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Title: Interstate 73/74
Post by: V'Ger on January 18, 2009, 08:09:48 AM
What's the status of these two Interstates? Has their final route been worked out through the Carolinas?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alex on January 18, 2009, 11:38:21 AM
I just clinched Interstate 73 in its current entirety in December. Weirdly all of the new freeway that was built south of Candor is signed as "Future Interstate 73/74", while it is so much better than the older sections to the north. No work is underway on the freeway south of Rockingham yet, and work on the freeway north of the Piedmont-Triad International Airport has also yet to begin.

As for Interstate 74, the High Point Bypass is still well underway, and the Maxton to Lumberton section opened in recent months as well. There are still several sections of existing freeway that need upgrading or sections to be completed (such as most of the route east of Interstate 95).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: deathtopumpkins on January 18, 2009, 01:27:41 PM
CG, I-64's not new. :P It's actually a very old interstate.

I haven't really paid attention to new interstates in the Carolinas though...  :-\
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Snappyjack on January 18, 2009, 10:23:12 PM
Why is I-3 given the number 3? If it is running from Savannah to Knoxville, it's an east west.. or southeast to northwest..or whatever you want to call it. Should be an even number. Correct?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: flaroads on January 18, 2009, 11:20:43 PM
Why is I-3 given the number 3? If it is running from Savannah to Knoxville, it's an east west.. or southeast to northwest..or whatever you want to call it. Should be an even number. Correct?

Proposed Interstate 3 is an initial desgination in which it honors Fort Stewart's 3rd Infantry Division's lead role in the War on Terror in Iraq.  Interstate 3, if ever built, would be known as the "3rd Infantry Division Highway" and serve defense interests in the region.  That's the official reason for the numbering.  Check out this page (http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-003.html) for more information.

As far as the proposed route being an even or odd designation, that is open to debate.  Looking at a map it does follows a northwest-southeast pattern, such as I-24 and I-26, and so it should carry an even designation, to keep in sync.  But, we currently have an interstate that breaks that rule: I-85.  That particular interstate pretty much runs northeast-southwest.  So, theoretically, it can carry an odd number.  But, in my opinion, the number 3 is WAY out of the current grid of the interstate system and that number should really be reserved for a western US north-south interstate.  But, since no high numbered north-south numbers can be used, and AASHTO won't duplicate any north-south route designations such as I-83, I-91, etc.  That leaves the lower north-south numbers to be used.

My personal opinion, if they do indeed build this interstate, bring back the suffixed interstates and designate it I-75E!!  That would solve any issues, other than it would eventually be east of I-85, but then we already have one I-75 that does that.

 

 

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: deathtopumpkins on January 18, 2009, 11:37:10 PM
Well actually it wouldn't even be the first time they duplicated a route number. There are two I-84s (CT and OR), two I-76s (PA and CO), and I believe to I-69s. It just bugs the crap out of me when they do stuff like that...  >:(
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alex on January 18, 2009, 11:42:54 PM
Well actually it wouldn't even be the first time they duplicated a route number. There are two I-84s (CT and OR), two I-76s (PA and CO), and I believe to I-69s. It just bugs the crap out of me when they do stuff like that...  >:(

Two I-74's (like they'll ever be connected!), two I-88's, two I-86's. Heck, think of how many I-80N's that there once were?  ;)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: seicer on January 18, 2009, 11:52:55 PM
In Ohio, Interstate 73 and 74 are all but dead proposals. ODOT is not upgrading Ohio Route 32 to interstate standards, although there will be interchanges from Batavia west to Interstate 275 in the next 10 years to replace the signalized intersections. Kentucky had a short-lived proposal to widen and subsequently rebuild the AA Highway from Interstate 275 east to Interstate 64 Grayson to interstate standards, although this political-blabber died quite fast.

Kentucky, however, is slated to widen the AA Highway to four-lanes from the Campbell County line (where the four-lane ends) to Maysville, although it will be done by twinning the existing alignment and by keeping the few intersections that do exist. A new four-lane, limited access bypass of Maysville is currently in the right-of-way acquisition stage, although it is not part of any interstate.

West Virginia has several segments completed as part of the Tolsia Highway/King Coal Highway upgrade:
1. Four-lane divided segment (with a curbed median that becomes ditched, grassy) from Interstate 64 at Kenova to West Virginia Route 75, where there is a half-completed diamond interchange. Any upgrade near Interstate 64 will require substantial reconstruction, and the traffic counts just is not there.
2. Four-lane corridor highway around Prichard, complete with one interchange.
3. Four-lane corridor highway around Crum, although it was originally striped for 2-lanes SB and 1 NB (in a very odd arrangement). It is now two-lanes with four-lanes fully completed, and with one half-completed diamond interchange. It has no route marker, as it is not a full bypass of Crum, and ends at a minor county route.
4. Four-lane grading at Welch, with the massive volleyball interchange at the Coalfields Expressway -- both still grades in this vicinity.
5. Four-lane corridor highway from Interstate 77 west to US Route 460. From that point north, construction is ongoing to the Bluefield/Princeton Airport.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rawr apples on January 18, 2009, 11:54:49 PM
I'd like to if any of these duplicated routes will ever be connected, with all the environmentalist out there
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: flaroads on January 18, 2009, 11:57:37 PM
Well actually it wouldn't even be the first time they duplicated a route number. There are two I-84s (CT and OR), two I-76s (PA and CO), and I believe to I-69s. It just bugs the crap out of me when they do stuff like that...  >:(

Two I-74's (like they'll ever be connected!), two I-88's, two I-86's. Heck, think of how many I-80N's that there once were?  ;)

Yes, and if you notice, ALL of those duplicates are east-west route numbers, with the exception of I-69.  But the one in Mississippi is suppose to eventually (in 20-30 years??) connect with the other, so then it would be a continuous route.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Snappyjack on January 19, 2009, 12:32:02 AM
Going back to I-85 quick, it also breaks the rules because the part from Atlanta to its end in Montgomery, AL goes to the west of 75.

Other interstates do this as well; the most notable example coming to mind being I-89 crossing I-91.

I-26 crosses to the south of I-20 as well.

And if you want to really get technical, the two I-88's could connect if they so chose to, by way of I-90 and (I believe) I-94. The two I-86's could too.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: seicer on January 19, 2009, 09:29:24 PM
I'd like to if any of these duplicated routes will ever be connected, with all the environmentalist out there

That has nothing to do with the construction of the corridor in West Virginia. It was long ago decided that it would be prohibitively expensive to construct it as an interstate facility, so it is being designed as a corridor highway -- four-lanes, with a depressed median and a 70 MPH design speed (although signed at 65 MPH). It has sparse intersections and a few interchanges, which is fine for a highway that sees less than 10,000 ADT for 90% of the route.

At $2 billion to complete ~70 miles in West Virginia, for a highway that travels through a depopulating region, where economic development won't occur, it doesn't make sense to complete it in its current form. At the current rate, it will be until 2060 until the highway is complete.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Real Life Guitar Hero on January 28, 2009, 08:18:32 PM
I believe that in like MB it was gonna be that one was gonna be SC-31 and the other would be SC-22, I cant remember but anyway I think that its that way, dont trust me I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 74/171FAN on February 16, 2009, 08:45:00 AM
I believe that in like MB it was gonna be that one was gonna be SC-31 and the other would be SC-22, I cant remember but anyway I think that its that way, dont trust me I could be wrong.
I believe that I-73 is supposed to be SC 22 and I-74 is supposed to be SC 31 with an extension of the current SC 31(Carolina Bays Pkwy) into North Carolina.  I have also read about a possible I-174 heading along the Main Street Connector from SC 31 into N Myrtle Beach.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on February 16, 2009, 12:56:13 PM
There's also a planned I-274, I think, in Winston-Salem.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alex on February 16, 2009, 01:52:22 PM
Yes, that is the Winston-Salem beltway, which is pretty much unfunded at this time.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 27, 2009, 03:56:44 PM
SC is having controversy with itself(as in the transpotation board)on I-73 (http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20090427/NEWS01/904270310/1068/YOURUPSTATE01)  The result of not having full funding to build I-73.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: njroadhorse on May 02, 2009, 01:05:36 PM
Does anybody know if the small section of SC 22 that will be left over after I-73 takes over the Conway Bypass will be renumbered or not?  I personally think it should be because that section seems too short to warrant a 2-digit designation.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: leifvanderwall on May 07, 2009, 03:10:35 PM
Well, I have a more positive feeling with the I-73/I-74 multiplex; in fact I traveled on it from Greensboro, NC to Ellerbe in 2007. I see what the feds are trying to do, but is US 52 in West Virginia from Huntington to Bluefield so congested that I-73/I-74 have to go through there? I also wonder why Ohio gave up on it. I think US 23 from the Ohio River to Findley, OH should be an interstate corridor. I really think I-73 should be on the US 29 corridor from Greensboro to Washington as a good alternate to I-95. Has the NCDOT decided on what to do with US 74?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 14, 2009, 03:55:45 PM
Quote
Does anybody know if the small section of SC 22 that will be left over after I-73 takes over the Conway Bypass will be renumbered or not?  I personally think it should be because that section seems too short to warrant a 2-digit designation.
  No but I wouldn't mind it being called SC 273 :-D   Stimulus funds approved for building part of I-73 (http://www.scnow.com/scp/news/local/pee_dee/article/nesa_committee_moves_for_i-73_construction_in_dillon_county/50026/) from I-95 to US 501 in Dillon County, SC
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: akotchi on July 30, 2009, 09:37:53 PM
Greetings from Hilton Head.  I have seen signs on I-95 signing the Lumberton Bypass as I-74/U.S. 74.  I will get pictures on the way north, as the route down was in the dark.

Since the family is along, I doubt they would let me ride I-74 . . .    :angry:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 02, 2009, 03:06:06 AM
Greetings from Hilton Head.  I have seen signs on I-95 signing the Lumberton Bypass as I-74/U.S. 74.  I will get pictures on the way north, as the route down was in the dark.

Since the family is along, I doubt they would let me ride I-74 . . .    :angry:

http://www.duke.edu/~rmalme/i74seg16.html (http://www.duke.edu/~rmalme/i74seg16.html) ;)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on August 02, 2009, 07:18:55 AM
The powers that be, IMHO, dropped the ball in allowing NC all of this latitude for a project that will never connect up, nor be finished in any meaningful way.  It is confusing to motorists, pointless, and even if completed, there are plenty of places on either "interstate" where the most logical route between two points on the route will not be the route, which should never happen.

This is my humbe solution.

Simply renumber the short section of I-74 from I-77 to US 52 as either "I-177" or "US 152" with signage of "TO US 52" or "TO I-77" beside it.

Let the rest simply carry its US route numbers.  All of the rest of both projects is multi-plexed with current US routes.  US 52, US 311, US 220, US 74.   Renumber the Conway Bypass as "ALT US 501".
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Sykotyk on August 02, 2009, 06:46:41 PM
With US-74 from I-26 through Charlotte to I-95, I always thought I-74 (if it wasn't going to legitimately be independent of the proposed I-73) should just have a second run along US-74 from I-26 east around the I-485 on the southside of Charlotte, upgrade to freeway to Rockingham. And then upgrade to freeway to Wilmington.

Let I-73 'someday' continue north of WV, but for now, just keep that from Myrtle Beach to Virginia via US-52 to that runt I-74 spur, multiplex with I-77 to I-64 and then follow, some day, US-35 to US-23 to OH-15 to Toledo, along US-23 and end near Saginaw.

Sykotyk
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: akotchi on August 03, 2009, 01:01:02 PM
Greetings from Hilton Head.  I have seen signs on I-95 signing the Lumberton Bypass as I-74/U.S. 74.  I will get pictures on the way north, as the route down was in the dark.

Since the family is along, I doubt they would let me ride I-74 . . .    :angry:

http://www.duke.edu/~rmalme/i74seg16.html (http://www.duke.edu/~rmalme/i74seg16.html) ;)

Thanks for the link.  I did not think I was discovering anything.  It's just nice to see such oddities (same route numbers) firsthand and photograph for posterity ...

I have found it strange that this piece of I-74 is so far south, between I-20 and I-40 ...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: mpgarr on August 04, 2009, 08:03:27 PM
Making the trip from SW Ohio down to the Georgia/SC coast and on down to Central Florida regularly--I have made the trip a half dozen times already in 2009 and I am not done making that trip yet this year---I would love to see both I-74 and "I-3" projects get done in my lifetime!!

I sure like to take alt routes to avoid I-75, I-26, and I-95 if I can!!! I also am not a big fan of the mountainous section of I-40 between Knox and Asheville.

I do love takikng I-77 now---I cannot wait until Kokosing finishes up the US 35 project in West Virginia. The only part of 77 that sucks is going thru Charlotte.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: exit322 on August 05, 2009, 08:55:18 AM
And you now can avoid most of the Charlotte problem with I-485 around the west side.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on August 17, 2009, 09:19:13 PM
SCDOT is applying for $300 million in TIGER grants for a six mile section of I-73 from I-95 to US 501 south of Latta.  Meanwhile, Horry County may apply for $30 million to upgrade SC 22 with paved shoulders that will move the freeway up to Interstate Standards.

Story: http://www.thesunnews.com/opinion/story/1024063.html (http://www.thesunnews.com/opinion/story/1024063.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: froggie on August 18, 2009, 06:50:15 AM
Was a big mistake on SCDOT's part not building SC 22 with paved shoulders to begin with...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on August 23, 2009, 06:25:31 PM
Federal judge denies challenge by Virginians for Appropriate Roads on I-73.

http://www.thesunnews.com/business/story/1027745.html (http://www.thesunnews.com/business/story/1027745.html)

They may file an appeal.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: lamsalfl on August 28, 2009, 08:44:18 PM
I-73 AND I-74 in the coastal Carolinas... what a complete waste of money.  Why do we need TWO roads so close to each other?  I'd rather see I-20 extended to Wilmington. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: flaroads on August 28, 2009, 08:59:01 PM
And do not forget the fact that BOTH interstates are well east of where they should be... :nod:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 28, 2009, 09:17:28 PM
And do not forget the fact that BOTH interstates are well east of where they should be... :nod:

Well, I-73 isn't that far out of place.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: lamsalfl on August 29, 2009, 01:58:39 PM
The number is the least of my concerns, unless it was like I-3 through Georgia.  Yeah the 74 number sucks, but I'd move on.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on August 31, 2009, 08:55:39 PM
It appears that SCDOT will begin ROW acquisition for I-73 later this year.

http://www2.scnow.com/scp/news/i_73/article/i-73_acquisition_plans_for_dillon_county_detailed/71608/ (http://www2.scnow.com/scp/news/i_73/article/i-73_acquisition_plans_for_dillon_county_detailed/71608/)

And they are still lobbying for stimulus funds to build the six mile stretch from I-95 to US 501.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on August 31, 2009, 09:16:06 PM
Also, the North Myrtle Beach Connector is set to open Thursday.

There's no mention of possibly becoming I-174 in the article, and from the description of the road, it's not even freeway grade.

I'm headed to North Myrtle for an extended weekend in two weeks, and I hope to check it out.

http://www.thesunnews.com/news/local/story/1045076.html?pageNum=1&&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container (http://www.thesunnews.com/news/local/story/1045076.html?pageNum=1&&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alex on September 01, 2009, 12:47:03 AM
Also, the North Myrtle Beach Connector is set to open Thursday.

There's no mention of possibly becoming I-174 in the article, and from the description of the road, it's not even freeway grade.

I'm headed to North Myrtle for an extended weekend in two weeks, and I hope to check it out.

http://www.thesunnews.com/news/local/story/1045076.html?pageNum=1&&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container (http://www.thesunnews.com/news/local/story/1045076.html?pageNum=1&&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container)

The interchange with SC 31 is just a diamond, so its not a freeway to freeway connection there.
http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=33.83998~-78.6976&style=h&lvl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1 (http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=33.83998~-78.6976&style=h&lvl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1)

The articles I've read on it do not specify a number either.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on January 09, 2010, 10:30:14 PM
NCDOT is going to hold an informal public workshop on the proposed I-73/NC 68 connector on Thursday, January 14th at Northwest High School in Greensboro.

The session runs from 4-7 pm in the school's cafeteria.

The workshop will be discussion the 13 mile project which will include a new four lane highway between NC 68 and US 220.  In addition the project widens parts of NC 68 to four lanes.

For more detail about the connector - Bob Malme has it covered:
http://web.duke.edu/~rmalme/i73seg2.html

And the story link:
http://www.news-record.com/content/2010/01/06/article/workshop_to_be_held_on_proposed_nc_68_connector
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: shoptb1 on January 09, 2010, 11:06:55 PM
... I also wonder why Ohio gave up on it. I think US 23 from the Ohio River to Findley, OH should be an interstate corridor...

The history of the I-73 proposal in Ohio (specifically in Central Ohio) is one that is laden with governmental drops of the proverbial ball.  ODOT had control over I-73 removed from their hands by the Ohio Turnpike Commission, who in turn completely mishandled the public communication in Delaware county. After which, ODOT really didn't want to have anything to do with the entire project.  For a great read on the history of this issue...check out this webpage --> http://www.roadfan.com/i73orig.html (http://www.roadfan.com/i73orig.html).  However, as you can see from my avatar, I still think this is a very important corridor in Ohio (most importantly between Columbus and Toledo, as US-23 is quite a pain in the a$$ to drive)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on January 09, 2010, 11:26:37 PM

The history of the I-73 proposal in Ohio (specifically in Central Ohio) is one that is laden with governmental drops of the proverbial ball.  ODOT had control over I-73 removed from their hands by the Ohio Turnpike Commission, who in turn completely mishandled the public communication in Delaware county. After which, ODOT really didn't want to have anything to do with the entire project.  For a great read on the history of this issue...check out this webpage --> http://www.roadfan.com/i73orig.html (http://www.roadfan.com/i73orig.html).  However, as you can see from my avatar, I still think this is a very important corridor in Ohio (most importantly between Columbus and Toledo, as US-23 is quite a pain in the a$$ to drive)

What's wrong with US 23? Outside of signals north of I-270, I have always found the US 23/OH 15 corridor a nice drive, little traffic, sometimes cop-infested but that's been my general experience with all of Ohio. I'd much rather travel to Portsmouth and up US 23, around Columbus and back up US 23 to get to Toledo or Detroit than have to go through Lexington, Northern KY, Cincy and Dayton.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: shoptb1 on January 09, 2010, 11:45:39 PM
What's wrong with US 23? Outside of signals north of I-270, I have always found the US 23/OH 15 corridor a nice drive, little traffic, sometimes cop-infested but that's been my general experience with all of Ohio. I'd much rather travel to Portsmouth and up US 23, around Columbus and back up US 23 to get to Toledo or Detroit than have to go through Lexington, Northern KY, Cincy and Dayton.

Don't get me wrong...once you get outside of Delaware-Marion, it's pretty smooth sailing (outside of the numerous speed traps).  However, the growth on US-23 from I-270 up through Marion create ridiculous delays these days.  I usually take OH-315 as an alternative, but then I'm still stuck with fighting the traffic through Delaware.  US-23 south of Columbus is not too bad, but that area hasn't really increased in population too badly since the road was designed.  It would be nice to have a better bypass around Circleville, but other than that, it's a pleasant drive.  

It just seems that compared to all of the other large population centers in Ohio, Toledo/Detroit still seem to be lacking a direct connection to the capital city.  It's probably no coincidence that the area that most needs improvement is the one that generated the most public dissidence 15 years ago during the planning phases.  Just my $.02 though...and that doesn't seem to be spurring any activity with ODOT  :-D
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on January 11, 2010, 08:56:16 PM
Came across this post with a few construction photos of the soon to be open I-73/74 Visitor's Center in Randolph County.

http://fromthegrounduppots.blogspot.com/2010/01/randolph-county-visitor-center.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 12, 2010, 10:32:46 AM
As far as I-73 in Ohio, the paper in the link is 10 years old, but very little has changed in 15 years up there.
http://www.roadfan.com/i73orig.html (http://www.roadfan.com/i73orig.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: shoptb1 on January 12, 2010, 12:00:20 PM
As far as I-73 in Ohio, the paper in the link is 10 years old, but very little has changed in 15 years up there.
http://www.roadfan.com/i73orig.html (http://www.roadfan.com/i73orig.html)

Yes, the official response by ODOT to any response regarding I-73 is that "The current interstate system serves Ohio very well and there are no plans to expand this system at this time."
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on January 14, 2010, 10:28:33 PM
Details of the NC 68/US 220 I-73 Connector from plans NCDOT sent me and from Bob Malme, who attended
tonight's meeting, is up at the blog.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2010/01/details-of-nc68us-220-i-73-connector.html

News Story:
http://www.news-record.com/content/2010/01/13/article/residents_can_review_68_connector_plan
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: deathtopumpkins on February 02, 2010, 09:55:12 PM
I'm planning on taking a roadtrip down into NC sometime soon to clinch the currently built sections of I-73/74 (some of the info posted here piqued my interest). Here's what my plan looks like so far, though I am a bit iffy on the 16 hours of driving: http://tinyurl.com/nc-roadtrip
Any suggestions, or other interesting nearby things to check out?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on February 03, 2010, 11:09:07 AM
Are you doing this as a one or two day trip?

One suggestion I would have is instead of doubling back on US 52 from Mt. Airy to Winston.  Take 77 up to US 58 and cut accross to Martinsville or Danville and take US 220 (Future I-73) or US 29 (Future I-785) down to Greensboro.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on February 03, 2010, 01:40:31 PM
I didn't realize they had started numbering the exits on I-140...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on February 03, 2010, 02:14:31 PM
http://www.gribblenation.com/ncexits/i140nc.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: deathtopumpkins on February 03, 2010, 02:49:52 PM
Are you doing this as a one or two day trip?

One suggestion I would have is instead of doubling back on US 52 from Mt. Airy to Winston.  Take 77 up to US 58 and cut accross to Martinsville or Danville and take US 220 (Future I-73) or US 29 (Future I-785) down to Greensboro.

Well I would like to do it in one day but I don't think it's feasible, as i just couldn't squeeze it into daylight hours.

And I could cut east on 58 and then go back south, but that would lengthen the trip to more around 19 hours, according to google. I would prefer to just take US-58 all the way east back home, I just chose US-52 to I-85 because it's supposed to be faster. If I end up splitting this up into two days, however, I most certainly will stick to US-58 on the way home.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on February 03, 2010, 11:01:30 PM
No, I-74 is not going to be changed to run from Wilmington to Charlotte...

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2010/02/i-74-in-charlotte.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: froggie on February 03, 2010, 11:19:45 PM
One thing with taking 77 up to 58 is you'd be able to check out status of the Hillsville bypass construction.

And I'd suspect that Google is somewhat overrepresenting travel time on 58 now, for two reasons:  it doesn't factor in that all of 58 east of Stuart is now 4 lanes.  And it also doesn't factor in that much of 58 is now signed for 60 MPH.  With the several-years-ago completion of the Danville and Clarksville bypasses, the only real slow-downs east of Martinsburg are a few signals east of Danville, from South Hill to Brodnax, through Emporia, and the west side of Suffolk.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: deathtopumpkins on February 04, 2010, 08:57:30 AM
One thing with taking 77 up to 58 is you'd be able to check out status of the Hillsville bypass construction.

And I'd suspect that Google is somewhat overrepresenting travel time on 58 now, for two reasons:  it doesn't factor in that all of 58 east of Stuart is now 4 lanes.  And it also doesn't factor in that much of 58 is now signed for 60 MPH.  With the several-years-ago completion of the Danville and Clarksville bypasses, the only real slow-downs east of Martinsburg are a few signals east of Danville, from South Hill to Brodnax, through Emporia, and the west side of Suffolk.


Ah-ha... yes it would!

And I typically cut at least an hour off of the directions from google. I don't know how they calculate the estimated travel times, but I assume that since it no longer recognizes many of the bypasses as freeways it assumes them to be slower. I also don't think google factors in the speed people actually drive. I don't think I'd be doing precisely 60 the whole way on 58. ;)
What would you estimate the actual time at?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on February 04, 2010, 05:02:19 PM
I've found google to be very accurate at estimating time, but then again, I actually drive within 5 mph of the speed limit at almost all times.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on February 07, 2010, 10:53:23 PM
One thing with taking 77 up to 58 is you'd be able to check out status of the Hillsville bypass construction.


I'd have to second (or is that third or fourth) the US 58 recommendation. It's a pretty drive. Plus there are all those cutouts in Hillsville to see if you are into such things. And the drive on I-77 north of the state line is interesting as well, although I think it's even more interesting southbound.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on February 16, 2010, 09:57:28 AM
No, I-74 is not going to be changed to run from Wilmington to Charlotte...

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2010/02/i-74-in-charlotte.html

NCDOT has fixed the erroneous shield:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seroads/message/9357
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 23, 2010, 04:21:22 PM
Bob Malme take a look at the progress on the Future I-74/US 311 freeway to where it will tie into I-73/US 220:

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2010/10/i-74us-311-randolph-county-progress.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 27, 2010, 12:40:29 AM
So, since Bob is moving back North, what will happen to his website on I-73/74?  Will it stay at the current URL, or will it move to a new one?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 27, 2010, 08:36:21 AM
It will be moving over to our site.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 27, 2010, 07:55:40 PM
Then you should have Bob post a new URL link on the current site before the move so people can get their favorites updated before the old site goes dead. ;)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 27, 2010, 10:20:40 PM
I don't know when Bob will move or what he will file it under.  That is his choice.  He has all his info saved.  So if it is removed from Duke University, nothing will be lost.  I am sure once he is settled he will make a conversion, I am sure moving his website is the least of his priorities at the moment.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jwolfer on November 03, 2010, 05:03:24 PM
I really don't like I-74 in NC.  I think the current US 74 freeway from I 26 to Charlotte and the existing I-74 should be I-28 all the way to Wilmington and leave US-74 on the surface roads .. It would fit better in the interstate grid, avoid the 73/74 multiplex and as others have said  we will be lucky to have this road completed thru OH, KY and WV in our lifetimes

IMO I-20 should be extended to Myrtle Beach
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on November 15, 2010, 02:47:56 PM
Looks like Monday the 22nd is when the next segment of I-74 will open here in NC.

http://www.news-record.com/content/2010/11/12/article/new_section_of_us_311_to_open_later_this_month#nrcRgn_PgBody

I may be able to get out and take photos of the new road on the 26th or 27th.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: mightyace on November 15, 2010, 03:02:16 PM
A line is the article is optimistic.

Quote
Eventually, U.S. 311 will become part of the Interstate 74 network, which will link the Midwest to the coast of South Carolina.

If by eventually, they mean the next 100 years, then they may be right.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: njroadhorse on November 15, 2010, 04:10:54 PM
Just curious about something.  I was heading down the US 52 freeway between Mount Airy and Winston Salem on Saturday, and I was wondering what/how much upgrade work besides that interchange in downtown Winston-Salem with BL-40 needs to be done to US 52 before they can sign that as I-74.  I still find it a little silly to sign I-74 between 77 and 52 but abruptly end it there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on November 15, 2010, 04:46:58 PM
You have the left hand exits at Pilot Mountain (Old US 52) and the NC 66 connector (King).  Substandard ramps along the older parts of the highway in Surry County the Pilot Mountain State Park interchange comes to mind.

Some areas lack shoulders etc.  I know that a total rebuild and improvement of the King/Tobaccoville Interchange is underway.

Can it be I-74 now, yeah for the most part, but modern standards won't allow it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on November 15, 2010, 04:55:52 PM
You have the left hand exits at Pilot Mountain (Old US 52) and the NC 66 connector (King).  Substandard ramps along the older parts of the highway in Surry County the Pilot Mountain State Park interchange comes to mind.

Some areas lack shoulders etc.  I know that a total rebuild and improvement of the King/Tobaccoville Interchange is underway.

Can it be I-74 now, yeah for the most part, but modern standards won't allow it.
The NC 66 connector is where the interchange with the Winston-Salem loop is planned. It is also where I 74 will exit US 52. US 52 from there to I 40 is not planned to be upgraded to interstate standard. South of I 40, US 52 is planned to be I 285. If they ever upgrade that mess of exits in downtown Winston, I 285 could be extended north to I 74.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on November 17, 2010, 10:25:53 PM
Last February, South Carolina received $10 million in TIGER Grant money for
Interstate 73. They had asked for $300 million. But the grant money will not
be wasted, as South Carolina has finalized plans for some preliminary
construction work for when the Interstate highway will eventually be built.

The grant money will be used to widen nearly one mile each of US 301 and 501 at
where the Interstate will cross both roads south of Latta. Also, the current
intersection of US 301/501 just outside of Latta will be improved. US 301 and
501 will be widened from two lanes to three.

In addition, the Catfish Church Road bridge over I-95 and frontage roads in the
general area will be replaced and moved. Catfish Church Road crosses Interstate
95 just south of where the I-73/I-95 interchange will be located.

Construction should start in 2011 and be completed in about a year's time.

Story Links:
http://www2.scnow.com/news/2010/nov/05/plans-10m-i-73-federal-grant-approved-ar-1054447/
http://www.thesunnews.com/2010/11/09/1802133/money-coming-for-bit-of-i-73.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 18, 2010, 10:28:13 PM
I may be able to get out and take photos of the new road on the 26th or 27th.

Can't wait.  Especially to see if it's going to be posted as I-74 in addition to US-311.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 19, 2010, 01:09:59 AM
I just saw this link posted over @ seroads by Bob.
http://www.myfox8.com/news/wghp-story-hwy-311-ribbon-101118,0,1285301.story

It contains a video as well showing new signs and the news crew traveling on the new highway.  Unfortunately, it doesn't provide any proof on if it will also be posted as I-74/US-311, or as Future I-74/US-311, or just plain US-311.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on November 19, 2010, 07:44:36 AM
A few years ago Bob posted a link to the sign plans that have it with 311 and 74.  The bypass will be at least signed as US 311.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on November 19, 2010, 09:21:34 AM
I drove US 311 through the area November 10th. They were putting up the BGS over the road at the I 85 Business/US 29/US 70 exit. The BGS had I 74 and US 311 shields for the through lanes. Bob has published photos of I 74 milemarkers on the unopened road. It looks like it is signed I 74/US 311 on the new road from I 85 Business to Cedar Square Road. Whether the I 74 signage extends west to the Main Street (Old Business 311) exit is to be determined.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Buummu on November 26, 2010, 02:54:02 PM
Drove on the new opened part of the freeway from Business I-85 to Cedar Square Rd.. I am pretty impressed with the roadway. The only thing is: why would NCDOT label I-74 between Main St (former Business 311) to Cedar Square Rd as I-74/US 311, while from there to I-40 is labeled Future I-74/US 311? I know about the interstate standard rule and the future Winston-Salem loop, but why bother labeling the road as I-74 if it is not connected from I-40 to I-85? (that will change when the road is finished towards US 220). Although the Winston Salem loop is not funded and is ranked last in the NCDOT priority, who knows when we will see I-74 extended up north from I-40 to meet up with the northwest I-74 that leaves from US 52 towards I-77.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on November 28, 2010, 08:17:20 PM
I did get out to High Point yesterday and got photos of the new I-74.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2010/11/photos-from-new-high-point-section-of-i.html

and the entire set on flickr (93 photos).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/15530177@N05/sets/72157625359697893/
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Grzrd on April 27, 2011, 12:29:24 PM
Last February, South Carolina received $10 million in TIGER Grant money for
Interstate 73. They had asked for $300 million. But the grant money will not
be wasted, as South Carolina has finalized plans for some preliminary
construction work for when the Interstate highway will eventually be built.
SCDOT has recently approved $105 million in funding for the Dillon County, S.C. I-73/I-95 interchange:

http://www.carolinalive.com/news/story.aspx?id=608945

http://www2.scnow.com/news/pee-dee/2011/apr/22/funding-approved-dillon-county-i-73-interchange-ho-ar-1750518/
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on April 27, 2011, 01:48:47 PM
Not so fast,

First, it appears that there is no approval to build the five miles of highway that would link I-95 and US 501 via I-73.  (Which is what SC originally asked for in TIGER grants).  If that is the case, then it's just for an interchange to nowhere at this point.

Second, there are a few more steps to clear before dirt will fly.

http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/04/22/2116499/some-money-approved-for-interstate.html#storylink=misearch

"However, the funding still must clear several more hurdles before it becomes final. First, it must gain approval from the state’s Joint Bond Review Committee and then it must be approved by the state’s Budget and Control Board"


 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Grzrd on April 27, 2011, 02:20:48 PM
there are a few more steps to clear before dirt will fly.
http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/04/22/2116499/some-money-approved-for-interstate.html#storylink=misearch
"However, the funding still must clear several more hurdles before it becomes final. First, it must gain approval from the state’s Joint Bond Review Committee and then it must be approved by the state’s Budget and Control Board"
The I-73 project is one of several that SCDOT has approved in anticipation of the joint bond issue, and SCDOT is soliciting comments on these projects until May 26:

http://www.scdot.org/inside/public_comment_statewide_interstate.shtml

it appears that there is no approval to build the five miles of highway that would link I-95 and US 501 via I-73.
Here is SCDOT's pdf of the project, which indicates that I-73 would tie into US 501:

http://www.scdot.org/inside/pdfs/public_comment_dillon_county.pdf

The pdf indicates that the project would need an additional $80.5 million in earmarks to meet its total $185.5 million price tag.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on April 27, 2011, 03:03:59 PM
Correct.  So more accurately - SCDOT started the financing process for the I-95 to US 501 segment, which basically serves as a true freeway alternate to the four lane SC 38 connection from I-95 to US 501.  They may only need $70.5 million as a result of the $10 million grant which is being used for items on the fringes of the overall 5.7 mile project's boundaries.

Even with the likely bond approvals, it will be an interchange to nowhere - if the state never receives $70-80 million in earmarks.  In this political climate, it's quite possible for the additional monies not to be authorized.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Buummu on April 28, 2011, 11:27:12 AM
That section of the freeway will receive Future I-73 shields in the future, I am sure... at least until everything is built.


Speaking of NC, in Asheboro area, they are widening the shoulders throughout the US 220 freeway to interstate standards, which means.... they are being serious about labeling US 220 as I-73.

I-74/US 311 is now under construction... the last segment towards US 220.

Is there any update on the US 220 Rockingham, NC Bypass? Just wondering..
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 28, 2011, 08:19:44 PM
That section of the freeway will receive Future I-73 shields in the future, I am sure... at least until everything is built.

I'm sure that if they get the section built from I-95 to US-501, they will post it as I-73 from the start.  That or they'll get AASHTO approval to make it a temporary I-x95 Spur.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Buummu on April 28, 2011, 10:28:03 PM
yeah or the "FUTURE I-73 CORRIDOR" sign
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 28, 2011, 11:04:18 PM
yeah or the "FUTURE I-73 CORRIDOR" sign


Trust me, since it will connect to another Interstate, they will post it as a full Interstate (look @ I-74 up in NC with it's newest segments that connect with I-85/I-95 as an example).  It's just a matter if it will be I-73 or I-x95 till it goes farther than US-501.  No "FUTURE I-73 CORRIDOR" stuff will be posted on it UNLESS it's posted as I-x95 imo.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on April 29, 2011, 10:43:45 AM
Why would you go through the process of getting one number if you're just going to change it?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on April 29, 2011, 01:08:53 PM
Why would you go through the process of getting one number if you're just going to change it?

So folks can talk about it in forums like these.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Buummu on April 29, 2011, 03:59:48 PM
true lol.. but still is fun to drive on a new interstate in the future....
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Buummu on April 29, 2011, 04:02:44 PM
I also think that I-73 between Greensboro, NC and Myrtle Beach, SC will be finished first.... before any construction can be done north to Roanoke, VA.......
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on April 29, 2011, 07:40:44 PM
I also think that I-73 between Greensboro, NC and Myrtle Beach, SC will be finished first.... before any construction can be done north to Roanoke, VA.......
I think so, too (same goes for I-74 in NC), but unless WV, OH and MI change their minds about the route, then Congress has really screwed it up big-time!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Buummu on April 29, 2011, 11:02:05 PM
WV is slowly building their part.. that is from what i heard a few years ago...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on April 30, 2011, 12:29:19 AM
Not as a freeway, they're not. Though to be technical it's the "I-73/74 High Priority Corridor", not Interstates 73 and 74. There has been no legislation designating this corridor as a future Interstate, and only portions southeast of I-81 have been approved as Interstates by the FHWA. Much like the I-3 and I-14 proposals, it will likely never become an Interstate in the Ohio Valley.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 30, 2011, 12:36:18 AM
Not as a freeway, they're not. Though to be technical it's the "I-73/74 High Priority Corridor", not Interstates 73 and 74. There has been no legislation designating this corridor as a future Interstate, and only portions southeast of I-81 have been approved as Interstates by the FHWA. Much like the I-3 and I-14 proposals, it will likely never become an Interstate in the Ohio Valley.

And if no new alignment is built for I-74 in OH & WV, we always have the option of connecting I-74 in OH and NC together by multiplexes.

I-75 > I-75/I-71 > I-75 > I-64/I-75 > I-64 > I-64/I-77 > I-77

To be honest, I'd always thought that the I-74 in NC should be a Southern I-79 (with I-79 multiplexed with I-77 to NC).  But stuff like that should be talked about in the Fictional area. ;)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Buummu on April 30, 2011, 01:19:17 AM
yeah that is possible... there can always be a interstate multiplexes... like rickmastfan67 said..

As for I-73, if no new alignment is built, I-73 can always multiple with I-81 south and go up on US 460 (that cloverleaf).. then end it at I-77 for now. But, most likely I-73 will just be VA, NC and SC interstate until who knows.

I do not know about I-74.. looks like if I-74 isnt going to be built in Ohio Valley, there will be 2 separate I-74s.. just like I-84, I-86 and I-88.

but I like the idea of Southern I-79.... anyways.....
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alps on April 30, 2011, 02:35:00 PM
Why would you go through the process of getting one number if you're just going to change it?
Ask Arkansas I-130, I mean I-69, apparently I mean I-49.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: froggie on April 30, 2011, 04:39:14 PM
You mean I-49.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 30, 2011, 11:52:37 PM
Why would you go through the process of getting one number if you're just going to change it?
Ask Arkansas I-130, I mean I-69.

Don't forget Arkansas I-540 (Northern segment), I mean I-49.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alps on May 01, 2011, 02:34:13 AM
Why would you go through the process of getting one number if you're just going to change it?
Ask Arkansas I-130, I mean I-69, no, really, 49, sorry.

Don't forget Arkansas I-540 (Northern segment), I mean I-49.
I-164, I-69, but that's different. 130 is being planned with the knowledge that 49 is coming. I don't know that 540 was the same.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on May 01, 2011, 01:14:07 PM
Anyone know where I could find a map of the proposed 73 and 74 routes?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Buummu on May 01, 2011, 01:27:29 PM
www.i73.com
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Grzrd on May 01, 2011, 01:56:19 PM
Anyone know where I could find a map of the proposed 73 and 74 routes?
Here is a link to a map of I-73's route from I-81 to North Carolina state line on VDOT's website:
http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/I73/i73-maps.asp#

Here is a link to NCDOT's map of I-73 and I-74 routes:
http://www.ncdot.org/planning/development/TIP/i73and74.htm

Here's a link to SCDOT's I-73 North map:
http://www.i73insc.com/northern_map.shtml

And, a link to SCDOT's I-73 South map:
http://www.i73insc.com/southern_map_detail.shtml
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Revive 755 on May 01, 2011, 02:38:11 PM
Is it just me, or does that U-turn on I-74 in eastern NC look kind of screwed up?  Seems it should go south from Whiteville into SC, or east into Wilmington, not go halfway to Wilmington and change its mind.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Grzrd on May 01, 2011, 03:17:30 PM
Is it just me, or does that U-turn on I-74 in eastern NC look kind of screwed up?  Seems it should go south from Whiteville into SC, or east into Wilmington, not go halfway to Wilmington and change its mind.
Here is a link to NCDOT's I-74 Feasibility Study for this area (click on the I-74 Feasibility Study Report pdf link toward the bottom of the page):
http://www.ncdot.org/projects/I74feasibility/

There are maps on pages 31/46 and 32/46  of the above pdf which shows how I-74 would fit into North Carolina's looooong-term transportation strategy.  The maps include an extension of I-20 from Florence, SC to Wilmington; I-74 and I-20 multiplex for a relatively short distance, and then I-74 branches off and I-20 continues into Wilmington.  Also, the maps assume I-74 will have a terminus in Myrtle Beach; I-74, after leaving I-20, goes down to the US 17 corridor and follows it to Myrtle Beach.  All of which sorta/kinda explains the U-turn.  I doublechecked: NCDOT does not have a Fictional Projects page  :-D.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 01, 2011, 06:38:37 PM
Is it just me, or does that U-turn on I-74 in eastern NC look kind of screwed up?  Seems it should go south from Whiteville into SC, or east into Wilmington, not go halfway to Wilmington and change its mind.

Well considering congress legislated I-74 to go to South Carolina.  Although, that hasn't stopped some for arguing I-74 to go to Wilmington.

As for the I-20 proposal, that came directly from former Governor Mike Easley.  When first proposed, South Carolina had no comment - which pretty much meant they aren't interested.

http://web.duke.edu/~rmalme/prog74.html

http://web.duke.edu/~rmalme/i74seg18.html#i20nc

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Revive 755 on May 01, 2011, 06:51:39 PM
I'm still not seeing why a corridor generally along NC 130 or NC 905 wasn't considered.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 01, 2011, 07:42:57 PM
Because they knew folks from outside the area and suggested it - and decided against it.  Honestly, I don't know and really at this point does it matter on the corridor.  It's not even going to see daylight until well after 2020, and so many things can change between now and then that they could move I-74 to Wilmington (they've already moved it to Myrle Beach from Charleston), they could renumber it, they could ditch the whole thing, who knows what.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Grzrd on May 02, 2011, 08:34:04 PM
Not so fast ... there are a few more steps to clear before dirt will fly."

Here is a new BIG step to clear; EPA is asking Army Corps of Engineers to deny wetlands permit for South Carolina I-73 construction:

http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/04/30/2130223/frozen-in-midstride.html

Quote
... In a March 28 letter, the EPA asked the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to deny a wetlands permit, saying an upgrade to existing roads might be preferable.
The federal agency said the state had relied on outdated data to justify the highway and newer information shows that modifying current roads could cause less harm to the environment. If road proponents can't mollify the EPA, the agency could see that the permit is never approved. The corps has federal jurisdiction to issue wetland permits, but the EPA can take control of a permit and deny it if the agency thinks the environmental impacts are too substantial.
Transportation officials have so far been silent on the EPA's missive, but the hurdle this creates could be significant for the Grand Strand's proposed connection to the interstate highway system ...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Grzrd on May 04, 2011, 01:59:44 PM
In a March 28 letter, the EPA asked the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to deny a wetlands permit, saying an upgrade to existing roads might be preferable.

EPA sent another letter on April 28, which speaks in even more forceful terms about why a wetlands permit should be denied for I-73, and also suggests an upgrade of S.C. 38/US 501 as a preferred alternative:

http://www.thestate.com/2011/05/04/1804415/epa-fights-beach-freeway.html

Quote
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s top regional official recommends denying a wetlands permit for a new freeway to Myrtle Beach, saying Interstate 73 “will have substantial and unacceptable impacts’’ on important natural areas of eastern South Carolina, according to a letter released Tuesday.
Regional administrator Gwendolyn Keyes Fleming’s involvement escalates a growing dispute between government regulators and boosters of Interstate 73, a long-anticipated road that would cut through about 80 miles of the state’s rural Pee Dee region between McColl and Conway .... the Keyes Fleming letter, dated April 28, is a significant warning that could force changes in the road’s design — and ultimately denial of a wetlands permit if those plans aren’t altered. To build the road, the state Department of Transportation wants to fill 272 acres of wetlands, an unusually large amount in South Carolina.
The Keyes Fleming letter, written to the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, is the second by the agency in a month urging denial of a wetlands permit for I-73. A letter last month said the DOT had used flawed data in studying the best route for the road, estimated to cost $2.4 billion in South Carolina. The most recent letter has greater weight than the previous letter, written March 28, because it was signed by Keyes Fleming, instead of a lower level staff member ...
Officials with the S.C. Department of Transportation, which applied for a wetlands permit from the Corps of Engineers, declined to talk about the matter this week. Corps officials had no timetable on a decision for the wetlands permit ...
In the April 28 letter, Keyes Fleming suggested that one of the existing routes to the beach could be upgraded more cheaply and with less damage to the environment than constructing the proposed new road. The letter urges more study of alternate routes.
“EPA recommends the consideration of (the) existing S.C. 38/U.S. 501 route, along with phased upgrades, as the preferred alternative for the I-73 corridor, as it is an existing four-lane highway with upgrade potential,” she wrote. “This recommendation is proposed as a lower impact alternative.”

EDIT

Quote
It’s an overreach by unelected bureaucrats,’’ ... “We’re going to fight that.’
So says South Carolina US Senator Lindsey Graham.
http://www.thestate.com/2011/05/05/1805877/graham-blasts-epa-for-opposing.html

The article suggests that the EPA may be receiving some guidance from the Southern Environmental Law Center.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Grzrd on June 10, 2011, 11:19:16 PM
The I-73 project is one of several that SCDOT has approved in anticipation of the joint bond issue, and SCDOT is soliciting comments on these projects until May 26

In terms of the people who bothered to submit comments during the Comment Period, overwhelming support exists for the I-95/I-73 interchange project:

http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/06/10/2213214/comments-show-support-for-interstate.html

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Debate over Interstate 73 could heat up in Columbia next week ... The S.C. Department of Transportation commissioners will get an update Thursday on its proposed $344 million bond package, which includes part of I-73 at Interstate 95 and four other projects ... The list of projects racked up 1,098 comments during the 30-day comment period, with 894 supporting the bond proposal and 204 opposing it, according to an e-mail sent to the commissioners ... Of those supporting the bond package, 873 specifically were in support of I-73 while 21 gave general support of the bond package, according to the e-mail. Of the comments opposed to the bond package, 162 specifically opposed I-73, while 42 opposed the bond package ... “The people overwhelmingly support it,” said Danny Isaac of Myrtle Beach, chairman of the DOT commissioners ... Isaac said he expects a tame meeting Thursday, saying six of the seven commissioners support I-73 and the piece of the project in the bond package, which would build an I-73 interchange at I-95 and five miles of the road to Latta ... Even if it has the support, the I-73 project still has a ways to go before construction can start in South Carolina. The comment period was required before projects can be added to the Statewide Transportation Improvement Plan, and funding must be identified before they can be added, DOT spokesman Pete Poore said ... “Before the bonds can be considered for approval, SCDOT would need to fine tune project costs, bond draw-down schedules, timing of the bond issues, etc.,” he said. “Once this is all nailed down, then approvals need to come from the Joint Bond Review Committee, State Treasurer and the Budget and Control Board.” ...  DOT aims to go to the Joint Bond Review Committee between November and January, Poore said. Isaac aims to have the permit from the U.S. Corps of Engineers by February. I-73 would pass through four counties in South Carolina -- Horry, Marion, Marlboro and Dillon -- and is estimated to cost about $2 billion ... “It still has to go through many steps,” Poore said. “It’s always a long process.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Jerseyman4 on July 30, 2011, 05:04:48 PM
Only my 2nd post... forgive me if this particular discussion has been talked about already:

I think the biggest problem with I-73 and I-74 in North Carolina is the area between Asheboro and Randleman. The state has no long-term plans to widen it to 6 lanes and make improvements to the 4 lane freeway with consolidating exits along the Asheboro bypass. Heres why: Asheboro has a lot of commuters going to Greensboro which seems to double the AADT counts after the US 64 exit. Secondly, there are too many exits between US 64 and the Vision Drive Exit with left/right lane exit ramps. Third, what is going to happen with I-74 being completed from Mount Airy/VA State line to Randleman where all of the out of state traffic (OH, WV, MI) bombard the multiplex section between Randleman and Asheboro? It will be interesting how much traffic would potentially increase when US 311/I-74 connects US 220/I-73 in Randleman from the Center Square Road exit in the coming months around 2012. US 220/I-73 north of Randleman should see fewer through traffic from out of state vacationers.
Title: First I-73 Dirt Soon To Be Turned in S.C.?
Post by: Grzrd on September 17, 2011, 11:30:16 AM
Project involving what will arguably be first I-73 dirt turned in South Carolina has been approved by SCDOT, should begin in a couple of months, and should be completed in 2013:
http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/09/15/2391106/i-73-project-gets-boost.html

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The first construction work associated with controversial Interstate 73 won approval from state road commissioners Thursday in a decision heavily criticized by opponents of the $2 billion freeway into Myrtle Beach ... In the next three months, construction crews are expected to begin rebuilding a bridge that would later make it easier to construct the superhighway through eastern South Carolina, according to the S.C. Department of Transportation. The work would be done sometime in 2013 ...Critics said the state Transportation Commission’s 5-1 vote for the relatively small bridge project – costing $11.5 million – is an attempt to jump start the interstate project, which is drawing increasing scrutiny over its cost and environmental impact on eastern South Carolina ...  Commissioner Sarah Nuckles, who voted against the bridge work, said the commission’s vote is a bigger deal than many people might realize ... “This is the first dirt moved” for I-73, Nuckles said. “This is very significant.” ... Thursday’s decision awards the work to a company to begin the bridge project near Latta in Dillon County. The work will make it easier to build an interchange linking I-73 to I-95, officials said. The interchange would cross Interstate 95 ... “The bridge ..... will be replaced with a longer bridge with a higher vertical clearance,” the DOT said in a statement after Thursday’s meeting. “This bridge must be replaced to accommodate the future ramps associated with the I-95/I-73 interchange.” ... But even if I-73 is never constructed, agency officials insisted the bridge work approved Thursday will make roads safer and easier to travel in rural eastern South Carolina. In addition to a new bridge across I-95, the project also will widen parts of two roads, U.S. 501 and S.C. 301, and make interchange improvements near the path of the proposed interstate ...  “It is a complementary part of it that would be necessary to accommodate I-73, yes,” said John Walsh, the DOT’s deputy secretary for engineering. “The beauty of the project is that it also is a valid, stand-alone project.” ...

Also, here is a link to a video report about an I-73 public forum that was held in Florence Sept. 16:
http://www.carolinalive.com/news/story.aspx?id=664128

Here's a link to an article about the Sept. 16 meeting containing an exchange between a coastal politician and an Upstate SCDOT Commissioner/I-73 opponent which reflects the interstate haves vs have-nots tension also seen in similar debates in other states:
http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/09/16/2391976/opponents-expected-at-meeting.html

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Sarah Nuckles, a DOT commissioner from Rock Hill who opposes the road, said there is no justification for the expense, and that people will come to Myrtle Beach anyway. She also questioned the accuracy of economic projections and expected job creation.
Rep. Nelson Hardwick, R-Surfside Beach, stood up and waved his arm and cried out for her attention.
``Has I-85 been good for the Upstate?’’ he asked her.
``Yes it has,’’ Nuckles said.
``Thank you,’’ Hardwick replied.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jwolfer on September 26, 2011, 11:34:49 AM
...... It's not even going to see daylight until well after 2020, and so many things can change between now and then that they could move I-74 to Wilmington (they've already moved it to Myrle Beach from Charleston), they could renumber it, they could ditch the whole thing, who knows what.

I like renumbering US 74  to I-28  from I-26 thru Charlotte and on to Wilmington.  Don't even bother with the I-74 wet dream through VA, WV and OH.  Maybe would have happened in 1955 but never now.  Not to mention having I-74 coming down to the I-2x territory and duplicate of US 74 and I-74 in the same state and on the same road
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Grzrd on November 15, 2011, 04:29:56 PM
Facing the grim reality of scarce state and federal funds, Horry County, S.C. is considering using local funding to pay for I-73: either an extension of a 1 1/2% hospitality tax or implementation of a 1% increase in the sales tax:
http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/11/14/2493997/an-i-73-plan-if-we-want-it.html

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... here’s the idea in a nutshell:
The county’s tax funds from RIDE – the Road Improvement Development Effort that built much of S.C. 31, S.C. 22 and dozens of other projects – are scheduled to come to an end at the close of 2021. In fact, because the 1.5 percent tax on lodging, restaurants and attractions is authorized to collect only so much money and revenues have been higher than expected, it could end as soon as 2020.
Gray and others are hoping to extend that RIDE tax for up to 20 more years to pay for construction of I-73, at least from the road’s interchange with I-95 near Florence to its Grand Strand terminus at S.C. 22. Barring that, another option under consideration is to let the hospitality tax lapse and instead enact a 1 percent sales tax across the board to help pay for the highway ...

Here's a link to an earlier, Nov. 7, article:
http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/11/07/2486023/myrtle-beach-horry-county-and.html

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Building the I-73 connector between I-95 and S.C. 38 is possible using Horry County RIDE 1 sales tax money ... said Myrtle Beach City Councilman Wayne Gray at Monday’s joint meeting between the city, the county and members of the legislative delegation.
Gray asked the officials present to consider forming a committee to explore the ideas of using some of the RIDE 1 1.5-cent sales tax revenue for the project, or extending the tax past its sunset date in 2023 to pay the estimated $600 million bill.
He said he recognizes that people will ask why Horry County tax funds should be used to build a project in Dillon, Marion and Williamsburg counties.
“Because it’s the right thing to do,” Gray said. “We will be the biggest beneficiary of that road.” ...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on December 27, 2011, 08:57:30 AM
Bob Malme reviews 2011 and previews 2012 for I-73:

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2011/12/i-73i-74-in-nc-year-in-review-part-1.html

He gives an update on the Asheboro US 220 improvement projects and discusses the I-73 contracts that will be out to bid in 2012 including the first part (of 3) of the NC 68/US 220 connector north of Greensboro, and the first segment of the Rockingham Bypass that will connect existing I-73/74/US 220 to the US 74/Future I-74 route south of Rockingham.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on December 27, 2011, 01:00:39 PM
And Bob has the 2011 year in review for I-74 in NC up as well:

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2011/12/i-73i-74-in-nc-year-in-review-part-2.html

Also, the King/Tobaccoville interchange reconstruction on US 52 (Future I-74) is finished, upgraded to standards, and the roadway was configured for possible expansion to six lanes.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on January 17, 2012, 02:04:31 PM
A unit of Michael Baker Corporation has been selected to do the final design for the 5.7 mile segment of I-73 in South Carolina from I-95 to US 501.

The contract award was $5.1 million - nothing in this press release on when this step will be completed or when construction will begin.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/baker-selected-by-south-carolina-dot-to-design-new-section-of-interstate-highway-2012-01-16
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on February 03, 2012, 02:15:06 AM
Is it just me, or does that U-turn on I-74 in eastern NC look kind of screwed up?  Seems it should go south from Whiteville into SC, or east into Wilmington, not go halfway to Wilmington and change its mind.

I think it's hilarious...what should happen is that I-74 should end in Wilmington at the eventual extension of I-140, and if the Carolina Bays Parkway is extended north from SC, then it could be an I-x74 North/South designation. (or it could also be an I-x73 since it will come via the Conway By-Pass)

I-20 is a pipedream, it'll never reach the border of SC/NC. just sayin.

Fixed quote. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on February 03, 2012, 03:31:30 AM
An I-20 extension would be pointless. It would be 70 miles long yet only save 10 miles over the I-95 to I-74 route.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on February 06, 2012, 12:36:27 PM
An I-20 extension would be pointless. It would be 70 miles long yet only save 10 miles over the I-95 to I-74 route.
Besides, it could've been extended to Myrtle Beach when the opportunity was there years ago; that would've been a better eastern terminus than Wilmington.

Is it just me, or does that U-turn on I-74 in eastern NC look kind of screwed up?  Seems it should go south from Whiteville into SC, or east into Wilmington, not go halfway to Wilmington and change its mind.

I think it's hilarious...what should happen is that I-74 should end in Wilmington at the eventual extension of I-140, and if the Carolina Bays Parkway is extended north from SC, then it could be an I-x74 North/South designation. (or it could also be an I-x73 since it will come via the Conway By-Pass)

I-20 is a pipedream, it'll never reach the border of SC/NC. just sayin.

Fixed quote. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67
I like that idea! I think an I-x73 number would be a better fit for the highway, since the first piece of I-73 is already there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on March 09, 2012, 06:37:25 PM
NCDOT awards project on another small piece of I-73 in Greensboro. This is on one of the multiple segments of the US 220/NC 68 connector that will become I-73.

https://apps.dot.state.nc.us/pio/releases/details.aspx?r=6158

Bob Malme has more - including some signing samples - on the blog:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2012/03/ncdot-awards-next-i-73-project.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 13, 2012, 12:39:45 PM
Does anyone have any pictures or updates (besides looking at the "progress report" from NCDOT) on the last piece of the I-74/US 311 connector to Randleman?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on March 13, 2012, 12:45:58 PM
Does anyone have any pictures or updates (besides looking at the "progress report" from NCDOT) on the last piece of the I-74/US 311 connector to Randleman?
From October: http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2011/12/i-73i-74-in-nc-year-in-review-part-2.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 05, 2012, 03:19:14 PM
Thought that since I've joined this forum, I would post my own I-73/74 info instead of you having to rely on others to forward it to those who are interested.

Latest I-73/I-74 in NC news since the year in review blog post:
1. The US 311 Bypass (I-74) project is 85.8% complete as of the end of April. Not much progress has occurred in the past couple months as progress has only gone up about 2%. Still NCDOT is forecasting an October 2012 opening. My local contact in the Randleman area reports all the bridges are complete, except for work on the railroad bridge just south of the future freeway interchange with current 311. I will be heading to NC next month for 8 weeks and hope to get new photos of the construction work.

2. US 220 (Future I-73/74) through Asheboro. Construction, according to NCDOT, is 72.3% complete as of the end of April. Work is proceeding on the left-hand shoulders north of US 64/NC 49. The project south of there to NC 134/Business 220 is mostly complete. My contact reports new exit signage along with new exit numbers have gone up along this stretch (for those with exit lists at home, the new numbers are 68 for NC 134/Business 220 and 71 for McConnell Rd). According to an Asheboro newspaper article in March, the remainder of the new signage and exit numbers in the project area should go up at work's completion, currently scheduled for late October. NCDOT has a project to update signage and exit numbers south of Asheboro to Ellerbe, but that will not start until the summer of 2013. Until then probably some motorist confusion. North of Asheboro, the numbers will probably be changed to I-73 mileage too, at least up to the I-74 interchange, at the conclusion of that project.

3. Work started last month on the US 220 widening phase of the US 220-NC 68 Connector Project which will take I-73 north of Greensboro, and perhaps eventually to VA. Work on the Connector won't start for another couple years, but the beginning of the interchange between the Connector and US 220 will be started as part of the current project. For those who haven't seen my blog post:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2012/03/ncdot-awards-next-i-73-project.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2012/03/ncdot-awards-next-i-73-project.html)

4. For those that did not see the year-in-review blog post referred to in earlier posts, the FHWA has allowed NCDOT to sign the US 220 freeway as an interstate, both north of Asheboro and south of Candor once the construction project in Asheboro is complete. It will be interesting to see how quick the Future I-73 (I-73/I-74) shields are replaced in those sections. That's all I have for now.

I-73/I-74 in NC: (as of now still updated through the Fall of 2010): http://www.duke.edu/~rmalme/prog7374.html (http://www.duke.edu/~rmalme/prog7374.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on June 16, 2012, 05:38:02 PM
Last Weekend, Bob, Chris Allen, and I did some exploring on the progress of I-74 in Randolph County.

Bob's Roadtrip Report:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2012/06/road-trip-along-i-73i-74-corridor.html

My photo set:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamontheroad/sets/72157630150484034/
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 17, 2012, 01:36:46 PM
Thank you guys for the updates on 73/74. I remember about 15 years ago when I first traveled the first completed by-pass work south of Candor, and even though I don't live in that area anymore, I am still very interested in its progress (hometown Winston-Salem). Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CarolinaPaladin on June 18, 2012, 12:30:35 AM
Does anyone know if a route connecting I-73/I-74 in Randleman to US-64 toward Siler City or to US-421 towrad Liberty is somewhere in the pipeline?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 20, 2012, 01:53:13 PM
I can't be more than happy for how NC and SC is trying to make the interstates come true. I dont know about Virginia though.. I think that in the future, I-73 will just exist from Roanoke to Myrtle Beach, and I-74 from I-81 southward as well.

Is there more pictures on the US 220 improvements though Asheboro? Just wondering.

When is the new updated I-73/74 website up and running?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on June 20, 2012, 02:23:40 PM
Does anyone know if a route connecting I-73/I-74 in Randleman to US-64 toward Siler City or to US-421 towrad Liberty is somewhere in the pipeline?
The only new highway in the pipeline for that area is the US 64 bypass of Asheboro, which will be built south of town. It will run between town and the zoo. It will provide a highway access to the zoo. The long term intent is for US 64 to be four laned with freeway bypasses of towns for its entire length. However, no proposals for bypasses of Siler City and Ramseur have surfaced yet.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 21, 2012, 11:02:52 PM
I can't be more than happy for how NC and SC is trying to make the interstates come true. I dont know about Virginia though.. I think that in the future, I-73 will just exist from Roanoke to Myrtle Beach, and I-74 from I-81 southward as well.

Is there more pictures on the US 220 improvements though Asheboro? Just wondering.

When is the new updated I-73/74 website up and running?
Hopefully, within the next few weeks. I have to update my original 2010 web page files with new info and photos and then work on uploading everything to a new server (while I'm back at Duke, my volunteer status prevents me from accessing my files on their server). Meanwhile, any new I-73/74 info will be posted here.

I have several more pics of the Asheboro area that will be posted on the web page, when it is up. Next time, hope to get shots heading northbound.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 13, 2012, 10:55:16 AM
Bad and good news to report on the two I-73 and I-74 construction projects going on in NC. First the bad, due to delays in completing two bridges and possibly other problems, the completion date for the I-74 freeway between Cedar Square Road and US 220 has been pushed back from late October to the end of 2012. The good news is the reconstruction project for US 220 through Asheboro is still scheduled to be completed in about 2 months, on October 16. Most of the remaining construction work surrounds the NC 42, left side, interchange.

You can view the latest photos of the I-74 construction progress in my latest blog entry:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2012/08/last-pre-opening-i-74-freeway-progress.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2012/08/last-pre-opening-i-74-freeway-progress.html) it has links to my prior post covering progress in completing I-73/74 through Asheboro.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 03, 2012, 10:38:51 PM
On the 10th anniversary of the debut of my I-73/I-74 in NC website, I have revised and updated the pages with information through this past August and have placed them on a new server. The new URL is: <url>http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/prog7374.html</url>

I am still in the process of placing the latest photos from this past summer on some of the pages. Given my current residence in MA, I would welcome any updates or photos from anywhere along the I-73/I-74 corridor. Contact information is listed on the main page. Comments or suggestions about the site are appreciated.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on September 04, 2012, 12:59:17 PM
Nice-looking and informative website, as usual.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 09, 2012, 11:07:15 AM
Good News/Bad News on the I-73/I-74 in NC front. The good news is that the project to improve US 220 through Asheboro is ahead of schedule. NCDOT reports its 99.1% done as of 9/30 and to be completed next week (10/16). This will allow NCDOT to sign the rest of US 220 north to I-85 in Greensboro as official I-73 or I-73/I-74 (though this may not happen until next summer). Also the US 311, I-74 freeway project was 95% complete at the end of September. While press reports indicate a December completion, at this rate it could be open sooner.

The bad news is the letting of the first part of the US 220 Rockingham Bypass has been delayed from next month to May 2013 due to unresolved issues regarding the moving of utilities in the highway ROW. This will not delay the completion of the entire project, however, since the next 2 parts are not scheduled for construction until 2019.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alps on October 10, 2012, 11:55:04 PM
Good News/Bad News on the I-73/I-74 in NC front. The good news is that the project to improve US 220 through Asheboro is ahead of schedule. NCDOT reports its 99.1% done as of 9/30 and to be completed next week (10/16). This will allow NCDOT to sign the rest of US 220 north to I-85 in Greensboro as official I-73 or I-73/I-74 (though this may not happen until next summer). Also the US 311, I-74 freeway project was 95% complete at the end of September. While press reports indicate a December completion, at this rate it could be open sooner.

Cool. I'll be past there Monday and make sure to take a look.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on October 11, 2012, 12:31:23 PM
On the 10th anniversary of the debut of my I-73/I-74 in NC website, I have revised and updated the pages with information through this past August and have placed them on a new server. The new URL is: <url>http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/prog7374.html</url>


I am still in the process of placing the latest photos from this past summer on some of the pages. Given my current residence in MA, I would welcome any updates or photos from anywhere along the I-73/I-74 corridor. Contact information is listed on the main page. Comments or suggestions about the site are appreciated.


So did I see right that there are I-74 mile markers in Forsyth County as of July 2012?!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 15, 2012, 09:57:28 PM
Two new items on I-73/I-74. First, a couple travelers up the US 220 corridor report that I-73/74 is signed officially through Asheboro as far north as Vision Drive with the completion of the upgrade project. The new exit signs all have I-73 mileposts, and the most northern reads mile 75. Once the FHWA signs off on the completion of the Asheboro upgrade project, NCDOT can replace the Future I-73 signs north to I-85 in Greensboro with official I-73 shields (and Future I-74 north with official I-74 shields as far north as Randleman). They can also replace all the future signs south to Ellerbe as well. This may not happen though (with the exception of the stretch between Asheboro and the I-74 freeway when it opens) until a contract to replace all the exit signs is let sometime in 2013.
Second, NCDOT has posted letters on its Route Changes webpage sent to the FHWA Regional Office in Raleigh requesting the remainder of the US 311 Bypass freeway from Cedar Square Rd to US 220 be added to the Interstate system as I-74 and that the FHWA recognize US 311 between I-40 and High Point as Future I-74. The first is largely a formality, however the second is interesting for 2 reasons, one-they've had this route signed as Future I-74 since 2008 and two-the official I-74 is supposed to leave US 311 on the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway before hitting I-40. Perhaps they want to tie the western end into an Interstate, or its a contingency plan in case the Beltway completion is put on hold and they get permission to route I-74 through Winston-Salem, at least temporarily.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on October 16, 2012, 06:32:54 AM
Bob, that is an amazing development and update. Thank you for all your hard work with information from  those projects. As a native to Winston-Salem, I am giddy to think that we will finally get recognition for I-74, besides one little "future corridor sign" on each side of the highway.

So I guess I still have 2 questions though...

To your last point, would a waiver be granted to take away the "future" on I-74 in Forsyth County so (as you speculated) it ties in to an interstate (40) even though the
Long term plan is to turn it north by union cross rd along the eastern belt line? (which I think we all realize is a long ways off). I used to travel that section of 311 back and forth when I worked in HP and even though the shoulders might not be interstate standards, the exits are IMHO.

And 2, is the last leg of the HP east belt still scheduled for completion by the end of the year? would this mean I-74 is official from ellerbe to High Point? That was the only part of your post I was a bit confused about...

Thanks and I also  enjoy the blog and your site dedicated to 73/74 on the new server...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 16, 2012, 11:18:15 AM
So I guess I still have 2 questions though...

To your last point, would a waiver be granted to take away the "future" on I-74 in Forsyth County so (as you speculated) it ties in to an interstate (40) even though the
Long term plan is to turn it north by union cross rd along the eastern belt line? (which I think we all realize is a long ways off). I used to travel that section of 311 back and forth when I worked in HP and even though the shoulders might not be interstate standards, the exits are IMHO.

And 2, is the last leg of the HP east belt still scheduled for completion by the end of the year? would this mean I-74 is official from ellerbe to High Point? That was the only part of your post I was a bit confused about...

Thanks and I also  enjoy the blog and your site dedicated to 73/74 on the new server...
Thanks for the site comments. As to your questions: NCDOT's letter to the FHWA regarding the future I-74 designation implies that, at least for now, they're not considering applying for a waiver for US 311 in Forsyth. I agree the major issues are with the shoulders and not the exits. Ironically though, as shown with the waivers allowed through the Asheboro area regarding the current exits there, the FHWA seems more concerned with getting the shoulders up to standard before granting interstate status than deficiencies in off and on-ramps.

Yes, when I-74 is completed by the end of the year, the route will be official (though it may not be signed that way in some places for a while) from High Point to just beyond Ellerbe. And you will be able to take an uninterrupted 4-lane road without stoplights, mostly freeway, if not an interstate, all the way from Mt. Airy to just north of Rockingham. The Future/I-74 route from I-40 to I-73 should be helpful to people going to Asheboro and points further south and east from the Winston-Salem area and back wanting to avoid Greensboro.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on October 17, 2012, 07:21:18 PM
Just saw a story (link below) on Fox8 WGHP High-Point that completion of I-74 8 mile stretch has been pushed back *again* to...get this...April 2013! :-/

http://myfox8.com/2012/10/10/311-bypass-project-delayed-again/
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 17, 2012, 09:39:14 PM
Delayed again? Wow. I was so looking forward to drive on the new road. oh well, at least it's not delayed one year. I wonder if that will affect the signing of I-73 north to Greensboro since now the opening is delayed. Does everyone have the pictures of the I-73/I-74 completed through Asheboro? I would like to see them.

I also wonder if US 220 will be moved back to the old routing (from where I-73/US 220 meets Business 220 at Level Cross exit) or? I know that NCDOT put US 117 back on its original routing after I-795 is signed..
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on October 21, 2012, 10:08:39 PM
I finally got a chance to drive segment 8 of I-73 today....looked great. I took pictures and will upload them later, or send them to Adam Prince, whichever is easier. As predicted signs changed to "future" once I reached segment 7, except overhead.

I was also excited to see the skinny I-74 mile posts *inside* Forsyth County, even though it was "Future I-74" along US 311.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 22, 2012, 10:31:38 AM
I finally got a chance to drive segment 8 of I-73 today....looked great. I took pictures and will upload them later, or send them to Adam Prince, whichever is easier. As predicted signs changed to "future" once I reached segment 7, except overhead.

I was also excited to see the skinny I-74 mile posts *inside* Forsyth County, even though it was "Future I-74" along US 311.
I would be happy to post some of your photos once you upload then on my Segment 8 page, as well. Contact info on the main page http://www.simmons.edu/~malme/prog7374.html (http://www.simmons.edu/~malme/prog7374.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 22, 2012, 10:34:17 AM
Please send them to Bob...I don't have time to really work on anything at this point.  He'll be able to add them to his site and/or the blog a lot quicker than I could.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on October 22, 2012, 10:44:50 AM
Please send them to Bob...I don't have time to really work on anything at this point.  He'll be able to add them to his site and/or the blog a lot quicker than I could.

I will do that, I am still out of town but I don't work again until tomorrow so I'll get time to upload them tonight at home. Happy to help, I'm sure the drivers on the highway thought I was crazy or in distress on the side of the road haha, stayed in the car most of the time though. Took the pics with my iPad, which did an awesome job IMHO.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 22, 2012, 01:00:43 PM
jcarte29, I am glad you took pictures of that segment. I am not in NC at this time, but I wanted to see how it look like. So exciting that NC is finally about to sign I-73 north to Greensboro (especially on the overhead boards that needs to be signed.. whether it is "Future" or "Interstate". Still disappointed about the delay of US 311 bypass though.

Also I am excited about NC moving their 73/74 projects faster. Hopefully SC and VA will do the same. (I know they have their own issues to deal with)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on October 22, 2012, 05:40:52 PM
I think NC is really the only state that interested in I-73 and I-74; they seem to be dragging the other states along.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 22, 2012, 11:19:50 PM
Yeah and they are also the first state to sign I-73/I-74. so yes they are really interested into signing them around the state.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on October 23, 2012, 10:44:48 AM
Well, I hope my pictures got to Bob, I received an immediate "undeliverable" but I think it was because of my old school email addy, I cc'd it so I could check and see if it worked lol. But now that the pictures are on my computer, I can post to Flickr (sp?) or any other method you might see fit...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on October 23, 2012, 10:48:12 AM
...Hopefully SC and VA will do the same. (I know they have their own issues to deal with)

SC looks like it will, VA is going to be years and years away, IMHO.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on October 23, 2012, 10:48:25 AM
you can always post to the Southeast Roads Facebook Group
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on October 23, 2012, 10:54:51 AM
you can always post to the Southeast Roads Facebook Group

great idea, just sent the "request" to be added. Didnt even know bout it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on October 23, 2012, 11:28:36 AM
I think NC is really the only state that interested in I-73 and I-74; they seem to be dragging the other states along.
...Hopefully SC and VA will do the same. (I know they have their own issues to deal with)

SC looks like it will, VA is going to be years and years away, IMHO.
As this would be entirely east of I-77, and I-75 for that matter, this, at the very least, should've been a southern extension of I-79! In fact, I have some old atlases with that route drawn in, using parts of the I-73 and I-74 as proposed here.

Unless WV, OH and MI reconsider their decisions, the number as it is makes absolutely no sense at all. Then again, I-99 is so far west of I-95 that this would be rendered moot.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 23, 2012, 12:11:35 PM
Please send them to Bob...I don't have time to really work on anything at this point.  He'll be able to add them to his site and/or the blog a lot quicker than I could.

I will do that, I am still out of town but I don't work again until tomorrow so I'll get time to upload them tonight at home. Happy to help, I'm sure the drivers on the highway thought I was crazy or in distress on the side of the road haha, stayed in the car most of the time though. Took the pics with my iPad, which did an awesome job IMHO.
I've posted jcarte29's photos and they are available at:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2012/10/photos-of-new-i-73i-74-segment-through.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2012/10/photos-of-new-i-73i-74-segment-through.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 23, 2012, 05:44:16 PM
saw the pictures.. they look really good. about time NCDOT did the upgrading to interstate standards the right way. I hope I will make the trip down there myself sometime this year. (I am not in NC at this moment)

However, I wonder why they didn't bother to make I-73/I-74 routes north of Greensboro and northwest of Winston Salem... and the Rockingham Bypass road with jersey medians instead of green medians.. shouldn't that save money down the road?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 03, 2012, 10:28:50 PM
NCDOT has released the plans for the upgrading of signing along what will be I-73 and (south of Randleman) I-74 along the total length of US 220 from Greensboro to Ellerbe (except around Asheboro). The contract will be let later this month. To get a preview of the signs, follow the link (warning: large PDF file):
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Division%208%20Letting/12-11-2012/I-5329_I73-74%20Signing_Final%20
connect.ncdot.gov (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Division%208%20Letting/12-11-2012/I-5329_I73-74%20Signing_Final%20
connect.ncdot.gov)
Check out the switch NCDOT is pulling with US 220, putting it back on its old route from Candor to Ellerbe (what will AASHTO think of that?)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on December 03, 2012, 11:25:40 PM
Check out the switch NCDOT is pulling with US 220, putting it back on its old route from Candor to Ellerbe (what will AASHTO think of that?)
If US 117 is any indication, AASHTO won't notice or won't care. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 03, 2012, 11:53:07 PM
Another update on I-73:

I drove on US 220 north of Greensboro. Right now, the road is ongoing a widening project. There are a lot of orange barrels on both sides of the highway. As soon as I drove past Winfree Road, the construction is very noticable. It appears that the new roadway is being built right next to US 220 (on the left of the road, actually). The ramp from I-73 South to US 220 South (the flyover one) is coming nicely. (of course there's no bridge built yet, but if you drive south on US 220 you can clearly see the grading of the highway AND the ramp). From what I assume, the current US 220 will probably become a part of the local road in the future (side road). Seems like there are a lot of roadwork before the US 158 interchange. But after I drive through the US 158 interchange, it seems like the proposed roadway shifts from left side to right side. When I drive through the area again during the daylight, I will take pictures of them. Any ideas who or where I can send the pictures to the I-73/74 website so it can be updated?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on December 04, 2012, 01:20:31 AM
NCDOT has released the plans for the upgrading of signing along what will be I-73 and (south of Randleman) I-74 along the total length of US 220 from Greensboro to Ellerbe (except around Asheboro). The contract will be let later this month. To get a preview of the signs, follow the link (warning: large PDF file):
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Division%208%20Letting/12-11-2012/I-5329_I73-74%20Signing_Final%20
connect.ncdot.gov (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Division%208%20Letting/12-11-2012/I-5329_I73-74%20Signing_Final%20
connect.ncdot.gov)
Check out the switch NCDOT is pulling with US 220, putting it back on its old route from Candor to Ellerbe (what will AASHTO think of that?)

Link doesn't work.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 04, 2012, 02:46:50 AM
Any ideas who or where I can send the pictures to the I-73/74 website so it can be updated?

Talk to bob7374 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8125) here.  He's the one that created the I-73/74 NC website. ;)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 04, 2012, 10:50:06 AM

Any ideas who or where I can send the pictures to the I-73/74 website so it can be updated?

Sorry about that, you can try to link through the main page for the December 12 letting here:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=8&let_date=2012-12-11%2000:00:00 (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=8&let_date=2012-12-11%2000:00:00)
Scroll down the page to TIP No: I-5329 "Upgrade signs to interstate standards along I-73/74 from I-85 in Guilford County to south of Ellerbe in Richmond County." Click on the fifth link down 'signing_final_plans_optm.pdf.' This is working as of this morning.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on December 04, 2012, 01:21:51 PM
Was it also previously known that US 311 would not be paired with I-74 down to I-73/US 220?

News to me, anyway...


Mapmikey
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 04, 2012, 02:06:25 PM
No. US 311 will leave I-74 before the interchange with I-73/US 220. I have no idea why.. since US 311 will end a mile away at I-73/US 220 as well... unless they plan on extending US 311 to end at Business 220 just east of the interchange.


I am not aware that NCDOT plans to move US 220 back on the old route between Candor and Elliebe. (sp?). It is understandable because these towns of Candor, Norman and Elliebe needs a US route to go through their town...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on December 04, 2012, 03:49:28 PM
Mike,

The signing plans for the currently under construction I-74 project and the I-73/74 interchange led to some speculation (I think it was between Bob and myself) that NCDOT was going to route US 311 off of the freeway prior to I-73.  This confirms that speculation. As for why or if anything else will be done is anyone's guess.

Strider,

None of us were aware of the US 220 proposed re-route until Bob gave us the link to the signing plans.  Also, you can contact him in regards to photos.


Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 04, 2012, 08:14:52 PM
I don't know about the proposed re-route of US 220 as well. I guess it's one of NCDOT's secrets.. haha.
Title: S.C.'s I-73: Tolls "Likely" Component of Funding?
Post by: Grzrd on December 07, 2012, 09:50:53 PM
Arguments continue over the legitimacy of various studies regarding I-73 in South Carolina, but this TV video report (http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/20281415/economists-compare-i-73-studies-find-factual-errors) is interesting because it includes a state representative stating that tolls would "likely" be part of a private component of overall funding for I-73.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 07, 2012, 10:05:01 PM
These people needs to stop complaining about studies and all that.. Toll or no toll, I-73 needs to be built so Myrtle Beach will finally be served by an interstate. Have they even thought about it I-73 is built.. it can lead the traffic away so SCDOT may can plan to fix 501 and make the road looks better in the future (of course, money wise).

Why they didn't extend I-20 to Myrtle Beach still puzzles me.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on December 08, 2012, 07:50:51 AM

Why they didn't extend I-20 to Myrtle Beach still puzzles me.

Population of Horry County, 1960:  68K.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on December 08, 2012, 11:27:38 AM
These people needs to stop complaining about studies and all that.. Toll or no toll, I-73 needs to be built so Myrtle Beach will finally be served by an interstate. Have they even thought about it I-73 is built.. it can lead the traffic away so SCDOT may can plan to fix 501 and make the road looks better in the future (of course, money wise).

Why they didn't extend I-20 to Myrtle Beach still puzzles me.

Here Here!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 08, 2012, 09:02:35 PM
either way, it is NICE to have I-73 connect Myrtle Beach with the Triad area.. giving it a straight shot to the popular beach in SC.. hopefully people in SC finally cooperate and let the construction to proceed. If it have to be paid by tolls, so be it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on December 08, 2012, 11:09:21 PM

Why they didn't extend I-20 to Myrtle Beach still puzzles me.

Population of Horry County, 1960:  68K.



According to the Book, "The South Carolina Highway Department: 1917-1987" by John Hammond Moore:

Traffic trying to reach Myrtle Beach was thought to be problematic in the late 1950s (notably Marion) where cops had to supplement traffic signals.  It was considered a crisis by 1966.   This was the impetus for the construction of SC 576.

US 501 had already bypassed Conway and multilaned over to the beach in 1959.

My guess is that there was no push for I-20's original plan to go to Myrtle Beach because the state was already addressing it.  Also there were louder voices in SC arguing about I-95 being too far from Charleston and I-26 not going to Greenville among other gripes.

In 1972 a toll road bill existed and two of the projects suggested were a Myrtle Beach connector to I-95 and a Myrtle Beach connector to Rock Hill/Charlotte area.  After several years of study the SCDOT concluded that toll roads in SC would not be workable financially and fee increases to finance projects were shot down by the General Assembly.

The book also notes that then-Senator Hollings tried very hard in 1986 to win federal money for a 69-mile highway from I-95 to Myrtle Beach.  I vaguely remember newspaper articles about extending I-20 from that time or earlier but obviously he was not successful.

South Carolina has tried to relieve traffic by promoting on I-95 more than one way to get over there (US 521 from Manning to Georgetown and US 378 from Turbeville to Conway) and doing spot improvements on those roads.  Then they built the SC 22 freeway.

They made a mistake with the SC 317-becomes US 17 bypass of Myrtle Beach because they didn't make it a full freeway.  That road became unusable as a real bypass pretty quickly necessitating the need for the SC 31 freeway.

Mapmikey
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 09, 2012, 10:55:56 AM
sounded like SCDOT's mistake for not forecasting the growth of Myrtle Beach at that time.

And the previous toll road proposals should have been gone through the General Assembly. Fee increases shouldn't be necessary because SO many traffic heads to Myrtle Beach. It was interesting that the General Assembly shot it down.

I have a bad feeling that tolling the entire I-73 is going to be the only problem-solver in SC.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: StogieGuy7 on December 13, 2012, 04:05:06 PM
OK, there's I-73 and there's the NC part of I-74.  And I am still having trouble understanding why both are needed when they appear to be concurrent for the vast majority of the routing.   

They seem redundant, yet 73 should generally run north-south while 74 should be aligned east-west (roughly).   :hmmm:

It just seems like a waste.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 18, 2012, 10:59:04 PM
Thanks to fellow AA Forum poster, Strider, I have added 7 new photos related to constructing I-73 along current US 220 north of Greensboro. You can access them directly through my I-73 Segment 2 page:
http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/i73seg2.html (http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/i73seg2.html)
I am currently in the process of upgrading my 2002 era web pages by recoding them using HTML 5 and CSS3 style sheets, so I apologize for any glitches or formatting problems that crop while the site is an active construction zone. Besides revising the look of the I-73 segments 6-11 along US 220, I have added new information from plans for the upcoming sign replacement contract. Hopefully, I'll have news on the I-74 freeway soon. Paving is reportedly complete, just lane striping and signs are apparently left, hopefully it will open before April.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 19, 2012, 11:16:31 PM
Hey Bob, was looking at the I-73 Seg 2 page and noticed some errors.

If you look at the bottom of that page, the left and right arrows are enlarged big time (including the I-73 shield) compared to all of your other pages.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 03, 2013, 11:13:24 AM
While awaiting news on the opening date of the I-74 freeway to Randleman, here's my second annual I-73/I-74 Year in Review article I posted on New Year's Eve:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2012/12/i-73i-74-in-nc-year-in-review-and-2013.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2012/12/i-73i-74-in-nc-year-in-review-and-2013.html)
Enjoy.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 19, 2013, 11:21:17 AM
Some unexpected news regarding I-74. I was checking through the NCDOT Route Changes site when I noticed the I-74 application letter had moved to the approved section. From checking the newly posted material in the most recent I-74 folder, it appears the FHWA has given NCDOT permission to sign the US 311 freeway from I-40 east to High Point (also signed as Future I-74) as a true interstate and that the route has been added to the interstate system.

NCDOT's original application from early in 2012 asked simply that this part of US 311 be confirmed as a future interstate route. In the meanwhile, it appears, NCDOT engineers sent documentation to the FHWA that convinced them that both the older and newer US 311 freeway (from High Point to Cedar Square Rd in Randolph County) were interstate standard. The Oct. 4 letter from the FHWA administrator thus has approved all 22.1 miles of the combined freeway sections as I-74. Do not know when NCDOT plans to upgrade the signage. Maybe something for someone to check out once the other end of the I-74 freeway at US 220 opens (still probably not until spring).

There are other new route change applications of note on the NCDOT page. In particular, they have put in links to applications for I-285 and the East End Connector in Durham (currently, they are not linked to any documentation however).  There are also unlinked new US and state route listings. The route changes page can be reached at:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Pages/Route-Changes.aspx (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Pages/Route-Changes.aspx)
The I-74 documentation is at: https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2012_10_04.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2012_10_04.pdf)
I have also updated my I-74 Segment 5 page: http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/i74seg5.html (http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/i74seg5.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: roadman65 on January 19, 2013, 12:03:23 PM
I do not know if this is true as googlemaps are often wrong about designations, but I saw that the Rockingham- Hamlet Bypass of US 74 is officially I-74 and not future I-74 as it has been signed due to lack of connection to other interstates. It was done that way I thought until at least one of the other two freeway segments are completed either north of Rockingham or between Hamlet and Laurinburg.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Rockingham,+NC&hl=en&ll=34.932386,-79.766579&spn=0.142422,0.299034&sll=27.698638,-83.804601&sspn=9.834914,19.138184&oq=roc&t=m&hnear=Rockingham,+Richmond,+North+Carolina&z=12
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on January 19, 2013, 12:24:19 PM
I do not know if this is true as googlemaps are often wrong about designations, but I saw that the Rockingham- Hamlet Bypass of US 74 is officially I-74 and not future I-74 as it has been signed due to lack of connection to other interstates. It was done that way I thought until at least one of the other two freeway segments are completed either north of Rockingham or between Hamlet and Laurinburg.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Rockingham,+NC&hl=en&ll=34.932386,-79.766579&spn=0.142422,0.299034&sll=27.698638,-83.804601&sspn=9.834914,19.138184&oq=roc&t=m&hnear=Rockingham,+Richmond,+North+Carolina&z=12

Roadman, it is signed on the road as "Future I-74." I drove the route a week ago yesterday from Monroe to Wilmington. I took pictures of the completed interchanges with NC 211 and Future I-140 in ENC where I reside. :)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on January 19, 2013, 01:57:57 PM
Bob, after some more digging, I did see that there is a project (DH00095, according to NCDOT) showing for the upgraded signing of I-73/I-74 in Guilford, Randolph, Montgomery, Richmond Counties, showing a completion date for October of this year (2013). Nothing found yet for the project to upgrade signing in Forsyth though (For sure it wouldn't be expensive or take a lot of effort, mile posts are up already.)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on January 22, 2013, 12:48:33 AM
News on a couple projects (of note, 4 are mentioned total) to both widen and improve US 74 (Future I-74) in Eastern North Carolina...


http://fayobserver.com/articles/2013/01/09/1229228?sac=fo.community/columbus
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on January 22, 2013, 08:41:58 AM
News on a couple projects (of note, 4 are mentioned total) to both widen and improve US 74 (Future I-74) in Eastern North Carolina...


http://fayobserver.com/articles/2013/01/09/1229228?sac=fo.community/columbus

The bridge replacement is on US 74 just east of Laurel Hill.  Which will have to be bypassed in some fashion  when US 74 is upgraded from Rockingham to Laurinburg.

The paving and widening of 74 from Whiteville to NC 214 east of Bolton is interesting as somewhere along that stretch I-74 could make a right turn to head towards US 17 and South Carolina.  I'm guessing the widening means they will add shoulders.  I doubt they will close any of the at-grade intersections on that stretch of 74.

I believe the other project is just a standard resurfacing project.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on January 25, 2013, 08:00:49 AM
I'm gonna drive US 74 this morning from Wilmington to I-95 and back and document it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on February 07, 2013, 01:33:29 AM
http://myfox8.com/2013/02/06/more-delays-for-i-74-connector/

Here we go again...grrr
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on February 07, 2013, 12:24:15 PM
Aww man, oh well. They better get that thing done because I want to drive on it! lol. They still haven't started the sign replacement (at least in Greensboro area) yet. The US 220 connector work north of Greensboro is finally resuming.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on February 07, 2013, 12:47:14 PM
I see a road trip to Rockingham in May or June then.3

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on February 07, 2013, 02:50:25 PM
Aww man, oh well. They better get that thing done because I want to drive on it!

My thoughts exactly. Keep me posted with the sign project in G'Boro area, I would like to get up there when its fully signed and the Randleman connector is open.

One more thing if you are local to the Triad Strider, if you can keep an eye on a project to upgrade signage to I-74 from Main St exit High-Point to I-40 in S.E. Winston. I am more eager for that than the other projects haha.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on February 08, 2013, 12:17:12 AM
Aww man, oh well. They better get that thing done because I want to drive on it!

My thoughts exactly. Keep me posted with the sign project in G'Boro area, I would like to get up there when its fully signed and the Randleman connector is open.

One more thing if you are local to the Triad Strider, if you can keep an eye on a project to upgrade signage to I-74 from Main St exit High-Point to I-40 in S.E. Winston. I am more eager for that than the other projects haha.

Ok, I can try... I haven't heard anything about when they will be starting to do the sign replacement.. they should have go ahead and start that instead of waiting around.. maybe they are still making signs.

Fixed quote. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on February 08, 2013, 01:01:31 AM
You are very right...

They were so quick to put up I-74 mileposts (regardless that at the time it was still "Future I-74" and exit numbers according to I-74 mileage it wouldn't take much to upgrade signage and add I-74 signs at the what, 4 intersections in the 11 miles?!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on February 20, 2013, 11:01:17 PM
NCDOT has announced project that will re-sign future I-73 and I-74 sections of US 220 as I-73 or I-73/74 and upgrade exit signage along the route will start next Monday (2/25). Apparently project also includes changing exit signs on future I-840/I-73 section as well. Press release includes exit list.
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=7778 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=7778)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on February 20, 2013, 11:27:50 PM
Oops, apparently Asheboro has a new highway, NC 29...it's supposed to be NC 49.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on February 21, 2013, 01:01:57 PM
NCDOT has announced project that will re-sign future I-73 and I-74 sections of US 220 as I-73 or I-73/74 and upgrade exit signage along the route will start next Monday (2/25). Apparently project also includes changing exit signs on future I-840/I-73 section as well. Press release includes exit list.
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=7778 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=7778)

The future I-840/I-73 section is interesting. I guess the road is meant to make I-73 a priority road instead of I-840 (i know the loop won't be completed for quite some time). But, I'd say.. ABOUT TIME!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 04, 2013, 01:14:06 AM
I-74 in Winston-Salem/Forsyth County is a reality, signs will show it by Summer 2013 :)

http://www.journalnow.com/news/local/article_d99a3f4c-8460-11e2-a1ff-001a4bcf6878.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 04, 2013, 09:33:28 PM
I-74 in Winston-Salem/Forsyth County is a reality, signs will show it by Summer 2013 :)

http://www.journalnow.com/news/local/article_d99a3f4c-8460-11e2-a1ff-001a4bcf6878.html
I have updated my I-74 Segment 5 page with information from the article. Guess I'll have to make room for new sign photos: http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/i74seg5.html (http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/i74seg5.html)
As for the unopened section from Glenola to US 220, still no word on an opening date. Hopefully, next month.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 05, 2013, 12:28:22 AM
Well, I was curious on which Interstate would be "official" in Forsyth first, 74, or 285. I am very happy that it will be 74.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on March 05, 2013, 01:37:11 AM
Speaking of I-285, the new advanced guide signs in Davidson County for Exit 87 do not mention either I-285 or Business I-85 (though an auxiliary guide sign mentions Business I-85) and it appears that there's not even room for either.

Then again, the guide signs for future I-785 in Greensboro (exit 223 off I-40) don't have room for, or mention, I-785.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 05, 2013, 09:19:58 AM
I-74 in Winston-Salem/Forsyth County is a reality, signs will show it by Summer 2013 :)

I have updated my I-74 Segment 5 page with information from the article. Guess I'll have to make room for new sign photos: http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/i74seg5.html (http://web.simmons.edu/~malme/i74seg5.html)

Just my humble opinion, get rid of all the current photos when the new ones are taken, cause sometimes loading those pages takes longer because of all the collected pics over the years...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 05, 2013, 12:26:11 PM
Speaking of I-285, the new advanced guide signs in Davidson County for Exit 87 do not mention either I-285 or Business I-85 (though an auxiliary guide sign mentions Business I-85) and it appears that there's not even room for either.

Then again, the guide signs for future I-785 in Greensboro (exit 223 off I-40) don't have room for, or mention, I-785.


Do you mean I-40 exit 227 (or I-85 exit 131).. I-785 will be following I-840, not US 29.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on March 05, 2013, 12:42:49 PM
I thought it was US 29 to Danville.  Seems weird to have a spur concurrent with a loop
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 05, 2013, 01:16:06 PM
I thought it was US 29 to Danville.  Seems weird to have a spur concurrent with a loop

Yes, I-785 will follow I-840 northwest to US 29 then follow US 29 all the way to Danville. I do agree with you it seems weird.

I would have choosen I-785 to follow US 29/70 from I-73/I-85 and follow I-40 then up north on US 29. Oh well.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 05, 2013, 03:05:37 PM
I thought it was US 29 to Danville.  Seems weird to have a spur concurrent with a loop

Yes, I-785 will follow I-840 northwest to US 29 then follow US 29 all the way to Danville. I do agree with you it seems weird.

I would have choosen I-785 to follow US 29/70 from I-73/I-85 and follow I-40 then up north on US 29. Oh well.

My thoughts exactly, especially now that I-40 is back on its old route, that was the first good decision (or reversed decision) that NCDOT made in quite a while.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Speedway99 on March 05, 2013, 07:01:16 PM
I thought it was US 29 to Danville.  Seems weird to have a spur concurrent with a loop

Yes, I-785 will follow I-840 northwest to US 29 then follow US 29 all the way to Danville. I do agree with you it seems weird.

I would have choosen I-785 to follow US 29/70 from I-73/I-85 and follow I-40 then up north on US 29. Oh well.

My thoughts exactly, especially now that I-40 is back on its old route, that was the first good decision (or reversed decision) that NCDOT made in quite a while.
If only I-85 could use its old route in Greensboro again. Then sign 840 on the whole loop, sharing the segment with 73 on the SW side. Even if 85 is kept on the loop, I still want 840 signed around the whole loop, I like circumferential Interstate numbers.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 05, 2013, 07:50:04 PM
I thought it was US 29 to Danville.  Seems weird to have a spur concurrent with a loop

Yes, I-785 will follow I-840 northwest to US 29 then follow US 29 all the way to Danville. I do agree with you it seems weird.

I would have choosen I-785 to follow US 29/70 from I-73/I-85 and follow I-40 then up north on US 29. Oh well.

My thoughts exactly, especially now that I-40 is back on its old route, that was the first good decision (or reversed decision) that NCDOT made in quite a while.
If only I-85 could use its old route in Greensboro again. Then sign 840 on the whole loop, sharing the segment with 73 on the SW side. Even if 85 is kept on the loop, I still want 840 signed around the whole loop, I like circumferential Interstate numbers.


I also agree with this.

This also brings up a point about the recent news out of Winston where I-74 will be signed (To the I-40 intersection on the SE side of town) by this summer. The on-going US 52 improvement project downtown, I think, brings US 52 up to interstate standards (maybe with some sub-standards spots between the south end of the project and I-40) and, in my humble opinion, you could co-sign I-40 with I-74 to US 52 and sign it to the north end of the project.

The Northern (East) Belt of Winston-Salem, scheduled to start construction in 2014, could then be I-274 for both the East *and* West Belt, which supports Speedway99's point about circumferential interstate loops being better.

you wouldn't have to use a I-x40 either, since everywhere but Winston got one of those.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rmshiflett on March 05, 2013, 10:10:40 PM
Wow. It seems as if NC is constantly upgrading its US Highways into freeways, and its freeways into interstates. I guess NC has the money to do that kind of stuff. Too bad Alabama is out of money and takes a century and a half to get anything done to the roadways..  :-/
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 06, 2013, 12:55:02 AM
I would rather to have I-74 multiplex with I-40 and use US 52 instead of using the beltway. I don't think Winston Salem needs a beltway (money saved from the beltway can easily go to US 52 improvements). The city already has a business loop that is about to be upgraded anyways. I don't get the story about Winston Northern Beltway and why do they need it.. especially with I-840 (Greensboro Loop) a few miles to the east?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 06, 2013, 01:25:59 AM
I would rather to have I-74 multiplex with I-40 and use US 52 instead of using the beltway. I don't think Winston Salem needs a beltway (money saved from the beltway can easily go to US 52 improvements).


Not only is US 52 close to completion, and I-74 will (technically already does) exist in Winston, you could sign the rest of this almost immediately and it would give Downtown another interstate.

I'm ok with the loop, but its so far out, it's just pointless almost. But it would allow the whole thing to be I-274 and the east belt would hit an interstate (its parent- I-74) sooner.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 06, 2013, 08:07:00 AM
I would rather to have I-74 multiplex with I-40 and use US 52 instead of using the beltway. I don't think Winston Salem needs a beltway (money saved from the beltway can easily go to US 52 improvements).


Not only is US 52 close to completion, and I-74 will (technically already does) exist in Winston, you could sign the rest of this almost immediately and it would give Downtown another interstate.

I'm ok with the loop, but its so far out, it's just pointless almost. But it would allow the whole thing to be I-274 and the east belt would hit an interstate (its parent- I-74) sooner.

Though you could, I rather like the idea what they are trying to accomplish here.  Manly, keeping the freeways in the downtown Winston-Salem area more for local traffic while regional traffic goes around the city.  They attempted the same with Greensboro by moving I-40 onto the beltway... only to move it back because of money and confusion.  They are unlikely then to make the same mistake if they went ahead and signed the downtown area only to rip it later.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MBHockey13 on March 06, 2013, 11:59:17 AM
I would rather to have I-74 multiplex with I-40 and use US 52 instead of using the beltway. I don't think Winston Salem needs a beltway (money saved from the beltway can easily go to US 52 improvements). The city already has a business loop that is about to be upgraded anyways. I don't get the story about Winston Northern Beltway and why do they need it.. especially with I-840 (Greensboro Loop) a few miles to the east?

I disagree. I use I-40 West to BUS-40/US-421 North to US-52 North on occasion to head up to I-74 to I-77 and points north, and it would be nice to not have to go into downtown Winston to then go north. Based on what I see a LOT of traffic has to head downtown just to get to US-52 north of the city, and even after they shutdown and rebuilt BUS-40/US-421 downtown it's still going to be a squeeze. I'm not sure about the rest of the loop, but the part from BUS-40 West/US-421 North to US-52 north of the city makes a LOT of sense - and it's the perfect route for I-74 from US-311 to US-52.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on March 06, 2013, 01:30:21 PM
I would rather to have I-74 multiplex with I-40 and use US 52 instead of using the beltway. I don't think Winston Salem needs a beltway (money saved from the beltway can easily go to US 52 improvements). The city already has a business loop that is about to be upgraded anyways. I don't get the story about Winston Northern Beltway and why do they need it.. especially with I-840 (Greensboro Loop) a few miles to the east?

Because they are two separate cities. 

Even though he pulls for Buffalo (I'm Sorry), MBHockey13 is right.  The outer loop of Winston makes a lot of sense moving west to north/s to e or e/n or s/w traffic away from the downtown area.  Time and traffic savings makes a lot of sense since you have quite a few major freeways (US 52 from North and South, US 421 from the west, I-40/Business I-40 from the East & West and US 311 from the southeast.) meeting in nearly one concentrated areas.  The outer loop would facilitate those directional changes in a more efficient manner.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Alps on March 06, 2013, 09:26:23 PM
Wow. It seems as if NC is constantly upgrading its US Highways into freeways, and its freeways into interstates. I guess NC has the money to do that kind of stuff. Too bad Alabama is out of money and takes a century and a half to get anything done to the roadways..  :-/
My understanding is they're about to run into a multi-billion dollar crisis due to deferred maintenance and all these new highway miles to maintain. Of course, their population is growing by leaps and bounds right now, but they've frontloaded the infrastructure (as they should). More toll highways and higher taxes, on the way...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 07, 2013, 12:04:37 PM
Any updates on I-73/I-74 signing south of Asheboro? I drove by Greensboro area and see if they already begun updating the signs, but nothing yet.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: cpzilliacus on March 07, 2013, 12:12:45 PM
Wow. It seems as if NC is constantly upgrading its US Highways into freeways, and its freeways into interstates. I guess NC has the money to do that kind of stuff. Too bad Alabama is out of money and takes a century and a half to get anything done to the roadways..  :-/
My understanding is they're about to run into a multi-billion dollar crisis due to deferred maintenance and all these new highway miles to maintain. Of course, their population is growing by leaps and bounds right now, but they've frontloaded the infrastructure (as they should). More toll highways and higher taxes, on the way...

Deferred maintenance? 

At least North Carolina does not have miles and miles of passenger rail systems (the only system I am  aware of is in Charlotte) to try and keep in a state of good repair out of their motor fuel tax revenues.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on March 07, 2013, 03:53:01 PM
Er...NC does own miles and miles of passenger rail...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Railroad
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 07, 2013, 05:31:06 PM
Any updates on I-73/I-74 signing south of Asheboro? I drove by Greensboro area and see if they already begun updating the signs, but nothing yet.


Signing project on-going from Greensboro to Ellerbe, slated for fall completion.

Apparently even Winston to High Point wil be signed by summer too, but nothing let yet.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on March 08, 2013, 06:11:48 AM
Er...NC does own miles and miles of passenger rail...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Railroad

From the article:

NCRR does not receive any state appopriations, and its properties are subject to North Carolina city and county property taxes, most but not all of which are paid by Norfolk Southern under the agreements.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on March 08, 2013, 08:29:53 AM
Wow. It seems as if NC is constantly upgrading its US Highways into freeways, and its freeways into interstates. I guess NC has the money to do that kind of stuff. Too bad Alabama is out of money and takes a century and a half to get anything done to the roadways..  :-/

It really doesn't.  They've been robbing Peter to pay Paul on a lot of projects.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on March 08, 2013, 04:41:25 PM
Er...NC does own miles and miles of passenger rail...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Railroad

From the article:

NCRR does not receive any state appopriations, and its properties are subject to North Carolina city and county property taxes, most but not all of which are paid by Norfolk Southern under the agreements.
Misleading if not actually incorrect: http://www.bytrain.org/track/

"The NCDOT provided the preliminary engineering and design plans and is paying for all of the rail improvements with state transportation funds. Norfolk Southern will provide the final plans and do the actual construction."
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 12, 2013, 02:29:33 AM
Wow. It seems as if NC is constantly upgrading its US Highways into freeways, and its freeways into interstates. I guess NC has the money to do that kind of stuff. Too bad Alabama is out of money and takes a century and a half to get anything done to the roadways..  :-/

It really doesn't.  They've been robbing Peter to pay Paul on a lot of projects.


And some of them have been built using GARVEE bonds (don't quote me but I think I-140, I-295 are two examples)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 12, 2013, 10:22:39 AM
Wow. It seems as if NC is constantly upgrading its US Highways into freeways, and its freeways into interstates. I guess NC has the money to do that kind of stuff. Too bad Alabama is out of money and takes a century and a half to get anything done to the roadways..  :-/

It really doesn't.  They've been robbing Peter to pay Paul on a lot of projects.


And some of them have been built using GARVEE bonds (don't quote me but I think I-140, I-295 are two examples)
Yeah.. The last leg of I-485 also use GARVEE bonds.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 12, 2013, 11:35:49 AM
Strider, just curious...

has Robert (Bob) Malme announced any word about the new server for the I-73/74 page?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 12, 2013, 03:46:43 PM
Strider, just curious...

has Robert (Bob) Malme announced any word about the new server for the I-73/74 page?
I hope to have a new one lined up by next week. If anyone has suggestions, recommendations, in the meanwhile, feel free to pass them along.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 12, 2013, 08:06:25 PM
Strider, just curious...

has Robert (Bob) Malme announced any word about the new server for the I-73/74 page?
I hope to have a new one lined up by next week. If anyone has suggestions, recommendations, in the meanwhile, feel free to pass them along.

Lol good to hear from ya Bob, I wish I could help, but that's about the one area of computers I lack the knowledge. Any word on the Randleman connector in the meanwhile? Still on track for mid (hopefully sooner) April?

I have a trip upcoming to Salisbury for my youngest nephew, hope to get shots of Future I-74 from I-95 (where i left off) to Rockingham and I-85 from yadkin river to US 52. And maybe the connector, but I'd rather do that at same time as I-73 signing from Ellerbe north, which looks more like Oct completion
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 12, 2013, 10:40:45 PM
Another nice update to US 220 north of Greensboro:

Although the project is behind in schedule due to weather (lots of rain lately), but I have seen the progress just south of US 158 interchange. They are now trying to build twin bridges over a small Haw River (the future southbound I-73 lanes and the off ramp to US 220 South). But, the bridge piers and the sides are already built and is ready for some steel gliders to connect on the future US 220 south ramp over I-73. A lot of heavy construction and grading is very noticeable there, and I didn't had time to take pictures because of weather and I had to head to work.

But, as of US 220 south of the future I-73 interchange, not much have changed except for moving stoplights at both NC 150 intersections and a bridge over the creek near Greensboro.

Not much progress are ongoing on US 220 north of US 158 interchange as well.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 12, 2013, 10:56:55 PM
Thank yah Strider. Really look forward to I-73/74 being signed non-stop from Ellerbe to each G/boro (73) and Winston (74) respectively.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 18, 2013, 12:19:19 PM
Looks like they are starting to get ready to replace the signs in the Greensboro area.  Yesterday, while driving home from work, I saw a sign for "I-73 SOUTH, US 220 SOUTH, ASHEBORO" and a couple of other signs on the truck, getting ready to be put up.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on March 18, 2013, 12:44:17 PM
Figures, I was just going through that area.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 18, 2013, 01:08:18 PM
Yeah... I will try to swing by to the same area and see if the truck with the signs are still at the same place and then try to take pictures of them as long as they don't move it already.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 18, 2013, 01:17:02 PM
Looks like they are starting to get ready to replace the signs in the Greensboro area.  Yesterday, while driving home from work, I saw a sign for "I-73 SOUTH, US 220 SOUTH, ASHEBORO" and a couple of other signs on the truck, getting ready to be put up.


Haha great update, Bob said yesterday that the small stretch from Vision Drive (Exit 77 I think?) to I-74 exit to Winston (Exit 80) is almost done, bout darn time.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 18, 2013, 03:50:30 PM
Looks like they are starting to get ready to replace the signs in the Greensboro area.  Yesterday, while driving home from work, I saw a sign for "I-73 SOUTH, US 220 SOUTH, ASHEBORO" and a couple of other signs on the truck, getting ready to be put up.


Haha great update, Bob said yesterday that the small stretch from Vision Drive (Exit 77 I think?) to I-74 exit to Winston (Exit 80) is almost done, bout darn time.
I will update my site with this and hopefully other signage news. The signage is said to be all up along the yet to be opened section of the I-74 freeway.

Speaking of my webpages, they have moved to be part of the Gribblenation family of sites. The address for the I-73/I-74 pages is now: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/ (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/)
My related future NC Interstates site is now at http://www.gribblenation.net/ncfutints/ (http://www.gribblenation.net/ncfutints/)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on March 18, 2013, 06:19:32 PM
Wow, that's pretty neat.  I may be making a lighthouse trip to Florida in 2014 or 2015.  Now I know my route.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 18, 2013, 11:25:45 PM
Here is the photo that I took before I went to work. This is the only sign that was put up since others haven't been changed due to weather, but it does FEEL GREAT to see I-73 finally signed right next to US 220. This came from when you drive South on I-73/US 421 in Greensboro.

(http://s22.postimage.org/yew8egqb5/20130318_155237.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 19, 2013, 12:23:59 PM
Here is the photo that I took before I went to work. This is the only sign that was put up since others haven't been changed due to weather, but it does FEEL GREAT to see I-73 finally signed right next to US 220. This came from when you drive South on I-73/US 421 in Greensboro.

(http://s22.postimage.org/yew8egqb5/20130318_155237.jpg)
Great photo. Given the existing exit tab was not removed, this has I-73 exiting itself. Supposedly they are to make staying on the loop for I-85 North (US 421 South) 'Exit 95' and shift the tab to the I-85 signs, perhaps they are waiting her until they place one to the left of the current I-73/US 220 BGS.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 19, 2013, 01:14:35 PM
I was told by a rep at NCDOT that this exit tab is staying because the plan is for I-73 to exit by itself. It does not make any sense to have 3 lanes exit on the left and only one lane exit for I-73 South.. I'd say the same thing for the I-73 North that exits itself at the cloverleaf section. I think that the interchange between I-85/US 220/I-73 South needs to have flyovers added to it.

I'd bet that there will be more sign changes today since the weather is nice.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 19, 2013, 09:02:49 PM
There are more trucks carrying signs near the same location I stopped by the other day. YAY! Sign changes are under progress.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on March 20, 2013, 12:50:38 AM
Either this or next weekend when I go to Greensboro, I might just have to take a detour.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 25, 2013, 01:39:45 AM
Other sign changes along the road in Greensboro area.. There are more, but it rained that day. They changed most signs on southbound I-73. The exit tab have changed on the overhead, but not on the exit section. There is not a I-73 South shield when you drive south on I-85 though, but it's a good start.

(http://s17.postimg.org/5t1c4j23z/20130324_154647.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 25, 2013, 10:15:50 AM
Great job Strider, I hope that within a couple weeks we can finally talk about the Randleman Connector (I-74) opening. Feels like that project has lasted forever.

And maybe this is just hopeful optimizim, but when I think about the signing project, knowing its just changing out and addin signs along the highway (that's already open) and each exit, you think it will be completed sooner than October?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 25, 2013, 02:08:33 PM
That's possible they can complete the signing change sooner than October as evidenced from the photo, but who knows.

the I-74 Randleman Connector should have been completed a while ago. Since weather kept changing here in NC, I'm kinda concerned they might not be able to open it sooner.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 29, 2013, 10:29:24 AM
Big surprise! :-/


http://myfox8.com/2013/03/29/i-73-connector-in-randolph-county-expected-to-be-finished-by-memorial-day/
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 29, 2013, 11:11:20 AM
yeah.. i am not surprised. weather is the bigger factor this year so far. That's also the other reason why US 220 widening north of Greensboro is being behind in schedule as well. But, they are starting to build a bridge and cleared the woods faster than I ever seen...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on March 29, 2013, 11:16:53 AM
Strider, any other sign changes along I-73 south towards Randolph Co?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 29, 2013, 01:55:31 PM
I haven't checked yet. Last time I was down there, there are no sign changes down US 220 to Randolph County, but I might check it out this weekend if I have time.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 08, 2013, 10:41:47 AM
I've added photos Strider and jcarte29 have sent me regarding new signage along I-73. They have added them to my Segment 5 through Segment 8 pages. I have also added new information about the delay (again) in opening the I-74 freeway to I-74 Segment 7b and US 74/76 and I-74 video links from jcarte29 to my I-74 Segment 17 and 18 pages.

Thanks to all for their contributions. The pages can all be reached at http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 08, 2013, 11:40:20 AM
The delay on the I-74 project bugs me. On the same day I took photos of I-73 sign changes, I drove by US 311 to view the interchange with I-74. It's definitely not ready. I only spotted added exit number on I-74 (84), and a couple of interstate signs, etc. but the road itself is NOT even worked on.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on April 08, 2013, 01:10:20 PM
The delay on the I-74 project bugs me. On the same day I took photos of I-73 sign changes, I drove by US 311 to view the interchange with I-74. It's definitely not ready. I only spotted added exit number on I-74 (84), and a couple of interstate signs, etc. but the road itself is NOT even worked on.

At this rate the sign changes from G'Boro to Ellerbe will be done before I-74 Connector pavement lol...I don't live up there anymore but I would take a day trip and find an excuse to visit just to drive it lol.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 08, 2013, 01:40:00 PM
Haha, I would too. But it's sad how they put up signs on I-74 connector, but not working on the road. The road looked half finished (one lane fully paved and the other lane isn't). They better get it done while there's a nice weather.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on April 08, 2013, 03:13:00 PM
Haha, I would too. But it's sad how they put up signs on I-74 connector, but not working on the road. The road looked half finished (one lane fully paved and the other lane isn't). They better get it done while there's a nice weather.

They have the whole Spring, Summer and Fall of nice weather ahead.  I am sure it'll be fine. 

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 29, 2013, 11:44:59 PM
Yeah I agree. another update: not much has changed so far.. except they did put new exit tabs going northbound on I-73/US 220 to I-85. However, everything else haven't changed or added so far....
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: amroad17 on April 30, 2013, 04:26:00 AM
Other sign changes along the road in Greensboro area.. There are more, but it rained that day. They changed most signs on southbound I-73. The exit tab have changed on the overhead, but not on the exit section. There is not a I-73 South shield when you drive south on I-85 though, but it's a good start.

(http://s17.postimg.org/5t1c4j23z/20130324_154647.jpg)
I like the left panel with Durham and Raleigh on one line.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 30, 2013, 01:42:47 PM
Yeah I like that too.. it's different.
Title: Interstate 73 in S.C. Update
Post by: Grzrd on May 21, 2013, 10:17:45 PM
Any word on I-73 in SC?
(above quote from South Carolina (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4088.msg217389#msg217389) thread)

This April 26 article (http://www.scnow.com/news/article_7ffaf452-aeba-11e2-9a07-0019bb30f31a.html) reports that SCDOT is working on wetland mitigation and approximately 65% of ROW has been purchased:

Quote
On Friday, members of the North Eastern Strategic Alliance (NESA) executive committee discussed their ongoing progress in bringing economic development to the nine county region ....
The board also received an update on Interstate 73 from state Department of Transportation district commissioner Mike Wooten.
“The permitting is underway they’re working on wetland mitigation now and right of way purchase is underway with about 65 percent of the right of way has been purchased for I-73,” Wooten said. “$58 million left in budget for those things that we need to do moving forward for I-73.”
Permitting will continue for the next 12 to 18 months and the appeals process will take about two years Wooten said.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 22, 2013, 10:13:35 PM
Looks like we have at least now a definitive week when the I-74 freeway to US 220 is supposed to open:
http://myfox8.com/2013/05/22/i-73us-311-connector-will-open-week-after-memorial-day/ (http://myfox8.com/2013/05/22/i-73us-311-connector-will-open-week-after-memorial-day/)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 24, 2013, 12:48:07 AM
About time. I can't wait to drive that section when it opens....
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on May 24, 2013, 01:55:15 AM
Any word on what will happen to US 311? Overlap to I-73? Remain on the current alignment? Truncation?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on May 24, 2013, 09:35:37 AM
Any word on what will happen to US 311? Overlap to I-73? Remain on the current alignment? Truncation?
According to the new signage, US 311 will stay on I 74 from Cedar Square Road to the next interchange ( current US 311 ). It will remain on the current route from I 74 to US 220. This gives a short segment where US 311 is not multiplexed with any highway.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 24, 2013, 01:41:24 PM
Yeah, what the post said above. US 311 will still end at I-73/US 220 (which i think it should be extended east to end at Business 220 instead.. or maybe extend it south to end at US 64 in Asheboro.

But yes! can't wait til I-74 is finally opened to I-73.

Now, the state need to turn their focus on the Western Rockingham bypass to extend I-73 farther south. (and I-74)


Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 1995hoo on May 24, 2013, 03:42:25 PM
I haven't been down the road south of Greensboro in years and I have no idea whether Street View imagery is accurate. How thorough is the Interstate signing through there? If you were giving directions to someone, would you refer to the Interstate numbering, the US Route numbering, or all of it together (e.g., "I-73/I-74/US-220 and the sign may list any or all of these")?

The reason I ask is that my brother-in-law and his wife are heading to the Pinehurst area next month and are then planning to drive up to the DC area on a Sunday afternoon to visit us. Using I-95 from Richmond to DC on a Sunday afternoon at the end of June is a bad idea, so I'm going to suggest he go a little west from Pinehurst and then take what I still think of as US-220 north to Greensboro, then US-29 the whole way from there up to Northern Virginia. It's about 40 miles further than the I-85/I-95 route but is likely to be faster, and it's certainly more scenic. In the interest of giving good directions I'm wondering if anyone could clarify what he might expect to see on the signs.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on May 24, 2013, 05:02:10 PM
I haven't been down the road south of Greensboro in years and I have no idea whether Street View imagery is accurate. How thorough is the Interstate signing through there? If you were giving directions to someone, would you refer to the Interstate numbering, the US Route numbering, or all of it together (e.g., "I-73/I-74/US-220 and the sign may list any or all of these")?

The reason I ask is that my brother-in-law and his wife are heading to the Pinehurst area next month and are then planning to drive up to the DC area on a Sunday afternoon to visit us. Using I-95 from Richmond to DC on a Sunday afternoon at the end of June is a bad idea, so I'm going to suggest he go a little west from Pinehurst and then take what I still think of as US-220 north to Greensboro, then US-29 the whole way from there up to Northern Virginia. It's about 40 miles further than the I-85/I-95 route but is likely to be faster, and it's certainly more scenic. In the interest of giving good directions I'm wondering if anyone could clarify what he might expect to see on the signs.

Thanks in advance.
The I-73/74 signing project from Greensboro to Ellerbe is going on right now. It officially started in February, but relatively few signs have been changed as of now. It is scheduled to be completed in October.

Currently, the entire freeway is signed US 220, with I 73 and 74 signs (both Future and regular) showing up sporadically north and south of the section around Asheboro (which is solidly signed for all three routes). From Pinehurst, if you take NC 211 west to I 73/74/ US 220, you can just follow the US 220 signs. One exit south of NC 211, US 220 is being routed back onto the old road (US 220 Alternate) and the freeway is going to be just I 73/74. As far as I know, this resigning has not happened yet, but should not be a problem if you are coming from Pinehurst.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 25, 2013, 11:36:41 AM
Yeah, they did in fact changed a few signs along the route, but just say US 220 for now.. it should lessen the confusion until at least when the entire signing project is done.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 1995hoo on May 25, 2013, 07:49:25 PM
Thanks, appreciate that. I may refer to it as 220 and then mention that he may also see some version of I-73/74 shields occasionally as part of an ongoing upgrade project.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 26, 2013, 01:57:23 AM
Yeah.. that's what you should mention to him. Just tell him that he will see I-73/I-74 signs (future, interstate) on every US 220 signage (that's how it is signed out there).. but yeah just mention it as US 220 for now.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on May 26, 2013, 09:25:42 AM
I-73/74 doesn't have the "name-brand recognition" as say an I-40/85 because its still so new. But in time it will be.

US 220 has been that route forever, some will continue to call it that regardless.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on May 26, 2013, 11:04:11 AM
I-99 doesn't have the "name-brand recognition" as say an I-78 because its still so new. But in time it will be.

US 220 has been that route forever, some will continue to call it that regardless.

:bigass:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on May 26, 2013, 11:04:59 AM
I-73/74 doesn't have the "name-brand recognition" as say an I-40/85 because its still so new. But in time it will be.

US 220 has been that route forever, some will continue to call it that regardless.
The US 220 freeway from Greensboro to Candor will continue to be signed US 220 for the foreseeable future. It will also have multiplexes with I 73 alone and I 73/74.

Currently, the only part of the US 220 freeway that is being moved to the old routing is the newest segment of the freeway. This segment was signed as I 73/74 Future/US 220 when it was opened. The signage on old US 220 was never changed, so both routes are signed (and referred to) US 220. The exits for the old route from the freeway have been signed US 220 Business (for the Ellerbe exit) and US 220 Alternate (for the Candor exit). I have not seen evidence that NC even applied to AASHTO to move US 220 to the new freeway or defining the Alternate or Business routes. By removing US 220 signage from the new freeway, the situation will be clearer and should conform to AASHTO.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 29, 2013, 10:40:46 PM
NCDOT has moved up the construction date for the 'I-73 Connector,' the section that will take the interstate from Bryan Blvd near the PTI Airport exit to NC 68. The current plan is for construction to start next spring and work to be completed by 2015. Previously the route was to be built starting in 2016. For more details go to my I-73 Segment 4 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)
Meanwhile, still no word on the I-74 freeway. My contact says that only half the lanes had been painted as of last week. The end date on the traffic alert at NCDOT's TIMS site has now been pushed back to June 7.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MBHockey13 on May 30, 2013, 10:57:48 AM
NCDOT has moved up the construction date for the 'I-73 Connector,' the section that will take the interstate from Bryan Blvd near the PTI Airport exit to NC 68. The current plan is for construction to start next spring and work to be completed by 2015. Previously the route was to be built starting in 2016. For more details go to my I-73 Segment 4 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)
Meanwhile, still no word on the I-74 freeway. My contact says that only half the lanes had been painted as of last week. The end date on the traffic alert at NCDOT's TIMS site has now been pushed back to June 7.

I am really excited by this find of yours. Between this and the beginning of the Bryan Boulevard to US-220 / Battleground part of the Greensboro Loop / I-840 construction 2014 should be a good year for road building around here.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on May 30, 2013, 11:08:18 AM
NCDOT has moved up the construction date for the 'I-73 Connector,' the section that will take the interstate from Bryan Blvd near the PTI Airport exit to NC 68. The current plan is for construction to start next spring and work to be completed by 2015. Previously the route was to be built starting in 2016. For more details go to my I-73 Segment 4 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)
Meanwhile, still no word on the I-74 freeway. My contact says that only half the lanes had been painted as of last week. The end date on the traffic alert at NCDOT's TIMS site has now been pushed back to June 7.

I am really excited by this find of yours. Between this and the beginning of the Bryan Boulevard to US-220 / Battleground part of the Greensboro Loop / I-840 construction 2014 should be a good year for road building around here.


Triad Business Journal (http://www.bizjournals.com/triad) was the first to "break the story." Great resource too, along with the Winston-Salem Journal (my hometown newspaper), they both do well with I-73/74 news.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 30, 2013, 11:53:00 AM
That's an excellent news!

Seems like the construction for I-73 is really speeding up in NC. Hopefully Virginia and South Carolina can learn from North Carolina :)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on May 30, 2013, 12:37:28 PM
That's an excellent news!

Seems like the construction for I-73 is really speeding up in NC. Hopefully Virginia and South Carolina can learn from North Carolina :)

Couldn't agree more Strider, a lot of the "orange" on Bob's I-73 progress page will be gray and fully signed by 2016, and somewhat by October 2013!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 1995hoo on May 30, 2013, 09:25:03 PM
A follow-up to my earlier query further up this page regarding giving directions.

I'm finding all sorts of conflicting information on exit numbers in Greensboro. Could someone perhaps verify for me what the exit numbers are for:

(a) Northbound US-220 onto northbound Green I-85 (Google Maps shows it as Exit 79A);

(b) Northbound Green I-85 onto northbound US-29 towards Reidsville (this one is where the real inconsistency surfaces, probably due to the I-40/Green I-40 screwup a few years ago).

Obviously what I want to do is to give my brother-in-law directions up US-220, through Death Valley on Green I-85, then up US-29 all the way to I-66. While the exit numbers may not be vital, I always try to include them because in a pinch I think that's easier to process than information about a BGS with three or more shields (as is all too common around there).

Thanks again in advance.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on May 30, 2013, 10:00:39 PM
US-220 to Green I-85: Exit 79A

I-40/Green I-85 to US 29/70/220: Exit 223 ( I 40 exit numbering).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on May 30, 2013, 10:51:23 PM
Since the Bus I-85 exit is north of where I-73 splits off, I don't think that number will change any time soon, either.  It's only to Bypass I-85/73 North that the higher 9x numbers come into play.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MBHockey13 on May 31, 2013, 02:52:55 AM
*** I-74 / US-311 Update WITH PICTURES ***

So, for my afternoon run, I decided to run the soon-to-be-open I-74 / US-311 south of Cedar Square one more time. I had done it a couple of times in the past, before any signs were mounted or any paint was put down, and when some of it was still not paved. I'm not the only one who has used it in this manner.

So, this is what I can tell you:

* The ALL TRAFFIC MUST EXIT signs are gone at Cedar Square. They have a electronic message board, and some cones - that's it.

* All the striping is done.

* The signs are up

* I had to do 2.5 miles to get to the EXIT 84 US-311 SOUTH Randleman sign.

* The mile markers are up

* I did see three work trucks driving along. This was around 6:30 PM. As far as I can tell, from as far as I walked, they were finishing up the fencing separating the highway.

Pictures can be found here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/39949866@N07/sets/72157633825828557/

Feel free to use them as you wish.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 31, 2013, 11:08:09 AM
*** I-74 / US-311 Update WITH PICTURES ***

So, for my afternoon run, I decided to run the soon-to-be-open I-74 / US-311 south of Cedar Square one more time. I had done it a couple of times in the past, before any signs were mounted or any paint was put down, and when some of it was still not paved. I'm not the only one who has used it in this manner.

So, this is what I can tell you:

* The ALL TRAFFIC MUST EXIT signs are gone at Cedar Square. They have a electronic message board, and some cones - that's it.

* All the striping is done.

* The signs are up

* I had to do 2.5 miles to get to the EXIT 84 US-311 SOUTH Randleman sign.

* The mile markers are up

* I did see three work trucks driving along. This was around 6:30 PM. As far as I can tell, from as far as I walked, they were finishing up the fencing separating the highway.

Pictures can be found here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/39949866@N07/sets/72157633825828557/

Feel free to use them as you wish.
Thanks for the photos, and the run mileage entailed to get some of them. I will plan to putting a few of them, with attribution, on my web pages. Still no announcement from NCDOT regarding an opening, but it looks imminent to me.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 1995hoo on May 31, 2013, 11:46:15 AM
US-220 to Green I-85: Exit 79A

I-40/Green I-85 to US 29/70/220: Exit 223 ( I 40 exit numbering).

Thanks again, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on May 31, 2013, 12:20:21 PM
Nice pictures, but selfishly I wish you had made it to the interchange with I-73/US 220 lol unless I wasn't lookin close enough (I am on an iPhone safari browser so that could be causing difficulties...)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MBHockey13 on May 31, 2013, 03:12:51 PM
Nah - I was DONE at 2.5 - especially because the sun was beating down on me. Plus, I knew I had to make it all the way back!

I am actually considering going out this afternoon and running from the other end (well, sort of close to it) but will be going earlier so I'm not sure if I'll run into any workers. The ones I did see didn't seem to mind and I did see some bikers if you noticed that in the pics. There aren't any NO TRESPASSING signs so I'm not sure why it would be a problem anyway.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 01, 2013, 07:11:52 AM
I'm curious, but does anybody know if I-73 has been officially signed North of I-40 along Future I-840 yet?  Or is it still posted as a "Future" like I-840?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on June 01, 2013, 08:09:17 AM
Note that there are two different types of future: normal Interstate shields with FUTURE up top, and green reassurance signs indicating it's a future Interstate, but there are no signs on intersecting roads.

At least when the photos on http://people.duke.edu/~rmalme/i73seg4.html were taken, it was the latter:
(http://people.duke.edu/~rmalme/bryblvd90708g.JPG)
(http://people.duke.edu/~rmalme/i73exit103besr.jpg)
(http://people.duke.edu/~rmalme/endi73n2esr.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 01, 2013, 01:13:39 PM
Interesting Find for Future Eastern NC end of I-74...

http://m.wect.com/autojuice?targetUrl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.wect.com%2fstory%2f22469511%2fis-hwy-7476-becoming-an-interstate
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 02, 2013, 10:21:42 AM
Maybe NC is considering having I-74 just end in Wilmington instead of at Myrtle Beach. (I-73 will go there eventually, anyways).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on June 02, 2013, 11:06:39 AM
Interesting Find for Future Eastern NC end of I-74...

http://m.wect.com/autojuice?targetUrl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.wect.com%2fstory%2f22469511%2fis-hwy-7476-becoming-an-interstate

From earlier this year

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Quote from: jcarte29 on January 22, 2013, 12:48:33 AM

    News on a couple projects (of note, 4 are mentioned total) to both widen and improve US 74 (Future I-74) in Eastern North Carolina...


    http://fayobserver.com/articles/2013/01/09/1229228?sac=fo.community/columbus


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The bridge replacement is on US 74 just east of Laurel Hill.  Which will have to be bypassed in some fashion  when US 74 is upgraded from Rockingham to Laurinburg.

The paving and widening of 74 from Whiteville to NC 214 east of Bolton is interesting as somewhere along that stretch I-74 could make a right turn to head towards US 17 and South Carolina.  I'm guessing the widening means they will add shoulders.  I doubt they will close any of the at-grade intersections on that stretch of 74.

I believe the other project is just a standard resurfacing project.

What the WECT report is about is the Whiteville to Bolton widening that was from this article.  Somewhere along here is where I-74 turns to South Carolina.

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Posted by: Strider
« on: Today at 10:21:42 AM »

Maybe NC is considering having I-74 just end in Wilmington instead of at Myrtle Beach. (I-73 will go there eventually, anyways).

  The state always has had plans to upgrade US 74/76 to Wilmington to a freeway and now to interstate grade.  WHat the state would prefer is having I-20 extend from Florence to Wilmington.  In the end, I am sure NC doesn't care if it's an I-x74 or I-20, or even I-74.  But the plans to upgrade US 74/76 to a full freeway have existed long before .

Edit Add:
This is really no different with what they are doing with the section between NC 41 and US 76.  Small upgrades that will slowly get the highway to interstate grade.  It's a slow process, but it's very interesting to see how an existing four lane road slowly becomes an interstate.  Something which was done to a lot of highway in the past; however, before many of us were born.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 02, 2013, 12:00:04 PM
It's gonna be years (decades, really) before I-74 turns south into Brunswick County, and its a bad idea anyways for an E-W interstate to turn SSW.

But this will make the present US 74/76 route nicer to travel if I am going to Charlotte (better alternative to 40/85 from where I live)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on June 02, 2013, 12:45:27 PM
That whole routing is a bad idea. Any traffic heading that way will use I-73.

As for I-20 to Wilmington, it's probably a waste to upgrade US 76 between Florence and I-74.

The obvious conclusion is I-74 to Wilmington.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on June 02, 2013, 03:20:56 PM
That whole routing is a bad idea. Any traffic heading that way will use I-73.

As for I-20 to Wilmington, it's probably a waste to upgrade US 76 between Florence and I-74.

The obvious conclusion is I-74 to Wilmington.

It's not necessarily a bad idea, it just all depends where you are going.  It is likely that I-74 will also flip at the state line into South Carolina going West towards Myrtle Beach along the Carolina Bays Parkway.  Also, I-74 is still planned to go into South Carolina as per the compact agreement with North Carolina; NCDOT will build into South Carolina on I-74 and SCDOT will build into North Carolina on I-73.

I-20 was a pipe dream a former NC Governor had, NCDOT is not seriously considering that now.  As for a I-x74, never know; but since a majority of  US 74 in North Carolina is already freeway grade and not an Interstate, I could easily see the state leaving it as is.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on June 02, 2013, 03:53:10 PM
That whole routing is a bad idea. Any traffic heading that way will use I-73.

It's not necessarily a bad idea, it just all depends where you are going.
It appears that the only places to which I-74 will be shorter are in NC - and even then the difference is negligible. From Rockingham to Shallotte, the Goog gives me 134 miles via US 74-NC 211-US 17 (AKA I-74) and 144 miles via SC 38-US 501-SC 319-SC 22-SC 31 (the closest parallel to I-73). By the time you get to the state line it's 130 vs. 149.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MBHockey13 on June 02, 2013, 08:43:03 PM
I went back Friday and ran and took more pics - this time at the US-311 Randleman exit off of I-74.

I also grabbed some pics of the approach signs on both I-73/US-220 and on the current and part future US-311.

I only got so far in each direction because each way I ran into a different stray dog and didn't feel like finding out if it was friendly or not.

The pics include the first I-74/US-311 signs West/Northbound and the first single I-74 sign eastbound - probably the first one since it runs into US-52.

Pics here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/39949866@N07/sets/72157633888875211 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39949866@N07/sets/72157633888875211)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on June 02, 2013, 09:34:14 PM
Strange. I-73 is a left exit off I-74.
God damn it. That's on I-74 east, not I-74 west.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 03, 2013, 02:37:44 AM
But yeah from I-74 East to I-73 North is a left exit. (the exit ends up a loop ramp though.)

I can't wait til I can drive on it when it opens. it looks ready to be opened.

but I agree with NE2 about the majority of traffic will use I-73 when going to Myrtle Beach, which means I-74 into Myrtle Beach seems pointless. I'd end it in Wilmington or something like that. the spur route can go from there to Myrtle Beach to connect with I-73.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Chris on June 03, 2013, 01:22:38 PM
Great photos! When will the new link open to traffic? It looks finished and earlier media reports indicated it would open the week after memorial day, which was last week.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 03, 2013, 02:01:50 PM
My Dad, who still lives in Winston-Salem (where I grew up) will be using the new I-74 route either returning from Oak Island, NC this weekend or both to/from (of course depending if it opens to the latest estimate) I asked him to let me know, he's not a road geek but still excited for its utility.

So then the next question will be...when will the official I-74 signs from I-40 to the Forsyth/Guilford Co line go up??!

It is (almost) Summer 2013, when it was thought by the WSJ to happen.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 04, 2013, 12:41:39 AM
I think the I-74 signs will go up from High Point to I-40 by the time the connection to I-73 is completed? who knows when it comes to NCDOT lol.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 04, 2013, 01:09:42 AM
Note that there are two different types of future: normal Interstate shields with FUTURE up top, and green reassurance signs indicating it's a future Interstate, but there are no signs on intersecting roads.

Only reason I was asking was because I wanted to clear this "OSM Bug (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/note/4993)". ;)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on June 04, 2013, 01:22:42 AM
I can't wait for this segment to open.  Wonder when the I-74 signs will go up on I-40 at the current US 311 Interchange (Exit 196).  Haven't seen any indication that it is going to happen anytime soon, but I could be wrong.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 04, 2013, 09:58:13 AM
Note that there are two different types of future: normal Interstate shields with FUTURE up top, and green reassurance signs indicating it's a future Interstate, but there are no signs on intersecting roads.

Only reason I was asking was because I wanted to clear this "OSM Bug (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/note/4993)". ;)






Technically NCDOT got this section approved as "I-73/Future I-840", however they don't plan on signing it until the NC 68/US 220 connector and the I-73 connector between the airport and NC 68 interchanges are done. The exit numbers will be changed reflecting I-73 mileage on this section soon though.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 04, 2013, 10:19:37 AM
Note that there are two different types of future: normal Interstate shields with FUTURE up top, and green reassurance signs indicating it's a future Interstate, but there are no signs on intersecting roads.

Only reason I was asking was because I wanted to clear this "OSM Bug (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/note/4993)". ;)






Technically NCDOT got this section approved as "I-73/Future I-840", however they don't plan on signing it until the NC 68/US 220 connector and the I-73 connector between the airport and NC 68 interchanges are done. The exit numbers will be changed reflecting I-73 mileage on this section soon though.


I thought it was part of the current signing project to get official I-73 signs in addition to the exit numbers, but maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on June 04, 2013, 10:43:48 AM
Note that there are two different types of future: normal Interstate shields with FUTURE up top, and green reassurance signs indicating it's a future Interstate, but there are no signs on intersecting roads.

Only reason I was asking was because I wanted to clear this "OSM Bug (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/note/4993)". ;)






Technically NCDOT got this section approved as "I-73/Future I-840", however they don't plan on signing it until the NC 68/US 220 connector and the I-73 connector between the airport and NC 68 interchanges are done. The exit numbers will be changed reflecting I-73 mileage on this section soon though.


I thought it was part of the current signing project to get official I-73 signs in addition to the exit numbers, but maybe I'm wrong.
The current big signing project is for I 73 signage and exit numbers from I 85 south to Ellerbe. The signage for I 73/Future 840 north of I 40 is not part of any announced signage project.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 04, 2013, 11:14:26 AM
Fox 8 WGHP reporting today that I-74 Randleman Connector will open by *this* Friday, June 7 with a ribbon-cutting ceremony, to pat themselves on the back for finally finishing it...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 04, 2013, 11:53:14 AM
Fox 8 WGHP reporting today that I-74 Randleman Connector will open by *this* Friday, June 7 with a ribbon-cutting ceremony, to pat themselves on the back for finally finishing it...





About time...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 04, 2013, 04:25:29 PM
Fox 8 WGHP reporting today that I-74 Randleman Connector will open by *this* Friday, June 7 with a ribbon-cutting ceremony, to pat themselves on the back for finally finishing it...

I'll be ready to mark it as open in OSM as soon as that happens then (unless somebody beats me to it, haha).

Note that there are two different types of future: normal Interstate shields with FUTURE up top, and green reassurance signs indicating it's a future Interstate, but there are no signs on intersecting roads.

Only reason I was asking was because I wanted to clear this "OSM Bug (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/note/4993)". ;)






Technically NCDOT got this section approved as "I-73/Future I-840", however they don't plan on signing it until the NC 68/US 220 connector and the I-73 connector between the airport and NC 68 interchanges are done. The exit numbers will be changed reflecting I-73 mileage on this section soon though.


I thought it was part of the current signing project to get official I-73 signs in addition to the exit numbers, but maybe I'm wrong.
The current big signing project is for I 73 signage and exit numbers from I 85 south to Ellerbe. The signage for I 73/Future 840 north of I 40 is not part of any announced signage project.

Alright, I'll then go into OSM and remove the "I-73" ref tags from the highway since it's not being posted yet.  Or, better yet, add the word "FUTURE" into the ref tags since it is posted that way.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 07, 2013, 08:57:27 AM
No need to take pictures, but I am in the Triad today and plan to drive the "delayed-thousand-times" I-74 freeway lol.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 07, 2013, 11:27:18 AM
let me know how it is.. I will be driving on it tomorrow. lol.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on June 07, 2013, 12:28:57 PM
I will be passing through Winston tonight and Sunday, but will have to hold off the I-74 trip for a later date.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 07, 2013, 04:06:48 PM
Just finished drivin the new segment. What a time saver! Winston-Salem to Asheboro- 45 min flat. I remember taking trips to the beach when I was younger and Asheboro was an hour+ because you had to go I-40 to US 220, meaning you went through "Death Vally." Anyways, very nice.

Now about this signing project in SE Winston that hasn't happend yet...lol
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 07, 2013, 11:01:50 PM
The official NCDOT press release regarding today's opening of final segment of the '311 Bypass' (the last part of which isn't US 311, but at least they're not calling it 128) with a couple of video links: https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=8351 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=8351)   I've also updated my I-74 Segment 7b page and exit lists.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 08, 2013, 10:18:10 AM
Drove on the I-74/US 311 Bypass this morning.. and wow. it is now way easier to get to Winston-Salem from Asheboro without traffic backups. Now, there are going to be I-73/I-74 officially designed south (southeast) of I-40 and so on. Now if they can focus on the Western Rockingham Bypass!

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 15, 2013, 12:15:24 PM
Update: all exit numbers are now changed on I-73 south of Greensboro. Signs still haven't been completely changed yet...(except Asheboro section).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on June 15, 2013, 12:59:59 PM
One question.  Why is the NC 134/Alt 220 the dividing line between old and new exit #'s?  You go from Exit 68 to exit 49.  Still, the change is coming.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on June 15, 2013, 01:36:55 PM
One question.  Why is the NC 134/Alt 220 the dividing line between old and new exit #'s?  You go from Exit 68 to exit 49.  Still, the change is coming.
The exits from NC 134/220A south were numbered with US 220 numbers when the freeway was built. When the I 73/74 shields were installed on the segment from NC 134 south to Candor, the exit numbers were left as US 220 numbers. Last year, when the segment through Asheboro was upgraded to interstate standards and the I 73/74 shields installed, those exits were upgraded to I 73 numbers. The current signing project is changing all of the US 220 exit numbers to I 73 numbers. Earlier this week, the new exit numbers were installed from Spero Road north to Greensboro. Vision Drive was not upgraded, so it is the only unnumbered exit from Asheboro north. There are new signposts installed along the highway for changing exit numbers all the way to Ellerbe.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 18, 2013, 01:45:57 AM
Yeah, either way.. I hope the state is moving faster with I-73. The new connector around the PTI Airport area is being moved up to Spring 2014.. so seems like NC really want to sped up construction.

Any news on the I-74 Winston Salem Beltway.. and/or the one southeast of I-95?

Sometimes I just wish SCDOT could just go ahead and build I-73 from Rockingham towards I-95 and temporarily end there first. It will open up the entire corridor from I-40 in Greensboro, NC (for now) towards I-95 near Florence, SC. (while the controversy continues for the I-95 to SC 22 route).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on June 18, 2013, 11:56:50 AM
Sometimes I just wish SCDOT could just go ahead and build I-73 from Rockingham towards I-95 and temporarily end there first. It will open up the entire corridor from I-40 in Greensboro, NC (for now) towards I-95 near Florence, SC. (while the controversy continues for the I-95 to SC 22 route).
The same could be said for VA, where they should build I-73 from the NC line to Roanoke, with some limited-access sections (mostly I-581) already in place.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 20, 2013, 11:26:52 AM
And since the states up north of Virginia is not pursuing for now.. I'd rather to see I-73 from Roanoke to Myrtle Beach. (or at least to I-95).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 07, 2013, 11:27:14 PM
Facebook Southeast Roads group member Chris Curley reports that I-74 milepost exit numbers have been added to the existing US 74 and US 74/76 exits in Columbus County around Whiteville. These have not been accompanied by any new I-74 signs, however (the existing I-74 Corridor signs are still in place). For those keeping track at home:

Interchange       I-74 Exit Number (West to East)
NC 410                             233
US 76 West                      235
Union Valley Rd                 238
US 701 Bypass                 239
US 74-76 Business            242

Speaking of exit numbers, anyone know of any progress renumbering those in I-73/74 south of Asheboro?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 08, 2013, 02:26:15 AM
I am not sure about the exit numbers south of Asheboro.. I have the feeling they are already been changed out.. (since the exit numbers in Greensboro area is already been changed out) but hopefully I will take a trip down and check it out one day.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on July 08, 2013, 01:09:20 PM
Facebook Southeast Roads group member Chris Curley reports that I-74 milepost exit numbers have been added to the existing US 74 and US 74/76 exits in Columbus County around Whiteville. These have not been accompanied by any new I-74 signs, however (the existing I-74 Corridor signs are still in place). For those keeping track at home:

Interchange       I-74 Exit Number (West to East)
NC 410                             233
US 76 West                      235
Union Valley Rd                 238
US 701 Bypass                 239
US 74-76 Business            242


East side of that highway near Delco would have to be vastly improved, if not replaced with highway on new location, but a nice touch nevertheless.


Going west for a moment, anyone have an update for a letting project for the designated I-74 Forsyth County portion??
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 08, 2013, 02:57:11 PM
I highly doubt I-74 will end at Wilmington. Evidence: Look at Google Maps of Leland, NC (where I-140 will meet US 74/76), the interchange is planned to be a folded diamond. Unless NCDOT plan on rebuild the interchange again in the future, i think that the plan is for I-74 to continue south to Myrtle Beach on a new alignment (past Whiteville).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on July 08, 2013, 03:19:20 PM
I highly doubt I-74 will end at Wilmington. Evidence: Look at Google Maps of Leland, NC (where I-140 will meet US 74/76), the interchange is planned to be a folded diamond. Unless NCDOT plan on rebuild the interchange again in the future, i think that the plan is for I-74 to continue south to Myrtle Beach on a new alignment (past Whiteville).

I thought this was a dumb move. That new interchange doesn't serve the area well, even if they never intended for I-74 to go further east.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on July 08, 2013, 08:27:10 PM
I highly doubt I-74 will end at Wilmington. Evidence: Look at Google Maps of Leland, NC (where I-140 will meet US 74/76), the interchange is planned to be a folded diamond. Unless NCDOT plan on rebuild the interchange again in the future, i think that the plan is for I-74 to continue south to Myrtle Beach on a new alignment (past Whiteville).

The plan was always to go south to Myrtle Beach, this has not changed despite the wishes of Wilmington.  Here is NCDOT I-74 Feasibility Study link: http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/I74feasibility/ (http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/I74feasibility/).  And if you believe they may one day change their mind, keep in mind they made a compact with South Carolina on the routing (which I doubt they would agree to break) and would have to submit new plans to AASHTO for approval.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on July 08, 2013, 09:00:38 PM
I highly doubt I-74 will end at Wilmington. Evidence: Look at Google Maps of Leland, NC (where I-140 will meet US 74/76), the interchange is planned to be a folded diamond. Unless NCDOT plan on rebuild the interchange again in the future, i think that the plan is for I-74 to continue south to Myrtle Beach on a new alignment (past Whiteville).

The plan was always to go south to Myrtle Beach, this has not changed despite the wishes of Wilmington.  Here is NCDOT I-74 Feasibility Study link: http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/I74feasibility/ (http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/I74feasibility/).  And if you believe they may one day change their mind, keep in mind they made a compact with South Carolina on the routing (which I doubt they would agree to break) and would have to submit new plans to AASHTO for approval.


Here's a hypothetical 20 years in the future if/when this is reality- If you are in Laurinburg, NC and you want to go to Myrtle Beach, would you take:

 I-74 --
(148 miles, assumin a parallel route with US 74/NC 211/US 17, which is what's proposed)

or would you take

US 501--
(105 miles)

Google Maps also estimates these routes are 45 minutes difference.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 08, 2013, 09:07:07 PM
of which, I will take US 501. (or I-73 in Rockingham)

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on July 08, 2013, 09:54:18 PM
Here's a hypothetical 20 years in the future if/when this is reality- If you are in Laurinburg, NC and you want to go to Myrtle Beach, would you take:

 I-74 --
(148 miles, assumin a parallel route with US 74/NC 211/US 17, which is what's proposed)

or would you take

US 501--
(105 miles)

Google Maps also estimates these routes are 45 minutes difference.

Keep in mind that logically you are correct from that location and the only real benefit is if your destination is Ocean Isle Beach and not Myrtle Beach.  But part of the routing decisions for this interstate was so South Carolina would have two and the Carolina Bays Parkway is already built for it, just needs a connection.  The routing is more political than anything else.

But who knows in 20 years, maybe most of US 17 in North Carolina becomes a freeway at that point and they make that an interstate too, never know.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on July 09, 2013, 10:56:42 AM
Here's a hypothetical 20 years in the future if/when this is reality- If you are in Laurinburg, NC and you want to go to Myrtle Beach, would you take:

 I-74 --
(148 miles, assumin a parallel route with US 74/NC 211/US 17, which is what's proposed)

or would you take

US 501--
(105 miles)

Google Maps also estimates these routes are 45 minutes difference.

Keep in mind that logically you are correct from that location and the only real benefit is if your destination is Ocean Isle Beach and not Myrtle Beach.  But part of the routing decisions for this interstate was so South Carolina would have two and the Carolina Bays Parkway is already built for it, just needs a connection.  The routing is more political than anything else.

But who knows in 20 years, maybe most of US 17 in North Carolina becomes a freeway at that point and they make that an interstate too, never know.  :hmmm:

All valid points- I live right off US 17 and would welcome it being interstate standard up and down NC coastline. (parts of it already are)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on July 09, 2013, 11:24:46 AM
I highly doubt I-74 will end at Wilmington. Evidence: Look at Google Maps of Leland, NC (where I-140 will meet US 74/76), the interchange is planned to be a folded diamond. Unless NCDOT plan on rebuild the interchange again in the future, i think that the plan is for I-74 to continue south to Myrtle Beach on a new alignment (past Whiteville).
They could always sign the Wilmington spur as an I-x74, as the I-20 proposal is dead.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 09, 2013, 09:42:50 PM
I could see the Wilmington spur as an I-x74.. however, It just might be 474 or 674 or 874 since I-274 is probably taken for the Winston-Salem beltway... (last time I heard, it is still not approved yet)

as of I-20, it should have been extended to Myrtle Beach at first place. (that's for another forum).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 12, 2013, 05:42:35 PM
My contact from the Asheboro area reports, from a drive down the corridor to the NC 211 exit on the way to Aberdeen, that 'most' of the new signs and numbers were up, but not all. He, unfortunately, didn't indicate which exits may still have old signs and/or numbers. Sounds like an opportunity for a local to check out what new signage is now up down there.  :D
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 12, 2013, 10:39:18 PM
Facebook Southeast Roads group member Chris Curley reports that I-74 milepost exit numbers have been added to the existing US 74 and US 74/76 exits in Columbus County around Whiteville. These have not been accompanied by any new I-74 signs, however (the existing I-74 Corridor signs are still in place). For those keeping track at home:

Interchange       I-74 Exit Number (West to East)
NC 410                             233
US 76 West                      235
Union Valley Rd                 238
US 701 Bypass                 239
US 74-76 Business            242

Speaking of exit numbers, anyone know of any progress renumbering those in I-73/74 south of Asheboro?

Thanks for posting those new exit numbers here for US-74.  I've updated OSM with them in Changeset #16932692 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16932692). ;)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 23, 2013, 10:51:58 PM
Some news and a link. The project to upgrade the signage along US 220 south of Greensboro to make it officially I-73 (or I-73/I-74) is now 65% complete, according to the NCDOT Construction Progress report. It is still due to be completed by October, however the contractor is behind with NCDOT's projected completion % as of July 22 being 75%.

I have added some new contributed photos taken of the I-74 freeway and along I-73 north and south of the I-73/I-74 interchange in Randleman. The I-74 photos are at http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg7b.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg7b.html) the other photos are on the I-73 Segment 6 and Segment 8 pages.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 24, 2013, 12:25:10 AM
More I-73 (and I-840) related news. NCDOT has released, 2 months prior to letting, plans for the next segment of the Greensboro Loop from Bryan Blvd to US 220 (Battleground Ave). From perusing the signing plans I've discovered:
1. The scope of the contract includes updating the Loop signage on I-40, on the existing Loop, and on Bryan Blvd up to and including the PTI Airport Exit (which will be 109). The other new exit numbers, as have been reported are 103 for I-40 (SB), 104 for W. Friendly Ave and 107 for Bryan Blvd. As with the other I-73 exits along the loop, I-73 exits itself at Exit 107B.
2. The I-840 exit numbers will be 3A/B (WB) for Bryan Blvd, 6 for US 220 and, in the plans as a future sign, Exit 8 for Lawndale Drive.
3. The I-840 East signage will be accompanied by 'To US 220' but the US 220 shield will be replaced by an I-785 shield when the Loop is completed.
4. The control cities for I-73 North from I-40 will be PTI-GSO Airport and Martinsville (with only Martinsville after the Airport exit). South its Winston-Salem Asheboro (and Raleigh if accompanied by a 'To I-40').
5. The pull through signage at the Bryan Blvd exit and on I-40 for the Loop will be the new up arrow per lane signs, not the diagrammatic signage used elsewhere on the Loop.
6. The mile markers listed in the plans run from 103.5 to 109 for I-73 and 3.5 to 6 for I-840.
7. The plans hint the next section of the Loop to Lawndale Dr will be signed as Future I-840 when it is opened.

Feel free to check out the plans themselves at: http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/dsplan/2013%20Highway%20Letting/09-17-13/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Guilford%20U-2524C%20C203197/Roadway%20Part%20II/ (http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/dsplan/2013%20Highway%20Letting/09-17-13/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Guilford%20U-2524C%20C203197/Roadway%20Part%20II/)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on July 24, 2013, 12:45:08 AM
Once again, Division 9 of North Carolina, which includes Rowan Co up to Forsyth Co, gets the shaft to All-better Greensboro...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: OracleUsr on July 24, 2013, 01:13:36 AM
Interesting how the split exit 103B for Westbound I-40 off I-73 north is not left-bannered the split-off ramp from I-40 East to I-73 South is.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 24, 2013, 01:21:05 AM
Hurry up and sign them, NCDOT! But, I bet the Martinsville sign wont be up till after the US 220/NC 68 connector is complete.. but last time I drove up US 220 North of Greensboro.. the construction pretty much sped up.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on July 24, 2013, 09:03:01 AM
Hurry up and sign them, NCDOT! But, I bet the Martinsville sign wont be up till after the US 220/NC 68 connector is complete.. but last time I drove up US 220 North of Greensboro.. the construction pretty much sped up.

I am sure you'll be fine if the signs aren't up for awhile.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 27, 2013, 10:32:21 AM
I know I will be, of course. I just love seeing new I-73 (and I-840) signs popping up.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 27, 2013, 02:19:14 PM
But.. I am curious.. are these future signs going to show up after I-840 is finished to US 220 or?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on July 27, 2013, 03:53:47 PM
But.. I am curious.. are these future signs going to show up after I-840 is finished to US 220 or?

Officially it would be first signed as Future I-840 still until AASHTO approves it being completed to Interstate standards.  But it's a good question since the other side has existed for years from I-40/I-85 to US 70 and haven't been signed officially as I-785/I-840 yet.  The assumption for now it will be Future I-840.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 27, 2013, 10:51:23 PM
But.. I am curious.. are these future signs going to show up after I-840 is finished to US 220 or?

Officially it would be first signed as Future I-840 still until AASHTO approves it being completed to Interstate standards.  But it's a good question since the other side has existed for years from I-40/I-85 to US 70 and haven't been signed officially as I-785/I-840 yet.  The assumption for now it will be Future I-840.
Here's a plan for the signs at the future I-73/I-840 split at Bryan Blvd:
(http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg5sign1.JPG)
It appears it will be I-840 when opened north to US 220, though possibly future I-840 for the segment ending at Lawndale Ave.

I've posted several more of the plan images on my I-73 Segment 4/5 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 28, 2013, 12:55:22 AM
I think that when the eastern Urban Loop is extended, it will be renamed I-785/I-840 as well. But, I have the feeling it'll be renamed I-785 first since it's just a spur. It also may be called Future I-840 still unless otherwise. Since it will be I-840 from I-40/I-73 to US 220, then i can see them rename the eastern part I-785/I-840.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 29, 2013, 11:13:48 AM
I think that when the eastern Urban Loop is extended, it will be renamed I-785/I-840 as well. But, I have the feeling it'll be renamed I-785 first since it's just a spur. It also may be called Future I-840 still unless otherwise. Since it will be I-840 from I-40/I-73 to US 220, then i can see them rename the eastern part I-785/I-840.
NCDOT still has the application for the I-785 designation posted on its route changes page, meaning the FHWA has not agreed to its placement along the Loop yet. Assuming they do, unless they come up with the funds to improve US 29 north of the Loop, it would seem redundant to post I-785 along I-840 just to end it at US 29, when that part of the Loop is opened. Just marking it as I-785 would mean removing the existing (Future) I-840 signage between I-40/85 and US 70 which has been up for more than a decade, which I don't think would be in the interest of NCDOT. Given that Greensboro already has an interstate and an interstate business route on one freeway, it wouldn't surprise me if NCDOT marked the route I-840/Future I-785, however.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 29, 2013, 10:31:33 PM
Or both I-785/I-840.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Grzrd on August 13, 2013, 09:18:06 PM
Project involving what will arguably be first I-73 dirt turned in South Carolina has been approved by SCDOT, should begin in a couple of months, and should be completed in 2013:
http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/09/15/2391106/i-73-project-gets-boost.html
Quote
The first construction work associated with controversial Interstate 73 won approval ... In the next three months, construction crews are expected to begin rebuilding a bridge that would later make it easier to construct the superhighway through eastern South Carolina, according to the S.C. Department of Transportation. The work would be done sometime in 2013 ... Commissioner Sarah Nuckles, who voted against the bridge work, said the commission’s vote is a bigger deal than many people might realize ... “This is the first dirt moved” for I-73, Nuckles said. “This is very significant.” ... The work will make it easier to build an interchange linking I-73 to I-95, officials said. The interchange would cross Interstate 95 ... “This bridge must be replaced to accommodate the future ramps associated with the I-95/I-73 interchange.” ... In addition to a new bridge across I-95, the project also will widen parts of two roads, U.S. 501 and S.C. 301, and make interchange improvements near the path of the proposed interstate ...

This TV video report (http://www.wbtw.com/story/23118944/pee-dee-economic-development-officials-get-update-on-i-73-progress) has some footage of what (apologies to Alanland) may or may not one day be viewed as the initial construction of I-73 in South Carolina:

Quote
Officials with the North Eastern Strategic Alliance, or NESA, received the update Friday from transportation consultant, Moot Truluck ....
Truluck also told NESA members that construction plans were complete for the 5.7 mile portion of the project that will go through portions of Dillon and Marion Counties, and will eventually intersect portions of I-95 and Hwy. 501.
The main focus of those working on completion of the project now, is funding.
Truluck told officials that various federal, state and grant funds have provided about $125 million for the project, with about $49.4 million of that, yet to be expended.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 20, 2013, 07:12:26 PM
Just drove by I-73/74 from NC 24/27 exit (exit 49) up to Greensboro.

I will say that the signing project is 3/4 complete. All milemarkers are now in place (from 49-95) but I am sure the milemarkers are also completed from exit 49 southward.

Seems like there are only a very few signages that need to be changed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 20, 2013, 10:32:15 PM
Just drove by I-73/74 from NC 24/27 exit (exit 49) up to Greensboro.

I will say that the signing project is 3/4 complete. All milemarkers are now in place (from 49-95) but I am sure the milemarkers are also completed from exit 49 southward.

Seems like there are only a very few signages that need to be changed.
Thanks for the update. What about I-73/I-74 signs. Have the future shields been replaced north of Asheboro?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 21, 2013, 09:07:10 AM
They still remain "Future". However, judging from the new sign panels right next to the current signage, it will change soon.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on August 21, 2013, 09:27:17 AM
They still remain "Future". However, judging from the new sign panels right next to the current signage, it will change soon.
That's good news.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 16, 2013, 10:04:36 PM
Heard from one of NC contacts that he had driven the length of the US 220 Ellerbe Bypass and that all the exit signs had been replaced with ones with the new numbers. The US 220 Future I-73/I-74 signs were still up, however. Hopefully they have started the process of removing them farther north by now. He will be driving from Asheboro to Greensboro later this week and will let me know.

I have updated my I-73 Exit List with the new information. http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73exit.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73exit.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 17, 2013, 09:46:09 PM
To add to yesterday's news, the NCDOT Construction Progress Report now lists the US 220 sign replacement project as 72.5% complete as of September 7. The remaining funds needed to put up the I-73 and I-74 signs?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on September 28, 2013, 12:18:57 AM
In Greensboro, I-73 South signs are finally put up on the overhead signage with US 220. When you are driving on I-85 South approaching US 220, there is a I-73 SOUTH shield being added. I did took a few photos of it but it was in the direct sunlight, so I am going to try again next time.

When you're driving south on US 220 approaching I-85/I-73 interchange, there is also a sign that now says "US 220 SOUTH to I-73 SOUTH".
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: froggie on September 28, 2013, 01:05:19 AM
Officially it would be first signed as Future I-840 still until FHWA approves it being completed to Interstate standards.

FTFY.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 11, 2013, 11:24:59 AM
To add to yesterday's news, the NCDOT Construction Progress Report now lists the US 220 sign replacement project as 72.5% complete as of September 7. The remaining funds needed to put up the I-73 and I-74 signs?
The signage project is supposed to be complete as of 5 this afternoon (10/11). Meanwhile, work on the High Point interchange along the I-73 portion of the Greensboro Loop will close this part of the highway over the weekend:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=8875 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=8875)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MBHockey13 on October 11, 2013, 10:43:43 PM
To add to yesterday's news, the NCDOT Construction Progress Report now lists the US 220 sign replacement project as 72.5% complete as of September 7. The remaining funds needed to put up the I-73 and I-74 signs?
The signage project is supposed to be complete as of 5 this afternoon (10/11). Meanwhile, work on the High Point interchange along the I-73 portion of the Greensboro Loop will close this part of the highway over the weekend:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=8875 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=8875)

I live right off High Point Road by this future interchange. I have already taken pics of a lot of the work being done on the new High Point Road. I'll take more and post them if there is any interest.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 13, 2013, 01:10:57 PM
Yeah.. post it up :-)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 14, 2013, 02:13:16 PM
To add to yesterday's news, the NCDOT Construction Progress Report now lists the US 220 sign replacement project as 72.5% complete as of September 7. The remaining funds needed to put up the I-73 and I-74 signs?
The signage project is supposed to be complete as of 5 this afternoon (10/11). Meanwhile, work on the High Point interchange along the I-73 portion of the Greensboro Loop will close this part of the highway over the weekend:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=8875 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=8875)

I live right off High Point Road by this future interchange. I have already taken pics of a lot of the work being done on the new High Point Road. I'll take more and post them if there is any interest.



Another interesting thing about this interchange: it will be Greensboro's first Diverging Diamond Interchange (DDI). (future exit 100)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on October 14, 2013, 04:20:11 PM
To add to yesterday's news, the NCDOT Construction Progress Report now lists the US 220 sign replacement project as 72.5% complete as of September 7. The remaining funds needed to put up the I-73 and I-74 signs?
The signage project is supposed to be complete as of 5 this afternoon (10/11). Meanwhile, work on the High Point interchange along the I-73 portion of the Greensboro Loop will close this part of the highway over the weekend:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=8875 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=8875)

I live right off High Point Road by this future interchange. I have already taken pics of a lot of the work being done on the new High Point Road. I'll take more and post them if there is any interest.



Another interesting thing about this interchange: it will be Greensboro's first Diverging Diamond Interchange (DDI). (future exit 100)


This confuses me. Isn't Gallimore Dairy Road on I-40 (Exit 211) a DDI???!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 14, 2013, 04:38:53 PM
No, that's a SPUI.

Here is the definition of the DDI:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverging_diamond_interchange#Other_states



I drove by the I-73/I-85 interchange area and see if there are any new sign changes.. so far, nothing. I think the weather delayed the new signage changes since it's been 3 days late now.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on October 14, 2013, 05:35:56 PM
No, that's a SPUI.

Here is the definition of the DDI:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverging_diamond_interchange#Other_states



I drove by the I-73/I-85 interchange area and see if there are any new sign changes.. so far, nothing. I think the weather delayed the new signage changes since it's been 3 days late now.


Hmm, neat, thanks for the clarification Strider. On a side note, I do believe that the Union Cross interchange with I-40 in Winston-Salem is planned as a DDI...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 14, 2013, 05:58:35 PM
I drove by the I-73/I-85 interchange area and see if there are any new sign changes.. so far, nothing. I think the weather delayed the new signage changes since it's been 3 days late now.
In related no new sign news. I e-mailed the reporter for the Winston-Salem Journal who wrote about the plan for NCDOT to sign I-74 along US 311 this summer in Forsyth County east of I-40. He reports as of this weekend, it's still signed Future I-74/US 311. He's in contact with NCDOT almost weekly and said he'll e-mail me if he learns when NCDOT is about to put up any new I-74 signs.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 14, 2013, 06:03:35 PM
In Breaking I-73/I-74 News. The completion date for the US 220 sign update project has been moved back to December. Here's the updated project listing: https://apps.dot.state.nc.us/traffictravel/progloc/ProgLocSearch.aspx (https://apps.dot.state.nc.us/traffictravel/progloc/ProgLocSearch.aspx) Apparently, it's more difficult to put up new interstate shields than we thought.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 14, 2013, 11:49:01 PM
Probably ran into money woes... or the weather.. who knows. Hopefully they gets the signage thing done by then.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 19, 2013, 12:25:02 PM
In Breaking I-73/I-74 News. The completion date for the US 220 sign update project has been moved back to December. Here's the updated project listing: https://apps.dot.state.nc.us/traffictravel/progloc/ProgLocSearch.aspx (https://apps.dot.state.nc.us/traffictravel/progloc/ProgLocSearch.aspx) Apparently, it's more difficult to put up new interstate shields than we thought.
The Construction Project page for the contract has been updated. The project is listed over 80% complete as of about a week ago. See why the completion date was moved, and now moved further back from Dec. 13 to Dec. 19.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 19, 2013, 01:23:46 PM
Is that one the signage changes or actual construction?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 20, 2013, 04:05:46 PM
Is that one the signage changes or actual construction?
The percentage listed actually is not directly related to the amount of work completed on a contract but the amount spent on the project at the date indicated over the total cost of the contract. You would assume most of the cost of this project is for the creating and installing the new exit signs, so the remaining 20% of costs (and the project is listed as a few percentage points over-budget) could probably account for the making and installing of route shields and sign posts and thus indicates most of that has not been started yet as has been observed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 21, 2013, 11:50:51 AM
Some good news to report progress-wise, for a change. In perusing the traffic camera image at the I-85 South/I-73/US 220 interchange this morning I was able to spot that the US 220 South ramp sign has finally been updated to includes I-73 South. Hopefully, someone driving in the area can confirm I'm not just seeing things.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on October 21, 2013, 01:41:14 PM
Some good news to report progress-wise, for a change. In perusing the traffic camera image at the I-85 South/I-73/US 220 interchange this morning I was able to spot that the US 220 South ramp sign has finally been updated to includes I-73 South. Hopefully, someone driving in the area can confirm I'm not just seeing things.
The last time I passed through there, the US 220 overheads on I 85 South were updated with I 73 shields, but the overheads on the C/D lanes were not updated.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 21, 2013, 07:18:51 PM
Some good news to report progress-wise, for a change. In perusing the traffic camera image at the I-85 South/I-73/US 220 interchange this morning I was able to spot that the US 220 South ramp sign has finally been updated to includes I-73 South. Hopefully, someone driving in the area can confirm I'm not just seeing things.




I will drive through the area tomorrow and see if it is confirmed. I drove there as of last week and there is no update on the US 220 South ramp though.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on October 22, 2013, 08:28:59 PM
Drove by the area earlier today and yes there is in fact now I-73 shields being added to US 220 overhead signage on the US 220 ramp from I-85 South.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 25, 2013, 11:00:45 AM
Drove by the area earlier today and yes there is in fact now I-73 shields being added to US 220 overhead signage on the US 220 ramp from I-85 South.
Here's one of Strider's photos of the new signage, also posted with others he sent me on my I-73 Segment 4/5 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)
(http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg5str6.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 15, 2013, 02:02:35 PM
No new sign news for I-73, however some construction news. Part of the I-73 Connector Project that is to complete the interstate between the Greensboro Loop and NC 68 has been postponed for a year due to design issues. Fortunately, this part only concerns the redesigning of the existing Loop exit ramps at Bryan Blvd/Future I-73 to accommodate more lanes. The rest of the project, now combined with the NC 68-US 220 Connector project into one design-build contract, is still scheduled to be let in January. The RFP and hearing documents for that contract are available at the NCDOT website https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Design-Build-Letting-Details.aspx?let_id=I-5110%2C+R-2413+A+and+B (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Design-Build-Letting-Details.aspx?let_id=I-5110%2C+R-2413+A+and+B).

The hearing map shows I-73 will not join NC 68 between the 2 'Connectors' but, coming from the PTI Airport, cross over onto a parallel roadway west of NC 68 then cross back over to head for US 220. The NC 68 exit North and South off-ramps from I-73 will be split between the two cross-overs. A bridge will also be built over I-73 to accommodate an airport taxiway. As for the other upcoming I-73 project, the start of the US 220 Rockingham Bypass project is also still scheduled to be let in January (delayed from this past summer).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on November 17, 2013, 10:41:52 AM
Yeah, I agree with redesigning the future I-73/Bryan Blvd/Loop interchange ramps... especially from future I-73 South (Bryan Blvd East) to the Loop going south to I-40.. the merging point is very dangerous. Thank goodness they are adding another lane. But, they should also add another lane at the northern ramp (the flyover) where it merges in a single lane.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 04, 2013, 08:31:03 PM
I drove by I-73/US 220 south of I-85 earlier today and I spotted the I-73/US 220 shields being now up on the road. Since it was dark earlier, I didn't had a chance to take photos of them, but I will do that during the day. But I am happy to report that there is finally official I-73 shields on the highway, making the interstate now official from I-85 South and beyond.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 1995hoo on December 04, 2013, 10:25:03 PM
I drove by I-73/US 220 south of I-85 earlier today and I spotted the I-73/US 220 shields being now up on the road. Since it was dark earlier, I didn't had a chance to take photos of them, but I will do that during the day. But I am happy to report that there is finally official I-73 shields on the highway, making the interstate now official from I-85 South and beyond.

Work crews were out there just south of I-85 on Saturday, November 23, replacing the "FUTURE I-73" shields with standard ones. Dashcam was turned off at the time, so I don't have pictures. I totally forgot to mention it after driving several hundred more miles that day!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 05, 2013, 12:27:58 AM
Yeah, I will try to take some photos of these shields around Guilford County (no reason to go down past that since I'm sure shields are replaced down there). There is also a few new trailblazers showing "GSO-PTI Airport" along I-73 North between I-85 and the Bryan Blvd interchange... but the only thing that haven't changed in the area yet are the exit numbers on the US 220 offramp from I-85 South (still says 122B for I-73/US 220 South and 122A for Groometown Rd) which are supposed to say Exit 122A and Exit 97, and the future I-73/840 multiplex (still uses exits 1-3) which are supposed to be changed to Exits 104 and 107.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on December 05, 2013, 01:23:41 PM
Yeah, I will try to take some photos of these shields around Guilford County (no reason to go down past that since I'm sure shields are replaced down there). There is also a few new trailblazers showing "GSO-PTI Airport" along I-73 North between I-85 and the Bryan Blvd interchange... but the only thing that haven't changed in the area yet are the exit numbers on the US 220 offramp from I-85 South (still says 122B for I-73/US 220 South and 122A for Groometown Rd) which are supposed to say Exit 122A and Exit 97, and the future I-73/840 multiplex (still uses exits 1-3) which are supposed to be changed to Exits 104 and 107.

Dang! As of last Wednesday nothing had changed on I-73 NB upto I-40 WB when I drove through in route to W-S for Thanksgiving. Good news though! I'll be back up there later this month!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on December 05, 2013, 04:58:44 PM
Drove the entire route for the current signing project today. All of the reassurance shields on the main line are no longer Future. US 220 is now rerouted from Candor to Ellerbe back onto US 220 Alternate.
However, the sign complexes at the top of the interchange ramps on the Candor to Ellerbe section still have future banners and US 220 shields.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 05, 2013, 05:43:03 PM
Did you take pictures of these signs? I only took some off Exit 94 of I-73.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 05, 2013, 10:43:22 PM
Did you take pictures of these signs? I only took some off Exit 94 of I-73.
Here is one of Strider's photos that he sent me: (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg6str1213a.jpg)
The rest are on my I-73 Segment 6 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg6.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg6.html) I have also updated other segment pages and the I-73 and I-74 progress summary pages with information from the latest posts.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 05, 2013, 11:05:23 PM
Now, there is only 1 I-73 routing under construction: widening of US 220 North of the future NC 68/US 220 connector/interchange to NC 68, and the other 2: I-73 Connector near PTI-GSO Airport and the NC 68/US 220 Connector itself is going to be under construction in 2014.... seems like North Carolina is trying to finish things up with I-73's routing. But, what about I-74? any news?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on December 06, 2013, 10:31:47 AM
...But, what about I-74? any news?

Forsyth County portion of I-74/US 311 in the south-eastern part of the county only need "official" signs but is approved as part of Interstate system. I-74 to be built between I-40 Business and US 158, scheduled for letting in 2014, construction in 2015.

R. Malme would know this more than I would, but the Rockingham By-Pass (which will carry both I-73/74) is going to let in 2014.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 21, 2013, 12:00:14 PM
NCDOT has released plans for contracts to be let on January 21. The plans page is linked here: http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/dsplan/2014%20Highway%20Letting/01-21-14/Plans%20and%20Proposals/ (http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/dsplan/2014%20Highway%20Letting/01-21-14/Plans%20and%20Proposals/)

Among the plans released are those for the first phase of the I-73/74 Rockingham Bypass project (Richmond County), upgrading US 220 for 3 miles from south of the current end of I-73/74 in Ellerbe. The signage plans indicate that there will be one exit (Exit 23-Dockery Rd/Haywood Cemetery Rd) between Ellerbe and where the Bypass will exit (Exit 22). That US 220 is not going to use the Bypass but stay along its current alignment (I-73 South/I-74 East will be Exit 5 off of US 220 northbound). That, therefore, an announcement made back in 2000 that the existing section of US 220 would be signed as Business I-74 through Rockingham is apparently not going to be the case. The control cities for the future I-73/I-74 to US 74 Bypass signs will be Wilmington and Myrtle Beach. The northbound sings at the southern US 220 exit will indicate Ellerbe and Asheboro. The plans also show a future Exit 20 along the Bypass (Cartledge Creek Rd) which won't be constructed until at least 2018. The last I-73 South mile marker will be 23 and the speed limit will be 65.

I will be updating my I-73 Segment 11 page and the exit listings with this new information.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 22, 2013, 03:53:34 PM
I have updated my I-73 Segment 11 page with the new information based on the signage plans. Here's the plan for the signage for the US 220 exit at the start of the future bypass:
(http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/I73seg11exit22plansm.jpg)
The page link: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/I73seg11.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 22, 2013, 04:18:54 PM
What will the interchange design be? A trumpet? A tri-level stack? or does anyone know? but i am glad they are finally focusing on the Rockingham bypass. Not feeling the "TO US 74" signage because you can also reach US 74 heading south on US 220 as well.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on December 22, 2013, 05:01:51 PM
Who sat on the sign?

Fixed link: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html

Unless it's going to be better to exit I-74 and re-enter in Rockingham, to US 74 makes perfect sense, given that it's a western bypass.

Plans: http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/dsplan/2014%20Highway%20Letting/01-21-14/Digital%20Files/R3421C/
When I finish downloading I'll report on trumpetness. edit: never mind, I don't feel like figuring out how to read DGN files again.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NJRoadfan on December 22, 2013, 05:23:55 PM
http://www.bentley.com/en-US/Free+Software/bentley+view.htm
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on December 22, 2013, 06:02:47 PM
What will the interchange design be? A trumpet? A tri-level stack? or does anyone know? but i am glad they are finally focusing on the Rockingham bypass. Not feeling the "TO US 74" signage because you can also reach US 74 heading south on US 220 as well.
According the diagrams in the Signing document, it is going to be a trumpet.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 23, 2013, 04:09:29 PM
Who sat on the sign?

Fixed link: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html

Unless it's going to be better to exit I-74 and re-enter in Rockingham, to US 74 makes perfect sense, given that it's a western bypass.

Plans: http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/dsplan/2014%20Highway%20Letting/01-21-14/Digital%20Files/R3421C/
When I finish downloading I'll report on trumpetness. edit: never mind, I don't feel like figuring out how to read DGN files again.


If that signage is making a perfect sense to you, they should also put up "TO US 1" on US 220 south signage as well even though the Future I-73/74 US 74 also interchanges with US 1 south of town. That's just my opinion.

Hopefully the future interchange itself is just an trumpet.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on December 23, 2013, 04:44:42 PM
If that signage is making a perfect sense to you, they should also put up "TO US 1" on US 220 south signage as well even though the Future I-73/74 US 74 also interchanges with US 1 south of town. That's just my opinion.

Hopefully the future interchange itself is just an trumpet.

I don't see the need for people on the highway know where US 1 is, especially since the interstates will also connect with US 1 once the gap is completed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 23, 2013, 05:05:27 PM
I managed to open the file to look at the proposed interchange.. the interchange where US 220 (exit 22) will diverge from I-73/74 is going to be an trumpet.

The new exit with Haywood Cemetery Road will be folded diamond (future exit 23).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on December 23, 2013, 05:47:11 PM
I don't see the need for people on the highway know where US 1 is, especially since the interstates will also connect with US 1 once the gap is completed.
Exactly. Whereas US 74 west is a major highway to Charlotte.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on December 24, 2013, 05:51:00 PM
Does anyone foresee NC making any effort to build 73 south of Rockingham to the SC state line without any progress on 73 in SC
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on December 24, 2013, 06:04:04 PM
Does anyone foresee NC making any effort to build 73 south of Rockingham to the SC state line without any progress on 73 in SC
My Magic 8-ball is busted.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on December 24, 2013, 09:34:56 PM
Does anyone foresee NC making any effort to build 73 south of Rockingham to the SC state line without any progress on 73 in SC
It is my understanding that it will be SCDOT that will build that section, not NCDOT per an agreement made regarding I-73 and I-74.  Considering how South Carolina wants I-73 badly, yet can't seem to put the funds together to build it, it will be a while.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 24, 2013, 10:49:26 PM
Yeah, WashuOtaku is right. SCDOT is supposed to be building that section, but that will be a long awhile. I-73 will probably just end in Rockingham for time being. With the southeast routing of I-74 from Whiteville down to SC line is still unclear, SCDOT should just shift their focus on building that section of I-73 from Rockingaham to closest town in SC near the state line.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on December 24, 2013, 10:57:39 PM
With the southeast routing of I-74 from Whiteville down to SC line is still unclear, SCDOT should just shift their focus on building that section of I-73 from Rockingaham to closest town in SC near the state line.
It's clear that it will tie into SC 31, and almost as clear that it will never be built north of Supply. But I do agree that their focus should be on I-73.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 04, 2014, 01:18:15 PM
I have posted my I-73/I-74 Year in Review blog post for 2013. Thanks to all the AARoads Forum members who have helped keep me up to date on the latest news during this past year:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2014/01/i-73i-74-in-nc-2013-year-in-review.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2014/01/i-73i-74-in-nc-2013-year-in-review.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CarolinaPaladin on January 15, 2014, 12:26:01 PM
Indeed it will be an interesting year in Rockingham for Interstates 73 and 74.

Regarding United States Highway 220 south, is the planned interchange a y-interchange with a flyover for US-220 southbound traffic?  The approved signage displays two lanes diverting for US-220 south.

In regards to I-73 and I-74 connecting with US-74's bypass, I would assume the current interchange with US-74 bypass and US-74 business routes would be improved.  I imagine an improved interchange similar in design to US-501 and SC-31 (Carolina Bays Parkway) in Myrtle Beach, Horry County, South Carolina.  The interchange is two opposite trumpet interchanges.  Is there a designed interchange already?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 15, 2014, 12:51:14 PM
connecting with US-74's bypass, I would assume the current interchange with US-74 bypass and US-74 business routes would be improved.

you mean there's three 74s in the area!?

what a crock of shit, this I-74 mess.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on January 15, 2014, 01:12:45 PM

you mean there's three 74s in the area!?

what a crock of shit, this I-74 mess.

A little east there are 4.

East of Maxton there is an interchange involving I-74, US 74, US 74-A, and US 74 Bus

No one place shows all 4 signs in one view that I can find but here they are on opposite sides of the same bridge:
http://goo.gl/maps/ICRLM and http://goo.gl/maps/2nPhU

Mapmikey
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CarolinaPaladin on January 15, 2014, 01:42:54 PM
connecting with US-74's bypass, I would assume the current interchange with US-74 bypass and US-74 business routes would be improved.

you mean there's three 74s in the area!?

what a crock of shit, this I-74 mess.


you mean there's three 74s in the area!?

what a crock of shit, this I-74 mess.

A little east there are 4.

East of Maxton there is an interchange involving I-74, US 74, US 74-A, and US 74 Bus

No one place shows all 4 signs in one view that I can find but here they are on opposite sides of the same bridge:
http://goo.gl/maps/ICRLM and http://goo.gl/maps/2nPhU

Mapmikey

Four routes numbered 74 are overkill indeed. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: english si on January 15, 2014, 02:40:45 PM
2 is just about tolerable*, if one has a blue/red shield and the other has a white one: the big crime is three white-shielded 74 routes.

*There's other, bigger, horrors with the I-74 designation that make it even less tolerable.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on January 15, 2014, 02:58:36 PM
Four parallel 'white-shielded' US 70 routes through the Smithfield-Selma area.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/35.5091/-78.2959&layers=Q
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CarolinaPaladin on January 15, 2014, 04:57:42 PM
Four parallel 'white-shielded' US 70 routes through the Smithfield-Selma area.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/35.5091/-78.2959&layers=Q

I-495 is designated on that map from I-440 to US-264.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on January 15, 2014, 05:32:31 PM
I-495 is designated on that map from I-440 to US-264.

Well, that's incorrect.  It's only between I-440 and I-540; but it is edited by regular people, so mistakes will happen... like Google maps and Apple maps.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CarolinaPaladin on January 15, 2014, 10:57:17 PM
I-495 is designated on that map from I-440 to US-264.

Well, that's incorrect.  It's only between I-440 and I-540; but it is edited by regular people, so mistakes will happen... like Google maps and Apple maps.

It will be correct in time.  Now when I-795's northern terminus is extended to I-495...groundwork will be rolling there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 15, 2014, 11:04:02 PM
I-495 is designated on that map from I-440 to US-264.

Well, that's incorrect.  It's only between I-440 and I-540; but it is edited by regular people, so mistakes will happen... like Google maps and Apple maps.
Unlike Google maps they have placed I-74 along the entire length of the US 311 freeway from I-40 to I-73, while not signed in Forsyth County yet, its officially I-74 according to the FHWA. Like Google maps, they include I-74 on the US 74 Rockingham Bypass, but unlike Google, not on the Laurinburg/Maxton Bypass. Meanwhile, the have removed US 220 from its entire corridor south of Greensboro but still refer to Alt US 220 where it now leaves I-73/74 south of Candor.

Meanwhile, I was curious to see how old the Google Street View images along the Bypass were and what they showed for signage in the Laurinburg area, so I continued up the Bypass on Google from the link from a couple posts above. The images are from last April and still show empty signposts where the I-74 signs were. In addition, NCDOT has added a 'To' Banner to the I-74 East signage since I had last checked out the on-ramps at the NC 71 exit and also removed the I-74 reassurance shield to the east, meaning NCDOT now conforms to where the FHWA says the next segment of I-74 begins, at Alt 74/Bus. 74.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on January 16, 2014, 12:47:21 PM
I hope NCDOT will do something with the 74 mess after I-74 is being built in the state. It's a serious mess. Some routes should be reduced to state routes. Or they can move US 74 back to the old alignment and leave just I-74. Still a mess, but less messier.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on January 16, 2014, 06:11:22 PM
I hope NCDOT will do something with the 74 mess after I-74 is being built in the state. It's a serious mess. Some routes should be reduced to state routes. Or they can move US 74 back to the old alignment and leave just I-74. Still a mess, but less messier.

Highly unlikely NCDOT will do anything with US 74, since its still considered a major highway that links the southern areas of the state, from the Mountains to the Beach.  Removing the entire route would mean changing EVERYTHING... and that's not in the budget.  And honestly, I believe most people know the difference between US 74 and Interstate 74.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on January 16, 2014, 10:37:33 PM
I hope NCDOT will do something with the 74 mess after I-74 is being built in the state. It's a serious mess. Some routes should be reduced to state routes. Or they can move US 74 back to the old alignment and leave just I-74. Still a mess, but less messier.

Highly unlikely NCDOT will do anything with US 74, since its still considered a major highway that links the southern areas of the state, from the Mountains to the Beach.  Removing the entire route would mean changing EVERYTHING... and that's not in the budget.  And honestly, I believe most people know the difference between US 74 and Interstate 74.




Of course, NCDOT wouldn't. We know them too well. I am just saying there's a possibility but we can just dream. Either way, I am looking forward to the completion of the Rockingham bypass.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on January 23, 2014, 07:13:50 PM
No updates on I-74 signage along US 311 between I-40 and High Point city line. However, while driving east on I-40, just before the US 311 interchange, I spotted a brand new I-74 signage that interprets "I-74 East exits here" like EAST I-74 RIGHT ARROW. That's pretty much it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 23, 2014, 10:13:12 PM
No updates on I-74 signage along US 311 between I-40 and High Point city line. However, while driving east on I-40, just before the US 311 interchange, I spotted a brand new I-74 signage that interprets "I-74 East exits here" like EAST I-74 RIGHT ARROW. That's pretty much it.
Well, I guess that's some progress. If you get back there with a camera sometime, I'd happily post a photo it on my site.
The contract for the first phase of the Rockingham Bypass was let Tuesday, hopefully construction will start by March.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on January 24, 2014, 11:10:08 AM
No updates on I-74 signage along US 311 between I-40 and High Point city line. However, while driving east on I-40, just before the US 311 interchange, I spotted a brand new I-74 signage that interprets "I-74 East exits here" like EAST I-74 RIGHT ARROW. That's pretty much it.

was it overhead? and was it a shield accompanied by text? or just text?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on January 24, 2014, 02:12:00 PM
http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/12202954/2/stock-photo-12202954-interstate-40-east-highway-road-sign.jpg (http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/12202954/2/stock-photo-12202954-interstate-40-east-highway-road-sign.jpg)


Nope, it's just like the photo above.. except it is "74" instead of "40". The next time I am on this way, I will pull over and get a photo of it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on February 07, 2014, 07:45:23 PM
Spoke with Wesley Young of the Winston-Salem Journal a couple days ago. He spoke with Div 9 Engineer Pat Ivey recently, and found out the project to sign Forsyth County's portion of I-74 is still planned, just delayed. He did confirm they placed the I-74 sign as a short term fix. He will continue to monitor and write another article when he knows more.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on February 08, 2014, 08:41:40 PM
Yeah that explains why i saw the I-74 ground sign out there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 05, 2014, 11:41:57 PM
Curious, but does anybody have photos showing US-220 being removed between Exits #25 and #41?  Just wanted to make sure that part of the signage upgrade has been done before I update it in OSM.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 05, 2014, 11:53:57 PM
Curious, but does anybody have photos showing US-220 being removed between Exits #25 and #41?  Just wanted to make sure that part of the signage upgrade has been done before I update it in OSM.

Yeeeep.  I can confirm that US 220 was moved back on its original alignment between exit 25-41.

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5545/11719394164_101cbd2517.jpg) (http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7303/11719355553_95d585fbab.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on March 06, 2014, 12:33:27 AM
Have I mentioned that NCDOT rules?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 06, 2014, 09:29:53 AM
Curious, but does anybody have photos showing US-220 being removed between Exits #25 and #41?  Just wanted to make sure that part of the signage upgrade has been done before I update it in OSM.

Yeeeep.  I can confirm that US 220 was moved back on its original alignment between exit 25-41.

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5545/11719394164_101cbd2517.jpg) (http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7303/11719355553_95d585fbab.jpg)

Thanks for the conformation.  I've now fixed OSM in that area. :)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 06, 2014, 10:48:55 AM
Curious, but does anybody have photos showing US-220 being removed between Exits #25 and #41?  Just wanted to make sure that part of the signage upgrade has been done before I update it in OSM.

Yeeeep.  I can confirm that US 220 was moved back on its original alignment between exit 25-41.

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5545/11719394164_101cbd2517.jpg) (http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7303/11719355553_95d585fbab.jpg)

Thanks for the conformation.  I've now fixed OSM in that area. :)
I assume those are Begin North I-73/West I-74 signs in the background of Exit 25.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 06, 2014, 01:25:22 PM
I assume those are Begin North I-73/West I-74 signs in the background of Exit 25.

Your assumption is correct.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3792/11719260793_6fd302739d.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 06, 2014, 01:52:10 PM
how much more wrong can we get?

* random beginning in the beginning of nowhere
* useless multiplex
* 73 connects nothing to nowhere
* 74 connects lots of nothings to lots of nowheres, doesn't fit the grid, conflicts with US-74, and duplicates the number of a legitimate interstate
* '70 spec shields with oversize number and no state name

and people think 238 is an issue?  238 is an important link with a silly number.  this is just bizarro-pork.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 06, 2014, 03:24:34 PM
how much more wrong can we get?

* random beginning in the beginning of nowhere
* useless multiplex
* 73 connects nothing to nowhere
* 74 connects lots of nothings to lots of nowheres, doesn't fit the grid, conflicts with US-74, and duplicates the number of a legitimate interstate
* '70 spec shields with oversize number and no state name

and people think 238 is an issue?  238 is an important link with a silly number.  this is just bizarro-pork.

There is also "end" signs located on the otherside too, I just didn't post the picture.  But you are not being fair because these interstates are still being extended in the state.  Construction south of here is slated to begin in a couple of years; the current interstate system wasn't built overnight, took several decades.

Both I-73 and I-74 take different routes to Myrtle Beach (splitting at Rockingham), which has no interstate connection; when the interstate is expanded beyond North Carolina, it will connect the Mid-west states to the Southeast.  I-73 north connects Asheboro and Greensboro and eventually Roanoke, VA.  I-74 connects High Point, Winston-Salem and Mount Airy.

Nobody seems to be confused with US 74 and I-74.

The interstate shield style is used throughout North Carolina; they do not put their state name on them.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on March 06, 2014, 04:16:28 PM
when the interstate is expanded beyond North Carolina, it will connect the Mid-west states to the Southeast

Except it won't.

You won't see I-74 in Virginia, West Virginia and Ohio/Kentucky, and I have my doubts that you'll ever see I-73 in Virginia.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on March 06, 2014, 04:19:57 PM
I see I-74 in Ohio.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 06, 2014, 05:19:08 PM
I assume those are Begin North I-73/West I-74 signs in the background of Exit 25.

Your assumption is correct.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3792/11719260793_6fd302739d.jpg)
Could I possibly post the photo, and the others, on my I-73/I-74 site?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: US 41 on March 06, 2014, 05:59:58 PM
I see I-74 in Ohio.

The only reason you see it is because it already exists west of Cincinnati. I sort of doubt we'll ever see it east of Cincinnati.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 06, 2014, 06:50:26 PM
But you are not being fair because these interstates are still being extended in the state.  Construction south of here is slated to begin in a couple of years; the current interstate system wasn't built overnight, took several decades.

why does NC get to post I-73/74 as every segment is opened, while Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee have to wait for I-22?  I-22 is a much more significantly continuous route.  73/74 reminds me of the boondoggle that is 69.

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Both I-73 and I-74 take different routes to Myrtle Beach (splitting at Rockingham), which has no interstate connection;

lots of places have no interstate connection.  it's Myrtle Beach, not Chicago. 

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I-73 north connects Asheboro and Greensboro and eventually Roanoke, VA.  I-74 connects High Point, Winston-Salem and Mount Airy.
US-220 is a perfectly adequate number for a regional freeway.  (just ask Pennsylvania!)  or, I can actually see 73 as a valid number (without the whole FritzOwlesque pipe dream of "gee whiz let's connect it to Michigan!"), but 74 is just completely ridiculous.

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Nobody seems to be confused with US 74 and I-74.
not even at the 74 split?  there are so many integers available for an ostensibly east-west interstate south of I-40... why did they have to pick 74? as with 99, the bastardization of a mathematically coherent system for political purposes continues.  (this precise "we must have this number pass through our town!" gerrymandering is why AASHO originally insisted on a grid-based system in 1926.)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 06, 2014, 07:40:41 PM
But you are not being fair because these interstates are still being extended in the state.  Construction south of here is slated to begin in a couple of years; the current interstate system wasn't built overnight, took several decades.

why does NC get to post I-73/74 as every segment is opened, while Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee have to wait for I-22?  I-22 is a much more significantly continuous route.  73/74 reminds me of the boondoggle that is 69.

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Both I-73 and I-74 take different routes to Myrtle Beach (splitting at Rockingham), which has no interstate connection;

lots of places have no interstate connection.  it's Myrtle Beach, not Chicago. 

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I-73 north connects Asheboro and Greensboro and eventually Roanoke, VA.  I-74 connects High Point, Winston-Salem and Mount Airy.
US-220 is a perfectly adequate number for a regional freeway.  (just ask Pennsylvania!)  or, I can actually see 73 as a valid number (without the whole FritzOwlesque pipe dream of "gee whiz let's connect it to Michigan!"), but 74 is just completely ridiculous.

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Nobody seems to be confused with US 74 and I-74.
not even at the 74 split?  there are so many integers available for an ostensibly east-west interstate south of I-40... why did they have to pick 74? as with 99, the bastardization of a mathematically coherent system for political purposes continues.  (this precise "we must have this number pass through our town!" gerrymandering is why AASHO originally insisted on a grid-based system in 1926.)




I-73 and I-74 is congressional designed interstates, just like 99 and 69. You don't like it.. take it up to them. I-73/74 will connect to Ohio, Michigan, West Virginia and Virginia. However, it will not be happening in our lifetime. The farthest I-73 will connect is Myrtle Beach, SC and Roanoke, VA. I don't know about I-74 though and personally I support I-73 more than I-74.

I-22 isn't designed because it have not connect to a interstate yet (I-65 interchange is still under construction), but I do recall in some places there are I-22 shields up. Somebody will confirm that.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 06, 2014, 07:49:18 PM
Could I possibly post the photo, and the others, on my I-73/I-74 site?

As long as you provide credit and link back to my flickr page.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/washuotaku/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/washuotaku/)

I have more pictures, you can do a search on my photostream when you get there, I use tags.  :-D
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: english si on March 06, 2014, 08:00:53 PM
not even at the 74 split?  there are so many integers available for an ostensibly east-west interstate south of I-40... why did they have to pick 74?
Because those who planned the scheme wanted the Cincinnati-Portsmouth interstate to connect Cincinnati with places east/south east in a more direct way as part of the congressionally designated future interstate corridor and they also needed a number for the alternate, N-S, round the houses, route through the Carolinas and decided that the best way to do it was to have I-74 run concurrent through the Virginias and pretend that the alt route was E-W?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on March 06, 2014, 08:09:06 PM
Who was the original proponent of I-73/74? For example, the I-69 porkstension began as an Indy-Evansville route being pushed by folks in Washington, Indiana. Was I-73/74 an outgrowth of an I-95 link to Myrtle Beach studied in 1982 (http://www.i73insc.com/history.shtml)? Or did this simply get tacked onto the end of Bluefield's desire to get US 52 four-laned (http://www.i73.com/aboutus.html)?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 06, 2014, 08:54:46 PM
the I-69 porkstension began as an Indy-Evansville route being pushed by folks in Washington, Indiana.
that's some mighty fine porkery, getting a road extended a bit southward in Indiana.  oh, like all the way to the Texas/Mexico border.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Thing 342 on March 06, 2014, 09:50:09 PM
IMO, I think that I-73 has greater utility than NC!I-74 as currently planned. I-74's route (specifically east of I-95) looks like it was drawn by someone's 2-year old child.The best solution, IMO, would be to route I-73 along I-74's planned route north of the split in High Point, and then simply decommission the rest. Unfortunately, it seems that the most important part of the 73/74 project (I-95- MB connector) will be among the last built.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Tom958 on March 06, 2014, 09:52:33 PM
Who was the original proponent of I-73/74? For example, the I-69 porkstension began as an Indy-Evansville route being pushed by folks in Washington, Indiana. Was I-73/74 an outgrowth of an I-95 link to Myrtle Beach studied in 1982 (http://www.i73insc.com/history.shtml)? Or did this simply get tacked onto the end of Bluefield's desire to get US 52 four-laned (http://www.i73.com/aboutus.html)?

The first I ever heard about it, back in the '80's, it was the latter. And it was just I-73 at that point, from Myrtle Beach to Toledo via Winston Salem...

Quote from: Thing 342
The best solution, IMO, would be to route I-73 along I-74's planned route north of the split in High Point...

Yeah, like that. :)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on March 06, 2014, 09:59:47 PM
The best solution, IMO, would be to route I-73 along I-74's planned route north of the split in High Point, and then simply decommission the rest.
Yep. I-73 from Mount Airy to Myrtle Beach, and I-74 from Charlotte to Wilmington.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 06, 2014, 10:48:11 PM
IMO, I think that I-73 has greater utility than NC!I-74 as currently planned. I-74's route (specifically east of I-95) looks like it was drawn by someone's 2-year old child.The best solution, IMO, would be to route I-73 along I-74's planned route north of the split in High Point, and then simply decommission the rest. Unfortunately, it seems that the most important part of the 73/74 project (I-95- MB connector) will be among the last built.

I-73 is an important route in and around Greensboro.  Which is why they are currently constructing I-73 north of Greensboro now.  When Virginia gets their butts in gear and start building the freeway to Roanoke, then its existence will be less questioned (they already got an approved route: http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/Salem/I-73_Map_December_2012.jpg (http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/Salem/I-73_Map_December_2012.jpg)).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 07, 2014, 01:08:25 AM
Exactly, plus, NCDOT are going to rebuild/construct I-73 connector between NC 68 and Future I-840/I-73/Bryan Blvd soon, like in 2015 I think. So, we have 2 sections of I-73 under construction right now (NC 68/US 220 connector & the one south of Ellebre) with one more coming up at the PTI Airport area (I-73 Connector).

I haven't heard anything about I-74 except the short section of W-S beltway between US 158 and Business 40 that will be under construction soon.

So, I have the feeling NCDOT is focusing more on I-73 more.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 07, 2014, 01:14:46 AM
Also, in other I-73 related news, Virginia Senate passes I-73 study. That's a good news. Hopefully they can go forward with that soon.

http://www.martinsvillebulletin.com/article.cfm?ID=41116

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on March 07, 2014, 02:13:16 AM
Maybe the study will jibe with common sense and recommend spot upgrades to US 220. Not everything needs to be Interstate standard.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on March 07, 2014, 11:21:45 AM
Maybe the study will jibe with common sense and recommend spot upgrades to US 220. Not everything needs to be Interstate standard.

Elizabeth, honey, I'm-a comin' to join you.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: I94RoadRunner on March 08, 2014, 01:49:31 AM
Curious, but does anybody have photos showing US-220 being removed between Exits #25 and #41?  Just wanted to make sure that part of the signage upgrade has been done before I update it in OSM.

Yeeeep.  I can confirm that US 220 was moved back on its original alignment between exit 25-41.

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5545/11719394164_101cbd2517.jpg) (http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7303/11719355553_95d585fbab.jpg)

Thanks for the conformation.  I've now fixed OSM in that area. :)
I assume those are Begin North I-73/West I-74 signs in the background of Exit 25.

And what exactly is NCDOT's point here .....? This seems silly to relocate only a 16 mile piece of US 220 back to its original alignment IMO. Why either wait until I-73/74 gets completed or else just leave the old road ALT US 220 .....? Not like travelers need more confusion with more sign changes right now, yes .....?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: froggie on March 08, 2014, 05:57:40 AM
Regarding I-73 in Virginia, the reality is that it's no more than a pipe dream of Roanoke, a few cities in the Carolinas, and a few members of this forum.  No private consortium is going to float a serious PPP for it because the ROI just isn't there…between the very high construction costs (due to the terrain) and fairly low traffic volumes on a corridor that's really not all that congested.  And VDOT doesn't have the cash flow to fund it themselves.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 08, 2014, 08:17:49 AM
And what exactly is NCDOT's point here .....? This seems silly to relocate only a 16 mile piece of US 220 back to its original alignment IMO. Why either wait until I-73/74 gets completed or else just leave the old road ALT US 220 .....? Not like travelers need more confusion with more sign changes right now, yes .....?

That section was never formally rerouted and approved through AASHTO, while previous sections north were before I-73/I-74 were signed.  Basically, it was a place holder till I-73/I-74 was more complete further north to warrant the huge signage change in 2013.

Here are the various documentations found on NCDOT's website:
NCDOT officially moving US 220 along new freeway, establishing Bypass/Business Routes: https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/1972_11_02.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/1972_11_02.pdf)
NCDOT officially moving US 220 along new freeway, establishing Alternate route:  https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/1979_11_01.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/1979_11_01.pdf)
NCDOT extending US 220 along new freeway, extending Bypass/Business routes: https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/1982_03_01.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/1982_03_01.pdf)
NCDOT establishes I-73/I-74 overlapping US 220: https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/1996_09_20.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/1996_09_20.pdf)
NCDOT getting approval of I-73/I-74 south to Ellerbe: https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2011_07_07.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2011_07_07.pdf)
NCDOT extending I-73/I-74 north: https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2012_07_11.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2012_07_11.pdf)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Tom958 on March 08, 2014, 08:20:55 PM
Narrow shoulders? WTF?
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7303/11719355553_95d585fbab.jpg)

Regarding I-73 in Virginia, the reality is that it's no more than a pipe dream of Roanoke, a few cities in the Carolinas, and a few members of this forum.  No private consortium is going to float a serious PPP for it because the ROI just isn't there…between the very high construction costs (due to the terrain) and fairly low traffic volumes on a corridor that's really not all that congested.  And VDOT doesn't have the cash flow to fund it themselves.

I've never driven it (the Greensboro-Roanoke corridor), but my daughter did on a recent trip from Greensboro to Pennsylvania, and she said, "I liked that part." :)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 08, 2014, 10:28:50 PM
Narrow shoulders? WTF?

Well, technically the grass area is the shoulder; this is common on most freeways built in the last twenty years in the state.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: roadman65 on March 08, 2014, 10:39:19 PM
Yeah, but for interstate standards the shoulders are to be at least 10 feet wide.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: amroad17 on March 08, 2014, 11:24:20 PM
I-73 originally was not supposed to go from Princeton to Roanoke and then down to Greensboro.  It was supposed to follow the route that I-74 is now in NC.  Apparently, some VA lawmakers tweaked the bill to have I-73 go through Roanoke and along US 220 to help the economy in that part of the Commonwealth.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on March 09, 2014, 04:28:55 PM
I-73 originally was not supposed to go from Princeton to Roanoke and then down to Greensboro.  It was supposed to follow the route that I-74 is now in NC.  Apparently, some VA lawmakers tweaked the bill to have I-73 go through Roanoke and along US 220 to help the economy in that part of the Commonwealth.

Isn't the Smart Road in Blacksburg supposed to become part of I-73?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 09, 2014, 04:46:23 PM
I-73 originally was not supposed to go from Princeton to Roanoke and then down to Greensboro.  It was supposed to follow the route that I-74 is now in NC.  Apparently, some VA lawmakers tweaked the bill to have I-73 go through Roanoke and along US 220 to help the economy in that part of the Commonwealth.

Isn't the Smart Road in Blacksburg supposed to become part of I-73?
Yes, though the designation, if not the road itself, is based on I-73 continuing further north into WV and Ohio. It doesn't appear that's likely for a long while, or ever.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 09, 2014, 05:01:05 PM
Isn't the Smart Road in Blacksburg supposed to become part of I-73?
Yes, though the designation, if not the road itself, is based on I-73 continuing further north into WV and Ohio. It doesn't appear that's likely for a long while, or ever.

I believe West Virginia is committed in constructing the King Coal Highway (US 52).  The only problem is that it's West Virginia.  :pan:  There is a lot of mountain to cut through there and not to many politicians eager to throw money at it; heck, there are still US Routes trying to be built in the state.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: amroad17 on March 09, 2014, 09:16:25 PM
As of the near future, I-73 will not go any further north than Roanoke.  The King Coal Highway, whenever it is completed, will be a four-lane divided expressway ala OH 32 in Ohio or US 50 from Parkersburg to Clarksburg.  I-74 in NC will never connect to I-74 in Cincinnati.

With our country's current economic situation, the grand plans of I-73/74 will not ever come to fruition.  We will be left with a partial US 52 freeway between Ironton and Portsmouth, US 23 currently as is, a US 52 upgrade in WV (maybe), no changes in Michigan, and possibly a completed I-73 between Roanoke and Greensboro.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 09, 2014, 09:32:14 PM
I think I-74 will just exist as a 2 separate interstate just like I-76, I-84, I-86, I-88.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on March 28, 2014, 11:20:47 AM
The latest NCDOT Construction Progress Report update on the US 220 (Future I-73) widening project north of Greensboro indicates that the project is seriously behind. While it is projected to be nearly 50% complete at this time, it appears to be less than 30% done. Has anyone checked out the area recently or heard anything about causes for the delays?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: US 41 on March 28, 2014, 05:30:23 PM
I think I-74 should end in Wilmington. Running it down to Myrtle Beach isn't all that good of an idea.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 28, 2014, 10:32:39 PM
I think I-74 should end in Wilmington. Running it down to Myrtle Beach isn't all that good of an idea.

Well, you are not the first person to say that... but, it's still going to Garden City, South Carolina... some day.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on March 30, 2014, 01:30:43 AM
The latest NCDOT Construction Progress Report update on the US 220 (Future I-73) widening project north of Greensboro indicates that the project is seriously behind. While it is projected to be nearly 50% complete at this time, it appears to be less than 30% done. Has anyone checked out the area recently or heard anything about causes for the delays?


I don't know about that section, but I did drove on that section of US 220 south of the proposed connector route, and there was nothing new going on there.. yeah you could say it's seriously behind. I will try to check out the proposed connector area and see if it looks the same as last time I went up there (which is nearly a year) or not.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 04, 2014, 11:38:49 AM
NCDOT received the lowest bid yesterday of $176.55 million for a design/build contract to construct 9.4 miles of I-73 (along with a new airport taxiway bridge) in Guilford County from the PTI Airport to NC 68 and then NC 68 northeast to US 220 near the Haw River from the partnership of Flatiron Construction Inc. & Blythe Development Inc. According to the Item C sheet, work can start on May 14 with the contractors promising completion by April 2017. This project will tie I-73 to the widened US 220 now being constructed north to NC 68 in Rockingham County (given the rate that work's going though, this may not be finished by 2017).

With work on the next segment of the western part of the Greensboro Loop underway and the next eastern segment contract to be bid in September, Greensboro will be a very busy place as far as road construction goes for the next 4 or 5 years.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on April 04, 2014, 12:37:48 PM
With, what seems to be most of the remaining Greensboro work going to bid, when do you think we will start to see significant lettings in Winston-Salem
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on April 04, 2014, 02:39:08 PM
With, what seems to be most of the remaining Greensboro work going to bid, when do you think we will start to see significant lettings in Winston-Salem
Years ago, I read that work on the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway would begin in 2012, and two years later, I haven't heard anything further. Perhaps they're delaying it to 2015 or '17...in my estimate anyway.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 04, 2014, 11:35:00 PM
With, what seems to be most of the remaining Greensboro work going to bid, when do you think we will start to see significant lettings in Winston-Salem
Years ago, I read that work on the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway would begin in 2012, and two years later, I haven't heard anything further. Perhaps they're delaying it to 2015 or '17...in my estimate anyway.
According to the latest NCDOT 12-month tentative letting list, the first segment of the Beltway is to be let this October 21. This is the 3.4 mile segment from Business 40 to US 158. The letting is to be advertised 8 weeks ahead of time, so we should know by late August if the project is to be delayed again.
NCDOT's W-S Northern Beltway Project Page: http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/wsnb/ (http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/wsnb/)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 07, 2014, 05:04:32 PM
NCDOT received the lowest bid yesterday of $176.55 million for a design/build contract to construct 9.4 miles of I-73 (along with a new airport taxiway bridge) in Guilford County from the PTI Airport to NC 68 and then NC 68 northeast to US 220 near the Haw River from the partnership of Flatiron Construction Inc. & Blythe Development Inc. According to the Item C sheet, work can start on May 14 with the contractors promising completion by April 2017. This project will tie I-73 to the widened US 220 now being constructed north to NC 68 in Rockingham County (given the rate that work's going though, this may not be finished by 2017).

With work on the next segment of the western part of the Greensboro Loop underway and the next eastern segment contract to be bid in September, Greensboro will be a very busy place as far as road construction goes for the next 4 or 5 years.



And, yes I can confirm that is correct. There are massive clearings on US 220 between Costwold and Drawbridge to the west. While driving on Horse Pen Creek Rd, there are clearings as well. Yes, the work has already begun on the Loop extension from I-73/Bryan Blvd to US 220.

I am very happy they are starting the I-73 section at the airport area.. I have been wondering when they will start on that section. Thanks for the update, bob7374.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MBHockey13 on April 08, 2014, 01:05:10 PM
Construction underway on Greensboro urban loop

http://myfox8.com/2014/03/27/constuction-underway-on-greensboro-urban-loop/ (http://myfox8.com/2014/03/27/constuction-underway-on-greensboro-urban-loop/)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 11, 2014, 08:09:41 PM
NCDOT received the lowest bid yesterday of $176.55 million for a design/build contract to construct 9.4 miles of I-73 (along with a new airport taxiway bridge) in Guilford County from the PTI Airport to NC 68 and then NC 68 northeast to US 220 near the Haw River from the partnership of Flatiron Construction Inc. & Blythe Development Inc. According to the Item C sheet, work can start on May 14 with the contractors promising completion by April 2017. This project will tie I-73 to the widened US 220 now being constructed north to NC 68 in Rockingham County (given the rate that work's going though, this may not be finished by 2017).

With work on the next segment of the western part of the Greensboro Loop underway and the next eastern segment contract to be bid in September, Greensboro will be a very busy place as far as road construction goes for the next 4 or 5 years.




Update: I just stopped by the area where US 220 is being widened to NC 68 in Rockingham County. I can confirm that the project seems to be very behind (due to bipolar weather, I am sure). The roadbed is still there, but only on southbound direction that is visible and the ramp from future I-73 south roadbed to US 220 south roadbed is also visible. The northbound direction shows a little roadbed, but not as visible as the southbound one. But, the bridges (the one US 220 South ramp will across the I-73 roadbed, the Haw River bridges: 2 out of 3) are nearly completion. There are still heavy clearing north of US 158 interchange.

There is also a frontage road being built to the left of future I-73 lanes south of US 158 interchange, and the ones are being paved north of the interchange, near NC 65 intersection.

They are starting to work on the US 158 interchange, but nothing visible yet. However, the only obvious work was being done on NC 65 interchange where they are building bridge piers. But nothing else to report. As bob7374 mentioned, the project is behind in schedule.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 23, 2014, 10:25:13 AM
NCDOT Division 9 has now posted the advertisement for the contract that will place I-74 shields along US 311 east of Exit 65, mostly in Forsyth County. According to the contract specifications, new I-74 signs will be placed also along I-40 west of US 311 to the US 52/US 311 North exit in Winston-Salem. The letting date is May 14.

The advertisement is on the NCDOT Division Letting website:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=9&let_date=2014-05-14%2000:00:00 (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=9&let_date=2014-05-14%2000:00:00)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on April 23, 2014, 11:41:47 AM
Slightly off topic, but is exit 111B (Liberty Street) officially closed, along US 52/NC 8 North? 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 23, 2014, 09:33:17 PM
NCDOT Division 9 has now posted the advertisement for the contract that will place I-74 shields along US 311 east of Exit 65, mostly in Forsyth County. According to the contract specifications, new I-74 signs will be placed also along I-40 west of US 311 to the US 52/US 311 North exit in Winston-Salem. The letting date is May 14.

The advertisement is on the NCDOT Division Letting website:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=9&let_date=2014-05-14%2000:00:00 (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=9&let_date=2014-05-14%2000:00:00)




Does that mean... I-74 will begin at the I-40/US 52 interchange? or are they going to put up temporary I-74 shields?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on April 23, 2014, 09:39:56 PM
Does that mean... I-74 will begin at the I-40/US 52 interchange? or are they going to put up temporary I-74 shields?

Nope, they are signing there "To I-74" there, to help steer drivers towards I-74., no temp shields.  I-74 ends at I-40 interchange... for now.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on April 23, 2014, 10:14:25 PM
Oh i see.. gotcha. Makes sense to just put "To I-74" along I-40. Probably better idea to put them along US 52 as well.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 25, 2014, 09:40:03 PM
Oh i see.. gotcha. Makes sense to just put "To I-74" along I-40. Probably better idea to put them along US 52 as well.
Agreed. They should use this opportunity to place 'To I-74' signs along the length of US 52 to Mt. Airy to get drivers used to the future interstate designation and, while there at it, why not move the US 52 upgrade project to the funded category.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on April 25, 2014, 09:51:34 PM
It'll be forever before King and Pilot Mtn see "official" I-74, but then again I am impressed to see signs drawn up for Winston city limits, so anything can happen I guess LOL.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on May 05, 2014, 10:40:14 AM
NCDOT Division 9 has now posted the advertisement for the contract that will place I-74 shields along US 311 east of Exit 65, mostly in Forsyth County. According to the contract specifications, new I-74 signs will be placed also along I-40 west of US 311 to the US 52/US 311 North exit in Winston-Salem. The letting date is May 14.

The advertisement is on the NCDOT Division Letting website:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=9&let_date=2014-05-14%2000:00:00 (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=9&let_date=2014-05-14%2000:00:00)


Hey Bob, random thought. I remember the sign plans a while back for the current Union Cross Road project from I-40 to I-74/US 311. At the southern end with its intersection with I-74/US 311 the plans only had US 311.

Maybe they thought I-74 wouldn't be signed in time to put it in the letting plans, or they could change it?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 05, 2014, 06:57:04 PM
I think that one of the original plans for the W-S beltway was to intersect US 311 just east of Union Cross Rd before ultimately decided to have the beltway intersect US 311 between Ridgewood and Union Cross Rds. I might be wrong, but other than that.. I have no idea. Maybe Bob knows.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 05, 2014, 10:52:24 PM
NCDOT Division 9 has now posted the advertisement for the contract that will place I-74 shields along US 311 east of Exit 65, mostly in Forsyth County. According to the contract specifications, new I-74 signs will be placed also along I-40 west of US 311 to the US 52/US 311 North exit in Winston-Salem. The letting date is May 14.

The advertisement is on the NCDOT Division Letting website:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=9&let_date=2014-05-14%2000:00:00 (https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/Pages/Letting-Details.aspx?let_type=9&let_date=2014-05-14%2000:00:00)

Hey Bob, random thought. I remember the sign plans a while back for the current Union Cross Road project from I-40 to I-74/US 311. At the southern end with its intersection with I-74/US 311 the plans only had US 311.

Maybe they thought I-74 wouldn't be signed in time to put it in the letting plans, or they could change it?
The Union Cross Rd project plans were created in 2011 before the approval to have I-74 signed along US 311 (only the title page map includes a Future I-74 sign along US 311). The plans called for not typical trailblazers but green signs with the US 311 shield and destinations. Its possible in the year since I-74 was approved the sign designs have been modified to include I-74 as well. Meanwhile, the contract to place I-74 signs along US 311 is to be let next Wednesday (5/14). Also, the bid for the contract to build I-73 from PTI Airport to US 220 has been accepted by NCDOT. Work can begin this Wednesday (5/7) with a completion date set for April 2017.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 06, 2014, 04:45:48 PM
Contract for I-74 signage in Guilford/Forsyth counties awarded and scheduled to be done by Mid-November. Contract # DI00053 via NC DOT
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 07, 2014, 11:42:35 AM
Contract for I-74 signage in Guilford/Forsyth counties awarded and scheduled to be done by Mid-November. Contract # DI00053 via NC DOT
Good news. But, given that the contract is for only $79,000, and is creating and installing less than 20 signs, and the contractor could start on June 2, you would hope it wouldn't take until November to finish, unless they are only paying a couple people to do it.  :-/
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 07, 2014, 11:46:32 AM
Contract for I-74 signage in Guilford/Forsyth counties awarded and scheduled to be done by Mid-November. Contract # DI00053 via NC DOT
Good news. But, given that the contract is for only $79,000, and is creating and installing less than 20 signs, and the contractor could start on June 2, you would hope it wouldn't take until November to finish, unless they are only paying a couple people to do it.  :-/

I am hopeful it won't take until November as well, for the reasons you stated in (lack of) size and (lack of) expense. I am going to be in W-S next week, hopeful that I can picture somethin for ya.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on June 09, 2014, 03:19:07 PM
http://www.journalnow.com/news/local/beltway-business-projects-rank-high-on-regional-scale-but-some/article_980fae8d-e37a-5462-9dd9-87ee4dc9f526.html


Possible $$$ to come from the regional pot for almost 3/4ths of the I-74/WS Northern Belt...and maybe an x74 or x73 to/from PTI???
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 18, 2014, 08:58:48 PM
Speaking of I-73 in the PTI Airport area, NCDOT announced today that work will get underway officially on the NC 68-US 220 Connector (Future I-73) project later this month:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=9991 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=9991)
Several design changes, according to the press release, will help complete the highway sooner than first thought, tentatively set for April 2017.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on July 14, 2014, 10:37:19 AM
Anyone in the Winston-Salem/Triad area spotted any progress on the I-74 signing project from Main St HP to I-40?? (TIP # I-5511). Just curious...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 14, 2014, 06:55:43 PM
I haven't been to that area in a long awhile. I know the signage project should have started by now. Maybe someone who lives in that W-S/H-P area can let us know?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 14, 2014, 10:57:22 PM
Anyone in the Winston-Salem/Triad area spotted any progress on the I-74 signing project from Main St HP to I-40?? (TIP # I-5511). Just curious...
Neither the NCDOT Construction Progress Report nor the TIMS traffic advisory map for the Triad Region indicate that construction has started on the I-74 contract. Looks like the contractor is taking their time on this one.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 18, 2014, 07:29:13 PM
I can now confirm that the I-74 signage in Forsyth County is nearly complete. There are changes on the overhead signage that now reads "I-74 EAST, US 311 SOUTH, HIGH POINT on both directions of I-40. I also managed to drive on I-74/US 311 and there are no more "FUTURE I-74/US 311" shields along the road. Somebody needs to go out there and take some photos.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 18, 2014, 11:03:12 PM
I can now confirm that the I-74 signage in Forsyth County is nearly complete. There are changes on the overhead signage that now reads "I-74 EAST, US 311 SOUTH, HIGH POINT on both directions of I-40. I also managed to drive on I-74/US 311 and there are no more "FUTURE I-74/US 311" shields along the road. Somebody needs to go out there and take some photos.

Thanks for posting about the signage change.  I've now updated OSM (https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24848200) with this info. :)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: I94RoadRunner on August 19, 2014, 08:16:58 PM
Well, I have a more positive feeling with the I-73/I-74 multiplex; in fact I traveled on it from Greensboro, NC to Ellerbe in 2007. I see what the feds are trying to do, but is US 52 in West Virginia from Huntington to Bluefield so congested that I-73/I-74 have to go through there? I also wonder why Ohio gave up on it. I think US 23 from the Ohio River to Findley, OH should be an interstate corridor. I really think I-73 should be on the US 29 corridor from Greensboro to Washington as a good alternate to I-95. Has the NCDOT decided on what to do with US 74?

US 29 from Greensboro to Danville, VA is going to become I-785 some year. The remainder of US 29 north to Baltimore was proposed as an I-83 extension awhile ago. I-83 was thought of to follow the beltline instead of going through the city and then pick up the US 29 corridor just outside down to Greensboro. There are no active plans for this I-83 extension right now that I am aware of.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 20, 2014, 11:05:23 PM
I can now confirm that the I-74 signage in Forsyth County is nearly complete. There are changes on the overhead signage that now reads "I-74 EAST, US 311 SOUTH, HIGH POINT on both directions of I-40. I also managed to drive on I-74/US 311 and there are no more "FUTURE I-74/US 311" shields along the road. Somebody needs to go out there and take some photos.

Given the eyewitness reports, and a couple photos, I have updated my I-74 pages to declare the signing project in Forsyth County complete, before NCDOT confirmation. I have added the photos of the new signage to my I-74 Segment 5 Page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg5.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg5.html) and hope to post more soon.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 23, 2014, 02:31:10 PM
Future I-74 signing plans have been released by NCDOT as part of the materials released for the letting of the first phase of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway project. The link is available at this page under Other Plans, Part III, the sign plans start a few pages in:
http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/dsplan/2014%20Highway%20Letting/10-21-14/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Forsyth%20U-2579B%20C203484%20%20E-Project/ (http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/dsplan/2014%20Highway%20Letting/10-21-14/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Forsyth%20U-2579B%20C203484%20%20E-Project/)

From looking through the plans I have gleaned the following info:
1. The Beltway segment will be signed from Business 40/US 421 as Exit 12 NC 74 to US 158 initially.
2. The new exit numbers on the Beltway will be 53A/B for Business 40 and 50 for US 158 (one of the plans also has signs for the next segment to US 311, that will be Exit 49). As an aside, do you think NCDOT would be tempted to re-route (if they don't decommission) US 311 along the Beltway between the existing route and Exit 49 when the Loop is completed?
3. The plans show the initial and future signage for both Business 40 and US 158, the future signs having I-74 shields. Since the initial westbound only signs along Business 40 have NC 74 shields, this implies the route will be signed as I-74 when the segment east to I-40 is completed.
4. The eventual control cities for the completed Beltway will be, not surprisingly, High Point eastbound and Mt Airy westbound.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on August 23, 2014, 09:37:13 PM
2. The new exit numbers on the Beltway will be 53A/B for Business 40 and 50 for US 158 (one of the plans also has signs for the next segment to US 311, that will be Exit 49). As an aside, do you think NCDOT would be tempted to re-route (if they don't decommission) US 311 along the Beltway between the existing route and Exit 49 when the Loop is completed?

Answer is no.  On the STI Project list, there is project #H090541, which is called the US 311 connector.  The plans call for a four-lane divided partial-control highway continuing north from I-40 exit 196 to I-40 Bus/US 421/US 158 exit 8.  Here's the link:  https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIResults/H090541.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIResults/H090541.pdf)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 23, 2014, 10:21:21 PM
2. The new exit numbers on the Beltway will be 53A/B for Business 40 and 50 for US 158 (one of the plans also has signs for the next segment to US 311, that will be Exit 49). As an aside, do you think NCDOT would be tempted to re-route (if they don't decommission) US 311 along the Beltway between the existing route and Exit 49 when the Loop is completed?

Answer is no.  On the STI Project list, there is project #H090541, which is called the US 311 connector.  The plans call for a four-lane divided partial-control highway continuing north from I-40 exit 196 to I-40 Bus/US 421/US 158 exit 8.  Here's the link:  https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIResults/H090541.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIResults/H090541.pdf)
You may be right. But, given that the 311 project, as ranked by the new NCDOT formula, gets a 0.00 divisional needs ranking, and is not meriting a regional or a statewide mobility ranking at all, it seems unlikely it will be built any time soon, especially with the much of the money for the are in the meantime going to the Beltway.   
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on August 23, 2014, 10:27:55 PM
2. The new exit numbers on the Beltway will be 53A/B for Business 40 and 50 for US 158 (one of the plans also has signs for the next segment to US 311, that will be Exit 49). As an aside, do you think NCDOT would be tempted to re-route (if they don't decommission) US 311 along the Beltway between the existing route and Exit 49 when the Loop is completed?
Answer is no.  On the STI Project list, there is project #H090541, which is called the US 311 connector.  The plans call for a four-lane divided partial-control highway continuing north from I-40 exit 196 to I-40 Bus/US 421/US 158 exit 8.  Here's the link:  https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIResults/H090541.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIResults/H090541.pdf)
You may be right. But, given that the 311 project, as ranked by the new NCDOT formula, gets a 0.00 divisional needs ranking, and is not meriting a regional or a statewide mobility ranking at all, it seems unlikely it will be built any time soon, especially with the much of the money for the are in the meantime going to the Beltway.

Yea, but its going to be several years for the section of I-74 to be done; and even if it is done before the connector project is built, I don't see them moving it over onto I-74 then later moving it to the connector when its finally built.  I also think AASHTO wouldn't approve the new routing if they were to go ahead and move it onto I-74, because it would be a better route than the connector; while the connector is a better routing than the current crap routing it has now through Winston-Salem.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 24, 2014, 02:35:25 AM
I looked at the signage plans.. it is odd that they doesn't include NC 150 in the signage plans (NC 150 is now concurrent with Business 40 and US 421 from Exit 14 to Exit 5). Seems like they might be planning to move NC 150 back to the old road? (NC 150 used to run along Main St *Exit 14 off Bus 40* into Winston Salem before being rerouted along Bus 40/US 421 back in like 1990s or something like that)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 24, 2014, 11:15:36 PM
I looked at the signage plans.. it is odd that they doesn't include NC 150 in the signage plans (NC 150 is now concurrent with Business 40 and US 421 from Exit 14 to Exit 5). Seems like they might be planning to move NC 150 back to the old road? (NC 150 used to run along Main St *Exit 14 off Bus 40* into Winston Salem before being rerouted along Bus 40/US 421 back in like 1990s or something like that)
NCDOT may be just restricting the BGSs to two major routes only, like the current policy by MassDOT. The plans for the signage to be placed along Business 40 do include NC 150 shields as shown in one of the plans:
(http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4wsbpl16.jpg)

I have posted this and several other sign plans on my I-74 Segment 4 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on August 24, 2014, 11:44:22 PM
Bob, on your segment 4 page, towards the middle, you still say that I-285 will be signed this year once the improvements to US 52 are completed. Is that still accurate, or unchanged from your last update on that page? Just curious...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 25, 2014, 12:48:08 AM
I looked at the signage plans.. it is odd that they doesn't include NC 150 in the signage plans (NC 150 is now concurrent with Business 40 and US 421 from Exit 14 to Exit 5). Seems like they might be planning to move NC 150 back to the old road? (NC 150 used to run along Main St *Exit 14 off Bus 40* into Winston Salem before being rerouted along Bus 40/US 421 back in like 1990s or something like that)
NCDOT may be just restricting the BGSs to two major routes only, like the current policy by MassDOT. The plans for the signage to be placed along Business 40 do include NC 150 shields as shown in one of the plans:
(http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4wsbpl16.jpg)

I have posted this and several other sign plans on my I-74 Segment 4 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html)

Maybe you're right, who knows.

Fixed quote. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 26, 2014, 08:29:10 PM
On the I-74 related news, On I-40 on the way to Winston-Salem, there is a "TO I-74, EXIT 193B" signage already in place (near US 52 interchange, of course).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on August 26, 2014, 08:52:07 PM
So NCDOT reports the project is only 60 something pct completed. So if all the signs are up, what's left? Lol
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 27, 2014, 11:32:40 AM
So NCDOT reports the project is only 60 something pct completed. So if all the signs are up, what's left? Lol
Good question. I don't suppose the contractor would give back any extra project funds they may get. There is one overhead in Guilford County on West I-74 before Exit 65, perhaps that's not up yet. Also some of the money may be going toward installation of trailblazer signage at the on-ramps, even if it was not specified in the signage plans.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on August 27, 2014, 11:36:13 AM
So NCDOT reports the project is only 60 something pct completed. So if all the signs are up, what's left? Lol
Good question. I don't suppose the contractor would give back any extra project funds they may get. There is one overhead in Guilford County on West I-74 before Exit 65, perhaps that's not up yet. Also some of the money may be going toward installation of trailblazer signage at the on-ramps, even if it was not specified in the signage plans.


It won't add much to my trip, I'll swing through on my way to Atlanta (via Winston-Salem night stayover) to see if that sign is up.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 27, 2014, 06:46:52 PM
So NCDOT reports the project is only 60 something pct completed. So if all the signs are up, what's left? Lol
Good question. I don't suppose the contractor would give back any extra project funds they may get. There is one overhead in Guilford County on West I-74 before Exit 65, perhaps that's not up yet. Also some of the money may be going toward installation of trailblazer signage at the on-ramps, even if it was not specified in the signage plans.



I think that might be it because the other time I drove on I-74 and took an exit off Union Cross Rd, there is no I-74 trailblazer signage on/off the ramp. That's probably why it is 60% complete, but other than that.. I don't know.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MBHockey13 on August 29, 2014, 09:08:26 AM
So, NC was pre-mature:

http://www.news-record.com/news/i--designation-a-mix-up-in-forsyth-county-but/article_6524f0c0-2f78-11e4-a9eb-001a4bcf6878.html

"I-74 designation a 'mix-up' in Forsyth County, but will stay

Wesley Young Winston-Salem Journal | Posted: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:31 am

New signs have been erected indicating that U.S. 311 between Winston-Salem and High Point is part of Interstate 74, but it appears that federal officials made a mistake when they made the designation.

The designation will remain, and state officials have agreed to upgrade the road in the future.

The new signs show I-74 and U.S. 311 peeling off from Interstate 40 on the southeast side of Winston-Salem. The new section of I-74 doesn’t meet interstate standards until it gets to Guilford County, in part because it lacks the wide shoulders that interstate highways have for emergency stopping.

A letter in the online files of the N.C. Department of Transportation shows that federal highway officials believed the Forsyth County portion of the highway did meet interstate standards when they granting the road’s addition to the interstate system:

“Our North Carolina Division Office confirms U.S. 311 from I-40 to S.R. 1993 [Main Street in High Point] … has been completed to Interstate standards and meets a statutory requirement by connecting to existing I-40,” wrote Victor Mendez, the U.S. deputy secretary of transportation and administrator of the Federal Highway Administration in a letter to the N.C. Department of Transportation dated Oct. 4, 2012.

Mendez was referring to the N.C. Division Office of the Federal Highway Administration in North Carolina, not any of the N.C. Department of Transportation offices.
State officials said the designation has been allowed to stand even though the road lacks shoulders of the proper width.
A spokesman for the Federal Highway Administration had no specifics on how the mix-up occurred, but confirmed what state officials are saying: North Carolina will eventually bring the section of roadway up to interstate standards. The I-74 designation will remain.

“It is clearly an oversight and the state is committed to making things right, and that’s as far as it goes,” said Doug Hecox, a spokesman for the Federal Highway Administration.
No timetable has been set for adding the shoulders that section of I-74 needs, said Kevin Lacy, the state’s traffic engineer.

“We have agreed to bring those shoulders up to standards when we rebuild the roadway,” Lacy said. “You have to have a minimum of 10 feet on the right and four feet on the left shoulder. We do not have a project identified to put shoulders on that road. Whenever we rebuild that road we will have to add shoulders.”
The designation is significant because it makes the road eligible for federal maintenance money, and increases the state’s interstate mileage by about 10 more miles than it would otherwise have been. That mileage in turn increases the money the state receives for interstate maintenance under the fund-apportionment formula.
The state had intended all along to eventually make U.S. 311 part of I-74.

The designation came after an exchange of letters between state and federal highway officials that started in 2011. On Jan. 6, 2011, State Highway Administrator Terry Gibson wrote to John Sullivan III, the division administrator for the Federal Highway Administration in North Carolina, requesting interstate designation for a different segment of highway.

That letter requested that the new High Point East Belt — U.S. 311 east of the Main Street exit in High Point — become part of I-74, and that the segment of U.S. 311 from Main Street to I-40 “be added to the Interstate system as a Future Interstate, a distance of 10.17 miles.”
The letter noted that the new beltway around High Point and to points east “was recently completed to Interstate standards and open to traffic. The proposed I-74 route is a controlled access, divided, multi-lane freeway on a new location.”

Lacy sent a follow-up letter on March 15, 2012, in which he repeated the request for adding road segments to “I-74 and future I-74.”

Lacy goes on to mention that the “requested sections of I-74 were built to Interstate Standards at the time of construction.”

When asked if the references to “sections” — in the plural — may have led to some of the confusion, Lacy said that’s possible. A little later in the letter Lacy does refer to “the above referenced section” — in the singular — to refer the part of the road east of the Forsyth County segment that meets most interstate standards.
“I can’t tell you the source of the confusion other than to speculate,” Lacy said, commenting on his letter. “If that was part of it, it was by no means intentional.”

I-74 in North Carolina currently exists in a number of segments that are connected by noninterstate roadways. In the north, I-74 peels off from I-77 south of the Virginia line and carries traffic to U.S. 52 near Mount Airy. When the Northern Beltway is build around the east side of Winston-Salem it will be part of I-74 linking to the newly designated portion that runs along with U.S. 311 to High Point.

Past High Point, newer sections of I-74 connect to Asheboro, where I-74 joins I-73 heading south toward Rockingham. From there to its eventual ending point near Myrtle Beach, S.C., I-74 exists only as a stretch of freeway from Rockingham to Lumberton.

Lacy said Monday that it is “extremely rare” for the Federal Highway Administration to admit a section of highway into the interstate system without adequate shoulders.
“We did not ask for it at that time, but we were extremely appreciative,” Lacy said. “Prior to us doing anything and announcing it, we followed up with the Federal Highway Administration and said we wanted to be clear. We verified that … yes, there was a mixup somewhere. They asked us to send a letter saying that we would bring the shoulders up to standard.”

Lacy said that if there was an error, “it was in citizens of North Carolina’s favor” because of the benefits flowing from the designation. He said that it is possible the federal authorities could have rescinded the designation.

“Some people may classify this as a mistake,” Lacy said. “They gave us a rare exception, and it is a gift.”:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on August 29, 2014, 09:27:31 AM
This article is a complete joke. It was always known (if the paper did the proper research) that the Forsyth Co. portion would be an allowed exception and thus the signing project planned. This article is about 2 years late.

It's not like NCDOT "got one by" the Feds, the Feds told them they could do it as long as they repaired the shoulders in a future project.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on August 29, 2014, 10:10:37 AM
This is from Robert Malme's I-74/73 website (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/index.html) Segment 5 (S.E. Forsyth county portion of now official I-74) that proves my point...

"In their response in October the FHWA indicated that, while the engineer's findings showed that not all of US 311 in Forsyth County was up to interstate standards (shoulders were too narrow), NCDOT would be allowed to sign the route from I-40 east (including the East Belt freeway (see I-74 Segment 6) to the freeway's current end at Cedar Square Road, a total of 22.1 miles) as I-74.(5) NCDOT agreed in turn to finance a project to bring US 311 in Forsyth up to standards at a later date."
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 25, 2014, 10:30:23 PM
NCDOT released their latest Mobility Fund scores for regional and division projects that will be used to help determine what contracts are let over the next 10 years. A link to the press release, which has links to the scores is here:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10335 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10335)

The scores are not very good news for proposed I-73/I-74 projects. None of the projects have a score higher than 43.5 out of 100 for state mobility (and that is for the Winston-Salem Beltway, which future segments north of US 158 were unfunded by the previous formula score), nor over 35.2 out 70 for regional impact (also the Beltway), nor 21.6 out of 50 for Division needs (Beltway). The next scheduled project, the completion of the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass is scored 8.8 statewide, 8.4 region, and 4.3 division.

Some good news is that several long-proposed projects are now being considered, including the upgrade of US 220 to interstate standards north to the VA line (highest rank, region 19 out of 70), upgrading US 74 between NC 41 and Whiteville (highest rank, region 13.2), building an 'Alt. I-74' from I-140 to US 17 near Supply (highest rank, state 15.3) (this ranks slightly higher than the official I-74 route from Whiteville to US 17), building the Carolina Bays Parkway Extension from US 17 to the SC line (highest rank, state, 31.8), plus there's an entry for building the Winston-Salem Beltway segments as toll facilities, this has a slightly higher score than the existing Beltway projects, state mobility of 44.1 vs. 43.5. It does appear, for now, if the formulas are not played with, that it will be a long time before a great many of these projects are completed.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on September 26, 2014, 12:01:02 AM
That's why the State's mobility fund scores is a joke. The Western Rockingham bypass is already funded, and it is partially under construction right now. I think this may have to do with SCDOT not building their part of I-73 just yet (lack of funds, i hear).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: I94RoadRunner on September 26, 2014, 03:32:29 AM
The Rockingham I-73/74 bypass is under construction .....? I thought I heard that nothing until at least 2018 for this project .....?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on September 26, 2014, 09:39:44 AM
The Rockingham I-73/74 bypass is under construction .....? I thought I heard that nothing until at least 2018 for this project .....?



Not the actual bypass itself (that's in 2018). I am talking about the part near the end of southern temporary end of I-73/74 at US 220 (exit 25) is partially under construction.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on September 29, 2014, 09:29:32 AM
This is why the Governor wants to get a billion dollars as a kickstarter for the rural highway projects that are simply not going to score well on the newer system.  If approved, some on the list of projects includes making all of US 74 (east of Asheville) to Interstate standards, completing the Rockingham Bypass and Winston-Salem Northern Loop.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: english si on September 29, 2014, 02:02:41 PM
all of US 74 (west of Asheville) to Interstate standards
West of Asheville?

I'm guessing they are going to solve the I-74/US74 problem by extending I-24 across the state.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on September 29, 2014, 02:19:03 PM
all of US 74 (west of Asheville) to Interstate standards
West of Asheville?

I'm guessing they are going to solve the I-74/US74 problem by extending I-24 across the state.

Opps, corrected, meant east; so no I-24 extension.   :spin:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Revive 755 on September 29, 2014, 08:16:58 PM
I'm guessing they are going to solve the I-74/US74 problem by extending I-24 across the state.

Wouldn't have surprised me at all, given all the other ideas North Carolina's had.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Nature Boy on September 30, 2014, 12:13:25 AM
To be fair, extending I-24 across the state to Wilmington would be smarter than what they're currently doing. That's not saying much though.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on September 30, 2014, 01:29:09 PM
To be fair, extending I-24 across the state to Wilmington would be smarter than what they're currently doing. That's not saying much though.




I would extend I-24 east to end at I-26 instead of extending to Wilmington. I don't get the I-73/74 hate and quite frankly, I don't care. new interstates are going to get built and are given numbers whether we like it or not. While I don't like the I-74 routing in NC, it is already chosen. At least North Carolina took a lead and do their sections of I-73/74. If it doesn't even go outside North Carolina for a long awhile, it will still eventually be connected to major interstates (I-77, I-85, I-40, I-95).

I also think that I-73 has more chance to be extended outside North Carolina than I-74 does, however.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 07, 2014, 10:50:51 AM
NCDOT has awarded the contract to build the first segment of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway, Eastern Section (I-74). Construction could start as early as next month:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10485 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10485)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: DeaconG on November 07, 2014, 11:42:58 AM
NCDOT has awarded the contract to build the first segment of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway, Eastern Section (I-74). Construction could start as early as next month:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10485 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10485)

Excellent! How long was this project stalled? 20-25 years?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on November 07, 2014, 11:47:03 AM

Excellent! How long was this project stalled? 20-25 years?
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Just about. I think the W-S Journal article said it should've originally been built *by* early 2000s. As a W-S native, it has been talked about since I was in diapers. (Early 80s)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 14, 2014, 10:25:47 PM
The governor and other state and local officials took part in the ceremonial groundbreaking for the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway project earlier today. Read all about it in the official press release:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10498 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10498)

Work on this first segment could start as early as December. Completion is set for late 2018.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MikeSantNY78 on November 14, 2014, 10:34:40 PM
The governor and other state and local officials took part in the ceremonial groundbreaking for the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway project earlier today. Read all about it in the official press release:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10498 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10498)

Work on this first segment could start as early as December. Completion is set for late 2018.
So (based on the wording of the presser), looks like they're starting on the SW side of the loop (per the map at NCDOT).  Any idea when they'll get to the part that Actually Involves I-74?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on November 14, 2014, 11:25:16 PM
The governor and other state and local officials took part in the ceremonial groundbreaking for the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway project earlier today. Read all about it in the official press release:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10498 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10498)

Work on this first segment could start as early as December. Completion is set for late 2018.
So (based on the wording of the presser), looks like they're starting on the SW side of the loop (per the map at NCDOT).  Any idea when they'll get to the part that Actually Involves I-74?

You read it wrong.  The first section is east of Winston-Salem, between Walkertown (US 158) and Kernersville (I-40 Bus/US 421/NC 150).  This section will be part of I-74, eventually.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 13, 2014, 01:23:08 PM
The governor and other state and local officials took part in the ceremonial groundbreaking for the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway project earlier today. Read all about it in the official press release:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10498 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=10498)

Work on this first segment could start as early as December. Completion is set for late 2018.
So (based on the wording of the presser), looks like they're starting on the SW side of the loop (per the map at NCDOT).  Any idea when they'll get to the part that Actually Involves I-74?

You read it wrong.  The first section is east of Winston-Salem, between Walkertown (US 158) and Kernersville (I-40 Bus/US 421/NC 150).  This section will be part of I-74, eventually.
Work started on the segment this past Tuesday, December 10. The new Draft 2016-2025 STIP (State Transportation Improvement Program) document will fund 3 more additional segments of the W-S Beltway. The next segment to the north/west, 1.4 miles from US 158 to US 311/Walkertown Road, as a design build contract in 2018, and two segments that will connect the two then completed segments 5.8 miles back east/south across I-40 to I-74/US 311. These are to start in 2022.

Information taken from this article:
http://www.journalnow.com/eedition/mapping/roads-get-green-light/article_0931d47e-bcec-58fe-a0f5-68d5591d0e83.html (http://www.journalnow.com/eedition/mapping/roads-get-green-light/article_0931d47e-bcec-58fe-a0f5-68d5591d0e83.html)
and placed on my I-74 Segment 4 Page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 28, 2014, 01:14:37 PM
A news from the Greensboro resident: I drove by US 220 north near Summerfield to visit a friend and checked the progress on the US 220 widening. Here is the report:

The US 220 widening is still behind in schedule. Some locations have road that is already paved, while some gradings are left. (no traffic shift yet) However, when I went to the section where US 220 will meet Future US 220/NC 68 connector, traffic is already shifted to cross the bridges and is now on the future I-73 southbound lanes, including the ramp US 220 south is going to take to cross I-73. The original road that US 220 used to go through on the right is already demolished to make a room for future I-73 northbound lanes (they're building the bridge there as well). A frontage road is already built to access the gas station on the right that is being separated due to work on I-73 northbound lanes. The US 158 interchange is halfway completed (only southbound, since they re working on building the second span for northbound lanes). After US 158 interchange, traffic shifted to the future I-73 northbound lanes and the NC 65 interchange is halfway completed (only northbound, since they are building the connecting bridge for southbound lanes) Immediately after NC 65 interchange, traffic shifted back to original roadway northwards. No work is on the complicated NC 68/US 220 intersection, however.

I didn't take a picture of the section because I was in a hurry. Hopefully I can do that when I travel down the road again in the future.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 03, 2015, 10:14:48 PM
I have written my annual I-73/I-74 in NC Year in Review as this blog post:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2014/12/i-73i-74-in-nc-year-in-review-2014.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2014/12/i-73i-74-in-nc-year-in-review-2014.html)

Hopefully, I will able to get down to NC to check all of it out in person sometime this year.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 08, 2015, 10:30:57 PM
Thanks to the efforts of Strider, I have posted photos on my I-73/I-74 site of the construction currently going on along US 220 north of Greensboro to turn that highway into I-73. Here's one of them at the future NC 65 interchange:

(http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2115dw13.jpg)

Feel free to visit my I-73 Segment 2 page to see the rest:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on January 09, 2015, 12:09:32 PM
At least it's a good thing that the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway is finally starting to take shape, and also that I-74 further south/east could be completed in conjunction with an Interstate-grade facility along US 74 to Charlotte and points west. (I-34, anyone?)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on January 09, 2015, 04:43:16 PM
At least it's a good thing that the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway is finally starting to take shape, and also that I-74 further south/east could be completed in conjunction with an Interstate-grade facility along US 74 to Charlotte and points west. (I-34, anyone?)

I say I-36, since that number isn't in use.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 10, 2015, 01:25:34 PM
GSV has been updated its images along I-40 East through Winston-Salem to September 2014, allowing you to view the new I-74 signs put up last summer. Here's the one mile advance: https://goo.gl/maps/mphO7 (https://goo.gl/maps/mphO7)

Unfortunately, you can only see the new I-74 signs on I-40 WB through looking in reverse, since those views date from May 2014, and the last time Google traveled US 311 to High Point was in 2012.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mileage Mike on April 16, 2015, 10:53:05 AM
Has there been any decision made on the final routing of I-74 in NC?  If it doesn't go to Wilmington and indeed does curve back in the opposite direction towards SC, then it along with I-73 could have the most awkward and useless routing of all NC interstates.  Plus sending it to Wilmington would go a long way towards NC's long term goal of finally having that continuous interstate connection between Asheville, Charlotte, and Wilmington.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on April 16, 2015, 12:36:34 PM
Has there been any decision made on the final routing of I-74 in NC?  If it doesn't go to Wilmington and indeed does curve back in the opposite direction towards SC, then it along with I-73 could have the most awkward and useless routing of all NC interstates.  Plus sending it to Wilmington would go a long way towards NC's long term goal of finally having that continuous interstate connection between Asheville, Charlotte, and Wilmington.
Most likely, there'll never be an agreement on the last leg of I-74. And the I-20 extension is not happening either, so Wilmington is most likely the odd man out. But it would be nice to have another 2di serve that area, in addition to I-40, even if that 2di is not I-74. Which is yet another reason to build that Asheville-Charlotte-Wilmington Interstate...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on April 17, 2015, 06:43:40 PM
I agree -- the I-74 connection to SC will never be built. The most NC will be interested in is some kind of connection between SC 31 and US 17 north in NC. The Asheville-Charlotte-Wilmington corridor is high-priority and having an interstate all the way across makes a lot of sense. As for that orphan section of I-74 from I-73 to I-77 through Winston-Salem, it's more N-S than E-W. How about making it I-79?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on April 17, 2015, 07:44:40 PM
As for that orphan section of I-74 from I-73 to I-77 through Winston-Salem, it's more N-S than E-W. How about making it I-79?

I don't see a reason to change I-74 to I-79 despite the idea the state would abandon the route, which they haven't by the way.  Also, I-79 already exists and would be worse than the I-74 concurrency.

Hopefully the transportation bond proposed gets approved, then I-74 will be sped-up in completion in the state.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Nature Boy on April 18, 2015, 12:47:33 AM
Has there been any decision made on the final routing of I-74 in NC?  If it doesn't go to Wilmington and indeed does curve back in the opposite direction towards SC, then it along with I-73 could have the most awkward and useless routing of all NC interstates.  Plus sending it to Wilmington would go a long way towards NC's long term goal of finally having that continuous interstate connection between Asheville, Charlotte, and Wilmington.
Most likely, there'll never be an agreement on the last leg of I-74. And the I-20 extension is not happening either, so Wilmington is most likely the odd man out. But it would be nice to have another 2di serve that area, in addition to I-40, even if that 2di is not I-74. Which is yet another reason to build that Asheville-Charlotte-Wilmington Interstate...

There's no bigger fan of the Asheville - Charlotte - Wilmington interstate than me, but it seems that the legislature couldn't care less about it. THAT should be priority #1, not this I-73/74 crap.

Of course, this proposed interstate would have to multiplex with I-74 after Rockingham until its divergence anyway.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: english si on April 18, 2015, 05:45:32 AM
I don't see a reason to change I-74 to I-79 despite the idea the state would abandon the route, which they haven't by the way.  Also, I-79 already exists and would be worse than the I-74 concurrency.
You mean the I-74/US74 concurrency?

I-79 does already exist. While it would be the first duplicated N-S interstate pair (and pretty close together) it isn't that bad.

And it's fixed really really easily - put I-79 shields up on I-77 between Beckley and Mt Airy.

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I-74 in NC is useful west of where it will diverge from US74-76. A link between I-73 and I-77 via the Triad is very useful, probably trumping I-26 to Charlotte upgrades (as that's already freeway), though not I-85 and I-95 to Raleigh schemes. Charlotte to Rockingham is something NC needs, but strategically it makes no sense until you can get to Wilmington, or near enough, on freeway.

I-74 between I-77 and I-95 forms an important N-S link. US74 between Charlotte and I-95 doesn't finish the E-W one and needs the (independently useful) I-95 to Wilmington link to make sense on a macro level.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 23, 2015, 11:12:26 PM
Thanks to contributions from Strider, I have posted new photos of I-73 related construction west and north of Greensboro on my I-73 Segment 3 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#seg3 (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#seg3)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 21, 2015, 11:40:44 AM
NCDOT has posted the contract documents for the final parts of two I-73 construction projects to be let on June 16. The first will complete work on the I-840/Bryan Blvd interchange at the southern end of the current I-73 PTI Airport to US 220 connector project. The second will remake the current US 220/NC 68 intersection into an interchange at the northern end of the current US 220 widening project. I have posted some of the signage plans for the latter on my I-73 in NC Segment 2 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on May 26, 2015, 01:24:18 PM
http://www.journalnow.com/news/local/buckle-up-winston-salem-s-northern-beltway-work-picking-up/article_a1cd3495-c2d0-52ad-be7c-a2b6150f8237.html


Latest update from Winston-Salem leg...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 31, 2015, 12:25:03 PM
NCDOT has posted the contract documents for the final parts of two I-73 construction projects to be let on June 16. The first will complete work on the I-840/Bryan Blvd interchange at the southern end of the current I-73 PTI Airport to US 220 connector project. The second will remake the current US 220/NC 68 intersection into an interchange at the northern end of the current US 220 widening project. I have posted some of the signage plans for the latter on my I-73 in NC Segment 2 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)


Do you  happen to have access to all signage plans for I-73? I tried clicking on the link you provided, but it won't let me access it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 31, 2015, 10:25:16 PM
NCDOT has posted the contract documents for the final parts of two I-73 construction projects to be let on June 16. The first will complete work on the I-840/Bryan Blvd interchange at the southern end of the current I-73 PTI Airport to US 220 connector project. The second will remake the current US 220/NC 68 intersection into an interchange at the northern end of the current US 220 widening project. I have posted some of the signage plans for the latter on my I-73 in NC Segment 2 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)

Do you  happen to have access to all signage plans for I-73? I tried clicking on the link you provided, but it won't let me access it.
Plans for the '250' signage at the Bryan Blvd to PTI Airport exits are available here:
http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/DSPlan/2015%20Highway%20Letting/06-16-15/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Guilford%20U-2524BC%20C203290/Standard%20PDF%20Plans/ (http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/DSPlan/2015%20Highway%20Letting/06-16-15/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Guilford%20U-2524BC%20C203290/Standard%20PDF%20Plans/)
Plans for future I-73 signage along the Greensboro Loop from I-40 northward are available with the contract for the currently under construction segment from Bryan Blvd to US 220:
http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/DSPlan/2013%20Highway%20Letting/09-24-13/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Guilford%20U-2524C%20C203197/Roadway%20Part%20II/ (http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/DSPlan/2013%20Highway%20Letting/09-24-13/Plans%20and%20Proposals/Guilford%20U-2524C%20C203197/Roadway%20Part%20II/)
Signage plans for the rest of the I-73 project northward to US 220 were not available when the contract was let, since it is a design-build project.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 07, 2015, 09:46:32 PM
The NCDOT Board has approved the 2016-2025 State Transportation Improvement Plan (STIP), the first to be created under the new strategic mobility formula. A quick check of I-73/I-74 projects shows little change from the draft plan released last December. The next segment of the Rockingham Bypass remains unfunded. Work is to start on the W-S Beltway section between US 311 and Bus. 40 in 2022 (the rest, west of US 158, remains unfunded, pending approval of the Governor's transportation bond bill). I-74 east of I-95 will continue to be constructed on a piecemeal basis with upgrades planned to the next two US 74 at-grade intersections east of Lumberton: an interchange for the Broadbridge Rd intersection to start in 2019 and the separate NC 72/NC 150 intersections combined into an interchange to be built starting in 2025. There's also an ongoing feasibility study looking into the cost of upgrading US 74 to interstate standards from the Rockingham Bypass to Robeson County.
What's not in the plan: any work to even study upgrading US 52 north of the future W-S Beltway, nor US 220 north of NC 68 in Rockingham County, nor even to widen the shoulders of the existing route in Montgomery County (or to upgrade US 311 recently signed as I-74 in Forsyth County). Related to other future interstates, there are also 2 feasibility studies being funded which connect to the recent NC congressional delegations bills calling to upgrade US 64 between I-440 and US 17 and US 117 from Goldsboro to I-40 to Interstate routes.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on August 09, 2015, 10:41:11 PM
Strider was kind enough to forward several photos of I-73 construction on the Greensboro Area. Here's a photo of where I-73 will continue west from Bryan Blvd:
(http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4str815a.jpg)

I have posted the rest near the top  of my I-73 Segment 3 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#seg3 (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#seg3)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Thing 342 on August 09, 2015, 10:57:05 PM
Great photos. Construction seems to be going along nicely.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on August 11, 2015, 12:19:39 PM
Seems to me that NC and TX are the two states most serious about Interstate construction! Even if they're stuck with out-of-place routes that may never connect to their original counterparts in our lifetimes.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on August 11, 2015, 06:50:59 PM
NC has been aggressive in building freeways for a long time. The state has just under 1400 miles of interstates, and it also has just under 700 miles of non-interstate freeways. Most of the latter fall well short of interstate standards, but that's a large inventory of roads that could be upgraded.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on August 11, 2015, 09:33:35 PM
Seems to me that NC and TX are the two states most serious about Interstate construction! Even if they're stuck with out-of-place routes that may never connect to their original counterparts in our lifetimes.

There is only two I am assuming your talking about, I-73 and I-74.  Never know though, they only need Virginia and South Carolina to do their parts.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: noelbotevera on August 11, 2015, 09:51:20 PM
 :pan: :banghead: Too bad my family moved out of North Carolina (we lived in Lumberton, BTW). Their reason was that it was too hot, eh? Well, I could be on I-73/I-74 earlier!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: TravelingBethelite on August 12, 2015, 09:30:04 AM
The thing is, that I-73/74 will be roads to nowhere for a looooong time, if not forever. Any interstate that doesn't connect to any other = What's the purpose?  :ded:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on August 12, 2015, 01:04:46 PM
Seems to me that NC and TX are the two states most serious about Interstate construction! Even if they're stuck with out-of-place routes that may never connect to their original counterparts in our lifetimes.

There is only two I am assuming your talking about, I-73 and I-74.  Never know though, they only need Virginia and South Carolina to do their parts.
But those two are in NC; add I-2 and I-69 (including the E/C/W branches) to the list. In the case of I-69, LA, AR, MS and TN need to do their parts (KY and IN already are).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on August 12, 2015, 06:15:02 PM
The thing is, that I-73/74 will be roads to nowhere for a looooong time, if not forever. Any interstate that doesn't connect to any other = What's the purpose?  :ded:

If we had that attitude, no interstates would have been built.  Stuff takes time to build out and they usually start off as roads to nowhere.  Also, those interstates do connect to other interstates.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jwolfer on August 13, 2015, 08:14:12 PM
The thing is, that I-73/74 will be roads to nowhere for a looooong time, if not forever. Any interstate that doesn't connect to any other = What's the purpose?  :ded:

If we had that attitude, no interstates would have been built.  Stuff takes time to build out and they usually start off as roads to nowhere.  Also, those interstates do connect to other interstates.
It's not 1960 anymore. The will and funding for new road construction isn't there. Furthermore transportation budgets are allocated to mass transit as well.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: orulz on August 14, 2015, 10:34:55 AM
Seems to me that NC and TX are the two states most serious about Interstate construction! Even if they're stuck with out-of-place routes that may never connect to their original counterparts in our lifetimes.
The reason for this in NC is two-fold: (1) High gas tax, which means more revenue, and (2) the "equity formula" that until a couple years ago directed much of that revenue towards rural freeway construction, to the detriment of urban areas.

Other stub interstates include I-26. The construction of I-26 over Sams Gap on the North Carolina side really is an engineering marvel: 60mph speed limit, very gradual curves, and SIX LANES through extremely mountainous territory. And 12 years after it opened, it carries something like 9000 cars per day. The Tennessee side was completed earlier but is much curvier, has a 55mph speed limit, and only four lanes wide with no room to widen in a median - and IMO is probably a more appropriate design given the amount of traffic it carries.

Interestingly, I-26 and I-74 both have Columbus, OH as a planned northern terminus, so if I-74 is built as planned, I-26 could connect into it maybe somewhere near Williamson, WV, and travelers could just take I-74 north to Columbus from there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on August 14, 2015, 12:40:40 PM
I had no idea that I-26 was planned to end in Columbus! I thought that was part of the original plans for I-73, before the states north/west of VA said no thanks.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: orulz on August 14, 2015, 12:47:29 PM
I don't know if there was ever an officially announced plan to call it I-26 through Kentucky and Ohio, but it was certainly discussed in committees, and US 23 has in fact been partially improved (though mostly not to interstate standard) through Kentucky and Ohio, as a part of the Appalachian Development Highway Corridors B and C.

http://mountainx.com/news/community-news/0716tennessee-php/
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: slorydn1 on August 14, 2015, 07:18:16 PM
Seems to me that NC and TX are the two states most serious about Interstate construction! Even if they're stuck with out-of-place routes that may never connect to their original counterparts in our lifetimes.
The reason for this in NC is two-fold: (1) High gas tax, which means more revenue, and (2) the "equity formula" that until a couple years ago directed much of that revenue towards rural freeway construction, to the detriment of urban areas.

Other stub interstates include I-26. The construction of I-26 over Sams Gap on the North Carolina side really is an engineering marvel: 60mph speed limit, very gradual curves, and SIX LANES through extremely mountainous territory. And 12 years after it opened, it carries something like 9000 cars per day. The Tennessee side was completed earlier but is much curvier, has a 55mph speed limit, and only four lanes wide with no room to widen in a median - and IMO is probably a more appropriate design given the amount of traffic it carries.

Interestingly, I-26 and I-74 both have Columbus, OH as a planned northern terminus, so if I-74 is built as planned, I-26 could connect into it maybe somewhere near Williamson, WV, and travelers could just take I-74 north to Columbus from there.


Kinda scratching my head at the detriment comment. That equity formula was put in place precisely because the urban areas had been getting all of the money for years, much to the detriment of the rural areas.


I've lived in eastern NC for 25 years, and I don't believe I have ever been to Raleigh, Durham, Greensboro, Winston-Salem, or Charlotte and not seen orange and white construction barrels littered pretty much everywhere in those cities. New freeways sprouting up everywhere, added lanes to existing freeways, more interchanges than one can shake a stick at, all of which was done even with the "detrimental" equity formula. How much more do the cities need?


The running joke when I first moved here was that the official state flower for NC was the construction cone, yet for years I never saw one outside of an urban area. We are finally getting some of our long sought after projects started here in the east-some of these projects have been discussed longer than I have lived here.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on August 14, 2015, 08:54:10 PM
Seems to me that NC and TX are the two states most serious about Interstate construction! Even if they're stuck with out-of-place routes that may never connect to their original counterparts in our lifetimes.
The reason for this in NC is two-fold: (1) High gas tax, which means more revenue, and (2) the "equity formula" that until a couple years ago directed much of that revenue towards rural freeway construction, to the detriment of urban areas.

Other stub interstates include I-26. The construction of I-26 over Sams Gap on the North Carolina side really is an engineering marvel: 60mph speed limit, very gradual curves, and SIX LANES through extremely mountainous territory. And 12 years after it opened, it carries something like 9000 cars per day. The Tennessee side was completed earlier but is much curvier, has a 55mph speed limit, and only four lanes wide with no room to widen in a median - and IMO is probably a more appropriate design given the amount of traffic it carries.

Interestingly, I-26 and I-74 both have Columbus, OH as a planned northern terminus, so if I-74 is built as planned, I-26 could connect into it maybe somewhere near Williamson, WV, and travelers could just take I-74 north to Columbus from there.
I-74? I-74 is supposed to go to Cincinnati to meet up with the existing section of I-74. If you mean I-73 last I heard I-73 is supposed to end at I-81 in Roanoke, VA because OH and MI put their parts of hold and WV is building there part as a corridor.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on August 14, 2015, 09:08:55 PM
I had no idea that I-26 was planned to end in Columbus!

It isn't. US 23, as is, is perfectly adequate for traffic in Virginia and Kentucky. There will never be an I-26 in the Bluegrass State.

Interestingly, I-26 and I-74 both have Columbus, OH as a planned northern terminus

No it doesn't.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on August 14, 2015, 09:12:20 PM
I-74? I-74 is supposed to go to Cincinnati to meet up with the existing section of I-74. If you mean I-73 last I heard I-73 is supposed to end at I-81 in Roanoke, VA because OH and MI put their parts of hold and WV is building there part as a corridor.

I-74 in Virginia or North Carolina will never be extended to Cincinnati. What gets built in West Virginia will be built as a surface route, and Kentucky already has a perfectly good route linking I-64 to Cincy. It's called the AA Highway. As for WV, the US 35 to OH 32 corridor works pretty well to move traffic from the I-77/Charleston area to Cincy. US 35 is finally going to be completed in WV.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on August 14, 2015, 09:16:10 PM
I-74? I-74 is supposed to go to Cincinnati to meet up with the existing section of I-74. If you mean I-73 last I heard I-73 is supposed to end at I-81 in Roanoke, VA because OH and MI put their parts of hold and WV is building there part as a corridor.

I-74 in Virginia or North Carolina will never be extended to Cincinnati. What gets built in West Virginia will be built as a surface route, and Kentucky already has a perfectly good route linking I-64 to Cincy. It's called the AA Highway. As for WV, the US 35 to OH 32 corridor works pretty well to move traffic from the I-77/Charleston area to Cincy. US 35 is finally going to be completed in WV.
I know at one point KYDOT considering combining the AA Highway upgrade proposals and the I-74 corridor into one road but eitherway I-74 doesn't need to be extended past Cincinnati. It is just fine ending in Cincinnati. Half of the NCDOT I-74 is concurrent with I-73 it seems. There is no point to connect the two segments together. Just finish up surface road projects like US 35 and US 52 in WV.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mileage Mike on August 15, 2015, 08:57:08 PM
Seems to me that NC and TX are the two states most serious about Interstate construction! Even if they're stuck with out-of-place routes that may never connect to their original counterparts in our lifetimes.
The reason for this in NC is two-fold: (1) High gas tax, which means more revenue, and (2) the "equity formula" that until a couple years ago directed much of that revenue towards rural freeway construction, to the detriment of urban areas.

Other stub interstates include I-26. The construction of I-26 over Sams Gap on the North Carolina side really is an engineering marvel: 60mph speed limit, very gradual curves, and SIX LANES through extremely mountainous territory. And 12 years after it opened, it carries something like 9000 cars per day. The Tennessee side was completed earlier but is much curvier, has a 55mph speed limit, and only four lanes wide with no room to widen in a median - and IMO is probably a more appropriate design given the amount of traffic it carries.

Interestingly, I-26 and I-74 both have Columbus, OH as a planned northern terminus, so if I-74 is built as planned, I-26 could connect into it maybe somewhere near Williamson, WV, and travelers could just take I-74 north to Columbus from there.


Kinda scratching my head at the detriment comment. That equity formula was put in place precisely because the urban areas had been getting all of the money for years, much to the detriment of the rural areas.


I've lived in eastern NC for 25 years, and I don't believe I have ever been to Raleigh, Durham, Greensboro, Winston-Salem, or Charlotte and not seen orange and white construction barrels littered pretty much everywhere in those cities. New freeways sprouting up everywhere, added lanes to existing freeways, more interchanges than one can shake a stick at, all of which was done even with the "detrimental" equity formula. How much more do the cities need?


The running joke when I first moved here was that the official state flower for NC was the construction cone, yet for years I never saw one outside of an urban area. We are finally getting some of our long sought after projects started here in the east-some of these projects have been discussed longer than I have lived here.

A good example of it was US 64 and US 264 getting built as freeways through lightly traveled parts of Eastern NC.  Especially 64.  I'd even venture as far as to say 73/74 being built while I-77 and I-85 remained inefficient for their traffic volumes in Charlotte was one as well.  Another good example was the absence of funding to complete 485 in Charlotte, while 295 was being built in Fayetteville instead.

Thankfully they've adjusted accordingly and the Triangle and Charlotte get more of the funding they need.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on August 15, 2015, 09:23:48 PM
I'd say that 64 was improved to funnel vacation traffic to the Outer Banks. I have faint memories of driving across 64 a couple of times as a very young kid, and it seemed like it took forever. Back then, a trip to the Outer Banks took a good two days, and that was with us leaving around 4 or 5 in the morning (via KY 11, US 25E, I-81, I-40 and various US routes where 40 wasn't built yet, NC 98 and US 64). Now it could easily be done in a day's drive.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on August 17, 2015, 11:35:34 AM
I-74? I-74 is supposed to go to Cincinnati to meet up with the existing section of I-74. If you mean I-73 last I heard I-73 is supposed to end at I-81 in Roanoke, VA because OH and MI put their parts of hold and WV is building there part as a corridor.

I-74 in Virginia or North Carolina will never be extended to Cincinnati. What gets built in West Virginia will be built as a surface route, and Kentucky already has a perfectly good route linking I-64 to Cincy. It's called the AA Highway. As for WV, the US 35 to OH 32 corridor works pretty well to move traffic from the I-77/Charleston area to Cincy. US 35 is finally going to be completed in WV.
I know at one point KYDOT considering combining the AA Highway upgrade proposals and the I-74 corridor into one road but eitherway I-74 doesn't need to be extended past Cincinnati. It is just fine ending in Cincinnati. Half of the NCDOT I-74 is concurrent with I-73 it seems. There is no point to connect the two segments together. Just finish up surface road projects like US 35 and US 52 in WV.
Which is why it makes absolutely no sense to have two separate I-74s, with one being so far out of place.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 17, 2015, 09:22:52 PM
I-74? I-74 is supposed to go to Cincinnati to meet up with the existing section of I-74. If you mean I-73 last I heard I-73 is supposed to end at I-81 in Roanoke, VA because OH and MI put their parts of hold and WV is building there part as a corridor.

I-74 in Virginia or North Carolina will never be extended to Cincinnati. What gets built in West Virginia will be built as a surface route, and Kentucky already has a perfectly good route linking I-64 to Cincy. It's called the AA Highway. As for WV, the US 35 to OH 32 corridor works pretty well to move traffic from the I-77/Charleston area to Cincy. US 35 is finally going to be completed in WV.
I know at one point KYDOT considering combining the AA Highway upgrade proposals and the I-74 corridor into one road but eitherway I-74 doesn't need to be extended past Cincinnati. It is just fine ending in Cincinnati. Half of the NCDOT I-74 is concurrent with I-73 it seems. There is no point to connect the two segments together. Just finish up surface road projects like US 35 and US 52 in WV.
Which is why it makes absolutely no sense to have two separate I-74s, with one being so far out of place.

That's why I'll always will support making the NC I-74 into I-79.  At least all you would have to do to connect it to the original I-79 is to add shields along I-77 for it.  And then you don't even have to really do that!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on August 17, 2015, 09:28:10 PM
That's why I'll always will support making the NC I-74 into I-79.  At least all you would have to do to connect it to the original I-79 is to add shields along I-77 for it.  And then you don't even have to really do that!
That's a brilliant idea. An I-77/I-79 concurrency isn't even that hard.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on August 19, 2015, 12:24:35 PM
That's why I'll always will support making the NC I-74 into I-79.  At least all you would have to do to connect it to the original I-79 is to add shields along I-77 for it.  And then you don't even have to really do that!
That's a brilliant idea. An I-77/I-79 concurrency isn't even that hard.
I like having a southern I-79 in place of I-73/I-74 myself! In fact, I remember drawing an I-79 on the atlases from Greensboro to Myrtle Beach along the route that was to become I-73, as well as an I-36 for the Asheville-Charlotte-Wilmington route. Alas, those plans will never be realized now...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on August 19, 2015, 02:45:24 PM
Move your Interstate 74 renumbering to Interstate 79 to Fictional Highways, since it is not going to happen in the non-fictional world. Same with your Interstate 36 proposal.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 02, 2015, 10:21:18 PM
A look through the latest information on NCDOT's Construction Progress Report shows the completion dates for a couple I-73 projects have been moved back. The widening of US 220 north of Greensboro to NC 68 now has a completion date of June 2017, moved from December 2016. This is not a surprise since the project is way behind schedule, just over half is finished when it was scheduled to be nearly 90% done. The delay means that the recently awarded contract for reconstructing the NC 68 intersection into an interchange on the north end of the widening project is now scheduled to be completed first, in May 2017. The design-build contract building the rest of I-73 from the PTI Airport to US 220 would also have been completed first due to this delay, but that project's completion date has also been moved back, from April to October 2017. Work is about 1/3 complete on this project.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jbnati27 on September 03, 2015, 01:35:14 PM
I-74? I-74 is supposed to go to Cincinnati to meet up with the existing section of I-74. If you mean I-73 last I heard I-73 is supposed to end at I-81 in Roanoke, VA because OH and MI put their parts of hold and WV is building there part as a corridor.

I-74 in Virginia or North Carolina will never be extended to Cincinnati. What gets built in West Virginia will be built as a surface route, and Kentucky already has a perfectly good route linking I-64 to Cincy. It's called the AA Highway. As for WV, the US 35 to OH 32 corridor works pretty well to move traffic from the I-77/Charleston area to Cincy. US 35 is finally going to be completed in WV.

That's good news about US35 being completed in WV. The two lane portion can be a little brutal to travel.

I've also used OH32/US23/US52 to get to I-64 at Huntington, WV from Cincy. My connecting point for the AA Highway is US62/68 at Maysville.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jbnati27 on September 03, 2015, 01:37:43 PM
That's why I'll always will support making the NC I-74 into I-79.  At least all you would have to do to connect it to the original I-79 is to add shields along I-77 for it.  And then you don't even have to really do that!
That's a brilliant idea. An I-77/I-79 concurrency isn't even that hard.

I agree. This would put I-79 East of I-77, where it belongs. It's not a problem until later, when it crosses I-95 LOL. At least you wouldn't have I-74 that far South and you wouldn't have the whole US74/I-74 concurrency confusion.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on September 03, 2015, 07:35:07 PM
If the US 19 corridor into Beckley is ever upgraded, the multiplex can be further reduced.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 03, 2015, 10:57:44 PM
If the US 19 corridor into Beckley is ever upgraded, the multiplex can be further reduced.

No way is it ever going to be upgraded.  Too many small roads that have their only connection to that route.  Anyways, now we're getting a tad too close to the fictional part.  So, if you want to continue on the US-19 upgrade to an Interstate, do so in the fictional area. ;)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on September 04, 2015, 01:28:14 PM
The thing is, that I-73/74 will be roads to nowhere for a looooong time, if not forever. Any interstate that doesn't connect to any other = What's the purpose?  :ded:



Wrong. Both interstates are connected to I-40 and I-85 as well as each other for now. If US 52 is being upgraded to interstate status, you can add I-77 due to the I-74 connection. Purpose served. The only issue: extend them into other state. As far as I know, I-73 has a chance to be completed to another state (VA or SC) before I-74 does.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Rothman on September 04, 2015, 01:33:30 PM
At least in NY, the FHWA Division Office is not allowing I-86 sections to be shielded before they are "linked" to other interstates (i.e., isolated sections of "interstate" cannot be shielded as such).

Of course, we're managed by a bunch of people who rarely look outside of the state's borders, so all they'd have to do is point out that southern Texas nonsense with I-2 and the alphabet soup I-69s and say that they're being inconsistent.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on September 04, 2015, 01:37:36 PM
Seems to me that NC and TX are the two states most serious about Interstate construction! Even if they're stuck with out-of-place routes that may never connect to their original counterparts in our lifetimes.
The reason for this in NC is two-fold: (1) High gas tax, which means more revenue, and (2) the "equity formula" that until a couple years ago directed much of that revenue towards rural freeway construction, to the detriment of urban areas.

Other stub interstates include I-26. The construction of I-26 over Sams Gap on the North Carolina side really is an engineering marvel: 60mph speed limit, very gradual curves, and SIX LANES through extremely mountainous territory. And 12 years after it opened, it carries something like 9000 cars per day. The Tennessee side was completed earlier but is much curvier, has a 55mph speed limit, and only four lanes wide with no room to widen in a median - and IMO is probably a more appropriate design given the amount of traffic it carries.

Interestingly, I-26 and I-74 both have Columbus, OH as a planned northern terminus, so if I-74 is built as planned, I-26 could connect into it maybe somewhere near Williamson, WV, and travelers could just take I-74 north to Columbus from there.
I-74? I-74 is supposed to go to Cincinnati to meet up with the existing section of I-74. If you mean I-73 last I heard I-73 is supposed to end at I-81 in Roanoke, VA because OH and MI put their parts of hold and WV is building there part as a corridor.



Correct. I-73 is proposed to begin/end at I-81 for time being (more likely a very long time since other states are putitng their routes on hold). At least it will connect Roanoke with Greensboro. The road makes sense because Martinsville needs a interstate connection (especially now that they have Speedway that is often being used for NASCAR races. You need a interstate connection for that).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on September 04, 2015, 03:51:56 PM
I've been to a race in Martinsville - you don't need an interstate connection for it. Just better parking.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on September 04, 2015, 05:25:15 PM
At least in NY, the FHWA Division Office is not allowing I-86 sections to be shielded before they are "linked" to other interstates (i.e., isolated sections of "interstate" cannot be shielded as such).

Of course, we're managed by a bunch of people who rarely look outside of the state's borders, so all they'd have to do is point out that southern Texas nonsense with I-2 and the alphabet soup I-69s and say that they're being inconsistent.

Yet FHWA and AASHTO did allow New York to sign I-99 from I-86 to the PA state line.  :bigass:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Rothman on September 04, 2015, 05:49:10 PM
At least in NY, the FHWA Division Office is not allowing I-86 sections to be shielded before they are "linked" to other interstates (i.e., isolated sections of "interstate" cannot be shielded as such).

Of course, we're managed by a bunch of people who rarely look outside of the state's borders, so all they'd have to do is point out that southern Texas nonsense with I-2 and the alphabet soup I-69s and say that they're being inconsistent.

Yet FHWA and AASHTO did allow New York to sign I-99 from I-86 to the PA state line.  :bigass:

Only when I-86 had been designated itself since it connected to I-90.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: noelbotevera on September 04, 2015, 05:51:42 PM
At least in NY, the FHWA Division Office is not allowing I-86 sections to be shielded before they are "linked" to other interstates (i.e., isolated sections of "interstate" cannot be shielded as such).

Of course, we're managed by a bunch of people who rarely look outside of the state's borders, so all they'd have to do is point out that southern Texas nonsense with I-2 and the alphabet soup I-69s and say that they're being inconsistent.

Yet FHWA and AASHTO did allow New York to sign I-99 from I-86 to the PA state line.  :bigass:

Only when I-86 had been designated itself since it connected to I-90.
I-99 and I-86 are gapped and end at unlogical places. Eh, not as bad as US 319.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Rothman on September 04, 2015, 06:37:04 PM
At least in NY, the FHWA Division Office is not allowing I-86 sections to be shielded before they are "linked" to other interstates (i.e., isolated sections of "interstate" cannot be shielded as such).

Of course, we're managed by a bunch of people who rarely look outside of the state's borders, so all they'd have to do is point out that southern Texas nonsense with I-2 and the alphabet soup I-69s and say that they're being inconsistent.

Yet FHWA and AASHTO did allow New York to sign I-99 from I-86 to the PA state line.  :bigass:

Only when I-86 had been designated itself since it connected to I-90.
I-99 and I-86 are gapped and end at unlogical places. Eh, not as bad as US 319.

Western I-86 starts at I-90 and ends where it is no longer at acceptable standards to FHWA.

Eastern I-86 connects to I-81; same rules.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on September 05, 2015, 12:16:10 AM
Martinsville needs a interstate connection (especially now that they have Speedway that is often being used for NASCAR races. You need a interstate connection for that).

NOW that they have the speedway? That's only the oldest track on the NASCAR circuit. (With the possible exception of Indy, but that's a relatively recent addition to the schedule.)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on September 05, 2015, 10:34:49 AM
Martinsville needs a interstate connection (especially now that they have Speedway that is often being used for NASCAR races. You need a interstate connection for that).

NOW that they have the speedway? That's only the oldest track on the NASCAR circuit. (With the possible exception of Indy, but that's a relatively recent addition to the schedule.)

With this criteria (Martinsville Speedway now can seat around 65k people), numerous college towns would need an interstate connection in addition to most other NASCAR venues...

Mike
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on September 06, 2015, 11:30:16 AM
I've been to a race in Martinsville - you don't need an interstate connection for it. Just better parking.


Parking isn't the only issue. Traffic is as well. (been there a couple of times as well as living a hour away from there).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 06, 2015, 11:36:57 AM
Martinsville needs a interstate connection (especially now that they have Speedway that is often being used for NASCAR races. You need a interstate connection for that).

NOW that they have the speedway? That's only the oldest track on the NASCAR circuit. (With the possible exception of Indy, but that's a relatively recent addition to the schedule.)

With this criteria (Martinsville Speedway now can seat around 65k people), numerous college towns would need an interstate connection in addition to most other NASCAR venues...

Mike

Well under that logic the US 460 Christiansburg/Blacksburg bypass needs to be upgraded to interstate standards so it can become I-781 until I-73 is truly more than a pipe-dream  :-D
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: roadman65 on September 06, 2015, 01:20:15 PM
Do not ever count on I-73 being north of I-81.  I think you have a better chance of a meteorite hitting the Empire State Building within a few seconds of me writing this, then you have West Virginia, Ohio, and Michigan building the roadway.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on September 06, 2015, 10:10:38 PM
West Virginia will not build an interstate. They are building a surface route. Do people not read earlier posts here?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MikeSantNY78 on September 07, 2015, 08:47:30 PM
The thing is, that I-73/74 will be roads to nowhere for a looooong time, if not forever. Any interstate that doesn't connect to any other = What's the purpose?  :ded:



Wrong. Both interstates are connected to I-40 and I-85 as well as each other for now. If US 52 is being upgraded to interstate status, you can add I-77 due to the I-74 connection. Purpose served. The only issue: extend them into other state. As far as I know, I-73 has a chance to be completed to another state (VA or SC) before I-74 does.

"As of December 2008, Interstate 74 is proposed to follow the path of Interstate 77 through the state of Virginia, but remains unsigned from the West Virginia border to the North Carolina border." (I-74 article in Wikipedia)
If it weren't for that bolded word, I'd say I-74 had a hidden concurrency with I-77 in Virginia...and thus would be completed in that state...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on September 07, 2015, 08:58:01 PM
Virginia traffic logs, which show hidden concurrencies with one of its VA 9000x routes and the gaps in VA 42, does not show an I-74 concurrency and to my recollection I-74 has never been discussed in the CTB or on VDOT's website...

Mike
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 07, 2015, 09:56:48 PM
Virginia traffic logs, which show hidden concurrencies with one of its VA 9000x routes and the gaps in VA 42, does not show an I-74 concurrency and to my recollection I-74 has never been discussed in the CTB or on VDOT's website...

Mike
True. However, AASHTO in 1997 officially approved I-74's routing south of I-81 along I-77 to the NC border, as well as its proposed routes through NC and SC, so VDOT could put I-74 signs up if they wanted to. I don't see any need for VA to put up any signs though until the I-74 is signed to Winston-Salem.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on September 08, 2015, 11:22:35 AM
Virginia traffic logs, which show hidden concurrencies with one of its VA 9000x routes and the gaps in VA 42, does not show an I-74 concurrency and to my recollection I-74 has never been discussed in the CTB or on VDOT's website...

Mike
True. However, AASHTO in 1997 officially approved I-74's routing south of I-81 along I-77 to the NC border, as well as its proposed routes through NC and SC, so VDOT could put I-74 signs up if they wanted to. I don't see any need for VA to put up any signs though until the I-74 is signed to Winston-Salem.
And seeing that I-74 is not connecting to Cincinnati anytime soon, why would they? That's just another useless concurrency we simply don't need.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on November 12, 2015, 03:32:02 PM
Agreed. Someday in the not too distant future, NC will decide that it wants an interstate designation across the southern edge of the state from Tryon (I-26) to Wilmington. That will put an end to the I-74 nonsense. (I hope.)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on November 19, 2015, 04:14:09 PM
http://governor.nc.gov/press-release/governor-mccrory-announces-accelerated-timelines-major-transportation-projects


Included with this is the *entire* I-74 stretch on the eastern end of Winston-Salem!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 19, 2015, 10:53:39 PM
http://governor.nc.gov/press-release/governor-mccrory-announces-accelerated-timelines-major-transportation-projects

Included with this is the *entire* I-74 stretch on the eastern end of Winston-Salem!
In addition to the specific projects mentioned, the governor's plan would fund additional projects in the 2016-2025 State TIP. These include a new project that would fund bringing US 74 up to Interstate Standards between the Rockingham Bypass and the existing I-74 in Robeson County, work would start in 2022. Also several intersection conversion to interchange projects for Future I-73 along US 220 north of Greensboro and Future I-74 along US 52 in Stokes County would be accelerated to start in 2022 and 2023.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: mvak36 on November 20, 2015, 12:27:43 PM
When they say Fiscal Year, what does that mean? For example, if they say FY 16, does that mean it's just all of 2016?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: froggie on November 20, 2015, 02:52:26 PM
Quote from: mvak36
When they say Fiscal Year, what does that mean? For example, if they say FY 16, does that mean it's just all of 2016?

No because, at the Federal level, FY 2016 began on October 1, 2015.  Some states do the same...some states begin their fiscal year July 1 of the prior year (so in this case, July 1, 2015).  I'm not sure what North Carolina's situation is.

In short, governmental Fiscal Years do not coincide exactly with the regular calendar.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on November 20, 2015, 06:03:41 PM
Quote from: mvak36
When they say Fiscal Year, what does that mean? For example, if they say FY 16, does that mean it's just all of 2016?

No because, at the Federal level, FY 2016 began on October 1, 2015.  Some states do the same...some states begin their fiscal year July 1 of the prior year (so in this case, July 1, 2015).  I'm not sure what North Carolina's situation is.

In short, governmental Fiscal Years do not coincide exactly with the regular calendar.

North Carolina is July 1st.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on December 15, 2015, 11:24:40 PM
I have posted several new photos of construction of the first segment of the I-74 Winston Salem Beltway forwarded to me by jcarte29 on my I-74 Segment 4 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html)

In other news, a Randolph County source has told me that in discussions with an NCDOT engineer about the I-73/74 Rockingham Bypass, he was told that the Bypass segment, currently unfunded, may be funded next year. It was unclear whether this was more from the governor's budget changes, or that the project would be funded in the new Draft 2018-2027 STIP due out next summer.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on December 16, 2015, 04:35:50 PM
I have posted several new photos of construction of the first segment of the I-74 Winston Salem Beltway forwarded to me by jcarte29 on my I-74 Segment 4 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html)

In other news, a Randolph County source has told me that in discussions with an NCDOT engineer about the I-73/74 Rockingham Bypass, he was told that the Bypass segment, currently unfunded, may be funded next year. It was unclear whether this was more from the governor's budget changes, or that the project would be funded in the new Draft 2018-2027 STIP due out next summer.

I thank you for adding the pictures to your website. My next trip up there will be either spring or summer of 2016 and I will check out progress on the (northwest) US 158 side of the segment. -JAC
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 01, 2016, 11:49:23 PM
I have posted my annual I-73/I-74 in NC Year in Review for 2015. Thanks to all who contributed news and photos to me for my website over the past year: http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2016/01/i-73i-74-year-in-review-2015.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2016/01/i-73i-74-year-in-review-2015.html)

Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on January 02, 2016, 06:24:02 PM
I have posted my annual I-73/I-74 in NC Year in Review for 2015. Thanks to all who contributed news and photos to me for my website over the past year: http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2016/01/i-73i-74-year-in-review-2015.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2016/01/i-73i-74-year-in-review-2015.html)

Happy New Year!

Thanks...this is a very helpful review of these projects!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 07, 2016, 11:50:48 PM
The NCDOT Board has officially approved the projects added to the State 2016-2025 STIP due to the change by the Governor of the budget formula. This includes adding a project to upgrade of US 74 between Rockingham and Robeson County to interstate standards starting in 2022.

More details in this article: https://yourdailyjournal.com/news/local-news-5/20605/state-board-approves-u-s-74-upgrade (https://yourdailyjournal.com/news/local-news-5/20605/state-board-approves-u-s-74-upgrade)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Rothman on January 08, 2016, 11:24:20 AM
The NCDOT Board has officially approved the projects added to the State 2016-2025 STIP due to the change by the Governor of the budget formula. This includes adding a project to upgrade of US 74 between Rockingham and Robeson County to interstate standards starting in 2022.

More details in this article: https://yourdailyjournal.com/news/local-news-5/20605/state-board-approves-u-s-74-upgrade (https://yourdailyjournal.com/news/local-news-5/20605/state-board-approves-u-s-74-upgrade)

2022?  10 year STIP?

*guffaws*

Around these parts in NY, anything more than two years out is pure fantasy even when we're asked to put something down on paper.  Typically do a four-FFY STIP and a five-SFY capital program.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: noelbotevera on January 08, 2016, 03:40:24 PM
Eh. It's only 60 miles. I remember going out that way a long time ago. I thought they finished the work west of Lumberton.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on January 08, 2016, 06:31:45 PM
The NCDOT Board has officially approved the projects added to the State 2016-2025 STIP due to the change by the Governor of the budget formula. This includes adding a project to upgrade of US 74 between Rockingham and Robeson County to interstate standards starting in 2022.

More details in this article: https://yourdailyjournal.com/news/local-news-5/20605/state-board-approves-u-s-74-upgrade (https://yourdailyjournal.com/news/local-news-5/20605/state-board-approves-u-s-74-upgrade)

2022?  10 year STIP?

*guffaws*

Around these parts in NY, anything more than two years out is pure fantasy even when we're asked to put something down on paper.  Typically do a four-FFY STIP and a five-SFY capital program.

In NC, highway projects are often delayed (like they are everywhere), but inclusion in the STIP is a big step toward getting a project done.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 26, 2016, 11:24:12 AM
News article indicates new segment of I-73 from PTI Airport to US 220 near the Haw River should be open by the end of this year: http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MazdaStrider on February 01, 2016, 10:08:24 PM
News article indicates new segment of I-73 from PTI Airport to US 220 near the Haw River should be open by the end of this year: http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html)


That is a very good news! I cannot wait to drive on the new section
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on February 02, 2016, 11:21:37 AM
Two more pieces of the puzzle fall into place! I think it's great that the US 74 upgrade will continue to happen, and I-73 is moving a few miles closer to Roanoke.

But 2025? That's pretty ambitious for a 60-mile project. Perhaps now would be a great time to push that Asheville-Charlotte-Wilmington Interstate!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: noelbotevera on February 02, 2016, 04:51:06 PM
Two more pieces of the puzzle fall into place! I think it's great that the US 74 upgrade will continue to happen, and I-73 is moving a few miles closer to Roanoke.

But 2025? That's pretty ambitious for a 60-mile project. Perhaps now would be a great time to push that Asheville-Charlotte-Wilmington Interstate!
We're dealing with a poor part of NC. They really are pushing hard for the interstate, but the funds aren't there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on February 03, 2016, 01:58:11 PM
News article indicates new segment of I-73 from PTI Airport to US 220 near the Haw River should be open by the end of this year: http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html)

This is a surprise. The NCDOT web site lists the project as slightly ahead of schedule (that's good) but the projected completion date in October 2017, not 2016. Is this a statement that the section between US 220 and NC 68 would open a year sooner?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on February 03, 2016, 02:43:34 PM
News article indicates new segment of I-73 from PTI Airport to US 220 near the Haw River should be open by the end of this year: http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html)

This is a surprise. The NCDOT web site lists the project as slightly ahead of schedule (that's good) but the projected completion date is October 2017, not 2016. Is this a statement that the section between US 220 and NC 68 would open a year sooner?
Based on the article, the PTI Airport taxiway won't be completed until later in 2017 and so the completion date cited must be for that part of the project, not the roadway. It is possible though, that they could open the NC 68 and US 220 segment before the rest if there's some delay in the Bryan Blvd. area (though they probably couldn't sign it as I-73 until the rest of the highway opens).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MazdaStrider on February 04, 2016, 12:21:12 AM
News article indicates new segment of I-73 from PTI Airport to US 220 near the Haw River should be open by the end of this year: http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html)

This is a surprise. The NCDOT web site lists the project as slightly ahead of schedule (that's good) but the projected completion date is October 2017, not 2016. Is this a statement that the section between US 220 and NC 68 would open a year sooner?
Based on the article, the PTI Airport taxiway won't be completed until later in 2017 and so the completion date cited must be for that part of the project, not the roadway. It is possible though, that they could open the NC 68 and US 220 segment before the rest if there's some delay in the Bryan Blvd. area (though they probably couldn't sign it as I-73 until the rest of the highway opens).


Maybe they are trying to finish building I-73 itself and when it opens, drivers can use it while they are working on the taxiway bridge over the new interstate. Who knows. Either way, I am glad it is almost done. NC 68 traffic has been a nightmare. I plan on checking out the construction sometime this weekend and see if there are some progress going on.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on February 04, 2016, 03:35:34 PM
Meanwhile, down in Columbus County: the February NCDOT letting includes a $4 million project to replace an intersection on US 74 with an overpass. The location is southeast of Evergreen, where the old US 74 intersects the new route. It's another small step in the conversion of US 74 to I-74.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on February 05, 2016, 11:26:43 AM
News article indicates new segment of I-73 from PTI Airport to US 220 near the Haw River should be open by the end of this year: http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html)

This is a surprise. The NCDOT web site lists the project as slightly ahead of schedule (that's good) but the projected completion date is October 2017, not 2016. Is this a statement that the section between US 220 and NC 68 would open a year sooner?
Based on the article, the PTI Airport taxiway won't be completed until later in 2017 and so the completion date cited must be for that part of the project, not the roadway. It is possible though, that they could open the NC 68 and US 220 segment before the rest if there's some delay in the Bryan Blvd. area (though they probably couldn't sign it as I-73 until the rest of the highway opens).


Maybe they are trying to finish building I-73 itself and when it opens, drivers can use it while they are working on the taxiway bridge over the new interstate. Who knows. Either way, I am glad it is almost done. NC 68 traffic has been a nightmare. I plan on checking out the construction sometime this weekend and see if there are some progress going on.
Here's an illustration of the taxiway bridge I found on the contractor's website:
(http://www.flatironcorp.com/assets/ProjectImages/1059PTI-Photo1.png)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ReeseFerlautoI74/85 on February 25, 2016, 05:57:41 AM
News article indicates new segment of I-73 from PTI Airport to US 220 near the Haw River should be open by the end of this year: http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html)

This is a surprise. The NCDOT web site lists the project as slightly ahead of schedule (that's good) but the projected completion date is October 2017, not 2016. Is this a statement that the section between US 220 and NC 68 would open a year sooner?
Based on the article, the PTI Airport taxiway won't be completed until later in 2017 and so the completion date cited must be for that part of the project, not the roadway. It is possible though, that they could open the NC 68 and US 220 segment before the rest if there's some delay in the Bryan Blvd. area (though they probably couldn't sign it as I-73 until the rest of the highway opens).


Maybe they are trying to finish building I-73 itself and when it opens, drivers can use it while they are working on the taxiway bridge over the new interstate. Who knows. Either way, I am glad it is almost done. NC 68 traffic has been a nightmare. I plan on checking out the construction sometime this weekend and see if there are some progress going on.
Here's an illustration of the taxiway bridge I found on the contractor's website:
(http://www.flatironcorp.com/assets/ProjectImages/1059PTI-Photo1.png)
Different kind of bridge!

SM-G360T1

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on February 26, 2016, 11:20:39 AM
Checking through the latest version of NCDOT's 2016-2025 STIP (available at: https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIPDocuments1/LIVE_STIP.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIPDocuments1/LIVE_STIP.pdf) )
I found that the entry for the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass has been revised. Construction of Part 2 of the project, the actual bypass from US 220 to US 74, is now funded with construction is to start in 2022. With this project now funded along with the project to upgrade of US 74 between Rockingham and Laurinburg, also to start in 2022, I-73 should be signed from Greensboro to Rockingham and I-74 from High Point to Laurinburg by 2025.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on February 26, 2016, 11:29:52 AM
News article indicates new segment of I-73 from PTI Airport to US 220 near the Haw River should be open by the end of this year: http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2016/01/25/new-leg-of-i-73-in-triad-to-open-this-year.html)

This is a surprise. The NCDOT web site lists the project as slightly ahead of schedule (that's good) but the projected completion date is October 2017, not 2016. Is this a statement that the section between US 220 and NC 68 would open a year sooner?
Based on the article, the PTI Airport taxiway won't be completed until later in 2017 and so the completion date cited must be for that part of the project, not the roadway. It is possible though, that they could open the NC 68 and US 220 segment before the rest if there's some delay in the Bryan Blvd. area (though they probably couldn't sign it as I-73 until the rest of the highway opens).


Maybe they are trying to finish building I-73 itself and when it opens, drivers can use it while they are working on the taxiway bridge over the new interstate. Who knows. Either way, I am glad it is almost done. NC 68 traffic has been a nightmare. I plan on checking out the construction sometime this weekend and see if there are some progress going on.
Here's an illustration of the taxiway bridge I found on the contractor's website:
(http://www.flatironcorp.com/assets/ProjectImages/1059PTI-Photo1.png)
Different kind of bridge!

SM-G360T1


Doesn't something similar to that already exist in Atlanta?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: clong on February 26, 2016, 01:53:16 PM
Yes, I-285 between exits 59 and 60.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ReeseFerlautoI74/85 on February 26, 2016, 03:16:06 PM
Checking through the latest version of NCDOT's 2016-2025 STIP (available at: https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIPDocuments1/LIVE_STIP.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIPDocuments1/LIVE_STIP.pdf) )
I found that the entry for the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass has been revised. Construction of Part 2 of the project, the actual bypass from US 220 to US 74, is now funded with construction is to start in 2022. With this project now funded along with the project to upgrade of US 74 between Rockingham and Laurinburg, also to start in 2022, I-73 should be signed from Greensboro to Rockingham and I-74 from High Point to Laurinburg by 2025.
2022? Dang that's long

SM-G360T1

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: I94RoadRunner on March 31, 2016, 08:20:55 PM
Checking through the latest version of NCDOT's 2016-2025 STIP (available at: https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIPDocuments1/LIVE_STIP.pdf (https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/STIPDocuments1/LIVE_STIP.pdf) )
I found that the entry for the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass has been revised. Construction of Part 2 of the project, the actual bypass from US 220 to US 74, is now funded with construction is to start in 2022. With this project now funded along with the project to upgrade of US 74 between Rockingham and Laurinburg, also to start in 2022, I-73 should be signed from Greensboro to Rockingham and I-74 from High Point to Laurinburg by 2025.
2022? Dang that's long

SM-G360T1


I drove I-74 and I-73/74 back in March. The west Rockingham bypass has started on the northern half. A new trumpet interchange is taking shape where the new bypass will meet the existing US 220 going south into Rockingham. Frontage roads are being constructed between the new US 220 interchange and Ellerbe. Looks like there is some minor grading along the rest of the planned route to the existing US 74 freeway.

To the north, the new alignment of I-73 is visible on Google Maps for the NC 68 connector. Grading for interchanges at NC 65 and a "reversed" diamond at US 158 (there was a diamond here prior however US 158 was the through route!). This route is expected to open to traffic in December of 2016 and be signed as I-73.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on March 31, 2016, 09:07:16 PM
NCDOT is putting out an I-73 Greensboro update in their April 2016 Transportation Board meeting...

http://www.ncdot.gov/board/bot/committees/highways/Hwys_I-73_Connector_Update.pdf

Mike
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 03, 2016, 10:56:54 PM
NCDOT is putting out an I-73 Greensboro update in their April 2016 Transportation Board meeting...

http://www.ncdot.gov/board/bot/committees/highways/Hwys_I-73_Connector_Update.pdf

Mike
Looks like the NC 68 part will open first in December, followed by the Bryan Blvd to NC 68 in April 2017. Guess they'll have to keep any I-73 signs covered up north of NC 68 until the southern section is complete, if they go strictly by the book. No mention of the completion date for the US 220 project, which according the the Construction Progress Report is June 2017, but still only 57% done.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: I94RoadRunner on April 07, 2016, 01:11:55 PM
The powers that be, IMHO, dropped the ball in allowing NC all of this latitude for a project that will never connect up, nor be finished in any meaningful way.  It is confusing to motorists, pointless, and even if completed, there are plenty of places on either "interstate" where the most logical route between two points on the route will not be the route, which should never happen.

This is my humbe solution.

Simply renumber the short section of I-74 from I-77 to US 52 as either "I-177" or "US 152" with signage of "TO US 52" or "TO I-77" beside it.

Instead of I-177, it could also be a longer I-285 when that finally gets signed in NC along US 52

Let the rest simply carry its US route numbers.  All of the rest of both projects is multi-plexed with current US routes.  US 52, US 311, US 220, US 74.   Renumber the Conway Bypass as "ALT US 501".
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on April 08, 2016, 12:28:25 PM
The powers that be, IMHO, dropped the ball in allowing NC all of this latitude for a project that will never connect up, nor be finished in any meaningful way.  It is confusing to motorists, pointless, and even if completed, there are plenty of places on either "interstate" where the most logical route between two points on the route will not be the route, which should never happen.

This is my humbe solution.

Simply renumber the short section of I-74 from I-77 to US 52 as either "I-177" or "US 152" with signage of "TO US 52" or "TO I-77" beside it.

Instead of I-177, it could also be a longer I-285 when that finally gets signed in NC along US 52

Let the rest simply carry its US route numbers.  All of the rest of both projects is multi-plexed with current US routes.  US 52, US 311, US 220, US 74.   Renumber the Conway Bypass as "ALT US 501".
Or, if they insist on making an Interstate between Mt. Airy and Rockingham at least, they should make it a southern I-79, and the east-west portion I-3x (preferably 32, 34 or 36) as part of an Asheville-Charlotte-Wilmington Interstate. Fictional, I know, but it would make a lot more sense than what we have now.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on April 08, 2016, 08:28:09 PM
Keep in mind that the state nor AASHTO picked the Interstate numbers, that was the U.S. Congress.   :spin:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: I94RoadRunner on April 09, 2016, 03:39:50 PM
Yes and no. It is like I-26 - a 'diagonal' interstate. That is if the interstate in NC EVER gets connected to Cincinnati. Probably not in my lifetime. Come on WV, what is the hold up  :pan:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: I94RoadRunner on April 09, 2016, 03:42:37 PM
Well, I have a more positive feeling with the I-73/I-74 multiplex; in fact I traveled on it from Greensboro, NC to Ellerbe in 2007. I see what the feds are trying to do, but is US 52 in West Virginia from Huntington to Bluefield so congested that I-73/I-74 have to go through there? I also wonder why Ohio gave up on it. I think US 23 from the Ohio River to Findley, OH should be an interstate corridor. I really think I-73 should be on the US 29 corridor from Greensboro to Washington as a good alternate to I-95. Has the NCDOT decided on what to do with US 74?

I-83 was once considered for the US 29 corridor from Greensboro to Baltimore.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on April 09, 2016, 04:40:48 PM
I-83 was once considered for the US 29 corridor from Greensboro to Baltimore.
Was it? Or was that just one guy's proposal?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on April 09, 2016, 09:07:15 PM
I-83 was once considered for the US 29 corridor from Greensboro to Baltimore.
Was it? Or was that just one guy's proposal?

It was just a guy who posted to MTR on an annual basis that 83 should follow that route.  I think he did a webpage at one point.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on April 11, 2016, 11:24:00 AM
Yes, he did:
http://i-83ext.freehomepage.com

(Sorry, that page is down, apparently.)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on April 11, 2016, 12:58:27 PM
The most comprehensive study regarding improving the entirety of US 29 from NC to I-66 was done in 2009 and as far as I can tell they do not even float the idea of turning it into an interstate/freeway:
http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/lynchburg/route_29_corridor_study.asp

They even rejected two potential projects that would have been beneficial to an interstate upgrade in this document (road from I-64 near SR 616) north to Gordonsville then following US 15 corridor back to Culpeper and also a bypass of Buckland where a road from roughly VA 215 jct would go straight north to I-66:  http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/Culpeper/Route_29/Addendum-Route_29_Corridor_Study1.pdf


Mike
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on April 11, 2016, 06:57:08 PM
The most comprehensive study regarding improving the entirety of US 29 from NC to I-66 was done in 2009 and as far as I can tell they do not even float the idea of turning it into an interstate/freeway:
http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/lynchburg/route_29_corridor_study.asp

They even rejected two potential projects that would have been beneficial to an interstate upgrade in this document (road from I-64 near SR 616) north to Gordonsville then following US 15 corridor back to Culpeper and also a bypass of Buckland where a road from roughly VA 215 jct would go straight north to I-66:  http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/Culpeper/Route_29/Addendum-Route_29_Corridor_Study1.pdf

Mike
Thanks for this link; I hadn't seen this report before. It's interesting that it does call for continuous freeway from Danville past Lynchburg to Amherst. This could conceivably be an extended I-785. However, given the reluctance of Virginia to build I-73 from Martinsville to Roanoke, no one should expect them to build that interstate plus a parallel freeway along US 29 anytime in the next several decades.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on April 11, 2016, 08:34:53 PM
Yes, he did:
http://i-83ext.freehomepage.com

(Sorry, that page is down, apparently.)

Why does it not surprise me that you most likely had bookmarked that page. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on April 12, 2016, 12:13:12 PM
The most comprehensive study regarding improving the entirety of US 29 from NC to I-66 was done in 2009 and as far as I can tell they do not even float the idea of turning it into an interstate/freeway:
http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/lynchburg/route_29_corridor_study.asp

They even rejected two potential projects that would have been beneficial to an interstate upgrade in this document (road from I-64 near SR 616) north to Gordonsville then following US 15 corridor back to Culpeper and also a bypass of Buckland where a road from roughly VA 215 jct would go straight north to I-66:  http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/Culpeper/Route_29/Addendum-Route_29_Corridor_Study1.pdf

Mike
Thanks for this link; I hadn't seen this report before. It's interesting that it does call for continuous freeway from Danville past Lynchburg to Amherst. This could conceivably be an extended I-785. However, given the reluctance of Virginia to build I-73 from Martinsville to Roanoke, no one should expect them to build that interstate plus a parallel freeway along US 29 anytime in the next several decades.
The separate freeway sections are already in place, so it wouldn't exactly be too farfetched to build new connections where needed. As VA has apparently joined the No I-73 bandwagon, I think that it's safe to say it's dead outside the Carolinas. True, it may be east of I-77, but at least it's more tolerable than I-99 further north.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: briantroutman on April 12, 2016, 12:36:59 PM
Yes, he did:
http://i-83ext.freehomepage.com

(Sorry, that page is down, apparently.)

Why does it not surprise me that you most likely had bookmarked that page.

It is on the Internet Archive, however:
https://web.archive.org/web/20010802231110/http://www.i-83ext.freehomepage.com/interstate83.html
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on April 12, 2016, 08:51:18 PM
The separate freeway sections are already in place, so it wouldn't exactly be too farfetched to build new connections where needed. As VA has apparently joined the No I-73 bandwagon, I think that it's safe to say it's dead outside the Carolinas. True, it may be east of I-77, but at least it's more tolerable than I-99 further north.

Having no funds to build I-73 doesn't mean they are not in the bandwagon.  They are basically in the same boat as South Carolina, crazy about I-73 but don't want to pay for it. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 20, 2016, 10:51:38 PM
I have updated my I-74 Segment 4 page with several photos taken of construction of the future Business 40/Winston-Salem Outer Beltway interchange. Photos are here:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 04, 2016, 11:24:15 PM
Thanks to MazdaStrider, here is one of the new BGSs placed along Bryan Blvd. in anticipation of the completion of I-73 north of Greensboro later this year:
(http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4ms516a.JPG)

Another photo of the new PTI Airport exit sign with its future I-73 exit number is available on my I-73 Segment 4 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)

Based on sign plans given to MazdaStrider here are the future I-73 exit numbers from the PTI Airport exit north:
Exit 110 NC 68 South High Point
Exit 111 NC 68 North Oak Ridge
Exit 116 NC 150 Summerfield
Exit 119 US 220 South Greensboro
Exit 120 US 158 Stokesdale, Reidsville
Exit 122 NC 65 to NC 68 South
Exit 123 NC 68 South
I have updated my I-73 Exit List with this information.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 06, 2016, 01:16:42 AM
Hopefully this weekend,  I will get to drive around I-73 corridor and take pictures. I cannot wait to drive on I-73 once the connector from I-840 to NC 68 is completed this year.

Also, I forgot to mention that in Rockingham, NC area where they are upgrading that section of US 220, I remember looking at one of their MPO TIP for US 220 Rockingham Bypass, and there are exit lists proposed for that section:

Exit 22- US 220 South, Rockingham
Exit 20- Cartledge Creek Rd.
Exit 17- Blewitt Falls Rd.
Exit 15- US 74 West/Business US 74 East- Charlotte, Rockingham

I bet that other states realize how serious NCDOT is about building and extending I-73, they probably will finally do something about it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 06, 2016, 06:13:03 AM
I bet that other states realize how serious NCDOT is about building and extending I-73, they probably will finally do something about it.

I doubt that.  The town of Blacksburg cannot even convince VDOT to put an interchange on US 460 at the north end of the Blacksburg Bypass (http://www.roanoke.com/news/local/blacksburg/dangerous-intersection-with-u-s-needs-another-look-edwards-says/article_cba265f9-f002-58dd-9807-76d9d7f475ac.html).  (Note that VDOT still has not figured out the exact plan to get to Roanoke, if I remember correctly)

That is not even considering the cost of upgrading US 460 to interstate standards through Narrows, plus the planned Tolsia Highway and King Coal Highway along US 52 in WV is planned to have at-grade intersections.  (as others on the forum have mentioned before) 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 06, 2016, 08:09:04 AM
Hopefully this weekend,  I will get to drive around I-73 corridor and take pictures. I cannot wait to drive on I-73 once the connector from I-840 to NC 68 is completed this year.

Also, I forgot to mention that in Rockingham, NC area where they are upgrading that section of US 220, I remember looking at one of their MPO TIP for US 220 Rockingham Bypass, and there are exit lists proposed for that section:

Exit 22- US 220 South, Rockingham
Exit 20- Cartledge Creek Rd.
Exit 17- Blewitt Falls Rd.
Exit 15- US 74 West/Business US 74 East- Charlotte, Rockingham

I bet that other states realize how serious NCDOT is about building and extending I-73, they probably will finally do something about it.
I bet that other states realize how serious NCDOT is about building and extending I-73, they probably will finally do something about it.

I doubt that.  The town of Blacksburg cannot even convince VDOT to put an interchange on US 460 at the north end of the Blacksburg Bypass (http://www.roanoke.com/news/local/blacksburg/dangerous-intersection-with-u-s-needs-another-look-edwards-says/article_cba265f9-f002-58dd-9807-76d9d7f475ac.html).  (Note that VDOT still has not figured out the exact plan to get to Roanoke, if I remember correctly)

That is not even considering the cost of upgrading US 460 to interstate standards through Narrows, plus the planned Tolsia Highway and King Coal Highway along US 52 in WV is planned to have at-grade intersections.  (as others on the forum have mentioned before) 

Though I agree it will be decades for Virginia and elsewhere - however, if you read mtr posts from 15 years ago - no one thought I-69 would get done in Indiana along with other Interstate or even ARC (Corridor H) projects.  Political influence and overall needs change - for the good and bad.  I do think that in time 73 will at least make it from 81 to Myrtle Beach and 74 from Mount Airy to Myrtle Beack.  After that - i'll most likely be dead.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on May 06, 2016, 10:04:07 AM
The idea that OH, which has perfectly fine non-interstate four lanes that are where this 73 and 74 are supposed to be; or WV, which is flat broke and which would have to build 168 miles of interstate through the most mountainous and, frankly economic development potential free, places east of the Mississippi, all to save a whopping FOUR MILES in distance over the current existing 64 and 77 between 64 Exit 1 and 77 Exit 1, simply because NC is building roads which (mis) use the same numbers is not realistic. 

OH is happy as is.  WV will probably build a connector to the Prichard Intermodal facility and whatever the coal companies are willing to do with their current Tolsia deal and leave it at that.  Really it serves no purpose south of Prichard in WV whatsoever, WV has other (mostly equally quixotic) irons in the fire, and is just flat broke.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MazdaStrider on May 06, 2016, 11:12:42 AM
I bet that other states realize how serious NCDOT is about building and extending I-73, they probably will finally do something about it.

I doubt that.  The town of Blacksburg cannot even convince VDOT to put an interchange on US 460 at the north end of the Blacksburg Bypass (http://www.roanoke.com/news/local/blacksburg/dangerous-intersection-with-u-s-needs-another-look-edwards-says/article_cba265f9-f002-58dd-9807-76d9d7f475ac.html).  (Note that VDOT still has not figured out the exact plan to get to Roanoke, if I remember correctly)

That is not even considering the cost of upgrading US 460 to interstate standards through Narrows, plus the planned Tolsia Highway and King Coal Highway along US 52 in WV is planned to have at-grade intersections.  (as others on the forum have mentioned before)



If you are talking about I-73 from the state line to Roanoke, they already have a proposed routing.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 06, 2016, 11:29:48 AM
The idea that OH, which has perfectly fine non-interstate four lanes that are where this 73 and 74 are supposed to be; or WV, which is flat broke and which would have to build 168 miles of interstate through the most mountainous and, frankly economic development potential free, places east of the Mississippi, all to save a whopping FOUR MILES in distance over the current existing 64 and 77 between 64 Exit 1 and 77 Exit 1, simply because NC is building roads which (mis) use the same numbers is not realistic. 

OH is happy as is.  WV will probably build a connector to the Prichard Intermodal facility and whatever the coal companies are willing to do with their current Tolsia deal and leave it at that.  Really it serves no purpose south of Prichard in WV whatsoever, WV has other (mostly equally quixotic) irons in the fire, and is just flat broke.



Wasn't the 73/74 designations done legislatively?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on May 06, 2016, 04:39:39 PM
Wasn't the 73/74 designations done legislatively?
Yes, that is correct.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on May 06, 2016, 05:30:07 PM
I bet that other states realize how serious NCDOT is about building and extending I-73, they probably will finally do something about it.

I doubt that.  The town of Blacksburg cannot even convince VDOT to put an interchange on US 460 at the north end of the Blacksburg Bypass (http://www.roanoke.com/news/local/blacksburg/dangerous-intersection-with-u-s-needs-another-look-edwards-says/article_cba265f9-f002-58dd-9807-76d9d7f475ac.html).  (Note that VDOT still has not figured out the exact plan to get to Roanoke, if I remember correctly)

That is not even considering the cost of upgrading US 460 to interstate standards through Narrows, plus the planned Tolsia Highway and King Coal Highway along US 52 in WV is planned to have at-grade intersections.  (as others on the forum have mentioned before) 

When VDOT was considering running I-77 along the VA 100 and US 460 corridors to connect to the WV Tpk at Princeton, they had a tunnel planned in the Narrows area, so even then (1960) upgrading directly along 460 was deemed not an easy or cheap choice...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on May 06, 2016, 05:56:39 PM
http://www.journalnow.com/news/local/through-mud-or-dust-work-on-winston-salem-beltway-advances/article_dfb60fcd-ba92-5d4c-bf03-56292ddd487f.html


Good update article on I-74 Winston-Salem
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 06, 2016, 05:59:06 PM
Wasn't the 73/74 designations done legislatively?
Yes, that is correct.

So contrary to SP, NC is not mis-using the number I would gather?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 06, 2016, 06:50:24 PM
I bet that other states realize how serious NCDOT is about building and extending I-73, they probably will finally do something about it.

I wouldn't count on it. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see I-73 finished from Roanoke to Myrtle Beach. However, there's no political will or support for I-73 in VA except from the city leaders in Roanoke and Martinsville, who have been very vocal about wanting I-73 built, since it would run through some of the most economically depressed areas in the state, especially around Martinsville. Northern VA seems to rule the roost here, so unless there is major political change, I doubt I-73 will ever be built in VA. As far as I-73 in SC goes, I'll believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on May 06, 2016, 07:01:42 PM
I bet that other states realize how serious NCDOT is about building and extending I-73, they probably will finally do something about it.

I wouldn't count on it. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see I-73 finished from Roanoke to Myrtle Beach. However, there's no political will or support for I-73 in VA except from the city leaders in Roanoke and Martinsville, who have been very vocal about wanting I-73 built, since it would run through some of the most economically depressed areas in the state, especially around Martinsville. Northern VA seems to rule the roost here, so unless there is major political change, I doubt I-73 will ever be built in VA. As far as I-73 in SC goes, I'll believe it when I see it.

It would be nice to see built. Would offer an easy way to get to Myrtle Beach.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 06, 2016, 07:09:31 PM
I bet that other states realize how serious NCDOT is about building and extending I-73, they probably will finally do something about it.

I wouldn't count on it. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see I-73 finished from Roanoke to Myrtle Beach. However, there's no political will or support for I-73 in VA except from the city leaders in Roanoke and Martinsville, who have been very vocal about wanting I-73 built, since it would run through some of the most economically depressed areas in the state, especially around Martinsville. Northern VA seems to rule the roost here, so unless there is major political change, I doubt I-73 will ever be built in VA. As far as I-73 in SC goes, I'll believe it when I see it.

It would be nice to see built. Would offer an easy way to get to Myrtle Beach.

everything is in place - it's just SC politics in the way
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 07, 2016, 01:55:56 AM
I bet that other states realize how serious NCDOT is about building and extending I-73, they probably will finally do something about it.

I wouldn't count on it. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see I-73 finished from Roanoke to Myrtle Beach. However, there's no political will or support for I-73 in VA except from the city leaders in Roanoke and Martinsville, who have been very vocal about wanting I-73 built, since it would run through some of the most economically depressed areas in the state, especially around Martinsville. Northern VA seems to rule the roost here, so unless there is major political change, I doubt I-73 will ever be built in VA. As far as I-73 in SC goes, I'll believe it when I see it.


I-73 will be built. I have put a faith on it. Only from Roanoke to Myrtle Beach even if it takes 20+ years to get it done. Anything else is just a pipe dream.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on May 07, 2016, 07:12:10 AM
Wasn't the 73/74 designations done legislatively?
Yes, that is correct.

So contrary to SP, NC is not mis-using the number I would gather?

If a legislature calls a tail a leg, a dog still just has four legs.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Tom958 on May 08, 2016, 10:38:36 AM
Thanks to MazdaStrider, here is one of the new BGSs placed along Bryan Blvd. in anticipation of the completion of I-73 north of Greensboro later this year:
(http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4ms516a.JPG)


I decided to have a closer look at this area today, and I noticed that... originally, the onramp to westbound Bryan Boulevard from Fleming Road was built as a future auxiliary lane which would exit at the future offramp to 840 north. It was striped as an overlong but otherwise typical parallel onramp terminal. Then, just beyond where it ended, the taper for the decel lane for the loop offramp to 73-840 south began:

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1162367,-79.9050861,3a,75y,282.75h,76.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbGT1gOOQk1isQRdfODcTXQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Now, as the above photo shows, the auxiliary lane is being extended to connect to the decel lane, and... an additional auxiliary lane is being built outboard of that! That's why there's an exit only tab on the shrouded sign for the 840 north exit. I suppose there could be a capacity reason for doing this, but I suspect that the main reason is to provide enough room to allow the options to be signed comprehensibly. Wow.

Now I'm really curious as to how far back that extra lane begins.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 08, 2016, 12:13:00 PM
Thanks to MazdaStrider, here is one of the new BGSs placed along Bryan Blvd. in anticipation of the completion of I-73 north of Greensboro later this year:
(http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4ms516a.JPG)


I decided to have a closer look at this area today, and I noticed that... originally, the onramp to westbound Bryan Boulevard from Fleming Road was built as a future auxiliary lane which would exit at the future offramp to 840 north. It was striped as an overlong but otherwise typical parallel onramp terminal. Then, just beyond where it ended, the taper for the decel lane for the loop offramp to 73-840 south began:

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1162367,-79.9050861,3a,75y,282.75h,76.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbGT1gOOQk1isQRdfODcTXQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Now, as the above photo shows, the auxiliary lane is being extended to connect to the decel lane, and... an additional auxiliary lane is being built outboard of that! That's why there's an exit only tab on the shrouded sign for the 840 north exit. I suppose there could be a capacity reason for doing this, but I suspect that the main reason is to provide enough room to allow the options to be signed comprehensibly. Wow.

Now I'm really curious as to how far back that extra lane begins.


According to the signage plans I saw a couple of weeks ago surrounding this interchange, the auxiliary lane for 840 East was to begin when Bryan Blvd curves to meet the current photo you see.

There will be a few modifications made to this interchange just like one you observed.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 09, 2016, 01:03:38 PM
Thanks to Strider, I was able to get hold of images of the new exit signs that will be going up along I-73 north of the PTI Airport. Here's signage related to the 2 NC 68 exits:
(http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4signs05.JPG)

All the images are on their appropriate I-73 Segment pages, starting with Segment 2:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on May 10, 2016, 06:36:37 AM
I notice some NC 220 shields on the first image of the segment 2 page...wonder if the contractor will dutifully install them because they're shown that way...?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on May 10, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
I say that was a mistake. Lots of routes get signed with the wrong shields, so I wouldn't be surprised if they put them up.
(http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2nc68exitplan.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 10, 2016, 10:56:57 AM
Strider was kind enough to forward photos he took of I-73 construction north of Greensboro, and the appearance of this Future I-73 sign on US 220 North:
(http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2str516e.jpg)

All the images are available either on my I-73 Segment 2 and 3:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html) or
Segment 4 pages:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 10, 2016, 11:52:16 AM
Nice to see I-73 coming along. Are there any more projects scheduled for I-73 towards VA or is NCDOT waiting to see if VA is actually going to build their part from the state line to US-58 in Martinsville first before spending any more money on an interstate that won't likely cross state lines anytime soon?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MazdaStrider on May 10, 2016, 02:11:18 PM
Nice to see I-73 coming along. Are there any more projects scheduled for I-73 towards VA or is NCDOT waiting to see if VA is actually going to build their part from the state line to US-58 in Martinsville first before spending any more money on an interstate that won't likely cross state lines anytime soon?



I believe NCDOT is waiting for VDOT to start something on their part, but they have it listed as under construction after 2025, however.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on May 10, 2016, 03:09:11 PM
Nice to see I-73 coming along. Are there any more projects scheduled for I-73 towards VA or is NCDOT waiting to see if VA is actually going to build their part from the state line to US-58 in Martinsville first before spending any more money on an interstate that won't likely cross state lines anytime soon?

The current STIP has a bridge replacement over Norfolk-Southern Railway in 2018 (#B-5352) and an interchange widening at US 311/NC 135 in 2022 (#I-5898). 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 10, 2016, 07:22:27 PM
Thanks for the info, guys. So, once the new terrain I-73 opens from Bryan Blvd. to US-220 north of Greensboro, the rest of the corridor to VA is just upgrading US-220, correct? Also, I found the latest (dated 2012) I-73 VA corridor map for anybody interested. Apologies in advance if this has already been posted.

(http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/Salem/I-73_Map_December_2012.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 10, 2016, 07:27:27 PM
Thanks for the info, guys. So, once the new terrain I-73 opens from Bryan Blvd. to US-220 north of Greensboro, the rest of the corridor to VA is just upgrading US-220, correct? Also, I found the latest (dated 2012) I-73 VA corridor map for anybody interested. Apologies in advance if this has already been posted.

(http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/Salem/I-73_Map_December_2012.jpg)

Pretty much yes - and as Mark suggested - the upgrades will be piecemeal for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on May 10, 2016, 10:19:52 PM
So...a little of Virginia's I-73 is open (perhaps not up to interstate standards) on the Martinsville bypass. Plus, of course, the I-581/US 220 freeway through Roanoke.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 10, 2016, 10:42:15 PM
So...a little of Virginia's I-73 is open (perhaps not up to interstate standards) on the Martinsville bypass. Plus, of course, the I-581/US 220 freeway through Roanoke.


Yeah you are correct, a little of Virginia's I-73 is open from what you just mentioned. So VA only have to construct I-73 from NC line to US 58 bypass, and then from US 58 bypass to where I-581/US 220 freeway begins.

I just looked at Google Maps, the Martinsville Bypass (the US 58 section east of the town) is not up to interstate standards, so they're going to have to upgrade that section.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on May 11, 2016, 07:02:51 AM
"So VA only has to build..."

The Oct 2012 cost estimate for building I-73 from Roanoke to NC was $4 billion...

Virginia's FY 2016 budget for VDOT is $5.3 billion.  So unless Congress drops a ton of gold bricks on this project, Virginia won't be getting around to this very soon based on its actual need for this highway versus pressing needs statewide, such as getting around to replacing literally hundreds of bridges that are 70+ years old. 

My guess is that VDOT might build the piece from NC to US 58 first once NC gets I-73 closer to Virginia, although 2015 AADT of US 220 south of the Martinsville Bypass tops out at just 19k.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on May 11, 2016, 09:04:48 AM
"So VA only has to build..."

The Oct 2012 cost estimate for building I-73 from Roanoke to NC was $4 billion...

Virginia's FY 2016 budget for VDOT is $5.3 billion.  So unless Congress drops a ton of gold bricks on this project, Virginia won't be getting around to this very soon based on its actual need for this highway versus pressing needs statewide, such as getting around to replacing literally hundreds of bridges that are 70+ years old. 

My guess is that VDOT might build the piece from NC to US 58 first once NC gets I-73 closer to Virginia, although 2015 AADT of US 220 south of the Martinsville Bypass tops out at just 19k.

That's the problem with both Virginia and South Carolina, they know the price tag for the whole project and it frightens them from actually building it.  They should take notes from North Carolina, who has broken up the project into many smaller projects that suddenly become stretches of interstate.  Virginia could start with the state line to Martinsville and get the ball rolling.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 11, 2016, 11:27:55 AM
"So VA only has to build..."

The Oct 2012 cost estimate for building I-73 from Roanoke to NC was $4 billion...

Virginia's FY 2016 budget for VDOT is $5.3 billion.  So unless Congress drops a ton of gold bricks on this project, Virginia won't be getting around to this very soon based on its actual need for this highway versus pressing needs statewide, such as getting around to replacing literally hundreds of bridges that are 70+ years old. 

My guess is that VDOT might build the piece from NC to US 58 first once NC gets I-73 closer to Virginia, although 2015 AADT of US 220 south of the Martinsville Bypass tops out at just 19k.

That's the problem with both Virginia and South Carolina, they know the price tag for the whole project and it frightens them from actually building it.  They should take notes from North Carolina, who has broken up the project into many smaller projects that suddenly become stretches of interstate.  Virginia could start with the state line to Martinsville and get the ball rolling.

Well, here's the latest news I could find about I-73 in VA. I'll be surprised if VDOT even breaks ground within the next 10 years.

http://www.martinsvillebulletin.com/news/i--project-s-scoring-called-into-question/article_4f684cde-7dea-11e5-9419-5bfe63f88816.html (http://www.martinsvillebulletin.com/news/i--project-s-scoring-called-into-question/article_4f684cde-7dea-11e5-9419-5bfe63f88816.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MazdaStrider on May 11, 2016, 12:31:29 PM
"So VA only has to build..."

The Oct 2012 cost estimate for building I-73 from Roanoke to NC was $4 billion...

Virginia's FY 2016 budget for VDOT is $5.3 billion.  So unless Congress drops a ton of gold bricks on this project, Virginia won't be getting around to this very soon based on its actual need for this highway versus pressing needs statewide, such as getting around to replacing literally hundreds of bridges that are 70+ years old. 

My guess is that VDOT might build the piece from NC to US 58 first once NC gets I-73 closer to Virginia, although 2015 AADT of US 220 south of the Martinsville Bypass tops out at just 19k.

That's the problem with both Virginia and South Carolina, they know the price tag for the whole project and it frightens them from actually building it.  They should take notes from North Carolina, who has broken up the project into many smaller projects that suddenly become stretches of interstate.  Virginia could start with the state line to Martinsville and get the ball rolling.


Agreed. instead of having to build the whole thing, they can break up the project in many smaller projects. That would have made sense. Didn't SC already have a smaller project from I-95 to US 501 to be constructed first? if so, what happened to that?

I always believe that SCDOT should build I-73 from NC line to I-95 first to ensure a connection to a major interstate.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on May 11, 2016, 12:57:18 PM
"So VA only has to build..."

The Oct 2012 cost estimate for building I-73 from Roanoke to NC was $4 billion...

Virginia's FY 2016 budget for VDOT is $5.3 billion.  So unless Congress drops a ton of gold bricks on this project, Virginia won't be getting around to this very soon based on its actual need for this highway versus pressing needs statewide, such as getting around to replacing literally hundreds of bridges that are 70+ years old. 

My guess is that VDOT might build the piece from NC to US 58 first once NC gets I-73 closer to Virginia, although 2015 AADT of US 220 south of the Martinsville Bypass tops out at just 19k.

That's the problem with both Virginia and South Carolina, they know the price tag for the whole project and it frightens them from actually building it.  They should take notes from North Carolina, who has broken up the project into many smaller projects that suddenly become stretches of interstate.  Virginia could start with the state line to Martinsville and get the ball rolling.
Or maybe North Carolina can stop spamming unneeded interstates.  They're the ONLY state that cares about either I-73 or I-74, which tells me that those roads are nothing more than wasteful pork.  They can always use US and state route numbers for their freeways if they honestly feel the need to build that many.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 11, 2016, 01:08:19 PM
"So VA only has to build..."

The Oct 2012 cost estimate for building I-73 from Roanoke to NC was $4 billion...

Virginia's FY 2016 budget for VDOT is $5.3 billion.  So unless Congress drops a ton of gold bricks on this project, Virginia won't be getting around to this very soon based on its actual need for this highway versus pressing needs statewide, such as getting around to replacing literally hundreds of bridges that are 70+ years old. 

My guess is that VDOT might build the piece from NC to US 58 first once NC gets I-73 closer to Virginia, although 2015 AADT of US 220 south of the Martinsville Bypass tops out at just 19k.

That's the problem with both Virginia and South Carolina, they know the price tag for the whole project and it frightens them from actually building it.  They should take notes from North Carolina, who has broken up the project into many smaller projects that suddenly become stretches of interstate.  Virginia could start with the state line to Martinsville and get the ball rolling.
Or maybe North Carolina can stop spamming unneeded interstates.  They're the ONLY state that cares about either I-73 or I-74, which tells me that those roads are nothing more than wasteful pork.  They can always use US and state route numbers for their freeways if they honestly feel the need to build that many.

If the road meets interstate standards and can be added/bolted on to the network - why not?  Reasons like above: read: "wah, I don't like it"

Please give me a reason why a road that meets or will meet standards and connects to the network should not be part of the Interstate system.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 11, 2016, 01:09:24 PM
"So VA only has to build..."

The Oct 2012 cost estimate for building I-73 from Roanoke to NC was $4 billion...

Virginia's FY 2016 budget for VDOT is $5.3 billion.  So unless Congress drops a ton of gold bricks on this project, Virginia won't be getting around to this very soon based on its actual need for this highway versus pressing needs statewide, such as getting around to replacing literally hundreds of bridges that are 70+ years old. 

My guess is that VDOT might build the piece from NC to US 58 first once NC gets I-73 closer to Virginia, although 2015 AADT of US 220 south of the Martinsville Bypass tops out at just 19k.

That's the problem with both Virginia and South Carolina, they know the price tag for the whole project and it frightens them from actually building it.  They should take notes from North Carolina, who has broken up the project into many smaller projects that suddenly become stretches of interstate.  Virginia could start with the state line to Martinsville and get the ball rolling.


Agreed. instead of having to build the whole thing, they can break up the project in many smaller projects. That would have made sense. Didn't SC already have a smaller project from I-95 to US 501 to be constructed first? if so, what happened to that?

I always believe that SCDOT should build I-73 from NC line to I-95 first to ensure a connection to a major interstate.
"So VA only has to build..."

The Oct 2012 cost estimate for building I-73 from Roanoke to NC was $4 billion...

Virginia's FY 2016 budget for VDOT is $5.3 billion.  So unless Congress drops a ton of gold bricks on this project, Virginia won't be getting around to this very soon based on its actual need for this highway versus pressing needs statewide, such as getting around to replacing literally hundreds of bridges that are 70+ years old. 

My guess is that VDOT might build the piece from NC to US 58 first once NC gets I-73 closer to Virginia, although 2015 AADT of US 220 south of the Martinsville Bypass tops out at just 19k.

That's the problem with both Virginia and South Carolina, they know the price tag for the whole project and it frightens them from actually building it.  They should take notes from North Carolina, who has broken up the project into many smaller projects that suddenly become stretches of interstate.  Virginia could start with the state line to Martinsville and get the ball rolling.

Best way to eat an elephant? One small bite at a time
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on May 11, 2016, 01:14:52 PM


Agreed. instead of having to build the whole thing, they can break up the project in many smaller projects. That would have made sense. Didn't SC already have a smaller project from I-95 to US 501 to be constructed first? if so, what happened to that?

I always believe that SCDOT should build I-73 from NC line to I-95 first to ensure a connection to a major interstate.

Virginia does do this...for projects that have some priority such as upgrading US 58 across the bottom of Virginia, which will have taken about 30 years after they first started doing it as a specific goal.  Virginia spent nearly 20 years not investing in any highway infrastructure once they 4-laned a lot of the US routes in the 70s-80s.  They got to the point where the budget wasn't even enough to keep up with maintenance of existing stuff.

The 2016 budget is a 20% increase over 2015 so that maybe some real improvements can be made on stuff.  But they have to prioritize based on need.  I-73 is a nice-to-have but not a got-to-have when compared to stuff needed in Hampton Roads and Northern Virginia.

I see that NCDOT's budget is substantially less than VDOT's now.  How does NCDOT get the $ to steadily build these new freeway segments?  Does it come at the expense of doing almost nothing else?  Does it come through substantial borrowing?

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on May 11, 2016, 01:59:04 PM
"So VA only has to build..."

The Oct 2012 cost estimate for building I-73 from Roanoke to NC was $4 billion...

Virginia's FY 2016 budget for VDOT is $5.3 billion.  So unless Congress drops a ton of gold bricks on this project, Virginia won't be getting around to this very soon based on its actual need for this highway versus pressing needs statewide, such as getting around to replacing literally hundreds of bridges that are 70+ years old. 

My guess is that VDOT might build the piece from NC to US 58 first once NC gets I-73 closer to Virginia, although 2015 AADT of US 220 south of the Martinsville Bypass tops out at just 19k.

That's the problem with both Virginia and South Carolina, they know the price tag for the whole project and it frightens them from actually building it.  They should take notes from North Carolina, who has broken up the project into many smaller projects that suddenly become stretches of interstate.  Virginia could start with the state line to Martinsville and get the ball rolling.
Or maybe North Carolina can stop spamming unneeded interstates.  They're the ONLY state that cares about either I-73 or I-74, which tells me that those roads are nothing more than wasteful pork.  They can always use US and state route numbers for their freeways if they honestly feel the need to build that many.

If the road meets interstate standards and can be added/bolted on to the network - why not?  Reasons like above: read: "wah, I don't like it"

Please give me a reason why a road that meets or will meet standards and connects to the network should not be part of the Interstate system.
They should also be a logical addition, which to me would be connecting an area that currently is not (3di) or serving a major corridor that was left out and is a "hole" in the system (2di or 3di, depending on length).

An interstate isn't just a route that happens to meet some standards and have a certain shield.  It's a component in a larger, grander, and (ideally) orderly system of roadways efficiently forming the backbone of car/truck transportation in this country.  Also, I ABHOR duplicating 2dis; I consider the existing ones to be abominations and hate attempts to make more, so I-74 rubs me the wrong way.  I-73 I don't care as much about, but the portions that don't overlap I-74 are small enough to be 3dis (plus the proposed overlap with I-75 to Canada makes me want to throw up).  Heck, there are even proposed routes serving corridors that already have a SHORTER existing route (ever hear of Continental 1?).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 11, 2016, 02:03:39 PM
Let me get this straight you dislike duplication and want to adhere to the grid?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on May 11, 2016, 02:12:00 PM
I never said anything about the grid (the complaint about the I-73/I-75 overlap is because I hate useless overlaps), though I do prefer to preserve the spirit of it, but don't care about minor bends where needed (no to I-3 in Georgia, but yes to I-99 if it ever gets built in full; if not, decommission, or renumber as a 3di if either the interchange at I-76 or I-80 is ever redone), but yes, I DESPISE 2di duplication.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 11, 2016, 03:18:36 PM
Didn't SC already have a smaller project from I-95 to US 501 to be constructed first? if so, what happened to that?

Politics happened. 

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/politics/2016/02/18/senator-throws-monkey-wrench--73/80548832/ (http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/politics/2016/02/18/senator-throws-monkey-wrench--73/80548832/)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 11, 2016, 03:30:46 PM
"So VA only has to build..."

The Oct 2012 cost estimate for building I-73 from Roanoke to NC was $4 billion...

Virginia's FY 2016 budget for VDOT is $5.3 billion.  So unless Congress drops a ton of gold bricks on this project, Virginia won't be getting around to this very soon based on its actual need for this highway versus pressing needs statewide, such as getting around to replacing literally hundreds of bridges that are 70+ years old. 

My guess is that VDOT might build the piece from NC to US 58 first once NC gets I-73 closer to Virginia, although 2015 AADT of US 220 south of the Martinsville Bypass tops out at just 19k.

That's the problem with both Virginia and South Carolina, they know the price tag for the whole project and it frightens them from actually building it.  They should take notes from North Carolina, who has broken up the project into many smaller projects that suddenly become stretches of interstate.  Virginia could start with the state line to Martinsville and get the ball rolling.
Or maybe North Carolina can stop spamming unneeded interstates.  They're the ONLY state that cares about either I-73 or I-74, which tells me that those roads are nothing more than wasteful pork.  They can always use US and state route numbers for their freeways if they honestly feel the need to build that many.


Wrong. NC is not the only state. VA and SC does. (politics delayed the construction in VA and SC due to no money). Get your facts right.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Jmiles32 on May 11, 2016, 03:39:24 PM
Regarding I-73 I can understand why VA has broken ground yet as it is 4 billion to build ONLY up to Roanoke. Widening I-81 and 220 would be just as beneficial and a lot cheaper. As for SC,  I-73 would finally be an intereste connection to Myrtle Beach which SC desperately needs so honestly not really sure why this road isn't already built there. Get on it SC!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 11, 2016, 05:52:18 PM


Agreed. instead of having to build the whole thing, they can break up the project in many smaller projects. That would have made sense. Didn't SC already have a smaller project from I-95 to US 501 to be constructed first? if so, what happened to that?

I always believe that SCDOT should build I-73 from NC line to I-95 first to ensure a connection to a major interstate.

Virginia does do this...for projects that have some priority such as upgrading US 58 across the bottom of Virginia, which will have taken about 30 years after they first started doing it as a specific goal.  Virginia spent nearly 20 years not investing in any highway infrastructure once they 4-laned a lot of the US routes in the 70s-80s.  They got to the point where the budget wasn't even enough to keep up with maintenance of existing stuff.

The 2016 budget is a 20% increase over 2015 so that maybe some real improvements can be made on stuff.  But they have to prioritize based on need.  I-73 is a nice-to-have but not a got-to-have when compared to stuff needed in Hampton Roads and Northern Virginia.

I see that NCDOT's budget is substantially less than VDOT's now.  How does NCDOT get the $ to steadily build these new freeway segments?  Does it come at the expense of doing almost nothing else?  Does it come through substantial borrowing?

That is a super-interesting question.  I had an internship for NCDOT in 2013, and I remember that south of Raleigh and Garner there were many two-lane roads (NC 55 and US 401 being the major exceptions) that seemed to be super-congested (mostly where NC 540 has not been built).  (I was temporarily living on NC 50 just north of NC 42, and traffic on NC 50 coming home was brutal coming south of Garner.  (the congestion on I-40 from I-440/US 64 (Exit 301) to the US 70/Fut I-36? Clayton Bypass (Exit 309) did not help for the record.)

I never said anything about the grid (the complaint about the I-73/I-75 overlap is because I hate useless overlaps), though I do prefer to preserve the spirit of it, but don't care about minor bends where needed (no to I-3 in Georgia, but yes to I-99 if it ever gets built in full; if not, decommission, or renumber as a 3di if either the interchange at I-76 or I-80 is ever redone), but yes, I DESPISE 2di duplication.

I think that more states should follow Maryland's example with leaving I-595 unsigned, but I think the real problem here is that politicians seem to falsely believe that the interstate shield itself automatically brings economic development and gets people and truckers to drive the interstate over other routes.  (where in the case of Future I-89 those that completely follow the GPS would most likely still use I-95 to US 58 (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Raleigh,+NC/Norfolk,+VA/@36.3077187,-78.0233606,9z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89ac5a2f9f51e0f7:0x6790b6528a11f0ad!2m2!1d-78.6381787!2d35.7795897!1m5!1m1!1s0x89ba973a5322ca45:0xab99107fce7a1e0a!2m2!1d-76.2858726!2d36.8507689!3e0) from Rocky Mount to Norfolk instead of US 64 and US 17 (Fut I-89?) (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Raleigh,+NC/Norfolk,+VA/@35.8520652,-77.5749952,9z/data=!4m19!4m18!1m10!1m1!1s0x89ac5a2f9f51e0f7:0x6790b6528a11f0ad!2m2!1d-78.6381787!2d35.7795897!3m4!1m2!1d-77.0577818!2d35.8284376!3s0x89af0687139ecf43:0x1dad0f4f3ce56c13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89ba973a5322ca45:0xab99107fce7a1e0a!2m2!1d-76.2858726!2d36.8507689!3e0)).  I also remember Google maps stating that Greensboro to Blacksburg (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Greensboro,+NC/Blacksburg,+VA/@36.6889761,-80.9149031,9z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x8853193f38c77b79:0x93b9c49478be12c8!2m2!1d-79.7919754!2d36.0726354!1m5!1m1!1s0x884d950adc06dcc3:0x86ceb8ea4842da2d!2m2!1d-80.4139393!2d37.2295733!3e0) was faster via Winston-Salem and Mt Airy (I-40 to US 52/Fut I-74 to I-74 to I-77 to I-81 to US 460) than Roanoke (US 220/Fut I-73 to I-81). This of course only applies if I-73 gets to Blacksburg but that is beside the point.  (note that when I put this in during rush hour affecting the times which is why VA 8 may be shown as the fastest)

Of course, I would not say I am against new interstates necessarily either, but I do agree with Valerie that the value of the interstate system is being diluted.  (similar to having the first round of the NBA playoffs, expansion of the MLB and NFL Playoffs, all which make the regular season less important in the grand scheme of things)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on May 11, 2016, 06:14:58 PM
Regarding I-73 I can understand why VA has broken ground yet as it is 4 billion to build ONLY up to Roanoke. Widening I-81 and 220 would be just as beneficial and a lot cheaper. As for SC,  I-73 would finally be an intereste connection to Myrtle Beach which SC desperately needs so honestly not really sure why this road isn't already built there. Get on it SC!
That connection strikes me as being more logically an extension of I-20.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 11, 2016, 06:33:23 PM
(where in the case of Future I-89 those that completely follow the GPS would most likely still use I-95 to US 58 (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Raleigh,+NC/Norfolk,+VA/@36.3077187,-78.0233606,9z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89ac5a2f9f51e0f7:0x6790b6528a11f0ad!2m2!1d-78.6381787!2d35.7795897!1m5!1m1!1s0x89ba973a5322ca45:0xab99107fce7a1e0a!2m2!1d-76.2858726!2d36.8507689!3e0) from Rocky Mount to Norfolk instead of US 64 and US 17 (Fut I-89?) (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Raleigh,+NC/Norfolk,+VA/@35.8520652,-77.5749952,9z/data=!4m19!4m18!1m10!1m1!1s0x89ac5a2f9f51e0f7:0x6790b6528a11f0ad!2m2!1d-78.6381787!2d35.7795897!3m4!1m2!1d-77.0577818!2d35.8284376!3s0x89af0687139ecf43:0x1dad0f4f3ce56c13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89ba973a5322ca45:0xab99107fce7a1e0a!2m2!1d-76.2858726!2d36.8507689!3e0)).

Yeah, but the Future I-89 route avoids the US-58 speed traps.  :spin:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on May 11, 2016, 07:20:16 PM
Or maybe North Carolina can stop spamming unneeded interstates.  They're the ONLY state that cares about either I-73 or I-74, which tells me that those roads are nothing more than wasteful pork.  They can always use US and state route numbers for their freeways if they honestly feel the need to build that many.

North Carolina has spent a great many years and a great many dollars developing a freeway system that reaches every part of the state. These freeways certainly aren't "unneeded." I-73 and I-74 are important parts of this system, addressing the central and southeastern parts of the state. Furthermore, they aren't abstract lines on the map (like a lot of I-69), they are real roads that are being built and will be completed. The proposed I-36 and I-89 similarly address the eastern and northeastern parts of the state. I-36 is being built, and a large part of I-89 is already built although it needs some upgrading to full interstate standards.

It would be great to have a national study identifying the gaps in the interstate system, but it wouldn't be of much use unless Congress was willing to put some new funds into filling those gaps. Failing that, states are largely on their own to plan and build improvements to the system. Some states don't want to make any expansion, and some do (Kentucky, Arkansas,...). IMHO the ones that do shouldn't pay any attention to criticism from the ones that don't. Keep building.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Jmiles32 on May 11, 2016, 07:48:26 PM
Or maybe North Carolina can stop spamming unneeded interstates.  They're the ONLY state that cares about either I-73 or I-74, which tells me that those roads are nothing more than wasteful pork.  They can always use US and state route numbers for their freeways if they honestly feel the need to build that many.

North Carolina has spent a great many years and a great many dollars developing a freeway system that reaches every part of the state. These freeways certainly aren't "unneeded." I-73 and I-74 are important parts of this system, addressing the central and southeastern parts of the state. Furthermore, they aren't abstract lines on the map (like a lot of I-69), they are real roads that are being built and will be completed. The proposed I-36 and I-89 similarly address the eastern and northeastern parts of the state. I-36 is being built, and a large part of I-89 is already built although it needs some upgrading to full interstate standards.

It would be great to have a national study identifying the gaps in the interstate system, but it wouldn't be of much use unless Congress was willing to put some new funds into filling those gaps. Failing that, states are largely on their own to plan and build improvements to the system. Some states don't want to make any expansion, and some do (Kentucky, Arkansas,...). IMHO the ones that do shouldn't pay any attention to criticism from the ones that don't. Keep building.


Yes but it is equally as important to actually finish these new interstates, not just saying your going to build them to trick businesses into locating in the economically depressed areas of your state.
Believe me I am all for new interstates, but let's actually finish them.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on May 11, 2016, 08:21:48 PM


That connection strikes me as being more logically an extension of I-20.


SC tried to get federal money to specifically do this in 1986 but was not successful.

Given that Myrtle Beach is visited by many people from up north including a large Canadian presence, an expressway route from the northwest makes some sense and they're not that far from it now with SC 22, US 501, and SC 38.

North Carolina is definitely a big believer in the interstate shield meaning something.  Otherwise they wouldn't be going to the trouble of converting so many already-existing freeways that while some are not technically built to a modern interstate standard are plenty modern enough to function as through freeways.  So I might question the need to spend $ to upgrade existing freeways that are perfectly fine, while substandard interstates like I-95 and I-40 west of Hickory don't get very much love.

As a thought exercise I tried to eliminate the need for interstate numbering entirely and just move the US route number onto it and only a handful of new US route numbers (or extensions) would've been needed to cover the entirety of the 2di network.

No matter what grid you dream up for any sort of highway system on any level, it will eventually have to be violated (some states' original grid systems were obsolete quite early: NC by the early 1930s, Virginia by 1928).  But a grid system is not necessary for the motoring public.  Plenty of states have no discernible primary grid system and people seem to get around. Well except for the NCDOT commenters who would I guess when trying to use I-44 leaving Raleigh would wonder how many times they have to drive by Garner before they reach Norfolk.

It's rules like the US routes can't be intrastate that make no sense to me.  It's a system.  Some logical connections within that system necessarily must be within the boundaries of a state.  It certainly wouldn't make sense if that rule were on the state level - that all state routes must cross a county line.  And if connections on the interstate system (i.e. 3di's) can be comically short, what's the difference?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on May 12, 2016, 03:56:22 PM
Furthermore, they aren't abstract lines on the map (like a lot of I-69), they are real roads that are being built and will be completed.
Not outside of NC they aren't.  I-73 and I-74 will NEVER EVER be built in WV and OH, and I'm not holding my breath on VA and SC (though I expect SC will get to it eventually).  The two I-74s will NEVER connect, and that doesn't sit well with me.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on May 12, 2016, 04:01:42 PM
In Fictional Highways, 73 and 74 can be renumbered easily. In the real world, however, the two numbers are set in stone.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 12, 2016, 04:35:23 PM
Furthermore, they aren't abstract lines on the map (like a lot of I-69), they are real roads that are being built and will be completed.
Not outside of NC they aren't.  I-73 and I-74 will NEVER EVER be built in WV and OH, and I'm not holding my breath on VA and SC (though I expect SC will get to it eventually).  The two I-74s will NEVER connect, and that doesn't sit well with me.



They will get built in WV and OH. They are not in a hurry to get it all done. Never say never. If you don't like it.. don't comment. Again, this is Congress' ideas, not the states. get over it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Thing 342 on May 12, 2016, 05:05:21 PM
Furthermore, they aren't abstract lines on the map (like a lot of I-69), they are real roads that are being built and will be completed.
Not outside of NC they aren't.  I-73 and I-74 will NEVER EVER be built in WV and OH, and I'm not holding my breath on VA and SC (though I expect SC will get to it eventually).  The two I-74s will NEVER connect, and that doesn't sit well with me.
They will get built in WV and OH. They are not in a hurry to get it all done. Never say never. If you don't like it.. don't comment. Again, this is Congress' ideas, not the states. get over it.
Except that Congress has no power over state DOTs, with the exception of FHWA money (which was used to enforce mandatory seatbelts, drinking age 21, and the NMSL, not pet projects) that I'd very much doubt they'd pull over such a trivial matter. Congress may have ideas (insert political joke here), but they won't be implemented if the states affected aren't on board. Unless there is some sort of sea change in OH, WV, and MI, I-73/74 are not getting built there.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on May 12, 2016, 05:22:41 PM
Not outside of NC they aren't.  I-73 and I-74 will NEVER EVER be built in WV and OH, and I'm not holding my breath on VA and SC (though I expect SC will get to it eventually).  The two I-74s will NEVER connect, and that doesn't sit well with me.

I agree with you concerning I-74. I-73 is a good enough idea that it might be built eventually.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 12, 2016, 05:50:18 PM
Not outside of NC they aren't.  I-73 and I-74 will NEVER EVER be built in WV and OH, and I'm not holding my breath on VA and SC (though I expect SC will get to it eventually).  The two I-74s will NEVER connect, and that doesn't sit well with me.

I agree with you concerning I-74. I-73 is a good enough idea that it might be built eventually.


Yea, I am not worried about I-74 (not a fan of the routing) but I-73 will be extended.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 12, 2016, 07:42:19 PM
Furthermore, they aren't abstract lines on the map (like a lot of I-69), they are real roads that are being built and will be completed.
Not outside of NC they aren't.  I-73 and I-74 will NEVER EVER be built in WV and OH, and I'm not holding my breath on VA and SC (though I expect SC will get to it eventually).  The two I-74s will NEVER connect, and that doesn't sit well with me.



They will get built in WV and OH. They are not in a hurry to get it all done. Never say never. If you don't like it.. don't comment. Again, this is Congress' ideas, not the states. get over it.

I thought WV, OH and MI flat out said they had no intention of building I-73 or I-74? Am I missing something? :confused:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on May 12, 2016, 08:05:22 PM
I thought WV, OH and MI flat out said they had no intention of building I-73 or I-74? Am I missing something? :confused:

You are right about Michigan and Ohio, but they can always change in the future, just depends who's the Governor and if they care. 

As for West Virginia, they are not exactly saying no to the interstates; currently the King Coal Highway has several divided four-lane sections and they keep extending it when they can.  It's not at "full" freeway grade, but it is an expressway that can be upgraded in future.  Currently it takes time and money to cut through mountains to build a road, which they are doing but slowly.  When they hit critical mass, they will likely re-designate US 52 into I-73/I-74.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 12, 2016, 09:03:04 PM

They should also be a logical addition, which to me would be connecting an area that currently is not (3di) or serving a major corridor that was left out and is a "hole" in the system (2di or 3di, depending on length).

An interstate isn't just a route that happens to meet some standards and have a certain shield.  It's a component in a larger, grander, and (ideally) orderly system of roadways efficiently forming the backbone of car/truck transportation in this country.

I've deleted the personal emotions of your reply and wanted to focus on specifically this.

Valerie:

I find it interesting that you agree that there is an overall larger network in play here but you then say an "ideally" orderly system.  You are assuming that all things are equal aren't you?  Obviously the demographics - specifically population centers - of this country has changed since the 1950s.  Additionally, there are geographic constraints to go along with it.   Further, aren't you somewhat contradicting yourself when you want an "ideally" orderly system.  What is an ideal system - and for that to happen you will have to have some trade-offs.

You said it should be a logical addition to the system.  Is not the Port of Morehead City (albeit small) and Seymour Johnson Air Force Base a key part of our transportation, defense, and supply chain network?  is not the Raleigh/Norfolk Corridor (you can debate 58 vs 64/13/17 sure) a key part as well.  After all goods and materials do come in and out of the Port of Norfolk to the South and southwest.

North Carolina has changed a lot in the last sixty years - wow we're up to sixty years for the Interstate System now - there are still some heavily rural areas and the industries of tobacco and textiles are unfortunately not what they were.  But Charlotte, Raleigh and durham, Greensboro and Winston-Salem have grown rapidly.

Was I-40 to Wilmington a bad extension?  Was the conversion of US 23 to Interstate standards connecting I-26 and the Port of Charleston to the I-81/40 corridors an example of a lack of respect to the orderly system?   Is some redundancy in the system a bad thing?

You are exactly right that this is a nationwide network that is the backbone of our transportation and commerce.  Is it not a good thing to try to meet those standards and include them into the Interstate System if the rotues can connect directly onto the existing system?  The country is not just limited to population centers.  There are numerous types of industries with manufacturing locations , distribution centers all throughout this company.  Large and small.  The amount of goods and materials shipped in either full truckload or less than truck load carriers is amazing.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on May 12, 2016, 11:19:36 PM
Well, regardless of what the other states may or may not do, I-73 is alive and well in NC. NCDOT is even opening a new diverging diamond interchange this weekend in Greensboro:
http://www.twcnews.com/nc/triad/news/2016/05/12/greensboro-gets-its-first-diverging-diamond-interchange.html (http://www.twcnews.com/nc/triad/news/2016/05/12/greensboro-gets-its-first-diverging-diamond-interchange.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: roadman65 on May 12, 2016, 11:26:03 PM
My opinion is that if VDOT does build their end of it, the freeway would just end in Roanoke and have its northern terminus at I-81 where I-581 currently ends. 

At least it going there would do some good for motorists, even if SCDOT won't build their end from the State Line south of Rockingham to Myrtle Beach.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on May 13, 2016, 09:42:02 AM
RE: US 52 in WV. 

US 52 received substantial upgrades in the early 1970s.  Many sections, particularly the part that was built anew along the Big Sandy (the old US 52 is WV 152) to the JCT with US 152 is really the best 2 lane road in the state. 

It is possible, in fact probable, that 52, will eventually be a 4-lane will eventually be finished from I-64 to the Prichard Intermodal Facility, which is about 10 miles of construction and for which the ROW was bought decades ago.   Although current DOH plans are to simply build a bridge over the Big Sandy and route traffic onto the existing 4-lane US 23 in Kentucky.

South of that the "Tolsia Highway" is nothing more than a line on a topo map. Maybe 30 air miles. Absoulutely nothing has been done and there are no plans.  This takes us down to the JCT with the 4-lane US 119/Corridor G.

Once 119 and 52 seperate at Williamson this is the King Coal Highway project.  About 12 miles are open, as a 2-lane with the grade for the other 2 lanes "banked".  This is a "win-win" project with a coal company striping the coal and leaving behind the road bed.  There is another 10 or so miles that could be done, provided the results of the next election make the mineing of coal legal again. 

South of that, the state is back on its own dime.  It is about 65 air miles to Bluefield.  Through some fo the worst terrain in the eastern US, and the poorest and most economically potential free areas in all of Appalachia.  Nothing has been done but a few lines on another topo map.

And all of this, if it would be built, would be with at grades and stop lights,   With no provision for interstate standards.

But it will not be built.  WV is FLAT broke.  And this project only shaves less than 10 miles off the existing I-64 and I-77 connection between Huntington and Bluefield.  And, south of about 2/3rd of the way through Wayne County, terrain that simply precludes any economic development if you build a gold plated 10 lane road.  Just too rugged.

And WV has plenty of other irons in the fire.  A (misguided and political, IMHO) 4-lane of WV 10 which is esentually the next river valley over, which is 1/3rd done and serves no purpose if not completed.  The rest of H.  Growth in the eastern panhandle.  US 35.  6-lane upgrades to I-64 from KY to Teays Valley and of (again misguided and political) I-79 from Pennsylvania to south of Clarksburg.  Bypasses of Beckley and Morgantown.   

The Faux I-74 will end at the VA-NC border forever.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MazdaStrider on May 13, 2016, 12:40:42 PM
My opinion is that if VDOT does build their end of it, the freeway would just end in Roanoke and have its northern terminus at I-81 where I-581 currently ends. 

At least it going there would do some good for motorists, even if SCDOT won't build their end from the State Line south of Rockingham to Myrtle Beach.


Yeah, I believe that is the approved routing of I-73 (anyone please correct me if I am wrong) and it is to run from I-81 in Roanoke, VA to Myrtle Beach, SC. But the real question is: does Myrtle Beach really need 2 interstates to end there?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on May 13, 2016, 01:25:22 PM
Additionally: WV did flirt with the idea of building I-74, but when the feds came back and said that having the coal miners leave the road bed would not be allowed for an interstate and they would have to use traditional bidding for the earthwork, WV said "f*** you" and decided to build the road to corridor standards instead, with no provisions for ever making it an interstate.  And yeah, it's not any better than the existing route and goes through the middle of nowhere.

In my previous posts I wasn't talking about I-40 to Wilmington... I was talking about the proposed I-74 to Wilmington, which has many of the same issues here as in WV: the existing interstate route is shorter and it goes through an area with no major towns.  It's basically contorting around various middle of nowhere areas to justify slapping interstate shields down.

I've been noticing that NC has a very dense freeway network.  Even if every road ever proposed in NY in the entire history of transportation had been built, NC's network would likely still be denser.  I guess some states just have zero tolerance for traffic.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 13, 2016, 02:02:58 PM
My opinion is that if VDOT does build their end of it, the freeway would just end in Roanoke and have its northern terminus at I-81 where I-581 currently ends. 

At least it going there would do some good for motorists, even if SCDOT won't build their end from the State Line south of Rockingham to Myrtle Beach.


Yeah, I believe that is the approved routing of I-73 (anyone please correct me if I am wrong) and it is to run from I-81 in Roanoke, VA to Myrtle Beach, SC. But the real question is: does Myrtle Beach really need 2 interstates to end there?

Yep, that's the approved routing. And no, Myrtle Beach doesn't need 2 interstates. I-73 is enough. Count me in the "I-74 should end in Wilmington" group.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MazdaStrider on May 13, 2016, 02:11:10 PM
My opinion is that if VDOT does build their end of it, the freeway would just end in Roanoke and have its northern terminus at I-81 where I-581 currently ends. 

At least it going there would do some good for motorists, even if SCDOT won't build their end from the State Line south of Rockingham to Myrtle Beach.


Yeah, I believe that is the approved routing of I-73 (anyone please correct me if I am wrong) and it is to run from I-81 in Roanoke, VA to Myrtle Beach, SC. But the real question is: does Myrtle Beach really need 2 interstates to end there?

Yep, that's the approved routing. And no, Myrtle Beach doesn't need 2 interstates. I-73 is enough. Count me in the "I-74 should end in Wilmington" group.


Count me in the "I-74 should end in Wilmington" group as well, although I still strongly believe I-74 should end at I-73 near Randleman.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on May 13, 2016, 02:28:19 PM
Yeah, I believe that is the approved routing of I-73 (anyone please correct me if I am wrong) and it is to run from I-81 in Roanoke, VA to Myrtle Beach, SC. But the real question is: does Myrtle Beach really need 2 interstates to end there?

Yep, that's the approved routing. And no, Myrtle Beach doesn't need 2 interstates. I-73 is enough. Count me in the "I-74 should end in Wilmington" group.

To be clear, I-74 is suppose to end at Georgetown, not Myrtle Beach.  :wave:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: mvak36 on May 13, 2016, 02:31:44 PM
Yep, that's the approved routing. And no, Myrtle Beach doesn't need 2 interstates. I-73 is enough. Count me in the "I-74 should end in Wilmington" group.

I definitely agree with this. Although, it's kind of a very roundabout way of getting there if someone takes 74 all the way there. But, it's a quicker way to get to Charlotte I guess.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on May 13, 2016, 05:17:58 PM
To be clear, I-74 is suppose to end at Georgetown, not Myrtle Beach.  :wave:

Actually it looks like it won't get that far. SC is extending the Carolina Bays Parkway (SC 31/Future I-74) to end at SC 707 south of Socastee and west of Surfside Beach. There are no plans at all to extend the freeway to Georgetown.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 13, 2016, 06:48:44 PM
Yeah, I believe that is the approved routing of I-73 (anyone please correct me if I am wrong) and it is to run from I-81 in Roanoke, VA to Myrtle Beach, SC. But the real question is: does Myrtle Beach really need 2 interstates to end there?

Yep, that's the approved routing. And no, Myrtle Beach doesn't need 2 interstates. I-73 is enough. Count me in the "I-74 should end in Wilmington" group.

To be clear, I-74 is suppose to end at Georgetown, not Myrtle Beach.  :wave:

Welp.

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Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Grzrd on May 13, 2016, 07:28:57 PM
This article (http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/article18298637.html) reports on possible Presidential candidate Donald Trump providing some political theater (theater of the absurd?) regarding I-73 in South Carolina by quoting him saying that I-73 needs to be built ...:
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Trump said Myrtle Beach has a bright future but needs to improve access to the area, specifically by building I-73 ....
This December 3 article (http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/article47887950.html) reports that ... Donald Trump has recently re-emphasized the need to complete I-73:
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The S.C. Department of Transportation Commission revived efforts Thursday to build Interstate 73, a controversial freeway long sought as a way to bring tourists to the Grand Strand ....
In a recent visit to Myrtle Beach, GOP frontrunner Donald Trump emphasized the need to complete the project ....
How the interstate would be paid for remains unknown ....
(above quote from  I-73 & I-74 in S.C. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10723.msg2110552;topicseen#msg2110552) thread)
That's the problem with ... South Carolina, they know the price tag for the whole project and it frightens them from actually building it ...

When I made the April 12, 2015 post about Trump, I did not believe that he would advance to become the presumptive Republican nominee; however, he is on the record as supporting I-73's completion in South Carolina. That said, as the second linked article in my post indicates, he has not clarified who will pay for it.  :sombrero:



Note however that Hillary Clinton, at least, has promised that she will restore a dedicated ARC funding stream if elected (whether she can deliver on this promise, of course, is a completely open question given that Congress has the power of the purse, not the president). If that happens, I'd imagine projects on the slow or back burner like the remainder of Corridor V (and maybe even the Interstate upgrade for the Batesville-Tupelo section - I'm not sure how that would interact with the 100% federal funding rule), I-99 north of I-80, and the Beltline will get renewed attention.
(above quote from Birmingham Northern Beltline (I-422, I-959) (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2731.msg2109887#msg2109887) thrad)

Being mindful of the Forum Guidelines regarding political debate (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=992.0)*, and in an effort to both keep any political discussion confined to the discussion of roads and to be fair to Democratic frontrunner Clinton, it appears that the race will boil down to Trump's "Complete I-73 in South Carolina!" vs. Clinton's "Restore the ARC funding stream!" Has the makings of a great debate question.

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Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: HazMatt on May 13, 2016, 08:03:41 PM
And WV has plenty of other irons in the fire.  A (misguided and political, IMHO) 4-lane of WV 10 which is esentually the next river valley over, which is 1/3rd done and serves no purpose if not completed.  The rest of H.  Growth in the eastern panhandle.  US 35.  6-lane upgrades to I-64 from KY to Teays Valley and of (again misguided and political) I-79 from Pennsylvania to south of Clarksburg.  Bypasses of Beckley and Morgantown.   

On that note, I know US 35 is being upgraded to 4-lanes but have there ever been talks of making that a freeway?  73/74 could potentially be routed that way, with 74 continuing to I-71 and then a concurrency down to Cincinnati to make it a continuous route.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: roadman65 on May 13, 2016, 11:02:10 PM
Yeah, I believe that is the approved routing of I-73 (anyone please correct me if I am wrong) and it is to run from I-81 in Roanoke, VA to Myrtle Beach, SC. But the real question is: does Myrtle Beach really need 2 interstates to end there?

Yep, that's the approved routing. And no, Myrtle Beach doesn't need 2 interstates. I-73 is enough. Count me in the "I-74 should end in Wilmington" group.

To be clear, I-74 is suppose to end at Georgetown, not Myrtle Beach.  :wave:
  Wow big difference there.

Anyway, I-74 to Wilmington and I-73 to Myrtle Beach is what it should be.  However I always thought that I-74 from Rockingham to Wilmington should have been part of a longer intestate taking over US 74 between Charlotte and Wilmington.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: NE2 on May 14, 2016, 12:47:09 AM
When I made the April 12, 2015 post about Trump, I did not believe that he would advance to become the presumptive Republican nominee; however, he is on the record as supporting I-73's completion in South Carolina. That said, as the second linked article in my post indicates, he has not clarified who will pay for it.  :sombrero:
I guess the Mexican government will.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Third Strike on May 14, 2016, 12:56:34 AM
Yeah, I believe that is the approved routing of I-73 (anyone please correct me if I am wrong) and it is to run from I-81 in Roanoke, VA to Myrtle Beach, SC. But the real question is: does Myrtle Beach really need 2 interstates to end there?

Yep, that's the approved routing. And no, Myrtle Beach doesn't need 2 interstates. I-73 is enough. Count me in the "I-74 should end in Wilmington" group.

To be clear, I-74 is suppose to end at Georgetown, not Myrtle Beach.  :wave:
  Wow big difference there.

Anyway, I-74 to Wilmington and I-73 to Myrtle Beach is what it should be.  However I always thought that I-74 from Rockingham to Wilmington should have been part of a longer intestate taking over US 74 between Charlotte and Wilmington.

According to North Carolina thread, the NCDOT has no current intentions to label the Monroe Bypass as an Interstate. However, if that's the case, I'm totally in favor of a new spur from I-74 in Rockingham, to the eastern terminus of the Monroe Bypass near Wingate. I still would have preferred a new I-3X delineation from Asheville, to Charlotte, and then Wilmington along US 74, and parts of I-85 and I-485 in the Charlotte metro.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on May 14, 2016, 07:49:59 AM

On that note, I know US 35 is being upgraded to 4-lanes but have there ever been talks of making that a freeway?  73/74 could potentially be routed that way, with 74 continuing to I-71 and then a concurrency down to Cincinnati to make it a continuous route.

No, and it would be unneeded.  The complex of US 23, OH 32, US 50, and US 35, when all completed, is just fine for the purpose and traffic volumes. 

That is one thing that I think is kind of a symptom of roadgeekery.   We all have this fascination with the brand "interstate".  Part of that is roadgeekery.  Part of that leaks over into normal people, because "BUILD I-73" is about 1000X times a better sound bite than "fully fund the ARC corridor program" or even "upgrade US 220 to 4 lanes".  Common people know what an interstate is.

Look at all the discussions we have about 73, 74, 99, 69, etc.  While similar (similar good and similar boondoggle) projects not called interstate this or that are rarely discussed.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: roadman65 on May 14, 2016, 08:16:09 AM
Yeah, I believe that is the approved routing of I-73 (anyone please correct me if I am wrong) and it is to run from I-81 in Roanoke, VA to Myrtle Beach, SC. But the real question is: does Myrtle Beach really need 2 interstates to end there?

Yep, that's the approved routing. And no, Myrtle Beach doesn't need 2 interstates. I-73 is enough. Count me in the "I-74 should end in Wilmington" group.

To be clear, I-74 is suppose to end at Georgetown, not Myrtle Beach.  :wave:
  Wow big difference there.

Anyway, I-74 to Wilmington and I-73 to Myrtle Beach is what it should be.  However I always thought that I-74 from Rockingham to Wilmington should have been part of a longer intestate taking over US 74 between Charlotte and Wilmington.

According to North Carolina thread, the NCDOT has no current intentions to label the Monroe Bypass as an Interstate. However, if that's the case, I'm totally in favor of a new spur from I-74 in Rockingham, to the eastern terminus of the Monroe Bypass near Wingate. I still would have preferred a new I-3X delineation from Asheville, to Charlotte, and then Wilmington along US 74, and parts of I-85 and I-485 in the Charlotte metro.
  Back in 1995, I was in Rockingham, and this of course was before the bypass (Future 1-74) was built, and a lot of traffic (including semis) were using US 74 at the time.

I am sure there is enough demand for an interstate there.  I do not see why I-74 has to double back to the Myrtle Beach area when Wilmington, a perfectly good size city, is there in a straight line ahead.  Its like they are so blind building the I-73/I-74 thing with one thing in mind, that is giving the Myrtle Beach area two interstates they overlooked some other possibilities in the whole process.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on May 14, 2016, 09:29:00 AM
I do not see why I-74 has to double back to the Myrtle Beach area when Wilmington, a perfectly good size city, is there in a straight line ahead.  Its like they are so blind building the I-73/I-74 thing with one thing in mind, that is giving the Myrtle Beach area two interstates they overlooked some other possibilities in the whole process.

+1! If I had it my way, I-74 would end in Wilmington and an I-x74 would link Myrtle Beach and Wilmington. That way, Myrtle Beach would have their two interstates and Wilmington wouldn't be getting the shaft. Win-win!  :cheers: But I'm drifting into fictional territory here, so I'll shut up about it. What's done is done.  :no:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 14, 2016, 02:03:25 PM
Exit 100 is now open on I-73 as of today in Greensboro. The interchange is for Gate City Blvd. to no surprise, the interchange is DDI. There are still some work around the interchange, but the bottom line is: there is now Exit 100.



Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on May 14, 2016, 06:41:18 PM

I am sure there is enough demand for an interstate there.  I do not see why I-74 has to double back to the Myrtle Beach area when Wilmington, a perfectly good size city, is there in a straight line ahead.  Its like they are so blind building the I-73/I-74 thing with one thing in mind, that is giving the Myrtle Beach area two interstates they overlooked some other possibilities in the whole process.

I could be mistaken but I believe the law requires both 73 and 74 to go to Georgetown, so it would require Congressional action to have 74 not go there.

Then again I don't know the consequence of never building it that far, just as the 74 piece mandated to Cincinnati isn't exactly on the horizon either...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on May 14, 2016, 10:10:43 PM

I could be mistaken but I believe the law requires both 73 and 74 to go to Georgetown, so it would require Congressional action to have 74 not go there.

Then again I don't know the consequence of never building it that far, just as the 74 piece mandated to Cincinnati isn't exactly on the horizon either...

Congress can define interstate corridors, but it can't require states to build them. The I-74 corridor is defined to Georgetown, but SC has no plans to build it south of Surfside Beach.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on May 14, 2016, 10:13:21 PM
Yes and no. It is like I-26 - a 'diagonal' interstate. That is if the interstate in NC EVER gets connected to Cincinnati. Probably not in my lifetime. Come on WV, what is the hold up  :pan:

Funding.

The complete lack of need for that to be anything other than a surface four-lane route in West Virginia because the traffic demand is not there, an interstate would be overkill, and a surface route would be more than sufficient.

Oh, and did I mention funding?

West Virginia never had intentions of upgrading US 52 to an interstate. The plan always was to build a four lane form Huntington to Bluefield via Williamson and Welch.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on May 15, 2016, 07:33:12 AM

Funding.

The complete lack of need for that to be anything other than a surface four-lane route in West Virginia because the traffic demand is not there, an interstate would be overkill, and a surface route would be more than sufficient.


If some benefactor presented WV with 100% of the cash needed to build the Tolsia/King Coal project, either to interstate or the currently planned corridor standard, there are about 50 better things this flat broke state could do with it.  (Other than the needed 10 or so miles from the Prichard facility to I-64)  Road related and otherwise. 

Same goes for the boondoggle WV 10 upgrade currently being built and the farcical Coalfields Expressway. 

This is an economically potential free area.  There is no economic use for this land other than the (now essentially illegal) production of coal, and no reason to live there other than to mine coal.  So a couple of billion dollars to save less than 10 miles over the current interstate route between Huntington and Bluefield (64 and 77).  Through what is fast becoming an unpopulated woodland.  Dumb beyond belief.

WV needs to finish H and 35, 6 lane the rest of the western half of 64, try to fix some of the issues with the turnpike's misdesign, and deal with the only growing area, the eastern panhandle.  All of the rest of these projects are just waste. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on May 15, 2016, 08:40:41 AM
Congress can define interstate corridors, but it can't require states to build them. The I-74 corridor is defined to Georgetown, but SC has no plans to build it south of Surfside Beach.

Well, all they need to do is upgrade US 17 to an interstate south of Surfside Beach, wouldn't be difficult to do that a majority of the route.  The only difficult area would be Litchfield, which the right-of-way would be costly.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on May 15, 2016, 08:42:54 AM
If some benefactor presented WV with 100% of the cash needed to build the Tolsia/King Coal project, either to interstate or the currently planned corridor standard, there are about 50 better things this flat broke state could do with it.  (Other than the needed 10 or so miles from the Prichard facility to I-64)  Road related and otherwise. 

Same goes for the boondoggle WV 10 upgrade currently being built and the farcical Coalfields Expressway. 

This is an economically potential free area.  There is no economic use for this land other than the (now essentially illegal) production of coal, and no reason to live there other than to mine coal.  So a couple of billion dollars to save less than 10 miles over the current interstate route between Huntington and Bluefield (64 and 77).  Through what is fast becoming an unpopulated woodland.  Dumb beyond belief.

WV needs to finish H and 35, 6 lane the rest of the western half of 64, try to fix some of the issues with the turnpike's misdesign, and deal with the only growing area, the eastern panhandle.  All of the rest of these projects are just waste.

If they got funds earmarked for the King Coal Highway, they cannot funnel it to another project; appropriations don't work that way.

When did mining coal become illegal?  How do we keep providing coal to all our coal power plants?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on May 15, 2016, 09:57:06 AM
I'm quite aware of how appropriations work.  I was speaking theoretically.

As to coal, you do understand that no new permits for new coal mines have been issued and when the current ones run out, there will be no more coal mining.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on May 15, 2016, 10:31:09 AM
Congress can define interstate corridors, but it can't require states to build them. The I-74 corridor is defined to Georgetown, but SC has no plans to build it south of Surfside Beach.

Well, all they need to do is upgrade US 17 to an interstate south of Surfside Beach, wouldn't be difficult to do that a majority of the route.  The only difficult area would be Litchfield, which the right-of-way would be costly.

Upgrading US 17 would be extremely difficult and costly.  Only about 10 miles of this has a speed limit above 45 now and the built up area continues well south of Litchfield through Pawleys Island and Simmonsville...

Also the median is very narrow (or non-existent in some places) so it would be just like building from scratch...

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on May 15, 2016, 03:05:19 PM
As to coal, you do understand that no new permits for new coal mines have been issued and when the current ones run out, there will be no more coal mining.

Had to look that up.  The United States has put a freeze on new permits on Government lands, hasn't completely stopped the program.  Also, I'm sure existing mines have and will last for years.

Of course, that probably doesn't help the area any more... all the more reason to build an interstate through it and make it a scenic route.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on May 15, 2016, 04:03:33 PM
I'm quite aware of how appropriations work.  I was speaking theoretically.

As to coal, you do understand that no new permits for new coal mines have been issued and when the current ones run out, there will be no more coal mining.

There was a mention on another thread about this and the King Coal/US 52 route. What was the issue that resulted in the coal companies not being able to build the road to grade the way the route between the Delbarton area and Gilbert is being done? Was it a dispute over prevailing wage because the project was being done by a coal company vs. a highway contractor? There was a court case over it but I can't remember the exact issue.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on May 15, 2016, 05:48:13 PM
Basically, someone was upset that WV wasn't putting the work out to bid.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on May 16, 2016, 07:18:41 AM
There was a mention on another thread about this and the King Coal/US 52 route. What was the issue that resulted in the coal companies not being able to build the road to grade the way the route between the Delbarton area and Gilbert is being done? Was it a dispute over prevailing wage because the project was being done by a coal company vs. a highway contractor? There was a court case over it but I can't remember the exact issue.

The court case used the prevailing wage law (which WV has now repealed anyway).  It was more or less a "sour grapes" move by the unionized construction workers.  They "won" and stopped further "win-win" deals were the coal was striped and a road bed was left behind (to be finished by unionized construction workers) by union-free miners.

So the result is not that the road is getting built by construction workers, but it is not being built at all.

In any event, as no new coal mining permits are being issued (and not just on government lands, none anywhere) this whole endeavor is at an end, at least for now.

If you have driven the part that is open, which is two lanes with the other side "banked" for the future, it is in really bad shape.  Engineers say you should let the land settle for 5 or so years, but they rushed the deal and built the road ASAP, because the school system was so bad and they had to use the road to access a new consolidated HS (too many little failing HSs is a big problem in southern WV) and now it is like driving on a roller coaster.  Eventually they will have to rebuild the whole thing.  In any event, it is just 10 or so miles in the middle of nowhere.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on May 16, 2016, 11:04:37 AM
IIRC, I-73 was to end in Charleston, then it was truncated back to Georgetown and then to Myrtle Beach. FWIW, I think I-74 should go to Wilmington and a spur to Myrtle Beach could do the trick if they insist on getting two Interstates there, however roundabout they may seem.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on May 16, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
I've driven the new section at least twice, but it's been a few years. The connector between the new route and WV 44 was falling apart the one time I drove it. Fresh new concrete being patched with cold mix.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: seicer on May 17, 2016, 12:25:30 PM
Ouch. The new US 35 is also seeing a lot of issues, despite it being just a few years old. The asphalt sections are some of the worst new roads I've driven on, with many sections dipping and settling 10- to 20-feet below grade. The concrete portions aren't much better and are either patched with asphalt or new concrete - which doesn't do anything to solve the underlying issue of crapshoot preparation. I can't remember any major issues on Corridor H/US 48 in the eastern part of the state.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on May 18, 2016, 10:56:49 PM
Ouch. The new US 35 is also seeing a lot of issues, despite it being just a few years old. The asphalt sections are some of the worst new roads I've driven on, with many sections dipping and settling 10- to 20-feet below grade. The concrete portions aren't much better and are either patched with asphalt or new concrete - which doesn't do anything to solve the underlying issue of crapshoot preparation. I can't remember any major issues on Corridor H/US 48 in the eastern part of the state.

Wonder if it has anything to do with soil type? There's an area of Estill County with a lot of pyrite in the soil. It caused settling issues with the floor and foundation of a new school, also some washboarding with the northern end of the Irvine bypass built a few years ago.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 22, 2016, 12:28:11 PM
I-73 update is set for tomorrow. We should know what's up with the construction north of Greensboro or if there is any changes coming  tomorrow.

http://www.greensboro.com/rockingham_now/news/i--update-set-for-may/article_7402773c-1fa1-11e6-a645-5f84f14a5d99.html

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on May 22, 2016, 12:44:43 PM
I know there is an update coming out tomorrow, but what is the planned route for I-73? Is it going to follow US 220 to Roanoke and take over I-581?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 74/171FAN on May 22, 2016, 01:10:31 PM
I know there is an update coming out tomorrow, but what is the planned route for I-73? Is it going to follow US 220 to Roanoke and take over I-581?

Yes, though in VA basically the general area of US 220 until meeting with US 220 southeast of Roanoke and following that to I-81.  (replacing I-581)

See earlier in the thread for the planned routing:  https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=18.msg2143839#msg2143839 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=18.msg2143839#msg2143839)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on May 22, 2016, 01:31:46 PM
I know there is an update coming out tomorrow, but what is the planned route for I-73? Is it going to follow US 220 to Roanoke and take over I-581?



Yeah, I-73 will take over I-581 in Roanoke. As of the planned route, it is to leave US 220 right at the NC/VA state line and follow US 220 to the east until they meet in Roanoke.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on May 22, 2016, 02:57:31 PM
I know there is an update coming out tomorrow, but what is the planned route for I-73? Is it going to follow US 220 to Roanoke and take over I-581?



Yeah, I-73 will take over I-581 in Roanoke. As of the planned route, it is to leave US 220 right at the NC/VA state line and follow US 220 to the east until they meet in Roanoke.

You mean run parallel to the east of US 220.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mileage Mike on June 25, 2016, 03:28:59 PM
Yes and no. It is like I-26 - a 'diagonal' interstate. That is if the interstate in NC EVER gets connected to Cincinnati. Probably not in my lifetime. Come on WV, what is the hold up  :pan:

Funding.

The complete lack of need for that to be anything other than a surface four-lane route in West Virginia because the traffic demand is not there, an interstate would be overkill, and a surface route would be more than sufficient.

Oh, and did I mention funding?

West Virginia never had intentions of upgrading US 52 to an interstate. The plan always was to build a four lane form Huntington to Bluefield via Williamson and Welch.

It seems that for the sake of just connecting the route I-74 should just be concurrent with 64/77 through the state all the way to Huntington.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on June 25, 2016, 09:18:09 PM

It seems that for the sake of just connecting the route I-74 should just be concurrent with 64/77 through the state all the way to Huntington.

Why? Would you then run it concurrently all the way along I-64 and I-75 through Lexington to Cincinnati to connect it with existing I-74 (the "real" I-74)?

There is no need to build an interstate between Cincinnati and Huntington. The AA Highway and Corridor D/US 35 function just fine to connect the Metro Valley area of West Virginia to Cincy.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 26, 2016, 04:07:20 PM

It seems that for the sake of just connecting the route I-74 should just be concurrent with 64/77 through the state all the way to Huntington.

Why? Would you then run it concurrently all the way along I-64 and I-75 through Lexington to Cincinnati to connect it with existing I-74 (the "real" I-74)?

There is no need to build an interstate between Cincinnati and Huntington. The AA Highway and Corridor D/US 35 function just fine to connect the Metro Valley area of West Virginia to Cincy.



I don't see anything wrong with a long concurrences. Eventually interstates are going to run together at some point. However, I don't see it happening unless it is allowed to.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on June 27, 2016, 01:46:00 PM
Even with the Carolina I-74 being as out of place as it is, I prefer a split in the route (such as I-76 or I-88) over a long concurrency.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 28, 2016, 01:13:14 AM
Even with the Carolina I-74 being as out of place as it is, I prefer a split in the route (such as I-76 or I-88) over a long concurrency.


You just might get your wish. I don't see I-74 being built to connect with the another I-74 for like next 40-50 years or so. And yeah I'd prefer a split too.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jbnati27 on June 28, 2016, 11:11:15 AM
Even with the Carolina I-74 being as out of place as it is, I prefer a split in the route (such as I-76 or I-88) over a long concurrency.
I would agree. That long of a concurrency seems pointless. Besides, I thought one of the proposed routes for I-74 (that's probably not going to happen in the near future) was to route I-74 from Bluefield to Huntington along the US-52 corridor?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on June 28, 2016, 11:35:48 AM
Even with the Carolina I-74 being as out of place as it is, I prefer a split in the route (such as I-76 or I-88) over a long concurrency.
I would agree. That long of a concurrency seems pointless. Besides, I thought one of the proposed routes for I-74 (that's probably not going to happen in the near future) was to route I-74 from Bluefield to Huntington along the US-52 corridor?

Last time I checked, there was still a sign marking the "I-73/I-74 High Priority Corridor" on US 52 south of I-64 near the Huntington airport. I also think there was a similar sign somewhere around Bluefield. But since West Virginia is building its new sections of US 52 as expressway, not freeway, the connection is not going to happen.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 28, 2016, 11:51:32 AM
Even with the Carolina I-74 being as out of place as it is, I prefer a split in the route (such as I-76 or I-88) over a long concurrency.
I would agree. That long of a concurrency seems pointless. Besides, I thought one of the proposed routes for I-74 (that's probably not going to happen in the near future) was to route I-74 from Bluefield to Huntington along the US-52 corridor?

Last time I checked, there was still a sign marking the "I-73/I-74 High Priority Corridor" on US 52 south of I-64 near the Huntington airport. I also think there was a similar sign somewhere around Bluefield. But since West Virginia is building its new sections of US 52 as expressway, not freeway, the connection is not going to happen.


Yeah WV is building its new section as an expressway, with consideration that if money is available, they will upgrade it to freeway but again, I don't think I will see it happen.

Ohio is building a Portsmouth bypass (a freeway) in which is also a part of possible "I-73/I-74 High Priority Corridor", so who knows what will happen in 50 years. For now, no connection between these two freeways will happen.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: seicer on June 28, 2016, 12:29:52 PM
Well, Ohio also has no money allocated to upgrade the remainder of US 52 to a freeway. There is also the two-lane Ohio River bridge and freeway in Huntington, W.Va. and the many, many miles of four-lane US 23 in south central Ohio that would need to be completely rebuilt.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 28, 2016, 05:38:05 PM
Even with the Carolina I-74 being as out of place as it is, I prefer a split in the route (such as I-76 or I-88) over a long concurrency.
I would agree. That long of a concurrency seems pointless. Besides, I thought one of the proposed routes for I-74 (that's probably not going to happen in the near future) was to route I-74 from Bluefield to Huntington along the US-52 corridor?

Last time I checked, there was still a sign marking the "I-73/I-74 High Priority Corridor" on US 52 south of I-64 near the Huntington airport. I also think there was a similar sign somewhere around Bluefield. But since West Virginia is building its new sections of US 52 as expressway, not freeway, the connection is not going to happen.

Here you go, the sign you're referencing is on US-460 WB in Princeton, WV.  https://goo.gl/maps/7h3MFVaN9kC2
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on June 28, 2016, 11:39:19 PM
Even with the Carolina I-74 being as out of place as it is, I prefer a split in the route (such as I-76 or I-88) over a long concurrency.
I would agree. That long of a concurrency seems pointless. Besides, I thought one of the proposed routes for I-74 (that's probably not going to happen in the near future) was to route I-74 from Bluefield to Huntington along the US-52 corridor?
AASHTO approved the I-74 route along I-77 south of I-81 in VA. So, technically I-74 could be signed in that state now. I agree it would be a useless concurrency at this time, but perhaps when I-74 no longer ends at US 52 but continues to Winston-Salem and beyond, it may be worthy of continuing further along I-77 and not simply ending at the VA border.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on June 29, 2016, 06:43:23 AM
Even with the Carolina I-74 being as out of place as it is, I prefer a split in the route (such as I-76 or I-88) over a long concurrency.
I would agree. That long of a concurrency seems pointless. Besides, I thought one of the proposed routes for I-74 (that's probably not going to happen in the near future) was to route I-74 from Bluefield to Huntington along the US-52 corridor?
AASHTO approved the I-74 route along I-77 south of I-81 in VA. So, technically I-74 could be signed in that state now. I agree it would be a useless concurrency at this time, but perhaps when I-74 no longer ends at US 52 but continues to Winston-Salem and beyond, it may be worthy of continuing further along I-77 and not simply ending at the VA border.

I doubt VA would sign I-74 along I-77 unless there's an interstate-grade connection in WV, seeing as VA never bothered after all this time. It would be money spent that benefits neither VA or NC. Once I-74 is extended from Mount Airy and reaches Winston-Salem and beyond, there would still be an interstate connection to Ohio via I-74 and I-77, with or without I-74 being signed on I-77. It would still be a pointless concurrency IMO, unless WV has a sudden change of heart and decides to build their part to at least I-64 near Huntington since Ohio has zero interest in I-73 and I-74.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on June 29, 2016, 02:45:10 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the first reassurance marker south of the state line on 77 also has a companion 74 marker. I'd think a "To" banner above it would be appropriate. As for northbound, no reason to sign 74 north of the exit. Just let 74 end at 77 and be done with it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on June 29, 2016, 03:29:44 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the first reassurance marker south of the state line on 77 also has a companion 74 marker. I'd think a "To" banner above it would be appropriate. As for northbound, no reason to sign 74 north of the exit. Just let 74 end at 77 and be done with it.

It does and I agree that I-74 should end at I-77. I-74 serves no purpose being concurrent with I-77 as it is. It just causes confusion for drivers blindly following I-74 signs only for I-74 to suddenly disappear after crossing into VA on I-77.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 29, 2016, 04:53:27 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the first reassurance marker south of the state line on 77 also has a companion 74 marker. I'd think a "To" banner above it would be appropriate. As for northbound, no reason to sign 74 north of the exit. Just let 74 end at 77 and be done with it.


Yeah, you are correct, there is one I-74 shield marker along I-77 on northbound and southbound. If VA is not going to sign it, I agree with you, end I-74 at I-77. Much easier that way. But, I could make the same argument for I-41, which also begins at the WI state line along I-94.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Henry on June 30, 2016, 10:15:33 AM
As much as I'd like to see I-74 continue to Cincinnati, I'd be fine with the two separate routes as well. At least you could connect them in theory, unlike the other splits (same with the upcoming I-87 that is set for the Norfolk-Raleigh corridor).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on June 30, 2016, 04:19:31 PM
When I first saw Interstates 73/74 in the Rand McNally Road Atlas in the 1990s, I thought it was a misprint. I'm starting to wonder if either will ever leave North Carolina. Virginia is not in a hurry to build Interstate 73, and the existence of Interstate 73 and 74 in South Carolina seems a ways off.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 30, 2016, 04:51:09 PM
When I first saw Interstates 73/74 in the Rand McNally Road Atlas in the 1990s, I thought it was a misprint. I'm starting to wonder if either will ever leave North Carolina. Virginia is not in a hurry to build Interstate 73, and the existence of Interstate 73 and 74 in South Carolina seems a ways off.

West Virginia is not in a hurry either because they're building a road that is a expressway (King Coal Highway, and will upgrade to freeway as money is available in later years). South Carolina has a very long way to go but they're working on it even though a part of it is complete (SC 22, which will need a shoulder work).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on June 30, 2016, 05:20:51 PM
When I first saw Interstates 73/74 in the Rand McNally Road Atlas in the 1990s, I thought it was a misprint. I'm starting to wonder if either will ever leave North Carolina. Virginia is not in a hurry to build Interstate 73, and the existence of Interstate 73 and 74 in South Carolina seems a ways off.

West Virginia is not in a hurry either because they're building a road that is a expressway (King Coal Highway, and will upgrade to freeway as money is available in later years). South Carolina has a very long way to go but they're working on it even though a part of it is complete (SC 22, which will need a shoulder work).

Even though King Coal Highway is part of the I-73/I-74 corridor.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on June 30, 2016, 07:56:23 PM
When I first saw Interstates 73/74 in the Rand McNally Road Atlas in the 1990s, I thought it was a misprint. I'm starting to wonder if either will ever leave North Carolina. Virginia is not in a hurry to build Interstate 73, and the existence of Interstate 73 and 74 in South Carolina seems a ways off.

West Virginia is not in a hurry either because they're building a road that is a expressway (King Coal Highway, and will upgrade to freeway as money is available in later years). South Carolina has a very long way to go but they're working on it even though a part of it is complete (SC 22, which will need a shoulder work).

Even though King Coal Highway is part of the I-73/I-74 corridor.


Yeah you're correct. It is a part of I-73/I-74 corridor. That means if money is available for West Virginia to upgrade the expressway to interstate standards, they can do that easily. Smart move by West Virginia. Wish other states can look at this method. I think Virginia recognizes it need to be built in pieces, not the whole thing. less expensive this way.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on June 30, 2016, 10:54:35 PM
When I first saw Interstates 73/74 in the Rand McNally Road Atlas in the 1990s, I thought it was a misprint. I'm starting to wonder if either will ever leave North Carolina. Virginia is not in a hurry to build Interstate 73, and the existence of Interstate 73 and 74 in South Carolina seems a ways off.

West Virginia is not in a hurry either because they're building a road that is a expressway (King Coal Highway, and will upgrade to freeway as money is available in later years). South Carolina has a very long way to go but they're working on it even though a part of it is complete (SC 22, which will need a shoulder work).

Even though King Coal Highway is part of the I-73/I-74 corridor.


Yeah you're correct. It is a part of I-73/I-74 corridor. That means if money is available for West Virginia to upgrade the expressway to interstate standards, they can do that easily. Smart move by West Virginia. Wish other states can look at this method. I think Virginia recognizes it need to be built in pieces, not the whole thing. less expensive this way.

I guess West Virginia did have plans to do it all along. Both ways seem to have their pros and cons.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on July 10, 2016, 08:41:02 PM
As the coal industry declines in importance, the rationale for expanding capacity on US 52 in WVA, even as an expressway, much less an Interstate facility, also dissipates.  HPC 5 was routed that way to serve as a local server SIU of 73/74, benefiting the local coal base; aside from the Myrtle Beach promoters, much of the impetus for the corridor as a whole emanated from this region.  Presently, it's difficult to see how the cost of developing the King Coal corridor could be justified given the ever-decreasing likelihood of appreciable benefits on either a local or national level.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: WashuOtaku on July 10, 2016, 11:09:02 PM
As the coal industry declines in importance, the rationale for expanding capacity on US 52 in WVA, even as an expressway, much less an Interstate facility, also dissipates.  HPC 5 was routed that way to serve as a local server SIU of 73/74, benefiting the local coal base; aside from the Myrtle Beach promoters, much of the impetus for the corridor as a whole emanated from this region.  Presently, it's difficult to see how the cost of developing the King Coal corridor could be justified given the ever-decreasing likelihood of appreciable benefits on either a local or national level.

Your opinion is the biggest obstetrical in today's transportation projects.  From not beneficial in the short term to cost don't justify it don't just stop such projects in West Virginia but other places as well.  Honestly, if the "Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956" didn't happen, we would have a system more similar to Australia and Canada today, where freeways only exist around cities and nothing to connect them with.  It takes determination and play a long game to get roads like the "King Coal Highway" built to the local light-rail projects.

There is no question I-64, I-77 and I-79 have been beneficial to the state; another interstate reaching an area of the state that is difficult to get through would be most beneficial to the local and those that can utilize a more direct route between Kentucky/Ohio and Virginia besides going to the state capital.  Dismissing it only eliminates what could be from happening.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on July 11, 2016, 01:48:50 AM
Re "obstetrical" -- I had no idea that my ideas were giving birth to something!   :) I think the term in play here is "obstacle" -- it certainly fits the context better.

Regarding my King Coal comments -- I certainly didn't mean to imply that all speculative road projects are either unjustified or otherwise unworthy.  If I had been considerably more than 7 when the original Interstate legislation was passed, I would have been out front as one of its more vocal cheerleaders!  Addressing problems based on an assessment of future rather than current needs -- bold by any standards -- is an admirable undertaking; the '56 act was and is a crystal-clear example of forward thinking within the field.  The problem is that no such vehicle for expanding upon this impetus exists today.  The last time a truly national effort was made to continue the basic concept was the 1968 Interstate expansion act -- and political pressure, not to mention the vast cost overruns of the Vietnam conflict, resulted in that act being truncated from its original 4200 miles of additional Interstate routes, most of which were trunks, down to 1500 miles.  And five years later the prospects for any additional national omnibus acts like the '68 activity were shut down as part of the Nixon administration's push to shift federally-funded programs away from centralized federal planning, relying on locally-managed "block grants" for fund dispersal.  As part of that shift, language was added to Title 23 (the transportation-related section of the US Code) to specifically require the individual states to instigate any and all Interstate additions.  Also instituted at the time was the "chargeable/non-chargeable" dichotomy, whereby additions beyond the routes outlined in '56 or '68 would not be eligible for the 90% federal share of construction cost, but would instead rely upon the percentage available for FAP (federal-aid-primary) routes -- substantially less.  Absent that higher funding level, states no longer had incentive to seek Interstate status for any future limited-access highway development.

Even with such periodic omnibus federal action starting with ISTEA in 1991, there has been little effort to increase the federal funding level above the 80% maximum level; the political climate since that time has certainly not been favorable to that or similar endeavors.  Even the more ambitious projects or corridors are assembled piecemeal; HPC 5/I-73/74 is certainly one of those far-reaching planning efforts that fits that description.  The full corridor enters 6 states; no two of them are on the same page.  SC, in theory, would like to develop the route to funnel tourists to the Myrtle Beach spending zone (pardon me, recreational destination); but in-state squabbling over whether to fund it, how to fund it, and whether upstate deserves all the state's money has stymied any real progress.  NC, of course, is "gung-ho" re Interstate development, with the various 73 and/or 74 corridors either (a) completed, (b) under construction, or (c) programmed -- no other state has committed this level of resources to this corridor concept.  The situation in VA echoes SC; while technically "programmed", I-73's funding has never been confirmed, again due to in-state politics.  I'll come back to WVA later; since the Kenova (Ohio River) bridge project was sunk back about 2001, Ohio has stepped away from any commitment to development of either I-73 or 74 (the massive public support for an Interstate route to use for OSU-Michigan games never materialized!), while NIMBY opposition in SE Michigan sunk any plans for that state's I-73 portion (despite about 60% of the route being already at or near Interstate standard!).   This puts us back in WVA. 

Of all the original projected HPC 5/I-73/74 corridor, the most difficult terrain, and hence the costliest to deploy, was always in WVA.  As with virtually all newly-minted Interstate routes nationwide, the 80% federal funding is not the issue -- the disincentive for development lies in the remaining 20%, which is derived from state & local sources.  And WVA is, sorry to say, a relatively poor state; its ability to raise the funds needed for major projects such as limited-access highways is severely limited.  The state is fortunate to be criss-crossed by ARC highways, which received an even higher federal funding level than Interstate routes.  The late Sen. Byrd could be counted on to funnel as much money as he could coax out of the federal coffers into the state -- but those times are in the past.  The often-cited plan to tie together strip-mining remnants as the routing for the King Coal highway was at best "dicey" and at worst environmentally criminal!  The fact of the matter is that absent some unforeseen funding influx, there is no way that WVA can afford their share of King Coal construction as an expressway, not to mention an Interstate-grade facility.  There's just not enough ducks in this particular row to render the project feasible in the near term -- corridor connections to either the south or north have never been cast in stone, a finalized route has not yet been fully adopted, and no "cash cow" to replace Sen. Byrd has materialized. 

If even a couple of these "ducks" were to line themselves up (VA planning their I-73 route NW of Roanoke, renewed state interest in finding an efficient & realistic King Coal alignment without relying on "pipedream freebies"), I might change my assessment of the situation.  And while my own pipedreams include a renewal of a new & expanded version of the '68 Interstate addition act, including the full 73/74 corridor (with a few logistic revisions), the current political climate just isn't promising for that prospect.  Right now the "piecemeal" approach to new Interstate development just isn't kind to costlier route segments lacking deep political & financial support.  As several posters have noted, the approach for longer corridors is akin to eating an elephant -- one bite at a time.  Unfortunately, that doesn't bode well for those parts containing gristle & bone, like the King Coal portion of HPC 5.  I wish my assessment could be more positive -- but unfortunately, it isn't.  And the aftermath of the recent WVA flooding is likely to eat into whatever state & federal funding might be available in the short or mid-term.

P.S.:  if someone could devise a way to efficiently reconfigure raw coal into industrial carbon fiber for manufacturing & construction purposes (it's an exhaustive "small-batch" process at present), I might yet see a future for the industry beyond mere rapid oxidation for heat!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 11, 2016, 09:28:07 AM
Re "obstetrical" -- I had no idea that my ideas were giving birth to something!   :)

Would you like an epidural? :rofl:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MazdaStrider on July 11, 2016, 09:42:30 AM
While I applaud WVA and other states for fighting to build I-73 (and I-74), I'd prefer I-73 to start somewhere in WVA (off I-77 or I-64) and end at Myrtle Beach, if not starting somewhere in WVA, it should just start at Roanoke and end at Myrtle Beach. It probably isn't popular choice (it is off the interstate grid, so is I-69 SW of Indianapolis, in which is being built as well and another interstates, so don't get me started about the interstate grid because it is already a mess to start with way before these new interstates were proposed), the point of the new interstate(s) is that it connects (or will connect) three major cities for I-73: (Roanoke, Greensboro and Myrtle Beach) while providing possible economic growth for small cities along the proposed routing (Rocky Mount, Martinsville, Madison, Mayodan, Summerfield, Stokesdale, Asheboro, Rockingham, Bennettsville, Dillon, Marion, Conway, etc will benefit from having a interstate access). We know how many cities I-74 will connect, but it is FOR economic purposes. Also, don't get me started about AADT (because what it is saying on a paper doesn't mean it is always accurate) or how U.S. routes can accomplish the same thing, etc because the cities WANT an interstate.

As of now, I can see money is going to always be a problem now, one week later, a year later or next 20 years. At least they are building I-73/74 using money that they have (even if it is an expressway and then upgrade it later). Eventually the route will be complete one day.


overall, interstates are built to connect cities with cities to provide transportation and economic purposes (among with other benefits) and it is expanding. Have you seen Canada's interstate system? they are expanding as well. That is why I believe this corridor will eventually be built.


Politics SHOULD NOT play a role in building interstates or any other road as it hurts one part of the state and benefits another part of state. It is really sad to watch politics today.

Now that is being said, I-73/74 will be built and be completed.  :colorful:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 11, 2016, 12:18:42 PM
it should just start at Roanoke and end at Myrtle Beach.

I agree, although it would be a miracle if I-73 even reaches Martinsville, much less Roanoke. There's no love for I-73 in NoVA and Richmond except for one vocal state senator, Bill Stanley, who represents the Martinsville region. At least SC is trying to get their part started. They've shown more interest than VA has, even though SC hasn't turned dirt yet. SC is waiting for a federal permit, IIRC. SC has also been having a similar political fight over money spent for I-73 like VA has. Politicians from other parts of SC want to take the money that was reserved for I-73 and fix the existing highways. The Myrtle Beach area didn't take kindly to that.

I-73 in VA is on life support and Bill Stanley is trying desperately to keep it alive, although he's failing miserably at it. He'd be better off asking Ohio and Michigan to built I-73. He might have better luck...

If I were to be brutally honest about it, I would be shocked if I-73 even crossed state lines from NC. With SC seemingly getting stonewalled everytime they're on the verge of getting I-73 started and VA not giving a shit about I-73 except for Bill Stanley and the city of Roanoke (I would add Martinsville, but some of the Henry County supervisors shot themselves in the foot), I don't think I-73 will exist outside of NC. There would have to be major political changes in VA and SC for I-73 to be built in those two states and I don't see that change coming anytime soon. People can call me pessimistic and negative all they want, but at least I'm honest about it and I say that as someone who supports I-73. I just don't wear rose-colored glasses.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 11, 2016, 12:51:23 PM
it should just start at Roanoke and end at Myrtle Beach.

I agree, although it would be a miracle if I-73 even reaches Martinsville, much less Roanoke. There's no love for I-73 in NoVA and Richmond except for one vocal state senator, Bill Stanley, who represents the Martinsville region. At least SC is trying to get their part started. They've shown more interest than VA has, even though SC hasn't turned dirt yet. SC is waiting for a federal permit, IIRC. SC has also been having a similar political fight over money spent for I-73 like VA has. Politicians from other parts of SC want to take the money that was reserved for I-73 and fix the existing highways. The Myrtle Beach area didn't take kindly to that.

I-73 in VA is on life support and Bill Stanley is trying desperately to keep it alive, although he's failing miserably at it. He'd be better off asking Ohio and Michigan to built I-73. He might have better luck...

If I were to be brutally honest about it, I would be shocked if I-73 even crossed state lines from NC. With SC seemingly getting stonewalled everytime they're on the verge of getting I-73 started and VA not giving a shit about I-73 except for Bill Stanley and the city of Roanoke (I would add Martinsville, but some of the Henry County supervisors shot themselves in the foot), I don't think I-73 will exist outside of NC. There would have to be major political changes in VA and SC for I-73 to be built in those two states and I don't see that change coming anytime soon. People can call me pessimistic and negative all they want, but at least I'm honest about it and I say that as someone who supports I-73. I just don't wear rose-colored glasses.


SC did at least got I-73 permit ready to be issued not long ago, which is a good thing:

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/article88592432.html

As of Henry County, VA: there is a debate of having the connector road built to serve the Patriot Centre Industry Park, but not as an interstate.. and Stanley is trying to encourage Martinsville Board to switch the I-73 routing from east to west (using the existing US 220 bypass) to reduce costs (in which it should have been to start with).  So far, Stanley have not failed. He was just being neglected. I know this because I went to the meeting there a couple of weeks ago.

Roanoke is just playing a waiting game because the city already has two interstate accesses (I-81 and I-581). That is their advantage over Martinsville.


They are not giving up, so we shouldn't. IF VA decides to drop I-73 for any reason (I am pretty sure the communities would be pissed off), NCDOT still plans to route I-73 up to VA state line sometime after 2025 (and it will end at the state line). But I have the feeling it will at least reach Martinsville before money woes (and politics) catch up with them for like a decade or maybe longer.

One of many reasons I-73 is being ignored by NoVA and Richmond because politicians want money sent to NoVA to try to fix their traffic issues even though they knew SW VA and other parts of the state needs money for their part. That is why on the VDOT website, you see so many projects proposed for NoVA than any other part of the state. Again, like I said it is really sad that politics play their part.


I think I-73 will probably be built as a toll road outside NC, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 11, 2016, 01:12:32 PM
it should just start at Roanoke and end at Myrtle Beach.

I agree, although it would be a miracle if I-73 even reaches Martinsville, much less Roanoke. There's no love for I-73 in NoVA and Richmond except for one vocal state senator, Bill Stanley, who represents the Martinsville region. At least SC is trying to get their part started. They've shown more interest than VA has, even though SC hasn't turned dirt yet. SC is waiting for a federal permit, IIRC. SC has also been having a similar political fight over money spent for I-73 like VA has. Politicians from other parts of SC want to take the money that was reserved for I-73 and fix the existing highways. The Myrtle Beach area didn't take kindly to that.

I-73 in VA is on life support and Bill Stanley is trying desperately to keep it alive, although he's failing miserably at it. He'd be better off asking Ohio and Michigan to built I-73. He might have better luck...

If I were to be brutally honest about it, I would be shocked if I-73 even crossed state lines from NC. With SC seemingly getting stonewalled everytime they're on the verge of getting I-73 started and VA not giving a shit about I-73 except for Bill Stanley and the city of Roanoke (I would add Martinsville, but some of the Henry County supervisors shot themselves in the foot), I don't think I-73 will exist outside of NC. There would have to be major political changes in VA and SC for I-73 to be built in those two states and I don't see that change coming anytime soon. People can call me pessimistic and negative all they want, but at least I'm honest about it and I say that as someone who supports I-73. I just don't wear rose-colored glasses.
One of many reasons I-73 is being ignored by NoVA and Richmond because politicians want money sent to NoVA to try to fix their traffic issues even though they knew SW VA and other parts of the state needs money for their part. That is why on the VDOT website, you see so many projects proposed for NoVA than any other part of the state. Again, like I said it is really sad that politics play their part.

Indeed, which is the biggest reason why I've been skeptical of I-73 ever existing in VA and, to a further extent, I-87 from Hampton Roads to NC. Only 4 out of 11 VA congressmen supported the Raleigh-Norfolk corridor bill to begin with, which is telling. I will say though that I-73 would be more of a benefit to VA than I-87, which benefits NC more. Either way, the political divide is worse in VA than it is in NC. Also, Bill Stanley's I-73 legislation didn't pass the state House of Delegates (no surprise there).

Here's an op-ed that was printed a few days ago in The Roanoke Times regarding I-73: http://www.roanoke.com/opinion/editorials/our-view-i--decision-looms-really/article_b9876bab-0643-5fd8-9312-d03372a8ea36.html (http://www.roanoke.com/opinion/editorials/our-view-i--decision-looms-really/article_b9876bab-0643-5fd8-9312-d03372a8ea36.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 11, 2016, 03:14:29 PM
it should just start at Roanoke and end at Myrtle Beach.

I agree, although it would be a miracle if I-73 even reaches Martinsville, much less Roanoke. There's no love for I-73 in NoVA and Richmond except for one vocal state senator, Bill Stanley, who represents the Martinsville region. At least SC is trying to get their part started. They've shown more interest than VA has, even though SC hasn't turned dirt yet. SC is waiting for a federal permit, IIRC. SC has also been having a similar political fight over money spent for I-73 like VA has. Politicians from other parts of SC want to take the money that was reserved for I-73 and fix the existing highways. The Myrtle Beach area didn't take kindly to that.

I-73 in VA is on life support and Bill Stanley is trying desperately to keep it alive, although he's failing miserably at it. He'd be better off asking Ohio and Michigan to built I-73. He might have better luck...

If I were to be brutally honest about it, I would be shocked if I-73 even crossed state lines from NC. With SC seemingly getting stonewalled everytime they're on the verge of getting I-73 started and VA not giving a shit about I-73 except for Bill Stanley and the city of Roanoke (I would add Martinsville, but some of the Henry County supervisors shot themselves in the foot), I don't think I-73 will exist outside of NC. There would have to be major political changes in VA and SC for I-73 to be built in those two states and I don't see that change coming anytime soon. People can call me pessimistic and negative all they want, but at least I'm honest about it and I say that as someone who supports I-73. I just don't wear rose-colored glasses.
One of many reasons I-73 is being ignored by NoVA and Richmond because politicians want money sent to NoVA to try to fix their traffic issues even though they knew SW VA and other parts of the state needs money for their part. That is why on the VDOT website, you see so many projects proposed for NoVA than any other part of the state. Again, like I said it is really sad that politics play their part.

Indeed, which is the biggest reason why I've been skeptical of I-73 ever existing in VA and, to a further extent, I-87 from Hampton Roads to NC. Only 4 out of 11 VA congressmen supported the Raleigh-Norfolk corridor bill to begin with, which is telling. I will say though that I-73 would be more of a benefit to VA than I-87, which benefits NC more. Either way, the political divide is worse in VA than it is in NC. Also, Bill Stanley's I-73 legislation didn't pass the state House of Delegates (no surprise there).

Here's an op-ed that was printed a few days ago in The Roanoke Times regarding I-73: http://www.roanoke.com/opinion/editorials/our-view-i--decision-looms-really/article_b9876bab-0643-5fd8-9312-d03372a8ea36.html (http://www.roanoke.com/opinion/editorials/our-view-i--decision-looms-really/article_b9876bab-0643-5fd8-9312-d03372a8ea36.html)


This article basically tells us that Roanoke is tired of politics playing hot potato with I-73. Politics in VA knows I-73 will benefit SW VA but they choose to ignore it (other than telling them they have no money while sending money to NoVA).

Me, for one.. is one of these people who don't want I-87 in NC (because it is very pointless since Hampton Roads are already served by I-64 and their children, but again.. NC politics pushed for Raleigh-Norfolk interstate (I-87) to happen and they got their wish).

I am sorry if politics is divided in VA is way worse than NC, but NC politics is just as hypocrites as well. At least they build roads.

Just wait until toll roads are built because many states are broke and make us pay to drive on them. I don't want I-73 (or any future interstates) being built as a toll road, but it is inevitable.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on July 11, 2016, 04:49:05 PM

If I were to be brutally honest about it, I would be shocked if I-73 even crossed state lines from NC. With SC seemingly getting stonewalled everytime they're on the verge of getting I-73 started and VA not giving a shit about I-73 except for Bill Stanley and the city of Roanoke (I would add Martinsville, but some of the Henry County supervisors shot themselves in the foot), I don't think I-73 will exist outside of NC. There would have to be major political changes in VA and SC for I-73 to be built in those two states and I don't see that change coming anytime soon. People can call me pessimistic and negative all they want, but at least I'm honest about it and I say that as someone who supports I-73. I just don't wear rose-colored glasses.

In the current political climate, I can't disagree. However, interstate highways tend to create their own constituencies over time. If NC builds I-73 up to the VA state line and puts up an "END 73" sign right there, that sign creates political pressure to extend the freeway. And if SC can get that 6 miles of I-73 built around Latta, people coming off that road onto US 501 are going to be asking, why doesn't this go to Myrtle Beach?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 11, 2016, 04:49:38 PM
it should just start at Roanoke and end at Myrtle Beach.

I agree, although it would be a miracle if I-73 even reaches Martinsville, much less Roanoke. There's no love for I-73 in NoVA and Richmond except for one vocal state senator, Bill Stanley, who represents the Martinsville region. At least SC is trying to get their part started. They've shown more interest than VA has, even though SC hasn't turned dirt yet. SC is waiting for a federal permit, IIRC. SC has also been having a similar political fight over money spent for I-73 like VA has. Politicians from other parts of SC want to take the money that was reserved for I-73 and fix the existing highways. The Myrtle Beach area didn't take kindly to that.

I-73 in VA is on life support and Bill Stanley is trying desperately to keep it alive, although he's failing miserably at it. He'd be better off asking Ohio and Michigan to built I-73. He might have better luck...

If I were to be brutally honest about it, I would be shocked if I-73 even crossed state lines from NC. With SC seemingly getting stonewalled everytime they're on the verge of getting I-73 started and VA not giving a shit about I-73 except for Bill Stanley and the city of Roanoke (I would add Martinsville, but some of the Henry County supervisors shot themselves in the foot), I don't think I-73 will exist outside of NC. There would have to be major political changes in VA and SC for I-73 to be built in those two states and I don't see that change coming anytime soon. People can call me pessimistic and negative all they want, but at least I'm honest about it and I say that as someone who supports I-73. I just don't wear rose-colored glasses.
One of many reasons I-73 is being ignored by NoVA and Richmond because politicians want money sent to NoVA to try to fix their traffic issues even though they knew SW VA and other parts of the state needs money for their part. That is why on the VDOT website, you see so many projects proposed for NoVA than any other part of the state. Again, like I said it is really sad that politics play their part.

Indeed, which is the biggest reason why I've been skeptical of I-73 ever existing in VA and, to a further extent, I-87 from Hampton Roads to NC. Only 4 out of 11 VA congressmen supported the Raleigh-Norfolk corridor bill to begin with, which is telling. I will say though that I-73 would be more of a benefit to VA than I-87, which benefits NC more. Either way, the political divide is worse in VA than it is in NC. Also, Bill Stanley's I-73 legislation didn't pass the state House of Delegates (no surprise there).

Here's an op-ed that was printed a few days ago in The Roanoke Times regarding I-73: http://www.roanoke.com/opinion/editorials/our-view-i--decision-looms-really/article_b9876bab-0643-5fd8-9312-d03372a8ea36.html (http://www.roanoke.com/opinion/editorials/our-view-i--decision-looms-really/article_b9876bab-0643-5fd8-9312-d03372a8ea36.html)
I am sorry if politics is divided in VA is way worse than NC, but NC politics is just as hypocrites as well. At least they build roads.

You won't get any argument from me there! I grew up in eastern NC just outside of Goldsboro. I'm no stranger to it.  :-D
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 11, 2016, 05:05:53 PM

If I were to be brutally honest about it, I would be shocked if I-73 even crossed state lines from NC. With SC seemingly getting stonewalled everytime they're on the verge of getting I-73 started and VA not giving a shit about I-73 except for Bill Stanley and the city of Roanoke (I would add Martinsville, but some of the Henry County supervisors shot themselves in the foot), I don't think I-73 will exist outside of NC. There would have to be major political changes in VA and SC for I-73 to be built in those two states and I don't see that change coming anytime soon. People can call me pessimistic and negative all they want, but at least I'm honest about it and I say that as someone who supports I-73. I just don't wear rose-colored glasses.

In the current political climate, I can't disagree. However, interstate highways tend to create their own constituencies over time. If NC builds I-73 up to the VA state line and puts up an "END 73" sign right there, that sign creates political pressure to extend the freeway. And if SC can get that 6 miles of I-73 built around Latta, people coming off that road onto US 501 are going to be asking, why doesn't this go to Myrtle Beach?

True. But on the other hand, it's not going to be easy to convince others to support building an interstate that ends at the state line of another state that currently shows little to zero interest in doing their part. I could see it working in SC, but VA? Iffy at best. If it works, fantastic. If it doesn't, it would be money wasted that could've went to other projects that NC could've actually benefitted from. One of the biggest hangups here, at the state and especially the local level in Henry County, is that they can't see the forest for the trees. If I had to choose which end of I-73 to work on, I would extend it to SC first before I would VA.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on July 11, 2016, 07:50:25 PM


This article basically tells us that Roanoke is tired of politics playing hot potato with I-73. Politics in VA knows I-73 will benefit SW VA but they choose to ignore it (other than telling them they have no money while sending money to NoVA).



(Emphasis added is mine)

This is mostly bunk...

NoVa (along with Hampton Roads) gets a larger share of transportation $ because they have special Transportation Authorities that exist because the state legislature allows these regions to impose extra Sales Tax, Grantor’s Tax, and Transient Occupancy Tax.  This extra tax money is viewed as a pass-through by VDOT on their budget and that money goes right back to these districts and the Authority decides what projects to use it on.  So these places get more money because they pay for it directly and specifically for transportation projects.  In addition, NoVa counties put up as much as 9 figures a year per county to do transportation projects.

Southwestern Virginia already has an I-73-size project going on: Coalfields Expressway, which as of 2013 is estimated to cost between $2.6B and $5.1B depending on how much of the non-traditional construction method they can use (see - http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/Bristol/Coalfields_Expressway_Briefing.pdf).  VDOT's 2016 budget for the entire state is $5.3B.  And their FAQ suggests 20 years to build it all.  Not to mention they are still not done widening US 58 across the bottom.  And I-81 is 50 years old in many places and needs updating.

Money also flows from NoVa to rural areas of Virginia for non-transportation stuff (schools, etc.). 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 11, 2016, 10:24:16 PM

If I were to be brutally honest about it, I would be shocked if I-73 even crossed state lines from NC. With SC seemingly getting stonewalled everytime they're on the verge of getting I-73 started and VA not giving a shit about I-73 except for Bill Stanley and the city of Roanoke (I would add Martinsville, but some of the Henry County supervisors shot themselves in the foot), I don't think I-73 will exist outside of NC. There would have to be major political changes in VA and SC for I-73 to be built in those two states and I don't see that change coming anytime soon. People can call me pessimistic and negative all they want, but at least I'm honest about it and I say that as someone who supports I-73. I just don't wear rose-colored glasses.

In the current political climate, I can't disagree. However, interstate highways tend to create their own constituencies over time. If NC builds I-73 up to the VA state line and puts up an "END 73" sign right there, that sign creates political pressure to extend the freeway. And if SC can get that 6 miles of I-73 built around Latta, people coming off that road onto US 501 are going to be asking, why doesn't this go to Myrtle Beach?


Good. that is what needs to be done. NC is going to build I-73 up to VA state line, and south to SC state line as long as fund allows them anyways. Political pressure to extend the freeway is how the people who support new interstates can win the battle (not war). But that isn't always the case, however.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 12, 2016, 09:18:55 AM
Southwestern Virginia already has an I-73-size project going on: Coalfields Expressway, which as of 2013 is estimated to cost between $2.6B and $5.1B depending on how much of the non-traditional construction method they can use (see - http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/Bristol/Coalfields_Expressway_Briefing.pdf).  VDOT's 2016 budget for the entire state is $5.3B.  And their FAQ suggests 20 years to build it all.

Can somebody please explain to me how the Coalfields Expressway, in the middle of nowhere in an area that's dirt poor with little civilization that has about as much chance for economic development as US-52 in WV, is worth that kind of investment compared to I-73 in VA that actually connects cities and has a better chance of bringing economic development between Greensboro, the 3rd largest city in NC, and Roanoke, the largest city and economic hub of SW VA with a population nearing 100,000? Because looking at it on paper, it doesn't make a damn bit of sense to me.

People like to bitch about NC building so-called "highways to nowhere"....I don't see how NC could ever top this.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on July 12, 2016, 09:48:38 AM
Here is the 2013 Economic Study for US 121 - http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/CoalfieldsExpressway/Economics_Impact_of_the_Coalfields_Expressway_2013.pdf

Noteworthy is that they come out and say that West Virginia is expected to reap 70% of the overall economic benefit...

Only skimmed through this...they appear to say only service-related jobs would be a given in the future as a result of US 121 and only broadly speculate that other kinds of jobs could be easier to materialize with a better road through this region.

They say it knocks off an hour to get to the Ports of Virginia and they also tout the fact that travel time on VA 83 from Pound to WV would be cut in half, to about an hour.

I'm not a huge fan of this project but Congress made this a high-priority corridor so it has legs from that...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 12, 2016, 11:09:27 AM
Here is the 2013 Economic Study for US 121 - http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/CoalfieldsExpressway/Economics_Impact_of_the_Coalfields_Expressway_2013.pdf

Noteworthy is that they come out and say that West Virginia is expected to reap 70% of the overall economic benefit...

Only skimmed through this...they appear to say only service-related jobs would be a given in the future as a result of US 121 and only broadly speculate that other kinds of jobs could be easier to materialize with a better road through this region.

They say it knocks off an hour to get to the Ports of Virginia and they also tout the fact that travel time on VA 83 from Pound to WV would be cut in half, to about an hour.

I'm not a huge fan of this project but Congress made this a high-priority corridor so it has legs from that...


Not a huge fan of that project either because it seems to be built in a middle of nowhere.....
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 12, 2016, 11:19:31 AM
Here is the 2013 Economic Study for US 121 - http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/resources/CoalfieldsExpressway/Economics_Impact_of_the_Coalfields_Expressway_2013.pdf

Noteworthy is that they come out and say that West Virginia is expected to reap 70% of the overall economic benefit...

Only skimmed through this...they appear to say only service-related jobs would be a given in the future as a result of US 121 and only broadly speculate that other kinds of jobs could be easier to materialize with a better road through this region.

They say it knocks off an hour to get to the Ports of Virginia and they also tout the fact that travel time on VA 83 from Pound to WV would be cut in half, to about an hour.

I'm not a huge fan of this project but Congress made this a high-priority corridor so it has legs from that...

It just confirms my first impression: a complete waste of money. Of course WV will benefit the most from it since the CFX would end at I-77/I-64. Whatever development that might occur would mostly be near that interchange. The rest of the route? Nope, can't see it. Also, what use would having access to the ports be for the CFX other than for the coal industry, which has been in decline in recent years? It amazes me that VA supports a useless project like this but continues to shit on I-73. :banghead:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on July 12, 2016, 11:58:50 AM
Coal may be in decline but as of 2011 (per pg. 40 of the economic study) coal was still far and away the state of Virginia's largest export...

Their source for that stat in the report (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/state/data/va.html) shows that in 2015 coal is still #2 though the value has come down quite a bit.

This does seem like an awful lot of $ for Virginia to put towards a project that mostly helps WV.  But development could be possible where it crosses US 23 and US 460 which are well-connected to other parts of the world.  But a boondoggle nonetheless.  Imagine what it would cost if they tried to make it an interstate...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 12, 2016, 01:55:06 PM
Imagine what it would cost if they tried to make it an interstate...

Shhhh! Don't give them any ideas. :pan:
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on July 12, 2016, 02:12:11 PM
Roanoke and Greensboro are already connected by a perfectly good four-lane route. I'll bet the people in Wise, Dickenson, Buchanan, McDowell, Wyoming and western Raleigh counties would love to have a road the quality of existing US 220 to link them. I've said it before and I will continue to say it -- it seems ridiculous to build a new four-lane road parallel to a perfectly fine existing four-lane road when there are other places that would benefit greatly from new construction of a four-lane road.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on July 12, 2016, 03:25:34 PM
What HB said.   SW Virginia (more on that later) remains very physically seperated from the rest of the world.   Projects like 121, 460, 23, and 58 will open that area up.

As to the whole "well Roanoke has this or that".  Virginia is, sad to say, getting more and more run by people that have never been outside NOVA and keep moving SW Virgina east.  Eventually I look for Harrisonburg to be in SW Virginia to these people.  It is 4 hours of hard driving from Roanoke to the Cumberland Gap.  Both the White House and the ocean and Hampton Roads are closer.

To me "SW Virginia" is the part that drains (eventually) to the Tennessee via the Clinch or to the Ohio via the Big Sandy or the New/Kanawha.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: 74/171FAN on July 12, 2016, 04:15:56 PM
What HB said.   SW Virginia (more on that later) remains very physically seperated from the rest of the world.   Projects like 121, 460, 23, and 58 will open that area up.

As to the whole "well Roanoke has this or that".  Virginia is, sad to say, getting more and more run by people that have never been outside NOVA and keep moving SW Virgina east.  Eventually I look for Harrisonburg to be in SW Virginia to these people.  It is 4 hours of hard driving from Roanoke to the Cumberland Gap.  Both the White House and the ocean and Hampton Roads are closer.

To me "SW Virginia" is the part that drains (eventually) to the Tennessee via the Clinch or to the Ohio via the Big Sandy or the New/Kanawha.

As long as Virginia Tech exists, there will be at least plenty of people in NoVA that have gone as far southwest as the Blacksburg-Christiansburg area.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 12, 2016, 05:53:45 PM
Roanoke and Greensboro are already connected by a perfectly good four-lane route. I'll bet the people in Wise, Dickenson, Buchanan, McDowell, Wyoming and western Raleigh counties would love to have a road the quality of existing US 220 to link them. I've said it before and I will continue to say it -- it seems ridiculous to build a new four-lane road parallel to a perfectly fine existing four-lane road when there are other places that would benefit greatly from new construction of a four-lane road.


Perfectly good four lane route? Sorry.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: seicer on July 13, 2016, 08:07:03 AM
What's wrong with it? It's not interstate quality? That's hardly a qualifier in justifying spending an exorbitant amount of money to build a parallel four-lane route.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Thing 342 on July 13, 2016, 09:33:13 AM
Virginia shouldn't spend a penny on I-73 until I-81 is widened to 3+ lanes between I-66 and I-77. There are much better ways to spend road money in Southwestern Virginia than upgrading a four-lane route that adequately handles the traffic it carries.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: mvak36 on July 13, 2016, 10:27:20 AM
Virginia shouldn't spend a penny on I-73 until I-81 is widened to 3+ lanes between I-66 and I-77. There are much better ways to spend road money in Southwestern Virginia than upgrading a four-lane route that adequately handles the traffic it carries.

I agree. I want to see them 3-lane I-81 first. Are there any plans currently to upgrades parts of that corridor?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MazdaStrider on July 13, 2016, 11:00:18 AM
Virginia shouldn't spend a penny on I-73 until I-81 is widened to 3+ lanes between I-66 and I-77. There are much better ways to spend road money in Southwestern Virginia than upgrading a four-lane route that adequately handles the traffic it carries.

I agree. I want to see them 3-lane I-81 first. Are there any plans currently to upgrades parts of that corridor?




Tell that to Richmond. Don't be surprised if they put that off.

As of the plans, last I heard there was a study about it back in 2012. Since then, I don't know. They are improving some areas along I-81 though.

link to the website: http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/corridors/interstate_81_projects.asp
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 13, 2016, 11:25:11 AM
Virginia shouldn't spend a penny on I-73 until I-81 is widened to 3+ lanes between I-66 and I-77. There are much better ways to spend road money in Southwestern Virginia than upgrading a four-lane route that adequately handles the traffic it carries.

I agree. I want to see them 3-lane I-81 first. Are there any plans currently to upgrades parts of that corridor?




Tell that to Richmond. Don't be surprised if they put that off.

As of the plans, last I heard there was a study about it back in 2012. Since then, I don't know. They are improving some areas along I-81 though.

link to the website: http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/corridors/interstate_81_projects.asp

Plus, the last time the idea of widening I-81 was brought up, there was opposition from environmental and historical groups. I haven't heard of any plans to widen I-81 since then (that didn't include tolls), other than that feasibility study. I-81 tends to get the same treatment as I-95 in NC. I-95 is used mainly by long-distance traffic and doesn't directly (indirectly by I-40) serve any economic hubs like the nearby Triangle and I-81 doesn't serve Richmond or NoVA (not directly), so there ya go.

http://www.smartergrowth.net/news-parent/press-releases/depth-of-opposition-grows-to-massive-i-81-widening/ (http://www.smartergrowth.net/news-parent/press-releases/depth-of-opposition-grows-to-massive-i-81-widening/)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: seicer on July 13, 2016, 12:09:27 PM
There is a huge difference in widening by adding an extra lane and overkill, with truck and car lanes, extra lanes... without even considering upgrading a nearby freight line (for instance).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: MazdaStrider on July 13, 2016, 12:25:35 PM
There is a huge difference in widening by adding an extra lane and overkill, with truck and car lanes, extra lanes... without even considering upgrading a nearby freight line (for instance).


I don't know. I know there are heavy truck traffic on I-81, but if were oppositions on widening I-81 in VA, that is probably why I have not heard of any plans to widen it lately. Yes, I-81 needs widening, but again, traffic usually will still be heavy because trucks usually follow interstates, not US routes. (some of them still uses US routes, but most of them prefer interstates). I-73 will be another interstate between I-77 and I-64 junctions. Believe me when I say this, when I-73 is being built, you will see more traffic using I-73 which can result in reduced traffic along I-81 among other reasons. That is one of the reasons why they want I-73. Somehow they knew a US route is not enough to bring jobs and economy to SW VA who needs to blossom.

Because if US 220 is fine as it is, then they probably don't need I-73. Unfortunately, they have been wanting I-73 for YEARS, which tells us something. I have been to Martinsville and Rocky Mount (cities between Greensboro and Roanoke), and I can see and understand why they want a interstate nearby. I support I-73 because it doesn't only provide a quicker link between Greensboro and Roanoke, but I want to see cities in SW VA expand. Having a interstate access is one of the steps in expanding SW VA area. If I have that kind of money to build I-73, I would do give it to them.

They want I-73 for many years and they deserve to have a interstate running near them.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 13, 2016, 12:27:34 PM
What's wrong with it? It's not interstate quality? That's hardly a qualifier in justifying spending an exorbitant amount of money to build a parallel four-lane route.

I wouldn't be opposed to upgrading existing US-220 to I-73, though I'm not sure how feasible it would be to upgrade the entire route. I haven't driven the section from Martinsville to Rocky Mount, but I drove US-220 from Rocky Mount to Roanoke and I hated it. There are sharp curves and steep inclines, numerous businesses and at-grades and the number of semi trucks on the road didn't exactly make for a good combination. It was a pain in the ass. I don't know what the scientific figures are for the truck counts on US-220, but judging from what I encountered, it wasn't too far behind I-81. The road from Rocky Mount to the point it becomes a freeway in Roanoke sure as hell didn't seem "adequate" to me.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 13, 2016, 12:34:35 PM
There is a huge difference in widening by adding an extra lane and overkill, with truck and car lanes, extra lanes... without even considering upgrading a nearby freight line (for instance).


I don't know. I know there are heavy truck traffic on I-81, but if were oppositions on widening I-81 in VA, that is probably why I have not heard of any plans to widen it lately. Yes, I-81 needs widening, but again, traffic usually will still be heavy because trucks usually follow interstates, not US routes. (some of them still uses US routes, but most of them prefer interstates). I-73 will be another interstate between I-77 and I-64 junctions. Believe me when I say this, when I-73 is being built, you will see more traffic using I-73 which can result in reduced traffic along I-81 among other reasons. That is one of the reasons why they want I-73. Somehow they knew a US route is not enough to bring jobs and economy to SW VA who needs to blossom.

Because if US 220 is fine as it is, then they probably don't need I-73. Unfortunately, they have been wanting I-73 for YEARS, which tells us something. I have been to Martinsville and Rocky Mount (cities between Greensboro and Roanoke), and I can see and understand why they want a interstate nearby. I support I-73 because it doesn't only provide a quicker link between Greensboro and Roanoke, but I want to see cities in SW VA expand. Having a interstate access is one of the steps in expanding SW VA area. If I have that kind of money to build I-73, I would do give it to them.

They want I-73 for many years and they deserve to have a interstate running near them.

 :clap:. Not to mention that Greensboro would benefit quite a bit from it since it would have a direct interstate link to I-81 and once I-73 is finished in SC, it would have direct acces to I-95 and points south, making Greensboro even more of a transportation hub, similar to Memphis. Too bad the I-83 extension idea along US-29 didn't pan out but that's a different topic.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on July 13, 2016, 01:00:02 PM
What's wrong with it? It's not interstate quality? That's hardly a qualifier in justifying spending an exorbitant amount of money to build a parallel four-lane route.

I wouldn't be opposed to upgrading existing US-220 to I-73, though I'm not sure how feasible it would be to upgrade the entire route. I haven't driven the section from Martinsville to Rocky Mount, but I drove US-220 from Rocky Mount to Roanoke and I hated it. There are sharp curves and steep inclines, numerous businesses and at-grades and the number of semi trucks on the road didn't exactly make for a good combination. It was a pain in the ass. I don't know what the scientific figures are for the truck counts on US-220, but judging from what I encountered, it wasn't too far behind I-81. The road from Rocky Mount to the point it becomes a freeway in Roanoke sure as hell didn't seem "adequate" to me.

The 2015 traffic data is out and it shows truck traffic at 12% in the Martinsville area; 10% up through Franklin County; 4% on I-581 (in raw numbers these work out to about 1200-2000 in Martinsville, 1500-2500 up through Franklin County, and about 3000 AADT trucks on I-581).

Compare that to I-81 which is 21% in the Roanoke area (12,000 AADT trucks ballpark); 30% or more from Exit 150 to Staunton (though only about 7k AADT).  I-77 has 25-30% trucks which works out to AADTs of 5-6k.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 13, 2016, 01:26:30 PM
What's wrong with it? It's not interstate quality? That's hardly a qualifier in justifying spending an exorbitant amount of money to build a parallel four-lane route.

I wouldn't be opposed to upgrading existing US-220 to I-73, though I'm not sure how feasible it would be to upgrade the entire route. I haven't driven the section from Martinsville to Rocky Mount, but I drove US-220 from Rocky Mount to Roanoke and I hated it. There are sharp curves and steep inclines, numerous businesses and at-grades and the number of semi trucks on the road didn't exactly make for a good combination. It was a pain in the ass. I don't know what the scientific figures are for the truck counts on US-220, but judging from what I encountered, it wasn't too far behind I-81. The road from Rocky Mount to the point it becomes a freeway in Roanoke sure as hell didn't seem "adequate" to me.

The 2015 traffic data is out and it shows truck traffic at 12% in the Martinsville area; 10% up through Franklin County; 4% on I-581 (in raw numbers these work out to about 1200-2000 in Martinsville, 1500-2500 up through Franklin County, and about 3000 AADT trucks on I-581).

Compare that to I-81 which is 21% in the Roanoke area (12,000 AADT trucks ballpark); 30% or more from Exit 150 to Staunton (though only about 7k AADT).  I-77 has 25-30% trucks which works out to AADTs of 5-6k.


Do you know why I-77 has 25-30% trucks? because truckers follow interstate. Most of them probably have to drive on interstates all the way from Raleigh, or somewhere southeast.

And you only use AADT to prove anything. It does not prove anything UNLESS you drive on the road itself, which I have multiple times. That is why i don't bother with AADT stuff. Plus, your data came from 2015.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on July 13, 2016, 02:21:07 PM
um...I was only answering a factual question about what the numbers are...

but since you asked...

What year should data be from?  2015 data was just released.

25-30% trucks on I-77 is because not many cars drive it.  The raw truck AADT on I-77 is half of I-81's and the same as I-95 in Fredericksburg (though it is only 12% of total traffic).  So improving I-81 for trucks by adding targeted climbing lanes and fixing up the oldest parts make sense.  I-77 could use some targeted climbing lanes too.

US 220 between Rocky Mount and VA 419 could use upgrading maybe even new alignment.  But this is still well short of needing an entire interstate from Roanoke to Greensboro.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 13, 2016, 02:52:24 PM
um...I was only answering a factual question about what the numbers are...

but since you asked...

What year should data be from?  2015 data was just released.

25-30% trucks on I-77 is because not many cars drive it.  The raw truck AADT on I-77 is half of I-81's and the same as I-95 in Fredericksburg (though it is only 12% of total traffic).  So improving I-81 for trucks by adding targeted climbing lanes and fixing up the oldest parts make sense.  I-77 could use some targeted climbing lanes too.

US 220 between Rocky Mount and VA 419 could use upgrading maybe even new alignment.  But this is still well short of needing an entire interstate from Roanoke to Greensboro.



US 220 between Rocky Mount and Roanoke could use upgrading, easily. So it the section from Martinsville to Rocky Mount with a few exceptions along that alignment where a upgrade can work. So is the highway from NC state line to Martinsville. The road itself is dangerous, period. Again, you are missing the point of having an I-73 link between Roanoke and Greensboro.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on July 13, 2016, 04:01:34 PM
What's wrong with it? It's not interstate quality? That's hardly a qualifier in justifying spending an exorbitant amount of money to build a parallel four-lane route.

Agreed. Not everything has to be an interstate.

Martinsville and Rocky Mount, Va. are already in possession of easier access to an interstate than are, say, Welch or Iaeger or Pineville, WV.

As for widening I-81 and environmental impacts, seems to me that adding lanes in the median would have very little impact.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on July 13, 2016, 04:58:01 PM
Not everything has to be an interstate? Tell that to Texas and North Carolina!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 13, 2016, 06:06:09 PM
Not everything has to be an interstate? Tell that to Texas and North Carolina!

I-73 and the I-69/I-74 extensions were designated by Congress. I'm not too familiar with Texas, but here's the lowdown with NC:

Future I-42 follows the heavily traveled US-70 corridor in eastern NC connecting military bases (Seymour Johnson AFB and Cherry Point MCAS), the Global TransPark and the Port of Morehead City to I-95 and I-40.

Future I-885, combined with part of NC-540, provides a north-south route through the heart of the Triangle, which is one of the fastest growing metros in the US, and connects Research Triangle Park to I-85 and the Northeast.

Future I-285 links Winston-Salem and the remainder of the Triad not directly served by I-85 with I-85 and points south such as Charlotte and Atlanta.

Future I-295 in Fayetteville will provide a direct connection to Fort Bragg from I-95 without having to go through downtown Fayetteville.

The future extension of I-795 from Goldsboro to I-40 near Faison along the US-117 corridor provides a direct connection to Wilmington from I-95 and points north of Wilson and will serve as a shortcut for trucks coming to and from the Port of Wilmington from I-95 and points north, which will help reduce truck traffic on I-95 between Benson and Wilson.

Future I-87 will connect the Triangle and Hampton Roads, although I understand it's criticism due to it's routing.

Now, I'll admit that I-785 between Greensboro and Danville isn't necessary. There's nothing in Danville that warrants an interstate by itself. Only an extension of I-83 (which obviously isn't gonna happen) would make upgrading US-29 worth it since it would've been a great alternative to the parking lot the congested section of I-95 between Richmond and DC.

So, other than questionable I-87 and useless I-785, which of those corridors in NC doesn't warrant interstate status?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 13, 2016, 06:28:16 PM
What's wrong with it? It's not interstate quality? That's hardly a qualifier in justifying spending an exorbitant amount of money to build a parallel four-lane route.

Agreed. Not everything has to be an interstate.

Martinsville and Rocky Mount, Va. are already in possession of easier access to an interstate than are, say, Welch or Iaeger or Pineville, WV.

As for widening I-81 and environmental impacts, seems to me that adding lanes in the median would have very little impact.



Seeing you're from Kentucky, you can tell them that since they're turning their parkways into interstates. Their parkways are in a better shape than US 220. If you are fine with them building I-69, then your argument is invalid.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on July 13, 2016, 07:21:39 PM
How is his argument invalid.  Yes, some parkways are being incorporated into I-69, and there is the now-dead I-66 proposal, but other than those, I'm not aware of any other proposals to incorporate Kentucky parkways into interstates with the exception of the ones originating from the mayor of Owensboro.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 13, 2016, 07:30:34 PM
How is his argument invalid.  Yes, some parkways are being incorporated into I-69, and there is the now-dead I-66 proposal, but other than those, I'm not aware of any other proposals to incorporate Kentucky parkways into interstates with the exception of the ones originating from the mayor of Owensboro.


His argument is that not everything needs to be an interstate. again, see Kentucky and I-69 (i also hear they are planning I-565 and I-67). See I-41. See I-49. See the proposed I-11. Even Texas is trying to have I-14 running across the state. Interstates are going to get built whether we like it or not. Get over it.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 13, 2016, 07:35:27 PM
Back to I-73 topic:

Here is the update on the construction of I-73 north of Greensboro (I didn't take pictures because the crew were working while I drove by):

Exit 107: (I-73/I-840/Bryan Blvd interchange): They are working on extending I-840 up north past the interchange, but on the I-73 north ramp, they are almost done with the widening of the ramp to I-73 North from 2 to 3 lanes (all they have to do is put asphalt on the road itself and they just started when I crossed the road on Inman Rd. overpass (the overpass is complete and open to traffic).

PTI Taxiway area: The taxiway area is nearly finished. You can now see the taxiway when you drive down the ramp from Old Oak Ridge Rd to Bryan Blvd west (future I-73), the roadway is still under construction, however.

Exit 110 interchange (NC 68 South): No changes so far. They are still working on relocating Pleasant Ridge Rd before more work can be done on the interchange itself.

Exit 111 interchange (NC 68 North): They are adding bridge decks to the I-73 bridge across NC 68.

Alcorn Rd. overpass: The bridge is complete and traffic rerouted to it. They cleaned up the old alignment and removed it. They are working on grading I-73 lanes under the bridge.

Bunch Rd. overpass: The bridge is almost done. (3/4 complete) They also started working on rerouting Bunch Rd. traffic by grading the new road on both approaches to the bridge.

Brookbank Rd. overpass and Reddy Fork River bridges: As of Brookbank Rd. overpass, they have not started, but they cleared the hill and the grading is visible when I drove past it. They also finished grading the approaches to the bridge on Brookbank Rd.

As of the Reddy Fork River bridges, the southbound lanes bridge is nearly done as they just finished covering the bridge deck with concrete. The northbound lanes bridge still have bridge piers, but they're about to switch work from the southbound bridge to northbound bridge soon though.

Exit 116: NC 150 interchange: (1/4 complete) That is where they are doing a heavy road work. They're building the bridge and within a week, the bridge piers are already finished. They're working on the bridge supporters, which looks 3/4 complete. They also worked on grading I-73 lanes, facing north.

Deboe Rd. overpass: the bridge is complete, but traffic have not been rerouted yet. If you stand near the overpass and look up north, with the distance, you can see US 220 South flyover bridge ahead. They are working on grading the I-73 lanes.

Exit 119: US 220 interchange: The interchange is complete, so the only thing they need to do is put the asphalt on the I-73 lanes.

Exit 120: US 158 interchange: (3/4 complete) They are working on grading the northbound lanes of I-73 and the US 158 off ramp from I-73. They also are putting up stoplights at the end of the ramp from I-73 to US 158 on both sides.

Guilford/Rockingham County line: They have not started grading the southbound lanes of I-73. but a very little grading can be noticed.

Exit 122: NC 65 interchange: The interchange is 3/4 complete, because the bridge is complete, but traffic have not been rerouted to cross the highway via the bridge. They are still working on grading the southbound lanes of I-73 and the off ramp to NC 65 just north of the interchange.

Exit 123: NC 68 partial interchange: (1/4 complete) They are almost finished with building the bridge supporters, so a few things they need to do is: 1. put up the bridge deck, 2. finish grading I-73 southbound lanes north and south of the bridge, and 3. reconnect NC 68 northbound lane to I-73/US 220 lanes... it seems like they are working on relocating the future northbound ramp a little west to the current temporary US 220 lanes.

I don't know of the progress on the south part of I-73 and I-74 near Rockingham. Maybe someone can tell us.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on July 13, 2016, 07:56:43 PM
How is his argument invalid.  Yes, some parkways are being incorporated into I-69, and there is the now-dead I-66 proposal, but other than those, I'm not aware of any other proposals to incorporate Kentucky parkways into interstates with the exception of the ones originating from the mayor of Owensboro.


His argument is that not everything needs to be an interstate. again, see Kentucky and I-69 (i also hear they are planning I-565 and I-67). See I-41. See I-49. See the proposed I-11. Even Texas is trying to have I-14 running across the state. Interstates are going to get built whether we like it or not. Get over it.

Well...since HB thought I-66 across E. Kentucky wasn't a good idea for the same reason he gives for not being a fan of I-73, I'd say his argument is pretty consistent.  This is reply #8 to this thread from him:  https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17181.0

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Saw a story today that indicates I-66 is dead in Kentucky. I would expect that the Cumberland Parkway (northeast bypass of Somerset) extension to KY 80 will be done at some point, but that may be it. And really, that makes sense. Building a four-lane through eastern Pike County to enter West Virginia near Matewan makes no sense after US 119 was four-laned just a few miles north of where the new route would go. The state is building a new route to connect KY 80 near the Knott-Floyd county line with US 23 near the Floyd-Pike line, which will cut down on the travel time between Hazard and Pikeville. Kentucky just made a huge cut to its transportation budget because of declining gas tax revenues and the legislature failed to shore up the gas tax floor in time. Unless I-66 is 100 percent federally funded, it's probably not going to happen despite what Hal Rogers wants.

Some interstates may or may not get built quickly or at all...we should get over that, too.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: vdeane on July 13, 2016, 07:57:28 PM
How is his argument invalid.  Yes, some parkways are being incorporated into I-69, and there is the now-dead I-66 proposal, but other than those, I'm not aware of any other proposals to incorporate Kentucky parkways into interstates with the exception of the ones originating from the mayor of Owensboro.


His argument is that not everything needs to be an interstate. again, see Kentucky and I-69 (i also hear they are planning I-565 and I-67). See I-41. See I-49. See the proposed I-11. Even Texas is trying to have I-14 running across the state. Interstates are going to get built whether we like it or not. Get over it.
There is a middle ground in between "let's never built any interstates ever" (what you claim HB Elkins and myself are saying, even though we aren't) and spamming them out like Texas, North Carolina, and FrtizOwl like to do.  I support parts of I-11, I-69, and I-73, and would like to see I-86 and I-99 both get finished (even though they're now as likely to get done as an interstate along US 11 in northern NY, which I also support but is never going to happen).  I-74 strikes me as redundant and has resulted in a duplicate interstate number.  I-87 is similar.  I don't know enough about I-42 to form a strong opinion on it, but NC's interstate grid does seem to be getting quite dense.  I also don't support the suffixed interstate nonsense in southern Texas (seriously, they probably don't even need three freeways there, much less three interstates, and definitely three I-69s... can't they just leave two of them as US routes?).

And, of course, just because something is congressionally designated doesn't mean it will actually get built.  Just look at I-74 outside of the Carolinas.  I doubt the feds have the ability of will to force a state to build a road.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 13, 2016, 07:57:42 PM
How is his argument invalid.  Yes, some parkways are being incorporated into I-69, and there is the now-dead I-66 proposal, but other than those, I'm not aware of any other proposals to incorporate Kentucky parkways into interstates with the exception of the ones originating from the mayor of Owensboro.


see Kentucky and I-69 (i also hear they are planning I-565 and I-67).

I-67 isn't being built, although a study was done. But you're right that most of Kentucky's parkways are planned for interstate status. There's also the most recent I-169 proposal (which passed the Senate) introduced in Congress by Sen. Rand Paul for the remainder of the Pennyrile Parkway from I-69 near Mortons Gap to I-24 near Hopkinsville.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 13, 2016, 07:59:26 PM
Back to I-73 topic:

Here is the update on the construction of I-73 north of Greensboro (I didn't take pictures because the crew were working while I drove by):

Exit 107: (I-73/I-840/Bryan Blvd interchange): They are working on extending I-840 up north past the interchange, but on the I-73 north ramp, they are almost done with the widening of the ramp to I-73 North from 2 to 3 lanes (all they have to do is put asphalt on the road itself and they just started when I crossed the road on Inman Rd. overpass (the overpass is complete and open to traffic).

PTI Taxiway area: The taxiway area is nearly finished. You can now see the taxiway when you drive down the ramp from Old Oak Ridge Rd to Bryan Blvd west (future I-73), the roadway is still under construction, however.

Exit 110 interchange (NC 68 South): No changes so far. They are still working on relocating Pleasant Ridge Rd before more work can be done on the interchange itself.

Exit 111 interchange (NC 68 North): They are adding bridge decks to the I-73 bridge across NC 68.

Alcorn Rd. overpass: The bridge is complete and traffic rerouted to it. They cleaned up the old alignment and removed it. They are working on grading I-73 lanes under the bridge.

Bunch Rd. overpass: The bridge is almost done. (3/4 complete) They also started working on rerouting Bunch Rd. traffic by grading the new road on both approaches to the bridge.

Brookbank Rd. overpass and Reddy Fork River bridges: As of Brookbank Rd. overpass, they have not started, but they cleared the hill and the grading is visible when I drove past it. They also finished grading the approaches to the bridge on Brookbank Rd.

As of the Reddy Fork River bridges, the southbound lanes bridge is nearly done as they just finished covering the bridge deck with concrete. The northbound lanes bridge still have bridge piers, but they're about to switch work from the southbound bridge to northbound bridge soon though.

Exit 116: NC 150 interchange: (1/4 complete) That is where they are doing a heavy road work. They're building the bridge and within a week, the bridge piers are already finished. They're working on the bridge supporters, which looks 3/4 complete. They also worked on grading I-73 lanes, facing north.

Deboe Rd. overpass: the bridge is complete, but traffic have not been rerouted yet. If you stand near the overpass and look up north, with the distance, you can see US 220 South flyover bridge ahead. They are working on grading the I-73 lanes.

Exit 119: US 220 interchange: The interchange is complete, so the only thing they need to do is put the asphalt on the I-73 lanes.

Exit 120: US 158 interchange: (3/4 complete) They are working on grading the northbound lanes of I-73 and the US 158 off ramp from I-73. They also are putting up stoplights at the end of the ramp from I-73 to US 158 on both sides.

Guilford/Rockingham County line: They have not started grading the southbound lanes of I-73. but a very little grading can be noticed.

Exit 122: NC 65 interchange: The interchange is 3/4 complete, because the bridge is complete, but traffic have not been rerouted to cross the highway via the bridge. They are still working on grading the southbound lanes of I-73 and the off ramp to NC 65 just north of the interchange.

Exit 123: NC 68 partial interchange: (1/4 complete) They are almost finished with building the bridge supporters, so a few things they need to do is: 1. put up the bridge deck, 2. finish grading I-73 southbound lanes north and south of the bridge, and 3. reconnect NC 68 northbound lane to I-73/US 220 lanes... it seems like they are working on relocating the future northbound ramp a little west to the current temporary US 220 lanes.

I don't know of the progress on the south part of I-73 and I-74 near Rockingham. Maybe someone can tell us.

Thanks for the update. I think I-73 from Bryan Boulevard to US-220 is supposed to open in December if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 13, 2016, 08:27:52 PM
Back to I-73 topic:

Here is the update on the construction of I-73 north of Greensboro (I didn't take pictures because the crew were working while I drove by):

Exit 107: (I-73/I-840/Bryan Blvd interchange): They are working on extending I-840 up north past the interchange, but on the I-73 north ramp, they are almost done with the widening of the ramp to I-73 North from 2 to 3 lanes (all they have to do is put asphalt on the road itself and they just started when I crossed the road on Inman Rd. overpass (the overpass is complete and open to traffic).

PTI Taxiway area: The taxiway area is nearly finished. You can now see the taxiway when you drive down the ramp from Old Oak Ridge Rd to Bryan Blvd west (future I-73), the roadway is still under construction, however.

Exit 110 interchange (NC 68 South): No changes so far. They are still working on relocating Pleasant Ridge Rd before more work can be done on the interchange itself.

Exit 111 interchange (NC 68 North): They are adding bridge decks to the I-73 bridge across NC 68.

Alcorn Rd. overpass: The bridge is complete and traffic rerouted to it. They cleaned up the old alignment and removed it. They are working on grading I-73 lanes under the bridge.

Bunch Rd. overpass: The bridge is almost done. (3/4 complete) They also started working on rerouting Bunch Rd. traffic by grading the new road on both approaches to the bridge.

Brookbank Rd. overpass and Reddy Fork River bridges: As of Brookbank Rd. overpass, they have not started, but they cleared the hill and the grading is visible when I drove past it. They also finished grading the approaches to the bridge on Brookbank Rd.

As of the Reddy Fork River bridges, the southbound lanes bridge is nearly done as they just finished covering the bridge deck with concrete. The northbound lanes bridge still have bridge piers, but they're about to switch work from the southbound bridge to northbound bridge soon though.

Exit 116: NC 150 interchange: (1/4 complete) That is where they are doing a heavy road work. They're building the bridge and within a week, the bridge piers are already finished. They're working on the bridge supporters, which looks 3/4 complete. They also worked on grading I-73 lanes, facing north.

Deboe Rd. overpass: the bridge is complete, but traffic have not been rerouted yet. If you stand near the overpass and look up north, with the distance, you can see US 220 South flyover bridge ahead. They are working on grading the I-73 lanes.

Exit 119: US 220 interchange: The interchange is complete, so the only thing they need to do is put the asphalt on the I-73 lanes.

Exit 120: US 158 interchange: (3/4 complete) They are working on grading the northbound lanes of I-73 and the US 158 off ramp from I-73. They also are putting up stoplights at the end of the ramp from I-73 to US 158 on both sides.

Guilford/Rockingham County line: They have not started grading the southbound lanes of I-73. but a very little grading can be noticed.

Exit 122: NC 65 interchange: The interchange is 3/4 complete, because the bridge is complete, but traffic have not been rerouted to cross the highway via the bridge. They are still working on grading the southbound lanes of I-73 and the off ramp to NC 65 just north of the interchange.

Exit 123: NC 68 partial interchange: (1/4 complete) They are almost finished with building the bridge supporters, so a few things they need to do is: 1. put up the bridge deck, 2. finish grading I-73 southbound lanes north and south of the bridge, and 3. reconnect NC 68 northbound lane to I-73/US 220 lanes... it seems like they are working on relocating the future northbound ramp a little west to the current temporary US 220 lanes.

I don't know of the progress on the south part of I-73 and I-74 near Rockingham. Maybe someone can tell us.

Thanks for the update. I think I-73 from Bryan Boulevard to US-220 is supposed to open in December if I'm not mistaken.


Yeah they are supposed to be opening mid December. However, based on my observations, I won't be surprised if they have to move the completion date to sometime in 2017. They are working on it as fast as they could.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 13, 2016, 08:36:26 PM
How is his argument invalid.  Yes, some parkways are being incorporated into I-69, and there is the now-dead I-66 proposal, but other than those, I'm not aware of any other proposals to incorporate Kentucky parkways into interstates with the exception of the ones originating from the mayor of Owensboro.


His argument is that not everything needs to be an interstate. again, see Kentucky and I-69 (i also hear they are planning I-565 and I-67). See I-41. See I-49. See the proposed I-11. Even Texas is trying to have I-14 running across the state. Interstates are going to get built whether we like it or not. Get over it.
I don't know enough about I-42 to form a strong opinion on it, but NC's interstate grid does seem to be getting quite dense.

I-42 is definitely warranted and it couldn't come soon enough. The US-70 corridor from it's junction with I-40 near Garner just outside of Raleigh to Morehead City that I-42 will follow is the most heavily traveled highway in eastern NC and the non-freeway segments have seen numerous horrific crashes over the years and there many traffic lights and at-grades, especially from the Clayton Bypass to Kinston, (except for Goldsboro, whose bypass recently opened). There are also two military bases along the corridor, Seymour Johnson AFB in Goldsboro and Cherry Point Marine Corps Air Station in Havelock. There's also a port in Morehead City. It's also used as a hurricane evacuation route for residents and tourists on along the coast.

This should bring you up to speed:

http://www.super70corridor.com/ (http://www.super70corridor.com/)

https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/US70corridor/ (https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/US70corridor/)

You can also check out the I-42 thread for updates:

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=18287.0 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=18287.0)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on July 14, 2016, 02:27:58 PM
There are two different arguments here in which my name is being taken in vain.

One is the renumbering of existing freeways as interstates, which I support whenever possible. The other is building all new four-lane highways as limited-access, interstate-grade freeways, which I don't support, especially if one of those roads is not needed because it would parallel an existing four-lane route that functions just fine.

I've got no problem with renumbering every Kentucky parkway as an interstate. Those roads are already in existence and function as de facto interstates, although the average motorist can't tell the difference between them and an existing interstate and the money that has to be spent to bring them up to current standards (longer merge lanes, etc.) could be better spent elsewhere without impacting functionality.

At any rate, it's a whole lot cheaper to make a few changes to the Audubon Parkway and call it I-369 than it is to build a freeway parallel to US 220 between Martinsville and Roanoke.

Seeing you're from Kentucky, you can tell them that since they're turning their parkways into interstates. Their parkways are in a better shape than US 220. If you are fine with them building I-69, then your argument is invalid.

They're not building new four-lane highways parallel to existing four-lane highways. Improvements are being made to existing four-lane highways. Huge difference. A better comparison would be if some spot improvements were being made to US 220, which would be OK.

And as someone mentioned elsewhere, I-69 is something Congress is pushing and promoting. Kentucky would have been fine with leaving the WK/Pennyrile interchange the way it was.

It just doesn't make good sense to build a new four-lane road next to a perfectly good four-lane road that adequately serves traffic.

And as I'm fond of saying, not everything needs to be an interstate. The Kentucky parkways were already built as freeways. If they were being built today as free routes, not toll routes, there's no reason they shouldn't be four-lane surface routes. That's why I think the freeway-ization of the length of US 31 north of Indy is such a waste of money. The road was, and is, perfectly fine as a surface route. Sure, bypass Kokomo, but the rest is overkill.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 14, 2016, 03:21:04 PM
There are two different arguments here in which my name is being taken in vain.

One is the renumbering of existing freeways as interstates, which I support whenever possible. The other is building all new four-lane highways as limited-access, interstate-grade freeways, which I don't support, especially if one of those roads is not needed because it would parallel an existing four-lane route that functions just fine.

I've got no problem with renumbering every Kentucky parkway as an interstate. Those roads are already in existence and function as de facto interstates, although the average motorist can't tell the difference between them and an existing interstate and the money that has to be spent to bring them up to current standards (longer merge lanes, etc.) could be better spent elsewhere without impacting functionality.

At any rate, it's a whole lot cheaper to make a few changes to the Audubon Parkway and call it I-369 than it is to build a freeway parallel to US 220 between Martinsville and Roanoke.

Seeing you're from Kentucky, you can tell them that since they're turning their parkways into interstates. Their parkways are in a better shape than US 220. If you are fine with them building I-69, then your argument is invalid.

They're not building new four-lane highways parallel to existing four-lane highways. Improvements are being made to existing four-lane highways. Huge difference. A better comparison would be if some spot improvements were being made to US 220, which would be OK.

And as someone mentioned elsewhere, I-69 is something Congress is pushing and promoting. Kentucky would have been fine with leaving the WK/Pennyrile interchange the way it was.

It just doesn't make good sense to build a new four-lane road next to a perfectly good four-lane road that adequately serves traffic.

And as I'm fond of saying, not everything needs to be an interstate. The Kentucky parkways were already built as freeways. If they were being built today as free routes, not toll routes, there's no reason they shouldn't be four-lane surface routes. That's why I think the freeway-ization of the length of US 31 north of Indy is such a waste of money. The road was, and is, perfectly fine as a surface route. Sure, bypass Kokomo, but the rest is overkill.


You're still missing something: I-69 is not the only route Congress is pushing. I-11, I-14, I-73 and I-74 says hi.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 14, 2016, 03:25:13 PM
At any rate, it's a whole lot cheaper to make a few changes to the Audubon Parkway and call it I-369 than it is to build a freeway parallel to US 220 between Martinsville and Roanoke.

I don't think anybody is opposed to upgrading US-220. I'm just not sure how feasible it is. It might be doable between Martinsville and Rocky Mount, but between Rocky Mount and the beginning of the current US-220 freeway in Roanoke is a different story. Between the steep hills, sharp curves and numerous businesses, it would be a near impossible feat to upgrade that section of US-220 to interstate standards. If VA finally decides to build I-73, they may not have a choice but to build a new alignment between Rocky Mount and the existing freeway in Roanoke.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on July 14, 2016, 03:40:11 PM
Are "Strider" and "MazdaStrider" the same person? Because I have seen both names post in this forum.



Quote
You're still missing something: I-69 is not the only route Congress is pushing. I-11, I-14, I-73 and I-74 says hi.

And West Virginia is building its segments of "I-73/I-74" as surface expressways, not full-freeway interstates -- what little they are building.

At any rate, it's a whole lot cheaper to make a few changes to the Audubon Parkway and call it I-369 than it is to build a freeway parallel to US 220 between Martinsville and Roanoke.

I don't think anybody is opposed to upgrading US-220. I'm just not sure how feasible it is. It might be doable between Martinsville and Rocky Mount, but between Rocky Mount and the beginning of the current US-220 freeway in Roanoke is a different story. Between the steep hills, sharp curves and numerous businesses, it would be a near impossible feat to upgrade that section of US-220 to interstate standards. If VA finally decides to build I-73, they may not have a choice but to build a new alignment between Rocky Mount and the existing freeway in Roanoke.

Who said it had to be interstate standards? Keep it a surface route, just straighten out a few hills and curves, turn some intersections into RIROs, make a few upgrades here and there. That corridor doesn't need to be a full freeway. That's my whole point. I'd be thrilled with a road the quality of existing US 220 just about anywhere in eastern Kentucky or southwestern West Virginia.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 14, 2016, 04:02:57 PM
Are "Strider" and "MazdaStrider" the same person? Because I have seen both names post in this forum.



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You're still missing something: I-69 is not the only route Congress is pushing. I-11, I-14, I-73 and I-74 says hi.

And West Virginia is building its segments of "I-73/I-74" as surface expressways, not full-freeway interstates -- what little they are building.

At any rate, it's a whole lot cheaper to make a few changes to the Audubon Parkway and call it I-369 than it is to build a freeway parallel to US 220 between Martinsville and Roanoke.

I don't think anybody is opposed to upgrading US-220. I'm just not sure how feasible it is. It might be doable between Martinsville and Rocky Mount, but between Rocky Mount and the beginning of the current US-220 freeway in Roanoke is a different story. Between the steep hills, sharp curves and numerous businesses, it would be a near impossible feat to upgrade that section of US-220 to interstate standards. If VA finally decides to build I-73, they may not have a choice but to build a new alignment between Rocky Mount and the existing freeway in Roanoke.

Who said it had to be interstate standards? Keep it a surface route, just straighten out a few hills and curves, turn some intersections into RIROs, make a few upgrades here and there. That corridor doesn't need to be a full freeway. That's my whole point. I'd be thrilled with a road the quality of existing US 220 just about anywhere in eastern Kentucky or southwestern West Virginia.



You're still missing the point.

Now, what is the update on the I-73/74 road construction near Rockingham County in NC? Does everyone know of it?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 14, 2016, 05:33:17 PM
Now, what is the update on the I-73/74 road construction near Rockingham County in NC? Does everyone know of it?

I think you meant the town of Rockingham. Anyway, according to NCDOT"s progress report (TIP: R-3421C), it's actual progress is 48.64 percent complete. It's apparently behind schedule since it's scheduled progress is 67 percent complete. It's completion date is March 30, 2018.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 14, 2016, 06:21:46 PM
Now, what is the update on the I-73/74 road construction near Rockingham County in NC? Does everyone know of it?

I think you meant the town of Rockingham. Anyway, according to NCDOT"s progress report (TIP: R-3421C), it's actual progress is 48.64 percent complete. It's apparently behind schedule since it's scheduled progress is 67 percent complete. It's completion date is March 30, 2018.




Lol yeah, I mean the town of Rockingham. Sorry, thanks for updating :)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on July 14, 2016, 07:38:02 PM
You're still missing the point.

OK, I'll play along, o enlightened one. What is the point?



If a new interstate-quality freeway is needed between Martinsville and Roanoke, then one is also needed along the following corridors in Virginia:

Danville to Gainesville (via Lynchburg, Charlottesville and Culpeper)
Roanoke to Petersburg
Martinsville to Norfolk
Abingdon to Bluefield
Abingdon to Norton
The Tennessee state line near Kingsport/Gate City to the Kentucky state line near Pound/Jenkins

What? Those corridors already have four-lane routes?

Boom. Game, set, match. Case closed.

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 14, 2016, 08:21:33 PM
You're still missing the point.

OK, I'll play along, o enlightened one. What is the point?



If a new interstate-quality freeway is needed between Martinsville and Roanoke, then one is also needed along the following corridors in Virginia:

Danville to Gainesville (via Lynchburg, Charlottesville and Culpeper)
Roanoke to Petersburg
Martinsville to Norfolk
Abingdon to Bluefield
Abingdon to Norton
The Tennessee state line near Kingsport/Gate City to the Kentucky state line near Pound/Jenkins

What? Those corridors already have four-lane routes?

Boom. Game, set, match. Case closed.


Once again, you miss the point. That is okay. Moving on back to I-73 topic.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: CanesFan27 on July 14, 2016, 09:49:10 PM
You're still missing the point.

OK, I'll play along, o enlightened one. What is the point?



If a new interstate-quality freeway is needed between Martinsville and Roanoke, then one is also needed along the following corridors in Virginia:

Danville to Gainesville (via Lynchburg, Charlottesville and Culpeper)
Roanoke to Petersburg
Martinsville to Norfolk
Abingdon to Bluefield
Abingdon to Norton
The Tennessee state line near Kingsport/Gate City to the Kentucky state line near Pound/Jenkins

What? Those corridors already have four-lane routes?

Boom. Game, set, match. Case closed.



Once again, you miss the point. That is okay. Moving on back to I-73 topic.

Quite frankly, I don't think anyone knows what your point is.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on July 14, 2016, 10:54:33 PM
I certainly don't know what the point is, despite a request above to have it made to me.

He's trying to defend the need to build a second four-lane corridor between Martinsville and Roanoke that I quite frankly don't see the need for.

In one of the emails he sent me starting this afternoon, which I will probably post here, he basically said, "Well, someone in Virginia wants it so I want it too." Which makes no sense. Kentucky's four-laning the Mountain Parkway and I'm not in support of that because I don't see the need for it.

He's also calling me a hypocrite because I am in favor of putting interstate route markers up on Kentucky's existing former toll-road freeways but don't support building a redundant four-lane route between Martinsville and Roanoke. There's a big difference between putting up new signs on an existing road and building an entirely new road. Of course, I think it's ridiculous that the feds are requiring small upgrades to the Kentucky parkways when most motorists couldn't tell the difference between them and a rural four-lane interstate, and they are probably closer to modern standards than any number of existing interstates (I-70 between Washington and New Stanton, or I-68 through Cumberland, just to name two.)

I'm all ears as to the point I'm missing.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 14, 2016, 11:32:50 PM
You're still missing the point.

OK, I'll play along, o enlightened one. What is the point?



If a new interstate-quality freeway is needed between Martinsville and Roanoke, then one is also needed along the following corridors in Virginia:

Danville to Gainesville (via Lynchburg, Charlottesville and Culpeper)
Roanoke to Petersburg
Martinsville to Norfolk
Abingdon to Bluefield
Abingdon to Norton
The Tennessee state line near Kingsport/Gate City to the Kentucky state line near Pound/Jenkins

What? Those corridors already have four-lane routes?

Boom. Game, set, match. Case closed.



Once again, you miss the point. That is okay. Moving on back to I-73 topic.

Quite frankly, I don't think anyone knows what your point is.


It depends on who you're asking.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: seicer on July 15, 2016, 08:37:44 AM
Nope. I'm not seeing your point, or a point to your condescending posts, Strider. Other than offering no evidence as to why you believe a parallel four-lane interstate should be built next to a four-lane highway which is nowhere near its design traffic capacity, has no level-of-service issues, and which will not bring any further development than the four-lane highway already has...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 15, 2016, 10:28:04 AM
Nope. I'm not seeing your point, or a point to your condescending posts, Strider. Other than offering no evidence as to why you believe a parallel four-lane interstate should be built next to a four-lane highway which is nowhere near its design traffic capacity, has no level-of-service issues, and which will not bring any further development than the four-lane highway already has...

Evidences are mentioned in the thread. I suggest you to start reading the whole thread. Also, the point is about the purpose of I-73, not my point. Read the sentences carefully, I said "THE point", not "MY point". The point as in the point of the project, and I support it and I already stated why I support it. If you don't like it, let the CTB know. If you want to discuss this farther, take it to the personal message otherwise I am moving on.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on July 15, 2016, 11:35:29 AM
If Martinsville needs an interstate, get North Carolina to slap an x40 or x85 designation onto whatever interstate upgrades it builds north of Greensboro. Or let them do with I-73 what they do with I-74, and kill the designation at the VA/NC state line.

That makes three of us (Adam, Sherman and me) who don't get the point. And all three of us have been around for awhile, at least 20 years since MTR's heyday.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: seicer on July 15, 2016, 12:36:21 PM
Evidences are mentioned in the thread. I suggest you to start reading the whole thread. Also, the point is about the purpose of I-73, not my point. Read the sentences carefully, I said "THE point", not "MY point". The point as in the point of the project, and I support it and I already stated why I support it. If you don't like it, let the CTB know. If you want to discuss this farther, take it to the personal message otherwise I am moving on.

Considering that I've been on AARoads since its inception and have been following this thread since it was created - and was around on newsgroups (misc.transport.road, for one), your ignorance is noted.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on July 15, 2016, 01:35:55 PM
Evidences are mentioned in the thread. I suggest you to start reading the whole thread. Also, the point is about the purpose of I-73, not my point. Read the sentences carefully, I said "THE point", not "MY point". The point as in the point of the project, and I support it and I already stated why I support it. If you don't like it, let the CTB know. If you want to discuss this farther, take it to the personal message otherwise I am moving on.

Considering that I've been on AARoads since its inception and have been following this thread since it was created - and was around on newsgroups (misc.transport.road, for one), your ignorance is noted.

Careful, old friend, or you'll start getting private email messages and you'll be informed you've been reported to the AA Roads mods.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: seicer on July 15, 2016, 03:30:44 PM
Like... this sent from Strider at 1302?

"Or maybe it is you who is having a lack of knowledge since I live on the proposed path of I-73. Also, I also have been around since this thread started as well. Thank you very much. Now your ignorance is also noted."
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: noelbotevera on July 15, 2016, 04:37:58 PM
I'll be honest, I kept up with I-73/I-74 crap ever since 2005. I may have been a year old, but I still keep tabs here and there.

Make that four...I guess?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on July 15, 2016, 05:13:21 PM
This thread seems to be morphing into something resembling Monty Python's "Argument Clinic" sketch.   :-P  Really needs to get back on track minus the personal animosity!
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: US71 on July 15, 2016, 11:00:51 PM
Are "Strider" and "MazdaStrider" the same person? Because I have seen both names post in this forum.


Yes.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on July 26, 2016, 12:11:37 AM
A source reports that NCDOT has indicated that they plan to open the I-73 segments north of Greensboro in November. IMO this is more likely for the segments from PTI Airport to US 220, than to the north.

I have posted contributed photos of I-73 construction taken about a week ago to my Segments 2 and 3 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)
and to Segment 4 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)

You can judge for yourself which segments appear more likely to opened this year.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 27, 2016, 10:46:28 PM
A source reports that NCDOT has indicated that they plan to open the I-73 segments north of Greensboro in November. IMO this is more likely for the segments from PTI Airport to US 220, than to the north.

I have posted contributed photos of I-73 construction taken about a week ago to my Segments 2 and 3 page: http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)
and to Segment 4 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)

You can judge for yourself which segments appear more likely to opened this year.


I think that the section between NC 68 (southern interchange) and US 220 (or maybe US 158) will be opened first before the north and/or the connector between Bryan and NC 68. I might be wrong. When the road opens, I plan on filming it though.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on July 31, 2016, 02:53:17 PM
Army Corps of Engineers evaluating environmental questions along the I-73 route in South Carolina:
http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/32578635/army-corps-reviewing-proposed-interstate-to-myrtle-beach

Is this actually news, or has it been going on for a while?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on July 31, 2016, 08:41:50 PM
Army Corps of Engineers evaluating environmental questions along the I-73 route in South Carolina:
http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/32578635/army-corps-reviewing-proposed-interstate-to-myrtle-beach

Is this actually news, or has it been going on for a while?

SC has been trying to get the permit for quite a while IIRC, but this is the closest they've gotten to finally getting the permit, so it's good news...for now. I-73 in SC has been getting major opposition from Nancy Cave and the Coastal Conservation League, so I would expect them to try to fight it again. Politicians from other parts of the state have been trying to take money that's reserved for I-73 and use it for other parts of the state. The Grand Strand didn't take kindly to that.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on July 31, 2016, 10:45:48 PM
Army Corps of Engineers evaluating environmental questions along the I-73 route in South Carolina:
http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/32578635/army-corps-reviewing-proposed-interstate-to-myrtle-beach

Is this actually news, or has it been going on for a while?

SC has been trying to get the permit for quite a while IIRC, but this is the closest they've gotten to finally getting the permit, so it's good news...for now. I-73 in SC has been getting major opposition from Nancy Cave and the Coastal Conservation League, so I would expect them to try to fight it again. Politicians from other parts of the state have been trying to take money that's reserved for I-73 and use it for other parts of the state. The Grand Strand didn't take kindly to that.


Yeah, it is a mess down there in SC, I just know that Nancy Cave and the Coastal Conservation League basically opposed everything. I spoke with one of their members and was given a very rude attitude when I asked why they are opposed to any new road construction. I definitely do not like that group.

Myrtle Beach deserves a interstate connection.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on August 01, 2016, 03:06:09 PM
If Myrtle Beach needs an Interstate connection, how soon can they build one? They seem to be taking their sweet time.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: SP Cook on August 01, 2016, 03:24:00 PM
Both "deserves" and "interstate" are poor choices of words, IMHO, however it is certain that US 501 is not currently adequate to handle all of the beach bound traffic in the peak season.  If (when) there ever was an evacuation of the area, it would be quite difficult.  The population of Horry County is nearly 6 times what it was when the original interstates were mapped out, and the area has shifted from nearly 100% tourist economy to one with a great number of permanent residents. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on August 28, 2016, 04:57:10 PM
Later today I will post pictures from I-73/74 construction just north of Rockingham. Where/when safe to do so, I captured some good progress shots of upgrading the current highway to exit 23 and just south.

Im on a small pitstop (pun intended, I was catching the last of the Sprint Cup Race in Michigan) but I will finish my journey with pictures from I-74 construction in W-S, before going home. Good day for a little road trip :) -jaustincarter
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 28, 2016, 05:33:34 PM
Later today I will post pictures from I-73/74 construction just north of Rockingham. Where/when safe to do so, I captured some good progress shots of upgrading the current highway to exit 23 and just south.

Im on a small pitstop (pun intended, I was catching the last of the Sprint Cup Race in Michigan) but I will finish my journey with pictures from I-74 construction in W-S, before going home. Good day for a little road trip :) -jaustincarter

How was it going?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: jcarte29 on August 28, 2016, 05:37:00 PM
Lot of bridges are completed, and while I wasnt sure if I was "allowed" to drive them (blocked off except for small openings for locals who probably moved them heh), they provided the best and safest places to snap the pics lol.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 28, 2016, 05:54:17 PM
Lot of bridges are completed, and while I wasnt sure if I was "allowed" to drive them (blocked off except for small openings for locals who probably moved them heh), they provided the best and safest places to snap the pics lol.

They usually don't allow people to drive on them if the bridges are not opened. But, as long as you are able to snap the pics, I am curious how they are processing as I have not been down in that area for like 10 years lol
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on August 28, 2016, 11:10:25 PM
I so wish that I-40 was more on the states radar screen.  I know I am being self serving here, but sitting in the volume congestion crawl from the eastern 240 exit to the US 70/Black Mountain on ramp merge today at 4 PM was a PITA.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on August 29, 2016, 12:00:57 AM
I so wish that I-40 was more on the states radar screen.  I know I am being self serving here, but sitting in the volume congestion crawl from the eastern 240 exit to the US 70/Black Mountain on ramp merge today at 4 PM was a PITA.


I won't be surprised if NCDOT is planning to widen I-40 at some point. I could see it coming within 50 years.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 05, 2016, 11:26:35 PM
To help celebrate the start of the 15th year of my I-73/I-74 in NC website (as of 9/1/16), I have posted photos contributed from AARoads Forum members Strider and JCarte29 on my I-73 Segments 2-4, 11 and I-74 Segment 4 pages.

From I-73 north of Greensboro, here's progress on building the new US 220/NC 68 interchange:
(http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2str816f.jpg)

and from the I-73/74 Rockingham Bypass project, here's a view of the construction just south Ellerbe:
(http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg11jac816i.JPG)

More photos can found through linking to my I-73 Progress Page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/prog73.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/prog73.html)

or the I-74 Segment 4 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on September 06, 2016, 01:10:01 PM
To help celebrate the start of the 15th year of my I-73/I-74 in NC website (as of 9/1/16), I have posted photos contributed from AARoads Forum members Strider and JCarte29 on my I-73 Segments 2-4, 11 and I-74 Segment 4 pages.

From I-73 north of Greensboro, here's progress on building the new US 220/NC 68 interchange:
(http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2str816f.jpg)

and from the I-73/74 Rockingham Bypass project, here's a view of the construction just south Ellerbe:
(http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg11jac816i.JPG)

More photos can found through linking to my I-73 Progress Page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/prog73.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/prog73.html)

or the I-74 Segment 4 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html)


Looks good! Happy to see the progress on the I-73/74 Rockingham bypass after seeing the pictures on your website.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 06, 2016, 06:55:02 PM
So Bob, where are you going to move your site to once gribblenation shuts down later this year?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on September 12, 2016, 12:28:41 PM
So Bob, where are you going to move your site to once gribblenation shuts down later this year?
I am just starting to look for possible new hosts for my pages. Possibly some place where I can post some professional pages as well. Suggestions are welcome.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: hbelkins on September 12, 2016, 08:48:16 PM
So Bob, where are you going to move your site to once gribblenation shuts down later this year?
I am just starting to look for possible new hosts for my pages. Possibly some place where I can post some professional pages as well. Suggestions are welcome.

GN used Aplus, and when I was looking for hosting options, that's who I went with.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on October 22, 2016, 01:06:02 PM
I have posted the latest photos taken by Strider of I-73 construction between the PTI Airport and NC 68, including the nearly complete future I-73/US 220 interchange:
(http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2str1016g.jpg)

Photos can be found on my I-73 Segments 2 and 3 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)

and Segment 4 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on October 27, 2016, 05:30:45 PM
I have posted the latest photos taken by Strider of I-73 construction between the PTI Airport and NC 68, including the nearly complete future I-73/US 220 interchange:
(http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2str1016g.jpg)

Photos can be found on my I-73 Segments 2 and 3 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)

and Segment 4 page:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)

Great pictures; kudos to both Bob and Strider for getting the pictures up & running.  And Bob -- please let us know when & where your site will be situated going forward.  Thanks, SP.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Ghostbuster on October 28, 2016, 04:19:41 PM
Once 73 and 74 are completed around Rockingham, US 220 should be retracted to Greensboro. And if Interstate 73 is ultimately constructed in Virginia, 220 should be further retracted to Roanoke.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: wdcrft63 on October 28, 2016, 06:37:16 PM
Once 73 and 74 are completed around Rockingham, US 220 should be retracted to Greensboro. And if Interstate 73 is ultimately constructed in Virginia, 220 should be further retracted to Roanoke.
Unlikely to happen.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 07, 2016, 05:23:58 PM
NCDOT announced today an accelerated schedule of 2-3 years for constructing the remaining segments of the Eastern Section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (I-74):

"The eastern section of the Winston Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is a 17.1-mile multi-lane freeway that will loop around the eastern part of Winston-Salem, beginning at U.S. 52 north of Winston-Salem and ending at I-74/U.S. 311 southeast of the city. With the accelerated schedule, the eastern section of the loop is expected to be completed by 2024."

Work will also begin earlier on the western section (Future I-274) of the beltway from U.S. 52 to N.C. 67 and will be funded through the new transportation funding formula in the draft 2018-2027 State Transportation Improvement Program.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: mvak36 on November 08, 2016, 01:14:06 PM
NCDOT announced today an accelerated schedule of 2-3 years for constructing the remaining segments of the Eastern Section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (I-74):

"The eastern section of the Winston Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is a 17.1-mile multi-lane freeway that will loop around the eastern part of Winston-Salem, beginning at U.S. 52 north of Winston-Salem and ending at I-74/U.S. 311 southeast of the city. With the accelerated schedule, the eastern section of the loop is expected to be completed by 2024."

Work will also begin earlier on the western section (Future I-274) of the beltway from U.S. 52 to N.C. 67 and will be funded through the new transportation funding formula in the draft 2018-2027 State Transportation Improvement Program.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246)

So does that just leave sections AA and Section C to be let? If i'm reading the press release correctly, I think those are the only 2 segments of the Eastern beltway not mentioned.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 10, 2016, 11:39:46 AM
NCDOT announced today an accelerated schedule of 2-3 years for constructing the remaining segments of the Eastern Section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (I-74):

"The eastern section of the Winston Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is a 17.1-mile multi-lane freeway that will loop around the eastern part of Winston-Salem, beginning at U.S. 52 north of Winston-Salem and ending at I-74/U.S. 311 southeast of the city. With the accelerated schedule, the eastern section of the loop is expected to be completed by 2024."

Work will also begin earlier on the western section (Future I-274) of the beltway from U.S. 52 to N.C. 67 and will be funded through the new transportation funding formula in the draft 2018-2027 State Transportation Improvement Program.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246)

So does that just leave sections AA and Section C to be let? If i'm reading the press release correctly, I think those are the only 2 segments of the Eastern beltway not mentioned.
The schedule for those 2 sections remains as is. With Section C, from US 158 to US 311, where right of way acquisition has started, due to be awarded in October 2017 and Section AA, I-74/US 311 to I-40, due to be awarded in 2020.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on November 10, 2016, 12:12:08 PM
NCDOT announced today an accelerated schedule of 2-3 years for constructing the remaining segments of the Eastern Section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (I-74):

"The eastern section of the Winston Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is a 17.1-mile multi-lane freeway that will loop around the eastern part of Winston-Salem, beginning at U.S. 52 north of Winston-Salem and ending at I-74/U.S. 311 southeast of the city. With the accelerated schedule, the eastern section of the loop is expected to be completed by 2024."

Work will also begin earlier on the western section (Future I-274) of the beltway from U.S. 52 to N.C. 67 and will be funded through the new transportation funding formula in the draft 2018-2027 State Transportation Improvement Program.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246)

So does that just leave sections AA and Section C to be let? If i'm reading the press release correctly, I think those are the only 2 segments of the Eastern beltway not mentioned.
The schedule for those 2 sections remains as is. With Section C, from US 158 to US 311, where right of way acquisition has started, due to be awarded in October 2017 and Section AA, I-74/US 311 to I-40, due to be awarded in 2020.

My assumption is that after they complete I-74 from US 52 to I-74/US 311, are they going to shift their focus and try to apply for a interstate designation to FHWA (or AASHTO) for US 52 from the beltway to I-74/US 52 in Surry County, or are they going to stop the I-74 designation temporarily at the US 52/Northern beltway interchange?
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: dfilpus on November 10, 2016, 01:36:09 PM
NCDOT announced today an accelerated schedule of 2-3 years for constructing the remaining segments of the Eastern Section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (I-74):

"The eastern section of the Winston Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is a 17.1-mile multi-lane freeway that will loop around the eastern part of Winston-Salem, beginning at U.S. 52 north of Winston-Salem and ending at I-74/U.S. 311 southeast of the city. With the accelerated schedule, the eastern section of the loop is expected to be completed by 2024."

Work will also begin earlier on the western section (Future I-274) of the beltway from U.S. 52 to N.C. 67 and will be funded through the new transportation funding formula in the draft 2018-2027 State Transportation Improvement Program.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246)

So does that just leave sections AA and Section C to be let? If i'm reading the press release correctly, I think those are the only 2 segments of the Eastern beltway not mentioned.
The schedule for those 2 sections remains as is. With Section C, from US 158 to US 311, where right of way acquisition has started, due to be awarded in October 2017 and Section AA, I-74/US 311 to I-40, due to be awarded in 2020.

My assumption is that after they complete I-74 from US 52 to I-74/US 311, are they going to shift their focus and try to apply for a interstate designation to FHWA (or AASHTO) for US 52 from the beltway to I-74/US 52 in Surry County, or are they going to stop the I-74 designation temporarily at the US 52/Northern beltway interchange?
In 1996, NC applied to AASHTO and FHWA for interstate status. The application was rejected, but US 52 was allowed to be signed "Future I-74 Corridor" from NC 65 to the I-74 split. FHWA has told NC that  projects to upgrade the highway to interstate standards need to be funded before the highway could be signed Future I-74.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on November 10, 2016, 03:39:30 PM
NCDOT announced today an accelerated schedule of 2-3 years for constructing the remaining segments of the Eastern Section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (I-74):

"The eastern section of the Winston Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is a 17.1-mile multi-lane freeway that will loop around the eastern part of Winston-Salem, beginning at U.S. 52 north of Winston-Salem and ending at I-74/U.S. 311 southeast of the city. With the accelerated schedule, the eastern section of the loop is expected to be completed by 2024."

Work will also begin earlier on the western section (Future I-274) of the beltway from U.S. 52 to N.C. 67 and will be funded through the new transportation funding formula in the draft 2018-2027 State Transportation Improvement Program.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246)

So does that just leave sections AA and Section C to be let? If i'm reading the press release correctly, I think those are the only 2 segments of the Eastern beltway not mentioned.
The schedule for those 2 sections remains as is. With Section C, from US 158 to US 311, where right of way acquisition has started, due to be awarded in October 2017 and Section AA, I-74/US 311 to I-40, due to be awarded in 2020.

My assumption is that after they complete I-74 from US 52 to I-74/US 311, are they going to shift their focus and try to apply for a interstate designation to FHWA (or AASHTO) for US 52 from the beltway to I-74/US 52 in Surry County, or are they going to stop the I-74 designation temporarily at the US 52/Northern beltway interchange?
In 1996, NC applied to AASHTO and FHWA for interstate status. The application was rejected, but US 52 was allowed to be signed "Future I-74 Corridor" from NC 65 to the I-74 split. FHWA has told NC that  projects to upgrade the highway to interstate standards need to be funded before the highway could be signed Future I-74.


Sounds like the I-74 designation will stop at US 52 for time being until that stretch of US 52 between two I-74's can be upgraded...
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 10, 2016, 05:39:25 PM
NCDOT announced today an accelerated schedule of 2-3 years for constructing the remaining segments of the Eastern Section of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway (I-74):

"The eastern section of the Winston Salem Northern Beltway (Future I-74) is a 17.1-mile multi-lane freeway that will loop around the eastern part of Winston-Salem, beginning at U.S. 52 north of Winston-Salem and ending at I-74/U.S. 311 southeast of the city. With the accelerated schedule, the eastern section of the loop is expected to be completed by 2024."

Work will also begin earlier on the western section (Future I-274) of the beltway from U.S. 52 to N.C. 67 and will be funded through the new transportation funding formula in the draft 2018-2027 State Transportation Improvement Program.

https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13246)

So does that just leave sections AA and Section C to be let? If i'm reading the press release correctly, I think those are the only 2 segments of the Eastern beltway not mentioned.
The schedule for those 2 sections remains as is. With Section C, from US 158 to US 311, where right of way acquisition has started, due to be awarded in October 2017 and Section AA, I-74/US 311 to I-40, due to be awarded in 2020.

My assumption is that after they complete I-74 from US 52 to I-74/US 311, are they going to shift their focus and try to apply for a interstate designation to FHWA (or AASHTO) for US 52 from the beltway to I-74/US 52 in Surry County, or are they going to stop the I-74 designation temporarily at the US 52/Northern beltway interchange?
In 1996, NC applied to AASHTO and FHWA for interstate status. The application was rejected, but US 52 was allowed to be signed "Future I-74 Corridor" from NC 65 to the I-74 split. FHWA has told NC that  projects to upgrade the highway to interstate standards need to be funded before the highway could be signed Future I-74.
Sounds like the I-74 designation will stop at US 52 for time being until that stretch of US 52 between two I-74's can be upgraded...
I think NCDOT will find a way to have US 52 signed as I-74 when the Eastern Section of the Beltway is completed. They may be planning upgrade projects for future STIPs, or they may simply upgrade the shoulders and ask FHWA for a temporary waiver for remaining substandard elements so it can be signed. They could also put up 'To I-74' signage along the route while awaiting completion of upgrading projects (they should do this now IMHO).
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on November 28, 2016, 06:15:54 PM
Thanks to Strider, I have uploaded new November construction photos for I-73 north of Greensboro to my I-73 Segment 2, 3 and 4 pages. Looks like the NC 68-US 220 Connector is segment is closest to completion.

The Segment 2 page is reached at:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on November 29, 2016, 12:56:22 PM
Thanks to Strider, I have uploaded new November construction photos for I-73 north of Greensboro to my I-73 Segment 2, 3 and 4 pages. Looks like the NC 68-US 220 Connector is segment is closest to completion.

The Segment 2 page is reached at:
http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.gribblenation.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)


Yeah that is correct. the NC 68-US 220 Connector segment is closer to completion at 88% and should be open anytime between now and the end of the year (which also includes the segment from Bryan to NC 68 that will be completed in Spring/Summer 2017); while the segment from US 158 in Guilford County up to NC 68 in Rockingham County is behind schedule at 51%. (that section was already delayed until late 2017/early 2018)

The first phrase of Western Rockingham Bypass (I-73/74) section of US 220 that includes US 220 rebuild is 58% complete (slightly behind schedule due to weather delays)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on December 06, 2016, 06:55:07 AM
I-73 between Bryan Boulevard in Greensboro and US-220 is planned to be open in May.

http://www.wfmynews2.com/mb/news/traffic/new-portion-of-i-73-set-to-open-in-may/363443044 (http://www.wfmynews2.com/mb/news/traffic/new-portion-of-i-73-set-to-open-in-may/363443044)

Quote
GUILFORD COUNTY, N.C. -- A new roadway will give drivers a more direct route between Greensboro and Rockingham County, according to the Department of Transportation.

The Triad's U.S. 220/N.C. 68 Connector is set to open in May of 2017. It is part of the Future I-73 project.

"We are on track with this deadline," Patty Eason, NCDOT Division Engineer, said. "You'll be able to get from your home to your destination in a much easier, much quicker fashion."

The 9.4-mile connector runs from U.S. 220 near the Haw river to Joseph M. Bryan Boulevard.

Rockingham County city leaders hope the new roadway will help attract business to the area.

The Economic Development team even started using the interstate as a marketing tool.

And businesses like Kalo, a Gluten free baked goods distributor, have taken notice.

"It will make our commute to doing distribution a little quicker when we're going into Greensboro and some of the surrounding areas," Owner Michael Cusato said.

According to Cusato, the new interstate is one of the reasons he chose to open shop in Rockingham County.

His workers travel back and forth from Greensboro daily to drop off their baked goods. And while the construction has caused him some headaches in the short term, he says in it'll be good for distribution and property value in the long-run.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 06, 2016, 11:43:33 AM
I-73 between Bryan Boulevard in Greensboro and US-220 is planned to be open in May.

http://www.wfmynews2.com/mb/news/traffic/new-portion-of-i-73-set-to-open-in-may/363443044 (http://www.wfmynews2.com/mb/news/traffic/new-portion-of-i-73-set-to-open-in-may/363443044)

Quote
GUILFORD COUNTY, N.C. -- A new roadway will give drivers a more direct route between Greensboro and Rockingham County, according to the Department of Transportation.

The Triad's U.S. 220/N.C. 68 Connector is set to open in May of 2017. It is part of the Future I-73 project.

"We are on track with this deadline," Patty Eason, NCDOT Division Engineer, said. "You'll be able to get from your home to your destination in a much easier, much quicker fashion."

The 9.4-mile connector runs from U.S. 220 near the Haw river to Joseph M. Bryan Boulevard.

Rockingham County city leaders hope the new roadway will help attract business to the area.

The Economic Development team even started using the interstate as a marketing tool.

And businesses like Kalo, a Gluten free baked goods distributor, have taken notice.

"It will make our commute to doing distribution a little quicker when we're going into Greensboro and some of the surrounding areas," Owner Michael Cusato said.

According to Cusato, the new interstate is one of the reasons he chose to open shop in Rockingham County.

His workers travel back and forth from Greensboro daily to drop off their baked goods. And while the construction has caused him some headaches in the short term, he says in it'll be good for distribution and property value in the long-run.

Looks like they want to open the entire thing, not just the connector, which makes sense to open it by May 2017. A little delay, but it is going to be exciting day for Greensboro and Triad area. Now, let's build it all the way up to Virginia border.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: orulz on December 06, 2016, 12:05:16 PM
I have often wondered if it would be possible to extend Bryan Boulevard further west. A 3.5 mile connector built on relatively open land would connect up with I-40 at the intersection of Green 40/US-421. This would provide a second full-freeway route between Winston Salem and Greensboro. US-421 could be signed on the new connector, Bryan Blvd, Wendover Avenue, and O'Henry Boulevard.

Another freeway connection that would make sense would be a link from Green 85 near River Road to I-74 near Greensboro Road south of Jamestown. It's a little more built up through there but there's still a few possible routes left. That combined with the eventual Winston Salem Southern Beltway would make a full southern bypass of the Triad.

Sigh maybe I should head over to fictional highways for this sort of stuff - but small, realistic suggestions like this tend to get lost in the shuffle among the "coast to coast interstate" nonsense.
As always, with any suggestion I make, a map: https://goo.gl/4jTtrr (https://goo.gl/4jTtrr)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 06, 2016, 12:18:18 PM
There is (was?) actually a plan to build a connector between I-40/Green 40 and I-73/Bryan/NC 68 and then eventually extend it to connect with I-74 on a new location. I don't know what happened to it, it is (was) to be called the "I-73/I-74 Connector".
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Strider on December 06, 2016, 12:23:21 PM
I have often wondered if it would be possible to extend Bryan Boulevard further west. A 3.5 mile connector built on relatively open land would connect up with I-40 at the intersection of Green 40/US-421. This would provide a second full-freeway route between Winston Salem and Greensboro. US-421 could be signed on the new connector, Bryan Blvd, Wendover Avenue, and O'Henry Boulevard.

Another freeway connection that would make sense would be a link from Green 85 near River Road to I-74 near Greensboro Road south of Jamestown. It's a little more built up through there but there's still a few possible routes left. That combined with the eventual Winston Salem Southern Beltway would make a full southern bypass of the Triad.

Sigh maybe I should head over to fictional highways for this sort of stuff - but small, realistic suggestions like this tend to get lost in the shuffle among the "coast to coast interstate" nonsense.
As always, with any suggestion I make, a map: https://goo.gl/4jTtrr (https://goo.gl/4jTtrr)


This was from 2005, but you get the idea what is (was?) being planned for the Triad area.

http://www.gribblenation.net/ncfutints/roadimprov_lg.gif

Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 01, 2017, 10:44:18 PM
I have added photos taken by Strider in December along the I-73 construction zone north of Greensboro to my I-73/74 pages. Some of the route is near completion, as seen here:
(http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg3str1216b.JPG)

The photos can be accessed on my I-73 Segment 3 and 4 pages on the new home to my highway websites, MalmeRoads.Net.

I-73 Segment 3:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#seg3 (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#seg3)

I-73 Segment 4:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)

Please direct your browsers to my new site as I will no longer be updating the pages on my Gribblenation site, due to its impending closure. The new addresses are in my signature.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on January 02, 2017, 11:08:52 PM
I have published my annual I-73/I-74 in NC Year in Review in the following blog post:
http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/01/i-73i-74-year-in-review-2016.html (http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2017/01/i-73i-74-year-in-review-2016.html)

As always, thanks to those AARoads Forum members who have kept me up to date with what is happening in North Carolina.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: ReeseFerlautoI74/85 on January 05, 2017, 07:46:50 PM
I have added photos taken by Strider in December along the I-73 construction zone north of Greensboro to my I-73/74 pages. Some of the route is near completion, as seen here:
(http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg3str1216b.JPG)

The photos can be accessed on my I-73 Segment 3 and 4 pages on the new home to my highway websites, MalmeRoads.Net.

I-73 Segment 3:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#seg3 (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#seg3)

I-73 Segment 4:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html)

Please direct your browsers to my new site as I will no longer be updating the pages on my Gribblenation site, due to its impending closure. The new addresses are in my signature.

I am very glad that I-73 is almost complete, but the 220 interchange with 68 is halfway to progress, considering that the bridge is complete. Some sections may be upgraded to Interstate Standard. Looking forward to the new MalmeRoads page since Gribblenation is close to death.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on February 08, 2017, 11:56:23 PM
I have posted some new I-73 construction photos contributed by Strider to my I-73/I-74 Segment 2, 3 and 4 pages.

Here's one that show supports for a future NC 150 exit sign:
(http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg3str217d.JPG)

The Segment 2 and 3 pages can be reached at:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on February 24, 2017, 06:14:06 PM
A first step to ending I-74 in Wilmington? This NCDOT press release says a project is starting to widen US 74/76 for 8 miles west of NC (Future I-) 140 to bring it up to Interstate standards:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554)

US 74/76 in this area is not a limited access highway, so more work will be needed to bring it up to freeway standards, but apparently NCDOT is taking the first steps to creating a US 74/76 interstate. Whether that is I-74 or something else is yet to be determined.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: LM117 on February 25, 2017, 10:16:16 AM
A first step to ending I-74 in Wilmington? This NCDOT press release says a project is starting to widen US 74/76 for 8 miles west of NC (Future I-) 140 to bring it up to Interstate standards:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554)

Ending I-74 in Wilmington would be the most logical thing to do...so it's probably not it. :pan:

I'm thinking that route will become an I-x74 to Wilmington. NCDOT usually doesn't go through the trouble of upgrading a highway to interstate standards unless they have an I-shield up their sleeve. Wilmington has been pushing for a US-74 upgrade ever since South Carolina gave them the middle finger over the proposed I-20 extension and NCDOT will usually pursue interstate designations if there's strong local support, most recent example being Future I-587 for Greenville.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Mapmikey on February 25, 2017, 10:48:16 AM
A first step to ending I-74 in Wilmington? This NCDOT press release says a project is starting to widen US 74/76 for 8 miles west of NC (Future I-) 140 to bring it up to Interstate standards:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554)



Ending I-74 in Wilmington would be the most logical thing to do...so it's probably not it. :pan:

I'm thinking that route will become an I-x74 to Wilmington. NCDOT usually doesn't go through the trouble of upgrading a highway to interstate standards unless they have an I-shield up their sleeve. Wilmington has been pushing for a US-74 upgrade ever since South Carolina gave them the middle finger over the proposed I-20 extension and NCDOT will usually pursue interstate designations if there's strong local support, most recent example being Future I-587 for Greenville.

Extending I-20 does nothing for SC unless it is routed as far east as Conway before heading for Wilmington, so building a route along the US 76 corridor toward Whiteville doesn't make much $ sense for SC, especially since it is only 13 miles longer to use I-95 to US 74 as-is. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: Third Strike on February 26, 2017, 12:09:24 AM
A first step to ending I-74 in Wilmington? This NCDOT press release says a project is starting to widen US 74/76 for 8 miles west of NC (Future I-) 140 to bring it up to Interstate standards:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554)



Ending I-74 in Wilmington would be the most logical thing to do...so it's probably not it. :pan:

I'm thinking that route will become an I-x74 to Wilmington. NCDOT usually doesn't go through the trouble of upgrading a highway to interstate standards unless they have an I-shield up their sleeve. Wilmington has been pushing for a US-74 upgrade ever since South Carolina gave them the middle finger over the proposed I-20 extension and NCDOT will usually pursue interstate designations if there's strong local support, most recent example being Future I-587 for Greenville.

Extending I-20 does nothing for SC unless it is routed as far east as Conway before heading for Wilmington, so building a route along the US 76 corridor toward Whiteville doesn't make much $ sense for SC, especially since it is only 13 miles longer to use I-95 to US 74 as-is.

Maybe it's part of an even bigger plan of upgrading US 74 from Wilmington to Charlotte. If they ever manage to upgrade US 74 to I-95 from Wilmington, the gap between Rockingham and Lauringburg, and the gap between the Monroe Bypass and I-74, then it shouldn't be a problem to designate a new interstate along this route. 
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: sparker on February 26, 2017, 12:56:14 AM
Maybe it's part of an even bigger plan of upgrading US 74 from Wilmington to Charlotte. If they ever manage to upgrade US 74 to I-95 from Wilmington, the gap between Rockingham and Lauringburg, and the gap between the Monroe Bypass and I-74, then it shouldn't be a problem to designate a new interstate along this route. 

The only problem with that concept is the fact that for the past 22 years the portion of US 74 between Rockingham and Bolton has been legislatively (federal, within the US Code language within the HPC 5 definition) designated as part of I-74.  Unless that language can be obviated, then that portion will remain as present or future I-74.  If, as has been often speculated, NC's attention eventually becomes focused on a potential Interstate corridor along the western US 74 from I-26 to Rockingham via Charlotte; it's likely that such a route would get an available even number in the 30's.  LM117 would then likely be correct in his assumption that US 74/76 from Bolton to Wilmington would receive a x74 number -- as long as the segment along NC 211 toward the south coast remains on the books as the I-74 portion of HPC 5.  If that language can be surgically removed, along with the description of the route as ending in Georgetown, SC, then NC would be free to pursue an I-74 designation into Wilmington; given the proven competency of the NC transportation "machine" at manipulating all matters Interstate, this is within the realm of possibility.       
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 07, 2017, 11:30:27 PM
I've started adding the photos I took last week along the I-73 and I-74 construction zones in North Carolina to my web pages.

The photos for the US 220 widening segment of I-73 are now available:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg2.html#photos)

As well as some new photos for US 220 between the VA border and NC 68:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg1.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg1.html#photos)

Look for more to be posted over the next week for remaining I-73 segments north of Greensboro.
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 09, 2017, 11:00:58 PM
I've added photos to my I-73 Segments 3 and 4 pages, including this closeup of the PTI Airport Taxiway Bridge:
(http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4317v.JPG)

Segment 3, from US 220 to NC 68:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg3.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg3.html#photos)

Segment 4, NC 68 and 'I-73 Connector:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html#photos)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: bob7374 on April 13, 2017, 11:05:34 PM
I have now had the time to post my March 30 photos taken of Winston-Salem Northern Beltway construction on my I-74 Segment 4 page:
http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i74seg4.html#photos)

(My total time logged in when I did so tonight was 5 days, 5 hours and 55 minutes.)
Title: Re: Interstate 73/74
Post by: The Nature Boy on April 17, 2017, 09:29:06 AM
A first step to ending I-74 in Wilmington? This NCDOT press release says a project is starting to widen US 74/76 for 8 miles west of NC (Future I-) 140 to bring it up to Interstate standards:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554 (https://apps.ncdot.gov/NewsReleases/details.aspx?r=13554)



Ending I-74 in Wilmington would be the most logical thing to do...so it's probably not it. :pan:

I'm thinking that route will become an I-x74 to Wilmington. NCDOT usually doesn't go through the trouble of upgrading a highway to interstate standards unless they have an I-shield up their sleeve. Wilmington has been pushing for a US-74 upgrade ever since South Carolina gave them the middle finger over the proposed I-20 extension and NCDOT will usually pursue interstate designations if there's strong local support, most recent example being Future I-587 for Greenville.

Extending I-20 does nothing for SC unless it is routed as far east as Conway before heading for Wilmington, so building a route along the US 76 corridor toward Whiteville doesn't make much $ sense for SC, especially since it is only 13 miles longer to use I-95 to US 74 as-is.

Maybe it's part of an even bigger plan of upgrading US 74 from Wilmington to Charlotte. If they ever manage to upgrade US 74 to I-95 from Wilmington, the gap between Rockingham and Lauringburg, and the gap between the Monroe Bypass and I-74, then it shouldn't be a problem to designate a new interstate along this route.

Honestly, it makes more sense to upgrade US 74 from Wilmington to I-26 in Western NC