Foreigner. Kelly Hansen is no Lou Gramm.
Van Halen III. The Gary Cherone thing just didn't work.
Black Sabbath. Dio was great, but Ozzy was unique.
AC/DC. Yes, I know "Back In Black" was a huge hit, but nothing they've done since was as good. I'll listen to the Bon Scott era releases any day. Can't say the same for the Brian Johnson albums except "Back In Black" and a few isolated tracks from subsequent releases.
Chicago. Neither Donnie Dacus nor Bill Champlin were the same as the late Terry Kath. What they should have done was let Lee Loughnane sing the Kath songs and bring someone else on to play trumpet. And now they're on their second or third Peter Cetera replacement.
And, bands that didn't miss a beat when they changed singers.
Van Halen II. I always preferred the Roth era, but "Van Hagar" wasn't all THAT bad.
Iron Maiden. If anything, Bruce Dickinson was an upgrade over Paul Di'Anno.
Molly Hatchet. Jimmy Farrar didn't sound the same as Danny Joe Brown, but it worked.
Rainbow. It was never about the vocalist (Dio, Bonnett, Turner, etc.). It was always about Ritchie Blackmore.
Agreed on Chicago.
Journey should have hung it up post-Steve Perry.
Maybe the Doobie Brothers - I don't know if the Michael McDonald era was worse or just different. Certainly not "bad."
The post-Roger Waters Pink Floyd albums were OK, certainly products of their time, but they shouldn't have toured.
It seems like the Van Hagar era was a pivot away from arena rock/hair metal. For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge was also a product of its time.
INXS should have stopped after Michael Hutchence died. Or maybe even before, but definitely after.
Quote from: Takumi on February 05, 2019, 12:42:10 PM
INXS should have stopped after Michael Hutchence died. Or maybe even before, but definitely after.
Oh yeah, completely forgot about their post-Hutchence career.
Similarly, Queen should never have reunited after Freddie Mercury died.
KISS should have called it quits the first time one of their members flipped out because someone was shining a laser pointer at the stage.
Yes should have called it quits instead of replacing Jon Anderson late in their career.
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 05, 2019, 11:14:55 AM
The post-Roger Waters Pink Floyd albums were OK, certainly products of their time, but they shouldn't have toured.
I can't remember the vocal split between Waters and Gilmour, but I always preferred Gilmour's voice to Waters.'
Gilmour's first two solo albums were excellent. I play them frequently, although "About Face" is one of the most depressing albums ever made.
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 05, 2019, 12:46:42 PM
Similarly, Queen should never have reunited after Freddie Mercury died.
Am I the only one who's a fan of Roger Taylor and Brian May as vocalists?
The "Queen+" branding is a bit odd. I thought Paul Rodgers was a decent fit in that configuration, because he is a big name himself. A bit reminiscent of the "supergroups."
Mott the Hoople should have called it quits when Ian Hunter left. Technically I suppose they did in that they changed their name, but the change was just shortening it to "Mott" at first so it wasn't much of a change. Mott then became British Lions. Either way, it wasn't the same after Hunter quit.
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Quote from: abefroman329 on February 05, 2019, 11:14:55 AMThe post-Roger Waters Pink Floyd albums were OK, certainly products of their time, but they shouldn't have toured.
I can't remember the vocal split between Waters and Gilmour, but I always preferred Gilmour's voice to Waters.
Gilmour's voice is higher than Waters' (I think Gilmour sings lead on Run Like Hell). When I saw Waters on his tour in 2006 and 2007, he had female backup singers singing the Gilmour parts, I don't know if if that was intended as a Take That or if that was the best way of getting it done.
There's also very, very little about Waters' politics that you would like.
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 05, 2019, 12:46:42 PM
Quote from: Takumi on February 05, 2019, 12:42:10 PM
INXS should have stopped after Michael Hutchence died. Or maybe even before, but definitely after.
Oh yeah, completely forgot about their post-Hutchence career.
Similarly, Queen should never have reunited after Freddie Mercury died.
I didn't even realize INXS or Queen had continued on. Wow, I can't even imagine those bands without their lead singers.
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Quote from: Takumi on February 05, 2019, 12:42:10 PM
INXS should have stopped after Michael Hutchence died. Or maybe even before, but definitely after.
Oh yeah, completely forgot about their post-Hutchence career.
Similarly, Queen should never have reunited after Freddie Mercury died.
I didn't even realize INXS or Queen had continued on. Wow, I can't even imagine those bands without their lead singers.
There was a pretty lengthy hiatus between the time their respective lead singers died and the time the reunited. And I think INXS had some sort of reality show about searching for their new lead singer?
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 05, 2019, 11:14:55 AM
The post-Roger Waters Pink Floyd albums were OK, certainly products of their time, but they shouldn't have toured.
Technically, Waters was never the "lead" singer. If anyone was the "lead", it was Gilmour. Most of their popular songs were sung by Gilmour, a few by Waters (especially on
Animals &
The Wall). Some of the songs were also sung by Gilmour and Waters, some by Gilmour and Richard Wright. One ("Have A Cigar") was sung by Roy Harper.
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Quote from: Takumi on February 05, 2019, 12:42:10 PM
INXS should have stopped after Michael Hutchence died. Or maybe even before, but definitely after.
Oh yeah, completely forgot about their post-Hutchence career.
Similarly, Queen should never have reunited after Freddie Mercury died.
I didn't even realize INXS or Queen had continued on. Wow, I can't even imagine those bands without their lead singers.
There was a pretty lengthy hiatus between the time their respective lead singers died and the time the reunited. And I think INXS had some sort of reality show about searching for their new lead singer?
Indeed. INXS did a few shows with guest singers in the interim, but the reality show was around 2004 or so and their lone album with their new singer came out a year or so later. I bought it used at a thrift store a few years ago. I might have made it through one listen.
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Quote from: abefroman329 on February 05, 2019, 11:14:55 AM
The post-Roger Waters Pink Floyd albums were OK, certainly products of their time, but they shouldn't have toured.
Technically, Waters was never the "lead" singer. If anyone was the "lead", it was Gilmour. Most of their popular songs were sung by Gilmour, a few by Waters (especially on Animals & The Wall). Some of the songs were also sung by Gilmour and Waters, some by Gilmour and Richard Wright. One ("Have A Cigar") was sung by Roy Harper.
So, no wonder he didn't know which one was Pink.
Quote from: hbelkins on February 05, 2019, 10:43:28 AM
Black Sabbath. Dio was great, but Ozzy was unique.
Nothing about Ian Gillan, Tony Martin, or Glenn Hughes as well? Sabbath is one of my favorites and I honestly love all the eras.
Also, speaking of Ian Gillan, Deep Purple adding him was a massive upgrade, and lead to their run of great music.
I don't mind the Queen reunions because they always made it clear that the singer along for the tour was merely as a collaboration and not pretending he was actually a new band member.
Supertramp without Roger Hodgson (technically the co-lead singer). I think he sang all but about two of their biggest hits ("Bloody Well Right" and "Goodbye Stranger" were Rick Davies). Hodgson and his former bandmates had an agreement not to play each other's music after Hodgson quit, but I think eventually the Davies-led band said "F it" because Hodgson had all the hits. Hodgson went on to have a semi decent solo career while Supertramp cratered without him.
Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 05, 2019, 01:43:07 PM
Yes should have called it quits instead of replacing Jon Anderson late in their career.
I have less of a problem with this than trying to replace Chris Squire after his death. I saw the Anderson/Rabin/Wakeman Yes in 2017 and it was incredible.
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 05, 2019, 12:47:27 PM
KISS should have called it quits the first time one of their members flipped out because someone was shining a laser pointer at the stage.
KISS should have called it quits, rather than getting rid of the makeup, in 1983.
Others:
Van Halen: Sorry, but "Van Hagar" sucked, because Sammy Hagar sucked. He managed to be even more obnoxious than David Lee Roth (if such a thing was possible), but at least Roth had a sense of humor, which I don't remember from Hagar.
Doobie Brothers: When Michael McDonald replaced Tom Johnston in 1976, the rest of the band became pretty much an afterthought/backup band to McDonald's vocals. They were successful, of course, but they were no longer the "real" Doobies.
Uriah Heep: After David Byron was fired by the band for alcohol abuse in 1976, they went through 4 other lead vocalists before settling on Bernie Shaw in 1986. They fell off the map, as far as the US was concerned, right about the time Byron was canned. He died in 1985.
Genesis after Phil Collins left as the singer who replaced him brought the band no fame. In fact to the late baby boomers and Generation X, many thought that both Phil and Genesis was synonymous and never gave either Tony Banks or Mike Rutherford their due as they also were very talented in that group.
Collins leaving in the end busted that band for sure despite they survived the departure of Peter Gabriel and the change in genre as they went from progressive to pop rock when Steve Hackett left in 1978.
When Paul Rogers left Bad Co, I know many hated his replacement, but I thought that they were not bad. In fact I liked the song Walking on Holy Water.
Another was Boston when Brad Delp departed (either from his suicide or resignation from the band before his tragic death) as Tom Sholtz was the mastermind and it was his instrumental arranging really that gave Boston its sound.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 05, 2019, 08:37:30 PM
I don't mind the Queen reunions because they always made it clear that the singer along for the tour was merely as a collaboration and not pretending he was actually a new band member.
Supertramp without Roger Hodgson (technically the co-lead singer). I think he sang all but about two of their biggest hits ("Bloody Well Right" and "Goodbye Stranger" were Rick Davies). Hodgson and his former bandmates had an agreement not to play each other's music after Hodgson quit, but I think eventually the Davies-led band said "F it" because Hodgson had all the hits. Hodgson went on to have a semi decent solo career while Supertramp cratered without him.
Quote from: kevinb1994 on February 05, 2019, 01:43:07 PM
Yes should have called it quits instead of replacing Jon Anderson late in their career.
I have less of a problem with this than trying to replace Chris Squire after his death. I saw the Anderson/Rabin/Wakeman Yes in 2017 and it was incredible.
Yeah the whole Chris Squire thing was a PITA.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2019, 09:52:30 PM
Genesis after Phil Collins left as the singer who replaced him brought the band no fame. In fact to the late baby boomers and Generation X, many thought that both Phil and Genesis was synonymous and never gave either Tony Banks or Mike Rutherford their due as they also were very talented in that group.
Collins leaving in the end busted that band for sure despite they survived the departure of Peter Gabriel and the change in genre as they went from progressive to pop rock when Steve Hackett left in 1978.
When Paul Rogers left Bad Co, I know many hated his replacement, but I thought that they were not bad. In fact I liked the song Walking on Holy Water.
Another was Boston when Brad Delp departed (either from his suicide or resignation from the band before his tragic death) as Tom Sholtz was the mastermind and it was his instrumental arranging really that gave Boston its sound.
Yeah Genesis should have called it quits when Phil Collins finally left to concentrate on his still-thriving solo career.
Related to Chicago/Genesis, a large part of Cetera's departure was him wanting a similar arrangement that Genesis had to allow Collins equal parts time working with the band and running his solo career. Chicago wasn't keen on giving Cetera the same treatment so he said "smell ya later" .
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 05, 2019, 10:54:21 PM
Related to Chicago/Genesis, a large part of Cetera's departure was him wanting a similar arrangement that Genesis had to allow Collins equal parts time working with the band and running his solo career. Chicago wasn't keen on giving Cetera the same treatment so he said "smell ya later" .
Yeah I read about that and that just pissed me off that it couldn't be done like it was with Genesis and Phil Collins. They might as well have called it quits at that point, but no, they just turned into a depreciated-value oldies act.
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Quote from: abefroman329 on February 05, 2019, 11:14:55 AM
The post-Roger Waters Pink Floyd albums were OK, certainly products of their time, but they shouldn't have toured.
Technically, Waters was never the "lead" singer. If anyone was the "lead", it was Gilmour. Most of their popular songs were sung by Gilmour, a few by Waters (especially on Animals & The Wall). Some of the songs were also sung by Gilmour and Waters, some by Gilmour and Richard Wright. One ("Have A Cigar") was sung by Roy Harper.
So, no wonder he didn't know which one was Pink.
:-D
Quote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2019, 09:52:30 PM
Genesis after Phil Collins left as the singer who replaced him brought the band no fame. In fact to the late baby boomers and Generation X, many thought that both Phil and Genesis was synonymous and never gave either Tony Banks or Mike Rutherford their due as they also were very talented in that group.
Collins leaving in the end busted that band for sure despite they survived the departure of Peter Gabriel and the change in genre as they went from progressive to pop rock when Steve Hackett left in 1978.
When Paul Rogers left Bad Co, I know many hated his replacement, but I thought that they were not bad. In fact I liked the song Walking on Holy Water.
Another was Boston when Brad Delp departed (either from his suicide or resignation from the band before his tragic death) as Tom Sholtz was the mastermind and it was his instrumental arranging really that gave Boston its sound.
The whole Genesis thing with the Ray Wilson album was due to the record company being owed one final album. It was more of a contractual thing, and the others didn't want to get sued so they saved themselves (and Collins too) from that.
Since I got into hard rock and heavy metal in the very late 80's, I will freely admit that Brian Howe-era Bad Company is vastly superior to Paul Rodgers. The Holy Water album is incredible. I actually think Rodgers is one of the more overrated singers out there.
I'll also circle back to Foreigner and point out the album from 1991 they had with Johnny Edwards. Didn't do well, but had one very good hard rock song on it (Low Down and Dirty) which while good, was just way out of character for them.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 05, 2019, 09:52:30 PM
Another was Boston when Brad Delp departed (either from his suicide or resignation from the band before his tragic death) as Tom Sholtz was the mastermind and it was his instrumental arranging really that gave Boston its sound.
I saw Boston in concert two years ago, and the show was amazing.
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Black Sabbath. Dio was great, but Ozzy was unique.
Nothing about Ian Gillan, Tony Martin, or Glenn Hughes as well? Sabbath is one of my favorites and I honestly love all the eras.
Also, speaking of Ian Gillan, Deep Purple adding him was a massive upgrade, and lead to their run of great music.
Don't get me wrong, the two Dio-era Sabbath albums were pretty good. And I really liked the one album ("Born Again") that Gillan did with them. But that was Ozzy's band. I thought it ironic that after Randy Rhoads got killed, Ozzy did a live album of solely Sabbath songs (Night Ranger's Brad Gillis on guitar) before Sabbath could get their live album with Dio on vocals released.
And speaking of Deep Purple, Coverdale-era Purple was different. I certainly didn't like those releases as much as the classic Mark II Purple albums. "Fireball" was just as good as "Machine Head."
Someone mentioned Genesis. I don't think they missed a beat when Collins took over vocals from Gabriel. Their voices sounded similar enough that Collins singing "I Know What I Like In Your Wardrobe" or "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" was not really distinguishable from Gabriel.
And with Chicago/Cetera, Chicago has been focused more on touring than recording the last 25 years. And they built their reputation on musicianship as a group, rather than individual personalities. Cetera's abilities on bass are vastly unheralded. Listen to the bass lines on their first album if you don't believe me. His higher range was a good fit for the earlier ballads like "Just You 'n' Me" and "If You Leave Me Now" as well as some of the songs that pushed them back to the top in the mid-80s. It probably wouldn't have been possible for Cetera to maintain a solo career with Chicago's touring schedule.
"Van Hagar;" well, I liked Sammy as a solo artist and back to his Montrose days. Speaking of him, go pick up the "At Your Service" CD by Sammy Hagar & The Circle. They have a killer black guitarist I never heard of before named Vic Johnson, Michael Anthony on bass and Jason Bonham on drums. The album is a collection of live covers of Hagar classics, "Van Hagar" songs, Zeppelin tunes (paying homage to Bonham's dad) and even a version of "Rock Candy." Good stuff.
I remember Foreigner having a different lead singer in the early 90s, but Lou Gramm rejoined later and even had a minor hit.
10,000 Maniacs should've given up after Natalie Merchant called it quits.
Anyone ever hear the two Doors albums that were recorded as a trio after Jim Morrison died? I've heard them. Not very memorable.
As far as a few other ones mentioned here...
1. Black Sabbath did record a couple really good albums with Dio.
2. Van Halen obviously held their own with Sammy Hagar.
3. The first three Genesis albums without Peter Gabriel were pretty good.
4. Steve Perry wasn't the original lead singer of Journey, but is the best known.
5. Chicago has always had several lead singers. Kath and Lamm handled the baritone vocal stuff, while Cetera had the higher-pitched material. But Kath died, and Lamm preferred to stay in the background, so it was all Cetera, until he left. Jason Scheff did a fairly decent job as his replacement, though.
6. Motley Crue recorded a really terrible album without Vince Neil. Then they brought him back. Thankfully.
Quote from: golden eagle on March 16, 2019, 06:49:55 PM
10,000 Maniacs should've given up after Natalie Merchant called it quits.
It's all opinion of course, but I thought 10,000 Maniacs did all right after moving Mary Ramsey to lead vocalist (she had been a backing vocalist, also playing viola). Their cover of Roxy Music's "More Than This" seemed to receive a lot of airplay, as did the music video. I have the first two post-Merchant albums, both are (IMHO) very listenable.
I'm not familiar with the Oskar Saville era that followed Mary Ramsey - although I believe Ramsey is back on lead vocals these days.
Quote from: FightingIrish on March 16, 2019, 11:01:34 PM
Anyone ever hear the two Doors albums that were recorded as a trio after Jim Morrison died? I've heard them. Not very memorable.
Ray Manzarek had been the original vocalist for Rick and the Ravens, the band that became The Doors. Robbie Krieger did some singing as well, most notably as the 2nd lead on
Runnin' Blue, from the album
The Soft Parade. Both were competent, if not distinctive, lead vocalists. But neither was Jim Morrison, which made them irrelevant as singers after Morrison's death.
Despite his his fellow band members' talent, the reality was that Jim Morrison WAS The Doors, as far as their fans were concerned. Manzarek, Krieger, and John Densmore should have taken the hint, and called it quits when Morrison died in 1971.
Quote from: hbelkins on February 05, 2019, 10:43:28 AM
Iron Maiden. If anything, Bruce Dickinson was an upgrade over Paul Di'Anno.
It was for me. Di'Anno was very good, but Dickinson is a legend and one of the two finest heavy metal vocalists in history along with Rob Halford of Judas Priest. Speaking of Priest, I remember when they tried to replace Halford with the cheesy Ripper Owens. Those two albums were awful. Maiden's similar move to replace Dickinson with Blaze Bayley was more successful. Both vocalists have rejoined their main bands and all is right in the world. I've been fortunate enough to have seen Maiden twice and Priest once.
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 05, 2019, 12:47:27 PM
KISS should have called it quits the first time one of their members flipped out because someone was shining a laser pointer at the stage.
They should have called it a day when they realized that they can't write a good song to save their lives.
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Quote from: hbelkins on February 05, 2019, 10:43:28 AM
Black Sabbath. Dio was great, but Ozzy was unique.
Nothing about Ian Gillan, Tony Martin, or Glenn Hughes as well? Sabbath is one of my favorites and I honestly love all the eras.
Also, speaking of Ian Gillan, Deep Purple adding him was a massive upgrade, and lead to their run of great music.
Don't get me wrong, the two Dio-era Sabbath albums were pretty good. And I really liked the one album ("Born Again") that Gillan did with them. But that was Ozzy's band. I thought it ironic that after Randy Rhoads got killed, Ozzy did a live album of solely Sabbath songs (Night Ranger's Brad Gillis on guitar) before Sabbath could get their live album with Dio on vocals released.
And speaking of Deep Purple, Coverdale-era Purple was different. I certainly didn't like those releases as much as the classic Mark II Purple albums. "Fireball" was just as good as "Machine Head."
Someone mentioned Genesis. I don't think they missed a beat when Collins took over vocals from Gabriel. Their voices sounded similar enough that Collins singing "I Know What I Like In Your Wardrobe" or "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" was not really distinguishable from Gabriel.
And with Chicago/Cetera, Chicago has been focused more on touring than recording the last 25 years. And they built their reputation on musicianship as a group, rather than individual personalities. Cetera's abilities on bass are vastly unheralded. Listen to the bass lines on their first album if you don't believe me. His higher range was a good fit for the earlier ballads like "Just You 'n' Me" and "If You Leave Me Now" as well as some of the songs that pushed them back to the top in the mid-80s. It probably wouldn't have been possible for Cetera to maintain a solo career with Chicago's touring schedule.
"Van Hagar;" well, I liked Sammy as a solo artist and back to his Montrose days. Speaking of him, go pick up the "At Your Service" CD by Sammy Hagar & The Circle. They have a killer black guitarist I never heard of before named Vic Johnson, Michael Anthony on bass and Jason Bonham on drums. The album is a collection of live covers of Hagar classics, "Van Hagar" songs, Zeppelin tunes (paying homage to Bonham's dad) and even a version of "Rock Candy." Good stuff.
Quote from: hbelkins on February 06, 2019, 11:59:16 AM
Don't get me wrong, the two Dio-era Sabbath albums were pretty good. And I really liked the one album ("Born Again") that Gillan did with them. But that was Ozzy's band. I thought it ironic that after Randy Rhoads got killed, Ozzy did a live album of solely Sabbath songs (Night Ranger's Brad Gillis on guitar) before Sabbath could get their live album with Dio on vocals released.
There were 3 official Sabbath albums and one de facto Sabbath album with Dio singing. The first was 1980's Heaven and Hell, the second was 1981's Mob Rules. The third (and likely the one you forgot) was Dehumanizer which was released in 1992. The de facto Sabbath album was The Devil You Know which was released in 2009 which was confusingly credited to "Heaven And Hell" even though everybody and their dogs know it was the Dio era Sabbath. I assume changing the name was Sharon Osborne's idea, even though Sabbath was always Tony Iommi's band.
Alice in Chains and Stone Temple Pilots.
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INXS should have stopped after Michael Hutchence died. Or maybe even before, but definitely after.
Oh yeah, completely forgot about their post-Hutchence career.
Similarly, Queen should never have reunited after Freddie Mercury died.
I didn't even realize INXS or Queen had continued on. Wow, I can't even imagine those bands without their lead singers.
There was a pretty lengthy hiatus between the time their respective lead singers died and the time the reunited. And I think INXS had some sort of reality show about searching for their new lead singer?
I actually opened up this thread as INXS just popped up on my playlist.
Quote from: FightingIrish on March 16, 2019, 11:11:37 PM
2. Van Halen obviously held their own with Sammy Hagar.
Can't say the same about Gary Charone. Things got so bad, Diamond Dave came back.
Small Faces also did pretty well when Steve Marriott left. Just removed the "Small" and added Jeff Beck Group lead singer Rod the Mod.
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KISS should have called it quits the first time one of their members flipped out because someone was shining a laser pointer at the stage.
They should have called it a day when they realized that they can't write a good song to save their lives.
They have two or three good songs, but not nearly enough to justify their popularity.
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2. Van Halen obviously held their own with Sammy Hagar.
Can't say the same about Gary Charone. Things got so bad, Diamond Dave came back.
Small Faces also did pretty well when Steve Marriott left. Just removed the "Small" and added Jeff Beck Group lead singer Rod the Mod.
The problem with VH is the drama that band had over the years. It seems that Eddie was hard to get along with as first he got into it with Roth, then Hagar, and then Michael Anthony from what it seems.
Yes Cherone could not hold a candle to the original two. Hagar, despite the fans giving him a bad rap did hold up for all the years he was with them though.
Bad Company did not have it good when Paul Rogers left, but I thought the album with Holy Water was not that bad. 38 Special also had a change in front man in 1990 as well that the original singer came back.
Oh then Boston, when Brad Delp was not on their fourth LP. However, since he is no longer with us, that band has no choice but to have a new singer now.
Pfft. David Lee Roth was just as much of an egomaniac, if not moreso, as the very short-lived reunion where he came back exemplified (the reunion ended shortly after its anmouncement, if memory serves, because DLR was such a jerk in making it all about him).
Isn't Roth still with the current line up?
Quote from: roadman65 on March 19, 2019, 12:24:35 AM
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Oh then Boston, when Brad Delp was not on their fourth LP. However, since he is no longer with us, that band has no choice but to have a new singer now.
That whole thing was a strange situation. Delp wasn't on the record but did participate in the tour supporting that album (and the next tour after that) and he appeared on the fifth album,
Corporate America, and the subsequent tour. It's been widely suggested that Delp and Tom Scholz had a falling-out in the late 1980s. Given Scholz's history of lawsuits and squabbles with so many people, I doubt it would surprise anyone to learn that's exactly what the situation was.
Gwar was never the same after the untimely loss of lead singer Oderus Urungus (a.k.a. Dave Brockie).
Is J Geils still around? I know after Peter Wolfe left and Geils himself took the lead you never heard from them again. Wolfe even made it big when he went solo with that Lights Out song as people considered him to be synonymous with the group that had many hits with him.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 28, 2019, 10:49:20 PM
Is J Geils still around? I know after Peter Wolfe left and Geils himself took the lead you never heard from them again. Wolfe even made it big when he went solo with that Lights Out song as people considered him to be synonymous with the group that had many hits with him.
No that's not true, it was Seth Justman the keyboardist who took over back in the 80s when Peter Wolf left. They were only able to make it for one more album that tanked ("You're Getting Even While I'm Getting Odd" ) before calling it quits before they got back together later on. J Geils himself sadly passed away a couple years ago.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 28, 2019, 10:49:20 PM
Is J Geils still around? I know after Peter Wolfe left and Geils himself took the lead you never heard from them again. Wolfe even made it big when he went solo with that Lights Out song as people considered him to be synonymous with the group that had many hits with him.
Geils died a couple of years ago, on 4/11/2017 at age 71.
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Is J Geils still around? I know after Peter Wolfe left and Geils himself took the lead you never heard from them again. Wolfe even made it big when he went solo with that Lights Out song as people considered him to be synonymous with the group that had many hits with him.
Geils died a couple of years ago, on 4/11/2017 at age 71.
And it was not long after Chuck Berry had passed away at age 90, just a couple/few weeks prior in fact.
Chicago should really call it quits without Bill Champlin. I cannot picture the second era of the band without him. Sure the first era did not have him, but that was when they were more rocking with Robert Lamm more of a full time vocalist and the late Terry Kath who had a lot to contribute.
The band probably did well changing genre after Kath died as I do not know if they would have been the same as a typical rock band without Terry. It was more like a new band came forth when they went easy listening and adult contemporary. Some songs with Champlin in the mix like Hard Habit To Break ( singing co lead with Cetera) and having his voice come into Will You Still Love Me with Cetera's replacement Jason Scheff singing lead on that one, but Champlin singing some lines in the chorus were kind of rocking. Even the ones with Bill as solo lead like Look Away and Your'e Not Alone had a new type of Chicago sound with his voice.
Nonetheless, I miss his powerful voice.
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Quote from: KeithE4Phx on March 28, 2019, 10:53:50 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 28, 2019, 10:49:20 PM
Is J Geils still around? I know after Peter Wolfe left and Geils himself took the lead you never heard from them again. Wolfe even made it big when he went solo with that Lights Out song as people considered him to be synonymous with the group that had many hits with him.
Geils died a couple of years ago, on 4/11/2017 at age 71.
And it was not long after Chuck Berry had passed away at age 90, just a couple/few weeks prior in fact.
Berry had died on March 18th of that year.
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on March 28, 2019, 11:09:05 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on March 28, 2019, 10:54:43 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on March 28, 2019, 10:53:50 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 28, 2019, 10:49:20 PM
Is J Geils still around? I know after Peter Wolfe left and Geils himself took the lead you never heard from them again. Wolfe even made it big when he went solo with that Lights Out song as people considered him to be synonymous with the group that had many hits with him.
Geils died a couple of years ago, on 4/11/2017 at age 71.
And it was not long after Chuck Berry had passed away at age 90, just a couple/few weeks prior in fact.
Berry had died on March 18th of that year.
Yeah I wasn't sure of the exact date, but that's not long of a date/time gap IMO.
Quote from: kevinb1994 on March 28, 2019, 10:52:00 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 28, 2019, 10:49:20 PM
Is J Geils still around? I know after Peter Wolfe left and Geils himself took the lead you never heard from them again. Wolfe even made it big when he went solo with that Lights Out song as people considered him to be synonymous with the group that had many hits with him.
No that's not true, it was Seth Justman the keyboardist who took over back in the 80s when Peter Wolf left. They were only able to make it for one more album that tanked ("You're Getting Even While I'm Getting Odd" ) before calling it quits before they got back together later on. J Geils himself sadly passed away a couple years ago.
Correct.
Fun fact: the band went on tour in later years without J. Geils, who then sued the other members of the band for using the name without him, at which time the other members fired J. Geils from the J. Geils Band.
Quote from: spooky on March 29, 2019, 01:24:39 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on March 28, 2019, 10:52:00 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 28, 2019, 10:49:20 PM
Is J Geils still around? I know after Peter Wolfe left and Geils himself took the lead you never heard from them again. Wolfe even made it big when he went solo with that Lights Out song as people considered him to be synonymous with the group that had many hits with him.
No that's not true, it was Seth Justman the keyboardist who took over back in the 80s when Peter Wolf left. They were only able to make it for one more album that tanked ("You're Getting Even While I'm Getting Odd" ) before calling it quits before they got back together later on. J Geils himself sadly passed away a couple years ago.
Correct.
Fun fact: the band went on tour in later years without J. Geils, who then sued the other members of the band for using the name without him, at which time the other members fired J. Geils from the J. Geils Band.
So wouldn't that make them...The Band?
^^ The Band was already taken: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Band
Guess I should have added /s
Quote from: roadman65 on March 28, 2019, 11:06:11 PM
Chicago should really call it quits without Bill Champlin. I cannot picture the second era of the band without him. Sure the first era did not have him, but that was when they were more rocking with Robert Lamm more of a full time vocalist and the late Terry Kath who had a lot to contribute.
The band probably did well changing genre after Kath died as I do not know if they would have been the same as a typical rock band without Terry. It was more like a new band came forth when they went easy listening and adult contemporary. Some songs with Champlin in the mix like Hard Habit To Break ( singing co lead with Cetera) and having his voice come into Will You Still Love Me with Cetera's replacement Jason Scheff singing lead on that one, but Champlin singing some lines in the chorus were kind of rocking. Even the ones with Bill as solo lead like Look Away and Your'e Not Alone had a new type of Chicago sound with his voice.
Nonetheless, I miss his powerful voice.
"Hot Streets" was a really good album. I think it was a worthy successor to the Kath-era, and it was tons better than "X," and in many ways better than "XI," which sounded like a collection of solo pieces instead of a band album. Then, for whatever reason, "13" was released with that collection of songs, which never really took off. The poor performance of that album doomed the band with Columbia. "XIV" tanked and Columbia released them and put out "Greatest Hits Vol. II" as a 15th album to finish out their promised catalog on that label. Warner Bros./Full Moon signed them, "16" shot back up to the top, and the second era (Champlin/Foster) was born.
Myself, I can't take Bill Champlin's voice. It sounds like the proverbial chalk screeching on a chalkboard.
Quote from: hbelkins on March 29, 2019, 03:44:58 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 28, 2019, 11:06:11 PM
Chicago should really call it quits without Bill Champlin. I cannot picture the second era of the band without him. Sure the first era did not have him, but that was when they were more rocking with Robert Lamm more of a full time vocalist and the late Terry Kath who had a lot to contribute.
The band probably did well changing genre after Kath died as I do not know if they would have been the same as a typical rock band without Terry. It was more like a new band came forth when they went easy listening and adult contemporary. Some songs with Champlin in the mix like Hard Habit To Break ( singing co lead with Cetera) and having his voice come into Will You Still Love Me with Cetera's replacement Jason Scheff singing lead on that one, but Champlin singing some lines in the chorus were kind of rocking. Even the ones with Bill as solo lead like Look Away and Your'e Not Alone had a new type of Chicago sound with his voice.
Nonetheless, I miss his powerful voice.
"Hot Streets" was a really good album. I think it was a worthy successor to the Kath-era, and it was tons better than "X," and in many ways better than "XI," which sounded like a collection of solo pieces instead of a band album. Then, for whatever reason, "13" was released with that collection of songs, which never really took off. The poor performance of that album doomed the band with Columbia. "XIV" tanked and Columbia released them and put out "Greatest Hits Vol. II" as a 15th album to finish out their promised catalog on that label. Warner Bros./Full Moon signed them, "16" shot back up to the top, and the second era (Champlin/Foster) was born.
Myself, I can't take Bill Champlin's voice. It sounds like the proverbial chalk screeching on a chalkboard.
I'm not a fan of Bill Champlin either, I'm not sure why he was even asked to join the band from late 1981 to August 2009.
"13" had the killer performance of "˜Street Player', although I'm not sure if there was any reason behind its music video. "XIV" was totally unoriginal (and led to the dismissal of de Oliveira). I'd have to take a hard listen to "Hot Streets" and see for myself. "X" and "XI" was when the band was under pressure by Columbia to head in a more pop direction and Kath wanted to have a solo career. "16" had "˜Hard To Say I'm Sorry'/Get Away' which I first heard in the family dentist's office when I was growing up. I didn't exactly know who it was playing on the office speakers and wondered if it was a Chicago song I hadn't heard before or not. I was only familiar with the Kath-era of the band on "IX" at the time. Nowadays I have managed to pick up "VII" and "VIII" (the second and third Chicago albums to feature former percussionist Laudir de Oliveira, who was from Rio de Janeiro) in addition to "17" which was their last album with Peter Cetera (this was done to add to our quite small collection of Chicago albums, which until the middle of this decade had only consisted of "X" , "IX" , "V" , and "VI" –"VI" being the first Chicago album to feature de Oliveira and "X" being the fourth to do so).
Quote from: spooky on March 29, 2019, 01:24:39 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on March 28, 2019, 10:52:00 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 28, 2019, 10:49:20 PM
Is J Geils still around? I know after Peter Wolfe left and Geils himself took the lead you never heard from them again. Wolfe even made it big when he went solo with that Lights Out song as people considered him to be synonymous with the group that had many hits with him.
No that's not true, it was Seth Justman the keyboardist who took over back in the 80s when Peter Wolf left. They were only able to make it for one more album that tanked ("You're Getting Even While I'm Getting Odd" ) before calling it quits before they got back together later on. J Geils himself sadly passed away a couple years ago.
Correct.
Fun fact: the band went on tour in later years without J. Geils, who then sued the other members of the band for using the name without him, at which time the other members fired J. Geils from the J. Geils Band.
I remember reading about that and was like "˜wtf'.
I feel like Great White should have stopped touring after The Station burnt down.
Foreigner without Lou isn't Foreigner to me. And Lou is a cousin of mine on my mom's side of the family. Him and his brother don't get along too well and Lou isn't in the greatest of health. And he's had his fair share of failed marriages. But he still tours and performs his old stuff.
Saw someone basically claiming "sacrilege" today because Steely Dan is still performing.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 11, 2019, 08:19:55 PM
Saw someone basically claiming "sacrilege" today because Steely Dan is still performing.
" Sacrilege" is strong, but as far as I'm concerned, the band was Becker and Fagen.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 10, 2019, 03:58:13 PM
I feel like Great White should have stopped touring after The Station burnt down.
One thing I read about that is that Great White splintered into 2 bands and the version that performed at The Station was Jack Russell's Great White. Jack Russell was the singer in the original band.
QUeensryche did something similar when they kicked Geoff Tate out. Geoff Tate's version of Queensryche eventually became Operation Mindcrime.
Quote from: DandyDan on April 13, 2019, 03:58:59 AM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 10, 2019, 03:58:13 PM
I feel like Great White should have stopped touring after The Station burnt down.
One thing I read about that is that Great White splintered into 2 bands and the version that performed at The Station was Jack Russell's Great White. Jack Russell was the singer in the original band.
QUeensryche did something similar when they kicked Geoff Tate out. Geoff Tate's version of Queensryche eventually became Operation Mindcrime.
I'm always fascinated by '80s metal bands that play on with different members and sometimes splinter off into two different groups.
The band that became Great White was founded by Russell and guitarist Mark Kendall. Kendall was actually playing with Jack Russell's Great White at The Station and on the tour that continued later that year. Odd that they wouldn't just use Great White, although Kendall had left the band a few years before, after which they went on hiatus. The band reunited a few years after The Station fire, but Russell eventually was out again and continues today as Jack Russell's Great White.
TLC tried to go on after Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes' death. It didn't work.
Quote from: spooky on April 15, 2019, 07:19:24 AM
I'm always fascinated by '80s metal bands that play on with different members and sometimes splinter off into two different groups.
Every now and then, one of those "ancestry charts" will float across my Facebook feed. It's amazing how much incestuousness (for lack of a better term) takes place with a lot of those bands. And it's not just 80s bands, either. There's a lot of cross-pollination (again, for lack of a better term) in acts dating back to the 60s and 70s.
And then you have bands that splinter before they make it big. Guns 'n Roses was named for Tracii Guns and Axl Rose. Tracii Guns never made it to GnR's fame; he'd left earlier to form LA Guns (with lead singer Phil Collen, who I first heard of as the singer of a NWOBHM band called Girl in 1980).
And there's a reason Megadeth's "Mechanix" and Metallica's "Four Horsemen" sound alike.
Jefferson Airplane ... ok, different sound and vibe when they became Jefferson Starship. But Starship?? Absolutely not! We Built This City is acknowledged as one of the worst songs of the 80s - even by Grace Slick. And now that they are known as "Starship, featuring Mickey Thomas". I'm guessing they're playing the County Fair circuit this summer as the opening act to the pie eating and quilt competitions.
Quote from: Gulol on June 17, 2019, 01:09:51 PM
Jefferson Airplane ... ok, different sound and vibe when they became Jefferson Starship. But Starship?? Absolutely not! We Built This City is acknowledged as one of the worst songs of the 80s - even by Grace Slick. And now that they are known as "Starship, featuring Mickey Thomas". I'm guessing they're playing the County Fair circuit this summer as the opening act to the pie eating and quilt competitions.
They still made gobs of money.
Quote from: hbelkins on June 17, 2019, 12:26:44 PM
And there's a reason Megadeth's "Mechanix" and Metallica's "Four Horsemen" sound alike.
Ironically, the news broke yesterday afternoon that Dave Mustaine has throat cancer and Megadeth is calling off their tour.
Quote from: hbelkins on June 18, 2019, 12:20:44 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 17, 2019, 12:26:44 PM
And there's a reason Megadeth's "Mechanix" and Metallica's "Four Horsemen" sound alike.
Ironically, the news broke yesterday afternoon that Dave Mustaine has throat cancer and Megadeth is calling off their tour.
Don't know if his history of alcoholism and drug abuse had anything to do with it, nor his hard rock/heavy metal vocal style. My sincerest condolences to him and his family, however (despite not agreeing with his notorious lifestyle nor his views).
Quote from: Gulol on June 17, 2019, 01:09:51 PM
Jefferson Airplane ... ok, different sound and vibe when they became Jefferson Starship. But Starship?? Absolutely not! We Built This City is acknowledged as one of the worst songs of the 80s - even by Grace Slick. And now that they are known as "Starship, featuring Mickey Thomas". I'm guessing they're playing the County Fair circuit this summer as the opening act to the pie eating and quilt competitions.
Back in the mid '70s, many people (including me) called them "Jefferson Sellout." A decade later, when Paul Kantner left and took Jefferson with him, it was just "Sellout."
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on June 18, 2019, 10:38:35 PM
Quote from: Gulol on June 17, 2019, 01:09:51 PM
Jefferson Airplane ... ok, different sound and vibe when they became Jefferson Starship. But Starship?? Absolutely not! We Built This City is acknowledged as one of the worst songs of the 80s - even by Grace Slick. And now that they are known as "Starship, featuring Mickey Thomas". I'm guessing they're playing the County Fair circuit this summer as the opening act to the pie eating and quilt competitions.
Back in the mid '70s, many people (including me) called them "Jefferson Sellout." A decade later, when Paul Kantner left and took Jefferson with him, it was just "Sellout."
:-D :clap:
Quote from: hbelkins on June 18, 2019, 12:20:44 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 17, 2019, 12:26:44 PM
And there's a reason Megadeth's "Mechanix" and Metallica's "Four Horsemen" sound alike.
Ironically, the news broke yesterday afternoon that Dave Mustaine has throat cancer and Megadeth is calling off their tour.
They were scheduled to be the main stage ('American Family Insurance Amphitheater') act at Summerfest in Milwaukee on 2019-07-04. That stage will be dark that night instead, no replacement act will be booked.
:no:
Mike
Quote from: golden eagle on March 16, 2019, 06:49:55 PM
I remember Foreigner having a different lead singer in the early 90s, but Lou Gramm rejoined later and even had a minor hit.
10,000 Maniacs should’ve given up after Natalie Merchant called it quits.
funny, as much as I couldn't stand Natalie's solo stuff and really liked the Maniacs, they sure fizzled when she left.
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on March 17, 2019, 02:04:27 AM
Quote from: FightingIrish on March 16, 2019, 11:01:34 PM
Anyone ever hear the two Doors albums that were recorded as a trio after Jim Morrison died? I've heard them. Not very memorable.
Despite his his fellow band members' talent, the reality was that Jim Morrison WAS The Doors, as far as their fans were concerned. Manzarek, Krieger, and John Densmore should have taken the hint, and called it quits when Morrison died in 1971.
The Doors were sometimes marketed as Jim Morrison's band. Several of their album covers feature large pictures of Morrison and small pictures of the other band members. Hell, they named their fifth album "Morrison Hotel". I am of the opinion that all four band members were equally important and a version of the Doors without Jim Morrison lacked the magic they had with Morrison.
Quote from: hbelkins on June 17, 2019, 12:26:44 PM
Quote from: spooky on April 15, 2019, 07:19:24 AM
I'm always fascinated by '80s metal bands that play on with different members and sometimes splinter off into two different groups.
And there's a reason Megadeth's "Mechanix" and Metallica's "Four Horsemen" sound alike.
Temple of the Dog has a song called "Times of Trouble" that uses the same music with Pearl Jam's "Footsteps" The music for both songs was written by Stone Gossard who was in both bands at the time. Chris Cornell wrote the lyrics for "Times of Trouble" while Eddie Vedder wrote the lyrics for "Footsteps".
"Times of Trouble":
https://youtu.be/ZcL3M6B-WR4</youtube>
"Footsteps":
https://youtu.be/DUd9PaWXRSk</youtube>
Three Dog Night kicked out Chuck Negron in the mid 80s and went along with Cory Wells & Danny Hutton as the two singers with Cory taking Chuck's songs. Danny only sang Liar & Black and White. Cory died a few years ago and they got a new guy and Danny (the only dog left) still only sings two songs.
Quote from: abefroman329 on April 11, 2019, 10:13:26 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 11, 2019, 08:19:55 PM
Saw someone basically claiming "sacrilege" today because Steely Dan is still performing.
" Sacrilege" is strong, but as far as I'm concerned, the band was Becker and Fagen.
I got to see Steely Dan in concert last year. From what I can gather, Donald Fagen won't do any Dan tunes when he tours as himself, and he doesn't do any of his solo stuff when he tours as Dan. It was still an amazing show. The drum solo during Aja was probably the best thing I have ever heard in my life.
Quote from: inkyatari on June 19, 2019, 02:33:48 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on April 11, 2019, 10:13:26 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 11, 2019, 08:19:55 PM
Saw someone basically claiming "sacrilege" today because Steely Dan is still performing.
" Sacrilege" is strong, but as far as I'm concerned, the band was Becker and Fagen.
I got to see Steely Dan in concert last year. From what I can gather, Donald Fagen won't do any Dan tunes when he tours as himself, and he doesn't do any of his solo stuff when he tours as Dan. It was still an amazing show. The drum solo during Aja was probably the best thing I have ever heard in my life.
I remember hearing a while back that he wanted to retire the Steely Dan name but then wasn't contractually allowed to. Then later on there have been a few legal squabbles between the Becker estate and Fagen over band ownership.
Interestingly, while I like the classic era SD material (and saw them live twice in 2006), I prefer Walt's solo career significantly over Don's.
Quote from: hbelkins on June 17, 2019, 12:26:44 PM
Quote from: spooky on April 15, 2019, 07:19:24 AM
I'm always fascinated by '80s metal bands that play on with different members and sometimes splinter off into two different groups.
Every now and then, one of those "ancestry charts" will float across my Facebook feed. It's amazing how much incestuousness (for lack of a better term) takes place with a lot of those bands. And it's not just 80s bands, either. There's a lot of cross-pollination (again, for lack of a better term) in acts dating back to the 60s and 70s.
Just to boil it down to something quick for those who haven't looked into it, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Rainbow and Whitesnake could probably all play each other's songs without looking them up at various points in their careers
For example, I'm pretty sure Neil Murray and Cozy Powell have been in all of those bands.
Grand Funk Railroad is not the same without Mark Farmner. However his move to Christian music is helping him bring the old Gran Funk to his new followers especially when he remade Some Kind of Wonderful into a Christian Song about his love for his new passion!
Quote from: roadman65 on June 21, 2019, 09:17:50 AM
Grand Funk Railroad is not the same without Mark Farmner. However his move to Christian music is helping him bring the old Gran Funk to his new followers especially when he remade Some Kind of Wonderful into a Christian Song about his love for his new passion!
Indeed, this is true.