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Title: Minor things that bother you
Post by: planxtymcgillicuddy on November 27, 2019, 12:15:11 AM
For me, it bugs me that Hershey's chocolate and Hershey's ice cream are run by two completely different companies, especially with both being in such close proximity to each other.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Tonytone on November 27, 2019, 12:17:13 AM
When drivers sit in two lanes taking up space that could have been used, by 4 cars.

Its worse then a 1950’s garage filled with junk


iPhone
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 27, 2019, 12:27:08 AM
I'm pretty introverted in day to day life which translates into a lot of annoyances/pet-peeves:

Any of the following at the gym:

-  Sitting on weight benches and texting on the phone.
-  Stopping to talk to everyone and calling them "hey bro."
-  No racking weights or putting them in the wrong place.
-  Clanking machines.
-  "Popular" music stations way too loud on the overhead.

Usually I go lift at least four times a week so stuff tends to grind on the nerves after twenty years.


With work:

-  Small talk and/or water cooler talk.
-  Complaining about minor issues like not getting along 100% with co-workers or some bizarre far fetched safety issue.
-  Meetings, especially when people feel the need to expound on something that pertains only to them for a lengthy amount of time.
-  Conference calls, I can't understand why group emails or one-on-one calls aren't sufficient?

General life

-  I'm just not a fan of small talk.  I don't feel the need to talk constantly with people I know just as with employees and/or co-workers.
-  Staying too late at functions with friends or family gatherings.
-  Long lines at the store, places to eat, movies or really anything else.



Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kurumi on November 27, 2019, 11:46:15 AM
People who use @here on Slack

The noisy, whiny, frenetic way TunnelBlick deals with what should be a simple, invisible task

Songs with the I - V - vi - IV chord progression

BGSes in the Goiden State

1950’s garages filled with junk
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman on November 27, 2019, 12:04:51 PM
At a pair of doors, when people will wait for someone leaving the building to open the exit door and sneak through there instead of opening the entrance door themselves.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on November 27, 2019, 12:15:36 PM
Plastic food packages that are impossible to open without ripping.
People who don't put the seat belt all the way into the slot before getting out of the car.
Christmas music before Thanksgiving.
Resonant snare buzz.
The phrase "it is what it is".
Drivers stopping within the crosswalk (or even past the stop bar at all) at a red light.
Loud cell phone ringtones.
People who don't flush the urinal.
Crunchy things in egg salad or deviled eggs.
The phrase "I know, right".
Zippers that tend to get fabric stuck in them.
Toilet paper that's too soft to successfully do its job.
Vitamins A and D not being added to low-fat milk.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: gonealookin on November 27, 2019, 12:22:08 PM
At the grocery store, when the old lady in front of me in line (it's always an old lady) has a bill of $9.48, and after peeling the five and four ones off her stack, goes digging through her coin purse until she finds exactly 48 cents.

The word "trickeration" used by football announcers.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: TheGrassGuy on November 27, 2019, 12:25:45 PM
Christmas music before Thanksgiving.
Too true. For me, it's the fact that so many new interstates such as I-22, I-2, and I-41 are completely redundant with U.S. routes.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: LM117 on November 27, 2019, 12:49:18 PM
Christmas music before Thanksgiving.

Same, and I'll take it a step further and say that it's ridiculous to start selling Christmas items in early September before the first day of Fall even hits. Same with Halloween items being put out the last week of July, Valentine's items during the last couple weeks of December, and Easter items before Valentine's Day.

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Toilet paper that's too soft to successfully do its job.

My gripe with that is that they tend to clog toilets. That's why I prefer either Angel Soft or the dollar store brands.

At the grocery store, when the old lady in front of me in line (it's always an old lady) has a bill of $9.48, and after peeling the five and four ones off her stack, goes digging through her coin purse until she finds exactly 48 cents.

My mother is the same damn way (though she's only 51). It pisses me off when she does it, especially when there's a long line behind us. She hates breaking up dollar bills.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: webny99 on November 27, 2019, 01:27:18 PM
People who don't put the seat belt all the way into the slot before getting out of the car.

Aren't most seat belts designed to do that automatically these days?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Flint1979 on November 27, 2019, 01:34:23 PM
Slow people getting in my way
A highway such as I-94 and US-23 only having two lanes on a very busy stretch
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Tonytone on November 27, 2019, 01:38:37 PM
Plastic food packages that are impossible to open without ripping.
People who don't put the seat belt all the way into the slot before getting out of the car.
Christmas music before Thanksgiving.
Resonant snare buzz.
The phrase "it is what it is".
Drivers stopping within the crosswalk (or even past the stop bar at all) at a red light.
Loud cell phone ringtones.
People who don't flush the urinal.
Crunchy things in egg salad or deviled eggs.
The phrase "I know, right".
Zippers that tend to get fabric stuck in them.
Toilet paper that's too soft to successfully do its job.
Vitamins A and D not being added to low-fat milk.
Funny enough I didnt hear any Christmas music in stores or even *looks around* Walmart!  Was this because of the new study that just came out saying Christmas music makes people nervous? Hmmmm interesting.


iPhone
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on November 27, 2019, 01:50:35 PM
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on November 27, 2019, 02:29:15 PM
Cashiers having to break open a new roll of coins because not enough people pay with exact change.   :awesomeface:




People who don't put the seat belt all the way into the slot before getting out of the car.

Aren't most seat belts designed to do that automatically these days?

If the mechanism doesn't work as well as it should, or if the belt is twisted, or if enough of the belt is pulled out such that gravity works against the mechanism—then it won't necessarily go up on its own.  Some people just don't care and leave it all strung out in the seat or—more annoyingly—to get wedged when the door shuts, perhaps even with a bit sticking outside the car.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on November 27, 2019, 02:56:12 PM
—People in my neighborhood who put out their trash on Sunday morning for Monday pickup instead of waiting until after sunset. Also, people who put their trash out when it’s a holiday with no trash pickup (like Thanksgiving) and then leave it out there for four days as if that’ll get the garbage men to come pick it up. This is all the more annoying when it’s windy.

—People who stand on the left on the Metro escalator and get mad when you say “Excuse me, please” when you want to get past because you know your train is coming. (It seems to me saying “excuse me, please” is polite because a rude person would shove past.)

—This one no doubt comes from having a mother who taught English: Seeing a date written midsentence in the usual American order without a comma after the year. Proper punctuation calls for commas both before and after the year: “The Super Bowl will be played on February 2, 2020, in Miami Gardens, Florida.” A lot of people omit the second comma for some reason. (The same rule would apply following the state name if the sentence continued.) The year is in the nature of an appositive in that it tells you which February 2 it is—or, put differently, the sentence would be fine, though less specific, without the year.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on November 27, 2019, 03:03:43 PM
—People in my neighborhood who put out their trash on Sunday morning for Monday pickup instead of waiting until after sunset. Also, people who put their trash out when it’s a holiday with no trash pickup (like Thanksgiving) and then leave it out there for four days as if that’ll get the garbage men to come pick it up. This is all the more annoying when it’s windy.

I have no idea what my trash collection company's holidays are.  So I put my trash out in case they work on a day I might assume they'd be off.  If they don't come by because apparently they weren't working that day, then I also don't know what day they will be coming to pick it up.  So I keep it out there until they do.  It beats having two week's worth of trash in the can.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on November 27, 2019, 03:07:37 PM
Standing left on a Metro escalator was a biggie when I commuted from Greenbelt to Dupont Circle.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on November 27, 2019, 03:26:05 PM
—People in my neighborhood who put out their trash on Sunday morning for Monday pickup instead of waiting until after sunset. Also, people who put their trash out when it’s a holiday with no trash pickup (like Thanksgiving) and then leave it out there for four days as if that’ll get the garbage men to come pick it up. This is all the more annoying when it’s windy.

I have no idea what my trash collection company's holidays are.  So I put my trash out in case they work on a day I might assume they'd be off.  If they don't come by because apparently they weren't working that day, then I also don't know what day they will be coming to pick it up.  So I keep it out there until they do.  It beats having two week's worth of trash in the can.

Ours is simple: If trash day falls on July 4, Thanksgiving, Christmas, or New Year’s, the pickup is cancelled. The year before last this one guy put his trash out for New Year’s even though there was no pickup and left it there all week despite howling winds. It kept blowing into our yard, so I picked it all up and dumped it all on his front stoop, which is sheltered and out of the wind. Damn annoying. Just because the trash is out for pickup doesn’t mean it’s no longer your trash and no longer your responsibility (obviously “your” not meaning kphoger).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on November 27, 2019, 03:31:32 PM
People who say, for example, "Two thousand and nineteen" instead of "Twenty nineteen."

The "Two thousand and … " should be for 1 thru 9, not for 10 and above. 

Mercy, we are 19 years into this century and I still frequently hear this!

Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on November 27, 2019, 03:38:53 PM


—People in my neighborhood who put out their trash on Sunday morning for Monday pickup instead of waiting until after sunset. Also, people who put their trash out when it’s a holiday with no trash pickup (like Thanksgiving) and then leave it out there for four days as if that’ll get the garbage men to come pick it up. This is all the more annoying when it’s windy.

I have no idea what my trash collection company's holidays are.  So I put my trash out in case they work on a day I might assume they'd be off.  If they don't come by because apparently they weren't working that day, then I also don't know what day they will be coming to pick it up.  So I keep it out there until they do.  It beats having two week's worth of trash in the can.

Ours is simple: If trash day falls on July 4, Thanksgiving, Christmas, or New Year’s, the pickup is cancelled. The year before last this one guy put his trash out for New Year’s even though there was no pickup and left it there all week despite howling winds. It kept blowing into our yard, so I picked it all up and dumped it all on his front stoop, which is sheltered and out of the wind. Damn annoying. Just because the trash is out for pickup doesn’t mean it’s no longer your trash and no longer your responsibility (obviously “your” not meaning kphoger).

meh.  I still don't know what days my trash company has off, don't know how I would find out, and frankly don't intend to.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: wxfree on November 27, 2019, 03:43:26 PM
People who say, for example, "Two thousand and nineteen" instead of "Twenty nineteen."

The "Two thousand and … " should be for 1 thru 9, not for 10 and above. 

Mercy, we are 19 years into this century and I still frequently hear this!

I thought it would be twenty-ten that changed that, but it didn't.  We get one more chance, in twenty-twenty, and I'm still hopeful because that's also a term that's been in use historically so people are accustomed to saying it.  If it doesn't change next year, we'll be locked into "two thousand exty ex" for the rest of the century.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on November 27, 2019, 03:52:34 PM
If it doesn't change next year, we'll be locked into "two thousand exty ex" for the rest of the century.

I don't think that's how language works.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on November 27, 2019, 03:53:41 PM
People who say, for example, "Two thousand and nineteen" instead of "Twenty nineteen."
The "Two thousand and … " should be for 1 thru 9, not for 10 and above. 
Mercy, we are 19 years into this century and I still frequently hear this!
I thought it would be twenty-ten that changed that, but it didn't.  We get one more chance, in twenty-twenty, and I'm still hopeful because that's also a term that's been in use historically so people are accustomed to saying it.  If it doesn't change next year, we'll be locked into "two thousand exty ex" for the rest of the century.

"Two thousand and ninety nine."
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on November 27, 2019, 04:10:35 PM
People that don't use turn signals. The main reason I almost never obey a certain traffic signal near me.

Certain American customs that bother me are too major for this thread.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on November 27, 2019, 04:14:10 PM
Certain American customs that bother me are too major for this thread.

Peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, huh?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: KEVIN_224 on November 27, 2019, 04:15:18 PM
People who say, for example, "Two thousand and nineteen" instead of "Twenty nineteen."

The "Two thousand and … " should be for 1 thru 9, not for 10 and above. 

Mercy, we are 19 years into this century and I still frequently hear this!

Have Barbara Walters bitch slap them. It'd be a reminder to say it the proper way: "THIS...is Twenty-twenty!"  :D

I also hate "the" before any road or interstate in California.  :banghead:

Also, when "and" is used by anybody running a cash register. No, lady. My total today was Two dollars, eighty nine cents. That's it.  :rolleyes:

Don't get me started with the push for Halloween before Christmas in some circumstances.  :no:

I'll throw in one major one for me: The use of "Eve" before Christmas Day and New Year's Day. These people treat December 24th and 31st as if they're their own standalone holidays themselves. Does anybody say "Happy July 4th Eve!"? Um...NO!!
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on November 27, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
Certain American customs that bother me are too major for this thread.

Like referring to American football as "football"?  :-)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on November 27, 2019, 04:20:11 PM
Also, when "and" is used by anybody running a cash register. No, lady. My total today was Two dollars, eighty nine cents. That's it.  :rolleyes:

The "and" doesn't convey any inaccurate information.  If you have two dollars and you also have eighty-nine cents, then you have $2.89.

(Apparently it must not bother you when people don't use a hyphen when writing out compound numbers.)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: KEVIN_224 on November 27, 2019, 04:22:43 PM
Thank you! I always thought "AND" was some mystery 75 cent piece which nobody knew existed!

Quarter...
Half Dollar...
AND...
Dollar bill or gold dollar coin.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 27, 2019, 04:27:20 PM
Certain American customs that bother me are too major for this thread.

Like referring to American football as "football"?  :-)

Harder work means better work always gotten under my skin and seems to be almost an exclusively American custom. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: TheGrassGuy on November 27, 2019, 04:33:02 PM
"Me and Joey went to the park." Hel-lo! It's "Joey and I went to the park."
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: GaryV on November 27, 2019, 05:11:26 PM
"Me and Joey went to the park." Hel-lo! It's "Joey and I went to the park."

Yes, but the ball that we played with in the park belongs to Joey and me.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on November 27, 2019, 05:14:36 PM

Also, when "and" is used by anybody running a cash register. No, lady. My total today was Two dollars, eighty nine cents. That's it.  :rolleyes:

The "and" doesn't convey any inaccurate information.  If you have two dollars and you also have eighty-nine cents, then you have $2.89.

(Apparently it must not bother you when people don't use a hyphen when writing out compound numbers.)

Thank you! I always thought "AND" was some mystery 75 cent piece which nobody knew existed!

Quarter...
Half Dollar...
AND...
Dollar bill or gold dollar coin.

I think you misunderstood my post.  I meant that there's no real reason to dislike the "and".  It doesn't mess up the meaning one bit.

Does it bother you when people put "and" in other things? such as...
"It's eleven months, sixteen days, five hours, and twenty minutes until Christmas."
"I want all of them cut to exactly six feet and two inches long."
"Ah, but there are three hundred and sixty-four unbirthdays!" (sang the Mad Hatter)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: KEVIN_224 on November 27, 2019, 06:40:34 PM
I forgot about the hyphen in numbers spelled out. Shows you I don't spell them out often!  :paranoid:

My current age is 48 years, 9 months and 3 days. I only used "and" there since there was no second comma used. However, I think that was just mentioned in another thread.  :-D
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Brandon on November 27, 2019, 06:50:36 PM
People who have no idea that an “r” is supposed to be pronounced in words and isn’t a placeholder.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on November 27, 2019, 07:27:17 PM
How about using slashes instead of hyphens in dates, and leaving out the century?

11/27/19  instead of  11-27-2019
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on November 27, 2019, 07:47:45 PM
2019-11-27.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 27, 2019, 07:48:38 PM
How about using slashes instead of hyphens in dates, and leaving out the century?

11/27/19  instead of  11-27-2019

Or you could use the DOD format of; 27NOV2019.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: webny99 on November 27, 2019, 08:06:13 PM
How about using slashes instead of hyphens in dates, and leaving out the century?
11/27/19  instead of  11-27-2019
Or you could use the DOD format of; 27NOV2019.

I actually have my own brand: 11.27.2019

I dislike dashes because it's hard to make them look good when hand writing.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on November 27, 2019, 08:46:25 PM
I don’t like “dot dates” or “dot phone numbers” because they look too much like IP addresses.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 27, 2019, 09:05:08 PM
How about using slashes instead of hyphens in dates, and leaving out the century?

11/27/19  instead of  11-27-2019

For computer file names, slashes can't be used so I tend to use dashes all the time. Or, simply 112919.

I do get annoyed though when I need to type all 4 digits of the year. For most things, I'm not talking about 1919!!

Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on November 27, 2019, 09:15:27 PM
How about using slashes instead of hyphens in dates, and leaving out the century?
11/27/19  instead of  11-27-2019
For computer file names, slashes can't be used so I tend to use dashes all the time. Or, simply 112919.
I do get annoyed though when I need to type all 4 digits of the year. For most things, I'm not talking about 1919!!
True, but 12-11-19 could be 2019 or 2012 depending on where the writer was placing the year.

With me it is a post-Y2K thing.  Back when the year was 32 or higher, confusion was not possible, so I usually did not show the century.  Ex.: 7-21-92.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on November 27, 2019, 09:49:24 PM
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1 on November 27, 2019, 09:56:12 PM
For computer file names, slashes can't be used so I tend to use dashes all the time. Or, simply 112919.

Putting the year first allows for chronological file sorting.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 27, 2019, 10:10:36 PM
For computer file names, slashes can't be used so I tend to use dashes all the time. Or, simply 112919.

Putting the year first allows for chronological file sorting.

The convention I use is; Year, month, date and topic.  Example; 2019 11 27 maps. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: vdeane on November 27, 2019, 10:40:49 PM
  • People who ignore the Oxford comma
  • People who call custard "ice cream"
I'm not going to lie, the only time I've EVER heard "custard" (the food item, not the general) is on Doctor Who.  Knowing that custard is ice cream, that explains so much about The Eleventh Hour.  I was wondering why Amelia Pond was eating directly out of an ice creme container while the Doctor had his fish fingers and custard!
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Big John on November 27, 2019, 10:51:59 PM
^^ The difference between ice cream and frozen custard are the eggs.  Custard contain eggs and ice cream doesn't.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 28, 2019, 12:11:16 AM
For computer file names, slashes can't be used so I tend to use dashes all the time. Or, simply 112919.

Putting the year first allows for chronological file sorting.

So does using the leading 0 for months Jan thru Sept when only concerned about one year.  Aug 13, 2019 is 081319. Oct 18, 2019 is 101819. Aug will show up first.

Since I use folders based on the year, I don't need to worry about multi year issues.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on November 28, 2019, 06:17:46 AM
For computer file names, slashes can't be used so I tend to use dashes all the time. Or, simply 112919.
Putting the year first allows for chronological file sorting.
So does using the leading 0 for months Jan thru Sept when only concerned about one year.  Aug 13, 2019 is 081319. Oct 18, 2019 is 10182019. Aug will show up first.
Computer data has the leading zero, such as the 081219.

I agree that 08-12-2019 looks awkward.  When printing out on a report normally the leading zero would be suppressed -- 8-12-2019.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Brandon on November 28, 2019, 07:11:50 AM
  • People who ignore the Oxford comma
  • People who call custard "ice cream"
I'm not going to lie, the only time I've EVER heard "custard" (the food item, not the general) is on Doctor Who.  Knowing that custard is ice cream, that explains so much about The Eleventh Hour.  I was wondering why Amelia Pond was eating directly out of an ice creme container while the Doctor had his fish fingers and custard!

Frozen custard (similar to ice cream, but made with eggs), and custard are two different things.  You don't freeze regular custard; it goes into the fridge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_custard
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on November 28, 2019, 08:14:56 AM
How about using slashes instead of hyphens in dates, and leaving out the century?

11/27/19  instead of  11-27-2019

Precisely that date format, month-day-year, is one of those "certain American customs that bother me" I believe are too much for this thread. It makes no sense, having no order. I tend to follow local usage and thus I use month-day here, but when adding the year I use this format so the date remains sorted:
2019-11-27.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: TheGrassGuy on November 28, 2019, 12:26:42 PM
2 ads in YouTube. Need I say more?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 28, 2019, 01:26:13 PM
2 ads in YouTube. Need I say more?

I'm more ticked off that they try to restrict content now by taking away the ability to make money on videos that don't meet content requirements.  Youtube was way more fun when it was an assortment of Youtube Poops cut from 80s cartoons. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: mgk920 on November 28, 2019, 02:15:06 PM
Me....

- Twisted up cords
- It's *soda*, dammit!   :angry:
- I agree on dates, it is YYYY-MM-DD
- People who put apostrophe's into their plural's
- Yes, use ya blinkahs!
- No, I do NOT consider an IPA, nor a 'sour', to be a legitimate beer.

Mike
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on November 28, 2019, 07:41:19 PM
How about using slashes instead of hyphens in dates, and leaving out the century?
11/27/19  instead of  11-27-2019
Precisely that date format, month-day-year, is one of those "certain American customs that bother me" I believe are too much for this thread. It makes no sense, having no order. I tend to follow local usage and thus I use month-day here, but when adding the year I use this format so the date remains sorted:
2019-11-27.

CCYY-MM-DD works just as well as MM-DD-CCYY.

Microsoft Office products such as Word, Excel and Access have a list of date formats that are perfectly valid to use.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: TheGrassGuy on November 28, 2019, 09:21:40 PM
- It's *soda*, dammit!   :angry:
"jimmies"
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: wanderer2575 on November 28, 2019, 09:43:24 PM
*  Photocopies made in landscape orientation, not portrait.  Shrink it if you have to, but don't turn it sideways.

*  Incorrect use of "less" when it should be "fewer," and "amount" when it should be "number."  Also, singular use of plural pronouns, e.g. "I talked to the person and they said..."

*  Performers of the national anthem at sporting events who think it's an opportunity to display artistic interpretation or have a jam session.

*  Motorists using their turn signal when exiting.  (I allow an exception when done as a warning where poor design requires motorists to reduce speed while still in the thru lane.)  Double-bother when said motorists don't turn off the blinker after exiting, and turn left at the top of the ramp with the right-turn blinker still active.

*  Oblivious people who completely block the aisle while searching for an item at a grocery store.

*  Small talk.

*  Insurance company television commercials.  Geico started the humor trend and they've done some good ones, and the Allstate Mayhem Guy ones are usually pretty good, but now everyone else is trying to be funny and they're failing miserably.  Note to Liberty, State Farm, and The General:  Give it up; your "humor" is flatter than the proverbial pancake.

Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on November 28, 2019, 11:32:21 PM
The annoyance with landscape orientation is a headscratcher to me.  In my years of dealing with spreadsheets, landscape is much preferred compared to some sort of vertical break that requires you to flip back and forth to see the whole sheet just to stick to portrait.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Tonytone on November 29, 2019, 12:54:34 AM
2 ads in YouTube. Need I say more?

I'm more ticked off that they try to restrict content now by taking away the ability to make money on videos that don't meet content requirements.  Youtube was way more fun when it was an assortment of Youtube Poops cut from 80s cartoons.
This! & I just got 3 ads on a youtube video the other day. At the same time.


iPhone
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: US 89 on November 29, 2019, 01:04:45 AM
*  Motorists using their turn signal when exiting.

I disagree, because communicating your intentions is always valuable to other drivers on the road. Also, isn’t this legally required in most states anyway?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on November 29, 2019, 04:32:17 AM
Also, singular use of plural pronouns, e.g. "I talked to the person and they said..."

In that vein, while I respect people who decide their pronouns aren't the binary ones (he/his and she/her), why they choose "they/them"? They imply more than one, so I don't see why they have to designate an individual, and besides, there is already "it" as a gender-neutral singular pronoun.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: TheHighwayMan394 on November 29, 2019, 06:42:36 AM
Also, singular use of plural pronouns, e.g. "I talked to the person and they said..."

In that vein, while I respect people who decide their pronouns aren't the binary ones (he/his and she/her), why they choose "they/them"? They imply more than one, so I don't see why they have to designate an individual, and besides, there is already "it" as a gender-neutral singular pronoun.

In English language practice, "it" implies a lack of humanity that generates extreme discomfort for usage in regards to referring to a person.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Brandon on November 29, 2019, 06:56:17 AM
Also, singular use of plural pronouns, e.g. "I talked to the person and they said..."

In that vein, while I respect people who decide their pronouns aren't the binary ones (he/his and she/her), why they choose "they/them"? They imply more than one, so I don't see why they have to designate an individual, and besides, there is already "it" as a gender-neutral singular pronoun.

"They"/"them" is the plural, and should never be used in the singular.  The gender-neutrals are "it" and "one".  Otherwise, "he" and "she" should be used or "he/she".  Let's stop abusing the English language.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: wanderer2575 on November 29, 2019, 07:22:46 AM
The annoyance with landscape orientation is a headscratcher to me.  In my years of dealing with spreadsheets, landscape is much preferred compared to some sort of vertical break that requires you to flip back and forth to see the whole sheet just to stick to portrait.

I don't really have a problem with a wide spreadsheet.  It's when a document 8.5 inches (or maybe even a little wider) is copied on its side that drives me nuts.

*  Motorists using their turn signal when exiting.

I disagree, because communicating your intentions is always valuable to other drivers on the road. Also, isn’t this legally required in most states anyway?


Moving into a previously existing lane, absolutely.  Signalling when moving into a new lane at the point it opens up is pointless.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MNHighwayMan on November 29, 2019, 10:12:09 AM
The phrase "I know, right".

I know, right?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman on November 29, 2019, 10:37:06 AM
Younger people who can't speak without saying "like" every third word.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 29, 2019, 10:37:28 AM
The phrase "I know, right".

I know, right?

“It is what it is” gets my nerves way more.  The new annoying phrase that’s catching on is “there is a lot to unpack here.”
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on November 29, 2019, 10:38:26 AM
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman on November 29, 2019, 10:41:19 AM
The phrase "I know, right".

I know, right?

“It is what it is” gets my nerves way more.  The new annoying phrase that’s catching on is “there is a lot to unpack here.”

"You know what I mean?"  No, I don't know what you mean.  And you shouldn't assume I do.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 29, 2019, 10:41:50 AM
  • Electronic documents that have pages in different orientations. I can understand if the document was scanned, but the ones I'm referring to originated as Word and CAD files...never even making their way to paper.
  • Electronic documents that need to be filled out, but don't have fields built in to do so without the PDF typewriter tool
  • Tech illiterate people insisting on using the self-checkouts
  • Shoppers who blatantly ignore the 10/20 items or less signs
  • Sales people who hover or ask if you need help every 5 minutes
  • The same threads that show up year after year after year

Regarding the sales people, that’s probably a theft deterrent technique that retailers are teaching employees.  Basically one of the newer approaches is to annoy shoplifters out of the store before they steal.  The problem is that it tends to bleed over into normal shoppers as well. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on November 29, 2019, 10:42:02 AM
People who refer to a lectern as a podium.  People who talk about "reaching out" to someone.  Nose rings. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on November 29, 2019, 10:42:21 AM
The phrase "I know, right".

I know, right?

“It is what it is” gets my nerves way more.  The new annoying phrase that’s catching on is “there is a lot to unpack here.”

"You know what I mean?"  No, I don't know what I mean.  And you shouldn't assume I do.

My boss uses that one like it's a period to a sentence  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on November 29, 2019, 10:43:29 AM
At a pair of doors, when people will wait for someone leaving the building to open the exit door and sneak through there instead of opening the entrance door themselves.

….bathroom doors that open in.  wash your hands and then touch the door handle of others that didn't wash.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 29, 2019, 10:44:17 AM
The phrase "I know, right".

I know, right?

“It is what it is” gets my nerves way more.  The new annoying phrase that’s catching on is “there is a lot to unpack here.”

"You know what I mean?"  No, I don't know what I mean.  And you shouldn't assume I do.

My boss uses that one like it's a period to a sentence  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Maybe your boss is a “boss” in a local crime family? 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on November 29, 2019, 10:46:17 AM
In football: not using analytics and therefore punting the ball away on 4th and 1 just so they don't get criticized; overcalling of penalties.  Having two football teams in Los Angeles.  Not going to an 18 game schedule/having those ridiculous pre-season games. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 29, 2019, 10:47:49 AM
In football: not using analytics and therefore punting the ball away on 4th and 1 just so they don't get criticized; overcalling of penalties.  Having two football teams in Los Angeles.  Not going to an 18 game schedule/having those ridiculous pre-season games.

Just think of the Chargers as being from San Diego, everyone in California still does. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on November 29, 2019, 10:48:48 AM
Also, singular use of plural pronouns, e.g. "I talked to the person and they said..."


I watch too much Judge Judy I keep thinking "you can't tell me what someone else said that's hearsay"
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on November 29, 2019, 10:50:05 AM
In football: not using analytics and therefore punting the ball away on 4th and 1 just so they don't get criticized; overcalling of penalties.  Having two football teams in Los Angeles.  Not going to an 18 game schedule/having those ridiculous pre-season games.

Just think of the Chargers as being from San Diego, everyone in California still does. 

lol.  I think they should just be a traveling team.  4 games in London, 1 in Mexico City, 1 in Toronto, and put the other 2 in potential expansion cities every year like San Antonio, Sacramento, etc.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 29, 2019, 10:55:35 AM
In football: not using analytics and therefore punting the ball away on 4th and 1 just so they don't get criticized; overcalling of penalties.  Having two football teams in Los Angeles.  Not going to an 18 game schedule/having those ridiculous pre-season games.

Just think of the Chargers as being from San Diego, everyone in California still does. 

lol.  I think they should just be a traveling team.  4 games in London, 1 in Mexico City, 1 in Toronto, and put the other 2 in potential expansion cities every year like San Antonio, Sacramento, etc.

Hell if the Chargers moved to Sacramento they probably would get a decent draw from all the Central Valley people who want nothing to do with the Bay Area or Los Angeles.  What I always found odd was that for some reason the Raiders are the media darling of the California teams but really have a tiny following compared to the Rams and 49ers. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman on November 29, 2019, 11:15:16 AM
In football: not using analytics and therefore punting the ball away on 4th and 1 just so they don't get criticized; overcalling of penalties.  Having two football teams in Los Angeles.  Not going to an 18 game schedule/having those ridiculous pre-season games. 

The "pass interference" call.  Isn't that the defender's job?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on November 29, 2019, 12:14:41 PM
In football: not using analytics and therefore punting the ball away on 4th and 1 just so they don't get criticized; overcalling of penalties.  Having two football teams in Los Angeles.  Not going to an 18 game schedule/having those ridiculous pre-season games. 

The "pass interference" call.  Isn't that the defender's job?

I hate "offensive pass interference".  The QB Is not passing to the defense!!!!!
Title: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on November 29, 2019, 12:50:18 PM
Something I thought of while reading this morning's newspaper: It drives me crazy when some people insist you can't split an auxiliary verb from the main verb with an adverb. Those people would object to "He will usually take an extreme position" because they say you should not split the verb phrase "will take," so they'll insist you must write "He usually will take an extreme position." A former boss of mine insisted on this construction and it led to bizarre sentences like "We will analyze carefully the documents you sent us."

A well-known proponent of not splitting the verb is Chief Justice Roberts, and there's some suggestion that his insistence on this practice may be why he flubbed the presidential oath of office at Obama's first inauguration. The oath is prescribed by the Constitution: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States ...." Roberts objects to splitting a verb phrase, so "I will faithfully execute" is a repugnant phrase to him. He instead said, "I will execute the office of President of the United States faithfully." (Actually, he also messed up and said "President to the United States.") Roberts's construction introduces too much separation between the adverb and the verb, never mind the bigger issue that the Constitution prescribes particular language anyway.

In some situations, I think not splitting the verb can arguably change a sentence's meaning. A Washington Post sports article talking about NHL free agency once said something like, "The Capitals only can offer him a seven-year contract." The issue related to a CBA provision limiting contract length such that a team can re-sign its own free agent to an eight-year contract, but other teams are limited to offering the same guy a maximum seven-year contract. Saying "the Capitals only can offer him a seven-year contract" arguably suggests the Capitals are the only team who can offer the seven-year deal, but that's wrong because it's not what the CBA says. The sentence should have said, "The Capitals can only offer him a seven-year contract," especially when you're comparing it to another team being able to offer an eight-year deal: "The Islanders can offer him an eight-year contract. The Capitals can only offer him seven years."



Edited to add: Shortly after I posted that, I looked at the Post's website and found this headline. Ugh. The better wording would be "Bill Peters will no longer coach ...."

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Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman on November 29, 2019, 01:10:55 PM
Phrases like "The official spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the investigation." or similar.  Nothing but self-serving gloating.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: hbelkins on November 29, 2019, 02:03:32 PM
Also, singular use of plural pronouns, e.g. "I talked to the person and they said..."

In that vein, while I respect people who decide their pronouns aren't the binary ones (he/his and she/her), why they choose "they/them"? They imply more than one, so I don't see why they have to designate an individual, and besides, there is already "it" as a gender-neutral singular pronoun.

"They"/"them" is the plural, and should never be used in the singular.  The gender-neutrals are "it" and "one".  Otherwise, "he" and "she" should be used or "he/she".  Let's stop abusing the English language.

Would this be the place where I say that people who reject pronouns that are based on their DNA are really annoying?

As well as...

*High taxes
*Insecure national borders
*Groundless impeachment proceedings
*Overmoderation of this forum  :-D :-D
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on November 29, 2019, 02:20:27 PM
I watch too much Judge Judy I keep thinking "you can't tell me what someone else said that's hearsay"

I have no idea what Judge Judy is, so I cannot have said that. Therefore, FTFY.

(Also, English is not my first language. Spanish is, and we don't really have gender-neutral pronouns, because most things have gender, unlike English)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on November 29, 2019, 03:42:24 PM
Just filled my gas tank at a station.  Common gripes --

Not replacing the squeegees when they are worn out.  They stink, the fabric is coming apart, and the rubber blade doesn't track smoothly on the glass.  Also, not keeping the washer fluid filled.

Being able to clean your windows when you fill up should be a given part of the service when you buy fuel.

Another would be the receipt paper running out, and that means that you have to go inside the store and wait in line to get a receipt.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on November 29, 2019, 03:47:23 PM
Would this be the place where I say that people who reject pronouns that are based on their DNA are really annoying?
As well as...
*High taxes
*Insecure national borders
*Groundless impeachment proceedings
*Overmoderation of this forum  :-D :-D

How about calling people "anti-tax" and "anti-tax orthodoxists" when they oppose huge tax increases?

One of the writers for the Richmond Slimes-Dispatch has been doing that for at least 30 years.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on November 29, 2019, 04:21:58 PM


Also, singular use of plural pronouns, e.g. "I talked to the person and they said..."

In that vein, while I respect people who decide their pronouns aren't the binary ones (he/his and she/her), why they choose "they/them"? They imply more than one, so I don't see why they have to designate an individual, and besides, there is already "it" as a gender-neutral singular pronoun.

"They"/"them" is the plural, and should never be used in the singular.  The gender-neutrals are "it" and "one".  Otherwise, "he" and "she" should be used or "he/she".  Let's stop abusing the English language.

I used to be bothered by the singular "they" a lot more.  I'm consciously trying to be less bothered by it.  The reason is that the singular "they" has existed in the English language for more than 600 years.  What that means is that the singular "they" predates Modern English as a language.  It also means that the plural "they" only existed for about 100 years before it came to be used as a singular as well.  If the usage has that long and strong of a history in the English language, then I have a really hard time defending its deprecation.  However, having said, that, I still try to use "him" or "one" as often as possible, just because "they" still sounds wrong to my ears.



I have no idea what Judge Judy is

It's a person, not a thing.  :)



Speaking of YouTube ads...  I am slightly annoyed by two ads during or before a video.  But, what annoys me the most is when one of those ads is for YouTube itself, and it suggests I should pay money in order to avoid seeing that very ad in the future.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on November 29, 2019, 04:23:55 PM
Just filled my gas tank at a station.  Common gripes --

Not replacing the squeegees when they are worn out.  They stink, the fabric is coming apart, and the rubber blade doesn't track smoothly on the glass.  Also, not keeping the washer fluid filled.

Being able to clean your windows when you fill up should be a given part of the service when you buy fuel.

Another would be the receipt paper running out, and that means that you have to go inside the store and wait in line to get a receipt.

Here they don't put squeegees out because the bums steal them.  As far as paper 99% of cashiers are too lazy to go replace the paper.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on November 29, 2019, 04:32:15 PM
How about when the gas station doesn't use the winter blend soon enough, such that, when it's only 25 degrees outside, the reservoir of windshield cleaner is already a block of ice?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MNHighwayMan on November 29, 2019, 11:31:08 PM
As well as...

*High taxes
*Insecure national borders
*Groundless impeachment proceedings

Here's one: people that needlessly bring up politics in a non-political thread.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: ce929wax on November 30, 2019, 12:26:48 AM
It is NOT soda, it is pop.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2019, 12:31:10 AM
It is NOT soda, it is pop.

I can attest as a Michigan native more people around the country use “Soda” by a large margin.  Using Midwest slang didn’t do me favors when I moved in Middle School so I ended up dropping it quickly. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Flint1979 on November 30, 2019, 04:53:22 AM
I watch too much Judge Judy I keep thinking "you can't tell me what someone else said that's hearsay"

I have no idea what Judge Judy is, so I cannot have said that. Therefore, FTFY.

(Also, English is not my first language. Spanish is, and we don't really have gender-neutral pronouns, because most things have gender, unlike English)
You meant to say you have no idea who Judge Judy is. Judge Judy is a person not a thing. And Judge Judy is one of the highest rated Court television shows in the United States.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1 on November 30, 2019, 05:27:44 AM
University abbreviations that mean something else. UT, ND, and VT are states unrelated to the universities, and UK is a country.

Calling any indoor temperature "freezing".
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on November 30, 2019, 06:35:20 AM
In that vein, until not too long ago I frowned upon the usage of ETA as "Estimated Time of Arrival" or "Edited To Add". It also meant Euskadi Ta Askatasuna (Basque for "Basque Country and Liberty"), the Basque terrorist group which fortunately is now gone. Back when I was a child the Basque Country was "forbidden land" for me because of the terrorists and I embraced Catalonia, now due to happenings it's the other way round.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on November 30, 2019, 10:36:10 AM
University abbreviations that mean something else. UT, ND, and VT are states unrelated to the universities, and UK is a country.

Calling any indoor temperature "freezing".

"UT" and "ND" in reference to universities can be ambiguous, depending on where you are—I think of "UT" as referring to Tennessee, for example, especially because I had a college roommate from Nashville, but plenty of other people think of Texas when they hear those letters.

The University of Vermont is abbreviated as "UVM," short for the Latin for "University of the Green Mountains." The institution in Southwest Virginia that some people refer to as "VT" is also often known as "VPI" or "VPISU," both abbreviations for longer forms of that school's full name (the latter being odd as well because the "S" stands for "State," despite Virginia's well-known insistence on referring to itself as the "Commonwealth"). Apparently their administration didn't like it when people sounded out "VPISU" as "Vippy Sue."

Then you have the people from Chapel Hill who get outraged at references to today's Carolina–Clemson football game (at noon in Columbia).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on November 30, 2019, 10:58:51 AM
The institution in Southwest Virginia that some people refer to as "VT" is also often known as "VPI" or "VPISU," both abbreviations for longer forms of that school's full name (the latter being odd as well because the "S" stands for "State," despite Virginia's well-known insistence on referring to itself as the "Commonwealth"). Apparently their administration didn't like it when people sounded out "VPISU" as "Vippy Sue."
Here's some info from the school's branding guide.

Our official name is Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, but using the full name is cumbersome.  Thus, "Virginia Tech" is preferable in all but formal uses.  Virginia Tech is used in news releases, feature articles, academic journals, and publications and on the Web.

When using the full name of the university, never use an ampersand instead of "and."  Never use VPI&SU, VPI and SU, VA Tech, or Virginia Tech University.  "Tech" is acceptable after a first reference to "Virginia Tech," but it should not be used repeatedly or solely.  "VT" and "Va. Tech" are acceptable only in limited, informal situations, such as a news headline where space is tight.  Do not use "VT" or "Va. Tech" in body copy, in titles of publications, on signs (if space permits), or in any "formal" publication.

"VPI," which was the university's acronym/nickname from 1896 to 1970, should be used only in historical contexts.  The same is true for "VAMC," the university's acronym/nickname before 1896.


Virginia Agricultural and Mechanical College.

VPI was used much more routinely up until the 70's when it started to fall out of favor.  VT is just a nickname that has found favor over VPI.  VPI is still used though.  You'll see it engraved on some buildings and I believe the belt buckle on the corps uniforms says VPI.

I went to VCU so I am not a part of the VT/UVA rivalry, although my sister and her husband went to VT, and my mother got her masters at UVA Extension in NoVA.
 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 30, 2019, 11:35:23 AM
Quote
Performers of the national anthem at sporting events who think it's an opportunity to display artistic interpretation or have a jam session.

Especially when the team or association picked them to sing the National Anthem. These people just didn't walk on the field and started singing;  someone saw their audition tape and specifically selected them!
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 30, 2019, 11:36:59 AM
I watch too much Judge Judy I keep thinking "you can't tell me what someone else said that's hearsay"

I have no idea what Judge Judy is, so I cannot have said that. Therefore, FTFY.

(Also, English is not my first language. Spanish is, and we don't really have gender-neutral pronouns, because most things have gender, unlike English)
You meant to say you have no idea who Judge Judy is. Judge Judy is a person not a thing. And Judge Judy is one of the highest rated Court television shows in the United States.

Technically shows like Judge Judy are generally arbitration and not true small claims court. 

Incidentally the best part of any Courtroom TV show was the intro to the People’s Court.  The opening theme “The Big One” perfectly represents the seedy late 1970s/early 1980s world the People’s Court was born out of.  I wasn’t too surprised to find out that it apparently was used as porno movie music before being made famous on TV. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Throckmorton on November 30, 2019, 11:45:28 AM
The "pass interference" call.  Isn't that the defender's job?
I hate "offensive pass interference".  The QB Is not passing to the defense!!!!!
   
The defender's job is to defend the pass, not to interfere with the receiver's ability to catch the pass.   
   
Every player on defense is an eligible receiver hence the distinction.   
   
   
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on November 30, 2019, 02:14:47 PM
The "pass interference" call.  Isn't that the defender's job?
I hate "offensive pass interference".  The QB Is not passing to the defense!!!!!
The defender's job is to defend the pass, not to interfere with the receiver's ability to catch the pass.   
Every player on defense is an eligible receiver hence the distinction.   
https://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nfl/offensive-pass-interference.aspx

What is Offensive Pass Interference?

A penalty called when an offensive player impedes a defender's ability to play pass defense.  This can mean setting an illegal pick, where an offensive player intentionally gets in the way of another player's defender.  Pass interference is also called when an offensive receiver shoves the defender away from him prior to making a play on the ball.  The penalty is 10 yards from the previous line of scrimmage, and the down is replayed.  Offensive pass interference cannot occur behind the line of scrimmage or after the ball has been touched following the throw.
 
Sporting Charts explains Offensive Pass Interference

Offensive pass interference is most often called when the offensive player makes an obvious attempt to shove the defender away from him in order to get open to catch a pass.  The official will look to see if the defender could have made a play on the ball if the contact hadn't occurred.  If so, the official will throw the flag.  The other common form of offensive pass interference is the pick play.  An offensive player will intentionally run into a defender to allow a teammate to get open.  The pick is illegal, and pass interference will be called.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: hbelkins on November 30, 2019, 03:35:51 PM
As well as...

*High taxes
*Insecure national borders
*Groundless impeachment proceedings

Here's one: people that needlessly bring up politics in a non-political thread.

Who says it's a non-political thread? The title is "minor things that bother you," although I really think those are major issues, not minor things.

It is NOT soda, it is pop.

Yes!

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Smudge is always right.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: vdeane on November 30, 2019, 05:50:02 PM
Going to the bank just to get a roll of quarters and being stuck behind someone with a drawn-out and/or complicated transaction.

People who treat the 5 mph and 20 mph E-ZPass lanes on the Thruway the same (slowing down to 5-10 mph) - alas, this one seems to be most people
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 21stCenturyRoad on November 30, 2019, 06:19:27 PM
When you’re at the convenience store wanting to quickly buy something but the guy in front of you is buying the whole store and has a conversation with the clerk
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Scott5114 on November 30, 2019, 11:27:47 PM
At the grocery store, when the old lady in front of me in line (it's always an old lady) has a bill of $9.48, and after peeling the five and four ones off her stack, goes digging through her coin purse until she finds exactly 48 cents.

My mother is the same damn way (though she's only 51). It pisses me off when she does it, especially when there's a long line behind us. She hates breaking up dollar bills.

What's even worse is when they do something like that so they can pay $10.03 and get 55¢ back instead of 52¢. You're just wasting everyone's time at that point because you're taking up time digging out the pennies and still getting change back. If having pennies really bothers you that much, just take them home and leave them there or give them to the person behind you in line.

How about using slashes instead of hyphens in dates, and leaving out the century?
11/27/19  instead of  11-27-2019
Precisely that date format, month-day-year, is one of those "certain American customs that bother me" I believe are too much for this thread. It makes no sense, having no order. I tend to follow local usage and thus I use month-day here, but when adding the year I use this format so the date remains sorted:
2019-11-27.

CCYY-MM-DD works just as well as MM-DD-CCYY.

Microsoft Office products such as Word, Excel and Access have a list of date formats that are perfectly valid to use.

Nothing is valid except ISO 8601 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601).

Also, singular use of plural pronouns, e.g. "I talked to the person and they said..."

In that vein, while I respect people who decide their pronouns aren't the binary ones (he/his and she/her), why they choose "they/them"? They imply more than one, so I don't see why they have to designate an individual, and besides, there is already "it" as a gender-neutral singular pronoun.

"They"/"them" is the plural, and should never be used in the singular.  The gender-neutrals are "it" and "one".  Otherwise, "he" and "she" should be used or "he/she".  Let's stop abusing the English language.

This comment displays a failure to understand that when English lacks a facility for something (such as a gender-neutral pronoun) speakers will naturally attempt to repair the defect like a river cutting off an oxbow. Attempting to stop it is about as easy as stopping the river from changing course, too.

It also displays a failure to understand that singular "they" has been in usage since approximately 1450 (https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/200700).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MNHighwayMan on November 30, 2019, 11:45:24 PM
Nothing is valid except ISO 8601 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601).

👍

That is the way to go.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on November 30, 2019, 11:46:45 PM
CCYY-MM-DD works just as well as MM-DD-CCYY.
Microsoft Office products such as Word, Excel and Access have a list of date formats that are perfectly valid to use.
Nothing is valid except ISO 8601 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601).
For formal international data transfer.

In many business environments what I said about MS Office is true.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Scott5114 on November 30, 2019, 11:49:00 PM
Many business environments allow lots of moronic stuff, like letting people install and use MS Office.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MNHighwayMan on November 30, 2019, 11:50:28 PM
Many business environments allow lots of moronic stuff, like letting people install and use MS Office.

I mean, MS Office is pretty useful, if you know how to use it. The problem is, not enough people know how to use it.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Scott5114 on November 30, 2019, 11:53:04 PM
It's also full of horrible kludges and incompatibilities, the ribbon interface feels like it was designed by an OkDOT engineer in their spare time, and the Office Open XML specification is a total joke.

It also costs stupid amounts of money when LibreOffice does the same thing much better for free.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 01, 2019, 12:00:31 AM
Many business environments allow lots of moronic stuff, like letting people install and use MS Office.
That is why the IT department should perform the installation, and the end users be prohibited from doing so.

MS Office is by far the industry standard for word processing, spreadsheeting and presentation.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Scott5114 on December 01, 2019, 12:50:29 AM
Pinheads are also industry standard for management.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Ben114 on December 01, 2019, 12:56:42 AM
For me it's gotta be people with iPhones who hate texting people that don't have iPhones and they see the green bubble
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: mgk920 on December 01, 2019, 01:38:47 AM
University abbreviations that mean something else. UT, ND, and VT are states unrelated to the universities, and UK is a country.

Calling any indoor temperature "freezing".

Like with me, when someone in an on-line discussion says that he or she is from 'LA', I'll likely respond with something on the lines of "New Orleans, Shreveport, Lake Charles, Etc?".

Mike
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: tdindy88 on December 01, 2019, 01:48:57 AM
When you’re at the convenience store wanting to quickly buy something but the guy in front of you is buying the whole store and has a conversation with the clerk

I honestly don't like it when the clerk wants to engage in small talk with me. Maybe I'm introverted or whatever, but I have absolutely no desire to talk with people that I don't really need to talk with. I have family, friends and coworkers to carry on conversations with, I don't need to discuss my life with someone who's conducting a transaction for me. This is honestly one of the things I liked when I visited New York City, the clerks were mostly impersonal, quick to take your money, give you change and send you on your way. I liked that.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 01, 2019, 02:04:10 AM
When there's enough room to park two cars between driveways, and someone parks directly in the middle preventing a 2nd car from parking there.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 01, 2019, 02:10:57 AM
At the grocery store, when the old lady in front of me in line (it's always an old lady) has a bill of $9.48, and after peeling the five and four ones off her stack, goes digging through her coin purse until she finds exactly 48 cents.

My mother is the same damn way (though she's only 51). It pisses me off when she does it, especially when there's a long line behind us. She hates breaking up dollar bills.

What's even worse is when they do something like that so they can pay $10.03 and get 55¢ back instead of 52¢. You're just wasting everyone's time at that point because you're taking up time digging out the pennies and still getting change back. If having pennies really bothers you that much, just take them home and leave them there or give them to the person behind you in line.

When a toll plaza is backed up, this is one of the reasons why.  If someone doesn't know the toll, regardless of it's a fixed price seen on signs, or a variable price based on a ticket system, having a $20 bill ready and handing it over will probably cover the toll (PA Turnpike excluded). When they don't have that toll money ready, they'll dig around and ask everyone in thr car for money, and after a bit of time they just wind up pulling out a $20 anyway.  The car behind them will pull up wondering what took so long (and normally blame the toll collector).  Then they wind up doing the same thing.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on December 01, 2019, 08:21:31 AM
I'm one of those who gets annoyed by almost everything!, Yeah, go ahead and call me out on it. :awesomeface: Most of this certainly is arbitrary and I decline to say everything because it sets off a chain reaction of shit that need not be said.

*Overmoderation of this forum  :-D :-D
Good behavior is the solution to your problem ;) (said ind true hypocritical fashion - by the way, H.B., this is a sarcastic response.)

oh by the way, OK Boomer. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  (Ok, so I pressed one too many buttons)

Nothing is valid except ISO 8601 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601).

👍

That is the way to go.
Yes.  it sorts better. Also trying to sort files electronically when the policy/trend is to put given name first.

*  Motorists using their turn signal when exiting.

I disagree, because communicating your intentions is always valuable to other drivers on the road. Also, isn’t this legally required in most states anyway?


Moving into a previously existing lane, absolutely.  Signalling when moving into a new lane at the point it opens up is pointless.

Hey everyone, I'm getting off the freeway!  Yes it makes sense when the idiot exiting slows down to freaking 35 (arbitrary) before committing such action.  Otherwise, I could care less. At the same time, signaling when getting ON the freeway - Hey, I already see you (Though in fairness, not everyone is hyper-aware). Not signaling when changing lanes grinds my gears, however the robotic nature of signaling at every point where its a turn also gets to me - three left turn lanes? you're in the left lane? STILL HAVE TO SIGNAL per the law.

In football: not using analytics and therefore punting the ball away on 4th and 1 just so they don't get criticized; overcalling of penalties.  Having two football teams in Los Angeles.  Not going to an 18 game schedule/having those ridiculous pre-season games.

Speaking of football, Here's a tidbit from the TV Tropes "Insistent Terminology" (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/InsistentTerminology/RealLife) series

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American football announcers — presumably fearful lest those of us watching/listening to the games get confused as to exactly which sport is being played — take great pains to insert the word football (as both noun and adjective) into as much of their commentary as possible. So instead of saying, "These players need to move the ball down the field if they're going to win this game", they'll go with something like, "These football players need to move the football down the football field if they're going to win this football game," and so forth.

* Here's a supercut video an intrepid fan made of every time CBS analyst Phil Simms said "football" during a single telecast of an NFL game.note The game, for the curious, was a 2012 Thanksgiving Day matchup between the Detroit Lions and Houston Texans. It was not an especially unusual or important game, although it did go into overtime. (Total count: 58.) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OVNsQATJGA)

** Baseball announcers, by contrast, will often call entire games without mentioning the name of the sport. Instead, it's "the ballgame", "the ballpark", "the ballplayers", etc.
*PLAY BALL!
*Foul Ball
*Fastball
*Curve Ball

--oh boy...🙄

Quote

**The difference is probably because professional football grew up so much in baseball's shadow that most of the teams played in baseball stadiums and many of them were even named after those baseball teams: The New York Giants were at first the New York Football Giants, for instance, until the San Francisco Giants moved to San Francisco.note  Even that professional sports team from Maryland mentioned above was originally the Boston Football Braves. Hence explicitly saying what sport is going on to avoid being mistaken for the other, better-known sport.
Yeah one can understand this.

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**An inversion occurs in real life with the Super Bowl. "Super Bowl" is a trademarked phrase, hence the alternate term "The Big Game."
Doesn't mean it can't bother me.

* "I VOTED" Stickers, yeah it's part of the effort to get everyone to be involved in the election, but still.
* I'm a human.  I also am known as a person, American, worker, taxpayer, stakeholder, investor, voter, motorist, etc.  ok, so we change the name based on the context.
* motorist - what does a motor have to do with driving a car? Along these lines, names of car dealerships containing "motor" - Also using the word AUTO to refer to a vehicle.
* Overuse of "and" such as in "each and every", "alcohol and other drugs", etc.
* because it's tradition as a reason for not adapting to changes.

Anyone need a collaboration of "serious business" items (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SeriousBusiness/RealLife)? :popcorn:

Law of the month VMS

blah
blah
blah
SLOW DOWN
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 01, 2019, 08:51:19 AM
* I'm a human.
Use of the word "humane" when referring to the kind and caring treatment of animals.

Animals are not "human"!  Even though some are very cute, you don't treat them like you treat a "human"!  They don't have the rights and responsibilities of a human.

"Humane" is merely putting an "e" on the end of "human."
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on December 01, 2019, 08:57:05 AM
* I'm a human.
Use of the word "humane" when referring to the kind and caring treatment of animals.

Animals are not "human"!  Even though some are very cute, you don't treat them like you treat a "human"!  They don't have the rights and responsibilities of a human.

"Humane" is merely putting an "e" on the end of "human."
Doesn't mean humans aren't animals.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Scott5114 on December 01, 2019, 08:57:31 AM
Quote from: Merriam-Webster
humane
marked by compassion, sympathy, or consideration for humans or animals

humane prison guards
a more humane way of treating farm animals

Dates back to 1552 with the current meaning.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 01, 2019, 09:09:19 AM
Quote from: Merriam-Webster
humane
marked by compassion, sympathy, or consideration for humans or animals
humane prison guards
a more humane way of treating farm animals
Dates back to 1552 with the current meaning.
late Middle English: the earlier form of human, restricted to the senses above in the 18th century.
. . . . .

Who says that the English language didn't try to conflate humans and animals in stature?

How many books have ever been written by animals?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: US 89 on December 01, 2019, 10:56:53 AM
How many books have ever been written by animals?

Every book that’s ever been written.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Scott5114 on December 01, 2019, 12:31:56 PM
Quote from: Merriam-Webster
humane
marked by compassion, sympathy, or consideration for humans or animals
humane prison guards
a more humane way of treating farm animals
Dates back to 1552 with the current meaning.
late Middle English: the earlier form of human, restricted to the senses above in the 18th century.
. . . . .

Who says that the English language didn't try to conflate humans and animals in stature?

How many books have ever been written by animals?

So you're really taking issue with a point of English usage that dates back 300 years? Are you going to hold the Potomac back with your palm for your next trick?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 01, 2019, 12:34:13 PM
How many books have ever been written by animals?

Every book that’s ever been written.

Well the Book of Alan was and wasn’t written by Goat Jesus.  Then again wouldn’t we all be animals in the eyes of the King of the Goats?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jakeroot on December 01, 2019, 01:14:29 PM
When there's enough room to park two cars between driveways, and someone parks directly in the middle preventing a 2nd car from parking there.

As someone who street parks on the regular, that drives me nuts. There's only so many spots, everyone. Don't be selfish. Always pull up to the edge of the curb, excluding at the ends of blocks (depending on local laws).



The saying "six of one, half a dozen of the other"  ....   just say "doesn't matter"; no reason to expend that much energy to say something so simple.

Mentioned before, six-number dates. I always write out the full year, although I also spell the month.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 01, 2019, 01:21:58 PM
When there's enough room to park two cars between driveways, and someone parks directly in the middle preventing a 2nd car from parking there.

As someone who street parks on the regular, that drives me nuts. There's only so many spots, everyone. Don't be selfish. Always pull up to the edge of the curb, excluding at the ends of blocks (depending on local laws).



The saying "six of one, half a dozen of the other"  ....   just say "doesn't matter"; no reason to expend that much energy to say something so simple.

Mentioned before, six-number dates. I always write out the full year, although I also spell the month.

Speaking of parking on City streets the practice of “spot claiming in Chicago” used to drive me up the wall.  The city didn’t do that great of a job of plowing the streets which would lead people to shovel out spots and put down some sort of material as a “claim.”  For some reason the practice would end up extending to non-neighborhood streets in the winter which did receive adequate plowing.  Some ass hat would always try to claim the best spot on a well plowed road that went to commercial establishments. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: GaryV on December 01, 2019, 01:40:12 PM
In football
-- Eyeball where they made the first down
-- Eyeball where the chains are placed
-- Eyeball where the next ball is downed
-- And then measure, and hold up hands indicating that they missed the first down by 2 inches.  Really?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 01, 2019, 01:46:57 PM
Quote from: Merriam-Webster
humane
marked by compassion, sympathy, or consideration for humans or animals
humane prison guards
a more humane way of treating farm animals
Dates back to 1552 with the current meaning.
late Middle English: the earlier form of human, restricted to the senses above in the 18th century.
. . . . .
Who says that the English language didn't try to conflate humans and animals in stature?
How many books have ever been written by animals?
So you're really taking issue with a point of English usage that dates back 300 years? Are you going to hold the Potomac back with your palm for your next trick?
My complaint was about the use of "humane" to refer to the treatment of animals, as they are not "human."

Who says that the English language used it that way in the 1500s?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 01, 2019, 01:54:53 PM
In football
-- Eyeball where they made the first down
-- Eyeball where the chains are placed
-- Eyeball where the next ball is downed
-- And then measure, and hold up hands indicating that they missed the first down by 2 inches.  Really?


The teams are always welcome to ask for measurements every play.  A few inches doesn't matter when they're yards away.


Speaking of parking on City streets the practice of “spot claiming in Chicago” used to drive me up the wall.  The city didn’t do that great of a job of plowing the streets which would lead people to shovel out spots and put down some sort of material as a “claim.”  For some reason the practice would end up extending to non-neighborhood streets in the winter which did receive adequate plowing.  Some ass hat would always try to claim the best spot on a well plowed road that went to commercial establishments. 

This practice exists in every city where there's snow and limited parking. No city is unique or immune to it.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 01, 2019, 01:55:34 PM
How many books have ever been written by animals?
Every book that’s ever been written.
How many books have ever been written by:  dolphins, apes, chimps, dogs, cats, swine, cows, horses, buzzards, hawks, parakeets, alligators, crocs, sharks, trout, swordfish, squirrels, deer, bears, rats, iguanas, foxes, coyotes, chickens, geese, etc., etc.?

I had a good chuckle as I wrote this! :-)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on December 01, 2019, 02:00:09 PM
How many books have ever been written by animals?
Every book that’s ever been written.
How many books have ever been written by:  dolphins, apes, chimps, dogs, cats, swine, cows, horses, buzzards, hawks, parakeets, alligators, crocs, sharks, trout, swordfish, squirrels, deer, bears, rats, iguanas, foxes, coyotes, chickens, geese, etc., etc.?

I had a good chuckle as I wrote this! :-)
His point is that humans are animals.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on December 01, 2019, 02:00:36 PM
In football
-- Eyeball where they made the first down
-- Eyeball where the chains are placed
-- Eyeball where the next ball is downed
-- And then measure, and hold up hands indicating that they missed the first down by 2 inches.  Really?

Measurements are for show and time eating.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 01, 2019, 02:08:04 PM
In football
-- Eyeball where they made the first down
-- Eyeball where the chains are placed
-- Eyeball where the next ball is downed
-- And then measure, and hold up hands indicating that they missed the first down by 2 inches.  Really?


The teams are always welcome to ask for measurements every play.  A few inches doesn't matter when they're yards away.


Speaking of parking on City streets the practice of “spot claiming in Chicago” used to drive me up the wall.  The city didn’t do that great of a job of plowing the streets which would lead people to shovel out spots and put down some sort of material as a “claim.”  For some reason the practice would end up extending to non-neighborhood streets in the winter which did receive adequate plowing.  Some ass hat would always try to claim the best spot on a well plowed road that went to commercial establishments. 

This practice exists in every city where there's snow and limited parking. No city is unique or immune to it.

Yes but the point was that in Chicago it often spread to streets that had plenty of parking.  I’m all good with someone claiming a spot they dug out but not one of a Main Street or Highway that the city cleared out for everyone.  It wasn’t uncommon for people even to try to claim tolled parking either. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Brandon on December 01, 2019, 03:28:56 PM
How many books have ever been written by animals?
Every book that’s ever been written.
How many books have ever been written by:  dolphins, apes, chimps, dogs, cats, swine, cows, horses, buzzards, hawks, parakeets, alligators, crocs, sharks, trout, swordfish, squirrels, deer, bears, rats, iguanas, foxes, coyotes, chickens, geese, etc., etc.?

I had a good chuckle as I wrote this! :-)

They’re all written by one species of primate.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: wxfree on December 01, 2019, 04:09:15 PM
Corporate naming sponsors

I'd guess that most Americans know that the Cowboys are the football team from Dallas.  When it was called Cowboys Stadium, you automatically knew something about it, what happens there and what area it's located in.  I still call it Cowboys Stadium, because no one paid me to use a different name, and even if you know the official name, you still know what I'm referring to.  Calling it AT&T Stadium tells you nothing about it.  It sounds like a giant cell phone store.  The name gives you no clues at all, so in order to know anything about it, you just have to know what it is.

It's like NTTA's ZipCash.  Locals know what that means, it's a way for cash customers to pay without stopping, in a way that's quick, with zip.  But if you don't already know what it is, then the name doesn't make any sense.  To me, it could as easily mean that the cash lines at the tollbooth move quickly.  "Pay by mail" is the perfect name, because it tells you exactly what it is.  Toll authorities could get corporate sponsorships and call it something else, like "Panasonic Pay" and let the drivers think "dubya tee eff?" and that would make as much sense as calling it AT&T Stadium.

I'm okay with naming things in honor of a person.  To me, doing something to earn that recognition is more worthy than just paying for it, and those names tend to stick, so you don't have to keep up with what the place is called this year as the naming sponsor contracts expire.  Instead of "Panasonic Pay" TxDOT could name their pay-by-mail system "Dewitt C. Greer Pay."  That would at least be something related to the state's highways.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on December 01, 2019, 05:20:06 PM
Subtropical storms being named from the same list as fully tropical ones. If you want to name it, use a supplemental list, don't waste names from the main list (IMO two names have been wasted this year).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: HTM Duke on December 01, 2019, 07:13:05 PM
When you’re at the convenience store wanting to quickly buy something but the guy in front of you is buying the whole store and has a conversation with the clerk

I honestly don't like it when the clerk wants to engage in small talk with me. Maybe I'm introverted or whatever, but I have absolutely no desire to talk with people that I don't really need to talk with. I have family, friends and coworkers to carry on conversations with, I don't need to discuss my life with someone who's conducting a transaction for me. This is honestly one of the things I liked when I visited New York City, the clerks were mostly impersonal, quick to take your money, give you change and send you on your way. I liked that.

In a similar vein, grocery stores that do not have a self-checkout option.  I prefer self-checkout since I'm usually able to use less bags then checkers do, and the lack of chatter, since it was usually the "round up your total and donate the difference" speech.  (I also have a thing against 24/7 grocery stores that do have self-checkout, but shut them down overnight and use one checkout line.  Nothing like getting stuck behind someone doing a week's worth of grocery shopping at 2 am to turn oneself off.)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on December 01, 2019, 07:17:25 PM
When you’re at the convenience store wanting to quickly buy something but the guy in front of you is buying the whole store and has a conversation with the clerk

I honestly don't like it when the clerk wants to engage in small talk with me. Maybe I'm introverted or whatever, but I have absolutely no desire to talk with people that I don't really need to talk with. I have family, friends and coworkers to carry on conversations with, I don't need to discuss my life with someone who's conducting a transaction for me. This is honestly one of the things I liked when I visited New York City, the clerks were mostly impersonal, quick to take your money, give you change and send you on your way. I liked that.

In a similar vein, grocery stores that do not have a self-checkout option.  I prefer self-checkout since I'm usually able to use less bags then checkers do, and the lack of chatter, since it was usually the "round up your total and donate the difference" speech.  (I also have a thing against 24/7 grocery stores that do have self-checkout, but shut them down overnight and use one checkout line.  Nothing like getting stuck behind someone doing a week's worth of grocery shopping at 2 am to turn oneself off.)

You talk of self-checkouts? I think the opposite.  Our Wal-Mart replaced all but 8 checkout lanes with selfies. Mind you they also have clerks hovering to help (or watch) - and you have the non-techies who struggle (mentioned earlier up-thread)

Also - every loyalty program.  Before you start - "have you used your "store name perks plus rewards on fuel savings card"? (Self checkouts installed at Hy Vee say such and it really sounds like GlaDOS.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MNHighwayMan on December 01, 2019, 10:30:17 PM
Also - every loyalty program.  Before you start - "have you used your "store name perks plus rewards on fuel savings card"? (Self checkouts installed at Hy Vee say such and it really sounds like GlaDOS.

As an employee of Hy-Vee, fuck those loud-as-hell self-checkouts. Seriously.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: adventurernumber1 on December 02, 2019, 03:41:16 PM
Younger people who can't speak without saying "like" every third word.

From what I can gather, "like" is replacing "uh/um/etc." as the filler phrase in conversation while thinking of what to say next (at least in the younger generation). I am guilty of doing this a lot myself, if only subconsciously (as I'm not going out of my way to do it on purpose, or because it's "trendy"). It seems to be a change that has been happening lately in casual speech, but perhaps one that has been occurring more subconsciously.


It is NOT soda, it is pop.

I can attest as a Michigan native more people around the country use “Soda” by a large margin.  Using Midwest slang didn’t do me favors when I moved in Middle School so I ended up dropping it quickly.

Although I live in the South, it has always felt most natural for me to say "soda." That's not to say "soda" (or any other terms, for that matter) is the one and only correct thing to say, but it's just what I say. If someone says "coke," "pop," "soft drink," etc., I know what they're talking about, and I see all of those as acceptable terms for the beverage, even if some sound more "foreign" to me due to me not hearing them as much (as a result of my location).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 02, 2019, 07:52:57 PM
The "pass interference" call.  Isn't that the defender's job?
I hate "offensive pass interference".  The QB Is not passing to the defense!!!!!
The defender's job is to defend the pass, not to interfere with the receiver's ability to catch the pass.   
Every player on defense is an eligible receiver hence the distinction.   
https://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nfl/offensive-pass-interference.aspx

What is Offensive Pass Interference?

A penalty called when an offensive player impedes a defender's ability to play pass defense.  This can mean setting an illegal pick, where an offensive player intentionally gets in the way of another player's defender.  Pass interference is also called when an offensive receiver shoves the defender away from him prior to making a play on the ball.  The penalty is 10 yards from the previous line of scrimmage, and the down is replayed.  Offensive pass interference cannot occur behind the line of scrimmage or after the ball has been touched following the throw.
 
Sporting Charts explains Offensive Pass Interference

Offensive pass interference is most often called when the offensive player makes an obvious attempt to shove the defender away from him in order to get open to catch a pass.  The official will look to see if the defender could have made a play on the ball if the contact hadn't occurred.  If so, the official will throw the flag.  The other common form of offensive pass interference is the pick play.  An offensive player will intentionally run into a defender to allow a teammate to get open.  The pick is illegal, and pass interference will be called.


Inaccurate term, thus it is correct to be a minor thing that bothers me.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 02, 2019, 07:54:43 PM
I'm one of those who gets annoyed by almost everything!, Yeah, go ahead and call me out on it. :awesomeface: Most of this certainly is arbitrary and I decline to say everything because it sets off a chain reaction of shit that need not be said.

*Overmoderation of this forum  :-D :-D
Good behavior is the solution to your problem ;) (said ind true hypocritical fashion - by the way, H.B., this is a sarcastic response.)

oh by the way, OK Boomer. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  (Ok, so I pressed one too many buttons)

Nothing is valid except ISO 8601 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601).

👍

That is the way to go.
Yes.  it sorts better. Also trying to sort files electronically when the policy/trend is to put given name first.

*  Motorists using their turn signal when exiting.

I disagree, because communicating your intentions is always valuable to other drivers on the road. Also, isn’t this legally required in most states anyway?


Moving into a previously existing lane, absolutely.  Signalling when moving into a new lane at the point it opens up is pointless.

Hey everyone, I'm getting off the freeway!  Yes it makes sense when the idiot exiting slows down to freaking 35 (arbitrary) before committing such action.  Otherwise, I could care less. At the same time, signaling when getting ON the freeway - Hey, I already see you (Though in fairness, not everyone is hyper-aware). Not signaling when changing lanes grinds my gears, however the robotic nature of signaling at every point where its a turn also gets to me - three left turn lanes? you're in the left lane? STILL HAVE TO SIGNAL per the law.

In football: not using analytics and therefore punting the ball away on 4th and 1 just so they don't get criticized; overcalling of penalties.  Having two football teams in Los Angeles.  Not going to an 18 game schedule/having those ridiculous pre-season games.

Speaking of football, Here's a tidbit from the TV Tropes "Insistent Terminology" (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/InsistentTerminology/RealLife) series

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American football announcers — presumably fearful lest those of us watching/listening to the games get confused as to exactly which sport is being played — take great pains to insert the word football (as both noun and adjective) into as much of their commentary as possible. So instead of saying, "These players need to move the ball down the field if they're going to win this game", they'll go with something like, "These football players need to move the football down the football field if they're going to win this football game," and so forth.

* Here's a supercut video an intrepid fan made of every time CBS analyst Phil Simms said "football" during a single telecast of an NFL game.note The game, for the curious, was a 2012 Thanksgiving Day matchup between the Detroit Lions and Houston Texans. It was not an especially unusual or important game, although it did go into overtime. (Total count: 58.) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OVNsQATJGA)

** Baseball announcers, by contrast, will often call entire games without mentioning the name of the sport. Instead, it's "the ballgame", "the ballpark", "the ballplayers", etc.
*PLAY BALL!
*Foul Ball
*Fastball
*Curve Ball

--oh boy...🙄

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**The difference is probably because professional football grew up so much in baseball's shadow that most of the teams played in baseball stadiums and many of them were even named after those baseball teams: The New York Giants were at first the New York Football Giants, for instance, until the San Francisco Giants moved to San Francisco.note  Even that professional sports team from Maryland mentioned above was originally the Boston Football Braves. Hence explicitly saying what sport is going on to avoid being mistaken for the other, better-known sport.
Yeah one can understand this.

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**An inversion occurs in real life with the Super Bowl. "Super Bowl" is a trademarked phrase, hence the alternate term "The Big Game."
Doesn't mean it can't bother me.

* "I VOTED" Stickers, yeah it's part of the effort to get everyone to be involved in the election, but still.
* I'm a human.  I also am known as a person, American, worker, taxpayer, stakeholder, investor, voter, motorist, etc.  ok, so we change the name based on the context.
* motorist - what does a motor have to do with driving a car? Along these lines, names of car dealerships containing "motor" - Also using the word AUTO to refer to a vehicle.
* Overuse of "and" such as in "each and every", "alcohol and other drugs", etc.
* because it's tradition as a reason for not adapting to changes.

Anyone need a collaboration of "serious business" items (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SeriousBusiness/RealLife)? :popcorn:

Law of the month VMS

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SLOW DOWN

Yes on the "I voted" stickers.  Having voted doesn't mean you know what you're doing. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Ben114 on December 02, 2019, 08:40:47 PM
Younger people who can't speak without saying "like" every third word.

From what I can gather, "like" is replacing "uh/um/etc." as the filler phrase in conversation while thinking of what to say next (at least in the younger generation). I am guilty of doing this a lot myself, if only subconsciously (as I'm not going out of my way to do it on purpose, or because it's "trendy"). It seems to be a change that has been happening lately in casual speech, but perhaps one that has been occurring more subconsciously.

And you would be correct. We younger people don't say "umm...", we say "like"
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 02, 2019, 08:52:06 PM
https://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nfl/offensive-pass-interference.aspx
Offensive pass interference is most often called […]
Inaccurate term, thus it is correct to be a minor thing that bothers me.

The idea being that when the quarterback puts the ball up, both the eligible offense players, and the defenders have equal rights to attempt to catch it.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 02, 2019, 09:19:06 PM
I have a right to be bothered by an incorrect name, lol!
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 02, 2019, 09:44:22 PM
- Waitresses and retail staff that insist on calling me 'hun'
- The word "hubby"
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on December 02, 2019, 09:53:15 PM
- Waitresses and retail staff that insist on calling me 'hun'
- The word "hubby"
Would you prefer "love" (The British equivalent)?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 02, 2019, 11:42:39 PM
- Waitresses and retail staff that insist on calling me 'hun'
- The word "hubby"
Would you prefer "love" (The British equivalent)?

Add another one to the list...
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: TravelingBethelite on December 03, 2019, 12:07:18 AM
I am seriously bothered by people leaving their cars running in park (or starting it before they need to), and more generally people running their cars when they don't need to. It's why I'm a fan of the start-stop technology included in cars in the last couple of model years, which cuts out the engine when idling at a traffic light, etc.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: OracleUsr on December 03, 2019, 12:23:56 AM
Where do you want me to start?

--Postal carriers (some in our area are female...sorry, not sorry) who park right before a stop sign on an already nearly-impassable street and leave them there for 20 minutes.
--People who just LOVE their subwoofers in their cars
--People who chew loudly.
--LYRICS TO #()%ING "SLEIGH RIDE"
--waiters who bring things i clearly asked for as an appetizer with the meal, then looking at me like I asked for a million dollars tax-free when I complain
--by the same token, being with a group of people and having my order be the only one screwed up, usually not even close, and having to sit there, twiddling my thumbs while others chow down.  Even worse if the food comes back cold or screwed up to the same degree.  Rare means RARE, people!
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on December 03, 2019, 09:38:44 AM
Hm...if your meal is the only one messed up routinely and you complain about appetizers being brought with the meal (which I sort of see as valid, but not anything too angering)...

...perhaps you should make sure you're not a causal variable in these outcomes. :D

Ugh, I worked with someone who treated waitstaff horribly -- didn't matter if they brought out what he asked for, he always had to complain about something.  There's a culture amongst certain people that they must treat waitstaff as inferior (friend of mine's father was the same way and I am not sure what that exact cultural connection is between the people I know that act this way).  Of course, my coworker was an extreme case:  After making a ridiculously complicated coffee order in Montreal (in English) and them inevitably getting it wrong, he dumped it out on the floor.  He never understood that it reflected worse on him than them.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on December 03, 2019, 09:56:50 AM
Ugh, I worked with someone who treated waitstaff horribly -- didn't matter if they brought out what he asked for, he always had to complain about something.  than them.

I have an 'in-law like that.

About half the time, wants a meal prepared differently than the menu*, usually complains that it's not perfectly done (or told they don't have that item), fusses until they get it for free. Then proceeds to eat half the meal and then splurges on post-meal desert and a specialty beverage after everyone's finished. Naturally, doesn't pay for said meal and doesn't have a job. Seriously, how hard is it to change tack when the winds change and be adaptable? I go to a restaurant with a plan, a backup plan, and maybe a Plan C...just in case.

* I do this at a few places where I know they can competently and confidently exclude/substitute something (like a topping or side). But I don't ask for a chicken marsala to suddenly become a General Tso's chicken.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 03, 2019, 11:25:31 AM
Ugh, I worked with someone who treated waitstaff horribly -- didn't matter if they brought out what he asked for, he always had to complain about something.  than them.
I have an 'in-law like that.
About half the time, wants a meal prepared differently than the menu*, usually complains that it's not perfectly done (or told they don't have that item), fusses until they get it for free. Then proceeds to eat half the meal and then splurges on post-meal desert and a specialty beverage after everyone's finished. Naturally, doesn't pay for said meal and doesn't have a job. Seriously, how hard is it to change tack when the winds change and be adaptable? I go to a restaurant with a plan, a backup plan, and maybe a Plan C...just in case.
A dating dealbreaker, when she treats service staff badly.

She won't get another date from me.  That reveals how she treats people in general.

Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 03, 2019, 11:57:43 AM
Ugh, I worked with someone who treated waitstaff horribly -- didn't matter if they brought out what he asked for, he always had to complain about something.  than them.
I have an 'in-law like that.
About half the time, wants a meal prepared differently than the menu*, usually complains that it's not perfectly done (or told they don't have that item), fusses until they get it for free. Then proceeds to eat half the meal and then splurges on post-meal desert and a specialty beverage after everyone's finished. Naturally, doesn't pay for said meal and doesn't have a job. Seriously, how hard is it to change tack when the winds change and be adaptable? I go to a restaurant with a plan, a backup plan, and maybe a Plan C...just in case.
A dating dealbreaker, when she treats service staff badly.

She won't get another date from me.  That reveals how she treats people in general.

My brother does stuff like this constantly and wonders why I won’t I go out to restaurant with his family anymore. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 03, 2019, 12:14:44 PM
There's some jobs I think everyone should have, just so they see the other side of things.

Waiter/Waitress/Server would be one of them. I've never been one myself, so it'll be interesting to see just what people are like.  I want to think I'm easy going and don't get upset at stupid shit, but I'm sure there's other people out there that are just assholes.  In fact, a local restaurant by me just closed.  Their Facebook posting, in part: "We've decided to close...lots of mixed emotions...7 1/2 years, so fast...The really nice people and the A-holes. The joy and the bullshit.  It was a roller coaster...but I will count it as one of the most interesting parts of my life..."

Another job, especially related to this group: Toll Collector.  Seriously - you won't believe the absolute lack of knowledge or common sense most drivers have. And it has nothing to do with cell phones, GPSs or modern conveniences on the vehicles.  I collected tolls 15 - 18 years ago, and still remember some of the oddities vividly.  It's truly scary who you're travelling next to at 75 mph.

Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 03, 2019, 12:37:15 PM
There's some jobs I think everyone should have, just so they see the other side of things.
I held a part-time supplementary job at a convenience store in my early 20s for a year.  Running the cash register as well as stocking inventory.

Definitely a good view of dealing with the public in that setting.

Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 03, 2019, 12:49:31 PM
There's some jobs I think everyone should have, just so they see the other side of things.
I held a part-time supplementary job at a convenience store in my early 20s for a year.  Running the cash register as well as stocking inventory.

Definitely a good view of dealing with the public in that setting.

Expanding on that a little, I think everyone should have to work at least one Black Friday for a major retailer. Or, work the return counter after Christmas. The sense of entitlement and the shit (sadly, sometimes literal shit) people try to pull is mind boggling. They couldn't pay me enough to do those jobs again.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: vdeane on December 03, 2019, 12:57:36 PM
I am seriously bothered by people leaving their cars running in park (or starting it before they need to), and more generally people running their cars when they don't need to. It's why I'm a fan of the start-stop technology included in cars in the last couple of model years, which cuts out the engine when idling at a traffic light, etc.
I think I'd find auto start-stop to be very annoying.  Not only do you need to wait for the engine to start when going (so you can't just accelerate from the green), it causes additional wear and tear on the car, and you don't have climate control while you're stopped, even though it's a perfect time to warm your hands in winter.  Not to mention that I always get the car running with the air and defrosters on full blast when brushing snow/ice off... it makes it SO much easier.

--by the same token, being with a group of people and having my order be the only one screwed up, usually not even close, and having to sit there, twiddling my thumbs while others chow down.  Even worse if the food comes back cold or screwed up to the same degree.  Rare means RARE, people!
That might be a liability thing.  In some countries it's not even legal to serve meat cooked to less than medium.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 03, 2019, 02:05:52 PM
I think I'd find auto start-stop to be very annoying.  Not only do you need to wait for the engine to start when going (so you can't just accelerate from the green), it causes additional wear and tear on the car, and you don't have climate control while you're stopped, even though it's a perfect time to warm your hands in winter.  Not to mention that I always get the car running with the air and defrosters on full blast when brushing snow/ice off... it makes it SO much easier.
Idling uses very little fuel in any event.

I do volunteer work for the Richmond Marathon, and when it is cold like it was this year, I leave my car idling for the whole time.  Three hours idling burned 0.9 gallons of fuel, and that is on a 3.8 liter engine.  Burn of 0.3 gallons per hour is not much.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 03, 2019, 02:06:15 PM
I am seriously bothered by people leaving their cars running in park (or starting it before they need to), and more generally people running their cars when they don't need to. It's why I'm a fan of the start-stop technology included in cars in the last couple of model years, which cuts out the engine when idling at a traffic light, etc.
I think I'd find auto start-stop to be very annoying.  Not only do you need to wait for the engine to start when going (so you can't just accelerate from the green), it causes additional wear and tear on the car, and you don't have climate control while you're stopped, even though it's a perfect time to warm your hands in winter.  Not to mention that I always get the car running with the air and defrosters on full blast when brushing snow/ice off... it makes it SO much easier.

I have the auto start-stop "feature" on my car and find it very annoying...mainly because I cannot permanently disable it; there is a button to turn it off, but it resets every time you take the key out of the ignition. There's also a lag between with restarts at a traffic light or stop/go traffic. The system is meant to restart in the time it takes to move your foot from the brake to the gas, but apparently my reflexes are too fast for the system. The system is programmed to keep the car running if the interior temp reaches a certain point, your battery is too weak, or you're running the defrost.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 03, 2019, 02:16:39 PM
I think I'd find auto start-stop to be very annoying.  ... you don't have climate control while you're stopped, even though it's a perfect time to warm your hands in winter.

I already dislike the fact that the temperature of the vents gets cooler when I'm at a stop.  Definitely wouldn't like it if the heat cut out completely!

Not to mention that I always get the car running with the air and defrosters on full blast when brushing snow/ice off... it makes it SO much easier.

Oh, definitely!  It's especially good for breaking up the ice around the windshield wipers.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: webny99 on December 03, 2019, 03:03:40 PM
It's truly scary who you're travelling next to at 75 mph.

Actually, I have found that out without ever being a toll collector...  :meh:
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 03, 2019, 03:54:42 PM
People saying “I have an (insert amount) dollar business/operation to run.”  In fact a lot of business cliches are kind of grating to listen to after one has heard then hundreds of times. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on December 03, 2019, 04:01:24 PM
Regarding the auto idle stop, my wife’s car has it. I keep an eye on the other direction’s traffic light so as to lift my foot off the brake quickly before the light goes green. That way the car starts back up in advance of it being time to move. I’ve been in that habit for years because in my cars I like to shift into gear and be ready to move.

Regarding waitstaff, I waited tables at a retirement home when I was in high school. It definitely gives you a different perspective on how people treat waiters and waitresses and I tend to be a lot more polite to them as a result.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Scott5114 on December 03, 2019, 04:13:24 PM
People saying “I have an (insert amount) dollar business/operation to run.”  In fact a lot of business cliches are kind of grating to listen to after one has heard then hundreds of times. 

That one in particular is annoying because it's a cliche, a brag, and a I'm-better-than-you all in one. After all, you'd never hear anyone say "I have a $642 operation to run"!
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman on December 03, 2019, 04:28:24 PM
When I see a toddler in a stroller watching something on a smartphone or tablet.  The kid will have plenty of time to be indoctrinated into the world of consumerism without Mommy or Daddy forcing it on them at the age of 2.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 03, 2019, 04:55:56 PM
Man buns.

And, with that, I win the thread.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 03, 2019, 04:59:15 PM
People saying “I have an (insert amount) dollar business/operation to run.”  In fact a lot of business cliches are kind of grating to listen to after one has heard then hundreds of times. 

That one in particular is annoying because it's a cliche, a brag, and a I'm-better-than-you all in one. After all, you'd never hear anyone say "I have a $642 operation to run"!

Yes, the one saving grace it has is my retort tends to be some semblance of “no” when said to me.  For me I’m not in a service oriented industry but I deal with a lot of people who are.  Sometimes people aren’t exactly pleased when I tell them something is unrealistic, costs a lot of money, beyond my capabilities or just can’t be done. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman65 on December 03, 2019, 05:16:46 PM
Nail colors that women use that unmatch.  For example the girl who paints her toes red, and paints her fingers pink.  Also older women who bitched in the 80's about the new neon colors of nail polish who now wear them themselves.   Plus for me when I see a woman over 65 over apply makeup to the point of masking their natural face, I see that middle age man who drives a convertible sports car and cheats on his wife with a young gold digger.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on December 03, 2019, 05:25:35 PM
There's some jobs I think everyone should have, just so they see the other side of things.

Waiter/Waitress/Server would be one of them.

I've had jobs with lots of multi-tasking around people, but those where people mostly come to me to tell me what they want and what they should do. I don't have the outgoing personality and charm to approach strangers that well, with the prospect of making them happy enough to ply me with money. I suppose all things get better with practice, but I'm glad I don't have to do that in a pressurized environment.

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Another job, especially related to this group: Toll Collector. 

My brother-in-law (not the picky-eater-in-law described a few posts above) was a toll collector about 30 years ago, and was bored out of his mind after a month, and quit after a few months. Nothing else to but to make change, read a book, and listen to the radio...and occasionally give directions. He was told that his ability to make correct change "over 95% of the time" was impressive, which made him realize there was no hope for climbing the career ladder. He'd told me that it took a day or two to not wince at the sight of a 18-wheeler going 55 mph, which was the toughest part of the job.

Your mileage may have varied!

I have the auto start-stop "feature" on my car and find it very annoying...mainly because I cannot permanently disable it; there is a button to turn it off, but it resets every time you take the key out of the ignition. There's also a lag between with restarts at a traffic light or stop/go traffic. The system is meant to restart in the time it takes to move your foot from the brake to the gas, but apparently my reflexes are too fast for the system. The system is programmed to keep the car running if the interior temp reaches a certain point, your battery is too weak, or you're running the defrost.

Yeah, I can't stand them either. If it's 60 degrees outside and I'm not making up any time in traffic, it's unnoticeable. But it sucks when it's 90 degrees out in the summer, or where there's long traffic delays. It always feels clumsy.

The domestic brands seem to be fans of them; some put the button near the shifter or near the ignition switch. Others make it some afterthought of a spot next to the radio. I take it they're the ones with the most desperate mpg numbers, because the import brands aren't as big on using them. Hybrids don't have that problem because the battery power and electric motor prevents the slow-speed stuttering of the engine. I've noticed most performance vehicles don't have this feature. Nobody buys a Mustang 5.0 just to hear it cut off abruptly. At least BMW puts the switch next to the start/stop button and remembers that you don't want that crap.

Still, I hate when jerks idle in front of the front door of a building. Take a parking space or move away 50 feet, you inconsiderate lump.

Man buns.

I like the idea of knowing who I can instantly take 50% less-seriously...unless they have a katana.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 03, 2019, 07:07:00 PM
Still, I hate when jerks idle in front of the front door of a building. Take a parking space or move away 50 feet, you inconsiderate lump.

My first real job was pushing shopping carts at a Target in the west suburbs of Chicago (Roosevelt & County Farm, for those of you who care).  I got sick of seeing people drop someone off, then just idle in the fire lane in front of the store for a while—or, worse, pull up in the fire lane, and go inside themselves for a quick purchase.

For my job, I used one of those remote-controlled motorized cart pusher machines.  I also—in the name of efficiency and because nobody told me otherwise for the first few months—tended to push as many carts with the thing as the remote control signal strength would allow me to.  45 carts was my approximate max train length:  much more than that, and the remote control signal would cut out and the machine would stop every so often.

So one day, I had a good long train of carts going, and I saw a car parked in the fire lane.  It irked me.  I double-parked my whole train of shopping carts, curving it just enough to "wrap" the guy in and not let him drive away.  Then I went inside to take a bathroom break, refill my cup, etc.  When I came back out, he was none too happy about having come out to his car with no way to escape.  But there wasn't anything he could do about it either.

I'm sure most of you will find it easy to believe that customer service is not one of my strong suits.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on December 03, 2019, 07:11:05 PM
I have the auto start-stop "feature" on my car and find it very annoying...mainly because I cannot permanently disable it; there is a button to turn it off, but it resets every time you take the key out of the ignition. There's also a lag between with restarts at a traffic light or stop/go traffic. The system is meant to restart in the time it takes to move your foot from the brake to the gas, but apparently my reflexes are too fast for the system. The system is programmed to keep the car running if the interior temp reaches a certain point, your battery is too weak, or you're running the defrost.

Yeah, I can't stand them either. If it's 60 degrees outside and I'm not making up any time in traffic, it's unnoticeable. But it sucks when it's 90 degrees out in the summer, or where there's long traffic delays. It always feels clumsy.

The domestic brands seem to be fans of them; some put the button near the shifter or near the ignition switch. Others make it some afterthought of a spot next to the radio. I take it they're the ones with the most desperate mpg numbers, because the import brands aren't as big on using them. Hybrids don't have that problem because the battery power and electric motor prevents the slow-speed stuttering of the engine. I've noticed most performance vehicles don't have this feature. Nobody buys a Mustang 5.0 just to hear it cut off abruptly. At least BMW puts the switch next to the start/stop button and remembers that you don't want that crap.

Still, I hate when jerks idle in front of the front door of a building. Take a parking space or move away 50 feet, you inconsiderate lump.
Wait until the laws start popping up requiring them (Which has happened in Europe, New York and some local areas)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 03, 2019, 07:26:15 PM
Still, I hate when jerks idle in front of the front door of a building. Take a parking space or move away 50 feet, you inconsiderate lump.

My first real job was pushing shopping carts at a Target in the west suburbs of Chicago (Roosevelt & County Farm, for those of you who care).  I got sick of seeing people drop someone off, then just idle in the fire lane in front of the store for a while—or, worse, pull up in the fire lane, and go inside themselves for a quick purchase.

For my job, I used one of those remote-controlled motorized cart pusher machines.  I also—in the name of efficiency and because nobody told me otherwise for the first few months—tended to push as many carts with the thing as the remote control signal strength would allow me to.  45 carts was my approximate max train length:  much more than that, and the remote control signal would cut out and the machine would stop every so often.

So one day, I had a good long train of carts going, and I saw a car parked in the fire lane.  It irked me.  I double-parked my whole train of shopping carts, curving it just enough to "wrap" the guy in and not let him drive away.  Then I went inside to take a bathroom break, refill my cup, etc.  When I came back out, he was none too happy about having come out to his car with no way to escape.  But there wasn't anything he could do about it either.

I'm sure most of you will find it easy to believe that customer service is not one of my strong suits.

Funny, I had that exact same job at 18.  I found a lot of those people were actually hitting the store on hit-and-run shoplifters.  I later became security later and ended up getting quite a few of the parking lot fiends, those were sweet tiny little victories.  I even had the cart guy block in a couple shoplifters on one occasion. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jakeroot on December 04, 2019, 12:27:13 AM
- Waitresses and retail staff that insist on calling me 'hun'
- The word "hubby"
Would you prefer "love" (The British equivalent)?

Add another one to the list...

"How much have you had, love??"

(+1 for anyone who knows the quote)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MNHighwayMan on December 04, 2019, 03:09:34 AM
My first real job was pushing shopping carts at a Target in the west suburbs of Chicago (Roosevelt & County Farm, for those of you who care).  I got sick of seeing people drop someone off, then just idle in the fire lane in front of the store for a while—or, worse, pull up in the fire lane, and go inside themselves for a quick purchase.

For my job, I used one of those remote-controlled motorized cart pusher machines.  I also—in the name of efficiency and because nobody told me otherwise for the first few months—tended to push as many carts with the thing as the remote control signal strength would allow me to.  45 carts was my approximate max train length:  much more than that, and the remote control signal would cut out and the machine would stop every so often.

So one day, I had a good long train of carts going, and I saw a car parked in the fire lane.  It irked me.  I double-parked my whole train of shopping carts, curving it just enough to "wrap" the guy in and not let him drive away.  Then I went inside to take a bathroom break, refill my cup, etc.  When I came back out, he was none too happy about having come out to his car with no way to escape.  But there wasn't anything he could do about it either.

I'm sure most of you will find it easy to believe that customer service is not one of my strong suits.
Funny, I had that exact same job at 18.  I found a lot of those people were actually hitting the store on hit-and-run shoplifters.  I later became security later and ended up getting quite a few of the parking lot fiends, those were sweet tiny little victories.  I even had the cart guy block in a couple shoplifters on one occasion.

As did I, from age 16 all the way until I graduated high school. Company policy was to limit the cart pusher to twenty carts, but I often got away with double that. Did not deal with shoplifters though, not that we had very many in a town of 7000 people. If they did, they were doing it at the Wal-Mart instead!
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on December 04, 2019, 06:24:11 AM
- The word "hubby"

What is...words you've seen on greeting cards and tabloid news but have never actually heard anyone actually say?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 04, 2019, 07:42:38 AM
- The word "hubby"

What is...words you've seen on greeting cards and tabloid news but have never actually heard anyone actually say?

You've apparently been lucky. I've heard it way too often when someone's attempting be funny or as a term of endearment.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on December 04, 2019, 10:56:40 AM
The auto start and stop is annoying.  My parents have a Subaru with that feature that I drove over Thanksgiving weekend and I found it actually concerning due to the additional wear that may be caused by all those starts.  Car shuddered a little too on each one.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 04, 2019, 11:26:10 AM
My first real job was pushing shopping carts at a Target in the west suburbs of Chicago (Roosevelt & County Farm, for those of you who care).  I got sick of seeing people drop someone off, then just idle in the fire lane in front of the store for a while—or, worse, pull up in the fire lane, and go inside themselves for a quick purchase.

For my job, I used one of those remote-controlled motorized cart pusher machines.  I also—in the name of efficiency and because nobody told me otherwise for the first few months—tended to push as many carts with the thing as the remote control signal strength would allow me to.  45 carts was my approximate max train length:  much more than that, and the remote control signal would cut out and the machine would stop every so often.

So one day, I had a good long train of carts going, and I saw a car parked in the fire lane.  It irked me.  I double-parked my whole train of shopping carts, curving it just enough to "wrap" the guy in and not let him drive away.  Then I went inside to take a bathroom break, refill my cup, etc.  When I came back out, he was none too happy about having come out to his car with no way to escape.  But there wasn't anything he could do about it either.

I'm sure most of you will find it easy to believe that customer service is not one of my strong suits.
Funny, I had that exact same job at 18.  I found a lot of those people were actually hitting the store on hit-and-run shoplifters.  I later became security later and ended up getting quite a few of the parking lot fiends, those were sweet tiny little victories.  I even had the cart guy block in a couple shoplifters on one occasion.

As did I, from age 16 all the way until I graduated high school. Company policy was to limit the cart pusher to twenty carts, but I often got away with double that. Did not deal with shoplifters though, not that we had very many in a town of 7000 people. If they did, they were doing it at the Wal-Mart instead!

I think it was 20 back then also, or at least I remember people getting upset about long cart trains.  I was training for police tests so I usually just pushed a train of 15 carts by hand.  I only did that job for one summer but trimmed down from my hockey playing weight of 190 down to 160.  It probably didn’t hurt it was often 110 degrees in Phoenix most of the summer of 2001.  I was getting adept at distance running at the time also so the cart gig helped tremendously to that end.  The worst part was that they wanted me to cashier on occasion which I would go out of my way to avoid at all costs.  I hated talking to people and I mostly get by with the reasoning that customers didn’t want to see someone drenched in sweat and sunscreen. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 04, 2019, 12:01:18 PM
The auto start and stop is annoying.  My parents have a Subaru with that feature that I drove over Thanksgiving weekend and I found it actually concerning due to the additional wear that may be caused by all those starts.  Car shuddered a little too on each one.

I was in someone's car with that feature recently.  Yeah, I didn't care for it either.

Having a hybrid, I don't have that issue.  Actually, it vary rarely turns off when stopped, because it's usually already switched over to electric mode in the process of slowing down.  When I speed up, it continues to use the battery for a little bit as well.

Recently, sitting in traffic, the car did go from gas to electric while stopped.  The carpool member with me asked if does that every time.  I've had the car for 6 months, sitting in traffic every day with this guy, and it's the first time I remember it doing that, including on that very trip.  So, that answer would be a big fat No.  Let's just say this particular guy is the type that knows everything, yet is very unobservant about most everything as well.  (When he can't believe traffic is jammed (which it is every day), I'll ask if he just saw the travel time sign we just past. The answer, every time, is No.)


Another job, especially related to this group: Toll Collector. 

My brother-in-law (not the picky-eater-in-law described a few posts above) was a toll collector about 30 years ago, and was bored out of his mind after a month, and quit after a few months. Nothing else to but to make change, read a book, and listen to the radio...and occasionally give directions. He was told that his ability to make correct change "over 95% of the time" was impressive, which made him realize there was no hope for climbing the career ladder. He'd told me that it took a day or two to not wince at the sight of a 18-wheeler going 55 mph, which was the toughest part of the job.

Your mileage may have varied!

I don't recall actually being concerned about truckers in regard to their speed - truckers tended to slow down further away from the plazas, whereas car drivers tended to drive very fast up to (and occasionally thru) the toll lane. I did have a car run up the concrete barrier in the front of the adjoining booth…slow enough that it wasn't much of a concern, except for the fact the driver was laughing about it.  Me and the toll attendant next to me gave the driver a WTF look, and the driver got mad at us, as if running a car up a barrier mere feet from a toll booth operator should be taken as a funny joke!
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: tchafe1978 on December 04, 2019, 12:05:41 PM
My first real job was pushing shopping carts at a Target in the west suburbs of Chicago (Roosevelt & County Farm, for those of you who care).  I got sick of seeing people drop someone off, then just idle in the fire lane in front of the store for a while—or, worse, pull up in the fire lane, and go inside themselves for a quick purchase.

For my job, I used one of those remote-controlled motorized cart pusher machines.  I also—in the name of efficiency and because nobody told me otherwise for the first few months—tended to push as many carts with the thing as the remote control signal strength would allow me to.  45 carts was my approximate max train length:  much more than that, and the remote control signal would cut out and the machine would stop every so often.

So one day, I had a good long train of carts going, and I saw a car parked in the fire lane.  It irked me.  I double-parked my whole train of shopping carts, curving it just enough to "wrap" the guy in and not let him drive away.  Then I went inside to take a bathroom break, refill my cup, etc.  When I came back out, he was none too happy about having come out to his car with no way to escape.  But there wasn't anything he could do about it either.

I'm sure most of you will find it easy to believe that customer service is not one of my strong suits.
Funny, I had that exact same job at 18.  I found a lot of those people were actually hitting the store on hit-and-run shoplifters.  I later became security later and ended up getting quite a few of the parking lot fiends, those were sweet tiny little victories.  I even had the cart guy block in a couple shoplifters on one occasion.

As did I, from age 16 all the way until I graduated high school. Company policy was to limit the cart pusher to twenty carts, but I often got away with double that. Did not deal with shoplifters though, not that we had very many in a town of 7000 people. If they did, they were doing it at the Wal-Mart instead!

I think it was 20 back then also, or at least I remember people getting upset about long cart trains.  I was training for police tests so I usually just pushed a train of 15 carts by hand.  I only did that job for one summer but trimmed down from my hockey playing weight of 190 down to 160.  It probably didn’t hurt it was often 110 degrees in Phoenix most of the summer of 2001.  I was getting adept at distance running at the time also so the cart gig helped tremendously to that end.  The worst part was that they wanted me to cashier on occasion which I would go out of my way to avoid at all costs.  I hated talking to people and I mostly get by with the reasoning that customers didn’t want to see someone drenched in sweat and sunscreen. 

My first real job was pushing carts and bagging groceries. We didn't have a cart mule, so we pushed all the carts by hand, which was made slightly easier by the parking slot sloping down towards the store. Unfortunately, at least for the cars and their owners, on more than one occasion a customer would stop to drop someone off or whatever right in front of the door just as I was bringing a line of carts in. Sorry, but I have no way to stop a line of carts headed downhill on a dime, and avoid hitting your car.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 04, 2019, 04:53:30 PM
Another minor gripe that I frequently encounter --

Public restrooms usually don't have a place to put a few items while using the stall.  Say you have a few books with you and you want to set them down while you use the commode.

All it would take is a board about 8 x 24 inches attached to the wall with 2 angle brackets.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 04, 2019, 04:59:43 PM
Another minor gripe that I frequently encounter --

Public restrooms usually don't have a place to put a few items while using the stall.  Say you have a few books with you and you want to set them down while you use the commode.

All it would take is a board about 8 x 24 inches attached to the wall with 2 angle brackets.

I like the idea, but it would likely become a big target for vandalism. There's an outlet mall I was at, where they recessed the wall like a shower shelf, behind the toilet in every stall.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 04, 2019, 05:04:16 PM
Another minor gripe that I frequently encounter --
Public restrooms usually don't have a place to put a few items while using the stall.  Say you have a few books with you and you want to set them down while you use the commode.
All it would take is a board about 8 x 24 inches attached to the wall with 2 angle brackets.
I like the idea, but it would likely become a big target for vandalism.
No more than any other appurtenance in the restroom.

There's an outlet mall I was at, where they recessed the wall like a shower shelf, behind the toilet in every stall.
I have seen that, probably no more materials needed than without it being recessed.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Mrt90 on December 04, 2019, 05:07:14 PM
The auto start and stop is annoying.  My parents have a Subaru with that feature that I drove over Thanksgiving weekend and I found it actually concerning due to the additional wear that may be caused by all those starts.  Car shuddered a little too on each one.
I test drove a couple of VW's with that feature, and I couldn't really tell when the engine was being restarted, but I didn't like sitting in an intersection waiting to make a left turn and knowing that the car would have to restart which probably caused me to sit there waiting longer than I needed to.  Fortunately the VW's have a button by the gear selector where you can turn off the start/stop feature; if I bought one I would probably hit that button immediately after starting the car.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: mgk920 on December 05, 2019, 04:33:00 AM
Regarding the auto idle stop, my wife’s car has it. I keep an eye on the other direction’s traffic light so as to lift my foot off the brake quickly before the light goes green. That way the car starts back up in advance of it being time to move. I’ve been in that habit for years because in my cars I like to shift into gear and be ready to move.

Regarding waitstaff, I waited tables at a retirement home when I was in high school. It definitely gives you a different perspective on how people treat waiters and waitresses and I tend to be a lot more polite to them as a result.

As über-annoying as I can imagine that stop-start thing to be, could this be an impetus for the European style one or two second red/yellow signal phase to be added to the standard traffic signal cycle in the USA's MUTCD?

Also, yes, some people are beyond annoying and/or stupid as customers.  I tend to ignore them and if you ignore those truly bad ones enough, they'll eventually go away.

Mike
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: mgk920 on December 05, 2019, 05:15:32 AM
A few more:

- One vehicle, usually a fancy ego trip one, that takes up two (or more) parking spaces.
- Someone, usually an older retiree, taking forever at the counter of a C-store while he or she is buying and cashing scratch off lottery tickets.
- I'll second the one about vehicles that are loudly rattling to the sub-bass beat of the crap that is being played on their sound systems.
- Regarding public 'facilities', people who don't flush after doing a #1.
- Customers who keep their phones stuck to their heads while they are taking care of business transactions (when I was very young, I was taught that it was rude to interrupt someone when he or she is on the phone - and I still gladly practice that!).
- Nicotine addicts.

Mike
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 05, 2019, 06:43:49 AM
- I'll second the one about vehicles that are loudly rattling to the sub-bass beat of the crap that is being played on their sound systems.
Boom cars.  One the noise scourges that anti-noise activist groups are working to eliminate.

- Regarding public 'facilities', people who don't flush after doing a #1.
Seemingly minor, but I still find it nasty to often see that when I go into the stall.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: TheHighwayMan394 on December 05, 2019, 07:08:56 AM
My experience with fast food was that there are people who knowingly take advantage of company policies generally prohibiting employees from responding in kind to douche customers. They know they can unload their misery and be as mean, rude, denigrating as they please because they won't hear a word in return, and if they do pick on the wrong employee to target with their spew they can immediately turn around to play victim and try to get people fired because they know corporate will likely take their side.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on December 05, 2019, 08:49:41 AM
I was just programming online bill payments and I found myself thinking how stupid it is that creditors will set due dates on days when the banks aren’t open and online payments can’t be made (in this case, my Verizon bill is due December 25). It’s a minor annoyance because I normally program the payments for the business day before the due date anyway (so I set this one for December 24, and I would have done so even if December 25 were not a holiday), but it seems dumb to have bills due on Sundays or holidays.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 05, 2019, 09:02:54 AM
Going to the bank just to get a roll of quarters and being stuck behind someone with a drawn-out and/or complicated transaction.



and 5 other employees doing nothing who can't go be a 2nd teller
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 05, 2019, 09:04:48 AM
I'm one of those who gets annoyed by almost everything!, Yeah, go ahead and call me out on it. :awesomeface: Most of this certainly is arbitrary and I decline to say everything because it sets off a chain reaction of shit that need not be said.

*Overmoderation of this forum  :-D :-D
Good behavior is the solution to your problem ;) (said ind true hypocritical fashion - by the way, H.B., this is a sarcastic response.)

oh by the way, OK Boomer. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  (Ok, so I pressed one too many buttons)

Nothing is valid except ISO 8601 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601).

👍

That is the way to go.
Yes.  it sorts better. Also trying to sort files electronically when the policy/trend is to put given name first.

*  Motorists using their turn signal when exiting.

I disagree, because communicating your intentions is always valuable to other drivers on the road. Also, isn’t this legally required in most states anyway?


Moving into a previously existing lane, absolutely.  Signalling when moving into a new lane at the point it opens up is pointless.

Hey everyone, I'm getting off the freeway!  Yes it makes sense when the idiot exiting slows down to freaking 35 (arbitrary) before committing such action.  Otherwise, I could care less. At the same time, signaling when getting ON the freeway - Hey, I already see you (Though in fairness, not everyone is hyper-aware). Not signaling when changing lanes grinds my gears, however the robotic nature of signaling at every point where its a turn also gets to me - three left turn lanes? you're in the left lane? STILL HAVE TO SIGNAL per the law.

In football: not using analytics and therefore punting the ball away on 4th and 1 just so they don't get criticized; overcalling of penalties.  Having two football teams in Los Angeles.  Not going to an 18 game schedule/having those ridiculous pre-season games.

Speaking of football, Here's a tidbit from the TV Tropes "Insistent Terminology" (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/InsistentTerminology/RealLife) series

Quote
American football announcers — presumably fearful lest those of us watching/listening to the games get confused as to exactly which sport is being played — take great pains to insert the word football (as both noun and adjective) into as much of their commentary as possible. So instead of saying, "These players need to move the ball down the field if they're going to win this game", they'll go with something like, "These football players need to move the football down the football field if they're going to win this football game," and so forth.

* Here's a supercut video an intrepid fan made of every time CBS analyst Phil Simms said "football" during a single telecast of an NFL game.note The game, for the curious, was a 2012 Thanksgiving Day matchup between the Detroit Lions and Houston Texans. It was not an especially unusual or important game, although it did go into overtime. (Total count: 58.) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OVNsQATJGA)

** Baseball announcers, by contrast, will often call entire games without mentioning the name of the sport. Instead, it's "the ballgame", "the ballpark", "the ballplayers", etc.
*PLAY BALL!
*Foul Ball
*Fastball
*Curve Ball

--oh boy...🙄

Quote

**The difference is probably because professional football grew up so much in baseball's shadow that most of the teams played in baseball stadiums and many of them were even named after those baseball teams: The New York Giants were at first the New York Football Giants, for instance, until the San Francisco Giants moved to San Francisco.note  Even that professional sports team from Maryland mentioned above was originally the Boston Football Braves. Hence explicitly saying what sport is going on to avoid being mistaken for the other, better-known sport.
Yeah one can understand this.

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**An inversion occurs in real life with the Super Bowl. "Super Bowl" is a trademarked phrase, hence the alternate term "The Big Game."
Doesn't mean it can't bother me.

* "I VOTED" Stickers, yeah it's part of the effort to get everyone to be involved in the election, but still.
* I'm a human.  I also am known as a person, American, worker, taxpayer, stakeholder, investor, voter, motorist, etc.  ok, so we change the name based on the context.
* motorist - what does a motor have to do with driving a car? Along these lines, names of car dealerships containing "motor" - Also using the word AUTO to refer to a vehicle.
* Overuse of "and" such as in "each and every", "alcohol and other drugs", etc.
* because it's tradition as a reason for not adapting to changes.

Anyone need a collaboration of "serious business" items (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SeriousBusiness/RealLife)? :popcorn:

Law of the month VMS

blah
blah
blah
SLOW DOWN

thanks for the reminder, any idiot who says "New York FOOTBALL Giants".....and Jagwires…...
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 05, 2019, 09:05:11 AM

- The word "hubby"

or "hubs"
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 05, 2019, 09:09:32 AM
- The word "hubby"

What is...words you've seen on greeting cards and tabloid news but have never actually heard anyone actually say?

Notice how every TV show from the 60s they sing "for he's a jolly good fellow"?   Has anyone ever sung that or heard that sung at a party, ever?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman65 on December 05, 2019, 11:02:02 AM
I heard that the Happy Birthday song is copywrited (yes NE2 I misspelled a word hold your ego please) so that is why they never hardly sing it not only on TV but at restaurants as well.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman65 on December 05, 2019, 11:09:23 AM
When you are placed on hold with that eerie music.  Not only that but I do not like when every minute or so a recorded message kicks in to let you know you are on hold!  Really???  I think we all know that we are holding for a real live person, that message is insulting to anyone.  Plus when you hear that break in the music, for a brief part of a second you are excited  that finally you are not on hold anymore only to move back in time to the beginning after you hear that same message once again starting from the beginning of the hold process.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on December 05, 2019, 11:28:36 AM
I heard that the Happy Birthday song is copywrited (yes NE2 I misspelled a word hold your ego please) so that is why they never hardly sing it not only on TV but at restaurants as well.

You also misspelled Sheryl Crow’s name in your signature.  :D
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: mgk920 on December 05, 2019, 11:48:44 AM
A USA federal court ruled not that long ago that it is in fact 'public domain' due to its copyright having expired.

 :clap:

As it stands right now, *nothing* created before 1924 is under any form of USA copyright protection.

Mike
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 05, 2019, 12:43:05 PM
One vehicle, usually a fancy ego trip one, that takes up two (or more) parking spaces.

Fortunately, most people who do this park their car wa-a-a-ay at the back of the lot, where they aren't really taking up anyone else's space.  In that case, it doesn't bother me.  However, if they take up two spaces toward the front of the lot, I've been known to squeeze my car into the half-space on the driver's side of their car, with my car a mere two inches from his door.


- I'll second the one about vehicles that are loudly rattling to the sub-bass beat of the crap that is being played on their sound systems.

Boom cars.  One the noise scourges that anti-noise activist groups are working to eliminate.

I don't mind cars that go boom-boom too terribly much, unless it's so loud that it actually makes me feel queasy.  But what annoys me to no end is the rattle.  My best friend likes to say that they can sink hundreds of dollars into their car's sound system but they can't afford to put two extra screws through their license plate to stop it rattling.

When you are placed on hold with that eerie music.  Not only that but I do not like when every minute or so a recorded message kicks in to let you know you are on hold!  Really???  I think we all know that we are holding for a real live person, that message is insulting to anyone.  Plus when you hear that break in the music, for a brief part of a second you are excited  that finally you are not on hold anymore only to move back in time to the beginning after you hear that same message once again starting from the beginning of the hold process.

I also get annoyed at hold music that wasn't designed to be hold music.  Because of modern limitations, the low and high frequencies get stripped from phone transmissions and the rest is grotesquely compressed, so most "normal" music ends up sounding like crap.  Listening to that for minutes on end on a cruel loop is not my idea of fun.  But "that eerie music", on the other hand, I find less annoying.  At least it was designed to be hold music and therefore comes across to my ear more or less as intended.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: vdeane on December 05, 2019, 01:49:56 PM
I was just programming online bill payments and I found myself thinking how stupid it is that creditors will set due dates on days when the banks aren’t open and online payments can’t be made (in this case, my Verizon bill is due December 25). It’s a minor annoyance because I normally program the payments for the business day before the due date anyway (so I set this one for December 24, and I would have done so even if December 25 were not a holiday), but it seems dumb to have bills due on Sundays or holidays.
I always just send online payments immediately so I've never noticed, but adding to that, why do online payments care about weekends and holidays?  They're theoretically online, right?  Computers don't take days off!

I don't understand why banks insist on "online banking" being just a front-end while keeping a bunch of humans doing processing on the back-end... probably with computers!  Bank tellers now just type in the information on a deposit ticket or withdrawal slip, so I'm imagining people sitting in cubicles taking the information on one screen and typing it into another.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 05, 2019, 01:57:32 PM
adding to that, why do online payments care about weekends and holidays?  They're theoretically online, right?  Computers don't take days off!

Maybe they take the servers offline every weekend.   :-P
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 05, 2019, 02:00:58 PM
Boom cars.  One the noise scourges that anti-noise activist groups are working to eliminate.
I don't mind cars that go boom-boom too terribly much, unless it's so loud that it actually makes me feel queasy.  But what annoys me to no end is the rattle.  My best friend likes to say that they can sink hundreds of dollars into their car's sound system but they can't afford to put two extra screws through their license plate to stop it rattling.
The "boom cars" that I am referring to are the ones with massive sound systems including woofers and sub-woofers, and in addition to the normal audible frequencies produce massive amounts of low-frequency noise and infrasound.

Infrasound is below the frequency of human audible sound, but when highly amplified literally makes the air to vibrate, and other nearby structures to vibrate.

That is what is so egregious about these boom cars.  Toxic noise.  Needs to go to the Abyss.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 05, 2019, 02:05:37 PM
All sound literally makes the air to vibrate.

Fixed that for you.  :)  Ever stood in front of a bass player's amplifier?

That is what is so egregious about these boom cars.  Toxic noise.  Needs to go to the Abyss.

Yes.  If it's loud enough and low enough, I actually start to feel sick to my stomach from the vibration.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 05, 2019, 02:08:02 PM
I drives me bonkers when people exclaim, "Only in __________!"

Oh really.  It snowed yesterday and now today's high is 60 degrees?  Guess what:  that doesn't only happen in your state.

Oh really.  Drivers are aggressive?  Guess what:  that doesn't only happen in your city.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: webny99 on December 05, 2019, 02:09:35 PM
This forum.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 05, 2019, 02:10:06 PM
is not a minor thing!
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on December 05, 2019, 02:12:38 PM
I drives me bonkers when people exclaim, "Only in __________!"

Oh really.  It snowed yesterday and now today's high is 60 degrees?  Guess what:  that doesn't only happen in your state.

Oh really.  Drivers are aggressive?  Guess what:  that doesn't only happen in your city.

Many people tend to have a narrow window in which to view the world, let alone this nation.

Though in places where snow is rare, it's an event.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 05, 2019, 02:15:27 PM
All sound literally makes the air to vibrate.
Fixed that for you.  :)  Ever stood in front of a bass player's amplifier?
My entire quote says what I wanted it to say, the characteristic of infrasound that while you cannot hear it directly, that it still does have the same effects of sound --
Infrasound is below the frequency of human audible sound, but when highly amplified literally makes the air to vibrate, and other nearby structures to vibrate.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 05, 2019, 02:19:57 PM


All sound literally makes the air to vibrate.

Fixed that for you.  :)  Ever stood in front of a bass player's amplifier?

My entire quote says what I wanted it to say, the characteristic of infrasound that while you cannot hear it directly, that it still does have the same effects of sound --
Infrasound is below the frequency of human audible sound, but when highly amplified literally makes the air to vibrate, and other nearby structures to vibrate.

Oh, I know.  I was joking with you.  My point is only that sound doesn't have to be below the frequency range to be felt.  I figured you knew that, sorry for implying otherwise.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 05, 2019, 02:23:24 PM
My entire quote says what I wanted it to say, the characteristic of infrasound that while you cannot hear it directly, that it still does have the same effects of sound --
Infrasound is below the frequency of human audible sound, but when highly amplified literally makes the air to vibrate, and other nearby structures to vibrate.
Oh, I know.  I was joking with you.  My point is only that sound doesn't have to be below the frequency range to be felt.  I figured you knew that, sorry for implying otherwise.
True …

Just like sunlight doesn't have to be above or below the visual spectrum, as in ultraviolet and infrared radiation, for people to be able to feel the radiant heat from the Sun.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 05, 2019, 02:27:45 PM
In day-to-day life, though, most people don't typically feel sound through their body.  Unless you're in front of a speaker at a concert or right next to a locomotive or something, there's not much opportunity to become aware of mere sound causing vibrations in your gut.

And, to be fair, some of the sound coming out of an amplifier is below the audible frequency spectrum, and I guess the same is true of that hypothetical locomotive.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: GaryV on December 05, 2019, 02:28:03 PM
I was just programming online bill payments and I found myself thinking how stupid it is that creditors will set due dates on days when the banks aren’t open and online payments can’t be made ...

I've never had a problem with scheduling a payment in advance, when the due date fell on a holiday or weekend.  It just gets credited with a pending notation.

What bugs me though is when I've scheduled a payment, and then about a week before it's due another email is sent saying my payment is due soon.  Oh crap, did I forget to schedule it, do it wrong, or miss the original email?  So I go into the website, and maybe they have a way to see if I have any scheduled payments.  Or maybe not, and I have to go to my checkbook to see if I've already entered that payment.  Way to much work!  Don't send me another "almost due" notice if I've already scheduled the payment!
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Scott5114 on December 05, 2019, 03:17:48 PM
My experience with fast food was that there are people who knowingly take advantage of company policies generally prohibiting employees from responding in kind to douche customers. They know they can unload their misery and be as mean, rude, denigrating as they please because they won't hear a word in return, and if they do pick on the wrong employee to target with their spew they can immediately turn around to play victim and try to get people fired because they know corporate will likely take their side.

Which why it's great when these same people try to pull their shit in a casino. We are in the business of taking people's money and giving them nothing in return. So your complaints are going to go nowhere, which means we don't suffer people unloading on us. Being a douche will not get you a refund or free stuff—it will get you escorted from the premises by an armed guard at best, or that plus snide comments from the staff if you happen to do it to someone with experience!


In re the payments things: most of these issues are probably caused by payments going through the ACH system. Which doesn't conduct transactions on weekends or holidays, because it's run by a bunch of bankers. This also explains why you get "your bill is almost due" notifications when the transaction has already been scheduled—if something is scheduled to take place in the ACH system, the recipient is not notified, they just suddenly have money show up in their account on that day. So it looks to them as if no attempt at a payment has been made.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 05, 2019, 05:13:43 PM
In day-to-day life, though, most people don't typically feel sound through their body. 
That is what some people who post on those anti-noise activism sites hate about "boom cars."

The very nature of the low-frequency sound and infrasound when it is heavily amplified, is that it travels a long way and can vibrate and rattle cars and buildings over a block away.

I used to work on the 3rd floor of a building that fronts on Leigh Street, a 6-lane arterial.  At least a dozen times a day a boom car would be stopped at the light, and even up there it was very annoying.
 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: webny99 on December 05, 2019, 06:09:33 PM
This forum.
is not a minor thing!

I can't speak for others, but in the context of my life as a whole, this forum is very much a minor thing. Fundamentally, it's a great place; but it's also been a relationship fraught with feelings of exasperation, frustration, and suppression, which takes an outsized emotional toll.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2019, 06:31:11 PM
This forum.
is not a minor thing!

I can't speak for others, but in the context of my life as a whole, this forum is very much a minor thing. Fundamentally, it's a great place; but it's also been a relationship fraught with feelings of exasperation, frustration, and suppression, which takes an outsized emotional toll.

Really all social media platforms are minor in the grand scheme of things.  Forums like this purely are hobby level entertainment, I don’t know why anyone would take anything on here as a personal thing. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 05, 2019, 07:43:19 PM

This forum.

is not a minor thing!


I can't speak for others, but in the context of my life as a whole, this forum is very much a minor thing. Fundamentally, it's a great place; but it's also been a relationship fraught with feelings of exasperation, frustration, and suppression, which takes an outsized emotional toll.

Not sure if you caught it or not*, but I wasn't being serious**.  This forum is quite the minor thing.  It definitely drops by the wayside when more important things in my life demand the time.



*  You have a way of playing along as if you didn't get something the first time, and you do it well enough that I can't always tell.

** This seems to be happening with my posts a lot lately.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2019, 08:24:34 PM
Speaking of road related “minor” annoyances I’d say grid numbering perfectionism would be pretty high up there.  Absolute adherence to the MUTCD gets old sometimes too when it is focused on font variations that are so minor the average person would never notice. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: webny99 on December 05, 2019, 10:12:27 PM
This forum.
is not a minor thing!
I can't speak for others, but in the context of my life as a whole, this forum is very much a minor thing. Fundamentally, it's a great place; but it's also been a relationship fraught with feelings of exasperation, frustration, and suppression, which takes an outsized emotional toll.
Not sure if you caught it or not*, but I wasn't being serious**.  This forum is quite the minor thing.  It definitely drops by the wayside when more important things in my life demand the time.

*  You have a way of playing along as if you didn't get something the first time, and you do it well enough that I can't always tell.
** This seems to be happening with my posts a lot lately.


I am chuckling about your first footnote. I actually regard that as a compliment, backwards as it may sound!  :)

For what it's worth, I decided, given the total lack of context on either of our parts, not to worry - or care - about whether you were serious, and just go ahead and say what I wanted to say. I wasn't really "playing along" as much as just using your reply to segue into the substantive.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 06, 2019, 09:20:17 AM
another football one "forced to punt"  No one forces you to punt, it's a decision.  Also "walk off" everything.  Every game in any sport has a last play.  We did fine before walk offs.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on December 06, 2019, 09:36:28 AM
Speaking of road related “minor” annoyances I’d say grid numbering perfectionism would be pretty high up there.  Absolute adherence to the MUTCD gets old sometimes too when it is focused on font variations that are so minor the average person would never notice. 

I think there's a good idea for a thread: Unpopular Roadgeek Opinions

(With the pretext that we're not out to hurt feelings, unless one is taking this hobby too seriously.)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 06, 2019, 09:52:33 AM
Speaking of road related “minor” annoyances I’d say grid numbering perfectionism would be pretty high up there.  Absolute adherence to the MUTCD gets old sometimes too when it is focused on font variations that are so minor the average person would never notice. 

I think there's a good idea for a thread: Unpopular Roadgeek Opinions

(With the pretext that we're not out to hurt feelings, unless one is taking this hobby too seriously.)

That’s the problem, I think there is a couple folks out there that REALLY take those opinions seriously.  Regarding the signage I’ve suspected that a lot of people who are big to proper fonts and MUTCD compliance would be really surprised how ugly/utilitarian they can be up close.  Almost all of my field signage in the back yard looks like something you’d on a race car, it looks nice from ten feet but is all sorts frumpy up close. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 06, 2019, 10:27:40 AM
Naming winter storms
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MNHighwayMan on December 06, 2019, 11:04:41 AM
Naming winter storms

Agree 100 percent.

The practice began with The Weather Channel, and has now made its way into public discourse. Susan Buchanan, spokesperson for the NWS, states "The National Weather Service does not name winter storms because a winter storm's impact can vary from one location to another, and storms can weaken and redevelop, making it difficult to define where one ends and another begins."

AccuWeather president Joel Myers also stated, "The Weather Channel has confused media spin with science and public safety."

Source article: https://www.chicagotribune.com/weather/ct-wea-asktom-0304-20180302-column.html

If the NWS is calling your practice bullshit, you should probably stop.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on December 06, 2019, 11:39:26 AM
Naming winter storms

Agree 100 percent.

The practice began with The Weather Channel, and has now made its way into public discourse. Susan Buchanan, spokesperson for the NWS, states "The National Weather Service does not name winter storms because a winter storm's impact can vary from one location to another, and storms can weaken and redevelop, making it difficult to define where one ends and another begins."

AccuWeather president Joel Myers also stated, "The Weather Channel has confused media spin with science and public safety."

Source article: https://www.chicagotribune.com/weather/ct-wea-asktom-0304-20180302-column.html

If the NWS is calling your practice bullshit, you should probably stop.

...but, but...building awareness!  :rolleyes:  It makes memes with incredibly-short shelf lives, and provides the clueless with instant baby names.

It's winter, there's always gong to be something happening, about to happen, or potentially could happen to 75-90% of the population at any given time.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kurumi on December 06, 2019, 11:46:58 AM
More minor stuff:

Text-mode programs using backticks and apostrophes to mimic smart quotes like ``this’’. It’s uglier than using plain old "double quotes".

Buildings or shops with double-door entries where one of the doors is locked. Bonus if there's not even a "please use other door sign".

Truly minor: the "vi" in the overused I - V - vi - VI chord progression.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 06, 2019, 11:47:46 AM
Naming winter storms

Agree 100 percent.

The practice began with The Weather Channel, and has now made its way into public discourse. Susan Buchanan, spokesperson for the NWS, states "The National Weather Service does not name winter storms because a winter storm's impact can vary from one location to another, and storms can weaken and redevelop, making it difficult to define where one ends and another begins."

AccuWeather president Joel Myers also stated, "The Weather Channel has confused media spin with science and public safety."

Source article: https://www.chicagotribune.com/weather/ct-wea-asktom-0304-20180302-column.html

If the NWS is calling your practice bullshit, you should probably stop.

...but, but...building awareness!  :rolleyes:  It makes memes with incredibly-short shelf lives, and provides the clueless with instant baby names.

It's winter, there's always gong to be something happening, about to happen, or potentially could happen to 75-90% of the population at any given time.

...but, but...bullshit. It's as bad as tv stations providing a weather impact scale a la the terror threat level. My '1' level impact may be your '10'; quit wasting all of our time.

People complaining about the use of the term 'winter storm' (as in advisory or warning) for snow/sleet in "fall" (they also seem to forget that most of December is in fall, too).
It's the best description for the type of weather, not the season, dumbasses.  :pan:
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: vdeane on December 06, 2019, 12:59:33 PM
...but, but...bullshit. It's as bad as tv stations providing a weather impact scale a la the terror threat level. My '1' level impact may be your '10'; quit wasting all of our time.
Reminds me of something I was reading about Sinclair stations being required to designate certain days "red alert days" in their forecasts.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 06, 2019, 01:00:59 PM
I am chuckling about your first footnote. I actually regard that as a compliment, backwards as it may sound!  :)

I intended it as a compliment.

segue into the substantive

Wow, seriously?  You're awfully young to be able to use that sort of phrase with such masterful irony.



Truly minor: the "vi" in the overused I - V - vi - VI chord progression.

Are you sure you wrote that correctly?  Or did you mean to type I - V - vi - IV63 instead?  Assuming that was a mistake, then you should remember that the chord of which you speak did in fact please the Lord.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: webny99 on December 06, 2019, 02:25:57 PM
segue into the substantive
Wow, seriously?  You're awfully young to be able to use that sort of phrase with such masterful irony.

OK, now I really can't tell if you're being serious or not, and I'm not sure what me being young has to do with it.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 06, 2019, 02:46:33 PM
 :bigass:
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on December 06, 2019, 05:28:37 PM
Prompted by a radio ad I heard: People confusing “slash” and “backslash.” A URL does not contain a backslash.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1 on December 06, 2019, 05:33:23 PM
Prompted by a radio ad I heard: People confusing “slash” and “backslash.” A URL does not contain a backslash.

Stop & Shop claims that you can read the full rules of a contest at a website containing a backslash. Even worse, it's part of the disclaimer, and disclaimers are legally required to be accurate.

However, in my browser, typing a backslash automatically results in it changing to a forward slash, even for the legitimate URL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/\ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/\). (Replacing \ with %5C (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%5C) brings it to the correct article.)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on December 07, 2019, 07:11:00 AM
Naming winter storms

Agree 100 percent.

The practice began with The Weather Channel, and has now made its way into public discourse. Susan Buchanan, spokesperson for the NWS, states "The National Weather Service does not name winter storms because a winter storm's impact can vary from one location to another, and storms can weaken and redevelop, making it difficult to define where one ends and another begins."

AccuWeather president Joel Myers also stated, "The Weather Channel has confused media spin with science and public safety."

Source article: https://www.chicagotribune.com/weather/ct-wea-asktom-0304-20180302-column.html

If the NWS is calling your practice bullshit, you should probably stop.

...but, but...building awareness!  :rolleyes:  It makes memes with incredibly-short shelf lives, and provides the clueless with instant baby names.

It's winter, there's always gong to be something happening, about to happen, or potentially could happen to 75-90% of the population at any given time.

...but, but...bullshit. It's as bad as tv stations providing a weather impact scale a la the terror threat level. My '1' level impact may be your '10'; quit wasting all of our time.

People complaining about the use of the term 'winter storm' (as in advisory or warning) for snow/sleet in "fall" (they also seem to forget that most of December is in fall, too).
It's the best description for the type of weather, not the season, dumbasses.  :pan:
December Solstice is not the first day of winter (same is true for the other sun crossing points).  The fact that people pin a schedule on seasons which can vary by year makes me sick.

also I agree on the naming of winter storms.  The Weather Channel, like any private weather company, is in it for the entertainment and sales more than they are for health and safety.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kurumi on December 07, 2019, 01:52:42 PM
Truly minor: the "vi" in the overused I - V - vi - VI chord progression.

Are you sure you wrote that correctly?  Or did you mean to type I - V - vi - IV63 instead?  Assuming that was a mistake, then you should remember that the chord of which you speak did in fact please the Lord.

Good catch, it's a typo. Fourth chord should indeed be IV. Ending at VI is an odd sort of Picardy Third cadence. Since the Picardy hymn ("Let all Mortal Flesh Keep Silence") doesn't end on a Picardy Third, the degree to which this might please the Lord is found wanting.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: bulldog1979 on December 07, 2019, 02:11:53 PM
As it stands right now, *nothing* created before 1924 is under any form of USA copyright protection.
Actually, this statement is not correct. Nothing published before 1924 is under copyright protection in the US, and anything published in 1923 fell into the public domain at the first of this year. Barring a change in the law, on New Year's Day every year, another year's worth of published materials will fall into the public domain. Copyrights on newer published works may have expired for other reasons already, or never applied in the first place.

The rules for unpublished works are different. To be considered published, the work has to be distributed to the public. For an unpublished work, copyright attaches for the life of the author plus 70 years. So a photograph taken by my grandmother that was never published will remain under copyright until January 1, 2074. (She passed away on in 2003, so the rights will lapse at the end of the year 70 years later.) Any rights to her creative works passed on to her heirs. For unpublished works with known authorship, if the said author died in 1949, those works will fall into the public domain on January 1, 2020. If there are multiple authors, the copyright is based on the date of death of the last living author.

If the identity of the author or the death date of the author are unknown, or if a work was created by a corporate body, then copyright persists for 120 years after creation. So unpublished corporate works (think internal memos not distributed to the public) that were created in 1899 are still under copyright until the end of the month. They'll fall into the public domain on January 1, 2020, along with any published works from 1924.

It's pretty straight forward for previously unpublished works that are later published. Copyright in those cases would be based on the publication date and last for 95 years.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: bulldog1979 on December 07, 2019, 02:15:23 PM
Naming winter storms

Agree 100 percent.

The practice began with The Weather Channel, and has now made its way into public discourse. Susan Buchanan, spokesperson for the NWS, states "The National Weather Service does not name winter storms because a winter storm's impact can vary from one location to another, and storms can weaken and redevelop, making it difficult to define where one ends and another begins."

AccuWeather president Joel Myers also stated, "The Weather Channel has confused media spin with science and public safety."

Source article: https://www.chicagotribune.com/weather/ct-wea-asktom-0304-20180302-column.html

If the NWS is calling your practice bullshit, you should probably stop.

...but, but...building awareness!  :rolleyes:  It makes memes with incredibly-short shelf lives, and provides the clueless with instant baby names.

It's winter, there's always gong to be something happening, about to happen, or potentially could happen to 75-90% of the population at any given time.

...but, but...bullshit. It's as bad as tv stations providing a weather impact scale a la the terror threat level. My '1' level impact may be your '10'; quit wasting all of our time.

People complaining about the use of the term 'winter storm' (as in advisory or warning) for snow/sleet in "fall" (they also seem to forget that most of December is in fall, too).
It's the best description for the type of weather, not the season, dumbasses.  :pan:
December Solstice is not the first day of winter (same is true for the other sun crossing points).  The fact that people pin a schedule on seasons which can vary by year makes me sick.

also I agree on the naming of winter storms.  The Weather Channel, like any private weather company, is in it for the entertainment and sales more than they are for health and safety.

Meteorological seasons start at the beginning of the month containing the equinox or solstice. So meteorologically speaking, winter starts on December 1 and end on March 1. It's the astronomical seasons that start on the equinox or solstice.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jakeroot on December 07, 2019, 02:30:38 PM
Meteorological seasons start at the beginning of the month containing the equinox or solstice. So meteorologically speaking, winter starts on December 1 and end on March 1. It's the astronomical seasons that start on the equinox or solstice.

indeed. It's all how you want to look at it. That said, if you went around telling everyone that winter starts on the 1st of December, people will reply "oh yeah, it sure feels like it...but I think it starts on the 21st?"
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: bulldog1979 on December 07, 2019, 02:35:46 PM
Meteorological seasons start at the beginning of the month containing the equinox or solstice. So meteorologically speaking, winter starts on December 1 and end on March 1. It's the astronomical seasons that start on the equinox or solstice.

indeed. It's all how you want to look at it. That said, if you went around telling everyone that winter starts on the 1st of December, people will reply "oh yeah, it sure feels like it...but I think it starts on the 21st?"

The chief meteorologist at our local TV station makes a point to talk about the start and end dates of the meteorological seasons. Of course, there's the Celtic definition where winter starts on Samhain (November 1) and ends on Imbolc (February 1 or 2). Those definitions follow the midpoints between equinoxes and solstices.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: TheArkansasRoadgeek on December 07, 2019, 03:00:46 PM
Younger people who can't speak without saying "like" every third word.
It happens to everyone! Have you ever watched some video-recorded conference and the speaker is "Um, Uh, Like, And"? These are filler words in speaking, indicative of a not very confident speaker or someone who doesn't have their thoughts in order, but nothing that can't be overcome through practice. But, I do understand what you are saying.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on December 07, 2019, 03:05:15 PM
Naming winter storms

Agree 100 percent.

The practice began with The Weather Channel, and has now made its way into public discourse. Susan Buchanan, spokesperson for the NWS, states "The National Weather Service does not name winter storms because a winter storm's impact can vary from one location to another, and storms can weaken and redevelop, making it difficult to define where one ends and another begins."

AccuWeather president Joel Myers also stated, "The Weather Channel has confused media spin with science and public safety."

Source article: https://www.chicagotribune.com/weather/ct-wea-asktom-0304-20180302-column.html

If the NWS is calling your practice bullshit, you should probably stop.

...but, but...building awareness!  :rolleyes:  It makes memes with incredibly-short shelf lives, and provides the clueless with instant baby names.

It's winter, there's always gong to be something happening, about to happen, or potentially could happen to 75-90% of the population at any given time.

...but, but...bullshit. It's as bad as tv stations providing a weather impact scale a la the terror threat level. My '1' level impact may be your '10'; quit wasting all of our time.

People complaining about the use of the term 'winter storm' (as in advisory or warning) for snow/sleet in "fall" (they also seem to forget that most of December is in fall, too).
It's the best description for the type of weather, not the season, dumbasses.  :pan:

Please be advised that use of smileys/emoji in my posts denotes sarcasm or a lack of serious content.

Also, we can argue about "fall weather", but let's face it: most places get two weeks of genuine fall weather interspersed with an Indian summer and Jack Frost's visits.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 07, 2019, 08:07:46 PM
Naming winter storms

Agree 100 percent.

The practice began with The Weather Channel, and has now made its way into public discourse. Susan Buchanan, spokesperson for the NWS, states "The National Weather Service does not name winter storms because a winter storm's impact can vary from one location to another, and storms can weaken and redevelop, making it difficult to define where one ends and another begins."

AccuWeather president Joel Myers also stated, "The Weather Channel has confused media spin with science and public safety."

Source article: https://www.chicagotribune.com/weather/ct-wea-asktom-0304-20180302-column.html

If the NWS is calling your practice bullshit, you should probably stop.

...but, but...building awareness!  :rolleyes:  It makes memes with incredibly-short shelf lives, and provides the clueless with instant baby names.

It's winter, there's always gong to be something happening, about to happen, or potentially could happen to 75-90% of the population at any given time.

...but, but...bullshit. It's as bad as tv stations providing a weather impact scale a la the terror threat level. My '1' level impact may be your '10'; quit wasting all of our time.

People complaining about the use of the term 'winter storm' (as in advisory or warning) for snow/sleet in "fall" (they also seem to forget that most of December is in fall, too).
It's the best description for the type of weather, not the season, dumbasses.  :pan:

Please be advised that use of smileys/emoji in my posts denotes sarcasm or a lack of serious content.

Also, we can argue about "fall weather", but let's face it: most places get two weeks of genuine fall weather interspersed with an Indian summer and Jack Frost's visits.

My response was targeted at the notion of the statement, and not at your stance on the matter. I picked up on the sarcasm.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 07, 2019, 08:11:06 PM
Naming winter storms

Agree 100 percent.

The practice began with The Weather Channel, and has now made its way into public discourse. Susan Buchanan, spokesperson for the NWS, states "The National Weather Service does not name winter storms because a winter storm's impact can vary from one location to another, and storms can weaken and redevelop, making it difficult to define where one ends and another begins."

AccuWeather president Joel Myers also stated, "The Weather Channel has confused media spin with science and public safety."

Source article: https://www.chicagotribune.com/weather/ct-wea-asktom-0304-20180302-column.html

If the NWS is calling your practice bullshit, you should probably stop.

...but, but...building awareness!  :rolleyes:  It makes memes with incredibly-short shelf lives, and provides the clueless with instant baby names.

It's winter, there's always gong to be something happening, about to happen, or potentially could happen to 75-90% of the population at any given time.

...but, but...bullshit. It's as bad as tv stations providing a weather impact scale a la the terror threat level. My '1' level impact may be your '10'; quit wasting all of our time.

People complaining about the use of the term 'winter storm' (as in advisory or warning) for snow/sleet in "fall" (they also seem to forget that most of December is in fall, too).
It's the best description for the type of weather, not the season, dumbasses.  :pan:
December Solstice is not the first day of winter (same is true for the other sun crossing points).  The fact that people pin a schedule on seasons which can vary by year makes me sick.

Take it up with the calendar makers. (But for the record, I agree.)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: TravelingBethelite on December 08, 2019, 02:07:24 AM
Naming winter storms
AccuWeather president Joel Myers also stated, "The Weather Channel has confused media spin with science and public safety."

That said, AccuWeather has no room to call others' practices bullshit...I consider them low down and no good.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Verlanka on December 08, 2019, 05:14:01 AM
As it stands right now, *nothing* created before 1924 is under any form of USA copyright protection.
Actually, this statement is not correct. Nothing published before 1924 is under copyright protection in the US, and anything published in 1923 fell into the public domain at the first of this year. Barring a change in the law, on New Year's Day every year, another year's worth of published materials will fall into the public domain. Copyrights on newer published works may have expired for other reasons already, or never applied in the first place.
So basically, if I'm reading this correctly, works published this year will be copyrighted until 2115, then fall under the public domain.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: mgk920 on December 08, 2019, 07:48:47 AM
As it stands right now, *nothing* created before 1924 is under any form of USA copyright protection.
Actually, this statement is not correct. Nothing published before 1924 is under copyright protection in the US, and anything published in 1923 fell into the public domain at the first of this year. Barring a change in the law, on New Year's Day every year, another year's worth of published materials will fall into the public domain. Copyrights on newer published works may have expired for other reasons already, or never applied in the first place.
So basically, if I'm reading this correctly, works published this year will be copyrighted until 2115, then fall under the public domain.

Which, IMHO, is absurdly too long.   If there is nobody alive who remembers a work in its 'first release', there is no reason whatsoever why it should not be in the public domain.

I would also include a 'use it or lose it' provision to declare works to be PD after a certain fairly short amount of time of being out-of-print, sort of like with the 'abandonware' thing WRT computer software.

Mike
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on December 08, 2019, 12:46:11 PM
As it stands right now, *nothing* created before 1924 is under any form of USA copyright protection.
Actually, this statement is not correct. Nothing published before 1924 is under copyright protection in the US, and anything published in 1923 fell into the public domain at the first of this year. Barring a change in the law, on New Year's Day every year, another year's worth of published materials will fall into the public domain. Copyrights on newer published works may have expired for other reasons already, or never applied in the first place.
So basically, if I'm reading this correctly, works published this year will be copyrighted until 2115, then fall under the public domain.

Which, IMHO, is absurdly too long.   If there is nobody alive who remembers a work in its 'first release', there is no reason whatsoever why it should not be in the public domain.

I would also include a 'use it or lose it' provision to declare works to be PD after a certain fairly short amount of time of being out-of-print, sort of like with the 'abandonware' thing WRT computer software.

Mike

I've long thought that too...it's also odd that a patent is good for 17 years and a copyright is for 120+ years (depending on situation). Should be somewhere in the middle, though with the ability to copy a short-lived fad very quickly, the ability to sue copycats is really tricky, expensive, and time-consuming for anything other than really large corporations with deep pockets.

I think putting a 20-25 year copyright might be harmful in rare cases where there was a dispute over original authorship; for example, a prolonged legal dispute. And yet a parody can copy nearly anything without any barrier, so as long as it is unique in its own creation without disparaging the originating author.

Video games and software is another kettle of fish; I'd argue that if there's no way to purchase a new-and-operational emulator to use for the original code after a certain number of years, it should fall into the public domain.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: mgk920 on December 08, 2019, 01:30:09 PM
Video games and software is another kettle of fish; I'd argue that if there's no way to purchase a new-and-operational emulator to use for the original code after a certain number of years, it should fall into the public domain.

ISTR that several years ago, the (and I'm not sure what it is officially called) Copyright Tribunal at the Library of Congress did issue a ruling that essentially made 'abandonware' (software that is no longer being manufactured nor supported by its manufacturer, such as old versions of operating systems) public domain in that they OKed the use of third-party emulators, cracked keys and dongles, etc, whatever is needed in order to get them to run.

For several years during the late 1990s and into the 00s, my favorite computer shop would always update my Mac to the newest version of MacOS that was no longer being supported whenever I would bring it in for service.

Mike
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: hbelkins on December 08, 2019, 04:22:52 PM
Which, IMHO, is absurdly too long.   If there is nobody alive who remembers a work in its 'first release', there is no reason whatsoever why it should not be in the public domain.

But should not the heirs of the person who created that intellectual property be entitled to continue to benefit from the proceeds of that work? Why should their entitlement to royalties be cut off after a certain time period?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: vdeane on December 08, 2019, 10:27:37 PM
Which, IMHO, is absurdly too long.   If there is nobody alive who remembers a work in its 'first release', there is no reason whatsoever why it should not be in the public domain.

But should not the heirs of the person who created that intellectual property be entitled to continue to benefit from the proceeds of that work? Why should their entitlement to royalties be cut off after a certain time period?
Alternatively, why shouldn't it?  Intellectual property laws were created to encourage innovation, be that technological (patents) or creative (copyright) (trademarks serve the tangential purpose of allowing businesses to brand themselves and their products and preventing others from hijacking that brand; IMO they should just disappear after a business goes away rather than be sold off as an asset).  Thus, a balance needs to be struck between rewarding someone for creating something and allowing new people to innovate further using that something.  Right now copyright is way out of balance, allowing people to only innovate on works that were out before their grandparents were even born (in other words, stuff that's so outdated that nobody cares about it anymore unless it's a classic like Shakespeare).  If copyright terms were still what they were when the founding fathers were alive, Star Wars would be public domain, for example.

Corporate ownership of works is probably in large part responsible for this distortion, since corporations will naturally care about profiting from something longer than a person would, and have the resources to buy off lobby the government to do what they want.  They basically pulled the ladder up after them - for example, there is nothing even remotely original about the Disney princess movies.  They're adapted fairy tales.  If those tales were still copyrighted, there would be no Snow White, Little Mermaid, Frozen, etc.  Hollywood would also have to make original movies again like they used to instead of endless sequels and reboots.  This also allows businesses like Disney to seal off works they feel embarrassed about, never to see the light of day again (see: Song of the South).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: J N Winkler on December 08, 2019, 11:17:35 PM
All eleven pages (so far) of this thread have been interesting to read.  The specific items that resonated with me are too numerous to list, but I have one addition that has not been previously mentioned:  throwing out wet trash in an unlined bin.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: mgk920 on December 09, 2019, 03:21:01 AM
Right now copyright is way out of balance, allowing people to only innovate on works that were out before their grandparents were even born (in other words, stuff that's so outdated that nobody cares about it anymore unless it's a classic like Shakespeare).  If copyright terms were still what they were when the founding fathers were alive, Star Wars would be public domain, for example.

The USA's original copyright and patent terms were 13 years.  I do agree, those were on the short side.  If that were still in effect, nothing released before 2006 would still be under copyright protection.  The UK's 50 year term is about the best balance that I know of.

Properly maintained, a modern-day USA patent lasts no longer than 20 years.

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This also allows businesses like Disney to seal off works they feel embarrassed about, never to see the light of day again (see: Song of the South).

Thus my desire to see a 'use it or lose it' provision added to the law.  There has to be a clandestinely hidden copy of Song of the South out there somewhere, just yearning for the chance to breathe free.

Ditto various news organizations' serious video coverage of the 2001-09-11 attacks, especially on NYC, also the full video and audio of Martin Luther King's famous speeches, which are closely held by the family and not allowed by them to be publicly played.  I've seriously believed for many years now that Congress should exercise eminent domain over both of those for the purpose of having them being placed into the public domain - lest we forget them.

 :nod:

Mike
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 09, 2019, 01:21:45 PM
Captcha
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 09, 2019, 01:32:28 PM
- People who give their ideological viewpoints when you didn't ask to hear them.
- Drivers who ignore directional arrows in parking lots
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Brandon on December 09, 2019, 02:09:56 PM
Captcha

Damn, I hate Captcha crap.  Who thought up that POS garbage for verifying a user?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 09, 2019, 02:20:56 PM


Truly minor: the "vi" in the overused I - V - vi - VI chord progression.

Are you sure you wrote that correctly?  Or did you mean to type I - V - vi - IV63 instead?  Assuming that was a mistake, then you should remember that the chord of which you speak did in fact please the Lord.

Good catch, it's a typo. Fourth chord should indeed be IV. Ending at VI is an odd sort of Picardy Third cadence. Since the Picardy hymn ("Let all Mortal Flesh Keep Silence") doesn't end on a Picardy Third, the degree to which this might please the Lord is found wanting.

1.  Depends on what arrangement of Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence you're playing.  I just played one a couple of days ago that ended on a Picardy third, but I have another arrangement that doesn't.

2.  I dearly hope you actually got my song reference.

3.  For some time now, I've been wanting to come up with a term (and promote it) for the opposite of a Picardy third.  That is, when a piece in a major key ends on the i chord.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: hbelkins on December 09, 2019, 02:36:54 PM
Regarding copyright/public domain issues -- I'm hearing a glut of songs that were popular when I was young in commercials now. Is that because these tunes are now in the public domain, or because the writers/performers are licensing their use?

Similarly, you'll occasionally hear that some artist does not want some politician to use their songs at their events. Can an artist stop that if the politician pays the appropriate royalty fee? What's the difference between Trump playing "You Can't Always Get What You Want" at the end of one of his rallies, and some radio station or bar playing it? (Or, to be bipartisan, Obama playing "Don't Stop?")
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 09, 2019, 03:48:09 PM
Celebrities that think we care about their political views, and worse yet, people who actually do.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1 on December 09, 2019, 03:49:47 PM
Regarding copyright/public domain issues -- I'm hearing a glut of songs that were popular when I was young in commercials now. Is that because these tunes are now in the public domain, or because the writers/performers are licensing their use?

Similarly, you'll occasionally hear that some artist does not want some politician to use their songs at their events. Can an artist stop that if the politician pays the appropriate royalty fee? What's the difference between Trump playing "You Can't Always Get What You Want" at the end of one of his rallies, and some radio station or bar playing it? (Or, to be bipartisan, Obama playing "Don't Stop?")

Another thing that bothers me: putting punctuation inside quotations where the punctuation is not part of the quotation.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 09, 2019, 03:50:13 PM
Celebrities that think we care about their political views

AMEN!

I want to watch you excel at your sport, not make a political statement.  You are an athlete, not a political expert.

I want to see you receive an award for your acting or musical skill, not tell me who to vote for.  You are an actor/musician, not a political expert.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 09, 2019, 03:50:42 PM
Another thing that bothers me: putting punctuation inside quotations where the punctuation is not part of the quotation.

American and British style differ on this point.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: TheHighwayMan394 on December 09, 2019, 03:52:23 PM
Celebrities that think we care about their political views

AMEN!

I want to watch you excel at your sport, not make a political statement.  You are an athlete, not a political expert.

I want to see you receive an award for your acting or musical skill, not tell me who to vote for.  You are an actor/musician, not a political expert.

But neither you (I assume) nor I are political experts either and we're just average joes, so why should I care about your political views/vv either?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MNHighwayMan on December 09, 2019, 03:56:43 PM
Another thing that bothers me: putting punctuation inside quotations where the punctuation is not part of the quotation.

That's how I was taught to do it, and I will continue to put "punctuation inside quotations." :bigass:
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 09, 2019, 03:57:54 PM
But neither you (I assume) nor I are political experts either and we're just average joes, so why should I care about your political views/vv either?

I don't think you necessarily should care about mine either.  But I don't go on national TV and spout them.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on December 09, 2019, 04:11:05 PM
Celebrities that think we care about their political views, and worse yet, people who actually do.

But neither you (I assume) nor I are political experts either and we're just average joes, so why should I care about your political views/vv either?

I don't think you necessarily should care about mine either.  But I don't go on national TV and spout them.

Frankly, I'm tired of hearing that phrase, here's why:

Where does the line get drawn? It's a wide spectrum from A-List celebrity to Local Instagram Legend with 3000 followers. Can they only keep quiet from TV, or are they allowed to let it spill over onto their blog/social media account. Should only politicians be able to voice an opinion? It's easy to cast a net upon those we disagree with, and want to hear more from those we align values with.

As much as I can't stand politics: They're only human. Some know what they're talking about and many don't know the woods from the trees in their little bubbles.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 09, 2019, 04:16:32 PM
But neither you (I assume) nor I are political experts either and we're just average joes, so why should I care about your political views/vv either?

I don't think you necessarily should care about mine either.  But I don't go on national TV and spout them.

Where does the line get drawn though? It's a wide spectrum from A-List celebrity to Local Instagram Legend with 3000 followers. Can they only keep quiet from TV, or are they allowed to let it spill over onto their blog/social media account. Should only politicians be able to voice an opinion? It's easy to cast a net upon those we disagree with, and want to hear more from those we align values with.

I can choose to follow someone's social media account; I can't choose what they decide to air during the gamecast/awards ceremony/news segment. Politicians are different -- they're paid to have opinions.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on December 09, 2019, 04:17:50 PM
But neither you (I assume) nor I are political experts either and we're just average joes, so why should I care about your political views/vv either?

I don't think you necessarily should care about mine either.  But I don't go on national TV and spout them.

Where does the line get drawn though? It's a wide spectrum from A-List celebrity to Local Instagram Legend with 3000 followers. Can they only keep quiet from TV, or are they allowed to let it spill over onto their blog/social media account. Should only politicians be able to voice an opinion? It's easy to cast a net upon those we disagree with, and want to hear more from those we align values with.

I can choose to follow someone's social media account; I can't choose what they decide to air during the gamecast/awards ceremony/news segment. Politicians are different -- they're paid to have opinions.

...you and I can turn off any one or most of them. And the bubble begins.

Just remember that most celebrities have a lot of extra time and PR on their hands; it's easy to show off what they believe in. Nobody outside our households gives a crap what we think (no offense).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jakeroot on December 09, 2019, 04:33:35 PM
Another thing that bothers me: putting punctuation inside quotations where the punctuation is not part of the quotation.

That's how I was taught to do it, and I will continue to put "punctuation inside quotations."

American English = inside quotation, Everywhere else English = outside quotation.

I always put the punctuation outside the quotation because inside looks moronic, especially when the quote doesn't include punctuation. Lucky me, the rest of the world agrees, so I'm sticking to my guns.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on December 09, 2019, 04:47:59 PM
Another thing that bothers me: putting punctuation inside quotations where the punctuation is not part of the quotation.

That's how I was taught to do it, and I will continue to put "punctuation inside quotations."

American English = inside quotation, Everywhere else English = outside quotation.

I always put the punctuation outside the quotation because inside looks moronic, especially when the quote doesn't include punctuation. Lucky me, the rest of the world agrees, so I'm sticking to my guns.

I was taught to put everything in the quotation marks...

Example: "You know if you lived here, you'd be home by now."

...unless you're using parts of a quote or a "hypothetical" inside a sentence. To me, it just seems like proper form.

Example: Marge, there's the truth, and there's "the truth".
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 09, 2019, 04:50:07 PM
Another thing that bothers me: putting punctuation inside quotations where the punctuation is not part of the quotation.

That's how I was taught to do it, and I will continue to put "punctuation inside quotations."

American English = inside quotation, Everywhere else English = outside quotation.

I always put the punctuation outside the quotation because inside looks moronic, especially when the quote doesn't include punctuation. Lucky me, the rest of the world agrees, so I'm sticking to my guns.

I always thought placing it inside the quotes felt weird from a functional and dialogue context, but I will admit that inside the quotes looks a little better.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Ben114 on December 09, 2019, 04:58:29 PM
Drivers who ignore directional arrows in parking lots
My school has a one way system to get in and out, and I love seeing all the future parents mess up on the admissions test day and open house day. Even better when they go in the exit when coming off of the main road.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 09, 2019, 05:14:11 PM
Regarding copyright/public domain issues -- I'm hearing a glut of songs that were popular when I was young in commercials now. Is that because these tunes are now in the public domain, or because the writers/performers are licensing their use?

Similarly, you'll occasionally hear that some artist does not want some politician to use their songs at their events. Can an artist stop that if the politician pays the appropriate royalty fee? What's the difference between Trump playing "You Can't Always Get What You Want" at the end of one of his rallies, and some radio station or bar playing it? (Or, to be bipartisan, Obama playing "Don't Stop?")

Another thing that bothers me: putting punctuation inside quotations where the punctuation is not part of the quotation.

Grammer Nazis
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on December 09, 2019, 05:36:47 PM
Regarding copyright/public domain issues -- I'm hearing a glut of songs that were popular when I was young in commercials now. Is that because these tunes are now in the public domain, or because the writers/performers are licensing their use?

Interestingly, there was a change to this last year > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Modernization_Act

(Side note: it probably made limited news because it was unanimously passed by House and Senate, and signed into law.)

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In US Copyright Law, sound recordings made prior to February 15, 1972 were not covered under federal copyright law, leaving them up to the individual states to pass laws for recording protection. This had created a complex series of laws that made it difficult for copyright enforcement and royalty payments. The CLASSICS Act established that sound recording before 1972 are covered by copyright until February 15, 2067, with additional language to grandfather in older songs into the public domain at an earlier time. Recordings prior to 1923 will enter the public domain three years from passage (January 1, 2022, as all U.S. copyright terms end on December 31), and with recordings between 1923 and 1956 being phased into the public domain over the next few decades.

I think so as long as the permission for public broadcast is granted and a price negotiated, it's essentially fair game. The permission part has to come from the artist, and/or whomever holds the copyright to it (music label). So even songs like Happy Birthday to You required a license, until it finally was determined to be a derivative work of an even older song which was already in the public domain by age. Some artists don't want to "sell out" - Led Zeppelin*, for example -  or their work isn't widely recognized enough for anyone to care (other than ASCAP), or not marketable enough (not sure how many G.G. Allin songs are ever going to be used in commercials, but it's a chance that approaches zero).

I've heard things like $25,000 - $50,000 to use part of a song in a movie or TV show, but I have no idea how much it is for a song to be used repetitively in a TV/radio commercial. Maybe a one-hit-wonder is just glad to take a quick payday. I suppose it depends on how badly the producer wants that one song.


* there was that Cadillac ad about a decade ago.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 10, 2019, 10:08:36 AM
About punctuation and quotation marks...

I choose to put punctuation marks inside the quotation mark when it can be reasonably assumed to be part of the quote.

   Example:  Just last night my wife told me, 'I'm tired of cleaning up after you.'

However, I choose not to put it outside when it's part of the larger sentence, not the quote itself.

   Example:  I can't believe your mom actually used the phrase 'golden shower'!  (The exclamation was mine, not hers.)

When it's ambiguous, I usually choose to put it outside.

   Example:  Just last night, my wife told me, 'I'm tired of cleaning up after you', so I stuck my tongue out at her.



While we're on minor punctuation...  It bothers me when people italicize parentheses.

Wrong:  Greenland (which isn't very green, by the way) isn't as large as you'd think from looking at the map.

Right:  Greenland (which isn't very green, by the way) isn't as large as you'd think from looking at the map.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: lepidopteran on December 10, 2019, 10:31:21 AM
Regarding copyrights and unavailable media, see also this TVTropes article.  Keep Circulating the Tapes (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KeepCirculatingTheTapes)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman on December 10, 2019, 10:39:28 AM
Speaking of punctuation, it bothers me how the media puts words in quotes when not directly quoting a person.  Recent example:  The suspect "fought violently", according to officials.

Another media thing that bothers me is their constant use, overuse, and misuse of "alleged" and "allegedly."  Recent example   The lab was allegedly in a children's playroom (should be reportedly).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: J N Winkler on December 10, 2019, 12:10:31 PM
Speaking of punctuation, it bothers me how the media puts words in quotes when not directly quoting a person.  Recent example:  The suspect "fought violently", according to officials.

I don't think this is necessarily objectionable; it depends on the context.  Placing fought violently in quotes looks to me like a prophylaxis against being accused of plagiarism.

Another media thing that bothers me is their constant use, overuse, and misuse of "alleged" and "allegedly."  Recent example   The lab was allegedly in a children's playroom (should be reportedly).

Isn't this a distinction without a difference?  Allegations are a form of reportage.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 10, 2019, 12:35:15 PM
Another media thing that bothers me is their constant use, overuse, and misuse of "alleged" and "allegedly."  Recent example   The lab was allegedly in a children's playroom (should be reportedly).

I wanna say this was born out of a court ruling.

But I do agree.  Basically, they can make up whatever they want. For example: Roadman is allegedly a hater of the media. While probably not true, it doesn't have to be, because the sentence used "allegedly".
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: webny99 on December 10, 2019, 12:46:27 PM
When it's ambiguous, I usually choose to put it outside.

   Example:  Just last night, my wife told me, 'I'm tired of cleaning up after you', so I stuck my tongue out at her.

Thank you! I agree wholeheartedly!


While we're on minor punctuation...  It bothers me when people italicize parentheses.

Wrong:  Greenland (which isn't very green, by the way) isn't as large as you'd think from looking at the map.
Right:  Greenland (which isn't very green, by the way) isn't as large as you'd think from looking at the map.

The two sentences look identical: they're both italicized in full.
(Forgive me for looking at the code, seeing what you did, and getting a good chuckle out of it ...)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on December 10, 2019, 12:56:12 PM
It seems to me the parentheses should be italicized if the entire sentence is. An example might be in a book where the author uses italics to describe what a character sees while dreaming. The whole paragraph is italicized. I don’t see any reason why the parentheses wouldn’t be—and if they were left unitalicized, then wouldn’t other punctuation marks like question marks also need to be left unitalicized for consistency?

(I can see the difference between an italicized comma and an unitalicized comma in certain typefaces.)

Edited to add: I see Butterick makes a distinction between brackets or parentheses that surround the set-off material (which would not be italicized) and those that are part of it (which would be italicized). He offers an example using an italicized title placed in brackets and containing a parenthetical element. The brackets there are not italicized; the parentheses are. It seems to me in kphoger’s example, the parentheses are part of that sentence and would be italicized, whereas if they surrounded the entire sentence they’d be unitalicized.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Brandon on December 10, 2019, 01:11:55 PM
Grammar and punctuation nazis.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: J N Winkler on December 10, 2019, 01:13:46 PM
About punctuation and quotation marks...

I choose to put punctuation marks inside the quotation mark when it can be reasonably assumed to be part of the quote.

   Example:  Just last night my wife told me, 'I'm tired of cleaning up after you.'

However, I choose not to put it outside when it's part of the larger sentence, not the quote itself.

   Example:  I can't believe your mom actually used the phrase 'golden shower'!  (The exclamation was mine, not hers.)

When it's ambiguous, I usually choose to put it outside.

This is more or less the same rule that I follow, except that when a quote ends a sentence and no form of sentence-final punctuation other than a period is justified, I place the period within the quote.  The goal here is elegance (a period floating on the far side of a quotation mark looks ugly), not consistency of treatment of all forms of punctuation that can end a sentence.

I've encountered a couple of people who insisted that periods at the ends of sentences should not be required to do double duty.  In other words, they argued for the correctness of constructions such as "This style is required by the A.P.."  In each case I just shook my head, but didn't argue the toss with them, since I suspected they would walk into a buzzsaw sooner or later.  I guess they must have, since I haven't seen this particular quirk from either in any recent year.

Example:  Just last night, my wife told me, 'I'm tired of cleaning up after you', so I stuck my tongue out at her.

I'd reverse the order of the comma and the trailing quote mark for the same elegance reason quoted above.

While we're on minor punctuation...  It bothers me when people italicize parentheses.

Wrong:  Greenland (which isn't very green, by the way) isn't as large as you'd think from looking at the map.

Right:  Greenland (which isn't very green, by the way) isn't as large as you'd think from looking at the map.

Of all the abuses that occur in connection with parentheses, I think this must be among the least important.

More serious problems include the following:

*  Beginning a sentence outside parentheses and ending it within them:

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I thought they were crazy (though I wouldn't tell them so.)

*  Embedding a complete sentence within parentheses that are themselves contained entirely within another sentence:

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They shouldn't do that (However, they frequently do so.).

*  Misuse of commas in connection with parentheses, presumably as a result of misunderstanding now-archaic conventions.  First example is correct and modern; second example is correct and archaic; third example is not correct under any circumstances.

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If you say that (and I think you should), then you should say these other things too.

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If you say that (and I think you should,) then you should say these other things too.

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If you say that (and I think you should,), then you should say these other things too.

There is some disagreement as to whether levels of nesting should be indicated by substituting braces brackets for even steps.  My take on this is that if nesting is a consideration, you need to pull back and think in terms of recasting sentences or even paragraphs.

Some argue that when a parenthetical statement spans multiple paragraphs, parentheses should be treated the same as quote marks at paragraph breaks--in other words, no closing parenthesis is used at the end of the preceding paragraph, while an opening parenthesis is used at the start of the instant paragraph.  Again, this is a signal to pull back and re-consider the text:  if the multi-paragraph matter is important enough to include, even in parentheses, shouldn't it be in a section of its own outside them?

Edit:  Changed braces since brackets was meant.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 10, 2019, 01:26:56 PM

While we're on minor punctuation...  It bothers me when people italicize parentheses.

Wrong:  Greenland (which isn't very green, by the way) isn't as large as you'd think from looking at the map.
Right:  Greenland (which isn't very green, by the way) isn't as large as you'd think from looking at the map.

The two sentences look identical: they're both italicized in full.
(Forgive me for looking at the code, seeing what you did, and getting a good chuckle out of it ...)

(https://i.imgur.com/WVYDZyj.png)

It's quite hard to tell the difference, actually.  You should be able to see the difference in a zoomed-in image, though.

Of all the abuses that occur in connection with parentheses, I think this must be among the least important.

Agreed.  In keeping with the topic, I tried to come up with a very minor one.  It only bothers me a tiny bit.



There is some disagreement as to whether levels of nesting should be indicated by substituting braces for even steps. 

I don't know what "even steps" are.

As for nesting parenthetical phrases, I used to use {[(...)]}, but nowadays I use (((...))) instead.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: webny99 on December 10, 2019, 02:24:35 PM

While we're on minor punctuation...  It bothers me when people italicize parentheses.

Wrong:  Greenland (which isn't very green, by the way) isn't as large as you'd think from looking at the map.
Right:  Greenland (which isn't very green, by the way) isn't as large as you'd think from looking at the map.
The two sentences look identical: they're both italicized in full.
(Forgive me for looking at the code, seeing what you did, and getting a good chuckle out of it ...)
[img snipped]
It's quite hard to tell the difference, actually. You should be able to see the difference in a zoomed-in image, though.

Aha. My misunderstanding. Here I was thinking you were talking about what was inside the parentheses, and paying no attention to the parentheses themselves.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 10, 2019, 02:32:17 PM
People who block the way.  like when there are two lanes and neither is a right turn only lane and the one guy pulls up in the right lane when no one else is there.  or at the store that one person with a cart who can block a whole aisle, or one person on a sidewalk you can't get around, or two cars next to each other going the same speed.  God good move.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 10, 2019, 02:32:57 PM

While we're on minor punctuation...  It bothers me when people italicize parentheses.

Wrong:  Greenland (which isn't very green, by the way) isn't as large as you'd think from looking at the map.
Right:  Greenland (which isn't very green, by the way) isn't as large as you'd think from looking at the map.
The two sentences look identical: they're both italicized in full.
(Forgive me for looking at the code, seeing what you did, and getting a good chuckle out of it ...)
[img snipped]
It's quite hard to tell the difference, actually. You should be able to see the difference in a zoomed-in image, though.

Aha. My misunderstanding. Here I was thinking you were talking about what was inside the parentheses, and paying no attention to the parentheses themselves.

If we had a contest for the most minor things to bother something, this will definitely be a contender.  I didn't notice the issue either until re-re-reviewing it.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: J N Winkler on December 10, 2019, 02:42:48 PM
As for nesting parenthetical phrases, I used to use {[(...)]}, but nowadays I use (((...))) instead.

First step:  (. . .)

Second step:  (. . . [. . .] . . .)

Third step:  (. . . [. . . (. . .) . . .] . . .)

Und so weiter.

If I nest, I use brackets only, not braces (I see I used the wrong word in my post above, so I have edited it accordingly).  I still think the best advice is not to nest at all.  For this reason, I generally try to avoid quoting federal-aid project numbers--for which a traditional format, at least for Interstates, is FF-AA-B(CC)DD, with FF being the funding code ("I" for Interstate), AA being the route number, B being a section number, CC being an agreement number, and DD (optional) being the milepost--parenthetically, because of the parentheses around the agreement number.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 10, 2019, 02:47:46 PM
when there are two lanes and neither is a right turn only lane and the one guy pulls up in the right lane when no one else is there.

Already covered.  If I'm driving along in the right lane (which I do as often as possible) and the light in front of me turns red, I'm going to suddenly change lanes just because a hypothetical driver might want to turn right before it turns green again.



I see I used the wrong word in my post above, so I have edited it accordingly

Of course, I still have no idea what "even steps" are.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MNHighwayMan on December 10, 2019, 03:20:27 PM
To me, it looks weird to italicize words but not the punctuation beside them.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 10, 2019, 05:00:35 PM
when there are two lanes and neither is a right turn only lane and the one guy pulls up in the right lane when no one else is there.

Already covered.  If I'm driving along in the right lane (which I do as often as possible) and the light in front of me turns red, I'm going to suddenly change lanes just because a hypothetical driver might want to turn right before it turns green again.



I see I used the wrong word in my post above, so I have edited it accordingly

Of course, I still have no idea what "even steps" are.

Yep I do.  Always a big row of cars turning on 290 every morning. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 10, 2019, 05:30:01 PM
Just realized I missed the word "not" in that post of mine.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on December 10, 2019, 06:34:10 PM
Grammar and punctuation nazis.

I think they prefer to be called the alt-write.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 10, 2019, 07:57:40 PM
Grammer Nazis

Spelling Nazis




Grammar and punctuation nazis.

I think they prefer to be called the alt-write.

We prefer to be called the AltGr-Right, actually.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: TheArkansasRoadgeek on December 10, 2019, 08:20:27 PM
Grammar and punctuation nazis.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 10, 2019, 09:36:14 PM
People who drive with the rear-view mirror in night mode during the day
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Big John on December 10, 2019, 11:40:51 PM
Merriam-Webster word of the year is the nonbinary meaning of "they".
https://www.npr.org/2019/12/10/786732456/merriam-webster-singles-out-nonbinary-they-for-word-of-the-year-honors?utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_term=nprnews&fbclid=IwAR01fVgyoCfLntaTjMZqpMXtCzg0S8Y2kCZQp5Mlib8r7e7qqYmisTpALQg
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 10, 2019, 11:49:32 PM
Grammer Nazis

Spelling Nazis




Grammar and punctuation nazis.

I think they prefer to be called the alt-write.

We prefer to be called the AltGr-Right, actually.

I was waiting for someone to catch that.  Grammer, lol
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jakeroot on December 11, 2019, 02:39:48 AM
This is more or less the same rule that I follow, except that when a quote ends a sentence and no form of sentence-final punctuation other than a period is justified, I place the period within the quote.  The goal here is elegance (a period floating on the far side of a quotation mark looks ugly), not consistency of treatment of all forms of punctuation that can end a sentence.

See, and I find it very inelegant to have a full stop before the quote. If the quote is part of the sentence prior to the full stop, why is the full stop placed prior to the last quotation mark? Having a quotation mark, a space, and then a capital letter looks stranger to me, since capital letters start the beginning of the sentence. Yes, there was a full stop prior to the quotation mark, but I don't find it as obvious compared to having the full-stop after the quotation mark.

If you start after the full stop, this is my problem:

" Sally wore...

^^^
This looks very strange to me. Even if you include the full stop prior to the quotation mark, there's still this floating quotation mark that seems unattached to anything because the full stop came prior to it. Even if more elegant to some, I just find it straight up strange.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: mgk920 on December 11, 2019, 03:56:03 AM
Regarding copyright/public domain issues -- I'm hearing a glut of songs that were popular when I was young in commercials now. Is that because these tunes are now in the public domain, or because the writers/performers are licensing their use?

No, they're being licensed, likely through a clearinghouse.  The advertisers are using them in ads that are aimed at those who were in their teens/twenties when the songs were popular in the hopes that they'll strike chords with people from those slices of the advertisers' markets.

Quote
Similarly, you'll occasionally hear that some artist does not want some politician to use their songs at their events. Can an artist stop that if the politician pays the appropriate royalty fee? What's the difference between Trump playing "You Can't Always Get What You Want" at the end of one of his rallies, and some radio station or bar playing it? (Or, to be bipartisan, Obama playing "Don't Stop?")

Those are licensed through a clearinghouse and in nearly all of those cases, the artists really have no say in that matter.

Mike
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: mgk920 on December 11, 2019, 04:12:38 AM
My 'Grammar Nazi' moments include misuse of the word 'decimate'.  It means to remove one out of every ten, a punishment that was sometimes used by the Roman Army, not a wholesale, nearly complete destruction.

Also, when driving conditions are 'treacherous' (how can a road commit treason?).

One thing that also sets off my OCDs is the awkwardly improper top-to-bottom centering of mixed-case words that I am increasingly seeing, especially on street name blade signs.

Mike
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on December 11, 2019, 04:12:47 AM
- Those who say this forum is overmoderated. Seriously, what are you thinking?
- Those who link to mobile Wikipedia. It's too much hassle to remove the ".m" part? Wikipedia redirects to its mobile version when viewed from a cellphone, but the other way doesn't happen. Also Wikipedia links ending with ), somehow the browser doesn't recognize that as part of the URL, leaving a link to a non-existent article. Again, it's too much hassle to change it to "%29"? This is related to the backslash thing some pages back.
- The "Threads you'll never see on AARoads" thread being locked again. Where I place new stuff never to be seen here? Open a new thread titled with what was never supposed to appear here? :banghead:

I cannot find who said his laptop/notebook/whatever it was would refuse to go back home after a trip. It kind of happens the same with my cellphone, when I have the location turned off it thinks I'm in Barcelona, to where I haven't been for years and seeing the current situation there it will remain so for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Verlanka on December 11, 2019, 05:02:52 AM
I cannot find who said his laptop/notebook/whatever it was would refuse to go back home after a trip.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=11718.1450 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=11718.1450)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on December 11, 2019, 07:06:02 AM
Regarding the word "decimate," severe destruction is one of its meanings:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decimate
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: qguy on December 11, 2019, 07:18:53 AM
1. With a double-door entrance/exit doorway, keeping one of the doors locked, effectively making it a wall with a door handle. The double door is there for a reason: safety. It's meant to provide a wide through-space for dumping the building in an emergency. They're often specified by building codes for buildings over a certain occupancy. Plus, it's just so annoying to pull on a door that doesn't budge. It's like the door says, "Psych!"

2. Stores (like my local Walmart) that have an employee check everyone's receipts as they leave. There has got to be a better loss prevention strategy than treating all of your customers like they're already shoplifters.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 11, 2019, 07:53:29 AM
1. With a double-door entrance/exit doorway, keeping one of the doors locked, effectively making it a wall with a door handle. The double door is there for a reason: safety. It's meant to provide a wide through-space for dumping the building in an emergency. They're often specified by building codes for buildings over a certain occupancy. Plus, it's just so annoying to pull on a door that doesn't budge. It's like the door says, "Psych!"

When you walk thru the door and push to open the door, but it is locked, the door in effect "pushes back" at you.  Very annoying.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 11, 2019, 08:16:58 AM
1. With a double-door entrance/exit doorway, keeping one of the doors locked, effectively making it a wall with a door handle. The double door is there for a reason: safety. It's meant to provide a wide through-space for dumping the building in an emergency. They're often specified by building codes for buildings over a certain occupancy. Plus, it's just so annoying to pull on a door that doesn't budge. It's like the door says, "Psych!"

When you walk thru the door and push to open the door, but it is locked, the door in effect "pushes back" at you.  Very annoying.

Bathroom doors that open in.  I don't wash my hands to touch a dirty door handle being that half the guys don't wash their hands.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on December 11, 2019, 08:17:33 AM
- Those who link to mobile Wikipedia. It's too much hassle to remove the ".m" part? Wikipedia redirects to its mobile version when viewed from a cellphone, but the other way doesn't happen.

Likewise, is it actually that difficult to eliminate two key strokes? So tired of this very petty complaint. Like DST, some of you have wasted more time complaining about it rather than dealing with it.

Mobile Wikipedia still functions, though. And with a second click, you get the desktop version. I don't tell everyone to serve the needs of my phone, I wait until I'm on my laptop if it doesn't function for me, instead of trying to change everyone's habits. Trying to edit a URL is surprisingly tricky on a phone. If it's a short URL, it's easy enough to edit, but not so much when requests are and redirects are appended.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on December 11, 2019, 08:20:07 AM
1. With a double-door entrance/exit doorway, keeping one of the doors locked, effectively making it a wall with a door handle. The double door is there for a reason: safety. It's meant to provide a wide through-space for dumping the building in an emergency. They're often specified by building codes for buildings over a certain occupancy. Plus, it's just so annoying to pull on a door that doesn't budge. It's like the door says, "Psych!"

When you walk thru the door and push to open the door, but it is locked, the door in effect "pushes back" at you.  Very annoying.

Bathroom doors that open in.  I don't wash my hands to touch a dirty door handle being that half the guys don't wash their hands.

Combine this with the air dryers, and we have a Major Thing, in terms of germ and disease control.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 11, 2019, 08:22:57 AM
- Those who link to mobile Wikipedia. It's too much hassle to remove the ".m" part? Wikipedia redirects to its mobile version when viewed from a cellphone, but the other way doesn't happen.

Likewise, is it actually that difficult to eliminate two key strokes? So tired of this very petty complaint. Like DST, some of you have wasted more time complaining about it rather than dealing with it.

Mobile Wikipedia still functions, though. And with a second click, you get the desktop version. I don't tell everyone to serve the needs of my phone, I wait until I'm on my laptop if it doesn't function for me, instead of trying to change everyone's habits. Trying to edit a URL is surprisingly tricky on a phone. If it's a short URL, it's easy enough to edit. Not so much when requests are and redirects are appended.

On a more personal annoyance, as a long time PC user I prefer the full functionality of a keyboard.  That being the case I use my lap top for about 95% of anything I do online.  A lot of the improvements in technology is oriented towards using a tablet or phone.  It drives me up the wall that I’m expected to use less functional devices at work, or at least I’m encouraged to.  I want to use my full range of typing skills when I do work online. and not my two thumbs like a video game. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MNHighwayMan on December 11, 2019, 11:58:35 AM
2. Stores (like my local Walmart) that have an employee check everyone's receipts as they leave. There has got to be a better loss prevention strategy than treating all of your customers like they're already shoplifters.

You are not legally obligated to stop for them. Just keep walking.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 11, 2019, 12:10:32 PM
2. Stores (like my local Walmart) that have an employee check everyone's receipts as they leave. There has got to be a better loss prevention strategy than treating all of your customers like they're already shoplifters.

You are not legally obligated to stop for them. Just keep walking.

And at most places like Costco and Sam’s Club only have it as part of their membership agreement.  There is nothing stopping a person from saying “no” to a receipt check.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: J N Winkler on December 11, 2019, 12:40:37 PM
On a more personal annoyance, as a long time PC user I prefer the full functionality of a keyboard.  That being the case I use my lap top for about 95% of anything I do online.  A lot of the improvements in technology is oriented towards using a tablet or phone.  It drives me up the wall that I’m expected to use less functional devices at work, or at least I’m encouraged to.  I want to use my full range of typing skills when I do work online, and not my two thumbs like a video game.

The PC is where it really happens for me too, but I have come to appreciate the mobility offered by smartphones and tablets.  After some initial unsuccessful experiments with secondhand folding keyboards, I have settled on a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard with the ability to connect to up to three different devices, with a dial to select among the three.  It is of solid construction, which promotes good tactile feedback when touch-typing, and is easy to stack with a tablet.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 11, 2019, 01:23:22 PM
2. Stores (like my local Walmart) that have an employee check everyone's receipts as they leave. There has got to be a better loss prevention strategy than treating all of your customers like they're already shoplifters.

You are not legally obligated to stop for them. Just keep walking.

While technically true, what's more inconvenient, the 10 seconds to wait for the receipt checks, or the minutes (or hours) of them suspecting you're a shoplifter, stopping you, and waiting for the police?

Is it illegal?  Yep.  So then what are you going to do - sue Walmart?  Where are you going to sue?  Are you going to higher a lawyer at $100+ an hour to sue the biggest corporation in America, who has unlimited access to lawyers to review the tape of every step you made in Walmart?  Did you put your hand in your pocket?  Did you reach for your cell phone at one point?  Suddenly now they have a 'reason' to stop you, as it appeared you may have concealed merchandise.

You, in your heart, know that you don't need to stop for the receipt checkers.  But don't think that you have the power to survive a court fight.  You may win, but your bank account will be thousands lighter.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: vdeane on December 11, 2019, 01:30:46 PM
When the janitors at work can't be bothered to put my trash/recycling back where they were after emptying them.  I'm now needed to put them back every single morning.  Seriously - they're under the desk where they are because I want them out of the way, not because I want to deal with them every time I get in!

On a more personal annoyance, as a long time PC user I prefer the full functionality of a keyboard.  That being the case I use my lap top for about 95% of anything I do online.  A lot of the improvements in technology is oriented towards using a tablet or phone.  It drives me up the wall that I’m expected to use less functional devices at work, or at least I’m encouraged to.  I want to use my full range of typing skills when I do work online, and not my two thumbs like a video game.

The PC is where it really happens for me too, but I have come to appreciate the mobility offered by smartphones and tablets.  After some initial unsuccessful experiments with secondhand folding keyboards, I have settled on a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard with the ability to connect to up to three different devices, with a dial to select among the three.  It is of solid construction, which promotes good tactile feedback when touch-typing, and is easy to stack with a tablet.
I don't get the smartphone obsession or why many companies seem to put traditional desktops/laptops as an afterthought at best.  Smartphones are great for when you're bored or need to look something up while on the go, but they are far inferior to a traditional computer as far as a primary way of browsing the internet is concerned.  The way I prefer to browse is cumbersome at best on any interface designed to be used by touch rather than a mouse.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 11, 2019, 01:59:58 PM
Non-mechanical keyboards.

Yes, I still have a mechanical keyboard at home, and I am currently using the oldest keyboard in my company because it's closest I can get to truly mechanical.  Unfortunately, the new computer my wife and I bought a year or so ago doesn't have a PS/2 port, and nobody sells PS/2-to-USB adapters anymore, so my good old mechanical keyboard has just been sitting unused for some time now.





2. Stores (like my local Walmart) that have an employee check everyone's receipts as they leave. There has got to be a better loss prevention strategy than treating all of your customers like they're already shoplifters.

You are not legally obligated to stop for them. Just keep walking.

While technically true, what's more inconvenient, the 10 seconds to wait for the receipt checks, or the minutes (or hours) of them suspecting you're a shoplifter, stopping you, and waiting for the police?

Is it illegal?  Yep.  So then what are you going to do - sue Walmart?  Where are you going to sue?  Are you going to higher a lawyer at $100+ an hour to sue the biggest corporation in America, who has unlimited access to lawyers to review the tape of every step you made in Walmart?  Did you put your hand in your pocket?  Did you reach for your cell phone at one point?  Suddenly now they have a 'reason' to stop you, as it appeared you may have concealed merchandise.

You, in your heart, know that you don't need to stop for the receipt checkers.  But don't think that you have the power to survive a court fight.  You may win, but your bank account will be thousands lighter.

How are they going to stop me?  Tackle me to the ground?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 11, 2019, 02:32:12 PM
^^^

Yes, that’s another one that I forgot.  Nothing made today can really stack up to the mechanical keyboards of old.  Most of the new models either break too easily or are physically smaller which obstruct proper typing position.  All my mechanical keyboards don’t function at work since they require an access card to use while at my desk top. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MNHighwayMan on December 11, 2019, 02:47:30 PM
While technically true, what's more inconvenient, the 10 seconds to wait for the receipt checks, or the minutes (or hours) of them suspecting you're a shoplifter, stopping you, and waiting for the police?

Are you serious? I have not once stopped for one of those old bags and they've done absolutely nothing to go after me. They're probably even trained to not go after people who refuse, anyway.

Edit: Furthermore, to detain me as a shoplifter, an employee has to see me grab an item, try to conceal it, and try to make it to the exit without paying. Those greeters/receipt checkers have definitely not done that, unless maybe I try to steal a candy bar from a checkout.



Edit 2:

Mechanical keyboards are awesome, and all I use nowadays. I even have a small portable one that I use with my laptop, in the rare event I actually use my laptop, because I absolutely hate typing on the laptop keyboard itself.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 11, 2019, 02:58:03 PM
While technically true, what's more inconvenient, the 10 seconds to wait for the receipt checks, or the minutes (or hours) of them suspecting you're a shoplifter, stopping you, and waiting for the police?

Are you serious? I have not once stopped for one of those old bags and they've done absolutely nothing to go after me.

Regarding Walmart’s own shoplift policy they have a Loss Prevention Department that is the only staff base allowed to make shoplift apprehensions.   Further the intra-company edict discourages apprehensions under $20 dollars and they have been made with the following criteria established:

1.  You must be observed approaching a displaying.
2.  You must be seen selecting merchandise that is clear and identifiable as belonging to the store. 
3.  You must see concealment or establish that the person you are watching has unauthorized control (example; fitting room counts and ticket switching)
4.  You must maintain constant surveillance of the person suspected of shoplifting.
5.  You must allow the suspect shoplifter go past all points of sale or out of the building depending on the jurisdiction. 

While the above isn’t “law” they are commonly established Loss Prevention tactics for getting a clean apprehension on a shoplifter.  If an LP person or a store regular was to accost someone who didn’t technically shoplift, yeah in theory it could lead to some trouble if not a civil dispute.  Usually the situation is handled by offering a gift card, examples I’ve seen are mostly over $100 dollars.  Even door greeters can cross that line by “demanding a receipt” instead of asking for one. 

While I’ve never worked for Walmart I worked in the LP field for years, almost every major retail company has the same rules and policies.  Fortunately I never screwed up but I know a lot of people who did and it certainly was taken seriously by the businesses involved.  I barely know of any companies that even allow shoplifters to be hand cuffed anymore. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 11, 2019, 03:59:20 PM
If not mentioned before people who overuse "reach out".  Even worse shows that are supposed to be set in the past that say it.  No one every really said it more than two years ago.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 11, 2019, 04:03:48 PM
"reach out" ...  No one every really said it more than two years ago.

what
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 11, 2019, 04:10:36 PM
“Reach out” is still overuse business slang from I observe in my interactions with people.  I get asked “reach out” to a person and/or people at least three times weekly. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DTComposer on December 11, 2019, 04:15:11 PM
"reach out" ...  No one every really said it more than two years ago.

what

Wasn't "Reach out and touch someone" AT&T's slogan for most of the late 20th century?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 11, 2019, 04:17:08 PM
"reach out" ...  No one every really said it more than two years ago.

what

Wasn't "Reach out and touch someone" AT&T's slogan for most of the late 20th century?

The “Reach Out” part is also a common song lyric. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Big John on December 11, 2019, 04:27:06 PM
^^ Like this one from the 60s: 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on December 11, 2019, 05:14:37 PM
If not mentioned before people who overuse "reach out".  Even worse shows that are supposed to be set in the past that say it.  No one every really said it more than two years ago.
What are you talking about?

Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 11, 2019, 06:21:12 PM


"reach out" ...  No one every really said it more than two years ago.

what

Wasn't "Reach out and touch someone" AT&T's slogan for most of the late 20th century?

That jingle was created by AT&T forty years ago, in fact, but it had already existed in print form decades earlier.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: renegade on December 11, 2019, 06:38:08 PM
.

Also, when driving conditions are 'treacherous' (how can a road commit treason?).

Mike

Treacherous =/= treasonous.  Two different words with two entirely different meanings.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 11, 2019, 06:46:04 PM
.

Also, when driving conditions are 'treacherous' (how can a road commit treason?).

Mike

Treacherous =/= treasonous.  Two different words with two entirely different meanings.

I have a feeling that many a state Highway could be declared a traitor under the new Chinese Interstate thread. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jakeroot on December 11, 2019, 06:52:43 PM
"Reach out" like "reach out to Tom and see what he thinks"?

I don't understand how this could be bothersome at all.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on December 11, 2019, 06:57:35 PM
Bathroom doors that open in.  I don't wash my hands to touch a dirty door handle being that half the guys don't wash their hands.
so grab it with a towel like the germophobics do.

(https://images3.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED218/5d01ac6fa7878.jpeg)
"Reach out" like "reach out to Tom and see what he thinks"?

I don't understand how this could be bothersome at all.
George Carlin has something to say about that (
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 11, 2019, 07:09:47 PM
1. With a double-door entrance/exit doorway, keeping one of the doors locked, effectively making it a wall with a door handle. The double door is there for a reason: safety. It's meant to provide a wide through-space for dumping the building in an emergency. They're often specified by building codes for buildings over a certain occupancy. Plus, it's just so annoying to pull on a door that doesn't budge. It's like the door says, "Psych!"

When you walk thru the door and push to open the door, but it is locked, the door in effect "pushes back" at you.  Very annoying.

Bathroom doors that open in.  I don't wash my hands to touch a dirty door handle being that half the guys don't wash their hands.

Dont worry. You'll be touching menus, tables, chairs, condiments, salt and pepper shakers, silverware, money, credit cards, and a host of other things that people who didn't wash their hands also touched.

You probably dont even realize the number of things you'll be touching that can be unclean.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 11, 2019, 07:14:20 PM
Bathroom doors that open in.  I don't wash my hands to touch a dirty door handle being that half the guys don't wash their hands.
so grab it with a towel like the germophobics do.

(https://images3.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED218/5d01ac6fa7878.jpeg)
"Reach out" like "reach out to Tom and see what he thinks"?

I don't understand how this could be bothersome at all.
George Carlin has something to say about that (

Speaking of bothersome things, who the hell thought it was a good idea for Steve Roger’s to hook up with Peggy Carter’s niece?  I mean, I know they don’t show “all the details” in those Marvel movies but it still felt irksome. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on December 11, 2019, 08:28:14 PM
Bathroom doors that open in.  I don't wash my hands to touch a dirty door handle being that half the guys don't wash their hands.
so grab it with a towel like the germophobics do.

(https://images3.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED218/5d01ac6fa7878.jpeg)
"Reach out" like "reach out to Tom and see what he thinks"?

I don't understand how this could be bothersome at all.
George Carlin has something to say about that (

Speaking of bothersome things, who the hell thought it was a good idea for Steve Roger’s to hook up with Peggy Carter’s niece?  I mean, I know they don’t show “all the details” in those Marvel movies but it still felt irksome. 
Black Widow.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 11, 2019, 08:32:53 PM
Bathroom doors that open in.  I don't wash my hands to touch a dirty door handle being that half the guys don't wash their hands.
so grab it with a towel like the germophobics do.

(https://images3.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED218/5d01ac6fa7878.jpeg)
"Reach out" like "reach out to Tom and see what he thinks"?

I don't understand how this could be bothersome at all.
George Carlin has something to say about that (

Speaking of bothersome things, who the hell thought it was a good idea for Steve Roger’s to hook up with Peggy Carter’s niece?  I mean, I know they don’t show “all the details” in those Marvel movies but it still felt irksome. 
Black Widow.

That’s true, the part with her constantly digging into Steve’s personal life to turn around to try to hook him up with the neighbor was a little weird too.  But then again it isn’t like Steve didn’t know what he was getting into after that funeral in Civil War.  Throw in the time travel and we’re getting awfully close to incest territory. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 11, 2019, 08:58:37 PM
When you walk thru the door and push to open the door, but it is locked, the door in effect "pushes back" at you.  Very annoying.
Bathroom doors that open in.  I don't wash my hands to touch a dirty door handle being that half the guys don't wash their hands.
Dont worry. You'll be touching menus, tables, chairs, condiments, salt and pepper shakers, silverware, money, credit cards, and a host of other things that people who didn't wash their hands also touched.
You probably dont even realize the number of things you'll be touching that can be unclean.

You probably don't even realize it until the vomit starts coming out of your mouth.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 11, 2019, 09:04:39 PM
When you walk thru the door and push to open the door, but it is locked, the door in effect "pushes back" at you.  Very annoying.
Bathroom doors that open in.  I don't wash my hands to touch a dirty door handle being that half the guys don't wash their hands.
Dont worry. You'll be touching menus, tables, chairs, condiments, salt and pepper shakers, silverware, money, credit cards, and a host of other things that people who didn't wash their hands also touched.
You probably dont even realize the number of things you'll be touching that can be unclean.

You probably don't even realize it until the vomit starts coming out of your mouth.

Good for boosting the immune system. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: dlsterner on December 11, 2019, 11:15:42 PM
Non-mechanical keyboards.

Yes, I still have a mechanical keyboard at home, and I am currently using the oldest keyboard in my company because it's closest I can get to truly mechanical.  Unfortunately, the new computer my wife and I bought a year or so ago doesn't have a PS/2 port, and nobody sells PS/2-to-USB adapters anymore, so my good old mechanical keyboard has just been sitting unused for some time now.


Agreed; most of my life had been spent typing on mechanical keyboards (and typewriters) and I dislike the feel of newer keyboards.  So much so that I will buy a true mechanical keyboard from a third party.  (You may want to check out http://www.Matias.ca (http://www.Matias.ca), they make some decent mechanical keyboards with USB connectors, for both Mac and PC).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 11, 2019, 11:50:25 PM
Non-mechanical keyboards.

Yes, I still have a mechanical keyboard at home, and I am currently using the oldest keyboard in my company because it's closest I can get to truly mechanical.  Unfortunately, the new computer my wife and I bought a year or so ago doesn't have a PS/2 port, and nobody sells PS/2-to-USB adapters anymore, so my good old mechanical keyboard has just been sitting unused for some time now.


Agreed; most of my life had been spent typing on mechanical keyboards (and typewriters) and I dislike the feel of newer keyboards.  So much so that I will buy a true mechanical keyboard from a third party.  (You may want to check out http://www.Matias.ca (http://www.Matias.ca), they make some decent mechanical keyboards with USB connectors, for both Mac and PC).

You might also look into gaming keyboards, as there are many mechanical keyboards to choose from.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: hbelkins on December 12, 2019, 12:34:23 PM
Regarding shoplifting, I'm definitely not a lawyer, but I cannot see where you have any duty to stop if a store employee -- "loss prevention officer" or cashier or anyone else -- tries to detain you. What authority do they have to stop you from leaving, even if they suspect you've stolen something? Intimidation, maybe? If they're not a sworn law enforcement officer with arrest or detainment powers, seems to me that anyone would be free to leave, and if they physically prevent you from departing, if you have not stolen anything, seems like you'd be able to defend yourself against unlawful imprisonment.

I know we have attorneys and retired attorneys here. Any criminal defense lawyers?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 12, 2019, 12:44:11 PM
Regarding shoplifting, I'm definitely not a lawyer, but I cannot see where you have any duty to stop if a store employee -- "loss prevention officer" or cashier or anyone else -- tries to detain you. What authority do they have to stop you from leaving, even if they suspect you've stolen something? Intimidation, maybe? If they're not a sworn law enforcement officer with arrest or detainment powers, seems to me that anyone would be free to leave, and if they physically prevent you from departing, if you have not stolen anything, seems like you'd be able to defend yourself against unlawful imprisonment.

I know we have attorneys and retired attorneys here. Any criminal defense lawyers?

Shoplift apprehensions generally fall under the domain of citizens arrest laws.  Essentially you’re observing criminal activity and turning the person suspected of it over to the proper authorities.  Put it this way, in over 500 shoplift apprehensions about the only problem I ever had was with someone who wanted to pick a fight.  The legality of the matter was never an issue because they were always being turned over to an actual police officer who would take them into custody.  In the cases where someone wanted to fight, well it usually went one of two ways when it got there...either way reasonable force applied. 

Something I will say, what a “business” thinks is reasonable during a shoplift apprehension has changed.  At the turn of the century handcuffing and getting into fights with shoplifters was expected.  I would imagine that some of the confrontations of old would be met with much more public scrutiny these days.  None the less more stores seem to have woke up to the fact that fighting shoplifters isn’t a good idea for encouraging business and preventing Workman’s Compensation Claims...not to mention real potential for a substantial lawsuit if something was hokey about the stop. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman on December 12, 2019, 01:00:07 PM
When questions are followed by the phrase "Asking for a friend".
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: paulthemapguy on December 12, 2019, 01:01:17 PM
“Reach out” is still overuse business slang from I observe in my interactions with people.  I get asked “reach out” to a person and/or people at least three times weekly.

Other overused office language:

"Touch base"
"Livin' the dream"
"Open a can of worms"
"Shoot you" a text/email/contact.  Don't shoot me.  I don't want to be shot.

Other incorrect office language:
"in regards to".  If you can't figure out how to say this phrase correctly, just say "about."  It accomplishes the same thing.  If you can't take the heat of complex prepositional phrases, stay out of the kitchen.
Overuse of generic nouns like "item," "element," or "component," without explaining the context.  These words might as well be pronouns.


When questions are followed by the phrase "Asking for a friend".


I do that ironically as a joke, like with "yolo," or "swag," because I think it's dumb
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 12, 2019, 01:12:44 PM
“Reach out” is still overuse business slang from I observe in my interactions with people.  I get asked “reach out” to a person and/or people at least three times weekly.

Other overused office language:

"Touch base"
"Livin' the dream"
"Open a can of worms"
"Shoot you" a text/email/contact.  Don't shoot me.  I don't want to be shot.

Other incorrect office language:
"in regards to".  If you can't figure out how to say this phrase correctly, just say "about."  It accomplishes the same thing.  If you can't take the heat of complex prepositional phrases, stay out of the kitchen.
Overuse of generic nouns like "item," "element," or "component," without explaining the context.  These words might as well be pronouns.


When questions are followed by the phrase "Asking for a friend".


I do that ironically as a joke, like with "yolo," or "swag," because I think it's dumb

One that really gets to me is calling an employee a “associate” or “team member.”   Associates own stock in a company, it seems that term came from places like Walmart.  I don’t play sports with my co-workers or employees so therefore they cannot be teammates.  My co-workers and employees aren’t “my family” either. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1 on December 12, 2019, 01:17:28 PM
One that really gets to me is calling an employee a “associate” or “team member.”   Associates own stock in a company, it seems that term came from places like Walmart.  I don’t play sports with my co-workers or employees so therefore they cannot be teammates.  My co-workers and employees aren’t “my family” either.

"Team members" excludes vendors, while "employees" doesn't.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 12, 2019, 01:19:26 PM
One that really gets to me is calling an employee a “associate” or “team member.”   Associates own stock in a company, it seems that term came from places like Walmart.  I don’t play sports with my co-workers or employees so therefore they cannot be teammates.  My co-workers and employees aren’t “my family” either.

"Team members" excludes vendors.

I want to say that Target still calls their Managers by “Executive Team Leader” or some crazy crap like that.  Customers aren’t even called as such, they are “guests.”
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 12, 2019, 01:20:34 PM
“Reach out” is still overuse business slang from I observe in my interactions with people.  I get asked “reach out” to a person and/or people at least three times weekly.

Other overused office language:

"Touch base"
"Livin' the dream"
"Open a can of worms"
"Shoot you" a text/email/contact.  Don't shoot me.  I don't want to be shot.

Other incorrect office language:
"in regards to".  If you can't figure out how to say this phrase correctly, just say "about."  It accomplishes the same thing.  If you can't take the heat of complex prepositional phrases, stay out of the kitchen.
Overuse of generic nouns like "item," "element," or "component," without explaining the context.  These words might as well be pronouns.


When questions are followed by the phrase "Asking for a friend".


I do that ironically as a joke, like with "yolo," or "swag," because I think it's dumb

One that really gets to me is calling an employee a “associate” or “team member.”   Associates own stock in a company, it seems that term came from places like Walmart.  I don’t play sports with my co-workers or employees so therefore they cannot be teammates.  My co-workers and employees aren’t “my family” either.

All part of the PC/feel-good psychological naming kick. They're not "used cars" they're "pre-owned" because used gives a bad vibe.  :meh: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 12, 2019, 01:22:17 PM
“Reach out” is still overuse business slang from I observe in my interactions with people.  I get asked “reach out” to a person and/or people at least three times weekly.

Other overused office language:

"Touch base"
"Livin' the dream"
"Open a can of worms"
"Shoot you" a text/email/contact.  Don't shoot me.  I don't want to be shot.

Other incorrect office language:
"in regards to".  If you can't figure out how to say this phrase correctly, just say "about."  It accomplishes the same thing.  If you can't take the heat of complex prepositional phrases, stay out of the kitchen.
Overuse of generic nouns like "item," "element," or "component," without explaining the context.  These words might as well be pronouns.


When questions are followed by the phrase "Asking for a friend".


I do that ironically as a joke, like with "yolo," or "swag," because I think it's dumb

One that really gets to me is calling an employee a “associate” or “team member.”   Associates own stock in a company, it seems that term came from places like Walmart.  I don’t play sports with my co-workers or employees so therefore they cannot be teammates.  My co-workers and employees aren’t “my family” either.

All part of the PC/feel-good psychological naming kick. They're not "used cars" they're "pre-owned" because used gives a bad vibe.  :meh: :rolleyes:

So if a person gets divorced and starts to date again should they just say “I’m pre-owned?”
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 12, 2019, 01:24:10 PM
“Reach out” is still overuse business slang from I observe in my interactions with people.  I get asked “reach out” to a person and/or people at least three times weekly.

Other overused office language:

"Touch base"
"Livin' the dream"
"Open a can of worms"
"Shoot you" a text/email/contact.  Don't shoot me.  I don't want to be shot.

Other incorrect office language:
"in regards to".  If you can't figure out how to say this phrase correctly, just say "about."  It accomplishes the same thing.  If you can't take the heat of complex prepositional phrases, stay out of the kitchen.
Overuse of generic nouns like "item," "element," or "component," without explaining the context.  These words might as well be pronouns.


When questions are followed by the phrase "Asking for a friend".


I do that ironically as a joke, like with "yolo," or "swag," because I think it's dumb

One that really gets to me is calling an employee a “associate” or “team member.”   Associates own stock in a company, it seems that term came from places like Walmart.  I don’t play sports with my co-workers or employees so therefore they cannot be teammates.  My co-workers and employees aren’t “my family” either.

All part of the PC/feel-good psychological naming kick. They're not "used cars" they're "pre-owned" because used gives a bad vibe.  :meh: :rolleyes:

So if a person gets divorced and starts to date again should they just say “I’m pre-owned?”

Say that to a feminist and you may not come out alive.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 12, 2019, 01:27:37 PM
“Reach out” is still overuse business slang from I observe in my interactions with people.  I get asked “reach out” to a person and/or people at least three times weekly.

Other overused office language:

"Touch base"
"Livin' the dream"
"Open a can of worms"
"Shoot you" a text/email/contact.  Don't shoot me.  I don't want to be shot.

Other incorrect office language:
"in regards to".  If you can't figure out how to say this phrase correctly, just say "about."  It accomplishes the same thing.  If you can't take the heat of complex prepositional phrases, stay out of the kitchen.
Overuse of generic nouns like "item," "element," or "component," without explaining the context.  These words might as well be pronouns.


When questions are followed by the phrase "Asking for a friend".


I do that ironically as a joke, like with "yolo," or "swag," because I think it's dumb

One that really gets to me is calling an employee a “associate” or “team member.”   Associates own stock in a company, it seems that term came from places like Walmart.  I don’t play sports with my co-workers or employees so therefore they cannot be teammates.  My co-workers and employees aren’t “my family” either.

All part of the PC/feel-good psychological naming kick. They're not "used cars" they're "pre-owned" because used gives a bad vibe.  :meh: :rolleyes:

So if a person gets divorced and starts to date again should they just say “I’m pre-owned?”

Say that to a feminist and you may not come out alive.

It’s all in how you sell it.  You have to accentuate the positives a pre-owner husband and/or boyfriend.  I’m sure one could season it up with all sorts of common cliche descriptions someone would use to push the value of a used car:

Pre-owned Husband

-  Great value
-  Low years
-  Fresh coat of hair
-  Comes with a fresh set of shoes
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on December 12, 2019, 01:54:31 PM
Although we roll our eyes at marketing tactics, they still work.  So, "pre-owned" is here to stay, my fellow consumers.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 12, 2019, 02:01:06 PM
My carpool guy gets offended at some of the sales tactics used by car salesmen, both new and pre-owned. I will say it is funny though how these tactics still are still in play...and work...after decades of being used.

I think the last time someone tried using the "4 boxes" I just told him to stop. I already had it calculated on paper what the price and payment would be.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Scott5114 on December 12, 2019, 03:11:22 PM
“Reach out” is still overuse business slang from I observe in my interactions with people.  I get asked “reach out” to a person and/or people at least three times weekly.

Other overused office language:

"Touch base"
"Livin' the dream"
"Open a can of worms"
"Shoot you" a text/email/contact.  Don't shoot me.  I don't want to be shot.

Other incorrect office language:
"in regards to".  If you can't figure out how to say this phrase correctly, just say "about."  It accomplishes the same thing.  If you can't take the heat of complex prepositional phrases, stay out of the kitchen.
Overuse of generic nouns like "item," "element," or "component," without explaining the context.  These words might as well be pronouns.

One that seems pretty common in my workplace is "utilize" in place of "use".

"The cashier will utilize the barcode scanner to input the ticket number..."

That's because "utilize" just means "use", but using three times as many syllables, so people say it when they want to sound smart or formal. These people don't realize that "utilize" carries a different connotation of "making the full use of", and should only be used (not utilized) in that context. So "The casino will utilize the cage department to sell bingo tickets" would be fine, for example, because utilize conveys the implication that the department has extra resources that could be applied toward selling bingo tickets.

But "utilizing" a barcode scanner? It scans barcodes, what untapped potential could the damn thing possibly have?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 12, 2019, 04:24:56 PM
One that seems pretty common in my workplace is "utilize" in place of "use".
I rarely use "utilize," but the one place that I would tend to use it is in technical or engineering terminology, like in utilizing a particular tool or computer program or design process, etc.

But "use" can work just as well.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jakeroot on December 12, 2019, 04:33:55 PM
One that seems pretty common in my workplace is "utilize" in place of "use".

"The cashier will utilize the barcode scanner to input the ticket number..."

That's because "utilize" just means "use", but using three times as many syllables, so people say it when they want to sound smart or formal.

Not only do I use "utilize" on a fairly-frequent basis, I usually spell it "utilise" (en-GB) just to doubly fuck with people.

"Shoot you" a text/email/contact.  Don't shoot me.  I don't want to be shot.

"Shoot" means a lot of things beyond "firing a bullet". I'm sure you realize this, so I'm not sure why it bothers you.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 12, 2019, 04:58:50 PM
Other overused office language:

"Touch base"
"Livin' the dream"
"Open a can of worms"
"Shoot you" a text/email/contact.  Don't shoot me.  I don't want to be shot.

I'll add two of mine to the list:

- circle back
- It is what it is.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on December 12, 2019, 05:30:51 PM
I've learned to just roll with it at work; you can try to create new terminology, but it's going to fall flat.

There's one I'm really tired of:

"That's above my pay grade" = company recognizes my laziness and lack of adaptability, thus pays me accordingly
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MNHighwayMan on December 12, 2019, 05:42:47 PM
So if a person gets divorced and starts to date again should they just say “I’m pre-owned?”
Say that to a feminist and you may not come out alive.

I'm curious why you think that someone advocating for equality of the sexes would find that offensive.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 12, 2019, 06:09:22 PM
But "utilizing" a barcode scanner? It scans barcodes, what untapped potential could the damn thing possibly have?

Temporary blind a potential shoplifter at Walmart that doesn't want their receipt checked?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MNHighwayMan on December 12, 2019, 06:20:02 PM
But "utilizing" a barcode scanner? It scans barcodes, what untapped potential could the damn thing possibly have?
Temporary blind a potential shoplifter at Walmart that doesn't want their receipt checked?

Considering the lasers that some of those things work with, it may not be temporary.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on December 12, 2019, 06:41:11 PM
I've learned to just roll with it at work; you can try to create new terminology, but it's going to fall flat.

There's one I'm really tired of:

"That's above my pay grade" = company recognizes my laziness and lack of adaptability, thus pays me accordingly
Eh, sometimes.  I've seen the phrase used also by people who were doormats and just did everything management threw at them when they finally realize that they are being exploited and look around at the do-nothings around them.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on December 12, 2019, 06:42:03 PM
So if a person gets divorced and starts to date again should they just say “I’m pre-owned?”
Say that to a feminist and you may not come out alive.

I'm curious why you think that someone advocating for equality of the sexes would find that offensive.
Think of a woman saying that she's "pre-owned."   I can see feminists taking issue with that.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 12, 2019, 06:43:45 PM
So if a person gets divorced and starts to date again should they just say “I’m pre-owned?”
Say that to a feminist and you may not come out alive.

I'm curious why you think that someone advocating for equality of the sexes would find that offensive.
Think of a woman saying that she's "pre-owned."   I can see feminists taking issue with that.

Bingo!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: wxfree on December 12, 2019, 07:45:03 PM
People conducting two transactions at the ATM when they only need one.  Often when I'm behind someone at an ATM they check their balance and then make a withdrawal.  I make a withdrawal and get a receipt with my balance on it as part of the same transaction.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Scott5114 on December 12, 2019, 07:57:51 PM
People conducting two transactions at the ATM when they only need one.  Often when I'm behind someone at an ATM they check their balance and then make a withdrawal.  I make a withdrawal and get a receipt with my balance on it as part of the same transaction.

Possible they check their balance first to see how much they can get out...?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 12, 2019, 07:58:36 PM
the phase "s/he's not my __________"
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 12, 2019, 08:30:41 PM
“Reach out” is still overuse business slang from I observe in my interactions with people.  I get asked “reach out” to a person and/or people at least three times weekly. 

God I hear people say it 2-3 times within 5 minutes. 

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Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 12, 2019, 08:33:26 PM
“Reach out” is still overuse business slang from I observe in my interactions with people.  I get asked “reach out” to a person and/or people at least three times weekly.

Other overused office language:

"Touch base"
"Livin' the dream"
"Open a can of worms"
"Shoot you" a text/email/contact.  Don't shoot me.  I don't want to be shot.

Other incorrect office language:
"in regards to".  If you can't figure out how to say this phrase correctly, just say "about."  It accomplishes the same thing.  If you can't take the heat of complex prepositional phrases, stay out of the kitchen.
Overuse of generic nouns like "item," "element," or "component," without explaining the context.  These words might as well be pronouns.


When questions are followed by the phrase "Asking for a friend".


I do that ironically as a joke, like with "yolo," or "swag," because I think it's dumb

One that really gets to me is calling an employee a “associate” or “team member.”   Associates own stock in a company, it seems that term came from places like Walmart.  I don’t play sports with my co-workers or employees so therefore they cannot be teammates.  My co-workers and employees aren’t “my family” either. 

Or a guest.  I'm a customer, it's okay to be a customer. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: GaryV on December 12, 2019, 09:17:55 PM
If I'm a guest, why do I have to pay?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 12, 2019, 09:30:34 PM
Has anyone mentioned the irritation caused by motorists who don't utilize a turn signal when it obviously would be helpful to other motorists to know what that vehicle will do?

Probably 40% or more motorists don't know when to use a turn signal.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 12, 2019, 09:35:05 PM
If I'm a guest, why do I have to pay?

Kinda like asking for the check but always getting a bill?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on December 12, 2019, 09:38:04 PM
If I'm a guest, why do I have to pay?

Kinda like asking for the check but always getting a bill? 
This is going to annoy me from now on.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 12, 2019, 10:26:39 PM
If I'm a guest, why do I have to pay?


If you're a guest, shouldn't you have brought a gift for the host?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on December 12, 2019, 11:03:24 PM
If I'm a guest, why do I have to pay?


If you're a guest, shouldn't you have brought a gift for the host?
...or something to go along with the meal?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 12, 2019, 11:19:21 PM
If I'm a guest, why do I have to pay?

Guests in the home steal from the medicine cabinets all the time, so why not Target?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kurumi on December 12, 2019, 11:49:44 PM
Paste a URL into a note-taking app, email client, etc., and it'll probably linkify and underline it for you, like https://kurumi.com...

and then underline everything else you type after that. I can't think of one time where I wanted this to happen.

Generally auto-formatting and pasting styled text sucks, and you end up having to undo what the app did to "help you".
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on December 13, 2019, 04:45:03 AM
DOTs putting "operations" after everything...

Paving operations will be complete tomorrow.
Flagging operations active today.

This comment operation is finished.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on December 13, 2019, 07:04:19 AM
“Reach out” is still overuse business slang from I observe in my interactions with people.  I get asked “reach out” to a person and/or people at least three times weekly.

Other overused office language:

"Touch base"
"Livin' the dream"
"Open a can of worms"
"Shoot you" a text/email/contact.  Don't shoot me.  I don't want to be shot.

Other incorrect office language:
"in regards to".  If you can't figure out how to say this phrase correctly, just say "about."  It accomplishes the same thing.  If you can't take the heat of complex prepositional phrases, stay out of the kitchen.
Overuse of generic nouns like "item," "element," or "component," without explaining the context.  These words might as well be pronouns.

One that seems pretty common in my workplace is "utilize" in place of "use".

"The cashier will utilize the barcode scanner to input the ticket number..."

That's because "utilize" just means "use", but using three times as many syllables, so people say it when they want to sound smart or formal. These people don't realize that "utilize" carries a different connotation of "making the full use of", and should only be used (not utilized) in that context. So "The casino will utilize the cage department to sell bingo tickets" would be fine, for example, because utilize conveys the implication that the department has extra resources that could be applied toward selling bingo tickets.

But "utilizing" a barcode scanner? It scans barcodes, what untapped potential could the damn thing possibly have?

In a similar vein to this, there are a lot of redundancies people use because they think it sounds more accurate or makes them sound more educated. The one I hear most often is the Metrorail operators saying “last and final”—for example, “This is Huntington, the last and final stop.” (The train is usually not going out of service when they say this, either; if it is, they’ll announce that separately.) What, do they think there’s a last and not-final stop, or a final and next-to-last stop?

This sort of thing is way too common in the legal profession—people think they have to say things like “each and every” or “any and all” because they fear they’re omitting something if they don’t use both words, as though asking for “all” of something somehow means that if someone doesn’t have “all” of what is requested he won’t have to produce what he has unless you also ask him to produce “any” material. It’s stupid and it makes for horrible writing. (Then there was the guy who included a definition: “The word ‘all’ means ‘any and all.’”  :rolleyes: )

There are some people who use the wrong word thinking it’s right. I worked with a guy who apparently thought “penultimate” is something bigger than “ultimate.” It was clear from how he used it that he didn’t know it meant “next-to-last” (literally: it’s derived from two Latin words that together mean “almost last”).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 13, 2019, 08:54:27 AM
“Reach out” is still overuse business slang from I observe in my interactions with people.  I get asked “reach out” to a person and/or people at least three times weekly.

Other overused office language:

"Touch base"
"Livin' the dream"
"Open a can of worms"
"Shoot you" a text/email/contact.  Don't shoot me.  I don't want to be shot.

Other incorrect office language:
"in regards to".  If you can't figure out how to say this phrase correctly, just say "about."  It accomplishes the same thing.  If you can't take the heat of complex prepositional phrases, stay out of the kitchen.
Overuse of generic nouns like "item," "element," or "component," without explaining the context.  These words might as well be pronouns.

One that seems pretty common in my workplace is "utilize" in place of "use".

"The cashier will utilize the barcode scanner to input the ticket number..."

That's because "utilize" just means "use", but using three times as many syllables, so people say it when they want to sound smart or formal. These people don't realize that "utilize" carries a different connotation of "making the full use of", and should only be used (not utilized) in that context. So "The casino will utilize the cage department to sell bingo tickets" would be fine, for example, because utilize conveys the implication that the department has extra resources that could be applied toward selling bingo tickets.

But "utilizing" a barcode scanner? It scans barcodes, what untapped potential could the damn thing possibly have?

In a similar vein to this, there are a lot of redundancies people use because they think it sounds more accurate or makes them sound more educated. The one I hear most often is the Metrorail operators saying “last and final”—for example, “This is Huntington, the last and final stop.” (The train is usually not going out of service when they say this, either; if it is, they’ll announce that separately.) What, do they think there’s a last and not-final stop, or a final and next-to-last stop?

This sort of thing is way too common in the legal profession—people think they have to say things like “each and every” or “any and all” because they fear they’re omitting something if they don’t use both words, as though asking for “all” of something somehow means that if someone doesn’t have “all” of what is requested he won’t have to produce what he has unless you also ask him to produce “any” material. It’s stupid and it makes for horrible writing. (Then there was the guy who included a definition: “The word ‘all’ means ‘any and all.’”  :rolleyes: )

There are some people who use the wrong word thinking it’s right. I worked with a guy who apparently thought “penultimate” is something bigger than “ultimate.” It was clear from how he used it that he didn’t know it meant “next-to-last” (literally: it’s derived from two Latin words that together mean “almost last”).

When it comes down to legal stuff, guaranteed there's some lawsuit that leads to the current language used.  Refer back to the forum discussion about the oxford comma for an example.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 13, 2019, 09:36:54 AM
If you nag me about something it's not a "friendly reminder".

Of course I'll throw in "Happy Holidays" because we can't say Merry Christmas for fear of offending anyone.

"real quick" or "to make a long story short" which means it's not likely to be short.  People telling me to be "real quick" means I'm likely to slow down.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: hbelkins on December 13, 2019, 11:41:43 AM
If we're talking about phrases that bother us, "centered around" gets me, because it's factually incorrect. "Centered on" is the correct term.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: J N Winkler on December 13, 2019, 12:07:48 PM
Paste a URL into a note-taking app, email client, etc., and it'll probably linkify and underline it for you, like https://kurumi.com...

and then underline everything else you type after that. I can't think of one time where I wanted this to happen.

I have personally never had this problem.  I've always assumed that linkifying logic looks for whitespace to determine the end of the link, so if I don't isolate a link on a line of its own, I typically place it at the ends of a sentence (not in parentheses) and omit sentence-final punctuation.

Generally auto-formatting and pasting styled text sucks, and you end up having to undo what the app did to "help you".

It irritates me when keyboard apps marketed as having context-based learning (such as Gboard) consistently mispredict frequently used text.  For example, I order online from a restaurant and enter "No utensils needed" in a special-request box, and despite dozens of opportunities to learn, Gboard still doesn't offer me that as an option when I navigate to that box.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on December 13, 2019, 12:10:44 PM
When it comes down to legal stuff, guaranteed there's some lawsuit that leads to the current language used.  Refer back to the forum discussion about the oxford comma for an example.

I think some of it is inertia and superstition. Someone used a certain form and won a case, so his colleagues copied him and others did the same. This is a pet peeve of mine and I could rant about it for a long time, but I'll spare you.



It irritates me when keyboard apps marketed as having context-based learning (such as Gboard) consistently mispredict frequently used text.  For example, I order online from a restaurant and enter "No utensils needed" in a special-request box, and despite dozens of opportunities to learn, Gboard still doesn't offer me that as an option when I navigate to that box.

Yesterday when I started to type the word "insurance," my phone wanted to put "insurgents."  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 13, 2019, 12:27:09 PM
When it comes down to legal stuff, guaranteed there's some lawsuit that leads to the current language used.  Refer back to the forum discussion about the oxford comma for an example.

I think some of it is inertia and superstition. Someone used a certain form and won a case, so his colleagues copied him and others did the same. This is a pet peeve of mine and I could rant about it for a long time, but I'll spare you.

As in a precedence?

Which, by the way, is a minor thing that bother's me.   Whenever something happens, people try to use that as a precedence for the future, or if something already happened, they claim that there was already precedence.  However, I can usually find another, opposite example, which basically wipes out that precedence.

Sometimes, people don't even realize they're talking about it.  Let's use a road issue for an example:  Someone rolls thru a stop sign without stopping.  Cop was nearby, and maybe even sees them commit the minor infraction, but doesn't go after them.  Numerous rolls thru that stop sign later, and the violator is finally stopped by the cops.  The violator tries to claim that because he's done it before, that basically he can continue to do it and the cops shouldn't bother with him.  Someone that plays this hand will almost always get a summons. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DTComposer on December 13, 2019, 12:31:08 PM
One that really gets to me is calling an employee a “associate” or “team member.”   Associates own stock in a company, it seems that term came from places like Walmart.  I don’t play sports with my co-workers or employees so therefore they cannot be teammates.  My co-workers and employees aren’t “my family” either. 

I agree "team member" is a bit jargony, but the use of team is not restricted to sports -

Merriam-Webster, first entry: a number of persons associated together in work or activity

Dictionary.com, second entry: a number of persons associated in some joint action

Along these lines, though, Disney calling all of their employees "cast members" is a little much (speaking as someone who was a "cast member" for almost 10 years) - I get it as a reminder for those in public-facing jobs but not working directly in entertainment that they were still part of the "show" as far as guest interactions, but applying that terminology to, say, a payroll specialist in Burbank seems a little incredulous.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Scott5114 on December 13, 2019, 01:07:11 PM
Of course I'll throw in "Happy Holidays" because we can't say Merry Christmas for fear of offending anyone.

"Happy Holidays" is nice because it's a lot shorter than "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year".

At this point more people bitch about "Happy Holidays" than anyone ever did about "Merry Christmas", so I just don't acknowledge it being December at all.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 13, 2019, 01:19:31 PM
Of course I'll throw in "Happy Holidays" because we can't say Merry Christmas for fear of offending anyone.

"Happy Holidays" is nice because it's a lot shorter than "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year".

At this point more people bitch about "Happy Holidays" than anyone ever did about "Merry Christmas", so I just don't acknowledge it being December at all.

Festivus for the rest of us!
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 13, 2019, 01:50:50 PM
One that really gets to me is calling an employee a “associate” or “team member.”   Associates own stock in a company, it seems that term came from places like Walmart.  I don’t play sports with my co-workers or employees so therefore they cannot be teammates.  My co-workers and employees aren’t “my family” either. 

I agree "team member" is a bit jargony, but the use of team is not restricted to sports -

Merriam-Webster, first entry: a number of persons associated together in work or activity

Dictionary.com, second entry: a number of persons associated in some joint action

Along these lines, though, Disney calling all of their employees "cast members" is a little much (speaking as someone who was a "cast member" for almost 10 years) - I get it as a reminder for those in public-facing jobs but not working directly in entertainment that they were still part of the "show" as far as guest interactions, but applying that terminology to, say, a payroll specialist in Burbank seems a little incredulous.

Isn’t Subway calling their employees “Sandwich Artists?”  I couldn’t fathom someone being dense enough to put that out their resume or job application. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman on December 13, 2019, 01:56:37 PM
Automatically describing something as 'historic" just because it hadn't happened before.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: TheHighwayMan394 on December 13, 2019, 02:09:48 PM
Of course I'll throw in "Happy Holidays" because we can't say Merry Christmas for fear of offending anyone.

"Happy Holidays" is nice because it's a lot shorter than "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year".

At this point more people bitch about "Happy Holidays" than anyone ever did about "Merry Christmas", so I just don't acknowledge it being December at all.

Happy Holidays makes sense because I don’t know what you celebrate. Unless you’re wearing a stupid Christmas sweater or a Star of David or something.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SectorZ on December 13, 2019, 02:22:03 PM
One that really gets to me is calling an employee a “associate” or “team member.”   Associates own stock in a company, it seems that term came from places like Walmart.  I don’t play sports with my co-workers or employees so therefore they cannot be teammates.  My co-workers and employees aren’t “my family” either.

Walmart had a few sports related terms when I worked there thru the late 90's, mostly with cleaning up the store. "Zone defense", mostly done approaching closing, was the general clean-up of your own department, whereas a "blitz" was a bunch of people leaving their dept. to clean up a messier one.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on December 13, 2019, 02:26:59 PM
When it comes down to legal stuff, guaranteed there's some lawsuit that leads to the current language used.  Refer back to the forum discussion about the oxford comma for an example.

I think some of it is inertia and superstition. Someone used a certain form and won a case, so his colleagues copied him and others did the same. This is a pet peeve of mine and I could rant about it for a long time, but I'll spare you.

As in a precedence?

....

Precedent, actually. I wouldn't really view what I described as a precedent because in the legal world that term usually (not always, but usually) refers to a court decision that then gets followed by later courts.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Brandon on December 13, 2019, 02:48:06 PM
Of course I'll throw in "Happy Holidays" because we can't say Merry Christmas for fear of offending anyone.

I prefer "Happy Holidays" for the season (Thanksgiving through New Years) as a whole, saving the exact holiday for the day or couple days prior to the holiday since there are so many during this season.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 13, 2019, 03:05:43 PM
At this point more people bitch about "Happy Holidays" than anyone ever did about "Merry Christmas", so I just don't acknowledge it being December at all.

I like that approach!  Maybe switch to saying "Decent December" instead, though.

Happy Holidays makes sense because I don’t know what you celebrate. Unless you’re wearing a stupid Christmas sweater or a Star of David or something.

"Holidays" as a way of being inclusive doesn't bother me so much if it's actually legitimate.  But it's usually not.

1.  If your company party has a Christmas tree, pictures with Santa Claus, wrapping paper with elves and reindeer and Joy to the World printed on it...  then it's a Christmas party.  Nobody went to any trouble to try and fit in a different religion's holiday, so don't somehow pretend they did by calling it a "holiday party" instead of a "Christmas party".

2.  Do you know when Hanukkah is?  Here's a tip:  if Hanukkah has already ended, then there's no longer any reason not to say "Merry Christmas".  Chances are though, you don't know when Hanukkah is but are still trying to pretend you're sensitive to people's religious faith.  OK, you get half a point for trying.

3.  On December 26, do you ask someone if they had a "good holiday"?  Really?  What holiday are you referring to?  Don't tell me you might be referring to Hanukkah unless you're prepared to answer YES to #2 above.  This year, for example, December 26 is only halfway through Hanukkah.  Last year, it had already been over for two weeks.  Just ask if they had a good Christmas, and then be prepared for them to tell you they don't celebrate Christmas because _________.

4.  Kwanzaa isn't a real holiday.



On the other hand, "holidays" is perfectly good for referring to the whole time between Thanksgiving and the New Year.  It's the time of year when people have family gatherings, participate in cultural and religious traditions, take time off from work, etc.  "Happy holidays" has been used as such for a hundred years, but it somehow got slurped up into political correctness.  I think we'd feel less icky and flaky in using the phrase "Happy holidays" if we weren't so darned afraid to use "Merry Christmas" when that's what we actually mean.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 13, 2019, 03:06:08 PM
I prefer "Happy Holidays" for the season (Thanksgiving through New Years) as a whole, saving the exact holiday for the day or couple days prior to the holiday since there are so many during this season.

Well, there you go, being reasonable and all!
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 13, 2019, 04:04:55 PM
I prefer "Happy Holidays" for the season (Thanksgiving through New Years) as a whole, saving the exact holiday for the day or couple days prior to the holiday since there are so many during this season.
Well, there you go, being reasonable and all!

Or just ignore the brewhaha altogether and stick with "Have a nice day/morning/afternoon/evening/night". Works all year round.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: GaryV on December 13, 2019, 04:11:45 PM

Or just ignore the brouhaha altogether and stick with "Have a nice day/morning/afternoon/evening/night". Works all year round.

Or, "Have a good one."  Which is somewhat annoying to me.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on December 13, 2019, 05:52:19 PM
George's take.

Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: allniter89 on December 14, 2019, 12:14:43 AM
1. With a double-door entrance/exit doorway, keeping one of the doors locked, effectively making it a wall with a door handle. The double door is there for a reason: safety. It's meant to provide a wide through-space for dumping the building in an emergency. They're often specified by building codes for buildings over a certain occupancy. Plus, it's just so annoying to pull on a door that doesn't budge. It's like the door says, "Psych!"

2. Stores (like my local Walmart) that have an employee check everyone's receipts as they leave. There has got to be a better loss prevention strategy than treating all of your customers like they're already shoplifters.
I've never been checked at WM but Sams does. We're getting a BJ's here soon, is it a Sams clone?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on December 14, 2019, 01:08:20 AM
Quote

4.  Kwanzaa isn't a real holiday.



What makes a holiday real?  People celebrate Kwanzaa.  That's real enough.

Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Scott5114 on December 14, 2019, 01:23:24 AM
At this point more people bitch about "Happy Holidays" than anyone ever did about "Merry Christmas", so I just don't acknowledge it being December at all.

I like that approach!  Maybe switch to saying "Decent December" instead, though.

I just stick with my standard "Good luck", which ranges from making a lot of sense if I'm at work (casino), and potentially extremely concerning if not.

"Okay, your order will be $15.17 and it'll be there in about 30 minutes!"
"Thank you! Good luck!"
*hangs up*
"...Wait, what about this order makes him think we need good luck?"
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 14, 2019, 04:52:57 PM
At this point more people bitch about "Happy Holidays" than anyone ever did about "Merry Christmas", so I just don't acknowledge it being December at all.

I like that approach!  Maybe switch to saying "Decent December" instead, though.

Happy Holidays makes sense because I don’t know what you celebrate. Unless you’re wearing a stupid Christmas sweater or a Star of David or something.

"Holidays" as a way of being inclusive doesn't bother me so much if it's actually legitimate.  But it's usually not.

1.  If your company party has a Christmas tree, pictures with Santa Claus, wrapping paper with elves and reindeer and Joy to the World printed on it...  then it's a Christmas party.  Nobody went to any trouble to try and fit in a different religion's holiday, so don't somehow pretend they did by calling it a "holiday party" instead of a "Christmas party".

2.  Do you know when Hanukkah is?  Here's a tip:  if Hanukkah has already ended, then there's no longer any reason not to say "Merry Christmas".  Chances are though, you don't know when Hanukkah is but are still trying to pretend you're sensitive to people's religious faith.  OK, you get half a point for trying.

3.  On December 26, do you ask someone if they had a "good holiday"?  Really?  What holiday are you referring to?  Don't tell me you might be referring to Hanukkah unless you're prepared to answer YES to #2 above.  This year, for example, December 26 is only halfway through Hanukkah.  Last year, it had already been over for two weeks.  Just ask if they had a good Christmas, and then be prepared for them to tell you they don't celebrate Christmas because _________.

4.  Kwanzaa isn't a real holiday.



On the other hand, "holidays" is perfectly good for referring to the whole time between Thanksgiving and the New Year.  It's the time of year when people have family gatherings, participate in cultural and religious traditions, take time off from work, etc.  "Happy holidays" has been used as such for a hundred years, but it somehow got slurped up into political correctness.  I think we'd feel less icky and flaky in using the phrase "Happy holidays" if we weren't so darned afraid to use "Merry Christmas" when that's what we actually mean.

That's what I mean. if its a holiday party bring out some dreidels. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: noelbotevera on December 14, 2019, 05:21:46 PM
-People who are very particular on English rules...yes I know the rules, no I don't care. Some of the best authors (like James Joyce) and accents (Southern, New England) routinely break the rules of English. English is also full of extremely stupid rules with too many exceptions and too many terms.

-People who play music way too loudly over their headset...it's called a headset for a reason, not a loudspeaker.

-People who speak too fast...if I'm talking to you, it's kinda important for me to understand what you're saying. This is why I speak slowly on purpose.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: hbelkins on December 14, 2019, 05:41:28 PM
Which, by the way, is a minor thing that bother's me.

Has anyone mentioned the misuse of apostrophes yet?  :-D :-D
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MikeTheActuary on December 14, 2019, 05:45:06 PM
“Reach out” is still overuse business slang from I observe in my interactions with people.  I get asked “reach out” to a person and/or people at least three times weekly.

Other overused office language:

"Touch base"
"Livin' the dream"
"Open a can of worms"
"Shoot you" a text/email/contact.  Don't shoot me.  I don't want to be shot.

Other incorrect office language:
"in regards to".  If you can't figure out how to say this phrase correctly, just say "about."  It accomplishes the same thing.  If you can't take the heat of complex prepositional phrases, stay out of the kitchen.
Overuse of generic nouns like "item," "element," or "component," without explaining the context.  These words might as well be pronouns.


When questions are followed by the phrase "Asking for a friend".


I do that ironically as a joke, like with "yolo," or "swag," because I think it's dumb

One of the nice things about my now reporting to an office in Montréal is that my boss and others in my department are not native speakers of English (two French Canadians, one German, and me).  We have to simplify our language in order to understand one another.  While it means that I don't get to use my odd colloquialisms when describing my work, we also end up sparing ourselves the corporate jargon because it doesn't always translate correctly.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MikeTheActuary on December 14, 2019, 05:49:36 PM
-People who are very particular on English rules...yes I know the rules, no I don't care. Some of the best authors (like James Joyce) and accents (Southern, New England) routinely break the rules of English. English is also full of extremely stupid rules with too many exceptions and too many terms.

I have two standard responses when folks get pedantic on English grammar rules:

1.  English isn't French, German, or Icelandic.  We don't have a specific organization that defends the language and codifies the rules around it.  Our rules of grammar are descriptive, rather than prescriptive, and our language evolves.

2.  (After taking a moment to bring up a thick Lower Alabama twang) "Y'all talk funny too."
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MNHighwayMan on December 14, 2019, 05:52:16 PM
Some of the best […] accents (Southern, New England)

I hope this is a joke, because it is definitively false.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 14, 2019, 10:20:55 PM
Anyone over the age of 10 who says "veggies"
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MNHighwayMan on December 14, 2019, 10:26:25 PM
Anyone over the age of 10 who says "veggies"

Veggies.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 14, 2019, 10:34:51 PM
STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 14, 2019, 10:50:52 PM
Anyone over the age of 10 who says "veggies"

Anyone with kids over the age of 10 who uses the word "potty" (by itself and outside of telling a joke). However, for whatever reason the term "potty-mouth" doesn't bother me.



- How it takes at least two days to mail a letter to a city 10 minutes away
- How certain documents have to be snail-mailed
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 15, 2019, 09:58:26 AM
Anyone over the age of 10 who says "veggies"

Anyone with kids over the age of 10 who uses the word "potty" (by itself and outside of telling a joke). However, for whatever reason the term "potty-mouth" doesn't bother me.



- How it takes at least two days to mail a letter to a city 10 minutes away
- How certain documents have to be snail-mailed

Good one
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jakeroot on December 15, 2019, 10:45:28 AM
Anyone with kids over the age of 10 who uses the word "potty" (by itself and outside of telling a joke). However, for whatever reason the term "potty-mouth" doesn't bother me.

I don't personally own dogs, but my grandparent's dogs go "potty". That's the word they were trained. I guess because it's shorter than going to "the bathroom" or something else.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on December 15, 2019, 11:01:54 AM
Anyone with kids over the age of 10 who uses the word "potty" (by itself and outside of telling a joke). However, for whatever reason the term "potty-mouth" doesn't bother me.

I don't personally own dogs, but my grandparent's dogs go "potty". That's the word they were trained. I guess because it's shorter than going to "the bathroom" or something else.

When I was a kid, my parents never used the word "potty" except in reference to a "training potty" they had for when we were super-little kids learning how to go. They never said, for example, "Does anyone need to go potty?" before we left to drive somewhere. They asked if we needed to "go to the bathroom." In general, my parents didn't talk down to us and didn't use very many childish expressions.

To me, "potty" sounds like a word someone from Brooklyn uses to describe an event you have for a momentous occasion, like a significant birthday (i.e., "party"). But then, my relatives all pronounce my aunt's ex-husband's name (Arty) as if it were "Otty," so it's understandable why it sounds that way to me.



Which, by the way, is a minor thing that bother's me.

Has anyone mentioned the misuse of apostrophes yet?  :-D :-D

One thing that irks me is the prevalence of the misuse of the opening single quotation mark when the correct character is an apostrophe. A major reason for this is the use of autocorrect features in word-processing software. The software doesn't know you're truncating something and need an apostrophe, so it inserts a single quotation mark, and people just assume it's correct. (The easiest way to solve the problem is to type another character before the desired apostrophe, then go back and delete it.) The incorrect style looks particularly idiotic in newspaper headlines or on t-shirts. I found this mnemonic explanation on a blog:

(http://www.signalinc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/apostrophe_blog_graphic.jpg)

In a similar vein, we've had that discussion about the one-space versus two-space holdover from the typewriter era. Another similar issue arises when people misuse an en dash when they need an em dash. This is, again, caused by autocorrect. Some people put spaces around dashes and will type in the form "word space hyphen hyphen space word." (Example: dash -- but) Some style guides call for that form as well, while others call for a "small space" just to set off the dash a little bit. The problem is, MS Word inserts the shorter en dash when you do this. To get the correct em dash, you need to omit the spaces around the two hyphens (example: dash--but) or know the code for typing the correct style dash (on a Windows PC, Alt+0151 on the ten-key).

The worst is the people who try to use a single hyphen in place of a dash. It's hideous.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 15, 2019, 11:02:43 AM
Anyone with kids over the age of 10 who uses the word "potty" (by itself and outside of telling a joke). However, for whatever reason the term "potty-mouth" doesn't bother me.

I don't personally own dogs, but my grandparent's dogs go "potty". That's the word they were trained. I guess because it's shorter than going to "the bathroom" or something else.

The shorter the command with a dog the better.  My dogs know simply what “potty” is and don’t need it further expounded upon to get what I’m telling them to do. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jakeroot on December 15, 2019, 11:35:33 AM
Anyone with kids over the age of 10 who uses the word "potty" (by itself and outside of telling a joke). However, for whatever reason the term "potty-mouth" doesn't bother me.

I don't personally own dogs, but my grandparent's dogs go "potty". That's the word they were trained. I guess because it's shorter than going to "the bathroom" or something else.

The shorter the command with a dog the better.  My dogs know simply what “potty” is and don’t need it further expounded upon to get what I’m telling them to do.

Makes perfect sense to me. Plus, so many dogs are like kids to people, so using childish terms seems reasonable.

Anyone with kids over the age of 10 who uses the word "potty" (by itself and outside of telling a joke). However, for whatever reason the term "potty-mouth" doesn't bother me.

I don't personally own dogs, but my grandparent's dogs go "potty". That's the word they were trained. I guess because it's shorter than going to "the bathroom" or something else.

When I was a kid, my parents never used the word "potty" except in reference to a "training potty" they had for when we were super-little kids learning how to go. They never said, for example, "Does anyone need to go potty?" before we left to drive somewhere. They asked if we needed to "go to the bathroom." In general, my parents didn't talk down to us and didn't use very many childish expressions.

To me, "potty" sounds like a word someone from Brooklyn uses to describe an event you have for a momentous occasion, like a significant birthday (i.e., "party"). But then, my relatives all pronounce my aunt's ex-husband's name (Arty) as if it were "Otty," so it's understandable why it sounds that way to me.

If I had more family from New England, I would likely agree with that sentiment.

I was never trained to use the "potty" myself. It was always just the dogs. "Bathroom", "restroom", or "washroom" were most common. Sometimes "toilet".
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on December 15, 2019, 01:35:30 PM
Anyone over the age of 10 who says "veggies"

Anyone with kids over the age of 10 who uses the word "potty" (by itself and outside of telling a joke). However, for whatever reason the term "potty-mouth" doesn't bother me.



- How it takes at least two days to mail a letter to a city 10 minutes away
- How certain documents have to be snail-mailed

Mail-in Rebates!!!
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 15, 2019, 01:37:39 PM
Anyone with kids over the age of 10 who uses the word "potty" (by itself and outside of telling a joke). However, for whatever reason the term "potty-mouth" doesn't bother me.

I don't personally own dogs, but my grandparent's dogs go "potty". That's the word they were trained. I guess because it's shorter than going to "the bathroom" or something else.

"Pee" is even shorter.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jakeroot on December 15, 2019, 01:56:27 PM
Anyone with kids over the age of 10 who uses the word "potty" (by itself and outside of telling a joke). However, for whatever reason the term "potty-mouth" doesn't bother me.

I don't personally own dogs, but my grandparent's dogs go "potty". That's the word they were trained. I guess because it's shorter than going to "the bathroom" or something else.

"Pee" is even shorter.

What if they gotta shit? Even if they can't speak English, I try to be fair and treat both maneuvers equally.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 15, 2019, 02:03:15 PM
Anyone with kids over the age of 10 who uses the word "potty" (by itself and outside of telling a joke). However, for whatever reason the term "potty-mouth" doesn't bother me.

I don't personally own dogs, but my grandparent's dogs go "potty". That's the word they were trained. I guess because it's shorter than going to "the bathroom" or something else.

"Pee" is even shorter.

What if they gotta shit? Even if they can't speak English, I try to be fair and treat both maneuvers equally.

Your dog's going to know the difference?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: tchafe1978 on December 15, 2019, 02:58:17 PM
Anyone over the age of 10 who says "veggies"

Anyone with kids over the age of 10 who uses the word "potty" (by itself and outside of telling a joke). However, for whatever reason the term "potty-mouth" doesn't bother me.



- How it takes at least two days to mail a letter to a city 10 minutes away
- How certain documents have to be snail-mailed

Mail-in Rebates!!!

Worse are the mail-in rebates that only give you in-store credit, and not cash back. A certain Wisconsin based home improvement store chain is well known for this.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 15, 2019, 03:38:45 PM
Anyone over the age of 10 who says "veggies"

Anyone with kids over the age of 10 who uses the word "potty" (by itself and outside of telling a joke). However, for whatever reason the term "potty-mouth" doesn't bother me.



- How it takes at least two days to mail a letter to a city 10 minutes away
- How certain documents have to be snail-mailed

Mail-in Rebates!!!

Worse are the mail-in rebates that only give you in-store credit, and not cash back. A certain Wisconsin based home improvement store chain is well known for this.

The customer in me completely agrees, but it's a brilliant business move. Generate foot traffic from those who weren't too lazy to get their "money" back.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: hbelkins on December 15, 2019, 03:41:10 PM
Anyone over the age of 10 who says "veggies"

Learned last week that there really is such a word as "vegetal." All along I thought it was a purposeful misspelling of "vegetable" (like "cheezburger") in the infamous Smudge the cat post that became half of the "woman shouting at a white cat" meme.

Nope, it's a real word. It's a synonym for "vegetable" when that word is used as an adjective.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jakeroot on December 15, 2019, 04:55:52 PM
Anyone with kids over the age of 10 who uses the word "potty" (by itself and outside of telling a joke). However, for whatever reason the term "potty-mouth" doesn't bother me.

I don't personally own dogs, but my grandparent's dogs go "potty". That's the word they were trained. I guess because it's shorter than going to "the bathroom" or something else.

"Pee" is even shorter.

What if they gotta shit? Even if they can't speak English, I try to be fair and treat both maneuvers equally.

Your dog's going to know the difference?

Well, no. I mean, I could teach them Mandarin if I wanted. Just trying to be consistent; if not for myself, for those around me or those watching them.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Brandon on December 15, 2019, 04:59:30 PM
Anyone over the age of 10 who says "veggies"

Anyone with kids over the age of 10 who uses the word "potty" (by itself and outside of telling a joke). However, for whatever reason the term "potty-mouth" doesn't bother me.



- How it takes at least two days to mail a letter to a city 10 minutes away
- How certain documents have to be snail-mailed

Mail-in Rebates!!!

Worse are the mail-in rebates that only give you in-store credit, and not cash back. A certain Wisconsin based home improvement store chain is well known for this.

The customer in me completely agrees, but it's a brilliant business move. Generate foot traffic from those who weren't too lazy to get their "money" back.

All 11% worth.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: wanderer2575 on December 15, 2019, 06:17:07 PM
Pharmaceutical ads.  In the middle of telling us how wonderful the drug is, they're required to recite the laundry list of ways the drug could kill us.  And they always have some generic setting (people shopping, grandparents walking in the park, etc.) that have absolutely nothing to do with the drug or the condition it's treating.

Automobile dealerships don't have sales; they have "events."

SUV commercials showing the vehicle driving through rough wilderness, amazingly without ever collecting a speck of dirt.  In reality, I think the most dirt an SUV sees is when the owner brings home a potted plant from the store.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: LM117 on December 15, 2019, 06:29:04 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/3jk4s7.jpg)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 15, 2019, 06:29:51 PM
Pharmaceutical ads.  In the middle of telling us how wonderful the drug is, they're required to recite the laundry list of ways the drug could kill us.  And they always have some generic setting (people shopping, grandparents walking in the park, etc.) that have absolutely nothing to do with the drug or the condition it's treating.

Automobile dealerships don't have sales; they have "events."

SUV commercials showing the vehicle driving through rough wilderness, amazingly without ever collecting a speck of dirt.  In reality, I think the most dirt an SUV sees is when the owner brings home a potted plant from the store.


Yet we're supposed to think vaccines are safe.

They're not dealers they're "superstores"

Yes mostly owned by soccer moms.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 15, 2019, 06:30:26 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/3jk4s7.jpg)

and the gecko, and Flo..…...
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 15, 2019, 06:45:19 PM
Pharmaceutical ads.  In the middle of telling us how wonderful the drug is, they're required to recite the laundry list of ways the drug could kill us.  And they always have some generic setting (people shopping, grandparents walking in the park, etc.) that have absolutely nothing to do with the drug or the condition it's treating.

Automobile dealerships don't have sales; they have "events."

SUV commercials showing the vehicle driving through rough wilderness, amazingly without ever collecting a speck of dirt.  In reality, I think the most dirt an SUV sees is when the owner brings home a potted plant from the store.
Yet we're supposed to think vaccines are safe.

Nothing is absolutely 100% safe. Water can be lethal, too.

Anyone over the age of 10 who says "veggies"
Anyone with kids over the age of 10 who uses the word "potty" (by itself and outside of telling a joke). However, for whatever reason the term "potty-mouth" doesn't bother me.



- How it takes at least two days to mail a letter to a city 10 minutes away
- How certain documents have to be snail-mailed

Mail-in Rebates!!!
Worse are the mail-in rebates that only give you in-store credit, and not cash back. A certain Wisconsin based home improvement store chain is well known for this.
The customer in me completely agrees, but it's a brilliant business move. Generate foot traffic from those who weren't too lazy to get their "money" back.
All 11% worth.

11% adds up after a while, especially based on some of the totals I've heard announced while waiting in line. I rarely hear anyone leave that store spending less than $50.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on December 15, 2019, 06:51:57 PM
Automobile dealerships don't have sales; they have "events."
They're not dealers they're "superstores"
And they don't sell vehicles, "they sell motors".
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 15, 2019, 07:00:22 PM
Automobile dealerships don't have sales; they have "events."
They're not dealers they're "superstores"
And they don't sell vehicles, "they sell motors".

I always thought it was interesting that “motors” is used so frequently as part of the name of a dealership.  A motor typically would be associated with something electric whereas an engine would be of course combustion variant.  It wasn’t really until recently that electric motors have been much of anything in the automotive market. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on December 15, 2019, 08:56:38 PM
Dear heavens, anti-vaxxers are found even on this board.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 15, 2019, 11:37:11 PM
Dear heavens, anti-vaxxers are found even on this board.

Conspiracy theorists and ghost/UFO hunting types tend to be among the crowd that gets on my nerve the most.  Factual evidence no matter how strong is always a point of denial for those folks.  Worse yet they tend to try to indoctrinate others into whatever bat shit crazy "theory" they have.  I suppose the anti-vax crowd could be lumped into a similar grouping.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 16, 2019, 12:27:25 AM
Dear heavens, anti-vaxxers are found even on this board.
Conspiracy theorists and ghost/UFO hunting types tend to be among the crowd that gets on my nerve the most.  Factual evidence no matter how strong is always a point of denial for those folks.  Worse yet they tend to try to indoctrinate others into whatever bat shit crazy "theory" they have.  I suppose the anti-vax crowd could be lumped into a similar grouping.

So you don't believe that ghosts exist, and you don't believe that flying saucers exist?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 16, 2019, 12:35:04 AM
Dear heavens, anti-vaxxers are found even on this board.
Conspiracy theorists and ghost/UFO hunting types tend to be among the crowd that gets on my nerve the most.  Factual evidence no matter how strong is always a point of denial for those folks.  Worse yet they tend to try to indoctrinate others into whatever bat shit crazy "theory" they have.  I suppose the anti-vax crowd could be lumped into a similar grouping.

So you don't believe that ghosts exist, and you don't believe that flying saucers exist?

No on the first count regarding ghosts.  Regarding aliens the odds of some other form of intelligent life somehow interacting with us is so improbable it comes awfully close to the territory of impossible.  Either way, not many people who are firm believers in the concept of aliens and/or ghosts tend to present mindful evidence or theory the topic.  As much as I would like Ghostbusters and Star Gate to be a real thing I can’t see either happening. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: GenExpwy on December 16, 2019, 04:16:20 AM

One thing that irks me is the prevalence of the misuse of the opening single quotation mark when the correct character is an apostrophe. A major reason for this is the use of autocorrect features in word-processing software. The software doesn't know you're truncating something and need an apostrophe, so it inserts a single quotation mark, and people just assume it's correct. (The easiest way to solve the problem is to type another character before the desired apostrophe, then go back and delete it.) The incorrect style looks particularly idiotic in newspaper headlines or on t-shirts. I found this mnemonic explanation on a blog:

(http://www.signalinc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/apostrophe_blog_graphic.jpg)

In a similar vein, we've had that discussion about the one-space versus two-space holdover from the typewriter era. Another similar issue arises when people misuse an en dash when they need an em dash. This is, again, caused by autocorrect. Some people put spaces around dashes and will type in the form "word space hyphen hyphen space word." (Example: dash -- but) Some style guides call for that form as well, while others call for a "small space" just to set off the dash a little bit. The problem is, MS Word inserts the shorter en dash when you do this. To get the correct em dash, you need to omit the spaces around the two hyphens (example: dash--but) or know the code for typing the correct style dash (on a Windows PC, Alt+0151 on the ten-key).

The worst is the people who try to use a single hyphen in place of a dash. It's hideous.

Likewise, using:Regarding apostrophe-substitutes, be careful with Hawaiʻian words. The ʻokina is not an apostrophe, but a letter of the Hawaiʻian alphabet, and it is supposed to look like a tiny 6, not a tiny 9. The correct Unicode character to use is U+02BB MODIFIER LETTER TURNED COMMA.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on December 16, 2019, 05:23:12 AM

One thing that irks me is the prevalence of the misuse of the opening single quotation mark when the correct character is an apostrophe. A major reason for this is the use of autocorrect features in word-processing software. The software doesn't know you're truncating something and need an apostrophe, so it inserts a single quotation mark, and people just assume it's correct. (The easiest way to solve the problem is to type another character before the desired apostrophe, then go back and delete it.) The incorrect style looks particularly idiotic in newspaper headlines or on t-shirts. I found this mnemonic explanation on a blog:

(http://www.signalinc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/apostrophe_blog_graphic.jpg)

In a similar vein, we've had that discussion about the one-space versus two-space holdover from the typewriter era. Another similar issue arises when people misuse an en dash when they need an em dash. This is, again, caused by autocorrect. Some people put spaces around dashes and will type in the form "word space hyphen hyphen space word." (Example: dash -- but) Some style guides call for that form as well, while others call for a "small space" just to set off the dash a little bit. The problem is, MS Word inserts the shorter en dash when you do this. To get the correct em dash, you need to omit the spaces around the two hyphens (example: dash--but) or know the code for typing the correct style dash (on a Windows PC, Alt+0151 on the ten-key).

The worst is the people who try to use a single hyphen in place of a dash. It's hideous.

Likewise, using:
  • a hyphen instead of a minus sign (-40° vs −40°)
  • the letter x instead of the multiplication sign (640x480 vs 640×480)
  • (C) instead of © for the copyright symbol
  • substitutes for the prime symbols, as in 11′ 8″ (straight quotes are tolerable if necessary; curly quotes are bad).
Regarding apostrophe-substitutes, be careful with Hawaiʻian words. The ʻokina is not an apostrophe, but a letter of the Hawaiʻian alphabet, and it is supposed to look like a tiny 6, not a tiny 9. The correct Unicode character to use is U+02BB MODIFIER LETTER TURNED COMMA.

My rule of thumb is this: if I can't tell the differences when something is handwritten, then I'm not going to be annoyed by such minor misuse in digital form.

I recall a time when you had a max of ASCII 255 characters, with several of them pretty much unusable; trying to find the exact Unicode character can be a needle in a haystack or even impossible on mobile devices.

The dash thing bugs me a little, though it's one area an iPhone excels over typing on a PC. :P
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 16, 2019, 07:05:09 AM
Dear heavens, anti-vaxxers are found even on this board.

Conspiracy theorists and ghost/UFO hunting types tend to be among the crowd that gets on my nerve the most.  Factual evidence no matter how strong is always a point of denial for those folks.  Worse yet they tend to try to indoctrinate others into whatever bat shit crazy "theory" they have.  I suppose the anti-vax crowd could be lumped into a similar grouping.

So when these ads are on with 2 minutes of the dangers you probably just enjoy the pictures.  Keep in mind it's the same big pharma companies who prepare the vaccines.  Why do you think people who get the flu shot always get the flu?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 16, 2019, 07:05:49 AM
Hope I didn't mention it already but broadcasters who say "Jag-wires".  Makes me turn the station off.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1 on December 16, 2019, 07:12:19 AM
Why do you think people who get the flu shot always get the flu?

Flu shots are about 40% effective, varying from year to year. It's better than nothing, but it's nowhere near perfect.

(This does not mean you have a 60% chance of getting the flu. It means it's 60% of what it would be with no flu shot.)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on December 16, 2019, 07:13:59 AM
Dear heavens, anti-vaxxers are found even on this board.

Conspiracy theorists and ghost/UFO hunting types tend to be among the crowd that gets on my nerve the most.  Factual evidence no matter how strong is always a point of denial for those folks.  Worse yet they tend to try to indoctrinate others into whatever bat shit crazy "theory" they have.  I suppose the anti-vax crowd could be lumped into a similar grouping.

So when these ads are on with 2 minutes of the dangers you probably just enjoy the pictures.  Keep in mind it's the same big pharma companies who prepare the vaccines.  Why do you think people who get the flu shot always get the flu?
Case in Max's point.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 16, 2019, 07:32:56 AM
Why do you think people who get the flu shot always get the flu?

Flu shots are about 40% effective, varying from year to year. It's better than nothing, but it's nowhere near perfect.

(This does not mean you have a 60% chance of getting the flu. It means it's 60% of what it would be with no flu shot.)

Better than nothing?  alrighty then.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 16, 2019, 08:01:31 AM
the letter x instead of the multiplication sign (640x480 vs 640×480)
I just tried to find one in Word … is there one?

As some programming languages use the asterisk (*) for the multiplication function, I have tended to use that when I type out an equation.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on December 16, 2019, 08:30:05 AM
I wish the cent sign had been preserved on computer keyboards. It’s largely disappeared because so few people know how to type it (I’m typing this on my iPhone, and on this keyboard you hold down on the dollar sign to get a choice of ¢, €, £, and a few others; on a PC, it’s Alt-0162 on the ten-key).

Where I think it bugs me most are some CFX-posted BGSs in Florida. Their signs for exits with ramp tolls will say, for example, “Pay Toll .75”—what’s so hard about omitting the decimal point and using the cent sign so it says “Pay Toll 75¢”? I understand why the average person doesn’t know how to type this symbol and so doesn’t use it, but professional work like publishers and sign fabricators ought to be able to do better.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1 on December 16, 2019, 08:36:18 AM
¢ is option-4 on my keyboard.

× is not on my keyboard by default, but I made it shift-option-M.

I've also changed the ` key to make it type the word " the " (with spaces), with `w → " with the ", `o → " of the ", etc. Why does the ` key even exist?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 16, 2019, 08:42:07 AM
I wish the cent sign had been preserved on computer keyboards. It’s largely disappeared because so few people know how to type it (I’m typing this on my iPhone, and on this keyboard you hold down on the dollar sign to get a choice of ¢, €, £, and a few others; on a PC, it’s Alt-0162 on the ten-key).

Where I think it bugs me most are some CFX-posted BGSs in Florida. Their signs for exits with ramp tolls will say, for example, “Pay Toll .75”—what’s so hard about omitting the decimal point and using the cent sign so it says “Pay Toll 75¢”? I understand why the average person doesn’t know how to type this symbol and so doesn’t use it, but professional work like publishers and sign fabricators ought to be able to do better.

If the average person doesn't normally use it, chances are this symbol is becoming less known.  After all, it's a rare site to see it in most businesses and stores.  For travelers, .75 is probably easier to comprehend.

Is the cent sign even used outside the US?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1 on December 16, 2019, 08:49:14 AM
I wish the cent sign had been preserved on computer keyboards. It’s largely disappeared because so few people know how to type it (I’m typing this on my iPhone, and on this keyboard you hold down on the dollar sign to get a choice of ¢, €, £, and a few others; on a PC, it’s Alt-0162 on the ten-key).

Where I think it bugs me most are some CFX-posted BGSs in Florida. Their signs for exits with ramp tolls will say, for example, “Pay Toll .75”—what’s so hard about omitting the decimal point and using the cent sign so it says “Pay Toll 75¢”? I understand why the average person doesn’t know how to type this symbol and so doesn’t use it, but professional work like publishers and sign fabricators ought to be able to do better.

If the average person doesn't normally use it, chances are this symbol is becoming less known.  After all, it's a rare site to see it in most businesses and stores.  For travelers, .75 is probably easier to comprehend.

Is the cent sign even used outside the US?

The cent symbol appears on Mexico's lower-valued coins, although the lower coins aren't used much; the Mexican 50¢ coin is only worth about 3¢ in the US.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 16, 2019, 09:09:16 AM

One thing that irks me is the prevalence of the misuse of the opening single quotation mark when the correct character is an apostrophe. A major reason for this is the use of autocorrect features in word-processing software. The software doesn't know you're truncating something and need an apostrophe, so it inserts a single quotation mark, and people just assume it's correct. (The easiest way to solve the problem is to type another character before the desired apostrophe, then go back and delete it.) The incorrect style looks particularly idiotic in newspaper headlines or on t-shirts. I found this mnemonic explanation on a blog:

(http://www.signalinc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/apostrophe_blog_graphic.jpg)

In a similar vein, we've had that discussion about the one-space versus two-space holdover from the typewriter era. Another similar issue arises when people misuse an en dash when they need an em dash. This is, again, caused by autocorrect. Some people put spaces around dashes and will type in the form "word space hyphen hyphen space word." (Example: dash -- but) Some style guides call for that form as well, while others call for a "small space" just to set off the dash a little bit. The problem is, MS Word inserts the shorter en dash when you do this. To get the correct em dash, you need to omit the spaces around the two hyphens (example: dash--but) or know the code for typing the correct style dash (on a Windows PC, Alt+0151 on the ten-key).

The worst is the people who try to use a single hyphen in place of a dash. It's hideous.

Likewise, using:
  • a hyphen instead of a minus sign (-40° vs −40°)
  • the letter x instead of the multiplication sign (640x480 vs 640×480)
Building off of that, it annoys me when people make a document with mathematical equations, but decide to take the lazy way out and use whatever they can find on the keyboard instead of the handy equation builder tool that's built-in.

  • (C) instead of © for the copyright symbol

Usually I don't mind Word's auto formatting for replacing text shortcuts with the intended symbol, which is why I don't turn it off, but this one annoys me. I rarely ever need the ©, but Word thinks otherwise.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on December 16, 2019, 09:17:14 AM
^^^^

I set Word so it’d only give me the copyright symbol if I type ((c)), as opposed to (c). The latter is something I need to use often enough that I don’t want the software changing it.



If the average person doesn't normally use it, chances are this symbol is becoming less known.  After all, it's a rare site to see it in most businesses and stores.  For travelers, .75 is probably easier to comprehend.

Is the cent sign even used outside the US?

See, this is why I wish they’d kept it—on a typewriter, the ¢ was typed with Shift-8 (the combination that yields * on a computer keyboard). The cent sign was well-known and used regularly until PCs took over from typewriters. (Edited to add: At least I think I remember it being Shift-8 on my parents’ old Olivetti manual typewriter I had to use until the end of 8th grade.)

I have no idea whether people younger than about age 35 recognize the cent sign. I don’t know anyone who wouldn’t recognize it, but then most of the people I work with are older than their 20s.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: mgk920 on December 16, 2019, 09:56:31 AM
Dear heavens, anti-vaxxers are found even on this board.

Conspiracy theorists and ghost/UFO hunting types tend to be among the crowd that gets on my nerve the most.  Factual evidence no matter how strong is always a point of denial for those folks.  Worse yet they tend to try to indoctrinate others into whatever bat shit crazy "theory" they have.  I suppose the anti-vax crowd could be lumped into a similar grouping.

You mean that the 2001-09-11 attacks weren't caused by a bunch of hate-filled foreign zealots?

 :-o

Yes, those sorts of sinister grand conspiracy kooks are more than just a 'minor' thing that bothers me.

 :banghead:

Mike
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 16, 2019, 10:54:00 AM
Dear heavens, anti-vaxxers are found even on this board.

Conspiracy theorists and ghost/UFO hunting types tend to be among the crowd that gets on my nerve the most.  Factual evidence no matter how strong is always a point of denial for those folks.  Worse yet they tend to try to indoctrinate others into whatever bat shit crazy "theory" they have.  I suppose the anti-vax crowd could be lumped into a similar grouping.

You mean that the 2001-09-11 attacks weren't caused by a bunch of hate-filled foreign zealots?

 :-o

Yes, those sorts of sinister grand conspiracy kooks are more than just a 'minor' thing that bothers me.

 :banghead:

Mike

Great, now explain how building 7 imploded after debris fell on it, or that the BBC reported it came down while it was still up.  OOPS!
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: webny99 on December 16, 2019, 11:31:31 AM
I just don't acknowledge it being December at all.

Also a good life strategy.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 16, 2019, 11:41:51 AM
I just don't acknowledge it being December at all.

Also a good life strategy.

I do, I get two weeks off!
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: J N Winkler on December 16, 2019, 11:54:07 AM
I wish the cent sign had been preserved on computer keyboards. It’s largely disappeared because so few people know how to type it (I’m typing this on my iPhone, and on this keyboard you hold down on the dollar sign to get a choice of ¢, €, £, and a few others; on a PC, it’s Alt-0162 on the ten-key).

The not-so-minor thing that bothers me is the lack of cross-platform facilities for easy entry of special characters at the keyboard.  What I can achieve with deadkey combinations on one keyboard often means tedious and time-consuming menu fishing on another.

Where I think it bugs me most are some CFX-posted BGSs in Florida. Their signs for exits with ramp tolls will say, for example, “Pay Toll .75”—what’s so hard about omitting the decimal point and using the cent sign so it says “Pay Toll 75¢”? I understand why the average person doesn’t know how to type this symbol and so doesn’t use it, but professional work like publishers and sign fabricators ought to be able to do better.

I don't care if the toll amount is given in dollars or cents if it is less than one dollar and is the only money amount given, though I would expect the cents symbol to be used on a sign (despite my own practice of using c as a substitute in informal writing).  What really bothers me is the failure to use a leading zero for a decimal amount less than unity.

For consistency, I would expect all money values in a given context (such as a sign specifying toll rates) to be quoted in dollars if there is at least one equal to or greater than one dollar, with any amounts that are vertically stacked to be aligned along the decimal point.



Another thing that bothers me:  redundant usage of the dollar sign and the word "dollars" in the same expression--e.g., "$600 million dollars."
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 16, 2019, 12:09:42 PM
Where I think it bugs me most are some CFX-posted BGSs in Florida. Their signs for exits with ramp tolls will say, for example, “Pay Toll .75”—what’s so hard about omitting the decimal point and using the cent sign so it says “Pay Toll 75¢”? I understand why the average person doesn’t know how to type this symbol and so doesn’t use it, but professional work like publishers and sign fabricators ought to be able to do better.

Do they leave extra space left of the decimal? If so, it might be easier for when they raise the toll over $1.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on December 16, 2019, 12:28:17 PM
Where I think it bugs me most are some CFX-posted BGSs in Florida. Their signs for exits with ramp tolls will say, for example, “Pay Toll .75”—what’s so hard about omitting the decimal point and using the cent sign so it says “Pay Toll 75¢”? I understand why the average person doesn’t know how to type this symbol and so doesn’t use it, but professional work like publishers and sign fabricators ought to be able to do better.

Do they leave extra space left of the decimal? If so, it might be easier for when they raise the toll over $1.

Not that I’ve noticed.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman on December 16, 2019, 01:25:46 PM
Where I think it bugs me most are some CFX-posted BGSs in Florida. Their signs for exits with ramp tolls will say, for example, “Pay Toll .75”—what’s so hard about omitting the decimal point and using the cent sign so it says “Pay Toll 75¢”? I understand why the average person doesn’t know how to type this symbol and so doesn’t use it, but professional work like publishers and sign fabricators ought to be able to do better.

The MUTCD 'Exact Change Only' symbol uses the cent sign - see Figures 2F-8 and 2F-9.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 16, 2019, 02:09:54 PM
See, this is why I wish they’d kept it—on a typewriter, the ¢ was typed with Shift-8 (the combination that yields * on a computer keyboard). The cent sign was well-known and used regularly until PCs took over from typewriters. (Edited to add: At least I think I remember it being Shift-8 on my parents’ old Olivetti manual typewriter I had to use until the end of 8th grade.)

That was also at a time when many common day products were under $1 as well.  Most anything at a supermarket could be had for under $1.  Most of the products at a fast food restaurant were under $1 as well.  Woolworth 5 & 10 was basically all below $1 stuff.  The cent sign was becoming antiquated as computer keyboards became an everyday household stable, with many general products at $1 or above, so I guess the teams at IBM and Apple figured there wasn't much functionality for it.  Of course, it can be argued that that is true for ^, ~, ` and a few other symbols as well.  The ~ was important at one point for personal websites, but very few people have those anymore.

Where I think it bugs me most are some CFX-posted BGSs in Florida. Their signs for exits with ramp tolls will say, for example, “Pay Toll .75”—what’s so hard about omitting the decimal point and using the cent sign so it says “Pay Toll 75¢”? I understand why the average person doesn’t know how to type this symbol and so doesn’t use it, but professional work like publishers and sign fabricators ought to be able to do better.

Do they leave extra space left of the decimal? If so, it might be easier for when they raise the toll over $1.

Not that I’ve noticed.

Then again, it may not matter.  The DRBA recently raised their toll from $4.00 to $5.00.  They could've just placed a 5 over the 4, or $5.00 over the $4.00.  Nah, they fully replaced each and every sign with an identical sign, just with the different amount.

At least you know what the first day's increased toll funded.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 16, 2019, 02:21:49 PM
Cars without hubcaps
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 16, 2019, 02:37:18 PM
See, this is why I wish they’d kept it—on a typewriter, the ¢ was typed with Shift-8 (the combination that yields * on a computer keyboard). The cent sign was well-known and used regularly until PCs took over from typewriters. (Edited to add: At least I think I remember it being Shift-8 on my parents’ old Olivetti manual typewriter I had to use until the end of 8th grade.)

That was also at a time when many common day products were under $1 as well.  Most anything at a supermarket could be had for under $1.  Most of the products at a fast food restaurant were under $1 as well.  Woolworth 5 & 10 was basically all below $1 stuff.  The cent sign was becoming antiquated as computer keyboards became an everyday household stable, with many general products at $1 or above, so I guess the teams at IBM and Apple figured there wasn't much functionality for it.  Of course, it can be argued that that is true for ^, ~, ` and a few other symbols as well.  The ~ was important at one point for personal websites, but very few people have those anymore.

The ~ is still alive and well as a poor-man's alternative to "about" or "approximately". (Likely also a minor bother to some.)

I do wish the "not equal to" and "degree" symbols were available on the standard keyboard.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: J N Winkler on December 16, 2019, 02:47:43 PM
The ~ is still alive and well as a poor-man's alternative to "about" or "approximately". (Likely also a minor bother to some.)

I'd rather have the tilde for that than the plus/minus sign, which seems to be far more commonly used but really grates against my scientific training because its actual purpose is to specify the bounds of error, rather than the approximate amount itself.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: wxfree on December 16, 2019, 03:15:28 PM
Incorrect automotive terminology

Roads and cars go together, and I'm interested in both.

A hubcap is a small cap that covers the hub.  This might be a grease cap that's removed to grease the wheel bearing.  A lot of modern vehicles don't have them, because they use permanently sealed hub and bearing assemblies, which are much easier to replace.  The decorative disk that covers the entire face of the wheel is a wheel cover.  The wheel is the metal part that the tire goes on, including the rim and the part that connects it to the holes for the wheel studs.  The rim is the ring that matches to the tire so that the assembly can hold pressure.  The rim is the outer ring of the wheel, the part that touches the tire.  Bicycle wheels have spokes that connect the rim to the hub (that would probably be called a wheel and hub assembly).  I've seen a tire on a rim, nothing but a metal ring to hold pressure, hollow in the middle.  I don't know how it was installed or what kind of vehicle it was meant for.

It's not exactly automotive (usually), but it's a two-stroke engine, not a two-cycle engine.  The oil for it is two-stroke engine oil.  This term is misused so much that a lot of oil bottles are mislabeled.  All of these engines have one cycle.  In automotive engines, a cycle is made up of four strokes and two revolutions.  Two-stroke engines have a cycle made up of two strokes and one revolution.  I don't know of any engine that has two cycles.  Engines have one cycle that repeats.

On a related note, traffic signals don't have a green cycle and a red cycle.  The cycle is the whole process.  I'd call a red, yellow, or green term a phase.  To me, the real meaning of a cycle is the whole process, with all of the signals going through their progressions.  The green/yellow/red progression of one signal could be thought of as a cycle, because all of the other green/yellow/red progressions on other sides will happen during the red phase.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on December 16, 2019, 03:16:53 PM
Doesn't matter.  Watching hubcaps fly or roll off cars in the 1970s and 1980s action movies was a joy.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: wxfree on December 16, 2019, 03:31:39 PM
Doesn't matter.  Watching hubcaps fly or roll off cars in the 1970s and 1980s action movies was a joy.

This reminds me of something.  Supposedly, hubcaps were a way to spot an undercover police car.  Because they might be involved in pursuits, police cars didn't have full wheel covers, because if that comes off, it might tear off the valve stem and cause the tire to go flat.  They used a smaller cover that I think covered the hub and wheel nuts.  Wheel covers that go under the nuts solve the problem of them flying off.  That doesn't require any kind of advanced technology.  I don't know why they didn't use those, or why they aren't more common now.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 16, 2019, 03:31:42 PM
Usually cars without hubcaps are just ghetto cars (or cop cars). 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 16, 2019, 03:38:17 PM
On a related note, traffic signals don't have a green cycle and a red cycle.  The cycle is the whole process.  I'd call a red, yellow, or green term a phase.  To me, the real meaning of a cycle is the whole process, with all of the signals going through their progressions.  The green/yellow/red progression of one signal could be thought of as a cycle, because all of the other green/yellow/red progressions on other sides will happen during the red phase.

What you describe is the proper terminology. See Signal Timing Manual, Appendix A-1 (pg 304) (https://transops.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded_files/Signal%20Timing%20Manual%20812.pdf)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MNHighwayMan on December 16, 2019, 05:55:32 PM
Why do you think people who get the flu shot always get the flu?

That is straight up false.

Vaccines are safe for most people, besides those who are allergic to one of the components, or those who are immunocompromised. Anything else is fear-mongering or stupidity. Or both.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: US71 on December 16, 2019, 08:41:06 PM
Badly mis-shapen signs
(https://live.staticflickr.com/2708/5864706048_86f29b2c9a_d.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7266/7408887172_e78be7ed6a_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 16, 2019, 09:31:18 PM
Why do you think people who get the flu shot always get the flu?

That is straight up false.

Vaccines are safe for most people, besides those who are allergic to one of the components, or those who are immunocompromised. Anything else is fear-mongering or stupidity. Or both.

Go ahead and name call all you want.  That's always a good way to get your point across.  By the way my friend Tina almost died from being vaccinated but I bet you think she is stupid too.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on December 16, 2019, 09:33:09 PM
Well, no one gets the flu from the vaccine, anyway.  They can still get the flu from a strain that is not covered by the vaccine, which I believe includes four currently.

I get the shot because vaccines are superpowers.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: US71 on December 16, 2019, 09:37:00 PM
Why do you think people who get the flu shot always get the flu?

That is straight up false.

Vaccines are safe for most people, besides those who are allergic to one of the components, or those who are immunocompromised. Anything else is fear-mongering or stupidity. Or both.

Go ahead and name call all you want.  That's always a good way to get your point across.  By the way my friend Tina almost died from being vaccinated but I bet you think she is stupid too.

It's possible she was allergic to one of the ingredients. Eggs are a common allergy. Clinics are supposed to ask, but don't always.

Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 16, 2019, 09:49:38 PM
Why do you think people who get the flu shot always get the flu?

That is straight up false.

Vaccines are safe for most people, besides those who are allergic to one of the components, or those who are immunocompromised. Anything else is fear-mongering or stupidity. Or both.

Go ahead and name call all you want.  That's always a good way to get your point across.  By the way my friend Tina almost died from being vaccinated but I bet you think she is stupid too.

Ergo aren’t you kind of proving the point I was trying to make?  You’re basically dismissing all evidence that contradicts what you believe, but you don’t present any valid evidence of your own to back your points up.  For all you know your friend had an allergic reaction to whatever the vaccine was made of. 

Hell as skeptical as I am about ghosts and alien visitation I would welcome some compelling evidence that both were true.  In the case of vaccinations it’s hard to see how a logical person could draw the conclusion with all the available facts that they somehow cause a blanket level harm.  Allergic reactions don’t surprised me in the least, I’m allergic to certain compounds which made it difficult for me to be vaccinated.  None the less, I’m glad some viable solutions were found because Polio really sounds like a shitty disease to catch.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: US71 on December 16, 2019, 09:52:01 PM

Hell as skeptical as I am about ghosts and alien visitation I would welcome some compelling evidence that both were true.  In the case of vaccinations it’s hard to see how a logical person could draw the conclusion with all the available facts that they somehow cause a blanket level harm.  Allergic reactions don’t surprised me in the least, I’m allergic to certain compounds which made it difficult for me to be vaccinated.  None the less, I’m glad some viable solutions were found because Polio really sounds like a shitty disease to catch.

Or we can go back to the Middle Ages where you were lucky to live past 40 ;)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 16, 2019, 09:54:40 PM

Hell as skeptical as I am about ghosts and alien visitation I would welcome some compelling evidence that both were true.  In the case of vaccinations it’s hard to see how a logical person could draw the conclusion with all the available facts that they somehow cause a blanket level harm.  Allergic reactions don’t surprised me in the least, I’m allergic to certain compounds which made it difficult for me to be vaccinated.  None the less, I’m glad some viable solutions were found because Polio really sounds like a shitty disease to catch.

Or we can go back to the Middle Ages where you were lucky to live past 40 ;)

True, that’s a debate I often have with my brother.  He is convinced that companies are selling us poisoned food because it has preservatives and is genetically modified.  He doesn’t like being reminded of how people used to eat one bad piece of food and simply die from it.  There hasn’t been anything I can do to convince him that his stance in life isn’t correct even though it lowers his quality of life. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: US71 on December 16, 2019, 09:57:00 PM

Hell as skeptical as I am about ghosts and alien visitation I would welcome some compelling evidence that both were true.  In the case of vaccinations it’s hard to see how a logical person could draw the conclusion with all the available facts that they somehow cause a blanket level harm.  Allergic reactions don’t surprised me in the least, I’m allergic to certain compounds which made it difficult for me to be vaccinated.  None the less, I’m glad some viable solutions were found because Polio really sounds like a shitty disease to catch.

Or we can go back to the Middle Ages where you were lucky to live past 40 ;)

True, that’s a debate I often have with my brother.  He is convinced that companies are selling us poisoned food because it has preservatives and is genetically modified.  He doesn’t like being reminded of how people used to eat one bad piece of food and simply die from it.  There hasn’t been anything I can do to convince him that his stance in life isn’t correct even though it lowers his quality of life. 

That's sort of grey area to me. Lots of preservatives are probably not good for you and not all genetically modified food is safe (IMO).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: US 89 on December 16, 2019, 10:00:24 PM

Hell as skeptical as I am about ghosts and alien visitation I would welcome some compelling evidence that both were true.  In the case of vaccinations it’s hard to see how a logical person could draw the conclusion with all the available facts that they somehow cause a blanket level harm.  Allergic reactions don’t surprised me in the least, I’m allergic to certain compounds which made it difficult for me to be vaccinated.  None the less, I’m glad some viable solutions were found because Polio really sounds like a shitty disease to catch.

Or we can go back to the Middle Ages where you were lucky to live past 40 ;)

True, that’s a debate I often have with my brother.  He is convinced that companies are selling us poisoned food because it has preservatives and is genetically modified.  He doesn’t like being reminded of how people used to eat one bad piece of food and simply die from it.  There hasn’t been anything I can do to convince him that his stance in life isn’t correct even though it lowers his quality of life. 

That's sort of grey area to me. Lots of preservatives are probably not good for you and not all genetically modified food is safe (IMO).

Just like with vaccines, I'm going to trust the science on this one.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/food/the-plate/2016/05/17/scientists-say-gmo-foods-are-safe-public-skepticism-remains/
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: US71 on December 16, 2019, 10:01:26 PM

Hell as skeptical as I am about ghosts and alien visitation I would welcome some compelling evidence that both were true.  In the case of vaccinations it’s hard to see how a logical person could draw the conclusion with all the available facts that they somehow cause a blanket level harm.  Allergic reactions don’t surprised me in the least, I’m allergic to certain compounds which made it difficult for me to be vaccinated.  None the less, I’m glad some viable solutions were found because Polio really sounds like a shitty disease to catch.

Or we can go back to the Middle Ages where you were lucky to live past 40 ;)

True, that’s a debate I often have with my brother.  He is convinced that companies are selling us poisoned food because it has preservatives and is genetically modified.  He doesn’t like being reminded of how people used to eat one bad piece of food and simply die from it.  There hasn’t been anything I can do to convince him that his stance in life isn’t correct even though it lowers his quality of life. 

That's sort of grey area to me. Lots of preservatives are probably not good for you and not all genetically modified food is safe (IMO).

I'm just going to trust the science on this one.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/food/the-plate/2016/05/17/scientists-say-gmo-foods-are-safe-public-skepticism-remains/

Going to blind me with science? ;)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 16, 2019, 10:23:33 PM
Here’s an interesting thought I had regarding GMOs.   Has it even been really been proven that eating biological material with cancerous tumors can itself cause cancer?  On the face of it the idea of catching cancer from eating cancerous mass seems counter intuitive due to it being genetic disorder and not a bacterial/viral infection.  If I recall correctly the process of proper cooking should break down pretty much any harmful substance, even if it is a genetic disease.  I want to say that there was some sort of study done which showed that were was some  evidence in some animals to be able to transmit cancer from the salvias of a host with cancer to an otherwise healthy test subject?   Either way cancer in plant life tends to work the opposite it does in animal life and doesn’t really spread the same way. 

Chemical compounds are an interesting wildcard when it comes to preservatives.  There probably isn’t a real sample out there yet on the potential long term effects of some many preservative compounds. Granted, the preservation of food plays a big role in why people actually live into their 70s or older as opposed to getting dysentery. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 16, 2019, 10:40:30 PM
Back on topic, one that gets to me is family and friends asking constantly when I’m going to have kids?  It kind of feels like almost everyone I know has kids thinks it’s the greatest thing ever, wants more people like them, or is somehow genetic Manifest Destiny.  I haven’t exactly ruled out the possibility but suffice to say at 37 I don’t think most people I know have caught on that I think the concept of children is a money pit, timer consumer and otherwise lacking in ROI. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on December 16, 2019, 10:56:58 PM
I've yet to meet a GMO food that killed me.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 16, 2019, 11:30:28 PM
… not yet!  But these "carcinogens"  take years or even decades before they get you!
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman65 on December 17, 2019, 12:24:08 AM
Burning rubber and racing the engine of a car. It is so old!  It went out with Bell Bottoms as it was first started back in the 60's for the young and hip to get others to see how cool their Camaros or GTOs were back then, so after 50 years or more you think that people would be weary of that.  Then you have people with cars that are not sporty who often do it as well which is even more of something that is not old, but the wrong type of vehicle to show off in.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 17, 2019, 12:35:44 AM
Noisy motorcycles, some of which are ear-splittingly loud.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 17, 2019, 01:52:04 AM
- People who use the horn as a way to greet people or as a doorbell replacement
- Drivers who honk back when they were in the wrong. Does it somehow make them feel better or legitimize their screw up?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 17, 2019, 06:59:21 AM
- Drivers who honk back when they were in the wrong. Does it somehow make them feel better or legitimize their screw up?

YEP!  Drivers who honk back when they were -blatantly- in the wrong.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: NE2 on December 17, 2019, 07:03:07 AM
Kids under 18.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 17, 2019, 07:32:36 AM
- Drivers who honk back when they were in the wrong. Does it somehow make them feel better or legitimize their screw up?

YEP!  Drivers who honk back when they were -blatantly- in the wrong.


Had this old woman in front of me make a right in the right turn lane, no blinker.  Then we're on the frontage she cuts me off, no blinker, then gets on the freeway, no blinker, then once on I get over and she cuts into the middle lane in front of me, no blinker, dangerously close to me.  I honk so she honks back.  Friggin idiot.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 17, 2019, 07:33:41 AM
I've yet to meet a GMO food that killed me.

Funny, watch old TV shows.  Old people look old.  Generally people these days like a lot younger than in the past.  It's good for something I guess.  I'm 50 and get guessed 35 all the time.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 17, 2019, 07:34:47 AM

Hell as skeptical as I am about ghosts and alien visitation I would welcome some compelling evidence that both were true.  In the case of vaccinations it’s hard to see how a logical person could draw the conclusion with all the available facts that they somehow cause a blanket level harm.  Allergic reactions don’t surprised me in the least, I’m allergic to certain compounds which made it difficult for me to be vaccinated.  None the less, I’m glad some viable solutions were found because Polio really sounds like a shitty disease to catch.

Or we can go back to the Middle Ages where you were lucky to live past 40 ;)

True, that’s a debate I often have with my brother.  He is convinced that companies are selling us poisoned food because it has preservatives and is genetically modified.  He doesn’t like being reminded of how people used to eat one bad piece of food and simply die from it.  There hasn’t been anything I can do to convince him that his stance in life isn’t correct even though it lowers his quality of life. 

That's sort of grey area to me. Lots of preservatives are probably not good for you and not all genetically modified food is safe (IMO).

Just like with vaccines, I'm going to trust the science on this one.


Well, I'll trust my friend who almost died.  "Science" also says we're going to die in 10 years, so says Greta anyway.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 17, 2019, 07:36:38 AM
Why do you think people who get the flu shot always get the flu?

That is straight up false.

Vaccines are safe for most people, besides those who are allergic to one of the components, or those who are immunocompromised. Anything else is fear-mongering or stupidity. Or both.

Go ahead and name call all you want.  That's always a good way to get your point across.  By the way my friend Tina almost died from being vaccinated but I bet you think she is stupid too.

Ergo aren’t you kind of proving the point I was trying to make?  You’re basically dismissing all evidence that contradicts what you believe, but you don’t present any valid evidence of your own to back your points up.  For all you know your friend had an allergic reaction to whatever the vaccine was made of. 

Hell as skeptical as I am about ghosts and alien visitation I would welcome some compelling evidence that both were true.  In the case of vaccinations it’s hard to see how a logical person could draw the conclusion with all the available facts that they somehow cause a blanket level harm.  Allergic reactions don’t surprised me in the least, I’m allergic to certain compounds which made it difficult for me to be vaccinated.  None the less, I’m glad some viable solutions were found because Polio really sounds like a shitty disease to catch.

Well, I have a real life friend who came really close to dying after getting vaccinated.  What more proof would one need?  Do I have to have her call you on the phone?  You wouldn't change your mind anyway.  I could also post several articles but what is the point if you have your mind made up?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1 on December 17, 2019, 07:40:16 AM
How do you know it was because of the vaccine?

(Can we split this thread so that the main one doesn't get locked?)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 17, 2019, 07:50:49 AM
Why do you think people who get the flu shot always get the flu?

That is straight up false.

Vaccines are safe for most people, besides those who are allergic to one of the components, or those who are immunocompromised. Anything else is fear-mongering or stupidity. Or both.

Go ahead and name call all you want.  That's always a good way to get your point across.  By the way my friend Tina almost died from being vaccinated but I bet you think she is stupid too.

Ergo aren’t you kind of proving the point I was trying to make?  You’re basically dismissing all evidence that contradicts what you believe, but you don’t present any valid evidence of your own to back your points up.  For all you know your friend had an allergic reaction to whatever the vaccine was made of. 

Hell as skeptical as I am about ghosts and alien visitation I would welcome some compelling evidence that both were true.  In the case of vaccinations it’s hard to see how a logical person could draw the conclusion with all the available facts that they somehow cause a blanket level harm.  Allergic reactions don’t surprised me in the least, I’m allergic to certain compounds which made it difficult for me to be vaccinated.  None the less, I’m glad some viable solutions were found because Polio really sounds like a shitty disease to catch.

Well, I have a real life friend who came really close to dying after getting vaccinated.  What more proof would one need?  Do I have to have her call you on the phone?  You wouldn't change your mind anyway.  I could also post several articles but what is the point if you have your mind made up?

It could potentially sway people to your argument if you presented your evidence for how you draw your conclusions on vaccine.  That’s the main point I’m trying to make, your making your argument without giving any real evidence to support it.  Again, if someone had compelling evidence to support their claims on something I’d give it a listen.  I (or anyone else) might not think it’s compelling but it’s better than not giving any reason at all if you’re looking away opinions. 

And yes, I’ll second that all this talk on vaccine probably can be split into a different topic.  I don’t think we’ve reached the point where this hasn’t become civil from anyone’s end though. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 17, 2019, 10:21:04 AM
No kidding this was a fun thread at one time.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 17, 2019, 10:44:11 AM
- Baby bump progression photos
- Baby gender reveal parties
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 17, 2019, 11:08:18 AM
- Baby bump progression photos
- Baby gender reveal parties

When did people start doing the latter?  I was invited to one not so long ago and it took some explaining since “gender reveal party” could mean something far more adult oriented. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on December 17, 2019, 11:14:29 AM
Why do you think people who get the flu shot always get the flu?

That is straight up false.

Vaccines are safe for most people, besides those who are allergic to one of the components, or those who are immunocompromised. Anything else is fear-mongering or stupidity. Or both.

Go ahead and name call all you want.  That's always a good way to get your point across.  By the way my friend Tina almost died from being vaccinated but I bet you think she is stupid too.

Ergo aren’t you kind of proving the point I was trying to make?  You’re basically dismissing all evidence that contradicts what you believe, but you don’t present any valid evidence of your own to back your points up.  For all you know your friend had an allergic reaction to whatever the vaccine was made of. 

Hell as skeptical as I am about ghosts and alien visitation I would welcome some compelling evidence that both were true.  In the case of vaccinations it’s hard to see how a logical person could draw the conclusion with all the available facts that they somehow cause a blanket level harm.  Allergic reactions don’t surprised me in the least, I’m allergic to certain compounds which made it difficult for me to be vaccinated.  None the less, I’m glad some viable solutions were found because Polio really sounds like a shitty disease to catch.

Well, I have a real life friend who came really close to dying after getting vaccinated.  What more proof would one need?  Do I have to have her call you on the phone?  You wouldn't change your mind anyway.  I could also post several articles but what is the point if you have your mind made up?

It could potentially sway people to your argument if you presented your evidence for how you draw your conclusions on vaccine.  That’s the main point I’m trying to make, your making your argument without giving any real evidence to support it.  Again, if someone had compelling evidence to support their claims on something I’d give it a listen.  I (or anyone else) might not think it’s compelling but it’s better than not giving any reason at all if you’re looking away opinions. 

And yes, I’ll second that all this talk on vaccine probably can be split into a different topic.  I don’t think we’ve reached the point where this hasn’t become civil from anyone’s end though.
I somewhat disagree.

He had one friend who had an allergic reaction and now thinks vaccines are dangerous despite the millions that take them and don't have such a reaction and are protected (as is his friend, who was treated).

I also find Internet debates where individual articles are thrown back and forth not compelling at all any longer.  One study does not the start of the art make.  Heck, five studies don't either.

This is why I've just started to rely upon the experts (real coalitions of experts, like the CDC) and their conclusions as they have a much broader perspective on the research.  I find attacks on the experts to be quite unpersuasive as they inevitably devolve into conspiracy theories that are quite ridiculous (hundreds of doctors know the truth about the harm but are paid off and none of them blow the whistle kind of nonsense).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: renegade on December 17, 2019, 11:30:34 AM
My dad used to say, "Get your vaccinations or I'll push you off the edge of the Earth!"

 :bigass:
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman on December 17, 2019, 11:33:27 AM
Noisy motorcycles, some of which are ear-splittingly loud.
Any motorcycle that, when idling (like at a red light), sounds like it's going to quit from fuel or air starvation any minute.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on December 17, 2019, 11:56:10 AM
- Baby bump progression photos
- Baby gender reveal parties

When did people start doing the latter?  I was invited to one not so long ago and it took some explaining since “gender reveal party” could mean something far more adult oriented. 

I find the conflation of the words “sex” and “gender” annoying, but I don’t want to pursue the topic because I think it could get ugly and lead to a thread lock. The parents-to-be learned the baby’s sex, not its “gender.” I bet some people nowadays would object to the text of the Nineteenth Amendment (“The rights of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.”).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 17, 2019, 12:13:01 PM
Why do you think people who get the flu shot always get the flu?

That is straight up false.

Vaccines are safe for most people, besides those who are allergic to one of the components, or those who are immunocompromised. Anything else is fear-mongering or stupidity. Or both.

Go ahead and name call all you want.  That's always a good way to get your point across.  By the way my friend Tina almost died from being vaccinated but I bet you think she is stupid too.

Ergo aren’t you kind of proving the point I was trying to make?  You’re basically dismissing all evidence that contradicts what you believe, but you don’t present any valid evidence of your own to back your points up.  For all you know your friend had an allergic reaction to whatever the vaccine was made of. 

Hell as skeptical as I am about ghosts and alien visitation I would welcome some compelling evidence that both were true.  In the case of vaccinations it’s hard to see how a logical person could draw the conclusion with all the available facts that they somehow cause a blanket level harm.  Allergic reactions don’t surprised me in the least, I’m allergic to certain compounds which made it difficult for me to be vaccinated.  None the less, I’m glad some viable solutions were found because Polio really sounds like a shitty disease to catch.

Well, I have a real life friend who came really close to dying after getting vaccinated.  What more proof would one need?  Do I have to have her call you on the phone?  You wouldn't change your mind anyway.  I could also post several articles but what is the point if you have your mind made up?

It could potentially sway people to your argument if you presented your evidence for how you draw your conclusions on vaccine.  That’s the main point I’m trying to make, your making your argument without giving any real evidence to support it.  Again, if someone had compelling evidence to support their claims on something I’d give it a listen.  I (or anyone else) might not think it’s compelling but it’s better than not giving any reason at all if you’re looking away opinions. 

And yes, I’ll second that all this talk on vaccine probably can be split into a different topic.  I don’t think we’ve reached the point where this hasn’t become civil from anyone’s end though.
I somewhat disagree.

He had one friend who had an allergic reaction and now thinks vaccines are dangerous despite the millions that take them and don't have such a reaction and are protected (as is his friend, who was treated).

I also find Internet debates where individual articles are thrown back and forth not compelling at all any longer.  One study does not the start of the art make.  Heck, five studies don't either.

This is why I've just started to rely upon the experts (real coalitions of experts, like the CDC) and their conclusions as they have a much broader perspective on the research.  I find attacks on the experts to be quite unpersuasive as they inevitably devolve into conspiracy theories that are quite ridiculous (hundreds of doctors know the truth about the harm but are paid off and none of them blow the whistle kind of nonsense).

Regarding vaccinations the the CDC is the source that I tend to rely on for issues and conjecture in the medical field.  That isn’t to say that there might be some instances where someone can’t get a vaccination for a medical reason or had some sort of reaction to it.  The main issues, if one is trying to convince others that their belief is correct then why present some evidence to support it?  At minimum the counterpoint could be at least seen and conclusions could be thusly drawn as to it’s merit.  But that’s the point I was getting at with conspiratorial lines of thinking, that compelling counterpoint and evidence is rarely there.  Personally if my line of thinking is being challenged I would at least be rather have something more weighty than “just because” as the reasoning.  At the end of the day there are always people who are going to believe in whatever they believe, but that doesn’t necessarily work well in swaying others to a like minded opinion. Really the same could be said about almost any sort of conspiracy, aliens, cryptozoology, ghosts or other topics of the like. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 17, 2019, 01:41:37 PM
Don't forget 911 being an inside job and the JFK assassination
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 17, 2019, 01:42:57 PM
I've yet to meet a GMO food that killed me.

I've yet to find a gun that killed me! :)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 17, 2019, 01:52:07 PM
I find the conflation of the words “sex” and “gender” annoying, but I don’t want to pursue the topic because I think it could get ugly and lead to a thread lock. The parents-to-be learned the baby’s sex, not its “gender.” I bet some people nowadays would object to the text of the Nineteenth Amendment (“The rights of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.”).

The German language has 3 genders for its articles, masculine, feminine and neuter.  None of which has any relation to human sexuality.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on December 17, 2019, 02:02:14 PM
I've yet to meet a GMO food that killed me.

I've yet to find a gun that killed me! :)
You eat guns?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 17, 2019, 02:06:13 PM
Can we please steer this back on topic? It's an interesting thread I'd hate to see locked due to conspiracy theories and guns.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 17, 2019, 02:14:29 PM
Can we please steer this back on topic? It's an interesting thread I'd hate to see locked due to conspiracy theories and guns.

Stores who play Christmas music.  Gotta be torture for those working there.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on December 17, 2019, 02:47:25 PM
Can we please steer this back on topic? It's an interesting thread I'd hate to see locked due to conspiracy theories and guns.
Ok.

Come to think of it, conspiracy theories bother me.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 17, 2019, 02:55:04 PM

Quote

4.  Kwanzaa isn't a real holiday.

What makes a holiday real?  People celebrate Kwanzaa.  That's real enough.

It was just straight-up invented for people to celebrate their "blackness".  It didn't develop over time, it has no religious significance, it doesn't honor a specific person, nobody gets time off work.  It isn't.  In fact, the author of Kwanzaa specifically wanted people to not celebrate the actual holiday of Christmas.

~ or ~

We might as well call National Pizza Day a "holiday".  People celebrate it.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on December 17, 2019, 02:56:55 PM

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4.  Kwanzaa isn't a real holiday.

What makes a holiday real?  People celebrate Kwanzaa.  That's real enough.

It was just straight-up invented for people to celebrate their "blackness".  It didn't develop over time, it has no religious significance, it doesn't honor a specific person, nobody gets time off work.  It isn't.  In fact, the author of Kwanzaa specifically wanted people to not celebrate the actual holiday of Christmas.

~ or ~

We might as well call National Pizza Day a "holiday".  People celebrate it.
I don't see how its history differs from any other.  All holidays have to start somewhere.

I also don't see a problem with celebrating one's blackness.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 17, 2019, 03:02:47 PM
Mother's Day & Father's Day were started by Hallmark.  Santa in his current form started by Coca Cola
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 17, 2019, 03:29:35 PM
Mother's Day & Father's Day were started by Hallmark.

No, they weren't started by Hallmark.  But I also consider both of them to be only quasi-holidays.  Mothers Day (the older of the two) was campaigned to get each person to honor his or her own mother.  When it morphed into a day to celebrate motherhood in general, the founder reversed and attempted to stop it catching on, but it had already gained too much traction by that point. 

Santa in his current form started by Coca Cola

This is true, and I just learned that the other day, in fact.  Literally, like yesterday or the day before.  Christmas traditions and icons have come from so many different cultural and historical backgrounds that it really is a huge tangle.  But Christmas as a holiday and Saint Nicholas as a legendary figure of it have existed for much longer than Coca Cola.



I don't see how its history differs from any other.  All holidays have to start somewhere.

True.  But it checks very few of the boxes when it comes to what makes a day a "holiday" in my opinion.  You may be operating under a looser understanding than I do as to what makes a holiday a holiday.

I also don't see a problem with celebrating one's blackness.

I don't either.  I also don't see a problem with eating pizza.  But that does not a holiday make.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: ozarkman417 on December 17, 2019, 03:39:29 PM
Can we please steer this back on topic? It's an interesting thread I'd hate to see locked due to conspiracy theories and guns.

Stores who play Christmas music.  Gotta be torture for those working there.
And the fact Mariah Carey has made sixty MILLION off of All I Want for Christmas is You.



I'm Still in High School, so here are a few things about it that bother me:

- People who act as roadblocks in the halls
- Teachers who hand out useless assignments
- The fact middle schoolers are in some of the same classes as me (some are OK, but all to many just won't shut up)
- The extreme drama associated with high school. I'm definitely more on the quiet side.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 17, 2019, 03:40:30 PM
Mother's Day & Father's Day were started by Hallmark.  Santa in his current form started by Coca Cola

Hell, even Festivus has a minor following these days.  Holidays could spring from anywhere when you think about it. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Scott5114 on December 17, 2019, 03:56:50 PM
- People who act as roadblocks in the halls
- Teachers who hand out useless assignments
- The fact middle schoolers are in some of the same classes as me (some are OK, but all to many just won't shut up)
- The extreme drama associated with high school. I'm definitely more on the quiet side.

Unfortunately the first one will never change, even out of school. With the second one it depends on where you end up working. At my job I am supposed to hand count coins before putting it in a coin counting machine, ostensibly to verify that the coin counter counts it correctly. However, if the two counts don't match, the machine count is considered to be the correct one. So why do I have to count the coins by hand?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Ben114 on December 17, 2019, 04:04:46 PM
- People who act as roadblocks in the halls
- Teachers who hand out useless assignments
- The fact middle schoolers are in some of the same classes as me (some are OK, but all to many just won't shut up)
- The extreme drama associated with high school. I'm definitely more on the quiet side.
First one: The freshmen, we all hate them.

Second one: Christmas break starts Friday afternoon, what will the teachers give me? Last year a teacher gave us a ten page packet to read and write an essay (we had two weeks)

Third one: My school is beginning a two-year transition to a 7-12 model instead of 9-12 starting fall 2020. I'll probably be in lunch with them and be in the same after-school spaces as them. This is gonna be hard.

Fourth one: There are just some people that associate drama with high school. I don't have much of that (as it's an all boys school).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 17, 2019, 04:05:53 PM
People who complain about minor things.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MNHighwayMan on December 17, 2019, 04:39:19 PM
Why do you think people who get the flu shot always get the flu?
That is straight up false.

Vaccines are safe for most people, besides those who are allergic to one of the components, or those who are immunocompromised. Anything else is fear-mongering or stupidity. Or both.
Go ahead and name call all you want.  That's always a good way to get your point across.  By the way my friend Tina almost died from being vaccinated but I bet you think she is stupid too.

For the record, I didn't call you stupid. I called your perception of vaccines stupid. There is a difference.

And no, I do not think Tina is stupid. She is probably in one of the two categories of people I listed for whom vaccines are not recommended, and she probably did not know it at the time of the vaccination.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: hbelkins on December 17, 2019, 04:45:14 PM
The one thing I've noticed about anti-vaxxers and anti-GMOers is that they don't tend to fall within one ideological category. You'll hear just as many liberals and conservatives fall into those camps.

And concerning GMO food, if you have ever eaten any sort of hybrid fruit or vegetable; something that was created by grafting or other older technologies, you've eaten GMO food.

For the record, I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I don't take an annual flu shot, and I have yet to have the flu in my life.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 17, 2019, 05:14:53 PM
The one thing I've noticed about anti-vaxxers and anti-GMOers is that they don't tend to fall within one ideological category. You'll hear just as many liberals and conservatives fall into those camps.

It does seem to me that most anti-vaxxers (I hate that term, by the way) are either far left or far right—hardly ever in the middle.  They're either barefoot tree-hugging hippies, or else they're bonnet-wearing fundamentalist libertarians.

For the record, I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I don't take an annual flu shot, and I have yet to have the flu in my life.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but my wife and I sort of were for several years.  It was never a strong conviction, and we no longer camp out there.  About the most I could say is that we're putting off the HPV vaccine for as long as possible and still be in keeping with state regs.

But I don't get a flu shot either, and neither does anyone else in my household.  I've had influenza twice.  The first time, I went to the doctor right away and got on the meds, but I was still practically wiped out for about two days.  The second time, it was New Year's Eve and the doctor's office was closed the next morning.  By the time I saw the doctor, it was too late to go on the meds.  Our kids (two of them at the time) were prescribed the meds instead, just in case they started showing symptoms, but we never ended up needing it for them.  It's a nasty illness to get, and you feel like total crap for days at a time, but we each decide for ourselves what risks we're willing to take when it comes to our health.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: doorknob60 on December 17, 2019, 05:30:39 PM
For me it's gotta be people with iPhones who hate texting people that don't have iPhones and they see the green bubble

For me, it's the fact the in the US most people don't use WhatsApp or any other similar service instead of SMS. It's an iMessage-like experience, except it works on every smartphone. Luckily, I went to high school and middle school before iMessage took off. And once you're older than that, people stop caring (though, admittedly my college friend group was mostly Computer Science students, and we settled on Slack for communication within the group). Definitely download WhatsApp and give it a shot, and if anyone complains to you about SMS, tell them you have WhatsApp if they want something better. There's other options too like Signal and Telegram, WhatsApp is just the most popular and the one I settled on myself.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: J N Winkler on December 17, 2019, 06:01:13 PM
But I don't get a flu shot either, and neither does anyone else in my household.  I've had influenza twice.  The first time, I went to the doctor right away and got on the meds, but I was still practically wiped out for about two days.  The second time, it was New Year's Eve and the doctor's office was closed the next morning.  By the time I saw the doctor, it was too late to go on the meds.  Our kids (two of them at the time) were prescribed the meds instead, just in case they started showing symptoms, but we never ended up needing it for them.  It's a nasty illness to get, and you feel like total crap for days at a time, but we each decide for ourselves what risks we're willing to take when it comes to our health.

I am a believer in vaccination in general, but I go back and forth on the flu shot--some years I have gotten it, others I have not.  As Rothman has noted upthread, choosing the flu strains to include for the upcoming season is a guessing game, and inevitably some of the guesses have been wrong.

The flu shot, however, is required for health care workers, and if I were sharing a household with someone who was immune-compromised or otherwise really could not afford to catch the flu, I would be more consistent about getting a jab every autumn.

I have had influenza a time or two, but cannot remember when I last fell victim to it other than that it must have been at least a decade ago.  Compared to the common cold it carries more medical risk, but over time the colds I have had have added up to greater detriment to quality of life, since until about ten years ago (when I started irrigating my sinuses on a systematic basis) I was not able to prevent them from progressing to coughing and sinus infections.

The landscape with regard to vaccine recommendations has changed greatly, and I am no longer sure where my own vaccination records are.  I last systematically investigated almost 20 years ago when I was thinking of driving down to Guatemala.  I think I got vaccinated for yellow fever, but hit a cost/availability roadblock for rabies, which was ultimately part of the reason I didn't proceed with that trip idea.

I did not lose my hearing through an infection, but I know several other deaf people--including one not much older than me--who were born unable to hear as a result of their mothers contracting rubella in pregnancy.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on December 17, 2019, 07:22:55 PM
For me it's gotta be people with iPhones who hate texting people that don't have iPhones and they see the green bubble

For me, it's the fact the in the US most people don't use WhatsApp or any other similar service instead of SMS. It's an iMessage-like experience, except it works on every smartphone. Luckily, I went to high school and middle school before iMessage took off. And once you're older than that, people stop caring (though, admittedly my college friend group was mostly Computer Science students, and we settled on Slack for communication within the group). Definitely download WhatsApp and give it a shot, and if anyone complains to you about SMS, tell them you have WhatsApp if they want something better. There's other options too like Signal and Telegram, WhatsApp is just the most popular and the one I settled on myself.

Never heard of WhatsApp until now, and even now that I know what it is, I care even less. But knowing that my selection in texting apps has the potential to piss-off Apple users makes me  :bigass:

FWIW, I use Textra. The only reason why I switched from the stock messenger that came with my GS7, was because Textra supports group messages, whereas the stock app did not (maybe it does now, but I've found too much else about Textra to want to switch back).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: ozarkman417 on December 17, 2019, 07:40:45 PM
For me it's gotta be people with iPhones who hate texting people that don't have iPhones and they see the green bubble

For me, it's the fact the in the US most people don't use WhatsApp or any other similar service instead of SMS. It's an iMessage-like experience, except it works on every smartphone. Luckily, I went to high school and middle school before iMessage took off. And once you're older than that, people stop caring (though, admittedly my college friend group was mostly Computer Science students, and we settled on Slack for communication within the group). Definitely download WhatsApp and give it a shot, and if anyone complains to you about SMS, tell them you have WhatsApp if they want something better. There's other options too like Signal and Telegram, WhatsApp is just the most popular and the one I settled on myself.

Never heard of WhatsApp until now, and even now that I know what it is, I care even less. But knowing that my selection in texting apps has the potential to piss-off Apple users makes me  :bigass:

FWIW, I use Textra. The only reason why I switched from the stock messenger that came with my GS7, was because Textra supports group messages, whereas the stock app did not (maybe it does now, but I've found too much else about Textra to want to switch back).
I don't know anyone who uses WhatsApp, and after it got hacked back in May, I don't plan on ever using it. The only mainstream social network myself or any of my friends have is Instagram (owned by Facebook, but so is WhatsApp), which has a messaging system, though it can be glitchy at times.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on December 17, 2019, 09:11:13 PM
All I know about WhatsApp is that we have a client in Kuala Lumpur whose employees used it and now we can't get at their communications to find out what the heck was going on, this due to Malaysian privacy laws (which, as a general matter, I think are a good thing).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: GaryV on December 18, 2019, 08:01:35 AM
The flu shot, however, is required for health care workers ...

And somehow, the fact that I work in IT for an insurance company that happens to be affiliated with a hospital makes me a "health care worker" and I have to get an annual flu shot.  The last flu shot I had before taking this job was for the Swine Flu where they herded everyone in college to the local armory to get it.

This year, they added Tdap to the requirements, unless you had an official record that you were vaccinated for Pertussis (Whooping cough).  I doubt my mother's handwriting in a baby book would be considered official, and my pediatrician must be long dead.  Would county health records even exist from over a half decade ago? So I got the shot.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 18, 2019, 11:18:23 AM
Re:  WhatsApp

Does it allow you to send a text message to multiple people, but change the settings such that replies do not reply-all but instead reply only to the sender?

Because my #1 minor thing that bothers me—and this stands head and shoulders above all others—is when people reply-all to group text messages when they shouldn't.  Some people have told me it's because their phone or their message app doesn't allow them to reply to only a single recipient if it started as a group message.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman on December 18, 2019, 11:38:52 AM
The media describing events as "historic" even before the outcome is known.  People describing anything and everything as "iconic".
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: xcellntbuy on December 18, 2019, 11:47:25 AM
The media describing events as "historic" even before the outcome is known.  People describing anything and everything as "iconic".
...or "unique," when they aren't.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 18, 2019, 12:04:11 PM
The media describing events as "historic" even before the outcome is known.  People describing anything and everything as "iconic".
...or "unique," when they aren't.

Or, the 'first', when often commenters find that it wasn't the first, or not even close to the first.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: GaryV on December 18, 2019, 01:06:50 PM
The media describing events as "historic" even before the outcome is known.  People describing anything and everything as "iconic".
...or "unique," when they aren't.

Or, the 'first', when often commenters find that it wasn't the first, or not even close to the first.

Or carefully redefining the criteria, adding restrictions so it is the "first".
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: hbelkins on December 18, 2019, 01:25:17 PM
While we're speaking about technology...

I don't know how I feel about WhatsApp. I guess I'd have to know more about how it works and how it interacts with your phone number. My phone number and contact information are available to only a select few people. Folks who know me, but don't have my number, can contact me through Facebook Messenger if they are friends with me on FB or have access to my profile. If WhatsApp allows the whole world access to my cell phone number, then forget it.

I'm bothered by the fact that all the messenger services that allowed the use of a computer (Yahoo Messenger and AOL/AIM) have gone away, and that Kik is phone-only. I'm also bugged by the fact that you can't sign out of Facebook Messenger on your phone -- at least I have not found a way to do so short of deleting the app and the reinstalling it when you want or need it.

I'm also bothered by the fact that you can't turn off your phone or text availability while still maintaining data service. The only option I've found is the mute button on the ringer. There needs to be a true "do not disturb" feature whereby callers get a message, "this user is not accepting calls at this time, please leave a voicemail" if they call, or an auto-reply, "this user is not accepting texts at this time, your message will be read when messaging is re-enabled," if they text/SMS.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on December 18, 2019, 02:09:15 PM
Airplane Mode set to "on" with Wi-Fi availability will take care of all cell-network intrusions. If you're using iMessage or any other non-SMS messaging, might as well turn off the ringer and notifications.

Or shut off the phone and open up a laptop.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 18, 2019, 02:17:16 PM
I'm also bothered by the fact that you can't turn off your phone or text availability while still maintaining data service. The only option I've found is the mute button on the ringer. There needs to be a true "do not disturb" feature whereby callers get a message, "this user is not accepting calls at this time, please leave a voicemail" if they call, or an auto-reply, "this user is not accepting texts at this time, your message will be read when messaging is re-enabled," if they text/SMS.

Airplane Mode set to "on" with Wi-Fi availability will take care of all cell-network intrusions.

But that will only work if he has a Wi-Fi network to connect to.  I understood him as wanting to be able to use his data plan while being unavailable for phone calls or text messages.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on December 18, 2019, 03:25:27 PM
I'm also bothered by the fact that you can't turn off your phone or text availability while still maintaining data service. The only option I've found is the mute button on the ringer. There needs to be a true "do not disturb" feature whereby callers get a message, "this user is not accepting calls at this time, please leave a voicemail" if they call, or an auto-reply, "this user is not accepting texts at this time, your message will be read when messaging is re-enabled," if they text/SMS.

Airplane Mode set to "on" with Wi-Fi availability will take care of all cell-network intrusions.

But that will only work if he has a Wi-Fi network to connect to.  I understood him as wanting to be able to use his data plan while being unavailable for phone calls or text messages.

1) Do Not Disturb set for everyone.

or

2) Buy a second phone or portable WiFi device and tether it in Airplane Mode.

or

3) Too bad. The future is to be constantly notified and tracked.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 18, 2019, 03:38:43 PM
I'm also bothered by the fact that you can't turn off your phone or text availability while still maintaining data service. The only option I've found is the mute button on the ringer. There needs to be a true "do not disturb" feature whereby callers get a message, "this user is not accepting calls at this time, please leave a voicemail" if they call, or an auto-reply, "this user is not accepting texts at this time, your message will be read when messaging is re-enabled," if they text/SMS.

Airplane Mode set to "on" with Wi-Fi availability will take care of all cell-network intrusions.

But that will only work if he has a Wi-Fi network to connect to.  I understood him as wanting to be able to use his data plan while being unavailable for phone calls or text messages.

1) Do Not Disturb set for everyone.

or

2) Buy a second phone or portable WiFi device and tether it in Airplane Mode.

or

3) Too bad. The future is to be constantly notified and tracked.

Or get rid of the cellular device outright or carry a tablet when WiFi is desired but cell service isn’t needed?

What I’ve found interesting about the proliferation of cell phones is that everyone expects it to be attached to your his.  God forbid you don’t return a phone call or text within a short window lest your; friends, family or co-workers think something happened to you.  I go off the grid all the time for hikes or camping and occasionally get panic calls/messages when I return to cell service.  The expectation of constant availability is an almost exclusive modern frustration. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on December 18, 2019, 03:39:31 PM
1) Do Not Disturb set for everyone.

I wonder if there's an app that will let you do that with the press of a button (OK, really with the navigation of three sub-menus, but you know what I mean).  If there is, then that might be in his interest to install.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on December 19, 2019, 06:01:35 AM
1) Do Not Disturb set for everyone.

I wonder if there's an app that will let you do that with the press of a button (OK, really with the navigation of three sub-menus, but you know what I mean).  If there is, then that might be in his interest to install.

I'm not entirely sure how you set on Android, but on iPhones, you can set it to either ignore everyone or just your Favorites (one-press contacts/speed dial).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: KEVIN_224 on December 20, 2019, 01:24:48 PM
Naming winter storms

It's not just The Weather Channel doing it. WFSB-TV (CBS) channel 3 of Hartford has been naming them for over 40 years. It goes back to when the Traveler's Insurance Corporation owned the station. They were assisted by the New England Weather Service. THE Blizzard of 1978, as an example, was called Blizzard Larry. Then channel 3 wanted to get all cute all call the Blizzard Of 2013...Nemo. Yup! :(
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: hbelkins on December 20, 2019, 02:15:58 PM
Naming winter storms

I have a hard and fast rule that I will not use their winter storm names in any official communications. I wish other governmental agencies would do the same. I cringe every time I see a DOT warning about Winter Storm (Name).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 20, 2019, 02:26:35 PM
I'm also bothered by the fact that you can't turn off your phone or text availability while still maintaining data service. The only option I've found is the mute button on the ringer. There needs to be a true "do not disturb" feature whereby callers get a message, "this user is not accepting calls at this time, please leave a voicemail" if they call, or an auto-reply, "this user is not accepting texts at this time, your message will be read when messaging is re-enabled," if they text/SMS.

Airplane Mode set to "on" with Wi-Fi availability will take care of all cell-network intrusions.

But that will only work if he has a Wi-Fi network to connect to.  I understood him as wanting to be able to use his data plan while being unavailable for phone calls or text messages.

3) Too bad. The future is to be constantly notified and tracked.

No different than 40 years ago when you had a phone and if you didn't want it to ring you left the phone off the hook or unplugged it from the wall.  While you're not exactly being tracked using a Bell Phone, you had those two options if you didn't want to hear the phone ring.

If anything, the difference today is that people feel that every conceivable option should be available, and blame the manufacturer or network host if those very specific options aren't available.  Most people would just mute the sound from the phone, or simply not immediately write the person back.  If someone demands an immediate answer, then the receiver should take that up with the demanding sender.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on December 31, 2019, 08:30:27 PM
People who insist the new decade begins in 2021, not 2020
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Brandon on December 31, 2019, 08:47:20 PM
People who insist the new decade begins in 2021, not 2020

People who lack any understanding that there was no Year 0, hence it starts in 2021, not 2020.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on December 31, 2019, 08:48:15 PM
People who insist the new decade begins in 2021, not 2020
People who lack any understanding that there was no Year 0, hence it starts in 2021, not 2020.
True indeed, yet I watch for when the 9 changes to 0, as do many other people.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: vdeane on December 31, 2019, 11:21:47 PM
People who insist the new decade begins in 2021, not 2020

People who lack any understanding that there was no Year 0, hence it starts in 2021, not 2020.
Culturally, decades/centuries/millennia are defined by how the number looks, not additive increments since the start of the calendar.  If that means there's a short decade at the beginning, so be it (incidentally, having a calendar that goes from -1 to 1 makes zero (pun intended) mathematical sense whatsoever, so I have no idea why it was done that way).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on January 01, 2020, 05:10:24 AM
People who don't realize there's more than one time zone. This hasn't happened this year, but has happened in the past.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: GaryV on January 01, 2020, 07:46:40 AM
People who insist the new decade begins in 2021, not 2020

People who lack any understanding that there was no Year 0, hence it starts in 2021, not 2020.

Centuries are numbered:  1st, 2nd, ... 19th, 20th, 21st.  Thus they begin on XX01.

Decades are not numbered though.  No one says the 199th, 200th, 201st ... decade.  Decades are named for the years that comprise them:  The 70's, the 80's, the 90's, etc.  Just because we've had no good names for the last 2 decades doesn't change the fact that now we are in the 20's.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on January 01, 2020, 08:57:21 AM
How about New Years Resolutions.

Mine's 320x240.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: crt08 on January 01, 2020, 09:30:59 AM
The stock question "How are you?" or "How's it going" and the constant response of "I'm doin'" or "it's goin'" I know it's a pleasantry but small talk just has never been my thing.

Drivers that at a particular traffic light here where US-27 changes from three to two lanes immediately after, will get in the right most lane seeing full well it ends ahead, just so that they can speed around everyone and merge in when the light turns green. It shouldn't bother me, but the idea of "I'm more important than everyone else" bothers me far more than it should.

Cars that like both of mine unfortunately have been, have the gas fuel cap on the passenger side. Just a terrible design, IMO. Not so much the inconvenience of having to go around to the other side, but that too. But that most cars have them on the driver's side, so going to gas stations you basically have to go against the flow of traffic, so to speak in order to fill up. Many times I've approached an empty pump to fill, and someone who has the cap on the (correct) side of their vehicle will pull in from the other side of the pump just as I'm approaching so I have to reverse and find another.  :-D It seems years ago that the hoses at gas stations were often long enough to reach either side of the car, especially when it was more common for cars to have the cap behind the license plate. But it is not so today at most stations.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: qguy on January 01, 2020, 10:28:28 AM
Cars that like both of mine unfortunately have been, have the gas fuel cap on the passenger side. Just a terrible design, IMO. Not so much the inconvenience of having to go around to the other side, but that too. But that most cars have them on the driver's side, so going to gas stations you basically have to go against the flow of traffic, so to speak in order to fill up. Many times I've approached an empty pump to fill, and someone who has the cap on the (correct) side of their vehicle will pull in from the other side of the pump just as I'm approaching so I have to reverse and find another.  :-D It seems years ago that the hoses at gas stations were often long enough to reach either side of the car, especially when it was more common for cars to have the cap behind the license plate. But it is not so today at most stations.

I currently have two cars, a Ford and a GM. The GM has the fuel filler on the driver's side but the Ford's is on the passenger side. I hate the Ford's configuration.

I don't know why it's not the driver's side for all vehicles. It often causes chaos at gas station, especially smaller ones.

My father had two successive Oldsmobiles in the 1970s that both had fillers behind the plate. I remember thinking at the time that such a configuration was the wave of the future and being shocked to see filler doors on the side again a few years later. Turns out, behind-the-plate filler tubes only work really well with large vehicles that can afford to sacrifice some trunk space.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: wanderer2575 on January 01, 2020, 10:31:02 AM
The stock question "How are you?" or "How's it going" and the constant response of "I'm doin'" or "it's goin'" I know it's a pleasantry but small talk just has never been my thing.

Absolute agreement.

Drivers that at a particular traffic light here where US-27 changes from three to two lanes immediately after, will get in the right most lane seeing full well it ends ahead, just so that they can speed around everyone and merge in when the light turns green. It shouldn't bother me, but the idea of "I'm more important than everyone else" bothers me far more than it should.

OTOH, there is no reason motorists shouldn't use that lane to get more vehicles through the signal.  There is a similar intersection near me where cars are often stacked 20+ deep in the left lane, no way are they all going to get through on the next green light, and the right lane is empty.  I'll get in the right lane, get through the light, and merge into the single lane past the signal.  I don't usually speed around everyone else; I try to keep pace and merge into an open spot.  But every now and then some a-hole is gonna play judge and jury and refuse to let me merge, in which case, yes, I'll speed ahead a bit and merge into a spot farther up.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on January 01, 2020, 12:11:37 PM
Sermons that have over use of the admonition to "listen," "listen to this," "watch this," etc.

If you are listening to it on the radio, at the church, conference, etc. you are by definition listening and watching.  But some  preachers have this "preaching tic" where their message is loaded with these terms.  It can get annoying.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on January 01, 2020, 12:15:02 PM
Cars that like both of mine unfortunately have been, have the gas fuel cap on the passenger side. Just a terrible design, IMO. Not so much the inconvenience of having to go around to the other side, but that too. But that most cars have them on the driver's side, so going to gas stations you basically have to go against the flow of traffic, so to speak in order to fill up. Many times I've approached an empty pump to fill, and someone who has the cap on the (correct) side of their vehicle will pull in from the other side of the pump just as I'm approaching so I have to reverse and find another.  :-D It seems years ago that the hoses at gas stations were often long enough to reach either side of the car, especially when it was more common for cars to have the cap behind the license plate. But it is not so today at most stations.
Interesting.

My 2016 Buick LaCrosse I think is the first car I have had where the filler cap is on the passenger side.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: wanderer2575 on January 01, 2020, 01:04:37 PM
Shameless butchering of older television shows broadcast in syndication.

I don't know why, because it always makes my blood boil, but I am right now watching the Twilight Zone marathon on the SyFy channel.  Easily a third of every episode is chopped out, plus extra commercial breaks have been added in the middle of scenes.  All the cable channels do it, even MeTV (which is specifically dedicated to rebroadcasting older shows), but SyFy has to be the worst offender.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: GaryV on January 01, 2020, 01:21:32 PM
Turns out, behind-the-plate filler tubes only work really well with large vehicles that can afford to sacrifice some trunk space.

And don't work well at all in rear end collisions.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 01:34:10 PM
The sound of phone calls on a cell phone.  For some reason the noise always surprises me no matter how soft of a ring tone I use.  It gets especially grating at night given I’m an on call emergency official.  Newer phones have a weaker vibration feature that I can’t feel and/or hear sometimes. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on January 01, 2020, 09:03:51 PM
It’s funny, my mom’s two Volvos have the fuel filler doors on the passenger side and she prefers it precisely because most cars have it on the driver's side. A lot of people aren’t willing to reverse up to the pump or drive in against traffic and so will wait on line, which she says means she gets to the pumps faster because people are waiting for the other pumps she isn’t as likely to use.

One of my cars has the fuel filler door on the passenger side and I’ve noticed the same phenomenon, except I don’t have to put gas in it very often so I don’t experience it as often as my mom does.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 01, 2020, 09:07:37 PM
People who say "real quick"
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: vdeane on January 01, 2020, 09:25:16 PM
It’s funny, my mom’s two Volvos have the fuel filler doors on the passenger side and she prefers it precisely because most cars have it on the driver's side. A lot of people aren’t willing to reverse up to the pump or drive in against traffic and so will wait on line, which she says means she gets to the pumps faster because people are waiting for the other pumps she isn’t as likely to use.

One of my cars has the fuel filler door on the passenger side and I’ve noticed the same phenomenon, except I don’t have to put gas in it very often so I don’t experience it as often as my mom does.
It probably depends on how traffic enters a gas station.  If it's configured like a turnpike service area or one entrance is dominant and traffic is all coming to the pumps from the same direction, having a car with the gas on the "wrong" side can be an advantage.  If it's configured in a way where a roughly equal amount of traffic is coming from both sides, it can lead to the situation described earlier (heck, I've experienced it too, even though my car gets gas on the "correct" side!).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 09:51:08 PM
It seems like the majority of cars I’ve owned had the fuel cap on the passenger side.  Personally I prefer it that way since I have more room to get out of the car at the pump and don’t have to worry about smashing my door.  The thing that gets me is the little fuel cap release lever on Asian cars.  I suppose it helps prevent someone from stealing your gas but I also forget to hit the lever about 20% of the time I fill up. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on January 02, 2020, 12:00:43 AM
It seems like the majority of cars I’ve owned had the fuel cap on the passenger side.  Personally I prefer it that way since I have more room to get out of the car at the pump and don’t have to worry about smashing my door.

^ This. I used to loathe having the filler cap on the passenger side, but I've learned to like it for this reason. Additionally, there's something I find awkward with the ones that are on the driver side and thus having the filler door open right in front of me/blocking me. It's far from hard to reach around...more just a psychological thing of having something in my direct path while trying to maneuver the nozzle.

What annoys me more is when the manufacturer moves it for different generations of the same vehicle. For instance, my 2018 Ford Escape has it on the passenger side. The 2012 body style and now the 2020 body style have it on the driver side.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: GenExpwy on January 02, 2020, 02:38:11 AM
It’s funny, my mom’s two Volvos have the fuel filler doors on the passenger side and she prefers it precisely because most cars have it on the driver's side. A lot of people aren’t willing to reverse up to the pump or drive in against traffic and so will wait on line, which she says means she gets to the pumps faster because people are waiting for the other pumps she isn’t as likely to use.

One of my cars has the fuel filler door on the passenger side and I’ve noticed the same phenomenon, except I don’t have to put gas in it very often so I don’t experience it as often as my mom does.
It probably depends on how traffic enters a gas station.  If it's configured like a turnpike service area or one entrance is dominant and traffic is all coming to the pumps from the same direction, having a car with the gas on the "wrong" side can be an advantage.  If it's configured in a way where a roughly equal amount of traffic is coming from both sides, it can lead to the situation described earlier (heck, I've experienced it too, even though my car gets gas on the "correct" side!).

At the BJ’s Wholesale Clubs I go to,the gas area is strictly one-way, and the pumps advertise extra-long hoses to reach to the far side. A key to that working well is that the hose is connected to the nozzle with a swivel coupling, which gives you a critical extra foot or so.


My father had two successive Oldsmobiles in the 1970s that both had fillers behind the plate. I remember thinking at the time that such a configuration was the wave of the future and being shocked to see filler doors on the side again a few years later. Turns out, behind-the-plate filler tubes only work really well with large vehicles that can afford to sacrifice some trunk space.

A few years ago I was watching a classic-car auction on TV, when some late-’50s tail-fin-era car came up. They showed that the filler cap was hidden inside the tail-fin, the end of which swung to the side.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on January 02, 2020, 05:16:23 AM
People who say "real quick"
Retail workers on the floor often seem unexcited to be there since I hear them ask me "are/did you find(ing) everything OK?"  The way the question is asked annoys me to no end, but sometimes (if the worker gets it) I'll slip in a sarcastic response about some "problem in Aisle 6".

Also ending sentences with "today".
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 02, 2020, 06:17:21 AM
People who say "real quick"
Retail workers on the floor often seem unexcited to be there since I hear them ask me "are/did you find(ing) everything OK?"  The way the question is asked annoys me to no end, but sometimes (if the worker gets it) I'll slip in a sarcastic response about some "problem in Aisle 6".

Also ending sentences with "today".

Minor things that bother employees: When they're simply trying to do what management requires them to do, and customers give them sarcastic responses.  They simply want to get thru their day just like anyone else.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman on January 02, 2020, 09:40:46 AM
Turns out, behind-the-plate filler tubes only work really well with large vehicles that can afford to sacrifice some trunk space.

And don't work well at all in rear end collisions.


Which is why they are no longer used on newer vehicles.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: J N Winkler on January 02, 2020, 12:11:49 PM
Aside from my first car, a 1978 Chevy Impala that had the fuel filler behind the license plate, I don't think I have ever owned a car that didn't have the gas cap on the driver's side.  These are my refueling-related minor annoyances:

*  Gas caps that are tethered to the filler neck with no convenient resting place (the 2005 Camry has a holder clip inside the fuel filler door, which does not work well; the 2009 Fit just allows the cap to dangle below the door, where it will gall the paint if there is any wind)

*  Fuel pumps (in my experience, nearly all of them) that won't ask you if you want a receipt before they unlock for dispensing, so that once you finish fueling and put the nozzle back on the rack, you have to leave your tank open to the atmosphere until the "Receipt?  Yes/No" prompt displays

*  Fuel pumps with displays that are hard to read under conditions of extreme glare (I typically take cellphone photos of the readouts immediately after I finish pumping gas--I've encountered several pumps that wouldn't take legible pictures no matter what)

*  Pump islands that are not kept well-stocked with windshield-washing liquid and squeegees in good condition, when I am on a summer roadtrip that results in a heavy accumulation of bug splatter on my windshield

When a gas station is busy, I try to move the car after refueling and before I attend to any other business, even if this means multiple long walks carrying a squeegee to clean the windshield once I have reversed into a parking space adjacent to the C-store.  Depending on the apron layout, I often seek out a space next to the trash enclosure, to maximize my chances of being left undisturbed.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 02, 2020, 12:26:17 PM
The lack of resting place for the fuel cap is a problem I have with my current Impreza.  I found a place I can kind of wedge it gently so it isn’t flying all over and scratching the paint.  My Challenger has a really handy rest of the fuel cap tether that keeps it in place easily, my Camaro had the same thing. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: GaryV on January 02, 2020, 12:38:42 PM
Fuel pumps (in my experience, nearly all of them) that won't ask you if you want a receipt before they unlock for dispensing, so that once you finish fueling and put the nozzle back on the rack, you have to leave your tank open to the atmosphere until the "Receipt?  Yes/No" prompt displays

Is there some reason you need to complete the transaction on the pump before you fasten the gas cap?

In general, for gas pumps, ATMs, ...   Showing a "Processing ..." for the sole purpose of slowing you down so you can read the ad that is up on the screen.

Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman on January 02, 2020, 12:53:02 PM
In general, for gas pumps, ATMs, ...   Showing a "Processing ..." for the sole purpose of slowing you down so you can read the ad that is up on the screen.

Most gas pumps in our area now have "Gas TV", which is a series of short videos of infomercials and/or dumb trivia.  Very annoying.  Plus, I'm not sure that distracting someone who is pumping gas with this nonsense is a good idea.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on January 02, 2020, 01:05:02 PM
In general, for gas pumps, ATMs, ...   Showing a "Processing ..." for the sole purpose of slowing you down so you can read the ad that is up on the screen.

Most gas pumps in our area now have "Gas TV", which is a series of short videos of infomercials and/or dumb trivia.  Very annoying.  Plus, I'm not sure that distracting someone who is pumping gas with this nonsense is a good idea.
The local Speedway had an annoying version of it that you couldn't understand.  Then, they replaced their pumps with a louder version that was more annoying, especially because all of the pumps are slightly out of sync (think really bad reverb or echo).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on January 02, 2020, 01:07:46 PM
In general, for gas pumps, ATMs, ...   Showing a "Processing ..." for the sole purpose of slowing you down so you can read the ad that is up on the screen.

Most gas pumps in our area now have "Gas TV", which is a series of short videos of infomercials and/or dumb trivia.  Very annoying.  Plus, I'm not sure that distracting someone who is pumping gas with this nonsense is a good idea.

I hate the newer pumps in my area that include those (you found one of my only gripes about Kwik Trip stations). I now always look for the 'Mute' button before taking the nozzle out of the pump.

The lack of resting place for the fuel cap is a problem I have with my current Impreza.  I found a place I can kind of wedge it gently so it isn’t flying all over and scratching the paint.  My Challenger has a really handy rest of the fuel cap tether that keeps it in place easily, my Camaro had the same thing. 

I haven't had to deal with that issue for almost 10 years now, but I remember the annoyance. My last car and our current two cars have capless fuel fillers.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on January 02, 2020, 01:18:35 PM
*  Fuel pumps (in my experience, nearly all of them) that won't ask you if you want a receipt before they unlock for dispensing, so that once you finish fueling and put the nozzle back on the rack, you have to leave your tank open to the atmosphere until the "Receipt?  Yes/No" prompt displays
I don't mind leaving it open for another half minute or so, but you do need to be quick to hit 'yes' before the option goes away.

What is irritating is when no receipt is delivered, so you have to go into the store and compete with others in line to be able to get a receipt in a timely fashion.

*  Fuel pumps with displays that are hard to read under conditions of extreme glare (I typically take cellphone photos of the readouts immediately after I finish pumping gas--I've encountered several pumps that wouldn't take legible pictures no matter what)
That, and ATMs that are exposed to extreme glare conditions at times.

*  Pump islands that are not kept well-stocked with windshield-washing liquid and squeegees in good condition, when I am on a summer roadtrip that results in a heavy accumulation of bug splatter on my windshield
A major fuel station gripe. 

I always do a full fillup, and at any station anywhere, I expect to be able to clean my windows with their items, and at least the windshield needs it every time.  You can't do that when 1) there is no windshield-washing liquid, or 2) the squeegee does not track well due to wear, 3) or the sponge is worn out, or 4) the sponge stinks bad enough to provoke a gag reflex.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: vdeane on January 02, 2020, 02:15:17 PM
*  Pump islands that are not kept well-stocked with windshield-washing liquid and squeegees in good condition, when I am on a summer roadtrip that results in a heavy accumulation of bug splatter on my windshield
A major fuel station gripe. 

I always do a full fillup, and at any station anywhere, I expect to be able to clean my windows with their items, and at least the windshield needs it every time.  You can't do that when 1) there is no windshield-washing liquid, or 2) the squeegee does not track well due to wear, 3) or the sponge is worn out, or 4) the sponge stinks bad enough to provoke a gag reflex.
Same.  I wouldn't say that I need to clean the windshield every time, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's more often than not, especially on a roadtrip.  Another annoyance with them would be stations that just mix soap and water instead of using real windshield washer fluid.  I've noticed that how well maintained the windshield washing items are tends to be correlated with how nice of a convenience store that gas station has - if it has a nice store, it probably has decent washer fluid and squeegee, but if it's grungy, the squeegee probably hasn't been replaced in ages and won't work.

Locally, Stewarts, Fastrac, Delta Sonic, and Tops are my preferred gas stations around upstate NY.  I think my Dad thinks I'm crazy for being particular, but your random Mobile or Speedway probably won't have anything good for windshield cleaning.  Meanwhile, Dad will just go to the BJs in Henrietta because they're the cheapest location in the area.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: J N Winkler on January 02, 2020, 02:19:46 PM
Is there some reason you need to complete the transaction on the pump before you fasten the gas cap?

As Beltway notes, the "Receipt?  Yes/No" prompt disappears pretty quickly, and I generally find it is displayed immediately after I put the nozzle back in the holder (I suspect there is a sensor that signals the nozzle has been put back).  Waiting for the prompt with the tank uncapped is thus the only foolproof way not to miss it, even though I would rather put the cap back on right after I park the nozzle.  This is why I would prefer to be asked about the receipt before I start dispensing gas.

What is irritating is when no receipt is delivered, so you have to go into the store and compete with others in line to be able to get a receipt in a timely fashion.

That is a total nonstarter for me--once I go in, I have to think in terms of specifying the pump by number (not always easy to find), and sometimes the transaction they fish up is not the one I just completed.  It might be different if I used receipts to document fuel purchases for direct cash reimbursement, but the cellphone photo of the pump readouts at least ensures I have a timestamped record no matter what.

I always do a full fillup, and at any station anywhere, I expect to be able to clean my windows with their items, and at least the windshield needs it every time.  You can't do that when 1) there is no windshield-washing liquid, or 2) the squeegee does not track well due to wear, 3) or the sponge is worn out, or 4) the sponge stinks bad enough to provoke a gag reflex.

I totally agree.  I haven't encountered stinky sponges myself, but I have found a few that were so desiccated and shrunken I would be rubbing the frame against my windshield, and often the perforated fabric cover is so badly torn it can no longer provide effective mechanical scrubbing action.

In line with Vdeane's experience, from time to time I encounter stations where the sponge baths are kept well-stocked with liquid, but it is almost pure plain water instead of detergent.  The cleaning power is significantly less.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Beltway on January 02, 2020, 02:30:37 PM
What is irritating is when no receipt is delivered, so you have to go into the store and compete with others in line to be able to get a receipt in a timely fashion.
That is a total nonstarter for me--once I go in, I have to think in terms of specifying the pump by number (not always easy to find), and sometimes the transaction they fish up is not the one I just completed.  It might be different if I used receipts to document fuel purchases for direct cash reimbursement, but the cellphone photo of the pump readouts at least ensures I have a timestamped record no matter what.
I have a dedicated credit card for fuel purchases and items such as car washes, oil and other minor car items.  I keep the receipts in an envelope and then balance them with the monthly statement.

So having a receipt is important for me.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: crt08 on January 02, 2020, 02:39:27 PM
Aside from my first car, a 1978 Chevy Impala that had the fuel filler behind the license plate, I don't think I have ever owned a car that didn't have the gas cap on the driver's side.  These are my refueling-related minor annoyances:

*  Gas caps that are tethered to the filler neck with no convenient resting place (the 2005 Camry has a holder clip inside the fuel filler door, which does not work well; the 2009 Fit just allows the cap to dangle below the door, where it will gall the paint if there is any wind)

*  Fuel pumps with displays that are hard to read under conditions of extreme glare (I typically take cellphone photos of the readouts immediately after I finish pumping gas--I've encountered several pumps that wouldn't take legible pictures no matter what)

My previous car had a hanger that worked pretty well for the gas cap, the current one is capless.

I haven't had so much an issue with the glare, but one Shell station here had an issue with some of its pump displays being completely illegible, looked like snow on a TV. So it was impossible to make any selections and start pumping without going inside to tell the attendant first. I just made a mental note of the "bad" pumps and started avoiding them at that station. I think they've gotten new pumps since then anyway, IIRC.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on January 02, 2020, 04:07:57 PM
having a calendar that goes from -1 to 1 makes zero (pun intended) mathematical sense whatsoever, so I have no idea why it was done that way

Because the culture that developed the BC/AD system of years had no mathematical concept of the number zero.

once I go in, I have to think in terms of specifying the pump by number (not always easy to find), and sometimes the transaction they fish up is not the one I just completed. 

This is why the first thing I do after starting to pump gas is to identify the pump number I'm using.  That way, if I have to go inside, I already know what it is instead of getting frustrated trying to find the number at the last second.

*  Fuel pumps with displays that are hard to read under conditions of extreme glare (I typically take cellphone photos of the readouts immediately after I finish pumping gas--I've encountered several pumps that wouldn't take legible pictures no matter what)

At this gas station (https://goo.gl/maps/iaxkjHL26N9QYBQC6) in Naturita (CO), the pumps have no awning or roof.  One sunny summer day, I honestly thought the pump display wasn't working at all.  I went inside and had the clerk come outside with me to show here it wasn't working, and she informed me it was just the bright sun glare.  Fortunately, she knew by memory what steps to take in order for the pump to take my card and dispense gasoline.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 02, 2020, 07:34:59 PM
People who say "real quick"
Retail workers on the floor often seem unexcited to be there since I hear them ask me "are/did you find(ing) everything OK?"  The way the question is asked annoys me to no end, but sometimes (if the worker gets it) I'll slip in a sarcastic response about some "problem in Aisle 6".


Genius

and if you don't find it "reach out to me"  :P
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: dlsterner on January 02, 2020, 11:19:47 PM

As Beltway notes, the "Receipt?  Yes/No" prompt disappears pretty quickly, and I generally find it is displayed immediately after I put the nozzle back in the holder (I suspect there is a sensor that signals the nozzle has been put back).  Waiting for the prompt with the tank uncapped is thus the only foolproof way not to miss it, even though I would rather put the cap back on right after I park the nozzle.  This is why I would prefer to be asked about the receipt before I start dispensing gas.


Indeed there is a sensor in the metal flap in the nozzle holder.  I once was mindlessly drumming my fingers on the pump, touched that flap, and noticed that my transaction had been terminated.  Had to start a second transaction to continue filling up.  And my OCD kicks in and I'm bothered by having two credit card slips for a single fill-up.  (Yes I know I can just add them together  :pan:  but OCD can be a powerful thing   :-D  )
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MNHighwayMan on January 02, 2020, 11:28:47 PM
Retail workers on the floor often seem unexcited to be there since I hear them ask me "are/did you find(ing) everything OK?"  The way the question is asked annoys me to no end, but sometimes (if the worker gets it) I'll slip in a sarcastic response about some "problem in Aisle 6".
Minor things that bother employees: When they're simply trying to do what management requires them to do, and customers give them sarcastic responses.  They simply want to get thru their day just like anyone else.

Yeah, seriously. Working in retail already sucks enough without customers making it worse.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 02, 2020, 11:40:00 PM
Retail workers on the floor often seem unexcited to be there since I hear them ask me "are/did you find(ing) everything OK?"  The way the question is asked annoys me to no end, but sometimes (if the worker gets it) I'll slip in a sarcastic response about some "problem in Aisle 6".
Minor things that bother employees: When they're simply trying to do what management requires them to do, and customers give them sarcastic responses.  They simply want to get thru their day just like anyone else.

Yeah, seriously. Working in retail already sucks enough without customers making it worse.

Made worse when they have to call the customer a "guest"
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on January 02, 2020, 11:59:42 PM
Retail workers on the floor often seem unexcited to be there since I hear them ask me "are/did you find(ing) everything OK?"  The way the question is asked annoys me to no end, but sometimes (if the worker gets it) I'll slip in a sarcastic response about some "problem in Aisle 6".
Minor things that bother employees: When they're simply trying to do what management requires them to do, and customers give them sarcastic responses.  They simply want to get thru their day just like anyone else.

Yeah, seriously. Working in retail already sucks enough without customers making it worse.

Apparently the art of being able to read your customer has become lost. Vocal and facial clues can tell you when you can skip the canned sales pitches. When I used to run a cash register in a major chain, I could tell those who just wanted to get the hell out of the store vs those I might be able to hawk a new credit card account to. Or when I was on the floor - who was stumped looking for something specific vs someone who just wanted to be left alone.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2020, 12:08:57 AM
Retail workers on the floor often seem unexcited to be there since I hear them ask me "are/did you find(ing) everything OK?"  The way the question is asked annoys me to no end, but sometimes (if the worker gets it) I'll slip in a sarcastic response about some "problem in Aisle 6".
Minor things that bother employees: When they're simply trying to do what management requires them to do, and customers give them sarcastic responses.  They simply want to get thru their day just like anyone else.

Yeah, seriously. Working in retail already sucks enough without customers making it worse.

Apparently the art of being able to read your customer has become lost. Vocal and facial clues can tell you when you can skip the canned sales pitches. When I used to run a cash register in a major chain, I could tell those who just wanted to get the hell out of the store vs those I might be able to hawk a new credit card account to. Or when I was on the floor - who was stumped looking for something specific vs someone who just wanted to be left alone.

Don’t most companies still have quotas for credit card applications and warranty sales?  I can’t recall the last time I ran into a commissioned sales person at a retail store. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on January 03, 2020, 12:28:54 AM
TBH - Retail employees - especially at big box stores - have to follow procedures laid out by their bosses - this includes trying to make the sale to loitering customers, plugging store cards, pushing rewards programs, etc - even the cash registers are programmed to not let transactions finish without these steps as prerequisites.  So yeah that can annoy both employees and some customers.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 12:52:55 AM
Okay here's one, those annoying people who work for Spectrum who bother you in Walmart.  I pretty much tell them to f*ck off now.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on January 03, 2020, 01:04:02 AM
Retail workers on the floor often seem unexcited to be there since I hear them ask me "are/did you find(ing) everything OK?"  The way the question is asked annoys me to no end, but sometimes (if the worker gets it) I'll slip in a sarcastic response about some "problem in Aisle 6".
Minor things that bother employees: When they're simply trying to do what management requires them to do, and customers give them sarcastic responses.  They simply want to get thru their day just like anyone else.
Yeah, seriously. Working in retail already sucks enough without customers making it worse.
Apparently the art of being able to read your customer has become lost. Vocal and facial clues can tell you when you can skip the canned sales pitches. When I used to run a cash register in a major chain, I could tell those who just wanted to get the hell out of the store vs those I might be able to hawk a new credit card account to. Or when I was on the floor - who was stumped looking for something specific vs someone who just wanted to be left alone.
Don’t most companies still have quotas for credit card applications and warranty sales?  I can’t recall the last time I ran into a commissioned sales person at a retail store.

Can't speak for all of them, but we didn't have quotas. We had a whopping $1 incentive for every new account that was opened.

TBH - Retail employees - especially at big box stores - have to follow procedures laid out by their bosses - this includes trying to make the sale to loitering customers, plugging store cards, pushing rewards programs, etc - even the cash registers are programmed to not let transactions finish without these steps as prerequisites.  So yeah that can annoy both employees and some customers.

What they told us to do and what we actually did are two different things. Again, I can't speak for all the boxes, but we were held accountable for the customer experience, not how many accounts are opened. You do reach a saturation point, especially if you get a lot of repeat customers (what the big box is really targeting). Yes, there were programmed steps in the registers, but they are easily bypassed. There's still a lot of discretion left to the employee. At certain times, we were supposed to track ZIP codes. That prompt was easily bypassed by hitting 'Enter'...which would represent someone who declined to offer their information. If there was a long line forming, the enter button tended to get hit more often than not. More often, this task is pushed at the self-service credit terminal, virtually eliminating the cashier from the task.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: GaryV on January 03, 2020, 08:03:36 AM
Another one from yesterday:  People who stop, on both sides of a 4-lane road, for a school bus when the signal lights are NOT flashing.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on January 03, 2020, 09:41:56 AM
Retail workers on the floor often seem unexcited to be there since I hear them ask me "are/did you find(ing) everything OK?"  The way the question is asked annoys me to no end, but sometimes (if the worker gets it) I'll slip in a sarcastic response about some "problem in Aisle 6".
Minor things that bother employees: When they're simply trying to do what management requires them to do, and customers give them sarcastic responses.  They simply want to get thru their day just like anyone else.
Yeah, seriously. Working in retail already sucks enough without customers making it worse.
Apparently the art of being able to read your customer has become lost. Vocal and facial clues can tell you when you can skip the canned sales pitches. When I used to run a cash register in a major chain, I could tell those who just wanted to get the hell out of the store vs those I might be able to hawk a new credit card account to. Or when I was on the floor - who was stumped looking for something specific vs someone who just wanted to be left alone.
Don’t most companies still have quotas for credit card applications and warranty sales?  I can’t recall the last time I ran into a commissioned sales person at a retail store.

Can't speak for all of them, but we didn't have quotas. We had a whopping $1 incentive for every new account that was opened.

TBH - Retail employees - especially at big box stores - have to follow procedures laid out by their bosses - this includes trying to make the sale to loitering customers, plugging store cards, pushing rewards programs, etc - even the cash registers are programmed to not let transactions finish without these steps as prerequisites.  So yeah that can annoy both employees and some customers.

What they told us to do and what we actually did are two different things. Again, I can't speak for all the boxes, but we were held accountable for the customer experience, not how many accounts are opened. You do reach a saturation point, especially if you get a lot of repeat customers (what the big box is really targeting). Yes, there were programmed steps in the registers, but they are easily bypassed. There's still a lot of discretion left to the employee. At certain times, we were supposed to track ZIP codes. That prompt was easily bypassed by hitting 'Enter'...which would represent someone who declined to offer their information. If there was a long line forming, the enter button tended to get hit more often than not. More often, this task is pushed at the self-service credit terminal, virtually eliminating the cashier from the task.
I'll give you that - you're doing your job and it's good that in your environment you're given the ability to flex.  I do my best nowadays to take it in stride and work with it as I don't frequent big box stores (I have no reason to do so since I have the stuff I need *cough* I mean want 😉

The moral to the story is YMMV in every aspect of any business.  there are some out there that insist on procedure following and won't let you by without completing the sale - they're rare though, and mainly self-service kiosks (as you said) and the web would be the place.  Same can be said for phone support companies who read from a script.  We're on autopilot most of the time. 

Sometimes I just have to tell myself "OK boomer" and move on. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: renegade on January 03, 2020, 04:19:26 PM
Okay here's one, those annoying people who work for Spectrum who bother you in Walmart.  I pretty much tell them to f*ck off now.
Yeah, with me it’s DirecTV in Sam’s Club.  I always tell them if they can beat “free” then they can have my business
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on January 03, 2020, 04:33:48 PM
Around here it's Cox.  My reply to salesmen both in person and on the phone:  "I work for a company that contracts for Cox so, if I ever wanted to change my service level, I could key the work order in ICOMS myself."

That catches them off guard!
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on January 03, 2020, 04:35:52 PM
Okay here's one, those annoying people who work for Spectrum who bother you in Walmart.  I pretty much tell them to f*ck off now.

Them, and I'd also add the aggressive replacement window/siding/bathroom remodel folks at the mall kiosks. Whenever we do finally buy a house, I'm still going to tell them we rent.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on January 03, 2020, 04:44:40 PM
Toyota's "Jan"
Chevy's "Real people, not actors" host
All Lincoln commercials that feature Matthew McConaughey
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman on January 03, 2020, 04:51:43 PM
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Apparently the art of being able to read your customer has become lost. Vocal and facial clues can tell you when you can skip the canned sales pitches. When I used to run a cash register in a major chain, I could tell those who just wanted to get the hell out of the store vs those I might be able to hawk a new credit card account to. Or when I was on the floor - who was stumped looking for something specific vs someone who just wanted to be left alone.

Back in the days of Radio Shack, there was one store near me that I used to patronize frequently for minor parts, connectors, cables and such.  I always knew exactly what I needed and exactly where to find it.  The manager picked up on this pretty quickly and would skip the "May I help you?" bit when he'd see me enter the store.  So one day, I walk in and there's a new kid at the register.  He starts in on the "May I help you find something?" routine just as the manager walks in from the back.  The manager sees me, and then tells the kid "Save it.  This guy probably knows the place better than you do."
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman on January 03, 2020, 05:02:44 PM
Toyota's "Jan"
Chevy's "Real people, not actors" host
All Lincoln commercials that feature Matthew McConaughey

The GMC "Hey Hey Goodbye" ad about the magical tailgate that apparently can do everything but cook you breakfast.  Shown ad-nauseum (pun intended) during every NFL playoff game last season.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on January 03, 2020, 05:04:45 PM
Whenever we do finally buy a house, I'm still going to tell them we rent.

When I was growing up, we lived in a parsonage (my dad was a pastor).  Those were fun sales call conversations:

—  Hello, do you own your home?
—  No.
—  Oh, so you rent, then.
—  No.
—  Ummm................ Uhhhh.........
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on January 03, 2020, 05:05:40 PM
Chevy's "Real people, not actors" host

Aren't actors real people?

I just notice the other day, the commercial was captioned "real Chevrolet employees, not actors".  Oh, like that's any better??
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 05:08:32 PM
Is there some reason you need to complete the transaction on the pump before you fasten the gas cap?


What is irritating is when no receipt is delivered, so you have to go into the store and compete with others in line to be able to get a receipt in a timely fashion.

That is a total nonstarter for me--once I go in, I have to think in terms of specifying the pump by number (not always easy to find), and sometimes the transaction they fish up is not the one I just completed.  It might be different if I used receipts to document fuel purchases for direct cash reimbursement, but the cellphone photo of the pump readouts at least ensures I have a timestamped record no matter what.

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Toyota's "Jan"

As much as I hate Flo she's at least a character.  What is "Jan".  Does she sell? Or is she a receptionist who just oversteps?  She has no particular charisma or anything.

Receipts have to be manually refilled.  But someone has to actually do it and almost every cashier is not going to bother unless they have to. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2020, 05:10:13 PM
Chevy's "Real people, not actors" host

Aren't actors real people?

I just notice the other day, the commercial was captioned "real Chevrolet employees, not actors".  Oh, like that's any better??

I suspect Lizard People or Androids given the lack of human behavior demonstrated in the commercials.  Either way I’d be more likely to listen of the caption said “real Lizard People” or “real Androids.”
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 05:11:04 PM
Okay here's one, those annoying people who work for Spectrum who bother you in Walmart.  I pretty much tell them to f*ck off now.
Yeah, with me it’s DirecTV in Sam’s Club.  I always tell them if they can beat “free” then they can have my business

I told the guy we don't sign contracts and he said it wasn't a contract it was an agreement. Okay whatever.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: roadman on January 03, 2020, 05:13:15 PM
Chevy's "Real people, not actors" host

Aren't actors real people?

I just notice the other day, the commercial was captioned "real Chevrolet employees, not actors".  Oh, like that's any better??

I suspect Lizard People or Androids given the lack of human behavior demonstrated in the commercials.  Either way I’d be more likely to listen of the caption said “real Lizard People” or “real Androids.”

Or real Small Furry People from Alpha Centuari.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on January 03, 2020, 05:17:01 PM
I told the guy we don't sign contracts and he said it wasn't a contract it was an agreement. Okay whatever.

One of my best friends recently had an argument with a Cox sales call rep.  He told the rep he didn't want a sales call.  The rep said it's not a sales call, but that he just wanted to make sure my friend's service level was meeting his current needs and if he might want to change his level of service to better suit his needs.  "So it is a sales call, then."  "No, it's not a sales call."  They went back and forth for a while.  I don't remember if the rep ever admitted to it being a sales call or not.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2020, 05:27:47 PM
Chevy's "Real people, not actors" host

Aren't actors real people?

I just notice the other day, the commercial was captioned "real Chevrolet employees, not actors".  Oh, like that's any better??

I suspect Lizard People or Androids given the lack of human behavior demonstrated in the commercials.  Either way I’d be more likely to listen of the caption said “real Lizard People” or “real Androids.”

Or real Small Furry People from Alpha Centuari.

Now that would be impressive if GM had a stake in the domestic market share of the Small Furry Kingdom of Alpha Centuari.  I suspect that least there small sedans would still be appreciated over the swath of vanilla CUVs being pushed on Earth in the U.S. Market.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 05:29:06 PM
RBF or it's lesser component Resting B*tch Voice RBV. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on January 03, 2020, 05:53:12 PM
I told the guy we don't sign contracts and he said it wasn't a contract it was an agreement. Okay whatever.

One of my best friends recently had an argument with a Cox sales call rep.  He told the rep he didn't want a sales call.  The rep said it's not a sales call, but that he just wanted to make sure my friend's service level was meeting his current needs and if he might want to change his level of service to better suit his needs.  "So it is a sales call, then."  "No, it's not a sales call."  They went back and forth for a while.  I don't remember if the rep ever admitted to it being a sales call or not.
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Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on January 03, 2020, 08:08:49 PM
Whenever we do finally buy a house, I'm still going to tell them we rent.

When I was growing up, we lived in a parsonage (my dad was a pastor).  Those were fun sales call conversations:

—  Hello, do you own your home?
—  No.
—  Oh, so you rent, then.
—  No.
—  Ummm................ Uhhhh.........

When I was in college, we got a call (I answered) asking to speak to "the man of the house." I figured it was a sales call, so I said, "Which one? There are four of us." As I expected, the caller didn’t realize it was a college apartment and assumed we were homosexuals (we were not)—there was a LONG silence and then the caller hung up. I should have answered in a high-pitched voice just to play to stereotypes.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Brian556 on January 03, 2020, 11:58:37 PM
Utensils with flat handles. Unfortunately, the vast majority of them are this way, and I cannot stand it. They are very uncomfortable to use. They forks are the worst because they dig into your hand when you use them to cut meat. The ones with rounded handles are so much better
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Scott5114 on January 04, 2020, 04:03:55 AM
Okay here's one, those annoying people who work for Spectrum who bother you in Walmart.  I pretty much tell them to f*ck off now.
Yeah, with me it’s DirecTV in Sam’s Club.  I always tell them if they can beat “free” then they can have my business

I told the guy we don't sign contracts and he said it wasn't a contract it was an agreement. Okay whatever.

Tell them that you agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 04, 2020, 04:05:29 AM
Okay here's one, those annoying people who work for Spectrum who bother you in Walmart.  I pretty much tell them to f*ck off now.
Yeah, with me it’s DirecTV in Sam’s Club.  I always tell them if they can beat “free” then they can have my business

I told the guy we don't sign contracts and he said it wasn't a contract it was an agreement. Okay whatever.

Tell them that you agree to disagree.

I was with my wife at that point she wanted me to keep walking
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: GaryV on January 04, 2020, 06:54:24 AM
A while back there were a lot of phone sales calls to change your phone service.  My sister in law told one caller, "I'm sorry, we don't have a phone."  Reply: "Sorry for bothering you."  Hang up.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: crt08 on January 04, 2020, 12:14:07 PM
Flippers that buy houses fairly cheap, do nothing more than paint and put down some new carpet (and sometimes less) and then put back on market for ridiculous amounts more than they paid. Um, I know how to find out what you paid and I can paint myself for a lot cheaper, thanks.

Even worse is when they buy a house that was already pretty nice but actually make it worse when they go to "renovate" it.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 04, 2020, 12:36:41 PM
Flippers that buy houses fairly cheap, do nothing more than paint and put down some new carpet (and sometimes less) and then put back on market for ridiculous amounts more than they paid. Um, I know how to find out what you paid and I can paint myself for a lot cheaper, thanks.

Even worse is when they buy a house that was already pretty nice but actually make it worse when they go to "renovate" it.

All those people too who talk about house flipping like it's so easy to do.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 04, 2020, 12:36:50 PM
Flippers that buy houses fairly cheap, do nothing more than paint and put down some new carpet (and sometimes less) and then put back on market for ridiculous amounts more than they paid. Um, I know how to find out what you paid and I can paint myself for a lot cheaper, thanks.

Even worse is when they buy a house that was already pretty nice but actually make it worse when they go to "renovate" it.

My brother actually made 1.3 million doing that during the housing boom before the market fell out from underneath of him and he got caught holding eight properties.  Considering how steep Capital Gains tax was he would try to hold the properties for two years but that’s one of the larger reasons he got burned holding so many deeds on homes.  I should note that my brother would spend about 15-30k on improvements on homes and he did a large percentage of the work himself.  Some of the profits could be very substantial, I know he made a 120k profit on one house he remodeled and flipped within a two year window.  Either way house flipping being a profitable enterprise usually isn’t a good sign for affordable housing in particular market.  It’s one of the biggest reasons I left Phoenix back in 2013.  Either way he was exploiting a market bubble but was smart enough to recognize it was beginning and caught the wave early.  Too bad he didn’t see it ending because he lost everything that he made in the housing crash. 

Now the real driver of that housing boom was predatory adjustable rate mortgage loans that were so popular in the early 2000s.  Double that up with a City like Phoenix which was exploding in population growth and there was some real opportunities to make money off the house flipping business.  Even after the housing boom home prices in Phoenix still remained way above what they were at the turn of the century and have only risen since...its kind of getting to Los Angeles/Bay Areas levels in places. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: J N Winkler on January 04, 2020, 02:23:25 PM
My brother actually made 1.3 million doing that during the housing boom before the market fell out from underneath of him and he got caught holding eight properties.  Considering how steep Capital Gains tax was he would try to hold the properties for two years but that’s one of the larger reasons he got burned holding so many deeds on homes.  I should note that my brother would spend about 15-30k on improvements on homes and he did a large percentage of the work himself.  Some of the profits could be very substantial, I know he made a 120k profit on one house he remodeled and flipped within a two year window.  Either way house flipping being a profitable enterprise usually isn’t a good sign for affordable housing in particular market.  It’s one of the biggest reasons I left Phoenix back in 2013.  Either way he was exploiting a market bubble but was smart enough to recognize it was beginning and caught the wave early.  Too bad he didn’t see it ending because he lost everything that he made in the housing crash.

In the parallel thread dealing with companies (etc.) we want to see go out of business, I did mention house flippers.  I concede that, to the extent they reflect a natural development of specialization to improve economic efficiency (not everyone has the ability or interest to act as his or her own general contractor/construction manager for updating fixer-uppers), and do not scrim-shank on the improvements they carry out, they can be a benign factor in a local housing market.  However, flipping is inevitably a speculative activity to some degree, and that has a tendency to exacerbate problems with housing affordability.

Intending long-term owners who buy from a flipper lose out when they effectively have to pay twice for the same updates (as a result of, e.g., the flipper putting in bottom-tier fixed appliances or failing to observe reasonable standards of workmanship when redecorating).

In my local area, we have observed that flippers tend to be tied to sources of fallow capital, such as doctors or small groups of well-heeled real-estate investors.  A few years ago, we received a cash-for-property offer from a LLC.  When I looked it up with the Secretary of State (which in Kansas handles business registrations), I found two names in connection with it.  One was a farmer's son from western Kansas, and the other was a medical doctor.  Both have gone on my personal blacklist.  We have received other cash-for-property postcards from different business entities (mostly partnerships) at essentially the same mailing address, in a high-dollar office park on the east side of town (traditionally the millionaires' quarter).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 04, 2020, 02:53:47 PM
I hate those house flipping shows.  They make it seem dire like they are going to lose money and in the end they ALWAYS make money.  That one show with the flippers EVERY TIME and supposedly they never once lost money.  Flip or Flop. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 04, 2020, 02:56:49 PM
My brother actually made 1.3 million doing that during the housing boom before the market fell out from underneath of him and he got caught holding eight properties.  Considering how steep Capital Gains tax was he would try to hold the properties for two years but that’s one of the larger reasons he got burned holding so many deeds on homes.  I should note that my brother would spend about 15-30k on improvements on homes and he did a large percentage of the work himself.  Some of the profits could be very substantial, I know he made a 120k profit on one house he remodeled and flipped within a two year window.  Either way house flipping being a profitable enterprise usually isn’t a good sign for affordable housing in particular market.  It’s one of the biggest reasons I left Phoenix back in 2013.  Either way he was exploiting a market bubble but was smart enough to recognize it was beginning and caught the wave early.  Too bad he didn’t see it ending because he lost everything that he made in the housing crash.

In the parallel thread dealing with companies (etc.) we want to see go out of business, I did mention house flippers.  I concede that, to the extent they reflect a natural development of specialization to improve economic efficiency (not everyone has the ability or interest to act as his or her own general contractor/construction manager for updating fixer-uppers), and do not scrim-shank on the improvements they carry out, they can be a benign factor in a local housing market.  However, flipping is inevitably a speculative activity to some degree, and that has a tendency to exacerbate problems with housing affordability.

Intending long-term owners who buy from a flipper lose out when they effectively have to pay twice for the same updates (as a result of, e.g., the flipper putting in bottom-tier fixed appliances or failing to observe reasonable standards of workmanship when redecorating).

In my local area, we have observed that flippers tend to be tied to sources of fallow capital, such as doctors or small groups of well-heeled real-estate investors.  A few years ago, we received a cash-for-property offer from a LLC.  When I looked it up with the Secretary of State (which in Kansas handles business registrations), I found two names in connection with it.  One was a farmer's son from western Kansas, and the other was a medical doctor.  Both have gone on my personal blacklist.  We have received other cash-for-property postcards from different business entities (mostly partnerships) at essentially the same mailing address, in a high-dollar office park on the east side of town (traditionally the millionaires' quarter).

Unfortunately in the case of the Phoenix market all the house flipping coupled with the housing bubble were really what expedited gentrification and sprawl.  The unfortunate result was taking a Metro Area that was very affordable circa 2000 and making just another upper middle class suburban hell scape by 2020.  Some of the long commutes resulted from new development racing outwards to whatever affordable parcels of land were left over.  As much as I liked Arizona I didn’t want to be part of kind of turn in the real estate market again.  Fortunately I had the ability to leave through my career and ultimately did. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jemacedo9 on January 04, 2020, 02:59:04 PM
A while back there were a lot of phone sales calls to change your phone service.  My sister in law told one caller, "I'm sorry, we don't have a phone."  Reply: "Sorry for bothering you."  Hang up.

Nicely done!
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on January 04, 2020, 04:49:31 PM
My brother actually made 1.3 million doing that during the housing boom before the market fell out from underneath of him and he got caught holding eight properties. 

A co-worker of mine had the same situation.  That's a way to get into the rental market without ever intending to!




A while back there were a lot of phone sales calls to change your phone service.  My sister in law told one caller, "I'm sorry, we don't have a phone."  Reply: "Sorry for bothering you."  Hang up.

Nicely done!

I remember my father telling one the same thing back in the 90s.  Except it wasn't a polite "sorry for bothering you" but instead a confused moment of silence on the other end.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: hbelkins on January 04, 2020, 06:33:48 PM
Here's something that bothers me. You can sign up for things online, change service plans online, but you have to call to cancel the service. You can't do that online.

Or when you have had no luck with phone calls to get something done and you write a letter, and they respond that you need to call them.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 04, 2020, 07:28:59 PM
On FB a woman just referred to her husband as "hubs"
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on January 04, 2020, 08:34:33 PM
Here's something that bothers me. You can sign up for things online, change service plans online, but you have to call to cancel the service. You can't do that online.

Or when you have had no luck with phone calls to get something done and you write a letter, and they respond that you need to call them.
Those are good ones.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on January 04, 2020, 08:51:36 PM
Email list unsubscribe buttons that take you to an unrelated webpage, with no way to contact anyone else (not even to tell them their link is broken).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 04, 2020, 10:36:47 PM
Gas pumps where I just want gas:

Insert card
Punch in your zip code (okay I know I need to do that)
Do you want additive?
Do you want to join our 5 cent off club?
Do you want a receipt?
Do you want a car wash?

Then I have to watch your video while I pump
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on January 04, 2020, 11:45:11 PM
Today is January 4.  Winter started two weeks ago.  They're late as usual.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: OracleUsr on January 05, 2020, 10:08:39 AM
Gas pumps where I just want gas:

Insert card
Punch in your zip code (okay I know I need to do that)
Do you want additive?
Do you want to join our 5 cent off club?
Do you want a receipt?
Do you want a car wash?

Then I have to watch your video while I pump

I had one near my house that used to ask:

Debit Card (Y/N)  NO
Debit Card (Y/N)  NO
Debit Card (Y/N)  NO

Authorizing
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: wanderer2575 on January 05, 2020, 10:16:50 AM
Email list unsubscribe buttons that take you to an unrelated webpage, with no way to contact anyone else (not even to tell them their link is broken).

They probably don't care about the broken link, but are more interested that by clicking the button you just confirmed yours is a valid and active e-mail address that can be sold to other companies.  I never unsubscribe from e-mail lists; I just add the senders to my spam filter.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SectorZ on January 05, 2020, 12:57:11 PM
Here's something that bothers me. You can sign up for things online, change service plans online, but you have to call to cancel the service. You can't do that online.

Or when you have had no luck with phone calls to get something done and you write a letter, and they respond that you need to call them.

In each case I swear it's that they don't want to get stuff in writing and be held to it. When I got "laid off" (actually fired) from a job and I was working out some stuff with them (they gave me severance, etc). I told them I would only go via e-mail, and they refused because I suspect they were going to pull something where they'd try to lie their way out of it. Since recording in my two-party state would not be legal (or at least allowed to be admitted in a legal situation as evidence), I stood firm on it and they relented. They pulled this stunt a year earlier on someone who was legitimately laid off (not fired) by backtracking on something they said.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on January 05, 2020, 01:24:36 PM
I needed to send in a form to a government agency. They’ll accept the form by fax, but they won’t accept a scanned version because that’s not an original signature. That makes no sense at all. The faxed copy isn’t an original signature either.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 05, 2020, 02:08:53 PM
When you complain to a company about something you want corrected and rather than correct it they send you a coupon for something free worth a few bucks.  Great, but I wanted it fixed.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: crt08 on January 05, 2020, 02:33:00 PM
I emailed a company to ask a question about something they sell, and they didn't respond. But I started getting their weekly newsletter emailed to me instead.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on January 05, 2020, 03:23:30 PM
Gas pumps where I just want gas:

Insert card
Punch in your zip code (okay I know I need to do that)
Do you want additive?
Do you want to join our 5 cent off club?
Do you want a receipt?
Do you want a car wash?

Then I have to watch your video while I pump
Even inside - they're doing their job, but poorly. 

"Any gas out there?" (not hard to say "Any fuel to purchase on which pump?" (or similar more detailed questions).

"See you next time".
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 05, 2020, 03:38:06 PM
My former boss (nice guy) would always say "what else for you?"   If I wanted something else I would have brought it to the counter with me.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: SSOWorld on January 05, 2020, 04:49:59 PM
My former boss (nice guy) would always say "what else for you?"   If I wanted something else I would have brought it to the counter with me.
They could be trying to sell things that are behind the counter
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 05, 2020, 04:58:37 PM
My former boss (nice guy) would always say "what else for you?"   If I wanted something else I would have brought it to the counter with me.
They could be trying to sell things that are behind the counter

True dat.  Upselling in general annoys me.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on January 06, 2020, 08:57:45 AM
Email list unsubscribe buttons that take you to an unrelated webpage, with no way to contact anyone else (not even to tell them their link is broken).

They probably don't care about the broken link, but are more interested that by clicking the button you just confirmed yours is a valid and active e-mail address that can be sold to other companies.  I never unsubscribe from e-mail lists; I just add the senders to my spam filter.


You know, I also held to this theory for years, but I think it actually works with the more reputable brick-and-mortar companies. I have one email address for all my travel stuff and for most items/services I purchase; unsubscribing cut away almost all the undesired recipients and seemed to cut down roughly half my spam (although, it could be that more junk gets destroyed or sent-to-spam immediately). But I found it worked well for small businesses and restaurants who just wanted to let me know they're still open every month or two; especially those which I don't patronize due to distance or no longer interested in using once more.

Your mileage will vary on this matter. If the company has some sort of website login, they likely offer a way to unsubscribe or cut down most "promotions"; due to privacy laws and a desire to keep your business, they tend to obey this to a degree.

Every so often they manage to reset the checkbox for: □ Bother Me Every Other Day!
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 06, 2020, 10:13:08 AM
My former boss (nice guy) would always say "what else for you?"   If I wanted something else I would have brought it to the counter with me.

Long been a great marketing strategy.  Honestly, probably a holdover from when cigs and tobacco were huge upsells.  But even with the "Can I get you anything else", it gives the customer an additional moment to say "Oh, I'll grab one of these" from on or under the counter.

They're usually high profit margin items, so sell a few here and there and those dollars add up for the retailer.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 06, 2020, 10:25:40 AM
the term "brick and mortar"
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 06, 2020, 10:26:16 AM
My former boss (nice guy) would always say "what else for you?"   If I wanted something else I would have brought it to the counter with me.

Long been a great marketing strategy.  Honestly, probably a holdover from when cigs and tobacco were huge upsells.  But even with the "Can I get you anything else", it gives the customer an additional moment to say "Oh, I'll grab one of these" from on or under the counter.

They're usually high profit margin items, so sell a few here and there and those dollars add up for the retailer.

God I hate those candy bars by the register, I'm a sucker for that
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: KEVIN_224 on January 06, 2020, 01:18:00 PM
Okay here's one, those annoying people who work for Spectrum who bother you in Walmart.  I pretty much tell them to f*ck off now.

We call them the Comcast Vultures at Walmart in Newington, CT. It's even more odd that Newington is served by Cox Communications. The closest areas with Comcast service is Berlin (just south on the Berlin Turnpike) and New Britain (immediately west). We had a guy pitching AT&T DSL internet service in my waning days there in 2010.

As for what bothers me today? Somebody still wished a Happy New Year to a customer at a local McDonald's. It is January SIXTH. Name one other holiday where you wish them well several days after the holiday. I'll wait.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on January 06, 2020, 01:33:13 PM
Name one other holiday where you wish them well several days after the holiday. I'll wait.

Arbor day.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 06, 2020, 01:37:44 PM
Okay here's one, those annoying people who work for Spectrum who bother you in Walmart.  I pretty much tell them to f*ck off now.

We call them the Comcast Vultures at Walmart in Newington, CT. It's even more odd that Newington is served by Cox Communications. The closest areas with Comcast service is Berlin (just south on the Berlin Turnpike) and New Britain (immediately west). We had a guy pitching AT&T DSL internet service in my waning days there in 2010.

As for what bothers me today? Somebody still wished a Happy New Year to a customer at a local McDonald's. It is January SIXTH. Name one other holiday where you wish them well several days after the holiday. I'll wait.

F*ck that's awesome, they're keeping it going.  How often does a McD's employee have that enthusiasm?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on January 06, 2020, 01:52:22 PM
Name one other holiday where you wish them well several days after the holiday. I'll wait.

Christmas...technically lasts until Epiphany
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on January 06, 2020, 02:03:24 PM

Name one other holiday where you wish them well several days after the holiday. I'll wait.

Christmas...technically lasts until Epiphany

Because Christmastide lasts until Epiphany, I don't consider it "late" to wish someone a Merry Christmas on, say, January 2.  And, while it is still a new year on January 6, there does have to be a point at which it stops being appropriate.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: hbelkins on January 06, 2020, 02:08:24 PM
My former boss (nice guy) would always say "what else for you?"   If I wanted something else I would have brought it to the counter with me.

Long been a great marketing strategy.  Honestly, probably a holdover from when cigs and tobacco were huge upsells.  But even with the "Can I get you anything else", it gives the customer an additional moment to say "Oh, I'll grab one of these" from on or under the counter.

They're usually high profit margin items, so sell a few here and there and those dollars add up for the retailer.

Or, it could be a variant on the "did you find everything you were looking for?" question. You may not have seen something you wanted to buy, and didn't ask someone or didn't see someone to ask if they had it in stock or even carried it, so if you're checking out and you get asked,"anything else for you?" and you say, "Well, I was looking for a such-and-such but didn't see one on the shelf," the checker can either tell you if they have it or not, or help you find it.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 06, 2020, 02:17:48 PM
I hate to ask because then they take time to go look for it
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on January 06, 2020, 02:27:37 PM
the term "brick and mortar"

You have a too many minor things that bother you. Consider dropping twenty of them.

And because we have too many people that take everything literally around here, wear steel-toed shoes before dropping any actual bricks or mortars.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: KEVIN_224 on January 06, 2020, 02:50:02 PM

Name one other holiday where you wish them well several days after the holiday. I'll wait.

Christmas...technically lasts until Epiphany

Because Christmastide lasts until Epiphany, I don't consider it "late" to wish someone a Merry Christmas on, say, January 2.  And, while it is still a new year on January 6, there does have to be a point at which it stops being appropriate.

Then again, I think the Russian Orthodox version of Christmas is Tuesday the 7th. Nobody I know here in Connecticut celebrates it though.

I once said "Happy MLK Day" to somebody on January 2nd. They looked at me funny and just moved on. I said it only implying that it was the next observance of any day or function for many (January 20th this year).
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 06, 2020, 03:26:16 PM
the term "brick and mortar"

You have a too many minor things that bother you. Consider dropping twenty of them.

And because we have too many people that take everything literally around here, wear steel-toed shoes before dropping any actual bricks or mortars.

I've got 5 years on you, it gets worse
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on January 06, 2020, 03:27:56 PM
Potholes
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: GaryV on January 06, 2020, 03:28:49 PM
Potholes

Come to Michigan.  Then potholes won't be a minor annoyance to you any more.  They'll become a major annoyance.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on January 06, 2020, 03:31:15 PM
the term "brick and mortar"

You have a too many minor things that bother you. Consider dropping twenty of them.

And because we have too many people that take everything literally around here, wear steel-toed shoes before dropping any actual bricks or mortars.

I've got 5 years on you, it gets worse

Then you've had five more years to find wisdom and peace.

Or watched more TV, it's your life.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on January 06, 2020, 03:32:49 PM

Potholes

Come to Michigan.  Then potholes won't be a minor annoyance to you any more.  They'll become a major annoyance.

I once had a page-per-day calendar that had an "on this day" blurb for each day of the year.  Except they were funny ones.  One day had an entry for "archaeologists discover the ruins of an ancient civilization inside a Detroit pothole".
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: texaskdog on January 06, 2020, 04:17:29 PM
the term "brick and mortar"

You have a too many minor things that bother you. Consider dropping twenty of them.

And because we have too many people that take everything literally around here, wear steel-toed shoes before dropping any actual bricks or mortars.

I've got 5 years on you, it gets worse

Then you've had five more years to find wisdom and peace.

Or watched more TV, it's your life.

I'm ISTJ I pretty much hate the world
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Rothman on January 06, 2020, 08:22:35 PM
Name one other holiday where you wish them well several days after the holiday. I'll wait.

Christmas...technically lasts until Epiphany
Only in certain sects.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kurumi on January 06, 2020, 10:03:07 PM
Name one other holiday where you wish them well several days after the holiday. I'll wait.

Christmas...technically lasts until Epiphany
Only in certain sects.

If you're not ready to take down the lights, Orthodox Christmas in Ukraine is January 7.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on January 07, 2020, 12:31:54 AM
Name one other holiday where you wish them well several days after the holiday. I'll wait.
Christmas...technically lasts until Epiphany
Because Christmastide lasts until Epiphany, I don't consider it "late" to wish someone a Merry Christmas on, say, January 2.  And, while it is still a new year on January 6, there does have to be a point at which it stops being appropriate.

My comment was somewhat of a stretch, as I was intending to reference the fact that most calendars/statutory holiday rules only reference Christmas Day, but many still celebrate the 12 days of Christmas/Christmastide...to fit with what KEVIN_224 was looking for.

For many religious sects, what is said about Christmas could also be said about Easter, as there are several weeks to the season.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: hbelkins on January 07, 2020, 11:45:12 AM
I don't know if there is anyone left in rural Appalachia who still celebrates "Old Christmas," but at one time it was widely celebrated. (link) (http://appalachianmagazine.com/2017/12/04/why-your-ancestors-celebrated-old-christmas/)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on January 08, 2020, 10:45:24 AM
We just took down the tree and decorations yesterday evening, and I instructed my wife and sons not to turn the lights on before we took it down because Christmastide is over.

For Epiphany (January 6), we always have a fancy family dinner and open the last present of the season.  Our tradition is to cook rouladen, and this year we had them with garlic mashed potatoes, roasted brussels sprouts with balsamic vinegar and bacon bits, and a rosé wine from La Vieille Ferme (grape juice for the kids).

I had hidden the present and led the boys on a scavenger hunt to find it.  The envelope on the tree had a map of my best guess as to the wise men's route (wherever in Persia they started—assuming you agree with the theory that they came from Persia—they must have passed through Babylon, so that was the first city on the map), plus an Epiphany-themed poem I wrote that included their first clue.  Each step of the scavenger hunt corresponded to a city along the route of the wise men's journey.  At that point, I would teach them something about that city in the time of Christ, connect that something to a bible passage that pertains to wisdom, and explain the bible passage a little bit.  Then they would read another Epiphany-themed poem I had written containing a clue to the next hiding spot.  In some of the hidden envelopes, they also found pieces of Hershey's Gold candy.  By the time they finally reached "Bethlehem" (my teapot), they were told in poem form to return back to the tree (where I had hidden the actual present under the tree skirt, ha!), just as the wise men returned to their country without reporting to Herod.


BABYLON
Home of the temple to Marduk, where people used to take care of his idol, which now lies in ruins.
Jeremiah 10 — "These gods did not make heaven and earth."

RESAFA
Without river or spring, the city collects springtime rainwater in cisterns for the year's water supply.
John 4 — "Whoever drinks the water I give will never be thirsty."

PALMYRA
This society blends all sorts of contemporary cultures and thereby has all but lost its own cultural identity.
I Corinthians 3 — "The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God."

DAMASCUS
Our entrance gate's broad and tall center section is not for foot travelers like us, so we go through a narrower section.
Matthew 7 — "The gate is small and the road is narrow that leads to true life."

JERICHO
Home of the egotistical Herod the Great's opulent winter palaces.
I john 2 — "If you love the world, the love of the Father is not in you."

JERUSALEM
Home of a new and improved Jewish temple which, little do we know, will be destroyed and looted in 70 years.
Psalm 103 — "Human life is like grass;  we grow like a flower in the field."

BETHLEHEM


(https://i.imgur.com/n6aDP2o.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VijddLD.jpg)
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on January 08, 2020, 11:58:36 AM
Our tree is still up (and decorated) because we won't have time to take it down until Friday, and our outside lights are still up because yesterday's bad weather made last night a bad time to take anything down. But nothing is lit after January 6. We light everything through and including the Epiphany but not afterwards. I suppose, if you wanted to be super-technical, it wouldn't be totally inappropriate to leave things lit through February 2, the 40th day after Christmas and the Feast of the Presentation in the Temple, but from a practical standpoint we will never do that. (We have, on occasion, left the tree up but dark until Lee-Jackson-King weekend simply based on when we had time to take everything down.)

I do find it slightly peculiar how the American way is to celebrate everything in advance and then bam, within 24 hours the holiday is to be forgotten and you're on to the next one. My wife commented last week about how the stores already had Valentine's Day crap prominently displayed. I made multiple trips to Home Depot this weekend and I might have liked the chance to pick up some outdoor Christmas lights had they had a clearance sale going on to move inventory (the squirrels chewed through one strand of lights on our deck), but they had already removed all that stuff. No doubt part of my feeling on this may date back to when we were kids and we always celebrated Christmas at home as a family, then two or three days later we went to New York to visit our relatives and we essentially had another Christmas up there. We never opened anything prior to December 25 except for the one year we went to New York for Christmas Day because my grandmother was in the hospital.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 08, 2020, 12:31:39 PM
My wife is insistent on keeping the decor up until the official end of Christmas.  She also serves a bread that has the baby Jesus in a slice.  I’m to understand if you get the baby Jesus you have to throw a feast or something the next year?  I never even heard of that one until I started dating her years ago. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: US 89 on January 08, 2020, 12:43:18 PM
Growing up we always kept the tree up until sometime within the first few weeks of January simply out of laziness, because taking it down was a pain in the ass and was almost guaranteed to take multiple hours. In addition to taking down all the ornaments and lights, it was one of those older artificial trees where all the branches came off separately and didn't really fit in the box. Carrying the box out to the garage where it would sit for the next 10.5 months was no small task either.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on January 08, 2020, 01:28:44 PM
My wife is insistent on keeping the decor up until the official end of Christmas.  She also serves a bread that has the baby Jesus in a slice.  I’m to understand if you get the baby Jesus you have to throw a feast or something the next year?  I never even heard of that one until I started dating her years ago. 

Similar to the King Cake of French-influenced traditions, Latin America has a traditional cake for Epiphany called rosca de reyes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosca_de_reyes).

While Christmastide is generally celebrated in Latin America for the full twelve days, a nine-day celebration (novena) is also common.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 08, 2020, 01:39:36 PM
My wife is insistent on keeping the decor up until the official end of Christmas.  She also serves a bread that has the baby Jesus in a slice.  I’m to understand if you get the baby Jesus you have to throw a feast or something the next year?  I never even heard of that one until I started dating her years ago. 

Similar to the King Cake of French-influenced traditions, Latin America has a traditional cake for Epiphany called rosca de reyes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosca_de_reyes).

While Christmastide is generally celebrated in Latin America for the full twelve days, a nine-day celebration (novena) is also common.

Yes it’s called the “Rosca” my wife and her family.  I knew it was of Latin American origin I just couldn’t remember what she called it. 
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on January 08, 2020, 01:55:39 PM
I do find it slightly peculiar how the American way is to celebrate everything in advance and then bam, within 24 hours the holiday is to be forgotten and you're on to the next one.

That's capitalism for you; but also because Christmas is constantly pushed at everyone from around November 1st (or earlier), so I think a lot of people get weary of it all.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: crt08 on January 09, 2020, 11:00:23 PM
I do find it slightly peculiar how the American way is to celebrate everything in advance and then bam, within 24 hours the holiday is to be forgotten and you're on to the next one.

That's capitalism for you; but also because Christmas is constantly pushed at everyone from around November 1st (or earlier), so I think a lot of people get weary of it all.

Around here I think I saw decorations going out the beginning of October at Walmart this year. Strangely Taco Bell had decorations up very early (late November) but then they were gone mid December.  :-/
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: crt08 on January 09, 2020, 11:05:24 PM
Our tree is still up (and decorated) because we won't have time to take it down until Friday, and our outside lights are still up because yesterday's bad weather made last night a bad time to take anything down. But nothing is lit after January 6. We light everything through and including the Epiphany but not afterwards. I suppose, if you wanted to be super-technical, it wouldn't be totally inappropriate to leave things lit through February 2, the 40th day after Christmas and the Feast of the Presentation in the Temple, but from a practical standpoint we will never do that. (We have, on occasion, left the tree up but dark until Lee-Jackson-King weekend simply based on when we had time to take everything down.)

I do find it slightly peculiar how the American way is to celebrate everything in advance and then bam, within 24 hours the holiday is to be forgotten and you're on to the next one. My wife commented last week about how the stores already had Valentine's Day crap prominently displayed. I made multiple trips to Home Depot this weekend and I might have liked the chance to pick up some outdoor Christmas lights had they had a clearance sale going on to move inventory (the squirrels chewed through one strand of lights on our deck), but they had already removed all that stuff. No doubt part of my feeling on this may date back to when we were kids and we always celebrated Christmas at home as a family, then two or three days later we went to New York to visit our relatives and we essentially had another Christmas up there. We never opened anything prior to December 25 except for the one year we went to New York for Christmas Day because my grandmother was in the hospital.

It is rather odd, and I never really noticed, but it does seem to be pushed earlier every year. I was seeing decorations as early as the first week of October! Yet, I went on Christmas Eve to Lowes and found they had nearly all of their decorations gone except for two artificial trees and some Christmas light sets which were already on clearance!

Home Depot did have some light sets still out for sale the weekend after though, actually seemed to have quite a bit more left than Lowes.

When I was growing up we usually left the decorations up until the second week of January, mainly because it was such a job to take them down. Although I do remember at times having them already packed up by the end of Christmas break.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on January 10, 2020, 12:13:58 AM
I do find it slightly peculiar how the American way is to celebrate everything in advance and then bam, within 24 hours the holiday is to be forgotten and you're on to the next one.

That's capitalism for you; but also because Christmas is constantly pushed at everyone from around November 1st (or earlier), so I think a lot of people get weary of it all.

Around here I think I saw decorations going out the beginning of October at Walmart this year. Strangely Taco Bell had decorations up very early (late November) but then they were gone mid December.  :-/

The craft stores have stuff out in September already. Part I would assume so people have time to make stuff as gifts/to sell themselves; part is just that they're just batshit crazy.

It's one of the things I hate about retail (the clothing side of retail). Everything is stocked for the next season. But should you need to replace something in-season, you're either screwed or really lucky (by finding it on super clearance markdowns). Given the sizes I need, I typically fall into the former category.

It is rather odd, and I never really noticed, but it does seem to be pushed earlier every year. I was seeing decorations as early as the first week of October! Yet, I went on Christmas Eve to Lowes and found they had nearly all of their decorations gone except for two artificial trees and some Christmas light sets which were already on clearance!

Home Depot did have some light sets still out for sale the weekend after though, actually seemed to have quite a bit more left than Lowes.

Places like Sams and Costco have their holiday stuff gone by the 26th. We had to stop in for a couple items on the 27th and there was one [small] pallet of holiday stuff left -- tucked back into the farthest corner of the store.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on January 10, 2020, 12:41:56 PM
When people use the the fast setting for their windshield wipers, but it's barely even sprinkling outside.

This does not reasonably affect me in any way at all, but for some reason it bothers me none the less.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on January 10, 2020, 12:48:04 PM
When people use the the fast setting for their windshield wipers, but it's barely even sprinkling outside.

This does not reasonably affect me in any way at all, but for some reason it bothers me none the less.

I find the fastest wiper setting just sloshes more water around, usually makes more noise, and is even more visually distracting. It really has to rain hard and I have to drive quite slow to even give that setting a second thought.

Though I can think of one time I preferred it: I had a rental VW Jetta last year in which the wipers were very chattery at slow speeds, and mysteriously became about 90% quieter on the fastest setting. Weird.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: DaBigE on January 10, 2020, 01:13:39 PM
When people use the the fast setting for their windshield wipers, but it's barely even sprinkling outside.

This does not reasonably affect me in any way at all, but for some reason it bothers me none the less.

I find the fastest wiper setting just sloshes more water around, usually makes more noise, and is even more visually distracting. It really has to rain hard and I have to drive quite slow to even give that setting a second thought.

Though I can think of one time I preferred it: I had a rental VW Jetta last year in which the wipers were very chattery at slow speeds, and mysteriously became about 90% quieter on the fastest setting. Weird.

Less friction with the momentum at higher speeds. Slower speeds give the blades more time to catch the glass.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on January 10, 2020, 01:53:41 PM
When people use the the fast setting for their windshield wipers, but it's barely even sprinkling outside.

This does not reasonably affect me in any way at all, but for some reason it bothers me none the less.

Depending on the car, they might be automatic wipers that seem to have a mind of their own. My wife's Acura TLX is like that. The system will often pick a faster speed or more frequent interval than I would prefer. She's had the car since May 2017 and I still haven't completely figured out how to get the wipers not to adjust the intermittent speed on their own.

In our other cars, I almost never use the highest-speed wiper setting unless the rain is so torrential that I'm also slowing down and using my hazard flashers.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on January 10, 2020, 01:56:53 PM
Depending on the car, they might be automatic wipers that ... often pick a faster speed or more frequent interval

WTF?  That's a thing?  I would hate that!

Do they only engage when you turn the wipers on, at least?  Or do they come on whenever water hits the car?
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 10, 2020, 02:03:13 PM
Depending on the car, they might be automatic wipers that ... often pick a faster speed or more frequent interval

WTF?  That's a thing?  I would hate that!

Do they only engage when you turn the wipers on, at least?  Or do they come on whenever water hits the car?

They come on automatically!

But like auto headlights, usually there's a switch to deactivate it.  For the most part, you get used to it.  But as mentioned, I rarely if ever use my fastest setting.  The normal setting is good enough.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on January 10, 2020, 02:15:45 PM
No, I would not get used to it.  That's because I only turn my wipers on if it's raining really hard.  Anything lighter than that, and I just bat them once as needed.  I use cleaner fluid with Rain-X in it, so rain rarely presents a problem, plus I'm distracted more by the wipers than I am by the raindrops.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MNHighwayMan on January 10, 2020, 02:23:48 PM
I do find it slightly peculiar how the American way is to celebrate everything in advance and then bam, within 24 hours the holiday is to be forgotten and you're on to the next one.
That's capitalism for you; but also because Christmas is constantly pushed at everyone from around November 1st (or earlier), so I think a lot of people get weary of it all.

This is definitely something that bothers me. Personally, I have a policy of one holiday at a time: no Thanksgiving before Halloween, no Christmas before Thanksgiving, etc.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on January 10, 2020, 02:32:43 PM


I do find it slightly peculiar how the American way is to celebrate everything in advance and then bam, within 24 hours the holiday is to be forgotten and you're on to the next one.

That's capitalism for you; but also because Christmas is constantly pushed at everyone from around November 1st (or earlier), so I think a lot of people get weary of it all.

This is definitely something that bothers me. Personally, I have a policy of one holiday at a time: no Thanksgiving before Halloween, no Christmas before Thanksgiving, etc.

It's a little tricky with Christmas for me.  We keep the decorations up until Epiphany, and we leave one present to be opened then as well.  Yet, in between the first and last days of Christmastide, we have New Year's Day (8th day) and my eldest son's birthday (11th day).  The New Year is easier to think about as a quasi-Christmastide holiday, considering that the dates of both are historically based on or related to the winter solstice, but it's especially weird to have a birthday celebration while there's still a Christmas/Epiphany gift yet to be opened.
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: MNHighwayMan on January 10, 2020, 02:37:50 PM
See, for me and my family, Christmas is just a