 09:21:10 AM
Looks like we have some action in terms of I-490/390. Sound barriers have begun to go up along York Road on the west side of the road and demarcations of ramp extensions have started to get outlined with some land leveling for roadway/piers
Interesting!

Sound barriers might actually be for a new warehouse though, will have to see as time goes on with construction
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on April 16, 2018, 10:12:47 PM
It looks like some work on the Central Tri-State Rebuild/Widening will begin this year on the portion in Rosemont and Franklin Park. The link below and the Tollway website show that this has been added to the construction schedule. Personally, I am glad to see this as this stretch is a particular choke-point, especially for South Bound traffic. It's going to be a mess the next couple of years, but I am hopeful that this will help alleviate the chronic traffic backups that plague I-294 SB each afternoon. This site also highlights other Chicago Area projects.

http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20180416/construction-season-is-here-x2014-our-guide-to-surviving-it
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: skluth on April 18, 2018, 02:54:56 PM
Depends on the definition of "fix".  What it would do is match the designs of the lower Kennedy and upper Dan Ryan.  Should have been done 40 years ago.
I'm just going to state that it was much easier to obtain the land to run a 14-lane expressway through the South Side than it would have been to obtain the land to run a 14-lane expressway up the North Side and leave it at that.

I would settle for 6 lanes each way thru the downtown.  It wasn't done at the outset, but it should have been done by now.

I don't see where six lanes fits through those tunnels just south of the Ohio/Ontario connector
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Beltway on April 18, 2018, 04:55:16 PM
Depends on the definition of "fix".  What it would do is match the designs of the lower Kennedy and upper Dan Ryan.  Should have been done 40 years ago.
I'm just going to state that it was much easier to obtain the land to run a 14-lane expressway through the South Side than it would have been to obtain the land to run a 14-lane expressway up the North Side and leave it at that.
I would settle for 6 lanes each way thru the downtown.  It wasn't done at the outset, but it should have been done by now.
I don't see where six lanes fits through those tunnels just south of the Ohio/Ontario connector

They would need to be rebuilt.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on April 24, 2018, 10:12:56 PM
On the news tonight, they said the central Tri State rebuild will take roughly 6 years to complete. Why will this take 3x as long as the Jane Addams rebuild?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on April 24, 2018, 10:14:33 PM
On the news tonight, they said the central Tri State rebuild will take roughly 6 years to complete. Why will this take 3x as long as the Jane Addams rebuild?

It may be due to the Mile Long Bridge.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on April 24, 2018, 10:19:23 PM
On the news tonight, they said the central Tri State rebuild will take roughly 6 years to complete. Why will this take 3x as long as the Jane Addams rebuild?
They need to keep 4 lanes open most of the time also the that I-88/I-294/I-290 rebuild is big one.

Any one have high res scans of the plans?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on April 24, 2018, 11:54:38 PM
On the news tonight, they said the central Tri State rebuild will take roughly 6 years to complete. Why will this take 3x as long as the Jane Addams rebuild?
They need to keep 4 lanes open most of the time also the that I-88/I-294/I-290 rebuild is big one.

Any one have high res scans of the plans?

I think they are also going to do it in phases, starting this year. For instance, the portion near O'Hare is starting this year. It may also be to help manage the inevitable congestion nightmare that will come along with it.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on April 25, 2018, 12:16:51 AM
On the news tonight, they said the central Tri State rebuild will take roughly 6 years to complete. Why will this take 3x as long as the Jane Addams rebuild?
They need to keep 4 lanes open most of the time also the that I-88/I-294/I-290 rebuild is big one.

Any one have high res scans of the plans?

I think they are also going to do it in phases, starting this year. For instance, the portion near O'Hare is starting this year. It may also be to help manage the inevitable congestion nightmare that will come along with it.

And I-490 is being pushed first.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on April 25, 2018, 05:57:14 AM
On the news tonight, they said the central Tri State rebuild will take roughly 6 years to complete. Why will this take 3x as long as the Jane Addams rebuild?
They need to keep 4 lanes open most of the time also the that I-88/I-294/I-290 rebuild is big one.

Any one have high res scans of the plans?

I think they are also going to do it in phases, starting this year. For instance, the portion near O'Hare is starting this year. It may also be to help manage the inevitable congestion nightmare that will come along with it.

And I-490 is being pushed first.
Weren't there trains in the way of that?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on April 25, 2018, 08:36:39 AM
Looks like phases might be the longer term solution, but also makes sense considering traffic volumes. O'Hare section with I-490 (north end), Hillside Strangler (central), Mile Long Bridge/95th (south end) is my guess.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: quickshade on April 25, 2018, 09:15:07 PM
The Jane Adams rebuild took 4 years, so how is 6 years 3x as long???
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on April 26, 2018, 08:26:22 AM
The Jane Adams rebuild took 4 years, so how is 6 years 3x as long???

Technically wasn't it 7 or 8 years when you combined the western and eastern rebuilds? If that's the case, 6 years doesn't sound too horrid
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: tribar on April 26, 2018, 10:20:48 AM
The Jane Adams rebuild took 4 years, so how is 6 years 3x as long???

I was referring to the Randall-Tri State portion which is about the same length as the central Tri State.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SSOWorld on April 26, 2018, 05:57:23 PM
The Jane Adams rebuild took 4 years, so how is 6 years 3x as long???

I was referring to the Randall-Tri State portion which is about the same length as the central Tri State.
The entire highway took 3-4 years.  They rebuilt the Cherry Valley to Elgin portion over 14 and 15 and the Elgin to Tri-State portion over 15 and 16.  Several bridges were still being worked on into 17 and the Smart Road system was still being installed in 17.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on April 26, 2018, 10:26:30 PM
The entire highway took 3-4 years.  They rebuilt the Cherry Valley to Elgin portion over 14 and 15 and the Elgin to Tri-State portion over 15 and 16.  Several bridges were still being worked on into 17 and the Smart Road system was still being installed in 17.

They started many of the crossroad bridges a year prior to work on the mainline.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: cabiness42 on April 27, 2018, 08:54:16 AM
I'm not yet a year into my new commuting pattern so I don't know whether or not this is a seasonal pattern, but the backups on York/Ogden trying to get to the SB Tri-State in afternoon rush have gotten significantly worse in the past couple weeks.  Backups used to start on York about halfway between 31st and Ogden but now they're starting north of 31st.  I'm guessing the tollway is too afraid to try to eminent domain property in Oak Brook and that's why there's no entrance ramp from 22nd or 31st, but this is getting ridiculous.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on April 27, 2018, 11:31:49 AM
I'm not yet a year into my new commuting pattern so I don't know whether or not this is a seasonal pattern, but the backups on York/Ogden trying to get to the SB Tri-State in afternoon rush have gotten significantly worse in the past couple weeks.  Backups used to start on York about halfway between 31st and Ogden but now they're starting north of 31st.  I'm guessing the tollway is too afraid to try to eminent domain property in Oak Brook and that's why there's no entrance ramp from 22nd or 31st, but this is getting ridiculous.

More like ramp spacing / the need for tolled ramps is why there are not there.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on April 27, 2018, 12:29:19 PM
I'm not yet a year into my new commuting pattern so I don't know whether or not this is a seasonal pattern, but the backups on York/Ogden trying to get to the SB Tri-State in afternoon rush have gotten significantly worse in the past couple weeks.  Backups used to start on York about halfway between 31st and Ogden but now they're starting north of 31st.  I'm guessing the tollway is too afraid to try to eminent domain property in Oak Brook and that's why there's no entrance ramp from 22nd or 31st, but this is getting ridiculous.

Or people too cheap to go north and get on at Roosevelt.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: cabiness42 on April 27, 2018, 05:05:25 PM
I'm not yet a year into my new commuting pattern so I don't know whether or not this is a seasonal pattern, but the backups on York/Ogden trying to get to the SB Tri-State in afternoon rush have gotten significantly worse in the past couple weeks.  Backups used to start on York about halfway between 31st and Ogden but now they're starting north of 31st.  I'm guessing the tollway is too afraid to try to eminent domain property in Oak Brook and that's why there's no entrance ramp from 22nd or 31st, but this is getting ridiculous.

Or people too cheap to go north and get on at Roosevelt.

It's almost gotten bad enough on York that I may have to backtrack north to Roosevelt.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on April 30, 2018, 04:58:42 PM
Looks like I-355 will be getting a re-surfacing on the OG section, but also an additional lane between Butterfield and Roosevelt:

Work to prepare for the start of roadway resurfacing on the north end of the Veterans Memorial Tollway (I-355) in DuPage County is scheduled to begin this week.

Electronic message signs and construction signage will be put in place in advance to alert drivers to the start of road work, traffic patterns and work zone speed limits.

Weather permitting, on Thursday, April 26, between Army Trail Road and Butterfield Road, shoulder closures in both directions will be scheduled over the next two weeks to remove rumble strips and make shoulder repairs to prepare for traffic shifts during roadway resurfacing.

During the resurfacing work, traffic on I-355, traffic will be shifted to provide room for a work zone and safely accommodate traffic. Whenever possible, the Tollway uses traffic shifts and shoulders to keep as many lanes open during peak hours as were available before construction.

Roadway resurfacing work will include milling off four inches of asphalt pavement in both directions and replacing it with a new, four-inch asphalt overlay. Traffic will intermittently be driving on rough surfaces throughout the duration of construction.

In 2018, the Illinois Tollway has scheduled roadway, bridge and ramp work on throughout the Veterans Memorial Tollway (I-355). Between Army Trail Road and I-55, work includes resurfacing to provide a smoother riding surface for the traveling public, including widening of the roadway between Butterfield Road (Illinois Route 56) and Roosevelt Road (Illinois Route 38). In addition, roadway lighting, signage and guardrail improvements are scheduled, as well as retaining wall and noisewall work. All work is scheduled to be complete in summer 2019.

The improvements are funded by the Illinois Tollway’s 15-year, $14 billion capital program, Move Illinois: The Illinois Tollway Driving the Future.

Maps and construction information about the I-355 Roadway Resurfacing and Repair work is available on the Tollway’s website at Illinoistollway.com via the Interactive Tollway map and under “Projects Overview” in the Explore Projects section.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: edwaleni on May 07, 2018, 09:22:11 PM
You know I remember this fight back in 1977 when Long Grove thought their "way of life" was being destroyed by the IL-53 extension.  Lake County WAS pretty rural back in 1977, but has any of these NIMBY's checked Google Earth and seen what Lake County looks like now?

Negative impact to wetlands?  Excuse me, but I think the over 30+ sub divisions that have been built along the entire ROW has done more overall damage to the "wetlands" than a highway could ever produce. Lawn fertilizers, chlorine from leaking pools, back yard oil changers.

This road should have been done in 2007.

From the Chicago Tribune:

A Lake County environmental group on Thursday sued the Illinois State Toll Highway Authority to stop it from spending any more money to study an extension of Route 53.

The lawsuit, filed in Lake County Circuit Court in Waukegan by Livable Lake County and six area homeowners, alleges the Tollway failed to abide by state law in pursuing the controversial project. Specifically, the lawsuit claims that the Tollway violated the Illinois Toll Highway Act by failing to get proper authorization for the corridor from the Illinois legislature and not holding required public hearings.

Anthony Vega, a representative for Livable Lake County, called the Route 53 extension a “highway boondoggle.”

“They’re just spending money to widen highways that are destructive to the environment,” said Vega, who said the suit was filed Thursday afternoon. “This is a pattern of wasteful spending. Building roads won’t solve congestion — if anything, it will just worsen it.”

The Tollway last spring approved spending $25 million for an environmental impact study on the controversial project, which has been discussed since the 1960s. The proposal would stretch Route 53 from suburban Arlington Heights in Cook County to Grayslake in Lake County, and also widen Illinois Route 120, creating a new, T-shaped, 25-mile toll road.

At the hearing last May, representatives from multiple construction companies spoke in favor of the project, saying the extension would bring jobs and relieve congestion in a growing region. Environmental groups and officials from the suburbs of Hawthorn Woods and Long Grove opposed it, noting the extension’s projected $2.65 billion cost and potential negative impact to wetlands.

The environmental study is expected to take three to five years — there have already been three previous studies. A blue-ribbon advisory council formed in 2011 of public officials and representatives from business and other groups favored a four-lane boulevard with maximum speeds of 45 mph and a number of environmental features.

The homeowners who joined in suing the tollway claim they have refrained from making property improvements because of the “recent revival” of the proposed project.

Tollway spokesman Dan Rozek said the agency hadn’t received a copy of the lawsuit or otherwise reviewed it. But he did note in an email to the Tribune: “The Illinois Tollway has followed all applicable state and federal regulations for initiating an Environmental Impact Statement regarding the Illinois Route 53/120 Project.”
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on May 08, 2018, 05:42:35 AM
I say fuck Hawthorn Woods and Long Grove at this point and build it in spite of their NIMBYism.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: JoePCool14 on May 08, 2018, 03:37:49 PM
Building roads won’t solve congestion — if anything, it will just worsen it.”

This sentence right here is pure idiocracy.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on May 08, 2018, 04:09:59 PM
I say fuck Hawthorn Woods and Long Grove at this point and build it in spite of their NIMBYism.

Yes.

Building roads won’t solve congestion — if anything, it will just worsen it.”

This sentence right here is pure idiocracy.

No.  You build a big road, and all the people from the surrounding parallel corridors will flock to it.  There are situations where adding a rail corridor or public transit would better facilitate mobility.  If you're in a desert, yes it's as simple as adding lanes to increase supply.  But complex networks need more complex analysis.  Induced demand and all that.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Rick Powell on May 10, 2018, 10:04:29 AM
Buried at the back end of this article is the news that the I-88/Illinois 47 "full interchange" project is expected to be let this fall for construction in 2019. The article also mentions improvement of the Bliss Road intersection with Illinois 47, a few miles south of the interchange. There is a renewed political push to fill in the missing 4-lane "gap" between Sugar Grove and Yorkville, which in combination with the expanded interchange will allow greater mobility in northern Kendall and southern Kane counties.

http://www.kcchronicle.com/2018/04/27/village-waits-for-idot-approval-to-widen-intersection-of-bliss-road-and-route-47/aya7hue/
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on May 10, 2018, 11:31:45 AM
Makes sense, I was kinda surprised that they aren't going ahead and upgrading Bliss Road to a 2 lane road between 47 and at least Norris Road. Lot of traffic from North Aurora and Sugar Grove use that and Tanner Road as a route to get west and east
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Rick Powell on May 10, 2018, 06:29:53 PM
Makes sense, I was kinda surprised that they aren't going ahead and upgrading Bliss Road to a 2 lane road between 47 and at least Norris Road. Lot of traffic from North Aurora and Sugar Grove use that and Tanner Road as a route to get west and east

They may not want to impact the Bliss Woods county park with a widening, or they want to leave it alone for other reasons. Kane County was trying to limit development in the area between Batavia and Sugar Grove, which still has a fair amount of farm land. Bliss Road and Fabyan Parkway are a well-used cutoff route to Randall Road and points east.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on May 11, 2018, 08:19:18 AM
Makes sense, I was kinda surprised that they aren't going ahead and upgrading Bliss Road to a 2 lane road between 47 and at least Norris Road. Lot of traffic from North Aurora and Sugar Grove use that and Tanner Road as a route to get west and east

They may not want to impact the Bliss Woods county park with a widening, or they want to leave it alone for other reasons. Kane County was trying to limit development in the area between Batavia and Sugar Grove, which still has a fair amount of farm land. Bliss Road and Fabyan Parkway are a well-used cutoff route to Randall Road and points east.

True. It seemed like for over the 2000s the farmland between the Outer Rim burbs of Aurora, North Aurora, Batavia, Geneva and St Charles and towns like Elburn and Sugar Grove was gonna be filled in. It's slowed down big time since the housing crash.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on May 12, 2018, 11:00:18 PM
Makes sense, I was kinda surprised that they aren't going ahead and upgrading Bliss Road to a 2 lane road between 47 and at least Norris Road. Lot of traffic from North Aurora and Sugar Grove use that and Tanner Road as a route to get west and east

They may not want to impact the Bliss Woods county park with a widening, or they want to leave it alone for other reasons. Kane County was trying to limit development in the area between Batavia and Sugar Grove, which still has a fair amount of farm land. Bliss Road and Fabyan Parkway are a well-used cutoff route to Randall Road and points east.

True. It seemed like for over the 2000s the farmland between the Outer Rim burbs of Aurora, North Aurora, Batavia, Geneva and St Charles and towns like Elburn and Sugar Grove was gonna be filled in. It's slowed down big time since the housing crash.

Personally, I am sort of glad it slowed down. My hope is that it actually would allow enough time to get some of the roadway infrastructure caught up. I am curious what the impact to IL 47 will be with a full interchange there.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on May 14, 2018, 12:49:45 PM
Personally, I am sort of glad it slowed down. My hope is that it actually would allow enough time to get some of the roadway infrastructure caught up. I am curious what the impact to IL 47 will be with a full interchange there.

I think the full interchange will mainly impact IL-47 on the north side of the interchange.  Since it's more or less a diagonal junction, people will mainly be going between the south and west approaches, and the north and east approaches.  People going between east and south will mainly use IL-56, and people going between west and north are relatively rare but already good to go with the way the interchange already is.  (This is the type of thing that's much easier to explain with a picture heh)

Main point-people coming from the westbound lanes on I-88 will mainly be accessing points north such as Elburn.  There will be some Waubonsee Community College traffic as well.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on May 14, 2018, 04:23:48 PM
Personally, I am sort of glad it slowed down. My hope is that it actually would allow enough time to get some of the roadway infrastructure caught up. I am curious what the impact to IL 47 will be with a full interchange there.

I think the full interchange will mainly impact IL-47 on the north side of the interchange.  Since it's more or less a diagonal junction, people will mainly be going between the south and west approaches, and the north and east approaches.  People going between east and south will mainly use IL-56, and people going between west and north are relatively rare but already good to go with the way the interchange already is.  (This is the type of thing that's much easier to explain with a picture heh)

Main point-people coming from the westbound lanes on I-88 will mainly be accessing points north such as Elburn.  There will be some Waubonsee Community College traffic as well.

It'll definitely make IL-56 even more dead than it is right now for westbound traffic haha
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on May 14, 2018, 07:27:28 PM
Personally, I am sort of glad it slowed down. My hope is that it actually would allow enough time to get some of the roadway infrastructure caught up. I am curious what the impact to IL 47 will be with a full interchange there.

I think the full interchange will mainly impact IL-47 on the north side of the interchange.  Since it's more or less a diagonal junction, people will mainly be going between the south and west approaches, and the north and east approaches.  People going between east and south will mainly use IL-56, and people going between west and north are relatively rare but already good to go with the way the interchange already is.  (This is the type of thing that's much easier to explain with a picture heh)

Main point-people coming from the westbound lanes on I-88 will mainly be accessing points north such as Elburn.  There will be some Waubonsee Community College traffic as well.

It'll definitely make IL-56 even more dead than it is right now for westbound traffic haha

And hopefully deprive Sugar Grove of their speed trap on IL-56.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on June 04, 2018, 09:23:33 AM
Personally, I am sort of glad it slowed down. My hope is that it actually would allow enough time to get some of the roadway infrastructure caught up. I am curious what the impact to IL 47 will be with a full interchange there.

I think the full interchange will mainly impact IL-47 on the north side of the interchange.  Since it's more or less a diagonal junction, people will mainly be going between the south and west approaches, and the north and east approaches.  People going between east and south will mainly use IL-56, and people going between west and north are relatively rare but already good to go with the way the interchange already is.  (This is the type of thing that's much easier to explain with a picture heh)

Main point-people coming from the westbound lanes on I-88 will mainly be accessing points north such as Elburn.  There will be some Waubonsee Community College traffic as well.

It'll definitely make IL-56 even more dead than it is right now for westbound traffic haha

And hopefully deprive Sugar Grove of their speed trap on IL-56.

You mean the empty squad car? I drove by it on Saturday and it's the same thing they did for the past 3 years. They leave an empty squad car to get people to slow down
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: hobsini2 on June 08, 2018, 07:52:43 PM
56 needs to be a posted 60 from 88 to 47 at the very least. They don't do it because of Golfview Dr but thats a RI-RO intersection.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on June 13, 2018, 10:43:44 AM
294 reconstruction has begun, although this project is associated with I-490. Here is the redo of the North Ave/294 interchange, which includes a better intersection and a new southbound ramp via County Line Road.

However, nothing is being done about the eastbound North ave to northbound 294 ramp which is a major cause for jams. Have a feeling we'll see more when the overhaul plans are announced

https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/555754/2018-02_CentralTriState_NorthAveInterchange_OnePager.pdf/db12a23d-9b62-4d5e-b80e-344964315a25 (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/555754/2018-02_CentralTriState_NorthAveInterchange_OnePager.pdf/db12a23d-9b62-4d5e-b80e-344964315a25)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on June 13, 2018, 05:29:56 PM
https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/93901455-844b-48b7-9fac-45b0b8724b3b

Looks like the railway is going let I-490 happen.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: edwaleni on June 14, 2018, 07:36:48 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-biz-ohare-highway-access-20180613-story.html
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: inkyatari on June 14, 2018, 05:01:37 PM
Ugh.  The conspirisheep at work ar just now saying that I-88 was named for hitler.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: abefroman329 on June 14, 2018, 05:13:38 PM
Ugh.  The conspirisheep at work ar just now saying that I-88 was named for hitler.

Wait, what?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on June 14, 2018, 09:34:54 PM
Ugh.  The conspirisheep at work ar just now saying that I-88 was named for hitler.

Da faq!?!  IDOT & ISTHA got the number due in part to the year it was designated, 1988.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on June 14, 2018, 10:47:16 PM
Ugh.  The conspirisheep at work ar just now saying that I-88 was named for hitler.

Da faq!?!  IDOT & ISTHA got the number due in part to the year it was designated, 1988.

I thought the Hitler number was 18, anyway.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: inkyatari on June 15, 2018, 08:57:29 AM
Ugh.  The conspirisheep at work ar just now saying that I-88 was named for hitler.

Da faq!?!  IDOT & ISTHA got the number due in part to the year it was designated, 1988.

I thought the Hitler number was 18, anyway.

They say it's because H is the 8th letter, and HH stands for heil hitler.

Hell.  It could also stand for HH Holmes, widely credited for being the first serial killer in the US (I doubt that, but anyway,) who set up shop in the Englewood neighborhood of Chicago.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Henry on June 15, 2018, 09:23:55 AM
https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/93901455-844b-48b7-9fac-45b0b8724b3b

Looks like the railway is going let I-490 happen.
Good!
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: abefroman329 on June 15, 2018, 09:36:20 AM
Ugh.  The conspirisheep at work ar just now saying that I-88 was named for hitler.

Da faq!?!  IDOT & ISTHA got the number due in part to the year it was designated, 1988.

I thought the Hitler number was 18, anyway.

They say it's because H is the 8th letter, and HH stands for heil hitler.

Hell.  It could also stand for HH Holmes, widely credited for being the first serial killer in the US (I doubt that, but anyway,) who set up shop in the Englewood neighborhood of Chicago.

Or it could be doubly lucky in China.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: dvferyance on June 17, 2018, 11:10:10 PM
The 2019 Road Atlas no longer shows the proposed 490. Does this mean the proposal is dead. I think it's a bit overkill myself to connect the Elgin O Hare to both 90 and 294. Pick one or the other but really both?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on June 18, 2018, 12:25:08 AM
The 2019 Road Atlas no longer shows the proposed 490. Does this mean the proposal is dead. I think it's a bit overkill myself to connect the Elgin O Hare to both 90 and 294. Pick one or the other but really both?

Far from it, and if anything, the Tollway and CP Railroad made a major breakthrough this week, so is pretty much all but a done deal now. Believe me, the I-490 tollway will be a major godsend for those traveling that direction, not to mention it will relieve some bad congestion at I-90 and I-294 by diverting some of that traffic, particularly from I-294 NB to I-90 WB and I-90 EB to I-294 SB. I am not too sure why the Road Atlas no longer shows this, but it is alive and well.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Henry on June 18, 2018, 10:53:57 AM
The 2019 Road Atlas no longer shows the proposed 490. Does this mean the proposal is dead. I think it's a bit overkill myself to connect the Elgin O Hare to both 90 and 294. Pick one or the other but really both?

Far from it, and if anything, the Tollway and CP Railroad made a major breakthrough this week, so is pretty much all but a done deal now. Believe me, the I-490 tollway will be a major godsend for those traveling that direction, not to mention it will relieve some bad congestion at I-90 and I-294 by diverting some of that traffic, particularly from I-294 NB to I-90 WB and I-90 EB to I-294 SB. I am not too sure why the Road Atlas no longer shows this, but it is alive and well.
Let's hope it returns in 2020! :D
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: abefroman329 on June 18, 2018, 11:28:58 AM
The 2019 Road Atlas no longer shows the proposed 490. Does this mean the proposal is dead. I think it's a bit overkill myself to connect the Elgin O Hare to both 90 and 294. Pick one or the other but really both?

I'm not convinced it's necessary at all given the presence of I-290 and IL-83, but I don't think it make sense to connect IL-390 to I-90 or I-294.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on June 18, 2018, 03:32:14 PM
The 2019 Road Atlas no longer shows the proposed 490. Does this mean the proposal is dead. I think it's a bit overkill myself to connect the Elgin O Hare to both 90 and 294. Pick one or the other but really both?

I'm not convinced it's necessary at all given the presence of I-290 and IL-83, but I don't think it make sense to connect IL-390 to I-90 or I-294.

If completed first, this will allow for a total rebuild on the clusterfuck we call the north Tri-State to outbound Ike Extension ramp.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Revive 755 on June 18, 2018, 08:44:03 PM
The 2019 Road Atlas no longer shows the proposed 490. Does this mean the proposal is dead. I think it's a bit overkill myself to connect the Elgin O Hare to both 90 and 294. Pick one or the other but really both?

I'm not convinced it's necessary at all given the presence of I-290 and IL-83, but I don't think it make sense to connect IL-390 to I-90 or I-294.

IL 83 can get ugly during the afternoon rush hour at some of the stoplights.  I-290 has issues at the IL 83 interchange.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on June 18, 2018, 09:35:32 PM
The 2019 Road Atlas no longer shows the proposed 490. Does this mean the proposal is dead. I think it's a bit overkill myself to connect the Elgin O Hare to both 90 and 294. Pick one or the other but really both?

I'm not convinced it's necessary at all given the presence of I-290 and IL-83, but I don't think it make sense to connect IL-390 to I-90 or I-294.

IL 83 can get ugly during the afternoon rush hour at some of the stoplights.  I-290 has issues at the IL 83 interchange.

If anything, they would be wise to finish I-490 and then rebuild the mess at I-290/294. The combination of all of that will only help that whole area.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: GeekJedi on June 19, 2018, 07:49:33 AM
The 2019 Road Atlas no longer shows the proposed 490. Does this mean the proposal is dead. I think it's a bit overkill myself to connect the Elgin O Hare to both 90 and 294. Pick one or the other but really both?

I'm not convinced it's necessary at all given the presence of I-290 and IL-83, but I don't think it make sense to connect IL-390 to I-90 or I-294.

If completed first, this will allow for a total rebuild on the clusterfuck we call the north Tri-State to outbound Ike Extension ramp.

BUILD THE HYPOTENUSE! :-D
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: abefroman329 on June 19, 2018, 09:08:35 AM
Whatever happened to that guy?  If you complained about the weather in Chicago, he'd respond IT'D BE BETTER IF WE BUILT THE HYPOTENUSE!
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: inkyatari on June 19, 2018, 12:58:01 PM
Whatever happened to that guy?  If you complained about the weather in Chicago, he'd respond IT'D BE BETTER IF WE BUILT THE HYPOTENUSE!

I thought he was banned?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on June 19, 2018, 02:41:58 PM
Whatever happened to that guy?  If you complained about the weather in Chicago, he'd respond IT'D BE BETTER IF WE BUILT THE HYPOTENUSE!

I thought he was banned?

Yep, and the mods correct me if I'm wrong, he got hit with the ban stick.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: edwaleni on June 19, 2018, 05:17:43 PM
The 2019 Road Atlas no longer shows the proposed 490. Does this mean the proposal is dead. I think it's a bit overkill myself to connect the Elgin O Hare to both 90 and 294. Pick one or the other but really both?

I'm not convinced it's necessary at all given the presence of I-290 and IL-83, but I don't think it make sense to connect IL-390 to I-90 or I-294.

Its all part of the O'Hare Western Access deal that was brokered.

O'Hare would get essentially its last expansion and the western burbs would be allowed to build a western bypass that not only provides passenger access, but physically "ties in" the airport to its current boundaries.

After the deal was struck, Chicago DOT wasted very little time getting their new runways built toot sweet. The state and ISTHA had to slog through the details of finishing their part of fhe deal.

Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on June 20, 2018, 08:32:07 AM
The 2019 Road Atlas no longer shows the proposed 490. Does this mean the proposal is dead. I think it's a bit overkill myself to connect the Elgin O Hare to both 90 and 294. Pick one or the other but really both?

I'm not convinced it's necessary at all given the presence of I-290 and IL-83, but I don't think it make sense to connect IL-390 to I-90 or I-294.

Its all part of the O'Hare Western Access deal that was brokered.

O'Hare would get essentially its last expansion and the western burbs would be allowed to build a western bypass that not only provides passenger access, but physically "ties in" the airport to its current boundaries.

After the deal was struck, Chicago DOT wasted very little time getting their new runways built toot sweet. The state and ISTHA had to slog through the details of finishing their part of fhe deal.

^This

I-490 is gonna help tremendously for the 294/190/90 shitshow and help relieve people going south on 294 by spreading out the flow more.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: abefroman329 on June 20, 2018, 09:01:12 AM
The 2019 Road Atlas no longer shows the proposed 490. Does this mean the proposal is dead. I think it's a bit overkill myself to connect the Elgin O Hare to both 90 and 294. Pick one or the other but really both?

I'm not convinced it's necessary at all given the presence of I-290 and IL-83, but I don't think it make sense to connect IL-390 to I-90 or I-294.

Its all part of the O'Hare Western Access deal that was brokered.

O'Hare would get essentially its last expansion and the western burbs would be allowed to build a western bypass that not only provides passenger access, but physically "ties in" the airport to its current boundaries.

After the deal was struck, Chicago DOT wasted very little time getting their new runways built toot sweet. The state and ISTHA had to slog through the details of finishing their part of fhe deal.

^This

I-490 is gonna help tremendously for the 294/190/90 shitshow and help relieve people going south on 294 by spreading out the flow more.

The impact on I-190 will be incremental - the latest plans for expansion show the area that was going to be used for the Western Terminal being used for employee parking and employee security screening.  Passengers and anyone else with airport business will still need to use I-190 to access ORD.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: edwaleni on June 20, 2018, 09:20:41 AM
Western burbs tried for years to build a dedicated transit route for the western access to O'Hare. But the City of Chicago wouldnt have it. Afraid it would drain off parking and terminal services revenue. Even the Elgin-OHare was built with room for a "future transit line" down the middle. (Now since removed)

So when O'Hare wanted to expand yet again, the suburban politicos and planners were in a much better position to dictate.

Even now Chicago absolutely refuses to permit any public transit entering/exiting the airport unless they control it. The one they dont control (Metra) doesnt stop on airport property. Its way out in the rental car return lots and you have to change trains.

So this is why we have tollways being built around OHare. Chicago's paranoia about control and patronage.

Its also why they object to the third airport ( which is a different subject) and said they will file suit if it carries the name "Chicago" on it.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on June 20, 2018, 09:31:53 AM
Western burbs tried for years to build a dedicated transit route for the western access to O'Hare. But the City of Chicago wouldnt have it. Afraid it would drain off parking and terminal services revenue. Even the Elgin-OHare was built with room for a "future transit line" down the middle. (Now since removed)

So when O'Hare wanted to expand yet again, the suburban politicos and planners were in a much better position to dictate.

Even now Chicago absolutely refuses to permit any public transit entering/exiting the airport unless they control it. The one they dont control (Metra) doesnt stop on airport property. Its way out in the rental car return lots and you have to change trains.

So this is why we have tollways being built around OHare. Chicago's paranoia about control and patronage.

Its also why they object to the third airport ( which is a different subject) and said they will file suit if it carries the name "Chicago" on it.

Well they did try metra star line but then funding did not happen
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 20, 2018, 09:32:38 AM
Western burbs tried for years to build a dedicated transit route for the western access to O'Hare. But the City of Chicago wouldnt have it. Afraid it would drain off parking and terminal services revenue. Even the Elgin-OHare was built with room for a "future transit line" down the middle. (Now since removed)

So when O'Hare wanted to expand yet again, the suburban politicos and planners were in a much better position to dictate.

Even now Chicago absolutely refuses to permit any public transit entering/exiting the airport unless they control it. The one they dont control (Metra) doesnt stop on airport property. Its way out in the rental car return lots and you have to change trains.

So this is why we have tollways being built around OHare. Chicago's paranoia about control and patronage.

Its also why they object to the third airport ( which is a different subject) and said they will file suit if it carries the name "Chicago" on it.


Does the City of Chicago own the airport?  Are they responsible for the infrastructure investment and paying the bonds that go with it through gate fees, parking fees, etc.?

I believe the answer is yes to both questions.  You can call it "paranoia," but IMO if this were a private business, this is exactly how they would act as well. 
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: abefroman329 on June 20, 2018, 09:56:00 AM
Even now Chicago absolutely refuses to permit any public transit entering/exiting the airport unless they control it. The one they dont control (Metra) doesnt stop on airport property. Its way out in the rental car return lots and you have to change trains.
The problem with the Metra line isn't that it doesn't actually enter the airport, it's that there's only infrequent rush hour service on that line, and none on the weekends, and that's on the freight company that owns the line, not the City of Chicago.  And even the people mover extension will be a better solution than the current option (taking a shuttle bus from the station).

Its also why they object to the third airport ( which is a different subject) and said they will file suit if it carries the name "Chicago" on it.
(a) Gary renamed their airport "Gary/Chicago" with no issues, (b) the obstacle to a third airport is the fact that United and American refuse to use it.  Not that I blame them, both they and the airlines they merged with tried service to MDW, and couldn't get it to work.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: abefroman329 on June 20, 2018, 09:57:21 AM
You can call it "paranoia," but IMO if this were a private business, this is exactly how they would act as well.

Yup - taxicab companies, limo companies, charter bus operators, etc. all hate the idea of public transit to airports too.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on June 20, 2018, 10:45:03 AM
The 2019 Road Atlas no longer shows the proposed 490. Does this mean the proposal is dead. I think it's a bit overkill myself to connect the Elgin O Hare to both 90 and 294. Pick one or the other but really both?

I'm not convinced it's necessary at all given the presence of I-290 and IL-83, but I don't think it make sense to connect IL-390 to I-90 or I-294.

Its all part of the O'Hare Western Access deal that was brokered.

O'Hare would get essentially its last expansion and the western burbs would be allowed to build a western bypass that not only provides passenger access, but physically "ties in" the airport to its current boundaries.

After the deal was struck, Chicago DOT wasted very little time getting their new runways built toot sweet. The state and ISTHA had to slog through the details of finishing their part of fhe deal.

^This

I-490 is gonna help tremendously for the 294/190/90 shitshow and help relieve people going south on 294 by spreading out the flow more.

The impact on I-190 will be incremental - the latest plans for expansion show the area that was going to be used for the Western Terminal being used for employee parking and employee security screening.  Passengers and anyone else with airport business will still need to use I-190 to access ORD.

Right, but at least have a western loop will still help 294 which is also getting an upgrade. Whether they want to expand eastward or not is up to Chicago, tollway will likely build stubs for a possible eastward expansion whenever the city gets its act together. When all is said and done outside of the airport, 294 and 490 along with 390 will help the general traffic flow across that section of the NW suburbs, especially on roads like Mannheim (12/20/45) and IL-83
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 20, 2018, 10:51:37 AM
Even now Chicago absolutely refuses to permit any public transit entering/exiting the airport unless they control it. The one they dont control (Metra) doesnt stop on airport property. Its way out in the rental car return lots and you have to change trains.
The problem with the Metra line isn't that it doesn't actually enter the airport, it's that there's only infrequent rush hour service on that line, and none on the weekends, and that's on the freight company that owns the line, not the City of Chicago.  And even the people mover extension will be a better solution than the current option (taking a shuttle bus from the station).

Its also why they object to the third airport ( which is a different subject) and said they will file suit if it carries the name "Chicago" on it.
(a) Gary renamed their airport "Gary/Chicago" with no issues, (b) the obstacle to a third airport is the fact that United and American refuse to use it.  Not that I blame them, both they and the airlines they merged with tried service to MDW, and couldn't get it to work.


A Chicago third airport would be a huge waste of money.  Expanding O'Hare, along with Midway, Milwaukee, Rockford, etc. is enough to handle the demand.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Beltway on June 20, 2018, 12:32:36 PM
Its also why they object to the third airport ( which is a different subject) and said they will file suit if it carries the name "Chicago" on it.

Sites such as near Kankakee or DeKalb have been studied in the past. 

The problem is that they are seriously far from Chicago, and any new major airport anywhere in the U.S. is hard to obtain funding and approval to build.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on June 20, 2018, 02:33:34 PM
Does the City of Chicago own the airport?  Are they responsible for the infrastructure investment and paying the bonds that go with it through gate fees, parking fees, etc.?

I believe the answer is yes to both questions.  You can call it "paranoia," but IMO if this were a private business, this is exactly how they would act as well. 

The answer is an unqualified yes.  The City of Chicago owns and operates both airports.
https://www.cityofchicago.org/city/en/depts/doa.html
https://www.flychicago.com/Pages/default.aspx
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: machias on June 20, 2018, 11:25:19 PM
Its also why they object to the third airport ( which is a different subject) and said they will file suit if it carries the name "Chicago" on it.

Sites such as near Kankakee or DeKalb have been studied in the past. 

The problem is that they are seriously far from Chicago, and any new major airport anywhere in the U.S. is hard to obtain funding and approval to build.

Palwaukee became “Chicago Executive Airport” and it’s a fairly busy airport for business jets and general aviation.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Beltway on June 20, 2018, 11:32:54 PM
Sites such as near Kankakee or DeKalb have been studied in the past. 
The problem is that they are seriously far from Chicago, and any new major airport anywhere in the U.S. is hard to obtain funding and approval to build.
Palwaukee became “Chicago Executive Airport” and it’s a fairly busy airport for business jets and general aviation.

That is a result of the idiot mayor that had the one downtown destroyed.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: abefroman329 on June 21, 2018, 09:23:28 AM
Sites such as near Kankakee or DeKalb have been studied in the past. 
The problem is that they are seriously far from Chicago, and any new major airport anywhere in the U.S. is hard to obtain funding and approval to build.
Palwaukee became “Chicago Executive Airport” and it’s a fairly busy airport for business jets and general aviation.

That is a result of the idiot mayor that had the one downtown destroyed.

Because all of the CEOs and other assorted bigwigs at all of the corporations a stone's throw from Pal-Waukee were driving all the way down to Meigs prior to that?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on June 21, 2018, 09:50:42 AM
Sites such as near Kankakee or DeKalb have been studied in the past. 
The problem is that they are seriously far from Chicago, and any new major airport anywhere in the U.S. is hard to obtain funding and approval to build.
Palwaukee became “Chicago Executive Airport” and it’s a fairly busy airport for business jets and general aviation.

That is a result of the idiot mayor that had the one downtown destroyed.

Meigs was not used for those types of planes (private, executive jets).  Meigs was more along the lines of Cessnas.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 21, 2018, 10:23:36 AM
The idea of closing Meigs was fine.  The way it was closed by the Mayor was ridiculous. 
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on June 21, 2018, 10:52:21 AM
The idea of closing Meigs was fine.  The way it was closed by the Mayor was ridiculous.
Meigs was the longtime default airport in Microsoft Flight Simulator even after 9/11
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: mgk920 on June 21, 2018, 11:12:24 AM
Meigs was essentially the 'flagship' of general aviation airports.

Mike
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Beltway on June 21, 2018, 11:19:57 AM
Meigs was essentially the 'flagship' of general aviation airports.
Mike

The following air carriers operated scheduled passenger service at Meigs Field at various times during its existence:
Air Illinois, which in late 1970s regularly flew the 44-seat Hawker Siddeley HS 748 turboprop, the largest aircraft ever scheduled into Meigs.
Blade Helicopters
Britt Airways
Chicago Helicopter Airways
Gopher Airlines
Great Lakes Airlines (as Great Lakes Aviation dba United Express operating code share service for United Airlines)
Hub Airlines
Illini Airlines
Midwest Commuter Airways
Ozark Air Lines
Skystream Airlines
Trans States Airlines (as Trans World Express operating code share service for TWA)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meigs_Field
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on June 21, 2018, 11:21:25 AM
Meigs was essentially the 'flagship' of general aviation airports.
Mike

The following air carriers operated scheduled passenger service at Meigs Field at various times during its existence:
Air Illinois, which in late 1970s regularly flew the 44-seat Hawker Siddeley HS 748 turboprop, the largest aircraft ever scheduled into Meigs.
Blade Helicopters
Britt Airways
Chicago Helicopter Airways
Gopher Airlines
Great Lakes Airlines (as Great Lakes Aviation dba United Express operating code share service for United Airlines)
Hub Airlines
Illini Airlines
Midwest Commuter Airways
Ozark Air Lines
Skystream Airlines
Trans States Airlines (as Trans World Express operating code share service for TWA)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meigs_Field

At various times.  By the year 2000, it was a general aviation airport with maybe a few helicopters.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: abefroman329 on June 21, 2018, 11:43:47 AM
Meigs was essentially the 'flagship' of general aviation airports.
Mike

The following air carriers operated scheduled passenger service at Meigs Field at various times during its existence:
Air Illinois, which in late 1970s regularly flew the 44-seat Hawker Siddeley HS 748 turboprop, the largest aircraft ever scheduled into Meigs.
Blade Helicopters
Britt Airways
Chicago Helicopter Airways
Gopher Airlines
Great Lakes Airlines (as Great Lakes Aviation dba United Express operating code share service for United Airlines)
Hub Airlines
Illini Airlines
Midwest Commuter Airways
Ozark Air Lines
Skystream Airlines
Trans States Airlines (as Trans World Express operating code share service for TWA)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meigs_Field

At various times.  By the year 2000, it was a general aviation airport with maybe a few helicopters.

I'm almost positive there was commercial service to Springfield up till its closure, if not very close to its closure.  You are correct that it was mainly GA prop planes, though.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Beltway on June 21, 2018, 12:03:45 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meigs_Field
At various times.  By the year 2000, it was a general aviation airport with maybe a few helicopters.

The point was, that it had the capability to be a “Chicago Executive Airport” and be a fairly busy airport for business jets and general aviation.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: abefroman329 on June 21, 2018, 12:10:01 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meigs_Field
At various times.  By the year 2000, it was a general aviation airport with maybe a few helicopters.

The point was, that it had the capability to be a “Chicago Executive Airport” and be a fairly busy airport for business jets and general aviation.

It had a 3900-foot runway; Pal-Waukee's is 1100 feet longer.  I'm not sure if business jets could land there even if they wanted to.  And, as I already mentioned, Meigs wasn't convenient for anyone heading to an office in the northern/western suburbs the way Pal-Waukee is.  Midway is just fine for anyone heading downtown, maybe even Gary.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 21, 2018, 12:23:04 PM
You don't stick a general aviation airport along the lakefront of downtown Chicago.  The land is too valuable to be used for that purpose.  The city and the mayor had the right idea, but just executed it awfully. 
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on June 21, 2018, 12:57:04 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meigs_Field
At various times.  By the year 2000, it was a general aviation airport with maybe a few helicopters.

The point was, that it had the capability to be a “Chicago Executive Airport” and be a fairly busy airport for business jets and general aviation.

Meigs was never big enough to be a "Chicago Executive Airport".  There was never room for any runway longer (as noted, the current Chicago Executive Airport has a runway 1,100 longer).  There was never any real room for parking larger planes on a consistent basis (as there is at the current Chicago Executive Airport or at the Lewis University Airport).  There was never any real room for proper facilities as there are at the current Chicago Executive Airport.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Beltway on June 21, 2018, 01:51:39 PM
You don't stick a general aviation airport along the lakefront of downtown Chicago.  The land is too valuable to be used for that purpose.  The city and the mayor had the right idea, but just executed it awfully. 

It was already there, since 1948.  Built on a manmade island, which could have been expanded to the east without impacting anything, and the aerial approaches were not over the city.  Daley was an idiot.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on June 21, 2018, 01:54:54 PM
You don't stick a general aviation airport along the lakefront of downtown Chicago.  The land is too valuable to be used for that purpose.  The city and the mayor had the right idea, but just executed it awfully. 

It was already there, since 1948.  Built on a manmade island, which could have been expanded to the east without impacting anything, and the aerial approaches were not over the city.  Daley was an idiot.

You serious?  You do know that the other states will get very pissed off if Chicago were to add landfill to Lake Michigan, which is governed by interstate compacts, some of which include Ontario.

You, sir, are the idiot.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: abefroman329 on June 21, 2018, 03:31:30 PM
You don't stick a general aviation airport along the lakefront of downtown Chicago.  The land is too valuable to be used for that purpose.  The city and the mayor had the right idea, but just executed it awfully. 

It was already there, since 1948.  Built on a manmade island, which could have been expanded to the east without impacting anything, and the aerial approaches were not over the city.  Daley was an idiot.

Meigs' single runway was north-south.  How would expanding to the east have helped?  And where would you have put the expanded facilities needed to service biz jets?  And what about the additional traffic coming to Meigs, that currently shares a two-lane road with people headed to the Aquarium, the Planetarium, and Bears games?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Beltway on June 21, 2018, 05:28:33 PM
You don't stick a general aviation airport along the lakefront of downtown Chicago.  The land is too valuable to be used for that purpose.  The city and the mayor had the right idea, but just executed it awfully. 
It was already there, since 1948.  Built on a manmade island, which could have been expanded to the east without impacting anything, and the aerial approaches were not over the city.  Daley was an idiot.
You serious?  You do know that the other states will get very pissed off if Chicago were to add landfill to Lake Michigan, which is governed by interstate compacts, some of which include Ontario.
You, sir, are the idiot.

The island was -built- with excavation fill.

You, sir, are a troll.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Beltway on June 21, 2018, 05:31:18 PM
It was already there, since 1948.  Built on a manmade island, which could have been expanded to the east without impacting anything, and the aerial approaches were not over the city.  Daley was an idiot.
Meigs' single runway was north-south.  How would expanding to the east have helped?  And where would you have put the expanded facilities needed to service biz jets?  And what about the additional traffic coming to Meigs, that currently shares a two-lane road with people headed to the Aquarium, the Planetarium, and Bears games?

A complaint was posted that they needed more room for service facilities.

I don't know why some want to defend the stupidity of the mayor that destroyed the airport in a manner that violated FAA regulations.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 21, 2018, 06:44:25 PM
You don't stick a general aviation airport along the lakefront of downtown Chicago.  The land is too valuable to be used for that purpose.  The city and the mayor had the right idea, but just executed it awfully. 

It was already there, since 1948.  Built on a manmade island, which could have been expanded to the east without impacting anything, and the aerial approaches were not over the city.  Daley was an idiot.

Ridiculous. Wrong place for an airport and absolutely wrong to invest in larger facilities there. Outside of some airplane owners, do people really miss it?

The outrage was overblown then. It’s really overblown now.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Beltway on June 21, 2018, 08:41:10 PM
It was already there, since 1948.  Built on a manmade island, which could have been expanded to the east without impacting anything, and the aerial approaches were not over the city.  Daley was an idiot.
Ridiculous. Wrong place for an airport and absolutely wrong to invest in larger facilities there. Outside of some airplane owners, do people really miss it?
The outrage was overblown then. It’s really overblown now.

Whether it could be utilized as a full scale executive airport could be argued pro or con, as well as any expansion. 

Nevertheless there is ample history online that demonstrates that the airport had a variety of worthwhile usages throughout its history.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 21, 2018, 08:48:42 PM
It was already there, since 1948.  Built on a manmade island, which could have been expanded to the east without impacting anything, and the aerial approaches were not over the city.  Daley was an idiot.
Ridiculous. Wrong place for an airport and absolutely wrong to invest in larger facilities there. Outside of some airplane owners, do people really miss it?
The outrage was overblown then. It’s really overblown now.

Whether it could be utilized as a full scale executive airport could be argued pro or con, as well as any expansion. 

Nevertheless there is ample history online that demonstrates that the airport had a variety of worthwhile usages throughout its history.


Right.  But a limited use airport is not the highest and best use of the property.  It is better now than it used to be.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Beltway on June 21, 2018, 09:56:06 PM
Nevertheless there is ample history online that demonstrates that the airport had a variety of worthwhile usages throughout its history.
Right.  But a limited use airport is not the highest and best use of the property.  It is better now than it used to be.

That is like how some people say that a highway interchange is not the highest and best use of the property. 

It got substantial usage.  Most the island is still undeveloped.

Chicago has plenty of developable land, even within a mile or two of the downtown.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: mhking on June 22, 2018, 04:30:41 AM
Ugh.  The conspirisheep at work ar just now saying that I-88 was named for hitler.

#FacePalm. Shoot me now.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on June 22, 2018, 09:36:50 AM
Why don't you guys take the Meigs banter into it's own thread and stick with tollway news, especially considering the airport has been DEAD for 15 years now
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Brandon on June 22, 2018, 10:20:28 AM
You don't stick a general aviation airport along the lakefront of downtown Chicago.  The land is too valuable to be used for that purpose.  The city and the mayor had the right idea, but just executed it awfully. 
It was already there, since 1948.  Built on a manmade island, which could have been expanded to the east without impacting anything, and the aerial approaches were not over the city.  Daley was an idiot.
You serious?  You do know that the other states will get very pissed off if Chicago were to add landfill to Lake Michigan, which is governed by interstate compacts, some of which include Ontario.
You, sir, are the idiot.

The island was -built- with excavation fill.

You, sir, are a troll.

The island was built with fill a very long time ago, pre-WWII.  There is no way on this planet, in this day and age, that fill would be allowed into the Lake.

You can go back to Virginia.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on June 22, 2018, 11:29:28 AM
North side gets underway for 294:

Advance work will begin this week in the northern section of the Central Tri-State Tollway (I-294) Project with initial construction scheduled between Balmoral Avenue in Rosemont and Wolf Road in Franklin Park as part of the Illinois Tollway’s investment to increase capacity, reduce congestion and improve travel reliability.

Weather permitting, on Monday, June 18, the outside shoulders in both directions on I-294 between Rosemont and Franklin Park will be closed for repair work scheduled to last through June. Electronic message signs and construction signage will be put in place in advance to alert drivers to the closures. All work is weather dependent.

When shoulder work is complete, traffic in both directions is scheduled to shift to the outside lanes and roadway work will begin between Balmoral Avenue and the O’Hare Oasis. The Tollway will maintain four lanes of traffic in both directions by shifting traffic to safely accommodate drivers and provide work zones during construction. Additional lane closures will be scheduled as needed during overnight and off-peak hours for construction.

Work to advance the Central Tri-State Tollway Project in the northern section includes repairing, resurfacing and widening I-294 to five lanes between Balmoral Avenue and Wolf Road in Franklin Park, as well as reconstructing barrier walls, medians and shoulders in this area.

As part of the work in this section, the bridges carrying I-294 over Irving Park Road, Lawrence Avenue and the Canadian National Railroad in Schiller Park will be repaired and portions of the ramps connecting Irving Park Road to I-294 will be reconstructed. Improvements as part of this project also include guardrail, drainage, lighting, signage and landscaping improvements.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on June 22, 2018, 05:32:03 PM
North side gets underway for 294:

Advance work will begin this week in the northern section of the Central Tri-State Tollway (I-294) Project with initial construction scheduled between Balmoral Avenue in Rosemont and Wolf Road in Franklin Park as part of the Illinois Tollway’s investment to increase capacity, reduce congestion and improve travel reliability.

Weather permitting, on Monday, June 18, the outside shoulders in both directions on I-294 between Rosemont and Franklin Park will be closed for repair work scheduled to last through June. Electronic message signs and construction signage will be put in place in advance to alert drivers to the closures. All work is weather dependent.

When shoulder work is complete, traffic in both directions is scheduled to shift to the outside lanes and roadway work will begin between Balmoral Avenue and the O’Hare Oasis. The Tollway will maintain four lanes of traffic in both directions by shifting traffic to safely accommodate drivers and provide work zones during construction. Additional lane closures will be scheduled as needed during overnight and off-peak hours for construction.

Work to advance the Central Tri-State Tollway Project in the northern section includes repairing, resurfacing and widening I-294 to five lanes between Balmoral Avenue and Wolf Road in Franklin Park, as well as reconstructing barrier walls, medians and shoulders in this area.

As part of the work in this section, the bridges carrying I-294 over Irving Park Road, Lawrence Avenue and the Canadian National Railroad in Schiller Park will be repaired and portions of the ramps connecting Irving Park Road to I-294 will be reconstructed. Improvements as part of this project also include guardrail, drainage, lighting, signage and landscaping improvements.

This will be a huge mess while underway, but a large section of I-294 North of here will see a big benefit once this is done. There are daily backups that go as far as Golf Road due to the merging traffic from the I-90/190 interchange in Rosemont. I'm glad that this stretch is among the first to get attention and needed improvements along the Central Tri-State.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: I-39 on June 22, 2018, 06:31:45 PM
North side gets underway for 294:

Advance work will begin this week in the northern section of the Central Tri-State Tollway (I-294) Project with initial construction scheduled between Balmoral Avenue in Rosemont and Wolf Road in Franklin Park as part of the Illinois Tollway’s investment to increase capacity, reduce congestion and improve travel reliability.

Weather permitting, on Monday, June 18, the outside shoulders in both directions on I-294 between Rosemont and Franklin Park will be closed for repair work scheduled to last through June. Electronic message signs and construction signage will be put in place in advance to alert drivers to the closures. All work is weather dependent.

When shoulder work is complete, traffic in both directions is scheduled to shift to the outside lanes and roadway work will begin between Balmoral Avenue and the O’Hare Oasis. The Tollway will maintain four lanes of traffic in both directions by shifting traffic to safely accommodate drivers and provide work zones during construction. Additional lane closures will be scheduled as needed during overnight and off-peak hours for construction.

Work to advance the Central Tri-State Tollway Project in the northern section includes repairing, resurfacing and widening I-294 to five lanes between Balmoral Avenue and Wolf Road in Franklin Park, as well as reconstructing barrier walls, medians and shoulders in this area.

As part of the work in this section, the bridges carrying I-294 over Irving Park Road, Lawrence Avenue and the Canadian National Railroad in Schiller Park will be repaired and portions of the ramps connecting Irving Park Road to I-294 will be reconstructed. Improvements as part of this project also include guardrail, drainage, lighting, signage and landscaping improvements.

So are they only resurfacing the northern portion of the central Tri-State and not doing a full rebuild?
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: edwaleni on June 22, 2018, 10:58:30 PM
You don't stick a general aviation airport along the lakefront of downtown Chicago.  The land is too valuable to be used for that purpose.  The city and the mayor had the right idea, but just executed it awfully. 
It was already there, since 1948.  Built on a manmade island, which could have been expanded to the east without impacting anything, and the aerial approaches were not over the city.  Daley was an idiot.
You serious?  You do know that the other states will get very pissed off if Chicago were to add landfill to Lake Michigan, which is governed by interstate compacts, some of which include Ontario.
You, sir, are the idiot.

The island was -built- with excavation fill.

You, sir, are a troll.

The island was built with fill a very long time ago, pre-WWII.  There is no way on this planet, in this day and age, that fill would be allowed into the Lake.

You can go back to Virginia.

Most of US-41 (Lake Shore Drive) from Lincoln Park south to Hyde Park is built on landfill. Michigan Avenue used to reside right next to the lake shore until the Illinois Central came and built the railroad on piers to reach the former south bank of the Chicago River.

That was filled in later and became covered to what is now Millenium Park.

As far as I know the Tollways never had to resort to such large landfill activities. The Chicago Skyway did, but that was built by the city, not ISTHA.

Someone can correct me but ISTHA never "touched" the Chicago city limits ever except for 2 blocks east of OHare when I-294 goes over Lawrence Ave.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Beltway on June 22, 2018, 11:55:26 PM
You don't stick a general aviation airport along the lakefront of downtown Chicago.  The land is too valuable to be used for that purpose.  The city and the mayor had the right idea, but just executed it awfully. 
It was already there, since 1948.  Built on a manmade island, which could have been expanded to the east without impacting anything, and the aerial approaches were not over the city.  Daley was an idiot.
You serious?  You do know that the other states will get very pissed off if Chicago were to add landfill to Lake Michigan, which is governed by interstate compacts, some of which include Ontario.
You, sir, are the idiot.
The island was -built- with excavation fill.
You, sir, are a troll.
The island was built with fill a very long time ago, pre-WWII.  There is no way on this planet, in this day and age, that fill would be allowed into the Lake.
You can go back to Virginia.

You go back to m.t.r days, correct?  Then you may remember that I originally was from Chicago, and swam a number of times on the beach just south of that site.  So don't ass/u/me that I have no interest in the city.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on June 23, 2018, 12:29:56 PM
North side gets underway for 294:

Advance work will begin this week in the northern section of the Central Tri-State Tollway (I-294) Project with initial construction scheduled between Balmoral Avenue in Rosemont and Wolf Road in Franklin Park as part of the Illinois Tollway’s investment to increase capacity, reduce congestion and improve travel reliability.

Weather permitting, on Monday, June 18, the outside shoulders in both directions on I-294 between Rosemont and Franklin Park will be closed for repair work scheduled to last through June. Electronic message signs and construction signage will be put in place in advance to alert drivers to the closures. All work is weather dependent.

When shoulder work is complete, traffic in both directions is scheduled to shift to the outside lanes and roadway work will begin between Balmoral Avenue and the O’Hare Oasis. The Tollway will maintain four lanes of traffic in both directions by shifting traffic to safely accommodate drivers and provide work zones during construction. Additional lane closures will be scheduled as needed during overnight and off-peak hours for construction.

Work to advance the Central Tri-State Tollway Project in the northern section includes repairing, resurfacing and widening I-294 to five lanes between Balmoral Avenue and Wolf Road in Franklin Park, as well as reconstructing barrier walls, medians and shoulders in this area.

As part of the work in this section, the bridges carrying I-294 over Irving Park Road, Lawrence Avenue and the Canadian National Railroad in Schiller Park will be repaired and portions of the ramps connecting Irving Park Road to I-294 will be reconstructed. Improvements as part of this project also include guardrail, drainage, lighting, signage and landscaping improvements.

So are they only resurfacing the northern portion of the central Tri-State and not doing a full rebuild?

It's advance work ahead of the full rebuild, similar to how they started the I-90 expansion. Along with it, the O'Hare Oasis bridge is being torn down http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-ohare-oasis-tollway-expansion-met-20180622-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-ohare-oasis-tollway-expansion-met-20180622-story.html)
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Henry on June 26, 2018, 09:38:32 AM
You don't stick a general aviation airport along the lakefront of downtown Chicago.  The land is too valuable to be used for that purpose.  The city and the mayor had the right idea, but just executed it awfully. 
It was already there, since 1948.  Built on a manmade island, which could have been expanded to the east without impacting anything, and the aerial approaches were not over the city.  Daley was an idiot.
You serious?  You do know that the other states will get very pissed off if Chicago were to add landfill to Lake Michigan, which is governed by interstate compacts, some of which include Ontario.
You, sir, are the idiot.
The island was -built- with excavation fill.
You, sir, are a troll.
The island was built with fill a very long time ago, pre-WWII.  There is no way on this planet, in this day and age, that fill would be allowed into the Lake.
You can go back to Virginia.

You go back to m.t.r days, correct?  Then you may remember that I originally was from Chicago, and swam a number of times on the beach just south of that site.  So don't ass/u/me that I have no interest in the city.
I echo that sentiment. That would be like telling me to go back to Seattle, when it is already established that I was born and raised in the Windy City as well, and I get interested in the goings on there from time to time.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: abefroman329 on June 26, 2018, 10:04:58 AM
It's advance work ahead of the full rebuild, similar to how they started the I-90 expansion. Along with it, the O'Hare Oasis bridge is being torn down http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-ohare-oasis-tollway-expansion-met-20180622-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-ohare-oasis-tollway-expansion-met-20180622-story.html)

As disappointing as this is, I suspect that, if the oases were making money hand over fist, they'd find a way to keep or rebuild them.  I personally have only set foot in one once in the past five years.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Highway63 on June 26, 2018, 10:24:08 PM
I-88 is one lane in each direction from IL 47 to IL 251 for shoulder construction. If I had known this I wouldn't have done what I did the last day of a four-day trip. Absolutely brutal.

Also, construction at the Hillside Strangler made me miss the first toll booth.  :ded:
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: abefroman329 on June 27, 2018, 11:28:53 AM
Also, construction at the Hillside Strangler made me miss the first toll booth.  :ded:

I went through there on Sunday, I thought it was pretty well-signed.  Keep left for ETC, keep right to pay cash.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ET21 on July 06, 2018, 09:21:58 AM
Ramps Connecting Irving Park Road to Northbound Tri-State Tollway (I-294) Scheduled to Close Next Week for Roadway Construction:

Weather permitting, on Monday, July 9, the two ramps connecting Irving Park Road to northbound I-294 are scheduled to close through the end of the year. The posted detour will direct traffic to use Mannheim Road and I-190 to access northbound I-294.

The ramp closures are necessary to safely accommodate traffic and workers during mainline roadway construction. In order to continue to provide four lanes of traffic on I-294, traffic will be shifted to the outside shoulders, eliminating the merge lane for traffic entering northbound I-294 during this stage of construction.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on July 24, 2018, 07:56:26 PM
Tri-County Access Project
PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE

http://tricountyaccess.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/TCA_OpenHouse_eblast_070318.pdf

Wednesday, July 25, 2018
Countryside Banquets
28874 Route 120
Lakemoor, IL 60051

Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: Crash_It on July 28, 2018, 02:36:45 AM
Tri-County Access Project
PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE

http://tricountyaccess.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/TCA_OpenHouse_eblast_070318.pdf

Wednesday, July 25, 2018
Countryside Banquets
28874 Route 120
Lakemoor, IL 60051


Basically the only solution would be to build the 53 extension and a 120 bypass. That would reduce travel times and alleviate congestion on I94 and other state and county roads.
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on July 28, 2018, 09:48:29 AM
Tri-County Access Project
PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE

http://tricountyaccess.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/TCA_OpenHouse_eblast_070318.pdf

Wednesday, July 25, 2018
Countryside Banquets
28874 Route 120
Lakemoor, IL 60051


Basically the only solution would be to build the 53 extension and a 120 bypass. That would reduce travel times and alleviate congestion on I94 and other state and county roads.

Agreed, that is the only real solution to the issues. Everything else is putting duct tape on a crumbling structure. Driving up into Lake County is a nightmare, and I was recently on route 120... what a mess! Build it, and build it sooner than later. Exhaust fumes are not good for anyone!
Title: Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
Post by: mgk920 on July 28, 2018, 10:04:44 AM
Tri-County Access Project
PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE

http://tricountyaccess.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/TCA_OpenHouse_eblast_070318.pdf

Wednesday, July 25, 2018
Countryside Banquets
28874 Route 120
Lakemoor, IL 60051


Basically the only solution would be to build the 53 extension and a 120 bypass. That would reduce travel times and all