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Title: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: webny99 on July 16, 2018, 03:06:17 PM
Some interstates and other freeways, even in our own local areas, are positioned such that we never, or rarely, have a reason to use them.
So I ask, what is the nearest freeway segment to you that you've never been on?

I live on the east side of the Rochester, NY, metro, which makes this segment (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/43.0116216,-77.439058/NYS+Thruway+Exit+46,+Henrietta,+NY+14467/@43.0804496,-77.6766361,11.21z/data=!4m8!4m7!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x89d14bf900cd0c5f:0x4cd4a59bc05121d5!2m2!1d-77.6502608!2d43.050892) of the thruway particularly hard to find a use for. I'd only use it when traveling between two places other than home - say Buffalo to Syracuse, or maybe even Henrietta to Victor. In my case, that set of circumstances never aligned until just a few years ago. So there was 12 miles of freeway that was a mere 8 miles from home, that I had never seen in person up until I was 15. As for now, I think this segment of NY 33 in Buffalo (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/42.9238553,-78.8422582/42.932446,-78.7683733/@42.9285807,-78.8349183,13.27z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0), at 68 linear miles away, takes the cake. I've been on every freeway closer than that multiple times.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: 1 on July 16, 2018, 03:14:35 PM
The tip of the Circumferential Highway in Nashua, about 15 miles away.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Eth on July 16, 2018, 03:23:11 PM
While I know I've been on at least some of Ronald Reagan Pkwy in Gwinnett County, I'm fairly sure I haven't clinched it. That's about 15 miles from me.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on July 16, 2018, 03:40:28 PM
A recently opened (July 2nd) section of (Spanish) A-23 North of me. However I'll be clinching it next Sunday. Before and after, it is a large chunk of AP-2. I didn't get to see the parallel N-2 road until two years ago, and the fact it's tolled makes it even harder for me to use it.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: CtrlAltDel on July 16, 2018, 03:55:35 PM
As an inhabitant of the Chicago area, for me, it's either the part of I-355 south of I-55, or that little bit of I-65 between I-90 and I-80/94.

For both of these, it's due to these segments being out of the way for the routings I commonly travel.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: jakeroot on July 16, 2018, 04:23:17 PM
Since I'm right in between them, it's a toss-up:

- I've never driven any of the Vancouver Island freeways. I've only been there on foot. Only a couple hours drive/boat ride from Seattle.
- Never driven OR-217 (the Beaverton-Tigard Hwy). About 2.5 hrs from Seattle.

I've driven every freeway in Vancouver (the Lower Mainland) and Seattle. Most recent clinch was BC-11 (the Abbotsford-Mission Hwy); both sections in Abbotsford and Mission.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: TheStranger on July 16, 2018, 05:20:23 PM
Although my family has driven me down the 580 segment from Altamont to Vernalis numerous times (to reach 5) during trips to Southern California, I've never actually myself used it as a driver - I've taken 4 Bay Area to SoCal roadtrips via US 101, and one Sacramento to LA trip via 99.  (It's about 61 miles east of me)

I'm not sure if I've traveled along the Route 12 freeway in Santa Rosa (62 miles to my north), I think I may have briefly a few years back.

  On the other hand, I've never even been on the short Route 132 freeway (as noted by sparker in another thread, part of the originally proposed I-5W corridor of the 1950s!) from 580 to 5, and that is approximately 73 miles east of me.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 16, 2018, 05:41:36 PM
I-580 between CA 132 and I-205.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: ce929wax on July 16, 2018, 06:15:08 PM
US 131 North of Exit 91, US 127 North of Lansing are the two closest to me.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: GaryV on July 16, 2018, 06:18:39 PM
Probably parts of I-96 south of the Davison.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: HazMatt on July 16, 2018, 06:21:38 PM
Part of All American Freeway in Fayetteville.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: 1995hoo on July 16, 2018, 06:57:50 PM
The eastern end of the Intercounty Connector (MD-200) between I-95 and US-1.

For the nearest one never travelled at all in whole or in part, Iím pretty sure itíd be I-795 near Baltimore.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Hurricane Rex on July 16, 2018, 07:51:36 PM
WA SR 14 between mp 1-3 is my closest. It is about 40 minutes away.

LG-TP260

Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: wxfree on July 16, 2018, 07:51:45 PM
My answer is easy.  It's the toll road along the south end of TX 360 (the highway runs only along the frontage roads, which I've been on many times), about 20 miles away.  This is because it's only been open for 2 months.

Other than that, it's probably US 80 in east Dallas, about 50 miles away.  I live south of Dallas and have never had a reason to go that way.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: vdeane on July 16, 2018, 08:03:53 PM
The closest for me is MA 57 near Springfield.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: formulanone on July 16, 2018, 08:29:10 PM
I-22 between AL 233 and MS 23; the only bit of interstate left for me to clinch, in order to "complete" both states' interstate networks.
>> Completed, 10/2018

There's some parts of I-40 west of Nashville I don't think I've driven before; west of I-24 and TN 100. I haven't completed all of the nearby Briley Parkway (TN 155). 
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: ilpt4u on July 16, 2018, 08:38:04 PM
For me, would have to be parts of the STL Beltway, mainly I/IL 255 from its Northern Terminus, South and then West to I-270 (at the MO I-55 junction) and then North on I-270 until about I-64...Matter of fact, I don't think I have ever traveled on any segment of the I/IL 255 Freeway

I-44 leaving STL to the Southwest

And some of the Kentucky Parkways in Western KY (until very recently, pretty much all the Kentucky Parkways) such as the Purchase and the Pennyrile (depending on how the Pennyrile is defined, I may have traveled one Exit length between the Audubon and KY 425)

The old I-164 in Indiana, now known as I-69 between I-64 and Evansville
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: wanderer2575 on July 16, 2018, 08:51:39 PM
Nearest to me would be parts of I-69 between Flint and Port Huron, MI.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: hbelkins on July 16, 2018, 08:58:33 PM
Any freeway portions of the Ronald Reagan Cross-County Highway in Cincinnati.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: jon daly on July 16, 2018, 09:00:55 PM
The closest for me is MA 57 near Springfield.

I think that I clinched that when I was in my 20s, worked 2nd shift, and took pointless drives. I'll have to check, but if I didn't clinch that, it's the closest one. Otherwise, it might be the Northway north of Saratoga. or some freeway in Maine.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Beltway on July 16, 2018, 11:01:10 PM
I can't think of any freeway segment in Virginia, Maryland or D.C. that I have not driven.

Probably the NC-540 Triangle Expressway in N.C.  I almost used it as part of an alternate routing on a trip to Florida in Sept. 2016 when I-95 near Fayetteville was closed due to tropical storm flooding, but the segment reopened a couple days before my trip.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Bruce on July 16, 2018, 11:16:21 PM
Within Washington: only Interstate 82 between Yakima and Oregon (plus I-182).

Vancouver Island's freeways would technically be closer, along with some other roads in the Fraser Valley.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: kj3400 on July 16, 2018, 11:16:47 PM
The spur of I-895 that leads to I-97 and MD 2.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Kulerage on July 16, 2018, 11:18:27 PM
The part of I-540 between US 1 (in the north) and US 64/264.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: mrcmc888 on July 17, 2018, 01:07:38 AM
For me it's the segment of I-640 in Knoxville east of the I-75/275 interchange.  Given that I live in West Knoxville and use I-40 when I need to head east and I-75 when I need to head north, it should really come as no surprise.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Rothman on July 17, 2018, 08:05:23 AM
Pfft.  Freeway segment?  Northern end of the Palisades Interstate Parkway, maybe.  I have never been to Bear Mountain.

Hard to tell here in NY.  Too many short little segments everywhere that are easy to miss.

In terms of interstates, the resigned section of I-95/I-295 in NJ/PA and I-781 are basically equidistant from me (I will wait for the entire I-95 project to be done to re-clinch those segments).  After that is the very end of I-190 between the last exit and the border crossing (got my passport, finally).

Then comes a section of I-95 in Maine between exits 217 and 286.

From there it is probably the northwest quarter of the  I-270 loop or I-75 south of the Ohio Turnpike.

Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: slorydn1 on July 17, 2018, 10:42:30 AM
The Toll 540 or Toll 147 in the RDU area because tolls-well that and the fact that I never need to go anywhere served by those roads. I am not a shunpiker per se, but I'm not going out of my way to use a road that costs money for no good reason either.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: kurumi on July 17, 2018, 11:26:28 AM
 Nearest (to where I've ever lived): also MA 57, about 35 miles away.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: PHLBOS on July 17, 2018, 11:29:22 AM
Given that I've touched just about every freeway segment in my immediate area (Greater Philly); the nearest one that I haven't been on at all would be MD 10 just south of Baltimore.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 17, 2018, 11:35:48 AM
There's a 1 mile section of I-295 in NJ I'm rarely on since I can access the road via the exits just north and south of there.

Same with the NJ Turnpike between Exits 2 & 3.

I'm gonna say there's probably some odd freeway roadway in Delaware County or Chester County, PA that I've never been on; about 30 or 45 minutes away.  Otherwise, I don't believe I've ever driven much of I-78 in NJ; about 70 miles from me.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: plain on July 17, 2018, 11:36:17 AM
Great thread.

I just remembered I have yet to drive the short stretch of VA 267 inside the beltway.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: TheHighwayMan394 on July 17, 2018, 11:37:02 AM
I think mine is the remaining freeway section of US 14 west of US 169 in Mankato.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: TheCatalyst31 on July 17, 2018, 11:46:07 AM
The WI 26 bypass of Watertown. I've driven all the other freeway segments of WI 26, but I took the business route the one time I was in the Watertown area.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Rothman on July 17, 2018, 11:48:43 AM
Nearest (to where I've ever lived): also MA 57, about 35 miles away.
Heh.  Not too many Riverside/Six Flags fans on here. :D
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: jon daly on July 17, 2018, 11:57:58 AM
Is this as the crow flies?  It might be the eastern part of the LIE, but I'd have to take a ferry to get there.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: citrus on July 17, 2018, 12:09:10 PM
CA-4 between I-80 and CA-242... the 4/80 junction is about 25 miles away by road.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: sparker on July 17, 2018, 12:26:22 PM
The CA 37 freeway around the north side of Vallejo, particularly the portion between the fairgrounds and the Napa River bridge including the interchange with CA 29.  Built while I was still living in SoCal; haven't had the need nor opportunity to drive on it as of yet since I moved up here at the end of 2012.  One of these days.............
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: webny99 on July 17, 2018, 12:28:50 PM
Pfft.  Freeway segment?
What would you have preferred to answer? Nearest road in general? Nearest Hudson River Crossing?  :-D

Is this as the crow flies?  It might be the eastern part of the LIE, but I'd have to take a ferry to get there.
Sure, why not? Generally, I was thinking of over land, but whatever floats your boat (see what I did there?).
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: jon daly on July 17, 2018, 12:30:49 PM
^^ Thanks. I may've driven to the entire LIE back in the 90s, but I didn't keep a diary of these things. If I did, then the Sunrise Highway is probably my answer.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: texaskdog on July 17, 2018, 12:31:51 PM
If we're not counting tollways, probably I-14 by Temple (we live in South Austin).  Keeping tollways in, the stretch of toll 130 near here.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 17, 2018, 01:17:40 PM
Probably parts of I-676 in Philadelphia and New Jersey plus parts of I-264 and VA-164 in Portsmouth and Chesapeake, Virginia.

Curious, since I have driven all of the parent routes in the respective states (I-76 in Pennsylvania is pretty long as is I-64 (I am counting it as a parent of VA-164 too) across Virginia.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: cjk374 on July 17, 2018, 01:22:16 PM
Any of the I-x10s in NOLA. Also the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway (shameful).
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: noelbotevera on July 17, 2018, 01:29:14 PM
I've never been on US 15 in MD north of Exit 13 (the freeway segment near Frederick). For me, that's 53 miles away (37 as the crow flies).

The nearest freeway I've never been on at all is the Patuxent Freeway, which would be 87 miles away (63 as the crow flies).
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: cabiness42 on July 17, 2018, 01:39:55 PM
There is a very small section of I-355 between the NB355->EB88 and the WB88->NB355 ramps that I haven't covered yet.  46 miles from home.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: adwerkema on July 17, 2018, 02:03:42 PM
I'm surprised to find out that my closest untraveled freeway segment is only 7 miles away. Living in Kentwood, I never have a reason to drive the portion of I-196 between Chicago Drive and Lake Michigan Drive. Living in Grand Rapids 19 years, I may have been on this segment at some point, but I have no clear memory of doing so.
(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1786/43472266051_6ea4136030_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Beltway on July 17, 2018, 02:27:45 PM
Probably parts of I-676 in Philadelphia and New Jersey plus parts of I-264 and VA-164 in Portsmouth and Chesapeake, Virginia.
Curious, since I have driven all of the parent routes in the respective states (I-76 in Pennsylvania is pretty long as is I-64 (I am counting it as a parent of VA-164 too) across Virginia.

I didn't 'clinch' I-381 and my last section of VA I-81 (about 20 miles just south of Pulaski) until 2017 (TN eclipse trip).

It was raining so hard on my one previous I-81 trip thru the Bristol area (1991) that I skipped I-381.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: froggie on July 17, 2018, 02:31:20 PM
Hard to say...probably something in Montreal.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: slorydn1 on July 17, 2018, 02:38:28 PM
I'm surprised to find out that my closest untraveled freeway segment is only 7 miles away. Living in Kentwood, I never have a reason to drive the portion of I-196 between Chicago Drive and Lake Michigan Drive. Living in Grand Rapids 19 years, I may have been on this segment at some point, but I have no clear memory of doing so.
(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1786/43472266051_6ea4136030_b.jpg)

That's funny, because when I was a young pup in the 1970's living in Jenison (Georgetown Township) that very segment of I-196 was the freeway I spent the most time riding on. I can even vaguely remember when I-196 ended at Chicago Dr.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: adwerkema on July 17, 2018, 02:55:11 PM
I'm surprised to find out that my closest untraveled freeway segment is only 7 miles away. Living in Kentwood, I never have a reason to drive the portion of I-196 between Chicago Drive and Lake Michigan Drive. Living in Grand Rapids 19 years, I may have been on this segment at some point, but I have no clear memory of doing so.
That's funny, because when I was a young pup in the 1970's living in Jenison (Georgetown Township) that very segment of I-196 was the freeway I spent the most time riding on. I can even vaguely remember when I-196 ended at Chicago Dr.
That's hilarious and quite ironic  :-D
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: SectorZ on July 17, 2018, 03:39:13 PM
MA 240, which is the only inch of freeway in my state I've never been on.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: webny99 on July 17, 2018, 07:58:51 PM
Great thread.

Thanks!
The idea popped into my head, and I was honestly quite surprised to find it hadn't been done before.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: jon daly on July 17, 2018, 08:14:06 PM
Nearest (to where I've ever lived): also MA 57, about 35 miles away.
Heh.  Not too many Riverside/Six Flags fans on here. :D

MA-57 has a weird layout where all the exits are westbound and all the entrances are eastbound.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: paulthemapguy on July 17, 2018, 10:40:49 PM
It's almost certainly the Bishop Ford Freeway, which is less than 45 minutes from me.  I have no reason to take it since it runs circumferential to where I live!
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 17, 2018, 10:45:09 PM
Nearest freeway I've yet to drive on? Oh 4, west of Springfield Ohio. (Northern end is 61 miles from home)
Nearest interstate I've yet to drive on? I-75 between I-70 and US 33 (the nearest point on I-75 from me would be 67 miles)
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: AsphaltPlanet on July 17, 2018, 10:47:06 PM
For me, it's probably the 104 Freeway in Rochester.  There's some mileage in Cleveland that I haven't finished as well, but I think Rochester is closer, certainly it's closer to me as the crow flies.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Roadsguy on July 17, 2018, 11:11:25 PM
It might be the short segment of I-78 between PA 343 and US 22. I don't think I've ever been on that part at all. If I have, it'd be PA 283 between the Airport Spur and PA 230. I've never driven it all the way from Harrisburg to Lancaster.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: GenExpwy on July 18, 2018, 04:15:45 AM
From Wayland NY, mine would be the Lake Ontario Parkway east of NY 390, followed by a bit of NY 400 around East Aurora.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: jp the roadgeek on July 18, 2018, 04:51:27 AM
From where I live, it would have to be the southern leg of I-684 leading to I-287.  Might have on a bus on a field trip to NYC, but Iíve never driven it.    I always use the Saw Mill when I head toward NYC and points southwest, and Iíll use the Hutch connection going to Long Island.  That would be about 70 miles from me. Next closest is the Thruway between Exits 17 and 19, about 80 miles.  The whole 17-21A stretch is out of the way.  Iíve only driven 19-21A once driving from Lancaster PA to Lake George, but took US 209 as the hypotenuse of the 84/87 triangle between Port Jervis and Kingston.

MA 57 can be desolate, especially at night.  I would take it as part of the backway home from Springfield if there was night construction on I-91 or I-84.  The west end reminds me of how I-691 (then CT 66) used to end at Exit 4.  You can see where it was meant to extend beyond MA 187.  There is one EB Exit at MA 75 (creating a palindrome).
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: 1 on July 18, 2018, 07:40:33 AM
MA 240, which is the only inch of freeway in my state I've never been on.

MA 240 is not a freeway. It's similar to Industrial Ave. in Haverhill (most people on this forum aren't familiar with it, but I know you are).
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: formulanone on July 18, 2018, 07:47:09 AM
MA 240, which is the only inch of freeway in my state I've never been on.

MA 240 is not a freeway. It's similar to Industrial Ave. in Haverhill (most people on this forum aren't familiar with it, but I know you are).

One set of ramps followed by two traffic signals does not a freeway make.

Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: jon daly on July 18, 2018, 09:38:06 AM
Pfft.  Freeway segment?
What would you have preferred to answer? Nearest road in general? Nearest Hudson River Crossing?  :-D

Is this as the crow flies?  It might be the eastern part of the LIE, but I'd have to take a ferry to get there.
Sure, why not? Generally, I was thinking of over land, but whatever floats your boat (see what I did there?).

If Long Island doesn't qualify, then eastbound RI-37 might. I've driven the entire westbound portion, but not the eastbound one. If it doesn't matter which direction I took, then the answer may be the Huntington Expressway (RI-10.)
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: bdmoss88 on July 18, 2018, 09:55:53 AM
I-185, I'm pretty sure I drove it from I-85 to US-80 but haven't been on it south of there.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: mgk920 on July 18, 2018, 10:30:03 AM
For me:

-- Geographically ('As the Crow Flies') closest - US 31 north of Muskegon, MI.

-- Driving distance closest - US 12 Baraboo, WI bypass.

(those two are close, distance wise)

-- Nearest tollway - IL 390 east of I-290.

An interesting case, due to where I grew up I was never on US (now 'I') 41 between Northland Ave (WI 15/County 'OO') and Richmond St (WI 47) here in Appleton, WI until after I was granted a driving license.

 :meh:

Mike
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: jemacedo9 on July 18, 2018, 10:47:50 AM
This was a tough one...but from SE PA, for me it's the NJ Turnpike between Exits 1 and 6, which is maybe 45 miles from me.

I-95 in DE between the northern I-495 split and US 202, is closer, and I've only driven that once.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Takumi on July 18, 2018, 11:13:31 AM
Unless the US 58 Emporia bypass counts, it’s either the US 29 bypass of Lynchburg or the newly-extended segment of VA 164, whichever is closer. I’ve driven every bit of freeway in the Richmond area and the rest of the freeways in Hampton Roads.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: davmillar on July 18, 2018, 11:17:46 AM
Honestly a large majority of the DFW area has freeways I've never driven. Most of Dallas and the mid-cities, especially. I-20 out west from here as well. Didn't realize until recently that the 20/30 merge was actually the western terminus of I-30, so that was neat to learn.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: bing101 on July 18, 2018, 12:20:38 PM
CA-13 Warren Freeway, CA-163 and CA-110 are the nearest freeways I never been to.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: triplemultiplex on July 18, 2018, 01:11:45 PM
Something in Chicago; IL 53 probably.  Was a passenger on part of it, but never drove.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: 1 on July 18, 2018, 01:15:45 PM
Something in Chicago; IL 53 probably.  Was a passenger on part of it, but never drove.

Looking at the OP, "drive" probably wasn't literal.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: roadman on July 18, 2018, 01:21:38 PM
From where I live (Wakefield, MA), the nearest freeway segment I've never driven is I-295 in Maine.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: 1 on July 18, 2018, 01:33:33 PM
From where I live (Wakefield, MA), the nearest freeway segment I've never driven is I-295 in Maine.

Just making sure you have been on all of these:
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: plain on July 18, 2018, 02:47:06 PM
Unless the US 58 Emporia bypass counts, itís either the US 29 bypass of Lynchburg or the newly-extended segment of VA 164, whichever is closer. Iíve driven every bit of freeway in the Richmond area and the rest of the freeways in Hampton Roads.

Indeed the US 58 Emporia bypass is not a full freeway as the connections to both Davis St and Reese St meets the bypass at at-grade intersections. However, I do consider the Lawrenceville bypass, about 20 miles to the west, a freeway (not sure if you've driven that or not).
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Beltway on July 18, 2018, 04:30:13 PM
Unless the US 58 Emporia bypass counts, itís either the US 29 bypass of Lynchburg or the newly-extended segment of VA 164, whichever is closer. Iíve driven every bit of freeway in the Richmond area and the rest of the freeways in Hampton Roads.
Indeed the US 58 Emporia bypass is not a full freeway as the connections to both Davis St and Reese St meets the bypass at at-grade intersections. However, I do consider the Lawrenceville bypass, about 20 miles to the west, a freeway (not sure if you've driven that or not).

Correct on both.  These US-58 bypasses are full freeways -- Courtland, Franklin and Suffolk.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: odditude on July 18, 2018, 04:40:14 PM
The Dulles Greenway portion of VA 267.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: catch22 on July 18, 2018, 05:03:01 PM
For me, it's the section of I-469 from the US-24 interchange north and west to I-69 in Fort Wayne.

Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: bzakharin on July 18, 2018, 07:27:43 PM
There are several very close to me:

1. NJ Turnpike south of Exit 4. Since it's my answer to the "what exit?" question, there's no reason not to take I-295 instead unless it's jammed, and I just don't traverse that area frequently enough to have encountered that.
2. I-676 south of the US 30 split. It's extremely local, so unless your destination is right on it, it doesn't make sense
3. I-295 between Exit 34 and 36. This one is "almost never" since I remember driving it at least once,  when the southbound entrance was jammed, and I decided to go north instead (didn't help me a bit, got into a worse jam, won't be repeating it any time soon). It's actually the closest segment of Interstate to me, but because of that, I enter at 36 to go north and 34 (or sometimes 32) to go south.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: SteveG1988 on July 18, 2018, 07:39:17 PM
I-195 east of NJ 18, never had a need to go past there.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: bzakharin on July 18, 2018, 07:42:48 PM
Looking at the OP, "drive" probably wasn't literal.
Well, if so, then my entire list might be disqualified. Even I-676. Back when Admiral Wilson Blvd (US 30) flooded frequently I remember my school bus driver being forced onto 676 instead. Though I'm pretty sure we never went all the way south to I-76 on it. Then I'd have to say DE 1/7.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Super Mateo on July 18, 2018, 07:52:39 PM
Before the I-57/I-294 partial interchange was built, my answer would probably be I-94 from I-57 to I-80.  I still rarely travel it, but once the 57/294 interchange was opened, I-294 from I-57 to I-80 would be the new winner.  Using the Harlem/IL 43/Exit 148 point of entry, I go to I-57, then 294 north when going to Rosemont for various games/shows.  If I'm going to points east (like another location of my workplace), I'll stay on Interstate 80, even if I'm paying tolls to be stuck behind trucks that don't follow IL lane restrictions that the cops won't enforce, along with the illogical use of 294's exit numbers instead of I-80's.

TL;DR:  The short stretch of I-294 from I-80 to I-57.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: SectorZ on July 18, 2018, 09:17:15 PM
MA 240, which is the only inch of freeway in my state I've never been on.

MA 240 is not a freeway. It's similar to Industrial Ave. in Haverhill (most people on this forum aren't familiar with it, but I know you are).

I guess that explains why I need to drive on it so I would actually know that! In that case mine is probably RI 10 down near 95, which may actually be closer than MA 240 anyways.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: webny99 on July 18, 2018, 10:04:26 PM
Something in Chicago; IL 53 probably.  Was a passenger on part of it, but never drove.
Looking at the OP, "drive" probably wasn't literal.

Correct.
I actually considered phrasing it as "been on" instead of "driven", but decided the latter was more concise. I try to avoid wordy thread titles.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: webny99 on July 18, 2018, 10:14:34 PM
mine would be the Lake Ontario Parkway east of NY 390
For me, it's probably the 104 Freeway in Rochester.

Irony of all ironies, I use the NY 104 freeway every day, and the east end of the LOSP quite frequently as well.

I guess Rochester's highway network isn't particularly well-suited to clinching if you're not from the area. I imagine I've clinched a lot more of the Buffalo/Syracuse freeway networks than someone from there has clinched of Rochester's, simply because we're further from the beaten path.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: roadman65 on July 18, 2018, 10:20:07 PM
I-95 from Riveria Beach to Fort Lauderdale.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Duke87 on July 19, 2018, 01:25:47 AM
I don't think I have ever been on the section of Nicolls Road south of the LIE (I-495). But it is difficult for me to say definitively since I do not actively keep track of what county roads I have or have not been on.

If I have, then the next closest is the short freeway spur to the Walt Whitman Bridge from NJ 168 (internal designation NJ 76C, but no signed number).
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Flint1979 on July 19, 2018, 01:30:49 AM
If I say it then I'll probably be making plans to go drive on it to clinch it. I'd guess that it's I-94 between Port Huron and Detroit since I don't ever recall going to Port Huron and Detroit in the same day before. It's nowhere on I-75 that's for sure since I have that highway clinched all the way from Sault Ste. Marie to Fort Myers.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Buffaboy on July 19, 2018, 07:54:22 AM
Some interstates and other freeways, even in our own local areas, are positioned such that we never, or rarely, have a reason to use them.
So I ask, what is the nearest freeway segment to you that you've never been on?

I live on the east side of the Rochester, NY, metro, which makes this segment (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/43.0116216,-77.439058/NYS+Thruway+Exit+46,+Henrietta,+NY+14467/@43.0804496,-77.6766361,11.21z/data=!4m8!4m7!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x89d14bf900cd0c5f:0x4cd4a59bc05121d5!2m2!1d-77.6502608!2d43.050892) of the thruway particularly hard to find a use for. I'd only use it when traveling between two places other than home - say Buffalo to Syracuse, or maybe even Henrietta to Victor. In my case, that set of circumstances never aligned until just a few years ago. So there was 12 miles of freeway that was a mere 8 miles from home, that I had never seen in person up until I was 15. As for now, I think this segment of NY 33 in Buffalo (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/42.9238553,-78.8422582/42.932446,-78.7683733/@42.9285807,-78.8349183,13.27z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e0), at 68 linear miles away, takes the cake. I've been on every freeway closer than that multiple times.

I always like it when you open up these threads...

While you didn't drive on that section of I-90 for many years, I did many times when we would take the Thruway from Buffalo to NYC.

Also, with regards to NY 33, I probably first rode on that when I was an infant.

I think the 2 closest segments of highway I've never driven are I-390 from I-90 to Mount Morris and I-86 west of Broad St in. Jamestown. Just as you have no reason to ride on I-90 east of that interchange to I-490, it doesn't make sense for me to backtrack from there unless I have to go to the Coneseus area.

I would say the same with I-86. I would doubt many people in the Buffalo area have a reason to use it.

Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: webny99 on July 19, 2018, 08:26:59 AM
mine would be the Lake Ontario Parkway east of NY 390
For me, it's probably the 104 Freeway in Rochester.
I-390 from I-90 to Mount Morris
This is getting better and better!  :-D :clap:

I always like it when you open up these threads...
Thanks!
86 replies in 48 hours is not too bad. I find it intriguing, the way some of us don't even have a use for freeways near to home that long-distance travelers use all the time.

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I would say the same with I-86. I would doubt many people in the Buffalo area have a reason to use it.
Very true. And since you say that, this section of I-86 (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/42.3721849,-77.6744859/42.3888203,-77.3846937/@42.7067013,-77.7621314,9.54z) just popped into my mind. I've never driven it and quite possibly never will: If we're headed southeast we take I-390, and if we're headed southwest we take NY 36. People from Rochester have zero use for that section in the middle.

Where else does this happen? I imagine it happens more frequently than we tend to think.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: ET21 on July 19, 2018, 08:41:52 AM
IL-394 and anything north of Golf Road on the Edens (I-94)
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Eth on July 19, 2018, 08:56:02 AM
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I would say the same with I-86. I would doubt many people in the Buffalo area have a reason to use it.
Very true. And since you say that, this section of I-86 (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/42.3721849,-77.6744859/42.3888203,-77.3846937/@42.7067013,-77.7621314,9.54z) just popped into my mind. I've never driven it and quite possibly never will: If we're headed southeast we take I-390, and if we're headed southwest we take NY 36. People from Rochester have zero use for that section in the middle.

Where else does this happen? I imagine it happens more frequently than we tend to think.


From where I am (Decatur, GA), I have no likely use for:
I've covered all of those, but currently traveling on any of those segments would have to be an intentional thing.

Outside metro Atlanta, I can't think of any reason for me (other than intentionally doing so) to use
(and sure enough, I have not been on any of those, except for little bits of I-59 and I-95 I picked up specifically to clinch Georgia's Interstate system).
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: SSOWorld on July 19, 2018, 11:10:21 AM
I'd say US 14 west of I-35 in MN.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: inkyatari on July 19, 2018, 12:32:57 PM
I-155 between Peoria and Lincoln, IL
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: vdeane on July 19, 2018, 01:26:35 PM
mine would be the Lake Ontario Parkway east of NY 390
For me, it's probably the 104 Freeway in Rochester.

Irony of all ironies, I use the NY 104 freeway every day, and the east end of the LOSP quite frequently as well.

I guess Rochester's highway network isn't particularly well-suited to clinching if you're not from the area. I imagine I've clinched a lot more of the Buffalo/Syracuse freeway networks than someone from there has clinched of Rochester's, simply because we're further from the beaten path.
Depends on where you live too.  My first time on I-590 between exits 1 and 2 would have been much later than just about everything else in the area.  Likewise, I may well have been in high school by the time I saw the Thruway between 45 and 46, and that may have been Mom allowing me to structure some errands specifically to see it.  I can still count on one hand the number of times I've been there.  And aside from pieces I saw on the way to and during the Salamanca meet, the only two times I've been on I-86 west of I-390 were to clinch and photograph it (and that clinch is remarkable for me somehow convincing Mom to spend a day driving me on it; I'm still not sure how I did that, and I may well have been joking when I first suggested it).

These days, living in Albany, I have little use for the Quickway.  I did a couple of short hops when clinching things in the area, but that was it.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: clong on July 19, 2018, 01:51:53 PM
I-185 Columbus GA
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: roadman on July 19, 2018, 02:04:14 PM
From where I live (Wakefield, MA), the nearest freeway segment I've never driven is I-295 in Maine.

Just making sure you have been on all of these:
  • Everything in Greater Providence, including:
  •     PVD airport connector
  •     RI 10 east of I-95
  •     RI 37 west of I-295 and east of I-95
  • Circumferential Highway, Nashua, NH
  • MA 18 in New Bedford (unlike MA 240, this is a freeway for one mile)
  • Manchester NH airport connector
  • I-89 east of I-93

Yep, I've been on all of those.  Have family in both the Manchester NH and Providence RI areas.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: webny99 on July 19, 2018, 02:41:19 PM
Depends on where you live too. My first time on I-590 between exits 1 and 2 would have been much later than just about everything else in the area.
See, in my case no matter what direction I'm headed (except for due east or northeast), I get on the freeway at NY 590 Exit 7. I don't have a "bottom of the triangle" segment like that (aside from the aforementioned Thruway, but that's on more of a macro-scale).

And aside from pieces I saw on the way to and during the Salamanca meet, the only two times I've been on I-86 west of I-390 were to clinch and photograph it.
I travel down to Cleveland fairly regularly, and if it so happens we're headed there in the summer, or especially fall, on a non-binding schedule, we'll take I-86 for the scenery. However, it is Allegany State Park that is responsible for most of my travels on that part of I-86.
That one segment I mentioned earlier, between I-390 and NY 36, is the only segment of I-86/NY 17 that haven't seen at all. Corning to Binghamton is the only other stretch that I can still easily count how many times I've been on - just three, to be exact.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: vdeane on July 19, 2018, 03:45:01 PM
For some reason, we never traveled west often when I was young.  Even Buffalo was rare, and never west of there (aside from one trip to Toronto when I was in high school and the previously mentioned trip to clinch I-86).  Most of our vacations were to the 1000 Islands, though we also did Boston and Philadelphia when I was in middle school (and DC in college, following up on my 7th grade field trip).  The vast majority of my travels have been college and after.

These days, my long-range travels seems to have a south-west bias into the mid-Atlantic the the South.  For the most part, the midwest is still unexplored for me, with my only foray west of Erie north of the Ohio River being part of my return from Florida this year.  Even New England I haven't traveled significantly deep in as of late, and I haven't been to Canada in four years.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: mvak36 on July 19, 2018, 04:44:15 PM
I think that some of the highways in Jefferson city are freeways, so that would be mine. Otherwise, the next closest would be I-55 in St. Louis (everything south from the I-270/I-255 interchange).
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: webny99 on July 20, 2018, 01:32:51 PM
These days, my long-range travels seems to have a south-west bias into the mid-Atlantic the the South.  For the most part, the midwest is still unexplored for me, with my only foray west of Erie north of the Ohio River being part of my return from Florida this year.

Funny, because my travels are pretty much the opposite (http://www.mob-rule.com/user-gifs/USA/webny99.gif), being tilted heavily towards the Midwest due to family in MN and ND.

I wouldn't say there's a certain direction we specifically don't travel towards or avoid, although the most glaring gap seems to be west/southwest towards Missouri and southern Illinois and Indiana. Weekend trips tend to be either Canada, Cleveland, or Rockland County/Northern Jersey, along with several to Philly and Baltimore.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: ilpt4u on July 20, 2018, 01:43:28 PM

I wouldn't say there's a certain direction we specifically don't travel towards or avoid, although the most glaring gap seems to be west/southwest towards Missouri and southern Illinois and Indiana.
Come on down for a visit! Southern IL And Southeast Missouri is a nice area! Lots of local breweries and wineries, if you care for such things
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: jon daly on July 20, 2018, 02:38:50 PM
From where I live (Wakefield, MA), the nearest freeway segment I've never driven is I-295 in Maine.

Just making sure you have been on all of these:
  • Everything in Greater Providence, including:
  •     PVD airport connector
  •     RI 10 east of I-95
  •     RI 37 west of I-295 and east of I-95
  • Circumferential Highway, Nashua, NH
  • MA 18 in New Bedford (unlike MA 240, this is a freeway for one mile)
  • Manchester NH airport connector
  • I-89 east of I-93

Yep, I've been on all of those.  Have family in both the Manchester NH and Providence RI areas.

What about the East Shore Expressway? I've got that covered because I work off of the Wampanoag Trail.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: webny99 on July 21, 2018, 01:26:18 PM
I wouldn't say there's a certain direction we specifically don't travel towards or avoid, although the most glaring gap seems to be west/southwest towards Missouri and southern Illinois and Indiana.
Come on down for a visit! Southern IL And Southeast Missouri is a nice area! Lots of local breweries and wineries, if you care for such things

I am under 21 at the moment... But yeah, maybe someday, and I'm sure there are other attractions!  :-D
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: ftballfan on July 21, 2018, 02:19:48 PM
Here are my five closest:
1. US-127 between US-10 and M-55
2. I-75 between M-55 west and M-32; however, I HAVE been on the short section between US-127 and the south end of Grayling
3. I-475 south of I-69
4. I-69 east of I-475
5. Indiana Toll Road between I-94 and US-131

Until recently, I hadn't been on US-131 south of I-94 or I-75 between US-10 and M-55 west.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: DandyDan on July 21, 2018, 07:33:34 PM
The section of the US 63 bypass of New Hampton, IA north of US 18 has definitely been missed. Until a couple weeks ago, I hadn't been on US 20 between US 65 and IA 14. The only piece of Iowa interstate I have never driven is I-380 between US 20 and downtown Cedar Rapids. As for Minnesota, the only section of I-90 I have not driven is between MN 43 north and US 61. As for the Twin Cities area, that's a mass of undriven freeways.

EDIT: Forgot about US 14 to Mankato. I did drive to the first exit west of I-35,  but not beyond that.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Buck87 on July 21, 2018, 08:33:28 PM
OH 8 between I-271 and OH 303
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: SSR_317 on July 21, 2018, 09:19:15 PM
For me, it would have to be the section of I-65 between its north junction with I-465 (exit 123) near Eagle Creek Park and I-865 (SB exit 129). Since I live in NE Indy, have never had a reason to do that particular stretch of freeway.

Next would be I-74 to the southeast of Post Rd (exit 96). I have FLOWN over the entirety of I-74 between Indy & Cincy many times, back when Delta had a hub at CVG, but have never driven it. Used to do an over/under bet on that flight between taxi time at both ends and the actual flight time (which was 18-22 minutes, depending on air traffic). Especially before the midfield terminal opened here at IND in 2008, when you could have a 4-mile taxi from the original terminal to the farthest runway end. One humorous pilot actually came on the aircraft's PA during such a taxi and reassured us that we were actually gonna FLY to Cincy, and not DRIVE (we WERE paralleling a freeway... but it was WB I-70 heading to Terre Haute & St. Louis).
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: SSR_317 on July 21, 2018, 09:24:29 PM
For me, it's the section of I-469 from the US-24 interchange north and west to I-69 in Fort Wayne.
You're not missing much there, unless you want to "clinch" I-469. ;)
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: swhuck on July 23, 2018, 06:38:16 PM
Probably one of the numerous toll roads near Austin. If by freeway you mean something that is actually free, it would more likely be in Houston, or possibly one of the 3DIs in OKC.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: webny99 on July 23, 2018, 07:32:11 PM
I didn't intend for "freeway" to be interpreted so literally. Toll roads count, as far as I'm concerned. I mentioned one in the OP as a - free - "controlled access" road I had never been on until recently.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: mrsman on September 07, 2018, 11:36:50 AM
The eastern end of the Intercounty Connector (MD-200) between I-95 and US-1.

For the nearest one never travelled at all in whole or in part, Iím pretty sure itíd be I-795 near Baltimore.

The eastern end of ICC is mine as well.  Others that I have not touched (I don't think) are I-66 between Dulles Access Road and I-495.  Dulles Toll Road west of Tysons (but have used the DAAR to reach the airport).  Never been on I-70 between I-270 and US 29.

When I lived in LA (West Hollywood area), I never had occasion to drive on the CA-14 freeway.  (I'm sure my father used it when I was 6 and we took a trip to Mammoth Lakes.)  I'm also pretty sure that there are parts of the 60, and the 605 that I have never driven either.  The part of I-5 between the 170 and Dodger Stadium seems like an area that I may have driven but it would be rare, given the freeway configuration and difficulty to reach that section from where I lived.  I can definitely say that I never drove on the OC toll roads, even though CA-73 was completed before I left LA.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Flint1979 on September 07, 2018, 11:43:13 AM
Oddly enough I've driven on every stretch of freeway in the state of Michigan.

The winner for me is the Ohio Turnpike between the Indiana state line and Toledo. I avoid the Ohio Turnpike at all costs but have driven it east of Toledo. I would take US-20 between Toledo and the Indiana line, it's a little shorter and only takes 15 minutes longer to drive.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: abefroman329 on September 07, 2018, 11:53:25 AM
Probably I-80 west of Oswego.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Flint1979 on September 07, 2018, 12:03:54 PM
For me, it's the section of I-469 from the US-24 interchange north and west to I-69 in Fort Wayne.
You're not missing much there, unless you want to "clinch" I-469. ;)
I've clinched I-469 and must agree that it's nothing special.

I clinched it in January 2014 and it was during one of our deep freeze winters of course, I remember pumping gas at the Flying J in New Haven and looking at my phone at the temp and it was -13 with a wind chill of -35 at 2 in the morning.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: TEG24601 on September 07, 2018, 12:34:28 PM
I have never been on the West Seattle Freeway/Bridge.  I have been on I-705 (WA) precisely once in my life, as a passenger. 


When living in Flint, I never once went north of M-21/Court St. on I-475.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: doorknob60 on September 07, 2018, 04:16:32 PM
Have never driven on myself (but I have traveled on in some way):

Have never been on at all:
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Charles2 on September 08, 2018, 03:40:53 AM
I live in the Birmingham metro area, so I'm not sure which is the closest:

* I-55 south of Jackson to Laplace, LA
* I-10 east of AL-59 towards Pensacola
* I-55 north of Jackson to Senatobia, MS
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Roadsguy on September 08, 2018, 09:59:43 PM
Probably the section of PA 283 between Toll House Road and PA 743.

That or US 30 between York and Lancaster.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: SSR_317 on September 09, 2018, 04:57:25 PM
For me, it's the section of I-469 from the US-24 interchange north and west to I-69 in Fort Wayne.
You're not missing much there, unless you want to "clinch" I-469. ;)
I've clinched I-469 and must agree that it's nothing special.

I clinched it in January 2014 and it was during one of our deep freeze winters of course, I remember pumping gas at the Flying J in New Haven and looking at my phone at the temp and it was -13 with a wind chill of -35 at 2 in the morning.
Burr! Remember skiing once up at Boyne Highlands when the temperature was below zero. Cold, but manageable. But the worst was skiing at Paoli Peaks in southern IN when the air temp was -21įF. At least the good thing was the 100% sunshine that morning and the only wind chill was that generated by my skiing down the hill. ;-)
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: akotchi on September 09, 2018, 05:44:51 PM
This one is tough . . . I live northeast of Philadelphia, but the closest open freeway segment I have not driven is probably the section of Route 100 between U.S. 30 and U.S. 202 . . .
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: pdx-wanderer on September 09, 2018, 10:24:16 PM
Mmm. I don't think I've ever been on the OR 22 freeway segment east of Salem. The closest interstate I've never been on would be I-710 in Tacoma.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: theroadwayone on September 10, 2018, 12:32:04 AM
I think I can safely say I've driven on all the freeways in the San Diego area at least once. I haven't been on the new segment of SR 905 since it opened to traffic; ditto with SR 11. The closest highways I've never been on would be mostly in Orange or Riverside Counties.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Occidental Tourist on September 10, 2018, 01:54:47 AM
From a locus of Orange County: the 58 between Mohave and Kramer Junction, the short freeway stub of the 138 that runs east from the 5, and the portion of the 94 down in inland San Diego thatís east of the 125.

Iím not sure whatís the closest of those three. But the runner-ups to those would be much further away; they probably would be outside Fresno.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: mrose on September 10, 2018, 02:21:44 AM
Much of E-470, but that's toll, so I guess that might not count. Otherwise, everything in Denver. Statewide, all of 76, all of 25 except the last 20-25 miles into Wyoming, and all of I-70 east of Vail.

I guess nothing around Colorado Springs except 25 on my through it. But there's nothing there I want to see anyway.


Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: skluth on September 10, 2018, 04:55:48 PM
I haven't lived long enough in Palm Springs (<2 months) to say anything in So Cal. So I'll instead refer to the >25 years in St Louis. Nearest was I-57 between Salem and Effingham. I'd taken I-57 as an alternative drive to Chicago (it's only 15 miles longer via I-57 and I-70 than via I-55, and much less busy). I'd taken it from Mt Vernon south to I-24. I'd even taken the bit south of Salem when I dated someone from there. I also never drove the I-72 section west of Springfield, IL.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: TheOneKEA on September 10, 2018, 06:27:14 PM
I think the nearest freeway I havenít driven on yet is either the portion of the US 15 Gettysburg bypass north of PA 97, or I-495 around Wilmington.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: The High Plains Traveler on September 10, 2018, 10:36:02 PM
I-80 between NE-71 and I-76. That's about 250 miles from me, and I haven't driven it because I-76 provides a way more direct route from Denver to Nebraska and points east. If I ever drive this stretch, I will have clinched I-80 between San Francisco and central Pennsylvania. Likewise, there are segments of I-40 between Santa Rosa NM and Texas that I drove when it was U.S. 66, but not since the Interstate was built.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Thing 342 on September 10, 2018, 11:26:21 PM
From where I'm sitting it's most likely I-79 between I-77 and US-19. From Newport News, it's likely I-66 inside the beltway (the only section of interstate I'm missing in the state). That, the US-360 Keysville Bypass, the US-23 Big Stone Gap and Norton Bypasses, and VA-267 are pretty much the only sections of freeway in VA that I have not driven (aside from a few stubs I'm probably blanking on)
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: DJ Particle on September 11, 2018, 06:48:58 AM
I think for me, it's the US-8 freeway stub off I-35 north of the Twin Cities. Otherwise, I do believe I've hit every bit of freeway in the Cities.  This includes:

Ayd Mill Rd when it was still a pseudo-freeway
MN-121 and CSAH-122 when they were still freeways
The short freeway stub of MN-65 in Blaine
All three freeway sections of MN-51 (St. Paul, Roseville, near I-694/US-10)
The short bit of Warner Rd that's freeway
The brand new St. Croix Crossing
Both Twin Cities-area freeway sections of MN-13
The MN-55 Hiawatha freeway stub in Downtown Mpls
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: froggie on September 11, 2018, 10:36:13 AM
Quote from: DJ Particle
All three freeway sections of MN-51 (St. Paul, Roseville, near I-694/US-10)

Last one's not a freeway...there are RIRO's on both sides between County Road E and 694.

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Both Twin Cities-area freeway sections of MN-13

One of these isn't MN 13 but instead is unsigned MN 801.

Now here's a question...have you hit the freeway stub of now-MN 62 coming off 494 in Inver Grove Heights since it was changed from MN 110?
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: DJ Particle on September 12, 2018, 01:38:24 AM
Last one's not a freeway...there are RIRO's on both sides between County Road E and 694.

Forgot about that  O.o

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One of these isn't MN 13 but instead is unsigned MN 801.

I meant the section containing MN-13 Exits 94/95A/95B (CSAH-5/I-35W)...  and the section containing the exit to MN-77 (don't know the number offhand)  *heh*

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Now here's a question...have you hit the freeway stub of now-MN 62 coming off 494 in Inver Grove Heights since it was changed from MN 110?

Yup!  :)  I think that would make MN-3 Exit 122?  :-D
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Mark68 on September 13, 2018, 03:56:21 PM
I've recently (within the last 2+ months) clinched two of the three closest to me (E-470 from Pena Blvd north to I-25 and the Powers Blvd freeway segment in Colorado Springs), so now I have the NW Pkwy between I-25 and US 36, and then?

I guess the next closest would be I-76 northeast of Fort Morgan to I-80 (then maybe a return on I-80 to Cheyenne...but I'd have to go all the way to Laramie to clinch that whole non-driven segment).
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: froggie on September 13, 2018, 05:58:46 PM
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and the section containing the exit to MN-77 (don't know the number offhand)  *heh*

That's not a freeway.  It just happens to be a cloverleaf in the middle of an at-grade arterial...
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: SD Mapman on September 14, 2018, 05:23:05 PM
Mine is I-25 south of Buffalo (~170 miles away); it always makes more sense to use WY 387 if I want to go to Casper.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: frankenroad on September 15, 2018, 04:48:12 PM
The section of US-35 in Dayton from Main St to I-675.

It's about 50 miles from home.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: RobbieL2415 on September 15, 2018, 09:58:31 PM
CT 349, Clarence B. Sharpe Highway.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: ftballfan on September 17, 2018, 10:10:01 PM
I've never driven I-94 between I-196 and Mattawan, which is the only section of I-94 I haven't been on between the Six Flags Great America exit north of Chicago and Hall Rd (M-59) in Macomb County
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: myosh_tino on September 18, 2018, 03:03:57 AM
For me it's I-5 between the I-580 junction near Tracy to CA-33 interchange in Santa Nella.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: dvferyance on September 18, 2018, 02:05:24 PM
US-51 north of Wausau but I plan to clinch that in October.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: cabiness42 on October 08, 2018, 03:50:37 PM
There is a very small section of I-355 between the NB355->EB88 and the WB88->NB355 ramps that I haven't covered yet.  46 miles from home.


Finally got this bit today.  Now it's I-74 west of I-55, 122 miles away.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Cemajr on December 19, 2018, 06:35:44 PM
Only freeway Iíve yet to drive in NC is the section of I-26 west of Asheville to the TN border.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Tom958 on December 19, 2018, 08:00:12 PM
The Birmingham end of I-22. I'm near Atlanta.

No, wait: I've also never driven the I-20 to I-59 north stretch of I-459. That's 169 miles from my house.

EDIT: Nope, it's I-26 near Spartanburg, a mere 150 miles away.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Joe The Dragon on December 19, 2018, 08:11:46 PM
I don't if this really counts EOE from I-290 to US-20 (AS TOLL ROAD*)
*really pulling as I was on it while the tolling points where up but not changing. and I did drive on the I-290 to IL-83 part.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Roadgeekteen on December 22, 2018, 03:10:25 PM
MA 213, I think.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: DJ Particle on January 07, 2019, 04:37:25 AM
I think for me, it's the US-8 freeway stub off I-35 north of the Twin Cities.

I have now driven this mini-freeway.

I guess that makes US-14 in Albert Lea the closest I haven't driven on yet.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: adventurernumber1 on January 07, 2019, 06:57:14 PM
I think that the nearest freeway segment I have never been on would definitely have to be Tennessee Highway 111 from US 27 to the end of that freeway segment in Dunlap.

The interesting thing, though, is that despite myself never having been on it in real life, I still have road videos from part of this stretch of road (and other parts of TN 111 as well heading north to Cookeville), thanks to my other family members, from when some of them once went on a trip up to Cookeville, Tennessee.

I have, however, been on all the US 27 freeway north of Chattanooga (off of which TN SR 111 splits off, and takes the limited-access specification with it), en route to the Dayton, Tennessee area (so we continued on US 27 North instead of taking the TN 111 freeway).


Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 07, 2019, 07:38:16 PM
My submission on the first page has now become CA 262. 
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: MikieTimT on January 07, 2019, 11:13:54 PM
I-30 anywhere southwest of US-70.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: roadman65 on January 07, 2019, 11:18:44 PM
FL 429 above US 441, as I was a passenger in someone else car after it opened last year.  Have not yet driven it myself, but near me.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: dlsterner on January 07, 2019, 11:43:14 PM
(From central Maryland) I-95 in Pennsylvania north of I-476 (near the Philly airport).
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: webny99 on January 08, 2019, 08:09:25 AM
FL 429 above US 441, as I was a passenger in someone else car after it opened last year.  Have not yet driven it myself, but near me.

"Driven" could, but does not have to, be taken literally. You could also include the nearest freeway you've never been on period.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Roadgeekteen on January 08, 2019, 08:49:35 AM
FL 429 above US 441, as I was a passenger in someone else car after it opened last year.  Have not yet driven it myself, but near me.

"Driven" could, but does not have to, be taken literally. You could also include the nearest freeway you've never been on period.
If driven is literal, I-95 for me.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: froggie on January 08, 2019, 06:40:05 PM
US-14 in Albert Lea

Might want to reevaluate that...😌
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: sprjus4 on January 08, 2019, 06:45:55 PM
Until about last year, I had driven on every Hampton Roads freeway except the VA-168 toll road. Finally took it, and realized it's just the same as the shunpiking route, only it's four lanes, nobody on it, and a $3 toll.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: SteveG1988 on January 09, 2019, 06:18:57 AM
NJ 133, never had any need to use that road.

Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: texaskdog on January 09, 2019, 07:40:17 AM
Since I drive Lyft/Uber and get all over Austin is covered.  Probably I-10 from Columbus to San Antonio.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: plain on January 09, 2019, 06:15:55 PM
Until about last year, I had driven on every Hampton Roads freeway except the VA-168 toll road. Finally took it, and realized it's just the same as the shunpiking route, only it's four lanes, nobody on it, and a $3 toll.

And it's going to continue to suck until Chesapeake decides to raise the speed limit. Until then it's not even worth the toll.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: sprjus4 on January 09, 2019, 06:53:48 PM
Until about last year, I had driven on every Hampton Roads freeway except the VA-168 toll road. Finally took it, and realized it's just the same as the shunpiking route, only it's four lanes, nobody on it, and a $3 toll.

And it's going to continue to suck until Chesapeake decides to raise the speed limit. Until then it's not even worth the toll.
Agreed, the current speed limit of 55 MPH on a rural freeway is absurdly slow. The more "developed" parts of the highway north of Exit 11 (Mt. Pleasant Rd) is more understandable, but even that could handle an increase. The entire highway should be posted at 65 MPH, minimum 60, the design speed.

Most people actually do about 55-60 MPH on a regular day, but if you get on the bypass on any weekend in the summer, you'll get ran off the road or tailgated if you're not doing at least 70 MPH. Mix local traffic with that, and there's been some pretty close accidents. That's when a higher speed is warranted to meet the 85th percentile, but I don't think above 65 is reasonable since the highway terminates near the border. If it was continuously a freeway to OBX or at least into North Carolina, I would say 70 MPH starting on the toll road.

The toll is worth it sometimes, especially because rush hour traffic on Battlefield Blvd can be backed up due to shunpikers, and if you're part of the discount program ($0.75 tolls) it's worth it if you can afford. During the summer months, most of the tourists flying down at 70+ MPH are already paying hundreds of dollars to stay in OBX, they have no problem paying $16 (round-trip) just to stay on the freeway and continue doing 70+. I've never driven on the at-grade NC-168 on a summer weekend, though I imagine speeds stay above at least 65 MPH, even though it's still posted at 55 MPH.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Ben114 on January 09, 2019, 07:43:35 PM
1) I've only once been on I-90 between MA 146 and I-495, 2) I-290 between I-90 and MA 146, with the exception of going north to exit 9 on 290, 3) I-95 between I-395 in CT and RI 4 and finally, 4) I-95 between I-295 and US 6 in RI.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: J N Winkler on January 09, 2019, 07:49:08 PM
I am based in Wichita, so the nearest is probably US 69 Pleasanton-Fort Scott.  (I actually have the construction plans for part of it, and drove it in 1999 when it was a two-lane single-carriageway freeway, but have not been on it since it was dualized.)  Close runners-up include K-10 (SLT), K-7 Bonner Springs, K-5 Fairfax, US 50 Lee's Summit, and Missouri SR 152.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Beltway on January 09, 2019, 08:35:15 PM
Agreed, the current speed limit of 55 MPH on a rural freeway is absurdly slow. The more "developed" parts of the highway north of Exit 11 (Mt. Pleasant Rd) is more understandable, but even that could handle an increase. The entire highway should be posted at 65 MPH, minimum 60, the design speed.

8-foot paved right shoulders, narrow clear roadsides.  Not built to Interstate standards.  Probably 60 mph limit max. 
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: dvferyance on January 09, 2019, 08:58:47 PM
US 151 between Sun Prairie and Waupun.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: sprjus4 on January 09, 2019, 09:02:27 PM
Agreed, the current speed limit of 55 MPH on a rural freeway is absurdly slow. The more "developed" parts of the highway north of Exit 11 (Mt. Pleasant Rd) is more understandable, but even that could handle an increase. The entire highway should be posted at 65 MPH, minimum 60, the design speed.

8-foot paved right shoulders, narrow clear roadsides.  Not built to Interstate standards.  Probably 60 mph limit max.
The shoulders on the Great Bridge Bypass are 8 foot, whereas on the southern extension and Oak Grove Connector it is 10 foot. The only part not built to interstate standards fully would be the median size on the southern extension (why 30 feet??). The road section is interstate standard. I've never noticed the roadsides being an issue, they seem to be fine as is. I can think of numerous examples of highways with a 65 or 70 MPH speed that have the same "issue".

You've also mentioned in the past that US-58 could theoretically have 70 MPH posted on their bypasses. It's important to note that those bypasses are built to less standards than VA-168 is and have narrow clear sides.

VA-168 could easily handle a 65 MPH speed limit. Even if the shoulder was smaller than it is, most freeways in North Carolina have 4 foot outer and inner shoulders and are posted at 65 and 70 MPH.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Beltway on January 09, 2019, 09:32:33 PM
8-foot paved right shoulders, narrow clear roadsides.  Not built to Interstate standards.  Probably 60 mph limit max.
The shoulders on the Great Bridge Bypass are 8 foot, whereas on the southern extension and Oak Grove Connector it is 10 foot. The only part not built to interstate standards fully would be the median size on the southern extension (why 30 feet??). The road section is interstate standard. I've never noticed the roadsides being an issue, they seem to be fine as is. I can think of numerous examples of highways with a 65 or 70 MPH speed that have the same "issue".

Take a close look Ö the roadsides south of the Great Bridge Bypass are narrow and abrupt.  Has a major effect on the whole cross-section.

30 feet is an odd median width, I have the same issue with the Powhite Parkway Extension, I was one of the 6 designers on the project and I complained about it but the engineers left it as is.  A 30-foot grass median has steep slopes, about 4:1 to establish drainage; it is too wide for a paved median as for 4 lanes the ideal would be 14 to 16 feet wide and with a concrete median barrier; it is too narrow to be an ideal grassed median as the steep slopes could flip a vehicle over.  Actually the Powhite Parkway Extension was to have a 60-foot median but after the toll feasibility study the whole cross section and R/W was narrowed to save some money.

Powhite Parkway is another highway that I would not recommend for Interstate designation.

You've also mentioned in the past that US-58 could theoretically have 70 MPH posted on their bypasses. It's important to note that those bypasses are built to less standards than VA-168 is and have narrow clear sides.

The bypasses at Suffolk, Franklin and Courtland.  Built to higher standards than VA-168.

I merely said that they could legally be considered for 70 mph, when another poster kept saying that NC I-87 could have 70 and he kept comparing that to -existing- limits on US-58, as if the speed limits on US-58 could never increase, when current law would allow higher.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: sprjus4 on January 09, 2019, 10:04:14 PM
Take a close look Ö the roadsides south of the Great Bridge Bypass are narrow and abrupt.  Has a major effect on the whole cross-section.
I commute on the bypass daily from Exit 8 northward, and have used the toll road before. I've never noticed an issue with the roadsides in regards to speed limits.

30 feet is an odd median width, I have the same issue with the Powhite Parkway Extension, I was one of the 6 designers on the project and I complained about it but the engineers left it as is.  A 30-foot grass median has steep slopes, about 4:1 to establish drainage; it is too wide for a paved median as for 4 lanes the ideal would be 14 to 16 feet wide and with a concrete median barrier; it is too narrow to be an ideal grassed median as the steep slopes could flip a vehicle over.  Actually the Powhite Parkway Extension was to have a 60-foot median but after the toll feasibility study the whole cross section and R/W was narrowed to save some money.
I'm pretty sure the VA-168 extension was supposed to have a consistent 42 foot median throughout the entire project, but was only built to 42 feet from Exit 10 to Exit 8. Just north of exit 8, the road abruptly changes median sizes, the northbound lanes do a weird shift to the right. The size would have ideally changed going around a bend rather than on a straight-away, but who knows.

I think I read somewhere they reduced it to 30 feet on the bottom section to lessen the environmental impact and reduce costs, similar to the Powhite. I have always thought the Powhite Extension's design was weird as well, 30 feet part of it, and a barrier section for the rest. At least a consistent 30 ft would've been more ideal, but as you mentioned 60 foot (or at minimum 40 ft) would've been the best.

The bypasses at Suffolk, Franklin and Courtland.  Built to higher standards than VA-168.
The Franklin, Suffolk, and Courtland bypasses have similar amount of narrow roadside as VA-168 does. Also, the Franklin Bypass has a couple of narrow curves which VA-168 does not.

I merely said that they could legally be considered for 70 mph, when another poster kept saying that NC I-87 could have 70 and he kept comparing that to -existing- limits on US-58, as if the speed limits on US-58 could never increase, when current law would allow higher.
That poster was me, but that's besides the point. I don't see them increasing the speeds on US-58 any time soon, though it would be nice if they would.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Beltway on January 09, 2019, 10:31:37 PM
Take a close look Ö the roadsides south of the Great Bridge Bypass are narrow and abrupt.  Has a major effect on the whole cross-section.
I commute on the bypass daily from Exit 8 northward, and have used the toll road before. I've never noticed an issue with the roadsides in regards to speed limits.

Seeing it intermittingly IMO helps it be more noticeable.  Maybe it could be higher than 60 mph but only maybe...

I'm pretty sure the VA-168 extension was supposed to have a consistent 42 foot median throughout the entire project, but was only built to 42 feet from Exit 10 to Exit 8. Just north of exit 8, the road abruptly changes median sizes, the northbound lanes do a weird shift to the right. The size would have ideally changed going around a bend rather than on a straight-away, but who knows.
I think I read somewhere they reduced it to 30 feet on the bottom section to lessen the environmental impact and reduce costs, similar to the Powhite. I have always thought the Powhite Extension's design was weird as well, 30 feet part of it, and a barrier section for the rest. At least a consistent 30 ft would've been more ideal, but as you mentioned 60 foot (or at minimum 40 ft) would've been the best.

The Powhite Extension section with the 10-foot median was originally designed much wider, IIRC it was 40 feet and near Jahnke Road the median widened out for 1/2 mile to almost 100 feet with Powhite Creek in the median.  Much nicer design if they had listened to me!

The bypasses at Suffolk, Franklin and Courtland.  Built to higher standards than VA-168.
The Franklin, Suffolk, and Courtland bypasses have similar amount of narrow roadside as VA-168 does. Also, the Franklin Bypass has a couple of narrow curves which VA-168 does not.

I would estimate in fill sections, 20 to 25 feet for Suffolk, Franklin and Courtland.  VA-168 toll, in some places only 10 feet and steep slope.  (Just checked Google aerials)

I merely said that they could legally be considered for 70 mph, when another poster kept saying that NC I-87 could have 70 and he kept comparing that to -existing- limits on US-58, as if the speed limits on US-58 could never increase, when current law would allow higher.
That poster was me, but that's besides the point. I don't see them increasing the speeds on US-58 any time soon, though it would be nice if they would.

My point was to not plan I-87 on a basis that US-58 limits would never increase, because they surely could.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: sprjus4 on January 09, 2019, 11:00:30 PM
Seeing it intermittingly IMO helps it be more noticeable.  Maybe it could be higher than 60 mph but only maybe...
A study could be conducted to see how safe it would be. A report done on the Expressway in the past mentioned the average speed on a section of the toll road was above 60 MPH, but apparently that didn't mean anything to them. They wanted to do one in the past but the city didn't want to go through the lengthy process of a study and then having to amend the city ordinance to allow speed limits faster than 55 MPH on city maintained roadways. They instead lowered the speed limit on Battlefield Blvd to 45 - 50 MPH which did about nothing.

The Powhite Extension section with the 10-foot median was originally designed much wider, IIRC it was 40 feet and near Jahnke Road the median widened out for 1/2 mile to almost 100 feet with Powhite Creek in the median.  Much nicer design if they had listened to me!
A lot nicer of a design definitely, though I will mention about a mile of the highway at the northern end of the extension has a median over 200 feet and no smaller than 40 feet. Then it shrinks down to 10 feet south of there. At least it is done on a curve and not abrupt. Part of the beauty of a freeway is having a wide grassy median, I've never cared for smaller medians or even barrier sections, especially on 4-lane highways. I like VA-168's design north of Exit 8, but south of there I've always felt like it's way too small. That highway could've been designed better. Also, the reason they decided the bottom two miles would only be an at-grade expressway instead of extending the freeway design all the way to NC beats me. At minimum wider curves could've been constructed instead of the tight ones (yet still 55?) that are there today. Again, poor designing IMHO.

Was the Powhite Pkwy ever considered for 65 MPH? I would think because of its location, VDOT building it, etc. it would've been designed with that spec. Instead I believe it's only 60 MPH.

I would estimate in fill sections, 20 to 25 feet for Suffolk, Franklin and Courtland.  VA-168 toll, in some places only 10 feet and steep slope.  (Just checked Google aerials)
I really wouldn't be able to say, I've never really noticed it.

My point was to not plan I-87 on a basis that US-58 limits would never increase, because they surely could.
I wouldn't really say I-87 is officially being planned against US-58, it was originally a need for the project "to divert traffic off of I-95" which implies US-58 as well, but they removed that "need". I think now the focus is providing a freeway corridor to the northeastern section of NC which currently is not served by an interstate besides a sliver of I-95 near Roanoke Rapids. Not a direct routing to Hampton Roads though could open up new business along its path, including port related facilities and distribution centers. The real driver of it though is for a blue shield to come to northeastern NC and the fact Hampton Roads businesses & port officials believe it truly is a "new, unobstructed direct routing to I-95 South". Either way, NCDOT will eventually get it funded.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Beltway on January 09, 2019, 11:59:31 PM
The Powhite Extension section with the 10-foot median was originally designed much wider, IIRC it was 40 feet and near Jahnke Road the median widened out for 1/2 mile to almost 100 feet with Powhite Creek in the median.  Much nicer design if they had listened to me!
A lot nicer of a design definitely, though I will mention about a mile of the highway at the northern end of the extension has a median over 200 feet and no smaller than 40 feet. Then it shrinks down to 10 feet south of there. At least it is done on a curve and not abrupt. Part of the beauty of a freeway is having a wide grassy median, I've never cared for smaller medians or even barrier sections, especially on 4-lane highways.

The very wide median is mostly on the original RMA Powhite Parkway, and then it transitions to the Extension section.  The original RMA Powhite Parkway ended at VA-150 with a trumpet interchange.  The very wide median was built so that a scenic overlook could be built there (I have copies of the planning design documents), with left hand ramps accessing it.  It never was built, and part of the median was used for the open road tolling project a few years ago.

The real driver of it though is for a blue shield to come to northeastern NC and the fact Hampton Roads businesses & port officials believe it truly is a "new, unobstructed direct routing to I-95 South".

If they think that they are deceived.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: djsekani on January 10, 2019, 12:24:09 PM
I-5 between Orange County (CA) and San Diego, the part that runs by Camp Pendleton. I live in the Inland Empire, so I've just never had an excuse to take that particular route to go anywhere.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: sprjus4 on January 10, 2019, 04:46:37 PM
The very wide median is mostly on the original RMA Powhite Parkway, and then it transitions to the Extension section.  The original RMA Powhite Parkway ended at VA-150 with a trumpet interchange.  The very wide median was built so that a scenic overlook could be built there (I have copies of the planning design documents), with left hand ramps accessing it.  It never was built, and part of the median was used for the open road tolling project a few years ago.
A scenic overlook? I wouldn't expect that on an urban / suburban highway, but I suppose I could see it.

If they think that they are deceived.
Somewhat agree, due the mileage difference. The "new, unobstructed direct routing to I-95 South" is more true in sense of a passenger vehicle however. People will drive "more distance" if it's the same time and allows them to go faster. The route will likely attract new traffic, and over time new businesses, etc.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Beltway on January 10, 2019, 06:40:03 PM
The very wide median is mostly on the original RMA Powhite Parkway, and then it transitions to the Extension section.  The original RMA Powhite Parkway ended at VA-150 with a trumpet interchange.  The very wide median was built so that a scenic overlook could be built there (I have copies of the planning design documents), with left hand ramps accessing it.  It never was built, and part of the median was used for the open road tolling project a few years ago.
A scenic overlook? I wouldn't expect that on an urban / suburban highway, but I suppose I could see it.

The original highway was designed as a parkway with grass shoulders and west of Forest Hill Avenue it only had 4 lanes.  Always carried full mix of vehicle types with cars, buses and trucks.

Somewhat agree, due the mileage difference. The "new, unobstructed direct routing to I-95 South" is more true in sense of a passenger vehicle however. People will drive "more distance" if it's the same time and allows them to go faster. The route will likely attract new traffic, and over time new businesses, etc.

As I have pointed out before the 20 to 25 miles more distance won't be overcome by higher speed limits, and they might not be much higher if the limits on US-58 are increased. 

Basically the NC I-87 proposal is a "super arterial", a rural arterial connecting some small towns, having modest traffic volumes that can be handled by a rural arterial design, being converted to a freeway.  I don't think that a "super arterial" is a wise design.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: sprjus4 on January 10, 2019, 07:04:21 PM
The original highway was designed as a parkway with grass shoulders and west of Forest Hill Avenue it only had 4 lanes.  Always carried full mix of vehicle types with cars, buses and trucks.
Was it actually built that way or proposed that way initially?

As I have pointed out before the 20 to 25 miles more distance won't be overcome by higher speed limits, and they might not be much higher if the limits on US-58 are increased.
Somewhat comparable to my drive from Roanoke to Hampton Roads a couple weeks ago. There's two options - I-81 to I-64 or U.S. 460. They both take the same time (actually 460 was a couple minutes faster), but U.S. 460 is about 40 miles less. The option that Google recommended to me and the most preferable was the interstate route, despite U.S. 460 taking less mileage, 2 mins faster, and being 60 MPH mostly. I chose to take I-81 to I-64 on my drive.

I would imagine the average driver would take I-81 to I-64 over U.S. 460 simply because it's mainly a 70 MPH freeway with no obstructions. The mileage isn't a huge factor.

Basically the NC I-87 proposal is a "super arterial", a rural arterial connecting some small towns, having modest traffic volumes that can be handled by a rural arterial design, being converted to a freeway.  I don't think that a "super arterial" is a wise design.
Welcome to North Carolina, where a freeway is the preferable option over an arterial. They are doing the same method on other highways in the state currently, upgrading 4-lane arterials into interstate-standard freeways or straight up signed interstates (I-795, I-42, I-87, etc.)

They simply run on a different system then Virginia does - they prefer freeway routings over arterial even when they are adequate. They have more funding, and therefore have room to play. Because of this, they have a much larger continuous freeway system then Virginia does. It's not a bad thing Virginia doesn't, it's just how it is.

As for the Virginia connection to I-64, Chesapeake has heavy interest in it, and could probably do upgrades over time themselves because of the existing 17 being essentially a freeway with a few intersections here and there.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Beltway on January 10, 2019, 07:28:42 PM
The original highway was designed as a parkway with grass shoulders and west of Forest Hill Avenue it only had 4 lanes.  Always carried full mix of vehicle types with cars, buses and trucks.
Was it actually built that way or proposed that way initially?

Built that way, later widened.

As I have pointed out before the 20 to 25 miles more distance won't be overcome by higher speed limits, and they might not be much higher if the limits on US-58 are increased.
Somewhat comparable to my drive from Roanoke to Hampton Roads a couple weeks ago. There's two options - I-81 to I-64 or U.S. 460. They both take the same time (actually 460 was a couple minutes faster), but U.S. 460 is about 30 miles less. The option that Google recommended to me and the most preferable was the interstate route, despite U.S. 460 taking less mileage, 2 mins faster, and being 60 MPH mostly. I chose to take I-81 to I-64 on my drive.
I would imagine the average driver would take I-81 to I-64 over U.S. 460 simply because it's mainly a 70 MPH freeway with no obstructions. The mileage isn't a huge factor.

It's pretty much a wash, for Norfolk to Christiansburg, 4:55 using US-460 and 4:42 using I-64 and I-81, per Google Maps.

Every corridor is different.  I might favor US-460 since it means avoiding HRBT, avoiding I-64 between HRBT and Richmond, and most of I-81.

I-64 and I-81 are original Interstate highways, so your point is moot.  That route has been completed since 1976, and the completion of the US-460 widenings was much later.

Basically the NC I-87 proposal is a "super arterial", a rural arterial connecting some small towns, having modest traffic volumes that can be handled by a rural arterial design, being converted to a freeway.  I don't think that a "super arterial" is a wise design.
Welcome to North Carolina, where a freeway is the preferable option over an arterial. They are doing the same method on other highways in the state currently, upgrading 4-lane arterials into interstate-standard freeways or straight up signed interstates (I-795, I-42, I-87, etc.)

I am not familiar with the US-70 corridor but from what I have read it definitely has the volumes for a freeway design.

They simply run on a different system then Virginia does - they prefer freeway routings over arterial even when they are adequate.

That is wasteful.  Look, I really don't care what N.C. does with its highways for the most part, but they do share a border and over 20 highway crossings, and in the case of the US-17 crossing their highway policies are directly impacting Virginia, so I do care in that case, and they are being annoying.

They have more funding, and therefore have room to play. Because of this, they have a much larger continuous freeway system then Virginia does. It's not a bad thing Virginia doesn't, it's just how it is.

And Virginia's non-Interstate freeway mileage and 4-lane limited access bypass mileage, plus its Interstate mileage, is about equal to that of N.C.  Plus N.C. has nothing remotely on the cost scale of the bridge-tunnels in Virginia, short but super expensive to build.

As for the Virginia connection to I-64, Chesapeake has heavy interest in it, and could probably do upgrades over time themselves because of the existing 17 being almost freeway with a few intersections here and there.

I doubt that that one city would want to spend the money (maybe 1/2 billion) for something that really is not needed.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: sprjus4 on January 10, 2019, 07:59:35 PM
Built that way, later widened.
Huh, I always thought it was a full freeway-standard roadway from the beginning. Interesting.

It's pretty much a wash, for Norfolk to Christiansburg, 4:55 using US-460 and 4:42 using I-64 and I-81, per Google Maps.
From Christiansburg to Norfolk, yes, but I mentioned from Roanoke. You're a little more in and close to US-460, little bit from I-81, and the times are the same.

I-64 and I-81 are original Interstate highways, so your point is moot.  That route has been completed since 1976, and the completion of the US-460 widenings was much later.
It doesn't matter when the highways were built or widened, I'm talking from a standpoint of going on a road trip on January 10, 2019, not 1976. By this point, all the highways are there, and is comparable.

I am not familiar with the US-70 corridor but from what I have read it definitely has the volumes for a freeway design.
Average AADT of 25,000 with 5-10% large trucks from Raleigh to New Bern. From your talking points about US-58 (similar numbers), you could build interchanges at the few traffic signals and have an adequate corridor. Different story south of New Bern to Morehead City, over 30,000 AADT and warrants freeway due to numerous signals and businesses on the roadside.

That is wasteful.  Look, I really don't care what N.C. does with its highways for the most part, but they do share a border and over 20 highway crossings, and in the case of the US-17 crossing their highway policies are directly impacting Virginia, so I do care in that case, and they are being annoying.
Creating a freeway corridor from Virginia to Elizabeth City has been in the talks for years, and has never posed an issue until they slapped the I-87 number on it. If they want to build a freeway to the Virginia line and flow traffic onto an at-grade US-17, then they can do that. I don't understand how it "impacts Virginia". Local leaders and Chesapeake have discussed extending that idea into the area to connect with I-64, but it doesn't mean NCDOT is being annoying. We're the ones wanting an extension to their freeway.

Complaining about how it's useless to upgrade US-17 in North Carolina seems to be caring about what they do w/ their highways - at that point it's not impacting Virginia what happens down in Windsor or Edenton, per se.

And Virginia's non-Interstate freeway mileage and 4-lane limited access bypass mileage, plus its Interstate mileage, is about equal to that of N.C.
Notice I said continuous meaning it's one long freeway (20+ miles) that flows into the interstate system. Virginia has a lot of non-interstate mileage and limited-access bypasses, but a lot do not connect in the way of more freeway and into the interstate system but instead at-grade arterial routes.

I doubt that that one city would want to spend the money (maybe 1/2 billion) for something that really is not needed.
At what point would constructing 5 interchanges and about a miles of frontage road on an already limited-access roadway cost $500 million? $50-70 million max, the bulk of the work is already now done (Dominion Blvd & Veterans Bridge).

I also mentioned over time, meaning constructing one interchange at the most needed location (Scenic Pkwy IMHO, an existing traffic signal), then over the course of 10-15 years funding other interchanges.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Beltway on January 10, 2019, 09:46:36 PM
Built that way, later widened.
Huh, I always thought it was a full freeway-standard roadway from the beginning. Interesting.

The RMA Powhite Parkway was a full freeway-standard roadway from the beginning, it just didn't have paved shoulders.

I am not familiar with the US-70 corridor but from what I have read it definitely has the volumes for a freeway design.
Average AADT of 25,000 with 5-10% large trucks from Raleigh to New Bern. From your talking points about US-58 (similar numbers), you could build interchanges at the few traffic signals and have an adequate corridor. Different story south of New Bern to Morehead City, over 30,000 AADT and warrants freeway due to numerous signals and businesses on the roadside.

13,000 to 15,000 on US-58 between Emporia and Courtland.  Higher figures east of there but much of the mileage is already freeway, but 6-lane expressway between Suffolk Bypass and I-64/I-664.

I don't understand how it "impacts Virginia".

N.C. wants an Interstate highway.  Their economic boosters are publishing bogus claims about connecting Norfolk with Raleigh, as I have refuted many times here.  When they want Virginia to participate and apply pressure to them that does indeed impact Virginia.

And Virginia's non-Interstate freeway mileage and 4-lane limited access bypass mileage, plus its Interstate mileage, is about equal to that of N.C.
Notice I said continuous meaning it's one long freeway (20+ miles) that flows into the interstate system. Virginia has a lot of non-interstate mileage and limited-access bypasses, but a lot do not connect in the way of more freeway and into the interstate system but instead at-grade arterial routes.

A quick count shows almost 200 miles of Virginia non-Interstate freeway mileage that does connect to the Interstate system.  Just because most limited-access bypasses do not connect to the Interstate system, doesn't change the point that mile by mile they are close to the cost and complexity of Interstate mileage, and Virginia has almost 400 miles of them in total.

What about HRBT, MMMBT, CBBT, ERT, I-77 tunnels, where is the equivalent in N.C.?  MMMBT when it was built was equal to the cost of about 100 miles of rural Interstate, HRBT Expansion will be about 120 miles, second Midtown Tunnel about 35 miles, second CBBT tunnel about 25 miles.  For that matter there are very few major river bridges on N.C. freeways even of the low-level mile-long type.  Hampton Roads tunnels accommodate ocean-going ships up to the size of Nimitz-class aircraft carriers.

Major transportation barriers are usually very expensive to cross, and if you don't build a crossing then you have a major hole in the system, and if you don't expand them when needed you have a major bottleneck.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: sprjus4 on January 10, 2019, 10:12:19 PM
13,000 to 15,000 on US-58 between Emporia and Courtland.  Higher figures east of there but much of the mileage is already freeway, but 6-lane expressway between Suffolk Bypass and I-64/I-664.
Between Suffolk and Courtland, figures are over 20,000 AADT, and out of that 30 mile stretch, only 10 miles are freeway, only 1/3 of it.

N.C. wants an Interstate highway.  Their economic boosters are publishing bogus claims about connecting Norfolk with Raleigh, as I have refuted many times here.  When they want Virginia to participate and apply pressure to them that does indeed impact Virginia.
And is there an issue with creating a freeway into North Carolina? Hampton Roads has never had interstate access to the south (unlike where you are in Richmond who has direct interstate access in all directions) and when one opportunity to create such connection (even if slightly longer), it shouldn't be shoved off the table simply because of that regard. The cost to upgrade US-17 is a small cost to pay for a link in the interstate system in Virginia. There's also other avenues for future growth to the south and into NC because of such interstate designation, but I should stop focusing on that cause it means nothing apparently. I'm just trying to say, I don't think it's worth trying to fight over something that is not going to get changed, and if you do want a change, then stating everything negative about I-87 over the forum whenever it's brought up isn't the best way to go about it.

I ask - is there anything you think is good about I-87, or any positives to it?

What about HRBT, MMMBT, CBBT, ERT, I-77 tunnels, where is the equivalent in N.C.?
The CBBT and ERT were toll fianced, so I'm not even going to consider those. As for the I-77 tunnels, I-40 has tunnels in the western part of North Carolina, and while NC does not have any major water crossings that warrant costs like the HRBT and MMMBT has, they have spent over $6 billion across the state on creating toll-free urban loops around metro areas (Charlotte, Greensboro, Raleigh, Fayetteville, Winston-Salem, Wilmington) over the past 20 years, and have created over 200+ miles of new freeway because so, and are continuing to expand it.

They've also built a significant portion of I-26 through the mountains that opened new-location in the early 2000s, at least $1 billion IIRC.

Major transportation barriers are usually very expensive to cross, and if you don't build a crossing then you have a major hole in the system, and if you don't expand them when needed you have a major bottleneck.
The HRBT and MMBT have been bottlenecks for many decades, they are now just getting around to expanding one of them.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Beltway on January 10, 2019, 10:29:40 PM
13,000 to 15,000 on US-58 between Emporia and Courtland.  Higher figures east of there but much of the mileage is already freeway, but 6-lane expressway between Suffolk Bypass and I-64/I-664.
Between Suffolk and Courtland, figures are over 20,000 AADT, and out of that 30 mile stretch, only 10 miles are freeway, only 1/3 of it.

The 4 bypasses total 26 miles of freeway.

I'm just trying to say, I don't think it's worth trying to fight over something that is not going to get changed, and if you do want a change, then stating everything negative about I-87 over the forum whenever it's brought up isn't the best way to go about it.

So it's "my way or the highway".  Just like the engineers who built the Cross-Bronx Expressway.

The CBBT and ERT were toll fianced, so I'm not even going to consider those. As for the I-77 tunnels, I-40 has tunnels in the western part of North Carolina, and while NC does not have any major water crossings that warrant costs like the HRBT and MMMBT has, they have spent over $6 billion across the state on creating urban loops around metro areas (Charlotte, Greensboro, Raleigh, Fayetteville, Winston-Salem, Wilmington) over the past 20 years, and have created over 200+ miles of new freeway because so, and are continuing to expand it.

Because they waited so long before building any supplementary Interstate highways.  None in either the 1956 or 1968 Interstate system.

Virginia has 10 supplementary Interstate routes and 7 were in the original Interstate system, and 2 added in the 1968 system.

They've also built a significant portion of I-26 through the mountains that opened new-location in the early 2000s, at least $1 billion IIRC.

No way.  I-26 was about $230 million.

Major transportation barriers are usually very expensive to cross, and if you don't build a crossing then you have a major hole in the system, and if you don't expand them when needed you have a major bottleneck.
The HRBT and MMBT have been bottlenecks for many decades, they are now just getting around to expanding one of them.

I wouldn't call the MMMBT a bottleneck yet.  The HRBT will cost $3.5 billion to expand.

It is a shame that some people here can't do what I did, and look across Hampton Roads, and wonder how they will ever build 8 Interstate lanes and 4 arterial lanes across 4 miles of deep water (as in deep enough and wide enough to accommodate a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier or a fleet of them for that matter).

The Capital Beltway was several years old the first time I drove on it.  I suppose it is hard to conceive of what it was like before it existed when you never saw the area back then.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: DJ Particle on January 11, 2019, 02:39:12 AM
US-14 in Albert Lea

Might want to reevaluate that...😌

Yeah, I meant Rochester...  DOH!   :-P
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: sprjus4 on January 11, 2019, 05:17:51 PM
The 4 bypasses total 26 miles of freeway.
Between the US 13/58/460 Business exit east of Suffolk and the US 58 Business exit west of Courtland, it's 38 miles. 20 miles of that is freeway (Courtland, Franklin, and Suffolk), and 18 miles is arterial. Another thing to note is one of most congested segments is on an arterial section, not freeway.

So it's "my way or the highway".
I'm not necessarily saying that, but I'm just saying complaining on here isn't going to help the "issue".

Because they waited so long before building any supplementary Interstate highways.  None in either the 1956 or 1968 Interstate system.
Raleigh has always had I-440 (was a state route originally, but was designated in the 80s), Charlotte had I-277, Asheville had I-240 (again, a state route initially, designated later on), and Winston-Salem has always had I-40 Business (originally I-40 until 1991). They started in the 1990s constructing the Charlotte Outer Loop and Raleigh Outer Loop, and early 2000s with the Wilmington Loop, Greensboro Loop, and Fayetteville Loop. Still under construction is the Greensboro Loop and Raleigh Outer Loop (this doesn't count though because it's toll financed), and they recently starting construction on the Winston-Salem Loop.

No way.  I-26 was about $230 million.
Looks like I over estimated that. Nowadays $1 billion for sure, but that's a different topic.

I wouldn't call the MMMBT a bottleneck yet.  The HRBT will cost $3.5 billion to expand.
The MMMBT is a significant bottleneck, not as bad as the HRBT, but it sure does have its issues. Daily backups of up to 3 miles each direction, etc., 4 lanes of traffic carrying 70,000 AADT, etc.

It is a shame that some people here can't do what I did, and look across Hampton Roads, and wonder how they will ever build 8 Interstate lanes and 4 arterial lanes across 4 miles of deep water (as in deep enough and wide enough to accommodate a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier or a fleet of them for that matter).
I wasn't around to see any of it built sadly. Now the question is how will they ever build 8 more interstate lanes across 4 miles of deep water.

I think the most impressive construction that tops all of it was the CBBT. That's 17 miles of open water.

The Capital Beltway was several years old the first time I drove on it.  I suppose it is hard to conceive of what it was like before it existed when you never saw the area back then.
The only new highways I've seen open here is Dominion Blvd, MLK Extension, and I-564 Intermodal Connector. Been here for about 10 years. I was hoping to see the opening of US-460, Southeastern Parkway, and Pleasant Grove Parkway by this time back then, but we see how those went.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Beltway on January 12, 2019, 04:33:35 PM
The 4 bypasses total 26 miles of freeway.
Between the US 13/58/460 Business exit east of Suffolk and the US 58 Business exit west of Courtland, it's 38 miles. 20 miles of that is freeway (Courtland, Franklin, and Suffolk), and 18 miles is arterial. Another thing to note is one of most congested segments is on an arterial section, not freeway.

Courtland -- 4 miles
Franklin --  10 miles
Holland --    1.5 mile
Suffolk --   10 miles

7 miles of 6-lane expressway between Suffolk Bypass and I-64/I-264/I-664.

The congested arterial section will soon be widened to 6 lanes and with intersection improvememts.

So it's "my way or the highway".
I'm not necessarily saying that, but I'm just saying complaining on here isn't going to help the "issue".

This is a discussion group, where discussions take place! 

People from the highway professional and political community may well be reading these posts.

Because they waited so long before building any supplementary Interstate highways.  None in either the 1956 or 1968 Interstate system.
Raleigh has always had I-440 (was a state route originally, but was designated in the 80s), Charlotte had I-277, Asheville had I-240 (again, a state route initially, designated later on),

Still none of those built to Interstate standards originally.   The Beaucatcher Cut section wasn't completed until 1982.

and Winston-Salem has always had I-40 Business (originally I-40 until 1991).

Built as a mainline Interstate, not a supplementary Interstate highway. 

Raleigh, the state capital, didn't even have I-40 in the original 1956 Interstate system, or any Interstate highway, the I-40 extension was authorized in 1968.

All I am saying is that it would have really helped the development history of the highway program if N.C. had gotten 6 to 8 supplementary Interstate highways authorized in the 1956 system, and maybe 2 more in 1968.

They started in the 1990s constructing the Charlotte Outer Loop and Raleigh Outer Loop, and early 2000s with the Wilmington Loop, Greensboro Loop, and Fayetteville Loop. Still under construction is the Greensboro Loop and Raleigh Outer Loop (this doesn't count though because it's toll financed), and they recently starting construction on the Winston-Salem Loop.

Of course toll financing counts!  It is all part of the mix of highway funding.  N.C. may get its third major tollroad, plus a major tolled bridge.

Still this was way short of the curve of nearly all other states, and they are a lot more expensive to build in the eras that they were built.

It is a shame that some people here can't do what I did, and look across Hampton Roads, and wonder how they will ever build 8 Interstate lanes and 4 arterial lanes across 4 miles of deep water (as in deep enough and wide enough to accommodate a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier or a fleet of them for that matter).
I wasn't around to see any of it built sadly. Now the question is how will they ever build 8 more interstate lanes across 4 miles of deep water.

I've said before that Interstate funding built I-664 and the parallel HRBT, and that hasn't been available in any major quantity for these projects since about 2000, and that the massive federal military presence in the region should justify at least 50% federal funding over and above normal FHWA funding for those crossing projects.

As it is HRBT will get 4 more lanes with the project starting this year.

I think the most impressive construction that tops all of it was the CBBT. That's 17 miles of open water.

HRBT was the model for CBBT, the HRBT was the first bridge-tunnel in the world of the type that has a manmade portal island at each end of the underwater tunnel.   CBBT was amazing, but the concept had already been demonstrated by the 4-mile-long HRBT in estuarial waters of similar depth.

Did you know that the James River Bridge (US-17) at 4.5 miles, when opened in 1928, was the longest open water bridge crossing in the world?

The Capital Beltway was several years old the first time I drove on it.  I suppose it is hard to conceive of what it was like before it existed when you never saw the area back then.
The only new highways I've seen open here is Dominion Blvd, MLK Extension, and I-564 Intermodal Connector. Been here for about 10 years. I was hoping to see the opening of US-460, Southeastern Parkway, and Pleasant Grove Parkway by this time back then, but we see how those went.

US-460 was killed by The Punk, and the Southeastern Parkway has never yet been close to even having a completed NEPA EIS/location process, let alone construction, and the parkway truly does have questionably high environmental impacts.

Regions go thru major highway development cycles, some of building new freeways, some of mostly widening freeways.  Either way involves major capacity expansion.  The last 10 years has mostly been in the latter, plus expanding crossings across the Elizabeth River ($2.1 billion). 

I-64 widening in Chesapeake, I-64 widening Newport News to Williamsburg, the new parallel Midtown Tunnel, major rehabs to the 3 older Elizabeth River tunnels, the new Jordan Bridge, the new Gilmerton Bridge, the new Dominion Blvd. bridge, the expanded I-64 bridge over Elizabeth River under construction, the new parallel Thimble Shoal Tunnel under construction, and soon the HRBT expansion to 8 lanes.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: froggie on January 12, 2019, 04:42:04 PM
Quote from: Beltway
and the Southeastern Parkway has never yet been close to even having a completed NEPA EIS/location process,

Have to disagree (http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/hamptonroads/resources/sepg%20feis%20december%202008.pdf) there.  A Final EIS was completed and signed by VDOT and FHWA in 2008.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Beltway on January 12, 2019, 04:53:38 PM
Quote from: Beltway
and the Southeastern Parkway has never yet been close to even having a completed NEPA EIS/location process,
Have to disagree (http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/hamptonroads/resources/sepg%20feis%20december%202008.pdf) there.  A Final EIS was completed and signed by VDOT and FHWA in 2008.

I stand corrected.  It cites 243 acres of wetlands impacts (i.e. destruction) in 22 miles for the preferred alternate.  Given how built up Virginia Beach is, how are they going to compensate for that?

As a comparison, the legitimate FEIS for the US-460 Freeway was 128 acres in 55 miles, in a mostly rural area where it would have been a lot easier to compensate for those losses.

Given that both FEIS were completed in 2008, what did The Punk do about the Southeastern Parkway?
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: froggie on January 12, 2019, 05:03:30 PM
Southeastern Parkway was largely a Virginia Beach-led effort.  The city is still interested AFAIK but ACoE questions about the wetland impacts, plus the lack of $1B (at the time...probably higher now) to pay for it have been stumbling blocks.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Evan_Th on January 12, 2019, 05:04:32 PM
I live around Seattle.  If you take "driving" to include "riding while someone else drives," the closest stretch of freeway I haven't been on would probably be SR 519, 99, and 599 in southern Seattle.

If you require me to have been personally behind the wheel, there're a whole lot more places, including the Alaskan Way Viaduct that I just missed my last chance to drive before it comes down.  I'm planning to go walk on it at the celebration next month, though.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Beltway on January 12, 2019, 05:12:43 PM
Southeastern Parkway was largely a Virginia Beach-led effort.  The city is still interested AFAIK but ACoE questions about the wetland impacts, plus the lack of $1B (at the time...probably higher now) to pay for it have been stumbling blocks.

Tolling would be problematic given the toll-free I-264 in the same broad corridor.

Always has faced high hurdles, which was my overall point.

The city doesn't have much to say about it and doesn't mention the 2008 FEIS --
https://www.vbgov.com/government/departments/planning/areaplans/Pages/Southeastern-Parkway-Greenbelt-Location-Study.aspx
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: sprjus4 on January 12, 2019, 07:46:35 PM
Courtland -- 4 miles
Franklin --  10 miles
Holland --    1.5 mile
Suffolk --   10 miles
You proved my point - 26 miles.

The congested arterial section will soon be widened to 6 lanes and with intersection improvememts.
But it goes back to the original topic - does it warrant freeway or not with traffic volumes. This segment does warrant freeway construction, but currently no "good" place for it let alone costs. Remember 4 miles was going to cost $250+ million as of that 2008 study?

Because they waited so long before building any supplementary Interstate highways.  None in either the 1956 or 1968 Interstate system.
Raleigh has always had I-440 (was a state route originally, but was designated in the 80s), Charlotte had I-277, Asheville had I-240 (again, a state route initially, designated later on), [/quote]

Still none of those built to Interstate standards originally.   The Beaucatcher Cut section wasn't completed until 1982.

and Winston-Salem has always had I-40 Business (originally I-40 until 1991).

Built as a mainline Interstate, not a supplementary Interstate highway.[/quote]
Actually I-40 Business in Winston-Salem was originally built as US 421 and US 158 in the 50s before the interstate system. The Winston-Salem Bypass was opened in 1992 and received federal funding because the original I-40 segment was state-funded.

Raleigh, the state capital, didn't even have I-40 in the original 1956 Interstate system, or any Interstate highway, the I-40 extension was authorized in 1968.
Correct. The first segment of I-40 through the area opened in 1971 from Exit 279 to 289. The rest from I-85 to south of Raleigh didn't start opening until 1983 and opened in segments until 1989. The last segment to open to Wilmington was from Exit 328 (I-95) to Exit 369 in 1991.

N.C. may get its third major tollroad, plus a major tolled bridge.
What third toll road? Are you referring to the NC-540 extension back to I-87? I'd consider that an extension of the existing toll road, not a new route. Also, two bridges at least are proposed. The Mid-Currituck Bridge and the Cape Fear Skyway in Wilmington.

As it is HRBT will get 4 more lanes with the project starting this year.
This year? The way the concepts keep changing every few months (let's make the new tunnel four lanes, let's make a 4th HO/T shoulder, let's make a direct I-564 flyover), I would think it would get pushed back farther to accommodate receiving more funding (as project costs increase) and having to design these things. As it is, I've not seen any refined designs for the new bridges over the water and the I-564 flyover.

Did you know that the James River Bridge (US-17) at 4.5 miles, when opened in 1928, was the longest open water bridge crossing in the world?
Didn't know that, that's real interesting. This area sure does have some impressive water crossings and history.

the Southeastern Parkway has never yet been close to even having a completed NEPA EIS/location process.
As froggie mentioned, there was a Final EIS in 2008.

Regions go thru major highway development cycles, some of building new freeways, some of mostly widening freeways.  Either way involves major capacity expansion.  The last 10 years has mostly been in the latter, plus expanding crossings across the Elizabeth River ($2.1 billion). 

I-64 widening in Chesapeake, I-64 widening Newport News to Williamsburg, the new parallel Midtown Tunnel, major rehabs to the 3 older Elizabeth River tunnels, the new Jordan Bridge, the new Gilmerton Bridge, the new Dominion Blvd. bridge, the expanded I-64 bridge over Elizabeth River under construction, the new parallel Thimble Shoal Tunnel under construction, and soon the HRBT expansion to 8 lanes.
Can't argue with that, there are some big projects going on now. I'm looking forward to seeing them completed in the next 5 years.

Southeastern Parkway was largely a Virginia Beach-led effort.  The city is still interested AFAIK but ACoE questions about the wetland impacts, plus the lack of $1B (at the time...probably higher now) to pay for it have been stumbling blocks.
Believe it or not, the figures actually up to over $5 billion as of recent estimates. I don't know if the city is still interested per se, I've not heard anything on it. As for Chesapeake's portion, the 2050 Master Transportation Plan here still shows it, though was told it's going to get removed in the next update of it.

Tolling would be problematic given the toll-free I-264 in the same broad corridor.
A lot of trips currently exist within the region of the now dead parkway that do not involve getting near I-264. Local traffic would have benefited the most from, and shunpiking would've existed not on I-264, but the parallel surface routes.

Always has faced high hurdles, which was my overall point.
The idea for it was good when initially proposed, and would certainly help traffic flow today, but there are issues with it. Good idea, good concept, not easy to put into reality.

The two 2-lane roads (Elbow Rd and Mt. Pleasant Rd) heading into Virginia Beach carry substantial traffic volumes that would've been significantly reduced if this was built, but nonetheless, those roads will eventually be improved and widened. Not in the next 5 years, but eventually.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Beltway on January 12, 2019, 11:11:44 PM
The congested arterial section will soon be widened to 6 lanes and with intersection improvememts.
But it goes back to the original topic - does it warrant freeway or not with traffic volumes. This segment does warrant freeway construction, but currently no "good" place for it let alone costs. Remember 4 miles was going to cost $250+ million as of that 2008 study?

Adam F. ("Froggie") worked out an alignment that he posted that would connect the Holland and Suffolk bypasses with a continuous freeway and full connectivity with the Suffolk Bypass southwest quadrant and with existing US-58 and Business US-58.

N.C. may get its third major tollroad, plus a major tolled bridge.
What third toll road? Are you referring to the NC-540 extension back to I-87? I'd consider that an extension of the existing toll road, not a new route. Also, two bridges at least are proposed. The Mid-Currituck Bridge and the Cape Fear Skyway in Wilmington.

The Cape Fear Skyway would cost over $1 billion is on indefinite hold.

The extension of the Raleigh outer loop would almost triple the length of the existing tollroad, in effect another major tollroad.  N.C. is pushing forward on toll roads.

As it is HRBT will get 4 more lanes with the project starting this year.
This year? The way the concepts keep changing every few months (let's make the new tunnel four lanes, let's make a 4th HO/T shoulder, let's make a direct I-564 flyover), I would think it would get pushed back farther to accommodate receiving more funding (as project costs increase) and having to design these things. As it is, I've not seen any refined designs for the new bridges over the water and the I-564 flyover.

Final design still being negotiated.  The developer determination that a 4-lane double bore tunnel could be built for about the same cost as a single 3-lane box tube, occurred within the last year.

Per June 2018 briefing to the CTB, execute Comprehensive Agreement in March 2019, Construction Complete in December 2024.

From the briefing --
"A preliminary design was developed as a proof-of-concept for the Final Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement (SEIS).  In 2018, VDOT will request proposals from bidders to develop innovations that refine this design concept, which will be finalized when the construction contract is awarded in 2019."

Three scope options included in Draft RFP:
ē Direct connect ramps from I-64 HOT to I-564
ē Increase height clearance at the existing WB Tunnel
ē Replace existing marine approach bridges

Marine Construction Considerations
- Marine bridges have risks but are largely conventional 
- Tunnel work is less conventional and will generate greatest risks from cost and schedule standpoint
- This is a rare location where both immersed-tube and bored tunnel construction methods are feasible
  ē All ten Hampton Roads tunnels to date have been immersed tubes
  ē Until recently, bored tunnels were not feasible in soft soils
  ē But recent advances in technology now make bored tunnels possible in soft soils 
- Both tunnel methods were directly compared in the nearby CBBT - Thimble Shoal Tunnel procurement in 2015
  ē Received Bored Tunnel proposals only
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: sprjus4 on January 12, 2019, 11:29:38 PM
Adam F. ("Froggie") worked out an alignment that he posted that would connect the Holland and Suffolk bypasses with a continuous freeway and full connectivity with the Suffolk Bypass southwest quadrant and with existing US-58 and Business US-58.
Oh, I know, I've seen it, I also did a design as part of my "US-58 freeway" to I-85, but the issue is cost, especially the junction with the Suffolk Bypass. It's workable, as seen by both of our ideas, but it's position combined with the US-13 interchange creates a challenge on a seamless design.

The Cape Fear Skyway would cost over $1 billion is on indefinite hold.
It's up for environmental studies & planning again, those being funded in the STIP. https://www.ncdot.gov/projects/cape-fear-crossing/Pages/default.aspx

The extension of the Raleigh outer loop would almost triple the length of the existing tollroad, in effect another major tollroad.
It's all Toll NC-540 in the end, tolled from its eastern end at I-87 to the western end at NC-147. A new road in my mind would be a new route, not an extension of an existing tolling road.

N.C. is pushing forward on toll roads.
To an extent, there's still major projects that are being done without tolls. US-1 is going to be converted to an urban arterial to a six-lane freeway starting at I-540 northwards, and will not be toll financed, all of the I-42, I-87, I-795, I-74, I-73, I-840, I-295 freeways that have to be built eventually will not be tolled, the massive I-95 expansion will not include tolls, etc.

I'm curious as to what their criteria for choosing which projects get tolled is.

Final design still being negotiated.  The developer determination that a 4-lane double bore tunnel could be built for about the same cost as a single 3-lane box tube, occurred within the last year.

Per June 2018 briefing to the CTB, execute Comprehensive Agreement in March 2019, Construction Complete in December 2024.

From the briefing --
"A preliminary design was developed as a proof-of-concept for the Final Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement (SEIS).  In 2018, VDOT will request proposals from bidders to develop innovations that refine this design concept, which will be finalized when the construction contract is awarded in 2019."
I'm willing to bet it won't start construction for another year, but I guess we'll see how it goes. I-64 High Rise Bridge was about 4 months late on construction, though it's plans were fully finalized in advance.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: froggie on January 13, 2019, 10:34:42 AM
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I'm curious as to what their criteria for choosing which projects get tolled is.

State law.  The initial legislation authorized 9 toll projects.  Subsequent legislation mandated that any future toll projects require legislative approval.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: sprjus4 on January 13, 2019, 03:32:03 PM
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I'm curious as to what their criteria for choosing which projects get tolled is.

State law.  The initial legislation authorized 9 toll projects.  Subsequent legislation mandated that any future toll projects require legislative approval.
What were the initial 9? Did it include the HO/T lanes as well?

The only tolls I can think of are NC-540, Mid-Currituck Bridge, and U.S. 74 Bypass.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: froggie on January 13, 2019, 06:34:25 PM
^ You'd have to look it up.  I think there's a link somewhere on NCDOT's website.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Beltway on January 13, 2019, 06:39:28 PM
^ You'd have to look it up.  I think there's a link somewhere on NCDOT's website.

10 tollroads Ö the rest are Interstate highway express lanes.
https://www.ncdot.gov/divisions/turnpike/turnpike-projects/Pages/default.aspx
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: sprjus4 on January 13, 2019, 08:09:51 PM
10 tollroads Ö the rest are Interstate highway express lanes.
https://www.ncdot.gov/divisions/turnpike/turnpike-projects/Pages/default.aspx
Interstate express lanes for the most part, but U.S. 74 is a weird situation I've never seen, but really interesting. It's a 6-lane at-grade roadway with businesses, etc. along the side with direct driveway access, but has express lanes in the median and every crossroad is grade separated and access is provided at tight urban interchanges. Like a freeway, but not... It's located south of Charlotte inside the beltway (I-485)

Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: ctkatz on January 31, 2019, 06:04:04 AM
I've got two, none of I 64 east of lexington and I 24 east of the western kentucky parkway.  I only managed 75 from the 71 split to the 64 split only because going through cincy on a road trip I decided f it, take 75 cause it's not as though I'm planning for anything in the northeast anytime soon.

i just need to go north on 75 from lex and find a way to get all of 24 west and 24 east to clarksville and I have all of kentucky done, fully completed highways and non x69 3di interstates included.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Thunderbyrd316 on February 09, 2019, 10:36:20 AM
   US 395 freeway in Spokane. I have not been up that way in quite a while. Also have not been on the US 95 freeway stretch north of Coeur d'Alene yet since that was finished.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: bing101 on February 09, 2019, 03:02:24 PM
I-580 and I-238 are freeways I never driven on.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: jakeroot on February 09, 2019, 09:46:58 PM
US 395 freeway in Spokane. I have not been up that way in quite a while.

Thanks for reminding me. That, and the WA-240 freeway in the Tri-Cities, are the only WA freeways that I haven't driven. I never seem to make my way east of the cascades.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: epzik8 on February 10, 2019, 10:58:44 AM
The U.S. 301 Middletown Bypass in Delaware.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Roadsguy on February 10, 2019, 01:21:23 PM
The U.S. 301 Middletown Bypass in Delaware.

I'd imagine there are still a few of us on the forum for whom that is now the case, myself included.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: thspfc on March 30, 2019, 04:38:17 PM
WI-16 freeway in the Milwaukee area, 55 miles.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: 7/8 on March 31, 2019, 02:24:29 PM
There's several short sections of freeway I'm missing in Toronto

An example similar to the OP would be the 403 between Woodstock (the 401) and Hamilton (RR 52). I've only driven that segment once or twice and it was for going between job sites.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: skluth on March 31, 2019, 07:56:02 PM
It is a shame that some people here can't do what I did, and look across Hampton Roads, and wonder how they will ever build 8 Interstate lanes and 4 arterial lanes across 4 miles of deep water (as in deep enough and wide enough to accommodate a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier or a fleet of them for that matter).
I wasn't around to see any of it built sadly. Now the question is how will they ever build 8 more interstate lanes across 4 miles of deep water.

There is nowhere in Hampton Roads area except the CBBT where four miles of deep water is crossed. (The CBBT is mostly in waters 40'-50' deep.) (https://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/12245.shtml) Most of the water within the Hampton Roads basin (https://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/12245.shtml) is under 30 feet deep. It's only in the dredged deep-water channels where depth exceeds 30 feet. The widest deep water is the turnaround deep basin alongside the navy base which is a mile across. The approaches to the MMMBT and HRBT are in waters less than 30 feet deep. Building new crossings of Hampton Roads would be fairly simple if the USN didn't prohibit bridges across the channel between the shipyards and the ocean.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: intelati49 on March 31, 2019, 09:41:15 PM
It's bugging me to death, but at this point it's the new (<2 mile) AR612 north of Fayetteville, AR.

I pass it 5 days out of the week, but I have never needed to head west there.

(It's basically a bypass to XNA Airport that is a few miles off the road.)
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: webny99 on April 01, 2019, 11:13:23 AM
An example similar to the OP would be the 403 between Woodstock (the 401) and Hamilton (RR 52). I've only driven that segment once or twice and it was for going between job sites.

Quite the opposite for me -- been on that stretch countless times (including yesterday!) but I have never been on the other side of the triangle - 401 between Woodstock and Cambridge.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Beltway on April 01, 2019, 06:48:19 PM
It is a shame that some people here can't do what I did, and look across Hampton Roads, and wonder how they will ever build 8 Interstate lanes and 4 arterial lanes across 4 miles of deep water (as in deep enough and wide enough to accommodate a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier or a fleet of them for that matter).
I wasn't around to see any of it built sadly. Now the question is how will they ever build 8 more interstate lanes across 4 miles of deep water.
There is nowhere in Hampton Roads area except the CBBT where four miles of deep water is crossed. (The CBBT is mostly in waters 40'-50' deep.) (https://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/12245.shtml) Most of the water within the Hampton Roads basin (https://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/12245.shtml) is under 30 feet deep. It's only in the dredged deep-water channels where depth exceeds 30 feet. The widest deep water is the turnaround deep basin alongside the navy base which is a mile across. The approaches to the MMMBT and HRBT are in waters less than 30 feet deep. Building new crossings of Hampton Roads would be fairly simple if the USN didn't prohibit bridges across the channel between the shipyards and the ocean.

There is nothing simple about building a crossing 3.5 miles long or 4.6 miles long across a harbor that could moor 12 Nimitz-class aircraft carriers at once. 

There is a massive area of deep water there --
http://www.roadstothefuture.com/HRBT_Nautical_Chart_L.jpg

I misworded some with the implication that it is 40+ feet deep all the way across, but my point remains.

The 1862 battle of the ironclads took place near Sewells Point, where the I-664 North Island is today, and that required water at least 22 feet deep.

A high-level bridge would be no piece of cake.  Given the shipping requirements, the main span would need to be at least 2,000 feet wide and 180 feet high, and some of the high-level approaches would extend partway over land.  The Navy and other maritime interests may request at least 3,000 feet wide.
 
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: sprjus4 on April 01, 2019, 07:36:48 PM
The 1862 battle of the ironclads took place near Sewells Point, where the I-664 North Island is today, and that required water at least 22 feet deep.
FTFY
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: X99 on April 01, 2019, 10:06:15 PM
All of them.



I can't get my license until the end of April.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: 7/8 on April 13, 2019, 03:54:14 PM
There's several short sections of freeway I'm missing in Toronto
  • The 400 south of the 401
  • Allen Road (EDIT: I'm still missing the part north of the 401)
  • The Gardiner east of Jarvis St
  • The DVP south of Danforth Ave

I knocked a good portion of the above off my list last weekend. But I just noticed today that I'm missing a short segment of the 427 south of the Gardiner (and I was right there! :/)

After Toronto, the closest segments are in Buffalo/Niagara Falls, NY:
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: webny99 on April 13, 2019, 09:51:58 PM
But I just noticed today that I'm missing a short segment of the 427 south of the Gardiner (and I was right there! :/)

I am wondering if that's possible, considering the southern terminus of 427 is actually at the Gardiner.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: vdeane on April 13, 2019, 11:21:46 PM
I am wondering if that's possible, considering the southern terminus of 427 is actually at the Gardiner.
Maybe not (http://travelmapping.net/hb/?u=vdeane&r=on.on427)
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: 7/8 on April 14, 2019, 11:50:51 AM
I am wondering if that's possible, considering the southern terminus of 427 is actually at the Gardiner.
Maybe not (http://travelmapping.net/hb/?u=vdeane&r=on.on427)

Interestingly, the MTO suggests it goes all the way down to Coules Ct (http://www.raqsb.mto.gov.on.ca/techpubs/TrafficVolumes.nsf/fa027808647879788525708a004b5df8/f51986ea499a13b08525745f006dd30b/$FILE/Provincial%20Highways%20Traffic%20Volumes%202016%20AADT%20Only.pdf). But it seems weird that the MTO would maintain the road south of this intersection (https://maps.app.goo.gl/f2dMt) :hmmm:
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: EpicRoadways on April 19, 2019, 10:27:20 PM
While not a segment that I've never driven on per se, the 2 mile section of I-94 in both directions just west of St. Cloud between the CSAH 75 interchange (exit 158) and the CSAH 2 interchange (exit 160) is a section of freeway that I've only ever been on two or three times despite having lived nearby for 15+ years. When I had to go eastbound, I'd use exit 160; when I had to go westbound, I'd use CSAH 75 via exit 158. Even now, I still bypass that section when headed westbound because of how accessible the CSAH 75 interchange is heading out of St. Cloud.

For reference, here's the section of freeway that I'm talking about. You can tell that the partial interchange for CSAH 75 is designed mainly to handle the inbound/outbound traffic for St. Cloud while the CSAH 2 interchange is designed mainly for local traffic. https://www.google.com/maps/dir/45.5582647,-94.3398356/45.5859642,-94.3621238/@45.5792002,-94.371759,5593m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!4m1!3e0

But if you want me to stay completely true to the topic, the nearest freeway section that I've never been on would be I-90 between Rochester, MN and Tomah, WI.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Gnutella on April 23, 2019, 05:19:21 AM
The toll segment of I-185 in South Carolina, about 100 miles away from me.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: wriddle082 on April 23, 2019, 06:13:46 AM
Most likely something in Eastern NC.  I donít think Iíve ever driven any of the freeway segments that are slated to one day become I-42, or been to Goldsboro or New Bern.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: webny99 on April 23, 2019, 08:39:32 AM
I am wondering if that's possible, considering the southern terminus of 427 is actually at the Gardiner.
Maybe not (http://travelmapping.net/hb/?u=vdeane&r=on.on427)
Interestingly, the MTO suggests it goes all the way down to Coules Ct (http://www.raqsb.mto.gov.on.ca/techpubs/TrafficVolumes.nsf/fa027808647879788525708a004b5df8/f51986ea499a13b08525745f006dd30b/$FILE/Provincial%20Highways%20Traffic%20Volumes%202016%20AADT%20Only.pdf). But it seems weird that the MTO would maintain the road south of this intersection (https://maps.app.goo.gl/f2dMt) :hmmm:

Hmm. I don't keep track of my exact travels through travel mapping or anything like that, but I would consider myself to have clinched ON 427 without having been on that short segment, and for a few reasons:

(1) That segment is visible from the southbound to westbound flyover.
(2) ON 427 is not signed as continuing past the Gardiner (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6381311,-79.5604575,3a,75y,171.41h,88.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s74RU30uzwL9AoREpepUTtA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) (the sign on the right would need to have an ON 427 shield, and it doesn't).
(3) Google Maps identifies the connectors as ramps, not part of a mainline route.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: Skye on May 02, 2019, 04:24:01 PM
Depends on what's closer to Cincinnati, I-75 North of Sydney, OH, US 35 between Chillicothe and Washington CH, or I-65 between Louisville and Indy.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 19, 2019, 12:56:14 AM
This is tough. If you include roads that we've been on before any of us were old enough to drive, I don't think there's a single expressway, parkway or toll road in Long Island, New York City, or the Lower Hudson Valley that I haven't been on. If you were to add other parts of the New York Tri-State Area, there might've been some in New Jersey that I haven't been near. If we were to stick to New York State, probably Arden Valley Road (Parkway). And I was looking towards something much further upstate like I-787 or NY 85.

As for the Tampa Bay region, just the I-4/Lee Roy Selmon Connector. I was going to say that the nearest ones are in the Orlando Metro Area (FL Toll Road 417, the former FL Toll Road 4080, FL 551, a.k.a.;  "Goldenrod Road," and Osceola Parkway), but I just realized I was wrong.

FYI, I have to add this to my post:
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Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: TheStranger on July 19, 2019, 01:51:17 PM
It hit me that if one counts Route 77 in Oakland as a short freeway, that was actually the nearest freeway segment I had never driven - until earlier this year.

(To be fair, with the free-flowing ramps from 880 to 77 replaced with a diamond in the 90s, this may be entirely debatable)
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: bing101 on July 19, 2019, 02:38:50 PM
I-238 I never driven there
And CA-13 I never driven there and it's near my home.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: dgolub on July 20, 2019, 08:57:32 AM
The Jackie Robinson Parkway, formerly known as the Interboro Parkway.  After that is probably the southernmost piece of the Van Wyck Expressway (I-678) leading to Kennedy Airport.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 21, 2019, 02:32:54 PM
You know, I just remembered that I still haven't been on the Long Mountain Parkway either, but Arden Valley Road is still the closer parkway I haven't been on when I lived on Long Island.

Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: lepidopteran on July 25, 2019, 07:57:09 PM
Two maybes, and one almost certain.

Maybe: The spur off the I-895 spur (honest!) that connects to MD-2 in the Glen Burnie area.  You could argue that it's just a glorified on-ramp, but it does have 1 or 2 movements with the Baltimore Beltway (I-695).

Maybe: In the same vicinity, the MD-10 freeway between MD-100 and I-695.  More likely to have never been north of MD-648, or perhaps Furnace Branch Rd.

More certain: the MD-702 freeway off the I-695 beltway in the Essex area.  Come to thing of it, haven't been on the arc of I-695 east of I-97 and US-40 for quite a while.  It might have still been a "super-2" the last time I took it across the Key Bridge, or the concrete might have just hardened.

For the nearest freeway of any significant length, that would be, hands down, the new US-301 toll road in Delaware.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: mrhappy1261 on July 27, 2019, 09:30:34 PM
In Greenville NC, US 17 New Bern bypass.
Title: Re: Nearest Freeway Segment You've Never Driven
Post by: X99 on July 28, 2019, 11:18:57 PM
All of them.



I can't get my license until the end of April.
Yes, I know I'm quoting myself. Still don't have my license, but the nearest freeway I haven't driven (with passenger, required on a learner's permit) is I-90 east of New Underwood, SD.