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Title: Interstate 22
Post by: Snappyjack on January 26, 2009, 11:56:04 PM
How is the I-22/I-65 interchange coming along? Any progress? They were starting when I was there last July.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bryant5493 on January 27, 2009, 09:19:49 AM
^^ I'd read that there were about five miles left to completed in Birmingham.


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Anthony_JK on January 27, 2009, 12:02:17 PM
Only thing I've heard about any new limited access highway in Huntsville is the possibility that the southern toll bypass of Huntsville may come to fruition: http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/3116 (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/3116)

Two problems with that article: 1) it is extremely dated (posted in 2007), and it totally butchers the proposed I-22 routing (Memphis-Huntsville-Decatur-Atlanta rather than the present Memphis-Birmingham route).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lamsalfl on January 27, 2009, 10:48:20 PM
Yeah seriously.  What's the deal with I-22?  I think once it's hooked to I-65 to label the damn road as I-22.  MS got I-69 so why not?  How is the construction at I-65 going?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Hellfighter on April 08, 2009, 09:43:48 PM
Does anyone know the status of I-22? When will ADOT start construction of the I-22/I-65 interchange?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alex on April 08, 2009, 10:40:39 PM
http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/metro.ssf?/base/news/1230369332210850.xml&coll=2 (http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/metro.ssf?/base/news/1230369332210850.xml&coll=2)

==
I-65/Corridor X interchange work slated to start in spring
Road widening, ramps slated
Saturday, December 27, 2008
GINNY MacDONALD
News staff writer

By mid-May motorists will see a lot more work on the $241 million Interstate 65-Corridor X interchange, the Alabama Department of Transportation's most expensive construction job.

Construction will include running the corridor under I-65, and the rebuilding and widening of I-65 to eight lanes along the interchange.

Exit ramps also will be built leading to three-lane collector-distributor roads along the interchange, which will extend about four miles from 16th Street in Birmingham to U.S. 31 in Fultondale.

ALDOT plans to open bids for the interchange work on March 27. Construction is expected to take four to five years, but the state could allow the contractor to add work shifts to expedite construction. That would lessen the time needed to complete it, but it would increase costs.

The corridor, which will eventually become Interstate 22 linking Birmingham to Memphis, is now open to motorists from Memphis to Graysville.

The initial work will be to reconstruct I-65 from 41st Avenue to Fultondale. As the new roadway is completed, traffic will be shifted to it and the process will continue until the new interstate through the interchange is complete.

"This is the biggest project to be constructed in the state," said Mike Mahaffey, head of construction for ALDOT's Birmingham division.

Work has already begun to widen I-65 from 41st Avenue North to 16th Street North in preparation for the interchange construction.

The $73 million widening work is expected to be completed within two years. A second project, to widen I-65 from 41st Avenue to Walker Chapel Road, is scheduled to begin next year.

The last paving job on the corridor, 1.3 miles to connect to the I-65 interchange, will be bid in February with work to begin in April, Mahaffey said.

Work continues on about five miles of the corridor between Cherry Avenue and I-65. Work on the 2.5-mile section from Cherry Avenue to Coalburg Road is behind schedule, but workers are installing right-of-way fences and pouring flumes for drainage. A six-mile section from Graysville to Cherry Avenue in Forestdale is open to local traffic only.

A 1.3-mile section of the corridor that barrels through what was once Smithfield Estates is under contract with clearing under way. Work on the last interstate connector section is to begin in April....
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bryant5493 on April 09, 2009, 12:26:24 AM
The last time I was on US 78 (Future I-22) was about two years ago (?).

1) Is the speed limit at Future I-22's terminus with Cherry Avenue 65 m.p.h.?

2) Will the speed limit be increased to 70 m.p.h. (in Alabama) when the entire freeway is completed and signed as an Interstate?

3) Were portions of old US 78 used to construct new US 78 (Future I-22)?


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bryant5493 on April 09, 2009, 07:42:54 AM
^^ Oh, okay, thanks for addressing my questions.


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: leifvanderwall on April 09, 2009, 11:23:52 AM
I think I-22 should be extended even east of Birmingham,AL. I would have I-22 follow US 280 East to GA 520. I would have I-22 swallow US 82/GA 520 whole all the way to Brunswick, GA. I think the possibility is there to have an interstate from Memphis to Jacksonville, FL and I-22 would be one of the most traveled routes in the Southeast.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bryant5493 on April 09, 2009, 12:10:59 PM
^^ That's a good idea. Hopefully, I-14 will get built, and maybe an extension of I-185.


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Chris on April 09, 2009, 12:36:04 PM
OKroads has taken pictures of the US 78 (I-22) a couple of months ago:

link (http://www.flickr.com/photos/okroads/sets/72157611692655325/)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: okroads on April 09, 2009, 02:59:08 PM
Thanks, for the shameless plug of my Flickr, Chris.  :D

Here are links to my U.S. 78 (future I-22) photo pages from when I drove through there in late December:

Mississippi
http://www.flickr.com/photos/okroads/sets/72157612682552814/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/okroads/sets/72157612682552814/)

Alabama
http://www.flickr.com/photos/okroads/sets/72157612710063525/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/okroads/sets/72157612710063525/)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bryant5493 on April 09, 2009, 03:16:19 PM
^^ Nice.


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: CarlFox on May 14, 2009, 12:58:00 AM
Hmm...it'd be nice if we had a more direct Jacksonville to Atlanta route (although, I-10 to I-75 does fairly well), but I don't see I-22 getting extended down here...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: barcncpt44 on May 26, 2009, 01:39:28 PM
there is a story in the birmingham news today that the corridor x connection project to i-65 is trying to get stimulus funding and the northern beltline in birmingham will be named i-422

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/metro.ssf?/base/news/1243325715144810.xml&coll=2 (http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/metro.ssf?/base/news/1243325715144810.xml&coll=2)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alex on May 27, 2009, 04:03:27 AM
there is a story in the birmingham news today that the corridor x connection project to i-65 is trying to get stimulus funding and the northern beltline in birmingham will be named i-422

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/metro.ssf?/base/news/1243325715144810.xml&coll=2 (http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/metro.ssf?/base/news/1243325715144810.xml&coll=2)

Interstate 422, that's the first I've heard of that designation for it. I always surmised that an I-x59 would be used for it.

Also, was there not a feasibility study of extending the Interstate 22 freeway east to I-20/59 currently underway?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lamsalfl on May 27, 2009, 04:08:30 AM
I would rather an extension of I-22 to I-20 than a single mile of I-422 EVER be built.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on September 28, 2009, 02:39:02 PM
I requested a set of almost-complete plans from ALDOT for the I-22/I-65 interchange, and I received them today. Some observations from the plans:


Work is underway to widen I-65 from Daniel Payne Drive to I-20/59 to eight lanes. Going through there a few weeks ago, I'd say the work is approaching 65% completion. The contract to build this interchange was set to be let last year, but funding dried up. I believe ALDOT could have used stimulus money to build this interchange, but instead opted to divert that money to other projects. I keep hearing from news sources that the contract could be let by the end of this year, but with the pricetag for this interchange being upwards of $150 million, I am not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on October 08, 2009, 06:22:18 PM

Interstate 422, that's the first I've heard of that designation for it. I always surmised that an I-x59 would be used for it.

Also, was there not a feasibility study of extending the Interstate 22 freeway east to I-20/59 currently underway?

From what I have seen, if I-22 is extended to I-20/59, I-22 will meet I-20/59 near Tallapoosa St.

On another note, I-22 will soon be finished to Coalburg Rd.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on December 10, 2009, 06:34:21 PM
Update:

Corridor X opened from Cherry Ave to Coalburg Rd yesterday.  I drove it earlier today and will post pictures later.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: flaroads on December 10, 2009, 07:46:09 PM
But I was just there! I missed it by two weeks!!

I assume that there are stubs at the end of the Coalburg Road interchange for its final leg to Interstate 65/U.S. 31?

In my opinion the rest of the future interstate should have been built all at once (from Cherry Avenue to Interstate 65/U.S. 31) but I must remember we do live in the day and age where it takes 40+ years to build an interstate across two states!! If it were built in the 1960's you know it would have already reached its terminus interstates, on both ends!! :)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bryant5493 on December 10, 2009, 07:56:37 PM
Update:

Corridor X opened from Cherry Ave to Coalburg Rd yesterday.  I drove it earlier today and will post pictures later.

Alright. Can't wait to see them.


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on December 10, 2009, 08:02:22 PM
But I was just there! I missed it by two weeks!!

I assume that there are stubs at the end of the Coalburg Road interchange for its final leg to Interstate 65/U.S. 31?

In my opinion the rest of the future interstate should have been built all at once (from Cherry Avenue to Interstate 65/U.S. 31) but I must remember we do live in the day and age where it takes 40+ years to build an interstate across two states!! If it were built in the 1960's you know it would have already reached its terminus interstates, on both ends!! :)

Yes, there are stubs at the Coalburg Rd interchange.  The road is being graded from Coalburg Rd to about 2000 feet of the I-65 interchange.  It will not be paved until the interchange with I-65 is built.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on December 10, 2009, 09:11:39 PM
Here are some photos I took of the new sections:

First, Coalburg Rd Northbound approaching the ramp to US 78 westbound
(http://s761.photobucket.com/albums/xx260/jdbarnes1234/101_0907.jpg)

US 78 Westbound approaching Cherry Ave:
(http://s761.photobucket.com/albums/xx260/jdbarnes1234/101_0921.jpg)

US 78 Eastbound approaching Coalburg Rd:
(http://s761.photobucket.com/albums/xx260/jdbarnes1234/101_0925.jpg)

Last but not least:
(http://s761.photobucket.com/albums/xx260/jdbarnes1234/101_0918.jpg)

I have more photos and I may post them as time permits.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Scott5114 on December 11, 2009, 12:16:33 AM
Hopefully when I-22 gets designated, they'll dump those stupid Corridor X shields and go back to the normal US-78's... :|
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Hellfighter on December 11, 2009, 12:24:32 AM
Hopefully when I-22 gets designated, they'll dump those stupid Corridor X shields and go back to the normal US-78's... :|

that would be very nice!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on December 11, 2009, 06:40:05 AM
Quote
I have more photos and I may post them as time permits.

Do you have photos that show more of the road and less of the signs?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alps on December 12, 2009, 11:52:58 AM
Update:

Corridor X opened from Cherry Ave to Coalburg Rd yesterday.  I drove it earlier today and will post pictures later.

Thanks!  Here I was planning my trip to start at Cherry Ave. - much appreciated.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: njroadhorse on December 12, 2009, 04:33:42 PM
It's probably been asked and answered before, but is there any timetable on the 269-22 connection?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on December 14, 2009, 02:24:32 PM
Quote
I have more photos and I may post them as time permits.

Do you have photos that show more of the road and less of the signs?


Here you go:
Corridor X Eastern end.

(http://s761.photobucket.com/albums/xx260/jdbarnes1234/101_1004.jpg)

I took a few others and will try to post some as time allows.

Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on February 21, 2010, 03:43:13 PM
Next Step Towards I-22 Up in the Air:

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/02/next_step_toward_i-22_up_in_th.html (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/02/next_step_toward_i-22_up_in_th.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: sglaughlin on February 21, 2010, 10:15:32 PM
Here is an article from today's (2/21/2010) Birmingham News:

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/02/next_step_toward_i-22_up_in_th.html (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/02/next_step_toward_i-22_up_in_th.html)

Not sure I agree with the state highway officials logic on not using federal stimulus funds, but as this is in Jefferson County, we will continue the tradition of being the last to have our Interstates completed. :confused:
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on February 21, 2010, 11:35:42 PM
Here is an article from today's (2/21/2010) Birmingham News:

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/02/next_step_toward_i-22_up_in_th.html (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/02/next_step_toward_i-22_up_in_th.html)

Not sure I agree with the state highway officials logic on not using federal stimulus funds, but as this is in Jefferson County, we will continue the tradition of being the last to have our Interstates completed. :confused:

Yeah, I recall I-65 being completed in Jefferson County in the late '80s and I-20 in the mid '80s, not to mention the Red Mountain Expressway also in the same time period.

By the way, sglaughlin, welcome to the forum.  I live in the Birmingham area myself.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 24, 2010, 01:59:51 PM
Here is an article from today's (2/21/2010) Birmingham News:

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/02/next_step_toward_i-22_up_in_th.html (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/02/next_step_toward_i-22_up_in_th.html)

Not sure I agree with the state highway officials logic on not using federal stimulus funds, but as this is in Jefferson County, we will continue the tradition of being the last to have our Interstates completed. :confused:

From the article, it sounded like ALDOT officials were worried that if stimulus funds were used on a project that qualified for Appalacian Development money then they would lose APD funding for the rest of that roadway. The big link in this project is the interchange itself, but I think there still needs to be a contract let to pave I-22 up to the interchange.

It will be so nice to see this interchange built finally. Then again, so will getting I-65 widened south of Birmingham.  I think the I-22/I-65 construction would be worthy of a roat meet once construction has begun.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: agentsteel53 on February 24, 2010, 02:07:37 PM
Hopefully when I-22 gets designated, they'll dump those stupid Corridor X shields and go back to the normal US-78's... :|

I'm kinda hoping they just finally sign 22, and move US-78 back to the old alignment.  The fewer Miss state route 178 circle shields in existence, the better.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 24, 2010, 02:10:56 PM
Hopefully when I-22 gets designated, they'll dump those stupid Corridor X shields and go back to the normal US-78's... :|

I'm kinda hoping they just finally sign 22, and move US-78 back to the old alignment.  The fewer Miss state route 178 circle shields in existence, the better.

It will be very interesting to see how US 78 is treated in MS once I-22 is signed. The old alignment was destroyed in some places (Tenn-Tom Waterway at Fulton, MS is one of those areas).  At least in Alabama the previous alignment, with the exception of west of Hamilton, is intact.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on February 24, 2010, 07:04:33 PM
Hopefully when I-22 gets designated, they'll dump those stupid Corridor X shields and go back to the normal US-78's... :|

that would be very nice!

Well, you could have a sign that looks like this:

(http://s761.photobucket.com/albums/xx260/jdbarnes1234/101_0247.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 24, 2010, 10:13:51 PM
Hopefully when I-22 gets designated, they'll dump those stupid Corridor X shields and go back to the normal US-78's... :|

that would be very nice!

Well, you could have a sign that looks like this:

(http://s761.photobucket.com/albums/xx260/jdbarnes1234/101_0247.jpg)

*Shudders*

Please tell me that was photoshopped. Was that sign recently installed? I don't remember seeing that one before.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on February 24, 2010, 11:05:04 PM

*Shudders*

Please tell me that was photoshopped. Was that sign recently installed? I don't remember seeing that one before.

Sadly, no this is not photoshopped, it is a real sign.  It is on US 78 where it approaches Corridor X near Graysville.  There is also another one on southbound AL 5 approaching the same interchange.  I believe both are fairly recent, maybe a few years old.

Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 25, 2010, 09:48:03 AM

*Shudders*

Please tell me that was photoshopped. Was that sign recently installed? I don't remember seeing that one before.

Sadly, no this is not photoshopped, it is a real sign.  It is on US 78 where it approaches Corridor X near Graysville.  There is also another one on southbound AL 5 approaching the same interchange.  I believe both are fairly recent, maybe a few years old.



It would make more sense, and look much better, if ALDOT placed some sort of shield that labeled the route at Corridor X beside the US 78 shield on the BGS. Even putting the blue Corridor X US 78 shield there would look better than that monstrosity.

On the other hand, it almost looks like there is enough room to slap on an I-22 shield to the left of the US 78 shield when I-22 is officially signed.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on February 25, 2010, 10:11:27 AM
I was last through that area in November 2007, so these signs have been put up since then.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Chris on February 25, 2010, 10:20:10 AM
Do they drive with binoculars in Alabama? Who can read those small texts whilst driving a car?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Scott5114 on February 27, 2010, 09:49:45 PM
Considering they're not really necessary to read, I suppose it doesn't matter :P
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: J N Winkler on February 28, 2010, 06:18:21 AM
But the guide-sign design principle of rejectability implies that the legend blocks in question should be at a much larger size or not on the sign at all in the first place, so that drivers can see clearly and immediately that they are irrelevant rather than distracting themselves trying to figure out what they say.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Hellfighter on March 04, 2010, 12:33:58 AM
They should just put the I-22 shields up and be done with it!  :-D
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bryant5493 on March 11, 2010, 12:12:30 AM
I've plans of going to Tunica on May 1, tentatively. So, I'll get some footage of U.S. 78 and Future I-22 west of Birmingham then.


Be Well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bryant5493 on March 11, 2010, 11:30:48 AM
I've a few quick questions about Corridor X. Is it all of Future I-22/U.S. 78? Or is the portion of Future I-22/U.S. 78 from Tennessee to the Mississippi-Alabama state line? Or the portion of Future I-22/U.S. 78 from the Mississippi-Alabama state line to its current terminus west of Birmingham?


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on March 11, 2010, 01:54:45 PM
I've a few quick questions about Corridor X. Is it all of Future I-22/U.S. 78? Or is the portion of Future I-22/U.S. 78 from Tennessee to the Mississippi-Alabama state line? Or the portion of Future I-22/U.S. 78 from the Mississippi-Alabama state line to its current terminus west of Birmingham?

Having driven it many time it is US 78 from the Mississippi-Alabama state line to Exit 85.  However, the portion between Exit 85 and Exit 93 is open to "local traffic" (like I would obey that).  This is also signed as US 78 with the blue shields, but not a part of US 78 right now.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: mightyace on March 11, 2010, 04:17:19 PM
However, the portion between Exit 85 and Exit 93 is open to "local traffic" (like I would obey that).

If they're using it like they are on the stubs of TN 840 between I-40 and I-65, it is simply an advisory that the road is not a through route.  AFAIK There is no legal requirement that you be "local traffic."
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on March 11, 2010, 05:45:58 PM
Bryant:  the western terminus of Corridor X is where it meets Corridor V near Fulton, MS (MS 25 North/Exit 108).  By the book, the 22 miles of 78 between that location and US 45 (Exit 86) are part of Corridor V.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bryant5493 on March 11, 2010, 06:41:12 PM
Having driven it many time it is US 78 from the Mississippi-Alabama state line to Exit 85.  However, the portion between Exit 85 and Exit 93 is open to "local traffic" (like I would obey that).  This is also signed as US 78 with the blue shields, but not a part of US 78 right now.

Gotta do the roadgeek thing and disregard the "local traffic" signage (lol).

Bryant:  the western terminus of Corridor X is where it meets Corridor V near Fulton, MS (MS 25 North/Exit 108).  By the book, the 22 miles of 78 between that location and US 45 (Exit 86) are part of Corridor V.

Okay, cool. Got you. Thanks, froggie.


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: sammack on March 17, 2010, 07:21:47 PM
there is a story in the birmingham news today that the corridor x connection project to i-65 is trying to get stimulus funding and the northern beltline in birmingham will be named i-422

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/metro.ssf?/base/news/1243325715144810.xml&coll=2 (http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/metro.ssf?/base/news/1243325715144810.xml&coll=2)



Also, was there not a feasibility study of extending the Interstate 22 freeway east to I-20/59 currently underway?



I do believe there has been, and iirc the concept has been discarded as the route was too developed both commercially and residential.

Also my understanding is there would not be enough traffic to justify it.

Existing freeways are more then adequate

fixed a malformed quote
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on March 21, 2010, 12:20:28 PM
Has anyone ever seen the plans for the I-22/I-65 interchange?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on March 21, 2010, 08:55:55 PM
Just the early ones, which made it onto ALDOT's 1998-era Jefferson County map.  Basically half of a stack with an extension to US 31.  Not sure if that's still what's planned...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on March 22, 2010, 07:26:03 AM
Just the early ones, which made it onto ALDOT's 1998-era Jefferson County map.  Basically half of a stack with an extension to US 31.  Not sure if that's still what's planned...

I have seen some almost-complete plans, and the configuration is pretty much that, but there is a C/D system from 41st Avenue through the I-22 interchange up to the US 31 interchange on both sides. It is a pretty impressive interchange.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bryant5493 on March 31, 2010, 05:14:23 PM
Going to Tunica next Sunday and Monday (April 11th and 12th). So, I will be filming I-22 then.


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alps on March 31, 2010, 07:30:18 PM
Going to Tunica next Sunday and Monday (April 11th and 12th). So, I will be filming I-22 then.


Be well,

Bryant
Make sure to film I-69!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bryant5493 on March 31, 2010, 09:10:16 PM
^^^^

I've got video of I-69/MS 304 in DeSoto County on YouTube already. I filmed them last July, on the 4th. The way I came into Tunica, I came from Philadelphia (MS), utilizing MS 15 North, U.S. 82 West, and I-55 North to I-69 South/MS 304 South.

I-69 North:

I-69 South:


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alex on April 01, 2010, 08:13:02 AM
I drove Interstate 69 finally last December. Was surprised at how many were using it, though traffic tapered significantly at the west end. Is there any timetable as to when Interstate 22/269 will be built in Mississippi and when they may tie into Interstate 55?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bryant5493 on April 07, 2010, 11:39:16 PM
Quick question: What's the speed limit on U.S. 78/I-22 in Alabama? Is it 65 or 70? Been awhile since I've driven it -- four or five years. I know the portion in Mississippi's 70, from doing a little research and from memory.


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on April 08, 2010, 07:13:22 AM
Quick question: What's the speed limit on U.S. 78/I-22 in Alabama? Is it 65 or 70? Been awhile since I've driven it -- four or five years. I know the portion in Mississippi's 70, from doing a little research and from memory.


Be well,

Bryant

It is 65 in Alabama, and 70 through most of Mississippi with the exception of the 60 MPH speed limit through New Albany.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: mightyace on April 08, 2010, 06:25:03 PM
It is 65 in Alabama
IIRC Parts of I-65 in Alabama are 70 mph or am I mistaken?

So, if I'm right, will they be raising it to 70 once it formally gets I-22 status?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bryant5493 on April 08, 2010, 07:07:29 PM
IIRC Parts of I-65 in Alabama are 70 mph or am I mistaken?

So, if I'm right, will they be raising it to 70 once it formally gets I-22 status?


You're correct about I-65 in Alabama.

Technically, since Future I-22's currently not an interstate but a rural U.S. Highway freeway, is why it's posted at 65 m.p.h. When it's finished and brought into the Interstate system, I'm sure, the speed limit will be bumped to 70. Wow! I just restated what you just said, pretty much. But I'm sure the speed limit will be bumped to 70 when it officially becomes an Interstate. What perplexes me, though, is how Mississippi has U.S. Highway freeways that are signed at 70 and Alabama doesn't. I know that they're different states, but are rural ones at that.

It is 65 in Alabama, and 70 through most of Mississippi with the exception of the 60 MPH speed limit through New Albany.

Thanks.


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alps on April 08, 2010, 08:24:23 PM
Just picture a "FUTURE SPEED LIMIT 70" sign.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bryant5493 on April 08, 2010, 08:34:13 PM
Just picture a "FUTURE SPEED LIMIT 70" sign.

:-D


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on April 08, 2010, 09:44:49 PM
It is 65 in Alabama
IIRC Parts of I-65 in Alabama are 70 mph or am I mistaken?

So, if I'm right, will they be raising it to 70 once it formally gets I-22 status?


I believe in Alabama the only roads signed at 70 MPH are the interstates.  Non-interstate freeways are 65 MPH. 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: mightyace on April 08, 2010, 11:06:10 PM
^^^

That kind of thing has never made sense to me.

If the freeway is built to a high enough standard, who cares what shield is on it?  Especially in this case since US 72 will be I-22 someday.   So, when they change the signs, all of a sudden the road is good for 5 more mph?  :confused:

(And Alabama is not the only state that does it or did it one time in the past.)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bryant5493 on April 08, 2010, 11:29:47 PM
^^

I agree, makes no sense at all.

Georgia 400/U.S. 19 north of Alpharetta is signed at 65, but is built to high enough standards that it could very well be signed at 70 or better. At one time, I could've sworn I saw some 75 m.p.h. signs north of the freeway end, but maybe I was crazy.


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 08, 2010, 11:56:35 PM
Especially in this case since US 72 will be I-22 someday.

I think you mean US-78. ;)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on April 09, 2010, 11:53:55 AM
State's preference.  As mentioned, Alabama only allows 70 MPH on Interstate highways.  Meanwhile, you see 70 MPH on US 78 (and US 82 too outside Columbus) because Mississippi codified their law to allow 70 MPH on rural freeways in general, and not Interstates specifically.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: mightyace on April 09, 2010, 06:52:38 PM
Especially in this case since US 72 will be I-22 someday.

I think you mean US-78. ;)

Yes, I did.   :banghead:

Now, I have seen some stuff in fictional highways on parts U.S. 72 becoming an Interstate, but is there anything real happening there?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on April 09, 2010, 10:15:32 PM
Not really.  Alabama's trying to plan something, but they don't have the money for it.  Mississippi's uninterested in the idea.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bryant5493 on April 13, 2010, 05:47:25 PM
Just got back from Tunica, and am putting together some vids, profiling I-22 in Alabama (between Jasper and Coalburg Road). I've also got footage of I-69/S.R. 713. Will post them shortly.

Additionally, I am still mad at the nearly 40-mile 55 m.p.h. speed limit through Cleburne and Calhoun counties on I-20.


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bryant5493 on April 14, 2010, 01:16:50 AM
Alright, here's the first video in my I-22 mini-series. This video follows U.S. 78 from I-20 in Birmingham to Future I-22/Corridor X in Graysville.



Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bryant5493 on April 15, 2010, 09:34:19 AM
This video shows Corridor X westbound, from S.R. 5/Bankhead Highway to S.R. 118/Carbon Hill.



Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on April 15, 2010, 11:49:35 AM
The reason Exit 53/AL 102 isn't signed is because currently the exit only goes to AL 118 to the north, and it doesn't actually connect with AL 102. Plans were to extend AL 102 from its current end at Townley to that interchange, but the project doesn't show up on the five year plan.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bryant5493 on April 15, 2010, 11:58:53 AM
^^

Okay, that's what I thought -- that S.R. 102 didn't connect directly with this interchange, but ALDOT has one of those small road signs on the overpass with "AL-102" on it, which confused me.


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on April 15, 2010, 03:01:21 PM
The reason Exit 53/AL 102 isn't signed is because currently the exit only goes to AL 118 to the north, and it doesn't actually connect with AL 102. Plans were to extend AL 102 from its current end at Townley to that interchange, but the project doesn't show up on the five year plan.

Actually, that is not entirely true.  You can get to AL 102 by making a left at the exit and then a right where the road dead ends.  Though, I have never tried it.  I have only looked at that on a map.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on April 18, 2010, 08:42:11 AM
The reason Exit 53/AL 102 isn't signed is because currently the exit only goes to AL 118 to the north, and it doesn't actually connect with AL 102. Plans were to extend AL 102 from its current end at Townley to that interchange, but the project doesn't show up on the five year plan.

Actually, that is not entirely true.  You can get to AL 102 by making a left at the exit and then a right where the road dead ends.  Though, I have never tried it.  I have only looked at that on a map.

You wouldn't want to try it. Last time I tried it, the road connecting the two, Wire Road, is a dirt/gravel county road for part of the way. The Walker County Commission scraped the original surface of the road down, which left the road in the horrible condition it is in. From the Lost Creek bridge to AL 102, it is a nice asphalt paved road, however.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on April 18, 2010, 11:58:50 AM
The reason Exit 53/AL 102 isn't signed is because currently the exit only goes to AL 118 to the north, and it doesn't actually connect with AL 102. Plans were to extend AL 102 from its current end at Townley to that interchange, but the project doesn't show up on the five year plan.

Actually, that is not entirely true.  You can get to AL 102 by making a left at the exit and then a right where the road dead ends.  Though, I have never tried it.  I have only looked at that on a map.

You wouldn't want to try it. Last time I tried it, the road connecting the two, Wire Road, is a dirt/gravel county road for part of the way. The Walker County Commission scraped the original surface of the road down, which left the road in the horrible condition it is in. From the Lost Creek bridge to AL 102, it is a nice asphalt paved road, however.

Been on enough rural Walker County roads already, so I would not dare to try it.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bryant5493 on April 20, 2010, 11:38:43 PM

Here's Future I-22 between Bankhead Highway/U.S. 78 East/S.R. 5 in Graysville and its temporary eastern terminus at Jefferson C.R. 77/Coalburg Road.


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on April 22, 2010, 08:19:50 AM
ALDOT has advertised a May 21 letting (http://www.dot.state.al.us/Docs/Bureaus/Office+Engineer/Project+Letting/ntc_05212010.htm.htm) for the I-65/I-22 interchange. I hope the letting goes without it being withdrawn.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on June 08, 2010, 03:44:08 PM
It is 65 in Alabama
IIRC Parts of I-65 in Alabama are 70 mph or am I mistaken?

So, if I'm right, will they be raising it to 70 once it formally gets I-22 status?


I believe in Alabama the only roads signed at 70 MPH are the interstates.  Non-interstate freeways are 65 MPH. 

I live in Birmingham and I haven't taken a road trip in a while, but I seem to remember most of the 70mph signs had been dropped to 65 or 60.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on June 08, 2010, 04:28:07 PM
It is 65 in Alabama
IIRC Parts of I-65 in Alabama are 70 mph or am I mistaken?

So, if I'm right, will they be raising it to 70 once it formally gets I-22 status?


I believe in Alabama the only roads signed at 70 MPH are the interstates.  Non-interstate freeways are 65 MPH. 

I live in Birmingham and I haven't taken a road trip in a while, but I seem to remember most of the 70mph signs had been dropped to 65 or 60.

Last time I recall, the speed limit on I-459 was 70.  I-65, I-20, and I-59 drop to 60 MPH going through town (I-65 drops to 60 just past the Shelby/Jefferson County line.)  All three of those interstates are 50 MPH when approaching Malfunction Junction.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Scott5114 on June 11, 2010, 10:11:43 AM
So about how far out are we from I-22 being officially "commissioned" and signed in the field?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on June 11, 2010, 11:12:32 AM
At least a few years...more likely 5-10.  FHWA won't allow it until it connects to an Interstate on at least one end, which means building the interchange at I-65 or building part of I-269.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 11, 2010, 11:20:55 AM
FHWA won't allow it until it connects to an Interstate on at least one end,


why can't Mississippi say "screw FHWA" - the road is complete in their state.  Besides, Pennsylvania did that with 99, which for a while didn't connect to anything.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on June 11, 2010, 11:25:00 AM
While the road may be "complete" in their state (as US 78), the shoulders along roughly half of it are not Interstate-standard...not even a paved shoulder in some locations (especially near Fulton and west of Tupelo).  They need to fix both those and the median through New Albany first, and MDOT intends to complete both before one of the connections on either end is built.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 11, 2010, 11:31:56 AM
While the road may be "complete" in their state (as US 78), the shoulders along roughly half of it are not Interstate-standard...not even a paved shoulder in some locations (especially near Fulton and west of Tupelo).  They need to fix both those and the median through New Albany first, and MDOT intends to complete both before one of the connections on either end is built.


those seem like fairly minor quibbles against the interstate-worthiness of a route.  Now having only a single lane of travel, a 35mph advisory Death Curve on the mainline, a 5mph exit ramp with a stop sign for the corresponding entrance, or a set of gas stations and fast food franchises just after the departure from the Pennsylvania Turnpike, I could understand ... but, lack of paved shoulders?  That's minor.

I've driven all of what was Future 22 in 2006 (they may have added a few sections here and there between then and now), and at no point was I wondering to myself "how on earth is this road an interstate and/or will I die around the next bend?"

at the very least, Mississippi could sign the route with red, white, and blue FUTURE/MISSISSIPPI/22 cutout reassurance markers, junction shields, trailblazers, etc.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on June 14, 2010, 12:24:19 AM
Right now, I believe the projected completion date is in Fall 2014.  The bidding was done a few weeks ago, but ALDOT has not awarded the contract to build the interchange with I-65 yet.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on June 14, 2010, 10:24:47 AM
It kind makes you wonder, especially since road building technology has advanced over the years, since say when the Indiana Toll Road, Ohio Turnpike, Penna Turnpike and even New Jersey Turnpikes were all built and those didn't take much more than two years and in some cases less. The Penna Turnpike may have taken a bit longer because of the extensions, but not by a whole lot. In other words, what's the hold up? They need to just sign the bloody thing and be done with it. Heck, when they started building interstates, they obviously didn't connect with each other at first, yet they were signed. So really, what's the freakin' difference??
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 14, 2010, 10:30:55 AM
advances in bureaucratic technology have made our current administrators obstinate and pedantic in ways our ancestors never could've dreamed of.

hooray for progress!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on June 14, 2010, 10:42:14 AM
Then there's this little thing called environmental mitigation.  A lot of those early projects didn't give a rats arse what the construction did to the local environment.  Not so the case anymore...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on June 14, 2010, 10:43:04 AM
Right now, I believe the projected completion date is in Fall 2014.  The bidding was done a few weeks ago, but ALDOT has not awarded the contract to build the interchange with I-65 yet.


I wonder how long it will take until construction starts? I imagine with such a large contract it will take longer than usual to actually award the contract.

If the interchange in AL is completed before MS completes its upgrading, then will AL be allowed to sign its sections as I-22 or will they have to wait until the upgrades in MS are completed?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 14, 2010, 12:23:03 PM
Then there's this little thing called environmental mitigation.  A lot of those early projects didn't give a rats arse what the construction did to the local environment.  Not so the case anymore...


I thought he was asking "what's the holdup in signing 22", which has nothing to do with the fact that we don't use the "salt the earth now, ask questions later" road-building style anymore.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on June 16, 2010, 07:10:35 PM
Construction Contract Awarded For Final Link of Corridor X:

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/construction_contract_awarded.html (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/construction_contract_awarded.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on June 17, 2010, 03:23:24 PM
I find it interesting that some people are complaining in response to that blog entry that an Atlanta based company got the job AND had the lowest bid. I wish an Alabama firm had gotten the job too, but the lowest bid is the lowest bid. If someone in Alabama had been picked and DIDN'T have the lowest bid then some poeple would cry foul and claim corruption, graft and back room deals. And rightfully so.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 17, 2010, 03:25:38 PM
damn dirty Atlantan foreigners displacing hardworking Americans!  Maybe we should erect a fence around I-285 to keep them out of our country.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on June 17, 2010, 03:27:40 PM
What many don't realize is that the Atlanta-based company is probably a general contractor. He will use subcontractors that are probably from around the area because it is cheaper to mobilize.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on June 22, 2010, 11:30:21 AM
If the interchange in AL is completed before MS completes its upgrading, then will AL be allowed to sign its sections as I-22 or will they have to wait until the upgrades in MS are completed?

What upgrades does MS have to do? I figured they were done. And what are TN's plans on their end? The road just kind of dumps down to the surface on to a four lane road/highway. Will there be an interchange on their end at all? Or only if Memphis gets an outer loop?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on June 22, 2010, 12:13:15 PM
Quote
What upgrades does MS have to do? I figured they were done.

Nope, not done.  About half the distance in Mississippi lacks paved shoulders, so that's the main thing needing to be done.  There's also the median through New Albany, which (unless it's been upgraded recently) is effectively a 1-ft wide curb.  DEFINITELY sub-standard and needing upgrading to at least a Jersey barrier.

Quote
And what are TN's plans on their end?

No plans in Tennessee.  I-22 will either end at I-269 (once it's built), or will follow I-269 to end at I-55/69.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alex on June 22, 2010, 01:05:42 PM
Quote
What upgrades does MS have to do? I figured they were done.

Nope, not done.  About half the distance in Mississippi lacks paved shoulders, so that's the main thing needing to be done.  There's also the median through New Albany, which (unless it's been upgraded recently) is effectively a 1-ft wide curb.  DEFINITELY sub-standard and needing upgrading to at least a Jersey barrier.


Definitely still as is.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Anthony_JK on June 22, 2010, 01:12:42 PM
If the interchange in AL is completed before MS completes its upgrading, then will AL be allowed to sign its sections as I-22 or will they have to wait until the upgrades in MS are completed?

What upgrades does MS have to do? I figured they were done. And what are TN's plans on their end? The road just kind of dumps down to the surface on to a four lane road/highway. Will there be an interchange on their end at all? Or only if Memphis gets an outer loop?


From what I am seeing, the plan is to run I-22 through the southernmost portion of the proposed Memphis Outer Loop (I-269) which would extend from the current I-69/I-55/MS 304 interchange eastward to meet with current US 78/Corridor X.

Personally, I'd like to see it extended along the rest of US 78 all the way to I-240 or even westward to where I-240, I-55, and the proposed routing for I-69 would meet...but that would involve a major upgrade of US 78 which would be pretty costly.


Anthony
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: golden eagle on June 22, 2010, 05:41:27 PM
The problem with 78 in the very southern end of Memphis is that it's in an industrialized area.

I did find an article, however, on the study of possible upgrades for 78 through Memphis (http://www.memphisindustrialwarehouse.com/2009/08/19/bnsfus78-corridor-article-memphis-daily-news-819-logisticsdistribution/).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: TheStranger on June 22, 2010, 06:42:35 PM
The problem with 78 in the very southern end of Memphis is that it's in an industrialized area.

I did find an article, however, on the study of possible upgrades for 78 through Memphis (http://www.memphisindustrialwarehouse.com/2009/08/19/bnsfus78-corridor-article-memphis-daily-news-819-logisticsdistribution/).

Interesting quote here, though I suspect it's just a typo (or optimistic speculation) -

Discovery period
In its study, Cambridge Systematics researchers will look at several components of the Lamar corridor, which doubles as U.S. 78 and someday will become Interstate 22. First, the firm will take an inventory of existing conditions, such as truck traffic counts from the state line to I-240, as well as on arterial roads.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on June 22, 2010, 09:54:39 PM
Or just a case of a journalist either making an assumption or speculation...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: SSF on June 23, 2010, 11:30:49 PM
Yea, that stretch of 78 just off  I-240 is unusable as a upgrade while still providing a high level of service.  It being farily level would make grade separation very tough, the intermodal yard would complain to no end, and Mississippi-Tennessee would have to coordinate their work(always fun getting two states to cooperate on a project; right Illinois-Missouri).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on June 24, 2010, 06:45:46 AM
No real need to coordinate work...Mississippi's stretch is already freeway.  This is fully a Tennessee/Shelby County/Memphis thing.  But ROW costs alone, especially near I-240, would be considerable.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on July 05, 2010, 10:57:46 PM
A few observations I made over the weekend:

1.  New signs on I-65. 

(http://s761.photobucket.com/albums/xx260/jdbarnes1234/101_0264.jpg)

New signs have been put up on I-65 North of I-20/59.  Exit 264 is now noted for Daniel Payne Drive which is what most locals and media refer to this exit as.

2.
(http://s761.photobucket.com/albums/xx260/jdbarnes1234/101_0266.jpg)

In the past month signs advising trucks not to use Coalburg Rd to get to the freeway have been put up.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on July 10, 2010, 02:13:01 PM
Interesting signs. For so long when I was young everything 65 North referenced Nashville and that sign would have said 41st avenue.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: golden eagle on July 10, 2010, 11:27:26 PM
I-65 north used to have Nashville as a control city until around ten years ago when ALDOT started using Huntsville. I don't know why it was never Huntsville all the time, despite that the city is a little ways away from I-65.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: TheStranger on July 10, 2010, 11:28:56 PM
I-65 north used to have Nashville as a control city until around ten years ago when ALDOT started using Huntsville. I don't know why it was never Huntsville all the time, despite that the city is a little ways away from I-65.

From what I've read here, the construction of I-565 was what spurred the control city change.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on July 11, 2010, 12:30:26 AM
Not quite, I-65 used Nashville as a control city for a time after I-565 was built.  The reason it was changed to Huntsville, if I remember correctly, was politics. 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tomahawkin on July 11, 2010, 04:34:15 PM
I love the Fact that a majority of that stretch from Jasper to its current terminus is three lanes on both sides, despite small traffic volumes...I'd guess they are expecting future development in that area (sometime, but not in this economy) because I love the landscape of that area with all the hills...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 12, 2010, 08:46:05 AM
I love the Fact that a majority of that stretch from Jasper to its current terminus is three lanes on both sides, despite small traffic volumes...I'd guess they are expecting future development in that area (sometime, but not in this economy) because I love the landscape of that area with all the hills...

The hills are what make development difficult in that area. Jasper is trying to develop a second industrial park within its city limits close to the existing Bevill Industrial Park, but the hilly terrain is posing challenges in getting it ready for development.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on July 12, 2010, 04:36:28 PM
Not quite, I-65 used Nashville as a control city for a time after I-565 was built.  The reason it was changed to Huntsville, if I remember correctly, was politics. 

This may be crazy off the wall and totally untrue, but I will throw it out there. I had heard rumors that Huntsville wasn't on there because of the Redstone Arsenal. That if ever there were a land invasion, they figured it would make it a tad more difficult for an invading force to use our interstate system to find it.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on July 12, 2010, 05:26:17 PM
The justification mentioned in the previous post for not using Hunstville as a control city on I-65 sounds so ridiculous and absurd that it probably is true.

As far as I am concerned, it should be Birmingham, anyway, but it probably was politics that changed it, as well as growth in the Huntsville metropolitan area.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on July 12, 2010, 05:31:11 PM
One more post, this time germaine to the I-22 topic.  I last drove the section of US 78 between Birmingham and Memphis in 1998.  At that time, the entire freeway was complete in Mississippi, but most of the roadway had the infamous gravel shoulders, except for the last sections completed, where the shoulders were paved from the start.

Have any sections of US 78 in Mississippi had their shoulders paved or other improvements made to the roadway to bring them up to interstate standards since 1998?  Once I-22 is complete and signed in Alabama, will I-22 be signed as I-22 immediately in Mississippi, or will we still be dealing with "Future" signs, etc for years to come in that state?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 13, 2010, 07:15:00 AM
Have any sections of US 78 in Mississippi had their shoulders paved or other improvements made to the roadway to bring them up to interstate standards since 1998?  Once I-22 is complete and signed in Alabama, will I-22 be signed as I-22 immediately in Mississippi, or will we still be dealing with "Future" signs, etc for years to come in that state?

The section between New Albany and Tupelo has recently been upgraded with paved shoulders.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lamsalfl on July 16, 2010, 08:34:03 PM
bone, shag, and/or generally engage in sexual congress with the northern beltline.  I'd much rather see that money (or some of it) to extend I-22 to I-20 near the airport.  That's a much more critical link for NATIONAL movements.

if you're going to censor an obscenity, please do so in a manner a bit more creative than the initial-asterisk-asterisk-asterisk method!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on July 17, 2010, 07:13:52 AM
Whether extending I-22 to I-20/59 is a "much more critical link" than the Northern Beltline is arguable.  Both would effectively accomplish the same mission...that of connecting I-22 to the west with I-59 to the northeast or I-20 to the east.  And both have major hurdles to overcome.  While the Northern Beltline is *A LOT* of new-mileage construction to accomplish, extending I-22 faces major right-of-way and environmental cleanup issues, nevermind how to adequately tie it into I-20/59 (likely with C/D roads, which also runs into the ROW issue).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: The Premier on July 17, 2010, 02:38:40 PM
Whether extending I-22 to I-20/59 is a "much more critical link" than the Northern Beltline is arguable.  Both would effectively accomplish the same mission...that of connecting I-22 to the west with I-59 to the northeast or I-20 to the east.  And both have major hurdles to overcome.  While the Northern Beltline is *A LOT* of new-mileage construction to accomplish, extending I-22 faces major right-of-way and environmental cleanup issues, nevermind how to adequately tie it into I-20/59 (likely with C/D roads, which also runs into the ROW issue).
Not to mention the number of homes and businesses in that area. While it makes sense to terminate I-22 at either I-20/59 or at I-20, it will require a lot of work in terms of ROW.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 19, 2010, 07:49:25 AM
Whether extending I-22 to I-20/59 is a "much more critical link" than the Northern Beltline is arguable.  Both would effectively accomplish the same mission...that of connecting I-22 to the west with I-59 to the northeast or I-20 to the east.  And both have major hurdles to overcome.  While the Northern Beltline is *A LOT* of new-mileage construction to accomplish, extending I-22 faces major right-of-way and environmental cleanup issues, nevermind how to adequately tie it into I-20/59 (likely with C/D roads, which also runs into the ROW issue).


Extending I-22 to I-20/59 would give trucks a shorter route to I-20 and Atlanta that avoids Malfunction Junction at I-65 (which is another argument for building the northern beltline). I think that a beltway needs to be built that handles I-65 through traffic as well as through traffic along I-20, I-22, and I-59. I-459 is a great bypass for I-20 and I-59 traffic, but none exists for I-65 traffic or I-22 traffic. Building a bypass for I-65 traffic would be crazy expensive, given the terrain and ROW challenges.

Maybe build an express lane setup for I-65 that goes through the metro area.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on July 19, 2010, 11:03:28 PM
Would it have been possible to extend I-22 to I-459's eastern terminus?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on July 20, 2010, 07:06:05 AM
Not really.  To the south, Birmingham airport is in the way (which also blocks a direct connection to the 20/59 split).  To the north, there are rail yards, mining pits, and residential areas.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 20, 2010, 07:41:59 AM
Would it have been possible to extend I-22 to I-459's eastern terminus?

That is sorta what the Northern Beltline is supposed to do, but nothing can really be extended to I-459's eastern terminus because there is a hospital north of that interchange.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Freewayjim on July 20, 2010, 10:17:28 AM
I love the Fact that a majority of that stretch from Jasper to its current terminus is three lanes on both sides, despite small traffic volumes...I'd guess they are expecting future development in that area (sometime, but not in this economy) because I love the landscape of that area with all the hills...

I would agree, I drove I-22 for the first time not long ago and was highly impressed with this section.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on July 21, 2010, 12:11:30 AM
Would it have been possible to extend I-22 to I-459's eastern terminus?

That is sorta what the Northern Beltline is supposed to do, but nothing can really be extended to I-459's eastern terminus because there is a hospital north of that interchange.

The problem with extending I-22 to I-459 in Trussville is there is that area is developed and would cost alot to tear down, not to mention, that area is also very hilly.  As far as I-22 being extended, from a planning map I saw at UAB, I-22, if built, would meet I-20/59 near the Tallapoosa St Exit.  More than likely, the long-proposed Finley Blvd extension to that area will be built instead.  
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on July 21, 2010, 11:49:51 AM
Collegeville definitely needs the fly over, but it would not replace I-22 in that area. They need to plan to do both.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on July 26, 2010, 03:29:40 PM
There is a big write-up on the I-22 & I-65 on the front page of today's Birmingham News, along with a map of the layout of ramps. It is said it will closely resemble the one 65/459 interchange in Hoover.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Stephane Dumas on July 26, 2010, 04:59:05 PM
I spotted the map of the proposed interchange from
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/07/birmingham_i-65corridor_x_proj.html
I uploaded it on Imageshack
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Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 26, 2010, 05:23:30 PM
The interchange looks symmetrical enough so that if a connection to I-20/59 is built, the remaining ramps would fit into the interchange nicely.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on July 27, 2010, 10:53:08 AM
I wonder if there is bonus money on the table if the firm finishes it ahead of schedule like there was for repairing Malfunction Junction after the tanker truck explosion.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on August 10, 2010, 02:24:18 PM
Taking a trip up to Tupelo yesterday, US 78 has paved shoulders from Fulton to the Alabama line.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: flaroads on August 11, 2010, 09:35:20 PM
Taking a trip up to Tupelo yesterday, US 78 has paved shoulders from Fulton to the Alabama line.

And I was through there on Sunday on my way back from the Memphis area. The future interstate has full-blast freeway grade shoulders on all sections south of Exit 50 except for the New Albany section, where the shoulders are still from when the freeway was constructed. There is some shoulder related construction going on around Exit 73 (MS 9) but that was all I seen going on.

I like the fact that some of the future interstate corridor signs in Alabama (east of Exit 72) actually have the word INTERSTATE in the shield instead of FUTURE. IMHO, it gives the highway a little more legitimacy of having the former over the latter. I also was able to drive the newest two mile section between Exit 91 (CR 105) and Exit 93 (CR 77). There is an initial layer of asphalt extending east of Exit 93 awaiting its final link to Interstate 65. When heading south on I-65 in the vicinity of the proposed interchange I did notice some movement of transmission lines, probably some initial work in regards to the interchange construction.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on August 13, 2010, 04:40:48 PM
I like the fact that some of the future interstate corridor signs in Alabama (east of Exit 72) actually have the word INTERSTATE in the shield instead of FUTURE. IMHO, it gives the highway a little more legitimacy of having the former over the latter.

I have driven that part a number of times over the years and have never noticed that.  I will see if I can find one on my way home this weekend.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: flaroads on August 13, 2010, 11:36:26 PM
Well I know there are a few eastbound and I remember looking back and seeing at least one westbound, if that helps :)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on August 16, 2010, 01:12:44 AM
About a month ago: ALDOT put this sign up on US 78 Westbound at the ramp to Corridor X Westbound:

(http://s761.photobucket.com/albums/xx260/jdbarnes1234/101_0298.jpg)

This is the third sign like this I have seen at this interchange.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on August 16, 2010, 08:23:53 AM
There is some shoulder related construction going on around Exit 73 (MS 9) but that was all I seen going on.

That is probably related to the Toyota plant that is being built around that interchange. A new interchange and some frontage roads have been built for the plant.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: flaroads on August 17, 2010, 06:23:41 PM
^^Yes, I do remember a plant off to the south at that interchange so that must be it. Thanks!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on August 20, 2010, 10:45:33 AM
http://www.memphischamber.com/Articles/DoBusiness/Aero_Milestones.aspx

On page 7 of report in above link, it states that Cambridge Systematics was supposed to issue a final recommendation regarding the Memphis Lamar Avenue/possible I-22 corridor in June 2010.  Does anyone know if final report has been released?

It appears Tennessee has at least some interest in having I-22 directly link with I-240.  I have seen discussions somewhere in the forum about the logistical difficulties in doing so.  That said, if report has not been released, does anyone care to predict recommendation(s) of Cambridge Systematics?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on August 20, 2010, 12:30:05 PM
I think the traffic is there to justify it, especially given the amount of trucks that go through the area and the proximity of Lamar to the BNSF intermodal facility. That said, it will probably cost a lot of money to acquire the needed ROW in some of the areas, but I feel they would recommend extending it, or at least converting some of the major intersections to interchanges.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on August 20, 2010, 01:58:20 PM
The traffic is definitely there to justify it.  But the available ROW definitely IS NOT.  ROW costs and impacts alone are prohibitive enough, especially these days, to prevent a wholesale conversion to freeway, especially between I-240 and Winchester.  A couple grade separations (especially at Shelby) would be possible, but a freeway conversion is basically out of the question unless you have both very deep pockets and can convince the residents/businesses between 240 and Winchester to go along with it.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: TheStranger on August 20, 2010, 04:47:10 PM
Has there been some thought to making I-22 connect with the existing diagonal segment of Route 385 (the segment parallel to US 72 as opposed to the segment that comprises future I-269)?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on August 20, 2010, 05:34:24 PM
There is that possibility, yes, though following I-269 west, believe it or not, would be a more direct route.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: TheStranger on August 20, 2010, 05:56:16 PM
There is that possibility, yes, though following I-269 west, believe it or not, would be a more direct route.


I was thinking more specifically to connect with I-240 (which 269 doesn't) and enter Memphis from that trajectory, though if it is quicker to get to Memphis simply via 269 and 69/55...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on August 21, 2010, 02:02:53 PM
I stumbled across below article from December 9, 2009 Memphis Daily News:

Interesting points: (1) Definition of Lamar Avenue corridor: "the Lamar Avenue corridor – the area bordered by I-240 to the north, the Mississippi state line to the south, Interstate 55 to the west and Hickory Hill to the east."

(2) estimated cost to TDOT of study: "it’s difficult to put a price tag on this study because Cambridge Systematics is contracted by TDOT as an on-call entity to help with various transportation and freight studies throughout the state, but she estimated it at around $200,000."

(3) THE Big Question To Be Answered: “Should the Lamar Corridor be an interstate? Should it be I-22 all the way to 240 and connect?” Lott said. “That’s a big question that needs to be answered. If so, what do we need to do to make it an interstate that connects to an interstate? If it does need to be that, do we leave Lamar as Lamar, a local street?”

So, a distinction between Lamar Corridor and the current Lamar Avenue.  Does anyone know defined Lamar Corridor area well enough to suggest a feasible interstate route within Lamar Corridor that would somewhat parallel the current Lamar Avenue?

http://www.memphisdailynews.com/editorial/Article.aspx?id=46560

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VOL. 124 | NO. 241 | Wednesday, December 09, 2009
FOCUS  Logistics & Distribution
Findings Pinpoint Lamar Corridor’s Troubles
ERIC SMITH | The Daily News
Anyone who has traveled along Lamar Avenue between Interstate 240 and the Mississippi state line knows how congested it can get, with a seemingly endless line of trucks driving both directions and backing up traffic.
Members of the Greater Memphis Chamber’s aerotropolis initiative now have a better idea of the corridor’s horrendous deficiencies.
Cambridge Systematics Inc., a Cambridge, Mass.-based firm that studies transportation assets and needs nationwide, late last week presented the preliminary findings of its Lamar Avenue Corridor Study to the aerotropolis initiative’s access and transportation committee.
The message is clear and not at all surprising: Lamar Avenue has a host of problems that need to be resolved if Memphis wants to continue its role as a critical link in the global supply chain.
The study, which kicked off in the summer, is addressing traffic flows and transportation needs within the Lamar Avenue corridor – the area bordered by I-240 to the north, the Mississippi state line to the south, Interstate 55 to the west and Hickory Hill to the east.
Cambridge Systematics is conducting the study in conjunction with the Memphis Metropolitan Planning Organization, the University of Memphis’ Intermodal Freight Transportation Institute and the chamber.
The Tennessee Department of Transportation assigned Cambridge Systematics to the study following a request from MPO; TDOT has an ongoing contract with Cambridge Systematics to assist local planning organizations around the state.
‘Real-time, on time’
Martha Lott, administrator for the Memphis MPO, said she is pleased with the progress made so far, such as the collection of traffic counts, travel time and truck origins and destinations along the corridor.
“We’re also excited that TDOT has stepped up to the plate with us on this endeavor, because this project – Lamar – would actually be a state project,” she said. “It wouldn’t be a locally managed project.”
Instead, Lott pointed out, any improvements to the Lamar corridor would be managed at the state level, speeding up the planning, funding and execution of potential solutions, the latter of which could be costly.
“With them providing the funding for the study and their involvement, that brings it more home than just the MPO doing a study,” Lott said. “TDOT will get the impacts and the needs and see everything as we move through the study.”
Lott said it’s difficult to put a price tag on this study because Cambridge Systematics is contracted by TDOT as an on-call entity to help with various transportation and freight studies throughout the state, but she estimated it at around $200,000.
Lott said when the Memphis MPO heard about the possibility of having Cambridge Systematics work on the Lamar Avenue corridor issues, she “jumped on it” because the already crowded corridor recently became worse because of the opening of BNSF Railway Co.’s expanded intermodal yard. The site of that yard at Lamar and Shelby Drive is one of many intersections receiving an “F” because it is dysfunctional.
Also, with numerous warehouses, distribution centers and corporate headquarters in the Lamar corridor, the study area is home to some of the city’s most important players in the transportation, logistics and distribution realm.
Members of the committee that discussed some of the existing data include representatives from FedEx Corp., Williams-Sonoma, Memphis International Airport, Belz Enterprises, Commercial Advisors and the offices of U.S. Sens. Bob Corker and Lamar Alexander and U.S. Rep. Steve Cohen.
“With the freight community, ‘real-time, on-time’ is what’s important to them,” Lott said. “And if they can’t do it via truck, they’re going to find another avenue.”
The big ‘what if’
One point of emphasis during the meeting was how that stretch of Lamar Avenue is important not only to Memphis, but to Tennessee as an entry point for the state and to the entire U.S., which relies on the movement of goods up and down the corridor for nationwide commerce.
Cambridge Systematics will now finish data collection with help from the U of M’s Intermodal Freight Transportation Institute. TDOT and MPO will go through recommendations, and Lott said the organizations will first target “low-hanging fruit,” such as better traffic signalization and extending some turn lanes, which can be accomplished without too much time and investment.
Then, the organizations will start developing phases for environmental impact studies and transportation planning reports, which will strive to answer perhaps the biggest question of all concerning Lamar Avenue:
“Should the Lamar Corridor be an interstate? Should it be I-22 all the way to 240 and connect?” Lott said. “That’s a big question that needs to be answered. If so, what do we need to do to make it an interstate that connects to an interstate? If it does need to be that, do we leave Lamar as Lamar, a local street?”
Last, TDOT and MPO will consider much broader enhancements, such as widening part or all of Lamar or even turning the avenue into a limited-access highway.
The final report will be delivered in June with solutions being implemented soon after.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on August 26, 2010, 03:19:34 PM
Just received a reply from TDOT regarding the status of the Cambridge Systematics Lamar Corridor study:

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The draft of the study being done by Cambridge Systematics is now expected to be ready the second week in September. After review by the Memphis Metropolitan Organization and the Department's Systems and Policy Planning office, the final report should be ready around the middle of October.
 The study will identify possible alternative solutions for improving the movement of freight, relieving congestion, levels of service, etc. Some of the categories of solutions are expected to be directed at capacity enhancements, diversion routes, operational solutions, and improvements to other roadways in the study area. Exactly what the report will recommend will not be known until it is finalized.

It will be interesting to see if extension of I-22 to I-240 link is officially eliminated.  I guess that would then put the question of the location of the western terminus in MDOT's court.

EDIT

 I don't want to read too much into a subject line, but I did not mention I-22 in my subject line to TDOT.  Theirs is as follows:

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REF: Cambridge Systematics' Study of Lamar Avenue and I-22 Corridors in Memphis, Shelby County

Should be an interesting study.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on August 27, 2010, 11:13:48 AM
It will be interesting to see if extension of I-22 to I-240 link is officially eliminated.  I guess that would then put the question of the location of the western terminus in MDOT's court.

Sorry, I forgot that MDOT had addressed this question in a May 25 email to me:

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The feds have the final call on the limits of I-22.  MDOT currently anticipates the western termini of I-22 to be the new I-269 route unless Tennessee upgrades their section of US 78.

This may have been addressed elsewhere, but, assuming I-22 terminates at I-269, will this create an exit renumbering nightmare for MDOT? [I have not asked MDOT this question; waiting to see what Tennessee does.]
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on August 28, 2010, 05:10:03 AM
It will.  When MDOT added exit numbers to US 78 about 10 years ago, they were numbered starting at the TN line.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on August 30, 2010, 06:35:32 AM
Avenue in this sense does not necessarily mean a given streetname.  It can also mean mode.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: mightyace on August 30, 2010, 06:39:01 AM
they’re going to find another avenue...

It's an expression for "we'll have to try something else" and it is often used for something other than highways.  Still, hard to say whether they wordplay was intended or not.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alps on August 30, 2010, 06:41:47 PM
they’re going to find another avenue...

Avenue in this sense does not necessarily mean a given streetname.  It can also mean mode.




It's an expression for "we'll have to try something else" and it is often used for something other than highways.  Still, hard to say whether they wordplay was intended or not.

Um, guys, he did say "Intended or unintended?"  The more people who explain a joke, the less funny it becomes...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on August 31, 2010, 02:41:34 PM
I got careless and accidentally removed wrong post (thought I had found a good Aug. 27 article to pass on; only problem was it was from 2009 and not 2010) before I could remove the dated post.

It was something along the lines of:

From a Dec. 9, 2009 Memphis Daily News article:

Lamar Avenue has a host of problems that need to be resolved if Memphis wants to continue its role as a critical link in the global supply chain... With the freight community, ‘real-time, on-time’ is what’s important to them ... And if they can’t do it via truck, they’re going to find another avenue.

 :hmmm: Intended or unintended?  :sombrero:

Should allow previous 3 posts to make sense.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on September 03, 2010, 10:47:55 AM
After a bumpy detour into a bad pun, it's time to merge back onto the main topic.  I received an email from MDOT re the anticipated letting of the New Albany interchange (pertinent part as follows):

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MDOT anticipates letting the New Albany interchange project by the end of 2011.  Additionally, there are some other minor upgrades needed along US 78 to bring it up to interstate standards.   There is also a major rubblization project planned for Desoto and Marshall Counties in 2011.

Link to map of the interchange:
http://www.gomdot.com/Home/Projects/Studies/Northern/US78/pdf/MapOfProposedInterchange.pdf
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on September 03, 2010, 03:15:10 PM
^ Those upgrades would complete the needed upgrades to interstate standards. There are now paved shoulders everywhere else as jdb1234 said.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on September 04, 2010, 08:16:59 AM
Including western Marshall County (west of Holly Springs) and east of Fulton?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on September 04, 2010, 04:28:36 PM
I emailed a reply to MDOT in which I asked them to identify the "other minor upgrades", as well as each respective current status and/or anticipated letting date(s).  My overall intent is to see if MDOT intends to complete the upgrades by the anticipated Oct. 15, 2014 completion of ALDOT's I-22/ I-65 interchange, which should then allow signing of the route as I-22.

Will post appropriate parts of reply if and when I receive it.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Scott5114 on September 04, 2010, 10:11:43 PM
Come now. Bad puns are a hallowed tradition in the roadgeek community. :P
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on September 04, 2010, 11:51:11 PM
Come now. Bad puns are a hallowed tradition in the roadgeek community. :P
Thx. I'm still working on my delivery. Disappointed at lack of groans to my most recent GHT "Any Isolated Counties..." post.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on September 05, 2010, 08:42:23 AM
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My overall intent is to see if MDOT intends to complete the upgrades by the anticipated Oct. 15, 2014 completion of ALDOT's I-22/ I-65 interchange, which should then allow signing of the route as I-22.

http://www.gomdot.com/Home/Projects/Updates/Northern/Home.aspx
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on September 05, 2010, 01:51:38 PM
http://www.gomdot.com/Home/Projects/Updates/Northern/Home.aspx
Is it then accurate to say Mississippi cannot sign their portion as I-22 until a final decision is made on the location of the western terminus because of the "exit mileage number" problem created by the possible I-69/ 269 terminus if Tennessee concludes that it will not be cost-effective to create an I-22/ I-240 link?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 06, 2010, 12:35:57 AM
IMO, they can just use the current US-78 exit numbers for I-22 if they have it end @ I-269.  They do this with I-265/KY-841 in Louisville.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on September 12, 2010, 01:09:34 AM
There is also a major rubblization project planned for Desoto and Marshall Counties in 2011.
Here is notice for rubblization project with target completion date of June 28, 2013 (Sept. 28, 2010 letting): http://www.gomdot.com/bidsystem_data/20100928/PROPOSALS/105510901.pdf
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on September 21, 2010, 10:00:06 AM
Just received a reply from TDOT regarding the status of the Cambridge Systematics Lamar Corridor study:

"The draft of the study being done by Cambridge Systematics is now expected to be ready the second week in September. After review by the Memphis Metropolitan Organization and the Department's Systems and Policy Planning office, the final report should be ready around the middle of October.
 
The study will identify possible alternative solutions for improving the movement of freight, relieving congestion, levels of service, etc. Some of the categories of solutions are expected to be directed at capacity enhancements, diversion routes, operational solutions, and improvements to other roadways in the study area. Exactly what the report will recommend will not be known until it is finalized."
Received an email update from TDOT this a.m. Cambridge Systematics has not met the anticipated "second week in September" goal for delivering the draft study to Memphis MPO and TDOT.  TDOT still expecting it "any day now".
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on September 21, 2010, 03:42:25 PM
I drove through the area where the I-65/I-22 interchange is supposed to be constructed. I thought construction was supposed to begin now, but nothing has happened at the site. Any word as to what's causing the delays?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on September 21, 2010, 04:47:09 PM
I drove through the area where the I-65/I-22 interchange is supposed to be constructed. I thought construction was supposed to begin now, but nothing has happened at the site. Any word as to what's causing the delays?

Phase I of the construction is supposed to be linkage of Daniel Payne Drive to I-65 North.  Could you tell if anything was going on there?

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The work, which must be completed by Oct. 15, 2014, will be performed in three or four individual phases to prevent traffic problems, said Steve Hausler, project manager for Archer Western Contractors.
The first part of the project will link Daniel Payne Drive to I-65 North. After that, work will be done on northbound I-65. While that is happening, northbound traffic will shift to I-65 south.
(http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/07/birmingham_i-65corridor_x_proj.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on September 21, 2010, 05:08:20 PM
I drove through the area where the I-65/I-22 interchange is supposed to be constructed. I thought construction was supposed to begin now, but nothing has happened at the site. Any word as to what's causing the delays?
Phase I of the construction is supposed to be linkage of Daniel Payne Drive to I-65 North.  Could you tell if anything was going on there?

"The work, which must be completed by Oct. 15, 2014, will be performed in three or four individual phases to prevent traffic problems, said Steve Hausler, project manager for Archer Western Contractors.

The first part of the project will link Daniel Payne Drive to I-65 North. After that, work will be done on northbound I-65. While that is happening, northbound traffic will shift to I-65 south. "
(http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/07/birmingham_i-65corridor_x_proj.html)

I couldn't tell if anything was going on there. Construction signs are still up for the project to widen I-65 from I-20/59 to Daniel Payne Dr, but I think there are just some punch list items left on that project since most of the major items have been completed. There are no construction signs between Daniel Payne Dr and Walker's Chapel Rd where the work is supposed to take place.

My guess is that utilities still need to be moved before the work can begin.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on September 21, 2010, 06:55:37 PM
The first part of the project will link Daniel Payne Drive to I-65 North. After that, work will be done on northbound I-65. While that is happening, northbound traffic will shift to I-65 south. "
(http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/07/birmingham_i-65corridor_x_proj.html)

I'll probably drive through their Sunday to check it out but I doubt anything's changed like you've said. Even still, I thought the interchange was further north then that. I don't even see how Daniel Payne/41st Ave has anything to do with it - or whatever link is needed that isn't already there. The two on and off ramps have already been upgraded.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on September 21, 2010, 08:25:06 PM
Looking at the interchange illustration on the link, it looks like they will extend the Daniel Payne/41st on ramp and have it parallel I-65 North for a while so that it can fork for either I-65 North or I-22 West.  Since they may still be clearing utilities, it is very possible there is not anything noticeable yet.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on September 21, 2010, 08:27:13 PM
The first part of the project will link Daniel Payne Drive to I-65 North. After that, work will be done on northbound I-65. While that is happening, northbound traffic will shift to I-65 south. "
(http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/07/birmingham_i-65corridor_x_proj.html)

I'll probably drive through their Sunday to check it out but I doubt anything's changed like you've said. Even still, I thought the interchange was further north then that. I don't even see how Daniel Payne/41st Ave has anything to do with it - or whatever link is needed that isn't already there. The two on and off ramps have already been upgraded.

Actually, only the Northbound I-65 ramp to Daniel Payne Drive and the ramp from Daniel Payne Drive to I-65 Southbound have been upgraded.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on September 21, 2010, 08:58:19 PM
Looking at the interchange illustration on the link, it looks like they will extend the Daniel Payne/41st on ramp and have it parallel I-65 North for a while so that it can fork for either I-65 North or I-22 West.  Since they may still be clearing utilities, it is very possible there is not anything noticeable yet.
Actually, only the Northbound I-65 ramp to Daniel Payne Drive and the ramp from Daniel Payne Drive to I-65 Southbound have been upgraded.
Although the interchange illustration does not indicate it, I assume the far-right lane of the I-22 East to I-65 South ramp will, because of close proximity of Daniel Payne Drive, become an exit-only lane for Daniel Payne Drive, which would explain why there is no current upgrade from I-65 South to Daniel Payne Drive ramp.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on September 22, 2010, 03:14:09 PM
Actually, only the Northbound I-65 ramp to Daniel Payne Drive and the ramp from Daniel Payne Drive to I-65 Southbound have been upgraded.

Ooops, yeah - of course. That's what I meant to say. Those are the only two I've used on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on September 30, 2010, 05:43:30 PM
Mississippi DOT recently awarded an approximate $40 million contract for a 3-year reconstruction of Future I-22 between Coldwater River and West Holly Springs Exit: http://www.gomdot.com/bidsystem_data/20100928/LETDOCS/20100928BidAwards.pdf

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AWARDED SUBJECT TO CONCURRENCE BY THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION
NH-0006-01(084) / 105510301 & 302
DESOTO & MARSHALL COUNTIES - Reconstruction of U.S. Highway 78 (rubblizing,
milling, removal of concrete, and overlaying) between Coldwater River and the West Holly
Springs Exit
LEHMAN-ROBERTS COMPANY
PO BOX 1603
MEMPHIS, TN 38101 $39,978,826.01
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on October 22, 2010, 12:16:14 PM
"The draft of the [TDOT-financed] study being done by Cambridge Systematics [of Lamar Corridor] ... will identify possible alternative solutions for improving the movement of freight, relieving congestion, levels of service, etc. Some of the categories of solutions are expected to be directed at capacity enhancements, diversion routes, operational solutions, and improvements to other roadways in the study area. Exactly what the report will recommend will not be known until it is finalized."

HUD, in conjunction with Dept. of Transportation, has awarded a grant of $1.26 million to Memphis:

http://cohen.house.gov/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1320

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Wednesday, 20 October 2010  
WASHINGTON, D.C. – Congressman Steve Cohen (TN-9) today announced the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) has awarded Memphis a Community Challenge Grant worth $1,260,905 for development of an Aerotropolis/Lamar Corridor Master Plan.  HUD worked with the U.S. Department of Transportation in awarding these new federal funds, which will focus on spurring economic development, rehabilitating blighted and vacant properties, and improving transportation infrastructure.
"The Memphis Aerotropolis is more than a transportation network – it is an economic development engine for the Mid-South,” said Congressman Cohen, who met recently with Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood to discuss this grant.  “These new federal funds will help Memphis maximize the economic impact of the Aerotropolis and enable us to compete more effectively in a 21st Century global economy...”

Here is text of a related bill that Congressman Cohen introduced in May that could potentially generate more federal funds for Lamar Corridor:

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H.R.5236 -- Aerotropolis Act of 2010 (Introduced in House - IH)
HR 5236 IH
111th CONGRESS
2d Session
H. R. 5236
To amend SAFETEA-LU to ensure that projects that assist the establishment of aerotropolis transportation systems are eligible for certain grants, and for other purposes.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
May 6, 2010
Mr. COHEN (for himself, Mr. DINGELL, Ms. MOORE of Wisconsin, Mr. TANNER, Mr. CHILDERS, Mr. BERRY, Mr. CONYERS, Mr. JOHNSON of Georgia, Ms. GRANGER, Ms. EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. PERLMUTTER, Mr. PAYNE, Mr. PASCRELL, and Mr. YARMUTH) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure
BILL
To amend SAFETEA-LU to ensure that projects that assist the establishment of aerotropolis transportation systems are eligible for certain grants, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Aerotropolis Act of 2010'.
SEC. 2. PROJECTS OF NATIONAL AND REGIONAL SIGNIFICANCE.
(a) Eligible Project Defined- Section 1301(c)(2) of SAFETEA-LU (23 U.S.C. 101 note) is amended to read as follows:
`(2) ELIGIBLE PROJECT-
`(A) IN GENERAL- The term `eligible project' means any surface transportation project eligible for Federal assistance under title 23, United States Code, including freight railroad projects and activities eligible under such title.
`(B) INCLUSION OF AEROTROPOLIS TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM PROJECTS- The term `eligible project' includes a combination of projects described in subparagraph (A) that, as a group--
`(i) assist the establishment of an aerotropolis transportation system; and
`(ii) satisfy the requirement under subsection (d).'.
(b) Aerotropolis Transportation System Defined- Section 1301(c) of SAFETEA-LU (23 U.S.C. 101 note) is amended by adding at the end the following:
`(4) AEROTROPOLIS TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM- The term `aerotropolis transportation system' means a planned and coordinated multimodal freight and passenger transportation network that, as determined by the Secretary, provides efficient, sustainable, and intermodal connectivity to a defined region of economic significance centered around a major airport.'

It will be interesting to see how, if at all, current Cambridge Systematics study on Lamar Corridor being conducted for TDOT and Memphis MPO will be integrated into this study.

My guess is that officials would like to see an I-22 on east side of airport, know that it would be incredibly expensive, and are proactively looking for justifications and money to do it.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on November 06, 2010, 04:12:24 PM
Another step towards I-22 in Mississippi: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/nov/06/funding-to-help-us-78-upgrade/:

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Mississippi will get nearly $1 million in federal transportation funds to help upgrade U.S. 78 to interstate highway standards in anticipation of the future Interstate 22 along the route.
A total of $943,218 was allocated to the Mississippi Department of Transportation for improvements along a 33.3-mile section of U.S. 78, from the Coldwater River Bridge in DeSoto County southeast through Marshall County to the Benton County line.
The work will include paving improvements, lengthening exit and entrance ramps, replacing the bridge bearing pad and other work ...
[Memphis Commercial Appeal, 11/6/10]

I drove through the area where the I-65/I-22 interchange is supposed to be constructed. I thought construction was supposed to begin now, but nothing has happened at the site. Any word as to what's causing the delays?

Any visible signs of construction on I-22/I-65 interchange since Sept. 21-22 posts that began with above post?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jemacedo9 on November 06, 2010, 04:33:39 PM
...just realized that it's interesting that I-22 and US 78 are linked, just as I-78 and US 22 (PA and NJ) are linked...maybe a new topic/thread?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on November 06, 2010, 04:43:36 PM
...just realized that it's interesting that I-22 and US 78 are linked, just as I-78 and US 22 (PA and NJ) are linked...maybe a new topic/thread?
It would be interesting to see how many "pairs" exist.  Why don't you re-post topic on "General Highway Talk"?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: english si on November 06, 2010, 05:32:44 PM
and they add up to 100!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on November 06, 2010, 11:40:14 PM
Any visible signs of construction on I-22/I-65 interchange since Sept. 21-22 posts that began with above post?


I haven't been down to see it, but according to this news article (http://www.abc3340.com/Global/story.asp?S=13310744), construction is now underway. Maybe jdb1234 can shed some light on it since he's in the Birmingham area.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: sglaughlin on November 06, 2010, 11:50:57 PM
It is, went by the construction site today.  Blasting is going on, and you can see the (future) I-22 from I-65.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on November 10, 2010, 07:57:43 AM
Received email from TDOT re their study of Lamar Avenue and relationship to recent federal grant.  Pertinent part as follows:

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TDOT is on the agenda for the Nov. 18 meeting of the Memphis MPO to discuss its findings on the Lamar Avenue study.  We agreed to provide Cambridge additional time for the study in order to incorporate a detailed benefit/cost analysis of various alternatives.  This additional work was requested by stakeholders with the idea of streamlining the process of launching the "next step," i.e. an environmental document.
 In fact, it is my understanding that the grant proposal that the Memphis region submitted to USDOT and HUD included funding for an environmental document for Lamar Avenue improvements.  An environmental document will certainly build on the technical work done in the TDOT-sponsored study.  Obviously there would need to be additional public involvement to satisfy federal NEPA requirements, and that outreach could generate the need to evaluate additional factors.
 However, the information I have received from the Memphis MPO was that the awarded funds are only from HUD, not USDOT.  I have therefore asked the MPO to obtain clarification about whether the funds can still be used for the Lamar Avenue portion of the proposal.  I have not heard an answer at this point in time.
Yes, the final TDOT report will be available for public review and distribution.  We will not finalize the report until after the MPO board meeting next week, since there will likely be discussion and perhaps additional questions raised.
I appreciate your interest and would be glad to receive any questions or comments you would like to share.

Release from Memphis Mayor Wharton provides some context to above email: http://mayoracwharton.wordpress.com/2010/10/29/memphis-america%E2%80%99s-aerotropolis-and-airport-city-receives-1-2-million/

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The City of Memphis Aerotropolis /Lamar Corridor Initiative is budgeted at $2.273 million.  This $1.2 million grant will be used to fund the overall work program.  This includes:  (1) a business development professional will be hired to recruit businesses to the corridor; (2) a Real Estate Market Analysis will be performed and become a part of the overall Aerotropolis/Airport City Masterplan; (3) An Environmental Engineering Study (NEPA) phase of the project will be performed – this is the next step in continuing improvements for Lamar/I-22.  The overall budget for the project is $2.273 million, of which this $1.2 million would go towards; (4) a Commercial and Industrial Corridor/Urban Triage incentive fund designed to leverage private investment in the study area.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on December 10, 2010, 09:46:20 PM
Not surprisingly, study found that interstate alternative reduced travel time the most, but that six-lane and eight-lane upgrades to Lamar Avenue would be more cost-effective.  Maybe TDOT will put actual study report (incorporating MPO & TDOT comments) on-line in near future.
Interesting sidenote:  an assumption of the study was that I-269 would be completed by 2030.

Relevant minutes to Lamar Corridor study:

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7) Lamar Avenue Corridor Study
Mr. Bob Rock, TDOT and Mr. Dike Ahanotu, Cambridge Systematics gave a presentation on the Lamar Avenue Corridor Study
In July 2009, the Memphis MPO requested TDOT’s Long Range Planning Division to conduct a study on the Lamar Corridor identifying the challenges and potential solutions for the corridor The corridor study looked at the area between I-240 and TN/MS state line and areas next to the Airport and the Burlington Northern / Sante Fe Yard University of Memphis did a level of service analysis on Lamar Corridor which measured the traffic flow. Truck following data was also looked at, to find if the trucks remained in the study area or not In December, 2009 the draft report of the current conditions was completed and presentation given to MPO Staff and Aerotropolis Committee In May, 2010 the study was expanded to look at 9 alternatives and compute projected cost Alternatives were looked at in 3 different categories:
o Adding capacity to Lamar Ave, making it 6 lanes, or 8 lanes for the entire stretch along the corridor.
o Also looked at creating an entire corridor to an Interstate level
o Looked at expanding neighboring corridors such as Stateline Road, Holmes Road and Shelby Drive. Operational solutions, such as improving intersections and coordinating signalization, were also looked at TDOT along with Cambridge Systematics has prepared a draft report for the study and both TDOT and the MPO have reviewed the document and made comments The study found that the Interstate highway alternative reduced travel time better than the six and eight lane alternatives. While the six lanes and eight lane alternatives did not reduce travel as much as the Interstate alternative, the six and eight lane alternatives were more cost effective than the Interstate alternative. The study also found that improvements to State Line Road, Holmes Road, and Shelby Drive did not reduce travel time. This was due to the assumption that I-269 would be built by the year 2030. TDOT also wanted input on potential development along the Lamar Corridor. The next step of this study is to get public input and to coordinate with other planning studies with the proposed development in the Lamar Corridor study area.
http://memphismpo.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=89&Itemid=77
(click on Nov. 18 TPB minutes on bottom right-hand corner of page; Lamar Corridor on page 3/4 of pdf)

I wonder if TDOT's desire to have input re potential development in the area is at least partially an effort to counter the cost-effectiveness conclusion of the study and keep alive the notion of an I-22 connection to I-240?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on December 11, 2010, 08:24:34 AM
Doubtful.  TDOT has to realize that trying to extend I-22 up Lamar will be a right-of-way nightmare, especially the closer one gets to I-240.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jwolfer on December 11, 2010, 10:59:01 AM
will US 78 be moved back on to surface roads, be multiplexed or decomissioned
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: agentsteel53 on December 12, 2010, 12:31:55 AM
returning it to surface streets would make the most sense, like US-40 was done in Ohio.  A sequence of discontinuous MS-178 alignments is not particularly helpful for navigational purposes.

really anything is fine by me so long as those two old TENN-US 78 shields survive...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on December 13, 2010, 10:57:02 AM
I would expect US 78 to return to it's former alignment in Alabama once I-22 is ocmpleted. Not sure how MS will handle it, though.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on December 13, 2010, 01:12:42 PM
Given AASHTO policy, I doubt US 78 will return to its original alignment.  It will likely be multiplexed.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 13, 2010, 03:27:56 PM
With it's western terminus in Memphis, I don't see a particular problem with simply decommissioning US 78 west of Birmingham.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on January 24, 2011, 09:17:03 PM
Newspaper article indicates recent bad weather has not slowed down the project.  Article also indicates that ALDOT still plans to let I-22/US 31 interchange project this year, with both projects scheduled to be completed in 2014 (article has one photo of construction work near Daniel Payne Drive):

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/01/i-22_project_on_course_weather.html

Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Henry on February 11, 2011, 11:03:27 AM
Doubtful.  TDOT has to realize that trying to extend I-22 up Lamar will be a right-of-way nightmare, especially the closer one gets to I-240.


There's always the option of routing it west onto I-269.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on February 11, 2011, 12:41:09 PM
There is, but just as possible is simply ending it at I-269.....there's precedent for such.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on February 11, 2011, 07:39:45 PM
"The feds have the final call on the limits of I-22.  MDOT currently anticipates the western termini of I-22 to be the new I-269 route unless Tennessee upgrades their section of US 78" [quoting a MDOT email].
This may have been addressed elsewhere, but, assuming I-22 terminates at I-269, will this create an exit renumbering nightmare for MDOT?

It will.  When MDOT added exit numbers to US 78 about 10 years ago, they were numbered starting at the TN line.

The study found that the Interstate highway alternative [for Lamar Corridor in Memphis] reduced travel time better than the six and eight lane alternatives. While the six lanes and eight lane alternatives did not reduce travel as much as the Interstate alternative, the six and eight lane alternatives were more cost effective than the Interstate alternative.

TDOT has to realize that trying to extend I-22 up Lamar will be a right-of-way nightmare, especially the closer one gets to I-240.
There's always the option of routing it west onto I-269.

There is, but just as possible is simply ending it at I-269.....there's precedent for such.

Assuming Memphis MPO & TDOT will eliminate the Interstate alternative for Lamar Corridor, I wonder if MDOT would reconsider its current position and look to the precedent of I-26 extending north (west in terms of I-26's directions) of I-81 near Kingsport, TN to end a couple of miles south of VA state line.  In I-22's case, the terminus could be at MS/TN state line and maintain integrity of current exit numbers.  Would avoid hassle of changing exit numbers, but would make things messy for roadgeeks.

It's also interesting to note that, even if Interstate alternative is chosen for Lamar Corridor, then the I-240 intersection would still present the problem of a 2di ending at a 3di; would TDOT continue I-22 westward on I-240 to I-55?

Also, in Birmingham, will section of roadway from I-65 eastward to US 31 be signed as I-22 (creating a tiny I-26-like spur) or simply be considered as long entrance/exit ramps for I-22?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 11, 2011, 07:51:44 PM
Why don't they just reroute it up I-269 to TN-385 and use that highway to connect it to I-240?  Or is the future I-269/TN-385 going to just a partial interchange?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on February 11, 2011, 07:59:09 PM
Why don't they just reroute it up I-269 to TN-385 and use that highway to connect it to I-240?  Or is the future I-269/TN-385 going to just a partial interchange?

Below discussion indicates I-269 to I-55 would be shorter:

Has there been some thought to making I-22 connect with the existing diagonal segment of Route 385 (the segment parallel to US 72 as opposed to the segment that comprises future I-269)?

There is that possibility, yes, though following I-269 west, believe it or not, would be a more direct route.
I was thinking more specifically to connect with I-240 (which 269 doesn't) and enter Memphis from that trajectory, though if it is quicker to get to Memphis simply via 269 and 69/55...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Sykotyk on February 12, 2011, 08:09:33 PM
I think routing it over the I-269 to I-55/I-69 would be best. You can still have the incompatible exit #s in use by simply using the exit numbering for 269 (which would work best if it is signed clockwise). After all, there is precedent in Memphis using the old loop exit numbers for I-40 even though they really don't line up with reality.

Sykotyk
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on March 26, 2011, 05:50:14 PM
The final 0.35 mile section of Alabama's section of I-22, from east of I-65 eastward to US 31, is currently scheduled to be let on June 24 (page 27/53 of the pdf):

http://alletting.dot.state.al.us/FutureLetting/FutureLettings.pdf

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APD-0471(523)
100045131
JEFFERSON CN C P 06/24/2011 0.35
(GPB) GRADE, DRAIN, BASE, PAVE & BRG
SR-4 (CORRIDOR X) FROM EAST OF I-65 TO SR-3(US-31)

Any interesting recent developments on I-22/I-65 interchange construction?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on March 27, 2011, 03:54:07 PM
I will be driving through the I-22/I-65 interchange on April 1st on my way to New Orleans.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lamsalfl on March 27, 2011, 04:08:20 PM
People, I-22 ending at I-269/55 junction is not unprecedented, and not that big of a deal.  Just 5-6 hours to the south you have two examples where an interstate terminates 20-30 miles from the center of the target city... I-55 and I-59.  Those two routes are obviously for New Orleans. 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on March 30, 2011, 11:57:25 AM
I will be driving through the I-22/I-65 interchange on April 1st on my way to New Orleans.

My wife and I drove by it Sunday. I can't tell if anything major has been done but the equipment is definitely there and you can easily see where the current road ends. Fultondale could easily see a lot of good development right around that area, should be exciting. I hope it really won't take two more years.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on March 30, 2011, 02:46:56 PM
Not surprisingly, study found that interstate alternative reduced travel time the most, but that six-lane and eight-lane upgrades to Lamar Avenue would be more cost-effective.  Maybe TDOT will put actual study report (incorporating MPO & TDOT comments) on-line in near future.
I had a recent communication with TDOT re Cambridge Systematics Lamar Corridor study.  They are still making revisions to it after November comments from Memphis MPO.  They hope to finish it in about a month and will then present the revised version to the Memphis MPO, presumably at the May 26 meeting of the Transportation Policy Board.  They are finishing up some work on some intersections/interchanges resulting from MPO comments.  I-22 option presented to the MPO in November was "very expensive".  The report will not be "final" and available for public review until after the MPO officially signs off on it.

Here is a link to a December report from the Memphis Chamber regarding the November presentation to the MPO:

http://www.memphischamber.com/Newsroom/Access/December-2010-(1).aspx
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on March 31, 2011, 10:11:14 AM
Here is a link to a December report from the Memphis Chamber regarding the November presentation to the MPO:
http://www.memphischamber.com/Newsroom/Access/December-2010-(1).aspx

From a roadgeek perspective, this would be a neat solution to the I-22 western terminus question: one of the proposed Southern Gateway routes would connect with I-22 at the MS/TN state line, and I-22 would then be routed over the Southern Gateway for a 2di terminus interchange with I-40 in Arkansas.  You could then have an I-x22 to the Memphis Airport to relieve the congestion along the southern part of the Lamar Corridor and go with a 6-lane or 8-lane widening of Lamar Avenue up to I-240:

http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/location-location/Content?oid=2697539

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The plans — jointly developed by TDOT, the Arkansas State Highway and Transportation Department, the Mississippi Department of Transportation, the Memphis and West Memphis Metropolitan Planning Organizations, and the Federal Highway Administration — offer seven two-mile-wide corridors where a new earthquake-proof bridge and connecting highway could be built ...
Another option adds a new highway connecting to I-22 near the Tennessee-Mississippi state line, leading over the river, and onto I-40.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on April 01, 2011, 10:41:03 PM
Here's a link to a news story (with video from section in Marshall County) of Mississippi's installation of safety cables as part of upgrade to I-22, with installation along entire length of route in Mississippi anticipated to be completed by the end of this year:

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-highway-cables-033011,0,7998714.story
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: ShawnP on April 02, 2011, 10:31:16 AM
Safer than Jersey Barriers? Uhhhhhhhhhh NOOOOO. Safer than nothing but not Jersey Barriers.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on April 02, 2011, 11:09:39 AM
Aren't they safer because they 'catch' the errant vehicle rather than redirecting it back out into traffic?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on April 02, 2011, 12:26:55 PM
Depends on your definition of safe.  Cable barrier does less of a number on the errant car than swiping into a Jersey barrier will do.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on April 04, 2011, 09:17:02 AM
I will be driving through the I-22/I-65 interchange on April 1st on my way to New Orleans.

My wife and I drove by it Sunday. I can't tell if anything major has been done but the equipment is definitely there and you can easily see where the current road ends. Fultondale could easily see a lot of good development right around that area, should be exciting. I hope it really won't take two more years.

After driving through during the weekend. I saw some bridge piers being constructed off the side of I-65. There is also a bridge with beams across part of it being built over I-65 to replace the current 47th Ave bridge. There is mostly a lot of land clearing going on right now.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on April 06, 2011, 11:02:36 AM
I will be driving through the I-22/I-65 interchange on April 1st on my way to New Orleans.

My wife and I drove by it Sunday. I can't tell if anything major has been done but the equipment is definitely there and you can easily see where the current road ends. Fultondale could easily see a lot of good development right around that area, should be exciting. I hope it really won't take two more years.

After driving through during the weekend. I saw some bridge piers being constructed off the side of I-65. There is also a bridge with beams across part of it being built over I-65 to replace the current 47th Ave bridge. There is mostly a lot of land clearing going on right now.

That's cool. We came by it from the city, I thought about it turning around and coming back by but we moved on. I figured north to south might be a better vantagepoint - or at least just worthy of a second look. I'll have to check it out again soon - preferably on a day when they are actually working.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Buummu on April 26, 2011, 08:11:06 PM
I-22 should be extended to I-20...using parts of Northern Beltline......
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on April 26, 2011, 09:36:09 PM
Better idea:  extend it to I-20/59 near the airport.  Less expensive than building that huge chunk of the Northern Beltline.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Buummu on April 27, 2011, 12:29:34 AM
yeah.. that works too, froggie... it would just be easier to end it at i-20/59 interchange.. but i did not know there is a cemetery in the way...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: The Premier on April 27, 2011, 07:56:02 PM
That's one of the reasons there is a sharp curve on the I-20 ramp at its interchange with I-59 is due to the cemetery.

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=33.547261,-86.747103&spn=0.007976,0.013797&z=16 (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=33.547261,-86.747103&spn=0.007976,0.013797&z=16)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 27, 2011, 08:01:49 PM
That's one of the reasons there is a sharp curve on the I-20 ramp at its interchange with I-59 is due to the cemetery.

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=33.547261,-86.747103&spn=0.007976,0.013797&z=16 (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=33.547261,-86.747103&spn=0.007976,0.013797&z=16)

were they trying to drum up some business?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on April 27, 2011, 09:02:51 PM
That's one of the reasons there is a sharp curve on the I-20 ramp at its interchange with I-59 is due to the cemetery.

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=33.547261,-86.747103&spn=0.007976,0.013797&z=16 (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=33.547261,-86.747103&spn=0.007976,0.013797&z=16)

Yeah, and some of us (me) would like it to stay that way.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Buummu on April 28, 2011, 12:46:28 AM
yeah.. i drove on the sharp curve on the I-20 ramp.. it was fun.. but at the same time the cemetery should be moved.. i guess it could be called "Dead Man's Curve" haha.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on May 05, 2011, 11:26:19 AM
yeah.. i drove on the sharp curve on the I-20 ramp.. it was fun.. but at the same time the cemetery should be moved.. i guess it could be called "Dead Man's Curve" haha.

I believe it is called that by the locals.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Buummu on May 05, 2011, 02:41:04 PM
oh i didn't know that.. but yes 25 mph curve.. wow.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on May 05, 2011, 04:39:48 PM
yeah.. i drove on the sharp curve on the I-20 ramp.. it was fun.. but at the same time the cemetery should be moved.. i guess it could be called "Dead Man's Curve" haha.

I believe it is called that by the locals.

It is.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on May 06, 2011, 04:51:14 PM
Both the cemetery and the airport are in the way of building to the 20 and 59 split.  Cemetery more so than the airport, as it blocks the interchange from going west.  The only place I can see it going is near the Tallapoosa St. interchange, in fact, probably demolishing said interchange to make room for I - 22.  That or building ramps to I - 20 / 59 east just east of Tallapoosa St. and builting an exit for East Lake Blvd that exits to / from west 22.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Buummu on May 06, 2011, 09:16:18 PM
I agree with Daniel Fiddler... as well as taking out some buildings and homes along I-22 path towards the future interchange with I-65 that is under construction.... If that is true.. wow money is gonna be so expensive.. and from what i see on Google Maps, it looks like probably 2 or 3 miles before I-22 can meet I-20/59 near their split.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on May 07, 2011, 11:37:07 AM
I had read the idea to connect to tallapoosa was already under consideration.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Buummu on May 07, 2011, 11:26:30 PM
Really.. where did you find that information, Tourian? I am curious.. :)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on May 08, 2011, 07:44:34 AM
It's nothing new.  I commented on something similar in another thread (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2731.msg98838#msg98838).  The Birmingham MPO has been wanting to study an extension of I-22 to I-20/59 for at least 10 years...likely longer.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Buummu on May 08, 2011, 11:41:50 AM
It's nothing new.  I commented on something similar in another thread (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2731.msg98838#msg98838).  The Birmingham MPO has been wanting to study an extension of I-22 to I-20/59 for at least 10 years...likely longer.


I saw your comments in another thread. I agree with what you just said.. there's just too many things to tackle with before extending I-22 farther east... but I would be surprised if Birmingham MPO somehow got funds for it.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on May 14, 2011, 06:56:22 PM
Just a minor sidenote: the speed limit of I-22 in Alabama has been raised from 65 to 70.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alps on May 16, 2011, 10:30:05 PM
Just a minor sidenote: the speed limit of I-22 in Alabama has been raised from 65 to 70.
I would have thought that would only happen once it connects to I-65 and loses "Future" status?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on May 16, 2011, 11:34:47 PM
Just a minor sidenote: the speed limit of I-22 in Alabama has been raised from 65 to 70.

From what I understand, only in Marion and Walker counties.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on June 13, 2011, 07:04:01 AM
This article has a photo with an aerial view of the I-22/I-65 interchange construction:

http://www.bizjournals.com/birmingham/print-edition/2011/06/10/deals-on-wheels.html
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: mgk920 on June 14, 2011, 12:57:20 PM
^^
I see in that image that it looks (almost?) like I-22 is planned to continue on past I-65, perhaps to connect with I-29/59 at the curve by the airport.  Now, if that large cemetery wasn't there, I could easily see I-22 being extended to feed directly into I-20 east at its I-59 split, including a majorly improved connection with the main access road for the airport terminal.

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=33.556703,-86.789761&spn=0.083113,0.175781&z=13

Is there any truth to this observation?

Mike
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on June 14, 2011, 05:16:45 PM
This has probably been mentioned upthread, but I-22 as currently planned/under construction will end at US 31.  About 10 years ago, the regional MPO added a feasibility study to the LRTP to consider extending I-22 to I-20/59, but to my knowledge that study has not happened yet.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on August 20, 2011, 10:10:11 PM
MDOT has recently provided updates to two US 78 upgrade to Interstate 22 projects.  One is anticipated to be completed in 2012 and the other is anticipated to be completed in 2013:
http://www.gomdot.com/Home/MediaRoom/newsreleases/PressReleaseDetail.aspx?ID=815201194811
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on August 28, 2011, 03:08:22 PM
Recent article discusses Cambridge Systematics study of upgrade options for Lamar Avenue.  Three primary options (with estimated cost) are as follows: (1) build interchanges at Holmes and Winchester Roads and Shelby Drive, leaving Lamar at 4 lanes ($213.2 million), (2) build interchanges at Holmes and Winchester Roads and Shelby Drive, expanding Lamar to 6 lanes ($275.1 million), and (3) fully upgrade Lamar to I-22 ($637.9 million).  Here is link:
http://www.memphisdailynews.com/news/2011/aug/26/unlocking-lamar-planners-mull-ways-to-improve-transportation-corridor/

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The city’s major corridor for moving freight is also the city’s most congested roadway. And since June, state and local transportation and logistics planners have had a study that suggests a set of seven options, most of which would represent major changes for Lamar Avenue between the Mississippi state line and Interstate 240.
The study, completed by Cambridge Systematics Inc. of Cambridge, Mass., in association with the University of Memphis and Kimley-Horn & Associates, was commissioned by the Tennessee Department of Transportation.
From the study TDOT officials are looking closely at options that would replace the Lamar intersections at Holmes and Winchester roads and Shelby Drive with interchanges, said Martin Lipinski, University of Memphis civil engineering professor and director of the U of M Intermodal Freight Transportation Institute.
“For us to continue to be one of the premier warehouse distribution centers in the country, these industries need better access and more reliable access to their facilities,” he said. “Just the unreliability of congestion is a factor that concerns everyone interested in economic development in this community.”
The stretch of Lamar is critical to the logistics industry. It includes the BNSF Railway Co. intermodal yard and is within five miles of Memphis International Airport.
There are so many trucking and logistics companies on Lamar that diverting traffic to other streets isn’t seen as effective enough to put a dent in the congestion.
The estimated cost of improving the three interchanges with Lamar remaining at four lanes is $213.2 million. Improving the interchanges and converting Lamar to a six-lane roadway goes up to $275.1 million.
The costliest option would be upgrading Lamar to an interstate. The study pegs the cost of that at approximately $637.9 million.
“I don’t think the analysis of that even really touched on the true cost of all of the right of way,” Lipinski said. “How do you create an interstate and still maintain access to all businesses?”
That’s also an issue with the construction of any interchanges.
“We have difficulty in dealing with purchasing of land, right-of-way cost and more importantly what do you do in the meantime when you are building something like this,” Lipinski said. “How do you stage things so that you don’t actually shut down Lamar for 18 months while you are doing that? These are kind of the issues that are being digested back and forth.”
The study, which Lipinski contributed to, noted the interchanges are key to cutting average delays. The estimate is that converting Lamar to six lanes with the three improved interchanges provides “the best performance of the non-interstate alternatives” with 3.3 minutes of average delay in the simulation used to time out delays.
Leaving Lamar at four lanes with the three interchanges has a 4.4-minute average delay.
In the middle is converting Lamar to six lanes and improving only the interchanges at Winchester and Shelby. The average delay for that option is four minutes and the cost is $248.9 million.
Such time measurements are crucial to logistics companies that operate on tight schedules and need consistency.
“If one day it takes five minutes, the next day it takes a half hour – that’s a real cost to them and they can’t schedule properly,” Lipinski said. “Then you have who is paying for this and that is the taxpayers through TDOT. Then you get into a bind of what is cost effective from the taxpayer’s perspective.”
The Cambridge study is called a final study, but that’s a fluid term in road planning where a final study is often followed by years of public hearings and gaps of months between the hearings.
TDOT wants the Metropolitan Planning Organization, government leaders, those in the logistics industry and other citizens to prioritize what they would like to see on Lamar Avenue.
Lamar always has been a freight corridor since there was a freight business that wasn’t exclusively rail based. But the business has changed rapidly in 30 years.
Containers shipped by boat that first move on the continent by rail and are then put on truck beds are expected to grow in volume with the coming expansion of the Panama Canal making some East Coast ports more important and much busier.
Memphis will feel the impact, which means Lamar Avenue will as well.
“In an old traditional freight yard 30 years ago there was not much truck traffic coming in and out,” Lipinski said referring to the BNSF intermodal facility’s origins as a more traditional freight yard. “Now with the switch to intermodal, with all of these containers coming in (by rail) from Long Beach (Calif.), and Seattle and points West which are then put on rubber tires and put on the street system, it created a whole new level of demand.”
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on September 01, 2011, 08:53:01 AM
Gee whiz. Memphis is still in the talking/study/analysis phase and Birmingham is well into the moving dirt and pouring concrete phase. I drove by it again a couple of days ago after not seeing it for a few months and was well pleased at the progress and the amount of activity. It wasn't the one backhoe with ten guys standing around watching scene I half expected, but a full scale operation with heavy equipment going at full tilt.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on September 01, 2011, 09:46:07 AM
I guess the Memphis leadership didn't really think that Alabama would get its act together on US 78 anytime soon, so they really didn't see a need to press forward. Plus, there has been a lot more truck traffic along Lamar Ave thanks to the new BNSF intermodal facility.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on September 01, 2011, 01:29:57 PM
Regarding the last two posts, it should be noted that Alabama did its planning long ago, and has only been waiting for money for construction.  And that planning was long before the concept of making the corridor an Interstate came up.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on September 01, 2011, 09:04:25 PM
I have not seen a copy of the study, but looking at a map,
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=lamar+avenue+memphis+tn&hl=en&ll=35.025217,-89.90696&spn=0.07113,0.109692&sll=37.932385,-95.576452&sspn=34.851264,56.162109&vpsrc=6&t=h&z=13,
moving northward from the Mississippi state line to the airport, there currently exist an intersection at Davidson, an intersection at Holmes, an intersection at Shelby, a currently existing interchange at Perkins, and an intersection at Winchester.  I assume the plan would involve closing the intersection at Davidson.

To reduce it to simple roadgeek terms, it looks like the choice for the Memphis civic leaders will be to prioritize their overall needs to decide between an I-x22 from the Mississippi state line to the airport or a full-blown I-22 to I-240 at approximately 2.5x the cost of the I-x22 option.  It looks to me like they are trending toward the I-x22 option.

Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on September 05, 2011, 12:36:16 PM
Recent article discusses Cambridge Systematics study of upgrade options for Lamar Avenue.

Here is a link to the Cambridge Systematics/TDOT study of the Lamar Corridor:
http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/LamarAvenueCorridor_June2011.pdf

Extending I-22 along Lamar Avenue would provide the most traffic relief [page 8-12 of study; page 70/81 of pdf]:

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Upgrading Lamar Avenue to an Interstate provides the most traffic relief benefits for Lamar Avenue. It reduces delay the most both for Lamar Avenue and for the study area as a whole. It also provides the lowest travel time for traveling the entire length of Lamar Avenue. It also provides a seamless connection to I-22, which has been constructed along the Lamar Avenue alignment in Mississippi.

However, extending I-22 along Lamar Avenue would not provide the highest benefit/cost ratio [page 8-12 of study; page 70/81 of pdf]:

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Adding lanes to Lamar Avenue provide the highest benefit/cost ratios for all of the Lamar Avenue improvements. This is because their costs are significantly lower than upgrading Lamar Avenue to an Interstate. Making Lamar Avenue eight lanes provides roughly two-thirds of the benefit of upgrading Lamar to an Interstate with only one-third of the cost. Making Lamar Avenue six lanes provides half the benefit with only one-sixth of the costs.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on September 12, 2011, 08:39:40 PM
MDOT anticipates letting the New Albany interchange project by the end of 2011.  Additionally, there are some other minor upgrades needed along US 78 to bring it up to interstate standards.   There is also a major rubblization project planned for Desoto and Marshall Counties in 2011.
Link to map of the interchange:
http://www.gomdot.com/Home/Projects/Studies/Northern/US78/pdf/MapOfProposedInterchange.pdf
MDOT has recently provided updates to two US 78 upgrade to Interstate 22 projects.  One is anticipated to be completed in 2012 and the other is anticipated to be completed in 2013:
http://www.gomdot.com/Home/MediaRoom/newsreleases/PressReleaseDetail.aspx?ID=815201194811
New Albany interchange/I-22 upgrade project is scheduled to be let on September 27:
http://www.gomdot.com/Applications/BidSystem/LettingInfo.aspx?r=0&date=9/27/2011

Here is a link to MDOT's description of the project:
http://www.gomdot.com/Home/Projects/Archives/Studies/Northern/US78/Home.aspx

With this project (scheduled to be completed November 22, 2013: http://www.gomdot.com/bidsystem_data/20110927/PROPOSALS/104095302.pdf), Mississippi should be close to having started all of the upgrades necessary for conversion to I-22.  Does anyone know what else, if anything, will be necessary for the Mississippi upgrade after this project is started?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on September 13, 2011, 07:47:02 AM
Recent article discusses Cambridge Systematics study of upgrade options for Lamar Avenue.
Here is a link to the Cambridge Systematics/TDOT study of the Lamar Corridor:
http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/LamarAvenueCorridor_June2011.pdf

Extending I-22 along Lamar Avenue would provide the most traffic relief [page 8-12 of study; page 70/81 of pdf]:

"Upgrading Lamar Avenue to an Interstate provides the most traffic relief benefits for Lamar Avenue. It reduces delay the most both for Lamar Avenue and for the study area as a whole. It also provides the lowest travel time for traveling the entire length of Lamar Avenue. It also provides a seamless connection to I-22, which has been constructed along the Lamar Avenue alignment in Mississippi."

However, extending I-22 along Lamar Avenue would not provide the highest benefit/cost ratio [page 8-12 of study; page 70/81 of pdf]:

"Adding lanes to Lamar Avenue provide the highest benefit/cost ratios for all of the Lamar Avenue improvements. This is because their costs are significantly lower than upgrading Lamar Avenue to an Interstate. Making Lamar Avenue eight lanes provides roughly two-thirds of the benefit of upgrading Lamar to an Interstate with only one-third of the cost. Making Lamar Avenue six lanes provides half the benefit with only one-sixth of the costs."

As much as I would like to see Lamar Ave upgraded to interstate standards, with the current budget climate, I don't think it will happen all at once or in it's entirety. What I would like to see is interchanges at the major intersections first (Holmes, Shelby, Winchester) along with a reconfiguration of the Getwell Rd interchange so that Lamar is the through route. Build the interchanges to interstate standards. Widen Lamar to at least six lanes through the interchanges. Build frontage roads on either end of the interchange to maintain local access. Then once the interchanges are upgraded, widen Lamar between the interchanges. As money becomes available, build frontage roads on either side of Lamar and close off access between the interchanges. Seems like that would be the best bang for the buck long-term.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on September 13, 2011, 07:57:17 AM
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Does anyone know what else, if anything, will be necessary for the Mississippi upgrade after this project is started?

Since I'm no longer in Mississippi, I haven't been keeping tabs much on US 78, but as of when I left, roughly half the corridor had substandard shoulders.  Assuming those substandard shoulders have all been taken care of, there shouldn't be anything else.

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As much as I would like to see Lamar Ave upgraded to interstate standards, with the current budget climate, I don't think it will happen all at once or in it's entirety.

Given that budget climate, all I see happening is maybe one or two interchanges, period.  Definitely Shelby.  Take your pick on the other.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: SSF on September 16, 2011, 11:04:34 PM
Mississippi was widening the shoulders on a long stretch of 22 when I went through there last weekend.

Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on September 17, 2011, 12:56:13 AM
^^^ US 78 from Fulton to the Alabama line has had shoulders for at least a year.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on September 23, 2011, 06:32:27 PM
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Does anyone know what else, if anything, will be necessary for the Mississippi upgrade after this project is started?
Since I'm no longer in Mississippi, I haven't been keeping tabs much on US 78, but as of when I left, roughly half the corridor had substandard shoulders.  Assuming those substandard shoulders have all been taken care of, there shouldn't be anything else.

I recently emailed MDOT and asked them what other lettings will be necessary for the I-22 upgrade.  Here is the response:

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MDOT has 1 more project on US 78 to let next year that will bring US 78 up to Interstate standards, however at least one end (Alabama or Mississippi) of US 78 must be connected to an existing Interstate before it can be classified as I-22.
Please let us know if we can assist you further.

I have emailed them back and asked them what & where needs to be done.  Instead of waiting for their response before posting, I have decided to issue a roadgeek challenge to those in the area & see if anyone can identify what needs to be done and where.  It may be as simple as a shoulder upgrade project, but where?  Any guesses?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 23, 2011, 06:55:37 PM
just sign the bloody thing as I-22.  slap a FUTURE banner above it in the places where it is not up to interstate standard (I'll bet the general traveling public would never even notice that a shoulder or overpass height is substandard - I certainly didn't when I drove it).  that is how it was done for years, with TEMPORARY banners.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on September 23, 2011, 08:44:42 PM
I took some photos of the construction of the I-65/I-22 interchange earlier this week.  If I have time I may post them.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: flaroads on September 24, 2011, 12:57:57 AM
just sign the bloody thing as I-22.  slap a FUTURE banner above it in the places where it is not up to interstate standard (I'll bet the general traveling public would never even notice that a shoulder or overpass height is substandard - I certainly didn't when I drove it).  that is how it was done for years, with TEMPORARY banners.

Indeed. We know it's going to connect with I-65 at its southern terminus and either with the future I-269, or I-55 via future I-269, or even I-240 at the northern end (if they decide to push the freeway up along or near the U.S. 78 corridor in Memphis), so just sign the damn thing as an interstate. And as mentioned above, TEMP banners were the wave back in the 60's, 70's and 80's for unfinished interstates. I remember as a kid seeing I-75 and I-275 being signed as TEMP along U.S. 41/U.S. 301 and U.S. 19 on unopened portions in southwest Florida back in the early and mid 1980's, so why not do it now?

Heck, we have I-73/I-74 in North Carolina signed fully as INTERSTATE where shoulders are not at interstate standard and signed as FUTURE where they are, so what is the difference really, other than the state(s) in which the freeway resides? Plus the fact that one segment of I-73/I-74 in NC does not connect with another interstate...

I-295 in NC is another example of an interstate that is marked as FUTURE and it does connect with its parent (even though the only movement that is not freeway to freeway connection is from n/b I-95 to w/b FUTURE I-295).

So how do the federal mandates to sign an interstate differ in different states? I've never taken the time to do a thorough research on this, but shouldn't they be the same across the board? Or is it that there are more political influences involved in one state versus another as to getting an interstate to be signed as either as INTERSTATE or FUTURE?

Anyway, @ jdb1234, it would be cool to see some updated photos future I-65/I-22 interchange as I haven't been up that way since earlier this year...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alps on September 25, 2011, 07:30:08 PM


So how do the federal mandates to sign an interstate differ in different states? I've never taken the time to do a thorough research on this, but shouldn't they be the same across the board? Or is it that there are more political influences involved in one state versus another as to getting an interstate to be signed as either as INTERSTATE or FUTURE?
The FHWA operates on a regional level. So one region of the FHWA may be more permissive toward allowing Future signage while others may require waiting until the highway is ready. I think signing it as a plain Interstate is still regulated at the national level, though.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on September 26, 2011, 07:08:32 AM
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Does anyone know what else, if anything, will be necessary for the Mississippi upgrade after this project is started?
Since I'm no longer in Mississippi, I haven't been keeping tabs much on US 78, but as of when I left, roughly half the corridor had substandard shoulders.  Assuming those substandard shoulders have all been taken care of, there shouldn't be anything else.
I recently emailed MDOT and asked them what other lettings will be necessary for the I-22 upgrade.  Here is the response:

"MDOT has 1 more project on US 78 to let next year that will bring US 78 up to Interstate standards, however at least one end (Alabama or Mississippi) of US 78 must be connected to an existing Interstate before it can be classified as I-22.
Please let us know if we can assist you further."

I have emailed them back and asked them what & where needs to be done.  Instead of waiting for their response before posting, I have decided to issue a roadgeek challenge to those in the area & see if anyone can identify what needs to be done and where.  It may be as simple as a shoulder upgrade project, but where?  Any guesses?

I am surprised no one has said....



....challenged accepted.  :sombrero:

I may can squeeze a trip along the route sometime soon.  My guess of the remaining work would probably be additional shoulder work somewhere that isn't included in the scope of the projects underway or about to be underway.  I don't know whether acceleration lanes or length of off ramps and on ramps are adequate or not.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jwolfer on September 26, 2011, 11:20:45 AM
I think I-22 should be extended even east of Birmingham,AL. I would have I-22 follow US 280 East to GA 520. I would have I-22 swallow US 82/GA 520 whole all the way to Brunswick, GA. I think the possibility is there to have an interstate from Memphis to Jacksonville, FL and I-22 would be one of the most traveled routes in the Southeast.

I like very much... give Jax a 3rd Interstate highway!



Post Merge: September 26, 2011, 10:07:02 PM
^^ That's a good idea. Hopefully, I-14 will get built, and maybe an extension of I-185.


Be well,

Bryant

I had my fantasy I-14 go from Jax thru Waycross, Columbus GA... sounds like a similar plan from you

Fixed quote. (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: berberry on September 26, 2011, 10:20:47 PM
I have emailed them back and asked them what & where needs to be done.  Instead of waiting for their response before posting, I have decided to issue a roadgeek challenge to those in the area & see if anyone can identify what needs to be done and where.  It may be as simple as a shoulder upgrade project, but where?  Any guesses?

Not very likely, I don't suppose, but I wonder if it could have anything to do with the U.S. 45 interchange.  I drive through there only very rarely, but if I remember correctly there are no CD lanes on 22, or 45 for that matter.  I haven't heard about any new interstate standards that would make a non-CD cloverleaf obsolete, but I think it would make sense so I'll propose it as a remote possibility. 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on September 27, 2011, 09:31:34 PM
After some technical difficulties, here are my pictures I took a week ago:

From Northbound I-65:

(http://s761.photobucket.com/albums/xx260/jdbarnes1234/100_0438.jpg)

(http://s761.photobucket.com/albums/xx260/jdbarnes1234/100_0439.jpg)

(http://s761.photobucket.com/albums/xx260/jdbarnes1234/100_0440.jpg)

From southbound I-65:

(http://s761.photobucket.com/albums/xx260/jdbarnes1234/100_0448.jpg)

(http://s761.photobucket.com/albums/xx260/jdbarnes1234/100_0450.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: SSF on October 07, 2011, 09:47:17 AM
^^^ US 78 from Fulton to the Alabama line has had shoulders for at least a year.

Yes, it was on the section closer to Olive Branch.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on October 07, 2011, 10:08:48 AM
^^^ US 78 from Fulton to the Alabama line has had shoulders for at least a year.

Yes, it was on the section closer to Olive Branch.

Both sections have it now IIRC.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: berberry on October 07, 2011, 11:47:34 AM
About a week ago in this thread I speculated that the interchange at US 45 might be considered substandard for a new interstate, after someone mentioned an email from an MDOT official who seemed to suggest that some new but unspecified project might still be necessary to bring the road up to interstate standards.  Well, I just drove through 78 @ 45 on my way to Tishomingo Park last weekend (blown away by that place!  absolutely beautiful!  had no idea there was anything like that in this state!!!).  

I don't go through 78@45 often; it's been about 3 years since the last time.  On this recent trip I was paying attention and looking for something that might be wrong.  It seemed to me that those loop ramps were awfully tight for a junction like this, especially considering the proximity to the new Toyota plant.  Could something like tight loops and the short weaving spaces that accompany them render the interchange substandard (assuming that unprotected full cloverleafs aren't themselves ruled out now, which is the theory I was working under before)?

Could an unmodified 78@45 hold up the final designation of this highway as I-22, or is this a non-issue?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alps on October 07, 2011, 06:49:05 PM
About a week ago in this thread I speculated that the interchange at US 45 might be considered substandard for a new interstate, after someone mentioned an email from an MDOT official who seemed to suggest that some new but unspecified project might still be necessary to bring the road up to interstate standards.  Well, I just drove through 78 @ 45 on my way to Tishomingo Park last weekend (blown away by that place!  absolutely beautiful!  had no idea there was anything like that in this state!!!). 

I don't go through 78@45 often; it's been about 3 years since the last time.  On this recent trip I was paying attention and looking for something that might be wrong.  It seemed to me that those loop ramps were awfully tight for a junction like this, especially considering the proximity to the new Toyota plant.  Could something like tight loops and the short weaving spaces that accompany them render the interchange substandard (assuming that unprotected full cloverleafs aren't themselves ruled out now, which is the theory I was working under before)?

Could an unmodified 78@45 hold up the final designation of this highway as I-22, or is this a non-issue?
Interstate qualifications are for mainline criteria, I believe. Tight loop ramps I don't think are sufficient to disqualify. Now, there could be substandard shoulders within the interchange area, or poor crowning, or substandard clearance, etc.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on October 08, 2011, 09:17:06 AM
Loop radii don't matter, but acceleration/deceleration lanes and the angle at which the ramps enter/depart the mainline would matter.  IIRC, the 45/78 intherchange has 20MPH loop ramps.  But I don't remember how the loops interact with the 78 mainline.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alps on October 09, 2011, 10:23:43 PM
I was assuming that at least within the loop you'd have aux lanes, which is why I mentioned shoulder/crowning. I didn't think about the finger ramp speed change lanes. Good point.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on October 11, 2011, 08:14:10 AM
Here is some Google Earth measurements from a few different cloverleaf/par-clo interchanges. I am measuring the outside ramp acceleration lane length plus taper length. I am also measuring the loop ramp weave (or acceleration lane + taper)

1) US 45/US 78 interchange Tupelo, MS

Outside Ramp Measured: SB US 45 to WB US 78
Acceleration Lane Length: 880 ft + 275 ft taper
Weave Section Measured: EB US 78
Weave Section Length: 700 ft

2) I-55/I-69 interchange Hernando, MS

Outside Ramp Measured: I-55 SB to I-69 SB
Acceleration Ramp Length: 600 ft + 225 ft taper
Weave Section Measured: I-69 NB (future I-269 EB) weave
Weave Section Length: 910 ft

3) I-81/I-26 interchange Kingsport, TN

Outside Ramp Measured: I-26 WB to I-81 NB
Acceleration Ramp Length: 460 ft + 325 ft taper
Weave Section Measured: I-81 NB weave
Weave Section Length: 480 ft

4) Parclo: US 78/AL 5 interchange Graysville, AL

Outside Ramp Measured: AL 5 SB to US 78 WB
Acceleration Ramp Length: 820 ft + 820 ft taper
Loop Ramp Measured: AL 5 NB to US 78 WB
Loop Ramp Acceleration Ramp Length: 560 ft + 620 ft taper


Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: berberry on October 11, 2011, 04:36:00 PM
Here is some Google Earth measurements from a few different cloverleaf/par-clo interchanges...

It's always difficult to gauge the size of those ramps from the road.  I hadn't thought of using Google Earth to do it.  Thanks for turning on the light for me.

From the responses you folks have posted, I gather that unprotected full cloverleaf interchanges are indeed still allowed on new interstates.  That doesn't seem right to me.  I think that CD lanes should be required at the least, and cloverstacks should be used more often.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on October 11, 2011, 04:38:21 PM
I think the I-81/I-26 interchange is slated for upgrades at some point, and the I-55/I-69 interchange has CD roads along I-55.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on October 23, 2011, 06:58:42 PM
On ramps from US 31 onto I-65 in Birmingham closed for Corridor X work:

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/10/on-ramps_from_us_31_onto_i-65.html (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/10/on-ramps_from_us_31_onto_i-65.html)

Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on November 09, 2011, 08:01:31 AM
New Albany interchange/I-22 upgrade project is scheduled to be let on September 27:
http://www.gomdot.com/Applications/BidSystem/LettingInfo.aspx?r=0&date=9/27/2011
Here is a link to MDOT's description of the project:
http://www.gomdot.com/Home/Projects/Archives/Studies/Northern/US78/Home.aspx
Although it was let a little later than anticipated (Oct. 25 instead of Sept. 27), MDOT's New Albany project was awarded yesterday, subject to FHWA concurrence [page 2/2 of pdf]:
http://www.gomdot.com/bidsystem_data/20111025/LETDOCS/20111025BidAwards.pdf
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alex on November 09, 2011, 08:27:08 AM
Passed through the future interchange of Interstate 65 with Interstate 22 on Monday. Several pier supports are starting to rise and a good portion of the ramp from Interstate 65 north to Interstate 22 is taking shape. [click for larger images]

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-065_at_i-022_01.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-065_at_i-022_01.jpg)

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-065_at_i-022_02.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-065_at_i-022_02.jpg)

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-065_at_i-022_03.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-065_at_i-022_03.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on November 29, 2011, 07:58:40 PM
Work is 18.9% complete with 30% of the time elapsed, but the "slow" work is almost complete and completion is still anticipated to be around October 15, 2014.  Also the 3000 foot related project to connect I-22 to U.S. 31 is anticipated to be let in June, with work expected to begin in August:
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/11/birminghams_corridor_x_interch.html

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Work on the interchange linking Corridor X and Interstate 65 --the largest road project in Birmingham-area history -- is expected to be completed by its original target date of Oct. 15, 2014, according to the Alabama Department of Transportation.
The $168.6 million project began on Aug. 5, 2010. While 30 percent of the project's time frame has elapsed, the work was 18.9 percent complete as of last week.
ALDOT division engineer Brian Davis said the first phase of the project required blasting away and removing rock before construction could begin. That work typically takes longer than the actual construction, Davis said.
The blasting has to be done in daylight and when it's not raining. The explosive charges have to be strong enough to destroy rock, but weak enough to keep from damaging nearby buildings.
"You know you're going to get behind (during blasting), but we're basically on schedule. We're almost to the items where you can get ahead," Davis said.
In the coming weeks, columns protruding from the ground at the north Birmingham work site will begin looking more like bridges, Davis said.
"It's like an assembly line," Davis said of the upcoming work that will add girders and bridge decking to those columns. "Once you get to that, it starts to look like a bridge."
The finished project -- roughly 1.5 miles with 14 ramps and 14 bridges -- will all but complete Alabama's roughly 96-mile portion of the Birmingham-to-Memphis interstate that will be known as Interstate 22.
The work, which is being performed by the Atlanta-based Archer Western, is the most expensive contract ALDOT has ever awarded, although past contracts might equal that amount if adjusted for inflation.
Future phases will include building "collector/distributor roads" -- basically service roads -- that will divert traffic from I-65 to keep from disrupting traffic as workers rebuild that stretch of interstate. Davis said a date has not been set for when that work will be performed.
The finished product will be a four-level, 85-foot-tall interchange that ALDOT officials have said will be similar to the I-459/65 interchange in Hoover.
Bids will be invited in June for a related project that will build a 3,000-foot stretch of road linking I-22 to U.S. 31 in north Birmingham, with work expected to start in August, said ALDOT spokeswoman Linda Crockett.
That work, which ALDOT has estimated will cost between $15 million and $20 million, should also be completed in 2014.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Ace10 on December 05, 2011, 04:57:50 AM
Here is some Google Earth measurements from a few different cloverleaf/par-clo interchanges. I am measuring the outside ramp acceleration lane length plus taper length. I am also measuring the loop ramp weave (or acceleration lane + taper)

Here is a measurement for I-10 at US 49 in Gulfport. The I-10 eastbound weave section is around 625 feet, which I think is sufficient enough in light to moderate traffic. But that doesn't mean it's a good idea to use them. If MS really has the money, they should redo the interchange to make movements as easy as possible.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alps on December 06, 2011, 08:34:48 PM
Here is some Google Earth measurements from a few different cloverleaf/par-clo interchanges. I am measuring the outside ramp acceleration lane length plus taper length. I am also measuring the loop ramp weave (or acceleration lane + taper)

Here is a measurement for I-10 at US 49 in Gulfport. The I-10 eastbound weave section is around 625 feet, which I think is sufficient enough in light to moderate traffic. But that doesn't mean it's a good idea to use them. If MS really has the money, they should redo the interchange to make movements as easy as possible.
Give me some traffic numbers and I can give you a weave calculation  :)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on December 07, 2011, 07:09:52 AM
^ Too bad we don't have a peak hour factor or a heavy vehicle factor.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on December 07, 2011, 02:29:21 PM
Based on the continuous recorder MDOT has on I-10 east of the interchange:

- AADT (bi-directional, east of US 49) = 66,000 (this number is very different from what the regional MPO has)
- 30th Highest Hour = 9.2%
- Directional Distribution (30th highest hour) = 52%

Unfortunately, the closest vehicle classification I could find was from 2006 and further east near the Woolmarket exit.  There, truck percentage was 19.7% with 8.2 of that 19.7 being heavy trucks.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on January 16, 2012, 04:53:21 PM
Recent article discusses Cambridge Systematics study of upgrade options for Lamar Avenue.
Here is a link to the Cambridge Systematics/TDOT study of the Lamar Corridor:
http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/LamarAvenueCorridor_June2011.pdf
Extending I-22 along Lamar Avenue would provide the most traffic relief [page 8-12 of study; page 70/81 of pdf]:
"Upgrading Lamar Avenue to an Interstate provides the most traffic relief benefits for Lamar Avenue. It reduces delay the most both for Lamar Avenue and for the study area as a whole. It also provides the lowest travel time for traveling the entire length of Lamar Avenue. It also provides a seamless connection to I-22, which has been constructed along the Lamar Avenue alignment in Mississippi."
However, extending I-22 along Lamar Avenue would not provide the highest benefit/cost ratio [page 8-12 of study; page 70/81 of pdf]:
"Adding lanes to Lamar Avenue provide the highest benefit/cost ratios for all of the Lamar Avenue improvements. This is because their costs are significantly lower than upgrading Lamar Avenue to an Interstate. Making Lamar Avenue eight lanes provides roughly two-thirds of the benefit of upgrading Lamar to an Interstate with only one-third of the cost. Making Lamar Avenue six lanes provides half the benefit with only one-sixth of the costs."
As much as I would like to see Lamar Ave upgraded to interstate standards, with the current budget climate, I don't think it will happen all at once or in it's entirety. What I would like to see is interchanges at the major intersections first (Holmes, Shelby, Winchester) along with a reconfiguration of the Getwell Rd interchange so that Lamar is the through route. Build the interchanges to interstate standards. Widen Lamar to at least six lanes through the interchanges. Build frontage roads on either end of the interchange to maintain local access. Then once the interchanges are upgraded, widen Lamar between the interchanges. As money becomes available, build frontage roads on either side of Lamar and close off access between the interchanges. Seems like that would be the best bang for the buck long-term.

Memphis MPO has not chosen the I-22 option for its Direction 2040 LRTP:
http://direction2040.com/library/Draft_Chapter_08%20(Implementation%20Plan).pdf

Draft timetable for Lamar Corridor:
2020 - Holmes Road interchange and widen to 6 lanes from Stateline Road to Shelby Drive.
2030 - Interchanges at Winchester Road and Stateline Road, widen to 6 lanes from Raines Rd. to Getwell Rd. and from Shelby Dr. to Raines Rd.
2040 - Interchange at Shelby Drive
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on January 16, 2012, 05:54:21 PM
I'm also not really seeing anything pertaining to I-269 from I-55 to I-22 on this plan, which makes me wonder if construction will begin sooner on that rather than later?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on January 18, 2012, 02:22:46 PM
Man, is this really going to take two more years?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on January 18, 2012, 02:44:32 PM
Man, is this really going to take two more years?
Unfortunately, closer to two years + nine months:
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/11/birminghams_corridor_x_interch.html
Work on the interchange linking Corridor X and Interstate 65 --the largest road project in Birmingham-area history -- is expected to be completed by its original target date of Oct. 15, 2014, according to the Alabama Department of Transportation ...
Bids will be invited in June for a related project that will build a 3,000-foot stretch of road linking I-22 to U.S. 31 in north Birmingham, with work expected to start in August, said ALDOT spokeswoman Linda Crockett.
That work, which ALDOT has estimated will cost between $15 million and $20 million, should also be completed in 2014.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on February 02, 2012, 10:01:06 AM
Man, is this really going to take two more years?
Unfortunately, closer to two years + nine months:

This article (http://www.mountaineagle.com/view/full_story/17346301/article-ALDOT%E2%80%99s-five-year-plan-focusing-on-maintenance?instance=homefirstleft) offers a ray of hope that the I-22/I-65 interchange project will be completed before October, 2014.  The official estimate is still October, 2014, but an engineer from the third division personally believes it will be completed before then:

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Brian Davis, an engineer with ALDOT’s third division ... said ...
Four resurfacing projects, totaling more than $14 million to re-pave nearly 14 miles of Corridor X, are scheduled to take place this summer.
“These will be back-to-back-to-back-to-back projects on Corridor X,” Davis said ....
Davis also said work on the final phase of I-22 should be completed by the Fall of 2014.
“We are ahead of schedule and I think it will be completed sooner than that, but Fall of 2014 remains the current estimate,” he said.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 17, 2012, 08:42:11 PM
I drove down to Birmingham today to check out the progress on the I-22/I-65 interchange. Work has been moving along at a steady rate.

One of the main reasons for me going is to scope out potential vantage points for a possible road meet this fall. I will post another thread in the Road Meet forum with details on that.

Here are some pictures I captured during the trip.

Looking along I-65 NB. Bridge construction adjacent to the NB lanes are for future lanes that will serve as both collector/distributor lanes and NB lanes. The current NB lanes will become the future SB lanes, and the current SB lanes will become the SB collector/distributor lanes. These bridges cross the Norfolk Southern railroad.

(http://i.imgur.com/scSUd.jpg)

I-65 NB close to where the flyovers will "converge." The tall pier on the right will be the flyover from EB I-22 to NB I-65. Bridge construction adjacent to the roadway is for the lanes referred to above. These bridges will pass over I-22.

(http://i.imgur.com/c7SCTh.jpg)

This view looks east from a dead-end street along I-22 towards the interchange with I-65. The ramp on the right will lead up to both I-65 north and south.

(http://i.imgur.com/QzGq5h.jpg)

Closeup of the pier under construction from above:

(http://i.imgur.com/IKNUzh.jpg)

Current end of grading for I-22 itself. Past the barricades it will bridge over the railroad and then pass underneath I-65.

(http://i.imgur.com/77Qh3h.jpg)

Piers for the ramp from SB I-65 to WB I-22 that will pass over the railroad.

(http://i.imgur.com/0MCBJh.jpg)

Looking from 47th Avenue North, the new bridge is now open to traffic on the right and the old one on the left is being demolished. A new bridge is necessary to accommodate the new lanes being built to the east of current I-65.

(http://i.imgur.com/Ev5s3h.jpg)

Looking south along what will be the future NB main lanes and collector/distributor lanes for I-65. This looks from the 47th Ave N overpass over I-65.

(http://i.imgur.com/l1APsh.jpg)

Grading for the ramp from I-65 SB to I-22 WB.

(http://i.imgur.com/BdUvWh.jpg)

These signs will need to be relocated...

(http://i.imgur.com/Wk6mWh.jpg)

Looking south along I-65 from the 47th Avenue N overpass:

(http://i.imgur.com/GApHah.jpg)

Closeup of the bent construction for the flyover from EB I-22 to NB I-65:

(http://i.imgur.com/nZbGRh.jpg)

Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: DeaconG on February 18, 2012, 11:42:01 AM
^Well done!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on February 22, 2012, 05:07:28 PM
Great pics, thanks.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on February 25, 2012, 01:55:51 PM
Great pics, thanks.

Agreed! Thanks.

Federal Highway Administrator Victor Mendez came to Birmingham on February 22 and spoke at the I-22/ I-65 interchange construction site, which generated a WVTM-TV video (http://www2.alabamas13.com/news/2012/feb/22/4/federal-highway-administrator-visits-i-22-project-ar-3279021/), a Birmingham News video (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/02/nations_top_highway_official_v.html), and an eight-photo Birmingham News photo gallery (http://photos.al.com/4461/gallery/corridor_x_review_022212/index.html).

As an aside, CBS 42 has an article (http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Fed-highway-admin-reviews-Corridor-X-progress/azoU2AS7Z0Wom8ODxm_dJQ.cspx) which includes a photo of the US 78 and AL 4 "Corridor X" shields (http://www.cbs42.com/Photo.aspx?content_id=d8143a6b-bb04-4567-a89b-c383c66fdd25), which should become historical collector's items in a little under three years ...
(http://i.imgur.com/IAC3D.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 25, 2012, 08:39:31 PM
I don't understand why the Birmingham media is still calling it Corridor X
 I mean I know most people know it as that but you would think people would start calling it I-22. Some broadcasters and meterologists do call it I-22.

That photo from CBS 42 is from AL 129 in Winfield in Marion County.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: hbelkins on February 25, 2012, 09:37:50 PM
I don't understand why the Birmingham media is still calling it Corridor X
 I mean I know most people know it as that but you would think people would start calling it I-22. Some broadcasters and meterologists do call it I-22.

That photo from CBS 42 is from AL 129 in Winfield in Marion County.

In West Virginia, the ARC corridors are most frequently referred to by their corridor letters. Corridor H, Corridor L, Corridor G, Corridor D.

However, in Kentucky, they're referred to by route numbers. And a lot of people don't even realize that some of the routes (Mountain Parkway, KY 15) are ARC corridors.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 27, 2012, 07:47:16 AM
I don't understand why the Birmingham media is still calling it Corridor X
 I mean I know most people know it as that but you would think people would start calling it I-22. Some broadcasters and meterologists do call it I-22.

That photo from CBS 42 is from AL 129 in Winfield in Marion County.

In West Virginia, the ARC corridors are most frequently referred to by their corridor letters. Corridor H, Corridor L, Corridor G, Corridor D.

However, in Kentucky, they're referred to by route numbers. And a lot of people don't even realize that some of the routes (Mountain Parkway, KY 15) are ARC corridors.

No one here in Huntsville calls I-565 Corridor V, or US 72 through Scottsboro, or AL 24 through Moulton. But, US 78/Future I-22 is more commonly known as Corridor X. Go figure.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on February 27, 2012, 06:48:13 PM
Because it has been "corridor X" for like, 35 years. It's only been I-22 for the last, what, five years?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: ttownfeen on February 29, 2012, 04:13:51 AM
What Tourian said.  Old habits die hard.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Morriswa on April 26, 2012, 03:37:56 AM
I have been wondering:  Could I-22 ever be extended southeast-ward, maybe all the way to Jacksonville, FL?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: BamaZeus on April 26, 2012, 11:12:00 AM
It could be done, using the basic 280 corridor from Inverness all the way to Columbus, GA,and then SE from there.  Much of 280 is already 4-lane divided highway with a few interchanges near Sylacauga, so upgrading to interstate standard or near-standard wouldn't take that much work.  It would be more renovating current highway than building new.  Below Columbus, I'd use the US 82 corridor, but only as far as the junction with I-75.  I wouldn't build anything new from Tifton to Jacksonville as it's really not needed.

If you're going to build from Birmingham to Jacksonville, I'd rather see the money go to upgrading 82/231 from Montgomery to the state line at Marianna, or perhaps go SE from Dothan directly to Tallahassee.  I just don't see a giant need for an interstate there.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Morriswa on April 26, 2012, 05:15:59 PM
Can you please explain your reply?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: BamaZeus on April 27, 2012, 05:03:18 PM
The gist of my reply was "yes it can be built, no it probably should not be built"
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 30, 2012, 12:28:11 AM
I've now cleanup up everything that caused this thread to get out of hand. Please do not let it happen again, otherwise, Bans can and will be handed out, no questions asked.  Alright everybody?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alps on May 08, 2012, 07:54:26 PM
I-222 and I-422 discussion has been moved to the Northern Beltline topic (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2731.0).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on May 27, 2012, 07:36:24 PM
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Seeing that the western section most likely won't be built anytime soon, I'd be for an I-22 extension to I-20/I-59, which would provide not only a smooth transition to another Interstate route, but also, a more complete northern bypass of downtown.
Something that, IMO, should be built anyway.  Would provide a little bit of redundancy for Malfunction Junction too.
This refers to a long-standing proposal to extend I-22 to I-20/59 near the airport (likely just east of the AL 79 interchange).  It would do a lot more than you think...it'd be much more cost-effective than building the Northern Beltline and extending it south to I-20.  It would also take some traffic off of Malfunction Junction.
This article (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/04/routes_for_bypassing_downtown.html) indicates that ALDOT has not pursued the I-22 extension to I-20/59 near the airport because of concerns over the high cost of the environmental cleanup of contaminated materials that are in the path of the extension:
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So if I-22 continued past I-65 and tied into I-20/59 near the airport, traffic traveling either direction between Atlanta and Memphis could bypass the downtown junction. Additionally, traffic coming south on I-65 and heading east toward Atlanta could take the spur, as could I-20/59 traffic heading north from Birmingham.
Depending on the alignment, that connector would be in the neighborhood of two or three miles long.
The problem is what you encounter in those two or three miles.
"We looked at that years ago," said Don Vaughn, ALDOT's chief engineer. "But you get into a heavy industrial area with contaminated materials and we could not get through there. If we stir it up, we clean it up, and there is too much through there." .... There might be ways to twist the route through vacated industrial sites, but contamination might be present.
(above quote from "Birmingham Northern Beltline (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2731.msg143661#msg143661)" thread; bold emphasis added by me)

I emailed ALDOT and asked them for a copy of the study referred to by Don Vaughn; to my surprise, they apparently reached an early conclusion that a formal study would not be worthwhile:

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A report was never done… The impacts through the area were going through so many industrial sites that the project did not get very far along before it was dropped.

I wonder if an environmental study of the I-22 extension would be considered worthwhile today if it were to compare the projected cost of the extension (and associated environmental cleanup) to the cost of the Northern Beltline? I would even be interested to see the projected cost of the extension compared to the projected cost of the I-20 to I-459 section of Corridor X-1.

Remembering that I-22 is Corridor X in Alabama, and that Richard Shelby was able to get the Northern Beltline designated as Corridor X-1 (and be eligible for the associated ARC funding), I think the extension of I-22/Corridor X could also become eligible for ARC funding with some persuasion from Senator Shelby.  With that in mind, I think it would be worth ALDOT's while to conduct a formal study of the extension and determine with certainty what the different possible cleanup costs might be. After all, with federal ARC funding, it might be doable.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on June 17, 2012, 09:35:43 PM
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"We looked at that years ago," said Don Vaughn, ALDOT's chief engineer. "But you get into a heavy industrial area with contaminated materials and we could not get through there. If we stir it up, we clean it up, and there is too much through there."

Don Vaughn, ALDOT's chief engineer referenced in the above quote, retired on May 31.  In this article about Vaughn's retirement (http://enewscourier.com/statenews/x234185245/Alabamas-chief-engineer-ends-46-years-at-DOT), I find it striking that 35 years have elapsed since ALDOT's initial estimate for construction of the Alabama section of Corridor X/ I-22:

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He was working as a location engineer in 1977 when he learned Alabama might get some extra federal funds to build an interstate-type highway connecting Birmingham and Memphis, Tenn. He and others had six hours to come up with an estimate for building a 98-mile-long stretch Birmingham to Hamilton near the Mississippi line.
They estimated $100 million and wondered if they had estimated too high.
"I remember thinking that's $1 million a mile. How can that be?" he said.
The last stretch of what is known as Corridor X and Interstate 22 is under construction in Birmingham. It will connect the new interstate highway to I-65.
The price tag for that one stretch of multiple ramps and bridges is $168.6 million.

Assuming the I-22/I-65 interchange will be completed on schedule in 2014, that works out, even with ARC funding, to a completion rate of approximately 2.65 miles per year in Alabama.  It's a sobering example for other interstate-grade projects throughout the country.
Title: MDOT Ready to Let Final US 78 to I-22 Upgrade Project
Post by: Grzrd on June 21, 2012, 11:38:53 AM
I recently emailed MDOT and asked them what other lettings will be necessary for the I-22 upgrade.  Here is the response:
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MDOT has 1 more project on US 78 to let next year that will bring US 78 up to Interstate standards, however at least one end (Alabama or Mississippi) of US 78 must be connected to an existing Interstate before it can be classified as I-22.
I have emailed them back and asked them what & where needs to be done.  Instead of waiting for their response before posting, I have decided to issue a roadgeek challenge to those in the area & see if anyone can identify what needs to be done and where.  It may be as simple as a shoulder upgrade project, but where?  Any guesses?

I apologize for the length of time it has taken me to provide an answer; it has taken me a while to get a definite answer from MDOT.  However, I spoke to a District Two engineer yesterday and he confirmed that eight miles of US 78 rehabilitation in Benton County that is included in the June 26 letting (http://sp.gomdot.com/Contract%20Administration/BidSystems/Pages/letting%20calendar.aspx) will be the final District Two project to bring US 78 up to interstate-grade:

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Rehabilitate approximately 8 miles of US 78 from the Marshall/Benton County Line to the Benton/Union County Line, known as Federal Aid Project No. NH-0006-01(083) / 104233303 in Benton County.
Project Completion: 11/11/2013

http://www.gomdot.com/Home/Projects/Archives/Studies/Northern/US78/Home.aspx
Although it was let a little later than anticipated (Oct. 25 instead of Sept. 27), MDOT's New Albany project was awarded yesterday, subject to FHWA concurrence [page 2/2 of pdf]:
http://www.gomdot.com/bidsystem_data/20111025/LETDOCS/20111025BidAwards.pdf

The District Two engineer did caution me that District One may have one or two more projects... I spoke with a District One engineer this morning and he confirmed that District One has already let all of its projects necessary for the upgrade, and that the above New Albany project is still on track to be completed in November 2013.

EDIT

MDOT's June 19 District Two Project Updates (http://sp.gomdot.com/Public%20Affairs/Lists/News%20Releases/Item/displayifs.aspx?List=ae1b236c%2D924d%2D498c%2Db14e%2Daafec6dc2864&ID=282&ContentTypeId=0x010087606675CA7A95408B80E8BFBB944273) provides updates on two other ongoing US 78 to I-22 upgrade projects, with anticipated completion dates of November 2012 and June 2013:

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U.S. 78 Rubblization Project in Desoto/Marshall Counties 

Construction is underway on the rubblization project on U.S. 78 between the Coldwater River and West Holly Springs exit in Desoto and Marshall counties. Lehman Roberts Co., Inc., of Memphis, TN, was awarded the $39,978,826 project, which will use a process known as rubblization to crumble the existing concrete pavement into a new foundation for a new asphalt structure on top. In addition to the rubblization and asphalt pavement, other work including new guardrail, signing, pavement marking and drainage repairs will be completed in order to bring this section of U.S. 78 up to interstate standards. A traffic management center will also be installed on this project to provide motorists with up-to-the-minute information. Work has been going on since early 2011, and is approximately 51 percent complete.  The contractor is currently working on the rubblization sections around the Victoria and Red Banks interchanges (all concrete removal sections are complete), installing fence, removing asphalt along the ramps at the Byhalia interchange, boring conduit for fiber optic cable, and placing shoulder gravel.  All wide loads (12’ wide and wider) have been temporarily detoured onto Highway 178 from the Ingrams Mill interchange to the West Holly Springs interchange. Work is scheduled for completion in June 2013. 

U.S. 78 Rehabilitation Project in Marshall County


MDOT continues to move forward with plans to upgrade existing U.S. 78 to interstate standards in preparation of the future I-22 designation. A project was let in May 2011 to Rogers Group, Inc. The $21,333,639 project will include overlaying the existing roadway, new pavement markings and signs, and upgrades to the median. In addition, the entrance and exit ramps at the West Holly Springs and Holly Springs interchanges will be extended to meet current interstate standards.   The contractor is currently installing drainage structures, fencing at the interchanges on the project, laying Asphalt in the West Bound lane near the Lake Center Interchange, paving county roads, and conducting earthwork operations to extend the entrance and exit ramps at the West Holly Springs and Holly Springs interchanges. This work is expected to be completed in November 2012.

It looks like Mississippi will have to wait from the completion of all of its projects in November 2013 until Alabama completes the I-22/I-65 interchange in October 2014 before it can put up I-22 signage.  I wonder if they will follow MoDOT's example with I-49 by installing the signage early and have it ready to "face the road" once Alabama completes the interchange?

Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on June 25, 2012, 12:01:18 PM
I wonder if they will follow MoDOT's example with I-49 by installing the signage early and have it ready to "face the road" once Alabama completes the interchange?

Maybe they'll put the signs up but wrap them in black plastic bags until go-time.
Title: Lamar Corridor Still I-22 Possibility?
Post by: Grzrd on August 02, 2012, 08:03:06 PM
Recent article discusses Cambridge Systematics study of upgrade options for Lamar Avenue.  Three primary options (with estimated cost) are as follows: (1) build interchanges at Holmes and Winchester Roads and Shelby Drive, leaving Lamar at 4 lanes ($213.2 million), (2) build interchanges at Holmes and Winchester Roads and Shelby Drive, expanding Lamar to 6 lanes ($275.1 million), and (3) fully upgrade Lamar to I-22 ($637.9 million).
Here is a link to the Cambridge Systematics/TDOT study of the Lamar Corridor:
http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/LamarAvenueCorridor_June2011.pdf
Extending I-22 along Lamar Avenue would provide the most traffic relief [page 8-12 of study; page 70/81 of pdf]:
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Upgrading Lamar Avenue to an Interstate provides the most traffic relief benefits for Lamar Avenue. It reduces delay the most both for Lamar Avenue and for the study area as a whole. It also provides the lowest travel time for traveling the entire length of Lamar Avenue. It also provides a seamless connection to I-22, which has been constructed along the Lamar Avenue alignment in Mississippi.
Memphis MPO has not chosen the I-22 option for its Direction 2040 LRTP:
http://direction2040.com/library/Draft_Chapter_08%20(Implementation%20Plan).pdf
Draft timetable for Lamar Corridor:
2020 - Holmes Road interchange and widen to 6 lanes from Stateline Road to Shelby Drive.
2030 - Interchanges at Winchester Road and Stateline Road, widen to 6 lanes from Raines Rd. to Getwell Rd. and from Shelby Dr. to Raines Rd.
2040 - Interchange at Shelby Drive

Maybe the Lamar Corridor will one day become part of I-22. This article (http://www.memphisdailynews.com/news/2012/aug/3/congestion-woes/) reports on Tennessee Transportation Commissioner John Schroer discussing the Lamar Corridor.  He does not mention I-22 directly, but he does mention a price tag of $500 million to $700 million and having to displace a lot of businesses.  Sounds like the I-22 option to me:

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Tennessee Transportation Commissioner John Schroer told the Regional Logistics Council Thursday, Aug. 2, that his office has the “right priority list” of road projects for the Memphis area.
And he didn’t waste another sentence getting to the project at the top of that list for the group of 150 industry professionals in the room at the Memphis Marriott Hotel – the southern part of Lamar Avenue to the Mississippi state line.
The corridor that carries most of the region’s freight is also the most congested major thoroughfare in the city.
“We know how bad Lamar Avenue is and we know how expensive Lamar Avenue is and it’s mainly expensive because of right of way,” Schroer said.
The undertaking is so big and the dollar figure for decongesting Lamar is so high that Schroer said past state transportation officials often haven’t started toward a solution at all because of the price tag of an estimated $500 million to $700 million. ....
TDOT is specifically looking at options recommended in a June 2011 study it commissioned by Cambridge Systematics Inc. that would replace the Lamar and Holmes Road and Lamar and Winchester Road intersections with interchanges. The study was done in association with Kimley-Horn & Associates and the University of Memphis.
The state has $34 million in the fiscal year 2014 transportation budget for Lamar right of way and TDOT has agreed to fund additional environmental work.
“There are so many businesses on Lamar serving the business that’s there. With the intermodal facility that is now there, the amount of truck traffic is ridiculously high,” Schroer said after his remarks. “We’ve got to buy a lot of property and make it happen. … It’s going to require us probably taking out a lot of businesses, which means it is a very expensive undertaking and it is going to take a lot of time to do it.”
U.S. Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Memphis, has said and said again Thursday that U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood has also made the Lamar corridor a priority at the federal level ....

$637.9 million fits neatly into that range of $500 million to $700 million ...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: bugo on August 02, 2012, 08:21:06 PM
It would be silly to build an interstate down Lamar.  Connect it to I-55 in Mississippi and be done with it.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: pj3970 on August 02, 2012, 10:07:18 PM
I don't understand why the Birmingham media is still calling it Corridor X
 I mean I know most people know it as that but you would think people would start calling it I-22. Some broadcasters and meterologists do call it I-22.

That photo from CBS 42 is from AL 129 in Winfield in Marion County.

In West Virginia, the ARC corridors are most frequently referred to by their corridor letters. Corridor H, Corridor L, Corridor G, Corridor D.

However, in Kentucky, they're referred to by route numbers. And a lot of people don't even realize that some of the routes (Mountain Parkway, KY 15) are ARC corridors.

There is another ARC corridor in West Virginia...Corridor Q (US 460)...but I have heard US 78/Future I-22 being called Corridor X everytime I have traveled through there
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on August 06, 2012, 11:12:42 AM
It would be silly to build an interstate down Lamar.  Connect it to I-55 in Mississippi and be done with it.

Even if I-22 is connected with I-55 via I-269, there are still a lot of points of interest along and close to Lamar Avenue that would create a lot of truck traffic. It would be very expensive to upgrade Lamar, but I also think it is a logical connection given the proximity to various shipping and logistics companies that are close to Lamar.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on August 21, 2012, 11:03:17 PM
I recently emailed MDOT and asked them what other lettings will be necessary for the I-22 upgrade.
I spoke to a District Two engineer yesterday and he confirmed that eight miles of US 78 rehabilitation in Benton County that is included in the June 26 letting (http://sp.gomdot.com/Contract%20Administration/BidSystems/Pages/letting%20calendar.aspx) will be the final District Two project to bring US 78 up to interstate-grade .... I spoke with a District One engineer this morning and he confirmed that District One has already let all of its projects necessary for the upgrade
Something about I-22- for some time from 2010 to now US 78 was labeled as I-22 by Google Maps, now Google Maps left it as US 78 again.
(above quote from Interstate 269 (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1329.msg169598#msg169598) thread)

On July 10, MDOT did award a contract for the final US 78 to I-22 upgrade (http://www.gomdot.com/bidsystem_data/20120626/LETDOCS/20120626BidAwards.pdf) (page 3/4 of pdf):

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NH-0006-01(083) / 104233303
BENTON COUNTY - Rehabilitate approximately 8 miles of US 78 from the Marshall/Benton County Line to the Benton/Union County Line
LEHMAN-ROBERTS COMPANY
PO BOX 1603
MEMPHIS, TN 38101
$11,024,682.79

At least MDOT is working on the upgrades for that time when Google Maps will return to I-22 ...
Title: I-22 Shields Coming to Alabama!
Post by: Grzrd on August 25, 2012, 06:26:37 PM
Now my question, which I don't think has an answer yet - Is this piece of I-269 what will finally get I-22 signed? (Or will the I-65 connection beat it to the punch?)
I'm hoping the answer is neither; since MAP-21 now allows signage of disconnected segments, all of Alabama's open segments are interstate grade, and most of Mississippi's segments are interstate grade (with the final three upgrade projects all expected to be completed by November 2013), then I hope to see applications from both ALDOT and MDOT for immediate signage in time for the November 15 AASHTO Special Committee on Route Numbering meeting.  Why wait? I-22 signage by New Year's Day!
(above quote from Interstate 269 (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1329.msg166705#msg166705) thread)

I just took a look at an email I received from ALDOT late yesterday afternoon regarding the possibility of MAP-21 allowing immediate signage of I-22:

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Our Division Administrator has confirmed that the official designation can occur prior to the physical tie to an existing interstate. We will work with FHWA to receive the official designation and begin developing plans to implement the appropriate signage. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

Of course, I'm not sure how long it will take ALDOT to "implement the appropriate signage", but I am sure it will be a lot sooner than the anticipated 25+ months until the completion of the I-22/ I-65 interchange.  :clap:

MDOT does not have plans for immediate signage:

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I know of no immediate effort to install I-22 route markers (and the accompanying guide signs) along this route in Mississippi.  The installation of all these markers & signs would constitute a fairly respectable project in itself.  These changes are coming in the future – the question will be in the timing.  There are other decision makers that will be involved in the process – including our partners at the Federal Highway Administration.

Once I-22 shields start going up in Alabama, and after Toyota hears about it, I suspect that MDOT may then consider it worthwhile to install the shields ...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on August 26, 2012, 09:20:39 AM
Build a casino somewhere along 78 / I-22 / Corridor X & the interstate shields would have been up before the ink was dry on them.  This project has taken forever it seems.
Title: Re: I-22 Shields Coming to Alabama!
Post by: NYYPhil777 on August 26, 2012, 02:41:45 PM
Now my question, which I don't think has an answer yet - Is this piece of I-269 what will finally get I-22 signed? (Or will the I-65 connection beat it to the punch?)
I'm hoping the answer is neither; since MAP-21 now allows signage of disconnected segments, all of Alabama's open segments are interstate grade, and most of Mississippi's segments are interstate grade (with the final three upgrade projects all expected to be completed by November 2013), then I hope to see applications from both ALDOT and MDOT for immediate signage in time for the November 15 AASHTO Special Committee on Route Numbering meeting.  Why wait? I-22 signage by New Year's Day!
(above quote from Interstate 269 (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1329.msg166705#msg166705) thread)

I just took a look at an email I received from ALDOT late yesterday afternoon regarding the possibility of MAP-21 allowing immediate signage of I-22:

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Our Division Administrator has confirmed that the official designation can occur prior to the physical tie to an existing interstate. We will work with FHWA to receive the official designation and begin developing plans to implement the appropriate signage. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

Of course, I'm not sure how long it will take ALDOT to "implement the appropriate signage", but I am sure it will be a lot sooner than the anticipated 25+ months until the completion of the I-22/ I-65 interchange.  :clap:

MDOT does not have plans for immediate signage:

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I know of no immediate effort to install I-22 route markers (and the accompanying guide signs) along this route in Mississippi.  The installation of all these markers & signs would constitute a fairly respectable project in itself.  These changes are coming in the future – the question will be in the timing.  There are other decision makers that will be involved in the process – including our partners at the Federal Highway Administration.

Once I-22 shields start going up in Alabama, and after Toyota hears about it, I suspect that MDOT may then consider it worthwhile to install the shields ...
:hmmm: I've looked at many I-22 corridor websites showing convincing support from many manufacturing companies wanting to establish themselves in Northwest Alabama near or at I-22, but how does Toyota have to do with it?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on August 26, 2012, 03:55:56 PM
:hmmm: I've looked at many I-22 corridor websites showing convincing support from many manufacturing companies wanting to establish themselves in Northwest Alabama near or at I-22, but how does Toyota have to do with it?

Toyota has a somewhat recently opened assembly plant in Blue Springs, Mississippi, along the US 78/ Future I-22 corridor.  As this article and TV video report (http://www.wtva.com/news/local/story/Highway-9-officially-opens/vy40zcY8gEa5VQLPXGaPRQ.cspx) indicate, Toyota partially made the decision to locate the plant in Blue Springs in reliance on a promise that MS 9 would receive a four-lane upgrade between US 78 (near the Blue Springs plant) and MS 6.  MDOT completed that project in a remarkably short period of time.

When I made the comment about Toyota, I was referring to the Blue Springs plant in Mississippi and my belief that Toyota would much prefer immediate I-22 signage, only recently allowed by MAP-21, over waiting for a physical tie-in to the current interstate system and continuation of US 78 signage for another two years.

edit - I'm not sure how long the above link will be "live", so I'm quoting part of the article to show the importance of highway projects in the minds of Mississippi officials in being able to attract large manufacturers like Toyota:

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A promise is a promise.
State and local officials say they promised Toyota a new highway and they gave it to them ....
It was just over one year ago that officials were in Belden breaking ground on this project. Now, it's complete, under budget and well ahead of schedule ....
The design-build concept is not often used in Mississippi.
There needs to be a reason for it.
"Certainly, design-build has it's place and every situation is a little different. Its depends on the environmental situation for which you're trying to build a project. It depends on your time frame. If you're trying to accommodate a manufacturer like in this case," Northern District Highway Commissioner Mike Tagert said.
"We made a promise to Toyota that if they would believe in us and go ahead and move forward with the plan that we would make the commitment for Highway 9 and so people from all over the state helped us keep this promise. That means a lot the next time we go out recruiting," U.S. Senator Roger Wicker said.
"We told Toyota if they would come, we promised them we would upgrade this road and we're fulfilling that promise today," Governor Bryant said ....

With the above in mind, I think MDOT would move rapidly if Toyota made an express request for immediate I-22 signage.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NYYPhil777 on August 26, 2012, 04:36:21 PM
Now I see what you mean.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on September 04, 2012, 10:02:33 PM
I drove most of the length of future I-22 in Mississippi over the Labor Day weekend. I-22 in Mississippi is either to interstate standards with full-width paved shoulders, or is being upgraded to interstate standards. Current construction projects are for the substandard section in New Albany, which has just started, and for the substandard sections in Marshall County and DeSoto County. The Marshall/DeSoto project seems to be nearing completion, but some shoulder work still remains in areas, and a final layer of asphalt is needed in along a lot of the project.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on September 10, 2012, 04:36:14 PM
Cody...thanks for the update.  It'll be nice when it's all done.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: AUTiger7222 on October 20, 2012, 12:15:56 PM
I am new here to this forum. Just come across it by looking for information on the I-22/65 interchange.

I live in Cullman, AL and don't make it to Birmingham very often. Last week I went through Birmingham for the first time since January and was absolutely amazed at the progress that had been made.

I didn't have the ability to stop and really look at it and possibly get pictures because I wasn't the one driving. I wish someone could get some update pictures. The latest pictures I've been able to find anywhere are from February.

I'm a little surprised that the target date is still October, 2014. I gotta think by the progress that's been made in a little less than a year that this program will be done around the beginning of 2014.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alex on October 20, 2012, 11:29:03 PM
I am new here to this forum. Just come across it by looking for information on the I-22/65 interchange.

I live in Cullman, AL and don't make it to Birmingham very often. Last week I went through Birmingham for the first time since January and was absolutely amazed at the progress that had been made.

I didn't have the ability to stop and really look at it and possibly get pictures because I wasn't the one driving. I wish someone could get some update pictures. The latest pictures I've been able to find anywhere are from February.

I'm a little surprised that the target date is still October, 2014. I gotta think by the progress that's been made in a little less than a year that this program will be done around the beginning of 2014.

We checked it out this afternoon and shot photos from a few perspectives as part of the Birmingham road meet. Will try to get some photos posted once I get home. The October 2014 date is probably spot on, as not a lot had changed from when I saw it last November and today. Lots of earth moving still ongoing and only a portion of the girders are in place for the ramp from I-65 northbound to I-22 west. Some of these (http://www.aaroads.com/southeast/alabama065/i-065_sb_exit_264_03.jpg) were installed last fall!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: AUTiger7222 on October 21, 2012, 10:18:09 PM
I went through there today and it seemed like a lot had happened since just last Friday last week. It's very exciting to me.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alex on October 22, 2012, 09:47:20 AM
Some photos of construction of the new Interstate 22/65 interchange from Saturday's road meet:

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-022_065_2012_10_20_02.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-022_065_2012_10_20_02.jpg)

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-022_065_2012_10_20_01.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-022_065_2012_10_20_01.jpg)

Looking north from the 47th Avenue North overpass.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-022_065_2012_10_20_05.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-022_065_2012_10_20_05.jpg)

Girders in place for a new flyover by the 47th Avenue North curve at Lewisburg.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-022_065_2012_10_20_04.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-022_065_2012_10_20_04.jpg)

New northbound c/d roadway bridge of I-65 above Ellard Road and Fivemile Creek.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-022_065_2012_10_20_03.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-022_065_2012_10_20_03.jpg)

Looking east from the end of Lois Street at the graded carriageways and ramp stubs just west of Interstate 65.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on October 22, 2012, 12:54:32 PM
Thanks for the pictures.  I've been traveling that road for a few years.  It's a great drive & will be even better when it connects with 65.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: AUTiger7222 on October 22, 2012, 01:45:43 PM
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-022_065_2012_10_20_01.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-022_065_2012_10_20_01.jpg)

Looking north from the 47th Avenue North overpass.

Those girders on the flyover on the left are completely new since since a week ago from last Friday.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on October 22, 2012, 03:09:43 PM
From when I went down there on Wednesday 10/17 to Saturday 10/20 they had placed more girders on that ramp.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alex on October 22, 2012, 04:03:34 PM
Added a couple of the photos from Saturday taken along I-65 northbound (http://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0065ngal) to the main site:

(http://www.aaroads.com/southeast/alabama065/i-065_nb_exit_266_01.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/southeast/alabama065/i-065_nb_exit_266_01.jpg)

(http://www.aaroads.com/southeast/alabama065/i-065_nb_exit_266_05.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/southeast/alabama065/i-065_nb_exit_266_05.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on October 25, 2012, 11:12:34 AM
^^ al.com has posted  an 18 photo gallery of the interchange construction on I-65 and Future I-22 taken on October 24 (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/10/i-22_interchange_construction.html) that serves as a nice complement to the photos Alex has posted.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on October 29, 2012, 05:29:10 PM
^They are a bit ambitious about saying it will connect with I-40 and I-240 in Memphis.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on October 29, 2012, 06:34:19 PM
Maybe it will connect with I-40 and I-240 about the time my grandchildren are grown up.  Keep in mind that I don't yet have any grandchildren yet.
Title: I-22 Extension
Post by: Bamaroadgeek on October 31, 2012, 11:18:37 PM
The ROW acquisition would be next to impossible, but would it not be more logical to extend I-22 past the I-65 interchange to 20/59? It could go in a southeasterly direction and end up on the southern/western edge of the airport.
Or, if you wanted to extend it towards Jacksonville, it could be multiplexed with I-65 through downtown to an interchange somewhere in Shelby County where it would break away and head southeast.
Title: Re: I-22 Extension
Post by: Grzrd on November 01, 2012, 10:53:13 AM
The ROW acquisition would be next to impossible, but would it not be more logical to extend I-22 past the I-65 interchange to 20/59? It could go in a southeasterly direction and end up on the southern/western edge of the airport.

This April 15, 2012 article (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/04/routes_for_bypassing_downtown.html) discusses, among other things, the above suggested routing.  Also, this upthread post (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=724.msg151332#msg151332) contains an email reply from ALDOT about a possible study of that corridor that had been referenced in the article:

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A report was never done… The impacts through the area were going through so many industrial sites that the project did not get very far along before it was dropped.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: AUTiger7222 on November 03, 2012, 10:12:21 PM
Does anyone have the plans for what this will look like when it's completed? I sure would love to look to know what it will look like when it's finished.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: hbelkins on November 04, 2012, 12:08:04 AM
I drove all the route from Coalburg Road to US 45 in Tupelo today. Why was it built 3 lanes in each direction to Jasper? Given the amount of traffic, even on the section that is officially now US 78, I'd say it was way overbuilt.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on November 04, 2012, 07:37:51 PM
I drove all the route from Coalburg Road to US 45 in Tupelo today. Why was it built 3 lanes in each direction to Jasper? Given the amount of traffic, even on the section that is officially now US 78, I'd say it was way overbuilt.

I think it was done in case there is any residential or industrial development in that area. Whether that comes or not remains to be seen.

What I don't understand is the lone six-lane segment between Carbon Hill and Jasper. I know it "overlaps" the old road in that the old road becomes a frontage road, but I still don't see the need for it there.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alex on November 05, 2012, 11:57:14 AM

Federal Highway Administrator Victor Mendez came to Birmingham on February 22 and spoke at the I-22/ I-65 interchange construction site, which generated a WVTM-TV video (http://www2.alabamas13.com/news/2012/feb/22/4/federal-highway-administrator-visits-i-22-project-ar-3279021/), a Birmingham News video (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/02/nations_top_highway_official_v.html), and an eight-photo Birmingham News photo gallery (http://photos.al.com/4461/gallery/corridor_x_review_022212/index.html).

As an aside, CBS 42 has an article (http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Fed-highway-admin-reviews-Corridor-X-progress/azoU2AS7Z0Wom8ODxm_dJQ.cspx) which includes a photo of the US 78 and AL 4 "Corridor X" shields (http://www.cbs42.com/Photo.aspx?content_id=d8143a6b-bb04-4567-a89b-c383c66fdd25), which should become historical collector's items in a little under three years ...
(http://i.imgur.com/IAC3D.jpg)

Reviewing this thread for a needed update to the I-22 page on interstate-guide.com, I noticed this post and the photo, which was taken by me on 9/25/2003:
http://www.aaroads.com/southeast/alabama075/us-078_wb_app_i-022.jpg
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on November 05, 2012, 04:57:06 PM
I LOVE the 6 lanes on I-22.  I know traffic doesn't dictate the need for them, but it is nice with all that room on the road.  I wish more interstates were 6+ lanes.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: AUTiger7222 on November 05, 2012, 05:46:46 PM
I LOVE the 6 lanes on I-22.  I know traffic doesn't dictate the need for them, but it is nice with all that room on the road.  I wish more interstates were 6+ lanes.

I completely agree about more interstates being 6 lanes. I don't travel up to Huntsville so I don't know if I-65 is 6 lanes up there or not but I do travel from Cullman to Birmingham a lot and it sure would be a lot better if 1-65 was 6 lanes at least all the way up to Cullman. The 6 lanes of 1-65 from Birmingham ends right at the Black Warrior River. Travel from there up to Cullman is tough, especially during rush hour.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Henry on November 06, 2012, 11:33:28 AM

(http://www.aaroads.com/southeast/alabama065/i-065_nb_exit_266_01.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/southeast/alabama065/i-065_nb_exit_266_01.jpg)

(http://www.aaroads.com/southeast/alabama065/i-065_nb_exit_266_05.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/southeast/alabama065/i-065_nb_exit_266_05.jpg)
If you live in NC, this would be the most familiar sight to you! :)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on November 08, 2012, 02:12:33 PM
Recent article discusses Cambridge Systematics study of upgrade options for Lamar Avenue.  Three primary options (with estimated cost) are as follows: (1) build interchanges at Holmes and Winchester Roads and Shelby Drive, leaving Lamar at 4 lanes ($213.2 million), (2) build interchanges at Holmes and Winchester Roads and Shelby Drive, expanding Lamar to 6 lanes ($275.1 million), and (3) fully upgrade Lamar to I-22 ($637.9 million).
Here is a link to the Cambridge Systematics/TDOT study of the Lamar Corridor:
http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/LamarAvenueCorridor_June2011.pdf
Maybe the Lamar Corridor will one day become part of I-22. This article (http://www.memphisdailynews.com/news/2012/aug/3/congestion-woes/) reports on Tennessee Transportation Commissioner John Schroer discussing the Lamar Corridor.  He does not mention I-22 directly, but he does mention a price tag of $500 million to $700 million and having to displace a lot of businesses.

The Cambridge Systematics/TDOT study of the Lamar Corridor does estimate a cost of $275.1 million for a six-lane upgrade and interchanges at Winchester, Shelby, and Holmes (page 69/81 of pdf; page 8/11 of document):

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Alt. 5HWS – 6-lane, int. at Holmes, Winchester and Shelby 275.1

The Memphis MPO, as part of its 11/15/2012 Transportation Policy Board Agenda, is seeking to amend its TIP (http://www.memphismpo.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=89&Itemid=77) in order to allow some engineering work on the Lamar Corridor upgrade.  As part of the documentation associated with that request, it looks like the estimated cost for the above widening and interchanges has risen to $482,226,188.00 (page 20/57 of pdf; page 37 of document):

(http://i.imgur.com/Ry7Vo.jpg)

Major increase. I think I am comparing apples to apples. If not, what am I missing? Inflation over time?

Here is a map of the area of proposed construction (page 20/57 of pdf; page 37 of document):
(http://i.imgur.com/Qlxih.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: golden eagle on November 09, 2012, 07:42:23 PM
I LOVE the 6 lanes on I-22.  I know traffic doesn't dictate the need for them, but it is nice with all that room on the road.  I wish more interstates were 6+ lanes.

I completely agree about more interstates being 6 lanes. I don't travel up to Huntsville so I don't know if I-65 is 6 lanes up there or not but I do travel from Cullman to Birmingham a lot and it sure would be a lot better if 1-65 was 6 lanes at least all the way up to Cullman. The 6 lanes of 1-65 from Birmingham ends right at the Black Warrior River. Travel from there up to Cullman is tough, especially during rush hour.

I traveled up I-65 back in May, but don't recall it being six lanes north of Cullman. I did get on 565 to Huntsville, but took US 72 to get back to 65.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alex on November 09, 2012, 08:00:39 PM
Updated the AARoads Interstate 22 guide to include eastbound coverage from the state line to Coalburg Road: http://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0022al The westbound page remains the same, though I updated the captions at least.

The front page has another photo from the recent Birmingham meet, and I also added seven more to the Interstate Guide page for I-22 as well to go along with an update to the text/history section: http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-022.html
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: hbelkins on November 12, 2012, 05:22:05 PM
Noticed some little airplane figures on the pavement of westbound US 78 (future I-22) when I drove this route. Are those for aerial speed enforcement?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: BamaZeus on November 13, 2012, 11:39:40 AM
Usually, yes.  They're spaced in exact measurements (1/10th mile or 1/4 mile) so the guy in the chopper can basically set a stopwatch between the two points and make the calculations quickly.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: StogieGuy7 on November 13, 2012, 02:57:33 PM
Are they going to still refer to this route as the Bankhead Highway in Alabama (a.k.a. "Florida Short Route") once it's an interstate?  Just curious, as I always found both monikers to be really cool for some reason.  Despite the fact that it never seemed like a particularly short route to Florida! 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on November 13, 2012, 03:08:22 PM
Are they going to still refer to this route as the Bankhead Highway in Alabama (a.k.a. "Florida Short Route") once it's an interstate?
Huh? Do "they" refer to it as such now? Bankhead Highway seems to still be on the old road, and the Florida Short Route served Huntsville.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: golden eagle on November 13, 2012, 06:04:14 PM
Noticed some little airplane figures on the pavement of westbound US 78 (future I-22) when I drove this route. Are those for aerial speed enforcement?

I-57 in Illinois used to have this at one point.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: StogieGuy7 on November 15, 2012, 10:18:33 AM
Are they going to still refer to this route as the Bankhead Highway in Alabama (a.k.a. "Florida Short Route") once it's an interstate?
Huh? Do "they" refer to it as such now? Bankhead Highway seems to still be on the old road, and the Florida Short Route served Huntsville.

1) http://www.americanroads.us/autotrails/bankheadhighway.html

U.S. 78 was called that.  I was curious if it still will be, as much of the routing is the same.

2) Yes, (at least) the old U.S. 78 corridor heading in to Birmingham was referred to as the "Florida Short Route", which then continued on to U.S. 280 and into GA.  Yes, the "Florida Short Route" also runs through Huntsville.  There's more than one.

Again, the question posed was whether either of these historic titles will be attached to the new freeway. 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on November 15, 2012, 11:49:28 AM
Why would they be attached to the freeway?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: StogieGuy7 on November 15, 2012, 02:49:35 PM
Why would they be attached to the freeway?

There are maps out there that label it as such.  Delorme Alabama Atlas and Gazetteer for one. 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on November 15, 2012, 03:38:54 PM
If the names are there, they'll remain. If the maps are wrong, they're wrong. Adding a number doesn't usually change the name.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on November 19, 2012, 07:37:49 AM
I LOVE the 6 lanes on I-22.  I know traffic doesn't dictate the need for them, but it is nice with all that room on the road.  I wish more interstates were 6+ lanes.

I completely agree about more interstates being 6 lanes. I don't travel up to Huntsville so I don't know if I-65 is 6 lanes up there or not but I do travel from Cullman to Birmingham a lot and it sure would be a lot better if 1-65 was 6 lanes at least all the way up to Cullman. The 6 lanes of 1-65 from Birmingham ends right at the Black Warrior River. Travel from there up to Cullman is tough, especially during rush hour.

I traveled up I-65 back in May, but don't recall it being six lanes north of Cullman. I did get on 565 to Huntsville, but took US 72 to get back to 65.

The six lanes ends at the Blount/Cullman County Line right now on I-65. There are projects in the STIP to six-lane I-65 north to AL 69. IMO it should be widened to six lanes to AL 157.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on November 19, 2012, 07:44:32 AM
Updated the AARoads Interstate 22 guide to include eastbound coverage from the state line to Coalburg Road: http://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0022al The westbound page remains the same, though I updated the captions at least.

The front page has another photo from the recent Birmingham meet, and I also added seven more to the Interstate Guide page for I-22 as well to go along with an update to the text/history section: http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-022.html

I should mention from your guide that AL 118 has been truncated to AL 69 in Jasper. Between Jasper and Graysville, only AL 5 is signed. There is no signage for Alt US 78 anywhere from what I can tell, either.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alex on November 19, 2012, 11:23:49 AM
Updated the AARoads Interstate 22 guide to include eastbound coverage from the state line to Coalburg Road: http://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0022al The westbound page remains the same, though I updated the captions at least.

The front page has another photo from the recent Birmingham meet, and I also added seven more to the Interstate Guide page for I-22 as well to go along with an update to the text/history section: http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-022.html

I should mention from your guide that AL 118 has been truncated to AL 69 in Jasper. Between Jasper and Graysville, only AL 5 is signed. There is no signage for Alt US 78 anywhere from what I can tell, either.

Amended the captions to reflect Alabama 5 instead of Alabama 118 from Jasper eastward, thanks! Alternate US 78 is referenced on the official state map and on ALDOT general highway maps for the counties along I-22, so I referred to it from there. The photos I have seen from there do not show any signage for it, so perhaps its just an internal designation until I-22 is completed and U.S. 78 returned to its original alignment?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on November 19, 2012, 11:34:21 AM
Updated the AARoads Interstate 22 guide to include eastbound coverage from the state line to Coalburg Road: http://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0022al The westbound page remains the same, though I updated the captions at least.

The front page has another photo from the recent Birmingham meet, and I also added seven more to the Interstate Guide page for I-22 as well to go along with an update to the text/history section: http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-022.html

I should mention from your guide that AL 118 has been truncated to AL 69 in Jasper. Between Jasper and Graysville, only AL 5 is signed. There is no signage for Alt US 78 anywhere from what I can tell, either.

Amended the captions to reflect Alabama 5 instead of Alabama 118 from Jasper eastward, thanks! Alternate US 78 is referenced on the official state map and on ALDOT general highway maps for the counties along I-22, so I referred to it from there. The photos I have seen from there do not show any signage for it, so perhaps its just an internal designation until I-22 is completed and U.S. 78 returned to its original alignment?

ALDOT actually applied for the designation to AASHTO and got it approved in 2005: http://route.transportation.org/Documents/Posted_Results_on_SCOH_6-9-05.pdf

I don't know why it hasn't been signed. I am beginning to think you are right; it was done like that so that it can be retained as US 78 when I-22 is finished.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on November 19, 2012, 11:38:23 AM
The portion from Graysville to Jasper is covered here: http://route.transportation.org/Documents/2004-USRN_Cmte.pdf
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: AUTiger7222 on November 21, 2012, 02:18:31 AM
I LOVE the 6 lanes on I-22.  I know traffic doesn't dictate the need for them, but it is nice with all that room on the road.  I wish more interstates were 6+ lanes.

I completely agree about more interstates being 6 lanes. I don't travel up to Huntsville so I don't know if I-65 is 6 lanes up there or not but I do travel from Cullman to Birmingham a lot and it sure would be a lot better if 1-65 was 6 lanes at least all the way up to Cullman. The 6 lanes of 1-65 from Birmingham ends right at the Black Warrior River. Travel from there up to Cullman is tough, especially during rush hour.

I traveled up I-65 back in May, but don't recall it being six lanes north of Cullman. I did get on 565 to Huntsville, but took US 72 to get back to 65.

The six lanes ends at the Blount/Cullman County Line right now on I-65. There are projects in the STIP to six-lane I-65 north to AL 69. IMO it should be widened to six lanes to AL 157.

Yeah. That's what I was saying. It should be at least 6 lanes all the way to AL 157.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on November 26, 2012, 06:12:39 PM
Made a drive up I-22 from Coalburg Road to Memphis as part of my T-giving travels.  Very nice drive from Coalburg (6 lanes) all the way.

There are 6 lanes to the Jasper Industrial Park exit & then it is 6 lanes again from the west side of Jasper to the Carbon Hill exit.

I did notice that there were concrete barriers on the eastbound side at the highway 78 exit.  I guess this is to limit traffic going East.

Mississippi has done a good job in Marshall county with their paving.  Very smooth ride.  The New Albany area will take a while however.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: cjk374 on November 26, 2012, 07:00:24 PM
Noticed some little airplane figures on the pavement of westbound US 78 (future I-22) when I drove this route. Are those for aerial speed enforcement?

I-57 in Illinois used to have this at one point.
I have usually counted 7 seconds in between the airplane figures and the solid lines painted on the breakdown lanes (which is what we have on I-20 in Louisiana).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: berberry on November 27, 2012, 12:45:42 PM
If the names are there, they'll remain. If the maps are wrong, they're wrong. Adding a number doesn't usually change the name.

Not officially, but it sure can change common usage.  Sometimes people quit using an old name and use the number, to the point that the old names are sometimes forgotten.

Mississippi is a good example.  Maps of the old national auto-trail system show a few routes across the state that eventually became US highways and ultimately interstates.  The Dixie Overland Highway became US 80 became I-20.  As has been mentioned here, the Bankhead became US 78, which is now becoming I-22.  You can still find obscure signs that say Bankhead Hwy in some of the towns along the original route, but no one ever uses that name for any significant distance of the route anymore. 

Once a number had been assigned, the name was all but entirely forgotten.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on November 28, 2012, 11:00:28 AM
From the Special Committee on U.S. Route Numbering Annual Meeting (http://route.transportation.org/Documents/SCOH%20Report%2011-16-2012.pdf), It looks like I-22 was conditionally approved, pending approval from FHWA and application from Mississippi.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on December 04, 2012, 01:00:17 AM
I never heard Florida Short Route, but did hear Bankhead Hwy regularly. It seemed to only refer to to portion between Pratt City and Forestdale from about the Cherry Ave intersection down to maybe a couple of miles in either direction.
Title: Interstate 22 Signage Coming to Mississippi?
Post by: Grzrd on December 14, 2012, 11:45:24 AM
From the Special Committee on U.S. Route Numbering Annual Meeting (http://route.transportation.org/Documents/SCOH%20Report%2011-16-2012.pdf), It looks like I-22 was conditionally approved, pending approval from FHWA and application from Mississippi.

AASHTO recently said that Alabama has to wait until Mississippi submits an application, but this Mississippi DOT Press Release (http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Public%20Affairs/Lists/News%20Releases/Item/displayifs.aspx?List=ae1b236c%2D924d%2D498c%2Db14e%2Daafec6dc2864&ID=680&ContentTypeId=0x010087606675CA7A95408B80E8BFBB944273) states that Mississippi has permission to designate US 78 as I-22 from the Alabama state line to US 45 in Tupelo:

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JACKSON, MISS., Friday, December 14, 2012 — The Mississippi Department of Transportation (MDOT) would like to update motorists on the ongoing reconstruction work along Highway 78 in Union County.
MDOT continues bridge repair and reconstruction work on Highway 78 in New Albany on a six-mile section of roadway from just west of State Route 30 to just east of State Route 15. Highway 78 will soon be fully upgraded to interstate standards which will allow it to be converted into Interstate 22.
Hill Brothers Construction Company, Inc. is the contractor for this project with a contract amount of $18,996,585. This project began in March 2012 and is expected to be complete in November of 2013. Presently, the project is approximately 35% complete with 65% remaining. The contractor expects to have the work on the outside lanes complete near the first of the year. MDOT has been approved to designate this section of road, from the Alabama state line to Highway 45 in Tupelo, as Interstate 22.

When and how did MDOT receive approval for the designation?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on December 20, 2012, 01:01:56 PM
Mississippi DOT ("MDOT") has posted District One Updates (http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Public%20Affairs/Lists/News%20Releases/Item/displayifs.aspx?List=ae1b236c%2D924d%2D498c%2Db14e%2Daafec6dc2864&ID=684&ContentTypeId=0x010087606675CA7A95408B80E8BFBB944273), which includes one US 78/ Future I-22 project:

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U.S. Highway 78 Upgrade in Union County
A project to upgrade a section of U.S. Highway 78 to current interstate standards, from just west of State Route 30 to just east of State Route 15 in New Albany, is currently under construction ... This project began in March 2012 and is expected to be complete in November 2013.  The project is approximately 35% complete.

MDOT has also posted District Two Updates (http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Public%20Affairs/Lists/News%20Releases/Item/displayifs.aspx?List=ae1b236c%2D924d%2D498c%2Db14e%2Daafec6dc2864&ID=686&ContentTypeId=0x010087606675CA7A95408B80E8BFBB944273), which includes two US 78/ Future I-22 projects:

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U.S. Highway 78 Rubblization Project in Desoto/Marshall Counties 
Construction is underway on the rubblization project on U.S. Highway 78 between the Coldwater River and West Holly Springs exit in Desoto and Marshall Counties ... In addition to the rubblization and asphalt pavement, other work including new guardrail, signing, pavement marking and drainage repairs will be completed in order to bring this section of U.S. Highway 78 up to interstate standards ... Work has been going on since early 2011, and is approximately 90% complete ...  Work is scheduled for completion in June 2013.

U.S. Highway 78 Rehabilitation Project in Marshall County
... The $21,333,639 project will include overlaying the existing roadway, new pavement markings and signs, and upgrades to the median. In addition, the entrance and exit ramps at the West Holly Springs and Holly Springs interchanges will be extended to meet current interstate standards.   The contractor is currently placing final lifts of asphalt on the guardrail pads along mainline, paving interchange ramps, paving county roads, and placing shoulder gravel.  This work is expected to be completed in December 2012.

Other than the I-269 interchange, MDOT's US 78 upgrade to I-22 should be completed in November 2013.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: drummer_evans_aki on January 03, 2013, 04:46:06 PM
Is there any official word as to where the official Western Terminus of I-22 will be?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Rover_0 on January 03, 2013, 06:01:03 PM
Is there any official word as to where the official Western Terminus of I-22 will be?

And while we're at it, when can we expect US-78 to be entirely upgraded?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 03, 2013, 06:19:32 PM
Is there any official word as to where the official Western Terminus of I-22 will be?

"somewhere in Memphis", just like every other federal route that ends there.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: drummer_evans_aki on January 04, 2013, 10:01:07 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 link=topic=724.msg194555#msg194555

"somewhere in Memphis", just like every other federal route that ends there.

Yeah. But what's interesting is that they have proposals and really, not one winds up in Memphis.

!-55 near Hernando, MS. I-269 near Red Banks, MS. I'm interested in seeing if they'll send it up to I-240 and have it travel west to I-55/I-69.

Fixed the quote tag. - Alex
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: kphoger on January 05, 2013, 12:53:42 PM
federal route

Wow.  No one has posted an emoticon for hitting you over the head yet.  I'm impressed!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alps on January 06, 2013, 12:00:11 AM
federal route

Wow.  No one has posted an emoticon for hitting you over the head yet.  I'm impressed!
Krlrgrz is old hat. That's mtr shenanigans. Who cares when we have Alan?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: hbelkins on January 08, 2013, 12:03:11 PM
Is Alan even still around? He may be gone, but his Land lives on.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: AUTiger7222 on January 12, 2013, 11:28:43 PM
Anyone got new and updated pics! I don't get to Birmingham very much so I haven't seen it in a while.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on January 16, 2013, 02:54:07 PM
Mississippi DOT ("MDOT") has posted District One Updates (http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Public%20Affairs/Lists/News%20Releases/Item/displayifs.aspx?List=ae1b236c%2D924d%2D498c%2Db14e%2Daafec6dc2864&ID=684&ContentTypeId=0x010087606675CA7A95408B80E8BFBB944273), which includes one US 78/ Future I-22 project:
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U.S. Highway 78 Upgrade in Union County
A project to upgrade a section of U.S. Highway 78 to current interstate standards, from just west of State Route 30 to just east of State Route 15 in New Albany, is currently under construction ... This project began in March 2012 and is expected to be complete in November 2013.  The project is approximately 35% complete.

This press release (http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Public%20Affairs/Lists/News%20Releases/Item/displayifs.aspx?List=ae1b236c%2D924d%2D498c%2Db14e%2Daafec6dc2864&ID=735&ContentTypeId=0x010087606675CA7A95408B80E8BFBB944273) indicates that the interstate upgrade is both needed and well-timed because recent wet/freezing weather has been creating dangerous potholes:

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Due to necessary maintenance repairs in the travel lane, motorists should expect intermittent stops in traffic along U.S. Highway 78 between State Route 30 and State Route 15 in New Albany, MS.  The recent wet and freezing wintry weather has begun deteriorating roadway along U.S. Highway 78 by seeping into fissures and breaking up the pavement.  This has resulted in the formation of dangerous potholes along the roadway.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: kphoger on January 16, 2013, 04:18:21 PM
Are freeways and/or Interstates less likely to experience potting than those with stoplights and/or blue and red highway shields?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on January 16, 2013, 04:27:46 PM
^ No. Aging pavement with cracks is more likely to deteriorate than new pavement with (presumably) no cracks. The relevant point is that the roadbed is being upgraded. Louisiana appears to be experiencing similar deterioration. (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=79.msg197020#msg197020)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: kphoger on January 16, 2013, 04:40:48 PM
Right, I was just wondering what the interstate upgrade had to do with it.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on January 16, 2013, 04:47:56 PM
Why?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: kphoger on January 16, 2013, 04:57:06 PM
Would they not have repaved the highway anyway?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on January 16, 2013, 05:25:56 PM
^ As the press release indicates, the potholes are being repaired immediately.  However, the interstate upgrade is a planned, ongoing project. "Interstate" is the correct description of the current upgrade.  I was merely commenting that the ongoing upgrade is fortuitous because of the condition of the current pavement. Take another look:

Mississippi DOT ("MDOT") has posted District One Updates (http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Public%20Affairs/Lists/News%20Releases/Item/displayifs.aspx?List=ae1b236c%2D924d%2D498c%2Db14e%2Daafec6dc2864&ID=684&ContentTypeId=0x010087606675CA7A95408B80E8BFBB944273), which includes one US 78/ Future I-22 project:
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U.S. Highway 78 Upgrade in Union County
A project to upgrade a section of U.S. Highway 78 to current interstate standards.
This press release (http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Public%20Affairs/Lists/News%20Releases/Item/displayifs.aspx?List=ae1b236c%2D924d%2D498c%2Db14e%2Daafec6dc2864&ID=735&ContentTypeId=0x010087606675CA7A95408B80E8BFBB944273) indicates that the interstate upgrade is both needed and well-timed.

I don't see why the use of "interstate" as a descriptive adjective bothers you.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on January 23, 2013, 10:08:58 PM
This TV video report, North Mississippi's First Highway Message Signs (http://wreg.com/2013/01/23/north-mississippis-first-highway-message-signs/) contains some footage of US 78/Future I-22 near Byhalia, Marshall County, MS.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on January 24, 2013, 03:21:48 AM
I can't remember if I-55 in DeSoto County has any message signs. If not, that's interesting that I-22 is getting them first. It makes sense where they are putting the sign, anyway.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on February 27, 2013, 11:22:53 AM
MDOT is installing traffic cameras along the US 78/Future I-22 corridor (http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/story/21347728/mdot-installs-cameras-along-highway-78), including in the vicinity of the Future I-269 interchange.  The cameras are expected to be operational by June and motorists will be able to view road conditions on MDOT's website (it is unclear whether road enthusiasts will be able to catch some glimpses of interchange construction  :sombrero:).  The local TV station had a little fun with the topic:

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According to the Mississippi Department of Transportation the new cameras are just there to monitor traffic.
"But in this area here, there really ain't that much traffic." ....
Some say the cameras aren't needed this far out in the country, and that they may be there for other reasons.
"I don't know? Spying on people?"
"I can't say they are spying on us, but you wouldn't say nothing but they are spying on us when you got these going up."



In case anyone missed it, a recent post in the Birmingham thread (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3539.msg205665#msg205665) provides a link to a 16-photo gallery of February 19 photos of I-65/I-22 interchange construction.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on March 17, 2013, 08:09:31 PM
While doing a search for any updated I-22 info, I came upon this story (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/12/aldot_interstate_22_lane_closu.html) from the Birmingham News/al.com. It warned of lane closures between Exits 65 and 70 in Walker County and close to Exit 85 in Jefferson County for "soil testing."

I am guessing they are did soil borings in those area, but for what? I speculate that it is to design foundations for dynamic message signs to go up later, judging by the location of the lane closures. We shall see.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on April 01, 2013, 09:02:49 AM
My parents noted that I-22 is now signed in Marion County when they took a trip a few weeks ago.  A recent news story I read confirms that.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on April 03, 2013, 04:22:41 PM
The Journal Record in Marion County suggests (http://www.myjrpaper.com/) that I-22 has been signed. Question is whether it will be signed outside of Marion County
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on April 03, 2013, 04:31:44 PM
Oh. Not April Fools?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on April 03, 2013, 04:32:31 PM
Not sure. I really want to take a ride down today since I'm off work and check it out, but the rain may spoil any opportunities for pictures.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on April 03, 2013, 10:36:48 PM
It is indeed signed in Marion County only, for now (this is looking east at the MS/AL State Line):

(http://i.imgur.com/oTutm4U.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lamsalfl on April 03, 2013, 11:17:27 PM
Is this entirely the only sign in the county, making this a token "sneak preview"?  Are there any westbound?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on April 04, 2013, 07:24:35 AM
There are signs westbound as well. Pretty much everywhere there used to be a Future I-22 Corridor sign there is now one of these large shields. I guess there are no signs in Walker or Jefferson Counties yet because those counties are in ALDOT Division 3 while Marion County is in Division 2.

Here is a picture westbound after US 43/278:

(http://i.imgur.com/fTknq0W.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on April 04, 2013, 07:52:17 AM
Somewhat related to I-22; the April 26th ALDOT letting has a project (http://alletting.dot.state.al.us/WEBPROPS/2013/NTCApril262013.htm#CALL060) to widen Coalburg Road between I-22 and Daniel Payne Drive.

Coalburg Road is the last exit (http://goo.gl/maps/ZrD4j) open on I-22 going eastbound. Right now it dumps traffic onto a two-lane road. Trucks aren't supposed to use I-22 past the US 78 exit in Graysville. This project may allow trucks to use the entire open stretch of I-22 once the widening project is finished, and should be a stop-gap solution until the I-22/I-65 interchange is complete.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 04, 2013, 12:47:51 PM
no state name?  both states are using the state name on new installs, no?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on April 04, 2013, 01:08:15 PM
And here is another article (http://www.mountaineagle.com/view/full_story/22151613/article-Interstate-22-signs-going-up?instance=main_article) about the I-22 signs going up. Apparently they will be going up in Walker County too.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on April 04, 2013, 02:05:11 PM
It is indeed signed in Marion County only, for now (this is looking east at the MS/AL State Line

Thanks for great field confirmation on a rainy day!  :thumbsup:

AASHTO recently said that Alabama has to wait until Mississippi submits an application, but this Mississippi DOT Press Release (http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Public%20Affairs/Lists/News%20Releases/Item/displayifs.aspx?List=ae1b236c%2D924d%2D498c%2Db14e%2Daafec6dc2864&ID=680&ContentTypeId=0x010087606675CA7A95408B80E8BFBB944273) states that Mississippi has permission to designate US 78 as I-22 from the Alabama state line to US 45 in Tupelo:
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... MDOT has been approved to designate this section of road, from the Alabama state line to Highway 45 in Tupelo, as Interstate 22.

Now, will Mississippi follow Alabama's lead?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on April 04, 2013, 03:27:36 PM
Please move US 78 back to the old road.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on April 04, 2013, 04:45:05 PM
Please move US 78 back to the old road.

The old road is discontinuous in two spots.  So good luck with that.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on April 04, 2013, 04:47:08 PM
Impossible in at least two locations (Tenn-Tom and MS/AL line) due to the old road simply no longer existing.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 04, 2013, 05:14:07 PM
Please move US 78 back to the old road.

The old road is discontinuous in two spots.  So good luck with that.

it can be moved back on quite a few spots, then.  US-5 was blown away by I-91 in precisely one spot; it is simply multiplexed there.  the rest of it is independent routing.  78/22 can be done analogously.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on April 04, 2013, 07:16:08 PM
From the Special Committee on U.S. Route Numbering Annual Meeting (http://route.transportation.org/Documents/SCOH%20Report%2011-16-2012.pdf), It looks like I-22 was conditionally approved, pending approval from FHWA and application from Mississippi.

By not waiting on the application from Mississippi, Alabama did not wait for AASHTO approval before installing the signs.  On the other hand, an email response I received from MDOT today indicates they do indeed have FHWA approval and are simply waiting for AASHTO approval before signing the MS/AL state line to US 45 in Tupelo segment as I-22:

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FHWA has approved the section between the State-line and US 45, but there is still one step left before we install signs. This will be taken up and voted on by the AASHTO Route Committee this spring. Once they approve, then we will be able to install signs.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on April 04, 2013, 08:17:11 PM
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it can be moved back on quite a few spots, then.  US-5 was blown away by I-91 in precisely one spot; it is simply multiplexed there.  the rest of it is independent routing.  78/22 can be done analogously.

Not if AASHTO is following their own standards.  Their policy on US route numbering states that US routes should be over the shortest routes and the best roads.  Existing US routes paralleling Interstates (i.e. your I-91/US 5 example) remain because their respective states never got around to moving them.  But since US 78 has moved to the freeway, it shouldn't go back.  For AASHTO to approve putting it back on the old road would be to go against their own policy.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on April 04, 2013, 08:31:13 PM
Screw AASHTO. NC ignored them when moving US 117 off I-795.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 04, 2013, 09:01:20 PM
Not if AASHTO is following their own standards.  Their policy on US route numbering states that US routes should be over the shortest routes and the best roads.  Existing US routes paralleling Interstates (i.e. your I-91/US 5 example) remain because their respective states never got around to moving them.  But since US 78 has moved to the freeway, it shouldn't go back.  For AASHTO to approve putting it back on the old road would be to go against their own policy.

was this the policy when US-40 was moved onto I-70 in Ohio, and then moved back off, in the 1970s?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on April 04, 2013, 09:14:49 PM
Existing US routes paralleling Interstates (i.e. your I-91/US 5 example) remain because their respective states never got around to moving them.
More like they chose not to move them (or moved them back in the early days, like US 1/I-95 in eastern Connecticut and Mr. Steel's US 40/I-70). AASHTO eventually admitted its mistake in trying to eliminate split-suffixed routes in the 1930s and 40s.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on April 05, 2013, 09:36:21 PM
In this case, because US 78 ends in Memphis and it has multiple breaks in its route (in addition to the two physical breaks in the route, existing MS 178 is discontinuous in signage in both Holly Springs and Tupelo), the route is really redundant west of Birmingham and probably should be decommissioned or be moved to a more independently useful route.

At best I could see justification for putting US 78 back onto the AL 5-118 route east of US 43, where I-22 is not as closely parallel to the old US 78 routing.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: WashuOtaku on April 06, 2013, 01:59:11 PM
Screw AASHTO. NC ignored them when moving US 117 off I-795.

NCDOT got an exception moving US 117 back on its old route when they created I-795, so bigger trucks can use the new freeway.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on April 06, 2013, 03:23:32 PM
Screw AASHTO. NC ignored them when moving US 117 off I-795.

NCDOT got an exception moving US 117 back on its old route when they created I-795, so bigger trucks can use the new freeway.

Huh? They submitted the change to AASHTO but were denied.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: cjk374 on April 13, 2013, 10:48:50 PM
In this case, because US 78 ends in Memphis and it has multiple breaks in its route (in addition to the two physical breaks in the route, existing MS 178 is discontinuous in signage in both Holly Springs and Tupelo), the route is really redundant west of Birmingham and probably should be decommissioned or be moved to a more independently useful route.

At best I could see justification for putting US 78 back onto the AL 5-118 route east of US 43, where I-22 is not as closely parallel to the old US 78 routing.
IMHO, all interstates need a parallel route close by in case a detour is needed due to any blockages or hinderances on the interstate.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on April 14, 2013, 01:00:03 AM
IMHO, all interstates need a parallel route close by in case a detour is needed due to any blockages or hinderances on the interstate.

I'm not saying MS 178 and AL 118 should be bulldozed and the earth salted so all traffic is forced to stay on I-22.  There's just no need to move US 78 back to the old route.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on April 14, 2013, 06:50:54 AM
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IMHO, all interstates need a parallel route close by in case a detour is needed due to any blockages or hinderances on the interstate.

I don't disagree, but as with lordsutch, there's no need for such a parallel route to be a US route.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alps on April 14, 2013, 07:15:58 AM
In this case, because US 78 ends in Memphis and it has multiple breaks in its route (in addition to the two physical breaks in the route, existing MS 178 is discontinuous in signage in both Holly Springs and Tupelo), the route is really redundant west of Birmingham and probably should be decommissioned or be moved to a more independently useful route.

At best I could see justification for putting US 78 back onto the AL 5-118 route east of US 43, where I-22 is not as closely parallel to the old US 78 routing.
IMHO, all interstates need a parallel route close by in case a detour is needed due to any blockages or hinderances on the interstate.
IMHO, all highways need a parallel route close by in case a detour is needed. Oh, yeah, that'd be silly.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on April 14, 2013, 08:12:46 AM
Not so silly. Connectivity is a very good thing no matter where you are.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alps on April 15, 2013, 10:58:27 PM
Not so silly. Connectivity is a very good thing no matter where you are.
What I said is silly. Connectivity is not.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on April 26, 2013, 04:00:27 PM
AL.com has posted a 21 photo gallery of April 15, 2013 work on the I-22/I-65 interchange (http://photos.al.com/4461/gallery/i-65_i-22_interchange_construction_4-15-2013/index.html).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on April 27, 2013, 09:17:10 PM
Why do I look at these pictures and think that there's not a snowball's chance in hell that the interchange will be completed by the announced target date of October, 2014?  It seems like every time I drive through this it's hard to see a lot of tangible progress.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Bamaroadgeek on May 01, 2013, 09:44:29 PM
Why do I look at these pictures and think that there's not a snowball's chance in hell that the interchange will be completed by the announced target date of October, 2014? 

Because there's not.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on May 05, 2013, 08:56:42 PM
Update on the I-22/I-65 interchange:

I drove through there yesterday.  There are now two separate, and from what it appears rather temporary, exits from I-65 to U.S. 31 just north of the 22/65 interchange.  (Sorry that I couldn't stop and take pictures).  Progress is being made on the construction, although sometimes it's hard to recognize it.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on May 06, 2013, 10:37:30 AM
Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on May 28, 2013, 07:55:34 AM
As of last weekend, I-22 is still only signed in Marion County, Alabama. Walker and Jefferson Counties don't have new signs up for it. As far as I know, Mississippi hasn't put up any I-22 signs, either.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on May 28, 2013, 02:30:22 PM
As of last weekend, I-22 is still only signed in Marion County, Alabama. Walker and Jefferson Counties don't have new signs up for it. As far as I know, Mississippi hasn't put up any I-22 signs, either.

As of Sunday there were no standalone I-22 signs between exits 6 & 30 and 86-state line in MS, and none east of exit 39 in AL.  (There were none between MS exits 30 and 86 about 10 days ago, and I doubt that's changed.)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on June 03, 2013, 09:28:55 AM
The I-22 signs are up in Jefferson County and Walker County at least between Coalburg and the Jasper exits. Don't know about west of Jasper. Saw them yesterday as I traveled between Jasper and Bham. Oddly in Walker Co. the I-22 signs were placed right next to the "future" I-22 signs.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on June 03, 2013, 10:57:27 AM
The I-22 signs are up in Jefferson County and Walker County at least between Coalburg and the Jasper exits. Don't know about west of Jasper. Saw them yesterday as I traveled between Jasper and Bham. Oddly in Walker Co. the I-22 signs were placed right next to the "future" I-22 signs.

Are they the big large signs like the ones in Marion County?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on June 03, 2013, 04:23:12 PM
No, just single post. At least the ones I saw.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on June 03, 2013, 05:39:56 PM
No, just single post. At least the ones I saw.

I guess they didn't want to make the existing US 78 signs look puny by comparison.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on June 06, 2013, 04:25:58 PM
Per rcm195, I went down to Walker and Jefferson Counties to photograph the I-22 signs. I-22 signs are up in Walker and parts of Jefferson County (the part of I-22 maintained by the Jasper district of ALDOT). Just like with Marion County signs, they are only posted on the mainline and not on the crossroads (at least not yet). These are smaller than the Marion County signs, and aren't neutered (yay!). Unfortunately, they replaced the US 78 signs, and US 78 is nowhere to be seen on the mainline anymore. Further, US 78 has not reappeared on the old alignment (now AL 5). The Birmingham district of ALDOT has yet to put I-22 signs on its stretch (from Hillcrest Road/Exit 89 eastward)

(http://i.imgur.com/rQ3d42c.jpg)

I-22 west approaching US 78/AL 5 in Graysville.

(http://i.imgur.com/Fhue5X8.jpg)

I-22 west just east of the Walker/Jefferson County line.


(http://i.imgur.com/UUuG8d8.jpg)

I-22 west just west of Walker CR 81. As rcm195 mentioned, the Future I-22 sign wasn't removed. I'm sure it will be gone soon.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on June 10, 2013, 12:44:59 PM
Thanks for taking the time to take & post the pics. 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tomahawkin on June 10, 2013, 11:29:45 PM
There Needs To be some development along I-22 right before Birmingham, That Truckstop near the I-65 interchange (Along that Industrial 5 lane road) is wayyy too congested
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: SSF on June 11, 2013, 01:42:07 PM
There is plenty of space for development all along I-22, so that shouldnt be a problem.

Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on June 11, 2013, 09:18:21 PM
If I-22 signs are going up without companion US 78 sinage, it could be that US 78 becomes a silent duplex with I-22 in western Alabama, much like US 85 and US 87 are with I-25 in Colorado.  I would not expect Alabama to formally decommisioned US 78 west of Birmingham, especially since they could not unless Mississippi and Tennessee did the same, and I don't expect that to happen either.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alps on June 12, 2013, 07:01:28 PM
If I-22 signs are going up without companion US 78 sinage, it could be that US 78 becomes a silent duplex with I-22 in western Alabama, much like US 85 and US 87 are with I-25 in Colorado.  I would not expect Alabama to formally decommisioned US 78 west of Birmingham, especially since they could not unless Mississippi and Tennessee did the same, and I don't expect that to happen either.
Well we know for sure it's not going back on the old road, since large stretches have become various signed state highways, and others have reverted to counties (ignoring those that are cut off).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on June 17, 2013, 10:07:39 PM
More photos from the I-22/I-65 interchange construction, from www.al.com, as well as news about lane closures...

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2013/06/interstate_65_planned_lane_clo.html#incart_river_default
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on June 18, 2013, 01:06:51 PM
What's the estimated completion date for this intersection?  Fall 2014?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on June 19, 2013, 12:11:27 AM
Fall of '14 is what they're saying.  Looks like they have miles to go before they sleep, though.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: berberry on June 22, 2013, 07:10:15 AM
What about the western end of I-22?  Unfortunately, the only MDOT district that keeps the public informed about progress on road projects is the one in South Ms and the Gulf Coast, so it's been a loooong time since I've heard anything official about the 69-related freeways going in around Memphis.  Do we know yet precisely where the western terminus of 22 will be, and does anyone know the latest construction status there?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on June 22, 2013, 09:31:07 PM
What about the western end of I-22?  Unfortunately, the only MDOT district that keeps the public informed about progress on road projects is the one in South Ms and the Gulf Coast, so it's been a loooong time since I've heard anything official about the 69-related freeways going in around Memphis.  Do we know yet precisely where the western terminus of 22 will be, and does anyone know the latest construction status there?
My understanding is it was originally supposed to tie in with I-240, but seeing how fast the work is progressing on I-269, it wouldn't surprise me to see it tie into I-269, temporarily, since upgrading US 78 to interstate standard is supposed to be a costly proposition, and I-269 will connect directly with I-55/69 albeit to the south and eventually the north. That at least is my "understanding"..I could be wrong. I'm just glad ALDOT finally just started to sign I-22, since it is at Interstate standards.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: richllewis on June 22, 2013, 09:46:50 PM
From the schedule I have seen from Memphis, I thought I saw that Lamar Ave which is US 78 in Memphis they are supposed to do something with US 78 coming from Mississippi to various parts of Memphis. And the last thing I saw was they had scheduled Right of Way acquisition funding along Lamar Ave. Based on that I would say that hooking up to I-240 may be a long way off.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on June 22, 2013, 10:10:50 PM
Yeah, it looks like the I-22/I-269 connection seems more likely, given the progress made on I-269. It could connect with I-240, but that seems a while off.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on June 22, 2013, 10:30:55 PM
You can always send I-22 up I-269 to SR 385.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on June 22, 2013, 10:44:21 PM
You can always send I-22 up I-269 to SR 385.
Given Tennessee's enthusiasm regarding I-69, I'd say that's very probable.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on June 23, 2013, 04:13:00 AM
When I asked MDOT the question years ago, the answer I got was a mix between ending it at I-269 or routing it along I-269 to end at I-55/69.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 27, 2013, 02:03:05 PM
I say sending I-69 packing.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on June 28, 2013, 12:14:18 AM
TN 385 from I-240 to I-269 at least wouldn't be up to current Interstate standards I think; there are some curves that are too sharp (the 90 degree turn north of Winchester in particular) and the shoulders are too narrow.  Plus I think the AADT added with I-22 traffic would require widening the 4-lane part.  My guess, as Froggie suggests, would be truncating at I-269 or getting a waiver to "temporarily" truncate at the state line and putting the ball in TDOT's court.

As for Lamar, my understanding is they do plan to add interchanges at Shelby Drive and Holmes Road but leave some at-grades in place.  It'd be nice if they extended full control of access to Winchester at least (and NW of there to I-240 it's all depressed property that could be relocated if TDOT had the cash) but there's a lot of warehouse traffic that uses the at-grade accesses.  Probably the best you might see is RIRO.

As for TDOT's "lack of enthusiasm" for I-69, it's more the northern part of 8 that isn't really justified based on traffic now (and being stuck with a half-finished SIU 7 that they need to finish to justify the hardly-used stuff that's already built, which they started because it was all that had gotten environmental clearance when they had the money).  SIU 9 has fairly immediate need, and suburban growth is finally getting up towards Covington (hence the TN 14 widening parallel to US 51 to the east), justifying SIU 8 up to the Hatchie River or so - once you get north of there, the towns are effectively bypassed except Dyersburg proper.  And TDOT is probably going to be done with I-269 (except the stub to I-69 at Millington, which is pointless to build except as part of the I-69 contract) before MDOT meets up.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on June 28, 2013, 09:12:32 AM
TDOT in its three-year plan (http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/documents/FY14.pdf) proposes to buy right of way for improvements on Lamar Avenue (US 78) between the MS State Line and Shelby Drive in FY14.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 28, 2013, 01:24:46 PM
TN 385 from I-240 to I-269 at least wouldn't be up to current Interstate standards I think; there are some curves that are too sharp (the 90 degree turn north of Winchester in particular) and the shoulders are too narrow.  Plus I think the AADT added with I-22 traffic would require widening the 4-lane part.  My guess, as Froggie suggests, would be truncating at I-269 or getting a waiver to "temporarily" truncate at the state line and putting the ball in TDOT's court.

As for Lamar, my understanding is they do plan to add interchanges at Shelby Drive and Holmes Road but leave some at-grades in place.  It'd be nice if they extended full control of access to Winchester at least (and NW of there to I-240 it's all depressed property that could be relocated if TDOT had the cash) but there's a lot of warehouse traffic that uses the at-grade accesses.  Probably the best you might see is RIRO.

As for TDOT's "lack of enthusiasm" for I-69, it's more the northern part of 8 that isn't really justified based on traffic now (and being stuck with a half-finished SIU 7 that they need to finish to justify the hardly-used stuff that's already built, which they started because it was all that had gotten environmental clearance when they had the money).  SIU 9 has fairly immediate need, and suburban growth is finally getting up towards Covington (hence the TN 14 widening parallel to US 51 to the east), justifying SIU 8 up to the Hatchie River or so - once you get north of there, the towns are effectively bypassed except Dyersburg proper.  And TDOT is probably going to be done with I-269 (except the stub to I-69 at Millington, which is pointless to build except as part of the I-69 contract) before MDOT meets up.
The lack of enthusiasm also relates to conservative and smart fiscal policy.  Why build something that we didn't ask for?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on June 29, 2013, 02:46:26 AM
The lack of enthusiasm also relates to conservative and smart fiscal policy.  Why build something that we didn't ask for?

SIU 7 and SIU 9 are logical extensions of existing freeways to provide regional connectivity, as is the southern part of SIU 8.  And 20 years down the road the rest of SIU 8 will likely have the traffic need to justify it too.  And plenty of folks in west Tennessee want I-69, even if the Nashville crowd doesn't (just as plenty of middle Tennessee people wanted SR 840 even though it's useless for much except cutting the corner of I-24 east to I-40 west).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Avalanchez71 on June 29, 2013, 04:15:40 AM
True.  Remember that the political clout of this state moved away from the West.  I only really wanted a partial 840.  The road really bests serves Franklin-Murfreesboro movements. 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rte66man on June 29, 2013, 02:08:15 PM
.....justifying SIU 8 up to the Hatchie River or so - once you get north of there, the towns are effectively bypassed except Dyersburg proper.... 

Ripley seems to have moved lock stock and barrel out to US51. Four traffic signals IIRC.  Pain in the ass. 

rte66man
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: AUTiger7222 on June 30, 2013, 02:36:33 AM
It's been a while since I've seen this in person. I've only seen the pictures that have been posted on here. Next Sunday I'll be traveling down south. I can't wait to see with my own eyes how much progress has been made since the last time I've traveled south through there which was back around January or February. Judging from the pictures quite a lot has happened in the months that have passed.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on July 21, 2013, 01:03:49 PM
This July 8 article (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2013/07/detours_to_begin_tuesday_for_7.html) indicates that Coalburg Road, the primary link between the completed portion of Interstate 22 and Interstate 65 via Daniel Payne Drive, is currently undergoing a widening project and various detours may be in place until 2015.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 29, 2013, 03:02:32 PM
Here is a photo gallery (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2013/07/i-65_i-22_corridor_x_interchan.html#incart_river_default) showing pictures of the I-22/65 interchange construction. Work is going well for the EB I-22 to NB I-65 flyover, and beams are being installed for the NB I-65 to WB I-22 flyover.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on August 01, 2013, 08:14:32 PM
I've been looking through old AASHTO change logs, and in 1999 a relocation of US 78 was approved over future I-22, rejoining the current alignment using US 31. I had assumed it would use I-65.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on August 01, 2013, 10:01:50 PM
On Coalburg Rd, there is now a temporary diversion in place between Daniel Payne Drive and Republic Drive.  It looks like the clearing work is pretty much underway; like the AL 129 widening a decade ago, I'm sure it'll be done just after the need for it evaporates with the next I-22 segment opening.

I-22 reassurance markers seem to be in place pretty much throughout the Alabama portion, and in Walker County they seem to have displaced US 78 signs completely, except on the few overheads (none of which have been updated).  No I-22 signs westbound yet in Mississippi.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on August 01, 2013, 10:44:36 PM
I-22 reassurance markers seem to be in place pretty much throughout the Alabama portion, and in Walker County they seem to have displaced US 78 signs completely, except on the few overheads (none of which have been updated).  No I-22 signs westbound yet in Mississippi.

I haven't yet seen any I-22 signs off the main roadway at interchanges or anywhere else. Those still show US 78 and sometimes AL 4.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on August 11, 2013, 05:50:21 PM
Is there any word on what the control city for I-22 West will be at I-65?  Both Tupelo and Memphis make sense, but I wonder which will it be?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: barcncpt44 on August 11, 2013, 10:30:08 PM
Jasper is used as the control city at interchanges.  So it might be Jasper and Memphis.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on August 12, 2013, 09:43:47 AM
Is there any word on what the control city for I-22 West will be at I-65?  Both Tupelo and Memphis make sense, but I wonder which will it be?

The plans for the I-22/I-65 interchange have the control city as Memphis.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Henry on August 13, 2013, 10:47:55 AM
Is there any word on what the control city for I-22 West will be at I-65?  Both Tupelo and Memphis make sense, but I wonder which will it be?
The plans for the I-22/I-65 interchange have the control city as Memphis.

I do expect the control city to be Memphis, but where I-22's actual western end will be is an ongoing guessing game.

Fixed quote. (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on August 13, 2013, 12:28:50 PM
Should be Memphis. Jasper is more of a "next three exits" sort of town.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on August 13, 2013, 12:35:17 PM
Whatever they pick I wished they would just be consistent throughout instead of switching between Memphis, Jasper, Hamilton, and Tupelo.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Avalanchez71 on August 13, 2013, 03:43:01 PM
I would imagine that it would be Memphis to begin with.  Later down the road they may change it to Jasper and Tupelo.  The intial naming gives the road legitimacy and familiarity.  The politicians love to sell this stuff.  We built a road that connects us to the intermodal captial that Memphis is sans Fed Ex.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: DBR96A on August 21, 2013, 04:29:21 AM
So, is the big I-22/I-65 interchange 'nado-proof? :-|
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on August 21, 2013, 11:46:02 PM
Watch it be labeled as Memphis from Alabama, but as soon as it crosses into Mississippi you can expect MDOT to post up the name of every 2 traffic light town in between.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on August 22, 2013, 06:39:08 AM
Watch it be labeled as Memphis from Alabama, but as soon as it crosses into Mississippi you can expect MDOT to post up the name of every 2 traffic light town in between.

MDOT uses Tupelo, Birmingham, and Memphis as control cities now. ALDOT also uses Tupelo in some spots (around Jasper and west of Hamilton).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Crazy Volvo Guy on August 25, 2013, 02:05:55 PM
I-22 reassurance markers seem to be in place pretty much throughout the Alabama portion, and in Walker County they seem to have displaced US 78 signs completely

And for visible proof of this, taken yesterday while enroute to Augusta, GA (8/24/13):
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: bdmoss88 on August 25, 2013, 08:47:58 PM
I-22 reassurance markers seem to be in place pretty much throughout the Alabama portion, and in Walker County they seem to have displaced US 78 signs completely

And for visible proof of this, taken yesterday while enroute to Augusta, GA (8/24/13):

And they left the AL-4 signs. Hmm.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tomahawkin on September 02, 2013, 01:24:34 AM
While driving towards Memphis on U.S. 78, I saw 4 sets of 3 column bridge piers in a construction zone about 8-9 miles SE of the 302 Olive Branch/Southhaven exit. Is that where they are planning the intersection on I-22 and I-269? Keep in Mind as well that 5-0 likes to hide in that area because its a desolate location
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Rover_0 on September 02, 2013, 02:22:08 AM
I-22 reassurance markers seem to be in place pretty much throughout the Alabama portion, and in Walker County they seem to have displaced US 78 signs completely

And for visible proof of this, taken yesterday while enroute to Augusta, GA (8/24/13):

Now look what you've made me do...I'm now listening to Sultans of Swing! :P

Anyways, I keep wondering if US-78 eventually gets decommissioned west of Birmingham.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on September 02, 2013, 02:50:15 AM
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While driving towards Memphis on U.S. 78, I saw 4 sets of 3 column bridge piers in a construction zone about 8-9 miles SE of the 302 Olive Branch/Southhaven exit. Is that where they are planning the intersection on I-22 and I-269?

That's probably the location, especially if it was near the DeSoto/Marshall County line.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tomahawkin on September 03, 2013, 07:26:20 PM
Yes it was abt 2 miles after the West Byhalia exit heading SE on US 78. I saw it in the daytime yesterday and it seems they are just doing the preliminary stages of the interchange.

Also The multiple Bridgework (To make the Bridges comply with interstate standards) near the Oxford Area still has a lot left. that Project probably wont be complete til Spring 2014
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on September 25, 2013, 12:24:07 AM
The latest photos of the I-22/I-65 interchange, posted online today at al.com (The Birmingham News):

http://photos.al.com/birmingham-news/2013/09/i-65_i-22_interchange_construc_27.html#incart_photo
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on September 25, 2013, 09:34:23 AM
Thanks for the link Charles2.  Looks like they are still a year or more away.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on September 29, 2013, 03:00:50 PM
I drove out there today to take a look at the progress.  Judging from the fact that some of the permanent sign gantries are in place on what will eventually be the northbound c/d lanes from the new Daniel Payne Drive (41st Avenue) on-ramp, as well as the amount of pavement on both the c/d lanes as well as the new northbound lanes, my guess is we're not too far from all traffic being diverted onto the new pavement, while the old roadway (nb and sb) undergoes its makeover.  It probably won't be until traffic is diverted from the existing lanes that the remainder of the old 47th Avenue overpass can be demolished.

North of the new interchange is a mess, and that's charitable.  I'm sure that the wet weather we had in the Birmingham area this summer has put the project further behind than they would have liked.  Like many others, I don't see how the project can be completed by next October as they originally projected.  My guess is that it will be in January or February of '15.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on September 29, 2013, 05:26:18 PM
What does it look like at the overpass to US 31 where they had to remove soil to accommodate the C-D lanes? I'm guessing that is where a lot of the mess is.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on September 30, 2013, 09:18:29 AM
What about the western end of I-22? ... Do we know yet precisely where the western terminus of 22 will be, and does anyone know the latest construction status there?
You can always send I-22 up I-269 to SR 385.

While recently looking at the FHWA corridors in regard to I-49, I noticed that FHWA's position is that I-22 is the Congessionally mandated designation for High Priority Corridor 45 (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/high_priority_corridors/hpcor.cfm#l45):

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45.The United States Route 78 Corridor from Memphis, Tennessee, to Corridor X of the Appalachian Development Highway System near Fulton, Mississippi, and Corridor X of the Appalachian Development Highway System extending from near Fulton, Mississippi, to near Birmingham, Alabama. [I-22]

How strict will FHWA's interpretation of the language be with the mandate of "the United States Route 78 Corridor from Memphis, Tennessee ..."?  Would a terminus along US 78 at I-269 suffice?  Would FHWA be OK with NE2's suggestion to enter Memphis via TN 385?

For comparison's sake, I-49's current northern teminus at I-435 is within the Kansas City city limits, thus meeting the "Kansas City" requirement of High Priority Corridor 72 (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/high_priority_corridors/hpcor.cfm#l72):

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72.The North-South corridor, along Interstate Route 49 North, from Kansas City, Missouri, to Shreveport, Louisiana.

A closer comparison may be with Laredo and I-69. High Priority Corridor 20 (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/high_priority_corridors/hpcor.cfm#l20) requires:

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20.United States Route 59 Corridor from Laredo, Texas, through Houston, Texas, to the vicinity of Texarkana, Texas. [I-69]

If I interpret Google Maps correctly, the current US 59/Loop 20 interchange is within Laredo's city limits, which would comply with the statute (at the other end, an interchange with I-30 near the TexAmericas Center (located in New Boston, west of the Texarkana city limits) may have already been contemplated as reflected by the language "to the vicinity of Texarkana").  OTOH it looks like a new connector from Loop 20 to US 59 outside of the city limits would make sense, and by a common-sense standard would be an exception that would comply with the "United States Route 59 Corridor from Laredo" requirement.

Am I nitpicking? Probably. However, FHWA might nitpick, too.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on September 30, 2013, 09:26:16 AM
If we're going to nitpick, then I-49 South is nonsense: "United States Route 90 from I-49 in Lafayette, Louisiana, to I-10 in New Orleans."
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on September 30, 2013, 11:39:29 PM
What does it look like at the overpass to US 31 where they had to remove soil to accommodate the C-D lanes? I'm guessing that is where a lot of the mess is.

That's a mess as well.  If I had to guess, it won't open in tandem with the I-22/I-65 interchange.
Title: I-22 in MS Update
Post by: Grzrd on October 11, 2013, 08:41:51 PM
How strict will FHWA's interpretation of the language be with the mandate of "the United States Route 78 Corridor from Memphis, Tennessee ..."?  Would a terminus along US 78 at I-269 suffice?

I recently emailed MDOT in pursuit of answers to the above questions. I think the answer is that an I-22 western terminus at I-269 is still strongly under consideration.  Also, MDOT currently estimates the reconstruction of the US 78/MS 15 interchange at New Albany to be completed in early 2014 and a new interchange at Coley Road west of Tupelo (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Coley+Road,+Tupelo,+MS&hl=en&ll=34.309023,-88.771334&spn=0.027579,0.038581&sll=33.767713,-84.420604&sspn=0.444087,0.617294&oq=coley+road+tupelo+ms&t=h&hnear=Coley+Rd,+Tupelo,+Lee,+Mississippi&z=15) is scheduled to be let in November.  Regarding the western terminus question, here are my question and MDOT's answer (you interpret the answer):

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Q: In looking at FHWA's website it looks like Congress has specified the corridor for I-22: http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/high_priority_corridors/hpcor.cfm#l45 "45.The United States Route 78 Corridor from Memphis, Tennessee, to Corridor X of the Appalachian Development Highway System near Fulton, Mississippi, and Corridor X of the Appalachian Development Highway System extending from near Fulton, Mississippi, to near Birmingham, Alabama. [I-22]" With that language in mind, it appears that MDOT will need to sign US 78 as I-22 all of the way to the state line once US 78 is interstate-grade. Is that MDOT's current plan? Also, in a related fashion, when does MDOT anticipate that all of the US 78 upgrade- to I-22 projects will be completed, in particular the work around New Albany?
 
A: MDOT’s current plan is to sign the entire length of US 78 as I-22. There is ongoing work to complete I-269 from I-55 to the Tennessee State Line around the eastern side of the Memphis metro area. There is still an open discussion as to where the western terminus of I-22 will be. It will most likely be at the interchange of US 78 and I-269, but this has not been finalized. MDOT is also going to let a project in November to construct a new interchange on US 78 @ Coley Road near Tupelo. Also, the reconstruction of the US 78 / MS 15 interchange at New Albany is scheduled for completion in early 2014.
With all this in mind, it may be a few more years before the transition of US 78 to I-22 is complete.

Two questions:

(1) Looking at the Google map, it appears that Coley Road is intended to serve as some type of a northern and western bypass of Tupelo. Does anyone have some good info on the plans for Coley Road?

(2) This will probably eventually be a "welcome back to work" question for someone at FHWA, but here it is: Assuming US 78 is interstate-grade from the TN state line to I-269, would FHWA permit MDOT to only designate US 78 from the AL state line to I-269 as I-22?  Or, would FHWA make it an "all or nothing" proposition for MDOT?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on October 11, 2013, 08:46:13 PM
Would FHWA permit NCDOT to only designate parts of I-73 and I-74? Oh wait, they have.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on October 11, 2013, 08:49:53 PM
Would FHWA permit NCDOT to only designate parts of I-73 and I-74? Oh wait, they have.

Interesting. Which interstate-grade designated sections are connected to interstate-grade non-designated sections?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on October 11, 2013, 08:56:16 PM
Would FHWA permit NCDOT to only designate parts of I-73 and I-74? Oh wait, they have.

Interesting. Which interstate-grade designated sections are connected to interstate-grade non-designated sections?

Future I-73/I-840 north of I-40 is new construction, so presumably up to Interstate standards. http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/nhs_maps/north_carolina/greensboro_nc.pdf shows it as I-73, but currently it's signed future north of I-40: http://people.duke.edu/~rmalme/i73seg4.html#seg5
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on October 11, 2013, 08:59:11 PM
Would FHWA permit NCDOT to only designate parts of I-73 and I-74? Oh wait, they have.
Interesting. Which interstate-grade designated sections are connected to interstate-grade non-designated sections?
Future I-73/I-840 north of I-40 is new construction, so presumably up to Interstate standards. http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/nhs_maps/north_carolina/greensboro_nc.pdf shows it as I-73, but currently it's signed future north of I-40: http://people.duke.edu/~rmalme/i73seg4.html#seg5

Do you have a non-3di concurrency example?



http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/nhs_maps/north_carolina/greensboro_nc.pdf shows it as I-73, but currently it's signed future north of I-40: http://people.duke.edu/~rmalme/i73seg4.html#seg5

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Because of the new official routing of I-73 discussed above, the route of this proposed section changed as well from its first conception. Originally, I-73 was to use I-40 to get from the NC 68 interchange to the US 220 freeway. This route had I-73 following I-40 along its current path to near the current Chimney Rock Road exit where it would then take the route of the Greensboro Urban Loop (Painter Blvd.). Now the I-73 route will use Bryan Blvd, a divided highway but not up to interstate standards its whole length (see above), and then I-73 will join the Loop 3.5 miles north of I-40 and travel south (with the highway being signed as Future I-73/ Future I-840, for now)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on October 11, 2013, 09:33:30 PM
How strict will FHWA's interpretation of the language be with the mandate of "the United States Route 78 Corridor from Memphis, Tennessee ..."?  Would a terminus along US 78 at I-269 suffice?

I recently emailed MDOT in pursuit of answers to the above questions. I think the answer is that an I-22 western terminus at I-269 is still strongly under consideration.  Also, MDOT currently estimates the reconstruction of the US 78/MS 15 interchange at New Albany to be completed in early 2014 and a new interchange at Coley Road west of Tupelo (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Coley+Road,+Tupelo,+MS&hl=en&ll=34.309023,-88.771334&spn=0.027579,0.038581&sll=33.767713,-84.420604&sspn=0.444087,0.617294&oq=coley+road+tupelo+ms&t=h&hnear=Coley+Rd,+Tupelo,+Lee,+Mississippi&z=15) is scheduled to be let in November.  Regarding the western terminus question, here are my question and MDOT's answer (you interpret the answer):

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Q: In looking at FHWA's website it looks like Congress has specified the corridor for I-22: http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/high_priority_corridors/hpcor.cfm#l45 "45.The United States Route 78 Corridor from Memphis, Tennessee, to Corridor X of the Appalachian Development Highway System near Fulton, Mississippi, and Corridor X of the Appalachian Development Highway System extending from near Fulton, Mississippi, to near Birmingham, Alabama. [I-22]" With that language in mind, it appears that MDOT will need to sign US 78 as I-22 all of the way to the state line once US 78 is interstate-grade. Is that MDOT's current plan? Also, in a related fashion, when does MDOT anticipate that all of the US 78 upgrade- to I-22 projects will be completed, in particular the work around New Albany?
 
A: MDOT’s current plan is to sign the entire length of US 78 as I-22. There is ongoing work to complete I-269 from I-55 to the Tennessee State Line around the eastern side of the Memphis metro area. There is still an open discussion as to where the western terminus of I-22 will be. It will most likely be at the interchange of US 78 and I-269, but this has not been finalized. MDOT is also going to let a project in November to construct a new interchange on US 78 @ Coley Road near Tupelo. Also, the reconstruction of the US 78 / MS 15 interchange at New Albany is scheduled for completion in early 2014.
With all this in mind, it may be a few more years before the transition of US 78 to I-22 is complete.

Two questions:

(1) Looking at the Google map, it appears that Coley Road is intended to serve as some type of a northern and western bypass of Tupelo. Does anyone have some good info on the plans for Coley Road?

(2) This will probably eventually be a "welcome back to work" question for someone at FHWA, but here it is: Assuming US 78 is interstate-grade from the TN state line to I-269, would FHWA permit MDOT to only designate US 78 from the AL state line to I-269 as I-22?  Or, would FHWA make it an "all or nothing" proposition for MDOT?

1) If I had to guess, this is probably to make access to the Tupelo Regional Airport easier for I-22 traffic (for marketability purposes), but it also does connect to Barnes Crossing area, so it may also help in regards to improving access to that once the Natchez Trace grade separation is built.  You are probably right that it may serve as a bypass of sorts.

2) I-26 around the Tri-Cities area of TN is a precedent of an interstate going past another interstate (I-81) to end at a non-interstate. I'm not sure off-hand of a precedent of leaving part of a freeway not designated an interstate.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on October 11, 2013, 09:39:44 PM
Do you have a shrubbery?
What does I-840 have to do with it? It too is a future route.

2) I-26 around the Tri-Cities area of TN is a precedent of an interstate going past another interstate (I-81) to end at a non-interstate. I'm not sure off-hand of a precedent of leaving part of a freeway not designated an interstate.
*ahem* I-26 is an example of that, with the stub of US 23 beyond US 11W not being I-26.

So is future I-495 NC. And I-795 NC. And I-49 MO. The last should satisfy all anality about HPC definitions. But be sure to apply the same anality to "United States Route 90 from I-49 in Lafayette, Louisiana, to I-10 in New Orleans".
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on October 11, 2013, 09:56:26 PM
Google Street View has been updated to show construction progress along I-22/US 78 in New Albany: http://goo.gl/maps/Epe4B
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on October 11, 2013, 10:03:04 PM
*ahem* I-26 is an example of that, with the stub of US 23 beyond US 11W not being I-26.

Nope. That section of US 23 is not a Congressionally designated part of I-26, whereas US 78 "from Memphis, Tennessee ..." is a Congressionally designated part of I-22. BIG difference, which you know (or should know).



be sure to apply the same anality to "United States Route 90 from I-49 in Lafayette, Louisiana, to I-10 in New Orleans".

What are you talking about? Congress does not mandate an interstate number in the above-quoted definition, whereas it does in regard to I-22, a certain section of I-26,  I-49, I-69, I-69C, I-69E, I-73, and I-74. SO WHAT if US 90 from I-49 in Lafayette to New Orleans is a HPC Corridor?



And I-49 MO. The last should satisfy all anality about HPC definitions.

Do you really think MoDOT and AHTD have completed the Bella Vista Bypass? OF COURSE NOT. US 78 from the TN state line is already presumably interstate-grade and is designation-ready. There is no point in my trying to provide further explanation ...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on October 12, 2013, 05:04:36 AM
(1) Looking at the Google map, it appears that Coley Road is intended to serve as some type of a northern and western bypass of Tupelo. Does anyone have some good info on the plans for Coley Road?

(2) This will probably eventually be a "welcome back to work" question for someone at FHWA, but here it is: Assuming US 78 is interstate-grade from the TN state line to I-269, would FHWA permit MDOT to only designate US 78 from the AL state line to I-269 as I-22?  Or, would FHWA make it an "all or nothing" proposition for MDOT?

1. There's an environmental assessment for the Coley Road/Barnes Crossing Road project on MDOT's FTP site. Basically it would add a partial loop around Tupelo, and also make access to the mall area from US 78 and western Tupelo easier. Most of the work is already done except the overpasses of the Trace (under construction - there will not be any access to the Trace) and the US 78 interchange.

2. Since FHWA probably won't approve a terminus of I-22 at the state line or slightly beyond it at the current end of fully-controlled access, I don't see how not redesignating the part that can't be I-22 as I-22 would bother FHWA. Certainly there's precedent for a 2di ending at a 3di.

Besides which, Corridor 45 is defined as the "US 78 Corridor," which is distinct from "US 78." Both I-269 + I-55, or I-269 alone, would be within the "US 78 Corridor" and connect US 78 with Memphis, Tennessee (I-269 goes through a small sliver of Memphis that follows US 64 east to the Fayette County line). You'd have a continuous Interstate from Memphis to Birmingham, even with I-22 ending at I-269 - it just wouldn't be all numbered I-22, which I don't think is legally required.

The only (anal) legal justification I can see that might permit FHWA to approve a near state-line terminus under the HPC definition is if Memphis were to annex the 100' or so of the US 78 freeway in Tennessee, which would literally mean I-22 was starting in Memphis. This area is within Memphis' annexation reserve but I don't believe there are any current plans to annex it since there's not much there and Memphis would then be responsible for some of the payment to maintain that section of US 78.

In any event someone with standing (i.e. probably not a random roadgeek upset about the aesthetics of route numbering) would have to care enough to sue to successfully disagree with whatever FHWA decides, and they probably can justify any reasonable scenario here.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Anthony_JK on October 12, 2013, 08:54:16 AM
But be sure to apply the same anality to "United States Route 90 from I-49 in Lafayette, Louisiana, to I-10 in New Orleans".

Ummm..that's possibly more of an accidental glitch than anything purely anal. US 90, of course, does not connect with existing I-49 directly via the Evangeline Thruway, but the Thruway does serve to connect I-49/US 167 north of I-10 with US 90 south and east of Lafayette. The overlap of US 167 and US 90 takes place between Mudd Ave/Cameron Street (where US 90 diverges to the W) and Johnston Street (where US 167 diverges to the SW). That's probably why they named the project in Lafayette proper "The I-49 Connector" and planned it as a stand alone project independent from the upgrade of US 90 southward and eastward from there.

It's pretty obvious, though, that once the I-49 Connector is fully funded (or an alternative corridor such as Teche Ridge or a western bypass is developed) that the whole shebang at least to I-310 or all the way to I-10 in downtown NOLA will be designated as I-49. They've been calling the whole project "I-49 South" for eons now...why would they change??
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on November 06, 2013, 08:21:23 AM
Morning news traffic updates are starting to report delays regarding the work on connecting the two interstates so things must have taken another crucial step forward.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on November 06, 2013, 08:26:43 PM
Morning news traffic updates are starting to report delays regarding the work on connecting the two interstates so things must have taken another crucial step forward.

Wonder how much longer it will be before NB and SB I-65 are detoured onto the new pavement?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Revive 755 on November 06, 2013, 08:59:51 PM
2. Since FHWA probably won't approve a terminus of I-22 at the state line or slightly beyond it at the current end of fully-controlled access, I don't see how not redesignating the part that can't be I-22 as I-22 would bother FHWA. Certainly there's precedent for a 2di ending at a 3di.

Given FHWA's approval of an illogical termini for I-41 in Illinois just beyond the Wisconsin border, I don't see why FHWA couldn't allow I-22 to end just inside Tennessee.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on November 06, 2013, 09:29:52 PM
Morning news traffic updates are starting to report delays regarding the work on connecting the two interstates so things must have taken another crucial step forward.

Wonder how much longer it will be before NB and SB I-65 are detoured onto the new pavement?

I heard a rumor that it will be next March.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on November 08, 2013, 08:07:07 PM
Looks as if the October 2014 completion date for the I-22/I-65 interchange may be wishful thinking.  According to an article on al.com, we may be looking at sometime in the spring or summer of '15:

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2013/11/diverting_interstate_22_rankin.html#incart_river_default

Judging from what I saw last weekend, I can't say that I'm surprised.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on November 18, 2013, 01:30:42 PM
Updated photos from 11/18/2013 of the I-22/I-65 interchange construction: http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2013/11/i-22_interchange_at_i-65_const_2.html#incart_river_default
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: I94RoadRunner on November 18, 2013, 01:58:34 PM
How is the I-22/I-65 interchange coming along? Any progress? They were starting when I was there last July.

I just drove I-22 a couple of weeks ago on the way back to MN from Fort Myers, FL and it looks like there is still quite a bit of work to do yet at I-65. Despite not connecting to an interstate yet officially, there are now official I-22 signs (some with the state name) in Alabama. Mississippi still has future I-22 signs however.

On another note, there is construction at what is the future I-269 beltline from Future I-22 westward toward I-55/I-69. Finally after both ends are completed, I-22 will be a legitimate interstate!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on December 02, 2013, 09:37:16 AM
I drove I-22 from Memphis to Birmingham last week.  The drive thru Mississippi was good.  MDOT has greatly improved the road.  The New Albany construction is progressing well.  Once I got into Alabama, the oldest sections of the road are beginning to show their age.  Lots of rough areas around Hamilton & Jasper.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on December 02, 2013, 09:55:24 AM
ALDOT is supposed to let a resurfacing project next January for the section of I-22 around Jasper, between Exits 57 and 65.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tomahawkin on December 26, 2013, 08:55:25 PM
Drove I-22 Today. There is one last section left in the New Albany "widening to Interstate grade plan" that needs to be finished. Its a Much smoother ride. Hopefully once its done the speed limit there will be 70...That current 50mph Speed limit in that Town Sucks!

Also It looks like the IH 269 Bridges over 22 near Byhalia will be completed by late summer. There is no clearing/road development to the East of 22 but there looked to be gradual clearing to the west...I just wonder why they made that 269 By-Pass So far away from those NW Miss Suburbs (Southhaven, Olive Branch, etc) of Memphis? There is Nothing population (density-wise) out where that 269 bypass is being planned....
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on December 26, 2013, 09:23:08 PM
"Economic Development" and "Industry Recruitment"
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: golden eagle on December 27, 2013, 12:40:53 AM
^^
If you build it, they will come...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on December 27, 2013, 01:48:33 AM
Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: formulanone on December 27, 2013, 09:23:13 AM
Breasts also increase in size during pregnancy.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alps on December 27, 2013, 07:03:10 PM
"Economic Development" and "Industry Recruitment"
Is this the same reason I-269 has an expensive SPUI at TN 57 instead of a simple diamond (plenty of room), folded diamond, or similar/much cheaper?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on December 30, 2013, 12:58:40 AM
Is this the same reason I-269 has an expensive SPUI at TN 57 instead of a simple diamond (plenty of room), folded diamond, or similar/much cheaper?

Not sure if a SPUI is substantially more expensive than a simple diamond, really.

My guess is that since it was planned as part of the Nonconnah/Bill Morris leg, and close to the urbanized area, it got a SPUI like every other interchange except Ridgeway. And in 20 years that area will be urbanized (if you look at the satellite imagery, urban development stops at the county line for now, but Piperton has plans to grow a lot).  The new Norfolk Southern intermodal yard is also just a few miles to the east, although the truck traffic mostly goes south to US 72 rather than north to Hwy 57.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Scott5114 on December 30, 2013, 03:55:04 AM
Is this the same reason I-269 has an expensive SPUI at TN 57 instead of a simple diamond (plenty of room), folded diamond, or similar/much cheaper?

Not sure if a SPUI is substantially more expensive than a simple diamond, really.

I would imagine the added square footage of a bigger bridge would make it more expensive.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on December 30, 2013, 06:41:16 AM
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Not sure if a SPUI is substantially more expensive than a simple diamond, really.
I would imagine the added square footage of a bigger bridge would make it more expensive.

Correct.  SPUIs typically also have more retaining wall requirements than a "simple diamond" which also drives up the cost.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on December 30, 2013, 02:33:10 PM
And if it is a SPUI with the freeway over the intersecting road, a longer span is required between piers, which also drives up the cost.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: UptownRoadGeek on December 31, 2013, 01:34:43 AM
...aren't most of the exits along TN 365 SPUIs to begsn with, as well as most new interchanges in the Memphis area including some not on highways?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on January 14, 2014, 06:57:00 PM
There's an environmental assessment for the Coley Road/Barnes Crossing Road project on MDOT's FTP site. Basically it would add a partial loop around Tupelo, and also make access to the mall area from US 78 and western Tupelo easier. Most of the work is already done except the overpasses of the Trace (under construction - there will not be any access to the Trace) and the US 78 interchange.

On January 14, the Commission awarded a contract for the US 78 at Coley Road / Barnes Crossing interchange:

http://mdot.ms.gov/bidsystem_data/20131126/LETDOCS/20131126BidAwards.pdf

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AWARDED SUBJECT TO CONCURRENCE BY THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION
STP-0006-02(027) / 105420301
LEE COUNTY - Construction of Interchange on US 78 at Coley Road / Barnes Crossing Road
CENTURY CONSTRUCTION & REALTY, INC.
PO BOX 1366
TUPELO, MS 38802
$10,515,312.33
Title: I-22 and US 78
Post by: mwb1848 on January 19, 2014, 10:30:33 AM
Has Mississippi or Alabama made clear their intentions for what will happen to old alignments of US 78 once I-22 is officially designated?

In Mississippi, great pains were taken to move US 78 from its old alignment to the new I-22 alignment leaving the old alignment signed as Miss. 178. Same thing for much of the route with Alabama 118. Addresses were changed, signs were installed, and old habits were amended. So I can't see ADOT or MDOT returning 78 to its former locations.

Does that mean I-22 and US 78 will be (redundantly) multiplexed or will US 78 replace its replacement?

Title: Re: I-22 and US 78
Post by: froggie on January 19, 2014, 10:16:41 PM
Depends on AASHTO, but if they remain true to their policy, there is no going back to the old alignment for US 78...
Title: Re: I-22 and US 78
Post by: Charles2 on January 19, 2014, 10:48:05 PM
Actually, US 78 is fairly redundant from Birmingham to Atlanta as well.  As much as I hate to see US routes that have been supplanted by interstate highways truncated, I doubt anyone would miss US 78 from Memphis to Atlanta.
Title: Re: I-22 and US 78
Post by: NE2 on January 19, 2014, 11:08:19 PM
Depends on AASHTO, but if they remain true to their policy, there is no going back to the old alignment for US 78 unless they pull a NCDOT/OklaDOT.
Fixed for you.
Title: Re: I-22 and US 78
Post by: froggie on January 20, 2014, 04:14:33 PM
If they remain true to their policy, they wouldn't be pulling an NCDOT/OlkaDOT.
Title: Re: I-22 and US 78
Post by: NE2 on January 20, 2014, 05:32:55 PM
If they remain true to their policy, they wouldn't be pulling an NCDOT/OlkaDOT.
I think we're lost in ambiguous pronouns. AASHTO policy is to not move routes from freeways to parallel surface roads. ALDOT and MDOT probably have no policy, as they've never been in this situation before.
Title: Re: I-22 and US 78
Post by: richllewis on January 20, 2014, 09:01:46 PM
Maybe or maybe not. The old alignment is going to be Miss 178 while the new hwy 78 and later I-22 will be the road. This is what they do with highways in Mississippi. The exceptions are Hwy 80, Hwy 90, and Hwy 11. Hwy 80 pertains to I-20, Hwy 90 pertains to I-10 and Hwy 11 pertains to I-59. And all the 4-lane roads that were built the old roads are MS 1xx while the main road is US such in such.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: berberry on January 21, 2014, 03:40:48 AM
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ALDOT and MDOT probably have no policy, as they've never been in this situation before.

MDOT has been there at least within city limits.  US 80 through Vicksburg was moved onto what is now I-20 a couple years before it became I-20.  The route remains co-signed to both routes today.
Title: Re: I-22 and US 78
Post by: emory on January 21, 2014, 03:45:32 AM
Actually, US 78 is fairly redundant from Birmingham to Atlanta as well.  As much as I hate to see US routes that have been supplanted by interstate highways truncated, I doubt anyone would miss US 78 from Memphis to Atlanta.

Hey, out here in California, almost all of our US routes got truncated and most got deleted. I understand why it was done though. I've grown to dislike these Interstate/US route cosigns that exist across the country. It's like, what's the point? "Hey everybody! The 23 freeway will now be known as I-985!....but it'll still be called the 23! Not confusing, right?!"
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on January 21, 2014, 06:31:16 AM
ALDOT did jump the gun in signing I-22 as I don't think it was yet approved by FHWA to do so.

I do wonder what will happen to US 78. An even more interesting question is what will happen to Alt US 78? It appears on the official Alabama map (http://www.dot.state.al.us/moweb/img/Front.pdf), yet it is not signed anywhere. The only time a portion of it was signed was briefly in 2001 on "old" US 78 after a section of Future I-22 opened between Jasper and Carbon Hill, before the designation was official. 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on January 21, 2014, 09:57:04 AM
I dont know why but there is just something cool about an "Old XX". Id much rather see that than a cosigned route.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: US 41 on January 21, 2014, 10:02:55 AM
I think it should just stay US 78 and not be renamed I-22. There really is no reason to change it to an interstate designation. People will still travel the route even if it's not an interstate. It will also save the taxpayers of AL and MS a little money. (I know, Im boring.)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: emory on January 21, 2014, 06:17:11 PM
I dont know why but there is just something cool about an "Old XX". Id much rather see that than a cosigned route.

Here in California, since we lost so many US routes, a lot of the cities like to put up "Historic Route US XXX" brown shields. http://instagram.com/p/d-o2ffNIoi/
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: SSF on January 24, 2014, 02:17:22 AM
driving back to Atlanta from Memphis and they were setting the last beams over the C/D lanes on the westbound side of future I-22.  maybe next week, they will start setting forms for deck pours. 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Urban Prairie Schooner on January 25, 2014, 07:34:56 PM
I see no reason to keep US 78 between B'ham and Memphis once I-22 is fully completed and signed, unless ALDOT and MsDOT wish to return it to its original surface route (which, as has been mentioned, is unlikely to happen and contradicts AASHTO policy anyway).

In fact, I see no reason why the two states plus TN couldn't sign all completed segments solely as I-22 once the substandard segments in MS are brought up to Interstate standard, with the US 78 surface connections on either end signed as TEMP I-22 until the connections to the rest of the Interstate system are completed. This was the practice historically in some states.

With US 78 truncated to B'ham, it would be hard to justify retaining it between B'ham and Atlanta as well. But that's another kettle of worms and something that the good folks in AL and GA would have to decide.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 07, 2014, 07:45:40 AM
An upcoming repaving project on Future I-22/US 78 around Jasper, AL (plans can be found here (http://alletting.dot.state.al.us/PLANPROP/20140228_Call_004_Plans.pdf)) will require the closure of portions of the road since the cross-slopes and elevations of the roadway will need to be adjusted. The planned detour signs include signing I-22, US 78, and AL 4.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZOKzxQ1.png)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: hbelkins on February 07, 2014, 01:33:24 PM
since the cross-slopes and elevations of the roadway will need to be adjusted.

Why?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 07, 2014, 01:56:35 PM
since the cross-slopes and elevations of the roadway will need to be adjusted.

Why?

I'm not sure why the cross-slopes are being adjusted other than maybe to improve drainage off the roadway, but I know that along this stretch there is quite a noticeable drop off as you come off of bridges, and a lift up before the bridges. The plans call for smoothing those out, and raising the elevation of the roadway in places to compensate for that drop off.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Henry on February 07, 2014, 02:15:29 PM
I see no reason to keep US 78 between B'ham and Memphis once I-22 is fully completed and signed, unless ALDOT and MsDOT wish to return it to its original surface route (which, as has been mentioned, is unlikely to happen and contradicts AASHTO policy anyway).

In fact, I see no reason why the two states plus TN couldn't sign all completed segments solely as I-22 once the substandard segments in MS are brought up to Interstate standard, with the US 78 surface connections on either end signed as TEMP I-22 until the connections to the rest of the Interstate system are completed. This was the practice historically in some states.

With US 78 truncated to B'ham, it would be hard to justify retaining it between B'ham and Atlanta as well. But that's another kettle of worms and something that the good folks in AL and GA would have to decide.
I think US 78 will continue to exist in Memphis if I-22 doesn't make it up Lamar Avenue as most have suspected. Truncating it to Birmingham may be bad as it is, but a truncation to Atlanta is asking way too much.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on February 08, 2014, 11:52:39 PM
I'm not sure why the cross-slopes are being adjusted other than maybe to improve drainage off the roadway, but I know that along this stretch there is quite a noticeable drop off as you come off of bridges, and a lift up before the bridges. The plans call for smoothing those out, and raising the elevation of the roadway in places to compensate for that drop off.

It's possible this section's original paving was screwed up by the contractor because it was originally built with metric plans (it originally had metric signage).

Having said that the worst existing pavement is really on the section between 118 west and 118 east; I'm surprised they're replacing this section's pavement first, although the bridge transitions are a little bumpy.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: bdmoss88 on February 09, 2014, 08:33:37 PM
So they're shutting down the whole thing and sending the traffic through town? Why wouldn't they shift all traffic to one side to work on the other then switch sides when done with the first?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 09, 2014, 09:07:45 PM
So they're shutting down the whole thing and sending the traffic through town? Why wouldn't they shift all traffic to one side to work on the other then switch sides when done with the first?

They are shutting down only one side at at time while traffic would flow freely on the other side, similar to what has been doing in Birmingham with a few rebuild projects.

The same ALDOT Division (3rd Division) also has done projects where they have shut down portions of interstates in Birmingham to rebuild those (I-20/59 in Bessemer and I-20 between I-59 and I-459 in Irondale), but in those cases, there was an alternative interstate route to take (I-459/65 for the former and I-59/459 for the latter). In this case, there isn't an interstate alternative, so they are dumping traffic onto the former US 78 alignment through Jasper, which is going to cause some headaches. When I-65 pavement was rehabilitated between US 31 and south of I-459 in Hoover, no interstate alternative was available, so traffic was reduced from six lanes to four lanes and shifted to one side while the other was worked on.

When I-59 was rebuilt with a unbonded concrete overlay in Etowah County northeast of Gadsden, ALDOT 1st Division put traffic on one side while the other was rebuilt. Granted, traffic on that segment of I-59 is probably a bit heaver than what is on I-22 around Jasper, but I still wonder why they didn't include building crossovers and having a two-lane setup on each side while the other side was being worked on.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 09, 2014, 09:18:32 PM
I'm not sure why the cross-slopes are being adjusted other than maybe to improve drainage off the roadway, but I know that along this stretch there is quite a noticeable drop off as you come off of bridges, and a lift up before the bridges. The plans call for smoothing those out, and raising the elevation of the roadway in places to compensate for that drop off.

It's possible this section's original paving was screwed up by the contractor because it was originally built with metric plans (it originally had metric signage).

Having said that the worst existing pavement is really on the section between 118 west and 118 east; I'm surprised they're replacing this section's pavement first, although the bridge transitions are a little bumpy.

ALDOT did some patching between the two AL 118 exits between Jasper and Carbon Hill a few years ago, but this section is also showing some pretty bad wear too, and it supposed to be repaved soon as well. In some places you can even see the layer below and the yellow stripe where the transition between the freeway and old US 78. The other part that is in quite bad shape is between AL 269 and Industrial Pkwy. The rest of it seems to have held up well, but it also wasn't paved with a open-graded friction course wearing layer, which may have something to do with it holding up so well.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 24, 2014, 02:15:29 PM
I drove on I-22 between Memphis and Jasper yesterday, and here are some noteworthy things:

- Work is progressing on the I-269 interchange. All bridge beams on all four I-269 bridges (mainline and C/D roads) are in place. There is still quite a bit of grading work to do, however.
- The new VMS appears along eastbound Future I-22 AFTER the I-269 interchange but before the MS 309/ Byhaila interchange, which I found odd. Similarly, the westbound VMS appears before the MS 309 interchange as well.
- The New Albany median/bridge widening project is mostly finished. All lanes are opened, and there seems to be a few punchlist items left to do before this is complete. This will mostly bring all of Future I-22 up to interstate standards in Mississippi.
- Still no I-22 shields in Mississippi.
- Shields have now been posted along the intersecting roads at some exits in Marion County to complement the US 78 and AL 4 shields.
- What appears to be a maintenance contract must have been let to resurface I-22 between AL 233 and the Marion/Walker County line (I didn't see it appear in any of the lettings recently). This section was originally open to traffic in 2006, but the pavement had already deteriorated. The original paving contract for this section was between AL 13 and AL 233, which was mostly in Marion County, but a bit of it was in Walker County. The Walker County portion wasn't resurfaced, and the roughness of the pavement is apparent when you cross the county line. It is like a cheese grater.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on February 24, 2014, 04:02:34 PM
I may be wrong about this, if so I'll stand corrected, but I think the reason I-22 was originally paved from 233 to 13 was to allow for a temp exit point at which through traffic would be funneled back to old 78 at Eldridge. But the contractor was so close to finishing I-22 all the way to and through Carbon Hill, ALDOT never did that. And Marion and Walker counties are in different districts.

Just wondering, what exits in Marion county have the I-22 shields up? Thanks!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 24, 2014, 04:26:26 PM
I may be wrong about this, if so I'll stand corrected, but I think the reason I-22 was originally paved from 233 to 13 was to allow for a temp exit point at which through traffic would be funneled back to old 78 at Eldridge. But the contractor was so close to finishing I-22 all the way to and through Carbon Hill, ALDOT never did that. And Marion and Walker counties are in different districts.

You are correct. The 118/13 intersection was outfitted at first with a traffic signal with turn lanes at each approach for this reason, but it was later converted to a four-way stop. It was originally a two-way stop with 78 traffic not having to stop. A lot of wrecks occurred at this intersection. The same thought also went into widening/improving AL 233 and putting a traffic signal there, but traffic was never turned onto just that portion, either.

Just wondering, what exits in Marion county have the I-22 shields up? Thanks!

I saw them at Exits 30 and 33, but they could be at others as well.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: formulanone on February 24, 2014, 11:37:14 PM
The Walker County portion wasn't resurfaced, and the roughness of the pavement is apparent when you cross the county line. It is like a cheese grater.

Just drove on it from AL 233 to Coalburg Road, and I can attest that Walker County's part is quite rough...it's patched in some places, but there's loads of loose gravel visible on the various concrete bridge shoulders.

Seems the I-22 shields disappear where US 78 drops off, and then it's the blue Corridor X US78 / AL4 combo. Or 22 and 4. Or just a US 78-X shield...Just to keep it weird.

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Int22ewShields-AL233n.jpg)

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/US78XeAL4XeAL233nSigns-BirminghamRight.jpg)

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Int22eRoad-WalkerCounty.jpg)

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Int22eRoadPatches-AL118Left.jpg)

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Int22eAL4XeSignsRoad.jpg)

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Int22eRoad-US78XeSign-CR77RoadClosed1Mile.jpg)

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Int22eTempEndRoad-Exit93-CR77.jpg)

Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Rover_0 on February 25, 2014, 01:38:27 AM
The Walker County portion wasn't resurfaced, and the roughness of the pavement is apparent when you cross the county line. It is like a cheese grater.


Just drove on it from AL 233 to Coalburg Road, and I can attest that Walker County's part is quite rough...it's patched in some places, but there's loads of loose gravel visible on the various concrete bridge shoulders.

Seems the I-22 shields disappear where US 78 drops off, and then it's the blue Corridor X US78 / AL4 combo. Or 22 and 4. Or just a US 78-X shield...Just to keep it weird.


I-22 and AL-4 Shields, but no US-78? Odd.

#1: Quote at the BOTTOM. NOT in the middle.
#2: Please snip unnecessary images. Especially when you have so many of them.
~S
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 25, 2014, 06:52:46 AM
The Walker County portion wasn't resurfaced, and the roughness of the pavement is apparent when you cross the county line. It is like a cheese grater.

Just drove on it from AL 233 to Coalburg Road, and I can attest that Walker County's part is quite rough...it's patched in some places, but there's loads of loose gravel visible on the various concrete bridge shoulders.

Seems the I-22 shields disappear where US 78 drops off, and then it's the blue Corridor X US78 / AL4 combo. Or 22 and 4. Or just a US 78-X shield...Just to keep it weird.

The ALDOT Jasper District that maintains the Walker County portion of I-22 (and the Jefferson County portion up to Hillcrest Road) was probably like "Replace all US 78 shields with I-22 shields" and left everything else as-is, which would explain why there are still some AL 4 shields left. I don't know if or when the AL 4 shields will be replaced.

Once you pass Hillcrest Road and you pass into the ALDOT Birmingham District, no I-22 shields have been put up (as you show in your sixth photo).

I honestly don't know what will happen to US 78. It may not be signed at all between the Walker/Marion County Line and Graysville when it is all said and done. The old route is technically Alternate US 78, but you won't find a sign for that anywhere.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on February 26, 2014, 08:13:29 PM
Photos from al.com showing construction progress on the I-22/I-65 interchange:

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2014/02/i-22_interchange_construction_1.html#incart_2box

Quite frankly, it's hard to see a lot of progress from one batch of photos to the next.  I drove out there Sunday afternoon, and like I've said before, it looks like they have miles to go before they sleep.  The projected opening date is still this October.  If I were a betting man, I'd say there's not a chance that they can complete everything in 7-1/2 months.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 26, 2014, 09:45:14 PM
I guess the contractor is hoping for good weather in the summer to catch up. I also don't think they will be done in October. They still have to shift the lanes over to the carriageways being built now so the existing lanes can be rebuilt, which includes two new bridges that will carry those lanes over the future I-22 stub that will eventually go to US 31. They still have at least one smaller flyover where they have not put in beams yet (EB I-22 to SB I-65), but at least most of the really heavy beams won't be left when traffic shifts since the only ones left will hopefully be the ones that go over where I-65 traffic currently flows.  I say it will be sometime in summer or fall 2015 when they finish.

Plus, they also need to let the separate contract to pave, stripe, and sign I-22 from Coalburg Rd to I-65, which I think is supposed to happen this spring or summer, before I-22 can even open at I-65. EDIT: This document (http://alletting.dot.state.al.us/FutureLetting/FY2014_Apr04ToAug29_Planned_Projects.pdf) says that ALDOT should let that project on May 30th.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: mwb1848 on February 27, 2014, 09:52:11 AM
It's interesting that AL.com committed the state of Tennessee to extending I-22 to I-40 and/or I-240 in Memphis.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on February 27, 2014, 06:41:25 PM
It's interesting that AL.com committed the state of Tennessee to extending I-22 to I-40 and/or I-240 in Memphis.

I think what they meant is the Memphis metro area.  I'm sure that many people are aware that as of right now I-22 will end in DeSoto County, Mississippi. 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: mwb1848 on March 10, 2014, 10:49:29 PM
It's interesting that AL.com committed the state of Tennessee to extending I-22 to I-40 and/or I-240 in Memphis.

I think what they meant is the Memphis metro area.  I'm sure that many people are aware that as of right now I-22 will end in DeSoto County, Mississippi.

From AL.com: "I-22, when completed, is an Interstate Highway that will follow the U.S. 78  corridor  (Corridor X) on a 213-mile-long route from Memphis, Tennessee, to Birmingham, Alabama. I-22 will connect I-240 and I-40  in the northwest with I-65  in the southeast."
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on March 14, 2014, 03:54:47 PM
FHWA's position is that I-22 is the Congessionally mandated designation for High Priority Corridor 45 (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/high_priority_corridors/hpcor.cfm#l45):
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45.The United States Route 78 Corridor from Memphis, Tennessee, to Corridor X of the Appalachian Development Highway System near Fulton, Mississippi, and Corridor X of the Appalachian Development Highway System extending from near Fulton, Mississippi, to near Birmingham, Alabama. [I-22]
How strict will FHWA's interpretation of the language be with the mandate of "the United States Route 78 Corridor from Memphis, Tennessee ..."?  Would a terminus along US 78 at I-269 suffice? ....
I recently emailed MDOT ...
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A: MDOT’s current plan is to sign the entire length of US 78 as I-22.
A closer comparison may be with Laredo and I-69. High Priority Corridor 20 (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/high_priority_corridors/hpcor.cfm#l20) requires:
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20.United States Route 59 Corridor from Laredo, Texas, through Houston, Texas, to the vicinity of Texarkana, Texas. [I-69]
If I interpret Google Maps correctly, the current US 59/Loop 20 interchange is within Laredo's city limits, which would comply with the statute (at the other end, an interchange with I-30 near the TexAmericas Center (located in New Boston, west of the Texarkana city limits) may have already been contemplated as reflected by the language "to the vicinity of Texarkana").  OTOH it looks like a new connector from Loop 20 to US 59 outside of the city limits would make sense, and by a common-sense standard would be an exception that would comply with the "United States Route 59 Corridor from Laredo" requirement.
Am I nitpicking? Probably. However, FHWA might nitpick, too.
Corridor 45 is defined as the "US 78 Corridor," which is distinct from "US 78." Both I-269 + I-55, or I-269 alone, would be within the "US 78 Corridor" and connect US 78 with Memphis, Tennessee
The TTC has posted the video from its February 27 meeting (http://txdot.swagit.com/play/02272014-711) and in Item 5 (approximately five minutes in length), it is explained that the redesignation of Loop 20 as US 59 was "necessary" for Loop 20/US 59 to ultimately be designated as part of "the I-69 system".
(bottom quote from I-69 in TX (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3624.msg282232#msg282232) thread)

Maybe FHWA is nitpicking.  In reading the recent discussion in the Interstate 269 thread about the western terminus of I-22 (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1329.msg284524#msg284524), the recent redesignation of Loop 20 as US 59 in Laredo came to mind.  It appears that FHWA required that Loop 20 be redesignated as US 59 in order to meet FHWA's interpretation of the "United States Route 59 Corridor" statutory language as US 59 itself being a prerequisite for an I-69 designation.  With that in mind, absent a redesignation of US 78 to run concurrently with I-269, it appears that FHWA would not interpret I-269 as comprising part of the "United States Route 78 Corridor".

I don't think Tennessee would agree to have US 78 decommissioned from the Lamar Corridor.  With all of the foregoing in mind, I think FHWA will require MDOT in the near future to sign US 78 as I-22 all of the way to the Tennessee state line in order to meet the Congressional mandate (Congressional mandates trump both FHWA rules and common sense).

MAP-21 has language regarding the importance of "aerotropolises".  Since Memphis fancies its airport as "America's Aerotropolis", I think that, since interstate-grade improvements from the state line to the airport are feasible and for the most part already planned, the airport may eventually become the I-22 western "logical terminus" with some refinement to the MAP-21 "aerotropolis" language.

Lamar from the airport to I-240 will probably remain US 78 (maybe an I-22 business green shield?).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 14, 2014, 11:21:20 PM
Lamar from the airport to I-240 will probably remain US 78 (maybe an I-22 business green shield?).

I am not familiar with any current or former Interstate Business routes in Tennessee, so I doubt that would happen.  :-/
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on March 18, 2014, 06:46:16 AM
I could see TDOT MAYBE putting up TO I-22 trailblazers and possibly on BGS's at I-240 at either US 78 or I-55, depending on where the terminus of I-22 is. I highly doubt there will be a business spur of I-22 along US 78.

I just don't see TDOT spending that amount of money on the corridor when there are other pressing needs not only in the Memphis area, but also across the state, especially Nashville.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on March 19, 2014, 07:31:27 AM
Here is a presentation (http://eng.auburn.edu/2014TransConf/JeffersonCountyProject.pdf) given at the Alabama Transportation Conference in Auburn, AL that goes into some of the issues that have come up during construction of the I-22/65 interchange. After looking at this, I wouldn't be surprised if it takes another year from this October to finish everything up.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: BamaZeus on March 19, 2014, 11:47:15 AM
It sounds like the contractor is screwing it up royally.  Misaligned beams, poor surveying, lack of supplies on hand.  It's embarrassing, really.  Just this very last sentence in the slideshow sums it up:

"Issues  With  Improved  Roadbed  Material   
Lack  of  suitable  material  for  use  as  Improved  Roadbed.    Due  to  the  amount  of  rock  and  contractor  not  stockpiling  enough  of  the  on  site  material  to  perform  roadbed  processing  operations"
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Gnutella on March 20, 2014, 04:54:38 AM
Even with the screw-ups, the I-22/I-65 interchange will still be finished faster than the Pennsylvania Turnpike/I-95 interchange. :-|
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on March 20, 2014, 09:31:22 AM
Embarrassing work by the contractor.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: J N Winkler on March 20, 2014, 10:46:03 AM
It was also interesting to observe how circumspect the presentation is in describing the problems; I think there is a good chance that the contractor and Alabama DOT will find themselves in litigation over who should pay for the added remediation work.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: roadman65 on March 20, 2014, 10:53:51 AM
Even with the screw-ups, the I-22/I-65 interchange will still be finished faster than the Pennsylvania Turnpike/I-95 interchange. :-|
Ditto.  I also think that I-74 in North Carolina will be completed before I-95 & I-276 will be done.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on March 20, 2014, 11:51:14 AM
I-74 in NC will never be "completed".
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Gnutella on March 20, 2014, 05:27:12 PM
Even with the screw-ups, the I-22/I-65 interchange will still be finished faster than the Pennsylvania Turnpike/I-95 interchange. :-|
Ditto.  I also think that I-74 in North Carolina will be completed before I-95 & I-276 will be done.

Of course, it's New Jersey's fault that I-95 has a missing link in the first place. :pan:

I-74 in NC will never be "completed".

Good news is, I-36 between Asheville and Wilmington will be someday. :)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 20, 2014, 06:21:10 PM
Good news is, I-36 between Asheville and Wilmington will be someday. :)

Someone wishing for a new interstate, that there are no plans for.  Also, if it was theoretically constructed, it would end at Columbus, not Asheville.  :poke:
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on March 20, 2014, 06:22:41 PM
Also, if it was theoretically constructed, it would end at Columbus, not Asheville.  :poke:
Unless it goes through the Bat Cave.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 20, 2014, 06:33:49 PM

Someone wishing for a new interstate, that there are no plans for.  Also, if it was theoretically constructed, it would end at Columbus, not Asheville.  :poke:

... so it can be in the same state as US-36?  is this North Carolina's revenge for having I-74 forced upon them?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 20, 2014, 08:06:45 PM
Unless it goes through the Bat Cave.

Who wouldn't want to go to the Bat Cave.   :cool:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7193/6980366188_c8828cc688.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: WashuOtaku on March 20, 2014, 08:10:44 PM

Someone wishing for a new interstate, that there are no plans for.  Also, if it was theoretically constructed, it would end at Columbus, not Asheville.  :poke:

... so it can be in the same state as US-36?  is this North Carolina's revenge for having I-74 forced upon them?

Sorry, Columbus, North Carolina, not Ohio.  I-26 meets US 74 just west of the city.  The idea is if they create a new interstate along US 74 in North Carolina, can simply decom US 74.  Theoretically, they could continue west to Cleveland, Tennessee, but why...

Sorry... we seem to have gone off topic.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on March 21, 2014, 07:46:18 AM
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The idea is if they create a new interstate along US 74 in North Carolina, can simply decom US 74.

Problem there is there are two independent (non-multiplexed) sections of US 74 along the Great Smokey Mountain Expressway.  In particular, just south of I-40, and southwest of Cherokee (between US 441 and US 19).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: mwb1848 on April 06, 2014, 10:50:55 AM
FWIW: Here's an AP brief that ran recently in the Oxford Eagle.

(http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac274/martinbartlett/i-22oxfordeagle_zpse12d95f7.jpg) (http://s907.photobucket.com/user/martinbartlett/media/i-22oxfordeagle_zpse12d95f7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: hbelkins on April 06, 2014, 04:40:44 PM
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The idea is if they create a new interstate along US 74 in North Carolina, can simply decom US 74.

Problem there is there are two independent (non-multiplexed) sections of US 74 along the Great Smokey Mountain Expressway.  In particular, just south of I-40, and southwest of Cherokee (between US 441 and US 19).

That one segment replaced Alternate US 19, but I can't remember what the other segment was before it became US 74.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: WashuOtaku on April 06, 2014, 05:14:36 PM
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The idea is if they create a new interstate along US 74 in North Carolina, can simply decom US 74.
Problem there is there are two independent (non-multiplexed) sections of US 74 along the Great Smokey Mountain Expressway.  In particular, just south of I-40, and southwest of Cherokee (between US 441 and US 19).
That one segment replaced Alternate US 19, but I can't remember what the other segment was before it became US 74.

Between 1962-1971, that section (and a completed part of what is now I-40, north of Canton) was US 23A.  When I-40 was completed at that area, it was decommissioned, while the connector at Clyde went unsigned (unsure if dropped to secondary road status or not) before becoming part of US 74.  However, we kind of went off topic here again.  :spin:
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Henry on April 07, 2014, 03:43:54 PM
FWIW: Here's an AP brief that ran recently in the Oxford Eagle.

(http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac274/martinbartlett/i-22oxfordeagle_zpse12d95f7.jpg) (http://s907.photobucket.com/user/martinbartlett/media/i-22oxfordeagle_zpse12d95f7.jpg.html)
Nice, but what will become of the highway that has yet to be constructed near Memphis?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on April 07, 2014, 09:09:31 PM
US 78 in Tennessee is duplexed for the entirety of its routing in the Volunteer State with TN-4, although it is sporadically, if at all, signed.  That could be the solution, though.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on April 07, 2014, 10:41:09 PM
Unless US 78 is officially decommissioned as part of the I-22 launch, I would not be surprised to see US 78 silently duplexed for all or most of I-22, with 78 suddenly reappearing at or near the Tennessee state line and heading into Memphis as it always has.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on April 08, 2014, 07:55:22 AM
Unless US 78 is officially decommissioned as part of the I-22 launch, I would not be surprised to see US 78 silently duplexed for all or most of I-22, with 78 suddenly reappearing at or near the Tennessee state line and heading into Memphis as it always has.

I think that is what will most likely happen, especially in Alabama.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on April 09, 2014, 11:20:05 AM
Duplexing it most or the whole way would cheapen the Interstate I think, but if we got an Old Highway 78 or better yet, an Old Bankhead Highway in return - I'd be okay with it.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Henry on April 09, 2014, 12:39:38 PM
I can see that happening too. In fact, I would be fine with all US Highways being silently duplexed with their Interstate counterparts if they run for 20 miles or more.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: WashuOtaku on April 09, 2014, 02:07:21 PM
Duplexing it most or the whole way would cheapen the Interstate I think, but if we got an Old Highway 78 or better yet, an Old Bankhead Highway in return - I'd be okay with it.

They do that a lot in North Carolina, all the interstates share at least part-of-the-time with a US Route.  I don't see it as a big deal really.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on April 11, 2014, 12:48:37 PM
Recent article discusses Cambridge Systematics study of upgrade options for Lamar Avenue.  Three primary options (with estimated cost) are as follows: (1) build interchanges at Holmes and Winchester Roads and Shelby Drive, leaving Lamar at 4 lanes ($213.2 million), (2) build interchanges at Holmes and Winchester Roads and Shelby Drive, expanding Lamar to 6 lanes ($275.1 million), and (3) fully upgrade Lamar to I-22 ($637.9 million).  Here is link:
http://www.memphisdailynews.com/news/2011/aug/26/unlocking-lamar-planners-mull-ways-to-improve-transportation-corridor/
As much as I would like to see Lamar Ave upgraded to interstate standards, with the current budget climate, I don't think it will happen all at once or in it's entirety. What I would like to see is interchanges at the major intersections first (Holmes, Shelby, Winchester) along with a reconfiguration of the Getwell Rd interchange so that Lamar is the through route. Build the interchanges to interstate standards. Widen Lamar to at least six lanes through the interchanges. Build frontage roads on either end of the interchange to maintain local access. Then once the interchanges are upgraded, widen Lamar between the interchanges. As money becomes available, build frontage roads on either side of Lamar and close off access between the interchanges. Seems like that would be the best bang for the buck long-term.

I recently noticed in a January 9, 2014 Adjustment to the 2014-17 Memphis MPO TIP (http://www.memphismpo.org/sites/default/files/public/2014-17%20TIP%20Adjusted%2003.24.14.pdf) that some ROW acquisition is scheduled for the Lamar Corridor in FY 2015 (page 41/133 of pdf; page 31 of document):

(http://i.imgur.com/GkaIA6u.png)

I emailed TDOT and asked if the intent was to build an interstate-grade facility along that section.  The response:

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The proposed project will consist of widening US 78 to six lanes and construct grade separate interchanges at Holmes Road.
I understand that in the beginning, TDOT was asked to looked at upgrading Lamar to Interstate Standards.  One of the reasons for upgrading to interstate standards was because I-22 could follow US78 to I-240.   The cost to upgrade would be in the billions of dollars so funding.   Another reason for upgrading was to improve the level of service through the corridor.  TDOT asked Cambridge Systems and The University of Memphis to complete a freight study on the Lamar Corridor to see what would it take to improve the level of service.   The study showed the most feasible option would be to increase Lamar to 6 lanes and construct grade separated interchanges at the Holmes, Shelby Drive, and  Winchester.

With I-22 being precluded as a possibility for the Lamar Corridor in the foreseeable future, it will now be interesting to see what location FHWA will approve as the western terminus of I-22.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on April 17, 2014, 04:53:59 PM
Heads up everyone. Local Jasper, Al newspaper said the westbound lane of I-22 will be closed starting Monday, April 21 from Industial Boulevard to exit 57 for repaving. Will close at 7:00AM Monday. Traffic will be diverted back to the old four lane. If you're headed west through Jasper, get ready for congestion.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on April 18, 2014, 07:02:44 AM
This ALDOT construction bulletin for I-65 (http://aldotapps.dot.state.al.us/progressprojects/Progress65/Jefferson65.html) indicates that the completion of the I-22/I-65 interchange will now be in "Year 2015" instead of October 2014.

Heads up everyone. Local Jasper, Al newspaper said the westbound lane of I-22 will be closed starting Monday, April 21 from Industial Boulevard to exit 57 for repaving. Will close at 7:00AM Monday. Traffic will be diverted back to the old four lane. If you're headed west through Jasper, get ready for congestion.

 Here is the relevant article (http://www.mountaineagle.com/view/full_story/24944507/article-Portion-of-I-22-to--shut-down-for-paving?instance=main_article[/url). At least the contractor appears to have a fine/incentive to finish the project on time.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on April 18, 2014, 12:05:23 PM
Year 2015...no surprise there...Wonder when in 2015...any guesses?  Over/Under of July 2015
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Henry on April 18, 2014, 02:51:43 PM
Year 2015...no surprise there...Wonder when in 2015...any guesses?  Over/Under of July 2015
Or even 2016, because there's always the possibility of yet another delay.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on April 20, 2014, 09:57:44 PM
I'm going to go with summer of 2015. Late May.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on April 27, 2014, 06:32:23 PM
Another temp road closing connected to I-22. Al.com reported the Coalburg Rd has been closed until sometime in early June because the original road was in such bad shape from all the recent rains, that officials decided to close it to traffic between exit 93 and Daniel Payne Drive.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: SSF on May 06, 2014, 11:10:02 PM
drove the diversion from exit 65 to 57 today and the congestion was not too bad.  then again, i did the diversion at about 11:15 am so that probably helped the traffic.  Of course, Jasper had a few marked units out but I am sure that was just coincidence.

also drove through Tupelo and wow, what sadness.  lots of devastation on Gloster between McCullough and 22 and on McCullough just west of Gloster.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: richllewis on May 07, 2014, 04:33:48 AM
I posted this on the Mississippi board a few minutes ago

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Tupelo got hit bad. Also along US 49 going southbound in Richland, MS just barely out of Jackson. And along MS 468, and I-20 in Rankin County. There was a Chevron and Texaco that got hit along I-20 in Pelahatchie in Rankin County. Also MS 25 and MS 15 in Louisville, MS. It is going to take a long time for Tupelo MS to rebuild as well as other Mississippi communities to rebuild.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on May 08, 2014, 11:59:39 AM
This ALDOT construction bulletin for I-65 (http://aldotapps.dot.state.al.us/progressprojects/Progress65/Jefferson65.html) indicates that the completion of the I-22/I-65 interchange will now be in "Year 2015" instead of October 2014.

Heads up everyone. Local Jasper, Al newspaper said the westbound lane of I-22 will be closed starting Monday, April 21 from Industial Boulevard to exit 57 for repaving. Will close at 7:00AM Monday. Traffic will be diverted back to the old four lane. If you're headed west through Jasper, get ready for congestion.

 Here is the relevant article (http://www.mountaineagle.com/view/full_story/24944507/article-Portion-of-I-22-to--shut-down-for-paving?instance=main_article[/url). At least the contractor appears to have a fine/incentive to finish the project on time.

Unless that first link now points to a different page, I don't see where 22 is mentioned. The Daniel Payne project is different and has nothing to do with I 22.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on May 08, 2014, 02:06:15 PM
This ALDOT construction bulletin for I-65 (http://aldotapps.dot.state.al.us/progressprojects/Progress65/Jefferson65.html) indicates that the completion of the I-22/I-65 interchange will now be in "Year 2015" instead of October 2014.

Heads up everyone. Local Jasper, Al newspaper said the westbound lane of I-22 will be closed starting Monday, April 21 from Industial Boulevard to exit 57 for repaving. Will close at 7:00AM Monday. Traffic will be diverted back to the old four lane. If you're headed west through Jasper, get ready for congestion.

 Here is the relevant article (http://www.mountaineagle.com/view/full_story/24944507/article-Portion-of-I-22-to--shut-down-for-paving?instance=main_article[/url). At least the contractor appears to have a fine/incentive to finish the project on time.

Unless that first link now points to a different page, I don't see where 22 is mentioned. The Daniel Payne project is different and has nothing to do with I 22.

Here is what the first link says:

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Closure of I-65 NB on Ramp at Daniel Payne Drive

BIRMINGHAM – Work continues on Interstate 65 as part of the Alabama Department of Transportation’s project to build an interchange to connect I-65 to I-22 in Jefferson County.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on May 08, 2014, 06:31:16 PM
Yeah I understand that but the map below is for the Daniel Payne ramps, not 22.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on June 11, 2014, 11:11:05 PM
There's an environmental assessment for the Coley Road/Barnes Crossing Road project on MDOT's FTP site. Basically it would add a partial loop around Tupelo, and also make access to the mall area from US 78 and western Tupelo easier. Most of the work is already done except the overpasses of the Trace (under construction - there will not be any access to the Trace) and the US 78 interchange.
On January 14, the Commission awarded a contract for the US 78 at Coley Road / Barnes Crossing interchange:
http://mdot.ms.gov/bidsystem_data/20131126/LETDOCS/20131126BidAwards.pdf

This MDOT Press Release (http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Public%20Affairs/Lists/News%20Releases/Item/displayifs.aspx?List=ae1b236c-924d-498c-b14e-aafec6dc2864&ID=1234&Source=http%3A%2F%2Fspgomdot%2FPublic%2520Affairs%2FPages%2FNews-Releases%2Easpx&ContentTypeId=0x010087606675CA7A95408B80E8BFBB944273&IsDlg=2) reports that there will be lane closures on US 78/Future I-22 in order for beams to be set for a new bridge between Exits 81 and 85 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Tupelo,+MS/@34.3059524,-88.7569885,6867m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x88874c2e29de5fa1:0xe7f1cc40fb3d9d4f), which I assume will be for the new Coley Road/ Barnes Crossing interchange:

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WHAT: The eastbound lanes of Highway 78 in Tupelo will be closed for construction crews to set beams for a new bridge. Lanes will be closed in 30 minute intervals to set the beams. Motorists should expect delays, or find alternate routes around this area. 
WHERE: The eastbound lanes of  Highway 78 between McCullough Boulevard, Exit 81, and the Natchez Trace, Exit 85, will be closed in 30 minute intervals while construction crews set new bridge beams.
WHEN: Work is scheduled to begin on Thursday, June 12 at 10:00 p.m. and is expected to conclude on Friday, June 13 at 5:00 a.m.

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As previously posted in another thread (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=97.msg306528;topicseen#msg306528), the interchange is expected to be completed in late summer or early fall:

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Mississippi Department of Transportation and Tupelo city officials said Monday they expect a $7.4 million bridge on what will be called West Barnes Crossing Road across the Natchez Trace to be completed no later than early August.
The bridge is part of a loop to connect North Gloster Street and U.S. Highway 78. A second bridge crossing U.S. 78 at Coley Road Extended is expected to be completed about six weeks after the Natchez Trace span ....
A traffic control signal has been installed at the Mount Vernon/West Barnes Crossing intersection, but it is not yet operational. The final roadway segment from Mount Vernon to U.S. 78 near Belden will open when a new $10.5 million bridge crossing U.S. 78 is completed in late summer or early fall.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on June 26, 2014, 09:39:45 PM
Just wondering if anybody saw an item on Al.com where an ALDOT official said the I22-I65 interchange would not be finished until early 2016? And the entire Corridor-X until 2017? Maybe I misread read the story? Was either Mon or Tues.

Also, how is Coalburg Rd coming along?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on June 30, 2014, 11:45:05 AM
Just wondering if anybody saw an item on Al.com where an ALDOT official said the I22-I65 interchange would not be finished until early 2016? And the entire Corridor-X until 2017? Maybe I misread read the story?

No, that's how I read it as well.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on June 30, 2014, 12:53:11 PM
Is anyone surprised it will be 2017 before this is done?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: ElPanaChevere on June 30, 2014, 06:39:51 PM
My partner is from Winfield, Alabama and still has his family out there. He said that the I-22/I-65 interchange is almost done. It's still a pain in the neck to have to get off and go down some country roads to get back onto US 78/I-22 though. So, it might be open by the end of this year, at the latest at least.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but do they have I-22 signs up now? I'd like to go out to visit his family and actually get a look myself.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on June 30, 2014, 09:02:23 PM
My partner is from Winfield, Alabama and still has his family out there. He said that the I-22/I-65 interchange is almost done. It's still a pain in the neck to have to get off and go down some country roads to get back onto US 78/I-22 though. So, it might be open by the end of this year, at the latest at least.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but do they have I-22 signs up now? I'd like to go out to visit his family and actually get a look myself.

Your partner's perception is a little off.  Yes, some gantry signs are now in place on the new northbound lanes, but that is in anticipation of both the northbound and southbound lanes being routed onto the new roadway while the original roadway is rebuilt.  As of Saturday when I drove through there, these things still need to be done, in no particular order:

* The old 47th Avenue overpass that connects U.S. 31 with the landfill has to be torn down.
* Flyover ramps connecting NB I-65 with WB I-22 have to be erected over the existing roadway
* Ramps from I-22 EB to both directions of I-65 have to be erected
* The flyover ramp from NB US 31 to NB I-65 has to be erected
* The existing exit from SB I-65 to US 31 has to be closed and demolished in order for the ramp from SB I-65 to WB I-22 to be constructed
* Widening the bridge over Ellard Road and Five Mile Creek has to be completed
* The access ramp from Daniel Payne Drive (41st Avenue) to I-65 NB and I-22 is a work in progress, and that might be a charitable description

As the old saying goes, they have miles to go before they sleep.  What I don't understand is why there are not crews working on this project 24/7.

Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: ElPanaChevere on June 30, 2014, 09:52:33 PM
My partner is from Winfield, Alabama and still has his family out there. He said that the I-22/I-65 interchange is almost done. It's still a pain in the neck to have to get off and go down some country roads to get back onto US 78/I-22 though. So, it might be open by the end of this year, at the latest at least.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but do they have I-22 signs up now? I'd like to go out to visit his family and actually get a look myself.

Your partner's perception is a little off.  Yes, some gantry signs are now in place on the new northbound lanes, but that is in anticipation of both the northbound and southbound lanes being routed onto the new roadway while the original roadway is rebuilt.  As of Saturday when I drove through there, these things still need to be done, in no particular order:

* The old 47th Avenue overpass that connects U.S. 31 with the landfill has to be torn down.
* Flyover ramps connecting NB I-65 with WB I-22 have to be erected over the existing roadway
* Ramps from I-22 EB to both directions of I-65 have to be erected
* The flyover ramp from NB US 31 to NB I-65 has to be erected
* The existing exit from SB I-65 to US 31 has to be closed and demolished in order for the ramp from SB I-65 to WB I-22 to be constructed
* Widening the bridge over Ellard Road and Five Mile Creek has to be completed
* The access ramp from Daniel Payne Drive (41st Avenue) to I-65 NB and I-22 is a work in progress, and that might be a charitable description

As the old saying goes, they have miles to go before they sleep.  What I don't understand is why there are not crews working on this project 24/7.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2014/02/i-22_interchange_construction_1.html Last sentence in the article.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: SSF on June 30, 2014, 11:06:22 PM
that last sentence is a lie.

it will be 2015 before the interchange is open.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on July 01, 2014, 10:48:49 AM
Poor writing in that article.  AL.com's transportation reporting has really gone downhill since Ginny MacDonald left...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on July 02, 2014, 01:21:09 PM
According to the Jasper newspaper, the westbound lane of I22 is to open to traffic from exit 57 to exit 65 this morning around 8 am. Both lanes will stay open to traffic through 4th of July weekend. Then the eastbound lane will close Monday the 7th, at 7 am. Supposed to be closed for 12 weeks.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on July 02, 2014, 03:02:21 PM
Update, as of 2:00pm, westbound lane not open.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on July 02, 2014, 07:26:19 PM
Westbound lane opened around 5:00pm.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: SSF on July 02, 2014, 11:09:34 PM
the eastbound lanes already had the CMS and barrels up in anticipation for Monday.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 07, 2014, 11:46:20 AM
Poor writing in that article.  AL.com's transportation reporting has really gone downhill since Ginny MacDonald left...

Same for Huntsville area when Keith Clines was let go.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 07, 2014, 05:25:03 PM
I don't think this was linked before, but here is the latest article (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/07/i-22_interchange_at_i-65_const.html#incart_river) with pictures of the I-22/65 interchange construction.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on July 07, 2014, 10:14:45 PM
I don't think this was linked before, but here is the latest article (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/07/i-22_interchange_at_i-65_const.html#incart_river) with pictures of the I-22/65 interchange construction.

I tried like everything, but honestly it's hard to tell of any discernible progress since the last batch of pictures was posted.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: formulanone on July 08, 2014, 01:09:34 PM
Normally I don't read much past the first three comments, but since I didn't feel dumber by continuing on, I did like this one:


Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 08, 2014, 01:47:22 PM
Normally I don't read much past the first three comments, but since I didn't feel dumber by continuing on, I did like this one:

  • FreeMe 22 hours ago / When is the expected completion date?
  • fosterkeats 22 hours ago / 1979



I think the al.com comments have been either heavily moderated lately, or a lot of the crazies have left the site. Not sure which.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: hbelkins on July 08, 2014, 07:00:13 PM
Reading the comments on news stories is like wading through an open sewer. And Facebook authentication doesn't really help. People are just as stupid using their real names as they are anonymously or using a pseudonym.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on July 10, 2014, 12:00:09 PM
Reading the comments on news stories is like wading through an open sewer. And Facebook authentication doesn't really help. People are just as stupid using their real names as they are anonymously or using a pseudonym.

It would have to cut down on it some. So many geniuses on that site have multiple accounts.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: TrevorB on July 11, 2014, 02:04:23 PM
I couldn't seem to find a definite answer, and I'm not expecting one since I don't think any official decision has been made, but what is the current thinking about I-22's northern terminus?

I've heard 4 possibilities:

1. Terminate at I-269 near Byhalia
2. Follow I-269 west from Byhalia and terminate at the I-55/I-69/I-269 interchange near Hernando
3. Continue following US-78 north/east from Byhalia and terminate at the MS/TN state line near Olive Branch
4. Continue following US-78 north/east from Byhalia, continue into Memphis, and terminate at I-240 (this would require an upgrade to freeway status from the MS/TN state line all of the way to I-240 including constructing interchanges at many at-grade intersections, making this scenario very unlikely)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 11, 2014, 03:15:06 PM
End at MS/TN state line; problem solved.  Through traffic follow US 78.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: TrevorB on July 11, 2014, 03:33:32 PM
That seems like the most logical. However, it seems like I'm seeing more things pointing toward ending at I-269, which doesn't make much sense to me. It seems like they would take advantage of all of the interstate-quality roadway. Maybe we will see the designation of I-22 happen in MS sometime soon.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 11, 2014, 04:11:28 PM
That seems like the most logical. However, it seems like I'm seeing more things pointing toward ending at I-269, which doesn't make much sense to me. It seems like they would take advantage of all of the interstate-quality roadway. Maybe we will see the designation of I-22 happen in MS sometime soon.

There is precedent for extending a 2di interstate past another interstate to have it end at or close to a state line while the existing US route continues into the other state (I-26/US 23 at Kingsport, TN and Gate City, VA). I could very well see I-22 be designated to the TN/MS state line. That way, none of the exit numbers or mileposts on existing US 78 would need to be reset, and it also opens the door for extending I-22 northwest if (big if) or when TDOT upgrades US 78/Lamar Avenue.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on July 11, 2014, 05:02:51 PM
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There is precedent for extending a 2di interstate past another interstate to have it end at or close to a state line while the existing US route continues into the other state (I-26/US 23 at Kingsport, TN and Gate City, VA).

Not quite a precedent, as I-26 officially ends at the US 11W interchange.  It does not continue to the state line.  The reason it ends at US 11W is because US 11W is on the NHS and thus meets the FHWA's criteria for a "logical termini".

For I-22, #3 from Trevor's list is off the table.  But since MS 302 is on the NHS, a terminus at MS 302 is theoretically possible.  More likely, MDOT will follow list item #2.

Two other possible (but unlikely) outcomes:

#5:  Follow I-269 NORTH to end at I-40/Exit 24 near Arlington.  Unlikely due to the distance involved and "roundabout travel" for through traffic.
#6:  Follow I-269 north to Collierville, then TN 385 to I-240 near Germantown.  Unlikely as TN 385 has substandard shoulders.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: hbelkins on July 11, 2014, 11:57:20 PM
Also, that northern terminus for I-26 was also the northern terminus of I-181.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on July 12, 2014, 10:58:24 AM
There is just no reasonable plan that involves moving all those factories and businesses and Fed Ex out of the way to turn Lamar into an interstate. So having 22 hit join 269 in Mississippi some time this century maybe is the only viable choice.

After all this time, Alabama is going to be finished with our end first. How nice.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: TrevorB on July 12, 2014, 11:04:17 AM
Unless I misunderstood, I think Mississippi is already done with their segment. All that's left is the signage.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on July 12, 2014, 01:18:59 PM
What's lacking on the Mississippi end is a connection to the rest of the Interstate system.

Though, to be fair, given the continual delays ALDOT is having connecting I-22 to I-65, MDOT just might yet get I-269 done first…
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: TrevorB on July 12, 2014, 03:24:42 PM
Sorry, should have worded that a little differently. I meant that Mississippi shouldn't have to lay anymore pavement to complete I-22 (with the exception of a few interchanges). The last part near Memphis will either continue along US-78 or share pavement with another interstate. Of course if they are going to route it along I-269, there's some work to be done.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on July 12, 2014, 09:29:53 PM
3. Continue following US-78 north/east from Byhalia and terminate at the MS/TN state line near Olive Branch
End at MS/TN state line; problem solved.  Through traffic follow US 78.
For I-22, #3 from Trevor's list is off the table.

I think there is a strong possibility that it will end at the state line. First, I-22 is statutorily defined as the US 78 corridor (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/high_priority_corridors/hpcor.cfm#l45), which limits FHWA's discretion because the agency needs to make a good faith effort to implement the Congressional intent:

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The United States Route 78 Corridor from Memphis, Tennessee, to Corridor X of the Appalachian Development Highway System near Fulton, Mississippi, and Corridor X of the Appalachian Development Highway System extending from near Fulton, Mississippi, to near Birmingham, Alabama. [I-22]

Next, the redesignation of Loop 20 as US 59 in Laredo, TX as a prerequisite for the I-69W designation indicates that FHWA would not deem I-269 as part of the "US 78 Corridor", particularly at the expense of the currently existing US 78.

Further, having the state line as a logical terminus because that is the end point for controlled access has a recent precedent in the western logical terminus for I-2 (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10573.msg251127#msg251127).  A stronger case can be made for the TN/MS state line than the western end of I-2 because I-22 is statutorily defined, whereas I-2 is not.

I can see FHWA having I-22 terminate at the I-269 interchange in order to avoid having regional and national through traffic plow into Lamar Avenue, but I also see that as a minimal potential problem that could be solved with adequate "informational" signage before the interchange.

In total, I think a western terminus at the MS/TN state line is the most likely outcome.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 13, 2014, 09:07:29 AM
^ There is also this signage. (http://goo.gl/maps/6QV5o)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Anthony_JK on July 13, 2014, 10:07:58 AM
3. Continue following US-78 north/east from Byhalia and terminate at the MS/TN state line near Olive Branch
End at MS/TN state line; problem solved.  Through traffic follow US 78.
For I-22, #3 from Trevor's list is off the table.

I think there is a strong possibility that it will end at the state line. First, I-22 is statutorily defined as the US 78 corridor (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/high_priority_corridors/hpcor.cfm#l45), which limits FHWA's discretion because the agency needs to make a good faith effort to implement the Congressional intent:

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The United States Route 78 Corridor from Memphis, Tennessee, to Corridor X of the Appalachian Development Highway System near Fulton, Mississippi, and Corridor X of the Appalachian Development Highway System extending from near Fulton, Mississippi, to near Birmingham, Alabama. [I-22]

Next, the redesignation of Loop 20 as US 59 in Laredo, TX as a prerequisite for the I-69W designation indicates that FHWA would not deem I-269 as part of the "US 78 Corridor", particularly at the expense of the currently existing US 78.

Further, having the state line as a logical terminus because that is the end point for controlled access has a recent precedent in the western logical terminus for I-2 (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10573.msg251127#msg251127).  A stronger case can be made for the TN/MS state line than the western end of I-2 because I-22 is statutorily defined, whereas I-2 is not.

I can see FHWA having I-22 terminate at the I-269 interchange in order to avoid having regional and national through traffic plow into Lamar Avenue, but I also see that as a minimal potential problem that could be solved with adequate "informational" signage before the interchange.

In total, I think a western terminus at the MS/TN state line is the most likely outcome.

Considering that MS has "Future I-22" signs plastered all over US 78, Griz, I'd beg to think that MS would revolt if they didn't get in on the I-22 action. I'd assume that they could still sign it to I-269 and still satisfy the Congressional intent.

It would be much better if they could upgrade Lamar Avenue to a full Interstate and run I-22 all the way to I-40...but I suppose that would be a pipe dream and an impossibility.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: roadman65 on July 13, 2014, 10:36:38 AM
Why not just sign it into law like I-69 and I-99?  Nobody would question it as far as non road geeks go and already have an interstate between two big cities of our great nation.  Even if it is not directly connected at both ends, at least its something.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on July 13, 2014, 11:08:57 PM
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Why not just sign it into law like I-69 and I-99?

It already is.  See Grzrd's link in his last post (or, if FHWA's website still isn't working, Google "Public Law Number 108-199")

But that just means the route needs to be signed as I-22 upon completion.  FHWA is still free to follow their policies on WHEN to sign Interstate routes.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on July 26, 2014, 10:56:18 AM
This article (http://djournal.com/news/traffic-flows-northern-loop/) reports that Mississippi may start installing I-22 shields, "possibly in a few months":

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Tupelo Major Thoroughfare Committee chairman Greg Pirkle thanked a long list of cooperating officials and agencies whose work led to the opening of the east link in the new West Barnes Crossing Road, a five-lane connector from North Gloster Street via Mount Vernon Road to U.S. 78 near Belden ....
Pirkle told about 100 people who stood on the bridge or sat in metal folding chairs that it was difficult deciding precisely how to get a direct connection to U.S. 78, which will become Interstate 22, possibly in a few months, depending on other connections.



MDOT has posted a video of the overnight demolition of the Pigeon Roost Road Bridge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9EqnCB1Hjc), near the I-269 interchange.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on August 01, 2014, 03:21:50 PM
This report indicates (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/08/interstate_65_weekend_lane_clo.html) that lane closures will be in place this weekend in order to shift traffic onto the newly constructed lanes on I-65 through the I-22 interchange. This is a pretty big milestone for the interchange project, as it will allow some bridges to be finished over I-65 as well as demolishing the remaining bridge north of the I-22 interchange.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: clong on August 11, 2014, 03:20:37 PM
Drove up I-65 and the lane shifts for Northbound are now in effect. Some of the C/D lanes even being utilized. It appears most of the work is now in the median/former Northbound lanes.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on August 12, 2014, 03:50:43 PM
How's the work on Coalburg Road progressing?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: SSF on August 12, 2014, 09:22:30 PM
I hope it is about done, i hate Arkadelphia Road and having to take it. 

I am also wondering how the Jasper detour work is progressing. 

Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on August 13, 2014, 07:41:32 AM
I think Coalburg Road is back open from what I have heard from news outlets, but I have not been down there to see.

As for the Jasper detour, the westbound lanes are finished, and the eastbound lanes are now closed. Work should be done in November.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on August 13, 2014, 11:59:26 AM
Thanks Cody
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: I94RoadRunner on August 13, 2014, 07:42:12 PM
Looks like I will have to reclinch I-22 on my trip to Florida this year .....
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: clong on August 15, 2014, 02:29:53 PM
Looks like I will have to reclinch I-22 on my trip to Florida this year .....
Unless you're heading to Florida for Christmas (and even that I think is idealistic based on construction progress), you'll probably be more likely to clinch it to I-65 next spring.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on August 15, 2014, 04:35:56 PM
According to al.com, I-65 southbound lanes are now routed along the new northbound lanes. 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: I94RoadRunner on August 15, 2014, 11:07:48 PM
Looks like I will have to reclinch I-22 on my trip to Florida this year .....
Unless you're heading to Florida for Christmas (and even that I think is idealistic based on construction progress), you'll probably be more likely to clinch it to I-65 next spring.

Late February ..... Spring training!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on August 19, 2014, 09:33:20 AM
If it isn't one thing, it is another with the I-22/65 interchange project. This time, it was raveling asphalt on the new travel lanes that traffic was just shifted to: http://www.abc3340.com/story/26309255/aldot-crews-works-to-find-what-cause-portions-of-interstate-65-to-crumble
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on August 25, 2014, 03:59:06 PM
http://www.bizjournals.com/birmingham/news/2014/08/21/i-22-interchange-with-i-65-wont-be-completed-until.html

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But according to Brian Davis, third division engineer for the Alabama Department of Transportation, the interchange won't be finished until October 2015.

And that's only if ALDOT approves a proposal by Georgia-based contractor Archer Western to modify the design of bridges that will arch over I-65.

Sigh.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on September 05, 2014, 04:29:28 PM
Two more articles about the delays facing the I-22/65 interchange project:

Bridge design question factors into Interstate 22 construction delay (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/09/design_other_factors_delay_int.html) (includes updated pictures of the interchange since one of the I-65 main line lane shifts took place)
13 INVESTIGATES: I-22 delays (http://www.alabamas13.com/story/26453405/13-investigates-i-22-delays)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on September 11, 2014, 01:50:06 PM
Just letting everyone know, eastbound lanes of I-22 around Jasper are now reopened.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on September 15, 2014, 02:35:01 PM
This MDOT Press Release (http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Public%20Affairs/Lists/News%20Releases/Item/displayifs.aspx?List=ae1b236c-924d-498c-b14e-aafec6dc2864&ID=1234&Source=http%3A%2F%2Fspgomdot%2FPublic%2520Affairs%2FPages%2FNews-Releases%2Easpx&ContentTypeId=0x010087606675CA7A95408B80E8BFBB944273&IsDlg=2) reports that there will be lane closures on US 78/Future I-22 in order for beams to be set for a new bridge between Exits 81 and 85 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Tupelo,+MS/@34.3059524,-88.7569885,6867m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x88874c2e29de5fa1:0xe7f1cc40fb3d9d4f), which I assume will be for the new Coley Road/ Barnes Crossing interchange ....
As previously posted in another thread (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=97.msg306528;topicseen#msg306528), the interchange is expected to be completed in late summer or early fall

This article (http://www.wtva.com/news/local/story/Ribbon-cutting-set-for-final-Northern-Loop-section/g_ilDLJRp0SBg10iih3cRw.cspx) reports that there will be a ribbon cutting for the Coley Road bridge over US 78/Future I-22 on September 25.  It is unclear from the article whether the interchange itself will open to traffic on that date.  Recent email correspondence with MDOT indicates that it is destined to be signed as Exit 82:

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The plans show it as Exit 82.

Also, FWIW, the email correspondence seems to indicate that this bridge and/or or other bridge(s) are playing a role as to when the I-22 shields will go up in Mississippi:

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The US 78 / Coley Rd. location is going to be a full access, grade separated interchange. It is scheduled to open later this year. We are still awaiting a ruling from Congress on the bridge weight limits before any signing will be changed from US 78 to I-22.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on September 15, 2014, 06:58:51 PM
Guessing that's a typo, as that would be some serious micro-managing from Congress in an Excecutive branch if they were ruling on bridge weight limits.  They probably meant FHWA.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: SteveG1988 on October 06, 2014, 07:04:00 AM
I-22 is nice, i've driven it from US78 where you have to go through town to get to the eastern end (semis are not allowed past the exit there for now) to US78 in TN, it is a common route for me, so i should be able to provide updates but not photos, as the route that takes me along it is an all night drive from Atlanta GA to Lamar Ave in Memphis. I have only driven it once in the daytime, eastbound but have taken it several times at night, at least twice a month.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Gnutella on October 08, 2014, 03:01:47 AM
This article (http://djournal.com/news/traffic-flows-northern-loop/) reports that Mississippi may start installing I-22 shields, "possibly in a few months":

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Tupelo Major Thoroughfare Committee chairman Greg Pirkle thanked a long list of cooperating officials and agencies whose work led to the opening of the east link in the new West Barnes Crossing Road, a five-lane connector from North Gloster Street via Mount Vernon Road to U.S. 78 near Belden ....
Pirkle told about 100 people who stood on the bridge or sat in metal folding chairs that it was difficult deciding precisely how to get a direct connection to U.S. 78, which will become Interstate 22, possibly in a few months, depending on other connections.



MDOT has posted a video of the overnight demolition of the Pigeon Roost Road Bridge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9EqnCB1Hjc), near the I-269 interchange.

Has Mississippi improved the shoulders on that highway? When I drove it back in 2008, it honestly looked like the shoulders were made of gravel. :confused:
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on October 08, 2014, 07:17:34 AM
A lot of the shoulders along Future I-22 in Mississippi are now asphalt with rumble strips, thanks to resurfacing projects or projects to pave the shoulders. I can't think of any stretches off-hand that still have the tar and gravel shoulders.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: clong on October 15, 2014, 01:21:41 PM
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/10/i-22_interchange_construction.html (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/10/i-22_interchange_construction.html)

I-22 progress with pics from Al.com today
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: TrevorB on November 05, 2014, 04:25:19 PM
Just got a confirmation from MDOT that I-22 will end at I-269.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on November 05, 2014, 04:53:28 PM
Just got a confirmation from MDOT that I-22 will end at I-269.
Shit. FHWA will probably force them to renumber exits so mile 0 is at I-269.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: MikeSantNY78 on November 05, 2014, 04:55:15 PM
Just got a confirmation from MDOT that I-22 will end at I-269.
Will the current US 78 exit numbers continue to the Tenn. state line, or will there be a fresh re-numbering from I-269 onward? Seems an obvious answer is keep them as they are...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: TrevorB on November 05, 2014, 04:55:55 PM
Not sure, but I would assume they would keep them as they are
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on November 05, 2014, 08:37:02 PM
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Just got a confirmation from MDOT that I-22 will end at I-269.

Could you post the E-mail here?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: TrevorB on November 05, 2014, 10:07:07 PM
It's a FB message, but not that it makes a difference:

(http://i.imgur.com/HHcwZmj.png)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on November 07, 2014, 11:48:56 AM
Any new updates on the I-22 construction around Jasper or at Coalburg Road?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on November 07, 2014, 12:12:37 PM
The construction around Jasper is complete now. Coalburg Road is back open now, but the project to widen the road is not finished.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: barcncpt44 on November 07, 2014, 04:49:22 PM
Well, Archer Western, the contractor for the Interstate 22 interchange project is being assessed a $2,000 daily penalty until the project's completion.  It was supposed to be completed in October, and now won't be completed until August 2015.  Here is the article from al.com  http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/11/interstate_22_deal_reached_wit.html#incart_river (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/11/interstate_22_deal_reached_wit.html#incart_river)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: cjk374 on November 07, 2014, 05:09:58 PM
Well, Archer Western, the contractor for the Interstate 22 interchange project is being assessed a $2,000 daily penalty until the project's completion.  It was supposed to be completed in October, and now won't be completed until August 2015.  Here is the article from al.com  http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/11/interstate_22_deal_reached_wit.html#incart_river (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/11/interstate_22_deal_reached_wit.html#incart_river)

Sounds like they will have almost built that for Alabama for free.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: DeaconG on November 07, 2014, 07:03:13 PM
Well, Archer Western, the contractor for the Interstate 22 interchange project is being assessed a $2,000 daily penalty until the project's completion.  It was supposed to be completed in October, and now won't be completed until August 2015.  Here is the article from al.com  http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/11/interstate_22_deal_reached_wit.html#incart_river (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/11/interstate_22_deal_reached_wit.html#incart_river)

Well, how else can you get their attention unless you hit them in the pocketbook? Time to get off the dime, fellas!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on November 08, 2014, 02:50:46 AM
Even with that penalty if it is done in August 2015 it will only amount to $608,000, which is about 3.6% of the contract value. With the claims that Archer Western has filed, if they succeed they may still break even, at least.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: SSF on November 08, 2014, 09:08:33 PM
the thought that Archer Western doesn't have good counsel that will get the liquidated damages down to zero is laughable.

Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Henry on November 10, 2014, 12:33:26 PM
It's a FB message, but not that it makes a difference:

(http://i.imgur.com/HHcwZmj.png)

Well, at least we got our answer. I would've ended it concurrent with I-269 where it meets I-55 and I-269, but this message means that I-22 will share something in common with I-49 in Kansas City and I-70 in Baltimore: a crazy ending at a 3di. And it also means that TN just missed out on getting I-22, but there's always hope for that much dreamed-about Memphis-Atlanta Interstate that's at least a few decades into the future.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: MikeTheActuary on November 10, 2014, 03:23:56 PM
I'm disappointed they aren't taking I-22 all the way to the state line, at least, similar to the north...er, west end of I-26
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on November 10, 2014, 03:55:26 PM
I'm disappointed they aren't taking I-22 all the way to the state line, at least, similar to the north...er, west end of I-26
Check again. I-26 ends at US 11W. And FHWA made them start exit numbering there.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: adventurernumber1 on November 10, 2014, 06:41:19 PM
I'm disappointed they aren't taking I-22 all the way to the state line, at least, similar to the north...er, west end of I-26
Check again. I-26 ends at US 11W. And FHWA made them start exit numbering there.

NE2 is right, from what I've seen on Google Maps. But U.S. 23 continues north as a limited-access road briefly, and literally right at the Virginia line becomes nonlimited-access. But to save the thread from going off-topic, I personally have always thought I-22 would continue on US 78 into TN towards I-240. This is a bit of a surprise to me.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on November 10, 2014, 09:15:00 PM
So I guess the Future I-22 Corridor sign just south of the TN/MS State Line will go away?  :spin:
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on November 10, 2014, 09:23:57 PM
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But to save the thread from going off-topic, I personally have always thought I-22 would continue on US 78 into TN towards I-240. This is a bit of a surprise to me.

I'm not surprised.  Except for a little bit near the Raines Rd interchange 78/Lamar Ave has zero access control from Holmes Rd (barely 1/2 mile from the MS line) to I-240.  That's 6.5 miles of what is basically an arterial and not an expressway (let alone freeway).  It would be a massive and expensive undertaking.

Regarding the terminus, MDOT didn't have to request termination at I-269...as others have noted, it could have followed I-269 to end at I-55, or go the other direction on 269 up to I-40.  Given precedent and FHWA policy, they also could have extended it inside I-269 up to MS 302.  But the only way it could continue on US 78 into Tennessee is if Tennessee rebuilt 78 all the way to 240 as a freeway.  For reasons cited earlier in the thread, that's looking highly unlikely.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: I94RoadRunner on November 10, 2014, 11:32:15 PM
Just got a confirmation from MDOT that I-22 will end at I-269.

Interesting. I guess the plans of an I-22/I-269 multiplex to Hernando got changed - The original plan in order to connect 22 directly to 55 and 69 ..... Guess it is not really needed though as long as there are 'to I-22' signs at the junction of I-55/69/269 ..... Got to keep all of the 'tourons' from getting lost!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on November 11, 2014, 11:04:21 AM
Honestly it's probably the best solution, since continuing the I-22 designation to the state line would probably attract some incremental long-distance traffic to the Lamar corridor that would be better served following I-55 or TN 385 into Memphis proper. There's no reason to schlep up Lamar unless you're going somewhere near it (and most out-of-towners aren't, unless they're going to the airport; even the airport terminal isn't that convenient from Lamar).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on November 11, 2014, 12:00:54 PM
So I guess the Future I-22 Corridor sign just south of the TN/MS State Line will go away?  :spin:
Honestly it's probably the best solution, since continuing the I-22 designation to the state line would probably attract some incremental long-distance traffic to the Lamar corridor that would be better served following I-55 or TN 385 into Memphis proper. There's no reason to schlep up Lamar unless you're going somewhere near it (and most out-of-towners aren't, unless they're going to the airport; even the airport terminal isn't that convenient from Lamar).

Having a terminus at I-269 is a common sense solution. With this in mind, I wonder if MDOT would borrow a page from TxDOT's I-369 and I-69W deviations from federal statutory language and seek an I-x22 "spur" designation along US 78 from I-269 to the state line.  In theory, this would minimize the incremental long-distance traffic to the Lamar corridor and provide businesses along that section of US 78 with an interstate shield that would essentially comply with the statutory language.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on November 11, 2014, 12:28:37 PM
Just got a confirmation from MDOT that I-22 will end at I-269.

Interesting. I guess the plans of an I-22/I-269 multiplex to Hernando got changed - The original plan in order to connect 22 directly to 55 and 69 ..... Guess it is not really needed though as long as there are 'to I-22' signs at the junction of I-55/69/269 ..... Got to keep all of the 'tourons' from getting lost!

I would think that TDOT may post TO I-22 shields at the I-55/I-240 interchange as well, similar to what they do with I-59 in Chattanooga at the I-24/75 interchange.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: I94RoadRunner on November 12, 2014, 02:28:50 AM
Yes, exactly.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on November 12, 2014, 07:40:00 AM
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I guess the plans of an I-22/I-269 multiplex to Hernando got changed - The original plan in order to connect 22 directly to 55 and 69

I don't think this was ever conclusively determined.  Was more a "running theory" than anything else.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: I94RoadRunner on November 12, 2014, 02:59:58 PM
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I guess the plans of an I-22/I-269 multiplex to Hernando got changed - The original plan in order to connect 22 directly to 55 and 69

I don't think this was ever conclusively determined.  Was more a "running theory" than anything else.
It really only makes sense to end I-22 at I-55/69 in Hernando if you think about it .....
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on November 12, 2014, 03:13:10 PM
I thought about it and it makes sense to end it at I-269.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on November 12, 2014, 04:25:11 PM
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It really only makes sense to end I-22 at I-55/69 in Hernando if you think about it

Not necessarily.  An argument could also be made for shifting it north into Tennessee to either I-240 (via TN 385) or I-40.  There's also precedent elsewhere for 2-digit routes ending at a 3-digit route, such as I-4 at I-275, I-69 (for now) at I-465, and I-70 at I-695 for examples.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on November 12, 2014, 04:54:01 PM
There's also precedent elsewhere for 2-digit routes ending at a 3-digit route, such as I-4 at I-275, I-69 (for now) at I-465, and I-70 at I-695 for examples.
Since all of those came about long after the original system was laid out, I-76 at I-295 may be a better example of how the Interstate system has always had 2DIs ending at 3DIs (once the 3DI numbering was finalized - initially Philly-295 would have been a 3DI). On the other hand, some choices were made to deliberately end 2DIs at other 2DIs, such as I-179 north of I-90.

There was also 93 at 695, but the latter was never completed.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on November 24, 2014, 05:07:08 PM
Several weeks ago (before TrevorB posted the news that MDOT will have I-22 end at I-269), I emailed FHWA's Washington office and asked whether I-22 could end at the state line, if that was in accordance with MDOT's wishes.  Basically, I was informed that they cannot directly answer hypothetical questions; however, the individual who wrote the response provided some background information that sheds some light on Congressionally designated corridors, which is as follows:

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Thank you for your question regarding future I-22.  We can only provide specific answers to formal system modification requests submitted by State(s) for evaluation.  While we cannot provide concrete answers to hypothetical questions, we can provide background information that you might find helpful.
You are correct High Priority Corridor (HPC) #45 was designated as future Interstate route with the numbering of “I-22” in Section 1105 of ISTEA, as amended.  Congress has designated a handful of High Priority Corridors (or portions thereof) as future Interstates.  In some cases, Congress has specified the specific routing, as they did with future I-22.  In cases where the language is not exact, the States retain the authority to select routes, provided they are following existing law and regulation in doing so.  Unless Congress specifically exempts a State from provisions of existing law and regulation, those remain in effect.
Neither FHWA nor the State DOTs can “ignore the congressional designation.”  However, a State (or States) that didn’t wish to build a designated future Interstate could not be compelled to do so. 
In general, under the Federal-aid Highway Program, States have the authority on where, when, and how Federal-aid highway funds are spent.  Since MAP-21, States can have segments of unconnected congressionally designated future Interstates added to the system, provided they are planned to connect to the System by October 1, 2037.  However, there is no time limit on when the States have to request these additions.
Since HPC #45 states that the corridor extends from Memphis, TN to near Birmingham, AL without specific endpoints specified, it is up to the States to suggest logical endpoints.  FHWA will, of course, work with the Mississippi and Tennessee DOTs to answer any questions about appropriate routing and termini

It looks like FHWA will have absolutely no problem with an I-269 terminus.  That said, the response, with the reference to 2037 and the Tennessee DOT, leaves the door open for some type of future extension into Tennessee ........
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on December 04, 2014, 07:57:06 PM
This article (http://www.wtva.com/news/local/story/Ribbon-cutting-set-for-final-Northern-Loop-section/g_ilDLJRp0SBg10iih3cRw.cspx) reports that there will be a ribbon cutting for the Coley Road bridge over US 78/Future I-22 on September 25.  It is unclear from the article whether the interchange itself will open to traffic on that date.  Recent email correspondence with MDOT indicates that it is destined to be signed as Exit 82:
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The plans show it as Exit 82.

Google Street View has July 2014 imagery (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.3084877,-88.7710025,3a,75y,123.23h,100.41t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s_zapxKW3W6bq7eXQGJ-GiA!2e0) of construction on the interchange.

Google's map of the interchange (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Tupelo,+MS/@34.310862,-88.7762575,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x88874c2e29de5fa1:0xe7f1cc40fb3d9d4f) seems to show two open ramps, but Google has not designated the interchange as Exit 82:

(http://i.imgur.com/Q7CuYC8.jpg)

Does anyone know if the interchange has been opened to traffic, and, if so, whether it has been signed as Exit 82?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: clong on December 05, 2014, 02:03:17 PM
Drove thru the I-22/I-65 interchange area yesterday both northbound and southbound on I-65.

The first ramp now has its final girder set in place. Northbound traffic now drives on the C/D and southbound drives on the future northbound lanes (at least for most of the zone) as they are working on the bridges over the former southbound lanes and grading and paving the former median area.

Sorry no pics this time.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: clong on December 08, 2014, 03:25:09 PM
]http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/12/i-22_interchange_construction_1.html] (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/12/i-22_interchange_construction_1.html)

Thanks to the Birmingham News for picking me up with some pics that are much better than the ones I could have taken driving down the road.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Molandfreak on December 19, 2014, 12:16:25 AM
Nooooooooooooooo! I-22 should take over future I-555! Not end at a bypass.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on December 19, 2014, 05:43:58 PM
the email correspondence seems to indicate that this bridge and/or or other bridge(s) are playing a role as to when the I-22 shields will go up in Mississippi:
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The US 78 / Coley Rd. location is going to be a full access, grade separated interchange. It is scheduled to open later this year. We are still awaiting a ruling from Congress on the bridge weight limits before any signing will be changed from US 78 to I-22.

This MDOT Press Release (http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Public%20Affairs/Lists/News%20Releases/Item/displayifs.aspx?List=ae1b236c-924d-498c-b14e-aafec6dc2864&ID=1376&Source=http%3A%2F%2Fspgomdot%2FPublic%2520Affairs%2FPages%2FNews-Releases%2Easpx&ContentTypeId=0x010087606675CA7A95408B80E8BFBB944273&IsDlg=2) announces that the recent omnibus bill signed by President Obama includes a provision that the allowable weight limits on U.S. 78 will not change when it is converted to I-22.  Also of interest is that the bill covers U.S. 78/ Future I-22 from mile marker 0 to mile marker 113, which means that would allow an I-22 designation all of the way to the Tennessee state line:

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This week, President Obama signed a bill into law that included a section regarding weight limits for U.S. Route 78 in Mississippi.
The 2015 Fiscal Year Omnibus Appropriation Bill (H.R. 83) passed by Congress last week ensures the previous weight limit for harvest permitted loads of 84,000 pounds will not be changed by the new interstate designation and weight restriction of 80,000 pounds from mile marker 0 to mile marker 113 when U.S. 78 becomes Interstate 22 in North Mississippi.
“Agriculture is the number one industry in Mississippi, and without this bill, transport of these goods along the future Interstate 22 would be severely crippled,” said Transportation Commissioner Mike Tagert. “We sincerely appreciate Congressmen Alan Nunnelee and Gregg Harper, and Sens. Thad Cochran and Roger Wicker for their efforts in passing this legislation that will greatly benefit our state’s economy.”
The $1.1 trillion spending bill amends Division K, Title 1 Section 125 of the United States Code to the following: “Operation of vehicles on certain Mississippi Highways - If any segment of United States Route 78 in Mississippi from mile marker 0 to mile marker 113 is designated as part of the Interstate System, no limit established under this section may apply to that segment with respect to the operation of any vehicle that could have legally operated on that segment before such designation.”

I-269 in near future; state line in distant future?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: cjk374 on December 19, 2014, 06:28:27 PM
Hopefully this doesn't mean we should expect to see slow-moving farm equipment on the interstate?  Is that what they are referring to?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: hbelkins on December 19, 2014, 07:11:48 PM
Hopefully this doesn't mean we should expect to see slow-moving farm equipment on the interstate?  Is that what they are referring to?

Sounds more like it refers to weight than vehicle type or speed. Kentucky has special provisions for coal trucks that allow them to operate at heavier weights than other normal commercial vehicles.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on December 20, 2014, 01:03:02 PM
This MDOT Press Release (http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Public%20Affairs/Lists/News%20Releases/Item/displayifs.aspx?List=ae1b236c-924d-498c-b14e-aafec6dc2864&ID=1376&Source=http%3A%2F%2Fspgomdot%2FPublic%2520Affairs%2FPages%2FNews-Releases%2Easpx&ContentTypeId=0x010087606675CA7A95408B80E8BFBB944273&IsDlg=2) announces that the recent omnibus bill signed by President Obama includes a provision that the allowable weight limits on U.S. 78 will not change when it is converted to I-22.

MDOT issued a revised Press Release (http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Public%20Affairs/Lists/News%20Releases/Item/displayifs.aspx?List=ae1b236c-924d-498c-b14e-aafec6dc2864&ID=1376&Source=http%3A%2F%2Fspgomdot%2FPublic%2520Affairs%2FPages%2FNews-Releases%2Easpx&ContentTypeId=0x010087606675CA7A95408B80E8BFBB944273&IsDlg=2) on December 20 which clarifies that the omnibus bill will expire in September, 2015 and that a permanent solution is still needed:

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While the bill will expire in September 2015, MDOT will continue to work with Congress to pass a permanent solution.

Will MDOT now be hesitant to install the I-22 shields until a permanent solution is finalized?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on December 20, 2014, 10:48:22 PM
Does anyone know if the interchange has been opened to traffic, and, if so, whether it has been signed as Exit 82?

It's fully open now. It was dark when I got to Tupelo so I didn't get a good look at the guide signage off US 78, so I can't confirm the exit number (I drove Barnes Crossing west from US 45 west to US 78 to get speed limits to put in OSM).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on December 31, 2014, 05:58:49 PM
Does anyone know if the interchange has been opened to traffic, and, if so, whether it has been signed as Exit 82?
It's fully open now. It was dark when I got to Tupelo so I didn't get a good look at the guide signage off US 78, so I can't confirm the exit number

After having driven from Atlanta to Oxford, MS yesterday, I can now answer my own question and confirm that it is signed as Exit 82.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on December 31, 2014, 09:08:28 PM
Does anyone know if the interchange has been opened to traffic, and, if so, whether it has been signed as Exit 82?
It's fully open now. It was dark when I got to Tupelo so I didn't get a good look at the guide signage off US 78, so I can't confirm the exit number

After having driven from Atlanta to Oxford, MS yesterday, I can now answer my own question and confirm that it is signed as Exit 82.

I am a bit curious if the signage on the intersecting roads has any covered up I-22 shields, or greened-out ones.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on December 31, 2014, 10:08:14 PM
I am a bit curious if the signage on the intersecting roads has any covered up I-22 shields, or greened-out ones.

There was no I-22 signage in place, either visible or covered, and nothing greened out; Mississippi rarely puts shields on guide signs anyway unless they're overheads or on expressways/freeways.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: SteveG1988 on January 01, 2015, 09:01:26 AM
I drive the length of I-22/US78 from birmingham to memphis on a rather frequent basis, past week i did it at least three times, but i mostly drive it at night, we got an overnight run from Atlanta to Memphis, this road makes that run a cakewalk.

Once you cross the state line the most you get is Future I-22 Corridor in MS, and even that is infrequent. Several overheads on the AL section still say 78 TUPELO.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on January 01, 2015, 01:42:22 PM
I drive the length of I-22/US78 from birmingham to memphis on a rather frequent basis, past week i did it at least three times, but i mostly drive it at night, we got an overnight run from Atlanta to Memphis, this road makes that run a cakewalk.

Once you cross the state line the most you get is Future I-22 Corridor in MS, and even that is infrequent. Several overheads on the AL section still say 78 TUPELO.

I'm surprised ALDOT hasn't replaced overheads. The most that has happened is the installation of mainline I-22 shields and some at a few intersecting roads in Marion County. No overheads, and no consistency as to what to do to sign existing US 78, either.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on January 16, 2015, 09:54:44 PM
Went through the I-22 I-65 construction zone today. If I'm wrong, please, someone correct me, but I see no way this project will be finished by August of this year. And isn't that the new date to be finished? There is a lot of unfinished work there.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on January 17, 2015, 08:23:11 PM
Went through the I-22 I-65 construction zone today. If I'm wrong, please, someone correct me, but I see no way this project will be finished by August of this year. And isn't that the new date to be finished? There is a lot of unfinished work there.

I drove through there today for the first time in about a month and thought the same thing.  I saw a fair amount of progress from my last trip through there, but I'm rather skeptical that the 22/65 interchange will be finished in seven months, much less the new ramp from US 31 north onto I-65 north. 

A couple of questions that maybe someone knows the answer to: (1) What is the status of the connection between I-22 and US 31?  Will that be a separate project? (2)  Will the existing exit from I-65 S onto US 31 remain, or will it be torn down?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on January 19, 2015, 06:05:15 PM
I think they are just claiming "by then end of 2015" and have backed off the other claim of in the summer.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on January 19, 2015, 06:55:53 PM
Just wondering, was Archer Western up to a project of this size? From what I remember, most of the Alabama parts of I-22 was built by Hill Brothers(Miss) and Wright Brothers(Tn). Was the so called "engineering" problems real? Or just a smoke screen?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: SSF on January 20, 2015, 07:49:40 PM
Archer Western is not exactly a small firm, I am pretty sure they could handle something like this.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on January 21, 2015, 03:12:58 PM
A couple of questions that maybe someone knows the answer to: (1) What is the status of the connection between I-22 and US 31?  Will that be a separate project? (2)  Will the existing exit from I-65 S onto US 31 remain, or will it be torn down?

1) There was a contract let a couple of years ago to do structure demolition for the I-22/US 31 connection, but as far as the construction itself, it will be a separate project. Not sure when it will happen, though.

2) I think it will end up staying. From what I can remember years ago (maybe even in the plans for the I-22/65 interchange), the I-22 continuation to US 31 will only be accessible to and from I-22. There won't be any ramps from that connector to and from I-65.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on January 29, 2015, 08:07:10 PM
I drove I-22 from Tupelo to Coalburg Road today.  The inconsistency of the signage amazes me.  Of course, Mississippi still signs the route as US 78.  Between the Alabama state line and Jasper, the route is alternately signed as I-22, US 78, SR 4, and/or any number of combinations thereof.  East of Jasper the route is signed strictly as I-22 except for trailblazing signs on exits.  Confusing? Yes.  Amateurish? Beyond all description.

The control cities on what few distance signs there are in Alabama is laughable.  Signs in Mississippi have Birmingham as the principal destination.  Once in Alabama the only destination not included on the signs is Farmer Brown's Pasture.  ALDOT should be ashamed.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on January 29, 2015, 09:51:52 PM
And you forgot "Little Texas". Could not agree with you more. I have always wondered for instance at state highway 13, why the control signs do not say Tuscaloosa and either Haleyville, or even Florence? My personal view, it's local politics.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 02, 2015, 07:36:15 AM
I absolutely hate how inconsistent the signage is along I-22. It is as if whoever did the design for each signing job for each segment didn't talk to the other designer, so you have all of these different control cities, and some places where you have mileage signs and some that don't, and even then you don't have mileage to the next major control city (and Hamilton doesn't count). I really hope ALDOT does a complete resigning project for I-22 once everything is done. The reason the signs in Mississippi are so consistent is because MDOT did a mass resigning job in the early 2000's along the entire stretch of US 78/I-22. The signs in Mississippi before that were woefully substandard.

i also hope US 78 is rerouted back onto its former alignment, but since AASHTO tends to frown upon that, I don't see that ever happening.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on February 02, 2015, 09:20:27 AM
i also hope US 78 is rerouted back onto its former alignment, but since AASHTO tends to frown upon that, I don't see that ever happening.
AASHTO has approved a US 78 Alt. from Hamilton to Graysville, practically the entire length of I-22 in Alabama. ALDOT can always pull a North Carolina and forget the plates.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 02, 2015, 09:21:55 AM
i also hope US 78 is rerouted back onto its former alignment, but since AASHTO tends to frown upon that, I don't see that ever happening.
AASHTO has approved a US 78 Alt. from Hamilton to Graysville, practically the entire length of I-22 in Alabama. ALDOT can always pull a North Carolina and forget the plates.

That is what I am hoping will happen.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 06, 2015, 03:54:04 PM
ALDOT has the project on their February 27th letting to let the base, paving, and signing on I-22 between CR 77 and I-65. There are also plans to redo some of the signing between the Graysville AL 5 interchange and CR 77. From looking at the signing plans (http://alletting.dot.state.al.us/PLANPROP/20150227_Call_No_001_Plans.pdf) (which start on Page 46 of the PDF), things aren't made more consistent or less confusing.

- Going eastbound on I-22 approaching the AL 5 interchange, US 78 is signed as the main route at the exit, but going westbound, it is AL 4, with no mention of AL 5 whatsoever.
- The entire length of I-22 east of AL 5 will be cosigned with US 78, but at the I-65 interchange, US 78 just disappears. Right now US 78 is cosigned with AL 5 from I-22 southeast to its present alignment at US 11.
- Jasper is still used as a control city for I-22 westbound, instead of Tupelo or Memphis.
- No mileage signs are being added as part of the plans.
- OAPL signs will be used along I-22 approaching I-65, but there aren't any signs being installed that say TO I-20 and I-59, which, to me, would make sense in this case.

I really think it is ridiculous that ALDOT can't get the signage halfway decent along I-22.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on February 06, 2015, 06:50:16 PM
ALDOT has the project on their February 27th letting to let the base, paving, and signing on I-22 between CR 77 and I-65. There are also plans to redo some of the signing between the Graysville AL 5 interchange and CR 77. From looking at the signing plans (http://alletting.dot.state.al.us/PLANPROP/20150227_Call_No_001_Plans.pdf) (which start on Page 46 of the PDF), things aren't made more consistent or less confusing.

- Going eastbound on I-22 approaching the AL 5 interchange, US 78 is signed as the main route at the exit, but going westbound, it is AL 4, with no mention of AL 5 whatsoever.

Those are retained signs from what's already posted, not new signs. I think it's a typo in the plan sheets; westbound the sign is currently for AL 5, not AL 4. The only new guide signs are those illustrated on plan sheets 100 and 101 (122/123 of the PDF). Since they can't install the new signs until the route is complete to I-65 and they can move US 78, I'd imagine that's when the Exit 85 signs will be replaced.

As for the cross-road signage, it's not exactly unusual to post a local destination rather than a long-distance control city for traffic entering from local roads like CR 77; they're far more likely to be headed to Jasper than Memphis, after all. And again they're retained signs, not new fabs.

Also of note: they're raising the speed limit from 65 to 70, and it appears the signs on I-65 are part of a separate project.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 07, 2015, 09:54:36 AM
Also of note: they're raising the speed limit from 65 to 70, and it appears the signs on I-65 are part of a separate project.

Those signs are to be installed as part of the I-22/65 interchange project, but the I-22 signs are to be covered up until the paving project is complete.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 10, 2015, 07:32:50 AM
The latest pictures from the I-22/I-65 interchange construction: http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/02/interstate_65_plan_for_heavy_m.html
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: MikeSantNY78 on February 10, 2015, 10:43:08 AM
The latest pictures from the I-22/I-65 interchange construction: http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/02/interstate_65_plan_for_heavy_m.html
Nice to see they're doing something at the I-65 end; nicer if they can get the Coalburg to I-65 part of I-22 done on time as well...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on February 12, 2015, 12:16:43 AM
Don't think anyone's posted photos of signs yet:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7510/15306956713_9ceb3d5c06_z.jpg)
from http://www.flickr.com/photos/auvet/15306956713/
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: formulanone on February 12, 2015, 03:04:53 PM
There's a few from last February...

http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=724.msg281092#msg281092
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on February 17, 2015, 12:29:42 PM
Does anyone really think this is completed in August as indicated in the article linked by codyg1985?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on February 17, 2015, 11:11:46 PM
Went through the I-22 I-65 construction zone today. If I'm wrong, please, someone correct me, but I see no way this project will be finished by August of this year. And isn't that the new date to be finished? There is a lot of unfinished work there.

I drove through there today for the first time in about a month and thought the same thing.  I saw a fair amount of progress from my last trip through there, but I'm rather skeptical that the 22/65 interchange will be finished in seven months, much less the new ramp from US 31 north onto I-65 north. 

A couple of questions that maybe someone knows the answer to: (1) What is the status of the connection between I-22 and US 31?  Will that be a separate project? (2)  Will the existing exit from I-65 S onto US 31 remain, or will it be torn down?

I answered part of my own question when I drove out to see the progress last weekend.  The existing exit from I-65 onto US 31 will be incorporated into a C/D exit from I-65 S onto I-22 W; similarly, the ramp from US 31 onto I-65 is being incorporated into the same C/D.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on February 19, 2015, 01:17:08 PM
Local Jasper, Al newspaper, The Daily Mountian Eagle(yeah, I know, it's a mouth full), had an interview with an ALDOT official in Wed. paper. Wallace McAdory said the interchange would be completed between Oct. and Nov. of this year. So, I guess we shall see.

He also was talking about ALDOT redoing there districts? What's that all about?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 19, 2015, 01:31:24 PM
He also was talking about ALDOT redoing there districts? What's that all about?

http://www.annistonstar.com/news/article_cd41c014-0d3d-11e4-a24a-001a4bcf887a.html
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on March 02, 2015, 09:16:50 PM
Could the end finally be in sight?

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/03/aldot_receives_bid_to_pave_the.html#incart_river
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on March 02, 2015, 10:10:22 PM
Yeah, just saw the same article a few minutes ago. One can only hope. Given the troubles with the flyovers, I for one, when it is open for traffic, would make all the ALDOT officials and the guys at Archer Western ride over them first.....just to be on the safe side!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: ARMOURERERIC on March 02, 2015, 10:22:16 PM
With the sequencing of construction, how hard would it be to get the 22e to 65s ramp open?  Would that not be a big help?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on March 02, 2015, 11:21:16 PM
With the sequencing of construction, how hard would it be to get the 22e to 65s ramp open?  Would that not be a big help?

In a perfect world, yes it would.  But the rebuild of SB I-65 is nowhere near being complete.  Remember, we're talking about Alabama, where any and all highway construction makes no sense whatsoever.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on March 26, 2015, 04:12:31 PM
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/03/interstate_22_interchange_on_t.html#incart_river

Late August they say...but that doesn't include the paving of the last section up to the interchange.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on March 26, 2015, 10:54:54 PM
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/03/interstate_22_interchange_on_t.html#incart_river

Late August they say...but that doesn't include the paving of the last section up to the interchange.

Late August...but they didn't say what year!   :-D
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: freebrickproductions on March 27, 2015, 07:50:18 AM
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/03/interstate_22_interchange_on_t.html#incart_river

Late August they say...but that doesn't include the paving of the last section up to the interchange.

Late August...but they didn't say what year!   :-D
Late August of 2064. :spin:
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on March 27, 2015, 11:07:20 AM
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/03/interstate_22_interchange_on_t.html#incart_river

Late August they say...but that doesn't include the paving of the last section up to the interchange.

At least the paving part should be a straightforward piece compared to the behemoth that has been the interchange. I am optimistic that they will finish paving by the end of the year, since they don't have to place a very long stretch of pavement.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: cjk374 on March 27, 2015, 12:20:09 PM
I'll be headed to Huntsville tomorrow to see this major interchange work for myself.  Is the construction zone a booger to deal with?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on March 27, 2015, 01:35:58 PM
I'll be headed to Huntsville tomorrow to see this major interchange work for myself.  Is the construction zone a booger to deal with?

It depends on the weekend. This weekend, there will be double lane closures southbound on I-65 between 5 AM and 8 AM on Saturday related to the I-22 interchange construction: http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/03/heavy_delays_double_lane_closu.html#incart_river

I wished I was in town (I live in Huntsville) so that we could meet up, but, alas, maybe another time. :)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Henry on March 27, 2015, 02:55:10 PM
I read that US 31, the road that runs parallel to I-65, is also under construction, so there's double-jeopardy in that area. There ought to be a better alternative to these two roads close by...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: cjk374 on March 27, 2015, 06:10:55 PM
I'll be headed to Huntsville tomorrow to see this major interchange work for myself.  Is the construction zone a booger to deal with?

It depends on the weekend. This weekend, there will be double lane closures southbound on I-65 between 5 AM and 8 AM on Saturday related to the I-22 interchange construction: http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/03/heavy_delays_double_lane_closu.html#incart_river

I wished I was in town (I live in Huntsville) so that we could meet up, but, alas, maybe another time. :)

Another time indeed Cody.  :cheers:

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Crews will cut out sections of damaged pavement and pouring new concrete, which requires enough time to settle and dry properly, according to ALDOT. The work will be done as weather cooperates.

The lanes will reopen by 5 a.m. Monday.

In Louisiana's and Arkansas' construction spec books, no one is to drive on newly poured slabs for 7 days for concrete curing.  Is AL using a quicker curing concrete or is this in their spec book?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on March 30, 2015, 07:18:49 AM
I am not sure what exactly they use, but I suspect they add a type of cement that reacts quicker as well as an admixture that speeds up the curing time. I have seen this done in a few areas where concrete has been placed. The side effect of it is that there may be shrinkage cracking due to the speed of the reaction (and the heat generated by it).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on March 30, 2015, 08:26:04 PM
The latest from al.com about the construction of of the I-22/I-65 interchange:

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/03/i-22_interchange_construction_2.html
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on March 31, 2015, 10:13:54 AM
I passed through the construction zone going southbound on Friday. The contractor has already installed additional overhead signage (but has them covered with tarps) for the eventual C/D road to I-22 West and US 31.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: clong on April 07, 2015, 01:20:20 PM
I was able to see Exit 265 as one of the aforementioned tarps had slipped down.
Title: Mississippi Submits Application For I-22 Designation
Post by: Grzrd on May 05, 2015, 08:38:00 PM
It's a FB message, but not that it makes a difference:
(http://i.imgur.com/HHcwZmj.png)

It looks like the time has finally arrived, as this MDOT Press Release (http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Public%20Affairs/Lists/News%20Releases/Item/displayifs.aspx?List=ae1b236c-924d-498c-b14e-aafec6dc2864&ID=1493&Source=http%3A%2F%2Fspgomdot%2FPublic%2520Affairs%2FPages%2FNews-Releases%2Easpx&ContentTypeId=0x010087606675CA7A95408B80E8BFBB944273&IsDlg=2) reflects:

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The Mississippi Transportation Commission (MTC) has authorized the Mississippi Department of Transportation (MDOT) to submit an application for approval to designate U.S. Highway 78 as Interstate 22 in North Mississippi.
U.S. 78 was congressionally designated as a future interstate corridor and will connect to Interstate 269 in Mississippi once construction is complete. MDOT’s application to change U.S. 78 to I-22 will be sent to the U.S. Department of Transportation and the Federal Highway Administration for final approval.

I assume the MTC gave MDOT the approval to submit the application in time for MDOT to meet the application submittal deadline for the May 13 AASHTO Special Committee on Route Numbering meeting.  We'll know soon .........



So I guess the Future I-22 Corridor sign just south of the TN/MS State Line will go away?  :spin:

It will be interesting to see if it remains.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on May 05, 2015, 09:11:40 PM
The application to AASHTO will be interesting for sure. I was almost tempted to ask my mom (who drove to Tupelo last weekend from Jasper) if there were any signs up, but she wouldn't have known.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Cemajr on May 05, 2015, 09:12:21 PM
Any updates about what TN plans to do about I-22 in Memphis?  Last I read it was looking unfeasible to upgrade Lamar Ave to Interstate through town up to I-240.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on May 05, 2015, 09:30:49 PM
Any updates about what TN plans to do about I-22 in Memphis?  Last I read it was looking unfeasible to upgrade Lamar Ave to Interstate through town up to I-240.

TN plans to do nothing, since I-22 will end at I-269. They had the option of using the HPC designation to justify upgrading Lamar to full freeway standards, but they've chosen not to do so, so even if all the planned projects happen the freeway-standard section will probably peter out around Winchester.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on May 06, 2015, 07:06:57 AM
Any updates about what TN plans to do about I-22 in Memphis?  Last I read it was looking unfeasible to upgrade Lamar Ave to Interstate through town up to I-240.

TN plans to do nothing, since I-22 will end at I-269. They had the option of using the HPC designation to justify upgrading Lamar to full freeway standards, but they've chosen not to do so, so even if all the planned projects happen the freeway-standard section will probably peter out around Winchester.

If it ever makes it to Winchester, then I would figure there may be enough political will to finish it to I-240, but, as you said, that is IF all the planned projects happen.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msubulldog on May 09, 2015, 10:41:26 PM
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/03/interstate_22_interchange_on_t.html#incart_river

Late August they say...but that doesn't include the paving of the last section up to the interchange.

Late August...but they didn't say what year!   :-D
Late August of 2064. :spin:

I will be 100 then--LOL
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: SteveG1988 on May 10, 2015, 06:47:26 AM
There is no change on the signage. Still says 78, Future I-22 Corridor on sporadicaly placed signage.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on May 11, 2015, 10:18:51 AM
There is no change on the signage. Still says 78, Future I-22 Corridor on sporadicaly placed signage.

MDOT is awaiting approval from AASHTO and FHWA before installing signage.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Henry on May 11, 2015, 01:22:51 PM
There is no change on the signage. Still says 78, Future I-22 Corridor on sporadicaly placed signage.

MDOT is awaiting approval from AASHTO and FHWA before installing signage.
And even then, I wouldn't expect to see signs until after I-269 is completed where it crosses over I-22.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on May 14, 2015, 08:32:26 PM
There is no change on the signage. Still says 78, Future I-22 Corridor on sporadicaly placed signage.

MDOT is awaiting approval from AASHTO and FHWA before installing signage.
And even then, I wouldn't expect to see signs until after I-269 is completed where it crosses over I-22.

Makes sense to not sign an interstate until an interstate that has an interchange with it is complete at that particular interchange
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on May 14, 2015, 08:35:50 PM
There is no change on the signage. Still says 78, Future I-22 Corridor on sporadicaly placed signage.

MDOT is awaiting approval from AASHTO and FHWA before installing signage.
And even then, I wouldn't expect to see signs until after I-269 is completed where it crosses over I-22.

Makes sense to not sign an interstate until an interstate that has an interchange with it is complete at that particular interchange

Or they could just design the entire thing as I-22 (from the TN/MS line to the MS/AL line) as I-22, but it doesn't seem like they will do that. It would eliminate both that problem and having to renumber the exits and reset the mileposts.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Henry on May 15, 2015, 12:55:23 PM
There is no change on the signage. Still says 78, Future I-22 Corridor on sporadicaly placed signage.

MDOT is awaiting approval from AASHTO and FHWA before installing signage.
And even then, I wouldn't expect to see signs until after I-269 is completed where it crosses over I-22.

Makes sense to not sign an interstate until an interstate that has an interchange with it is complete at that particular interchange

Or they could just design the entire thing as I-22 (from the TN/MS line to the MS/AL line) as I-22, but it doesn't seem like they will do that. It would eliminate both that problem and having to renumber the exits and reset the mileposts.
Also, there's the possibility of extending I-22 westward onto I-269, but we'll see whether that happens, however little chance it may actually have.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: TrevorB on May 15, 2015, 07:56:48 PM
It was already confirmed by MDOT that the I-269/I-22 concurrence is not happening. I-22 is ending at I-269.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: roadman65 on May 15, 2015, 08:17:42 PM
It was already confirmed by MDOT that the I-269/I-22 concurrence is not happening. I-22 is ending at I-269.
Then they better put up TO- I-22 signs along I-55 and TO I-55 signs up at the end of I-22.   I think we have a better chance of ISIS becoming born again Christians then we do having I-22 being completed into Memphis.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: TrevorB on May 15, 2015, 08:18:22 PM
HAHA...yes they definitely need that! Don't know why they don't extend it through 240 or at least to the state line
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on May 15, 2015, 10:57:14 PM
HAHA...yes they definitely need that! Don't know why they don't extend it through 240 or at least to the state line

I could see a problem with long-distance motorists assuming that if you stay on I-22 past I-269 that you would have an interstate-grade facility all the way into Memphis, so that is a rationale for ending it at I-269. It could always be extended later if/when Lamar Avenue is upgraded to a freeway (which will cost mega $$$).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on May 16, 2015, 07:52:35 PM
HAHA...yes they definitely need that! Don't know why they don't extend it through 240 or at least to the state line

I could see a problem with long-distance motorists assuming that if you stay on I-22 past I-269 that you would have an interstate-grade facility all the way into Memphis, so that is a rationale for ending it at I-269. It could always be extended later if/when Lamar Avenue is upgraded to a freeway (which will cost mega $$$).

Were there ever plans to extend I-22 all the way to I-240 in DOWNTOWN Memphis (Near I-40) ?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on May 16, 2015, 09:46:08 PM
Were there ever plans to extend I-22 all the way to I-240 in DOWNTOWN Memphis (Near I-40) ?

No. In fact, TDOT has never planned to do anything with I-22 at all.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on May 16, 2015, 11:36:15 PM
Were there ever plans to extend I-22 all the way to I-240 in DOWNTOWN Memphis (Near I-40) ?

No. In fact, TDOT has never planned to do anything with I-22 at all.

Ok
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on May 17, 2015, 03:58:06 PM
So I guess the Future I-22 Corridor sign just south of the TN/MS State Line will go away?  :spin:

FWIW the Mississippi section of the Memphis Urban Area MPO's 2020 Horizon Year Table of Highway Projects in the Implementation Plan for the Long Range Transportation Plan (http://memphismpo.org/sites/default/files/public/Chapter_08%20%28Implementation%20Plan%29_Amended%2002.26.15.pdf) suggests that I-22 has been the expectation for US 78 in that neck of the woods (p. 22/57 of pdf; p. 8-20 of document):

(http://i.imgur.com/dYES8QV.png)

Maybe MDOT will toss them a bone and seek an I-x22 designation for US 78 from I-269 to either Goodman Road or the state line.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on May 21, 2015, 07:43:08 PM
Maybe MDOT will toss them a bone and seek an I-x22 designation for US 78 from I-269 to either Goodman Road or the state line.

I recently emailed MDOT and asked if they had considered seeking an I-x22 spur designation from I-269 toward the Tennessee state line. I was mildly surprised to find out that they have considered such a possibility, but (if I interpret the email correctly) that particular stretch of US 78 is not currently interstate-grade and they will not pursue the possibility at this time; however, it will remain as Future I-22:

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Thank you for your inquiry.  Yes, the application has been submitted to FHWA. And yes, I-22 and US 78 will run concurrently as you described from the I-269 Interchange to the Alabama State Line.  The stretch from the Tennessee State Line does not meet the requirements for an Interstate at this time so it will remain future I-22. We investigated the possibility of a spur route, but have decided not to pursue that for now.

With MDOT's current monetary challenges, I suspect that upgrading that section to interstate-grade would be a low priority.

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I also suspect that retaining the Future I-22 designation for that stretch will make it easy for MDOT to retain the current US 78 exit numbers and mile markers from I-269 to the Alabama state line.  Doing so would be similar to how TxDOT has determined the exit numbers for I-2 (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=9935.msg316300#msg316300).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: roadman65 on May 25, 2015, 09:09:02 PM
I do not think they need to worry about exit numbers if that is what they are.  Look at IL using I-270's exit numbers for I-70's system east of the I-55/ I-70 split.  I-70 travelers east of I-55 are going by mileage to the Mississippi River Crossing on I-270 and not its own either.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Avalanchez71 on May 26, 2015, 06:52:56 PM
Tennessee is fiscally fit and we do not deficit spend on highways.  We are at this time sort of a maintenance only state. 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Molandfreak on May 27, 2015, 02:01:49 AM
I-22 should replace I-555 if/when I-30/57 is extended. No reason to end it at a beltway south of somewhere when there's another freeway in it's trajectory.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: aboges26 on June 16, 2015, 02:06:02 AM
I-22 should replace I-555 if/when I-30/57 is extended. No reason to end it at a beltway south of somewhere when there's another freeway in it's trajectory.

Why not extend I-22 further still to Kansas City, maybe even Lincoln, Nebraska!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on June 16, 2015, 08:29:29 AM
I-22 should replace I-555 if/when I-30/57 is extended. No reason to end it at a beltway south of somewhere when there's another freeway in it's trajectory.

Why not extend I-22 further still to Kansas City, maybe even Lincoln, Nebraska!

Because that would make the freeway north south. Also the reason it ends at a beltway is because Tennesee doesn't want to extend I-22.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on June 16, 2015, 08:42:01 AM
Quote from: iBallasticwolf2
Also the reason it ends at a beltway is because Tennesee can't afford to rip up half of southeast Memphis along Lamar Blvd to extend I-22.

FTFY.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on June 16, 2015, 09:41:59 AM
Tennessee is fiscally fit and we do not deficit spend on highways.  We are at this time sort of a maintenance only state.

You guys are building I-269 tho.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: mvak36 on June 16, 2015, 09:47:34 AM
I-22 should replace I-555 if/when I-30/57 is extended. No reason to end it at a beltway south of somewhere when there's another freeway in it's trajectory.

Why not extend I-22 further still to Kansas City, maybe even Lincoln, Nebraska!

Maybe in the very, very, very distant future to KC.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on June 16, 2015, 12:22:36 PM
You guys are building I-269 tho.

Barely. Arguably the most important part of the I-69 system for the Memphis region (Memphis to north of Covington, straddling SIUs 8 and 9) is not really a priority.

That said, I-22 along the Lamar corridor is doable, even north of where the fully-controlled access eventually will end at Winchester. The trouble is the cost-benefit ratio, since most traffic on the US 78 corridor through that area is either local or its destination or origination point is along US 78 - a lot of the "through" Memphis-Birmingham interstate traffic already avoids the corridor. By distributing that traffic better on its way to and from the metropolitan area, I-269 is/will be actually probably a better terminus than I-240 would be, leaving the remaining US 78/TN 4 section as a local access route for the warehouse/distribution corridor.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on June 16, 2015, 01:04:35 PM
You guys are building I-269 tho.

Barely. Arguably the most important part of the I-69 system for the Memphis region (Memphis to north of Covington, straddling SIUs 8 and 9) is not really a priority.

That said, I-22 along the Lamar corridor is doable, even north of where the fully-controlled access eventually will end at Winchester. The trouble is the cost-benefit ratio, since most traffic on the US 78 corridor through that area is either local or its destination or origination point is along US 78 - a lot of the "through" Memphis-Birmingham interstate traffic already avoids the corridor. By distributing that traffic better on its way to and from the metropolitan area, I-269 is/will be actually probably a better terminus than I-240 would be, leaving the remaining US 78/TN 4 section as a local access route for the warehouse/distribution corridor.

True. But you still are building I-269 a little bit. I-69 in Tennesee will probably be finished by 2040.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Molandfreak on June 16, 2015, 01:27:49 PM
I'm not advocating building new freeways for the sake of extending I-22, I'm advocating that since I-22 is being built to serve a specific connection, it needs to be a complete connection, not a half-assed one like I-70 ending at the Baltimore Beltway. The best way to do that is to make it concurrent with other freeways until it meets the freeway completing it's trajectory, which is future I-555.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on June 16, 2015, 04:06:47 PM
I'm not advocating building new freeways for the sake of extending I-22, I'm advocating that since I-22 is being built to serve a specific connection, it needs to be a complete connection, not a half-assed one like I-70 ending at the Baltimore Beltway. The best way to do that is to make it concurrent with other freeways until it meets the freeway completing it's trajectory, which is future I-555.

I-22 should end at the I-55/I-69/I-269 junction. It wouldn't require building even more freeway than is already being built.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: hbelkins on June 16, 2015, 07:24:41 PM
I'm not advocating building new freeways for the sake of extending I-22, I'm advocating that since I-22 is being built to serve a specific connection, it needs to be a complete connection, not a half-assed one like I-70 ending at the Baltimore Beltway. The best way to do that is to make it concurrent with other freeways until it meets the freeway completing it's trajectory, which is future I-555.

That would require a new bridge. AFAIK there are no plans to build a new bridge between Memphis and Dyersburg.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rte66man on June 16, 2015, 10:40:00 PM
I'm not advocating building new freeways for the sake of extending I-22, I'm advocating that since I-22 is being built to serve a specific connection, it needs to be a complete connection, not a half-assed one like I-70 ending at the Baltimore Beltway. The best way to do that is to make it concurrent with other freeways until it meets the freeway completing it's trajectory, which is future I-555.

That would require a new bridge. AFAIK there are no plans to build a new bridge between Memphis and Dyersburg.

http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3523.0
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on June 21, 2015, 03:46:34 PM
Just some stray thoughts. I have come through the I-22/I-65 interchange the past two weekends. I see no one working. I see no sense of urgency. This fantasy ALDOT keeps putting on al.com for example about an August completion date is fantasy itself. I'm not sure this project is completed this time next year. I hope I'm wrong, but it seems this project is going nowhere fast.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on June 21, 2015, 08:38:10 PM
Just some stray thoughts. I have come through the I-22/I-65 interchange the past two weekends. I see no one working. I see no sense of urgency. This fantasy ALDOT keeps putting on al.com for example about an August completion date is fantasy itself. I'm not sure this project is completed this time next year. I hope I'm wrong, but it seems this project is going nowhere fast.

They haven't said August of which year.   :-D

This article was posted on al.com last week.  ALDOT is now giving off the impression that they're getting down to cases.  I don't necessarily believe it, either.

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/06/aldot_warns_of_major_delays_on.html
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on June 22, 2015, 03:36:12 PM
Good one.

I was hoping I would still be young enough to drive before this project was finished. Oh well, maybe my great-great grandchildren will live to see it finished.😠
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on June 23, 2015, 11:26:19 AM
Just some stray thoughts. I have come through the I-22/I-65 interchange the past two weekends. I see no one working. I see no sense of urgency. This fantasy ALDOT keeps putting on al.com for example about an August completion date is fantasy itself. I'm not sure this project is completed this time next year. I hope I'm wrong, but it seems this project is going nowhere fast.

Was it a Sunday? I've been through it several times in the past few weeks and I've seen more activity on it now then I ever have. This morning on the local news they announced delays on 65 because of work.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on June 23, 2015, 09:53:28 PM
Granted, it was on a Sunday the past two weekends I've been through. I just don't see much progress. Hey, I'll be the first to admit if I'm wrong, and be glad to. So I'm just asking this question, does anyone think they can be completely finished by the end of August?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on June 23, 2015, 10:28:29 PM
Granted, it was on a Sunday the past two weekends I've been through. I just don't see much progress. Hey, I'll be the first to admit if I'm wrong, and be glad to. So I'm just asking this question, does anyone think they can be completely finished by the end of August Of 2040?

FTFY
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on June 24, 2015, 12:58:05 PM
Granted, it was on a Sunday the past two weekends I've been through. I just don't see much progress. Hey, I'll be the first to admit if I'm wrong, and be glad to. So I'm just asking this question, does anyone think they can be completely finished by the end of August?

I believe it will be ready by the end of August. I don't really care to get in to what "completely finished" means or entails, so I'll leave that up to all to witty critics to joke about. I believe you'll be able to drive on it to and fro in all possible directions when they claim it will be ready.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on June 24, 2015, 10:58:03 PM
I drove through there Monday morning.  My guess is, it will be ready by October of this year.  I just don't see how they can get everything finished in 68 days (that would be 8/31/15).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Wayward Memphian on June 25, 2015, 11:35:59 AM
I-22 should replace I-555 if/when I-30/57 is extended. No reason to end it at a beltway south of somewhere when there's another freeway in it's trajectory.

Why not extend I-22 further still to Kansas City, maybe even Lincoln, Nebraska!

I would not do that. Instead, I would route a further westward 1-22 to Northwest Arkansas and then to Tulsa via US 63 and then US412. KC would be easily connected via travel on interstate quality US 65 through Springfield Mo, I-44 to Joplin where it would met I-49 or via I-49 in Northwest Arkansas. It is distinctly more east/west that way. This help promote a new Mississippi Bridge crossing athat would connect terminus of I 269/I 69 in Millington TN and the I-555  and I-55 intersection at Turrell AR.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on June 25, 2015, 12:34:34 PM
I-22 should replace I-555 if/when I-30/57 is extended. No reason to end it at a beltway south of somewhere when there's another freeway in it's trajectory.

Why not extend I-22 further still to Kansas City, maybe even Lincoln, Nebraska!

I would not do that. Instead, I would route a further westward 1-22 to Northwest Arkansas and then to Tulsa via US 63 and then US412. KC would be easily connected via travel on interstate quality US 65 through Springfield Mo, I-44 to Joplin where it would met I-49 or via I-49 in Northwest Arkansas. It is distinctly more east/west that way. This help promote a new Mississippi Bridge crossing athat would connect terminus of I 269/I 69 in Millington TN and the I-555  and I-55 intersection at Turrell AR.

If you did that you could use I-555 and the US 412 freeway/Cherokee turnpike. And actually you could further extend it to I-35 via the Sand Springs expressway/Cimarron turnpike.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Wayward Memphian on June 25, 2015, 01:53:50 PM
I-22 should replace I-555 if/when I-30/57 is extended. No reason to end it at a beltway south of somewhere when there's another freeway in it's trajectory.

Why not extend I-22 further still to Kansas City, maybe even Lincoln, Nebraska!

I would not do that. Instead, I would route a further westward 1-22 to Northwest Arkansas and then to Tulsa via US 63 and then US412. KC would be easily connected via travel on interstate quality US 65 through Springfield Mo, I-44 to Joplin where it would met I-49 or via I-49 in Northwest Arkansas. It is distinctly more east/west that way. This help promote a new Mississippi Bridge crossing that would connect terminus of I 269/I 69 in Millington TN and the I-555  and I-55 intersection at Turrell AR.

If you did that you could use I-555 and the US 412 freeway/Cherokee turnpike. And actually you could further extend it to I-35 via the Sand Springs expressway/Cimarron turnpike.

Yep, all the way to I-35.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on June 25, 2015, 04:05:43 PM
I-22 should replace I-555 if/when I-30/57 is extended. No reason to end it at a beltway south of somewhere when there's another freeway in it's trajectory.

Why not extend I-22 further still to Kansas City, maybe even Lincoln, Nebraska!

I would not do that. Instead, I would route a further westward 1-22 to Northwest Arkansas and then to Tulsa via US 63 and then US412. KC would be easily connected via travel on interstate quality US 65 through Springfield Mo, I-44 to Joplin where it would met I-49 or via I-49 in Northwest Arkansas. It is distinctly more east/west that way. This help promote a new Mississippi Bridge crossing that would connect terminus of I 269/I 69 in Millington TN and the I-555  and I-55 intersection at Turrell AR.

If you did that you could use I-555 and the US 412 freeway/Cherokee turnpike. And actually you could further extend it to I-35 via the Sand Springs expressway/Cimarron turnpike.

Yep, all the way to I-35.

That could make for a very worthwhile long-distance route serving Tusla.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Wayward Memphian on June 26, 2015, 11:22:24 AM
I-22 should replace I-555 if/when I-30/57 is extended. No reason to end it at a beltway south of somewhere when there's another freeway in it's trajectory.

Why not extend I-22 further still to Kansas City, maybe even Lincoln, Nebraska!

I would not do that. Instead, I would route a further westward 1-22 to Northwest Arkansas and then to Tulsa via US 63 and then US412. KC would be easily connected via travel on interstate quality US 65 through Springfield Mo, I-44 to Joplin where it would met I-49 or via I-49 in Northwest Arkansas. It is distinctly more east/west that way. This help promote a new Mississippi Bridge crossing that would connect terminus of I 269/I 69 in Millington TN and the I-555  and I-55 intersection at Turrell AR.

If you did that you could use I-555 and the US 412 freeway/Cherokee turnpike. And actually you could further extend it to I-35 via the Sand Springs expressway/Cimarron turnpike.

Yep, all the way to I-35.

That could make for a very worthwhile long-distance route serving Tusla.
Not only that, it would give NWA(a region projected to hit 800,000 to 1 million in the next 15 years) an east/west and north/south interstate. The thing about this extension of I-22 is that a lot of it is going to get done regardless over the years and there big portions of it in place or 4 lane divided that can be upgraded.  US 412 limited access bypass of Springdale AR is starting now. If It was designated as a future interstate route the proper easements would be put into focus for upgrading bypasses around cities like Harrison and Siloam Springs Arkansas that will be sure to happen in any event. The major obstacles will be the Ozark Mountain sections of  US 412.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on July 01, 2015, 10:36:49 PM
Granted, it was on a Sunday the past two weekends I've been through. I just don't see much progress. Hey, I'll be the first to admit if I'm wrong, and be glad to. So I'm just asking this question, does anyone think they can be completely finished by the end of August?

This June 29 TV video (http://www.abc3340.com/story/29437056/i-22-likely-completed-by-spring-2016) reports that ALDOT is saying that Interstate 22 in Alabama will not be completed until Spring 2016:

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ABC 33/40 has learned the completion of Interstate 22, Corridor X is slated for the spring of 2016.
The first layer of pavement is being put down from Coalburg Road toward Interstate 65. The paving project will connect the remaining stretch of I-22 to the I-65 interchange.
Right now, work on the interchange is expected to be completed at the end of August.
However, ALDOT has told ABC 33/40, Corridor X likely won't be completed until spring of 2016.
I-22 will connect Birmingham to Memphis once complete.

It is interesting that ALDOT contends that work on the interchange itself will be completed in August 2015.  If true, why did ALDOT wait so late to begin paving the section from Coalburg Road to the I-22/ I-65 interchange? Giving the contractor a sweetheart break? :hmm:
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on July 01, 2015, 11:33:21 PM
It could happen, with all the fines in place for failure to complete. I wouldn't be surprised if Archer and ALDOT work something out where the interchange is "functioning" but not "complete". It would open, but either not at 100% complete or at capacity.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on July 02, 2015, 12:54:13 PM
Well, without the paving, they won't have to open it, since there's nowhere to go. It is an interesting way to guarantee themselves a victory without accountability.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on July 03, 2015, 10:45:28 AM
OR, another possibility is that the tunnels that go to 31 won't be done until next year, but access to 22 to go to Memphis will be finished at the end of next month.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on July 03, 2015, 11:31:21 PM
I drove through there last week.  For the life of me I don't see how any part of the interchange could be open in August.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on July 06, 2015, 12:39:29 PM
How come Spring of 2016 doesn't surprise me????  They should say that we'll get done when we get done & leave it at that.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 07, 2015, 12:00:34 PM
How come Spring of 2016 doesn't surprise me????  They should say that we'll get done when we get done & leave it at that.

The contractor has to give schedule updates to ALDOT every so often. It may be the case to where there is a "media/upper management end date" where you give them a rosy picture and a "real end date." The real end date may keep slipping but the fantasy end date is the one that comes out of ALDOT until it is obvious they won't meet the deadline.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 07, 2015, 12:03:18 PM
OR, another possibility is that the tunnels that go to 31 won't be done until next year, but access to 22 to go to Memphis will be finished at the end of next month.

There isn't a contract in place to do the connection to US 31 yet. The current construction does the grade and drainage and bridges for it under I-65, and then it ends there.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 07, 2015, 12:06:33 PM
It is interesting that ALDOT contends that work on the interchange itself will be completed in August 2015.  If true, why did ALDOT wait so late to begin paving the section from Coalburg Road to the I-22/ I-65 interchange? Giving the contractor a sweetheart break? :hmm:

The paving from Coalburg Road to the I-65 interchange was let as a separate contract. It also includes signage not only from Coalburg Road to I-65, but also some signage changes from AL 5 east. I think the intent was for ALDOT to wait for the right time to let that project so that it would coincide with the completion of the I-22/65 interchange.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on July 09, 2015, 03:31:10 PM
This June 29 TV video (http://www.abc3340.com/story/29437056/i-22-likely-completed-by-spring-2016) reports that ALDOT is saying that Interstate 22 in Alabama will not be completed until Spring 2016 .... ALDOT contends that work on the interchange itself will be completed in August 2015.

This July 7 TV video (http://www.wvtm13.com/news/interstate-22-interstate-65-interchange-work-continues/34044738) reports that ALDOT "has given up" on August 2015 as a completion date for the interchange and that ALDOT is currently reviewing an interchange progress report from the contractor.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: DeaconG on July 09, 2015, 03:50:19 PM
Looks like Spring 2016 after all...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on July 09, 2015, 09:53:45 PM
Looks like Spring 2016 after all...

Or when hell freezes over, whichever comes first.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on July 09, 2015, 11:11:41 PM
Looks like Spring 2016 after all...

Or when hell freezes over, whichever comes first.

I vote for when hell freezes over. Or pigs fly, or when foxes speak.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on July 11, 2015, 12:38:10 AM
Well, you can't have a functioning interchange without pavement leading to it, so that's that.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on July 18, 2015, 05:50:19 PM
Everyone watch going through the construction zone of 22-65 interchange. Traffic is suppose to be down to one lane through weekend due to paving on 65. If your going through, allow for extra time. And watch for troopers.😀
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on July 25, 2015, 09:34:49 PM
Drove through the construction area yesterday.  I'm going to amend my prediction of "when hell freezes over".  My new prediction: after the Second Coming.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on August 03, 2015, 06:05:42 PM
Flew over the area on business last Friday heading back to Little Rock.  I didn't see the interchange, but there is obviously no work going on to pave or prep the road bed from Coalburg road to the interchange.  I'll get to see it again in a few weeks on another trip.  If I'm seated on a window, I'll take a look. 

Hell freezes over is about right for timing.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: TravelingBethelite on August 03, 2015, 07:21:11 PM
I'm not sure if anyone has said this before, but in the 2016 RmcN atlas, all of US 78 west of Birmingham is now displayed as I-22  :colorful:
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on August 04, 2015, 08:31:17 AM
Here is an al.com article (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/08/road_work_this_week_along_i-65.html) that has some updated construction pictures from the I-22/65 interchange from July 24th.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on August 17, 2015, 05:57:03 PM
ALDOT has begun wholesale replacing US 78 shields with I-22 shields along intersecting roads in Walker County.

(http://i.imgur.com/WltetTc.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: RoadWarrior56 on August 17, 2015, 06:49:24 PM
The above photo of the I-22 trailblazer brings back memories of my childhood.  Back in the 60's seeing Interstate trailblazers with black and white directional signs and cardinal directions was very common, no so much today.  In this case, there was obviously a US 78 sign at this location until recently.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: cjk374 on August 17, 2015, 09:25:43 PM
The above photo of the I-22 trailblazer brings back memories of my childhood.  Back in the 60's seeing Interstate trailblazers with black and white directional signs and cardinal directions was very common, no so much today.  In this case, there was obviously a US 78 sign at this location until recently.

I remember that as well. I even remember the TO banner being almost as long as the JCT banner.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: golden eagle on August 17, 2015, 11:32:14 PM
I'm not sure if anyone has said this before, but in the 2016 RmcN atlas, all of US 78 west of Birmingham is now displayed as I-22  :colorful:

The same atlas also shows I-269 as a completed interstate in the Memphis metro area.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on August 18, 2015, 08:45:13 AM
I'm not sure if anyone has said this before, but in the 2016 RmcN atlas, all of US 78 west of Birmingham is now displayed as I-22  :colorful:

The same atlas also shows I-269 as a completed interstate in the Memphis metro area.
My 2016 Rand shows it too.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Henry on August 18, 2015, 12:16:48 PM
Since I-22 is still not marked in MS at this point, I think it will not be done until I-269 is actually completed to where they meet?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on August 19, 2015, 12:06:23 PM
Mississippi already got the Toyota plant; thus they're in no hurry to impress people with the shields too.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on August 27, 2015, 08:52:26 PM
Here is an al.com article (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/08/road_work_this_week_along_i-65.html) that has some updated construction pictures from the I-22/65 interchange from July 24th.

This August 20 al.com article (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/08/i-22_interchange_construction_4.html) has some recent photos of the interchange construction as well as photos from the I-22 Coalburg Road-to-I-65 interchange paving project.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: golden eagle on September 01, 2015, 03:17:22 PM
Since I-22 is still not marked in MS at this point, I think it will not be done until I-269 is actually completed to where they meet?

They could, at least, mark it from US 45 eastward, since 45 is a limited-access freeway.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on September 01, 2015, 09:36:59 PM
Assuming the shoulders along that segment have been paved.  I admit it's been several years since I was last on US 78, but a big stumbling block to signing US 78 in Mississippi as I-22 (besides lack of connections in Memphis and the segment through New Albany) was the shoulders...with about half the shoulders at the time being substandard.  I've heard MDOT has been working to remedy this, but I don't know the status.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on September 02, 2015, 12:09:29 PM
Assuming the shoulders along that segment have been paved.  I admit it's been several years since I was last on US 78, but a big stumbling block to signing US 78 in Mississippi as I-22 (besides lack of connections in Memphis and the segment through New Albany) was the shoulders...with about half the shoulders at the time being substandard.  I've heard MDOT has been working to remedy this, but I don't know the status.

I think all the shoulder work is done now, as is the reconstruction through New Albany (although the 60 mph speed limit remained as of May).

I suppose the other open question is whether FHWA will want the exit numbers changed.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on September 02, 2015, 12:47:02 PM
I suppose the other open question is whether FHWA will want the exit numbers changed.

Since the section of US 78 from I-269 to the Tennessee state line is part of the Congressionally defined HPC 45/ Future I-22 (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/high_priority_corridors/hpcor.cfm#l45), FHWA has more than enough cover to use common sense and keep the exit numbers as they are under the colorable theory that I-22 will one day in the far future extend to the state line.  Doing so would be similar to the exit numbers for I-2 being based on a future I-2 connection with I-35 at the US 83/ I-35 intersection location in Laredo (which will probably never happen, either).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on September 04, 2015, 06:59:08 PM
Since I-22 is still not marked in MS at this point, I think it will not be done until I-269 is actually completed to where they meet?
They could, at least, mark it from US 45 eastward, since 45 is a limited-access freeway.
This TV video (http://www.localmemphis.com/news/local-news/mississippi-officials-tour-new-interstate) reports on a school bus tour of I-269 construction by Mississippi dignitaries, projects an opening to traffic for the MS-TN connection section "by the end of this year", and projects that the "total project should be completed by the fall of 2018" ....
I'm a little disappointed, but not surprised, that completion of the entire project has been pushed back from 2017 to fall of 2018.  At least another three years .....  :-(
(bottom quote from Interstate 269 (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1329.msg2091287#msg2091287) thread)

If MDOT does not mark I-22 from US 45 eastward, then it looks like it could be at least three years before we see I-22 signage in Mississippi.  :-/

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Or, possibly 2.5 years if the I-55 to I-22 section of I-269 opens in the neighborhood of January 2018 (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1329.msg2091313#msg2091313).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Henry on September 09, 2015, 11:19:17 AM
I could live with that. Then again, it would be better to end I-22 at I-269 than try to extend it up the (upgraded) Lamar Avenue corridor.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on October 01, 2015, 09:17:45 AM
OK...it's October...time to see when the I-65 / I-22 interchange will be done!  I still think Spring of 2016 despite the AL DOT reports to the otherwise.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on October 01, 2015, 09:20:34 AM
These days it seems like work is moving along quite well. Realistically, I think Spring 2016 will be the opening date. That would happen to coincide with the paving on I-22 between Coalburg Road and I-65.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on October 14, 2015, 10:44:51 AM
Since I-22 is still not marked in MS at this point, I think it will not be done until I-269 is actually completed to where they meet?

This MDOT News Release (http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Public%20Affairs/Lists/News%20Releases/Item/displayifs.aspx?List=ae1b236c%2D924d%2D498c%2Db14e%2Daafec6dc2864&ID=1669&Source=http%3A%2F%2Fspgomdot%2FPublic%2520Affairs%2FPages%2FNews%2DReleases%2Easpx&ContentTypeId=0x010087606675CA7A95408B80E8BFBB944273&IsDlg=2) announces that there will be an Interstate 22 signage ceremony in New Albany on October 23:

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The Mississippi Department of Transportation (MDOT) is pleased to announce that a signage ceremony for Interstate 22 has been scheduled for Friday, October 23 at 10:30 a.m. in New Albany, MS. The signage ceremony will take place at the BNA Park (Tennis and Soccer Complex) located at 216 West Bankhead Street in New Albany.
In attendance for the signage ceremony will be Transportation Commissioner Mike Tagert and U.S. Senator Roger F. Wicker.
U.S. 78 was congressionally designated as a future interstate corridor and will connect to Interstate 269 in Mississippi once construction is complete. MDOT’s application to change U.S. 78 to Interstate 22 has been sent to the U.S. Department of Transportation and the Federal Highway Administration for final approval.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on October 14, 2015, 11:01:28 AM
Since I-22 is still not marked in MS at this point, I think it will not be done until I-269 is actually completed to where they meet?

This MDOT News Release (http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Public%20Affairs/Lists/News%20Releases/Item/displayifs.aspx?List=ae1b236c%2D924d%2D498c%2Db14e%2Daafec6dc2864&ID=1669&Source=http%3A%2F%2Fspgomdot%2FPublic%2520Affairs%2FPages%2FNews%2DReleases%2Easpx&ContentTypeId=0x010087606675CA7A95408B80E8BFBB944273&IsDlg=2) announces that there will be an Interstate 22 signage ceremony in New Albany on October 23:

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The Mississippi Department of Transportation (MDOT) is pleased to announce that a signage ceremony for Interstate 22 has been scheduled for Friday, October 23 at 10:30 a.m. in New Albany, MS. The signage ceremony will take place at the BNA Park (Tennis and Soccer Complex) located at 216 West Bankhead Street in New Albany.
In attendance for the signage ceremony will be Transportation Commissioner Mike Tagert and U.S. Senator Roger F. Wicker.
U.S. 78 was congressionally designated as a future interstate corridor and will connect to Interstate 269 in Mississippi once construction is complete. MDOT’s application to change U.S. 78 to Interstate 22 has been sent to the U.S. Department of Transportation and the Federal Highway Administration for final approval.

The above link doesn't work for me (maybe because I am at work), but here is another one. (http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Public%20Affairs/Lists/News%20Releases/Item/displayifs.aspx?List=ae1b236c-924d-498c-b14e-aafec6dc2864&ID=1669&Source=http%3A%2F%2Fspgomdot%2FPublic%2520Affairs%2FPages%2FNews-Releases%2Easpx&ContentTypeId=0x010087606675CA7A95408B80E8BFBB944273&IsDlg=2)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on October 16, 2015, 07:47:56 AM
This MDOT News Release (http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Public%20Affairs/Lists/News%20Releases/Item/displayifs.aspx?List=ae1b236c%2D924d%2D498c%2Db14e%2Daafec6dc2864&ID=1669&Source=http%3A%2F%2Fspgomdot%2FPublic%2520Affairs%2FPages%2FNews%2DReleases%2Easpx&ContentTypeId=0x010087606675CA7A95408B80E8BFBB944273&IsDlg=2) announces that there will be an Interstate 22 signage ceremony in New Albany on October 23:
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The Mississippi Department of Transportation (MDOT) is pleased to announce that a signage ceremony for Interstate 22 has been scheduled for Friday, October 23 at 10:30 a.m. in New Albany, MS.
The above link doesn't work for me (maybe because I am at work), but here is another one. (http://sp.mdot.ms.gov/Public%20Affairs/Lists/News%20Releases/Item/displayifs.aspx?List=ae1b236c-924d-498c-b14e-aafec6dc2864&ID=1669&Source=http%3A%2F%2Fspgomdot%2FPublic%2520Affairs%2FPages%2FNews-Releases%2Easpx&ContentTypeId=0x010087606675CA7A95408B80E8BFBB944273&IsDlg=2)

This article (http://newalbanygazette.com/2015/10/16/interstate-i-22-to-be-formally-designated-in-ceremony-oct-23-here/) reports that covered I-22 shields have been installed in the New Albany area, that a final decision has not been made regarding the US 78 designation, and that MDOT "will quite possibly need" to renumber the exits:

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.... “New” Hwy. 78 replaced “old” Hwy. 78, now designated 178, and tied to the Bankhead Highway system. And that road replaced “old, old” 78, which in Union County is now CR 478 to the west and 278 to the east ....
New I-22 signs were erected on the highway through New Albany this past week, but are covered awaiting the official designation ceremony.
Although Hwy. 78 has been upgraded to interstate standards, officials will have to decide whether to decommission the Hwy. 78 designation, transfer it to “old” 78 or let Hwy. 78 and I-22 simply coincide.
And because I-22 will connect with the I-269 corridor in Marshall County, about 12 miles from the Tennessee state line, rather than going to the state line as Hwy. 78 does, the highway department will quite possibly need to renumber all the exits on I-22 to follow accepted standards.

Here is a snip of a photo from the article:

(http://i.imgur.com/FxdSPcV.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on October 16, 2015, 08:12:10 AM
I'm glad that they are at least signing US 78 along with I-22 (at least in that picture). I also hope that US 78 is transferred onto the old alignment, but I have my doubts about that. If that is the case, then maybe that will be enough of a precedent to transfer US 78 back to the old alignment in Alabama as well.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on October 16, 2015, 11:29:40 AM
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I also hope that US 78 is transferred onto the old alignment, but I have my doubts about that.

If AASHTO follows its own policy, it won't be.  If MDOT signs it anyway, they'd be in violation of AASHTO policy.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: SteveG1988 on October 16, 2015, 03:27:35 PM
US78 is still marked on pullthroughs in AL.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: The Ghostbuster on October 16, 2015, 06:16:00 PM
Once Interstate 22 is fully signed, does anyone think the US 78 designation will be truncated to Birmingham or some other point?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on October 16, 2015, 09:01:17 PM
^ That is what I think will eventually happen, but then what happens to the rest of US 78 west of I-269? Or the portion in TN?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on October 16, 2015, 09:42:12 PM
^ That is what I think will eventually happen, but then what happens to the rest of US 78 west of I-269? Or the portion in TN?

The TN portion could just become TN 4 and TN 278. The MS portion could be MS 78 since Mississippi generally doesn't duplicate numbers.

Then again, if they can leave the existing exit numbers in place by keeping US 78 cosigned, they'll probably do that - at this point I think renumbering the exits is silly and there are ample excuses not to. People are used to the Highway 78 designation after all. MS 6 remains posted along much of US 278 despite being mostly redundant for over a decade now.

And US 78 isn't going back on the old alignment, since it's physically discontinuous in one place (Fulton) and MS 178 has designation gaps in at least two others (Tupelo and Holly Springs), along with the fact there's no simple way to get it onto the freeway between I-269 and the state line since there's no MS 178/I-269 interchange and MS 309 through Byhalia is woefully substandard.

In the realm of fantasy, I've always thought US 78 either replacing US 278 west of Guin (rerouting + truncating US 278 at I-22 west of Hamilton) or running it west along the MS 8 corridor would make more sense, but major reroutings of US routes aren't that common in the south.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Grzrd on October 23, 2015, 04:27:26 PM
Once Interstate 22 is fully signed, does anyone think the US 78 designation will be truncated to Birmingham or some other point?
^ That is what I think will eventually happen, but then what happens to the rest of US 78 west of I-269? Or the portion in TN?
The TN portion could just become TN 4 and TN 278. The MS portion could be MS 78 since Mississippi generally doesn't duplicate numbers.

This article about today's I-22 unveiling (http://www.wtva.com/news/Highway_78_officially_converted_to_Interstate_22.html) reports that the US 78 shields will come down in a few months, but it does not address the future designation of US 78 from I-269 into Tennessee:

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After years of amendments and lobbying in Jackson and Washington, D.C., Highway 78 is no longer a highway. On Friday, leaders officially designated the 200 plus mile road as Interstate 22 at a ceremony in New Albany ....
The old Highway 78 signs will stay up for a few months until satellite companies and people update their maps with the I-22 designation.

Here is a snip from an article photo of an I-22 shield cosigned with a US 78 shield:

(http://i.imgur.com/lV96z5D.png)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: noelbotevera on October 23, 2015, 07:11:02 PM
Once Interstate 22 is fully signed, does anyone think the US 78 designation will be truncated to Birmingham or some other point?
^ That is what I think will eventually happen, but then what happens to the rest of US 78 west of I-269? Or the portion in TN?
The TN portion could just become TN 4 and TN 278. The MS portion could be MS 78 since Mississippi generally doesn't duplicate numbers.

This article about today's I-22 unveiling (http://www.wtva.com/news/Highway_78_officially_converted_to_Interstate_22.html) reports that the US 78 shields will come down in a few months, but it does not address the future designation of US 78 from I-269 into Tennessee:

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After years of amendments and lobbying in Jackson and Washington, D.C., Highway 78 is no longer a highway. On Friday, leaders officially designated the 200 plus mile road as Interstate 22 at a ceremony in New Albany ....
The old Highway 78 signs will stay up for a few months until satellite companies and people update their maps with the I-22 designation.

Here is a snip from an article photo of an I-22 shield cosigned with a US 78 shield:

(http://i.imgur.com/lV96z5D.png)
So US 78 bites the dust?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on October 23, 2015, 07:18:33 PM
Once Interstate 22 is fully signed, does anyone think the US 78 designation will be truncated to Birmingham or some other point?
^ That is what I think will eventually happen, but then what happens to the rest of US 78 west of I-269? Or the portion in TN?
The TN portion could just become TN 4 and TN 278. The MS portion could be MS 78 since Mississippi generally doesn't duplicate numbers.

This article about today's I-22 unveiling (http://www.wtva.com/news/Highway_78_officially_converted_to_Interstate_22.html) reports that the US 78 shields will come down in a few months, but it does not address the future designation of US 78 from I-269 into Tennessee:

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After years of amendments and lobbying in Jackson and Washington, D.C., Highway 78 is no longer a highway. On Friday, leaders officially designated the 200 plus mile road as Interstate 22 at a ceremony in New Albany ....
The old Highway 78 signs will stay up for a few months until satellite companies and people update their maps with the I-22 designation.

Here is a snip from an article photo of an I-22 shield cosigned with a US 78 shield:

(http://i.imgur.com/lV96z5D.png)
So US 78 bites the dust?
Another one bites the dust
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on October 23, 2015, 09:15:54 PM
Unless MsDOT returns US 78 to what is now MS-178, why should it exist?  Same thing in Alabama.  Unless 78 is returned to AL-118 and AL-5, it might as well be truncated in downtown Birmingham, either at the junction with US-11 or with US-31/280.

I'm not a fan of truncating US routes that have been supplanted by interstate routes, but as it stands now, US 78 between Memphis and Birmingham is just about useless.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: WashuOtaku on October 24, 2015, 01:01:23 PM
Until it is formally removed by the AASHTO, I guess it becomes a hidden route and will simply reappear at I-22 terminus before Tennessee. 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on October 25, 2015, 02:02:27 AM
If they decommission US 78, just wait until I-22 is completed to I-65. Or, just let it co-exist to Memphis. What's the harm, and offers clarity to travelers past I-269. It's not like Tennessee's ever had a problem multiplexing anything before. I could see the rational if I-22 was completed or followed US 78 entirely, but doesn't and never will.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: WashuOtaku on October 25, 2015, 07:14:31 PM
If they decommission US 78, just wait until I-22 is completed to I-65. Or, just let it co-exist to Memphis. What's the harm, and offers clarity to travelers past I-269. It's not like Tennessee's ever had a problem multiplexing anything before. I could see the rational if I-22 was completed or followed US 78 entirely, but doesn't and never will.

US 78 in Tennessee is an expressway with at grade intersections, not anywhere near interstate standards.  Thus cannot go concurrently into Memphis.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on October 25, 2015, 10:12:11 PM
I-22 will end at I-269. Let US 78 run concurrent with I-22 to I-269. Then let US 78 continue as it is past I-269 into Memphis as US 78. Other states have adopted this. Ohio and Tennessee readily come to mind.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: noelbotevera on October 25, 2015, 10:40:02 PM
I-22 will end at I-269. Let US 78 run concurrent with I-22 to I-269. Then let US 78 continue as it is past I-269 into Memphis as US 78. Other states have adopted this. Ohio and Tennessee readily come to mind.
Truncate US 78 to I-65 or US 31. US 278 can take its place, or become TN 78.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: The Ghostbuster on October 26, 2015, 02:11:35 PM
US 278 goes to western Arkansas, so I don't think that's an option. I'd have Interstate 22 go all the way to the end of the freeway at the state line if I had my way.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on October 26, 2015, 05:15:25 PM
Me too.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: noelbotevera on October 26, 2015, 07:43:27 PM
US 278 goes to western Arkansas, so I don't think that's an option. I'd have Interstate 22 go all the way to the end of the freeway at the state line if I had my way.
What I mean is that US 278 still goes to its same terminus, it will just be moved to cover US 78's routing in Tennessee.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on October 26, 2015, 11:13:43 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I fail to understand the logic and obsession in truncating perfectly useful US routes. Just because a Interstate shield is installed. I-22 does not go to Memphis. US 78 does. I-22 will end at I-269, or possibly loop around and terminate at I-55/69. If I-22 were to continue along US 78(which isn't going to happen for quite sometime, if at all), I could see the point. Locals know it as Hwy.78. And it continues into Memphis. All changing numbers does is offer a source of confusion. Leaving it does not.This case, a waste of money. If Georgia and South Carolina felt that way, US 78 would have been long gone.If it ain't broke, don't fix it. But, that's just me.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: SteveG1988 on October 26, 2015, 11:29:22 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I fail to understand the logic and obsession in truncating perfectly useful US routes. Just because a Interstate shield is installed. I-22 does not go to Memphis. US 78 does. I-22 will end at I-269, or possibly loop around and terminate at I-55/69. If I-22 were to continue along US 78(which isn't going to happen for quite sometime, if at all), I could see the point. Locals know it as Hwy.78. And it continues into Memphis. All changing numbers does is offer a source of confusion. Leaving it does not.This case, a waste of money. If Georgia and South Carolina felt that way, US 78 would have been long gone.If it ain't broke, don't fix it. But, that's just me.

Well, why isn't US66 around, US66 was removed due to the interstate highway system replacing it entirely.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on October 27, 2015, 12:34:24 AM
Having just driven I-40 from OK to AZ, I can tell you communities are realizing it was a huge mistake, and could have been handled differently. A mistake from the past, different day and time. Yeah, US 66 was decommissioned, but at least OK, TX, NM and AZ are trying to bring it back in some form as is CA. Also, kind of "apples to oranges" as US 66 was replaced in it's entirety by Interstate hwy, whereas US 78 has not. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on October 27, 2015, 08:27:39 AM
As of this weekend, there aren't any I-22 shields between Fulton and Tupelo or between Byhalia and Olive Branch.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: SteveG1988 on October 27, 2015, 10:53:43 AM
It is kind of funny if you think about it.

Interstate 22 and US 78 are extremely similar with US 22 and Interstate 78.... a interstate replacing large swaths of the original road, being overlaid right on it at points. Lengths are similar, I22 is longer than I78, US22 is longer than US 78 but it is within 200 miles.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Henry on October 27, 2015, 12:27:34 PM
It is kind of funny if you think about it.

Interstate 22 and US 78 are extremely similar with US 22 and Interstate 78.... a interstate replacing large swaths of the original road, being overlaid right on it at points. Lengths are similar, I22 is longer than I78, US22 is longer than US 78 but it is within 200 miles.
That's a neat coincidence indeed, and both 22 and 78 add up to 100.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: triplemultiplex on October 27, 2015, 03:34:14 PM
Well if both US and Interstate highways made a perfect grid, their opposite numbering would always create a sum of 100 in the same corridor.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on October 29, 2015, 03:28:37 PM
Unless MsDOT returns US 78 to what is now MS-178, why should it exist?  Same thing in Alabama.  Unless 78 is returned to AL-118 and AL-5, it might as well be truncated in downtown Birmingham, either at the junction with US-11 or with US-31/280.

I'm not a fan of truncating US routes that have been supplanted by interstate routes, but as it stands now, US 78 between Memphis and Birmingham is just about useless.

Some people aren't as in to this as the people on this board. If all they did was add the signs, there'd be people out there who would suspect that is ALL they did. The general public needs to see something new and improved replace something old for it to have been worth all the construction and money spent. Plus, the route has changed in some ways, so it is indeed a new route worthy of a new name even if it does the same job as the old one.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: SteveG1988 on October 29, 2015, 07:59:42 PM
US78 inside memphis: Business 22.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on October 30, 2015, 09:01:00 AM
Anyone have any updates on the I-22 / I-65 interchange or Coalburg Road paving?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on October 30, 2015, 12:37:46 PM
Anyone have any updates on the I-22 / I-65 interchange or Coalburg Road paving?

In regards to Coalburg Road, it was 5 lanes from Daniel Payne Drive to I-22 when I was out there in July. 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: WashuOtaku on October 30, 2015, 06:08:12 PM
US78 inside memphis: Business 22.

Let's pretend you didn't say that.   :-/
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: MikeTheActuary on October 30, 2015, 10:16:22 PM
US78 inside memphis: Business 22.

SPR 4
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: US 41 on October 31, 2015, 10:36:07 AM
I think Mississippi should just reroute US 78 back onto its old alignment (MS 178) west of Fulton and have I-22 end at the TN/MS border.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on October 31, 2015, 12:31:27 PM
Approving that would be in direct violation of AASHTO's own US route policies.  Specifically:

4. No additional road shall be added to the U.S. numbered road system, and no existing U.S. road shall be extended except where there is a definite showing of an adequately improved highway carrying an established and necessary line of interstate traffic not otherwise provided for by existing U.S. routes and for which traffic adequate service cannot be provided by State route numbers.

And if the businesses along MS 178 push it:

10.  Any proposal that would exploit the prestige of the U.S. numbered highway system to direct traffic over routes that are not the shortest and best available between major control points on the system, especially when it appears to be for the purpose of benefiting businesses located along such a proposed route, shall constitute reason for denying any application to make such an addition to the system.

There's also this (MS 178 is not up to standard):

14. No route should be considered for i nclusion in the U.S. numbered system that does not substantially meet the current AASHTO design standards.

Now, had MDOT kept US 78 on its original alignment while they built the CorridorX freeway, they'd be allowed to keep it there.  But the moment they rerouted US 78 along the new Corridor X, it ended (from a policy perspective) any possibility of putting it back.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: US 41 on October 31, 2015, 12:56:33 PM
Approving that would be in direct violation of AASHTO's own US route policies.  Specifically:

4. No additional road shall be added to the U.S. numbered road system, and no existing U.S. road shall be extended except where there is a definite showing of an adequately improved highway carrying an established and necessary line of interstate traffic not otherwise provided for by existing U.S. routes and for which traffic adequate service cannot be provided by State route numbers.

And if the businesses along MS 178 push it:

10.  Any proposal that would exploit the prestige of the U.S. numbered highway system to direct traffic over routes that are not the shortest and best available between major control points on the system, especially when it appears to be for the purpose of benefiting businesses located along such a proposed route, shall constitute reason for denying any application to make such an addition to the system.

There's also this (MS 178 is not up to standard):

14. No route should be considered for i nclusion in the U.S. numbered system that does not substantially meet the current AASHTO design standards.

Now, had MDOT kept US 78 on its original alignment while they built the CorridorX freeway, they'd be allowed to keep it there.  But the moment they rerouted US 78 along the new Corridor X, it ended (from a policy perspective) any possibility of putting it back.

Just out of curiosity, what would happen if Mississippi did it anyways?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on October 31, 2015, 01:18:03 PM
Ala NC (117) or OK (377)?  Not much.  It's all in good faith, but in being a part of AASHTO, the state DOTs make the faith commitment to follow the decisions made.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on November 02, 2015, 08:11:26 AM
Anyone have any updates on the I-22 / I-65 interchange or Coalburg Road paving?

Here are some updated pictures (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/10/lane_closures_planned_for_i-65_1.html) from the I-22/65 construction. It actually looks like they are getting closer each day.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on November 02, 2015, 08:14:37 AM
Maybe Arkansas will petition an extension of US 78 through some county seats that don't have access to a US route so that US 78 won't be decommissioned.  :spin:
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on November 02, 2015, 08:16:18 AM
Updates on the I-22 signage in Mississippi: I-22 shields have been posted on the mainline between Fulton and Tupelo. US 78 is also posted along with I-22. The BGS signs at the US 45/I-22 interchange have US 78 greened out and replaced with I-22 shields, with no mention of US 78.

EDIT: Here is a picture of one of the sign assemblies.

(http://i.imgur.com/WkXeMAz.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: mvak36 on November 02, 2015, 03:00:31 PM
Anyone have any updates on the I-22 / I-65 interchange or Coalburg Road paving?

Here are some updated pictures (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/10/lane_closures_planned_for_i-65_1.html) from the I-22/65 construction. It actually looks like they are getting closer each day.

When is the 22/65 interchange supposed to be completed? I tried looking online and couldn't find an end date for that project?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on November 02, 2015, 03:04:27 PM
I think the completion date was supposed to be late this year, but that probably won't happen. Even if it did, the paving work from Coalburg Road to I-65 is a separate project and it won't wrap up until spring.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: mvak36 on November 02, 2015, 03:09:18 PM
Thanks. I guess if they're still installing bridge girders, then the project won't be done till at least next spring.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Georgia on November 02, 2015, 05:38:53 PM
I haven't been that way in a month, but they need to progress on the 22E to 65S bridge to make me feel good about this interchange being done sometime before 2020.  Coalburg Road is great to drive on; now if only they would re-pave Daniel Payne, ALDOT would really have something.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Henry on November 04, 2015, 10:41:15 AM
Updates on the I-22 signage in Mississippi: I-22 shields have been posted on the mainline between Fulton and Tupelo. US 78 is also posted along with I-22. The BGS signs at the US 45/I-22 interchange have US 78 greened out and replaced with I-22 shields, with no mention of US 78.

EDIT: Here is a picture of one of the sign assemblies.

(http://i.imgur.com/WkXeMAz.jpg)
Well, at least that's a start.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on November 23, 2015, 11:15:52 PM
Just FYI, as of today I-22 shields are posted consistently westbound in reassurance markers from the Alabama state line to at least exit 18. The pull through on the C/D road at the Toyota plant has also been patched, and I-22 is marked on the BGS at the loop ramp from US 45 north to I-22 west. Meanwhile, Alabama still hasn't fixed the pull-throughs westbound at AL 118 west and eastbound at AL 118 east.

Also the 60 mph zone through New Albany is finally no more.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on December 01, 2015, 10:07:15 AM
Made my annual trek down 78 / I22 last week.  I love the new Coalburg road.  very nice!  From the Coalburg road overpass you can see some base layer paving ongoing.  i hope this is completed soon.  Looks as if ADOT will need to resurface some other areas of I22 in the near future however.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Wayward Memphian on December 07, 2015, 07:41:58 AM
Maybe Arkansas will petition an extension of US 78 through some county seats that don't have access to a US route so that US 78 won't be decommissioned.  :spin:
Arkansas needs to push for I-22 being extended across Arkansas using a combination of   

Fully upgrade Lamar in Memphis

Build a connector complete with new bridge from uS63/I-55 interchange to,Millington Tenn to Future I-65

Use use a combination of US 63 and US 412 to extend I-22 to Siloam Springs

And... if Oklahoma wants to extend it to I-35 or even Enid they can upgrade US412 as well.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on December 07, 2015, 08:00:42 AM
Extending either I-22 or I-269 across the Mississippi into Arkansas and then terminating at I-40 around the US 79 interchange could bode well for traffic around Memphis.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: The Ghostbuster on December 08, 2015, 03:57:27 PM
I'm not an administrator, but fictional things, such as extensions, belong in Fictional Highways.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: tidecat on December 08, 2015, 10:58:22 PM
From Alabama's ABC 33/40:


http://abc3340.com/news/local/when-will-i-22-be-completed-exclusive-look-at-work-taking-place
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Wayward Memphian on December 09, 2015, 10:20:14 AM
Extending either I-22 or I-269 across the Mississippi into Arkansas and then terminating at I-40 around the US 79 interchange could bode well for traffic around Memphis.

The casinos would sure love it.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on December 09, 2015, 12:58:26 PM
I'm not an administrator, but fictional things, such as extensions, belong in Fictional Highways.

I-22 feels "fictional" to some degree with all of the delays.  Once the I-65 interchange is finished, will they be able to sign the entire section since there is no interstate termination on the Western end?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on December 09, 2015, 01:20:18 PM
I'm not an administrator, but fictional things, such as extensions, belong in Fictional Highways.

I-22 feels "fictional" to some degree with all of the delays.  Once the I-65 interchange is finished, will they be able to sign the entire section since there is no interstate termination on the Western end?

It is already signed along its entire length.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: The Ghostbuster on December 09, 2015, 02:33:24 PM
I stand by my comment. Any talk of Interstate 22 being extended in any direction should be place in Fictional Highways.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: TrevorB on December 09, 2015, 04:41:02 PM
I don't know if it would make much sense to make an entirely new thread for a minor comment about a possible (and eventually, not completely out of the question) extension. As a moderator on many other forums I wouldn't have a problem with it if it was me. I think the thread being derailed is more of a problem ;).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: SteveG1988 on December 09, 2015, 07:16:54 PM
Right now the hypothetical part is fictional, will it or will it not be 78 for the future. Will it or will it not end at 269, etc. All of this can change on a moment's notice, like i-295 in NJ instead of 195 being extended.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: golden eagle on December 20, 2015, 01:19:09 PM
Maybe this question was already asked and I'm too lazy to look, but has it been determined what control cities Alabama and Mississippi will use on I-22? At the western terminus, I could see Mississippi using both Tupelo and Birmingham, like the way I-55 uses Grenada/Memphis and McComb/New Orleans. However, I believe Alabama will only use Memphis.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on December 20, 2015, 07:55:07 PM
Maybe this question was already asked and I'm too lazy to look, but has it been determined what control cities Alabama and Mississippi will use on I-22? At the western terminus, I could see Mississippi using both Tupelo and Birmingham, like the way I-55 uses Grenada/Memphis and McComb/New Orleans. However, I believe Alabama will only use Memphis.
Currently Tupelo is used on overhead pull-through signs from Jasper west in AL. Jasper is used as the control city for traffic entering at Coalburg Rd.

Eastbound the only city used on overheads is Birmingham, both in Mississippi (at MS 25 south) and Alabama.

There are covered signs already installed at the I-65 interchange; my assumption is that, like existing US 78 signs from the interstates in Birmingham, Memphis is the control city ALDOT has used.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tomahawkin on December 20, 2015, 09:09:59 PM
I have to go through there this week. They need more Truck Stops on 22 outside of Birmingham. The one off of Daniel Payne Blvd on the temp. Access to I22 is hell to get in and out of. Plus there are no food options....
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on December 20, 2015, 09:32:32 PM
I have to go through there this week. They need more Truck Stops on 22 outside of Birmingham. The one off of Daniel Payne Blvd on the temp. Access to I22 is hell to get in and out of. Plus there are no food options....

There is a Pilot (I think) in Jasper at Exit 65, about 30 miles NW of Birmingham.  Easy access, at least for passenger vehicles.  Not sure how it would be for commercial traffic.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on December 20, 2015, 09:37:31 PM
Maybe this question was already asked and I'm too lazy to look, but has it been determined what control cities Alabama and Mississippi will use on I-22? At the western terminus, I could see Mississippi using both Tupelo and Birmingham, like the way I-55 uses Grenada/Memphis and McComb/New Orleans. However, I believe Alabama will only use Memphis.
Currently Tupelo is used on overhead pull-through signs from Jasper west in AL. Jasper is used as the control city for traffic entering at Coalburg Rd.

Eastbound the only city used on overheads is Birmingham, both in Mississippi (at MS 25 south) and Alabama.

There are covered signs already installed at the I-65 interchange; my assumption is that, like existing US 78 signs from the interstates in Birmingham, Memphis is the control city ALDOT has used.

I've seen lower case "p"'s peaking through some of the covered signs where wind gusts have loosened the covering.  Could it be Jasper?  Let's hope not.  Tupelo? A fairly logical choice.  Memphis? The obvious choice.  But remember: Alabama is the state that has trailblazers to I-20, I-59 and I-65 along every assurance marker for I-459.  (Never figured out why).  Alabama is also the state that uses Gadsden as the control city for I-59 heading northward out of Birmingham, rather than Chattanooga.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on December 20, 2015, 09:57:37 PM
I have to go through there this week. They need more Truck Stops on 22 outside of Birmingham. The one off of Daniel Payne Blvd on the temp. Access to I22 is hell to get in and out of. Plus there are no food options....

There is a Pilot (I think) in Jasper at Exit 65, about 30 miles NW of Birmingham.  Easy access, at least for passenger vehicles.  Not sure how it would be for commercial traffic.
The Pilot in Jasper has a McDonald's and a Subway; there's also a Cracker Barrel next to the car dealership. There's also a cluster of services at exit 30, although restaurant options are scarce.

I'm not sure where you'd be able to put much more along I-22; most of the exits are in hilly areas where it'd be hard to build a decent-sized truck stop. Something at exit 7 west of Hamilton would probably do well, though.

Once you get into Mississippi where the road is more established there are more options.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: golden eagle on December 20, 2015, 11:36:06 PM
Maybe this question was already asked and I'm too lazy to look, but has it been determined what control cities Alabama and Mississippi will use on I-22? At the western terminus, I could see Mississippi using both Tupelo and Birmingham, like the way I-55 uses Grenada/Memphis and McComb/New Orleans. However, I believe Alabama will only use Memphis.
Currently Tupelo is used on overhead pull-through signs from Jasper west in AL. Jasper is used as the control city for traffic entering at Coalburg Rd.

Eastbound the only city used on overheads is Birmingham, both in Mississippi (at MS 25 south) and Alabama.

There are covered signs already installed at the I-65 interchange; my assumption is that, like existing US 78 signs from the interstates in Birmingham, Memphis is the control city ALDOT has used.

I've seen lower case "p"'s peaking through some of the covered signs where wind gusts have loosened the covering.  Could it be Jasper?  Let's hope not.  Tupelo? A fairly logical choice.  Memphis? The obvious choice.  But remember: Alabama is the state that has trailblazers to I-20, I-59 and I-65 along every assurance marker for I-459.  (Never figured out why).  Alabama is also the state that uses Gadsden as the control city for I-59 heading northward out of Birmingham, rather than Chattanooga.

Maybe ALDOT thinks Gadsden is large enough to warrant it as a control city. Then again, Decatur is a larger city, but no control sign on I-65.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: SteveG1988 on December 21, 2015, 03:06:23 AM
The love's at jasper is fairly brand new, there is a pilot towards the western end of I-22 in MS. What they need is truck parking areas period. A nice large rest area along it would be nice.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on December 21, 2015, 07:31:32 AM
Maybe this question was already asked and I'm too lazy to look, but has it been determined what control cities Alabama and Mississippi will use on I-22? At the western terminus, I could see Mississippi using both Tupelo and Birmingham, like the way I-55 uses Grenada/Memphis and McComb/New Orleans. However, I believe Alabama will only use Memphis.
Currently Tupelo is used on overhead pull-through signs from Jasper west in AL. Jasper is used as the control city for traffic entering at Coalburg Rd.

Eastbound the only city used on overheads is Birmingham, both in Mississippi (at MS 25 south) and Alabama.

There are covered signs already installed at the I-65 interchange; my assumption is that, like existing US 78 signs from the interstates in Birmingham, Memphis is the control city ALDOT has used.

I've seen lower case "p"'s peaking through some of the covered signs where wind gusts have loosened the covering.  Could it be Jasper?  Let's hope not.  Tupelo? A fairly logical choice.  Memphis? The obvious choice.  But remember: Alabama is the state that has trailblazers to I-20, I-59 and I-65 along every assurance marker for I-459.  (Never figured out why).  Alabama is also the state that uses Gadsden as the control city for I-59 heading northward out of Birmingham, rather than Chattanooga.

The signage plans I remember seeing for the I-65 interchange for I-22 West showed Memphis as the control city, but who knows if those plans have changed. I also hope it isn't Jasper.

The lack of mileage signs to the control cities and consistent control cities going west on I-22 is a big pet peeve of mine.

There are also signs at the interchanges for Exits 39, 46, and 52 that show the westbound control city for I-22 as Hamilton.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on December 21, 2015, 12:39:58 PM
Maybe this question was already asked and I'm too lazy to look, but has it been determined what control cities Alabama and Mississippi will use on I-22? At the western terminus, I could see Mississippi using both Tupelo and Birmingham, like the way I-55 uses Grenada/Memphis and McComb/New Orleans. However, I believe Alabama will only use Memphis.
Currently Tupelo is used on overhead pull-through signs from Jasper west in AL. Jasper is used as the control city for traffic entering at Coalburg Rd.

Eastbound the only city used on overheads is Birmingham, both in Mississippi (at MS 25 south) and Alabama.

There are covered signs already installed at the I-65 interchange; my assumption is that, like existing US 78 signs from the interstates in Birmingham, Memphis is the control city ALDOT has used.

I've seen lower case "p"'s peaking through some of the covered signs where wind gusts have loosened the covering.  Could it be Jasper?  Let's hope not.  Tupelo? A fairly logical choice.  Memphis? The obvious choice.  But remember: Alabama is the state that has trailblazers to I-20, I-59 and I-65 along every assurance marker for I-459.  (Never figured out why).  Alabama is also the state that uses Gadsden as the control city for I-59 heading northward out of Birmingham, rather than Chattanooga.

The signage plans I remember seeing for the I-65 interchange for I-22 West showed Memphis as the control city, but who knows if those plans have changed. I also hope it isn't Jasper.

The lack of mileage signs to the control cities and consistent control cities going west on I-22 is a big pet peeve of mine.

There are also signs at the interchanges for Exits 39, 46, and 52 that show the westbound control city for I-22 as Hamilton.

Here is the perspective from US 31 South from Google Streetview:

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5782336,-86.8052897,3a,75y,187.76h,81.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSxCtHsziTujPazPdFzbbMw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Note: I went through were on my way back from the Jasper meet.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on December 21, 2015, 01:03:00 PM
^ That is an odd place for an I-22 BGS since you are going AWAY from the US 31/I-65 interchange at that point.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on December 21, 2015, 01:47:26 PM
^ That is an odd place for an I-22 BGS since you are going AWAY from the US 31/I-65 interchange at that point.
You are going towards the direct access to I-22. But why is the sign on the left?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: ttownfeen on January 06, 2016, 03:59:06 AM
Gadsden is used as the control city for 59 N in B'ham because there an interstate highway junction (759 *snort*) there. It's the same reason Tusaloosa is used for 20 W/59 S - the 359 junction - instead of Meridian. Now why that same logic isn't applied to Decatur for 65 N is something you'd have to ask ALDOT.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: formulanone on January 06, 2016, 11:19:38 AM
Gadsden is used as the control city for 59 N in B'ham because there an interstate highway junction (759 *snort*) there. It's the same reason Tusaloosa is used for 20 W/59 S - the 359 junction - instead of Meridian. Now why that same logic isn't applied to Decatur for 65 N is something you'd have to ask ALDOT.

Besides being the more populous city, small sections of I-65 have been annexed by Huntsville, while none of Decatur's city limits touch I-65. Yes, Decatur is closer to the route, but so is Athens...doesn't quite justify it as a control city.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: freebrickproductions on January 06, 2016, 11:30:10 AM
Gadsden is used as the control city for 59 N in B'ham because there an interstate highway junction (759 *snort*) there. It's the same reason Tusaloosa is used for 20 W/59 S - the 359 junction - instead of Meridian. Now why that same logic isn't applied to Decatur for 65 N is something you'd have to ask ALDOT.

Besides being the more populous city, small sections of I-65 have been annexed by Huntsville, while none of Decatur's city limits touch I-65. Yes, Decatur is closer to the route, but so is Athens...doesn't quite justify it as a control city.
Decatur's city limits actually touch the I-65/I-565 interchange. IIRC, sign that syas you've entered Decatur City Limits on I-565 is underneath one of the overpasses for I-65.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on January 06, 2016, 11:44:43 AM
http://www.huntsvilleal.gov/gis/gis_maps/pdfs/city_limits.pdf
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on January 06, 2016, 02:15:25 PM
Gadsden is used as the control city for 59 N in B'ham because there an interstate highway junction (759 *snort*) there. It's the same reason Tusaloosa is used for 20 W/59 S - the 359 junction - instead of Meridian. Now why that same logic isn't applied to Decatur for 65 N is something you'd have to ask ALDOT.

Because I-65 originally used Nashville as a control city north of Birmingham
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: formulanone on January 06, 2016, 03:04:08 PM
http://www.huntsvilleal.gov/gis/gis_maps/pdfs/city_limits.pdf
Gadsden is used as the control city for 59 N in B'ham because there an interstate highway junction (759 *snort*) there. It's the same reason Tusaloosa is used for 20 W/59 S - the 359 junction - instead of Meridian. Now why that same logic isn't applied to Decatur for 65 N is something you'd have to ask ALDOT.

Besides being the more populous city, small sections of I-65 have been annexed by Huntsville, while none of Decatur's city limits touch I-65. Yes, Decatur is closer to the route, but so is Athens...doesn't quite justify it as a control city.
Decatur's city limits actually touch the I-65/I-565 interchange. IIRC, sign that syas you've entered Decatur City Limits on I-565 is underneath one of the overpasses for I-65.

I didn't realize Decatur also sprawled out to the interstate (although nothing like Huntsville).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: ttownfeen on January 06, 2016, 10:46:06 PM
Now that I think about it, I can see the logic of saying since 565 is meant to connect to the central business district of Huntsville in the same manner that 359 and 769 are meant to connect to the central business districts of Tuscaloosa and Gadsden, it should be used as the control city for that junction instead of Decatur.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: golden eagle on January 06, 2016, 10:49:00 PM
Gadsden is used as the control city for 59 N in B'ham because there an interstate highway junction (759 *snort*) there. It's the same reason Tusaloosa is used for 20 W/59 S - the 359 junction - instead of Meridian. Now why that same logic isn't applied to Decatur for 65 N is something you'd have to ask ALDOT.

Wouldn't Tuscaloosa being a control city have more to do with being the flagship campus of the University of Alabama?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on January 07, 2016, 07:55:25 AM
Gadsden is used as the control city for 59 N in B'ham because there an interstate highway junction (759 *snort*) there. It's the same reason Tusaloosa is used for 20 W/59 S - the 359 junction - instead of Meridian. Now why that same logic isn't applied to Decatur for 65 N is something you'd have to ask ALDOT.

Wouldn't Tuscaloosa being a control city have more to do with being the flagship campus of the University of Alabama?

Perhaps, but the same treatment isn't given for Auburn/Opelika on I-85.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: MikeTheActuary on January 07, 2016, 10:12:10 AM

Wouldn't Tuscaloosa being a control city have more to do with being the flagship campus of the University of Alabama?

Perhaps, but the same treatment isn't given for Auburn/Opelika on I-85.

The DOT isn't immune to expressions of bias when it comes to certain intrastate rivalries.

Folks who have not spent a certain amount of time in Alabama cannot possibly fathom just how deep feelings about the Alabama/Auburn rivalry runs in that state.   These days, when an Alabaman speaks about the tragedy of a mixed marriage, they aren't referring to skin color....
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: ttownfeen on January 07, 2016, 02:21:51 PM
Yes, well in this case I think they were just following the AASHTO control city standard of using next interstate crossing.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: golden eagle on January 07, 2016, 09:08:51 PM
Tuscaloosa is also significantly larger than Meridian (95K people vs. 41K), so for westbound 20/59, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to pass over Tuscaloosa as a control city.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: clong on January 19, 2016, 11:05:13 AM
Drove thru the I-22/I-65 junction area yesterday. It was the first time I had been thru since November.

They have made significant progress. Here are the big items I saw that need to be completed to finish the junction:
Walls and tie-in on the 65 end of the I-22 East to I-65 South ramp
Final surface on the last mainline lane or two of I-65 North so traffic can be shifted again off the C/D lanes
Some underwork and painting on the I-22 East to I-65 North ramp
Ramp tie-in on the 31 to I-65 North ramp

Those were the main things I saw, but it seems like something that can be accomplished in a few months. I didn't get a good look at the I-65 South to I-22 West ramp, which is one that I know had been mentioned in media reports as being incomplete.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on January 19, 2016, 11:35:28 AM
The bridge over the Norfolk Southern Railroad for the I-65 South to I-22 West ramp has been completed for a while. However, I am not sure if there has been any progress made on the approaches.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: freebrickproductions on January 19, 2016, 12:10:29 PM
I drove through the I-22/AL 13 interchange yesterday, but didn't see any I-22 shields posted.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on January 19, 2016, 12:18:28 PM
I'm surprised. The ALDOT Jasper District (which is who covers that area) recently went through and essentially did a "Find and Replace" for all US 78 shields at the I-22 interchanges.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Buck87 on January 19, 2016, 01:01:43 PM
Drove thru the I-22/I-65 junction area yesterday. It was the first time I had been thru since November.

They have made significant progress. Here are the big items I saw that need to be completed to finish the junction:
Walls and tie-in on the 65 end of the I-22 East to I-65 South ramp
Final surface on the last mainline lane or two of I-65 North so traffic can be shifted again off the C/D lanes
Some underwork and painting on the I-22 East to I-65 North ramp
Ramp tie-in on the 31 to I-65 North ramp

Those were the main things I saw, but it seems like something that can be accomplished in a few months. I didn't get a good look at the I-65 South to I-22 West ramp, which is one that I know had been mentioned in media reports as being incomplete.

Thanks for that description. I drove through there for the first time last week, and there was so much to take in it was hard to get a grip on just how much was left. It was nice to see all the bridges in place.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on January 19, 2016, 01:49:54 PM
The contractor really made great strides in 2015. Each time I drove through there I noticed something new, and I was through there about every other month.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on January 19, 2016, 07:44:47 PM
Just echoing everyone else's thoughts. Drove through there myself today. Got to ride on the southbound lanes of I-65 for the first time. It does appear the control signs covered up will say Memphis.

The bridge that appears to be the most behind is the ramp from US 31 connecting north to I-65.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on February 07, 2016, 09:05:42 AM
Any new updates on the I65/I22 interchange construction progress?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 08, 2016, 10:02:03 AM
Looks like the flyovers are mostly done except for the US 31 NB to I-65 NB flyover. That one is progressing fast, though.

All of the I-65 SB lanes are mostly done. I-65 NB still diverts to the C/D road, but it looks like final paving is underway for the northbound main lanes.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: The Ghostbuster on February 08, 2016, 04:23:16 PM
How long before it is completed again? I can't wait!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 08, 2016, 08:26:23 PM
I think the interchange will be done before the paving of the I-22 mainline between Coalburg Road and I-65. When I went through there a couple of weeks ago, it appeared that there were still a couple of layers of asphalt left to place on the mainline (at least from where I could see it at the Coalburg Road interchange).

I would estimate that the interchange would achieve substantial completion in April and the paving on the I-22 mainline will be finished sometime this summer (maybe June or July).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: The Ghostbuster on February 09, 2016, 04:07:13 PM
Finally! Now they have to figure out just where exactly the western terminus will be. I'd place it at the Lamar Avenue/Davidson Road/Old US 78 intersection, just inside the Tennesse state limits where the current freeway ends.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on February 09, 2016, 06:30:14 PM
Finally! Now they have to figure out just where exactly the western terminus will be. I'd place it at the Lamar Avenue/Davidson Road/Old US 78 intersection, just inside the Tennesse state limits where the current freeway ends.

Huh? MDOT has already said the western terminus is going to be I-269. TDOT/Memphis MPO has no interest in properly upgrading Lamar and FHWA apparently isn't going to sign off on a state line terminus.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: The Ghostbuster on February 10, 2016, 04:55:56 PM
I know that! The location I posted is where I would end the Interstate if I was in charge of the process. Alas, we roadgeeks are not.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on February 10, 2016, 06:12:38 PM
Now they have to figure out just where exactly the western terminus will be.

Your statement from before would seem to contradict your latest one.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: cjk374 on February 12, 2016, 04:38:03 AM
Are the new I-22 main lanes from I-65 westward going to be hot mix or concrete?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 12, 2016, 06:50:59 AM
Hot mix. ALDOT rarely uses concrete pavement anymore.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on February 13, 2016, 07:54:12 PM
The control city for I-22 West will be....Memphis.

I drove out to check the progress today.  The tarp covering one of the BGS's had separated from the sign, and indeed it said "Memphis".
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tomahawkin on February 13, 2016, 08:55:35 PM
Anyone know where the truck stops will be at upon completion? That gas station off of Daniel Boone, is hell and there are no restaurants in that area
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on February 14, 2016, 07:20:34 PM
There is a Pilot off of Exit 64 in New Albany, MS, a Loves off of Exit 81 in Tupelo, MS, and another Loves off of Exit 65 in Jasper, AL.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on February 14, 2016, 09:15:16 PM
There is also an nice Huddle House, Hampton Inn and Shell station at exit 30 at Winfield.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on February 14, 2016, 10:53:00 PM
There's also a good sized truck stop on US 45 at Barnes Crossing, one exit north of I-22. Lots of other services at the same exit too. The Fulton exit (MS 25 south) has several gas stations, including a Murphy USA that's usually cheap.

If you're continuing past future I-269, there's also a Flying J at US 78 exit 6 (Hacks Cross/Bethel roads) in Olive Branch. MS 302, exit 2 (I think), also has lots of restaurants and gas options.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on February 15, 2016, 11:43:49 AM
Flew over the interchange on a flight from Atlanta to Little Rock last Friday.  The road paving stopped well short of the new bridges.  It looked like all the bridge decks were in place, but had to tell exact condition.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on March 15, 2016, 11:07:14 AM
Any interchange updates?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: clong on March 15, 2016, 03:08:55 PM
As luck would have it, a new article came out yesterday...
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2016/03/lane_closures_and_rolling_road_2.html (http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2016/03/lane_closures_and_rolling_road_2.html)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jpi on March 16, 2016, 12:03:30 AM
Anyone know where the truck stops will be at upon completion? That gas station off of Daniel Boone, is hell and there are no restaurants in that area

We also have 2 Cracker Barrels along this route, Jasper, AL and Tupelo, MS at Barnes Crossings.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on March 20, 2016, 08:31:59 PM
Drove through the construction area of the I-22/I-65 interchange this weekend.  Jersey barriers for all of the C-D roadways are in place, the ramp from 65 NB to 22 WB is paved and striped, sign gantries are mostly in place on both 65 NB and SB.  From what I could tell, none of the sign gantries are in place on 22 EB, though, and the on ramp from 31 onto 65 NB still has some work to do.  My guess is, we're looking at late May or early June.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on March 30, 2016, 09:36:27 PM
ALDOT says I-22/65 interchange project is nearly complete: http://www.wbrc.com/story/31605227/aldot-says-i-2265-interchange-project-is-nearly-complete

The interchange itself is 97% complete and the associated paving project is nearly done. It may be all open to traffic in June.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on March 30, 2016, 11:59:57 PM
I guess it just goes to show that miracles still happen!!!😳😳😳
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: dfwtbear on March 31, 2016, 01:03:34 AM
I hope its open in July when I need to go from Atlanta to Memphis.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: tidecat on April 07, 2016, 09:05:58 PM
Story from WVTM:

http://bit.ly/1WdTOlN



iPhone
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: clong on April 21, 2016, 05:21:41 PM
I drove thru the I-22/I-65 interchange area yesterday. They are still working on the US31 to I-65 North ramp, but have made significant progress on it. 1 lane of SB I-65 between Walkers Chapel Road and the US31/I-22 exit had been milled but not paved. Everything else looked like touch-up work - sweeping some dirt off the road from minor shoulder grading, moving portable toilets, etc.

From the Coalburg Road exit, I saw a crew paving. I don't know how many more layers they have left, but it appeared they were finishing that layer on EB I-22 and had 2 runs left on WB. Can't imagine more than 1, maybe 2 more layers left from the looks of the asphalt already down. Also noticed some new sign gantries (without the signs themselves) had been installed since my last trip up about 6-8 weeks ago.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on April 21, 2016, 09:44:02 PM
I think paving on 22 is the real issue right now. That's what news media in Birmingham are reporting.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Gnutella on April 26, 2016, 02:08:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/sGUkI5U.png)

:-D
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: The Ghostbuster on April 26, 2016, 03:48:26 PM
It's more likely hell will freeze over first.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on April 26, 2016, 04:05:32 PM
Get your snowshoes ready for June then.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Stephane Dumas on April 26, 2016, 07:45:22 PM
I thought it'll be when the Buffalo Sabres win their 1st Stanley Cup championship in the movie "Bruce Almighty". ;)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on April 28, 2016, 12:19:11 PM
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/04/i-22_interchange_at_i-65_will.html#incart_river_home

Sometime in June.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: freebrickproductions on April 28, 2016, 04:02:37 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/sGUkI5U.png)

:-D
May of us have probably already read the full article, but for those of us who haven't, y'all should as it's a pretty good read (http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/04/completion_of_i-22_may_trigger.html).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Henry on April 29, 2016, 12:56:06 PM
And to think I was reading an article from The Onion or some other fake news site... :rofl:
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on May 16, 2016, 12:09:38 AM
For what it's worth, as of today overhead signs are installed on the unopened section of I-22 for the I-65 interchange (2 mile advance and 1 mile advance) and it looks like the mainline paving is done; all that remains to be done seems to be striping and ground-level signs, and possibly guardrails--I couldn't see any in place from the Coalburg Road overpass. Given the $2,000/day penalty clock running on the contractor, they conceivably could open the road by Memorial Day weekend unless there's something non-obvious but critical at the I-65 end still missing, since striping a couple of miles of closed freeway could easily be done in a day and the ground-level signs probably aren't that critical.

The I-22 guide signs show no evidence of the eventual continuation to U.S. 31, so I guess they'll be replaced completely when the stub end is completed.

Also of potential interest: some of the existing ground-level signs east of US 78/AL 4 may also be about to be replaced; I noticed new mounting poles behind at least one speed limit sign (hopefully going up to 70 rather than down or staying the same).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Gnutella on May 16, 2016, 04:58:48 AM
So what number will the I-22 exit with I-65 be? Will it be 95 or 96?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on May 16, 2016, 08:08:47 AM
The plans I have show the speed limit going up to 70. The plans also show US 78 to be co-signed with I-22. There is no exit number for the I-65 interchange on the plans.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: The Ghostbuster on May 16, 2016, 04:32:46 PM
Hey Hey! Ho Ho! US 78 has got to go! (IMHO)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on May 16, 2016, 06:43:40 PM
Why is I-22's western terminus going to be at I-269 instead of I-240 or I-55?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on May 17, 2016, 01:42:09 AM
So what number will the I-22 exit with I-65 be? Will it be 95 or 96?
The signs didn't have exit tabs on them, as far as I can remember.

As for why I-22 will end at I-269, I suppose it's ultimately because MDOT didn't apply to end it somewhere else. There is a substandard bridge westbound over the Coldwater River, which may help explain why they didn't ask to extend it to the state line.

Anyway, TDOT (or at least Memphis MPO) has no interest in a freeway upgrade of Lamar, even in the long term, probably because they see an upgrade as benefiting Mississippi - making it even easier to commute to Olive Branch - more than Tennessee.

Speaking of I-269, there's no visible indication that I-22 ends there at present. The bridge and grading work through the interchange looks completely done (except the mysteriously missing ramps from 22 east to 269 north and 269 south to US 78 west) and grassed over at this point.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: LM117 on May 17, 2016, 09:44:43 AM
Why is I-22's western terminus going to be at I-269 instead of I-240 or I-55?

Because in order for that to happen, Lamar Avenue in TN would have to be upgraded, which would be extremely costly and there are numerous businesses along the corridor, IIRC.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Voyager75 on May 22, 2016, 07:57:30 PM
(http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah18/bshuguley/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsbapakwol.jpeg) (http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/bshuguley/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsbapakwol.jpeg.html)

Came back down from Cullman on I-65 last night back to see one of the tarps had blown up to reveal one of the 22 shields and Memphis. I assume it says WEST under the tarp that's still in place or it's a horrible off-center job. Sorry for the blurriness.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on May 22, 2016, 08:00:12 PM
(http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah18/bshuguley/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsbapakwol.jpeg) (http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/bshuguley/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsbapakwol.jpeg.html)

Came back down from Cullman on I-65 last night back to see one of the tarps had blown up to reveal one of the 22 shields. I assume it says WEST under the tarp that still in place or it's a horrible off-center job. Sorry for the blurriness.

This is what bothers me. It lists Memphis as a control city of I-22, but it won't go into Tennessee. I know it comes really close to the border, but it still bothers me.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on May 22, 2016, 08:32:04 PM
(http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah18/bshuguley/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsbapakwol.jpeg) (http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/bshuguley/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsbapakwol.jpeg.html)

Came back down from Cullman on I-65 last night back to see one of the tarps had blown up to reveal one of the 22 shields. I assume it says WEST under the tarp that still in place or it's a horrible off-center job. Sorry for the blurriness.

This is what bothers me. It lists Memphis as a control city of I-22, but it won't go into Tennessee. I know it comes really close to the border, but it still bothers me.

Um, it gets you to Memphis, just as I-65 gets you to Huntsville or I-75 gets you to Miami or Tampa or both I-55 and I-59 get you to New Orleans.

As for the sign they might be leaving space for a US 78 shield to be added. It's non-obvious how ALDOT will reroute it onto that section of I-22, since they could multiplex it with US 31 instead of using I-65.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on May 22, 2016, 08:40:46 PM
The signage plans do call for it to say WEST so no US 78 shield will go there.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on May 22, 2016, 09:17:39 PM
(http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah18/bshuguley/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsbapakwol.jpeg) (http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/bshuguley/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsbapakwol.jpeg.html)

Came back down from Cullman on I-65 last night back to see one of the tarps had blown up to reveal one of the 22 shields. I assume it says WEST under the tarp that still in place or it's a horrible off-center job. Sorry for the blurriness.

This is what bothers me. It lists Memphis as a control city of I-22, but it won't go into Tennessee. I know it comes really close to the border, but it still bothers me.

Um, it gets you to Memphis, just as I-65 gets you to Huntsville or I-75 gets you to Miami or Tampa or both I-55 and I-59 get you to New Orleans.

As for the sign they might be leaving space for a US 78 shield to be added. It's non-obvious how ALDOT will reroute it onto that section of I-22, since they could multiplex it with US 31 instead of using I-65.

It gets you CLOSE to Memphis. Its western terminus will be at Future I-269 in Mississippi.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on May 22, 2016, 10:16:03 PM
The signage plans do call for it to say WEST so no US 78 shield will go there.

The tarp had blown off when I went up to Huntsville back on May 13, it does in fact say WEST under there. 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on May 29, 2016, 04:11:44 PM
Any updates as to opening day?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on May 30, 2016, 08:38:46 AM
There was no sign of any striping or other progress on Saturday east of Coalburg Road when I was through there over the weekend. However, all three lanes were unblocked eastbound at Exit 85 and all of the signs reducing the speed limit and directing through traffic to exit there had been removed, and the truck restriction signage is now gone as well.

Most of the resurfacing work west of Jasper also seemed done.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on June 01, 2016, 04:36:22 PM
Getting close.

http://abc3340.com/news/local/ribbon-cutting-for-i-22-set-for-june-20
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on June 01, 2016, 04:46:42 PM
Getting close.

http://abc3340.com/news/local/ribbon-cutting-for-i-22-set-for-june-20

Wow, This is only 19 days away! Is this only for Alabama's section, or is Mississippi's section complete too?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on June 01, 2016, 05:47:10 PM
Wow, This is only 19 days away! Is this only for Alabama's section, or is Mississippi's section complete too?

Yes, except the connection to I-269 at the terminus of the designation, which is expected to be completed sometime in 2018.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on June 01, 2016, 05:54:28 PM
Wow, This is only 19 days away! Is this only for Alabama's section, or is Mississippi's section complete too?

Yes, except the connection to I-269 at the terminus of the designation, which is expected to be completed sometime in 2018.

Okay, so essentially all but the western terminus. Cool.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: golden eagle on June 02, 2016, 08:59:14 AM

Came back down from Cullman on I-65 last night back to see one of the tarps had blown up to reveal one of the 22 shields. I assume it says WEST under the tarp that still in place or it's a horrible off-center job. Sorry for the blurriness.

This is what bothers me. It lists Memphis as a control city of I-22, but it won't go into Tennessee. I know it comes really close to the border, but it still bothers me.

You'll be very bothered about I-57 in Illinois that uses Memphis as its southbound control city, even though Memphis is about another 140 miles from 57's terminus at I-55.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on June 02, 2016, 11:59:26 AM
This is what bothers me. It lists Memphis as a control city of I-22, but it won't go into Tennessee. I know it comes really close to the border, but it still bothers me.

What do you think it should say? "A place outside of Memphis in Mississippi near Olive Branch" doesn't fit.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on June 02, 2016, 01:02:51 PM
What a stupid thing to complain about.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on June 02, 2016, 03:05:08 PM
What a stupid thing to complain about.

Well, I'm sorry it bothers me. As for what it should say, I guess the name of a city just outside Memphis. In all reality, it doesn't really matter too much, but it still doesn't sit right with me.

You honestly could have been a little nicer with that, by the way.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: NE2 on June 02, 2016, 03:10:23 PM
You could be a little less anal about control cities.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on June 02, 2016, 03:14:41 PM
You could be a little less anal about control cities.

Once again, sorry it bothers me. I can't help it. :-/
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on June 06, 2016, 09:55:49 PM
Here is a fugly sign that was captured in a news story (http://www.wvtm13.com/news/interchange-linking-birmingham-to-memphis-to-open-soon/39914222) from WVTM in Birmingham:

(http://i.imgur.com/vrJQnd2.png)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on June 06, 2016, 10:09:39 PM
Don't know if this is the right place to put this, but I was wondering since we now can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel on I-22 being completed through Alabama, does anyone have any stories about the different generations of roads that have connected Birmingham and Memphis.

I remember as a teenager in the 1970's riding 78 from Jasper to Memphis as my family would go to Missouri to visit my Brother who lived there at the time. I can remember my Dad driving big Lincoln Mark IV's as he would fuss about trying to pass trucks on the old two lane road.

I can remember the original route it took through most of Walker and Jefferson counties. I could not have been no more than five years old and seeing the old four lane west of Graysville being built. Seems like yesterday and yet it was a long time ago.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on June 07, 2016, 11:59:32 AM
Don't know if this is the right place to put this, but I was wondering since we now can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel on I-22 being completed through Alabama, does anyone have any stories about the different generations of roads that have connected Birmingham and Memphis.

I remember as a teenager in the 1970's riding 78 from Jasper to Memphis as my family would go to Missouri to visit my Brother who lived there at the time. I can remember my Dad driving big Lincoln Mark IV's as he would fuss about trying to pass trucks on the old two lane road.

I can remember the original route it took through most of Walker and Jefferson counties. I could not have been no more than five years old and seeing the old four lane west of Graysville being built. Seems like yesterday and yet it was a long time ago.

They've been talking about and building this road all my life it seems. I remember my dad making me drive back from Memphis part of the way and me freaking out because of the uneven pavement and tight (to me) bridges as the road shifted back and forth between partially finished sections and regular two lane road and the truckers seemingly coming straight at me. I could barely keep that Maxima in the lane it seemed and my mom was like, "Well let's let him learn some other time." But pops was adamant. Do or die.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alex on June 07, 2016, 12:50:35 PM
My first experience with Interstate 22/U.S. 78 was in September 2003. We had a weeklong stay in Birmingham that year and I did several daytrips while there, including one along what was opened of Corridor X. A number of photos from that day showing the roadway under construction are posted on our I-22 page (http://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0022al). It was neat to see a future Interstate partially open, as most of the system was complete by the time I could remember, save for a section of I-95 by PHL Airport I recall from 1st or 2nd grade.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on June 07, 2016, 06:28:37 PM
My Dad has been dead for almost 10 years. The last five years he lived he was very frail. Yet one of the things he looked forward to was me dropping by and taking him out to see the different parts of Corridor X under construction. Since there were different parts in different stages of construction, it was enjoyable for him because there was always something changing. These are memories I will keep with me as long as I live.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on June 07, 2016, 11:00:34 PM
My granddad passed away in 2000 at the age of 90.  He used to remark that they had been working on Highway 78 ever since he started driving, which would have been circa 1926.  Little did he know...

My earliest recollections of travelling on 78 date back to the mid '60's.  The highway has been four-lanes out of Birmingham as long as I can remember, but just short of the Jefferson-Walker county line, the four lane ended, resulting in a heavily traveled two lane road between the county line and Sumiton.  From Sumiton to Dora, the route was four lanes, but the segment between Dora and Jasper was two lanes, expanding again to four lanes through Jasper.

Any time we went from Birmingham to Little Rock, we always left Highway 78 at Jasper and took Highway 5 to Highway 278 near Natural Bridge.  We would pick 78 up again at Hamilton, following it through Mississippi.  I asked my granddad why he always did it, and he was always quick to explain that 5, then 278 was a better road with less traffic than it would have been to take 78 to Guin, then go along the 43/78/278 triplex (complete with the 78/278 wrong-way concurrency).  After taking that route a couple of times I understood what he was talking about.

Highway 78 in Mississippi was worse than Highway 78 in Alabama.  Narrow shoulders, twists, turns, blind intersections, and no four-lane segments, except around Tupelo.  And it seemed like every town in Mississippi was a major speed trap.

Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on June 08, 2016, 10:51:20 AM
I remember that well. My parents house in Jasper was just above the overpass where state highways 5 and 195 intersected US 78. Growing up you there you got used to the trucks running all night by there house.

The only part the truckers didn't like was 5 running through Walker County. Because it was a WPA road built during the Great Depression. That's why it's so narrow and has no shoulders. Winston County didn't build there part until the 1950's.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on June 08, 2016, 08:49:08 PM
I vaguely remember an intersection in Fulton, MS where the traffic light had the green light on top and the red light on the bottom.  Even as a young kid I thought it was bizarre.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on June 08, 2016, 09:52:09 PM
You remember the tunnel at Sherman, MS on the old 78?? You went under the train tracks. Used to scare my Mom to death going inside it.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on June 09, 2016, 12:24:10 AM
I do indeed remember that!

And I wonder how many fatalities took place at the intersection of 78 and Pratt Highway near Forestdale before they built that interchange?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on June 09, 2016, 08:37:00 PM
Over at the Coalburg Road exit late this afternoon. Saw stripes starting to be put down.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: clong on June 10, 2016, 02:27:39 PM
I drove past both ends of the construction zone - Coalburg Rd and I-65 - this morning. It appears that all lane striping is in place. I didn't notice anything that needs to be completed save the removal of a few orange construction barrels.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on June 10, 2016, 09:19:10 PM
When are they going to put down that final asphalt layer between Cherry Ave and Coalburg Road on the eastbound lanes??
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: freebrickproductions on June 11, 2016, 02:50:30 AM
Here is a fugly sign that was captured in a news story (http://www.wvtm13.com/news/interchange-linking-birmingham-to-memphis-to-open-soon/39914222) from WVTM in Birmingham:

(http://i.imgur.com/vrJQnd2.png)
I want to say that's the first APL sign in Alabama...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: MikeTheActuary on June 11, 2016, 08:16:28 AM
So...what's the over/under of TDOT recognizing the new designation, and putting up some "TO I-22" signs to indicate the use of US 78/Lamar Ave to get there?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: TrevorB on June 11, 2016, 11:37:40 AM
Not sure, I've asked questions on the TDOT Facebook page before and gotten some responses. I'll try that and let y'all know.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tomahawkin on June 11, 2016, 12:22:30 PM
I sure hope to see restaurant and truck stop development at the 22/Coalburg rd. Interchange. That area could sure use the revenue
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on June 11, 2016, 05:38:55 PM
May be after we are all dead and gone.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on June 12, 2016, 12:48:25 AM
So...what's the over/under of TDOT recognizing the new designation, and putting up some "TO I-22" signs to indicate the use of US 78/Lamar Ave to get there?
I'd rate it as exceedingly unlikely, although they do have TO signs for I-155 and I-40 on US 412 so it wouldn't be completely unprecedented.

Alternatively they might sign 385 to 269 as the preferred route (when the latter is open) to try to get some through traffic off Lamar.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: DeaconG on June 12, 2016, 09:21:35 AM
May be after we are all dead and gone.

Oh, not quite that long I think...after all, no one expected I-22 to connect to I-65 before the Second Coming!

Give it about 2 to 4 years, with the widening of Coalburg Road it's only a matter of time before someone puts businesses there.  I wouldn't be surprised if the lots weren't already bought and zoned.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on June 12, 2016, 01:43:25 PM
Oh I understand. Yeah, I would say within five years. There is only one corner, the northwest, that couldn't be developed.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on June 12, 2016, 08:45:53 PM
So...what's the over/under of TDOT recognizing the new designation, and putting up some "TO I-22" signs to indicate the use of US 78/Lamar Ave to get there?
I'd rate it as exceedingly unlikely, although they do have TO signs for I-155 and I-40 on US 412 so it wouldn't be completely unprecedented.

Alternatively they might sign 385 to 269 as the preferred route (when the latter is open) to try to get some through traffic off Lamar.

The I-22/269 interchange with some of the ramps missing may hinder that a bit.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on June 12, 2016, 09:29:10 PM
It's supposed to be a full interchange, and I can't see FHWA signing off on an incomplete one. All I can figure is that they put off the grading for the final two ramps until the paving contract for some reason.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on June 13, 2016, 07:18:37 AM
The plan index for the paving between MS 305 and east of Macon Road indicates a full interchange between I-22 and I-269. I was trying to see if there were any sheets that pertained to grade and drain of the missing ramps, but I didn't see any.

(http://i.imgur.com/pQaftFB.png)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: msunat97 on June 15, 2016, 09:35:39 AM
Has the countdown begun to the opening of the I-65 interchange?  Feels like we need a large clock & a parade.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alex on June 15, 2016, 09:59:13 AM
Has the countdown begun to the opening of the I-65 interchange?  Feels like we need a large clock & a parade.

H/t to codyg1985 for the article Corridor X opening Monday to drivers (http://abc3340.com/news/local/corridor-x-opening-monday-to-drivers), yes, you can count down to 10 am on Monday morning, when the ribbon cutting takes place.  :)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: MazdaStrider on June 15, 2016, 03:38:38 PM
If anyone plans on driving this stretch of new I-22, please share photos or videos! I am sure some of us are interested in what it looks like.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on June 15, 2016, 03:44:48 PM
If anyone plans on driving this stretch of new I-22, please share photos or videos! I am sure some of us are interested in what it looks like.

I'm definitely interested! I'm probably never going to drive down I-22, since I live so far away, so it would be nice to see how the road turned out.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: barcncpt44 on June 15, 2016, 06:23:10 PM
Al.com has posted pictures of the completed interchange.
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/06/sneak_peek_completed_i-22_inte.html#incart_river_home (http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/06/sneak_peek_completed_i-22_inte.html#incart_river_home)

It looks like the I-22 connection to US 31 is going to be built later.  Anyways, I plan on filming this new interchange around the 4th of July holiday weekend.  Long term I expect to see a lot of new development from the interchange all the way up to Jasper.  People living in Shelby County are getting tired of the huge traffic jams and narrow roads. 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on June 15, 2016, 06:48:14 PM
If anyone plans on driving this stretch of new I-22, please share photos or videos! I am sure some of us are interested in what it looks like.

Funny thing is that I am going to take a drive on this when I am heading towards Atlanta.  I will definitely take a video of it via my dash cam!!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: BamaZeus on June 16, 2016, 12:14:11 PM
Looking at those pics, I don't think I've ever seen a 60mph advisory sign on an off-ramp before.  I know part of it is because of construction, but I think the speed limit isn't even 60 in that area of Birmingham.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Anthony_JK on June 16, 2016, 01:05:46 PM
The plan index for the paving between MS 305 and east of Macon Road indicates a full interchange between I-22 and I-269. I was trying to see if there were any sheets that pertained to grade and drain of the missing ramps, but I didn't see any.

(http://i.imgur.com/pQaftFB.png)

So sorry, but even with C/D roadways, that cloverleaf interchange still looks insufficient. Give us at least some directional ramps for the loops in the future, MSDOT.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on June 16, 2016, 05:42:05 PM
Looking at those pics, I don't think I've ever seen a 60mph advisory sign on an off-ramp before.  I know part of it is because of construction, but I think the speed limit isn't even 60 in that area of Birmingham.

I believe the normal signed speed limit on I-65 is 60 mph from I-20/59 north through the US 31 interchange at least; I don't remember where it went/goes up to 70 off-hand.

So sorry, but even with C/D roadways, that cloverleaf interchange still looks insufficient. Give us at least some directional ramps for the loops in the future, MSDOT.

Considering a lot of the truck traffic will be staying on US 78 past I-269, I'd imagine the loop ramps will be adequate for the foreseeable future. (There are no flyovers at I-40 or I-55 either.)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: TrevorB on June 16, 2016, 06:33:04 PM
So...what's the over/under of TDOT recognizing the new designation, and putting up some "TO I-22" signs to indicate the use of US 78/Lamar Ave to get there?

From TDOT:
"Great question! We have a project in the works to widen SR 78 (Lamar Ave) in this area. Placing signs that say "To I-22" in Tennessee is something that will be evaluated and addressed during the construction of that project."


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Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on June 16, 2016, 09:33:57 PM
Just a good repaving job would be helpful on Lamar Ave. Have any of you seen the potholes?? Some look like craters!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: The Ghostbuster on June 17, 2016, 03:14:50 PM
SR 78? Does that mean US 78 will be truncated? Or was it just a typo?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: sparker on June 17, 2016, 05:38:20 PM
Probably just a typo, since US 78/Lamar Ave. is also TN SR4 -- and has been since day one!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: freebrickproductions on June 17, 2016, 07:35:08 PM
Not sure if this was mentioned, but there's a plethora of neutered I-22 shields around the end of I-22 in Birmingham, AL.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: TrevorB on June 17, 2016, 08:04:25 PM
Probably just a typo, since US 78/Lamar Ave. is also TN SR4 -- and has been since day one!

Although it would make some sense if eventually MS removes US 78 from I-22 and moves it to present day 178 (parallel to I-22). That would force Tennessee to change it to a State Route.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: sparker on June 17, 2016, 09:53:44 PM
Not necessarily, as SR 4 is simply an internal number; Lamar Ave. has always been posted as US 78, with the original alignment diverging from the present divided highway about a half-mile NW of the TN/MS state line.  If MS were indeed to shift US 78 to present MS 178 (the old road), it's likely -- if TN were to participate in such a shift -- that US 78 would simply utilize the original alignment NW from the state line to the present junction of Lamar and the extension of the present US 78 freeway in MS.  In all likelihood, either the relocated US 78 or the divided freeway access in TN would retain the SR 4 designation, with the other becoming a "spur 4".  But this sort of conjecture is a bit moot, as the future designation of the US 78 freeway west of the I-22/269 junction has yet to be determined.  My guess is that MS, even if they move the majority of US 78 onto MS 178, would probably shift it back onto I-22 somewhere east of I-269 in order to retain the US 78 posting, as a locally familiar number, on the remaining portion of freeway to the TN state line.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: sglaughlin on June 19, 2016, 10:42:11 PM
Haven't heard any updates on the opening.  As of today at about 1pm, the tarps were still up on I-65 NB for I-22.  Some vehicles visible working on the segment of I-22 visible from I-65.  Coming SB on I-65 about 5:30, the tarps were still up on the sign just south of Walker Chapel Rd, the next one south was partially off (may have been wind from Friday), and the two tarps around the interchange were gone completely.  Still some vehicles on the end of I-22.  Barricades were still all there.  Will probably travel that way at lunch tomorrow (opening day) and see what's up.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on June 20, 2016, 03:55:08 AM
I will be out that way tomorrow to check it out as well.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on June 20, 2016, 10:39:13 AM
Just wondering if anyone will be at the ribbon cutting? If so how about some pictures!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on June 20, 2016, 10:41:30 AM
I wished I could be there. :(

Too much going on with work.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on June 20, 2016, 11:03:17 AM
I would liked to have seen video of both the ceremony and the first cars to use it.

Unlike the recent I-69 opening in Indiana this is a major intersection in a larger city.  I would liked to have seen how much traffic started using the interchange when it opened.

(https://flagexpressions.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/nascargreenflag.jpg)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on June 20, 2016, 11:06:37 AM
They are steaming the ribbon cutting live here right now: http://abc3340.com/news/local/corridor-x-opens-today
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: TrevorB on June 20, 2016, 11:50:10 AM
There it is! (screenshots from ABC 33/40 live stream)

(http://i.imgur.com/hN9c4UB.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/bOV5Kbj.png)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on June 20, 2016, 12:09:59 PM
Yea, but is it open to traffic yet?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on June 20, 2016, 01:12:40 PM
It should be.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on June 20, 2016, 02:13:22 PM
There it is! (screenshots from ABC 33/40 live stream)

(http://i.imgur.com/hN9c4UB.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/bOV5Kbj.png)

Looks like they did the ribbon cutting on the stretch that will eventually connect to US 31.  Do we have an ETA as to when that section might be complete?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on June 20, 2016, 02:43:28 PM
Just got back from driving it.  Didn't make it to the ribbon cutting cerimony, but drove soon after it opened.  I did take pictures, will post them later.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on June 20, 2016, 06:38:24 PM
A little history... http://alabamanewscenter.com/2016/06/20/22-finally-connects-birmingham-memphis/
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on June 20, 2016, 09:10:14 PM
Looks like Google Maps also updated to have I-22 signs across the highway, all the way to the Mississippi/Tennessee border.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on June 20, 2016, 09:51:42 PM
I went out and drove the new section this afternoon.  I've gotta admit...I never thought I'd see it completed.

A few observations:
1) Why does Alabama insist on using those dorky blue/white shields for U.S. 78?  I don't think I've seen them in any other state.
1a) Better yet, why does U.S. 78 still exist west of Birmingham, or even west of Atlanta?
2) The signage at Exit 85 at Graysville still lists U.S. 78 as the route, and Birmingham as the control city.  I saw a car from Arkansas taking this exit as I drove by.  Obviously the driver was unaware that the new route was open.
3) The remnants of the rumble strips at Exits 85 and Exit 93 are still there.
4) Westbound, the speed limit is now 70.  Eastbound, it's still 65, since the old signs haven't been taken down.
5) Still no mileage signs between exits.
6) At I-65, the control city for I-22 is Memphis, but at all on-ramps, the control city for WB I-22 is Jasper.  Why?  It reminds me of way back in the day when control cities along I-65 included Cullman, Clanton and Decatur.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Strider on June 20, 2016, 10:04:57 PM
any pictures or videos?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on June 21, 2016, 12:30:30 AM
Sorry, I wasn't able to take pictures.  Multitasking is not one of my talents.  :)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: amroad17 on June 21, 2016, 05:22:20 AM
Alabama is doing the Illinois thing.  Major interchanges--major cities.  Minor interchanges--more local cities.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on June 21, 2016, 07:16:23 AM
^ But they only do it along I-22.

The lack of mileage signs to major cities is one of the more annoying things about I-22 in Alabama.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: tdindy88 on June 21, 2016, 08:34:48 AM
Just be lucky that you have mileage signs, all of the new I-69 in Southern Indiana lacks those, plus a northern control city. I would imagine that eastbound I-22 at least had Birmingham mentioned prior to the connection with I-65 opening.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Voyager75 on June 21, 2016, 08:58:03 AM
I drove the route to Jasper last week and find the lack of updated and completed signage completely ridiculous but I shouldn't be surprised. Saw some 78 signs and missing signs altogether that should have had 22 shields. Officially been 22 for 2 years now. How long has this road been under construction? ALDOT should have sent crews from each division up and down the whole route months ago. Had them comb thru every sign to have new ones ordered, produced and installed before the ribbon cutting(which is a year and a half late technically). Like the 78 Birmingham sign in Graysville. Does that mean that they plan to return 78 to the old route and possibly add Sumiton under it? Add EAST to it at least? Or did they just waste money on a sign that has a number on it that may or may not exist anymore to confuse out of towners? They didn't even bother to have the ribbon cutting on the pavement in front of one of the BGS' for a good photo op. Just have it on the dirt in the lanes to US 31 that won't be completed for another 2 years.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Henry on June 21, 2016, 11:05:21 AM
I'm somewhat bothered by the fact that it will not go into TN, as US 78/Lamar Avenue will not become a freeway anytime soon. So while it may connect Birmingham to Memphis, it'll actually end just short of Memphis at the I-269 junction. Speaking of which, how is that project coming along?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on June 21, 2016, 12:09:50 PM
They didn't even bother to have the ribbon cutting on the pavement in front of one of the BGS' for a good photo op. Just have it on the dirt in the lanes to US 31 that won't be completed for another 2 years.

Maybe that just wasn't practical for safety reasons. The interstate is open and in use after all.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Jim on June 21, 2016, 01:01:29 PM
As I understand it from the discussion here, I-22 will end at the future I-269 in northern Mississippi.  It would make a lot more sense to me if I-22 would replace what will become I-269's southern connection to I-55/I-69 and end there.  I know it's just numbering and most people don't care, but if a 3di makes just as much or more sense as a 2di extension, why not?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Strider on June 21, 2016, 01:35:24 PM
It won't be the only one 2di that ends at 3di. See I-88 near Chicago. But it does make sense to just extend I-22 west to I-55/69. Oh well.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: wdcrft63 on June 21, 2016, 04:06:22 PM
It won't be the only one 2di that ends at 3di. See I-88 near Chicago. But it does make sense to just extend I-22 west to I-55/69. Oh well.
I agree. At the I-55/I-69/I-269 interchange, there will need to be signs "TO I-22" on the ramps to I-269 east. Might as well drop off the "TO."
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: The Ghostbuster on June 21, 2016, 05:56:56 PM
As if you didn't already know here are the 2-digit Interstates that end at a 3-digit Interstate:

Interstate 4: West end at Interstate 275
Interstate 22: West end at Interstate 269
Interstate 64: East end at Interstate 264 and Interstate 664
Interstate 76 (east): East end at Interstate 295
Interstate 87: South end at Interstate 278
Interstate 88 (west): East end at Interstate 290
Interstate 97: South end at unposted Interstate 595, North end at Interstate 695
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: swbrotha100 on June 22, 2016, 07:00:15 AM
As if you didn't already know here are the 2-digit Interstates that end at a 3-digit Interstate:

Interstate 4: West end at Interstate 275
Interstate 22: West end at Interstate 269
Interstate 64: East end at Interstate 264 and Interstate 664
Interstate 76 (east): East end at Interstate 295
Interstate 87: South end at Interstate 278
Interstate 88 (west): East end at Interstate 290
Interstate 97: South end at unposted Interstate 595, North end at Interstate 695

I-49 in Missouri ends at I-435/I-470.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Henry on June 22, 2016, 10:24:15 AM
And don't forget the eastern end of I-70 in MD, which is now at I-695.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: The Ghostbuster on June 22, 2016, 04:09:15 PM
Has Interstate 70 "officially" been truncated to Interstate 695? Or is the only indication it ends at 695 is that huge white sign?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on June 22, 2016, 05:03:11 PM
I think I got it all updated in OSM correctly; the free aerials are a bit out of date so I may have a few of the ramps slightly wrong but everything should be topologically right at least for routing etc.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on June 28, 2016, 08:36:34 AM
Just got back from driving it.  Didn't make it to the ribbon cutting cerimony, but drove soon after it opened.  I did take pictures, will post them later.

Just curious, did you have those pictures ready to post?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 02, 2016, 07:14:35 PM
Here are some pictures I took today of the new I-22/65 interchange: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10100310766528963.1073741934.78202701&type=1&l=cc3f36eaeb
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on July 02, 2016, 07:34:10 PM
Here are some pictures I took today of the new I-22/65 interchange: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10100310766528963.1073741934.78202701&type=1&l=cc3f36eaeb

I think it looks awesome. Is it going to need 3 lanes both directions though?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on July 02, 2016, 08:51:44 PM
I think it looks awesome. Is it going to need 3 lanes both directions though?

It matches the six lane design profile that extends west to AL 269 at Jasper. With the constant grades and truck volume it's probably going to be needed sooner than you'd otherwise think.

Trivia note: the overpasses in Jefferson County were actually built wide enough to add 2 additional lanes in the median without further bridgework.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: CobaltYoshi27 on July 02, 2016, 08:53:31 PM
I think it looks awesome. Is it going to need 3 lanes both directions though?

It matches the six lane design profile that extends west to AL 269 at Jasper. With the constant grades and truck volume it's probably going to be needed sooner than you'd otherwise think.

Trivia note: the overpasses in Jefferson County were actually built wide enough to add 2 additional lanes in the median without further bridgework.

I didn't think it would fill that quickly.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Voyager75 on July 04, 2016, 10:25:44 AM
So with the brand spanking new US 78 signs posted alongside with I-22 does that mean that 78 will be rerouted up I-65 and be concurrent with I-22 the whole route? Will it just make cameo appearances here and there as to not mess with the 78 routing into Memphis? Or just miscommunication within ALDOT as to where 78 should exist? Probably the latter...
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on July 04, 2016, 01:15:43 PM
Well, just my two cents worth, whenever the trunk portion is finished over to old US 31, it should be rerouted and run with 31 all the way down to the 3rd and 4th Avenue south exits on the Red Mountian Expressway. There it would get back on its original route through east Alabama.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: sparker on July 04, 2016, 01:59:43 PM
If I had to guess, I'd figure that using the short extension to US 31 for rerouting US 78 was the plan all along; leaving the original 78 west out of town as simply AL 5 for local or short-distance intraregional traffic.  Why else go to the trouble & expense of deploying the extension to begin with?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 04, 2016, 06:50:10 PM
Before Corridor X was supposed to be I-22, the plan was indeed to just route US 78 along it for the entire way and build the extension to US 31 so that US 78 could run concurrent with US 31 down to Birmingham. I am honestly not sure how ALDOT plans on handling it now.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rcm195 on July 04, 2016, 09:27:05 PM
My guess, Aldot won't do anything. They will just leave 78 a gig saw puzzle mess until the extension is finished. By the way, any ideas when that will be?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: The Ghostbuster on July 05, 2016, 06:01:09 PM
My vote would be to get rid of 78 between Memphis and Birmingham, but then again, I'm not in charge.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on July 05, 2016, 07:40:12 PM
Really it wouldn't be hard to run it up US 31 today; there'd be a short backtrack via the I-65 C/D roads but nothing too serious.

I suspect ALDOT has greater ambitions for the stub though. If the locals force their hand on moving 20/59 out of downtown it's a logical tie-in point for an alternative that would avoid the impacts to the neighborhoods along Finley.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Voyager75 on July 05, 2016, 07:51:30 PM
Well if ALDOT ever gets around to replacing the overhead assembly at the US 78 Arkadelphia Rd. exit on I-20/59 South that got knocked down a while back in that fatal accident involving a 18 wheeler we may get the answer. I assume it will have updated signage on it.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 05, 2016, 08:53:37 PM
Phase Two of the I-20/59 bridge replacement project involves, among revamping the I-20/59/65 interchange, adding a lane from the I-65 interchange west to US 78. Interestingly enough, the signage plans call for the BGS to only say US 78 west.

(http://i.imgur.com/Y4PheD9.png)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on July 05, 2016, 11:28:17 PM
Could you post a link to the sign spec sheets?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 06, 2016, 07:57:09 AM
Unfortunately I don't have a good way to pull just the signage plans from the file, so I will have to link to the entire set of plans. It is a massive file. Almost 1 GB. Here it is (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ueu5q44yrag86yg/20160122_Call_999_Plans%20I-20-59-65%20interchange%20revamp.pdf?dl=0)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on July 07, 2016, 04:29:13 PM
My vote would be to get rid of 78 between Memphis and Birmingham, but then again, I'm not in charge.

What would you call the road that remains...or are you suggesting it be destroyed?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: The Ghostbuster on July 07, 2016, 05:11:21 PM
I would have US 78 in Tennessee be just state highway 4. The rest of 78 would be Interstate 22, although I know that Interstate 22 will end at Interstate 269, I would have it go to the state line.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: sparker on July 07, 2016, 05:19:53 PM
If US 78 is removed from Mississippi, perhaps the remaining portion of the freeway from the I-22/269 interchange west to the TN state line could become MS 78, providing some form of numerical continuity. 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on July 07, 2016, 11:20:19 PM
Truth be told, west of Atlanta, US 78 serves no redeeming purpose.  Since both Georgia and Alabama use internal state routes (8 in Georgia, 4 in Alabama) to accompany US 78 and since US 78 has been supplanted by I-20 between Atlanta and Birmingham and I-22 between Birmingham and Olive Branch, they might as well both do away with the route. 

Mississippi: SR-178 has been the designation of "old" 78 for years.  Why mess up a good thing?
Alabama: Mississippi state line to Guin, no additional route number is needed, since AL-74 is routed on the former route between the state line and Hamilton, and 78 had a concurrency with US 43/278 between Hamilton and Guin.  Guin to Jasper: as sections of what is now I-22 were opened, the old route was designated as AL-118.  Jasper to west of downtown Birmingham: US 78 and AL-5 have shared a concurrency for years.  In anticipation of the completion of I-22, milepost markers were replaced, using AL-5 mileage rather than US 78 mileage.  East of downtown Birmingham to the Georgia state line: hello, AL-4.
Georgia: Alabama state line to Atlanta: use GA-8.  East of Atlanta to Charleston: use the US 78 designation.

Historically, Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia have not truncated US routes in favor of the Interstate highways they were replaced by, but in this case it makes too much sense not to.  Which is probably why I won't happen.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 08, 2016, 07:08:00 AM
Truth be told, west of Atlanta, US 78 serves no redeeming purpose.  Since both Georgia and Alabama use internal state routes (8 in Georgia, 4 in Alabama) to accompany US 78 and since US 78 has been supplanted by I-20 between Atlanta and Birmingham and I-22 between Birmingham and Olive Branch, they might as well both do away with the route. 

Mississippi: SR-178 has been the designation of "old" 78 for years.  Why mess up a good thing?
Alabama: Mississippi state line to Guin, no additional route number is needed, since AL-74 is routed on the former route between the state line and Hamilton, and 78 had a concurrency with US 43/278 between Hamilton and Guin.  Guin to Jasper: as sections of what is now I-22 were opened, the old route was designated as AL-118.  Jasper to west of downtown Birmingham: US 78 and AL-5 have shared a concurrency for years.  In anticipation of the completion of I-22, milepost markers were replaced, using AL-5 mileage rather than US 78 mileage.  East of downtown Birmingham to the Georgia state line: hello, AL-4.
Georgia: Alabama state line to Atlanta: use GA-8.  East of Atlanta to Charleston: use the US 78 designation.

Historically, Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia have not truncated US routes in favor of the Interstate highways they were replaced by, but in this case it makes too much sense not to.  Which is probably why I won't happen.

If US 78 is truncated, then I would be in favor of business loop I-22 in Jasper, Winfield/Guin, and Hamilton.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on July 08, 2016, 08:07:13 AM
Realistically, US 78 should be truncated.  Alternatively, though it would probably cause just as much confusion, US 78 could replace US 278 west of Atlanta.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 08, 2016, 04:42:16 PM
You are talking about four states that have kept the US Highways going.  The main arguement is that it provides for through alternative routing in case an alertnate may be needed. 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on July 08, 2016, 08:36:59 PM
As has been noted repeatedly before in this very thread, (a) moving US routes back onto inferior parallel routes, after they've been relocated onto a freeway, violates AASHTO policy and (b) the former US 78 routing in Mississippi is physically discontinuous in two places (and no longer signed as a state route in two others).

In this day and age of GPS-based routing, traffic diverted off an Interstate doesn't need a continuous route number to follow to avoid a short-term disruption, and in the event of a longer term diversion a TEMP I-22 (or TEMP I-20 east of Birmingham) would need to be signed for traffic getting around the closed section anyway.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on July 09, 2016, 07:56:43 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71
You are talking about four states that have kept the US Highways going.  The main arguement is that it provides for through alternative routing in case an alertnate may be needed.

However, in the vast majority of those states cases, they kept the U.S. route on the old roadway and didn't move it to the freeway/Interstate.  US 78 is a different situation, and as lordsutch noted, AASHTO would be violating their own policies if they approved moving US 78 back to the old roadway.

Quote from: lordsutch
In this day and age of GPS-based routing, traffic diverted off an Interstate doesn't need a continuous route number to follow to avoid a short-term disruption,

This.  And even if there was a desire for a signed route number, there's absolutely no reason why it would need to be a U.S. route.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on July 09, 2016, 11:47:58 AM
It has been known locally as 78 for a long time, so I don't get how changing it to 4 in Alabama would improve the situation unless it violates a rule, and even then it would be a disservice I think to be forced to do that because of the familiarity of the number 78. Alabama can formally (re)name it "Bankhead Hwy" and brand it as such more prominently, that would make more sense than bringing "4" out of the mothball/stealth closet to me.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on July 09, 2016, 07:58:55 PM
It has been known locally as 78 for a long time, so I don't get how changing it to 4 in Alabama would improve the situation unless it violates a rule, and even then it would be a disservice I think to be forced to do that because of the familiarity of the number 78. Alabama can formally (re)name it "Bankhead Hwy" and brand it as such more prominently, that would make more sense than bringing "4" out of the mothball/stealth closet to me.

Most of the route that's now part of I-22 hasn't been posted as part of US 78 for years, and none of it needs to be AL 4 west of Birmingham since there are existing, signed numbers in place already (AL 5 southeast of Jasper, AL 118 west of Jasper to Winfield, US 43 to Hamilton, and AL 74).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on July 09, 2016, 08:57:50 PM
It has been known locally as 78 for a long time, so I don't get how changing it to 4 in Alabama would improve the situation unless it violates a rule, and even then it would be a disservice I think to be forced to do that because of the familiarity of the number 78. Alabama can formally (re)name it "Bankhead Hwy" and brand it as such more prominently, that would make more sense than bringing "4" out of the mothball/stealth closet to me.

Most of the route that's now part of I-22 hasn't been posted as part of US 78 for years, and none of it needs to be AL 4 west of Birmingham since there are existing, signed numbers in place already (AL 5 southeast of Jasper, AL 118 west of Jasper to Winfield, US 43 to Hamilton, and AL 74).

Agreed.  Then again, Alabama needs to do away with all internal control routes on U.S. routes, since no state and US route numbers are duplicated.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 09, 2016, 09:13:05 PM
The whole moving a route back onto the former routes has already been approved several times.  This just occurred not to long ago in NC.  They moved US 117 back off of I-795 back to the old alignment.  TN moved US 31E off of I-65 back onto Gallatin Pike.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: hbelkins on July 10, 2016, 01:59:54 PM
You are talking about four states that have kept the US Highways going.  The main arguement is that it provides for through alternative routing in case an alertnate may be needed.

How likely is it going to be that a singularly numbered lengthy alternate route through multiple states will be necessary?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: LM117 on July 10, 2016, 08:34:44 PM
US 78 is a different situation, and as lordsutch noted, AASHTO would be violating their own policies if they approved moving US 78 back to the old roadway.

It wouldn't be the first time they went against their own rules. AASHTO approved moving US-117 in NC back to it's old alignment between Goldsboro and US-301 in Wilson and decommissioning US-117 Alternate after I-795 was signed.

http://route.transportation.org/Documents/USRNDecisiononNCAM2008Resubmissions.pdf (http://route.transportation.org/Documents/USRNDecisiononNCAM2008Resubmissions.pdf)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 10, 2016, 09:31:40 PM
Same thing in TN.  US 31E was moved off of I-65 and SR 386 and back on to a surface street, Gallatin Pike.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on July 11, 2016, 09:15:19 AM
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It wouldn't be the first time they went against their own rules. AASHTO approved moving US-117 in NC back to it's old alignment between Goldsboro and US-301 in Wilson and decommissioning US-117 Alternate after I-795 was signed.

Yes, I'm aware of that, and Avalachez also mentioned it.  This one may be a technicality, though, as ALT 117 was still technically a US route.  Not familiar enough with the Gallatin Pike scenario but yes it does appear they went against their own policy.  Not that that makes it right to do so, however.

But that has no bearing on the point myself and others made upthread about how you don't necessary need the parallel alternative route to be a US route.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on July 11, 2016, 10:16:26 AM
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It wouldn't be the first time they went against their own rules. AASHTO approved moving US-117 in NC back to it's old alignment between Goldsboro and US-301 in Wilson and decommissioning US-117 Alternate after I-795 was signed.

Yes, I'm aware of that, and Avalachez also mentioned it.  This one may be a technicality, though, as ALT 117 was still technically a US route.  Not familiar enough with the Gallatin Pike scenario but yes it does appear they went against their own policy.  Not that that makes it right to do so, however.

But that has no bearing on the point myself and others made upthread about how you don't necessary need the parallel alternative route to be a US route.


Unless something has changed, the old route of US 78 in Alabama should still be US 78 Alternate, of course it has never been signed that way.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on July 11, 2016, 12:39:35 PM
Unless something has changed, the old route of US 78 in Alabama should still be US 78 Alternate, of course it has never been signed that way.

I don't believe AASHTO actually approved that proposal by Alabama, hence why it's never been signed. (It wouldn't surprise me if some of the other examples up-thread weren't approved by, or ever even submitted to, AASHTO either.)
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: jdb1234 on July 11, 2016, 12:58:10 PM
Unless something has changed, the old route of US 78 in Alabama should still be US 78 Alternate, of course it has never been signed that way.

I don't believe AASHTO actually approved that proposal by Alabama, hence why it's never been signed. (It wouldn't surprise me if some of the other examples up-thread weren't approved by, or ever even submitted to, AASHTO either.)

The stretch from Birmingham to Jasper was approved in 2004 and then from Jasper to Hamilton in 2005.  That is, according to the AASHTO meetings archive.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Tourian on July 11, 2016, 05:06:03 PM
Most of the route that's now part of I-22 hasn't been posted as part of US 78 for years, and none of it needs to be AL 4 west of Birmingham since there are existing, signed numbers in place already (AL 5 southeast of Jasper, AL 118 west of Jasper to Winfield, US 43 to Hamilton, and AL 74).

What I am suggesting is to still let "5" be 5, but it is 78 all the way through Birmingham and beyond and then changes to 5 just as it crosses over 22 north of Graysville. So my suggestion means let it be cosigned with I-22 all the way to Memphis, where they call it 78 and Lamar Ave. I do not understand why this relatively small section warrants it to be changed or decommissioned just because 22 now exists to some people. If it devalues 22 (to be cosigned with a highway) as an interstate and/or is just nor proper procedure, I suppose I understand that too, but everybody knew going in that 22, was always going to be a super upgrade of 78 to get traffic efficiently between Birmingham and Memphis.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 11, 2016, 05:20:49 PM
I suppose I understand that too, but everybody knew going in that 22, was always going to be a super upgrade of 78 to get traffic efficiently between Birmingham and Memphis.

But the original intent for the entire corridor was to move US 78 onto the freeway once it was built. The freeway had mostly been built well before it was even thought of being designated as I-22.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 11, 2016, 08:46:02 PM
Unless something has changed, the old route of US 78 in Alabama should still be US 78 Alternate, of course it has never been signed that way.

I don't believe AASHTO actually approved that proposal by Alabama, hence why it's never been signed. (It wouldn't surprise me if some of the other examples up-thread weren't approved by, or ever even submitted to, AASHTO either.)

The stretch from Birmingham to Jasper was approved in 2004 and then from Jasper to Hamilton in 2005.  That is, according to the AASHTO meetings archive.

Why wasn't this signed in the field?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: MikeTheActuary on July 11, 2016, 10:06:22 PM
I drove the I-22 from Birmingham to Memphis Sunday, as part of a 7 day family business roadtrip I'm on.

A few observations:

In Alabama, for the reassurance sign assemblies, it looks like they just swapped out the old blue US 78 trailblazers and replaced them with I-22 shields.  There is no indication of US 78 existing on that alignment; it's now I-22/AL 4 (Corridor X).  However, in Mississippi, it looked like they just added an I-22 trailblazer either before or after the existing reassurance assemblies.

We popped off I-22 to get gas and make a bio break at Alabama exit 85, still signed as US 78 (the old 4 lane Bankhead Highway).  There really needs to be a requirement about signing distance to advertised services, and perhaps a tighter standard about how distant services may be to get signed, since we drove several miles to find the advertised gas station.  Returning, the exit from west bound US 78 to westbound I-22 is still mostly signed as being to US 78/AL 4/Corridor X.  It wouldn't surprise me if I-22 is thinly signed at several interchanges in Alabama.

Back in the day, I mostly didn't need to stop on US 78 between Memphis and Birmingham.  However, this trip I was traveling with my wife, who has health problems, and since the night before was a short one, I was consuming a significant amount of caffeine Saturday.  Those facts conspire to instill an appreciation for how sparse the services really are along I-22 in Alabama.  There are signs of new construction at some interchanges, however.

At the future interchange with I-269, I-22 westbound simply disappears.  No "END" sign....you just simply stop seeing I-22 trailblazers.   It could be my imagination, but much of the US 78 freeway between I-269 and the TN state line seems like it hasn't been upgraded since it was constructed, and I'd wonder if it would meet current Interstate standards.  I could be mistaken, however, some stretches of I-22 didn't seem significantly upgraded from what I remember as a frequent traveler of that highway 20ish years ago.

The I-22/I-269/US 78 interchange should be a nice one when complete.  It looked like the major overpasses and earth-moving for the interchange were done.

20ish years ago, I normally didn't take US 78 all the way into Memphis; I instead used TN 385 out to wherever it was built, and then local roads to cut down to US 78.  However, being a mindless follower of the GPS, I allowed myself to follow US 78 all the way up to Airways in Memphis.  There is a lot of development along Lamar between I-240 and the state line, including a large intermodal facility.  You really have to travel that stretch of road to gain a full appreciation for why TDOT is in no hurry to upgrade the road to interstate standards.  I'm sure that some of the panhandlers appreciate TDOT not being up to that challenge.  Since I'll probably be a regular traveler of that corridor again in a few months....I'm looking forward to I-269 being completed between I-22 and TN 385.

The legion of mindless followers of GPS might explain why traffic on I-22 between Jasper and Birmingham seemed so light.  My car's on-board navigation system doesn't know about I-22 and simply chose to be unhappy while traveling an allegedly nonexistent road.  I wonder if usage will seem low until the various satnav database updates propagate out into the wild.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on July 11, 2016, 11:38:46 PM
Back in the day, I mostly didn't need to stop on US 78 between Memphis and Birmingham.  However, this trip I was traveling with my wife, who has health problems, and since the night before was a short one, I was consuming a significant amount of caffeine Saturday.  Those facts conspire to instill an appreciation for how sparse the services really are along I-22 in Alabama.  There are signs of new construction at some interchanges, however.

Some of this is a function of I-22 being of much more recent vintage in Alabama; except for the Hamilton bypass, I-22 in Mississippi was basically complete before much of substance happened in Alabama. That said the lack of development and lack of rest areas combine to make it a drive where planning ahead helps.

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It could be my imagination, but much of the US 78 freeway between I-269 and the TN state line seems like it hasn't been upgraded since it was constructed, and I'd wonder if it would meet current Interstate standards.  I could be mistaken, however, some stretches of I-22 didn't seem significantly upgraded from what I remember as a frequent traveler of that highway 20ish years ago.

The shoulders were paved but beyond that MDOT didn't do much to the existing route except through New Albany (of course most of it is of recent enough vintage that MDOT was building it to near-current AASHTO rural freeway standards anyway). West of I-269 US 78 isn't particularly substandard except some narrow bridge shoulders due to being one of the earliest sections built.

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The legion of mindless followers of GPS might explain why traffic on I-22 between Jasper and Birmingham seemed so light.  My car's on-board navigation system doesn't know about I-22 and simply chose to be unhappy while traveling an allegedly nonexistent road.  I wonder if usage will seem low until the various satnav database updates propagate out into the wild.

Definitely a possibility, although Google Maps has been up-to-date since almost the day it opened. The OSM updates don't seem to have gotten into Scout yet though.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on July 12, 2016, 06:58:16 AM
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I-22 in Mississippi was basically complete before much of substance happened in Alabama.

In no small part because Mississippi put a good chunk of state dollars into it's segment, rather than fully wait for the Feds like Alabama did.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on July 12, 2016, 07:30:55 AM
In Alabama, for the reassurance sign assemblies, it looks like they just swapped out the old blue US 78 trailblazers and replaced them with I-22 shields.  There is no indication of US 78 existing on that alignment; it's now I-22/AL 4 (Corridor X).  However, in Mississippi, it looked like they just added an I-22 trailblazer either before or after the existing reassurance assemblies.

Last time I was on I-22 in Marion County, the US 78 signs were still in place, and I-22 was signed fairly well along the mainline and at the interchanges. In Walker County and in Jefferson County up to Graysville, I-22 has replaced the US 78 shields with no additional US 78 shields, or the US 78 shields were not replaced.

We popped off I-22 to get gas and make a bio break at Alabama exit 85, still signed as US 78 (the old 4 lane Bankhead Highway).  There really needs to be a requirement about signing distance to advertised services, and perhaps a tighter standard about how distant services may be to get signed, since we drove several miles to find the advertised gas station

Alabama has been getting extremely lax with posting specific service information off of freeway exits. Often I see nothing more than a sign on the freeway itself saying that the service can be found off of the exit. No directional arrows on the ramps, and certainly no distance to the service. I guess ALDOT thinks that with the advent of GPS and maps, this service is no longer needed as much.

At the future interchange with I-269, I-22 westbound simply disappears.  No "END" sign....you just simply stop seeing I-22 trailblazers.   It could be my imagination, but much of the US 78 freeway between I-269 and the TN state line seems like it hasn't been upgraded since it was constructed, and I'd wonder if it would meet current Interstate standards.  I could be mistaken, however, some stretches of I-22 didn't seem significantly upgraded from what I remember as a frequent traveler of that highway 20ish years ago.

There used to be a "FUTURE I-22 CORRIDOR" sign posted along US 78 just southeast of the TN state line, so I think it was the intention to sign the entire thing as I-22 before the AASHTO application was submitted.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on July 12, 2016, 11:37:09 PM
At the future interchange with I-269, I-22 westbound simply disappears.  No "END" sign....you just simply stop seeing I-22 trailblazers.

TrevorB dug up the signage plans for I-269 (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1329.msg2158051#msg2158051); on page 50 of the PDF, it shows that the Begin/End I-22 signs are part of the paving/signage contract. You can also see some of the other signage.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Georgia on July 14, 2016, 10:07:37 AM
I-22 is still the only place where i have gone #2 on the side of a road due to lack of services in western Alabama.
Had lunch in Tupelo and something did not sit right with my stomach.

that said, the services are coming slowly but surely.  I would have never dreamed of seeing that Holiday Inn opened on exit 26? a few years ago. 
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Rothman on July 15, 2016, 02:03:25 PM
I-22 is still the only place where i have gone #2 on the side of a road due to lack of services in western Alabama.
Had lunch in Tupelo and something did not sit right with my stomach.


TMI!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rte66man on July 16, 2016, 08:44:33 PM
I-22 is still the only place where i have gone #2 on the side of a road due to lack of services in western Alabama.
Had lunch in Tupelo and something did not sit right with my stomach.

Now THAT is a true bio break!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: noelbotevera on July 18, 2016, 02:44:36 AM
I-22 is still the only place where i have gone #2 on the side of a road due to lack of services in western Alabama.
Had lunch in Tupelo and something did not sit right with my stomach.


TMI!
Nah, that nuclear explosion happened decades ago.

I know what you mean. I have also done it in areas that don't really have anything. There is also that sudden urge to go #2.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: rte66man on July 20, 2016, 07:27:42 PM
I-22 is still the only place where i have gone #2 on the side of a road due to lack of services in western Alabama.
Had lunch in Tupelo and something did not sit right with my stomach.


TMI!
Nah, that nuclear explosion happened decades ago.

I know what you mean. I have also done it in areas that don't really have anything. There is also that sudden urge to go #2.

Sorry, I didn't realize the subject of this thread is now "Interstate #2"   :bigass:
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: noelbotevera on July 21, 2016, 03:40:41 AM
I-22 is still the only place where i have gone #2 on the side of a road due to lack of services in western Alabama.
Had lunch in Tupelo and something did not sit right with my stomach.


TMI!
Nah, that nuclear explosion happened decades ago.

I know what you mean. I have also done it in areas that don't really have anything. There is also that sudden urge to go #2.

Sorry, I didn't realize the subject of this thread is now "Interstate #2"   :bigass:
We can mention Interstate #1 if you'd like.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: sparker on July 21, 2016, 09:08:49 PM
I can't believe you folks are talking about the same old shit!  Someone took a dump alongside a freeway -- alert the media!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Avalanchez71 on July 21, 2016, 09:16:36 PM
So has anyone contacted ALDOT to ask how they are going to handle US 78?  I was looking at the SC website and US 29 mas moved off the freeway facility and back to the old road.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on October 04, 2016, 08:10:41 PM
Has construction started on the connection to US 31?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on October 05, 2016, 09:13:40 AM
Has construction started on the connection to US 31?

It hasn't. There is no time frame that I know of when that connection will be made.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: US71 on October 07, 2016, 11:38:26 PM
So has anyone contacted ALDOT to ask how they are going to handle US 78?  I was looking at the SC website and US 29 mas moved off the freeway facility and back to the old road.
Well, east of Jasper, 78 appears to split off 22, yet it's also co-signed east of there along 22,but "disappears" before I-65

SGH-I337

Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: US71 on October 08, 2016, 08:20:20 AM
I drove the I-22 from Birmingham to Memphis Sunday, as part of a 7 day family business roadtrip I'm on.

A few observations:

In Alabama, for the reassurance sign assemblies, it looks like they just swapped out the old blue US 78 trailblazers and replaced them with I-22 shields.  There is no indication of US 78 existing on that alignment; it's now I-22/AL 4 (Corridor X).  However, in Mississippi, it looked like they just added an I-22 trailblazer either before or after the existing reassurance assemblies.

We popped off I-22 to get gas and make a bio break at Alabama exit 85, still signed as US 78 (the old 4 lane Bankhead Highway).  There really needs to be a requirement about signing distance to advertised services, and perhaps a tighter standard about how distant services may be to get signed, since we drove several miles to find the advertised gas station.  Returning, the exit from west bound US 78 to westbound I-22 is still mostly signed as being to US 78/AL 4/Corridor X.  It wouldn't surprise me if I-22 is thinly signed at several interchanges in Alabama.

Back in the day, I mostly didn't need to stop on US 78 between Memphis and Birmingham.  However, this trip I was traveling with my wife, who has health problems, and since the night before was a short one, I was consuming a significant amount of caffeine Saturday.  Those facts conspire to instill an appreciation for how sparse the services really are along I-22 in Alabama.  There are signs of new construction at some interchanges, however.

At the future interchange with I-269, I-22 westbound simply disappears.  No "END" sign....you just simply stop seeing I-22 trailblazers.   It could be my imagination, but much of the US 78 freeway between I-269 and the TN state line seems like it hasn't been upgraded since it was constructed, and I'd wonder if it would meet current Interstate standards.  I could be mistaken, however, some stretches of I-22 didn't seem significantly upgraded from what I remember as a frequent traveler of that highway 20ish years ago.

The I-22/I-269/US 78 interchange should be a nice one when complete.  It looked like the major overpasses and earth-moving for the interchange were done.

20ish years ago, I normally didn't take US 78 all the way into Memphis; I instead used TN 385 out to wherever it was built, and then local roads to cut down to US 78.  However, being a mindless follower of the GPS, I allowed myself to follow US 78 all the way up to Airways in Memphis.  There is a lot of development along Lamar between I-240 and the state line, including a large intermodal facility.  You really have to travel that stretch of road to gain a full appreciation for why TDOT is in no hurry to upgrade the road to interstate standards.  I'm sure that some of the panhandlers appreciate TDOT not being up to that challenge.  Since I'll probably be a regular traveler of that corridor again in a few months....I'm looking forward to I-269 being completed between I-22 and TN 385.

The legion of mindless followers of GPS might explain why traffic on I-22 between Jasper and Birmingham seemed so light.  My car's on-board navigation system doesn't know about I-22 and simply chose to be unhappy while traveling an allegedly nonexistent road.  I wonder if usage will seem low until the various satnav database updates propagate out into the wild.
A little detective work seems to indicate 22 ends at the county line west of Byhalia. Last sign WB is just past 309. Exits are numbered beginning at Byhalia
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on October 08, 2016, 12:41:54 PM
A little detective work seems to indicate 22 ends at the county line west of Byhalia. Last sign WB is just past 309. Exits are numbered beginning at Byhalia

The signage plans for the I-269 paving project show I-22 starts/ends in the middle of the interchange (between the two I-269 mainline bridges), which is a few hundred feet west of the county line.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Voyager75 on October 08, 2016, 03:25:14 PM

Well, east of Jasper, 78 appears to split off 22, yet it's also co-signed east of there along 22,but "disappears" before I-65

SGH-I337
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When I drove up to Jasper early last week I took several exits to look at signage. Needless to say ALDOT has a big project on their hands if they want to properly sign the whole I-22/US-78/AL-5 corridor. 78 is going in all directions seems like in the Graysville area with no incentive to decide where 78 should be routed by ALDOT. In some places a new 22 sign was put up with the 78 sign left up just past the 22 sign. Signs are missing altogether at some on ramps to the interstate with just a directional sign on the pole. Some that are put up are worthy of The Worst of Road Signage thread. Disappointed to say the least in the quality control of our new Interstate.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Alex on October 09, 2016, 09:22:04 PM
When I drove up to Jasper early last week I took several exits to look at signage. Needless to say ALDOT has a big project on their hands if they want to properly sign the whole I-22/US-78/AL-5 corridor. 78 is going in all directions seems like in the Graysville area with no incentive to decide where 78 should be routed by ALDOT. In some places a new 22 sign was put up with the 78 sign left up just past the 22 sign. Signs are missing altogether at some on ramps to the interstate with just a directional sign on the pole. Some that are put up are worthy of The Worst of Road Signage thread. Disappointed to say the least in the quality control of our new Interstate.

In addition to the things cited above, you can add the lack of mileage signs, then the mileage signs referencing the next two exit destinations like Carbon Hill, Nauvoo, etc. in place of Memphis, Tupelo and Birmingham (until 28 miles or so out) that still needs addressing. With the exception of the newest section to the east, the mileposts are still the smaller style used typically on US and State Routes as well.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: vdeane on October 11, 2016, 07:53:35 PM
I think the mileage sign situation is an Alabama thing.  I noticed that their mileage signs tend to be "Vermont style", using the next exit and the next decent sized city rather than the most major cities.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on October 11, 2016, 10:47:34 PM
I think the mileage sign situation is an Alabama thing.  I noticed that their mileage signs tend to be "Vermont style", using the next exit and the next decent sized city rather than the most major cities.

Actually, this occurs only on I-22.  Control cities on other Interstates in Alabama:

10: Pensacola, Mobile, Pascagoula (it could be argued that New Orleans should be substituted, but since Mississippi doesn't, why should Alabama?)
20: Meridian (maybe Jackson should be substituted, but since Meridian is where 20 and 59 split, makes sense), Tuscaloosa (fifth largest metro in the state and home of the largest university in the state), Birmingham, Atlanta
59: Meridian, Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, Gadsden (OK, this one is a little sketchy, especially since Tennessee and Georgia use Birmingham), Chattanooga
65: Mobile, Montgomery, Birmingham, Huntsville, Nashville
85: Montgomery, Atlanta

IMHO, the only questionable control cities are Pascagoula and Gadsden. Everything else makes perfectly good sense.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: golden eagle on October 12, 2016, 12:33:16 AM
Pascagoula is a control city because when I-10 was under construction in Mississippi, motorists traveling westward from Mobile had to exit the interstate near Pascagoula. Of course that's no longer the case. I would be in favor of dropping Pascagoula for New Orleans and using Biloxi & Gulfport as secondary control cities.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on October 12, 2016, 08:03:08 AM
It may be worth it to email ALDOT if there are any plans to fix the mileage signs and control cities so that they are consistent across the route, as they are on the rest of the Alabama interstates. Ditto for US 78.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: vdeane on October 12, 2016, 01:49:38 PM
I think the mileage sign situation is an Alabama thing.  I noticed that their mileage signs tend to be "Vermont style", using the next exit and the next decent sized city rather than the most major cities.

Actually, this occurs only on I-22.  Control cities on other Interstates in Alabama:

10: Pensacola, Mobile, Pascagoula (it could be argued that New Orleans should be substituted, but since Mississippi doesn't, why should Alabama?)
20: Meridian (maybe Jackson should be substituted, but since Meridian is where 20 and 59 split, makes sense), Tuscaloosa (fifth largest metro in the state and home of the largest university in the state), Birmingham, Atlanta
59: Meridian, Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, Gadsden (OK, this one is a little sketchy, especially since Tennessee and Georgia use Birmingham), Chattanooga
65: Mobile, Montgomery, Birmingham, Huntsville, Nashville
85: Montgomery, Atlanta

IMHO, the only questionable control cities are Pascagoula and Gadsden. Everything else makes perfectly good sense.
I was talking mileage signs, not guide signs.  On I-59 south from the Georgia state line to Birmingham, the mileage signs are Fort Payne/Gadsden, Collinsville/Gadsden, Gadsden/Birmingham, Ashville/Birmingham, Springville/Birmingham, and Trussville/Birmingham.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Voyager75 on October 15, 2016, 10:09:55 AM
I also failed to mention that there is no indication of 22 existing on 65 Northbound until you get to the Daniel Payne exit with a 3/4 mileage sign. I realize they are about to completely rebuild the 20/59/65 area downtown so I assume they will instill all new signage with I-22 trailblazers for the truckers that might still be using Arkadelphia. 65 North could have at least some temp To-22 signs on a pole at the 20/59 Junction at least.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on October 17, 2016, 11:49:45 AM
I also failed to mention that there is no indication of 22 existing on 65 Northbound until you get to the Daniel Payne exit with a 3/4 mileage sign. I realize they are about to completely rebuild the 20/59/65 area downtown so I assume they will instill all new signage with I-22 trailblazers for the truckers that might still be using Arkedelphia. 65 North could have at least some temp To-22 signs on a pole at the 20/59 Junction at least.

There is a gantry on I-65 north that just has the pull through for I-65/Huntsville that I would assume was placed there to include a sign for I-22, but a sign has not been installed yet.

The signage plans I saw for the I-20/59/65 interchange revamp had no mention of I-22.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 06, 2016, 09:34:49 PM
I also failed to mention that there is no indication of 22 existing on 65 Northbound until you get to the Daniel Payne exit with a 3/4 mileage sign. I realize they are about to completely rebuild the 20/59/65 area downtown so I assume they will instill all new signage with I-22 trailblazers for the truckers that might still be using Arkedelphia. 65 North could have at least some temp To-22 signs on a pole at the 20/59 Junction at least.

There is a gantry on I-65 north that just has the pull through for I-65/Huntsville that I would assume was placed there to include a sign for I-22, but a sign has not been installed yet.

The signage plans I saw for the I-20/59/65 interchange revamp had no mention of I-22.
I would like it to say I-22, and maybe in the future, I-422!
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 06, 2016, 09:37:43 PM
Why did the Northern Beltway had to be numbered I-422? At the least I know, Birmingham is the only city that has a 2-digit interstate ending in it, and having a auxiliary highway in it. (Yes, I know New York has I-87/I-78, but they are spreader out in different communities) And yes, this includes Future and former routes.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Charles2 on November 06, 2016, 09:48:51 PM
Why did the Northern Beltway had to be numbered I-422? At the least I know, Birmingham is the only city that has a 2-digit interstate ending in it, and having a auxiliary highway in it. (Yes, I know New York has I-87/I-78, but they are spreader out in different communities) And yes, this includes Future and former routes.

Mobile has I-165, Savannah has I-516, Chattanooga has (now unsigned) I-124, Dallas has (unsigned) 345, Chicago has 355, San Diego has 805, Los Angeles has 110 and 710, Cleveland has 271, Montgomery will eventually have 685...

I would agree, though, that the 422 number doesn't make a lot sense.  Quite honestly, the route as it's designed now doesn't make a lot of sense.  That being said, if I had my druthers it would have been given either 259 or 659, or better yet, 459.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Revive 755 on November 06, 2016, 10:05:54 PM
IMHO the first choice for the number should have been a reference to the route the new corridor would be a bypass or alternative to, so I agree I-422 should be an I-x59. 

I also wouldn't consider it a big deal if a 2di also has one or more auxiliary routes in the same metro area that the 2di ends in.  If there was such a prohibition, it would be impossible to have any 3di's in San Diego, and extremely difficult to do so in a few other areas.  Sure I-165 in Mobile and I-124 in Chattanooga could become an I-110 and I-175, but doing so would require some odd 2di/3di overlaps.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 06, 2016, 11:11:04 PM
IMHO the first choice for the number should have been a reference to the route the new corridor would be a bypass or alternative to, so I agree I-422 should be an I-x59. 

I also wouldn't consider it a big deal if a 2di also has one or more auxiliary routes in the same metro area that the 2di ends in.  If there was such a prohibition, it would be impossible to have any 3di's in San Diego, and extremely difficult to do so in a few other areas.  Sure I-165 in Mobile and I-124 in Chattanooga could become an I-110 and I-175, but doing so would require some odd 2di/3di overlaps.
Interstate 165 was once to be Interstate 210, but was redesignated I-165 due to no connection to I-10 due to community opposition (the usual).
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on November 08, 2016, 07:30:54 AM
Why did the Northern Beltway had to be numbered I-422? At the least I know, Birmingham is the only city that has a 2-digit interstate ending in it, and having a auxiliary highway in it. (Yes, I know New York has I-87/I-78, but they are spreader out in different communities) And yes, this includes Future and former routes.

Don't forget the connector route between I-22 and I-422 that will be designated as I-622, if the road is ever built.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: froggie on November 08, 2016, 08:41:05 AM
Quote from: codyg1985
Don't forget the connector route between I-22 and I-422 that will be designated as I-6222, if the road is ever built.

FTFY.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 10, 2016, 09:13:24 PM
Why did the Northern Beltway had to be numbered I-422? At the least I know, Birmingham is the only city that has a 2-digit interstate ending in it, and having a auxiliary highway in it. (Yes, I know New York has I-87/I-78, but they are spreader out in different communities) And yes, this includes Future and former routes.

Don't forget the connector route between I-22 and I-422 that will be designated as I-622, if the road is ever built.
I didn't, I just didn't add it on the list.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Interstate 69 Fan on November 18, 2016, 07:40:56 PM
Is the connector to US 31 open yet?
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: Voyager75 on November 18, 2016, 11:35:57 PM
Is the connector to US 31 open yet?

If you want to walk on foot yes. I drove through there today and still no work beyond the I-65 overpasses. I don't think it will take that long to complete it if and when they actually start the work.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on November 19, 2016, 09:30:27 AM
Right now there are no immediate plans to build the connector to US 31.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: edwaleni on November 29, 2016, 09:10:22 PM
When I drove up to Jasper early last week I took several exits to look at signage. Needless to say ALDOT has a big project on their hands if they want to properly sign the whole I-22/US-78/AL-5 corridor. 78 is going in all directions seems like in the Graysville area with no incentive to decide where 78 should be routed by ALDOT. In some places a new 22 sign was put up with the 78 sign left up just past the 22 sign. Signs are missing altogether at some on ramps to the interstate with just a directional sign on the pole. Some that are put up are worthy of The Worst of Road Signage thread. Disappointed to say the least in the quality control of our new Interstate.

In addition to the things cited above, you can add the lack of mileage signs, then the mileage signs referencing the next two exit destinations like Carbon Hill, Nauvoo, etc. in place of Memphis, Tupelo and Birmingham (until 28 miles or so out) that still needs addressing. With the exception of the newest section to the east, the mileposts are still the smaller style used typically on US and State Routes as well.

As a past traveler of I-22, mileage signs, exit services (or lack there of) but the one thing I noticed, fewer cell towers.

Call me spoiled, but it was lacking in 2 places, a large spot between Birmingham and the AL state line, and past Tupelo, MS.  A few places would try to roam, but I would get messages from Cspire or CenturyLink.

I am sure all of the above will be resolved in the next 3-5 years, but in a world of near ubiquitous cell phone coverage for all the majors, this was the first large dead spots east of the Mississippi River I had seen since the 90's.  They may have resolved it by now.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: codyg1985 on November 30, 2016, 08:20:29 AM
The Loves in Jasper on the Sunday after Thanksgiving was slammed with people. There were lines getting into the restrooms.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: US71 on November 30, 2016, 04:19:06 PM
The Loves in Jasper on the Sunday after Thanksgiving was slammed with people. There were lines getting into the restrooms.
Loves is generally not known for having restrooms that accommodate more than 3-4 people at a time.
Title: Re: Interstate 22
Post by: lordsutch on December 01, 2016, 01:40:48 AM
The Loves in Jasper on the Sunday after Thanksgiving was slammed with people. There were lines getting into the restrooms.

Yep, it was a mess. Somehow I got in and out of the gas pump quickly, but I didn't even try to go inside.

On the other hand, the gas stations at Exit 30 (AL 129) didn't seem particularly busy driving by; they probably need to do a better job promoting their existence.

Call me spoiled, but it was lacking in 2 places, a large spot between Birmingham and the AL state line, and past Tupelo, MS.  A few places would try to roam, but I would get messages from Cspire or CenturyLink.

T-Mobile seems to have at least gotten a basic LTE network up along the entire route now, but Sprint is still iffy from Tupelo to Birmingham (west of Tupelo it's almost continuous LTE to Memphis) - there's a bit of LTE roaming on C Spire around Fulton (just one tower that's downtown, so it doesn't really help