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Title: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: 1 on June 21, 2016, 08:52:25 AM
If any of these three examples have turns on the straight unnumbered road, tell me.

An example would be US 40 in Indianapolis: if you stay on the same road through Indianapolis, you will leave US 40 after crossing I-465 the first time and come back to US 40 after crossing it the second time, without turning at all. There is a one-way pair in the middle, but there is no turning onto another road.

Another example is MA 129 in Wakefield and Lynnfield (described here heading east): Current MA 129 turns off near the Reading/Wakefield border, while the road that goes straight parallels MA 128 (and is faster than current MA 129). The road that goes straight becomes MA 129 again after crossing US 1.

For NH 108: Maple Ave. (Newton), Chase Rd. (South Hampton), and South Rd. (also South Hampton) are one street that changes names, and this street connects to NH 108 on both ends without turning. NH 108 itself, on the other hand, goes through East Kingston, NH and has a wrong-way overlap with NH 107.

Remember, no turns! (If the road curves, it's okay.)
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: briantroutman on June 21, 2016, 10:06:03 AM
If Iím understanding your premise correctly, I would imagine that this scenario is not terribly uncommon, particularly where a highway has been routed on a bypass alignment around a town but follows the old alignment on either end.

For example, US 11-15 is currently routed on Susquehanna Trail through Shamokin Dam, PA, and if you continue directly south without taking the ramp for the freeway bypass, the road becomes Market Street in Selinsgrove and then becomes US 11-15 again south of town.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: vdeane on June 21, 2016, 12:58:12 PM
This happens in Albany.  Pearl Street is NY 32 over most of its length... but NY 32 diverges onto the I-787 service roads for exit 2, then follows Green Street for a couple blocks, then shimmys back to Pearl Street.  It's a very illogical way to route traffic and I can only assume that it was done because someone was too lazy to assign reference route numbers to the service roads.  Most mapping companies get the transition points at the wrong spot if they even acknowledge it at all.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: hbelkins on June 21, 2016, 02:16:05 PM
Eastbound KY 52 in Marion County. Southbound KY 49 comes in from the left and joins KY 52 for a brief concurrency. KY 49 then turns to the right and KY 52 continues straight. A few miles down the road, KY 52 comes to a T intersection at KY 49 and then turns left for another concurrency.

US 127 in Lawrenceburg, Ky. The straight through route is signed as Bypass US 127. The old road through town is signed as US 127. The more logical thing to do would be to sign the old route as Business 127 and the newer bypass as US 127 without any descriptive banner.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: 1 on June 21, 2016, 02:25:56 PM
Eastbound KY 52 in Marion County. Southbound KY 49 comes in from the left and joins KY 52 for a brief concurrency. KY 49 then turns to the right and KY 52 continues straight. A few miles down the road, KY 52 comes to a T intersection at KY 49 and then turns left for another concurrency.

US 127 in Lawrenceburg, Ky. The straight through route is signed as Bypass US 127. The old road through town is signed as US 127. The more logical thing to do would be to sign the old route as Business 127 and the newer bypass as US 127 without any descriptive banner.

While the second one is an example, the first one, while interesting, is not an example. The two 49/52 concurrencies are on different roads.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: WNYroadgeek on June 22, 2016, 12:03:02 AM
NY 31 does this. In Medina it turns north to overlap with NY 63, and then turns east shortly thereafter, but if you keep going straight (onto NY 31A), you'll eventually be on NY 31 again in Brockport.

NY 33 also does this. In Bergen it turns north, but if you keep going straight (onto NY 33A), you'll eventually be on NY 33 again in Rochester.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: wanderer2575 on June 22, 2016, 12:37:18 AM
In Michigan, US-12 leaves Michigan Avenue to bypass Ypsilanti and then returns.  The bypass is partially expressway and partly a concurrency with I-94.  Most of this stretch of Michigan Avenue is Business US-12, but the western end of the business route runs north-south along Huron Street/Hamilton Street to connect with US-12 during its concurrency with I-94.

https://goo.gl/maps/CGJr1aYmCCx
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: mariethefoxy on June 22, 2016, 01:06:15 AM
Does US 3 in MA/NH count? it leaves onto its own freeway in Burlington, the old road continues as MA 3A and Middlesex Road/D W Highway then US 3 north of downtown Nashua comes back to D W Highway and leaves Everett Turnpike.

3A doesnt stay on DW highway, it turns and goes over the merrimack river but still, teh same road contnues north.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: golden eagle on June 22, 2016, 02:24:41 AM
It probably won't happen in my lifetime, but if US 49 is ever built to freeway standards, one possible plan would be to duplex it with I-59 and US 98 around Hattiesburg. In this scenario, motorists would go southward through town on the "old" 49 and pick up 49 again south of Hattiesburg at the US 98 interchange.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on June 22, 2016, 05:43:25 AM
One from the UK: A30. Somewhere between Exeter and Yeovil it turns off the road, which becomes A303. A30 rejoins the route past Andover, 87.5 miles later. I'm not sure about a roundabout North of Yeovil, but it could be the longest example.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: roadman65 on June 22, 2016, 07:20:19 AM
FL 50 does in Brooksville, in one direction anyway as the downtown it bypasses, has a one way pair.

US 9 does at Toms River, NJ.  Follow it straight through Toms River on NJ 166 and it will return to it later in Beachwood.  Northbound the same as US 9 North leaves itself to become NJ 166 that later defaults back into it at Exit 83 of the GSP.

US 11, I believe does it in Syracuse, NY where it leaves Salinas Street and then returns to it. 
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: GCrites80s on June 22, 2016, 10:29:26 AM
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: jp the roadgeek on June 22, 2016, 01:03:17 PM
US 6 in CT w/ I-84: Joins it from Exit 4-8, leaves, rejoins from Exit 10-15, leaves, rejoins again from Exit 38-60.

US 1 w/ I-95:  Joins to cross the GWB, rejoins to cross the Baldwin Bridge in CT, rejoins to cross the Gold Star Bridge in CT, rejoins from Exit 27-29 in RI, rejoins as a wrong way concurrency from Dedham to Canton, MA

US 6 and US 202: Join from the west end of the Bear Mountain Bridge to downtown Peekskill, rejoin from Brewster to I-84 Exit 7 in CT (including quadplex with I-84 and US 7)

US 6 and US 44: Joined in I-84 to cross the Bulkeley Bridge, rejoin from I-84 Exit 60 to Bolton Notch, rejoin again along I-195 from Providence into East Providence.

US 7 and US 202: Joined as part of the quadplex above, then rejoined from the end of the Brookfield Bypass to downtown New Milford.

If you count MA 3 and US 3 as one route, it joins I-93 from the Braintree split to Downtown Boston, then rejoins along the Franconia Notch Parkway in NH
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: Bickendan on June 22, 2016, 04:27:57 PM
US 30, OR 99.

More notably: TCH 1 in BC, leaving the highway mainline in Hope and rejoining it near Kamloops, while the mainline becomes BC 3 then BC 5 right away.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: roadman65 on June 22, 2016, 06:07:06 PM
JP if you are going to count route numbers then count US 17 with US 1 as in Jacksonville the two routes concur.  Then again in Virginia the two routes concur once more near Spotsylvania, plus the business route of US 17 concurs with US 1 in Fredericksburg.

Then US 301 leaves US 1 at Folkston, GA to rejoin it again in Petersburg, VA.

However, I believe the OP wanted a straight line road, as US 1 in New York and Connecticut does not follow a straight path. Even in The Bronx US 1 makes a 90 degree turn from Webster Avenue to Fordham Road and again at the Bronx River Parkway to become Boston Road.    Plus Bridgeport, CT I remember back in 1988 US 1 did change alignments there too.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: TheStranger on June 22, 2016, 06:46:10 PM
Though Route 1 and US 101 along the Central Coast fits this pretty well, the most glaring example is near Ventura between US 101 exits 72 and 78: there, Route 1 runs along a stretch of former US 101 by the coastline, then rejoins the Ventura Freeway.  As late as 1967 (according to Historic Aerials), this was still mainline US 101 (and unsigned Route 1); Route 1 however was not moved back onto this short beach route until 1980.

Due to the completion of I-5/West Side Freeway in the Central Valley, Route 33 leaves Derrick Avenue/Coalinga-Mendota Road for about 13 miles to hop on the Interstate at Exit 337, before returning to the older surface routing at Exit 349.

When US 60 existed in California, at one point it left its concurrency with US 70 & US 99 in Pomona (taking the southern routing mostly replaced by today's Route 71 and state Route 60) only to rejoin those two in Beaumont.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: DandyDan on June 23, 2016, 05:45:33 AM
I believe US 151 does this in Cedar Rapids and Marion, Iowa.  Although there are numerous street name changes for Business US 151 there, you never have to actually turn.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: Henry on June 23, 2016, 11:04:39 AM
I-90 and I-94 do this in many places. Beginning in Billings, MT (where I-94 ends), the two routes join each other in Tomah, WI, form a concurrency to Madison, WI before splitting off again, join each other yet again north of Chicago to form another concurrency through the city, and meet each other for the final time in Portage, IN, where I-90 continues onto the Toll Road after having split off onto the Skyway before it and I-94 continues as the solo route towards Detroit; it's also where I-80 exchanges concurrencies between them.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: bzakharin on June 23, 2016, 12:28:38 PM
US 9 joins the Garden State Parkway several times to use its bridges. More trivially, NJ 41 leaves Kings Highway to cross NJ 70 because Kings Highway is no longer continuous there.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: roadman65 on June 23, 2016, 12:43:28 PM
If were talking numbers how about US 15 & 501 in NC.  It joins US 1 twice there. 

Then in Florida US 98 used to leave US 441 and return to it, before FDOT had AASHTO sign it all the way and reviert the old US 98 from Loxhatchee to Canal Point to its secret state route number 700.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: 1 on June 23, 2016, 08:39:16 PM
Some of you are posting examples where two routes leave and join again. If turning is required, it does not count.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: dvferyance on June 23, 2016, 08:43:36 PM
I-90 and I-94 do this in many places. Beginning in Billings, MT (where I-94 ends), the two routes join each other in Tomah, WI, form a concurrency to Madison, WI before splitting off again, join each other yet again north of Chicago to form another concurrency through the city, and meet each other for the final time in Portage, IN, where I-90 continues onto the Toll Road after having split off onto the Skyway before it and I-94 continues as the solo route towards Detroit; it's also where I-80 exchanges concurrencies between them.
I would disqualify this one. I-90's roadway that I-94 takes over for in Tomah technically ends at a T interchange with I-694. There I-94 takes over I-694's roadway from there.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: roadman65 on June 24, 2016, 08:59:49 AM
Some of you are posting examples where two routes leave and join again. If turning is required, it does not count.
Thanks for clarifying this one as it was too ambiguous. 

NJ 166 on US 9 N Bound is one as there is no turns.  SB used to be until Toms River made a one way couplet on Main Street in Downtown.

Probably one way pairs do not count like US 202 SB in Norristown, PA or US 422 in Lebanon where one side leaves and returns to the same exact street later on due to a one way opposite. Although with the former, US 202 could be iffy now that the Bridgeport Bypass freeway was built giving US 202 SB a smooth merge into DeKalb Street as default there at present return point.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: DandyDan on June 25, 2016, 03:52:13 AM
There gets to be a new one in Council Bluffs, Iowa (if it hasn't officially happened yet), when US 6, which goes along Broadway in Council Bluffs, gets put onto I-29 and I-80.  Broadway runs into I-480, which overlaps US 6 as they cross into Nebraska.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: odditude on June 25, 2016, 11:41:05 AM
US 130 SB in Hamilton Twp, NJ (NB requires effort to remain on the old alignment, now NJ 156).
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: pianocello on June 25, 2016, 07:11:54 PM
A bit of a stretch, but US-6 in Iowa is concurrent with I-80 west of Des Moines, leaves the road at Newton, and rejoins it near Wilton, some 100 miles later. In other words, if you remain on the road (I-80) long enough without turning, US-6 will join it again.

I'm sure there are other examples as well. I'm not sure this should count...
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: Buck87 on June 25, 2016, 07:29:15 PM
US 23 in Columbus, which leaves and comes back to High Street.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: GCrites80s on June 26, 2016, 09:20:19 PM
I imagine there was a time that 23 was always on High Street. Probably when Summit southbound stopped at Lincoln St. north of Downtown.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: Max Rockatansky on June 26, 2016, 09:25:26 PM
I'm surprised nobody said anything about US 6 in the Rockies since it leaves and comes back to I-70 multiple times.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: epzik8 on August 02, 2016, 09:34:12 PM
U.S. Route 222 and Pennsylvania Route 272 have a brief concurrency in Fulton Township, Lancaster County in a village called Wakefield. After both routes pass through Lancaster city, they meet up again on the U.S. Route 30 freeway north of Lancaster. U.S. 222 then shifts north as a freeway in its own right up toward Reading and Allentown, with PA-272 paralleling it until that route ends at the Berks County line in between Lancaster and Reading. They also parallel each other (several miles apart) in almost the whole stretch between the Maryland state line and Lancaster. Until yesterday when I drove through Lancaster on U.S. 222, I thought 222 and 272 were concurrent beginning in Willow Street, a borough to the south of Lancaster, and then through Lancaster itself.

U.S. Route 40 splits from I-70 east of Hancock, Maryland after being concurrent with I-68 most of I-68's way through Maryland. U.S. 40 then rejoins I-70 in Frederick, 44 miles to the east, at the same exit that I-270 ends. 29 miles after that, to the west of Ellicott City in Howard County, U.S. 40 leaves I-70 for good. I-70 of course ends in a parking lot at the Baltimore city line about 11 miles later. U.S. 40 meanwhile ends up in Atlantic City.

Not a concurrency, but U.S. Route 1 Business in Bel Air, Maryland, which I live right up the road from, crosses paths with mainline U.S. Route 1 in between Bel Air and a crossroads called Hickory; this is where the U.S. Route 1 "Bel Air Bypass" becomes the "Hickory Bypass". North of Hickory, Business U.S. 1 reaches its northern end at mainline U.S. 1. It's only been like that since around late 2000/early 2001, when the Hickory Bypass and a small extension of Maryland Route 23 opened. For the previous 35 or so years before that, there was only the Bel Air Bypass which ended slightly south of the point where U.S. 1 and Business U.S. 1 cross paths today, and the Hickory portion of Business U.S. 1 was part of mainline U.S. 1. Before 1966 or so there was no Bel Air Bypass either, and mainline U.S. 1 passed straight through downtown Bel Air.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: 7/8 on August 02, 2016, 09:45:55 PM
Assuming I'm understanding this right:

In Ontario, the 403 both starts and ends at the 401.
Title: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: cappicard on August 13, 2016, 11:22:53 PM
I'd say US 40 throughout Kansas.

It first joins I-70 at Oakley. It remains multiplexed with 70 until just before the Kansas Turnpike in Topeka. It leaves 70 along with K-4.

It then rejoins I-70 at Exit 224 in Bonner Springs where US-24 also rejoins the Interstate after a long separation after leaving it at Colby. US 73 also terminates at that very same interchange.


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Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 13, 2016, 11:24:44 PM
CA 172 starts at CA 36 and ends back at it when it picks up CA 89.  As discussed in the CA 245/other obscure CA highways thread it was actually part of CA 36 back in the 1930s.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 13, 2016, 11:33:17 PM
FL 50 does in Brooksville, in one direction anyway as the downtown it bypasses, has a one way pair.
Actually, that's FL 50A.

Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 13, 2016, 11:39:24 PM
FL 50 does in Brooksville, in one direction anyway as the downtown it bypasses, has a one way pair.
Actually, that's FL 50A.

Want a real obscure one in Florida?....Florida 436 coming back to FL 15.  Basically you got FL 436 intersecting US 17/92 in Altamont Springs which is the hidden FL 15.  FL 436 and FL 15 meet again at Semoran and Hoffner to the south near Orlando International Airport.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: TR69 on August 14, 2016, 12:59:48 AM
Well, this isn't a *great* example, but in West Buechel, KY, US 31E/150 follows Bardstown Road, then curves to the west as Buechel Bypass, rejoining Bardstown Road soon thereafter. Bardstown Road itself is continuous between the two points where 31E/150 leave and rejoin, and can be followed by through traffic without a 90 degree turn (Bardstown Road merges with Buechel Bypass).

Here's a better example. US 41 coming up from the south on Indianapolis Blvd into Hammond, IN, exits Indianapolis Blvd to multiplex with I-94 while Indianapolis Blvd continues north through Hammond. US 41 soon leaves I-94 to go north on Calumet Ave, paralleling Indianapolis Blvd. Eventually Indianapolis Blvd curves to the northwest and intersects Calumet Blvd, where US 41 rejoins Indianapolis Blvd. So, one could just stay on Indianapolis Blvd, leaving and then rejoining US 41 without making a turn.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: Buffaboy on August 14, 2016, 01:46:35 AM
River Road in Tonawanda, NY, has 2 interchanges about 2 miles apart.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: jwolfer on August 14, 2016, 11:18:15 AM
In Florida SR 228 is multiplexed with i10 for a short bit near downtown Jacksonville. It leaves and around 24 miles west in Macclenny it has an exit with i10 once again. 

A part of it is Duval and Baker CR 228 in the middle but all the same route
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: 1 on August 14, 2016, 11:57:53 AM
In Florida SR 228 is multiplexed with i10 for a short bit near downtown Jacksonville. It leaves and around 24 miles west in Macclenny it has an exit with i10 once again. 

A part of it is Duval and Baker CR 228 in the middle but all the same route

It doesn't multiplex with I-10 in Macclenny. Also, 228 turns at least once in those 24 miles.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: capt.ron on August 26, 2016, 02:25:44 PM
AR 184 leaves US 64 in Parkin and rejoins US 64 in Earle.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: Bickendan on August 27, 2016, 03:20:26 AM
Setting aside OR 99 and US 30 in Oregon and Idaho (too easy), BC 1. Yep, the TCH. Leaves the freeway in Hope, rejoins it near Kamloops.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: Darkchylde on August 27, 2016, 04:46:45 AM
PA 61 near Centralia - for good reason, since the old road inbetween where the designation turns off and comes back is undrivable from the mine fire.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: cooperrhall on September 06, 2016, 10:56:35 PM
US 41 at IN 63 in Indiana probably counts, since it exits and returns to the continuous mainline highway.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: bing101 on September 08, 2016, 06:44:38 PM
I-405 From Sylmar/San Fernando Valley next to I-5. I-405 freeway goes to the west side of Los Angeles and Orange county to the El Toro Y where it meets I-5 again.

I-405 in Washington does the same thing and I-405 in Oregon.
Title: Re: Routes that leave a road and come back to it
Post by: 1 on September 08, 2016, 09:16:52 PM
I-405 From Sylmar/San Fernando Valley next to I-5. I-405 freeway goes to the west side of Los Angeles and Orange county to the El Toro Y where it meets I-5 again.

I-405 in Washington does the same thing and I-405 in Oregon.

That's not what this thread is about.