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Title: Illinois notes
Post by: mgk920 on September 12, 2012, 02:19:57 PM
I drove down to Chicago yesterday (Tuesday, 2012-09-11) and noticed a few interesting items.

-IDOT has added the new MUTCD yellow outlines to the black 'target' background frames around its overhead mast-arm signal heads along US 41 (Skokie Highway) in Lake County.  Although I would have much preferred that the feds used white instead of yellow, as is the standard in Europe, they do look pretty nice and do make the signal heads much more visible, especially at night.  It will be easy to tell that there are signals at an intersection should the power fail at night, too.

-Chicagoland is lousy with Clearwiew, although a limited few FHWA BGSs still exist on the expressways, including some button copy.

-The badly overdue rebuilding of the north-south part of Wacker Drive in downtown Chicago is well under way with the forms for the southernmost couple of blocks now being constructed.  The parts farther north that are done look *fantastic* and it should be a great drive when all is done.  I'm not sure if it is expected to be done yet this year, but it might be close.

-Is the City of Chicago cutting back on the number of streetlights on their streets?  :-o  From the Sears Skydeck, some streets looked dimmer and less intensively lit than I remember the last time that I was there, even though those streets still used high-pressure sodium-vapor lamps.

Mike
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: sipes23 on September 12, 2012, 10:24:23 PM
I saw the earthmovers headed up the hill in Algonquin yesterday. Work has begun on the IL 31 bypass around downtown Algonquin. It is supposed to cause lane closures on IL 62, but I've not seen them yet. Work should finish in 2014.

http://www.algonquin.org/egov/docs/1293659786178.htm

I also had the chance encounter with the IL 60/83 closure at the CN tracks in Mundelein last night. If you're familiar with the area, finding a sensible detour should be easy enough. Otherwise consult Google maps. The suggested detour looks pretty rough.

http://www.lakecountyil.gov/Transportation/Roadwork/ConstDocuments/ILRte60_ILRte83_EJ_ERRPressRelease.pdf
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SSOWorld on September 13, 2012, 05:03:16 PM
Mike - They are putting in HIDs all over and are now preferring flat bottoms of the heads over the jutting out covers they have used forever.  I don't think they reduced the density of lamp posts.  Recall they had those lights on two streets for some time (1 being LSD).

I saw the yellow borders on IL 173 traffic light heads.

I drove down to Chicago yesterday (Tuesday, 2012-09-11) and noticed a few interesting items.

-IDOT has added the new MUTCD yellow outlines to the black 'target' background frames around its overhead mast-arm signal heads along US 41 (Skokie Highway) in Lake County.  Although I would have much preferred that the feds used white instead of yellow, as is the standard in Europe, they do look pretty nice and do make the signal heads much more visible, especially at night.  It will be easy to tell that there are signals at an intersection should the power fail at night, too.

-Chicagoland is lousy with Clearwiew, although a limited few FHWA BGSs still exist on the expressways, including some button copy.

-The badly overdue rebuilding of the north-south part of Wacker Drive in downtown Chicago is well under way with the forms for the southernmost couple of blocks now being constructed.  The parts farther north that are done look *fantastic* and it should be a great drive when all is done.  I'm not sure if it is expected to be done yet this year, but it might be close.

-Is the City of Chicago cutting back on the number of streetlights on their streets?  :-o  From the Sears Skydeck, some streets looked dimmer and less intensively lit than I remember the last time that I was there, even though those streets still used high-pressure sodium-vapor lamps.

Mike
http://wackerdrive.net/project-schedule/

End of 2012.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: sipes23 on October 04, 2012, 11:33:54 AM
I ran across some construction on IL176 in Wauconda that didn't have an immediately apparent purpose. Some digging turned up that there is a bicycle tunnel being put under the road. Maybe I need to check out their bike trail system over there too. In the spring.

Lake County has a very thorough website for their transportation department. Here are the construction projects.

http://www.lakecountyil.gov/TRANSPORTATION/Pages/ConstructionProjects.aspx
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Mdcastle on October 23, 2012, 04:13:11 PM
In some areas they're replacing high pressure sodium vapor with metal halide too, which looks "dimmer" too me even at apparently equivalent lumens. I've yet to see an LED in chicagoland.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: sandwalk on November 02, 2012, 09:49:10 PM
Some updates from the Rockford area:

Illinois Route 173 in Machesney Park, which has had massive commercial development within the past 5 or so years (not surprisingly, after the I-90 exit opened), is now 4 lanes from Illinois 251 to near the Rockford Speedway.  The last phase of the project will make the road 4 lanes out to the Tollway....good news with traffic counts exceeding 30,000 vehicles per day.
http://www.wrex.com/story/19927731/173-road-construction-set-to-finish-november-1

Illinois Route 2 construction continues between Rockford and Rockton.  A new, 4-lane divided highway will replace the existing 2-lane road (which will become an east side frontage road).  This new section of highway is from of Bauer Pkwy (Toll Bridge) to just north of Latham Road.  The new approximately 3 mile highway is already paved with traffic lights in place....not sure of the exact opening date.  After this stretch is opened, nearly 18 of the 21 miles of Illinois 2 from Beloit south to the Chicago Rockford International Airport will be 4 or more lanes.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on October 26, 2013, 10:13:22 PM
Dusting off this thread since I don't believe the two points below warrant starting a new thread:

* On WB I-90 there is a 'speed enforced by aircraft' sign a short distance west of IL 59 with a symbol that appeared more like a predator drone than an aircraft - or could be I didn't get a good look at the sign.

* The I-90 interchange with IL 47 is almost complete.  The new WB I-90 to SB IL 47 loop ramp is open.  The permanent(?) BGS's on WB I-90 approaching the interchange are up with the the I-Pass Only/Cash not accepted part mostly covered.  The signs lack an exit number.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on October 27, 2013, 09:10:19 AM
This week, the installs of the exit gore signs with EXIT NUMBERS was completed on I-355.

Couple of interesting notes. First, the collector lane gore sign for SB 355 to IL 56 Butterfield Rd and I-88 is initially signed "Ramp 22". The exit for Butterfield is just a regular Exit 22 but there is no exit number for the I-88 ramps.

Secondly, NB 355 approaching I-88 and US 34 Ogden Ave, the I-88 ramp says "Ramp 20A" and Ogden Ave is "Exit 20B". The odd thing though is SB 355 to Ogden Ave is "Exit 19" even though the interchange with Ogden Ave is a regular full diamond.

The Exit tabs on the BGSs have not been added yet to the toll section of 355.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: UNDSIOUX on November 01, 2013, 05:25:53 AM
FYI- as a regular user of I-90/I-39, the eastbound/southbound traffic between South Beloit and Rockton Road is now using the new pavement and you are no longer squeezed in sharing the westbound/northbound lanes.  The third lane is still not open (on both sides) and there are plenty of barriers to move as well as restriping on both sides, but I don't see them taking more than a week or two to finish this.   

But I fear they will drag this out and those 55 MPH signs will remain posted until Turkey Day travel week. :banghead: 
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on November 01, 2013, 10:18:47 AM
IL 47 reconstruction and add-lanes through Yorkville is well underway with the old retaining wall by the courthouse gone (the wall was an ugly landmark) and several buildings removed.  Most of the big storm sewer has been put in place on the south side of the Fox River, and new Northbound concrete pavement is in place for several blocks (traffic is still squeezed to the west side with about 18 feet of clearance for both lanes).  Like the previous IL 47 project in Huntley, it's a nice drive-through if you're looking for construction activity, but a route you'd want to avoid in the AM and PM if you're just travelling.

Later this month, IDOT will be taking bids for reconstruction and adding lanes to IL 47 in Grundy County, from Morris north to the county line.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on November 01, 2013, 10:45:37 AM
IL 47 reconstruction and add-lanes through Yorkville is well underway with the old retaining wall by the courthouse gone (the wall was an ugly landmark) and several buildings removed.  Most of the big storm sewer has been put in place on the south side of the Fox River, and new Northbound concrete pavement is in place for several blocks (traffic is still squeezed to the west side with about 18 feet of clearance for both lanes).  Like the previous IL 47 project in Huntley, it's a nice drive-through if you're looking for construction activity, but a route you'd want to avoid in the AM and PM if you're just travelling.

Later this month, IDOT will be taking bids for reconstruction and adding lanes to IL 47 in Grundy County, from Morris north to the county line.

I've noticed (I work in Yorkville, south of downtown), and I try to avoid that area whenever possible.  It can take as long a half an hour to get through downtown Yorkville right now due to the construction.  It will be nice when finished, and I have noticed concrete being laid just south of the bridge.  The best detour route is to go east on IL-71 to Orchard Road, and then back west on US-34.

IL-47 really needs the widening, but the Prairie Parkway would've been a great addition for the increasing truck traffic.  I predict that IL-47, merely widened by itself, will be outdated and overburdened within five years.  It's a popular truck route from the intermodal yards in Joliet and Elwood to I-88 and north.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on November 01, 2013, 02:59:00 PM
I've noticed (I work in Yorkville, south of downtown), and I try to avoid that area whenever possible.  It can take as long a half an hour to get through downtown Yorkville right now due to the construction.  It will be nice when finished, and I have noticed concrete being laid just south of the bridge.  The best detour route is to go east on IL-71 to Orchard Road, and then back west on US-34.

IL-47 really needs the widening, but the Prairie Parkway would've been a great addition for the increasing truck traffic.  I predict that IL-47, merely widened by itself, will be outdated and overburdened within five years.  It's a popular truck route from the intermodal yards in Joliet and Elwood to I-88 and north.

There is also increased engineering activity in other parts of the IL 47 corridor.  In District 3, IDOT is working on design plans for IL 47 from Grundy County line to Caton Farm Road, planning studies for IL 47 from Caton Farm to IL 71 and also from north Yorkville to Sugar Grove, and the tollway is moving fast on designing the IL 47 and I-88 conversion to a full-access interchange.  In District 1, IDOT continues with planning studies for the Huntley to Woodstock and through Woodstock sections, and Kane County seems to be moving to build the Anderson Road bypass (which could have been an IL 47 re-route around the east side of Elburn if development hadn't blocked the south connection).
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: JREwing78 on November 02, 2013, 11:07:40 PM
FYI- as a regular user of I-90/I-39, the eastbound/southbound traffic between South Beloit and Rockton Road is now using the new pavement and you are no longer squeezed in sharing the westbound/northbound lanes.  The third lane is still not open (on both sides) and there are plenty of barriers to move as well as restriping on both sides, but I don't see them taking more than a week or two to finish this.   

But I fear they will drag this out and those 55 MPH signs will remain posted until Turkey Day travel week. :banghead: 


That's great news. I was getting tired of driving out of my way to avoid this stretch.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on November 14, 2013, 10:13:29 PM
There is also increased engineering activity in other parts of the IL 47 corridor.  In District 3, IDOT is working on design plans for IL 47 from Grundy County line to Caton Farm Road, planning studies for IL 47 from Caton Farm to IL 71 and also from north Yorkville to Sugar Grove, and the tollway is moving fast on designing the IL 47 and I-88 conversion to a full-access interchange.  In District 1, IDOT continues with planning studies for the Huntley to Woodstock and through Woodstock sections, and Kane County seems to be moving to build the Anderson Road bypass (which could have been an IL 47 re-route around the east side of Elburn if development hadn't blocked the south connection).

I think there was a request for consulting services from IDOT for contract plans for IL 47 through Woodstock recently, with a note that the project had many multi-lane roundabouts.

Anderson Road between IL 38 and Keslinger Road was on a state letting not that long ago; can't remember which one.


The print edition of the Daily Herald today (not finding an article online yet) mentioned in an article that ISTHA would study extending the fourth lane on I-355 south from 75th Street to the Boughton Road Toll Plaza.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on November 14, 2013, 11:51:54 PM
There is also increased engineering activity in other parts of the IL 47 corridor.  In District 3, IDOT is working on design plans for IL 47 from Grundy County line to Caton Farm Road, planning studies for IL 47 from Caton Farm to IL 71 and also from north Yorkville to Sugar Grove, and the tollway is moving fast on designing the IL 47 and I-88 conversion to a full-access interchange.  In District 1, IDOT continues with planning studies for the Huntley to Woodstock and through Woodstock sections, and Kane County seems to be moving to build the Anderson Road bypass (which could have been an IL 47 re-route around the east side of Elburn if development hadn't blocked the south connection).

I think there was a request for consulting services from IDOT for contract plans for IL 47 through Woodstock recently, with a note that the project had many multi-lane roundabouts.

Anderson Road between IL 38 and Keslinger Road was on a state letting not that long ago; can't remember which one.


The print edition of the Daily Herald today (not finding an article online yet) mentioned in an article that ISTHA would study extending the fourth lane on I-355 south from 75th Street to the Boughton Road Toll Plaza.

they should also add one up to I-290
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: UNDSIOUX on November 19, 2013, 07:30:35 PM
FYI- as a regular user of I-90/I-39, the eastbound/southbound traffic between South Beloit and Rockton Road is now using the new pavement and you are no longer squeezed in sharing the westbound/northbound lanes.  The third lane is still not open (on both sides) and there are plenty of barriers to move as well as restriping on both sides, but I don't see them taking more than a week or two to finish this.   

But I fear they will drag this out and those 55 MPH signs will remain posted until Turkey Day travel week. :banghead:


FYI- as of this afternoon, all three lanes on WB90/NB39 are open from the toll plaza at Rockton Rd. to the stateline and the limit is back up to 65 MPH.  Looked like the same on the other side but I was unable to confirm (we'll see tomorrow morning).    :colorful:  No more construction- winter must be on the way!!

Looking forward to one construction-free year on my I-90 commute  (haven't had many of those in the last 7 years)... then Sconnie's turn to widen the section from Beloit to Janesville beginning in 2015.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: JREwing78 on November 20, 2013, 12:16:22 AM
FYI- as a regular user of I-90/I-39, the eastbound/southbound traffic between South Beloit and Rockton Road is now using the new pavement and you are no longer squeezed in sharing the westbound/northbound lanes.  The third lane is still not open (on both sides) and there are plenty of barriers to move as well as restriping on both sides, but I don't see them taking more than a week or two to finish this.   

But I fear they will drag this out and those 55 MPH signs will remain posted until Turkey Day travel week. :banghead: 


That's great news. I was getting tired of driving out of my way to avoid this stretch.

Crap, you're talking about the short non-tolled stretch just south of the Wisconsin line, not the 40+ mile construction zone east of Rockford, right?

Considering that I'm getting really sick of taking I-88 into Chicago, I looked up the status on the Illinois Tollway website. It appears they've reintroduced 2 EBD lanes of traffic on the newly-rebuilt EBD carriageway, albeit at a 55mph speed limit.

WBD is still a clusterf*** until the end of December (2 narrow lanes WBD, except for the single-lane around Belvidere), when they're supposed to be done with WBD construction until the spring.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: silverback1065 on November 20, 2013, 12:43:35 AM
has the lake shore drive extension opened?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: mgk920 on November 20, 2013, 01:55:23 AM
has the lake shore drive extension opened?

It's not an 'extension', per se, but rather a new section of boulevard well disconnected from the rest.  Bypassing a serpentine former street section of US 41, it opened several weeks ago.

Mike
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: UNDSIOUX on November 20, 2013, 06:04:44 PM
Yep- I meant only the I-39/90 stretch down to Cherry Valley.  Obviously, I turn off at the split and I won't even attempt to drive the I-90 stretch until it is completed for the same reason I didn't drive I-90 for almost 2 years while it was under construction from Cherry Valley up to Rockton Rd.  The whole "Trucks Keep Left" and 45 MPH limit- I have no idea why they simply cannot post signs that say "Slow Traffic Keep LEFT- Pass on the right".  It is amazing that these DOT "engineers" promote the weaving that occurs as people go around slow trucks in the left lane and the slow cars in the right lane.  It's just a recipe for impatience and stupidity and I have a tough time dealing with that for a couple miles, let alone 40+.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on November 20, 2013, 10:53:39 PM
^^ The trucks are kept to the left as those lanes are better supported for carrying their weight through the construction zone.  The right lanes tend to be temporary and not full depth.  Thus, they are only capable of carrying lighter loads such as passenger cars.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on November 21, 2013, 08:01:03 PM
Yep- I meant only the I-39/90 stretch down to Cherry Valley.  Obviously, I turn off at the split and I won't even attempt to drive the I-90 stretch until it is completed for the same reason I didn't drive I-90 for almost 2 years while it was under construction from Cherry Valley up to Rockton Rd.  The whole "Trucks Keep Left" and 45 MPH limit- I have no idea why they simply cannot post signs that say "Slow Traffic Keep LEFT- Pass on the right".  It is amazing that these DOT "engineers" promote the weaving that occurs as people go around slow trucks in the left lane and the slow cars in the right lane.  It's just a recipe for impatience and stupidity and I have a tough time dealing with that for a couple miles, let alone 40+.

they need to make the more rual / interstate class roads work zone speed limit 50-55 MPH
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on November 21, 2013, 09:28:55 PM
Yep- I meant only the I-39/90 stretch down to Cherry Valley.  Obviously, I turn off at the split and I won't even attempt to drive the I-90 stretch until it is completed for the same reason I didn't drive I-90 for almost 2 years while it was under construction from Cherry Valley up to Rockton Rd.  The whole "Trucks Keep Left" and 45 MPH limit- I have no idea why they simply cannot post signs that say "Slow Traffic Keep LEFT- Pass on the right".  It is amazing that these DOT "engineers" promote the weaving that occurs as people go around slow trucks in the left lane and the slow cars in the right lane.  It's just a recipe for impatience and stupidity and I have a tough time dealing with that for a couple miles, let alone 40+.

they need to make the more rual / interstate class roads work zone speed limit 50-55 MPH

There's no reason for anything less than 60 when workers are not present or are behind a concrete barrier wall.  This 45 mph crap is just that, crap.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: JREwing78 on November 21, 2013, 09:35:28 PM
The 45mph limit in the currently I-90 construction zone east of Rockford made sense - the lanes were REALLY narrow, which makes it tricky to drive with 10ft wide semis struggling to stay on their side of the line. I only nudged my speed up to 50-55 just to more closely match the speed of traffic.
Title: Re: Illinois Notes
Post by: JoePCool14 on February 27, 2014, 09:51:45 PM
This week, the installs of the exit gore signs with EXIT NUMBERS was completed on I-355.

Couple of interesting notes. First, the collector lane gore sign for SB 355 to IL 56 Butterfield Rd and I-88 is initially signed "Ramp 22". The exit for Butterfield is just a regular Exit 22 but there is no exit number for the I-88 ramps.

Secondly, NB 355 approaching I-88 and US 34 Ogden Ave, the I-88 ramp says "Ramp 20A" and Ogden Ave is "Exit 20B". The odd thing though is SB 355 to Ogden Ave is "Exit 19" even though the interchange with Ogden Ave is a regular full diamond.

The Exit tabs on the BGSs have not been added yet to the toll section of 355.


Wait does this mean that ISTHA is adding Exit Numbers to all highways? Or just 355?

* Interstate 90 east of Rockford: construction going on there. Some new signs have been installed on the South side of the tollway. Some signs feature exit tabs with numbers while others do not. Also, certain old ISTHA signs are still remaining. It's very confusing to me. Anyone have any insight to this?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on February 27, 2014, 10:10:41 PM
^^ ISTHA is in the process of replacing the signs along I-90 as the road is rebuilt.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SSOWorld on February 28, 2014, 06:54:26 AM
In the end - they have essentially given in to the pressure.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: roadman65 on March 06, 2014, 07:59:48 PM
When did they remove the old brown gantries on I-290 near Chicago?  I was on GSV and noticed that they are all typical now instead of the fancy design of before.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tdindy88 on March 06, 2014, 08:39:44 PM
According to the pictures I took along the Eisenhower from last summer (I-290 from the Tri-State to the Circle) there were still at least several brown gantries going eastbound and probably about the same going west. Honestly I saw more signs on bridges than on newer styles of gantries.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on March 07, 2014, 06:55:28 AM
When did they remove the old brown gantries on I-290 near Chicago?  I was on GSV and noticed that they are all typical now instead of the fancy design of before.

Which part?  I-290 still has a bunch of them, particularly on the Extension and Route 53 sections.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on March 09, 2014, 03:05:21 PM
When did they remove the old brown gantries on I-290 near Chicago?  I was on GSV and noticed that they are all typical now instead of the fancy design of before.

Brown ones are still up mainly west of I-294. Once you get to the Hillside interchange, you start seeing the normal gantries, with an isolated brown one here or there.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SSOWorld on March 09, 2014, 07:03:13 PM
When did they remove the old brown gantries on I-290 near Chicago?  I was on GSV and noticed that they are all typical now instead of the fancy design of before.

Brown ones are still up mainly west of I-294. Once you get to the Hillside strangler, you start seeing the normal gantries, with an isolated brown one here or there.
FTFY  :happy:
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: nwi_navigator_1181 on March 16, 2014, 11:55:51 PM
So long, Des Plaines Oasis.

The over-the-tollway portion has closed for good earlier this evening (3-16-2014), as it will be torn down to make way for the reconstruction and widening of the Addams (I-90) between Elgin and O'Hare. If I remember correctly, the gas station portions will remain open, but they're on borrowed time as well; they will be removed to make way for the Elgin-O'Hare Bypass in a few years.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 19, 2014, 06:15:07 PM
Why? Why? WHY?!?!!?  :confused:  :banghead:  :pan: LoL Whatever.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Gnutella on March 20, 2014, 05:11:25 AM
A long time ago I was on I-55/I-72 in Springfield, and I noticed the old signs for Exit 96B and Exit 94 had small pieces on the bottom that read "Springfield." I just looked on Google Streetview and they're gone. In fact, one of the replacement signs looks like an exit sign in Georgia (Exit 96B NB/EB).

Dam. :-(
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Henry on March 20, 2014, 03:27:16 PM
When did they remove the old brown gantries on I-290 near Chicago?  I was on GSV and noticed that they are all typical now instead of the fancy design of before.

Brown ones are still up mainly west of I-294. Once you get to the Hillside interchange, you start seeing the normal gantries, with an isolated brown one here or there.
Reminds me of what was recently done on I-95 in Baltimore, when MD started putting up Clearview-font signs on shiny new gantries. Without the brown ones that were there before, it's now another less charming urban drive. And I've also been told that some of the matching brown high-mast poles that accompanied the old gantries have also been replaced by dull-gray variants that appear to be the norm for this type of lighting.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SSOWorld on March 20, 2014, 09:30:06 PM
Exit tabs beginning to appear along I-90 toll road southbound only mostly on side signs but a few bridge signs have them too. Gore point signs do have them. Down side - yellow "TOLL" banners are being placed on the highway trailblazers. WHY??? you're already on the road - it's too late!!
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: nwi_navigator_1181 on March 20, 2014, 11:30:35 PM
Exit tabs beginning to appear along I-90 toll road southbound only mostly on side signs but a few bridge signs have them too. Gore point signs do have them. Down side - yellow "TOLL" banners are being placed on the highway trailblazers. WHY??? you're already on the road - it's too late!!

Forgive my ignorance, but we're talking about the Addams Tollway, yes? Obviously, it is for the Addams. I do not even know why I asked this. Also, I thought such would be the case, as I mentioned it in a thread a while back. Another big step toward universal mileage integration, a must for the Illinois Tollway system.

Also, I'm pretty sure they put the yellow "TOLL" banners on the signs in case drivers want to cut their losses and bail out. :)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SSOWorld on March 21, 2014, 12:58:26 PM
Exit tabs beginning to appear along I-90 toll road southbound only mostly on side signs but a few bridge signs have them too. Gore point signs do have them. Down side - yellow "TOLL" banners are being placed on the highway trailblazers. WHY??? you're already on the road - it's too late!!

Forgive my ignorance, but we're talking about the Addams Tollway, yes? Obviously, it is for the Addams. I do not even know why I asked this. Also, I thought such would be the case, as I mentioned it in a thread a while back. Another big step toward universal mileage integration, a must for the Illinois Tollway system.

Also, I'm pretty sure they put the yellow "TOLL" banners on the signs in case drivers want to cut their losses and bail out. :)
where they're at is a point where its too late to bail out. (already on the toll road)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on April 16, 2014, 10:13:29 PM
ISTHA has finally added some maps for the new ramps on I-90 at Roselle and Meacham Roads, plus other work along the corridor.   (http://www.illinoistollway.com/construction-and-planning/projects-by-roadway/jane-addams-memorial-tollway-i-90)

First I've heard of the Geona Road interchange being changed from a trumpet to a folded diamond.  Link to map (http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/e85ee017-1a06-48a1-aa1b-f79b4fe07374)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on April 18, 2014, 12:53:00 PM

First I've heard of the Geona Road interchange being changed from a trumpet to a folded diamond.  Link to map (http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/e85ee017-1a06-48a1-aa1b-f79b4fe07374)

It makes sense though now that they have made the Belvidere Plaza EB only and there is no toll collected on that set of ramps.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SSOWorld on April 18, 2014, 06:24:16 PM
ISHTA's ultimate plan is to turn the double trumpet "Toll booth trap" interchanges (Genoa Rd, State St, US 20 for example) into diamonds or folded diamonds.  State's not being changed though.  There's too much occupied real estate around it.  Looked to me like US 20 isn't being modified either.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on April 19, 2014, 08:38:18 AM
ISHTA's ultimate plan is to turn the double trumpet "Toll booth trap" interchanges (Genoa Rd, State St, US 20 for example) into diamonds or folded diamonds.  State's not being changed though.  There's too much occupied real estate around it.  Looked to me like US 20 isn't being modified either.

Actually, I would leave the State St interchange as is because of the amount of traffic already on State St. Another light there is a bad idea.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on April 19, 2014, 11:20:38 PM

^ Might be able to turn it into a SPUI with lots of retaining wall and get better spacing between the stoplights on State Street for I-39/I-90 and Lyford Road.  ISTHA doesn't like SPUIs however.

If ISTHA wants to get rid of the trumpet "Toll booth trap" interchanges, I'm surprised they are not trying to change the Hampshire Interchange (US 20) into a diamond or folded diamond.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on April 21, 2014, 07:40:51 AM
^ But neither State St interchange nor the Hampshire interchange have toll booths on them. So unless there is an actual design flaw for that kind of interchange in either area, why change either of them? The Cherry Valley trumpet did need changing because you were dealing with an Interstate to freeway/now Interstate connection.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: cwm1276 on April 21, 2014, 08:36:18 AM
I would assume it has to do with the extra bridge for the trumpet. At Genoa the land is cheaper than the bridge and it does not need a tollbooth any more.  At State and Hampshire, development and the cut for US 20 at Hampshire.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on May 30, 2014, 06:34:20 PM
IDOT will be holding a public meeting for the study on rebuilding/widening I-55 through Springfield on June 3.  Source (http://i55springfield.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8&Itemid=15)

On this week's update of ISTHA's Letting Schedule, (http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/15912/Bid+Letting+Schedule.pdf) the outside mainline roadway work on I-90 and the ramps at Meacham are listed (second page, sixth project from bottom).  Given the completion date, I wonder if they are attempting to get the Meacham ramps (WB Exit, WB Entrance) open before the start of the Christmas shopping season?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on May 31, 2014, 12:57:15 PM
I saw the beginnings of the new flyover ramps at Thorndale and 290 for the Elgin-O'Hare. Reminds me of when they began to build the 355 interchange (hopefully the EOH won't become a 355 standstill project due to funds running out)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: nwi_navigator_1181 on May 31, 2014, 02:13:28 PM
I saw the beginnings of the new flyover ramps at Thorndale and 290 for the Elgin-O'Hare. Reminds me of when they began to build the 355 interchange (hopefully the EOH won't become a 355 standstill project due to funds running out)

I don't think that will be an issue since the Tollway Authority is fronting most of the funds for the EOH extension/bypass project. True, it's not an endless cash flow, but ISTHA seems to handle their funds decently.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on May 31, 2014, 10:42:45 PM
^IMHO, I think the IL 390/EOH part is almost guaranteed to be completed.  It's the West Bypass and the improvements on I-294 between the West Bypass and the US 20/IL 64 interchange that I would expect to face any delays or cancellations.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on June 01, 2014, 12:22:14 AM
I saw the beginnings of the new flyover ramps at Thorndale and 290 for the Elgin-O'Hare. Reminds me of when they began to build the 355 interchange (hopefully the EOH won't become a 355 standstill project due to funds running out)

The 355 interchange was not due to funding, but due to the EIS having to be redone.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on June 01, 2014, 01:31:35 AM
I saw the beginnings of the new flyover ramps at Thorndale and 290 for the Elgin-O'Hare. Reminds me of when they began to build the 355 interchange (hopefully the EOH won't become a 355 standstill project due to funds running out)

I don't think that will be an issue since the Tollway Authority is fronting most of the funds for the EOH extension/bypass project. True, it's not an endless cash flow, but ISTHA seems to handle their funds decently.

With their last toll increase in August 2011, ISTHA has a LOT more bonding authority for this project than before, as well as adequate bonding authority for the ongoing I-90 reconstruction and expansion and several other system rehabs and improvements.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on June 07, 2014, 11:05:07 PM
There's a bunch of signs being stored in the SE quadrant of the intersection of Highland Road with the EB I-88 ramps.  Couple of them appeared to be I-PASS signs for toll plazas and another appeared to be a smaller BGS with an I-355 shield.  Unfortunately the light changed before I could get a picture.

Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on June 08, 2014, 12:49:19 AM
I think one of was left lane i-pass only and cash keep right.

The exit there is 2 cash lanes and 0 i-pass only lanes.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on June 08, 2014, 01:01:48 AM
Meeting exhibits from the recent meeting for I-55 through Springfield are up.  Highlights from the alternatives exhibits: (http://i55springfield.com/site/pdfs/Station%203-2.pdf)

* I-72 is widened to six lanes from IL 4 to I-55

* I-55/I-72 is widened to six lanes from the 6th Street interchange to south of the IL 29 interchange

* From south of the IL 29 interchange to north of the I-72/Clear Lake Avenue interchange I-55 is widened to six lanes plus C-D lanes (which do not appear on some of the interchange alternatives)

* From north of the I-72/Clear Lake Avenue interchange to the BL 55 interchange at Sherman, I-55 is widened to six lanes

* The interchange alternatives have unusual names.  Instead of the usual Alt 1/Alt 2 or Alt A/Alt B, the Sixth Street interchange has the "Cyclone" and "Rocket" alternatives

Interchange Alternatives
Sixth Street
* In both options, NB I-55 to BL 55/Sixth Street becomes a right side exit
* In the Cyclone Alternative, the NB I-55 to WB I-72 loop is replaced with a flyover.  EB I-72 gets a C-D roadway
* In the Rocket Alternative, NB I-55 to WB I-72 and EB I-72 to NB BL 55/6th Street become semi-direct/turbine ramps

Stevenson Drive
* Hawkeye Alternative - SB ramps become a standard diamond.  NB becomes a larger folded diamond
* Hoosier Alternative - the existing interchange is replaced with a new diamond interchange with an extended Dirkson Parkway
* Husker Alternative - the existing interchange is replaced with a SPUI

IL 29
* Wildcat Alternative - the current cloverleaf becomes a six-ramp partial cloverleaf with exit loops from I-55
* Wolverine Alternative - the current cloverleaf becomes a SPUI

I-72/Clear Lake Avenue
* Boilmaker Alternative - all loops except for the NB to WB loop are replaced with semi-direct/turbine ramps.  EB I-72 supposedly gets a C-D roadway to east of the Old US 36 interchange
* Bruin Alternative - WB I-72 is put onto a left side flyover, but the current WB to SB loop also remains.  I-55 gets C-D roads

IL 54
* Gopher Alternative - the current cloverleaf is replaced with a diamond
* Panther Alternative - the current cloverleaf is replaced with a SPUI
* Saluki Alternative - the current cloverleaf is replaced with a six-ramp partial cloverleaf with exit loops from I-55
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tdindy88 on June 08, 2014, 02:20:25 AM
Who are the Bruins and Panthers? Please tell me that's not a reference to UCLA and Carolina.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: pianocello on June 08, 2014, 11:25:59 PM
Who are the Bruins and Panthers? Please tell me that's not a reference to UCLA and Carolina.

Eastern Illinois is the Panthers. Not sure about the Bruins, though.

Speaking of Bruin, what's up with that alternative? It looks like they would replace all the ramps without improving the design of the interchange. Also, the SB I-55 thru movement radius looks a bit tight at the southern part of the interchange.  (EDIT: wait, looks like those are C/D ramps. That's kinda hard to read, but easier to drive on.)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: triplemultiplex on June 09, 2014, 03:27:47 PM
I like the elimination of left-hand ramps at the southern 55-74 interchange.  Good plan.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: mrsman on June 10, 2014, 12:29:42 AM
Who are the Bruins and Panthers? Please tell me that's not a reference to UCLA and Carolina.

Eastern Illinois is the Panthers. Not sure about the Bruins, though.

Speaking of Bruin, what's up with that alternative? It looks like they would replace all the ramps without improving the design of the interchange. Also, the SB I-55 thru movement radius looks a bit tight at the southern part of the interchange.  (EDIT: wait, looks like those are C/D ramps. That's kinda hard to read, but easier to drive on.)

They should have stayed within the conference and made use of Spartan and Badger
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: amroad17 on June 10, 2014, 04:08:33 AM
Sounds like how the PBA had renamed their tournaments based on the "oil pattern" a couple of years ago with names like Cheetah, Viper, Chameleon, and Scorpion.  I'm glad they got rid of those names, however, all tournaments now are "... presented by _______".

Yes, I like to bowl when I can and watch when I can, which right now is not much.  So, instead, I will watch my son bowl on his PS3.  The video game is called "High Velocity Bowling".  Rather interesting to watch him roll some 300 games.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on June 14, 2014, 11:00:13 PM
CMAP is apparently in the process of updating the long range plan for Chicagoland, and has posted a list of major projects for the plan. (http://www.cmap.illinois.gov/documents/10180/273487/Major_Capital_Projects_for_Public_Comment_20140530.pdf/66ae4513-3e6d-4d26-bf3f-c890db2b6dfe)  I don't see any new highway projects in the list though that haven't come up before.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on June 15, 2014, 08:54:31 PM
^^^ We're in the "Let's toll everything" generation

Just add another lane to the Stevenson, 4 lanes in each direction between Dan Ryan and 355, maybe even past that.  :pan:
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on June 15, 2014, 11:06:50 PM
I don't like the idea of HOT lanes even more so on Toll roads.

Now maybe changing some free roads over to toll. Right now they are doing that to the EOE.

Maybe make I-290 (from I-355 to I-90) / IL-53 / I-355 (the non toll part) toll. or just IL-53 / I-XXX from I-90 to IL-120 + maybe routed over the part going to I-94 when they build them.

I-55 has room to widen with out a lot of work.

I-290 needs more maybe trun that into a full toll road.

At least now days we can do an 407 ETR and don't have to deal with tolling gates / part interchanges.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on July 05, 2014, 10:45:13 AM
Here's an interesting comparison, IDOT-style exit number versus ISHTA exit number (both signs installed by ISTHA at different times):

(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4129_zps40f32d8b.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4129_zps40f32d8b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Alps on July 06, 2014, 09:49:59 PM
While photographing button copy, I accidentally found a state-name shield:
http://goo.gl/maps/Hzvy0
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: JoePCool14 on July 11, 2014, 08:41:20 AM
While photographing button copy, I accidentally found a state-name shield:
http://goo.gl/maps/Hzvy0
I live like 2 miles from that sign! It really is a good find.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Henry on July 11, 2014, 02:28:07 PM
Here's an interesting comparison, IDOT-style exit number versus ISHTA exit number (both signs installed by ISTHA at different times):

(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4129_zps40f32d8b.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4129_zps40f32d8b.jpg.html)
Judging from the separate exit tab on the Clearview-font sign to the right, IL is apparently discontinuing the practice of having the exit numbers on the guide signs themselves (like GA is). When did this change occur?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: mrsman on July 11, 2014, 04:21:59 PM
Here's an interesting comparison, IDOT-style exit number versus ISHTA exit number (both signs installed by ISTHA at different times):

(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4129_zps40f32d8b.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4129_zps40f32d8b.jpg.html)
Judging from the separate exit tab on the Clearview-font sign to the right, IL is apparently discontinuing the practice of having the exit numbers on the guide signs themselves (like GA is). When did this change occur?

I'm not a fan of this sign.  The control cities are too generic.  Why not use Joliet and Schaumburg
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on July 11, 2014, 06:42:25 PM
Judging from the separate exit tab on the Clearview-font sign to the right, IL is apparently discontinuing the practice of having the exit numbers on the guide signs themselves (like GA is). When did this change occur?

Not at all.  Both signs here were installed by ISTHA, not IDOT.  However, the sign on the left was done prior to ISTHA adopting exit numbers while the sign on the right was done after ISTHA adopted exit numbers.  ISTHA did the left sign in IDOT's style, while the right sign is all ISTHA.

I'm not a fan of this sign.  The control cities are too generic.  Why not use Joliet and Schaumburg

Agreed about Schaumburg, but here, you are basically in the Joliet area.  Both routes (I-55 south and I-355 south) will take you to Joliet.  Lockport might be better.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: mukade on July 11, 2014, 07:44:01 PM
Judging from the separate exit tab on the Clearview-font sign to the right, IL is apparently discontinuing the practice of having the exit numbers on the guide signs themselves (like GA is). When did this change occur?

Not at all.  Both signs here were installed by ISTHA, not IDOT.  However, the sign on the left was done prior to ISTHA adopting exit numbers while the sign on the right was done after ISTHA adopted exit numbers.  ISTHA did the left sign in IDOT's style, while the right sign is all ISTHA.

I'm not a fan of this sign.  The control cities are too generic.  Why not use Joliet and Schaumburg

Agreed about Schaumburg, but here, you are basically in the Joliet area.  Both routes (I-55 south and I-355 south) will take you to Joliet.  Lockport might be better.

Bolingbrook is three times bigger than Lockport and Downers Grove is twice as big. I-355 goes thru both. If you want the city at the southern terminus of I-355, it is New Lenox, and that is pretty close in size to Lockport.

All that said, why do you need a control city?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on July 11, 2014, 11:38:24 PM
Judging from the separate exit tab on the Clearview-font sign to the right, IL is apparently discontinuing the practice of having the exit numbers on the guide signs themselves (like GA is). When did this change occur?

Not at all.  Both signs here were installed by ISTHA, not IDOT.  However, the sign on the left was done prior to ISTHA adopting exit numbers while the sign on the right was done after ISTHA adopted exit numbers.  ISTHA did the left sign in IDOT's style, while the right sign is all ISTHA.

I'm not a fan of this sign.  The control cities are too generic.  Why not use Joliet and Schaumburg

Agreed about Schaumburg, but here, you are basically in the Joliet area.  Both routes (I-55 south and I-355 south) will take you to Joliet.  Lockport might be better.

Bolingbrook is three times bigger than Lockport and Downers Grove is twice as big. I-355 goes thru both. If you want the city at the southern terminus of I-355, it is New Lenox, and that is pretty close in size to Lockport.

All that said, why do you need a control city?

However, here, Bolingbrook is north, not south, and actually at the interchange.  That said, Bolingbrook/Schaumburg would be better than Rockford at I-80.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on July 11, 2014, 11:47:45 PM
On a somewhat related tangent, the IDOT District 1 sign design guide has been posted on the IDOT website.  Link (http://www.dot.state.il.us/DistrictStandards/District%201/D1MiscManuals/D1%20Signing%20Guidelines%202013.pdf)

There's also a copy of the District 1 traffic signal design guide.  Link (http://www.dot.state.il.us/DistrictStandards/District%201/D1MiscManuals/D1%20TS%20Design%20Guidelines%202009.pdf)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: mrsman on July 18, 2014, 11:13:29 AM
Judging from the separate exit tab on the Clearview-font sign to the right, IL is apparently discontinuing the practice of having the exit numbers on the guide signs themselves (like GA is). When did this change occur?

Not at all.  Both signs here were installed by ISTHA, not IDOT.  However, the sign on the left was done prior to ISTHA adopting exit numbers while the sign on the right was done after ISTHA adopted exit numbers.  ISTHA did the left sign in IDOT's style, while the right sign is all ISTHA.

I'm not a fan of this sign.  The control cities are too generic.  Why not use Joliet and Schaumburg

Agreed about Schaumburg, but here, you are basically in the Joliet area.  Both routes (I-55 south and I-355 south) will take you to Joliet.  Lockport might be better.

Bolingbrook is three times bigger than Lockport and Downers Grove is twice as big. I-355 goes thru both. If you want the city at the southern terminus of I-355, it is New Lenox, and that is pretty close in size to Lockport.

All that said, why do you need a control city?

Control cities are helpful to direct people towards destinations and may be a helpful way for those who are directionally challenged.  Even I, occasionally (but not too frequently), mistake east and west (but rarely north and south), so a control city would be a helpful tool so as not to get lost.  Control cities help those who are not from the area find alternate means to get to places.

Yes, a control city is much more useful on a 2di to direct Chicago area traffic towards St. Louis or Milwaukee or Des Moines, but for a 3di, well known suburbs are helpful.  Schuamburg is a jobs center and is also close to O'Hare Airport and its also due north.  Even though I-355 doesn't reach Schaumburg it leads you to I-290 which does. 

Joliet for southbound I-355.  It certainly makes sense at the other interchanges like I-88 and I-290.  Brandon is right that both I-55 and I-355 get you to about the same distance from Central Joliet.  Yet, from this interchange, I-355 (and I-80) gets you there without overshooting and coming back, so it's more direct if you want to go towards the center of town.  Plus, if Joliet is the southbound control for the entire I-355 it should remain the control until you reach the city, whereas the only southbound control along I-55 in IL is St. Louis.

Incidentally, I hate how Google Maps puts in Lincoln Highway everywhere, even if the road commonly goes by another name.  I had to use GSV to find out that Cass Street is the name of westbound Lincoln Highway in central Joliet.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: skluth on July 19, 2014, 12:09:59 AM
Judging from the separate exit tab on the Clearview-font sign to the right, IL is apparently discontinuing the practice of having the exit numbers on the guide signs themselves (like GA is). When did this change occur?

Not at all.  Both signs here were installed by ISTHA, not IDOT.  However, the sign on the left was done prior to ISTHA adopting exit numbers while the sign on the right was done after ISTHA adopted exit numbers.  ISTHA did the left sign in IDOT's style, while the right sign is all ISTHA.

I'm not a fan of this sign.  The control cities are too generic.  Why not use Joliet and Schaumburg

Agreed about Schaumburg, but here, you are basically in the Joliet area.  Both routes (I-55 south and I-355 south) will take you to Joliet.  Lockport might be better.

Bolingbrook is three times bigger than Lockport and Downers Grove is twice as big. I-355 goes thru both. If you want the city at the southern terminus of I-355, it is New Lenox, and that is pretty close in size to Lockport.

All that said, why do you need a control city?

Control cities are helpful to direct people towards destinations and may be a helpful way for those who are directionally challenged.  Even I, occasionally (but not too frequently), mistake east and west (but rarely north and south), so a control city would be a helpful tool so as not to get lost.  Control cities help those who are not from the area find alternate means to get to places.

Yes, a control city is much more useful on a 2di to direct Chicago area traffic towards St. Louis or Milwaukee or Des Moines, but for a 3di, well known suburbs are helpful.  Schuamburg is a jobs center and is also close to O'Hare Airport and its also due north.  Even though I-355 doesn't reach Schaumburg it leads you to I-290 which does. 

Joliet for southbound I-355.  It certainly makes sense at the other interchanges like I-88 and I-290.  Brandon is right that both I-55 and I-355 get you to about the same distance from Central Joliet.  Yet, from this interchange, I-355 (and I-80) gets you there without overshooting and coming back, so it's more direct if you want to go towards the center of town.  Plus, if Joliet is the southbound control for the entire I-355 it should remain the control until you reach the city, whereas the only southbound control along I-55 in IL is St. Louis.

Incidentally, I hate how Google Maps puts in Lincoln Highway everywhere, even if the road commonly goes by another name.  I had to use GSV to find out that Cass Street is the name of westbound Lincoln Highway in central Joliet.

Except that control cities like Schaumburg or West Suburbs are really mostly for locals who should know where they are traveling. Control cities around I-270 around St. Louis point to KC, Indy, Tulsa, Louisville, and Memphis, cities that make sense to the long distance traveller. If STL followed the same logic as Chicago the control cities would be places like Kirkwood and Florissant and Jeffco, places locals understand but too obscure to travelers just passing through. Control cities should not be too centric to the area.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: DevalDragon on July 19, 2014, 02:22:07 AM
That and I-355 does not go to Rockford. Without, of course, getting on I-290 and I-90 first.

However, here, Bolingbrook is north, not south, and actually at the interchange.  That said, Bolingbrook/Schaumburg would be better than Rockford at I-80.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: sipes23 on September 04, 2014, 04:19:16 PM
The Algonquin Bypass is finally done. It took about two years, but now that it's done it's a huge improvement for north-south traffic on IL 31.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: billtm on September 27, 2014, 09:53:07 PM
Random question: How does I-94 in Chicago (Bishop Ford) handle traffic volumes between MM65 -MM63 (I-57 merge)? It's only 2 lanes! And it's in Chicagoland! Is it that very few cars drive on it? Or is there no space or money to widen it?  :confused:
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on September 27, 2014, 10:01:36 PM
Random question: How does I-94 in Chicago (Bishop Ford) handle traffic volumes between MM65 -MM63 (I-57 merge)? It's only 2 lanes! And it's in Chicagoland! Is it that very few cars drive on it? Or is there no space or money to widen it?  :confused:

I've never had many issues going through that junction. Then again, those were during off-hours and not rush hour. What I've noticed is it depends on the rush hour. Morning is heavy towards downtown, afternoon heavy towards the burbs and Indiana. Outside of accidents, the junction is usually open unless it's in one of those specific rush hour periods.

I'm sure there's a spreadsheet of traffic volume statistics that can answer your question much better
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: billtm on September 27, 2014, 10:08:28 PM
Random question: How does I-94 in Chicago (Bishop Ford) handle traffic volumes between MM65 -MM63 (I-57 merge)? It's only 2 lanes! And it's in Chicagoland! Is it that very few cars drive on it? Or is there no space or money to widen it?  :confused:

I've never had many issues going through that junction. Then again, those were during off-hours and not rush hour. What I've noticed is it depends on the rush hour. Morning is heavy towards downtown, afternoon heavy towards the burbs and Indiana. Outside of accidents, the junction is usually open unless it's in one of those specific rush hour periods.

I'm sure there's a spreadsheet of traffic volume statistics that can answer your question much better

Do you know where I might be able to find area specific traffic volume statistic spreadsheets?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on September 27, 2014, 10:14:04 PM
Random question: How does I-94 in Chicago (Bishop Ford) handle traffic volumes between MM65 -MM63 (I-57 merge)? It's only 2 lanes! And it's in Chicagoland! Is it that very few cars drive on it? Or is there no space or money to widen it?  :confused:

A good portion of the traffic splits off to Stony Island east of that point (heading northbound), and most of the traffic heading off the Ryan is going onto I-57 toward Kankakee and I-80.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on September 28, 2014, 07:34:43 PM
Random question: How does I-94 in Chicago (Bishop Ford) handle traffic volumes between MM65 -MM63 (I-57 merge)? It's only 2 lanes! And it's in Chicagoland! Is it that very few cars drive on it? Or is there no space or money to widen it?  :confused:

I've never had many issues going through that junction. Then again, those were during off-hours and not rush hour. What I've noticed is it depends on the rush hour. Morning is heavy towards downtown, afternoon heavy towards the burbs and Indiana. Outside of accidents, the junction is usually open unless it's in one of those specific rush hour periods.

I'm sure there's a spreadsheet of traffic volume statistics that can answer your question much better

Do you know where I might be able to find area specific traffic volume statistic spreadsheets?  :hmmm:

That I am unsure of. Your best bet would probably be IDOT. I've only seen traffic stats for construction projects and/or study areas
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: JoePCool14 on September 29, 2014, 10:28:25 PM
Is it just me or does ISTHA actually seem to be improving on their signage? Take I-88 as a good example and the next exit gore signs and tabs. However every so often they have been missing a tab or two on some signs which is really frustrating. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: dave069 on October 11, 2014, 04:10:21 PM
I also have a question about I-94. I haven't been out on the Tri-State Tollway portion of I-94 in a while but I heard they were putting a fourth lane in between IL-173 and the Wisconsin border. The Tollway's page has made no mention of this however. Are they building a fourth lane on that part of I-94?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: nwi_navigator_1181 on October 11, 2014, 04:38:12 PM
From what I've read and heard, there are no plans in the immediate future for expansion of this small section of the Tri-State. The ISTHA page is very good with keeping drivers updated on the latest projects.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on October 11, 2014, 06:19:34 PM
I also have a question about I-94. I haven't been out on the Tri-State Tollway portion of I-94 in a while but I heard they were putting a fourth lane in between IL-173 and the Wisconsin border. The Tollway's page has made no mention of this however. Are they building a fourth lane on that part of I-94?

The Tri-State is four lanes all the way to Russell Road, IIRC from my trip to Appleton.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: JREwing78 on October 12, 2014, 02:35:45 AM
I also have a question about I-94. I haven't been out on the Tri-State Tollway portion of I-94 in a while but I heard they were putting a fourth lane in between IL-173 and the Wisconsin border. The Tollway's page has made no mention of this however. Are they building a fourth lane on that part of I-94?

The Tri-State is four lanes all the way to Russell Road, IIRC from my trip to Appleton.

Sure is (just went through last weekend). At 9pm on a Sunday night, the 55mph speed limit on that stretch is ridiculously slow; traffic flows at 75-80. The right shoulder gets sacrificed under the older bridges. A similar tactic, albeit taken to smaller extremes, is being used on I-90 between Rockford and Elgin.

Once you're over the border a few miles into Wisconsin, you'll lose lanes due to the long-term construction to widen I-94 into Milwaukee.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: adventurernumber1 on October 23, 2014, 03:26:03 PM
I have been to Chicago before (on a mission trip), and I have also seen a good bit of it on GM street view. I've always wondered, on many portions of many of Chicago's freeways, why are the broken stripes dividing travel lanes so much longer than elsewhere?

Here's an example of what I'm talking about on I-90 near the Chicago O'Hare International Airport: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0021774,-87.886576,3a,75y,301.24h,82.98t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sg22Qubx0pDqt5ZEgnIAZVw!2e0

Here's another example on I-294 in the same area: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9627752,-87.8757061,3a,75y,27.51h,89.14t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1szyMxY7UalYF9DHv1m-E2QA!2e0

An example on I-355 in the suburb of Wheaton (I remember seeing this stretch of interstate on my mission trip; we stayed at a college in Wheaton): https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8488154,-88.0324187,3a,75y,304.12h,88.63t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1slgdXUVk7sQcT_W_EfzHQsA!2e0

And many other places
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on October 23, 2014, 03:41:46 PM
I have been to Chicago before (on a mission trip), and I have also seen a good bit of it on GM street view. I've always wondered, on many portions of many of Chicago's freeways, why are the broken stripes dividing travel lanes so much longer than elsewhere?

Here's an example of what I'm talking about on I-90 near the Chicago O'Hare International Airport: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0021774,-87.886576,3a,75y,301.24h,82.98t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sg22Qubx0pDqt5ZEgnIAZVw!2e0

Here's another example on I-294 in the same area: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9627752,-87.8757061,3a,75y,27.51h,89.14t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1szyMxY7UalYF9DHv1m-E2QA!2e0

An example on I-355 in the suburb of Wheaton (I remember seeing this stretch of interstate on my mission trip; we stayed at a college in Wheaton): https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8488154,-88.0324187,3a,75y,304.12h,88.63t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1slgdXUVk7sQcT_W_EfzHQsA!2e0

And many other places

The Illinois State Toll Highway Authority (ISTHA, not to be confused with IDOT - they are separate) uses the longer lane lines (3:3 ratio - 3ft of line, 3ft of space).  The New Jersey Turnpike does the same thing.  I believe both ISTHA and NJTP do this for visibility purposes.  Personally, I like them much better than the more typical 3:1 ratio used for lane lines (1ft of stripe, 3 ft of space).
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: adventurernumber1 on October 23, 2014, 03:48:53 PM
That makes sense, and I have thought about that Ive seen this striping style on the toll roads in Chicago, and I also have seen these long broken stripes on the NJ Turnpike from videos/pics and the sort. I personally like both striping styles, but I'm less used to the longer stripes due to my location. But thanks for the info, Brandon!
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on November 14, 2014, 02:26:23 PM
The Northwest Tollway expansion is basically done heading westbound.  That is going to be REALLY nice when 100% complete.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on November 14, 2014, 03:51:21 PM
The Northwest Tollway expansion is basically done heading westbound.  That is going to be REALLY nice when 100% complete.

They need to get rid of the fucking 45 and 55 mph signs if they're not working on a section.  No one pays any heed to it as the rule of "follow the signs 24/7" cheapens the meaning of them.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: silverback1065 on November 14, 2014, 04:36:05 PM
The Northwest Tollway expansion is basically done heading westbound.  That is going to be REALLY nice when 100% complete.

They need to get rid of the fucking 45 and 55 mph signs if they're not working on a section.  No one pays any heed to it as the rule of "follow the signs 24/7" cheapens the meaning of them.

Especially the ones that claim they are photo enforced, I know for a fact that most of them are bs.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on November 14, 2014, 05:11:25 PM
The Northwest Tollway expansion is basically done heading westbound.  That is going to be REALLY nice when 100% complete.

They need to get rid of the fucking 45 and 55 mph signs if they're not working on a section.  No one pays any heed to it as the rule of "follow the signs 24/7" cheapens the meaning of them.

Especially the ones that claim they are photo enforced, I know for a fact that most of them are bs.

I've seen a grand total of one photo van since 2008, and that was being used on I-80 a few weeks ago.

This one was parked, not taking pictures at the time.

(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4820_zps85ef6528.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4820_zps85ef6528.jpg.html)

(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4821_zps1e8d5fa1.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4821_zps1e8d5fa1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on November 16, 2014, 01:48:50 PM
There's an article on the website for the Rockford paper regarding the number of trucks on I-39.  Link (http://www.rrstar.com/article/20141115/NEWS/141119648/?Start=1)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: silverback1065 on November 16, 2014, 04:30:08 PM
Why does US 51 multiplex with I-39 when SR 251 parallels it?  I'm assuming 251 is old 51, why not keep 51 on it's old alignment and never have a 251 at all?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on November 16, 2014, 04:35:23 PM
Why does US 51 multiplex with I-39 when SR 251 parallels it?  I'm assuming 251 is old 51, why not keep 51 on it's old alignment and never have a 251 at all?

Because I-39 was originally built as US-51.  I-39 was later added to it.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SSOWorld on November 19, 2014, 09:27:58 PM
A common rule about U.S. routes - once on a freeway it stays on a freeway.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: NE2 on November 19, 2014, 10:40:08 PM
A common rule about U.S. routes - once on a freeway it stays on a freeway.
AASHTO rule that states have ignored. Most recently, NCDOT moved US 220 off I-73/74, replacing US 220 Alt.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on November 22, 2014, 11:19:57 PM
Exhibits from a recent public meeting for the Alton-Godfrey Connector are up (Link (click on the 'Get Involved' tab) (http://www.dot.state.il.us/projects/Alton-Godfrey-Study)

* Looks like all of the alternatives still under consideration remove the current grade separation between US 67 and IL 3, and replace it with a new signalized intersection slightly to the north, at the cost of several businesses.

* Appears that Alton Square Mall Drive (which appears to become part of the new corridor in all but Alternative 12-3)  would gain an overpass at Oakwood Avenue.

* Alternative 6 (which I would not expect to survive given the long structure in the middle of the corridor) features a new interchange where Wenzel Road crosses IL 255.

(Edited to fix bad link)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: NE2 on November 23, 2014, 12:08:08 AM
Exhibits from a recent public meeting for the Alton-Godfrey Connector are up (Link (click on the 'Get Involved' tab) (http://)
http://www.dot.state.il.us/projects/Alton-Godfrey-Study
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on November 24, 2014, 12:08:13 AM
Looks like new clearview signs are going up on the Kennedy. Went into town last night going eastbound to find the right lane shutdown as crews were taking down gantries and rebuilding them with new towers and signage
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: dave069 on December 05, 2014, 10:01:09 AM
I also have a question about I-94. I haven't been out on the Tri-State Tollway portion of I-94 in a while but I heard they were putting a fourth lane in between IL-173 and the Wisconsin border. The Tollway's page has made no mention of this however. Are they building a fourth lane on that part of I-94?

The Tri-State is four lanes all the way to Russell Road, IIRC from my trip to Appleton.

Sure is (just went through last weekend). At 9pm on a Sunday night, the 55mph speed limit on that stretch is ridiculously slow; traffic flows at 75-80. The right shoulder gets sacrificed under the older bridges. A similar tactic, albeit taken to smaller extremes, is being used on I-90 between Rockford and Elgin.

Once you're over the border a few miles into Wisconsin, you'll lose lanes due to the long-term construction to widen I-94 into Milwaukee.

They finally finished the I-90 work around november but they still have the 55 signs and thats really annoying. Who would drive that slow on the open road? Im really hoping they bump it up to 70 soon because its already 70 in rockford. A "rural" interstate does not start in rockford and an "urban interstate doesn't start in the middle of nowhere. The tollway's logic is quite flawed imho.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: JREwing78 on December 06, 2014, 12:27:51 AM
They finally finished the I-90 work around november but they still have the 55 signs and thats really annoying. Who would drive that slow on the open road? Im really hoping they bump it up to 70 soon because its already 70 in rockford. A "rural" interstate does not start in rockford and an "urban interstate doesn't start in the middle of nowhere. The tollway's logic is quite flawed imho.

When I went through there over the Thanksgiving holiday, it was posted for 65 for most of its length (a couple construction zones were 45 or 55).
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: dave069 on December 06, 2014, 11:58:11 AM
They finally finished the I-90 work around november but they still have the 55 signs and thats really annoying. Who would drive that slow on the open road? Im really hoping they bump it up to 70 soon because its already 70 in rockford. A "rural" interstate does not start in rockford and an "urban interstate doesn't start in the middle of nowhere. The tollway's logic is quite flawed imho.

When I went through there over the Thanksgiving holiday, it was posted for 65 for most of its length (a couple construction zones were 45 or 55).

Oh yeah, I went on their webpage yesterday and saw that most of it had been raised to 65. That part should become a 70 soon, hopefully. Keeping it at 65 would be completely illogical.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: 3467 on December 10, 2014, 11:21:24 PM
http://www.wics.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_20148.shtml
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tdindy88 on December 12, 2014, 11:14:36 AM
Out of mere curiosity I was looking at the traffic cameras and message boards around Chicago this morning, I swear this was random, and I noticed that there is no longer a "Circle" interchange, something called the "Jane Byrne?" When did this happen?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: 3467 on December 12, 2014, 11:59:44 AM
A former mayor (who killed the crosstown0 got it named for her just before she died recently
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on December 12, 2014, 12:43:49 PM
A former mayor (who killed the crosstown0 got it named for her just before she died recently

It was done as an "honor" by the other politicians in Chicago.  I call it an "honor" and use the term very dubiously, as they liked to call her "Crazy Jane".  It's a basketcase of an interchange.  The Taste would've been better to name for her as she started it.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tdindy88 on December 12, 2014, 12:45:58 PM
I figured it was a "political" thing, it being Chicago and all, just surprised I hadn't heard about it here.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SSOWorld on December 12, 2014, 02:18:12 PM
Muni's tend not to like generic names for structures (Lake Shore Drive notwithstanding) - Just ask New York City - Hugh????

Just like Sears Tower, I will remember it as the Circle.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: 3467 on December 15, 2014, 08:22:03 PM
US 34 Biggsville ByPass opened a week ago today. Google Traffic and Maps has not picked it up so you will see a gap on US 34. The 67 opening above used the existing ROW and did not have that problem
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: dfwmapper on December 16, 2014, 01:05:17 AM
US 34 Biggsville ByPass opened a week ago today. Google Traffic and Maps has not picked it up so you will see a gap on US 34. The 67 opening above used the existing ROW and did not have that problem
I'll take a swing at it tomorrow. Is the old route signed as anything?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Alex on December 16, 2014, 09:26:29 AM
The Biggsville Bypass could become part of an overall four-lane corridor for US 34 between Burlington, IA and Monmouth, IL.

Public comment period open for potential U.S. 34 project (http://www.reviewatlas.com/article/20141021/News/141029976)

Quote
Only 22 two-lane miles of U.S. 34 between Monmouth and Burlington stand in the way of a unified four-lane expressway and a resulting economic boom for Monmouth.

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Reinforcing his adamant stance on the necessity of public input from community members, business owners and politicians, Crow referenced the Biggsville Bypass. The Illinois Department of Transportation had no intentions of building the Biggsville Bypass, much like they have no plans to further improve U.S. 34, until the community came together.
"It was an entirely community-driven change. They came together and lobbied, and that is what made everything happen," Crow said. "We need that same kind of commitment.

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The completion of a four-lane expressway would have several economic benefits for the city of Monmouth, he said. The biggest impact would be the creation of a new direct route to Iowa, which would alter current trucking routes.
"This would have a huge impact on our community's economy. It is really the key to the growth of not only Monmouth but all of Western Illinois," Crow said. "As Monmouth is the only major city between Burlington and Galesburg, we would see much additional growth around the U.S. 67 and U.S. 34 interchange."
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: 3467 on December 16, 2014, 07:25:53 PM
The Old road is mostly signed as Illinois 94, The Stubs at the end are unsigned but you can access them from local roads near each end of the bypass . Illinois is chaotic with non -interstate mileage signs Knox Warren and Henderson counties have them at roads and county lines not every mile but Henry and Bureau are just the opposite. On the new 67 in Morgan there are none on the new route whereas on the Biggsville by pass they are using Interstate markers . The new route ads about a tenth of a mile . So now there are about 17 miles left. IDOT has never been thrilled about building roads it thinks benefit the other I state next door with the strange exception of US 20 which is the most costly 4 lane proposal by far running 10 -20 million a mile. I think these 2 route of about 5 or 6 miles ran about 6 million a mile . Both 67 and 34 were new pavement 67 used a little of the old road ,both have one interchange
The road between Biggsville and Monmouth is a modern 2 lane and IDOT has most of the ROW . The other stretch is still more problematic Because of Army Corp Floodplain regs it wont cost 200 million for those 4 miles just a mere 80 . IDOT has a new Phase 1 I just don't expect much more here for a long time
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: 3467 on December 16, 2014, 07:56:20 PM
http://www.idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/About-IDOT/News/Construction-Releases/D3/01.24.2014.pdf

Another 34 (Old US 32) update. This was cancelled and the website is gone. I wonder if this is going to happen to US 30 in Whiteside County where almost everyone in Morrison is against the bypass and IDOT noted most supporters were from another state
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on December 16, 2014, 10:50:56 PM
http://www.idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/About-IDOT/News/Construction-Releases/D3/01.24.2014.pdf

Another 34 (Old US 32) update. This was cancelled and the website is gone. I wonder if this is going to happen to US 30 in Whiteside County where almost everyone in Morrison is against the bypass and IDOT noted most supporters were from another state

This is old news.  There was a change in mayor in Sandwich...the long-serving mayor who was for the project was defeated and the new mayor convinced IDOT to cancel the study.  It would have had a lot of building impacts to convert US 34 to a 5-lane highway thru Sandwich.  When I was with IDOT, we also studied a two-way couple which would have disrupted few buildings, but would have turned a low-speed city street into two lanes of one way traffic and taken some of the parking off of it.  IDOT is putting all of its US 34 resources to the east, where towns like Yorkville and Plano are all for the lane expansion, and the traffic is slightly higher.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: 3467 on December 16, 2014, 11:20:50 PM
It looks like something similar in Morrison and Pickneyville. There was also supposed to be some sort of financing study on US 20 out in October but I have not seen anything. Waiting on New Gov?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: 3467 on December 16, 2014, 11:31:34 PM
http://www.idot.illinois.gov/transportation-system/transportation-management/featured-projects/index

IDOT updated its Projects Page There is a US 51 study underway but not here . But similar to Sandwich ,Vandalia is not happy about a bypass in this case.
Does anyone know what is really going on with 30,20,51,50 or 127?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Alex on December 20, 2014, 11:11:10 AM
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/midwest/il_1970_nw.jpg)

What is the background on the proposed road from the East West Tollway to U.S. 30 at Fulton? I scanned this from a 1970 Chicago & Vicinity / Illinois fold map.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on December 20, 2014, 08:43:07 PM
It looks as though during the original studies for the East / West Tollway, they were considering routing it due west to Clinton, IA.  (Partly at Clinton's urging.)

Example:

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1963/09/26/page/105/article/motor-club-to-hear-study-on-tollway

Even when the final route was decided to the Quad Cities, they were still studying an extension to Clinton.  (Good thing they didn't do that because I don't think traffic would have justified it.)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: 3467 on December 20, 2014, 08:55:09 PM
They were but IDOT was considering the corridor they are looking at now . This corridor was considered in the current study but dropped early.
They were handing this corridor over to the tollway at this time. Could this have been a tollway plan?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on December 20, 2014, 09:16:42 PM
They were but IDOT was considering the corridor they are looking at now . This corridor was considered in the current study but dropped early.
They were handing this corridor over to the tollway at this time. Could this have been a tollway plan?

Yeah sorry, that's what the article said.  That the Clinton route could not be supported by toll revenue.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: 3467 on December 20, 2014, 10:20:53 PM
That explains why its on the map and the other corridors were not until IDOT started to actually build them. very interesting. Thanks for that
The route under study is an expressway and it still could not support toll revenue. IDOT seems to be studying tolls or something for US 20. The website says something was supposed to be released in October . Most of their studies are in Limbo right now . That is why I asked if anyone knew what was going on 34 and 67 are the only ones I have any firsthand knowledge of .
I can update a couple of widen and repaves . US 67 North of Viola looks to have added a foot to each shoulder when it was repaved earlier this year . IL 116 was widened this fall west of US 67 . 3-4 feet were added on each side of this 9-10 foot pavement at a cost of 150,000 per mile . I am such a roadgeek I get out and measure
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Lyon Wonder on December 20, 2014, 10:26:54 PM
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/midwest/il_1970_nw.jpg)

What is the background on the proposed road from the East West Tollway to U.S. 30 at Fulton? I scanned this from a 1970 Chicago & Vicinity / Illinois fold map.

There's now a proposal to upgrade US 30 into a 4 lane expressway from IL-136 in Fulton to Rock Falls.  I assume this US 30 upgrade will be 4-lane divided with mostly at-grade intersections and a bypass of Morrison too.

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/projects/us-30-fulton-to-rock-falls

(http://www.idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/IDOT-Projects/District-2/US-30-Fulton-to-Rock-Falls/images/LocationMap_140710_LOres.jpg)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: 3467 on December 20, 2014, 10:31:47 PM
Comments for Morrison were against it by a large margin. They don't want to be bypassed
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on December 22, 2014, 01:24:46 AM

IDOT updated its Projects Page There is a US 51 study underway but not here .
Does anyone know what is really going on with 30,20,51,50 or 127?

www.us51eis.com - I don't know why, but never has been in the IDOT Projects page.  The project is being led by IDOT District 7.  They are trying to wrap up the EIS study fairly soon.  Considering that US 51 is being improved from the north to the south, and that there is about 10 miles yet to be completed within the previous EIS study from south of Assumption to south of Pana, and there is no construction funding in the program for any of it to 2020, I think it will be a long time before this is even completed around Pana.  The bypass around Vandalia could not take a more direct route because everything to the east and south of Vandalia is a floodplain.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: 3467 on December 22, 2014, 12:01:29 PM
I wondered if it was because of IDOT lack of enthusiasm for the project . Like Sandwich IDOT seems to no longer have the desire to push when there does not seem to be much local support. US 30 had floodplain issues around Morrison.
I found out the floodplain issues on US 34 were  sort of resolved or at least the Army Corps seems to be more accepting of a less expensive alternative.
I read some of the meeting comments on US 51. Most in Vandalia want a through town improvement. The consultants tell them that would not get a positive ROD because of purpose and need. It looks to me the consultants just want to get it done get paid and if it stays on a shelf so be it.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: 3467 on December 22, 2014, 12:09:16 PM
http://www.robdailynews.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=2&ArticleID=12193
About  year old update on US 50 . IDOT has most of the ROW They are getting away with just and EA here for Olney to Illinois 1 . There is also a bypass study from 64 to 50 around Lebanon. I don't see how you go around Carlyle . Despite the desires of this group I think IDOT will just do these projects and keep the ROW unless Indiana plans to 4 lane their section
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: adt1982 on December 22, 2014, 03:43:18 PM
I've never understood the desire to 4-lane 50.  The same thing goes for 51 south of Vandalia.  I travel 51 there to Sandoval several times a year and it never has much traffic.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: silverback1065 on December 22, 2014, 03:54:40 PM
I've never understood the desire to 4-lane 50.  The same thing goes for 51 south of Vandalia.  I travel 51 there to Sandoval several times a year and it never has much traffic.

Could it be for trucks?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: 3467 on December 22, 2014, 04:41:37 PM
Truck Volumes are not very high. It all really comes from the old supplemental freeway system . If you compare it to the existing studies you can see it has become the supplemental expressway system. IDOT actually calls them the Principal Arterials now. There are only 3 or 4 corridors not under some study or construction
Illinois 1 and US 67 north of Monmouth. There were corridor studies submitted for both or parts of both in the early 70s. Neither got approval to proceed. EPA pointed out US 41 to IDOT in the IL 1 study . FHWA pointed out I-74 to IDOT on the US 67 study IDOT never really revisited them . They did promise a reconstruct and a lot of passing lanes north of Monmouth and they are still working on that.
IL 127 north of Pickneyville  is another . IDOT points out the road is wide with full paved shoulders(in Texas they would repaint the lines and declare victory but this is Illinois) The other is the US 50 section between Carlyle and I-57 which has other serious issues.
Of the other corridors only US 20 is planned as Freeway and IDOT was supposed to release a study in October on how to fund it US 34 and 67 have had their EISs done and expressway construction has been completed on several sections as previously mentioned  IL 29 and IL 336 near Peoria  are under study for expressways as is US 30 in Whiteside County and Illinois 127 in Southern Illinois. Its about 350 miles of highway or about 3.5 Billion
I would add though it is common to call Illinois broke,it came up with the supplemental freeway system when its pensions were more underfunded than they are today. However Medicaid was not a third of its budget then.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Pete from Boston on January 06, 2015, 10:12:02 PM
Getting on 57/70 in Effingham the other day, I noticed that the destination city for westbound 70 is East St. Louis.  Is Illinois one of those states that will ignore the obvious choice (St. Louis) in favor of one inside the state? 
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on January 06, 2015, 10:36:34 PM
Getting on 57/70 in Effingham the other day, I noticed that the destination city for westbound 70 is East St. Louis.  Is Illinois one of those states that will ignore the obvious choice (St. Louis) in favor of one inside the state? 

Illinois has two levels of control cities, a primary and a secondary.  If you got on from a surface street, you will see East St Louis.  If it's from I-57, you'll see just St Louis.  An example of the two control city levels can be given along I-55:

Primary
Chicago, St Louis

Secondary
Chicago, Joliet, Bloomington (also, Bloomington-Normal), Springfield, East St Louis, St Louis (in East St Louis)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: pianocello on January 07, 2015, 11:48:54 AM
Is Illinois one of those states that will ignore the obvious choice (St. Louis) in favor of one inside the state? 

Yes. There is exactly one interchange in which BGS's on I-80 say "Davenport". All others say either "Des Moines" (the primary control city, seen at interstate junctions and west/north of the I-74 interchange) or "Moline-Rock Island" (the secondary control city, which has a combined population of about 15K less than Davenport)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on January 07, 2015, 09:40:29 PM
It's interesting how I-80 uses Joliet and Moline-Rock Island and skips LaSalle-Peru, which I-39 uses.

Regarding using East St. Louis over St. Louis: since East St. Louis is right next to St. Louis, Illinois ought to just list St. Louis.  Using East St. Louis is not providing much useful information to motorist and is justing wasting space on signs.  If Illinois wants another point on I-55 and I-70 before St. Louis, they should use "Troy."  Otherwise "Cicero" ought to be used for a little bit on the other end of I-55 north of Joliet but before switching to 'Chicago'
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Stratuscaster on January 07, 2015, 10:51:17 PM
Yes. There is exactly one interchange in which BGS's on I-80 say "Davenport". All others say either "Des Moines" (the primary control city, seen at interstate junctions and west/north of the I-74 interchange) or "Moline-Rock Island" (the secondary control city, which has a combined population of about 15K less than Davenport)
Don't forget the ones that simply say "Iowa."
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on January 07, 2015, 11:48:39 PM
It's interesting how I-80 uses Joliet and Moline-Rock Island and skips LaSalle-Peru, which I-39 uses.

Regarding using East St. Louis over St. Louis: since East St. Louis is right next to St. Louis, Illinois ought to just list St. Louis.  Using East St. Louis is not providing much useful information to motorist and is justing wasting space on signs.  If Illinois wants another point on I-55 and I-70 before St. Louis, they should use "Troy."  Otherwise "Cicero" ought to be used for a little bit on the other end of I-55 north of Joliet but before switching to 'Chicago'

1. East St Louis used to be one of the biggest cities in the state.  When chosen as a secondary control, it was the main city of Metro East, and about 80k in population.

2. Cicero never touches I-55 and works more as a disassociated neighborhood of Chicago than anything else.  Might as well used Chicago as the control at that point.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: 3467 on January 11, 2015, 07:17:38 PM
http://capitolfax.com/2015/01/10/rauner-makes-some-agency-board-appointments/

New IDOT Secretary
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: 3467 on January 13, 2015, 08:33:10 PM
http://www.theherald-news.com/2015/01/12/new-idot-director-no-fan-of-illiana-expressway/a8fffv9/

More on IDOTs new Director
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: sandwalk on April 10, 2015, 01:52:56 AM
Impressive video from northern Illinois Thursday of a large tornado crossing Interstate 39 just north of Rochelle:
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Henry on April 10, 2015, 12:49:55 PM
http://www.theherald-news.com/2015/01/12/new-idot-director-no-fan-of-illiana-expressway/a8fffv9/

More on IDOTs new Director
And down goes the Illiana...again!
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on April 10, 2015, 02:59:30 PM
http://www.theherald-news.com/2015/01/12/new-idot-director-no-fan-of-illiana-expressway/a8fffv9/

More on IDOTs new Director
And down goes the Illiana...again!

A major mistake as it is a very necessary road.  But, there goes this state yet again not thinking ahead.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on July 05, 2015, 09:35:07 PM
As of late last week, there is detour signing along I-55 between the Shirley Interchange and the interchange with US 136 which features US 66 shields with an 'Old' banner (unfortunately since they were unexpected I didn't manage to get any pictures).
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on July 30, 2015, 05:35:58 PM
IDOT may take over Arsenal Road from I-55 to Baseline Road in exchange for Will County taking some other secondary routes that are not specified:  Link. (http://www3.illinois.gov/PressReleases/ShowPressRelease.cfm?SubjectID=2&RecNum=13232)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Lyon Wonder on July 30, 2015, 11:45:24 PM
IDOT may take over Arsenal Road from I-55 to Baseline Road in exchange for Will County taking some other secondary routes that are not specified:  Link. (http://www3.illinois.gov/PressReleases/ShowPressRelease.cfm?SubjectID=2&RecNum=13232)

IMO, I wouldn't be surprised the state route IDOT wants to decommission and hand over to Will County is IL-129, since it isn't of much use as a state route since the former Route 66 bridge going over railroad tracks was demolished in the late 1990s and the southbound entrance ramp form I-55 was removed in 2011 too.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on August 08, 2015, 10:09:03 PM
IMO, I wouldn't be surprised the state route IDOT wants to decommission and hand over to Will County is IL-129, since it isn't of much use as a state route since the former Route 66 bridge going over railroad tracks was demolished in the late 1990s and the southbound entrance ramp form I-55 was removed in 2011 too.

I think there are a couple unmarked ones that will go before IL 129, such as the IDOT-maintained sections of Hoff Road, Old Chicago Road, Manhattan-Monee Road, Coal City Road, and West River Road.  Additionally, the interchange with I-55 will probably be rebuilt and reconfigured to a more standard interchange, no matter what happens with the Illiana.     

(Unmarked state routes based on Will County highway system maps (http://www.willcountyillinois.com/County-Offices/Economic-Development/Division-of-Transportation/Highway-System); maps download instead of opening in browser)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: cl94 on August 09, 2015, 02:27:30 PM
After visiting a potential grad school this weekend (University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign), I understand all of the IDOT hate. Pavement conditions were abysmal on just about every IDOT-maintained highway I traveled on and speed limits in most places seemed a bit low. Did like the 3-4 signal heads facing almost every intersection approach.

Are any of the "photo enforced" work zones actually equipped with speed cameras? I passed through a couple on I-74 and didn't see any.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on August 09, 2015, 04:09:50 PM
Are any of the "photo enforced" work zones actually equipped with speed cameras? I passed through a couple on I-74 and didn't see any.

Rarely.  The vans look like this:

(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4820_zps85ef6528.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4820_zps85ef6528.jpg.html)

(http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz298/midamcrossrds/100_4821_zps1e8d5fa1.jpg) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_4821_zps1e8d5fa1.jpg.html)

When active, they have the speed listed in a large LED display above the van.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on August 09, 2015, 05:53:51 PM
Didn't Oberweis pass some bill (that Quinn tried to veto) that raised speed limits in Illinois to 70 mph?

I was under the impression that speed limits in rural Illinois were 70 mph, which is fair for the most part.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: cl94 on August 09, 2015, 05:56:18 PM
Didn't Oberweis pass some bill (that Quinn tried to veto) that raised speed limits in Illinois to 70 mph?

I was under the impression that speed limits in rural Illinois were 70 mph, which is fair for the most part.

They are 70 on Interstate highways
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on August 09, 2015, 05:58:36 PM
Didn't Oberweis pass some bill (that Quinn tried to veto) that raised speed limits in Illinois to 70 mph?

I was under the impression that speed limits in rural Illinois were 70 mph, which is fair for the most part.

They are 70 on Interstate highways

70's not bad at all. How high did you expect it to be?

Found a map:
http://chicagoist.com/2014/01/03/here_are_the_illinois_highways_wher.php
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: cl94 on August 09, 2015, 05:59:04 PM
Didn't Oberweis pass some bill (that Quinn tried to veto) that raised speed limits in Illinois to 70 mph?

I was under the impression that speed limits in rural Illinois were 70 mph, which is fair for the most part.

They are 70 on Interstate highways

70's not bad at all. How high did you expect it to be?

Found a map:
http://chicagoist.com/2014/01/03/here_are_the_illinois_highways_wher.php

I meant surface highways
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on August 09, 2015, 06:03:53 PM
Didn't Oberweis pass some bill (that Quinn tried to veto) that raised speed limits in Illinois to 70 mph?

I was under the impression that speed limits in rural Illinois were 70 mph, which is fair for the most part.

They are 70 on Interstate highways

70's not bad at all. How high did you expect it to be?

Found a map:
http://chicagoist.com/2014/01/03/here_are_the_illinois_highways_wher.php

I meant surface highways

Depends where. Before speed limits were raised on the tollways, there were adjacent state highways that had the same speed limit as a parallel interstate.

I.e. Golf rd (IL-58) had a speed limit (between Barrington and 59, and I think it was lowered to 50) of 55 mph, same as I-90 2 miles north.

Butterfield road (IL-56) west of 59 had a speed limit of 55 mph, same as I-88 2 miles south.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on August 09, 2015, 07:59:54 PM
Depends where. Before speed limits were raised on the tollways, there were adjacent state highways that had the same speed limit as a parallel interstate.


This still seems pretty applicable; still no speed limit change on many of the tollways.

I.e. Golf rd (IL-58) had a speed limit (between Barrington and 59, and I think it was lowered to 50) of 55 mph, same as I-90 2 miles north.

I think you are correct (haven't been a fan of IL 58 since the red light camera went up for WB at Barrington Road, and even less so after the cameras went up for both EB and WB at Bartlett Road).  IL 72 does still have a stretch posted at 55 west of IL 59, which is at this time higher than the speed limit on the tollway (45 in the work zone).

Butterfield road (IL-56) west of 59 had a speed limit of 55 mph, same as I-88 2 miles south.

Couple more examples:

* Many sections of US 41 in Lake County are 55, same as most of the parallel I-94 (though US 41 usually sees a reduction to 45 near any signal).

* Part of US 20 between Belvidere and I-39 is posted at 65 with a couple traffic signals, same as parallel I-90

* If built as currently planned the IL 53 extension will continue this trend.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SSOWorld on August 09, 2015, 09:12:35 PM
Didn't Oberweis pass some bill (that Quinn tried to veto) that raised speed limits in Illinois to 70 mph?

I was under the impression that speed limits in rural Illinois were 70 mph, which is fair for the most part.
A second bill was passed writing language to default the toll roads to 70 unless ISTHA can prove otherwise, Quinn vetoed that one, the legislature overrode the veto, but ISHTA only proposed additional 65s and 60s - then never implemented them.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on August 10, 2015, 10:56:29 AM
Didn't Oberweis pass some bill (that Quinn tried to veto) that raised speed limits in Illinois to 70 mph?

I was under the impression that speed limits in rural Illinois were 70 mph, which is fair for the most part.
A second bill was passed writing language to default the toll roads to 70 unless ISTHA can prove otherwise, Quinn vetoed that one, the legislature overrode the veto, but ISHTA only proposed additional 65s and 60s - then never implemented them.

They might be waiting for construction to pass on I-90/EOE as well as the upcoming I-294 widening.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on August 10, 2015, 09:34:57 PM
I can see waiting for I-90 work to be done but what about I-88? I-294 From I-90 to WI? From golf road to there was 70 before NMSL and WI is going to 70 as well.

I-294 from I-55 to I-80?? I-80 / I-294 to I-94 (end of toll road)  I can see that part going to 65 due to high traffic / trucks / IN being 55?.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on August 11, 2015, 05:05:41 PM
I just drove on I-90 going to Wisconsin dells and was surprised the illinois side of I-90 being lit and the Wisconsin side being unlit.


I can't remember if I-90 has always been lit. Which interstate highways in Illinois/ITHSA highways are lit and which aren't?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SSOWorld on August 11, 2015, 06:55:16 PM
I just drove on I-90 going to Wisconsin dells and was surprised the illinois side of I-90 being lit and the Wisconsin side being unlit.


I can't remember if I-90 has always been lit. Which interstate highways in Illinois/ITHSA highways are lit and which aren't?
I-90 was lit from Rockford to Elgin as part of the 2013-2015 rebuild and I wonder why that is the case.  Can't enjoy a good night drive anymore.  ISHTA did that work.  IDOT doesn't even come close to that quality when it comes to lighting - just putting floodlights up. (varies by district).

WisDOT has a strong preference not to light freeways including bridges and interchanges.  The only areas that are lit are Milwaukee, some of the Beltline in Madison and some of I-41 in Green Bay.  Bridges that are lit are the Frego (I-43 Green Bay), Hoan (I-794), High-Rise (I-94 downtown Milwaukee), Bong (US-2) and Blatnik (I-535 - this one is MnDOT's)  That's only on Freeways.  Local bridges might have lighting on them if the respective local muni installs them.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Big John on August 11, 2015, 07:00:56 PM
^^ WI 172 bridge in Ashwaubenon/Allouez is lit.  Plus I-41 in Oshkosh is lit in the vicinity of the Lake Butte des Morts causeway. 
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: mgk920 on August 11, 2015, 07:07:00 PM
IMHO, the most extreme example of that is the Los Angeles area - very little of their metro-wide freeway network is streetlit.

Mike
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: cl94 on August 11, 2015, 07:28:25 PM
IMHO, the most extreme example of that is the Los Angeles area - very little of their metro-wide freeway network is streetlit.

Mike

Not as extreme, but lights are pretty rare in Upstate New York outside of Rochester. Lights are very hard to find outside of the Buffalo city limits and you won't find anything on Albany freeways. Compare that to Ohio and some other states, which light every interchange and suburban freeway.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tdindy88 on August 11, 2015, 07:28:43 PM
I'm starting to wonder if that stretch of I-90 from Rockford to Elgin, or even to Chicago for that matter counts as the longest lit-up rural highway in the country. I have no idea if there are other such highways elsewhere, maybe in the Northeast or California but that's quite a distance for lights the whole way. I know the entire Tri-State has lights on them and that goes in and out from semi-rural to suburban near the far northern end. I assume the 41/94 corridor north into Wisconsin doesn't have lighting like that?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on August 11, 2015, 07:35:26 PM
I just drove on I-90 going to Wisconsin dells and was surprised the illinois side of I-90 being lit and the Wisconsin side being unlit.


I can't remember if I-90 has always been lit. Which interstate highways in Illinois/ITHSA highways are lit and which aren't?
I-90 was lit from Rockford to Elgin as part of the 2013-2015 rebuild and I wonder why that is the case.  Can't enjoy a good night drive anymore.  ISHTA did that work.  IDOT doesn't even come close to that quality when it comes to lighting - just putting floodlights up. (varies by district).

WisDOT has a strong preference not to light freeways including bridges and interchanges.  The only areas that are lit are Milwaukee, some of the Beltline in Madison and some of I-41 in Green Bay.  Bridges that are lit are the Frego (I-43 Green Bay), Hoan (I-794), High-Rise (I-94 downtown Milwaukee), Bong (US-2) and Blatnik (I-535 - this one is MnDOT's)  That's only on Freeways.  Local bridges might have lighting on them if the respective local muni installs them.

And it looks pretty good (LED lights.) As a whole, the costs for maintenance are probably negligible. LED lights last almost 10-15 years, and use 25-42 watts per head (~5000K temperature) as compared to 100 watts and replacement every 5 years when compared to sodium lamps (as well as the ugly yellow temperature~2700K )

I would say having lit highways in rural areas are more important than urban areas especially when it comes to animals such as deer.

And no, I-94 doesn't have any streetlights in Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on August 11, 2015, 11:27:06 PM
I just drove on I-90 going to Wisconsin dells and was surprised the illinois side of I-90 being lit and the Wisconsin side being unlit.


I can't remember if I-90 has always been lit. Which interstate highways in Illinois/ITHSA highways are lit and which aren't?
I-90 was lit from Rockford to Elgin as part of the 2013-2015 rebuild and I wonder why that is the case.  Can't enjoy a good night drive anymore.  ISHTA did that work.  IDOT doesn't even come close to that quality when it comes to lighting - just putting floodlights up. (varies by district).

WisDOT has a strong preference not to light freeways including bridges and interchanges.  The only areas that are lit are Milwaukee, some of the Beltline in Madison and some of I-41 in Green Bay.  Bridges that are lit are the Frego (I-43 Green Bay), Hoan (I-794), High-Rise (I-94 downtown Milwaukee), Bong (US-2) and Blatnik (I-535 - this one is MnDOT's)  That's only on Freeways.  Local bridges might have lighting on them if the respective local muni installs them.

And it looks pretty good (LED lights.) As a whole, the costs for maintenance are probably negligible. LED lights last almost 10-15 years, and use 25-42 watts per head (~5000K temperature) as compared to 100 watts and replacement every 5 years when compared to sodium lamps (as well as the ugly yellow temperature~2700K )

I would say having lit highways in rural areas are more important than urban areas especially when it comes to animals such as deer.

And no, I-94 doesn't have any streetlights in Wisconsin.

ISTHA is notoriously efficient at lighting up the tollways. Besides I-90, IL-390 (Elgin-O'Hare Tollway) is also getting the LED treatment on the existing section as part of the rehab. What's funny is the section at I-290 where IDOT is still using the older sodium lamps on their portion of the construction, it just badly contrasts. I imagine all new ISTHA construction will use LED lighting going forward (probably next will be the I-294 Central Section Rebuild and I'm hoping IL-53 Extension, if they decide to build it). As far as IDOT, their lighting in District 1 is actually pretty efficient (though not quite as modern or elaborate as ISTHA of late). It's anything outside of District 1 that isn't as good, and appears to be "flood lights", although District 8 seems to be coming around on that (see the lighting replacement on I-255).

Overall, IDOT and ISTHA each run circles around other states in terms of lighting the highways, and I'm especially pointing at WI and MO. WI, as noted above, doesn't seem to believe in lighting in most spots in general, except Milwaukee it seems. MO haphazardly lights up interchanges using what appears to be the cheapest lighting material they can find, and one light pole at the end of a ramp does not constitute lighting an interchange (they do this in rural and urban areas). In short, Illinois does a good job of lighting highways, and friends of mine from out of state seem to comment a lot about how much it must cost to light up our roads.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on August 11, 2015, 11:50:02 PM
I just drove on I-90 going to Wisconsin dells and was surprised the illinois side of I-90 being lit and the Wisconsin side being unlit.


I can't remember if I-90 has always been lit. Which interstate highways in Illinois/ITHSA highways are lit and which aren't?
I-90 was lit from Rockford to Elgin as part of the 2013-2015 rebuild and I wonder why that is the case.  Can't enjoy a good night drive anymore.  ISHTA did that work.  IDOT doesn't even come close to that quality when it comes to lighting - just putting floodlights up. (varies by district).

WisDOT has a strong preference not to light freeways including bridges and interchanges.  The only areas that are lit are Milwaukee, some of the Beltline in Madison and some of I-41 in Green Bay.  Bridges that are lit are the Frego (I-43 Green Bay), Hoan (I-794), High-Rise (I-94 downtown Milwaukee), Bong (US-2) and Blatnik (I-535 - this one is MnDOT's)  That's only on Freeways.  Local bridges might have lighting on them if the respective local muni installs them.

And it looks pretty good (LED lights.) As a whole, the costs for maintenance are probably negligible. LED lights last almost 10-15 years, and use 25-42 watts per head (~5000K temperature) as compared to 100 watts and replacement every 5 years when compared to sodium lamps (as well as the ugly yellow temperature~2700K )

I would say having lit highways in rural areas are more important than urban areas especially when it comes to animals such as deer.

And no, I-94 doesn't have any streetlights in Wisconsin.

ISTHA is notoriously efficient at lighting up the tollways. Besides I-90, IL-390 (Elgin-O'Hare Tollway) is also getting the LED treatment on the existing section as part of the rehab. What's funny is the section at I-290 where IDOT is still using the older sodium lamps on their portion of the construction, it just badly contrasts. I imagine all new ISTHA construction will use LED lighting going forward (probably next will be the I-294 Central Section Rebuild and I'm hoping IL-53 Extension, if they decide to build it). As far as IDOT, their lighting in District 1 is actually pretty efficient (though not quite as modern or elaborate as ISTHA of late). It's anything outside of District 1 that isn't as good, and appears to be "flood lights", although District 8 seems to be coming around on that (see the lighting replacement on I-255).

Overall, IDOT and ISTHA each run circles around other states in terms of lighting the highways, and I'm especially pointing at WI and MO. WI, as noted above, doesn't seem to believe in lighting in most spots in general, except Milwaukee it seems. MO haphazardly lights up interchanges using what appears to be the cheapest lighting material they can find, and one light pole at the end of a ramp does not constitute lighting an interchange (they do this in rural and urban areas). In short, Illinois does a good job of lighting highways, and friends of mine from out of state seem to comment a lot about how much it must cost to light up our roads.

Talk about inefficiency. When (and sodium lamps do often) blow out, wouldn't it just make sense to just convert it to LED right then and there? Initially, you'll get the color mismatch, but over time, it shouldn't matter as the sodium lamps were slowly converted to LED and the savings should pay for itself. As simple as street lights are, there's a ton of safety involved as well as avoidance of accidents. It's the simple things, none of these high tech gizmos such as autonomous driving or lane avoidance gadgets. I'm assuming the costs with LED lights aren't that much. LEDs last 2-3 times longer than traditional sodium lamps and use 1/2 to 2/3rd less power.


LEDs don't "burn" out like traditional bulbs; they slowly dim over time. They're rated at 70% light output until they're deemed past their lifespan. So in other words, you can have LEDS run much much longer than sodium lamps past their rated lifespan and probably no one would even know.

My town is slowly converting our neighborhood street lamps to LED. Instead of just converting it in the traditional sense via big batches, if a street light fails, they just change it out with an LED equivalent. 
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on August 11, 2015, 11:54:37 PM

I just drove on I-90 going to Wisconsin dells and was surprised the illinois side of I-90 being lit and the Wisconsin side being unlit.


I can't remember if I-90 has always been lit. Which interstate highways in Illinois/ITHSA highways are lit and which aren't?
I-90 was lit from Rockford to Elgin as part of the 2013-2015 rebuild and I wonder why that is the case.  Can't enjoy a good night drive anymore.  ISHTA did that work.  IDOT doesn't even come close to that quality when it comes to lighting - just putting floodlights up. (varies by district).

WisDOT has a strong preference not to light freeways including bridges and interchanges.  The only areas that are lit are Milwaukee, some of the Beltline in Madison and some of I-41 in Green Bay.  Bridges that are lit are the Frego (I-43 Green Bay), Hoan (I-794), High-Rise (I-94 downtown Milwaukee), Bong (US-2) and Blatnik (I-535 - this one is MnDOT's)  That's only on Freeways.  Local bridges might have lighting on them if the respective local muni installs them.

And it looks pretty good (LED lights.) As a whole, the costs for maintenance are probably negligible. LED lights last almost 10-15 years, and use 25-42 watts per head (~5000K temperature) as compared to 100 watts and replacement every 5 years when compared to sodium lamps (as well as the ugly yellow temperature~2700K )

I would say having lit highways in rural areas are more important than urban areas especially when it comes to animals such as deer.

And no, I-94 doesn't have any streetlights in Wisconsin.

ISTHA is notoriously efficient at lighting up the tollways. Besides I-90, IL-390 (Elgin-O'Hare Tollway) is also getting the LED treatment on the existing section as part of the rehab. What's funny is the section at I-290 where IDOT is still using the older sodium lamps on their portion of the construction, it just badly contrasts. I imagine all new ISTHA construction will use LED lighting going forward (probably next will be the I-294 Central Section Rebuild and I'm hoping IL-53 Extension, if they decide to build it). As far as IDOT, their lighting in District 1 is actually pretty efficient (though not quite as modern or elaborate as ISTHA of late). It's anything outside of District 1 that isn't as good, and appears to be "flood lights", although District 8 seems to be coming around on that (see the lighting replacement on I-255).

Overall, IDOT and ISTHA each run circles around other states in terms of lighting the highways, and I'm especially pointing at WI and MO. WI, as noted above, doesn't seem to believe in lighting in most spots in general, except Milwaukee it seems. MO haphazardly lights up interchanges using what appears to be the cheapest lighting material they can find, and one light pole at the end of a ramp does not constitute lighting an interchange (they do this in rural and urban areas). In short, Illinois does a good job of lighting highways, and friends of mine from out of state seem to comment a lot about how much it must cost to light up our roads.

Talk about inefficiency. When (and sodium lamps do often) blow out, wouldn't it just make sense to just convert it to LED right then and there? Initially, you'll get the color mismatch, but over time, it shouldn't matter as the sodium lamps were slowly converted to LED and the savings should pay for itself. As simple as street lights are, there's a ton of safety involved as well as avoidance of accidents. It's the simple things, none of these high tech gizmos such as autonomous driving or lane avoidance gadgets. I'm assuming the costs with LED lights aren't that much. LEDs last 2-3 times longer than traditional sodium lamps and use 1/2 to 2/3rd less power.


LEDs don't "burn" out like traditional bulbs; they slowly dim over time. They're rated at 70% light output until they're deemed past their lifespan. So in other words, you can have LEDS run much much longer than sodium lamps past their rated lifespan and probably no one would even know.

My town is slowly converting our neighborhood street lamps to LED. Instead of just converting it in the traditional sense via big batches, if a street light fails, they just change it out with an LED equivalent.

Illinois isn't so good at the whole do what common sense dictates thing though.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on August 12, 2015, 05:38:43 PM
Actually, Illinois is changing the sodium lights to the LEDs when they finish a stretch of construction. I-190 is now almost all LED between the terminals and Mannheim Rd.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on August 13, 2015, 12:10:01 AM
Actually, Illinois is changing the sodium lights to the LEDs when they finish a stretch of construction. I-190 is now almost all LED between the terminals and Mannheim Rd.

That stretch of I-190 is maintained by the CDOT (City of Chicago), and not IDOT. It looks like they replaced the light poles and everything with a more modern standard. Bessie Coleman Drive in that area is also seeing the lighting replaced. CDOT is starting to use LED lighting (see Lake Shore Drive) along with the tollway. Now if IDOT would start using it as well...
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on August 13, 2015, 01:27:20 AM
Actually, Illinois is changing the sodium lights to the LEDs when they finish a stretch of construction. I-190 is now almost all LED between the terminals and Mannheim Rd.

That stretch of I-190 is maintained by the CDOT (City of Chicago), and not IDOT. It looks like they replaced the light poles and everything with a more modern standard. Bessie Coleman Drive in that area is also seeing the lighting replaced. CDOT is starting to use LED lighting (see Lake Shore Drive) along with the tollway. Now if IDOT would start using it as well...

I wonder if they'll put those new poles on Mannheim as well through there, which has been under a massive overhaul for the better part of 2 years
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SSOWorld on August 13, 2015, 04:18:34 PM
Actually, Illinois is changing the sodium lights to the LEDs when they finish a stretch of construction. I-190 is now almost all LED between the terminals and Mannheim Rd.

That stretch of I-190 is maintained by the CDOT (City of Chicago), and not IDOT. It looks like they replaced the light poles and everything with a more modern standard. Bessie Coleman Drive in that area is also seeing the lighting replaced. CDOT is starting to use LED lighting (see Lake Shore Drive) along with the tollway. Now if IDOT would start using it as well...

I wonder if they'll put those new poles on Mannheim as well through there, which has been under a massive overhaul for the better part of 2 years
That's one IDOT Summer.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on August 13, 2015, 05:04:58 PM
Actually, Illinois is changing the sodium lights to the LEDs when they finish a stretch of construction. I-190 is now almost all LED between the terminals and Mannheim Rd.

That stretch of I-190 is maintained by the CDOT (City of Chicago), and not IDOT. It looks like they replaced the light poles and everything with a more modern standard. Bessie Coleman Drive in that area is also seeing the lighting replaced. CDOT is starting to use LED lighting (see Lake Shore Drive) along with the tollway. Now if IDOT would start using it as well...

I wonder if they'll put those new poles on Mannheim as well through there, which has been under a massive overhaul for the better part of 2 years
That's one IDOT Summer.

To be fair, the scope of this project was pretty big, especially the Balmoral underpass.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Lyon Wonder on August 18, 2015, 07:11:01 PM
According to this article, which is being discussed in the General Highway Talk forum, there's a proposal by the federal government to reduce I-180 to 2 lanes, which would make it a super-2.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:udt0D7cabQEJ:newstrib.com/main.asp%3FSectionID%3D2%26SubSectionID%3D232%26ArticleID%3D45768+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

I won't be surprised that I-180 gets downgraded at some point.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on August 22, 2015, 12:44:45 AM
I won't be surprised that I-180 gets downgraded at some point.

The N-S portion of I-180 is critical to extend the proposed IL-29 4-laning to I-80 (when/if it ever happens, but there IS an approved EIS for it).  If for no other reason, the locals will resist any effort to downgrade 180.  They are getting a few congresspeople involved in looking into "whose" idea this is...no one seems to be taking credit for it at this point.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Stratuscaster on August 22, 2015, 05:22:16 PM
Last thing I read was that there's no formal discussion and any action at all is 10-20 years out.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Lyon Wonder on September 23, 2015, 08:51:24 PM
IDOT is testing concrete and buffer overlay paving on a section of I-72 between Springfield and Decatur.

http://www.sj-r.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20150904%2FNEWS%2F150909723%2F   (http://www.sj-r.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20150904%2FNEWS%2F150909723%2F)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on October 26, 2015, 02:44:24 PM
The Tollway is going to be reconstructing the Farnsworth Ave interchange at I-88 beginning next year.

http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/15912/Bid+Letting+Schedule.pdf (http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/15912/Bid+Letting+Schedule.pdf)

Does anyone know what the specific plans are?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on October 26, 2015, 08:33:42 PM
http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/15912/Bid+Letting+Schedule.pdf (http://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/10157/15912/Bid+Letting+Schedule.pdf)

I don't recall seeing that entry for widening SB I-355 from "North of 71st St to Southof 75th St Milepost 16.10 to 15.6."  I would have though this was to try and bring the fourth SB through lane down to the Boughton Toll Plaza, but the southern terminus of the project does not appear to be far enough south to tie into the auxiliary lane gained south of 75th Street.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on April 17, 2016, 09:16:28 PM
Dusting off this thread rather than starting a new one . . .

If anyone is driving I-80 between I-74/I-280 and I-39, there are width restriction signs with shields for US 26 instead of IL 26 at the IL 26 interchange.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: pianocello on April 18, 2016, 09:56:07 PM
Dusting off this thread rather than starting a new one . . .

If anyone is driving I-80 between I-74/I-280 and I-39, there are width restriction signs with shields for US 26 instead of IL 26 at the IL 26 interchange.

Thanks for the heads-up. I'll have my camera (app) ready when I go past it in a month or so.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on April 18, 2016, 10:17:51 PM
It looks like the orange glow over Chicago may be on its way out. The city revealed a bold plan to replace all the remaining sodium vapor light fixtures over the next four years.

http://abc7chicago.com/news/chicago-to-upgrade-270000-street-lights-over-4-years-/1296000/

This is the first major upgrade to the street lamps in about 40 years. This is definitely long overdue, and it'll be interesting to see this implemented over the next four years.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on April 19, 2016, 01:41:04 AM
Dusting off this thread rather than starting a new one . . .

If anyone is driving I-80 between I-74/I-280 and I-39, there are width restriction signs with shields for US 26 instead of IL 26 at the IL 26 interchange.

That's a long-awaited project to widen IL 26 north of the I-80 overhead bridge, where the roadway and bridge widths are horribly mismatched. The project had been sitting on the shelf for at least 5 years, I left IDOT over 6 years ago, and the plans were nearly done at that time.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on April 19, 2016, 09:43:12 AM
It looks like the orange glow over Chicago may be on its way out. The city revealed a bold plan to replace all the remaining sodium vapor light fixtures over the next four years.

http://abc7chicago.com/news/chicago-to-upgrade-270000-street-lights-over-4-years-/1296000/

This is the first major upgrade to the street lamps in about 40 years. This is definitely long overdue, and it'll be interesting to see this implemented over the next four years.

I've seen small testing zones. Most of the new bulbs give off the same amount of light.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on April 19, 2016, 07:33:33 PM
It looks like the orange glow over Chicago may be on its way out. The city revealed a bold plan to replace all the remaining sodium vapor light fixtures over the next four years.

http://abc7chicago.com/news/chicago-to-upgrade-270000-street-lights-over-4-years-/1296000/

This is the first major upgrade to the street lamps in about 40 years. This is definitely long overdue, and it'll be interesting to see this implemented over the next four years.

I've seen small testing zones. Most of the new bulbs give off the same amount of light.

I could imagine, and if anything, one would hope so. That said, the orange glow, in large part, comes from the old school sodium vapor lights, so it'll likely become more of a whitetish glow as time goes on.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on May 14, 2016, 02:58:36 PM
Checked out the new upgrades to Mannheim Road (US-12/45) east of O'Hare. Most of the main roadwork is done between Irving Park (IL-19) and Higgens (IL-72) with 3 lanes in both directions. Balmoral Ave has a full interchange with Mannheim as well as access to O'Hare. There's also access to both Balmoral and Mannheim from eastbound I-190.

There are empty bridge piers to the north of I-190 on Mannheim so I'm assuming there is something more going in.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on May 14, 2016, 03:08:07 PM
Checked out the new upgrades to Mannheim Road (US-12/45) east of O'Hare. Most of the main roadwork is done between Irving Park (IL-19) and Higgens (IL-72) with 3 lanes in both directions. Balmoral Ave has a full interchange with Mannheim as well as access to O'Hare. There's also access to both Balmoral and Mannheim from eastbound I-190.

There are empty bridge piers to the north of I-190 on Mannheim so I'm assuming there is something more going in.
ATS to the new parking

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-ohare-parking-rental-car-garage-20150523-story.html
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on May 16, 2016, 05:47:22 PM
I've seen small testing zones. Most of the new bulbs give off the same amount of light.

With the installation of new fixtures, there will probably be an increased emphasis on avoiding stray lighting with more "directed" beams and less upward cast.  So the effect of the "haze" at a distance may be reduced when enough of the new fixtures are changed out.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on May 16, 2016, 09:48:56 PM
It's so weird to see the new lights. I haven't driven on 88 in months and last Friday I went to O'Hare, the lights on the stretch of 88 from Highland to York is so weird. I'm not used to it nor will I ever get used to it. I prefer the original ones, I understand why we need the newer bulbs.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on May 16, 2016, 11:41:36 PM
It's so weird to see the new lights. I haven't driven on 88 in months and last Friday I went to O'Hare, the lights on the stretch of 88 from Highland to York is so weird. I'm not used to it nor will I ever get used to it. I prefer the original ones, I understand why we need the newer bulbs.

Have they replaced the lights on I-88 with LED's?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on May 17, 2016, 09:53:57 AM
It's so weird to see the new lights. I haven't driven on 88 in months and last Friday I went to O'Hare, the lights on the stretch of 88 from Highland to York is so weird. I'm not used to it nor will I ever get used to it. I prefer the original ones, I understand why we need the newer bulbs.

Have they replaced the lights on I-88 with LED's?

Yup, low energy LEDs. Currently there up between highland and york on 88 and on the bensenville bridge on 294
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on May 17, 2016, 01:34:05 PM
It's so weird to see the new lights. I haven't driven on 88 in months and last Friday I went to O'Hare, the lights on the stretch of 88 from Highland to York is so weird. I'm not used to it nor will I ever get used to it. I prefer the original ones, I understand why we need the newer bulbs.

Have they replaced the lights on I-88 with LED's?

Yup, low energy LEDs. Currently there up between highland and york on 88 and on the bensenville bridge on 294

Are you sure? They look like they're 5000K HID lights rather than LED.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on May 17, 2016, 05:43:13 PM
It's so weird to see the new lights. I haven't driven on 88 in months and last Friday I went to O'Hare, the lights on the stretch of 88 from Highland to York is so weird. I'm not used to it nor will I ever get used to it. I prefer the original ones, I understand why we need the newer bulbs.

Have they replaced the lights on I-88 with LED's?

Yup, low energy LEDs. Currently there up between highland and york on 88 and on the bensenville bridge on 294

Are you sure? They look like they're 5000K HID lights rather than LED.

It's what the article posted by Chi stated. Don't know technical specifications
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on May 17, 2016, 11:57:11 PM
It's so weird to see the new lights. I haven't driven on 88 in months and last Friday I went to O'Hare, the lights on the stretch of 88 from Highland to York is so weird. I'm not used to it nor will I ever get used to it. I prefer the original ones, I understand why we need the newer bulbs.

Have they replaced the lights on I-88 with LED's?

Yup, low energy LEDs. Currently there up between highland and york on 88 and on the bensenville bridge on 294

Are you sure? They look like they're 5000K HID lights rather than LED.

It's what the article posted by Chi stated. Don't know technical specifications

That article was about Chicago phasing out HID headlights to LED, not the tollway.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on May 18, 2016, 09:39:07 AM
It's so weird to see the new lights. I haven't driven on 88 in months and last Friday I went to O'Hare, the lights on the stretch of 88 from Highland to York is so weird. I'm not used to it nor will I ever get used to it. I prefer the original ones, I understand why we need the newer bulbs.

Have they replaced the lights on I-88 with LED's?

Yup, low energy LEDs. Currently there up between highland and york on 88 and on the bensenville bridge on 294

Are you sure? They look like they're 5000K HID lights rather than LED.

It's what the article posted by Chi stated. Don't know technical specifications

That article was about Chicago phasing out HID headlights to LED, not the tollway.

Oops, whatever they use... lol
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on May 28, 2016, 03:16:51 AM
http://www.idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/Transportation-System/Reports/OP&P/HIP/2017-2022/Project%20Listing.pdf

Not sure if anyone read the new 2017-2022 highway program.

Overall, not bad. I'm glad they're 8 laning the Kennedy from Cumberland to Harlem. I'm assuming they're stopping the 4 laning at Harlem since they already own the ROW up until Harlem and not until the Edens since they don't own the ROW and 4 laning over the edens overpass can be pricey.

However, I can tell you for a fact, gas tax revenue is going up. Gas prices are low, people are driving more. My own municipality has received 22% more funding than projected due to more gas tax revenue from IDOT just this month.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on May 28, 2016, 07:23:58 AM
Prices have been nice. Even with the increase, $2.50-$2.70 a gallon isn't too bad for memorial weekend
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: captkirk_4 on May 28, 2016, 11:30:42 AM
It's so weird to see the new lights. I haven't driven on 88 in months and last Friday I went to O'Hare, the lights on the stretch of 88 from Highland to York is so weird. I'm not used to it nor will I ever get used to it. I prefer the original ones, I understand why we need the newer bulbs.

This LED thing must be what they recently put in the lights in downtown Champaign. Dimmer bluish glow, could use a bit more color balancing to make it more normal but not as hideous as that unnatural orange only haze that used to hang over most towns. You'd always know where the cites were at night even in clouds from a commercial fight by the sudden orange glow below. Get away to the middle of nowhere, like the desolate town of Strawn, and you really can see the Milky Way at night, these orange street lamps are that bad that they ruined the night sky. Good riddance.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: quickshade on May 28, 2016, 11:33:01 AM
Willing to pay the increase as long as I see results, especially since its just to level the tax out to what it should be. Hopefully we can still get a budget out of the state this year.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on May 28, 2016, 06:12:30 PM
http://www.idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/Transportation-System/Reports/OP&P/HIP/2017-2022/Project%20Listing.pdf

Not sure if anyone read the new 2017-2022 highway program.

Overall, not bad. I'm glad they're 8 laning the Kennedy from Cumberland to Harlem. I'm assuming they're stopping the 4 laning at Harlem since they already own the ROW up until Harlem and not until the Edens since they don't own the ROW and 4 laning over the edens overpass can be pricey.

However, I can tell you for a fact, gas tax revenue is going up. Gas prices are low, people are driving more. My own municipality has received 22% more funding than projected due to more gas tax revenue from IDOT just this month.

There is that tunnel also by the Edens there is not a lot of room to fit in 4+3 lanes. Maybe have one become express / end when closed.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on May 28, 2016, 10:54:11 PM
http://www.idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/Transportation-System/Reports/OP&P/HIP/2017-2022/Project%20Listing.pdf

Not sure if anyone read the new 2017-2022 highway program.

Overall, not bad. I'm glad they're 8 laning the Kennedy from Cumberland to Harlem. I'm assuming they're stopping the 4 laning at Harlem since they already own the ROW up until Harlem and not until the Edens since they don't own the ROW and 4 laning over the edens overpass can be pricey.

However, I can tell you for a fact, gas tax revenue is going up. Gas prices are low, people are driving more. My own municipality has received 22% more funding than projected due to more gas tax revenue from IDOT just this month.

There is that tunnel also by the Edens there is not a lot of room to fit in 4+3 lanes. Maybe have one become express / end when closed.

On the kennedy, that's not usually the chokepoint. The chokepoint is when Jane addams turns into the kennedy and you have everyone trying to merge and some people trying to get off cumberland south to get to the cta station.

Thankfully, the cumberland flyover should solve many of those problems.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on June 02, 2016, 09:48:26 PM

On the kennedy, that's not usually the chokepoint. The chokepoint is when Jane addams turns into the kennedy and you have everyone trying to merge and some people trying to get off cumberland south to get to the cta station.

Thankfully, the cumberland flyover should solve many of those problems.

They should call that "The Rosemont Strangler"  :biggrin:
I'm interested to see how the Cumberland flyover helps things.  Or if it's just gonna push the point of jamming slightly farther ahead.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on June 03, 2016, 12:02:40 AM
Well to Harlem possibly, since studies are in to expand the Kennedy to 4 lanes from I-190 to Harlem. Obviously the Cumberland flyover is part of it.

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/projects/i90-study (http://www.idot.illinois.gov/projects/i90-study)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on June 03, 2016, 12:44:40 AM
Well to Harlem possibly, since studies are in to expand the Kennedy to 4 lanes from I-190 to Harlem. Obviously the Cumberland flyover is part of it.

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/projects/i90-study (http://www.idot.illinois.gov/projects/i90-study)

4 laning the Kennedy to Harlem is in IDOT's 2017-2022 plan, but it's a separate project from the cumberland flyover which is being constructed right now.

I would say most of the "rosemont traffic" is due to the poor intersection of Cumberland and 90. You have idiots all the way on the left who swing hard right to get off cumberland south to get to the cta station.

Once you get 1 mile east of cumberland, traffic smooths out nicely.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on June 04, 2016, 10:32:37 PM
Well to Harlem possibly, since studies are in to expand the Kennedy to 4 lanes from I-190 to Harlem. Obviously the Cumberland flyover is part of it.

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/projects/i90-study (http://www.idot.illinois.gov/projects/i90-study)

4 laning the Kennedy to Harlem is in IDOT's 2017-2022 plan, but it's a separate project from the cumberland flyover which is being constructed right now.

I would say most of the "rosemont traffic" is due to the poor intersection of Cumberland and 90. You have idiots all the way on the left who swing hard right to get off cumberland south to get to the cta station.

Once you get 1 mile east of cumberland, traffic smooths out nicely.

I think if the ISTHA were to have signs directing drivers from I-90 to I-190 West to Manheim to access Rosemont, this would help that traffic a lot. The new ramp to Balmoral from Manheim actually makes things a lot easier, but few people know about it. I've learned quickly to do that, and it makes life a lot easier (anything to avoid that mess at the River Road Toll Plaza).
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on June 06, 2016, 12:48:29 AM
Looks like the EB 290 ramp to SB 294 is being closed 06/11


I guess they're repaving the road, but can I be a little wishful in hoping that they add 2 lanes? Traffic is damn terrible in the morning just because of the terrible design of the ramp.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on June 06, 2016, 06:59:17 AM
Looks like the EB 290 ramp to SB 294 is being closed 06/11


I guess they're repaving the road, but can I be a little wishful in hoping that they add 2 lanes? Traffic is damn terrible in the morning just because of the terrible design of the ramp.

A second lane would make that worse than it is now.  The problem is the very short space before the exit to I-88 west after that ramp merges into south I-294.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on June 06, 2016, 08:16:03 AM
Looks like the EB 290 ramp to SB 294 is being closed 06/11


I guess they're repaving the road, but can I be a little wishful in hoping that they add 2 lanes? Traffic is damn terrible in the morning just because of the terrible design of the ramp.

A second lane would make that worse than it is now.  The problem is the very short space before the exit to I-88 west after that ramp merges into south I-294.
Also can use some realignment. and a aux lane from st charles rd
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on June 08, 2016, 09:31:23 AM
Here's a novel use for a low-ADT interstate in Illinois...

http://newstrib.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=28&ArticleID=51611&TM=34242.24
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: mgk920 on June 08, 2016, 10:27:00 AM
Here's a novel use for a low-ADT interstate in Illinois...

http://newstrib.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=28&ArticleID=51611&TM=34242.24

(paywall)

 :banghead:

Mike
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Henry on June 08, 2016, 10:44:53 AM
It works for me.

I-180 could sure use a downgrade, since all those businesses on the other end of it have long since left, essentially making it a spur to nowhere.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on June 08, 2016, 05:29:50 PM
It works for me.

I-180 could sure use a downgrade, since all those businesses on the other end of it have long since left, essentially making it a spur to nowhere.

mgk, the synopsis of the article was that a private plane made an emergency landing on I-180, and the pilot remarked that he thought the road was closed because there were no vehicles on it.

Henry, there is a big ethanol plant north of the abandoned steel mill that wasn't there until a few years ago, and Acelor Mittal is trying to market the steel mill property to other potential industrial developers. So it's not exactly a road to nowhere, but more of a road to not much.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on June 08, 2016, 11:15:18 PM
It works for me.

I-180 could sure use a downgrade, since all those businesses on the other end of it have long since left, essentially making it a spur to nowhere.

mgk, the synopsis of the article was that a private plane made an emergency landing on I-180, and the pilot remarked that he thought the road was closed because there were no vehicles on it.

Henry, there is a big ethanol plant north of the abandoned steel mill that wasn't there until a few years ago, and Acelor Mittal is trying to market the steel mill property to other potential industrial developers. So it's not exactly a road to nowhere, but more of a road to not much.

If looking at a bigger picture map, it is obvious that this could fill in as a Chicago-Peoria route if IDOT were to ever get the funding. If that happened, it would well serve a purpose. I don't see a point in "downgrading", but I also would say it is lower on the list of IDOT's Interstate maintenance priorities.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on June 09, 2016, 11:59:07 AM

If looking at a bigger picture map, it is obvious that this could fill in as a Chicago-Peoria route if IDOT were to ever get the funding. If that happened, it would well serve a purpose. I don't see a point in "downgrading", but I also would say it is lower on the list of IDOT's Interstate maintenance priorities.

Wasn't the connection to 474 killed?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: dvferyance on June 09, 2016, 12:38:42 PM
It works for me.

I-180 could sure use a downgrade, since all those businesses on the other end of it have long since left, essentially making it a spur to nowhere.
That's way over the top. Many even thought my suggestion to eliminate one ramp was over the top this is an entire freeway.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rothman on June 09, 2016, 02:12:51 PM
It works for me.

I-180 could sure use a downgrade, since all those businesses on the other end of it have long since left, essentially making it a spur to nowhere.
That's way over the top. Many even thought my suggestion to eliminate one ramp was over the top this is an entire freeway.

I dunno.  Robert Moses Parkway north of Niagara Falls was reduced to a two-lane road.  I'm sure it can be done elsewhere.  At some point, the DOT has to ask, "Why are we paying to maintain this?"
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on June 09, 2016, 02:34:28 PM
It works for me.

I-180 could sure use a downgrade, since all those businesses on the other end of it have long since left, essentially making it a spur to nowhere.
That's way over the top. Many even thought my suggestion to eliminate one ramp was over the top this is an entire freeway.

I've often thought that I-180 should be extended to I-39, creating a loop around the LaSalle-Peru area.  Yeah, little need for it, but a complete loop would be an attractive incentive for developers.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on June 09, 2016, 02:54:25 PM
Here's a novel use for a low-ADT interstate in Illinois...

http://newstrib.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=28&ArticleID=51611&TM=34242.24

(paywall)

 :banghead:

Mike

We could put two lanes of traffic on the SB side of the highway, and reserve the NB side for planes  :D (or vice versa)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: dvferyance on June 10, 2016, 06:06:54 PM
It works for me.

I-180 could sure use a downgrade, since all those businesses on the other end of it have long since left, essentially making it a spur to nowhere.
That's way over the top. Many even thought my suggestion to eliminate one ramp was over the top this is an entire freeway.

I dunno.  Robert Moses Parkway north of Niagara Falls was reduced to a two-lane road.  I'm sure it can be done elsewhere.  At some point, the DOT has to ask, "Why are we paying to maintain this?"
In another thread I suggested doing away with the SB 294 to 80 WB movement due to redundancy with I-57. Much reaction was it's bad idea.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on June 10, 2016, 10:57:25 PM
It works for me.

I-180 could sure use a downgrade, since all those businesses on the other end of it have long since left, essentially making it a spur to nowhere.
That's way over the top. Many even thought my suggestion to eliminate one ramp was over the top this is an entire freeway.

I dunno.  Robert Moses Parkway north of Niagara Falls was reduced to a two-lane road.  I'm sure it can be done elsewhere.  At some point, the DOT has to ask, "Why are we paying to maintain this?"
In another thread I suggested doing away with the SB 294 to 80 WB movement due to redundancy with I-57. Much reaction was it's bad idea.

If they decide to do an interchange reconstruction, they could eliminate those two ramps in the process, to cut costs.  Otherwise, it's not worth it to start up a demolition project just to delete them.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on June 11, 2016, 04:52:05 AM
Looks like the EB 290 ramp to SB 294 is being closed 06/11


I guess they're repaving the road, but can I be a little wishful in hoping that they add 2 lanes? Traffic is damn terrible in the morning just because of the terrible design of the ramp.

A second lane would make that worse than it is now.  The problem is the very short space before the exit to I-88 west after that ramp merges into south I-294.

Just drove through this stretch today.

It's really, ITHSA's problem, not IDOT's. Not sure how they're going to fix it, but I suppose it could be worked on when ITHSA works on the central portion of 5 laning the tristate
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on June 14, 2016, 05:03:34 PM

If looking at a bigger picture map, it is obvious that this could fill in as a Chicago-Peoria route if IDOT were to ever get the funding. If that happened, it would well serve a purpose. I don't see a point in "downgrading", but I also would say it is lower on the list of IDOT's Interstate maintenance priorities.

Wasn't the connection to 474 killed?

Still under study as the "Eastern Bypass" by IDOT District 4.

http://www.easternbypass.com/Default.aspx
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on June 14, 2016, 05:08:46 PM
It works for me.

I-180 could sure use a downgrade, since all those businesses on the other end of it have long since left, essentially making it a spur to nowhere.
That's way over the top. Many even thought my suggestion to eliminate one ramp was over the top this is an entire freeway.

I've often thought that I-180 should be extended to I-39, creating a loop around the LaSalle-Peru area.  Yeah, little need for it, but a complete loop would be an attractive incentive for developers.

There was an alternative to connect I-180 to I-39 (near IL 71) in addition to 4-laning IL 29 as part of a Peoria-to-Chicago route, but not selected as the final alternative.  An upgraded 4-lane IL 29 (which has an approved EIS) would connect IL 6 with the southern branch of the IL 29/I-180 interchange. No funding to get it built as of yet.

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/projects/il-29-project-study
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on June 14, 2016, 08:58:20 PM
It works for me.

I-180 could sure use a downgrade, since all those businesses on the other end of it have long since left, essentially making it a spur to nowhere.
That's way over the top. Many even thought my suggestion to eliminate one ramp was over the top this is an entire freeway.

I've often thought that I-180 should be extended to I-39, creating a loop around the LaSalle-Peru area.  Yeah, little need for it, but a complete loop would be an attractive incentive for developers.

There was an alternative to connect I-180 to I-39 (near IL 71) in addition to 4-laning IL 29 as part of a Peoria-to-Chicago route, but not selected as the final alternative.  An upgraded 4-lane IL 29 (which has an approved EIS) would connect IL 6 with the southern branch of the IL 29/I-180 interchange. No funding to get it built as of yet.

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/projects/il-29-project-study

And it's not really necessary. Much more important things for IDOT to be spending their limited money on.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on June 17, 2016, 10:41:24 PM
Couple quick notes:

* The new toll plaza on the ramp from WB I-90 to Genoa Road appears to have a full-speed I-Pass lane:  Streetview (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2356299,-88.8165998,3a,75y,297.57h,86.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbCGzeEZVSWh9q0xyQf1eBQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en).  Not seeing any of the 15 mph signs usually found for the ramp I-Pass lanes.

* Possibly the only doghouse signal in Illinois: Washington Street at North Avenue in Naperville (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7786284,-88.1476451,3a,57.9y,105.62h,89.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWn2j8bAMOPhffojTZKgGAw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on June 18, 2016, 08:28:05 AM
That's interesting, that reminds of the really strange signal at Naper Blvd and Plank Road. The signal has two red lights and it forms a T.

http://www.billburmaster.com/rmsandw/illinois/images/signaperblvd0211.jpg (http://www.billburmaster.com/rmsandw/illinois/images/signaperblvd0211.jpg)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on June 18, 2016, 02:59:24 PM
That's interesting, that reminds of the really strange signal at Naper Blvd and Plank Road. The signal has two red lights and it forms a T.

http://www.billburmaster.com/rmsandw/illinois/images/signaperblvd0211.jpg (http://www.billburmaster.com/rmsandw/illinois/images/signaperblvd0211.jpg)

Hahaha, that signal looks like some type of alien or robot with the two red lights being like eyes!
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: captkirk_4 on June 23, 2016, 10:29:27 AM
It works for me.

I-180 could sure use a downgrade, since all those businesses on the other end of it have long since left, essentially making it a spur to nowhere.

mgk, the synopsis of the article was that a private plane made an emergency landing on I-180, and the pilot remarked that he thought the road was closed because there were no vehicles on it.

Henry, there is a big ethanol plant north of the abandoned steel mill that wasn't there until a few years ago, and Acelor Mittal is trying to market the steel mill property to other potential industrial developers. So it's not exactly a road to nowhere, but more of a road to not much.

If looking at a bigger picture map, it is obvious that this could fill in as a Chicago-Peoria route if IDOT were to ever get the funding. If that happened, it would well serve a purpose. I don't see a point in "downgrading", but I also would say it is lower on the list of IDOT's Interstate maintenance priorities.

Problem is the IL29 up to I-180 then over to Chicago isn't really a shortcut and people can already head over to Bloomington and take I-55 up which is about the same length. Any actual direct route to Chicago would go where no highways currrently exist, from Peoria through Steator up to Morris. No way is that ever going to get built. Perhaps adding an extra two lanes on US 24 to Chenoa like the stretch of 51 between Bloomington and Decatur is more feasible. I hear a lot of Peoria traffic already takes that route and it has a lot of accidents. With fantasy level funding, upgrading US24 to four lanes from Peoria to Logansport Indiana, with bypasses of towns such as Watseka, could provide trucks an alternate route around some of the worst traffic in the Midwest on the Kingery/Borman south end of Chicagoland and lake Michigan.

That said, I did take a ride on I-180 this weekend and have to say I was surprised that it was one of the most scenic Interstates in the entire State of Illinois, it becomes rolling forested hills just a few miles south of I-80.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on June 23, 2016, 09:37:17 PM
Anyone know when Google will update the satellite imagery for the Chicago area?  A number of things are already outdated.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: The Ghostbuster on June 24, 2016, 04:41:25 PM
With Google Maps, everything is outdated, or why would there be a thread named "Google Maps Sucks"?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on June 26, 2016, 05:08:34 PM

Problem is the IL29 up to I-180 then over to Chicago isn't really a shortcut and people can already head over to Bloomington and take I-55 up which is about the same length. Any actual direct route to Chicago would go where no highways currrently exist, from Peoria through Steator up to Morris. No way is that ever going to get built. Perhaps adding an extra two lanes on US 24 to Chenoa like the stretch of 51 between Bloomington and Decatur is more feasible. I hear a lot of Peoria traffic already takes that route and it has a lot of accidents. With fantasy level funding, upgrading US24 to four lanes from Peoria to Logansport Indiana, with bypasses of towns such as Watseka, could provide trucks an alternate route around some of the worst traffic in the Midwest on the Kingery/Borman south end of Chicagoland and lake Michigan.


There have been some moves to create a Chenoa-to-Peoria highway route.  It's 4-laned from Peoria east into Woodford County, but the urban section through Eureka would probably need a bypass. The I-55 and US 24 interchange at Chenoa was built in the 70's with an eye toward 4-laning US 24 at some point. And it was one of the alternatives in the Chicago to Peoria study that ultimately selected IL 29 as the preferred route.

My daughter lives right off of US 24 in Chatsworth; it is not a busy road, and people routinely drive 65 mph on it. It might eventually be looked at as a Chicago bypass route, but as of right now, it's not even on the radar. Fairbury, Gilman and Watseka are the only places where traffic slows down appreciably to go thru town.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on June 26, 2016, 08:03:33 PM

Problem is the IL29 up to I-180 then over to Chicago isn't really a shortcut and people can already head over to Bloomington and take I-55 up which is about the same length. Any actual direct route to Chicago would go where no highways currrently exist, from Peoria through Steator up to Morris. No way is that ever going to get built. Perhaps adding an extra two lanes on US 24 to Chenoa like the stretch of 51 between Bloomington and Decatur is more feasible. I hear a lot of Peoria traffic already takes that route and it has a lot of accidents. With fantasy level funding, upgrading US24 to four lanes from Peoria to Logansport Indiana, with bypasses of towns such as Watseka, could provide trucks an alternate route around some of the worst traffic in the Midwest on the Kingery/Borman south end of Chicagoland and lake Michigan.


There have been some moves to create a Chenoa-to-Peoria highway route.  It's 4-laned from Peoria east into Woodford County, but the urban section through Eureka would probably need a bypass. The I-55 and US 24 interchange at Chenoa was built in the 70's with an eye toward 4-laning US 24 at some point. And it was one of the alternatives in the Chicago to Peoria study that ultimately selected IL 29 as the preferred route.

My daughter lives right off of US 24 in Chatsworth; it is not a busy road, and people routinely drive 65 mph on it. It might eventually be looked at as a Chicago bypass route, but as of right now, it's not even on the radar. Fairbury, Gilman and Watseka are the only places where traffic slows down appreciably to go thru town.

Obviously, any upgrade to either route would be years or decades off with much bigger infrastructure needs coming first. In short, anything to divert some of the traffic from the mishmash of interchanges at Bloomington/Normal would be welcome (although the recently completed 6 laning of I-55 through has made a huge difference and probably moves this even lower on the list of priorities). US 24, from looking at it on a map, does make the most sense actually. Getting IDOT to even study it, let alone do engineering plans, is a whole other ballgame.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on June 27, 2016, 03:25:20 PM
With Google Maps, everything is outdated, or why would there be a thread named "Google Maps Sucks"?

Not Google Maps, Google Earth.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on June 27, 2016, 08:31:44 PM
With Google Maps, everything is outdated, or why would there be a thread named "Google Maps Sucks"?

Not Google Maps, Google Earth.
Satellite imagery is the same for both though. Most of the Chicagoland is from early 2015, which may not seem old, but it sure is. Look at Thorndale, or the LSD/55 interchange, or the Circle interchange.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on July 02, 2016, 11:53:40 PM
Well, for construction workers in IL, it's a relief to see that a deal was reached to keep the funds going for construction for the remainder of the year and avert a shutdown. In addition to how much of a pain it would have been to drivers to have delays in getting projects finished, it would have just been sad to see construction workers in the state without work. Just wondering, even though construction did not ultimately come to a halt, have there been any resulting delays that were noted from contractors focusing on "securing" their construction sites just incase?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on July 03, 2016, 01:37:36 PM
Well, for construction workers in IL, it's a relief to see that a deal was reached to keep the funds going for construction for the remainder of the year and avert a shutdown. In addition to how much of a pain it would have been to drivers to have delays in getting projects finished, it would have just been sad to see construction workers in the state without work. Just wondering, even though construction did not ultimately come to a halt, have there been any resulting delays that were noted from contractors focusing on "securing" their construction sites just incase?

I didn't notice a whole lot of shutdown activities ahead of the 31st. The contractors were getting ready for the July 4 weekend anyway, where no short term lane shutdowns were going to be done. There was a directive to shut down "destructive" work a few days ahead of the deadline. I doubt if anyone lost more than a day or 2; some contractors may have been working extra hard to get billable work done ahead of the potential shutdown, too.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: captkirk_4 on July 03, 2016, 05:28:34 PM
Well, for construction workers in IL, it's a relief to see that a deal was reached to keep the funds going for construction for the remainder of the year and avert a shutdown. In addition to how much of a pain it would have been to drivers to have delays in getting projects finished, it would have just been sad to see construction workers in the state without work. Just wondering, even though construction did not ultimately come to a halt, have there been any resulting delays that were noted from contractors focusing on "securing" their construction sites just incase?

I didn't notice a whole lot of shutdown activities ahead of the 31st. The contractors were getting ready for the July 4 weekend anyway, where no short term lane shutdowns were going to be done. There was a directive to shut down "destructive" work a few days ahead of the deadline. I doubt if anyone lost more than a day or 2; some contractors may have been working extra hard to get billable work done ahead of the potential shutdown, too.

Well, they shut down the Farmer City rest area on I-74 last month and I always stopped and got a can of soda from it's vending machines when going between Champaign and Bloomington. Don't know if it is for remodeling or the budget battle.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: adt1982 on July 03, 2016, 05:46:34 PM
Many rest areas in Illinois are/were shut down due to the budget issues.

Farmer City, near Hamel, and Metropolis all come to mind.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on July 04, 2016, 02:57:34 PM
Many rest areas in Illinois are/were shut down due to the budget issues.

Farmer City, near Hamel, and Metropolis all come to mind.

Really?  I thought the Farmer City rest area was one of the fancier ones!
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SSOWorld on July 04, 2016, 06:58:26 PM
Who needs rest areas now that there are truck stops to stop at? :-D
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: cl94 on July 04, 2016, 07:28:45 PM
Who needs rest areas now that there are truck stops to stop at? :-D

But you need to buy something in order to justify using the truck stop restroom
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: MisterSG1 on July 04, 2016, 07:55:02 PM
Who needs rest areas now that there are truck stops to stop at? :-D

But you need to buy something in order to justify using the truck stop restroom

Who says you have to buy anything, I've used the Dixie/Shawson Husky a lot for instance to use the bathroom back when I used to planespot regularly with one of my friends and I never bought anything.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Stratuscaster on July 04, 2016, 11:53:26 PM
It's a courtesy to buy something if you use the restroom - but it's not a law.

Perhaps IDOT should look at deals to lease the rest areas and allow travel plazas to be built in them.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: MisterSG1 on July 05, 2016, 12:32:23 AM
It's a courtesy to buy something if you use the restroom - but it's not a law.

Perhaps IDOT should look at deals to lease the rest areas and allow travel plazas to be built in them.

I believe that violates a federal law, there's a reason you only see service centers on toll roads in the US, because they aren't allowed on non tolled interstates. The belief is that by building service centers, it would take away business located at actual exits.

With the prominence of national chains in which many have a huge multinational presence, obviously the purpose of the original law is kind of pointless and I see absolutely no reason why rest areas couldn't be converted into service centers. How often do you take an exit to go to a mom and pop shop, better yet, how often is a mom and pop shop advertised on the interstate using either BBS or billboards.


As for using the bathroom, with a general big space like a truck stop, obviously larger than your everyday gas station, I don't see an issue whatsoever. I'm sure you don't feel guilt about using the bathroom at Walmart now do you? I do feel a sense of having to buy something if I use the bathroom at a place that has a rather small floor space, like at a Subway for instance. I'm not sure why I feel this way, but I just do.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: cl94 on July 05, 2016, 01:56:56 AM
I rarely stop in a business to use the restroom without buying something. Granted, I try and time restroom breaks with when I need a snack or drink to make that easier. I know I could slip in and out easily, but I'd feel bad. Real challenge is knowing what has a public restroom, especially in rural areas. At least in New York, they can be quite hard to come by in small towns, as few gas stations have them (especially clean ones).

As far as services on the Interstate system, yes, there is a law against it. Toll roads and facilities that existed before the 60s or something becoming part of the system are exempt. This is why the Major Deegan in the Bronx and 128 in Boston have service plazas, even though they were always free. Granted, New York is putting a rest area with a store on Free 90, so who knows what is actually allowed.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on July 05, 2016, 05:53:31 AM
Who needs rest areas now that there are truck stops to stop at? :-D

But you need to buy something in order to justify using the truck stop restroom

No, you don't.  They're also required to have public restrooms as per the Illinois Plumbing Code (state law).
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on July 05, 2016, 08:58:49 AM
Many rest areas in Illinois are/were shut down due to the budget issues.

Farmer City, near Hamel, and Metropolis all come to mind.

I know the Minooka rest areas on 80 are/were closed.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: dvferyance on July 05, 2016, 05:06:14 PM
It's a courtesy to buy something if you use the restroom - but it's not a law.

Perhaps IDOT should look at deals to lease the rest areas and allow travel plazas to be built in them.
Many places have signs bathrooms for customers only. It's very clear the only place I will do it is at Wal Mart and only because I work for the company.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on July 05, 2016, 06:38:41 PM
It's a courtesy to buy something if you use the restroom - but it's not a law.

Perhaps IDOT should look at deals to lease the rest areas and allow travel plazas to be built in them.
Many places have signs bathrooms for customers only. It's very clear the only place I will do it is at Wal Mart and only because I work for the company.

What are they honestly going to do about it if you go ahead and use the bathroom anyways?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on July 05, 2016, 06:45:03 PM
It's a courtesy to buy something if you use the restroom - but it's not a law.

Perhaps IDOT should look at deals to lease the rest areas and allow travel plazas to be built in them.
Many places have signs bathrooms for customers only. It's very clear the only place I will do it is at Wal Mart and only because I work for the company.

If it's a gas station in Illinois, then they're in violation of state law if they put up such a sign.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: dvferyance on July 05, 2016, 09:00:18 PM
It's a courtesy to buy something if you use the restroom - but it's not a law.

Perhaps IDOT should look at deals to lease the rest areas and allow travel plazas to be built in them.
Many places have signs bathrooms for customers only. It's very clear the only place I will do it is at Wal Mart and only because I work for the company.

If it's a gas station in Illinois, then they're in violation of state law if they put up such a sign.
Not that many gas stations have bathrooms. It's places like Mc Donald's that have such signs
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on July 05, 2016, 09:06:35 PM
It's a courtesy to buy something if you use the restroom - but it's not a law.

Perhaps IDOT should look at deals to lease the rest areas and allow travel plazas to be built in them.
Many places have signs bathrooms for customers only. It's very clear the only place I will do it is at Wal Mart and only because I work for the company.

If it's a gas station in Illinois, then they're in violation of state law if they put up such a sign.
Not that many gas stations have bathrooms. It's places like Mc Donald's that have such signs

Gas stations are required to have restrooms by law in Illinois as per the Illinois Plumbing Code.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Stratuscaster on July 05, 2016, 10:35:06 PM
Having them and making it convenient to actually USE them are two different things. ;)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: cl94 on July 05, 2016, 10:55:57 PM
It's a courtesy to buy something if you use the restroom - but it's not a law.

Perhaps IDOT should look at deals to lease the rest areas and allow travel plazas to be built in them.
Many places have signs bathrooms for customers only. It's very clear the only place I will do it is at Wal Mart and only because I work for the company.

If it's a gas station in Illinois, then they're in violation of state law if they put up such a sign.
Not that many gas stations have bathrooms. It's places like Mc Donald's that have such signs

Gas stations are required to have restrooms by law in Illinois as per the Illinois Plumbing Code.

This was brought up in another thread. Illinois requires staffed gas stations to have a public restroom. Whether or not you'd actually want to use it is a different story.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: adt1982 on July 06, 2016, 08:54:19 AM
It's a courtesy to buy something if you use the restroom - but it's not a law.

Perhaps IDOT should look at deals to lease the rest areas and allow travel plazas to be built in them.
Many places have signs bathrooms for customers only. It's very clear the only place I will do it is at Wal Mart and only because I work for the company.

If it's a gas station in Illinois, then they're in violation of state law if they put up such a sign.
Not that many gas stations have bathrooms. It's places like Mc Donald's that have such signs

I've been in countless McDonald's all over the midwest and have never seen such a sign.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on July 06, 2016, 08:58:23 AM

I've been in countless McDonald's all over the midwest and have never seen such a sign.

I actually have been in McDonald's that had the bathrooms locked. Specifically one near the United Center in Chicago. This was years and years ago, so maybe it changed, but it wasn't the most savory business.  The only reason we stopped is becausemy wife had to go.  BAD. (BTW, it was only the men's room that was locked.  And it was locked with a padlock, if I recall correctly.)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: dvferyance on July 06, 2016, 10:33:23 AM
It's a courtesy to buy something if you use the restroom - but it's not a law.

Perhaps IDOT should look at deals to lease the rest areas and allow travel plazas to be built in them.
Many places have signs bathrooms for customers only. It's very clear the only place I will do it is at Wal Mart and only because I work for the company.

If it's a gas station in Illinois, then they're in violation of state law if they put up such a sign.
Not that many gas stations have bathrooms. It's places like Mc Donald's that have such signs

I've been in countless McDonald's all over the midwest and have never seen such a sign.
I saw it at the McDonald's in Merrilville IN just off I-65. This was a few years ago I usually avoid going to McDonald's as much as possible.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on July 06, 2016, 01:35:05 PM

I've been in countless McDonald's all over the midwest and have never seen such a sign.

I actually have been in McDonald's that had the bathrooms locked. Specifically one near the United Center in Chicago. This was years and years ago, so maybe it changed, but it wasn't the most savory business.  The only reason we stopped is becausemy wife had to go.  BAD. (BTW, it was only the men's room that was locked.  And it was locked with a padlock, if I recall correctly.)

In urban areas, the doors are locked to keep homeless people from using them.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on July 12, 2016, 12:49:02 AM
Going back to the rest area closures, this page on the IDOT website has a map showing all the rest areas and closures.

http://idot.illinois.gov/travel-information/roadway-information/Rest-Areas-and-Welcome-Centers/index
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on July 12, 2016, 05:08:30 AM
It's a courtesy to buy something if you use the restroom - but it's not a law.

Perhaps IDOT should look at deals to lease the rest areas and allow travel plazas to be built in them.
Many places have signs bathrooms for customers only. It's very clear the only place I will do it is at Wal Mart and only because I work for the company.

If it's a gas station in Illinois, then they're in violation of state law if they put up such a sign.
Not that many gas stations have bathrooms. It's places like Mc Donald's that have such signs

Gas stations are required to have restrooms by law in Illinois as per the Illinois Plumbing Code.

This was brought up in another thread. Illinois requires staffed gas stations to have a public restroom. Whether or not you'd actually want to use it is a different story.

Never understood the point of rest areas on a non-tolled road. There are plenty of gas stations, restaurants, etc.


On the other hand,

Is there a map outline of this?

http://www.theherald-news.com/2016/07/11/gov-bruce-rauner-public-private-partnership-will-lead-to-bridge-at-houbolt-road-in-joliet/ark0nm3/
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on July 12, 2016, 05:36:28 PM
It's a courtesy to buy something if you use the restroom - but it's not a law.

Perhaps IDOT should look at deals to lease the rest areas and allow travel plazas to be built in them.
Many places have signs bathrooms for customers only. It's very clear the only place I will do it is at Wal Mart and only because I work for the company.

If it's a gas station in Illinois, then they're in violation of state law if they put up such a sign.
Not that many gas stations have bathrooms. It's places like Mc Donald's that have such signs

Gas stations are required to have restrooms by law in Illinois as per the Illinois Plumbing Code.

This was brought up in another thread. Illinois requires staffed gas stations to have a public restroom. Whether or not you'd actually want to use it is a different story.

Never understood the point of rest areas on a non-tolled road. There are plenty of gas stations, restaurants, etc.


On the other hand,

Is there a map outline of this?

http://www.theherald-news.com/2016/07/11/gov-bruce-rauner-public-private-partnership-will-lead-to-bridge-at-houbolt-road-in-joliet/ark0nm3/

Often Rest Areas are used by cross road truckers as sleeping points along the interstate. Not a lot of the gas stations and restaurants can accomidate their vehicles.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on July 12, 2016, 05:50:32 PM

Perhaps a corridor like this. This would make sense to me.
http://www.scribblemaps.com/api/maps/images/450/450/a9QxdAF2ly.png

I would tie it in to Vetter Rd on the southside of the river.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on July 12, 2016, 08:30:49 PM

Perhaps a corridor like this. This would make sense to me.
http://www.scribblemaps.com/api/maps/images/450/450/a9QxdAF2ly.png

I would tie it in to Vetter Rd on the southside of the river.

I always assumed it would connect to the intersection of Laraway and Centerpoint, as a western extension of Laraway Road.\
I thought the corridor would look more like this.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8874/27992747560_aec8d2c53e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JDC9AC)
hblara (https://flic.kr/p/JDC9AC) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on July 12, 2016, 08:36:31 PM

Perhaps a corridor like this. This would make sense to me.
http://www.scribblemaps.com/api/maps/images/450/450/a9QxdAF2ly.png

I would tie it in to Vetter Rd on the southside of the river.

I always assumed it would connect to the intersection of Laraway and Centerpoint, as a western extension of Laraway Road.\
I thought the corridor would look more like this.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8874/27992747560_aec8d2c53e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JDC9AC)
hblara (https://flic.kr/p/JDC9AC) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr

The only issue I see with connecting it that way to Laraway Rd is the woods to the west of the casino. I don't recall but is that a county preserve?

But I do like that as an alternate to get to Route 66 Raceway/Chicagoland Speedway for traffic from the west instead of using Route 53 or Arsenal Rd.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on July 12, 2016, 08:55:50 PM
Re: above ^

If Google is correct (which they aren't sometimes), the bounds of that county preserve are within that green area to the southwest.
I'm hoping that the tolls are collected electronically.  The amount of truck traffic stopping and taking off at a toll booth would rut and ravel the road beyond belief.  You should see the intersection of IL53 and Laraway right now.  Good god, all that rutting and raveling on the southbound approach.
Your Vetter Road idea is really interesting too.  I like that.  In fact, it would be awesome if they used my alignment over to Laraway with an offshoot road going southbound to connect to Vetter (or Elwood International Port Road...thank Elwood for insisting on an absurdly long name).  Let it be known that I'm definitely biased toward an alignment serving Laraway Road, because I work along Laraway Road a lot XD
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on July 12, 2016, 09:02:07 PM
I always assumed it would connect to the intersection of Laraway and Centerpoint, as a western extension of Laraway Road.\
I thought the corridor would look more like this.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8874/27992747560_aec8d2c53e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JDC9AC)
hblara (https://flic.kr/p/JDC9AC) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr

The Laraway extension to I-80 appears to have already been under consideration, see Page 38 of 48 of this document. (http://www.jada.org/pdf/transportation_updateJun82010.pdf)  Now if someone would provide a map showing what the proposed toll bridge that has been in the news lately is actually going to connect with. (Link to one article). (http://www3.illinois.gov/PressReleases/ShowPressRelease.cfm?SubjectID=3&RecNum=13677)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: captkirk_4 on July 22, 2016, 09:43:58 AM
Anyone notice the vast number of small lakes and ponds that seem to have been created during construction of the Interstate Highways? In central Illinois I-57 and I-74 is full of them, seem to have been the source of material for raising the highway and creating the overpasses. The long elevated part of I-74 by Farmer City has a whole bunch of them carved out for the fill. I notice some farmers put small houses and trees along them. Others are left as undeveloped puddles. Wonder if the fishing is good, or if they are very shallow, and get too hot and noxious algae filled during the summer? There is a whole housing development around a larger one in Mansfield.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on July 22, 2016, 10:03:02 AM
Anyone notice the vast number of small lakes and ponds that seem to have been created during construction of the Interstate Highways? In central Illinois I-57 and I-74 is full of them, seem to have been the source of material for raising the highway and creating the overpasses. The long elevated part of I-74 by Farmer City has a whole bunch of them carved out for the fill. I notice some farmers put small houses and trees along them. Others are left as undeveloped puddles. Wonder if the fishing is good, or if they are very shallow, and get too hot and noxious algae filled during the summer? There is a whole housing development around a larger one in Mansfield.

If I'm not mistaken, all these lakes along I-80 in Nebraska have public access. 
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: silverback1065 on July 22, 2016, 10:06:09 AM
Anyone notice the vast number of small lakes and ponds that seem to have been created during construction of the Interstate Highways? In central Illinois I-57 and I-74 is full of them, seem to have been the source of material for raising the highway and creating the overpasses. The long elevated part of I-74 by Farmer City has a whole bunch of them carved out for the fill. I notice some farmers put small houses and trees along them. Others are left as undeveloped puddles. Wonder if the fishing is good, or if they are very shallow, and get too hot and noxious algae filled during the summer? There is a whole housing development around a larger one in Mansfield.

florida has a lot of these too.  I know in a lot of situations farmers are happy to part with the dirt. 
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: mgk920 on July 22, 2016, 01:10:26 PM
Those are called 'burrow pits' and are indeed used as a source of fill for the construction work.  There are several along US 10 west of I-41 here in the Appleton, WI area, too.

Mike
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on July 24, 2016, 10:28:23 AM
Anyone notice the vast number of small lakes and ponds that seem to have been created during construction of the Interstate Highways? In central Illinois I-57 and I-74 is full of them, seem to have been the source of material for raising the highway and creating the overpasses. The long elevated part of I-74 by Farmer City has a whole bunch of them carved out for the fill. I notice some farmers put small houses and trees along them. Others are left as undeveloped puddles. Wonder if the fishing is good, or if they are very shallow, and get too hot and noxious algae filled during the summer? There is a whole housing development around a larger one in Mansfield.

I've seen boats moored on some of these, they're like private lakes
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on August 10, 2016, 09:50:31 PM
Why did IDOT remove the EB I-190 to NB Mannheim Rd ramp?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on August 10, 2016, 10:06:38 PM
Why did IDOT remove the EB I-190 to NB Mannheim Rd ramp?

Construction? Plus with the new interchange allowing access to Balmoral, it's probably best to eliminate that exit if you can access it earlier with better flow
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on August 10, 2016, 10:11:52 PM
Why did IDOT remove the EB I-190 to NB Mannheim Rd ramp?

Construction? Plus with the new interchange allowing access to Balmoral, it's probably best to eliminate that exit if you can access it earlier with better flow

I think only SB Mannheim can be accessed from Balmoral.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on August 10, 2016, 10:32:23 PM
Why did IDOT remove the EB I-190 to NB Mannheim Rd ramp?

Construction? Plus with the new interchange allowing access to Balmoral, it's probably best to eliminate that exit if you can access it earlier with better flow

I think only SB Mannheim can be accessed from Balmoral.

Actually NB Mannheim can be accessed from Balmoral with the new construction.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on August 11, 2016, 02:10:08 AM
Anyone notice the vast number of small lakes and ponds that seem to have been created during construction of the Interstate Highways? In central Illinois I-57 and I-74 is full of them, seem to have been the source of material for raising the highway and creating the overpasses. The long elevated part of I-74 by Farmer City has a whole bunch of them carved out for the fill. I notice some farmers put small houses and trees along them. Others are left as undeveloped puddles. Wonder if the fishing is good, or if they are very shallow, and get too hot and noxious algae filled during the summer? There is a whole housing development around a larger one in Mansfield.

As a teenager, I helped measure the volume of all the borrow pits for contractor payment along I-55 in the Lexington/Towanda area of IL. The location of these pits was not mandated by the state; instead, the contractors that built the road were free to negotiate the price with whomever would do business with them. Obviously they sought sources as close to the new road as possible, to minimize haulage and drayage to and from the job site.  Some of the farmers and other land owners were able to negotiate additional terms into the price for allowing the contractor to dig, including filling the empty hole with water and additional $ that they used to put in picnic areas, fishing docks, and the like.   

There were a few sources used in interstate construction that were well removed from the new road. For instance, when I-39 was constructed, IDOT helped remove some of the old slag piles from decades-old coal mining operations from towns like Cedar Point, which was about 2 miles west of the highway, and made them available for fill; the higher cost of excavation and hauling was offset by the free availability of the material.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on August 11, 2016, 11:12:07 PM
Why did IDOT remove the EB I-190 to NB Mannheim Rd ramp?

Construction? Plus with the new interchange allowing access to Balmoral, it's probably best to eliminate that exit if you can access it earlier with better flow

I think only SB Mannheim can be accessed from Balmoral.

Actually NB Mannheim can be accessed from Balmoral with the new construction.

I wonder if one of the reasons for doing the huge Balmoral interchange with Mannheim was to eliminate some of the more dangerous ramps on I-190 while providing access from the airport to the entertainment district/hotels in Rosemont. I personally hate using WB 190 to NB US-12/45 ramp because of it's sudden turn and routing.

Edit: Post 1000!!!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on August 11, 2016, 11:39:15 PM
Why did IDOT remove the EB I-190 to NB Mannheim Rd ramp?

Construction? Plus with the new interchange allowing access to Balmoral, it's probably best to eliminate that exit if you can access it earlier with better flow

I think only SB Mannheim can be accessed from Balmoral.

Actually NB Mannheim can be accessed from Balmoral with the new construction.

I wonder if one of the reasons for doing the huge Balmoral interchange with Mannheim was to eliminate some of the more dangerous ramps on I-190 while providing access from the airport to the entertainment district/hotels in Rosemont. I personally hate using WB 190 to NB US-12/45 ramp because of it's sudden turn and routing.

Edit: Post 1000!!!  :) :) :)

The biggest problem on I-190 is the close proximity of the ramps to one another, from Bessie Coleman Dr east to I-294.  There's an onramp, and in two more second, there's the offramp you needed!  wahp wahp.   I'd be heavily in favor of removing some of the ramps joining I-190 and Mannheim.  Or at least reconfiguring some of that mess, especially the ramps in the northeast quadrant that are scrunched because of the railroad.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Stephane Dumas on August 16, 2016, 11:27:15 AM
I saw this one via http://tollroadsnews.com/news-briefs/daily-news-brief-august-12-2016/#brief-article2 about the idea of express toll lanes for I-55 in Cook and DuPage counties.

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Daily Herald reports, “The Illinois Department of Transportation Thursday [August 11] asked construction firms to submit ideas on how to build two tolled express lanes on I-55 in DuPage and Cook counties.” The report adds, “The public-private partnership is a result of the state’s budget woes and absence of a capital plan, as well as the necessity of fixing chronic traffic jams on I-55.” http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160811/news/160819717/

Chicago Tribune adds, “Private firms need to submit their ideas by Sept. 8, with a public forum scheduled for Sept. 20 at the Holiday Inn O’Hare. IDOT needs approval from the General Assembly for the I-55 toll project.” http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-stevenson-i55-toll-lanes-0812-biz-20160811-story.html
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on August 16, 2016, 11:40:54 AM
I saw this one via http://tollroadsnews.com/news-briefs/daily-news-brief-august-12-2016/#brief-article2 about the idea of express toll lanes for I-55 in Cook and DuPage counties.

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Daily Herald reports, “The Illinois Department of Transportation Thursday [August 11] asked construction firms to submit ideas on how to build two tolled express lanes on I-55 in DuPage and Cook counties.” The report adds, “The public-private partnership is a result of the state’s budget woes and absence of a capital plan, as well as the necessity of fixing chronic traffic jams on I-55.” http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160811/news/160819717/

Chicago Tribune adds, “Private firms need to submit their ideas by Sept. 8, with a public forum scheduled for Sept. 20 at the Holiday Inn O’Hare. IDOT needs approval from the General Assembly for the I-55 toll project.” http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-stevenson-i55-toll-lanes-0812-biz-20160811-story.html

I'd rather see it simply sold to ISHTA rather than have a private consortium do it.  Having seen what a private consortium does to the Indiana Toll Road, I don't trust them.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on August 20, 2016, 11:55:09 AM
Why did IDOT remove the EB I-190 to NB Mannheim Rd ramp?

Construction? Plus with the new interchange allowing access to Balmoral, it's probably best to eliminate that exit if you can access it earlier with better flow

I think only SB Mannheim can be accessed from Balmoral.

Actually NB Mannheim can be accessed from Balmoral with the new construction.

I wonder if one of the reasons for doing the huge Balmoral interchange with Mannheim was to eliminate some of the more dangerous ramps on I-190 while providing access from the airport to the entertainment district/hotels in Rosemont. I personally hate using WB 190 to NB US-12/45 ramp because of it's sudden turn and routing.

Edit: Post 1000!!!  :) :) :)

The biggest problem on I-190 is the close proximity of the ramps to one another, from Bessie Coleman Dr east to I-294.  There's an onramp, and in two more second, there's the offramp you needed!  wahp wahp.   I'd be heavily in favor of removing some of the ramps joining I-190 and Mannheim.  Or at least reconfiguring some of that mess, especially the ramps in the northeast quadrant that are scrunched because of the railroad.

The next thing that needs to be addressed on I-190 EB is the NB Mannheim to EB 190 ramp and the EB 190 to SB 294 ramp. The big issue there is no room for a true merge between those ramps. And people on the NB Mannheim to EB 190 ramp NEVER yield despite there being a Yield sign.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9813487,-87.8766412,3a,75y,30.94h,89.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgd1T426aA4du_Aedrjm4kg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on August 20, 2016, 01:28:07 PM
^I agree that this section of the EB lanes is the most egregious.  There's a pitiful amount of space for traffic to weave.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on August 20, 2016, 11:05:53 PM
Why did IDOT remove the EB I-190 to NB Mannheim Rd ramp?

Construction? Plus with the new interchange allowing access to Balmoral, it's probably best to eliminate that exit if you can access it earlier with better flow

I think only SB Mannheim can be accessed from Balmoral.

Actually NB Mannheim can be accessed from Balmoral with the new construction.

I wonder if one of the reasons for doing the huge Balmoral interchange with Mannheim was to eliminate some of the more dangerous ramps on I-190 while providing access from the airport to the entertainment district/hotels in Rosemont. I personally hate using WB 190 to NB US-12/45 ramp because of it's sudden turn and routing.

Edit: Post 1000!!!  :) :) :)

The biggest problem on I-190 is the close proximity of the ramps to one another, from Bessie Coleman Dr east to I-294.  There's an onramp, and in two more second, there's the offramp you needed!  wahp wahp.   I'd be heavily in favor of removing some of the ramps joining I-190 and Mannheim.  Or at least reconfiguring some of that mess, especially the ramps in the northeast quadrant that are scrunched because of the railroad.

The next thing that needs to be addressed on I-190 EB is the NB Mannheim to EB 190 ramp and the EB 190 to SB 294 ramp. The big issue there is no room for a true merge between those ramps. And people on the NB Mannheim to EB 190 ramp NEVER yield despite there being a Yield sign.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9813487,-87.8766412,3a,75y,30.94h,89.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgd1T426aA4du_Aedrjm4kg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

What about the rewidening? of I-190? The Cumberland Flyover / I-90 winding plans show an 3 lane I-190.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on August 25, 2016, 11:48:24 AM
Actually, 190 itself as a 2 lanes each way with an aux exit lane works fine. Traffic does not back up on that often. The big issue is the lack of space between exit and entrance ramps. I think if you had 2 "express lanes" and 2 aux c-d lanes EB from Bessie Coleman to Cumberland, that would help a ton.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on August 25, 2016, 07:43:12 PM
Actually, 190 itself as a 2 lanes each way with an aux exit lane works fine. Traffic does not back up on that often. The big issue is the lack of space between exit and entrance ramps. I think if you had 2 "express lanes" and 2 aux c-d lanes EB from Bessie Coleman to Cumberland, that would help a ton.

It needs some flyovers.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on August 27, 2016, 01:08:50 PM
Why did IDOT remove the EB I-190 to NB Mannheim Rd ramp?

Construction? Plus with the new interchange allowing access to Balmoral, it's probably best to eliminate that exit if you can access it earlier with better flow

I think only SB Mannheim can be accessed from Balmoral.

Actually NB Mannheim can be accessed from Balmoral with the new construction.

I wonder if one of the reasons for doing the huge Balmoral interchange with Mannheim was to eliminate some of the more dangerous ramps on I-190 while providing access from the airport to the entertainment district/hotels in Rosemont. I personally hate using WB 190 to NB US-12/45 ramp because of it's sudden turn and routing.

Edit: Post 1000!!!  :) :) :)

The biggest problem on I-190 is the close proximity of the ramps to one another, from Bessie Coleman Dr east to I-294.  There's an onramp, and in two more second, there's the offramp you needed!  wahp wahp.   I'd be heavily in favor of removing some of the ramps joining I-190 and Mannheim.  Or at least reconfiguring some of that mess, especially the ramps in the northeast quadrant that are scrunched because of the railroad.

The next thing that needs to be addressed on I-190 EB is the NB Mannheim to EB 190 ramp and the EB 190 to SB 294 ramp. The big issue there is no room for a true merge between those ramps. And people on the NB Mannheim to EB 190 ramp NEVER yield despite there being a Yield sign.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9813487,-87.8766412,3a,75y,30.94h,89.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgd1T426aA4du_Aedrjm4kg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

What about the rewidening? of I-190? The Cumberland Flyover / I-90 winding plans show an 3 lane I-190.


Maybe east of Mannheim or River Road. As a road itself, the capacity for the mainline is adequate, the ramps/aux lanes are the main problems.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on August 27, 2016, 07:42:51 PM
I found this article regarding an update on the IKE Rebuild. It looks like Oak Park and IDOT have finally come to some sort of agreement. If even there is a hold off on widening the expressway itself, re-configuring the left hand exits in Oak Park should go a long way in helping improve traffic flow.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/oak-park/news/ct-oak-idot-eisenhower-tl-0811-20160804-story.html

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A letter outlining cost responsibilities, maintenance and future considerations related to the proposed rebuilding and widening of Interstate 290 has been approved by the village of Oak Park and the Illinois Department of Transportation.

During the Aug. 1 village board meeting, trustees unanimously approved the agreement with IDOT by a 6-0 vote. Trustee Andrea Ott was absent.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on August 28, 2016, 05:00:13 PM
I found this article regarding an update on the IKE Rebuild. It looks like Oak Park and IDOT have finally come to some sort of agreement. If even there is a hold off on widening the expressway itself, re-configuring the left hand exits in Oak Park should go a long way in helping improve traffic flow.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/oak-park/news/ct-oak-idot-eisenhower-tl-0811-20160804-story.html

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A letter outlining cost responsibilities, maintenance and future considerations related to the proposed rebuilding and widening of Interstate 290 has been approved by the village of Oak Park and the Illinois Department of Transportation.

During the Aug. 1 village board meeting, trustees unanimously approved the agreement with IDOT by a 6-0 vote. Trustee Andrea Ott was absent.
That looks good.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on August 29, 2016, 09:09:27 AM
I  had reason to go to West Dundee yesterday from my home in Morris, and so I took rt. 47 up to rt 72 and in.

On the way up, I noticed the damndest thing..  A brand new roundabaout was installed on 47 at Burlington rd.  What made this odd was that I don't recall seeing this in March, the last time I was through the area, and why here? It's in the middle of f-ing nowhere! Anybody have the scoop on this?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: quickshade on August 29, 2016, 11:07:57 AM
I  had reason to go to West Dundee yesterday from my home in Morris, and so I took rt. 47 up to rt 72 and in.

On the way up, I noticed the damndest thing..  A brand new roundabaout was installed on 47 at Burlington rd.  What made this odd was that I don't recall seeing this in March, the last time I was through the area, and why here? It's in the middle of f-ing nowhere! Anybody have the scoop on this?

Construction started in April and they must have finished already (although I don't see any updated information on the Kane County website about it being finished. here are two links:

http://www.co.kane.il.us/dot/constProjects/burlingtonAt47.aspx (http://www.co.kane.il.us/dot/constProjects/burlingtonAt47.aspx)

^^ That describes the project and improvements and why they are doing them.

http://kanecountyconnects.com/2016/04/roundabout-construction-begins-april-4-at-burlington-road-and-route-47/ (http://kanecountyconnects.com/2016/04/roundabout-construction-begins-april-4-at-burlington-road-and-route-47/)

^^ Has the start date of April which explains why you didn't see it last time you were driving the area.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on August 29, 2016, 03:52:42 PM
Still seems kind of random to me, but then again, I'm not a highway designer.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: KG909 on August 29, 2016, 10:00:23 PM
Has anyone ever been to O Block

HTC Desire 510

Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: silverback1065 on August 29, 2016, 10:17:01 PM
Still seems kind of random to me, but then again, I'm not a highway designer.

It's probably a safety fix.  Likely a high rate of right angle crashes, so a signal wouldn't fix that, but a roundabout would.  they are doing the same in indiana at similar intersection.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on August 30, 2016, 12:18:54 AM
They recently put in a round-a-bout on Dugan Road just south of US-30, which includes a crossroad and railroad tracks. It helped out immensely with rush hour and general flow and after US-30 finished it's improvements.

Maybe it's Kane Counties new road design fetish  :bigass:
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on August 30, 2016, 09:30:35 AM

http://kanecountyconnects.com/2016/04/roundabout-construction-begins-april-4-at-burlington-road-and-route-47/ (http://kanecountyconnects.com/2016/04/roundabout-construction-begins-april-4-at-burlington-road-and-route-47/)

^^ Has the start date of April which explains why you didn't see it last time you were driving the area.

Thinking about it, that also explains the lack of traffic, as Burlington Road is still closed off at the roundabout.

Now I have that Yes song stuck in my head.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: quickshade on August 30, 2016, 11:13:02 AM
I'm all for more roundabouts, they work very well and I wish more counties would take them seriously.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: The Ghostbuster on August 30, 2016, 06:14:42 PM
If you want roundabouts, quickshade, come to Wisconsin. They have truckloads of them. And take a few of them with you on your way home.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: quickshade on August 30, 2016, 07:26:10 PM
If you want roundabouts, quickshade, come to Wisconsin. They have truckloads of them. And take a few of them with you on your way home.

Gladly, there are a few intersection out west in McHenry county that could use it. However I wouldn't go as overboard as Wisconsin did.  :-D
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: dvferyance on August 31, 2016, 10:46:28 AM
If you want roundabouts, quickshade, come to Wisconsin. They have truckloads of them. And take a few of them with you on your way home.

Gladly, there are a few intersection out west in McHenry county that could use it. However I wouldn't go as overboard as Wisconsin did.  :-D
There is no question Wisconsin has gone way overboard. I was in Wales the other day the roundabout at US 18 and WI 83 is going to be another problematic roundabout just like the ones in New Berlin are.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on August 31, 2016, 11:55:19 AM
If you want roundabouts, quickshade, come to Wisconsin. They have truckloads of them. And take a few of them with you on your way home.

Good lord.  I think I was at I-94 and WI-65 last year when I saw a pair of roundabouts joining the state road to the exit ramps.  These things do nothing but increase the danger for the thru traffic on the state road.  I know!  Let's put two large obstacles in the middle of a 55 mph surface road!!  Yes I agree with the idea that WisDOT is going "overboard" heh
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: quickshade on August 31, 2016, 02:02:36 PM
I think roundabouts get a bad rap. I think if they are done right traffic flows so much better. especial in areas where the side roads have enough traffic to warrant a stop sign but not a traffic signal. Hopefully Illinois uses them a bit more often.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on August 31, 2016, 04:56:47 PM
I think roundabouts get a bad rap. I think if they are done right traffic flows so much better. especial in areas where the side roads have enough traffic to warrant a stop sign but not a traffic signal. Hopefully Illinois uses them a bit more often.

There are good applications for them.  Being stuck in the middle of a rural 55mph highway isn't one of them  :D
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: GeekJedi on August 31, 2016, 09:27:18 PM
(Insert picture of a dead horse being beaten)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on September 01, 2016, 07:43:03 PM
https://memegenerator.net/instance/23266068
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: cl94 on September 01, 2016, 09:07:51 PM
I think roundabouts get a bad rap. I think if they are done right traffic flows so much better. especial in areas where the side roads have enough traffic to warrant a stop sign but not a traffic signal. Hopefully Illinois uses them a bit more often.

There are good applications for them.  Being stuck in the middle of a rural 55mph highway isn't one of them  :D

*cough* Malta (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9489545,-73.7899373,447m/data=!3m1!1e3) *cough*
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rothman on September 02, 2016, 08:24:34 AM
...and Malta (https://goo.gl/maps/jBBDr59ZBit), cough, cough...

Even NYSDOT's Chief Operations Officer some years back thought the five roundabouts in a half-mile was a bad idea and said so publicly at ITS-NY on year.

(personal opinion emphasized)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: spell4yr on September 29, 2016, 06:34:47 PM
I was on I-80 between the Tri-State and I-355 recently, and I assume that the new signs there were fabricated right as the Clearview approval was rescinded. I forget which is which, but it looks odd that the ground-mounted signs are in one font and the overhead signs are in the other.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on October 03, 2016, 11:02:58 AM
I was on I-80 between the Tri-State and I-355 recently, and I assume that the new signs there were fabricated right as the Clearview approval was rescinded. I forget which is which, but it looks odd that the ground-mounted signs are in one font and the overhead signs are in the other.

I noticed some new signs on I-39 yesterday that were like this too!  The fall of Clearview has begun!
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: spell4yr on October 04, 2016, 10:29:16 AM
Were all the I-39 signs replaced though? Because all the I-80 signs were new even though they were different fonts.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on October 04, 2016, 10:50:31 PM
Were all the I-39 signs replaced though? Because all the I-80 signs were new even though they were different fonts.

Not all of them. The ones I noticed were along the I-39/90 corridor and at the I-39/US-20 interchange going northbound.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on October 05, 2016, 12:13:55 AM
This might be an example of a new sign without Clearview.  This is on I-39 northbound.  Obviously only a few new signs are showing the switch back to FHWA (it's not like they're doing a complete overhaul all at once)

(https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7547/29977631702_254cdd0ccb_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MF2cv1)
I-39-I-88NA.5 (https://flic.kr/p/MF2cv1) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on October 05, 2016, 05:55:00 PM
I know the new signs they put up on Rt 59 at I-88 are back to the old font and not Clearview.
According to streetview, the interchange is still under construction. It finished the big part of it earlier this summer.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on October 05, 2016, 06:32:47 PM
I know the new signs they put up on Rt 59 at I-88 are back to the old font and not Clearview.
According to streetview, the interchange is still under construction. It finished the big part of it earlier this summer.

That interchange is complete.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on October 05, 2016, 08:48:17 PM
I know the new signs they put up on Rt 59 at I-88 are back to the old font and not Clearview.
According to streetview, the interchange is still under construction. It finished the big part of it earlier this summer.

That interchange is complete.

95%. There's still landscaping going on and some "temporary" utility poles that need to be removed.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on October 06, 2016, 10:32:54 AM
Yes I am aware. I drive it practically daily.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on November 03, 2016, 07:58:24 PM
East River Road bridge is open to traffic
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on November 03, 2016, 09:43:43 PM
The one over the Kennedy? Ah neat, last time I saw they were tearing it down, I don't go over there much anymore.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on November 04, 2016, 10:44:21 AM
Yup, they were doing final Kennedy work at the bridge and beginning on the extra lane going eastbound last night.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on November 04, 2016, 01:36:01 PM
Yup, they were doing final Kennedy work at the bridge and beginning on the extra lane going eastbound last night.

Are they going to rebuild the bridges and repave the entire pavement as well?

Any idea when they're going to start on the west end?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on November 05, 2016, 07:32:51 AM
Yup, they were doing final Kennedy work at the bridge and beginning on the extra lane going eastbound last night.

Are they going to rebuild the bridges and repave the entire pavement as well?

Any idea when they're going to start on the west end?
Long range, I would assume that they will rebuild each bridge over the Kennedy and resurface it. Definitely needs both. As far as a timetable, who knows. Certainly not before they finish the construction on the NW Tollway and the Cumberland interchange.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on November 12, 2016, 09:38:44 PM
ANyone know when the Flyover ramp for the Dan Ryan and Ike is supposed to open? It is coming along pretty well
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: quickshade on November 12, 2016, 10:19:02 PM
ANyone know when the Flyover ramp for the Dan Ryan and Ike is supposed to open? It is coming along pretty well

End of the year according to IDOT, no firm date given yet.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on November 19, 2016, 02:26:05 PM
Is there a reason why IDOT doesn't use LED lights?

It's just odd driving over the 390 flyover with the yellow halogen lights and cross over to ITHSA land where you get bombarded by bright white LED lights.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on November 19, 2016, 02:29:43 PM
Is there a reason why IDOT doesn't use LED lights?

IDOT's behind the times as usual.  Do I really need to say more?  :pan:
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on November 19, 2016, 02:45:08 PM
Is there a reason why IDOT doesn't use LED lights?

IDOT's behind the times as usual.  Do I really need to say more?  :pan:

Isn't there some agreement that IDOT has to start transitioning to LED lights for more federal funds?

I imagine there's some grant money for LED lights.

I also thought I read somewhere that IDOT started putting LED lights in starting 2012 or 2013.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: quickshade on November 19, 2016, 03:26:46 PM
Is there a reason why IDOT doesn't use LED lights?

IDOT's behind the times as usual.  Do I really need to say more?  :pan:

Isn't there some agreement that IDOT has to start transitioning to LED lights for more federal funds?

I imagine there's some grant money for LED lights.

I also thought I read somewhere that IDOT started putting LED lights in starting 2012 or 2013.

As of last year, they were still in phase 2 of the design and study of LED lighting. This includes things like retrofit cost, LED lifetime, the next advancement of LED lights and other possible lighting solutions plus maintenance, contractors, light pollution, etc. Basically a whole study on stuff that the tollway could have already told them about (why don't they ever work jointly on these studies) but IDOT felt it best to do on its own.

I'd make the suggestion that some lightbulb changing union see's LED as a loss in their jobs (10-15 year bulbs compared to 2 currently) and they are protesting against it.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on November 19, 2016, 04:19:29 PM
Is there a reason why IDOT doesn't use LED lights?

IDOT's behind the times as usual.  Do I really need to say more?  :pan:

Isn't there some agreement that IDOT has to start transitioning to LED lights for more federal funds?

I imagine there's some grant money for LED lights.

I also thought I read somewhere that IDOT started putting LED lights in starting 2012 or 2013.

As of last year, they were still in phase 2 of the design and study of LED lighting. This includes things like retrofit cost, LED lifetime, the next advancement of LED lights and other possible lighting solutions plus maintenance, contractors, light pollution, etc. Basically a whole study on stuff that the tollway could have already told them about (why don't they ever work jointly on these studies) but IDOT felt it best to do on its own.

I'd make the suggestion that some lightbulb changing union see's LED as a loss in their jobs (10-15 year bulbs compared to 2 currently) and they are protesting against it.


Phase 2 out of how many studies and when's the projected completion date?

Doubt it'd get anywhere. Going from a lifespan of 5 years to 15-20 years isn't going to "kill jobs."

I also read somewhere that IDOT saved 60 million on union costs somewhere. Link to the unions protesting? Doubt it'd get far, especially with Rauner as governor.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on November 19, 2016, 09:34:51 PM
Is there a reason why IDOT doesn't use LED lights?

There are some IDOT projects that are being designed with LED lights...like the IL 178 over the Illinois River in Utica, which will have LED pedestrian and roadway lighting.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on November 20, 2016, 09:14:52 PM
Is there a reason why IDOT doesn't use LED lights?

There are some IDOT projects that are being designed with LED lights...like the IL 178 over the Illinois River in Utica, which will have LED pedestrian and roadway lighting.

The only use of LED lighting I've seen on IDOT maintained roadways/highways seems to be more related to local municipalities. For example, some of the roadways in Naperville have LED lighting, and some are IDOT maintained I believe. However, I am certain it is more something to do with Naperville than IDOT.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on November 23, 2016, 10:22:24 PM
I just saw LED lights at the weight station on I-74 between Bloomington and IL-117
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on November 25, 2016, 09:48:00 AM
I just saw LED lights at the weight station on I-74 between Bloomington and IL-117

I just am baffled that IDOT doesn't use them in conjunction with the Tollway at the applicable interchanges, but they use them at a weigh station downstate. Again, the contrast of lighting on new interchanges on I-90 and IL 390 just seems odd. Or how about on the Manheim Road reconstruction near O'Hare, the City of Chicago controlled portions of the roadways over there all received upgrading to LED lighting, so one would think IDOT would better coordinate and follow suit.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: quickshade on November 25, 2016, 11:02:42 AM
I just saw LED lights at the weight station on I-74 between Bloomington and IL-117

I just am baffled that IDOT doesn't use them in conjunction with the Tollway at the applicable interchanges, but they use them at a weigh station downstate. Again, the contrast of lighting on new interchanges on I-90 and IL 390 just seems odd. Or how about on the Manheim Road reconstruction near O'Hare, the City of Chicago controlled portions of the roadways over there all received upgrading to LED lighting, so one would think IDOT would better coordinate and follow suit.

The tollway stopped trying to coordinate because it took to long to get answers and IDOT always tried to take the lead on projects without having any kind of proper funding to accomplish them. When the I90 rebuild was first getting started a rebuild of the 53 interchange was looked at with the tollway willing to throw money at the project to cut down on the congestion. But politics downstate kept interfering with the project.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on November 25, 2016, 11:14:45 AM
I just saw LED lights at the weight station on I-74 between Bloomington and IL-117

I just am baffled that IDOT doesn't use them in conjunction with the Tollway at the applicable interchanges, but they use them at a weigh station downstate. Again, the contrast of lighting on new interchanges on I-90 and IL 390 just seems odd. Or how about on the Manheim Road reconstruction near O'Hare, the City of Chicago controlled portions of the roadways over there all received upgrading to LED lighting, so one would think IDOT would better coordinate and follow suit.

The tollway stopped trying to coordinate because it took to long to get answers and IDOT always tried to take the lead on projects without having any kind of proper funding to accomplish them. When the I90 rebuild was first getting started a rebuild of the 53 interchange was looked at with the tollway willing to throw money at the project to cut down on the congestion. But politics downstate kept interfering with the project.

Exactly my case for why every freeway in the state should be simply turned over or sold to ISTHA.  IDOT can be a real bear to deal with, even for municipalities and counties.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on November 25, 2016, 03:27:02 PM
I just saw LED lights at the weight station on I-74 between Bloomington and IL-117

I just am baffled that IDOT doesn't use them in conjunction with the Tollway at the applicable interchanges, but they use them at a weigh station downstate. Again, the contrast of lighting on new interchanges on I-90 and IL 390 just seems odd. Or how about on the Manheim Road reconstruction near O'Hare, the City of Chicago controlled portions of the roadways over there all received upgrading to LED lighting, so one would think IDOT would better coordinate and follow suit.

The tollway stopped trying to coordinate because it took to long to get answers and IDOT always tried to take the lead on projects without having any kind of proper funding to accomplish them. When the I90 rebuild was first getting started a rebuild of the 53 interchange was looked at with the tollway willing to throw money at the project to cut down on the congestion. But politics downstate kept interfering with the project.

Exactly my case for why every freeway in the state should be simply turned over or sold to ISTHA.  IDOT can be a real bear to deal with, even for municipalities and counties.

Well, now that the constitutional amendment has been passed that bars gas tax money from being used on anything but it's intended purpose, IDOT doesn't need to worry about funding raids anymore. Maybe this will compel them to reform themselves, catch up and start cooperating more.

I know, wishful thinking............
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on November 25, 2016, 10:39:36 PM
I just saw LED lights at the weight station on I-74 between Bloomington and IL-117

I just am baffled that IDOT doesn't use them in conjunction with the Tollway at the applicable interchanges, but they use them at a weigh station downstate. Again, the contrast of lighting on new interchanges on I-90 and IL 390 just seems odd. Or how about on the Manheim Road reconstruction near O'Hare, the City of Chicago controlled portions of the roadways over there all received upgrading to LED lighting, so one would think IDOT would better coordinate and follow suit.

The tollway stopped trying to coordinate because it took to long to get answers and IDOT always tried to take the lead on projects without having any kind of proper funding to accomplish them. When the I90 rebuild was first getting started a rebuild of the 53 interchange was looked at with the tollway willing to throw money at the project to cut down on the congestion. But politics downstate kept interfering with the project.

Exactly my case for why every freeway in the state should be simply turned over or sold to ISTHA.  IDOT can be a real bear to deal with, even for municipalities and counties.

Well, now that the constitutional amendment has been passed that bars gas tax money from being used on anything but it's intended purpose, IDOT doesn't need to worry about funding raids anymore. Maybe this will compel them to reform themselves, catch up and start cooperating more.

I know, wishful thinking............

It probably is a pipe dream to think that IDOT will actually catch up with the times and get a clue with the other agencies in IL. Although, I never could understand how gas tax would have been funneled anywhere but transportation and infrastructure projects.

I do recall a similar measure passed in MO some years ago when I was in college there, and it did result in a slew of much needed projects at that time (of course MoDOT now has no money for anything).
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on November 26, 2016, 11:12:43 AM
I just saw LED lights at the weight station on I-74 between Bloomington and IL-117

I just am baffled that IDOT doesn't use them in conjunction with the Tollway at the applicable interchanges, but they use them at a weigh station downstate. Again, the contrast of lighting on new interchanges on I-90 and IL 390 just seems odd. Or how about on the Manheim Road reconstruction near O'Hare, the City of Chicago controlled portions of the roadways over there all received upgrading to LED lighting, so one would think IDOT would better coordinate and follow suit.

The tollway stopped trying to coordinate because it took to long to get answers and IDOT always tried to take the lead on projects without having any kind of proper funding to accomplish them. When the I90 rebuild was first getting started a rebuild of the 53 interchange was looked at with the tollway willing to throw money at the project to cut down on the congestion. But politics downstate kept interfering with the project.

Exactly my case for why every freeway in the state should be simply turned over or sold to ISTHA.  IDOT can be a real bear to deal with, even for municipalities and counties.

Well, now that the constitutional amendment has been passed that bars gas tax money from being used on anything but it's intended purpose, IDOT doesn't need to worry about funding raids anymore. Maybe this will compel them to reform themselves, catch up and start cooperating more.

I know, wishful thinking............

IDOT needs to go all it for the I-294 rebuild with I-290 ramps and other local roads.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: US 41 on November 26, 2016, 06:38:35 PM
Does anyone know if they are finished with the 6 laning of I-70 and I-57 in Effingham yet? It seems like they have taken their sweet time on that project. I used to drive over there once a month to check out the construction, but I stopped because the cnstruction was taking so long and it didn't ever seem like very much progress was made. 
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on November 26, 2016, 06:46:40 PM
Does anyone know if they are finished with the 6 laning of I-70 and I-57 in Effingham yet? It seems like they have taken their sweet time on that project. I used to drive over there once a month to check out the construction, but I stopped because the cnstruction was taking so long and it didn't ever seem like very much progress was made. 

Yes, IDOT got done with that project.
Here is a YouTube video on it.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on November 26, 2016, 07:04:40 PM
I just saw LED lights at the weight station on I-74 between Bloomington and IL-117

I just am baffled that IDOT doesn't use them in conjunction with the Tollway at the applicable interchanges, but they use them at a weigh station downstate.

It is my understanding that lighting is controlled at the District level in IDOT, similar to traffic signal design.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on November 26, 2016, 07:32:27 PM
I just saw LED lights at the weight station on I-74 between Bloomington and IL-117

I just am baffled that IDOT doesn't use them in conjunction with the Tollway at the applicable interchanges, but they use them at a weigh station downstate.

It is my understanding that lighting is controlled at the District level in IDOT, similar to traffic signal design.

Yes, but with substantial input from the Electrical unit in Springfield. They are starting to use more and more LED lighting on projects, and may show up in the next few years of projects where lighting is involved.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on November 27, 2016, 01:48:16 AM
Does anyone know if they are finished with the 6 laning of I-70 and I-57 in Effingham yet? It seems like they have taken their sweet time on that project. I used to drive over there once a month to check out the construction, but I stopped because the cnstruction was taking so long and it didn't ever seem like very much progress was made. 

Yes, IDOT got done with that project.
Here is a YouTube video on it.

I like how they used concrete (well, for the majority of it.) IMO, portland concrete > asphalt
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: CtrlAltDel on November 27, 2016, 04:26:38 PM
Yes, IDOT got done with that project.
Here is a YouTube video on it.

I noticed that both the north and south junctions of I-57 and I-70 have a "three-level" bridge, that is, there is a place where three roadways intersect, with a bridge over a bridge over a road. I would have thought that that is an inefficient design, and that the crossover points would be better if they were more spread out. Does anyone know anything about this sort of thing?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on November 27, 2016, 08:36:22 PM
^ I know it seems to have been popular downstate, as the two interchanges at the ends of the I-57/I-64 multiplex and I-55 at I-155 are fairly similar in design.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: US 41 on November 27, 2016, 08:55:49 PM
Thanks. It's about time they finished that project. And yes I agree that concrete is better than black top. The black top just seems to always break apart after 2 or 3 years. The concrete seems to be good for 30 years.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on November 30, 2016, 01:43:51 AM
Dan Ryan to Ike flyover ramp likely to open next month. Progress pic.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNXuK-lgD-t/
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on November 30, 2016, 09:07:17 AM
Dan Ryan to Ike flyover ramp likely to open next month. Progress pic.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNXuK-lgD-t/

then what's left for the eta completion to be 2018?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on November 30, 2016, 10:15:40 AM
Dan Ryan to Ike flyover ramp likely to open next month. Progress pic.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNXuK-lgD-t/

then what's left for the eta completion to be 2018?

That and a complete resurfacing of Congress/290 pavement (pavement done by summer 18)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on November 30, 2016, 12:55:52 PM
Dan Ryan to Ike flyover ramp likely to open next month. Progress pic.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNXuK-lgD-t/

then what's left for the eta completion to be 2018?

That and a complete resurfacing of Congress/290 pavement (pavement done by summer 18)

2 years? they resurfaced all of eisenhower in one summer back in 2009 or 2010.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on November 30, 2016, 06:20:59 PM
Dan Ryan to Ike flyover ramp likely to open next month. Progress pic.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNXuK-lgD-t/

then what's left for the eta completion to be 2018?

That and a complete resurfacing of Congress/290 pavement (pavement done by summer 18)

2 years? they resurfaced all of eisenhower in one summer back in 2009 or 2010.

"This next step of the Jane Byrne Interchange project will focus on bridge work and pavement reconstruction on the westbound Eisenhower Expressway from the Post Office to Racine Avenue. The project improves traffic flow and safety, as well as connects the new flyover bridge from the inbound Dan Ryan Expressway (I-90/94) to the westbound Eisenhower. These improvements are expected to be completed in Summer 2018."

I mean I agree, 2 years for such a small section is long. But I think "bridge work" means a full reconstruction of the mainline 290/Congress bridge over the Kennedy/Ryan
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on December 01, 2016, 09:57:05 AM
Seems to me that, as a 48 year old, I can't recall a time when the Byrne interchange WASN'T under construction.

Granted I don't get into the city as often as I probably should, but as my broadcasting professor once said "Perception is your reality."
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on December 01, 2016, 05:15:35 PM
Aren't they actually redoing every bridge on the interchange?

Edit: Well it looks like they are aiming for the flyover ramp to open this weekend. http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/flyover-ramp-opens-sunday-at-jane-byrne-interchange/ (http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/flyover-ramp-opens-sunday-at-jane-byrne-interchange/)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on December 27, 2016, 11:36:31 AM
GSV has updated so you can see the mostly-finished product of the IL-71 rebuild & widening project in Oswego.

https://goo.gl/maps/2QfTG6azLGk
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on December 27, 2016, 12:11:43 PM
GSV has updated so you can see the mostly-finished product of the IL-71 rebuild & widening project in Oswego.

https://goo.gl/maps/2QfTG6azLGk

It's finished now, but IDOT went a little overkill on parts of it.  Washington Street (Plainfield Road) and IL-71 does not need dual left turn lanes in each direction.  Nor do parts of the IL-71 and Orchard Road intersection.  They're not that busy.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on December 27, 2016, 04:32:53 PM
GSV has updated so you can see the mostly-finished product of the IL-71 rebuild & widening project in Oswego.

https://goo.gl/maps/2QfTG6azLGk

It's finished now, but IDOT went a little overkill on parts of it.  Washington Street (Plainfield Road) and IL-71 does not need dual left turn lanes in each direction.  Nor do parts of the IL-71 and Orchard Road intersection.  They're not that busy.

This project was designed in the mid-2000s when Kendall County was growing by 5000+ people a year and accommodated the projected growth. It may or may not materialize, but at the time, Joliet had a comprehensive plan that had 70,000 people in 36 square miles directly south of Oswego and definitely would have fed into the 71 corridor, as well as the growth from Yorkville, Plainfield and Oswego itself. One of the oft-heard criticisms of road planning in Kendall was that they were constantly trying to play catch-up, and the IL 71 design was meant to capture the projected growth so they wouldn't have to go back to the drawing board 10 or 15 years later.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2004-11-18/news/0411180384_1_kendall-residents-growth-plan-sewage-treatment-plant

P.S. GSV still has orange barrels blocking off 2 of the lanes. Last time I went through the area, all 4 through lanes were open except at the Orchard/Minkler intersection at the west end.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on December 27, 2016, 05:27:59 PM
GSV has updated so you can see the mostly-finished product of the IL-71 rebuild & widening project in Oswego.

https://goo.gl/maps/2QfTG6azLGk

It's finished now, but IDOT went a little overkill on parts of it.  Washington Street (Plainfield Road) and IL-71 does not need dual left turn lanes in each direction.  Nor do parts of the IL-71 and Orchard Road intersection.  They're not that busy.

This project was designed in the mid-2000s when Kendall County was growing by 5000+ people a year and accommodated the projected growth. It may or may not materialize, but at the time, Joliet had a comprehensive plan that had 70,000 people in 36 square miles directly south of Oswego and definitely would have fed into the 71 corridor, as well as the growth from Yorkville, Plainfield and Oswego itself. One of the oft-heard criticisms of road planning in Kendall was that they were constantly trying to play catch-up, and the IL 71 design was meant to capture the projected growth so they wouldn't have to go back to the drawing board 10 or 15 years later.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2004-11-18/news/0411180384_1_kendall-residents-growth-plan-sewage-treatment-plant

P.S. GSV still has orange barrels blocking off 2 of the lanes. Last time I went through the area, all 4 through lanes were open except at the Orchard/Minkler intersection at the west end.

It's still a bit over kill for the types of roads being turned into from the dual left turn lanes.  Another example, IDOT is finishing up US-30 between I-55 and IL-59.  There are dual left turn lanes at Frontage Road, a road that will never be more than one lane per direction due to many factors, notwithstanding a wetland by Caton Farm Road.  That's an accident waiting to happen.  As are the new dual left turn lanes at Renwick Road, another road that will never be more than one lane per direction due to Plainfield's unwillingness to widen the road (it was presented to them as a possible bypass in the 1990s, and they rejected it - typical Plainfield).
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on December 28, 2016, 09:06:04 AM

  There are dual left turn lanes at Frontage Road, a road that will never be more than one lane per direction due to many factors, notwithstanding a wetland by Caton Farm Road.  That's an accident waiting to happen. 

I've often wondered about the dual turn lanes on southbound IL 47 at Pine Bluff Road south of Morris.  It's a similar setup.  I've almost gotten into some accidents there by douchenozzles trying to beat others before Pine Bluff road narrows down in a couple hundred feet.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on December 28, 2016, 09:09:43 AM

  There are dual left turn lanes at Frontage Road, a road that will never be more than one lane per direction due to many factors, notwithstanding a wetland by Caton Farm Road.  That's an accident waiting to happen. 

I've often wondered about the dual turn lanes on southbound IL 47 at Pine Bluff Road south of Morris.  It's a similar setup.  I've almost gotten into some accidents there by douchenozzles trying to beat others before Pine Bluff road narrows down in a couple hundred feet.

It's a damn stupid setup.  IDOT should be liable for this kind of thoughtlessness, IMHO.  You cannot have two left turn lanes turning into one road lane.  Of course, if IDOT was really smart, they'd adopt the Michigan Left and end this two left turn lane crap.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on December 28, 2016, 09:13:41 AM

  There are dual left turn lanes at Frontage Road, a road that will never be more than one lane per direction due to many factors, notwithstanding a wetland by Caton Farm Road.  That's an accident waiting to happen. 

I've often wondered about the dual turn lanes on southbound IL 47 at Pine Bluff Road south of Morris.  It's a similar setup.  I've almost gotten into some accidents there by douchenozzles trying to beat others before Pine Bluff road narrows down in a couple hundred feet.

It's a damn stupid setup.  IDOT should be liable for this kind of thoughtlessness, IMHO.  You cannot have two left turn lanes turning into one road lane.  Of course, if IDOT was really smart, they'd adopt the Michigan Left and end this two left turn lane crap.

At least, especially with the new business park at Lorenzo Road and I-55, there is a doubtful potential for Pine Bluff to be widened at some point, but still, the dual turn lanes aren't needed.  A single longer left turn lane, sure.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on December 31, 2016, 02:44:21 PM

  There are dual left turn lanes at Frontage Road, a road that will never be more than one lane per direction due to many factors, notwithstanding a wetland by Caton Farm Road.  That's an accident waiting to happen. 

I've often wondered about the dual turn lanes on southbound IL 47 at Pine Bluff Road south of Morris.  It's a similar setup.  I've almost gotten into some accidents there by douchenozzles trying to beat others before Pine Bluff road narrows down in a couple hundred feet.

It's a damn stupid setup.  IDOT should be liable for this kind of thoughtlessness, IMHO.  You cannot have two left turn lanes turning into one road lane.  Of course, if IDOT was really smart, they'd adopt the Michigan Left and end this two left turn lane crap.

At least, especially with the new business park at Lorenzo Road and I-55, there is a doubtful potential for Pine Bluff to be widened at some point, but still, the dual turn lanes aren't needed.  A single longer left turn lane, sure.
I also wouldn't completely dismiss that Orchard Rd/Minkler Rd gets straightened and becomes a new corridor with a possible extension to I-80 since the Prairie Pkwy is dead. It would be a reasonable alternate to 47. I could see them treating it much like what they are doing with Ridge Rd. Kendall County is still very much a growing area. I would hope they foresee the need for the future.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on December 31, 2016, 05:40:57 PM
I also wouldn't completely dismiss that Orchard Rd/Minkler Rd gets straightened and becomes a new corridor with a possible extension to I-80 since the Prairie Pkwy is dead. It would be a reasonable alternate to 47. I could see them treating it much like what they are doing with Ridge Rd. Kendall County is still very much a growing area. I would hope they foresee the need for the future.

The Orchard Road corridor was actually one of the "arterial" highway alternatives in the Prairie Parkway study. With all the add-lanes work that has been done to date by Kendall and Kane counties, it is 2/3rds done now. The Orchard Road Fox River bridge was set up for future additional lanes when it was built, and it has been considered to also re-route the marked US 34 over that bridge after US 34 is widened between Yorkville and Orchard Road (construction is just starting), and then to use the new IL-71 four-lane as marked US 34 into Oswego (the current US 34 between Orchard Rd. and the IL-71 junction at Wolf's Crossing Rd. might be "Business 34" or something). I don't know the current status of that planning, this was 10 years ago when I was still at IDOT.

FWIW, the current US 34 between Orchard and the Kane County line had an IDOT add-lanes study that was put on hold when Orchard Road was built, the county thought that Orchard would relieve the traffic that was using US 34 and eliminate the need for the widening. After Orchard was built, that section of US 34 still sees enough traffic to warrant an expansion, but there is little push for it now.

Grundy County is studying a new 4-lane corridor between the I-80 Brisbin Road interchange and the Kendall County line at Sherrill Road. The thought is that at some point, Kendall County will take this corridor from that point and jog it to Grove Road, where it ties into Plainfield Road just south of IL 71 (where those dual lefts were just built). It's way long range, but would be another major north-south corridor. Ideally, at some time the Grove-Plainfield intersection would be relocated to the south, because it is somewhat close to the Plainfield -IL 71 intersection today; but there are complications including a lot of park land that is owned by the Oswegoland Park District.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on January 01, 2017, 05:13:10 PM
I also wouldn't completely dismiss that Orchard Rd/Minkler Rd gets straightened and becomes a new corridor with a possible extension to I-80 since the Prairie Pkwy is dead. It would be a reasonable alternate to 47. I could see them treating it much like what they are doing with Ridge Rd. Kendall County is still very much a growing area. I would hope they foresee the need for the future.

The Orchard Road corridor was actually one of the "arterial" highway alternatives in the Prairie Parkway study. With all the add-lanes work that has been done to date by Kendall and Kane counties, it is 2/3rds done now. The Orchard Road Fox River bridge was set up for future additional lanes when it was built, and it has been considered to also re-route the marked US 34 over that bridge after US 34 is widened between Yorkville and Orchard Road (construction is just starting), and then to use the new IL-71 four-lane as marked US 34 into Oswego (the current US 34 between Orchard Rd. and the IL-71 junction at Wolf's Crossing Rd. might be "Business 34" or something). I don't know the current status of that planning, this was 10 years ago when I was still at IDOT.

FWIW, the current US 34 between Orchard and the Kane County line had an IDOT add-lanes study that was put on hold when Orchard Road was built, the county thought that Orchard would relieve the traffic that was using US 34 and eliminate the need for the widening. After Orchard was built, that section of US 34 still sees enough traffic to warrant an expansion, but there is little push for it now.

Grundy County is studying a new 4-lane corridor between the I-80 Brisbin Road interchange and the Kendall County line at Sherrill Road. The thought is that at some point, Kendall County will take this corridor from that point and jog it to Grove Road, where it ties into Plainfield Road just south of IL 71 (where those dual lefts were just built). It's way long range, but would be another major north-south corridor. Ideally, at some time the Grove-Plainfield intersection would be relocated to the south, because it is somewhat close to the Plainfield -IL 71 intersection today; but there are complications including a lot of park land that is owned by the Oswegoland Park District.

GTK Rick. And I agree that the Grove-Plainfield Rd intersection should have been moved. Ideally, I would have moved it to meet Woolley Rd when they realigned Wooley and Plainfield a few years ago. That would have made sense to me.

As far as US 34, I never thought about rerouting it that way but it might as well since 34 thru traffic with common sense would do that. Do the Bus 34 as you suggest. Have IL 31 extended southwest to Orchard Rd, and IL 25 extended south on Madison and east on Washington to meet up with IL 71. But then we are getting a bit into the fantasy realm.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on January 25, 2017, 12:57:04 AM
Minor notes on the Cumberland flyover/4th land on the Kennedy:

-Bridge piers are starting to grow by the 190/90 merge.

-Looks like Higgens could see a resurfacing with this project, as multiple sections between East River Road and Harlem are blocked for electrical and pavement cutting. Also the right lane is down from Harlem to Oriole going westbound on that mini-flyover for the 4th lane.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: dvferyance on January 25, 2017, 09:18:56 AM
(Insert picture of a dead horse being beaten)
It's a valid argument. Roundabouts are not suitable for high speed roads. I am perfectly fine with them on slower speed roads but they are not meant for high speed roads becasue they are just that high speed roads. It's illogical to have to slow way down on a road that was built for speed.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: GeekJedi on January 25, 2017, 09:50:17 AM
(Insert picture of a dead horse being beaten)
It's a valid argument. Roundabouts are not suitable for high speed roads. I am perfectly fine with them on slower speed roads but they are not meant for high speed roads becasue they are just that high speed roads. It's illogical to have to slow way down on a road that was built for speed.

No, it's not a valid argument. The last time you brought it up, I presented several studies that proved otherwise - roundabouts reduce the amount of injuries and major damage at high-speed intersections. If it's "illogical" to slow way down on a road that's built for speed, we should then also remove any other traffic control devices, not just the one you don't like.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on January 25, 2017, 12:34:52 PM
GSV has updated so you can see the mostly-finished product of the IL-71 rebuild & widening project in Oswego.

https://goo.gl/maps/2QfTG6azLGk

It's finished now, but IDOT went a little overkill on parts of it.  Washington Street (Plainfield Road) and IL-71 does not need dual left turn lanes in each direction.  Nor do parts of the IL-71 and Orchard Road intersection.  They're not that busy.

I grew up in Oswego.  I would ride my bike as a 10-year-old to the corner store at IL-71 and Washington.  This intersection is very near and dear to my heart.  And you're absolutely right.  WHY are there dual left turn lanes ANYWHERE at this intersection?  They even put them at the western approach to the intersection, and Washington northbound is only one lane in each direction!  A five-lane road devoid of curbed medians would have been enough.  However, user Rick Powell was right--they were trying to account for projected growth...and the projections very much were overzealous, considering the economic downturn in 2007-8 that brought urban sprawl to a screeching halt.

My understanding is that the US34 expansion between Oswego and Yorkville is slated to start very soon if it hasn't begun already.  This is from the construction company that did the IL71 expansion.  This is just hearsay though.

I desperately want another Illinois River bridge between I-55 and Illinois 47.  I'd hazard that the most important north-south corridor between IL47 and IL59 (near Oswego) will connect to wherever that bridge gets put.  That puts Ridge Road, Grove Road/Brisbin Road, and Minkler Road on the table. 
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on January 25, 2017, 02:00:27 PM


I desperately want another Illinois River bridge between I-55 and Illinois 47.  I'd hazard that the most important north-south corridor between IL47 and IL59 (near Oswego) will connect to wherever that bridge gets put.  That puts Ridge Road, Grove Road/Brisbin Road, and Minkler Road on the table.

Brisbin is the only place I can see a bridge cross the river, what with Dresden nuke plant, lock and dam, and all the enviromentally sensitive areas.

The big drawback with Brisbin, is that it wouldn't really connect with anything.  YOu'd either have to build new constructiontoconnect with DuPont road, over to IL 47, or Pine Bluff raod would need to be widended, and both would have some serious challenges to overcome..
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: dvferyance on January 28, 2017, 10:59:58 PM
(Insert picture of a dead horse being beaten)
It's a valid argument. Roundabouts are not suitable for high speed roads. I am perfectly fine with them on slower speed roads but they are not meant for high speed roads becasue they are just that high speed roads. It's illogical to have to slow way down on a road that was built for speed.

No, it's not a valid argument. The last time you brought it up, I presented several studies that proved otherwise - roundabouts reduce the amount of injuries and major damage at high-speed intersections. If it's "illogical" to slow way down on a road that's built for speed, we should then also remove any other traffic control devices, not just the one you don't like.
Then there is no point to even have high speed roads if I have to keep slowing down all the time to go through a roundabout. Many roundabouts on high speed roads were previously 2 way stops were only the cross traffic had to stop not stoplights were the mainline also had to stop. Of course Wisdot will just say any study will prove roundabouts to be safer becasue they love them so much.  Even Europe which has more roundabouts doesn't build them on roads built for speed.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on January 28, 2017, 11:07:45 PM
(Insert picture of a dead horse being beaten)
It's a valid argument. Roundabouts are not suitable for high speed roads. I am perfectly fine with them on slower speed roads but they are not meant for high speed roads becasue they are just that high speed roads. It's illogical to have to slow way down on a road that was built for speed.

No, it's not a valid argument. The last time you brought it up, I presented several studies that proved otherwise - roundabouts reduce the amount of injuries and major damage at high-speed intersections. If it's "illogical" to slow way down on a road that's built for speed, we should then also remove any other traffic control devices, not just the one you don't like.
Then there is no point to even have high speed roads if I have to keep slowing down all the time to go through a roundabout. Many roundabouts on high speed roads were previously 2 way stops were only the cross traffic had to stop not stoplights were the mainline also had to stop. Of course Wisdot will just say any study will prove roundabouts to be safer becasue they love them so much.  Even Europe which has more roundabouts doesn't build them on roads built for speed.


Why do you think WIDOT loves roundabouts to the point that they would grab any study that says they are safer?

And can you point to ANY study that disputes that they are safer? 
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: GeekJedi on January 29, 2017, 01:25:13 PM
Of course Wisdot will just say any study will prove roundabouts to be safer becasue they love them so much.  Even Europe which has more roundabouts doesn't build them on roads built for speed.

The studies that I posted that disproved your "facts" were not produced by WisDOT. These were studies I found simply by searching, and were produced by other DOT's, researchers, and (I believe) a university study or two.

So, I think you can drop that theory now.

Don't forget the first rule of holes: When you find yourself in one, stop digging.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: silverback1065 on January 30, 2017, 11:06:00 AM
Use a rotary on high speed roads then
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on January 30, 2017, 12:08:28 PM
Of course Wisdot will just say any study will prove roundabouts to be safer becasue they love them so much.  Even Europe which has more roundabouts doesn't build them on roads built for speed.

The studies that I posted that disproved your "facts" were not produced by WisDOT. These were studies I found simply by searching, and were produced by other DOT's, researchers, and (I believe) a university study or two.

So, I think you can drop that theory now.

Don't forget the first rule of holes: When you find yourself in one, stop digging.

Except that you didn't even bother to start digging for the studies you claim to exist
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: GeekJedi on January 30, 2017, 05:10:25 PM
Of course Wisdot will just say any study will prove roundabouts to be safer becasue they love them so much.  Even Europe which has more roundabouts doesn't build them on roads built for speed.

The studies that I posted that disproved your "facts" were not produced by WisDOT. These were studies I found simply by searching, and were produced by other DOT's, researchers, and (I believe) a university study or two.

So, I think you can drop that theory now.

Don't forget the first rule of holes: When you find yourself in one, stop digging.

Except that you didn't even bother to start digging for the studies you claim to exist

And you didn't do the most basic of searches. I've posted them here in the forum before.

Thanks for playing.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on January 31, 2017, 02:46:11 PM
And you didn't do the most basic of searches. I've posted them here in the forum before.

Thanks for playing.

No, kiddo.  That ain't how it works.  You've got game, you bring it to the table.  You want a leg to stand on, you bring it.  I can't stand on your legs for you.  It's your job to back up your arguments, if you aim to be taken seriously at all.

Why do I have to explain this to anyone.  Your argument is "cuz I said so" until you quote something or you post a link.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: GeekJedi on January 31, 2017, 03:21:00 PM
And you didn't do the most basic of searches. I've posted them here in the forum before.

Thanks for playing.

No, kiddo.  That ain't how it works.  You've got game, you bring it to the table.  You want a leg to stand on, you bring it.  I can't stand on your legs for you.  It's your job to back up your arguments, if you aim to be taken seriously at all.

Why do I have to explain this to anyone.  Your argument is "cuz I said so" until you quote something or you post a link.

Go look for the posts. I already backed up my argument here, no need to do it again because you're lazy.

There's a "search" button for a reason. Use it, kiddo.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on January 31, 2017, 08:22:15 PM
And you didn't do the most basic of searches. I've posted them here in the forum before.

Thanks for playing.

No, kiddo.  That ain't how it works.  You've got game, you bring it to the table.  You want a leg to stand on, you bring it.  I can't stand on your legs for you.  It's your job to back up your arguments, if you aim to be taken seriously at all.

Why do I have to explain this to anyone.  Your argument is "cuz I said so" until you quote something or you post a link.


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Roundabout+safety+studies

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on February 03, 2017, 09:39:06 AM
Change of topic.

6-7 years ago, I-55 was widened to 6 lanes between Weber Rd. and the I&M Canal.  The road is in absolute horrid shape.  No more than one year after the construction ended, the pavement was already deteriorating, and it took two years to fix those patches.  More portions are deteriorating now.  The road almost needs to be rebuilt, IMHO, and of course, there's no money in the state to do so. It sucks driving this section every day.

It should have been widened to 6 lanes all the way down to Ridge Rd., and 55 should have been widened to 6 south of the Des Plaines as part of the Arsenal Road project.

Gotta love this state.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on February 03, 2017, 12:38:28 PM
Change of topic.

6-7 years ago, I-55 was widened to 6 lanes between Weber Rd. and the I&M Canal.  The road is in absolute horrid shape.  No more than one year after the construction ended, the pavement was already deteriorating, and it took two years to fix those patches.  More portions are deteriorating now.  The road almost needs to be rebuilt, IMHO, and of course, there's no money in the state to do so. It sucks driving this section every day.

It should have been widened to 6 lanes all the way down to Ridge Rd., and 55 should have been widened to 6 south of the Des Plaines as part of the Arsenal Road project.

Gotta love this state.

IDOT was dragged into widening the freeway.  For some reason, they had no desire to widen I-55 and were finally forced to do so by our politicians.  Hence, IDOT did the shittiest job they could on it.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on February 03, 2017, 06:35:29 PM
The shitty job on 55 costs us more money in the long run too.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on February 03, 2017, 07:13:45 PM
And they are making the same mistake now on I-90 from I-190 to Harlem Ave. They are simply rehabbing the existing pavement rather than doing a full rebuild.

It should be required that any road widening project needs to include rebuilding the existing pavement (unless the pavement is under 10 years old) to keep the road consistent.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on February 05, 2017, 02:12:58 AM
Oh lovely another Illinois topic locked up because some decided to go way off topic.

Do we know any of the projects scheduled for this year yet? Has IDOT or the Tollway released anything? I already know of the major ongoing ones such as Circle Interchange, 55 / Lake Shore Interchange and EOWA.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on February 05, 2017, 09:50:23 AM
Oh lovely another Illinois topic locked up because some decided to go way off topic.

Do we know any of the projects scheduled for this year yet? Has IDOT or the Tollway released anything? I already know of the major ongoing ones such as Circle Interchange, 55 / Lake Shore Interchange and EOWA.

The Cumberland flyover.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on February 05, 2017, 12:27:34 PM
Do we know any of the projects scheduled for this year yet? Has IDOT or the Tollway released anything? I already know of the major ongoing ones such as Circle Interchange, 55 / Lake Shore Interchange and EOWA.

I do not believe there are any big new projects starting up this year, other than perhaps the Cubmerland Flyover as tribar mentions, but more of continuing the projects already underway such as EOWA.

Based on the Tollway's letting schedule, (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/86690/Bid+Letting+Schedule/cf91e2f7-8096-4f36-ac4d-08dbe9666a0b) the only new projects starting appear to be reconstruction on I-88 and on the "East-West Connector" near I-294.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on February 05, 2017, 11:55:56 PM
Only thing I saw was finishing the bridge maintenance on some I-88 crossovers like Yackley, Finley, and Meyers Roads. Other than that, it's mostly finishing projects
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on February 06, 2017, 10:06:39 AM
Do we know any of the projects scheduled for this year yet? Has IDOT or the Tollway released anything? I already know of the major ongoing ones such as Circle Interchange, 55 / Lake Shore Interchange and EOWA.

I do not believe there are any big new projects starting up this year, other than perhaps the Cubmerland Flyover as tribar mentions, but more of continuing the projects already underway such as EOWA.

Based on the Tollway's letting schedule, (https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/86690/Bid+Letting+Schedule/cf91e2f7-8096-4f36-ac4d-08dbe9666a0b) the only new projects starting appear to be reconstruction on I-88 and on the "East-West Connector" near I-294.

One of the projects is labeled "I-490 and I-294 advance work package," so I guess the I-490 label for the O'Hare western beltway is more official than I thought.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Stratuscaster on February 06, 2017, 07:18:30 PM
I've seen the application to AASHTO for I-490, but cannot recall if it's been actually approved as of yet.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Henry on February 07, 2017, 10:05:15 AM
I've also seen those I-490 plans. While it would be nice to bypass the airport, its number a reminder of the failed Crosstown and LSD upgrade projects. (And yes, I'm aware that those were to become I-494, but still...)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: dzlsabe on February 10, 2017, 12:43:52 AM
I've also seen those I-490 plans. While it would be nice to bypass the airport, its number a reminder of the failed Crosstown and LSD upgrade projects. (And yes, I'm aware that those were to become I-494, but still...)

Why not just toll four lanes of XIke from Schaumburg to Strangler? It would be nice to bypass THE airport. NO additional fourth? Dupage tollway needed.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir///@42.0194927,-87.9871674,9260m/data=!3m1!1e3

https://www.google.com/maps/dir///@41.9460062,-87.9931201,9271m/data=!3m1!1e3

https://www.google.com/maps/dir///@41.9052049,-87.8817134,9277m/data=!3m1!1e3
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on February 10, 2017, 06:24:00 AM
^^ The Ike and the Bypass serve different functions, twit.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on February 10, 2017, 11:51:22 AM
I've also seen those I-490 plans. While it would be nice to bypass the airport, its number a reminder of the failed Crosstown and LSD upgrade projects. (And yes, I'm aware that those were to become I-494, but still...)

Why not just toll four lanes of XIke from Schaumburg to Strangler? It would be nice to bypass THE airport. NO additional fourth? Dupage tollway needed.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir///@42.0194927,-87.9871674,9260m/data=!3m1!1e3

https://www.google.com/maps/dir///@41.9460062,-87.9931201,9271m/data=!3m1!1e3

https://www.google.com/maps/dir///@41.9052049,-87.8817134,9277m/data=!3m1!1e3

Schaumburg to I-290 / I-355 split is 4 lanes + AUX and I-290 is an right exit off the main line at I-355.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on February 11, 2017, 12:29:15 AM
^ i swear to god you better not get this thread locked too. So pipe down on your outrages and Hypo junk. For DZ

Also just take a picture of the area because for whatever reason the links can never pin point the area your referring to. Or it just shows me Chicago
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on February 19, 2017, 07:33:27 PM
Joe is not the one who was causing that. That was DZ.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Stratuscaster on February 19, 2017, 10:31:51 PM
Schaumburg to I-290 / I-355 split is 4 lanes + AUX and I-290 is an right exit off the main line at I-355.
"Technically" I-355 is a LEFT exit off I-290. ;)

Just another reason it makes sense to run I-355 all the way up to I-90, IMHO.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Stratuscaster on February 19, 2017, 10:38:08 PM
Why not just toll four lanes of XIke from Schaumburg to Strangler? It would be nice to bypass THE airport. NO additional fourth? Dupage tollway needed.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir///@42.0194927,-87.9871674,9260m/data=!3m1!1e3
https://www.google.com/maps/dir///@41.9460062,-87.9931201,9271m/data=!3m1!1e3
https://www.google.com/maps/dir///@41.9052049,-87.8817134,9277m/data=!3m1!1e3
To the general motoring public, does it really matter how many tollways there are, or what county they are located in?

If the plan is to have a Western O'hare Access point, then the I-490 plan makes sense in that regard.

And I agree with ILRoad55 - if you don't annotate your links or explain them, they serve no purpose at all.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on February 20, 2017, 12:14:58 AM
Joe is not the one who was causing that. That was DZ.

DZ must have deleted his comment or it was removed. I'll fix that I guess.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on February 20, 2017, 09:05:23 AM
Anybody in the Chicago area get caught in this mess?

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/I-55-Shut-Down-Near-Route-30-After-Accident-State-Police-414126173.html

I was stopped for an hour before they directed traffic off onto the frontage road. Took me another 30 minutes to navigate the frontages.

When they widened 55 to 6 lanes, they never put emergency turn arounds, only access to the frontage roads.  The frontage access isn't a bad idea, but they also should have put the emergency crossovers in.  It may have made the situation better.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on February 20, 2017, 10:54:19 AM
Anybody in the Chicago area get caught in this mess?

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/I-55-Shut-Down-Near-Route-30-After-Accident-State-Police-414126173.html

I was stopped for an hour before they directed traffic off onto the frontage road. Took me another 30 minutes to navigate the frontages.

When they widened 55 to 6 lanes, they never put emergency turn arounds, only access to the frontage roads.  The frontage access isn't a bad idea, but they also should have put the emergency crossovers in.  It may have made the situation better.

Yes I saw this on the news and I saw the traffic shown on Google Maps. They forced Traffic before Route 126 onto that and that's awful because it does not connect to a Frontage Road and goes all the way into downtown Plainfield. It also A two lane road that's mostly residential and forest. And then anyone before Weber was forced to get off there. Crazy accident.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on February 20, 2017, 12:26:55 PM
Anybody in the Chicago area get caught in this mess?

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/I-55-Shut-Down-Near-Route-30-After-Accident-State-Police-414126173.html

I was stopped for an hour before they directed traffic off onto the frontage road. Took me another 30 minutes to navigate the frontages.

When they widened 55 to 6 lanes, they never put emergency turn arounds, only access to the frontage roads.  The frontage access isn't a bad idea, but they also should have put the emergency crossovers in.  It may have made the situation better.

Yes I saw this on the news and I saw the traffic shown on Google Maps. They forced Traffic before Route 126 onto that and that's awful because it does not connect to a Frontage Road and goes all the way into downtown Plainfield. It also A two lane road that's mostly residential and forest. And then anyone before Weber was forced to get off there. Crazy accident.

It does connect to the western frontage road, indirectly, but not after going about a mile or so out of the way.

It's long past time for this...

http://www.airportand126study.com/
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on February 20, 2017, 12:55:56 PM
Anybody in the Chicago area get caught in this mess?

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/I-55-Shut-Down-Near-Route-30-After-Accident-State-Police-414126173.html

I was stopped for an hour before they directed traffic off onto the frontage road. Took me another 30 minutes to navigate the frontages.

When they widened 55 to 6 lanes, they never put emergency turn arounds, only access to the frontage roads.  The frontage access isn't a bad idea, but they also should have put the emergency crossovers in.  It may have made the situation better.

Not caught in it, but saw it while heading northbound at 7 pm.  The state police were diverting people off at IL-126 and at Weber Road.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on February 25, 2017, 01:02:51 PM
I wanted to bring this to attention. http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/state-rep-hopes-to-rename-i55-for-obama/ (http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/state-rep-hopes-to-rename-i55-for-obama/)

Don't they usually name roads after someone dies? It just seems too early.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on February 25, 2017, 08:20:08 PM
^ I-55 already had a couple named sections downstate:

* Vince Demuzio Expressway for at least part of the section south of Springfield
* Paul Simon Freeway for the section that overlaps I-70

(Edited based on http://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0055seil (http://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0055seil)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on February 26, 2017, 09:13:35 AM
It does connect to the western frontage road, indirectly, but not after going about a mile or so out of the way.

It's long past time for this...

http://www.airportand126study.com/

I couldn't agree more.  There needs to be more access to the highway between US52 and Weber.  Heck, it would be nice if there was a way to get ACROSS 55 between Airport Rd and Weber Rd--there's no way to pass over or under the highway for that whole 5 mile stretch!
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ajlynch91 on February 26, 2017, 05:11:03 PM
If they're gonna rename a highway after Obama, name 57 after him. That doesn't have a name already, and the idea of the Stevenson being renamed after him is frankly sickening.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on February 26, 2017, 05:38:41 PM
If they're gonna rename a highway after Obama, name 57 after him. That doesn't have a name already, and the idea of the Stevenson being renamed after him is frankly sickening.

Actually I thought that was the original plan!  Weren't they gonna do that with 57?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on February 26, 2017, 06:47:14 PM
If they're gonna rename a highway after Obama, name 57 after him. That doesn't have a name already, and the idea of the Stevenson being renamed after him is frankly sickening.

57 would make the most sense.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on February 26, 2017, 07:17:56 PM
Completely agree that it should be I-57.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on March 04, 2017, 10:57:29 AM
It appears IDOT is dropping the Gateway Connector corridor in the St. Louis area:  http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article132984679.html (http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article132984679.html)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on March 13, 2017, 02:20:12 PM
Construction has begun on replacing the IL 178 bridge over the Illinois river at Utica / Starved Rock.  I think this is the last bridge between LaSalle /Peru and Morris to be replaced.

http://www.wbzg.net/2017/02/24/construction-begins-today-on-il-178-bridge-in-utica/
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on March 14, 2017, 12:06:48 AM
Construction has begun on replacing the IL 178 bridge over the Illinois river at Utica / Starved Rock.  I think this is the last bridge between LaSalle /Peru and Morris to be replaced.

http://www.wbzg.net/2017/02/24/construction-begins-today-on-il-178-bridge-in-utica/

There is one more truss bridge, IL 251 in Peru, that is actually older than the IL 178 bridge by 2 years. It has been rehabbed, but I'd anticipate it will be replaced within the next 15-20 years or so. The IL 178 bridge was in worse shape, and the grate drains on the shoulders (that caused deterioration of the stringers underneath the deck) didn't help.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on March 14, 2017, 12:39:48 AM
The Seneca bridge was replaced in the last 10 years as well...how old is the one in Marseilles?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on March 14, 2017, 01:02:12 AM
The Seneca bridge was replaced in the last 10 years as well...how old is the one in Marseilles?

County Highway 15 replacement bridge was opened around December 1997, according to John Weeks' site. I remember it was a cold day, they had about 2,000 people on the bridge including a high school band, and several dignitaries speaking, before opening to traffic.

https://www.johnweeks.com/river_illinois/pages/illC08.html
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on March 14, 2017, 08:55:35 AM
The Seneca bridge was replaced in the last 10 years as well...how old is the one in Marseilles?

Awesome Seneca bridge demo fail...


Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SSOWorld on March 14, 2017, 08:33:25 PM
More like Bridge Demo entertainment fail.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: US71 on March 16, 2017, 11:40:59 PM
More like Bridge Demo entertainment fail.

They took lessons from AHTD
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on March 17, 2017, 09:08:11 AM
Construction has begun on replacing the IL 178 bridge over the Illinois river at Utica / Starved Rock.  I think this is the last bridge between LaSalle /Peru and Morris to be replaced.

http://www.wbzg.net/2017/02/24/construction-begins-today-on-il-178-bridge-in-utica/

There is one more truss bridge, IL 251 in Peru, that is actually older than the IL 178 bridge by 2 years. It has been rehabbed, but I'd anticipate it will be replaced within the next 15-20 years or so. The IL 178 bridge was in worse shape, and the grate drains on the shoulders (that caused deterioration of the stringers underneath the deck) didn't help.

What's interesting, from what I've been able to glean about the new Utica / Starved Rock bridge, is that it will be built on the old road / bridge alignment just to the east of the current bridge. Before the current bridge, the previous bridge over the Illinois river was here.  Looking at a map, the road to the St. Louis canyon at Starved Rock was the original approach. North of the park entrance road, the old pavement for the previous bridge was utilized as one of the park's many trails.  Looks like the park's trail system is going to go down again, this time by one mile.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on March 17, 2017, 09:51:09 PM
What's interesting, from what I've been able to glean about the new Utica / Starved Rock bridge, is that it will be built on the old road / bridge alignment just to the east of the current bridge. Before the current bridge, the previous bridge over the Illinois river was here.  Looking at a map, the road to the St. Louis canyon at Starved Rock was the original approach. North of the park entrance road, the old pavement for the previous bridge was utilized as one of the park's many trails.  Looks like the park's trail system is going to go down again, this time by one mile.

I would have thought has part of the environmental/4F process that section of trail would have to be replaced as part of the bridge replacement?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on March 17, 2017, 11:40:06 PM
What's interesting, from what I've been able to glean about the new Utica / Starved Rock bridge, is that it will be built on the old road / bridge alignment just to the east of the current bridge. Before the current bridge, the previous bridge over the Illinois river was here.  Looking at a map, the road to the St. Louis canyon at Starved Rock was the original approach. North of the park entrance road, the old pavement for the previous bridge was utilized as one of the park's many trails.  Looks like the park's trail system is going to go down again, this time by one mile.

I would have thought has part of the environmental/4F process that section of trail would have to be replaced as part of the bridge replacement?

We'll have to see.  I could be wrong on this.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on March 18, 2017, 12:13:36 AM
What's interesting, from what I've been able to glean about the new Utica / Starved Rock bridge, is that it will be built on the old road / bridge alignment just to the east of the current bridge. Before the current bridge, the previous bridge over the Illinois river was here.  Looking at a map, the road to the St. Louis canyon at Starved Rock was the original approach. North of the park entrance road, the old pavement for the previous bridge was utilized as one of the park's many trails.  Looks like the park's trail system is going to go down again, this time by one mile.

I would have thought has part of the environmental/4F process that section of trail would have to be replaced as part of the bridge replacement?

We'll have to see.  I could be wrong on this.


The alignment that the old swing bridge was on (pre-1961) was about 200 feet to the east of the present bridge. The new bridge will not be on the old alignment...due to adjacent park land, it will be only 10 feet clearance from the present bridge, so it is going east but not nearly as far east as the old swing bridge. I have been up on the pre-1961 pavement in the park on the south side of the river, and there is no trail there, it is all overgrown with trees and vegetation, at least in the section nearest the river. The trail that crosses the west park entrance a few hundred feet back of IL 178 will be left intact by this project.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on March 20, 2017, 09:12:07 AM


The alignment that the old swing bridge was on (pre-1961) was about 200 feet to the east of the present bridge. The new bridge will not be on the old alignment...due to adjacent park land, it will be only 10 feet clearance from the present bridge, so it is going east but not nearly as far east as the old swing bridge. I have been up on the pre-1961 pavement in the park on the south side of the river, and there is no trail there, it is all overgrown with trees and vegetation, at least in the section nearest the river. The trail that crosses the west park entrance a few hundred feet back of IL 178 will be left intact by this project.

The old road alignment, last I checked, is listed on the park maps as being a trail.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on March 21, 2017, 04:18:28 PM
Over the last couple weeks, I've seen Road Construction signs going up on I-55, around Weber Road in Bolingbrook. Anyone know what's going on?  I don't think it's the long delayed reconstruction of the Weber Rd. interchange.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Henry on March 24, 2017, 09:40:18 AM
If they're gonna rename a highway after Obama, name 57 after him. That doesn't have a name already, and the idea of the Stevenson being renamed after him is frankly sickening.

Actually I thought that was the original plan!  Weren't they gonna do that with 57?
Completely agree that it should be I-57.
I was thinking the exact same thing! Leave I-55 alone; the Stevenson is a better fit than the Obama ever will be.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: cwm1276 on March 24, 2017, 08:37:11 PM
Anyone know what is being discussed for I39 around Rockford.  9 and half years after the last informational meeting IDOT had another one.  I saw it on the news after the fact. 

I did see a drawing of a DDI in the background, so I assume they are considering a DDI for Harrison and I39?  That is the only interchange in the study area.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on March 26, 2017, 06:09:19 PM
There was a recent meeting for the I-39/US 20 improvement project in Rockford. They are now projecting Phase I to be finished by the end of the year.

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/projects/I39US20 (http://www.idot.illinois.gov/projects/I39US20)

Does anyone know what was said, and what alternative was chosen? This is a long overdue project.

Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: cwm1276 on March 26, 2017, 07:01:03 PM
The DDI idea is growing on me.  I project this project to be completed after 2025. It is a bad section of road for the merging traffic northbound and the single lane 39 southbound.  Just yesterday I saw a semi taking the 39 ramp south slow backing up traffic.

20 was never designed to carry it's traffic and what has become a major north south Interstate.

The problem is I don't see any motivation in the state to want to complete a major highway project in the Rockford area.

Also this project will lead to more US 20 work around Rockford as multiple bridges are being let to rust for eventual replacement.  Bridges include Perryville, 20th street and IL 2.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on March 26, 2017, 07:03:14 PM
The DDI idea is growing on me.  I project this project to be completed after 2025. It is a bad section of road for the merging traffic northbound and the single lane 39 southbound.  Just yesterday I saw a semi taking the 39 ramp south slow backing up traffic.

20 was never designed to carry it's traffic and what has become a major north south Interstate.

The problem is I don't see any motivation in the state to want to complete a major highway project in the Rockford area.

Also this project will lead to more US 20 work around Rockford as multiple bridges are being let to rust for eventual replacement.  Bridges include Perryville, 20th street and IL 2.

I thought they were suppose to replace the Perryville Road overpass soon?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: cwm1276 on March 26, 2017, 08:13:58 PM
A railroad bridge on Perryville was just replaced, it is just north of 20/39.  I figured they were holding off on the 20/39 bridge for the 39 project.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on March 26, 2017, 08:20:51 PM
They just replaced the river bridges on 20 just west of 39 the past two years. I wouldn't be surprised if the roadway bridges are next and/or tied with this project
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Super Mateo on March 28, 2017, 10:08:12 PM
If they're gonna rename a highway after Obama, name 57 after him. That doesn't have a name already, and the idea of the Stevenson being renamed after him is frankly sickening.

Well...that's how many states he said he visited...
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: silverback1065 on March 29, 2017, 07:26:48 AM
i really wouldn't care either way, i refer to the highway by their number exclusively.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on March 29, 2017, 09:05:56 AM
i really wouldn't care either way, i refer to the highway by their number exclusively.

I do too, but in Chicago, many people refer to the highways by name.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Henry on March 29, 2017, 09:08:56 AM
i really wouldn't care either way, i refer to the highway by their number exclusively.

I do too, but in Chicago, many people refer to the highways by name.
Except for I-57, which doesn't have one.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on March 29, 2017, 09:11:37 AM
i really wouldn't care either way, i refer to the highway by their number exclusively.

I do too, but in Chicago, many people refer to the highways by name.
Except for I-57, which doesn't have one.

I thought that was either the Calumet or Bishop Ford?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on March 29, 2017, 09:15:09 AM
i really wouldn't care either way, i refer to the highway by their number exclusively.

I do too, but in Chicago, many people refer to the highways by name.
Except for I-57, which doesn't have one.

I thought that was either the Calumet or Bishop Ford?

Nope, that's I-94 between I-57 and I-80.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on March 29, 2017, 09:32:29 AM
i really wouldn't care either way, i refer to the highway by their number exclusively.

I do too, but in Chicago, many people refer to the highways by name.
Except for I-57, which doesn't have one.

I thought that was either the Calumet or Bishop Ford?

It's the West Leg of the Dan Ryan Expressway, officially.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: dvferyance on March 30, 2017, 12:34:16 PM
i really wouldn't care either way, i refer to the highway by their number exclusively.

I do too, but in Chicago, many people refer to the highways by name.
Except for I-57, which doesn't have one.

I thought that was either the Calumet or Bishop Ford?

It's the West Leg of the Dan Ryan Expressway, officially.
Technically yes officially not really. Not many maps mark it as such and I have never heard any Chicago traffic reporters refer to I-57 as the Dan Ryan. Usually when everyone thinks of the Dan Ryan it's I-94 between downtown and I-57.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on March 30, 2017, 02:36:46 PM
i really wouldn't care either way, i refer to the highway by their number exclusively.

I do too, but in Chicago, many people refer to the highways by name.
Except for I-57, which doesn't have one.

I thought that was either the Calumet or Bishop Ford?

It's the West Leg of the Dan Ryan Expressway, officially.
Technically yes officially not really. Not many maps mark it as such and I have never heard any Chicago traffic reporters refer to I-57 as the Dan Ryan. Usually when everyone thinks of the Dan Ryan it's I-94 between downtown and I-57.
Much like how I-80/94 is the Kingery Expy in Illinois and I-80 west of I-294 is the Moline Expy. It's a very loose name that no one uses.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on March 30, 2017, 04:11:09 PM
Much like how I-80/94 is the Kingery Expy in Illinois and I-80 west of I-294 is the Moline Expy. It's a very loose name that no one uses.

Another one I've never heard of.  Hmmm
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on March 30, 2017, 04:18:47 PM
i really wouldn't care either way, i refer to the highway by their number exclusively.

I do too, but in Chicago, many people refer to the highways by name.
Except for I-57, which doesn't have one.

I thought that was either the Calumet or Bishop Ford?

It's the West Leg of the Dan Ryan Expressway, officially.
Technically yes officially not really. Not many maps mark it as such and I have never heard any Chicago traffic reporters refer to I-57 as the Dan Ryan. Usually when everyone thinks of the Dan Ryan it's I-94 between downtown and I-57.
Much like how I-80/94 is the Kingery Expy in Illinois and I-80 west of I-294 is the Moline Expy. It's a very loose name that no one uses.

The Kingery Expressway is such a pointless name.  It's only 2 miles or so and there's already a Kingery Highway in Chicagoland.  I don't understand why that 2 mile stretch can't be a continuation of the Borman Expressway.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on March 30, 2017, 04:33:54 PM
i really wouldn't care either way, i refer to the highway by their number exclusively.

I do too, but in Chicago, many people refer to the highways by name.
Except for I-57, which doesn't have one.

I thought that was either the Calumet or Bishop Ford?

It's the West Leg of the Dan Ryan Expressway, officially.
Technically yes officially not really. Not many maps mark it as such and I have never heard any Chicago traffic reporters refer to I-57 as the Dan Ryan. Usually when everyone thinks of the Dan Ryan it's I-94 between downtown and I-57.
Much like how I-80/94 is the Kingery Expy in Illinois and I-80 west of I-294 is the Moline Expy. It's a very loose name that no one uses.

The Kingery Expressway is such a pointless name.  It's only 2 miles or so and there's already a Kingery Highway in Chicagoland.  I don't understand why that 2 mile stretch can't be a continuation of the Borman Expressway.

Because Frank Borman was from Gary, and Robert Kingery was instrumental in getting the expressways built (as part of Cook County government).
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on March 30, 2017, 04:46:17 PM
i really wouldn't care either way, i refer to the highway by their number exclusively.

I do too, but in Chicago, many people refer to the highways by name.
Except for I-57, which doesn't have one.

I thought that was either the Calumet or Bishop Ford?

It's the West Leg of the Dan Ryan Expressway, officially.
Technically yes officially not really. Not many maps mark it as such and I have never heard any Chicago traffic reporters refer to I-57 as the Dan Ryan. Usually when everyone thinks of the Dan Ryan it's I-94 between downtown and I-57.
Much like how I-80/94 is the Kingery Expy in Illinois and I-80 west of I-294 is the Moline Expy. It's a very loose name that no one uses.

The Kingery Expressway is such a pointless name.  It's only 2 miles or so and there's already a Kingery Highway in Chicagoland.  I don't understand why that 2 mile stretch can't be a continuation of the Borman Expressway.

Because Frank Borman was from Gary, and Robert Kingery was instrumental in getting the expressways built (as part of Cook County government).

Eisenhower and Kennedy weren't from ILL and we have roads named after them.  I just don't get the point of naming a 2 mile long portion of road after someone.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on March 30, 2017, 05:31:30 PM
Because Frank Borman was from Gary, and Robert Kingery was instrumental in getting the expressways built (as part of Cook County government).

Eisenhower and Kennedy weren't from ILL and we have roads named after them.  I just don't get the point of naming a 2 mile long portion of road after someone.

He was the director of the Illinois Department of Public Works (predecessor to IDOT) (not part of Cook County, as I thought), and died in 1951, a year after the expressway was completed.  The expressway was named for him in 1953.

Interestingly enough, the entire expressway, Kingery & Borman, were originally the Tri-State Highway.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on March 31, 2017, 08:41:31 AM
Because Frank Borman was from Gary, and Robert Kingery was instrumental in getting the expressways built (as part of Cook County government).

Eisenhower and Kennedy weren't from ILL and we have roads named after them.  I just don't get the point of naming a 2 mile long portion of road after someone.

He was the director of the Illinois Department of Public Works (predecessor to IDOT) (not part of Cook County, as I thought), and died in 1951, a year after the expressway was completed.  The expressway was named for him in 1953.

Interestingly enough, the entire expressway, Kingery & Borman, were originally the Tri-State Highway.
Yep I have a Chicago Atlas Book that names that portion as the Tri-State Highway. Also gives I-80 the name Moline Expressway. It is from 2007 made by Rand Mcnally
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on March 31, 2017, 08:51:05 AM

Yep I have a Chicago Atlas Book that names that portion as the Tri-State Highway. Also gives I-80 the name Moline Expressway. It is from 2007 made by Rand Mcnally

I need to see if Rand McNally still makes those.  I had an older version  and loved it.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on March 31, 2017, 08:57:27 AM
Yea I got mine as a kid, I really loved maps. But the last version I can find is one for 2008, so they may have stopped. The 2007 edition did not have the 355 extension which I did not like.  :spin:
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on March 31, 2017, 09:01:21 AM
Yea I got mine as a kid, I really loved maps. But the last version I can find is one for 2008, so they may have stopped. The 2007 edition did not have the 355 extension which I did not like.  :spin:

Dude, I am a map collector from way back.  My first map was a 1957 Vermont road map that my cousin gave me when I was... 10 I think. 

It's been a while since I've gone through and organized my collection.  I need to do that again. I honestly don't know how many I have. It has to be over 1000, as 400+ maps are National Park maps
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on March 31, 2017, 09:02:08 AM
I have a really old Chicagoland atlas from 1990, where 355 was dashed labeled under construction. Really cool book.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: slorydn1 on March 31, 2017, 04:01:03 PM
I have a really old Chicagoland atlas from 1990, where 355 was dashed labeled under construction. Really cool book.

You know what's making me feel really old? The fact that someone would call something from 1990, the year I turned 21 and the last year I lived in Chicagoland, really old, LOL.



Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on March 31, 2017, 04:14:22 PM
I have a really old Chicagoland atlas from 1990, where 355 was dashed labeled under construction. Really cool book.

If it's dashed north of I-355, the map was out of date as of December 24, 1989 (opening date of I-355 from I-55 to Army Trail Rd).
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on March 31, 2017, 06:14:03 PM
I have a really old Chicagoland atlas from 1990, where 355 was dashed labeled under construction. Really cool book.

If it's dashed north of I-355, the map was out of date as of December 24, 1989 (opening date of I-355 from I-55 to Army Trail Rd).

Entire corridor of I-355, but the Army Trail to 290 section was labeled as a freeway as it is today
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: cwm1276 on March 31, 2017, 09:10:27 PM
They just replaced the river bridges on 20 just west of 39 the past two years. I wouldn't be surprised if the roadway bridges are next and/or tied with this project
Yeah, but they really should have been rebuilt to handle 3 lanes in each direction.  They are hardly wider than the original ones.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on March 31, 2017, 11:10:04 PM
They just replaced the river bridges on 20 just west of 39 the past two years. I wouldn't be surprised if the roadway bridges are next and/or tied with this project
Yeah, but they really should have been rebuilt to handle 3 lanes in each direction.  They are hardly wider than the original ones.

The US 20 bypass doesn't really need three lanes west of the I-39 interchange. Most of the time, it's fine (with the exception of rush hour sometimes). But the I-39/US 20 multiplex definitely needs reconstruction/widening to three lanes in each direction (and frankly, I-39 should be expanded to three lanes to Baxter Road).

I believe there were plans at one point to reconstruct/expand US 20 to three lanes between IL-2 and I-39, but that has since been abandoned.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: JREwing78 on April 01, 2017, 03:30:18 AM
They just replaced the river bridges on 20 just west of 39 the past two years. I wouldn't be surprised if the roadway bridges are next and/or tied with this project
Yeah, but they really should have been rebuilt to handle 3 lanes in each direction.  They are hardly wider than the original ones.

The US 20 bypass doesn't really need three lanes west of the I-39 interchange. Most of the time, it's fine (with the exception of rush hour sometimes). But the I-39/US 20 multiplex definitely needs reconstruction/widening to three lanes in each direction (and frankly, I-39 should be expanded to three lanes to Baxter Road).

It also needs safer entry/exit for Harrison Ave/US-20 traffic accessing NBD I-39/90 and EBD I-90. Traffic from WBD US-20 scarcely has 500 feet to merge into traffic bound for NBD I-39/90. Ditto for traffic attempting to head EBD on I-90. Separating I-39 traffic's movements from US-20's would help a lot here.

Also helpful: closing off cross traffic from Mill Rd. at US-20, or grade-separating Mill Rd altogether. Cherry Valley access would be inconvenienced, but it's a dangerous intersection for relatively little benefit.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: cwm1276 on April 01, 2017, 08:54:29 AM
I can agree they work currently,  I would think in the next 30-40 years the US 20 Rock River bridges would need to be widen.  Just seems like it would have made sense to build them when they did the reconstruction.

I suspect it is all about the state being cheap Vs planning.

I would disagree with Mill road.  I think lowering the speed limit east of there to 55 should help as well.  Any high speed traffic signal will tend to have higher accidents.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on April 01, 2017, 09:36:24 AM
I can agree they work currently,  I would think in the next 30-40 years the US 20 Rock River bridges would need to be widen.  Just seems like it would have made sense to build them when they did the reconstruction.

I suspect it is all about the state being cheap Vs planning.

I would disagree with Mill road.  I think lowering the speed limit east of there to 55 should help as well.  Any high speed traffic signal will tend to have higher accidents.

Instead of lowering the speed limit (which no one will pay any heed to) a warning beacon of "Prepare to Stop When Flashing" would be better.  Other states (like Iowa) use it.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: slorydn1 on April 01, 2017, 10:13:48 AM
I can agree they work currently,  I would think in the next 30-40 years the US 20 Rock River bridges would need to be widen.  Just seems like it would have made sense to build them when they did the reconstruction.

I suspect it is all about the state being cheap Vs planning.

I would disagree with Mill road.  I think lowering the speed limit east of there to 55 should help as well.  Any high speed traffic signal will tend to have higher accidents.

Instead of lowering the speed limit (which no one will pay any heed to) a warning beacon of "Prepare to Stop When Flashing" would be better.  Other states (like Iowa) use it.

+1 We have those here in NC and they do get your attention.


Here is the one nearest to me:


https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0836464,-77.1532761,3a,53.2y,248.28h,84.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smaQLZLQbzeiTp0puUv3esg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en


They start flashing about 2 seconds before the stoplight goes from green to yellow. At the speed limit (and most are +5 anyway) if you clear these signs and they aren't flashing you'll clear the intersection before the yellow changes to red. If you see the beacon begin to flash before you pass the sign, you won't make it through the intersection before the red so you might as well begin braking now. They do work.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: cwm1276 on April 02, 2017, 08:10:38 PM
I agree with lowered speed limits just at the signals, but in this case they lowered the speed limit of 20 between Cherry Valley and Belvidere to 55 from 65.  If traffic is moving at 55-60 at the intersection, that is much better than 65-70.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: dvferyance on April 02, 2017, 09:10:57 PM
I can agree they work currently,  I would think in the next 30-40 years the US 20 Rock River bridges would need to be widen.  Just seems like it would have made sense to build them when they did the reconstruction.

I suspect it is all about the state being cheap Vs planning.

I would disagree with Mill road.  I think lowering the speed limit east of there to 55 should help as well.  Any high speed traffic signal will tend to have higher accidents.

Instead of lowering the speed limit (which no one will pay any heed to) a warning beacon of "Prepare to Stop When Flashing" would be better.  Other states (like Iowa) use it.
I have seen them in Virginia and Ohio.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on April 02, 2017, 10:47:11 PM
I can agree they work currently,  I would think in the next 30-40 years the US 20 Rock River bridges would need to be widen.  Just seems like it would have made sense to build them when they did the reconstruction.

I suspect it is all about the state being cheap Vs planning.

I would disagree with Mill road.  I think lowering the speed limit east of there to 55 should help as well.  Any high speed traffic signal will tend to have higher accidents.

Instead of lowering the speed limit (which no one will pay any heed to) a warning beacon of "Prepare to Stop When Flashing" would be better.  Other states (like Iowa) use it.

There's a few that have popped up over Illinois recently.  I really like the concept behind these.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: dzlsabe on April 02, 2017, 11:14:36 PM
Ive seen some that start flashing yellow when the light ahead is turning red.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on April 03, 2017, 12:08:55 AM
I agree with lowered speed limits just at the signals, but in this case they lowered the speed limit of 20 between Cherry Valley and Belvidere to 55 from 65.  If traffic is moving at 55-60 at the intersection, that is much better than 65-70.

Again, lowering the speed limit is a very bad idea when it isn't paid heed to anyway.  Other states handle 65 mph at signals, Illinois can too.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SSOWorld on April 03, 2017, 06:16:13 PM
I agree with lowered speed limits just at the signals, but in this case they lowered the speed limit of 20 between Cherry Valley and Belvidere to 55 from 65.  If traffic is moving at 55-60 at the intersection, that is much better than 65-70.
Again, lowering the speed limit is a very bad idea when it isn't paid heed to anyway.  Other states handle 65 mph at signals, Illinois can too.
They certainly want to be like WisDOT (another state that won't have the approach to signals be above 45 - EVER!)

Want to see a blatant abuse of it? Go to Rhinelander and drive around on US 8 - 45 in the middle of nowhere!
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: JREwing78 on April 03, 2017, 11:08:15 PM
Want to see a blatant abuse of it? Go to Rhinelander and drive around on US 8 - 45 in the middle of nowhere!

That town is a horrific speed trap. Even more infuriating is that there are few alternatives to driving through it.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on April 06, 2017, 11:16:52 PM
I like that the "Wisconsin notes" thread has been discussing Illinois, and now the "Illinois notes" thread is discussing Wisconsin.  :-D :pan:

Beloved cheeseheads, we're not so different, you and I...
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on April 07, 2017, 03:36:26 PM
I like that the "Wisconsin notes" thread has been discussing Illinois, and now the "Illinois notes" thread is discussing Wisconsin.  :-D :pan:

Beloved cheeseheads, we're not so different, you and I...


If by "discussing Illinois" you mean "sophomoric trolling by dzlsabe," you are correct.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on April 07, 2017, 10:05:40 PM
I like that the "Wisconsin notes" thread has been discussing Illinois, and now the "Illinois notes" thread is discussing Wisconsin.  :-D :pan:

Beloved cheeseheads, we're not so different, you and I...

Some of us, like me, were born in one and live in the other. And for the record, even though I have lived more than 3/4 of my life in Illinois, I am a Cheesehead at heart.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: cwm1276 on April 08, 2017, 08:51:22 AM
Article in the Rockford paper about 20/39 expansion.
http://www.rrstar.com/news/20170407/cherry-valley-subdivision-residents-concerned-about-i-39us-20-expansion-plan

This would be the subdivision just to the southeast of Harrison and 20/39.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on April 09, 2017, 01:50:59 AM
Article in the Rockford paper about 20/39 expansion.
http://www.rrstar.com/news/20170407/cherry-valley-subdivision-residents-concerned-about-i-39us-20-expansion-plan

This would be the subdivision just to the southeast of Harrison and 20/39.

If residents are complaining about the roadway noise, then a reconstruction project with added lanes will typically include installation of noise walls where appropriate, from what I understand of IDOT's modus operandae.  That ought to make residents WANT the new project.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on April 09, 2017, 10:41:48 AM
Article in the Rockford paper about 20/39 expansion.
http://www.rrstar.com/news/20170407/cherry-valley-subdivision-residents-concerned-about-i-39us-20-expansion-plan

This would be the subdivision just to the southeast of Harrison and 20/39.

If residents are complaining about the roadway noise, then a reconstruction project with added lanes will typically include installation of noise walls where appropriate, from what I understand of IDOT's modus operandae.  That ought to make residents WANT the new project.

Where are the updated plans? The stuff on the IDOT website is 10 years old, it only shows them widening to three lanes. Also, why four lanes in each direction? The tollway portion is only three lanes. That could cause some bottlenecks. 

This project is long overdue, they need to move this towards the top of the priority list and get going already.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: cwm1276 on April 09, 2017, 01:46:43 PM
Article in the Rockford paper about 20/39 expansion.
http://www.rrstar.com/news/20170407/cherry-valley-subdivision-residents-concerned-about-i-39us-20-expansion-plan

This would be the subdivision just to the southeast of Harrison and 20/39.

If residents are complaining about the roadway noise, then a reconstruction project with added lanes will typically include installation of noise walls where appropriate, from what I understand of IDOT's modus operandae.  That ought to make residents WANT the new project.

Where are the updated plans? The stuff on the IDOT website is 10 years old, it only shows them widening to three lanes. Also, why four lanes in each direction? The tollway portion is only three lanes. That could cause some bottlenecks. 

This project is long overdue, they need to move this towards the top of the priority list and get going already.

I assume they are including longer than normal Harrison Ave ramps as 4th lanes, as the 10 year old plans show.  4 lanes in each direction does not make sense, unless including ramps.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on April 09, 2017, 01:48:54 PM
I assume they are including longer than normal Harrison Ave ramps as 4th lanes, as the 10 year old plans show.  4 lanes in each direction does not make sense, unless including ramps.

You have a good point; I agree with you.  Maybe a fourth lane would be warranted as an "exit only" lane for a short while?  But other than that, I also have to ask, why the hell do we need four?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on April 09, 2017, 09:16:02 PM
I assume they are including longer than normal Harrison Ave ramps as 4th lanes, as the 10 year old plans show.  4 lanes in each direction does not make sense, unless including ramps.

You have a good point; I agree with you.  Maybe a fourth lane would be warranted as an "exit only" lane for a short while?  But other than that, I also have to ask, why the hell do we need four?

If they are going to make I-39 four lanes each way there, they better make sure I-80 through Joliet and towards Minooka is at least three as well! Also, make the Ike, Kennedy, and Stevenson in Chicago eight lanes the whole way through! Part of this lack of coordination would likely be alleviated if the different districts worked together better, but I'd like to know how IDOT is planning to do this "above and beyond" if they can't even afford to fix other equally pressing needs to at least the minimum of what they need to do across other parts of the state.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on April 21, 2017, 09:10:05 AM
Scrape and pave on I-55 from Weber road north (not sure to where right now.)

Yeah, that'll fix the problems.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on April 22, 2017, 09:41:13 AM
might as well go from Weber all the way up to LaGrange Road because that entire stretch is all asphalt and 3 lanes.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on April 22, 2017, 11:03:53 AM
Hell, from the Des Plaines river in Channahon all the way to the city.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on April 22, 2017, 11:52:46 AM
If they are going to make I-39 four lanes each way there, they better make sure I-80 through Joliet and towards Minooka is at least three as well! Also, make the Ike, Kennedy, and Stevenson in Chicago eight lanes the whole way through! Part of this lack of coordination would likely be alleviated if the different districts worked together better, but I'd like to know how IDOT is planning to do this "above and beyond" if they can't even afford to fix other equally pressing needs to at least the minimum of what they need to do across other parts of the state.

Assuming this project is only going to be for I-39 between I-90 and the western US 20 interchange, Google indicates this as a distance of around three miles - much longer than many of the other stretches of interstates that need widening being mentioned.

Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on April 24, 2017, 08:55:04 AM


If they are going to make I-39 four lanes each way there, they better make sure I-80 through Joliet and towards Minooka

Plans are already drawn up...

http://i-80will.com/

EDIT: Link seems not to be working...

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/projects/i80-ridge-rd-to-us30
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on April 24, 2017, 10:05:06 PM


If they are going to make I-39 four lanes each way there, they better make sure I-80 through Joliet and towards Minooka

Plans are already drawn up...

http://i-80will.com/

EDIT: Link seems not to be working...

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/projects/i80-ridge-rd-to-us30

I did see this site previously. This is sorely needed, and why this wasn't done years ago is beyond me. Basically, I just don't get how Illinois has a habit of purposefully neglecting some highways while making sure others get more than their share of attention. For example, I-55 in Bloomington-Normal vs. Springfield.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on April 24, 2017, 10:14:56 PM


If they are going to make I-39 four lanes each way there, they better make sure I-80 through Joliet and towards Minooka

Plans are already drawn up...

http://i-80will.com/

EDIT: Link seems not to be working...

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/projects/i80-ridge-rd-to-us30

I did see this site previously. This is sorely needed, and why this wasn't done years ago is beyond me. Basically, I just don't get how Illinois has a habit of purposefully neglecting some highways while making sure others get more than their share of attention. For example, I-55 in Bloomington-Normal vs. Springfield.

I guess a triplex is given higher precedence than a duplex  :-D :-D regardless of their AADT.

(55+74+51 > 55+72)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on April 24, 2017, 10:55:39 PM


If they are going to make I-39 four lanes each way there, they better make sure I-80 through Joliet and towards Minooka

Plans are already drawn up...

http://i-80will.com/

EDIT: Link seems not to be working...

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/projects/i80-ridge-rd-to-us30

I did see this site previously. This is sorely needed, and why this wasn't done years ago is beyond me. Basically, I just don't get how Illinois has a habit of purposefully neglecting some highways while making sure others get more than their share of attention. For example, I-55 in Bloomington-Normal vs. Springfield.

Because the bureaucrats in Springfield have no reason to drive around Springfield.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on April 24, 2017, 10:59:16 PM
Widening the Des Plaines River Bridge on I-80 is going to be the biggest cost IMO. That's probably why it has not been addressed. But it should be addressed really soon. Last week when I was on the bridge I noticed a lot of open rebar exposure.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on May 18, 2017, 09:05:50 AM
Apparently Plainfield IL has done some of it's own studies for fixing the I-55 / IL 126 interchange.

Oh, and the estimate for construction of the project has gone up over $1 million since the studies were first enacted in 2009.

http://www.theherald-news.com/2017/05/17/plainfield-adds-on-to-interstate-55-engineering-study/an87133/

Also, has the construction of the I-55 / Weber road Diverging Diamond started in earnest? I'm noticing a lot of utility surveying flags around the Weber / Normantown Rd. interesction.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on May 18, 2017, 12:24:36 PM
Apparently Plainfield IL has done some of it's own studies for fixing the I-55 / IL 126 interchange.

Oh, and the estimate for construction of the project has gone up over $1 million since the studies were first enacted in 2009.

http://www.theherald-news.com/2017/05/17/plainfield-adds-on-to-interstate-55-engineering-study/an87133/


In reading the article, it appears that Plainfield (along with Bolingbrook and Romeoville) is contributing money to the IDOT study by intergovernmental agreement, rather than them doing something on the side of the IDOT study, and this is the best way to do it. In my past experience, almost every time a village tries to do a study on an IDOT facility without IDOT being the lead, they wind up running out of money or coming up with something so incomplete that it is unusable for further work.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on May 18, 2017, 01:52:51 PM
Apparently Plainfield IL has done some of it's own studies for fixing the I-55 / IL 126 interchange.

Oh, and the estimate for construction of the project has gone up over $1 million since the studies were first enacted in 2009.

http://www.theherald-news.com/2017/05/17/plainfield-adds-on-to-interstate-55-engineering-study/an87133/


In reading the article, it appears that Plainfield (along with Bolingbrook and Romeoville) is contributing money to the IDOT study by intergovernmental agreement, rather than them doing something on the side of the IDOT study, and this is the best way to do it. In my past experience, almost every time a village tries to do a study on an IDOT facility without IDOT being the lead, they wind up running out of money or coming up with something so incomplete that it is unusable for further work.

Plainfield keeps trying to make the full interchange at 126.  Romeoville, historically, has been adamant that the full interchange be at Airport (Lockport) Road.

I'm also glad of this:

Quote
Trustee Ed O’Rourke was concerned whether the village actually has a “seat at the table,” because Romeoville and Bolingbrook have taken the lead on the study and forwarded the proposed intergovernmental agreement to Plainfield.

That means things will get done right.  Plainfield couldn't plan its way out of a paper bag when it comes to traffic.  They were told years ago, by IDOT and by the County that a bypass of downtown using Renwick Road would be a good idea.  Insular Plainfield decided to balk.  Now downtown Plainfield is a traffic clusterfuck.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on May 18, 2017, 02:10:19 PM
Apparently Plainfield IL has done some of it's own studies for fixing the I-55 / IL 126 interchange.

Oh, and the estimate for construction of the project has gone up over $1 million since the studies were first enacted in 2009.

http://www.theherald-news.com/2017/05/17/plainfield-adds-on-to-interstate-55-engineering-study/an87133/


In reading the article, it appears that Plainfield (along with Bolingbrook and Romeoville) is contributing money to the IDOT study by intergovernmental agreement, rather than them doing something on the side of the IDOT study, and this is the best way to do it. In my past experience, almost every time a village tries to do a study on an IDOT facility without IDOT being the lead, they wind up running out of money or coming up with something so incomplete that it is unusable for further work.

Plainfield keeps trying to make the full interchange at 126.  Romeoville, historically, has been adamant that the full interchange be at Airport (Lockport) Road.

I'm also glad of this:

Quote
Trustee Ed O’Rourke was concerned whether the village actually has a “seat at the table,” because Romeoville and Bolingbrook have taken the lead on the study and forwarded the proposed intergovernmental agreement to Plainfield.

That means things will get done right.  Plainfield couldn't plan its way out of a paper bag when it comes to traffic.  They were told years ago, by IDOT and by the County that a bypass of downtown using Renwick Road would be a good idea.  Insular Plainfield decided to balk.  Now downtown Plainfield is a traffic clusterfuck.

I grew up in the Plainfield area, and attended Plainfield High School.  For the longest time, Plainfield was extremely resistant to any change - I recall them trying over and over again to keep fast food chains out of the village. In essence, they were the southern suburban equivalent of Long Grove, and boy are they paying for it now.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on May 18, 2017, 02:14:15 PM
I grew up in the Plainfield area, and attended Plainfield High School.  For the longest time, Plainfield was extremely resistant to any change - I recall them trying over and over again to keep fast food chains out of the village. In essence, they were the southern suburban equivalent of Long Grove, and boy are they paying for it now.

Years ago, back in the very early 1980s, the truck stop at I-55 and US-30 (now closed) approached Plainfield first about annexation and having Plainfield supply water and sewer to the location.  Plainfield told them no.  Joliet, on the other hand, extended both water and sewer lines under I-55 to reach the truck stop and annexed the property.  Plainfield's attitude is also why the entire Caton Farm Road corridor is in Joliet.  The developers wanted water and sewer, and Joliet provided.

Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods should take note of the Plainfield example.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on May 18, 2017, 05:59:44 PM
I grew up in the Plainfield area, and attended Plainfield High School.  For the longest time, Plainfield was extremely resistant to any change - I recall them trying over and over again to keep fast food chains out of the village. In essence, they were the southern suburban equivalent of Long Grove, and boy are they paying for it now.

Years ago, back in the very early 1980s, the truck stop at I-55 and US-30 (now closed) approached Plainfield first about annexation and having Plainfield supply water and sewer to the location.  Plainfield told them no.  Joliet, on the other hand, extended both water and sewer lines under I-55 to reach the truck stop and annexed the property.  Plainfield's attitude is also why the entire Caton Farm Road corridor is in Joliet.  The developers wanted water and sewer, and Joliet provided.

Long Grove and Hawthorn Woods should take note of the Plainfield example.

Totally agree with this. Actually, if you go into Long Grove, you see where a lot of stores closed or moved out because of this line of thinking. It's probably why Buffalo Grove has been able to expand as much as it has. Look also at Deer Park and Kildeer. Again, Long Grove could have had that area, but they resisted. They did seem to wise up a bit with the area at IL 83 and Aptakistic Road, but they missed on many other opportunities. Look at the mess around there with the roads now!
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: csw on May 19, 2017, 09:56:08 PM
I'm living in Mt. Carmel, IL, for the summer, but probably won't have time for more than weekend road trips. Any suggestions on where to go and what to see within a reasonable radius? I'm already planning on heading to Shawnee National Forest several times.

I'm also going to head down around Carbondale or Mt. Vernon in August for the solar eclipse, although that will be a separate thing because I will be back at school by then.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on May 20, 2017, 12:32:34 PM
I'm living in Mt. Carmel, IL, for the summer, but probably won't have time for more than weekend road trips. Any suggestions on where to go and what to see within a reasonable radius? I'm already planning on heading to Shawnee National Forest several times.

I'm also going to head down around Carbondale or Mt. Vernon in August for the solar eclipse, although that will be a separate thing because I will be back at school by then.

Absolutely go see Garden of the Gods...it's the best thing down there.  Giant City SP is a couple hours west of you but that's also really cool.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on May 21, 2017, 01:57:01 PM
I'm living in Mt. Carmel, IL, for the summer, but probably won't have time for more than weekend road trips. Any suggestions on where to go and what to see within a reasonable radius? I'm already planning on heading to Shawnee National Forest several times.

I'm also going to head down around Carbondale or Mt. Vernon in August for the solar eclipse, although that will be a separate thing because I will be back at school by then.
I also suggest taking IL 1 and the ferry across the Ohio at Cave in the Rock. It is a prettier drive to get to Land Between the Lakes than I-24.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on May 22, 2017, 08:58:22 AM
I'm living in Mt. Carmel, IL, for the summer, but probably won't have time for more than weekend road trips. Any suggestions on where to go and what to see within a reasonable radius? I'm already planning on heading to Shawnee National Forest several times.

I'm also going to head down around Carbondale or Mt. Vernon in August for the solar eclipse, although that will be a separate thing because I will be back at school by then.

Normally I'd suggest the LaRue - Pine Hills Road, but part of that apparently washed out recently.  Pity, as IMHO, it's the most beautiful road in Southern IL

Check out Skyline Drive between Cobden and Alto Pass, and the drive up Bald Knob is worth it (yes, there's a giant cross at the top, and no you can't go to the top of it, but the views from the hill itself are amazing.)

The Rim Rock trail is awesome, but make sure you go down the stairs at the back of the loop for more awesomeness

Garden of the Gods, as stated above, but don't only do the observation trail, but get on the trails in the wilderness area also.  Still some spectacular views, with fewer people.

Just NE of the town of Simpson, the forest service keeps open a rickety old fire lookout tower that is open to the public. Definitely go up this.

Take the Giant City trail at Giant City State Park

There's certainly a lot more things to do, but these are some of my favorites.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on May 23, 2017, 09:13:40 AM
Here's something that has been bugging me for a long time...

My dad used to tell me that at one time I-55 just north of Braidwood collapsed into an underground mine shaft sometime in the late 60's / early 70's.  He told me about how they kept dumping gravel into the shaft, but never reached the bottom, so they just bridged over the shaft.  Indeed, I remember a detour around that area when I was a wee lad, but in doing a google search, I cannot find any reference to this.

Is this true, or is my dad full of shit?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on May 23, 2017, 05:49:55 PM
Here's something that has been bugging me for a long time...

My dad used to tell me that at one time I-55 just north of Braidwood collapsed into an underground mine shaft sometime in the late 60's / early 70's.  He told me about how they kept dumping gravel into the shaft, but never reached the bottom, so they just bridged over the shaft.  Indeed, I remember a detour around that area when I was a wee lad, but in doing a google search, I cannot find any reference to this.

Is this true, or is my dad full of shit?

I dunno, most of the mines in that area were strip mines, not underground. I travelled I-55 in that area a bunch of times in the early 70s (I was working on the construction of I-55 further south as a teenager) and don't remember a lane closure for that purpose around Braidwood, but it is possible it happened before I frequented the area. I didn't go that way much until 1973 or so.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: captkirk_4 on May 27, 2017, 12:03:00 PM
Watch out at Garden of the Gods, there were rattlesnakes all over the place when I was there.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on May 31, 2017, 07:00:29 PM
New IDOT 2018-2023 program is posted at their website.

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/Transportation-System/Reports/OP&P/HIP/2018-2023/2018-23%20MYP%20Book.pdf
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on May 31, 2017, 09:22:29 PM
New IDOT 2018-2023 program is posted at their website.

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/Transportation-System/Reports/OP&P/HIP/2018-2023/2018-23%20MYP%20Book.pdf

How many of these projects are actually going to get done? It seems there has been a lot of the same projects on here for the last few years and they keep getting pushed back. Things like the I-55/72 widening and the I-57/74 interchange reconstruction need to happen now.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on May 31, 2017, 10:14:00 PM
New IDOT 2018-2023 program is posted at their website.

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/Transportation-System/Reports/OP&P/HIP/2018-2023/2018-23%20MYP%20Book.pdf

How many of these projects are actually going to get done? It seems there has been a lot of the same projects on here for the last few years and they keep getting pushed back. Things like the I-55/72 widening and the I-57/74 interchange reconstruction need to happen now.

As long as we lack a budget (thanks Madigan!), IDOT won't do as much.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on June 01, 2017, 09:10:19 AM
Glad to see that I-55 over  BNSF RR & GRANT CREEK on the list.  There's been horrible backups on 55 from there north to US 6 in the last year because of the condition of that bridge, holes appearing, concrete falling to the tracks below.  This is an emergency project.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on June 01, 2017, 03:15:03 PM
New IDOT 2018-2023 program is posted at their website.

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/Transportation-System/Reports/OP&P/HIP/2018-2023/2018-23%20MYP%20Book.pdf

How many of these projects are actually going to get done? It seems there has been a lot of the same projects on here for the last few years and they keep getting pushed back. Things like the I-55/72 widening and the I-57/74 interchange reconstruction need to happen now.

the tollway can do the Managed Lanes part / switch the roads to full toll.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on June 01, 2017, 04:16:24 PM
I noticed that the traffic circle along IL-58 in Des Plaines is slated for a prompt reconstruction.  Do you think they'll make it a regular at-grade intersection, or will they preserve the traffic circle concept and improve it?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on June 01, 2017, 04:22:44 PM
I noticed that the traffic circle along IL-58 in Des Plaines is slated for a prompt reconstruction.  Do you think they'll make it a regular at-grade intersection, or will they preserve the traffic circle concept and improve it?

They're making it a modern roundabout.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on June 01, 2017, 09:25:51 PM
pre work is going on now.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: adt1982 on June 01, 2017, 10:16:15 PM
Representatives from Jackson, Randolph, Perry, and Monroe Counties want a 4-lane route from Murphysboro to Saint Louis.

http://countyjournal.org/coalition-aiming-to-bring-fourlane-connection-between-the-area-and-st-lou-p1450-177.htm#.WTA5uJxPeM4.facebook
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: mgk920 on June 01, 2017, 11:40:02 PM
Representatives from Jackson, Randolph, Perry, and Monroe Counties want a 4-lane route from Murphysboro to Saint Louis.

http://countyjournal.org/coalition-aiming-to-bring-fourlane-connection-between-the-area-and-st-lou-p1450-177.htm#.WTA5uJxPeM4.facebook

Is this an unbuilt, originally proposed section of I-24?

Mike
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: quickshade on June 01, 2017, 11:55:04 PM
Representatives from Jackson, Randolph, Perry, and Monroe Counties want a 4-lane route from Murphysboro to Saint Louis.

http://countyjournal.org/coalition-aiming-to-bring-fourlane-connection-between-the-area-and-st-lou-p1450-177.htm#.WTA5uJxPeM4.facebook

Is this an unbuilt, originally proposed section of I-24?

Mike

Tell them to get a state budget and increased road funding, then we can talk about IDOT wish lists. Or did they skip the part where the state has an 8 year backlog of projects??
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: mgk920 on June 02, 2017, 10:14:42 AM
Representatives from Jackson, Randolph, Perry, and Monroe Counties want a 4-lane route from Murphysboro to Saint Louis.

http://countyjournal.org/coalition-aiming-to-bring-fourlane-connection-between-the-area-and-st-lou-p1450-177.htm#.WTA5uJxPeM4.facebook

Is this an unbuilt, originally proposed section of I-24?

Mike

Tell them to get a state budget and increased road funding, then we can talk about IDOT wish lists. Or did they skip the part where the state has an 8 year backlog of projects??

Also, a couple of days ago, Moodys and S&P both downgraded the State of Illinois' bond rating to one step above 'junk'.  IIRC, this is the lowest ever for a USA state.

 :wow:

Mike
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on June 02, 2017, 12:41:55 PM
Representatives from Jackson, Randolph, Perry, and Monroe Counties want a 4-lane route from Murphysboro to Saint Louis.

http://countyjournal.org/coalition-aiming-to-bring-fourlane-connection-between-the-area-and-st-lou-p1450-177.htm#.WTA5uJxPeM4.facebook

Is this an unbuilt, originally proposed section of I-24?

Mike

Tell them to get a state budget and increased road funding, then we can talk about IDOT wish lists. Or did they skip the part where the state has an 8 year backlog of projects??

I think 8 years is generous, it's more like 15.......
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on June 02, 2017, 05:41:39 PM
Is this an unbuilt, originally proposed section of I-24?

Mike

While it probably would have gotten designated as part of I-24 had it been built, it seems this corridor was just originally proposed as a supplemental freeway.  See http://www.midwestroads.com/illinois/il%20supp%20fwy.pdf (http://www.midwestroads.com/illinois/il%20supp%20fwy.pdf)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ilpt4u on June 03, 2017, 06:56:20 PM
Representatives from Jackson, Randolph, Perry, and Monroe Counties want a 4-lane route from Murphysboro to Saint Louis.

http://countyjournal.org/coalition-aiming-to-bring-fourlane-connection-between-the-area-and-st-lou-p1450-177.htm#.WTA5uJxPeM4.facebook
Posting from Murphysboro as we speak, this would be beneficial to link the Carbondale/Marion area much better and more directly to STL. IL-127 already serves this purpose, but a 4 lane divided hwy, with a Pinckneyville and Nashville bypass, in addition to Grade Separation for the train route in Pinckneyville, would help. Current IL-127 is mostly 2-lane until you approach Murphysboro, where it grows to 4 Lanes, joins IL-13, and IL-13 is at least 4 lane thru Murphysboro and Carbondale over to Marion  (where it has a Southern IL SPUI with I-57)

Waiting for a long train on IL-127 in Pinckneyville is a major PITA, as there is no good way around it for miles

If you threw in Bypasses of the west side of Marion and of Carbondale, this could be an I-24 extension/completion, if built full freeway. And that would take truck traffic off I-57 between I-24 and I-64

Being picky, and I am a relative new comer to posting @ aaroads, but since this is a Southern IL proposal, is this not a better fit for the "Ohio Valley" board?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on June 03, 2017, 09:09:20 PM
The ramp from southbound I-39 to westbound I-88 is currently closed for what appears to be a complete rebuild from the subgrade and up.  As part of the detour signage there is one black on orange sign with a curly arrow that depicts the detour via three of the loop ramps at that interchange.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: JREwing78 on June 03, 2017, 11:47:19 PM
The ramp from southbound I-39 to westbound I-88 is currently closed for what appears to be a complete rebuild from the subgrade and up.  As part of the detour signage there is one black on orange sign with a curly arrow that depicts the detour via three of the loop ramps at that interchange.
I wonder how often one of those ramps will get closed for a semi that couldn't keep itself on its wheels...
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on June 09, 2017, 09:47:29 AM
The ramp from southbound I-39 to westbound I-88 is currently closed for what appears to be a complete rebuild from the subgrade and up.  As part of the detour signage there is one black on orange sign with a curly arrow that depicts the detour via three of the loop ramps at that interchange.

Been like that for much of the Spring. I think all the ramps will be getting this treatment over time
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on June 09, 2017, 12:54:39 PM
The ramp from southbound I-39 to westbound I-88 is currently closed for what appears to be a complete rebuild from the subgrade and up.  As part of the detour signage there is one black on orange sign with a curly arrow that depicts the detour via three of the loop ramps at that interchange.

Been like that for much of the Spring. I think all the ramps will be getting this treatment over time

I'm not so sure.  They've only removed the portion of the curve into I-88.  The rest of the ramp is has merely been repaved.  I'm guessing that this section has an issue with the base.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on June 09, 2017, 06:00:51 PM
The ramp from southbound I-39 to westbound I-88 is currently closed for what appears to be a complete rebuild from the subgrade and up.  As part of the detour signage there is one black on orange sign with a curly arrow that depicts the detour via three of the loop ramps at that interchange.

Been like that for much of the Spring. I think all the ramps will be getting this treatment over time

I'm not so sure.  They've only removed the portion of the curve into I-88.  The rest of the ramp is has merely been repaved.  I'm guessing that this section has an issue with the base.

They redid I-39 over the past 2 summers, so I just assumed they were doing all the ramps as part of that project
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on June 12, 2017, 07:49:03 AM
New IDOT 2018-2023 program is posted at their website.

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/Transportation-System/Reports/OP&P/HIP/2018-2023/2018-23%20MYP%20Book.pdf

How many of these projects are actually going to get done? It seems there has been a lot of the same projects on here for the last few years and they keep getting pushed back. Things like the I-55/72 widening and the I-57/74 interchange reconstruction need to happen now.

As long as we lack a budget (thanks Madigan!), IDOT won't do as much.
And Brucey being just as stubborn. Let's be real now. They both are acting like bastards.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on June 12, 2017, 07:21:39 PM
New IDOT 2018-2023 program is posted at their website.

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/Transportation-System/Reports/OP&P/HIP/2018-2023/2018-23%20MYP%20Book.pdf

How many of these projects are actually going to get done? It seems there has been a lot of the same projects on here for the last few years and they keep getting pushed back. Things like the I-55/72 widening and the I-57/74 interchange reconstruction need to happen now.

As long as we lack a budget (thanks Madigan!), IDOT won't do as much.
And Brucey being just as stubborn. Let's be real now. They both are acting like bastards.

Well, Brucey is not just rolling over and giving Madigan whatever he wants like every other Governor (from both sides) did before. He is actually trying to implement some fundamental reforms (term limits, redistricting reform, etc) first, but Madigan doesn't want that because he wants to hold on to power forever.

Both parties are responsible for the mess Illinois is in, so it's high time for someone to stand up and try to reform things. Right now, the only person whom I see who is attempting to fix the real issues is Brucey...........
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on June 13, 2017, 10:01:47 AM
Just got done with riding Bike MS : Tour De Farms over the weekend, and something that always perplexed me regarding the DeKalb area is, how come I-88 has an exit at Annie Glidden road, Peace Road, but not route 23? I understand Annie Glidden road, as that's a direct route to Northern Illinois University, but Route 23 is a direct route to downtown DeKalb.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on June 13, 2017, 11:49:33 AM
New IDOT 2018-2023 program is posted at their website.

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/Transportation-System/Reports/OP&P/HIP/2018-2023/2018-23%20MYP%20Book.pdf

How many of these projects are actually going to get done? It seems there has been a lot of the same projects on here for the last few years and they keep getting pushed back. Things like the I-55/72 widening and the I-57/74 interchange reconstruction need to happen now.

As long as we lack a budget (thanks Madigan!), IDOT won't do as much.
And Brucey being just as stubborn. Let's be real now. They both are acting like bastards.

Well, Brucey is not just rolling over and giving Madigan whatever he wants like every other Governor (from both sides) did before. He is actually trying to implement some fundamental reforms (term limits, redistricting reform, etc) first, but Madigan doesn't want that because he wants to hold on to power forever.

Both parties are responsible for the mess Illinois is in, so it's high time for someone to stand up and try to reform things. Right now, the only person whom I see who is attempting to fix the real issues is Brucey...........

During every state election in the foreseeable future, my intent is to vote out every incumbent candidate until we have a state again.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on June 13, 2017, 07:07:49 PM
Just got done with riding Bike MS : Tour De Farms over the weekend, and something that always perplexed me regarding the DeKalb area is, how come I-88 has an exit at Annie Glidden road, Peace Road, but not route 23? I understand Annie Glidden road, as that's a direct route to Northern Illinois University, but Route 23 is a direct route to downtown DeKalb.

When you have Peace and Annie the same distance apart from 23, there really isn't a point. Just use Fairview to access it
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on June 13, 2017, 09:41:28 PM
New IDOT 2018-2023 program is posted at their website.

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/Transportation-System/Reports/OP&P/HIP/2018-2023/2018-23%20MYP%20Book.pdf

How many of these projects are actually going to get done? It seems there has been a lot of the same projects on here for the last few years and they keep getting pushed back. Things like the I-55/72 widening and the I-57/74 interchange reconstruction need to happen now.

As long as we lack a budget (thanks Madigan!), IDOT won't do as much.
And Brucey being just as stubborn. Let's be real now. They both are acting like bastards.

Well, Brucey is not just rolling over and giving Madigan whatever he wants like every other Governor (from both sides) did before. He is actually trying to implement some fundamental reforms (term limits, redistricting reform, etc) first, but Madigan doesn't want that because he wants to hold on to power forever.

Both parties are responsible for the mess Illinois is in, so it's high time for someone to stand up and try to reform things. Right now, the only person whom I see who is attempting to fix the real issues is Brucey...........

During every state election in the foreseeable future, my intent is to vote out every incumbent candidate until we have a state again.

If I still lived in Illinois, I'd do the same. Here in Tennessee, things are the opposite. We actually have a booming economy (well, at least in the Nashville/Middle Tennessee area). It was hard to leave my home state, but things just got too bad to stay.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on June 13, 2017, 09:43:29 PM
Just got done with riding Bike MS : Tour De Farms over the weekend, and something that always perplexed me regarding the DeKalb area is, how come I-88 has an exit at Annie Glidden road, Peace Road, but not route 23? I understand Annie Glidden road, as that's a direct route to Northern Illinois University, but Route 23 is a direct route to downtown DeKalb.

When you have Peace and Annie the same distance apart from 23, there really isn't a point. Just use Fairview to access it

^ This

Additionally, there really isn't any room with the Dekalb Oasis to the east.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on June 14, 2017, 08:46:52 AM
Just got done with riding Bike MS : Tour De Farms over the weekend, and something that always perplexed me regarding the DeKalb area is, how come I-88 has an exit at Annie Glidden road, Peace Road, but not route 23? I understand Annie Glidden road, as that's a direct route to Northern Illinois University, but Route 23 is a direct route to downtown DeKalb.

When you have Peace and Annie the same distance apart from 23, there really isn't a point. Just use Fairview to access it

^ This

Additionally, there really isn't any room with the Dekalb Oasis to the east.

Just seems to me that when they were planning the tollway through there that the route that connects two larger areas, in this case Ottawa and DeKalb, would have taken priority over two roads that end either at or near the tollway.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on June 14, 2017, 05:46:39 PM
^ At least to the north of I-88 Peace Road is the better route for through traffic since it bypasses both downtown DeKalb and downtown Sycamore and is grade separated with the busy Union Pacific main line.

I'm going to wildly speculate that IL 23 did not get an interchange because DeKalb wanted two interchanges instead of one, or there was some plan that did not come to be that had IL 23 being rerouted to use Peace Road.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ilpt4u on June 14, 2017, 07:22:28 PM
If memory serves, Peace Road was originally either only a Half Interchange, and/or it was no Interchange and added later?

Annie Glidden may have been the only DeKalb exit for a time

That said, why does NIU get its own Interstate exit? I guess ISU, UIUC, and UIC have them too...but the IL Interstates only kinda got close to EIU and SIU, while WIU is out there in the Interstate-less haven of West/Central IL (tho it does have the "created" IL/MO-110 CKC Expressway, even if the Macomb bypass isn't in action just yet)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: GeekJedi on June 14, 2017, 07:35:06 PM
If memory serves, Peace Road was originally either only a Half Interchange, and/or it was no Interchange and added later?

Annie Glidden may have been the only DeKalb exit for a time

That said, why does NIU get its own Interstate exit? I guess ISU, UIUC, and UIC have them too...but the IL Interstates only kinda got close to EIU and SIU, while WIU is out there in the Interstate-less haven of West/Central IL (tho it does have the "created" IL/MO-110 KCK Expressway, even if the Macomb bypass isn't in action just yet)

You are correct. I lived in Dekalb in the mid 90's and Peace Rd. was an EB exit and WB entrance only. I believe the full interchange came to be after there was talk about building a mall near Peace and Fairview Roads, if I remember right.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ilpt4u on June 14, 2017, 07:49:59 PM
You are correct. I lived in Dekalb in the mid 90's and Peace Rd. was an EB exit and WB entrance only. I believe the full interchange came to be after there was talk about building a mall near Peace and Fairview Roads, if I remember right.
EB Exit/WB Entrance would be movements facing the DeKalb toll plaza, which used to be in the middle of the Annie Glidden Interchange (it has since moved west, between DeKalb and I-39)

That way, the Tollway didn't have to put toll collection facilities at the exit. But automated coin buckets, and then I-Pass, makes it easier to add toll collection at exits these days
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on June 14, 2017, 08:15:07 PM
If memory serves, Peace Road was originally either only a Half Interchange, and/or it was no Interchange and added later?

Annie Glidden may have been the only DeKalb exit for a time

That said, why does NIU get its own Interstate exit? I guess ISU, UIUC, and UIC have them too...but the IL Interstates only kinda got close to EIU and SIU, while WIU is out there in the Interstate-less haven of West/Central IL (tho it does have the "created" IL/MO-110 KCK Expressway, even if the Macomb bypass isn't in action just yet)

That mall plan ended up turning into a major trucking port. The southeast side of DeKalb is big warehouses and trucking depots for Nestle, 3M, and UPS. The area is called Park 88

You are correct. I lived in Dekalb in the mid 90's and Peace Rd. was an EB exit and WB entrance only. I believe the full interchange came to be after there was talk about building a mall near Peace and Fairview Roads, if I remember right.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on June 14, 2017, 08:43:20 PM
You are correct. I lived in Dekalb in the mid 90's and Peace Rd. was an EB exit and WB entrance only. I believe the full interchange came to be after there was talk about building a mall near Peace and Fairview Roads, if I remember right.

Older aerial imagery of the Peace Road interchange is it as a half diamond with ramps to/from the east, with the loops being added later for access to/from the west.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ilpt4u on June 14, 2017, 08:48:28 PM
Older aerial imagery of the Peace Road interchange is it as a half diamond with ramps to/from the east, with the loops being added later for access to/from the west.
Whoops, I was backwards. Yup, see that on Google Earth now. I wasn't zoomed out far enough to get an old enough image before

So throw my theory about toll booths out the window...I'll just go with ISTHA likes Half Interchanges
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: GeekJedi on June 14, 2017, 09:54:15 PM
You are correct. I lived in Dekalb in the mid 90's and Peace Rd. was an EB exit and WB entrance only. I believe the full interchange came to be after there was talk about building a mall near Peace and Fairview Roads, if I remember right.

That's what I meant - I just described it wrong! :-D

Older aerial imagery of the Peace Road interchange is it as a half diamond with ramps to/from the east, with the loops being added later for access to/from the west.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on June 15, 2017, 10:17:56 AM
Got into an argument at work about who's supposed to pick up animal carcasses off of the Illinois interstates.  I contend IDOT, but a co-worker who never admits to being wrong says it's the IDNR.  Who is responsible?

We got into the discussion because I noted that along the I-80 and  I-55 corridor that I drive every day to work there's at least 5 dead deer along the route that have been there for what seems like a month.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on June 15, 2017, 02:18:38 PM
Got into an argument at work about who's supposed to pick up animal carcasses off of the Illinois interstates.  I contend IDOT, but a co-worker who never admits to being wrong says it's the IDNR.  Who is responsible?

We got into the discussion because I noted that along the I-80 and  I-55 corridor that I drive every day to work there's at least 5 dead deer along the route that have been there for what seems like a month.

Beats me.  Off the freeway, it's usually the county or municipal animal control.  As for on the freeway, I always thought it was IDOT.  Leaving them for a long period of time doesn't surprise me with the lack of mowing that they've done this year.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on June 15, 2017, 02:22:51 PM
Just a demonstration of how bad Chicago drivers really are...

Cook County to stop prosecuting some traffic offenses because it lacks resources, Foxx's office says (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-states-attorney-traffic-offense-prosecution-20170615-story.html)

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Citing a lack of personnel, the Cook County state's attorney's office plans to stop prosecuting certain traffic offenses, a top county official said.

What's unsaid is that the drivers here are so bad, they just can't keep up.  :-D
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on June 15, 2017, 02:26:43 PM
And the laughingstock of the 50 states continues its spiral into oblivion...

If Illinois lawmakers don't pass budget, IDOT may stop all roadwork (http://abc7chicago.com/politics/no-illinois-budget-could-mean-no-roadwork-idot-says/2102138/)

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If the crumbling roads across Illinois frustrate drivers now, just imagine what it would be like if the Illinois Department of Transportation stopped all its roadwork projects.

For the first time, IDOT said it could be a reality, if there isn't a new state budget very soon.

IDOT released a statement Wednesday, which said officials hope they don't have to take drastic measures. But IDOT will lose its ability to pay contractors starting July 1.

Quote
Read the full statement below:

"Due to the General Assembly's refusal to pass a balanced budget, the Illinois Department of Transportation loses its ability to pay contractors starting July 1. While we are hopeful the situation is resolved before then, the department is notifying contractors that all construction work is to shut down on June 30. Contractors will be advised to secure work zones to ensure their safety during any potential shutdown. As always, the safety of the traveling public will be the top priority as the department works through this process."
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on June 15, 2017, 06:35:43 PM
Just a demonstration of how bad Chicago drivers really are...

Cook County to stop prosecuting some traffic offenses because it lacks resources, Foxx's office says (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-states-attorney-traffic-offense-prosecution-20170615-story.html)

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Citing a lack of personnel, the Cook County state's attorney's office plans to stop prosecuting certain traffic offenses, a top county official said.

What's unsaid is that the drivers here are so bad, they just can't keep up.  :-D
they should raise the bar for speeding. Say interstates 20-30 over to get a ticket / 5-10 local roads and 10-15 other main roads.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on June 15, 2017, 07:28:41 PM
And the laughingstock of the 50 states continues its spiral into oblivion...

If Illinois lawmakers don't pass budget, IDOT may stop all roadwork (http://abc7chicago.com/politics/no-illinois-budget-could-mean-no-roadwork-idot-says/2102138/)

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If the crumbling roads across Illinois frustrate drivers now, just imagine what it would be like if the Illinois Department of Transportation stopped all its roadwork projects.

For the first time, IDOT said it could be a reality, if there isn't a new state budget very soon.

IDOT released a statement Wednesday, which said officials hope they don't have to take drastic measures. But IDOT will lose its ability to pay contractors starting July 1.

Quote
Read the full statement below:

"Due to the General Assembly's refusal to pass a balanced budget, the Illinois Department of Transportation loses its ability to pay contractors starting July 1. While we are hopeful the situation is resolved before then, the department is notifying contractors that all construction work is to shut down on June 30. Contractors will be advised to secure work zones to ensure their safety during any potential shutdown. As always, the safety of the traveling public will be the top priority as the department works through this process."

I'd suggest you leave before things get too out of hand. It's hard, but there are greener pastures elsewhere.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on June 15, 2017, 07:41:59 PM
And the laughingstock of the 50 states continues its spiral into oblivion...

If Illinois lawmakers don't pass budget, IDOT may stop all roadwork (http://abc7chicago.com/politics/no-illinois-budget-could-mean-no-roadwork-idot-says/2102138/)

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If the crumbling roads across Illinois frustrate drivers now, just imagine what it would be like if the Illinois Department of Transportation stopped all its roadwork projects.

For the first time, IDOT said it could be a reality, if there isn't a new state budget very soon.

IDOT released a statement Wednesday, which said officials hope they don't have to take drastic measures. But IDOT will lose its ability to pay contractors starting July 1.

Quote
Read the full statement below:

"Due to the General Assembly's refusal to pass a balanced budget, the Illinois Department of Transportation loses its ability to pay contractors starting July 1. While we are hopeful the situation is resolved before then, the department is notifying contractors that all construction work is to shut down on June 30. Contractors will be advised to secure work zones to ensure their safety during any potential shutdown. As always, the safety of the traveling public will be the top priority as the department works through this process."

 :wow: :wow: :wow: :-o :-o :-o
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: quickshade on June 16, 2017, 11:34:05 AM
Seems like both sides are playing chicken right now. Rauner having a special session and Cullerton saying no stop gap budget and that it's a waste of time because the senate did its job. So comes down to Madigan having to do his job. Next 2 weeks will be interesting.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: adt1982 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:57 PM
Got into an argument at work about who's supposed to pick up animal carcasses off of the Illinois interstates.  I contend IDOT, but a co-worker who never admits to being wrong says it's the IDNR.  Who is responsible?

We got into the discussion because I noted that along the I-80 and  I-55 corridor that I drive every day to work there's at least 5 dead deer along the route that have been there for what seems like a month.

I've always seen IDOT pick them up.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Lyon Wonder on June 18, 2017, 07:35:43 PM
A new US 67 bridge across the Illinois River at Beardstown could only be 2 lanes instead of the originally planned 4 lanes.

"The U.S. 67 bridge replacement was initially going to be a four-lane project after a 1995 study identified U.S. 67 as a route that would benefit businesses by being a four-lane expressway. However, initial costs to replace the bridge hovered in the $170 million range, according to IDOT reports, making the bridge project less feasible as time went on."

http://www.myjournalcourier.com/news/110756/us-67-bridge-project-draws-closer-to-a-reality (http://www.myjournalcourier.com/news/110756/us-67-bridge-project-draws-closer-to-a-reality)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on June 18, 2017, 08:39:50 PM
A new US 67 bridge across the Illinois River at Beardstown could only be 2 lanes instead of the originally planned 4 lanes.

"The U.S. 67 bridge replacement was initially going to be a four-lane project after a 1995 study identified U.S. 67 as a route that would benefit businesses by being a four-lane expressway. However, initial costs to replace the bridge hovered in the $170 million range, according to IDOT reports, making the bridge project less feasible as time went on."

http://www.myjournalcourier.com/news/110756/us-67-bridge-project-draws-closer-to-a-reality (http://www.myjournalcourier.com/news/110756/us-67-bridge-project-draws-closer-to-a-reality)

Honestly, with the state budget crisis, it's a miracle they are even moving forward with the replacement. It's critical that the bridge is replaced now, they can worry about four laning it later. I don't even think traffic really warrants four lanes right now, it's not like that area is booming or anything.

Of course, if they hadn't wasted tons of $$$ on the Illinois 336 corridor, they just might have been able to four lane US 67 between Jacksonville and Macomb by now.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: captkirk_4 on June 20, 2017, 09:19:06 AM
Of course, if they hadn't wasted tons of $$$ on the Illinois 336 corridor, they just might have been able to four lane US 67 between Jacksonville and Macomb by now.

I drove that 336 a few years back after going to Silom Springs State Park out there and I really don't see the point of that highway. It doesn't follow a straight line but keeps jogging at 90 degree angles so it doesn't really save any mileage or time. And any US 36 KC bound traffic is going to take the shorter, faster I-55 I-72 over to Hannibal instead of the expensive East West Tollway through Galesburg, etc on non limited access portions that are longer and slower. There is a small issue with the lack of four lanes to McComb and Western Illinois University where my brother went and wow was that ever a torturous drive going there. But then again that school is really in the minor league of the state college system and not very populous. The money may have been better spent making I-55 6 lanes through Central Illinois the way the Springfield to Lincoln stretch already is. Or giving Peoria a shortcut to Chicago by four laneing the modest US 24 stretch from Peoria to Chenoa at I-55 similar to the Decatur to Bloomington 4 lane stretch.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on June 20, 2017, 09:25:58 AM

Of course, if they hadn't wasted tons of $$$ on the Illinois 336 corridor, they just might have been able to four lane US 67 between Jacksonville and Macomb by now.

Forgottonia wouldn't stop complaining about the lack of state funds used in the area.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: silverback1065 on June 20, 2017, 02:11:55 PM
IDOT may have to halt everything come July 1st, do you all think with will happen?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on June 20, 2017, 02:17:22 PM
IDOT may have to halt everything come July 1st, do you all think with will happen?

nope. budget will probably be signed before then, albeit with some hootering and some hollering from both sides.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on June 20, 2017, 06:44:38 PM
IDOT may have to halt everything come July 1st, do you all think with will happen?

Yes, I do.  Even though the governor has been willing to strike a deal, the speaker has been, for lack of a better word, a dick about it.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on June 20, 2017, 07:00:18 PM
Of course, if they hadn't wasted tons of $$$ on the Illinois 336 corridor, they just might have been able to four lane US 67 between Jacksonville and Macomb by now.

I drove that 336 a few years back after going to Silom Springs State Park out there and I really don't see the point of that highway. It doesn't follow a straight line but keeps jogging at 90 degree angles so it doesn't really save any mileage or time. And any US 36 KC bound traffic is going to take the shorter, faster I-55 I-72 over to Hannibal instead of the expensive East West Tollway through Galesburg, etc on non limited access portions that are longer and slower. There is a small issue with the lack of four lanes to McComb and Western Illinois University where my brother went and wow was that ever a torturous drive going there. But then again that school is really in the minor league of the state college system and not very populous. The money may have been better spent making I-55 6 lanes through Central Illinois the way the Springfield to Lincoln stretch already is. Or giving Peoria a shortcut to Chicago by four laneing the modest US 24 stretch from Peoria to Chenoa at I-55 similar to the Decatur to Bloomington 4 lane stretch.

Illinois 336 should not have been built at all. There is no traffic need for it and it is one of the biggest money waster highway projects in Illinois history. Heck, it would make Wisconsin proud! The only highway improvement needed at all in "Forgottonia" was to build a four lane expressway along US 67 between Monmouth and IL-255 in Godfrey (and even then, some sections do not even seem like they warrant four lanes right now). One could even make an argument that I-72 doesn't even need to be a freeway west of Springfield (instead, they could have just made US 36 an expressway).
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on June 21, 2017, 08:48:08 AM
IDOT may have to halt everything come July 1st, do you all think with will happen?

nope. budget will probably be signed before then, albeit with some hootering and some hollering from both sides.

It looks like the governor is going to sign the latest budget.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on June 21, 2017, 08:50:12 AM
. One could even make an argument that I-72 doesn't even need to be a freeway west of Springfield (instead, they could have just made US 36 an expressway).

If Missouri would make a continuation of I-72 to KC, it might get a lot busier, but I don't see MoDOT ever doing that, let alone continuing the corridor straight across .
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: silverback1065 on June 21, 2017, 02:21:57 PM
missouri sounds like the most broke DOT, is there a state that's more broke?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on June 21, 2017, 03:15:06 PM
missouri sounds like the most broke DOT, is there a state that's more broke?
illinois
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rothman on June 21, 2017, 03:24:07 PM
I'd also wonder about NJ.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on June 21, 2017, 09:07:14 PM
And any US 36 KC bound traffic is going to take the shorter, faster I-55 I-72 over to Hannibal instead of the expensive East West Tollway through Galesburg, etc on non limited access portions that are longer and slower.

There is nothing that says someone cannot shunpike via I-80.  I-55 is also starting to become reliable at having congestion due to the section through Springfield, construction, or backups caused by speed enforcement.

As to IL 336 being a waste, I would like to see the traffic forecasts from the EIS (along with the assumptions for those), plus give it a few more years of traffic growth before jumping to that conclusion.  The counts do indicate it is gaining volume, and may have done so faster were it not for the recession.

. One could even make an argument that I-72 doesn't even need to be a freeway west of Springfield (instead, they could have just made US 36 an expressway).

If Missouri would make a continuation of I-72 to KC, it might get a lot busier, but I don't see MoDOT ever doing that, let alone continuing the corridor straight across .

Based on IDOT's counts, traffic has already started increasing on I-72.  There is certainly the traffic potential with the US 36 expressway across Missouri and the worsening conditions on I-70.  Better that it was built right the first time instead of being built similar to US 51 south of Bloomington and in need of unfunded upgrades.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on June 21, 2017, 09:32:55 PM
And any US 36 KC bound traffic is going to take the shorter, faster I-55 I-72 over to Hannibal instead of the expensive East West Tollway through Galesburg, etc on non limited access portions that are longer and slower.

There is nothing that says someone cannot shunpike via I-80.  I-55 is also starting to become reliable at having congestion due to the section through Springfield, construction, or backups caused by speed enforcement.

As to IL 336 being a waste, I would like to see the traffic forecasts from the EIS (along with the assumptions for those), plus give it a few more years of traffic growth before jumping to that conclusion.  The counts do indicate it is gaining volume, and may have done so faster were it not for the recession.

. One could even make an argument that I-72 doesn't even need to be a freeway west of Springfield (instead, they could have just made US 36 an expressway).

If Missouri would make a continuation of I-72 to KC, it might get a lot busier, but I don't see MoDOT ever doing that, let alone continuing the corridor straight across .

Based on IDOT's counts, traffic has already started increasing on I-72.  There is certainly the traffic potential with the US 36 expressway across Missouri and the worsening conditions on I-70.  Better that it was built right the first time instead of being built similar to US 51 south of Bloomington and in need of unfunded upgrades.

Honestly, if I am going to KC, I go 80 to 35. Less traffic and seems quicker by an hr.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: csw on June 21, 2017, 10:22:32 PM
336 does seem unnecessary to me. I drove a few sections of it last weekend and it was virtually empty. I was surprised to see a divided highway in that location for sure
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on June 21, 2017, 10:44:49 PM
And any US 36 KC bound traffic is going to take the shorter, faster I-55 I-72 over to Hannibal instead of the expensive East West Tollway through Galesburg, etc on non limited access portions that are longer and slower.

There is nothing that says someone cannot shunpike via I-80.  I-55 is also starting to become reliable at having congestion due to the section through Springfield, construction, or backups caused by speed enforcement.

As to IL 336 being a waste, I would like to see the traffic forecasts from the EIS (along with the assumptions for those), plus give it a few more years of traffic growth before jumping to that conclusion.  The counts do indicate it is gaining volume, and may have done so faster were it not for the recession.

. One could even make an argument that I-72 doesn't even need to be a freeway west of Springfield (instead, they could have just made US 36 an expressway).

If Missouri would make a continuation of I-72 to KC, it might get a lot busier, but I don't see MoDOT ever doing that, let alone continuing the corridor straight across .

Based on IDOT's counts, traffic has already started increasing on I-72.  There is certainly the traffic potential with the US 36 expressway across Missouri and the worsening conditions on I-70.  Better that it was built right the first time instead of being built similar to US 51 south of Bloomington and in need of unfunded upgrades.

Can you give us some counts on IL-336? I find it hard to believe traffic is truly increasing. 

Also, I see your point on I-72, but the expressway portion of US 36 in Missouri seems to be working (aside from the traffic light just east of I-35). I don't see the Missouri portion of US 36 being upgraded to Interstate standards anytime.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on June 21, 2017, 10:51:54 PM
And any US 36 KC bound traffic is going to take the shorter, faster I-55 I-72 over to Hannibal instead of the expensive East West Tollway through Galesburg, etc on non limited access portions that are longer and slower.

There is nothing that says someone cannot shunpike via I-80.  I-55 is also starting to become reliable at having congestion due to the section through Springfield, construction, or backups caused by speed enforcement.

As to IL 336 being a waste, I would like to see the traffic forecasts from the EIS (along with the assumptions for those), plus give it a few more years of traffic growth before jumping to that conclusion.  The counts do indicate it is gaining volume, and may have done so faster were it not for the recession.

. One could even make an argument that I-72 doesn't even need to be a freeway west of Springfield (instead, they could have just made US 36 an expressway).

If Missouri would make a continuation of I-72 to KC, it might get a lot busier, but I don't see MoDOT ever doing that, let alone continuing the corridor straight across .

Based on IDOT's counts, traffic has already started increasing on I-72.  There is certainly the traffic potential with the US 36 expressway across Missouri and the worsening conditions on I-70.  Better that it was built right the first time instead of being built similar to US 51 south of Bloomington and in need of unfunded upgrades.

Honestly, if I am going to KC, I go 80 to 35. Less traffic and seems quicker by an hr.

^ This

I did this a few times. Much better than I-70.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on June 22, 2017, 06:16:16 PM
Honestly, if I am going to KC, I go 80 to 35. Less traffic and seems quicker by an hr.

Maybe I'm just good at hitting I-80 on the wrong days (when there is not even a football game in Iowa City), but it is on it's way to becoming as pleasant as I-70 across Missouri.

Quote from: I-39
Can you give us some counts on IL-336? I find it hard to believe traffic is truly increasing.

See https://www.gettingaroundillinois.com/gai.htm?mt=aadt (https://www.gettingaroundillinois.com/gai.htm?mt=aadt) and compare some of the current counts against the historic counts (which requires checking the 'Identify Historic Counts' box and then clicking on the current count numbers.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on June 22, 2017, 07:14:41 PM
Quote from: I-39
Can you give us some counts on IL-336? I find it hard to believe traffic is truly increasing.
See https://www.gettingaroundillinois.com/gai.htm?mt=aadt (https://www.gettingaroundillinois.com/gai.htm?mt=aadt) and compare some of the current counts against the historic counts (which requires checking the 'Identify Historic Counts' box and then clicking on the current count numbers.
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Eh, it's not really increasing dramatically. In fact, in a lot of areas, its fluctuating. Plus, 3000-5000 VPD doesn't really scream the need for four lanes. I'd rather take an all-Interstate route I-55 to I-72/US 36 rather than non-Interstate Illinois 336.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ajlynch91 on June 23, 2017, 10:18:49 AM
The 336 number is also a waste, which doesn't say anything about the traffic counts, but it is completely multiplexed with 110...if IDOT wants to use that number for the CKC, fine, if not then they should just decommission it, because it really makes no sense having 336 completely multiplexed with another number for its entire length.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on June 23, 2017, 02:09:43 PM
The 336 number is also a waste, which doesn't say anything about the traffic counts, but it is completely multiplexed with 110...if IDOT wants to use that number for the CKC, fine, if not then they should just decommission it, because it really makes no sense having 336 completely multiplexed with another number for its entire length.

Actually, IL-336 means something as it used to be a branch off US-36.  It's IL-110 that's a complete and total waste.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ajlynch91 on June 23, 2017, 03:25:41 PM
Except 110 goes on longer in both directions. If you want to decommission that, I have no disagreements since no segment of the road is not multiplexed with another number, but between the two, I would still get rid of 336. That it's a spur of US-36 doesn't really give a whole lot of incentive to keep that number since it really goes nowhere.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: sparker on June 23, 2017, 03:46:58 PM
Except 110 goes on longer in both directions. If you want to decommission that, I have no disagreements since no segment of the road is not multiplexed with another number, but between the two, I would still get rid of 336. That it's a spur of US-36 doesn't really give a whole lot of incentive to keep that number since it really goes nowhere.

Just call it IL 172 as a state expressway extension of the Interstate of the same number.  If an existing route needs to be renumbered, so be it.  Whether to continue that number all the way up to I-74 should be a locally-decided matter (or let IDOT tackle that one).  But 110 is a total waste of time and signing cost/effort; it needs to go! 
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on June 23, 2017, 09:31:37 PM
Per this article flashing yellow arrows are coming to US 150/University Avenue in Champaign-Urbana:  http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2017-06-23/toms-mailbag-june-23-2017.html (http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2017-06-23/toms-mailbag-june-23-2017.html)

Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on June 23, 2017, 10:43:35 PM
The 336 number is also a waste, which doesn't say anything about the traffic counts, but it is completely multiplexed with 110...if IDOT wants to use that number for the CKC, fine, if not then they should just decommission it, because it really makes no sense having 336 completely multiplexed with another number for its entire length.

Actually, IL-336 means something as it used to be a branch off US-36.  It's IL-110 that's a complete and total waste.

Gonna have to go with Brandon on this one.  IL-110 is a completely useless and extraneous designation.  Its purpose is to serve as a route from Chicago to Kansas City, when it's not even nearly the best route between those two destinations. IL-336 at least clearly defines the expressway section connecting Macomb and Quincy.  The number fits the scheme of US Highways, so if there's any hope of having it upgraded to a US highway, the number of 336 is appropriate.  That's a big "if", though.  If it's destined to always be a state highway, they might as well give it a lower number like the rest of Illinois's highways--110 would work for that, actually!
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: silverback1065 on June 23, 2017, 10:46:12 PM
why does there need to be a freeway between kc and chicago at all?  isn't what's already there good enough? 
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: sparker on June 24, 2017, 03:52:40 AM
why does there need to be a freeway between kc and chicago at all?  isn't what's already there good enough? 

The whole CKC/"110" concept was devised by interests in W. Illinois primarily to call attention to their region and direct developmental dollars toward that region.  Part of their strategy was to re-direct Chicago-to-KC traffic -- particularly of the commercial variety -- to the corridor passing through the midst of the area; hence the continuous "110" number between the termini.  IMO the concept is misguided -- although the corridor is now essentially a through 4-lane route thanks to the  Macomb (IL) bypass -- no trucker with a working GPS or the ability to read a map will seriously consider using a grid-pattern right-angled route across western Illinois -- especially one that involves the I-88 toll road -- when there are plenty of more direct and less costly alternatives.  I-80 to I-35 is the most obvious; and if St. Louis avoidance is desired and something a bit more direct than a Des Moines routing is also sought, I-55/I-72/US 36/I-35 works just fine, and is about 25 miles less distance than a "110"-based route.  This is one of those well-meaning (at least in terms of trying to "boost" the standing of one's local region) but misbegotten concepts that begs the question "what were they thinking? (or smoking!?)"   
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on June 24, 2017, 07:51:39 AM
All those concepts (like "Avenue of the Saints") are sold as better routes between two cities but are largely an excuse to build up highways in areas without them.  Really how many people drive between St. Louis and St. Paul, or between Chicago and KC, on a regular basis?  Relatively few. 
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: dvferyance on June 24, 2017, 09:46:10 AM
Except 110 goes on longer in both directions. If you want to decommission that, I have no disagreements since no segment of the road is not multiplexed with another number, but between the two, I would still get rid of 336. That it's a spur of US-36 doesn't really give a whole lot of incentive to keep that number since it really goes nowhere.
IL-110 is duplexed with another highway it's entire route. Nobody cares about it nobody follows it. I am surprised it hasn't been done away with as is.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: GeekJedi on June 24, 2017, 10:42:55 AM
Nobody cares about it nobody follows it.

Apparently these people didn't get the memo about "not caring" (Yes, it's a useless route, and it probably won't move the needle, but they're trying):

""This is wonderful news. This allows us to start advertising the CKC as a national corridor," said Pat Poepping, a Quincy engineer and a member of the summit’s steering committee."

"Thomas A. Oakley, a member of the summit’s Transportation Task Force, said regional efforts first started promoting construction of the CKC in 1957. Illinois highways comprising the route were finished in 2008, and the Missouri portion was completed in 2010. Oakley said the summit is thrilled that the Macomb bypass project has finally started.

With the CKC logo and Route 110 signs on every route marker between downtown Chicago and downtown Kansas City, Oakley said communities along the CKC will be able to promote their location on the CKC."

"Even along Highway 36 there's other sections that overlap top of 36," said Kevin James, the Assistant District Engineer with MoDot. "The adding of Highway 110 and CKC is for a longer section but something to be used as a tool to promote economic development.""

"Dixon Mayor Jim Burke hopes a new route that passes through town will mean a big boost to local tourism across the Sauk Valley."

Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: dvferyance on June 24, 2017, 12:41:15 PM
IL-110 has been around for like 6 years now. Has it done anything to promote tourism? Has anyone benefited from it?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: GeekJedi on June 24, 2017, 02:23:26 PM
IL-110 has been around for like 6 years now. Has it done anything to promote tourism? Has anyone benefited from it?

I don't know, but at this point does it matter? It's paid for, the towns that it runs through are happy about that, and life goes on. I don't think removing the route benefits anyone at this point (and also has a cost attached to it).
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on June 24, 2017, 02:36:52 PM
Does the average person even realize 110 exists? I don't think there really is any benefit to it. Most people want to take Interstates, so they will take I-55/72/US 36 or I-55/70 to get to Kansas City. The whole thing is kind of stupid if you ask me.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: silverback1065 on June 24, 2017, 07:36:46 PM
isn't 110 just stitched together existing routes across illinois? 
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: sparker on June 24, 2017, 11:52:40 PM
isn't 110 just stitched together existing routes across illinois? 

yes.....AND Missouri.  Two states with unnecessary signage costs.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: silverback1065 on June 25, 2017, 03:01:55 PM
the only thing that makes that route interesting is the ckc sign
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ajlynch91 on June 25, 2017, 06:06:13 PM
It is pointless because of the fact that it overlaps roads completely across Illinois and Missouri. Removing 336 would add some legitimacy to the route, but not much. My point in favoring the 110 over 336, as stated before, is that 336 is also relatively pointless, as its only going to be going from Quincy to Peoria, and in the case of two pointless routes, I'd take the longer one with the better connections (Chicago to Kansas City) than two very small cities in the middle of nowhere.

But ultimately, both are pointless routes.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: sparker on June 26, 2017, 12:19:41 PM
It is pointless because of the fact that it overlaps roads completely across Illinois and Missouri. Removing 336 would add some legitimacy to the route, but not much. My point in favoring the 110 over 336, as stated before, is that 336 is also relatively pointless, as its only going to be going from Quincy to Peoria, and in the case of two pointless routes, I'd take the longer one with the better connections (Chicago to Kansas City) than two very small cities in the middle of nowhere.

But ultimately, both are pointless routes.

And, as with most pointless routes/corridors, initiated as a result of localized ego, localized resentment, or a combination of both.  West-central Illinois doesn't get a lot of attention because it doesn't contain sizeable population centers and/or tourist attractions, not because of purposeful ignorance.  It is intrinsically valuable as what it is -- farmland with intervening towns -- but barring some unforeseen set of circumstances, it'll never attract the type of development that characterizes larger cities and suburbs.  Perhaps the CKC will attract a couple of truck stop facilities and a few Hardee's somewhere along its length -- but that's about it!  If the corridor's "cheerleaders" are looking for much more, all that can be said is "be careful what you wish for"!  Attracting "development" to one's area is the proverbial double-edged sword.  Besides, all but the Quincy-Galesburg segment of the CKC is along facilities that have been multi-lane for quite some time; commercial enhancements geared toward the "pass-through" trade are likely already there.  One of the aspects of commercial roadside service provisions such as fast-food outlets, convenience stores/gas stations, etc. is that they're expected, for the most part, by both franchise suppliers and franchise holders to do "double-duty" by not only serving traffic on the expressway/freeway facility where they're located -- but also to attract business from local residents -- which is why most of these are located in small (2K-10K) towns along the route rather than at rural interchanges surrounded by largely unpopulated fields.  Unless the CKC/110 can (unexpectedly) siphon extraordinary levels of traffic away from the existing main routes between its named end points, the chances are that the roadside facilities that are already existing along US 34 and US 67 from Monmouth to Macomb are more than sufficient to handle what through traffic it will get.  And the (relatively) "new-terrain" section from Macomb to Quincy:  except for the largely-bypassed Carthage, there's not much opportunity for road-service development there due to the lack of potential for local usage; 110/336 will remain a set of lanes through the fields with occasional undeveloped interchanges a la the typical upper-Midwest expressway arrangement.  The west-central IL area in question here is too far from any metro employment to serve as exurbs -- so unless the developmental goals include warehousing or distribution centers (unlikely for a state-signed expressway), a few select "pass-through" facilities are likely to constitute the maximum of what can be expected -- which underscores the pointlessness -- and ultimate futility -- of the whole enterprise.       
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on June 26, 2017, 03:32:47 PM
In a nutshell, three laning I-55 through Springfield would do more to facilitate a good route to KC (that bypasses St. Louis) than 110.

Three laning 55 should be the next high priority item on IDOT's list, if money ever presents itself.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on June 26, 2017, 07:18:39 PM
Three laning 55 should be the next high priority item on IDOT's list, if money ever presents itself.

That and rebuilding the I-39/US 20 corridor in Rockford. Those are (arguably) the two biggest bottlenecks outside of the Chicago area. Also, the I-57/74 interchange should be right under those as well.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ilpt4u on June 27, 2017, 12:48:48 AM
I-57 between I-24/Marion and I-64/Mount Vernon needs 6 laned also (partially done). Very heavy truck traffic, with the SW/NE bound traffic from I-57 (Memphis-Chicago, and points beyond) and the SE/NW bound traffic from I-24/I-64 (Atlanta-St Louis, and points beyond).

Two separate commercial truck routes converge on that small section of I-57

Of course, the other way to fix that would be to build I-24 directly to I-255 on the SE corner of the STL Beltway, but thats certainly not happening any time soon, if ever, and would cost just a little bit more...

Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: sparker on June 27, 2017, 01:04:01 AM
I-57 between I-24/Marion and I-64/Mount Vernon needs 6 laned also (partially done). Very heavy truck traffic, with the SW/NE bound traffic from I-57 (Memphis-Chicago, and points beyond) and the SE/NW bound traffic from I-24/I-64 (Atlanta-St Louis, and points beyond).

Two separate commercial truck routes converge on that small section of I-57

Of course, the other way to fix that would be to build I-24 directly to I-255 on the SE corner of the STL Beltway, but thats certainly not happening any time soon, if ever, and would cost just a little bit more...



Actually, six-laning I-57, particularly if the additional lanes are built in the median, would cost much,much less than a new-terrain extension of I-24 into greater St. Louis primarily because of property acquisition cost.  Even six-laning both I-57 from I-24 to I-64 and I-64 west of there all the way to ESL would in all likelihood be less than a 24 extension.   
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ilpt4u on June 27, 2017, 02:17:00 AM
Yes, it would be much more expensive to build I-24 directly to the I-255 Beltway of STL...I was using a bit of *sarcasm* saying that it would be just a bit more to build/extend I-24 to relieve some of the truck traffic on I-57 between Marion and Mount Vernon

IDOT has already 6-laned some portions, and I believe it is in their plans to upgrade the entire I-57 corridor between I-24 and I-64 to 6 lanes, and it, almost certainly, has to be considerably cheaper than building a new terrain Freeway

Once you get to I-64 West to STL/I-57 North to Chicago gore point in Mount Vernon, it really doesn't need it, because each route is back to its normal traffic level -- its just the "Multiplexed" SE<->NW and SW<->NE routes on that section of I-57 that has a very high truck travel volume, due to it serving 2 separate routes, despite only being signed I-57 (duplexing I-24 over I-57 and I-64 to STL doesn't prove a whole lot, so its not done)

I also selfishly want the fantasy I-24 extension, because it would cut my travel time to STL to about 1 hour, instead of 2, but I don't have the millions laying around to build it privately (and if I did, I'd just get a helicopter, anyway)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: dvferyance on June 27, 2017, 02:36:56 PM
Does the average person even realize 110 exists? I don't think there really is any benefit to it. Most people want to take Interstates, so they will take I-55/72/US 36 or I-55/70 to get to Kansas City. The whole thing is kind of stupid if you ask me.
I never really thought Chicago to KC was a very popular connection anyways. It's certainly not like Chicago to NYC or Chicago to LA.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Finrod on June 27, 2017, 03:08:09 PM
Does the average person even realize 110 exists? I don't think there really is any benefit to it. Most people want to take Interstates, so they will take I-55/72/US 36 or I-55/70 to get to Kansas City. The whole thing is kind of stupid if you ask me.
I never really thought Chicago to KC was a very popular connection anyways. It's certainly not like Chicago to NYC or Chicago to LA.

My ex has family in Chicago, Kansas City and Dallas.  When they wanted to save money going to Kansas City, they drove one time, and I believe they went I-55 to I-70.  I-88 was a non-starter because of the toll.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on June 27, 2017, 03:46:31 PM
Does the average person even realize 110 exists? I don't think there really is any benefit to it. Most people want to take Interstates, so they will take I-55/72/US 36 or I-55/70 to get to Kansas City. The whole thing is kind of stupid if you ask me.
I never really thought Chicago to KC was a very popular connection anyways. It's certainly not like Chicago to NYC or Chicago to LA.

My ex has family in Chicago, Kansas City and Dallas.  When they wanted to save money going to Kansas City, they drove one time, and I believe they went I-55 to I-70.  I-88 was a non-starter because of the toll.

From here, I've found I-55 to I-72/US-36 and then down I-35 to be the least stressful of all the routes I've used.  I-70, to put it bluntly, sucks.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on June 27, 2017, 06:11:45 PM
Does the average person even realize 110 exists? I don't think there really is any benefit to it. Most people want to take Interstates, so they will take I-55/72/US 36 or I-55/70 to get to Kansas City. The whole thing is kind of stupid if you ask me.
I never really thought Chicago to KC was a very popular connection anyways. It's certainly not like Chicago to NYC or Chicago to LA.

My ex has family in Chicago, Kansas City and Dallas.  When they wanted to save money going to Kansas City, they drove one time, and I believe they went I-55 to I-70.  I-88 was a non-starter because of the toll.

From here, I've found I-55 to I-72/US-36 and then down I-35 to be the least stressful of all the routes I've used.  I-70, to put it bluntly, sucks.

Even with I-70 being a controlled-access freeway vs. the US 36 expressway with at-grade intersections? How fast can you go on US 36?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on June 27, 2017, 07:05:08 PM
Does the average person even realize 110 exists? I don't think there really is any benefit to it. Most people want to take Interstates, so they will take I-55/72/US 36 or I-55/70 to get to Kansas City. The whole thing is kind of stupid if you ask me.
I never really thought Chicago to KC was a very popular connection anyways. It's certainly not like Chicago to NYC or Chicago to LA.

My ex has family in Chicago, Kansas City and Dallas.  When they wanted to save money going to Kansas City, they drove one time, and I believe they went I-55 to I-70.  I-88 was a non-starter because of the toll.

From here, I've found I-55 to I-72/US-36 and then down I-35 to be the least stressful of all the routes I've used.  I-70, to put it bluntly, sucks.

Even with I-70 being a controlled-access freeway vs. the US 36 expressway with at-grade intersections? How fast can you go on US 36?

The limit is 65, but it's easy to do 70-75 with little trouble.  The only traffic light is at I-35, and the busier roads US-36 crosses have interchanges.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on June 27, 2017, 07:59:55 PM
Does the average person even realize 110 exists? I don't think there really is any benefit to it. Most people want to take Interstates, so they will take I-55/72/US 36 or I-55/70 to get to Kansas City. The whole thing is kind of stupid if you ask me.
I never really thought Chicago to KC was a very popular connection anyways. It's certainly not like Chicago to NYC or Chicago to LA.

My ex has family in Chicago, Kansas City and Dallas.  When they wanted to save money going to Kansas City, they drove one time, and I believe they went I-55 to I-70.  I-88 was a non-starter because of the toll.

From here, I've found I-55 to I-72/US-36 and then down I-35 to be the least stressful of all the routes I've used.  I-70, to put it bluntly, sucks.

Even with I-70 being a controlled-access freeway vs. the US 36 expressway with at-grade intersections? How fast can you go on US 36?

The limit is 65, but it's easy to do 70-75 with little trouble.  The only traffic light is at I-35, and the busier roads US-36 crosses have interchanges.

Interesting. I bet it gets more traffic when I-70 eventually undergoes reconstruction.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on June 30, 2017, 12:16:46 PM
Well, today is it.  We'll see if IDOT can continue to pay contractors to do road work, or if they just stop dead at midnight.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: triplemultiplex on June 30, 2017, 01:38:44 PM
The outcome could affect my own schedule in the coming month.  My employer has an active contract with IDOT so we've had to plan contingencies for their budget impasse.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on July 08, 2017, 08:29:19 PM
Forgottonia wouldn't stop complaining about the lack of state funds used in the area.

The push from the towns along the IL 336 corridor appear to be why IL 336 managed to be one of the supplemental freeway corridors that managed to be mostly built in some form.

And now for a couple tidbits based on the old EIS's for I-155:

* The corridor would have been built sooner had the original EIS survived a court challenge

* One of the reasons the corridor was built as a full freeway was due to the number of trucks expected to use the corridor as a connector between I-74 and I-55.  Also, one of the later EIS's indicates that most of the corridor was going to need to be a freeway (particularly the section near I-74), plus the section for the Mackinaw River Bridge replacement had been built as a freeway, so it was decide to built the whole corridor as a freeway the first time around.



I'm also wondering if the expressway-like sections of US 66 across Illinois had a bad safety record, which lead to a dislike of expressways in Illinois for a bit compared to full freeways.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on July 16, 2017, 11:13:51 AM
Forgottonia wouldn't stop complaining about the lack of state funds used in the area.

The push from the towns along the IL 336 corridor appear to be why IL 336 managed to be one of the supplemental freeway corridors that managed to be mostly built in some form.

And now for a couple tidbits based on the old EIS's for I-155:

* The corridor would have been built sooner had the original EIS survived a court challenge

* One of the reasons the corridor was built as a full freeway was due to the number of trucks expected to use the corridor as a connector between I-74 and I-55.  Also, one of the later EIS's indicates that most of the corridor was going to need to be a freeway (particularly the section near I-74), plus the section for the Mackinaw River Bridge replacement had been built as a freeway, so it was decide to built the whole corridor as a freeway the first time around.



I'm also wondering if the expressway-like sections of US 66 across Illinois had a bad safety record, which lead to a dislike of expressways in Illinois for a bit compared to full freeways.

As a former IDOT technician who worked on the original construction of I-55, the one we always heard about was the traffic signal at US66 and IL-47 at Dwight. First signalized intersection south of Chicago, and lots of stories about bad wrecks and fatalities. My dad (who also worked at IDOT) rebuilt a railroad grade crossing at Chenoa before I-55 was opened and a truck ran the barricade and messed everything up (I think the driver survived).
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Lyon Wonder on July 16, 2017, 09:05:09 PM
Forgottonia wouldn't stop complaining about the lack of state funds used in the area.

The push from the towns along the IL 336 corridor appear to be why IL 336 managed to be one of the supplemental freeway corridors that managed to be mostly built in some form.

And now for a couple tidbits based on the old EIS's for I-155:

* The corridor would have been built sooner had the original EIS survived a court challenge

* One of the reasons the corridor was built as a full freeway was due to the number of trucks expected to use the corridor as a connector between I-74 and I-55.  Also, one of the later EIS's indicates that most of the corridor was going to need to be a freeway (particularly the section near I-74), plus the section for the Mackinaw River Bridge replacement had been built as a freeway, so it was decide to built the whole corridor as a freeway the first time around.



I'm also wondering if the expressway-like sections of US 66 across Illinois had a bad safety record, which lead to a dislike of expressways in Illinois for a bit compared to full freeways.

Then, after completing most of the interstates, IDOT went on to upgrade US 51 from Decatur to Bloomington into a 4 lane divided expressway complete with at-grade intersections with other state highways and an at-grade railroad crossing too. I guess IDOT thought the corridor from Decatur to Bloomington wasn't as important as what became I-39 from Normal to Rockford.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 16, 2017, 09:19:59 PM
Forgottonia wouldn't stop complaining about the lack of state funds used in the area.

The push from the towns along the IL 336 corridor appear to be why IL 336 managed to be one of the supplemental freeway corridors that managed to be mostly built in some form.

And now for a couple tidbits based on the old EIS's for I-155:

* The corridor would have been built sooner had the original EIS survived a court challenge

* One of the reasons the corridor was built as a full freeway was due to the number of trucks expected to use the corridor as a connector between I-74 and I-55.  Also, one of the later EIS's indicates that most of the corridor was going to need to be a freeway (particularly the section near I-74), plus the section for the Mackinaw River Bridge replacement had been built as a freeway, so it was decide to built the whole corridor as a freeway the first time around.



I'm also wondering if the expressway-like sections of US 66 across Illinois had a bad safety record, which lead to a dislike of expressways in Illinois for a bit compared to full freeways.

Then, after completing most of the interstates, IDOT went on to upgrade US 51 from Decatur to Bloomington into a 4 lane divided expressway complete with at-grade intersections with other state highways and an at-grade railroad crossing too. I guess IDOT thought the corridor from Decatur to Bloomington wasn't as important as what became I-39 from Normal to Rockford.


Because it isn't?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on July 18, 2017, 11:29:39 AM
All this talk of "Forgottonia" has gotten me thinking...Is this just an Illinois-specific thing?  Are there regions in other states that have whined equally loudly about the lack of state funds applied to their region?  And then the DOT responded and gave them a useless expressway without any regard for logistics?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on July 18, 2017, 01:45:19 PM
All this talk of "Forgottonia" has gotten me thinking...Is this just an Illinois-specific thing?  Are there regions in other states that have whined equally loudly about the lack of state funds applied to their region?  And then the DOT responded and gave them a useless expressway without any regard for logistics?

See:"Ada, Oklahoma" in the Central States section.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: silverback1065 on July 18, 2017, 02:05:49 PM
All this talk of "Forgottonia" has gotten me thinking...Is this just an Illinois-specific thing?  Are there regions in other states that have whined equally loudly about the lack of state funds applied to their region?  And then the DOT responded and gave them a useless expressway without any regard for logistics?

See:"Ada, Oklahoma" in the Central States section.
:-D that stupid 2 lane toll road. what the hell were they thinking?  also, click on the city when you're on google maps, it has bizarre boarders, those can't be right can they?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: GeekJedi on July 18, 2017, 05:45:29 PM

Of course, if they hadn't wasted tons of $$$ on the Illinois 336 corridor, they just might have been able to four lane US 67 between Jacksonville and Macomb by now.

Forgottonia wouldn't stop complaining about the lack of state funds used in the area.

Speaking of "Forgottonia's", how's the US 20 Galena bypass coming along?  :spin:
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: triplemultiplex on July 18, 2017, 08:45:49 PM
"Forgottonia" = low population area that wants more than its fair share of resources.  Apparently, induced demand is a fallacy in the suburbs, but sound government policy in the sticks.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: rte66man on July 19, 2017, 11:10:15 AM
All this talk of "Forgottonia" has gotten me thinking...Is this just an Illinois-specific thing?  Are there regions in other states that have whined equally loudly about the lack of state funds applied to their region?  And then the DOT responded and gave them a useless expressway without any regard for logistics?

See:"Ada, Oklahoma" in the Central States section.
:-D that stupid 2 lane toll road. what the hell were they thinking?  also, click on the city when you're on google maps, it has bizarre boarders, those can't be right can they?

That true for most of OK.  The rural folks are always whining about OKC and Tulsa getting all the dollars while Tulsa whines about OKC getting all the dollars.

Not that OTA gave the Chickasaw to ODOT, there is no change of it ever:
(1) - getting four laned from Roff to Sulphur, or
(2) - getting extended to I-35 at the Turner Falls exit.
since those were the original goals when the road was first built.  As it is, OK1 is an abomination from Roff to Ada.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: skluth on July 19, 2017, 11:28:30 AM
All this talk of "Forgottonia" has gotten me thinking...Is this just an Illinois-specific thing?  Are there regions in other states that have whined equally loudly about the lack of state funds applied to their region?  And then the DOT responded and gave them a useless expressway without any regard for logistics?

It seems to be pretty common in the Midwest. I grew up in Wisconsin and you hear the same complaints NW of a line from Green Bay to Madison. The Michigan UP and a few of the northern "mitten" counties at one time wanted to separate from the rest of the state and have their own state of Superior, which would be more a welfare state than West Virginia. I live in Missouri now and I hear the same complaints about areas outside of KC and STL, even Springfield which gets plenty of support. Illinois south of I-70 also complains about their state's domination by the Chicago region. I don't know if this is true in other parts of the country, but I can imagine it in Georgia, Oregon, and other states with a dominant economic region.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: silverback1065 on July 19, 2017, 12:21:40 PM
All this talk of "Forgottonia" has gotten me thinking...Is this just an Illinois-specific thing?  Are there regions in other states that have whined equally loudly about the lack of state funds applied to their region?  And then the DOT responded and gave them a useless expressway without any regard for logistics?

It seems to be pretty common in the Midwest. I grew up in Wisconsin and you hear the same complaints NW of a line from Green Bay to Madison. The Michigan UP and a few of the northern "mitten" counties at one time wanted to separate from the rest of the state and have their own state of Superior, which would be more a welfare state than West Virginia. I live in Missouri now and I hear the same complaints about areas outside of KC and STL, even Springfield which gets plenty of support. Illinois south of I-70 also complains about their state's domination by the Chicago region. I don't know if this is true in other parts of the country, but I can imagine it in Georgia, Oregon, and other states with a dominant economic region.

i feel like this is true for every state.  here in indiana, the government pretends NW indiana doesn't exist
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on July 19, 2017, 06:35:54 PM
Forgottonia wouldn't stop complaining about the lack of state funds used in the area.

The push from the towns along the IL 336 corridor appear to be why IL 336 managed to be one of the supplemental freeway corridors that managed to be mostly built in some form.

And now for a couple tidbits based on the old EIS's for I-155:

* The corridor would have been built sooner had the original EIS survived a court challenge

* One of the reasons the corridor was built as a full freeway was due to the number of trucks expected to use the corridor as a connector between I-74 and I-55.  Also, one of the later EIS's indicates that most of the corridor was going to need to be a freeway (particularly the section near I-74), plus the section for the Mackinaw River Bridge replacement had been built as a freeway, so it was decide to built the whole corridor as a freeway the first time around.



I'm also wondering if the expressway-like sections of US 66 across Illinois had a bad safety record, which lead to a dislike of expressways in Illinois for a bit compared to full freeways.

Then, after completing most of the interstates, IDOT went on to upgrade US 51 from Decatur to Bloomington into a 4 lane divided expressway complete with at-grade intersections with other state highways and an at-grade railroad crossing too. I guess IDOT thought the corridor from Decatur to Bloomington wasn't as important as what became I-39 from Normal to Rockford.


Because it isn't?

It would have been if it had been built to interstate standards as it should have been. The Bloomington-Decatur section of US 51 had a higher accident rate than the Ogelsby-Normal section. Had they gone for the freeway, there would have been considerable pressure to continue the freeway south of Decatur (or at least upgradable expressway).
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rothman on July 19, 2017, 10:29:21 PM


Quote from: silverback1065

i feel like this is true for every state.  here in indiana, the government pretends NW indiana doesn't exist

I wouldn't want to admit Gary's existence, either.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on July 20, 2017, 09:00:07 AM
Looking at old state maps, and I noted that there was an alternate US 20 through Chicago called "CITY 20".  Was this ever signed as such, or was it signed as ALT?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on July 20, 2017, 11:43:41 AM
Looking at old state maps, and I noted that there was an alternate US 20 through Chicago called "CITY 20".  Was this ever signed as such, or was it signed as ALT?
http://www.n9jig.com/1-20.html
City US-20 was the old route of US-20 which ran east on Lake Street in Chicago, then south to Indiana along Torrance Av. (among other roads) until 1938. US-20 was rerouted around Chicago, and the old route became City US-20. It became Business US-20 in 1960, and lost the number altogether in 1968.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Lyon Wonder on July 26, 2017, 12:11:48 AM
Illinois 2017 official highway map is now available.

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/Travel-Information/Maps-&-Charts/2017ILMap.pdf
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on July 27, 2017, 08:56:09 AM
The I-55 bridge over the Des Plaines River will have one lane closed each way from 7 am to 2 PM for inspection starting the 14th of August
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on July 31, 2017, 09:39:50 AM
I've had a fictional highway proposal of a western IL 47 bypass of Yorkville.  Part of that would include a bridge over the Fox River betrween Yorkville and Silver Springs State Park.

Well, it looks like a new bridge is going to be built, although not as a IL 47 bypass...

http://www.wspynews.com/news/local/kendall-county-board-approves-eminent-domain-along-eldamain-rd/article_f0ae1e12-064c-11e6-9589-afb41412f38a.html


I hope they build the bridge two lanes, each direction.

EDIT:  Oops.  The bridge is still just proposed....
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on July 31, 2017, 02:26:10 PM
^^ It's much needed.  Otherwise you go all the way over to Plano at Fox River Dr/Ben St.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on July 31, 2017, 02:38:24 PM
I've had a fictional highway proposal of a western IL 47 bypass of Yorkville.  Part of that would include a bridge over the Fox River betrween Yorkville and Silver Springs State Park.

Well, it looks like a new bridge is going to be built, although not as a IL 47 bypass...

http://www.wspynews.com/news/local/kendall-county-board-approves-eminent-domain-along-eldamain-rd/article_f0ae1e12-064c-11e6-9589-afb41412f38a.html


I hope they build the bridge two lanes, each direction.

EDIT:  Oops.  The bridge is still just proposed....

That makes a lot of sense.
It would be nice if the also straighten out Eldamain Rd to meet up with Dugan Rd & Prairie St west of Sugar Grove. This would allow the trucks at the Menards Distribution Center to have a direct access to the IL 56 freeway and I-88 East via Dugan while taking traffic off of IL 47 in Sugar Grove.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on July 31, 2017, 06:31:51 PM
I've had a fictional highway proposal of a western IL 47 bypass of Yorkville.  Part of that would include a bridge over the Fox River betrween Yorkville and Silver Springs State Park.

Well, it looks like a new bridge is going to be built, although not as a IL 47 bypass...

http://www.wspynews.com/news/local/kendall-county-board-approves-eminent-domain-along-eldamain-rd/article_f0ae1e12-064c-11e6-9589-afb41412f38a.html


I hope they build the bridge two lanes, each direction.

EDIT:  Oops.  The bridge is still just proposed....

One of the "arterial" alternatives in the Prairie Parkway study was a corridor from I-80 to I-88 that generally followed Saratoga Road (about 3 miles west of IL 47 in Morris) from I-80 north to where it met Lisbon Road, continuing on High Point Road to cross the Fox River and connect to Eldamain Road. Near Galena Road, it would swing west to connect to Dauberman Road at US 30, and continue north to I-88. Kane County is studying the extension of Dauberman Road south of US 30 and across the BNSF RR to connect to Granart Road, just as Kendall County is studying the Eldamain crossing of the Fox River, but AFAIK there is currently no coordinated planning of an arterial corridor between the three counties involved.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on August 01, 2017, 10:54:00 AM

One of the "arterial" alternatives in the Prairie Parkway study was a corridor from I-80 to I-88 that generally followed Saratoga Road (about 3 miles west of IL 47 in Morris) from I-80 north to where it met Lisbon Road, continuing on High Point Road to cross the Fox River and connect to Eldamain Road. Near Galena Road, it would swing west to connect to Dauberman Road at US 30, and continue north to I-88. Kane County is studying the extension of Dauberman Road south of US 30 and across the BNSF RR to connect to Granart Road, just as Kendall County is studying the Eldamain crossing of the Fox River, but AFAIK there is currently no coordinated planning of an arterial corridor between the three counties involved.

I just saw online Grundy County's plans for Saratoga Road...

https://www.grundyco.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/SaratogaRdCorridorAccessStudyFINALReport.pdf
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on August 01, 2017, 06:01:42 PM

One of the "arterial" alternatives in the Prairie Parkway study was a corridor from I-80 to I-88 that generally followed Saratoga Road (about 3 miles west of IL 47 in Morris) from I-80 north to where it met Lisbon Road, continuing on High Point Road to cross the Fox River and connect to Eldamain Road. Near Galena Road, it would swing west to connect to Dauberman Road at US 30, and continue north to I-88. Kane County is studying the extension of Dauberman Road south of US 30 and across the BNSF RR to connect to Granart Road, just as Kendall County is studying the Eldamain crossing of the Fox River, but AFAIK there is currently no coordinated planning of an arterial corridor between the three counties involved.

I just saw online Grundy County's plans for Saratoga Road...

https://www.grundyco.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/SaratogaRdCorridorAccessStudyFINALReport.pdf

Also, IDOT's FY 2018-23 program has Eldamain Road from US 34 to River Road programmed for construction at $9 million in 2018. This would complete Eldamain all the way from Galena Road down to near the Fox River with recent concrete pavement. I haven't seen the proposed bridge plans for the Fox River crossing, but would guess that Kendall County would do what they did at Orchard Road - build a widened substructure capable of 4 lanes, but only build the bridge deck at 2 lanes to start.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on August 06, 2017, 04:52:11 PM
I've had a fictional highway proposal of a western IL 47 bypass of Yorkville.  Part of that would include a bridge over the Fox River betrween Yorkville and Silver Springs State Park.

Well, it looks like a new bridge is going to be built, although not as a IL 47 bypass...

http://www.wspynews.com/news/local/kendall-county-board-approves-eminent-domain-along-eldamain-rd/article_f0ae1e12-064c-11e6-9589-afb41412f38a.html


I hope they build the bridge two lanes, each direction.

EDIT:  Oops.  The bridge is still just proposed....

One of the "arterial" alternatives in the Prairie Parkway study was a corridor from I-80 to I-88 that generally followed Saratoga Road (about 3 miles west of IL 47 in Morris) from I-80 north to where it met Lisbon Road, continuing on High Point Road to cross the Fox River and connect to Eldamain Road. Near Galena Road, it would swing west to connect to Dauberman Road at US 30, and continue north to I-88. Kane County is studying the extension of Dauberman Road south of US 30 and across the BNSF RR to connect to Granart Road, just as Kendall County is studying the Eldamain crossing of the Fox River, but AFAIK there is currently no coordinated planning of an arterial corridor between the three counties involved.

It was not long ago that the US 30 to Granhart Rd part of Dugan Rd was redone. I wonder why they are not using that.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on August 07, 2017, 10:23:52 AM
I've had a fictional highway proposal of a western IL 47 bypass of Yorkville.  Part of that would include a bridge over the Fox River betrween Yorkville and Silver Springs State Park.

Well, it looks like a new bridge is going to be built, although not as a IL 47 bypass...

http://www.wspynews.com/news/local/kendall-county-board-approves-eminent-domain-along-eldamain-rd/article_f0ae1e12-064c-11e6-9589-afb41412f38a.html


I hope they build the bridge two lanes, each direction.

EDIT:  Oops.  The bridge is still just proposed....

One of the "arterial" alternatives in the Prairie Parkway study was a corridor from I-80 to I-88 that generally followed Saratoga Road (about 3 miles west of IL 47 in Morris) from I-80 north to where it met Lisbon Road, continuing on High Point Road to cross the Fox River and connect to Eldamain Road. Near Galena Road, it would swing west to connect to Dauberman Road at US 30, and continue north to I-88. Kane County is studying the extension of Dauberman Road south of US 30 and across the BNSF RR to connect to Granart Road, just as Kendall County is studying the Eldamain crossing of the Fox River, but AFAIK there is currently no coordinated planning of an arterial corridor between the three counties involved.

It was not long ago that the US 30 to Granhart Rd part of Dugan Rd was redone. I wonder why they are not using that.

Wasn't that mainly to help access into and out of the golf course over there for tournaments, as well as re-distribute the access to the warehouses along Granhart? US 30 was redone from Dugan to Municipal along with that section of Dugan
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: hobsini2 on August 07, 2017, 04:26:15 PM
I've had a fictional highway proposal of a western IL 47 bypass of Yorkville.  Part of that would include a bridge over the Fox River betrween Yorkville and Silver Springs State Park.

Well, it looks like a new bridge is going to be built, although not as a IL 47 bypass...

http://www.wspynews.com/news/local/kendall-county-board-approves-eminent-domain-along-eldamain-rd/article_f0ae1e12-064c-11e6-9589-afb41412f38a.html


I hope they build the bridge two lanes, each direction.

EDIT:  Oops.  The bridge is still just proposed....

One of the "arterial" alternatives in the Prairie Parkway study was a corridor from I-80 to I-88 that generally followed Saratoga Road (about 3 miles west of IL 47 in Morris) from I-80 north to where it met Lisbon Road, continuing on High Point Road to cross the Fox River and connect to Eldamain Road. Near Galena Road, it would swing west to connect to Dauberman Road at US 30, and continue north to I-88. Kane County is studying the extension of Dauberman Road south of US 30 and across the BNSF RR to connect to Granart Road, just as Kendall County is studying the Eldamain crossing of the Fox River, but AFAIK there is currently no coordinated planning of an arterial corridor between the three counties involved.

It was not long ago that the US 30 to Granhart Rd part of Dugan Rd was redone. I wonder why they are not using that.

Wasn't that mainly to help access into and out of the golf course over there for tournaments, as well as re-distribute the access to the warehouses along Granhart? US 30 was redone from Dugan to Municipal along with that section of Dugan

Probably so. US 30 is under reconstruction west of there going toward Big Rock.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on August 08, 2017, 08:34:24 AM
I've had a fictional highway proposal of a western IL 47 bypass of Yorkville.  Part of that would include a bridge over the Fox River betrween Yorkville and Silver Springs State Park.

Well, it looks like a new bridge is going to be built, although not as a IL 47 bypass...

http://www.wspynews.com/news/local/kendall-county-board-approves-eminent-domain-along-eldamain-rd/article_f0ae1e12-064c-11e6-9589-afb41412f38a.html


I hope they build the bridge two lanes, each direction.

EDIT:  Oops.  The bridge is still just proposed....

One of the "arterial" alternatives in the Prairie Parkway study was a corridor from I-80 to I-88 that generally followed Saratoga Road (about 3 miles west of IL 47 in Morris) from I-80 north to where it met Lisbon Road, continuing on High Point Road to cross the Fox River and connect to Eldamain Road. Near Galena Road, it would swing west to connect to Dauberman Road at US 30, and continue north to I-88. Kane County is studying the extension of Dauberman Road south of US 30 and across the BNSF RR to connect to Granart Road, just as Kendall County is studying the Eldamain crossing of the Fox River, but AFAIK there is currently no coordinated planning of an arterial corridor between the three counties involved.

It was not long ago that the US 30 to Granhart Rd part of Dugan Rd was redone. I wonder why they are not using that.

Wasn't that mainly to help access into and out of the golf course over there for tournaments, as well as re-distribute the access to the warehouses along Granhart? US 30 was redone from Dugan to Municipal along with that section of Dugan

Probably so. US 30 is under reconstruction west of there going toward Big Rock.

Ohh I haven't been out there in a couple months. So they're finally redoing that section which I bet goes out to Hinckley as they redid the Hinckley to Waterman section during summer of 2014
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on August 09, 2017, 09:05:48 PM
^And they redid the Shabbona to Waterman section in the summer of 2010 because I actually contributed to that job as an IDOT intern  :sombrero:
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on August 10, 2017, 08:32:29 AM
Only took 7 years, but they got it all resurfaced. All that's left is US 30 and I-39 :sombrero:
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: US71 on August 10, 2017, 10:56:43 AM
isn't 110 just stitched together existing routes across illinois? 

yes.....AND Missouri.  Two states with unnecessary signage costs.
110 seems to be the priority road since I- 35 goes missing alot

SM-G930V

Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: US71 on August 10, 2017, 10:57:39 AM
Only took 7 years, but they got it all resurfaced. All that's left is US 30 and I-39 :sombrero:
Just in time to start again

SM-G930V

Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: edwaleni on August 11, 2017, 08:06:52 AM
Does the average person even realize 110 exists? I don't think there really is any benefit to it. Most people want to take Interstates, so they will take I-55/72/US 36 or I-55/70 to get to Kansas City. The whole thing is kind of stupid if you ask me.
I never really thought Chicago to KC was a very popular connection anyways. It's certainly not like Chicago to NYC or Chicago to LA.

Transportation planners have salivated over a CHI-KCMO connection for many years.  There was a proposal in the early 1980's to built a private, truck only expressway, but that didn't go over well with DOT. 

Missouri has 4 laned the entire route (not at Interstate standards) west of Hannibal and Illinois, always cash poor, has hobbled together a route using existing ROW's and bypasses with some new road built with IL-336. But with the Macomb Bypass in a constant state of confusion (now just the northbound side will be finished), and Illinois ride just above bankruptcy, it may be a few years before it becomes a smooth ride.  Engineering dollars have been allocated to build out a 4 lane substitute for US-24 west of Peoria to help out, but again it may be many years.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on August 11, 2017, 10:54:13 AM
Transportation planners have salivated over a CHI-KCMO connection for many years.  There was a proposal in the early 1980's to built a private, truck only expressway, but that didn't go over well with DOT. 

I am familiar with the study and a few of the people who worked on it. Actually, the reason the private toll road idea was abandoned is not "IDOT opposition", but that it wouldn't pay for itself. They tried to get buy-in from the major truckers at the time including Yellow Freight, but they couldn't justify the time savings with the toll costs, in the projected volumes that they were looking at. In a separate study, IDOT District 4 also was looking at some other alternatives to connect Chicago to Peoria roughly along IL 116 or US 24 corridors, but ultimately settled on an IL 29 corridor that would branch off of I-180 near Hennepin and meet up with the IL 6 western ring road at Peoria. That corridor has a completed EIS but no real push to build it at this time.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on August 12, 2017, 08:36:14 PM
Transportation planners have salivated over a CHI-KCMO connection for many years.  There was a proposal in the early 1980's to built a private, truck only expressway, but that didn't go over well with DOT. 

I am familiar with the study and a few of the people who worked on it. Actually, the reason the private toll road idea was abandoned is not "IDOT opposition", but that it wouldn't pay for itself. They tried to get buy-in from the major truckers at the time including Yellow Freight, but they couldn't justify the time savings with the toll costs, in the projected volumes that they were looking at. In a separate study, IDOT District 4 also was looking at some other alternatives to connect Chicago to Peoria roughly along IL 116 or US 24 corridors, but ultimately settled on an IL 29 corridor that would branch off of I-180 near Hennepin and meet up with the IL 6 western ring road at Peoria. That corridor has a completed EIS but no real push to build it at this time.

Do the traffic counts along IL-29 really justify 4 lanes? I don't think so. Same with IL-336.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on August 12, 2017, 09:13:37 PM
Why does IDOT replace BGS's on the brown gantries with BGS's that don't even fit properly? They did this on 53/290 a few years back and now they're starting to do it on the Kennedy. They look hideous and the old signs were fine as is.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on August 13, 2017, 05:27:49 PM
If you can cart it away...

Always wanted a bridge? IDOT's giving one away (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-bridge-donation-getting-around-0814-20170813-column.html)

Quote
The Illinois Department of Transportation is offering to donate the historic Ford City Drive bridge over Pulaski Road near the Ford City Mall.

If you take IDOT up on its offer, it would be a costly thing to own. To even have a shot at taking over the bridge, applicants would have to prove they forever could maintain both the bridge and the features that give it historic significance. If they choose to move it, they also need to show how and when they would do it. And that might be pretty tough: The structure is crumbling and would be nearly impossible to move, according to IDOT officials.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on August 13, 2017, 09:51:29 PM
Do the traffic counts along IL-29 really justify 4 lanes? I don't think so.

Disagree - there's enough ADT to warrant four lanes up to Sparland.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on August 13, 2017, 10:21:23 PM
Do the traffic counts along IL-29 really justify 4 lanes? I don't think so.

Disagree - there's enough ADT to warrant four lanes up to Sparland.

If connected to I-180, then it may induce some demand as well.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SSOWorld on August 13, 2017, 11:03:26 PM
Do the traffic counts along IL-29 really justify 4 lanes? I don't think so.

Disagree - there's enough ADT to warrant four lanes up to Sparland.

If connected to I-180, then it may induce some demand as well.
For both it and I-180
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: mgk920 on August 14, 2017, 11:50:50 PM
What's the latest on the Illinois license plate saga?  I have not yet seen nor heard of any new-design plates with numbers above the [AP xxxxx] range, which have been on the road for at least a couple of months now, while I also have similarly not seen nor heard of any new old-design plates below about [ZV xxxxx], which have also been on the road for a couple of months now.

Mike
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: machias on August 15, 2017, 07:22:13 PM
What's the latest on the Illinois license plate saga?  I have not yet seen nor heard of any new-design plates with numbers above the [AP xxxxx] range, which have been on the road for at least a couple of months now, while I also have similarly not seen nor heard of any new old-design plates below about [ZV xxxxx], which have also been on the road for a couple of months now.

Mike

I registered two vehicles in Illinois two weeks ago. Both are in the AP 61xxx series.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: adt1982 on August 15, 2017, 09:27:01 PM
I have seen a good chunk of AB ##### and AC ##### plates that have July or August 18 expiration stickers here in Montgomery County.  I had not seen any up until recently.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: mgk920 on August 16, 2017, 04:07:53 PM
What's the latest on the Illinois license plate saga?  I have not yet seen nor heard of any new-design plates with numbers above the [AP xxxxx] range, which have been on the road for at least a couple of months now, while I also have similarly not seen nor heard of any new old-design plates below about [ZV xxxxx], which have also been on the road for a couple of months now.

Mike

I did see an Illinois old-design plate with [ZUx xxxx] here in Appleton, WI yesterday, too.

Mike
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: adt1982 on August 16, 2017, 07:28:58 PM
What's the latest on the Illinois license plate saga?  I have not yet seen nor heard of any new-design plates with numbers above the [AP xxxxx] range, which have been on the road for at least a couple of months now, while I also have similarly not seen nor heard of any new old-design plates below about [ZV xxxxx], which have also been on the road for a couple of months now.



Mike

I did see an Illinois old-design plate with [ZUx xxxx] here in Appleton, WI yesterday, too.

Mike

Once they ran out of Z## #### they went to ZZ# ####, then ZY, ZX, and ZU.  I don't believe I have seen any ZW.  They used these on the old base until the new base came out.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: captkirk_4 on August 22, 2017, 09:12:23 AM
Well, if ever they needed I-39 to be finished down to southern IL it was yesterday. It was the worst traffic I've ever seen in my life, worse than any Chicago Expressway. The entire road network south of I-64 was a parking lot. Going down US 51 those towns south of I64 had their act together, they had police directing traffic at the intersections in the small towns waving the columns through. Coming back up on the eastern side of the state was a different story. I-57 was completely stopped and had a 15 mile 3 lane backup into Carbondale waiting to get on. Tried US45 and route 1 and there was a half hour 5 mile backup at every single small town south of I-64. Unlike US 51 these places like Eldorado, Carmi, Crossville made no attempt to have any police (do they even have a police force?) to wave the traffic through red lights, instead the entire 5 mile column had to wait every other minute at a red light in some empty town where absolutely no cross-traffic was there to even need the light. 8 hour drive from Carbondale to Champaign 6 hours of which were just to get up to I-64. Once IL 130 branched off the traffic ended altough I saw I57 at Tuscola at 9pm and it was packed and only moving at around 45 50mph. Massive Wisconsin presence from all their plates I saw in Carbondale so have no clue as to how long it took them to get home.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on August 22, 2017, 09:50:49 AM
Was there ever talk of tolling the section of I-88 between the Quad Cities and Sterling / Rock Falls?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on August 22, 2017, 11:55:57 AM
Was there ever talk of tolling the section of I-88 between the Quad Cities and Sterling / Rock Falls?

Not to my knowledge.  I've often wondered why ISTHA stopped at US-30 in Rock Falls with IDOT continuing the corridor to I-80.  A short route to Iowa would've been straight to Clinton, but I don't know if there were ever any plans for it.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ilpt4u on August 22, 2017, 01:46:03 PM
Not to my knowledge.  I've often wondered why ISTHA stopped at US-30 in Rock Falls with IDOT continuing the corridor to I-80.  A short route to Iowa would've been straight to Clinton, but I don't know if there were ever any plans for it.
I'm pretty sure someone posted an old map somewhere on this site that showed a spur route that departed mainline I-88/previously IL 5 and headed for Clinton, IA

Found a copy

(https://www.interstate-guide.com/maps/illnois_northwest_1970.jpg)
Sourced from interstate-guide.com's page on I-88 (Western/IL)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ilpt4u on August 22, 2017, 01:58:10 PM
Well, if ever they needed I-39 to be finished down to southern IL it was yesterday. It was the worst traffic I've ever seen in my life, worse than any Chicago Expressway. The entire road network south of I-64 was a parking lot. Going down US 51 those towns south of I64 had their act together, they had police directing traffic at the intersections in the small towns waving the columns through. Coming back up on the eastern side of the state was a different story. I-57 was completely stopped and had a 15 mile 3 lane backup into Carbondale waiting to get on. Tried US45 and route 1 and there was a half hour 5 mile backup at every single small town south of I-64. Unlike US 51 these places like Eldorado, Carmi, Crossville made no attempt to have any police (do they even have a police force?) to wave the traffic through red lights, instead the entire 5 mile column had to wait every other minute at a red light in some empty town where absolutely no cross-traffic was there to even need the light. 8 hour drive from Carbondale to Champaign 6 hours of which were just to get up to I-64. Once IL 130 branched off the traffic ended altough I saw I57 at Tuscola at 9pm and it was packed and only moving at around 45 50mph. Massive Wisconsin presence from all their plates I saw in Carbondale so have no clue as to how long it took them to get home.
Not to be the bad guy, but really, this is better for the Ohio Valley board, which is better suited for Southern IL than the Great Lakes

That being said, there were a lot of people in Carbondale and Jackson County this weekend, and I heard the roads were pretty bad. But I live down here now, so no need to drive back North. Don't know how long it took my brother to get back home (he drove, lives Downtown)

Amtrak did run an additional train for the eclipse, I believe, and the regularly scheduled 4:30 pm-ish Carbondale-Chicago run had extra cars yesterday, as well. From the lines at the Carbondale Amtrak station (which really needs replaced, but it didn't make it into the current round of Downtown Carbondale rebuilding), there were a lot of people taking the Train option as well as Roads
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: dcharlie on August 22, 2017, 02:05:01 PM
Not to my knowledge.  I've often wondered why ISTHA stopped at US-30 in Rock Falls with IDOT continuing the corridor to I-80.  A short route to Iowa would've been straight to Clinton, but I don't know if there were ever any plans for it.
I'm pretty sure someone posted an old map somewhere on this site that showed a spur route that departed mainline I-88/previously IL 5 and headed for Clinton, IA

Found a copy

(https://www.interstate-guide.com/maps/illnois_northwest_1970.jpg)
Sourced from interstate-guide.com's page on I-88 (Western/IL)

It's not exactly the spur shown in the map, but I did find this... 

http://www.idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/IDOT-Projects/District-2/US-30-Fulton-to-Rock-Falls/files/US_30_Six_Alignment_Report%5B1%5D.pdf


Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on August 22, 2017, 04:03:45 PM
I want to think I've seen the route to Clinton on an old IDOT planning document...
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on August 22, 2017, 04:14:51 PM
Well, if ever they needed I-39 to be finished down to southern IL it was yesterday. It was the worst traffic I've ever seen in my life, worse than any Chicago Expressway. The entire road network south of I-64 was a parking lot. Going down US 51 those towns south of I64 had their act together, they had police directing traffic at the intersections in the small towns waving the columns through. Coming back up on the eastern side of the state was a different story. I-57 was completely stopped and had a 15 mile 3 lane backup into Carbondale waiting to get on. Tried US45 and route 1 and there was a half hour 5 mile backup at every single small town south of I-64. Unlike US 51 these places like Eldorado, Carmi, Crossville made no attempt to have any police (do they even have a police force?) to wave the traffic through red lights, instead the entire 5 mile column had to wait every other minute at a red light in some empty town where absolutely no cross-traffic was there to even need the light. 8 hour drive from Carbondale to Champaign 6 hours of which were just to get up to I-64. Once IL 130 branched off the traffic ended altough I saw I57 at Tuscola at 9pm and it was packed and only moving at around 45 50mph. Massive Wisconsin presence from all their plates I saw in Carbondale so have no clue as to how long it took them to get home.
Not to be the bad guy, but really, this is better for the Ohio Valley board, which is better suited for Southern IL than the Great Lakes

That being said, there were a lot of people in Carbondale and Jackson County this weekend, and I heard the roads were pretty bad. But I live down here now, so no need to drive back North. Don't know how long it took my brother to get back home (he drove, lives Downtown)

Amtrak did run an additional train for the eclipse, I believe, and the regularly scheduled 4:30 pm-ish Carbondale-Chicago run had extra cars yesterday, as well. From the lines at the Carbondale Amtrak station (which really needs replaced, but it didn't make it into the current round of Downtown Carbondale rebuilding), there were a lot of people taking the Train option as well as Roads

I only am commenting on this in this thread since it's been started and did have an effect on Chicago bound traffic. However, U.S. 51 through Southern and Central IL was a life saver for me coming back to Chicago from the Eclipse. I was a little South of St. Louis where I viewed it, which I made it a point to bolt from there as soon as totality ended. The trick was to detour off main roads where needed, but essentially, I-70 East from St. Louis was fine, which I took to U.S. 51 and took that up to Decatur, then I-72 over to I-57, got off at Rantoul to avoid the backup just past there, and then got back on after it cleared using some side roads. In all, it took about 7 hours I was coming into the city on the Dan Ryan, which, based on stories I heard, was not bad at all. The point is that U.S. 51 definitely would have been a good candidate for an interstate yesterday. Although, even just extending the four-lane section South to at least I-64 or near Carbondale would have helped alleviate traffic. Ironically, though, the fact that it is just two lanes as you go South is what I think kept a lot of the traffic off of it.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ilpt4u on August 22, 2017, 05:22:39 PM
US 51 isn't a bad route. I've made the drive between Carbondale and Bloomington/Normal a few times -- sure you end up going thru towns like Du Quoin and Centralia and Vandalia, but its a pretty nice ride, I think

That said, I would love I-39 to make it to at least Salem, IL -- I think it would be much harder to justify it all the way down to Dongola (Current US 51/I-57 junction) or Pulleys Mill (Current I-57/I-24 Junction) -- as I-39 would be closely paralleling I-57 only ~20 miles west between Salem and Dongola

For Regional traffic, usually upgrades more to IL 127 or IL 3 are wanted, to get a Carbondale-St Louis Expressway of some sort -- Interstate would be nice, but even 4 Lane Divided Highway Expressway would be ok
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on August 22, 2017, 10:33:17 PM
There's at least one surviving street blade on IL 40 for "SH" 88:
Blurry streetview (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0904855,-89.6578795,3a,15y,73.94h,82.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3VzMRwnyFPQ3k0SobM0miQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)

Also, from recent travels parts of Old US 66 around Litchfield appear to have gotten the typical Illinois county mile markers with a route number of 934.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on August 23, 2017, 03:18:00 PM

I'm pretty sure someone posted an old map somewhere on this site that showed a spur route that departed mainline I-88/previously IL 5 and headed for Clinton, IA

Found a copy


The US 30 study between Fulton and Sterling/Rock Falls, with the Morrison bypass, was recently cancelled by IDOT. This was a route that was on the IL Supplemental Freeway plan of the late 60's and had been in some form of planning ever since.

http://wqad.com/2017/03/15/idot-to-discuss-decision-to-scrap-major-renovation-on-u-s-route-30/
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on August 23, 2017, 04:28:28 PM

I'm pretty sure someone posted an old map somewhere on this site that showed a spur route that departed mainline I-88/previously IL 5 and headed for Clinton, IA

Found a copy


The US 30 study between Fulton and Sterling/Rock Falls, with the Morrison bypass, was recently cancelled by IDOT. This was a route that was on the IL Supplemental Freeway plan of the late 60's and had been in some form of planning ever since.

http://wqad.com/2017/03/15/idot-to-discuss-decision-to-scrap-major-renovation-on-u-s-route-30/

Do you have that 60's doc?  I was trying to google it, but came up empty.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on August 23, 2017, 09:04:27 PM
There's at least one surviving street blade on IL 40 for "SH" 88:
Blurry streetview (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0904855,-89.6578795,3a,15y,73.94h,82.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3VzMRwnyFPQ3k0SobM0miQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)

Also, from recent travels parts of Old US 66 around Litchfield appear to have gotten the typical Illinois county mile markers with a route number of 934.

I think Stark County has a bunch of those. 

Two old IL-88 shields are posted on the interior walls of Tanner's Apple Orchard, at the southeast corner of IL-17 and IL-40.  I know I posted it somewhere before, but here's a photo of it

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4171/34553685632_b0b92749d6_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UDoEUy)
IL-088 (https://flic.kr/p/UDoEUy) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Lyon Wonder on August 24, 2017, 10:38:54 PM
IMO, IL-88 wouldn't have needed to be renumbered had the IL-5 freeway/tollway been signed as I-82 instead of I-88.  IL-82 is nearby too, though it doesn't actually intersect the interstate and has far fewer miles than IL-88/IL-40.  Not to mention I-88 would be the perfect number for an interstate upgrade of US 20 between Sioux City and Rockford.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ilpt4u on August 24, 2017, 10:46:18 PM
IMO, IL-88 wouldn't have needed to be renumbered had the IL-5 freeway/tollway been signed as I-82 instead of I-88.  IL-82 is nearby too, though it doesn't actually intersect the interstate and has far fewer miles than IL-88/IL-40.  Not to mention I-88 would be the perfect number for an interstate upgrade of US 20 between Sioux City and Rockford.
Getting fictional...

Dump I-88. Sign it (even)80, maybe I-880. Take over I-294 south of the Strangler junction to come back to I-80. The Tri-State north of there can be (odd)94, perhaps I-194, up to I-94
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on August 25, 2017, 01:32:40 AM

Do you have that 60's doc?  I was trying to google it, but came up empty.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwiWoLD90_HVAhUS5mMKHb8BAnsQFggmMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.midwestroads.com%2Fillinois%2Fil%2520supp%2520fwy.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHec0GYSfnArxFkO2O89CWTe_jFUA
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on August 25, 2017, 09:04:45 AM

Do you have that 60's doc?  I was trying to google it, but came up empty.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwiWoLD90_HVAhUS5mMKHb8BAnsQFggmMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.midwestroads.com%2Fillinois%2Fil%2520supp%2520fwy.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHec0GYSfnArxFkO2O89CWTe_jFUA

Thank you!
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: edwaleni on August 30, 2017, 11:38:37 PM
Well, if ever they needed I-39 to be finished down to southern IL it was yesterday. It was the worst traffic I've ever seen in my life, worse than any Chicago Expressway. The entire road network south of I-64 was a parking lot. Going down US 51 those towns south of I64 had their act together, they had police directing traffic at the intersections in the small towns waving the columns through. Coming back up on the eastern side of the state was a different story. I-57 was completely stopped and had a 15 mile 3 lane backup into Carbondale waiting to get on. Tried US45 and route 1 and there was a half hour 5 mile backup at every single small town south of I-64. Unlike US 51 these places like Eldorado, Carmi, Crossville made no attempt to have any police (do they even have a police force?) to wave the traffic through red lights, instead the entire 5 mile column had to wait every other minute at a red light in some empty town where absolutely no cross-traffic was there to even need the light. 8 hour drive from Carbondale to Champaign 6 hours of which were just to get up to I-64. Once IL 130 branched off the traffic ended altough I saw I57 at Tuscola at 9pm and it was packed and only moving at around 45 50mph. Massive Wisconsin presence from all their plates I saw in Carbondale so have no clue as to how long it took them to get home.

Well, when the next eclipse comes through in 2024, you can crab about a different route.  I would say it isn't IDOT's fault they couldn't anticipate the traffic for something like an eclipse, not Crossville or Carmi, IL police departments.  I don't think a I-39 extension all the way to Cairo would have helped the traffic the state had dealt with before and after.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: edwaleni on August 31, 2017, 12:59:28 AM
Was there ever talk of tolling the section of I-88 between the Quad Cities and Sterling / Rock Falls?

Not to my knowledge.  I've often wondered why ISTHA stopped at US-30 in Rock Falls with IDOT continuing the corridor to I-80.  A short route to Iowa would've been straight to Clinton, but I don't know if there were ever any plans for it.

Well, here is my understanding of I-88.

It got the I-88 shield due to a clause in the NMSL law.  Only rural roads with interstate designations could raise their limits.  At the time it was signed IL-5 and the ISTHA petitioned to get an exception. So it was signed I-88 and they raised the speed limits.  Technically when NMSL law was repealed, they could have reverted back to IL-5 and took the I-88 shields down, but why?

As for the routing of I-88, its a tortured history rife with politics.

Shortly after WWII, IDOT started purchasing ROW west of 22nd Street in DuPage County all the way to North Aurora, IL for the planned West Suburban Expressway.  That expressway was going to eventually cross the Fox River and join US30 west of Aurora and go all the way to Rock Falls.

You can even see remnants of that planned West Suburban Expressway along IL-56 (Butterfield Road) though most components have disappeared over the many upgrades IL-56 has taken. IDOT finally sold off some of the ROW at certain locations in the 1990's when it was clear it was never to be used as intended.

The ISTHA came along and wanted to build the highway to the west of Chicago, but not on IDOT ROW in the 1950's.  Originally, I-88 was supposed to "end" at I-294 in Hinsdale on the east terminus. But politics played a role as the mayor of Oakbrook called the then head of the ISTHA and asked that the road be moved north so as not to split the town in half.  There was a retail center in the works on 22nd Street, how about some land up near there?  So ISTHA got some land on the cheap to sway it north.

Now I-88 was split in two north of Oakbrook. ISTHA wanted to keep a link to Hinsdale, but IDOT wanted a connection to the planned Eisenhower Extension (at the time I-90, later I-290) since the toll road would effectively replace their own. Today, I-88, I-290, Butterfield (IL-56) and 22nd Street all cross each other within a short distance.

But then a new round of politics were fired up. Then Chicago Mayor Richard Daley (1st) didn't like the idea of the what he termed the "Congress Expressway" that had been planned since the 1930's. He wanted the Congress to end at Central Avenue, which it did at the time when it was built.

IDOT had bought up the old Chicago, Aurora & Elgin ROW, that they had owned, but never used for the their Bellwood/Forest park bypass to avoid street running. (The IDOT service yard at I-290 & Laramie is the old railyard where it connected with the CTA once upon a time)

IDOT wanted to connect that Congress Extension with their original plan for a West Suburban Expressway. But the Mayor was against it. He saw the extension as a way for people to live outside of Chicago. So a compromise was struck between Cook County, IDOT and ISTHA, the eastbound spur to the then I-90 was limited to 1 lane only and became part of what was known as the Hillside Strangler. (The mayor wanted it to be a pain, period)

Oh, the politics aren't over just yet.  When ISTHA announced the proposed route roughly following US30 as IDOT was going to do, the politicians and people in DeKalb & Northern Illinois University howled and threatened to interfere with the bond sale if there wasn't a better option presented.  So ISTHA moved the route farther north, closer to DeKalb to get them in line.

But this decision caused more problems. After it was built, no one used it. In fact, ISTHA wined for years about how I-5 from the US30 Aurora Exit to Rock Falls was a huge money loser. Transporation experts said it wasn't an optimal route because it swayed so far north. The road even got into a somewhat dilapidated state with potholes and terrible section joints. ISTHA didn't want to put any money into it and finally repaved it, but the section joints just separated further and it got worse.

When the State of Illinois passed a new law allowing ISTHA to refinance their bonds and become a somewhat permanent entity, they were no longer beholden to turn the roads back to IDOT (as they were broke anyway) and could finance their activities as part of a single transportation entity.

By this time IL-5 was a big joke. While traffic between Aurora and DeKalb was picking up, between DeKalb and Rock Falls was next to nothing. Everyone used I-80 to go west to Moline, not IL-5.  After the law passed ISTHA absorbed the cost of the IL-5 reconstruction into a larger bond refinancing to pay for the Tri-State (I-294) reconstruction. If they had it their way, they would have dumped it and given it back to IDOT.  It's still a money loser when looking at just the segment itself, but has grown into a I-80 reliever over time.

IDOT already owned the land between Rock Falls and Moline for their proposed US30 expressway and finished the route east from Moline to Rock Falls.

And what of that West Suburban Expressway IDOT had planned?  If you drive IL-56 just west of IL-59, the bridge for the former EJ&E (now CN) still has the portal for the second set of lanes.  The freeway style bridge IDOT built over the former CAE Aurora Branch (torn down now) on IL-56 had unused lanes in anticipation of the freeway.  IDOT owned a large swath of land at the intersection of IL-53 and IL-56 to build a full interchange (since sold).

So, I-88 has had a tortured history and its route was mired in politics all the way from I-294 to US30 in Rock Falls.

The most "utility" I ever got from IL-5/I-88 was after I-39 opened and I used it as a reliever to avoid I-55 logjams and accidents, or if I was going west to Des Moines on the motorcycle and wanted to avoid the trucks on I-80.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: mrose on August 31, 2017, 01:28:41 AM
Once I-39 popped up, IL-5/I-88 kind of became the de facto route for Wisconsin traffic to get to Iowa and points west... over time this road became notorious in our circle for being famously dilapidated as well as for Illinois' audacity to charge a 95 cent toll to use it... my dad routinely scoffed at this. And we also noted the irony that the road always seemed to improve greatly once you reached the free section west of Dixon.

Between 1985 and 2000 I would have made maybe two dozen trips to Nebraska and back and I personally dreaded that 60 mile stretch or so every single time.... especially on the way back because I'd already been in the car for 5-6 hours at that point.

I'd been to Chicago and on the other tollways in Illinois enough times to conclude that 5/88 was more or less the neglected bastard child of the Illinois toll system.



Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on September 01, 2017, 01:11:09 PM
Checking current ADT's I-88 averages around 10,000 a day west of Sterling/Rock Falls (the IDOT toll free section), 13,000 between Rock Falls and Rochelle, 16,000 in the "free ride" piece between IL 251 and I-39, 21,000 between I-39 and DeKalb, 25,000 between Annie Glidden and Peace Road in DeKalb, 33,000 between Peace Road and IL 47, 30,000 between IL 47 and the IL 56 interchange (which will probably jump up once the full-access IL 47 interchange is built in a year or 2), where it then jumps up progressively as it moves toward I-355 and I-294, reaching about 180,000 a day just before the I-294 cutoff. The western part of I-88 is very similar to the I-44 Will Rogers Turnpike, another Midwestern rural tollway, in traffic volume (8k-13k a day on WRT depending on section), so it is not necessarily under-performing in its category.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on September 01, 2017, 04:56:45 PM
Pretty much IL-56 to DeKalb is NIU traffic and to I-39 is Wisco/Central IL traffic. It is very empty west of Dixon from what I remember
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: GeekJedi on September 01, 2017, 08:16:37 PM
Pretty much IL-56 to DeKalb is NIU traffic and to I-39 is Wisco/Central IL traffic. It is very empty west of Dixon from what I remember

There is plenty of commuter traffic between IL-56 and Dekalb. In fact I'd say very little is NIU traffic - the traffic count doesn't seem to change much between summer and fall/winter.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: mgk920 on September 01, 2017, 09:56:29 PM
Pretty much IL-56 to DeKalb is NIU traffic and to I-39 is Wisco/Central IL traffic. It is very empty west of Dixon from what I remember

There is plenty of commuter traffic between IL-56 and Dekalb. In fact I'd say very little is NIU traffic - the traffic count doesn't seem to change much between summer and fall/winter.

Remember that Union Pacific's Global III intermodal yard is just off of I-88 at Rochelle, too.  The 'free' section is between that yard (IL 251) and I-39.

Mike
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ilpt4u on September 01, 2017, 10:05:42 PM
Technically, the first Exit (from the West) of the Tollway, Dixon, is free as well. The ramp tolls were removed, and the toll booth is East of the exit.

So really, even tho ISTHA maintains east of the US 30 interchange/Exit 44, no tolls are collected at the IL 26/Dixon/Exit 54, so that is really the last "Free" exit before tolling begins, from the West
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: edwaleni on September 02, 2017, 09:12:11 PM
One of the remnants of the planned West Suburban Expressway planned by IDOT.

This is IL-56 just west of IL-59.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4355/36989805915_852f7033b3_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on September 03, 2017, 09:33:24 AM
Wow! But that's pretty narrow if they were thinking of doing an expressway through that overpass.

Are there any other noticeable remenants today or even from using historic aerials?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: mgk920 on September 03, 2017, 12:17:31 PM
Wow! But that's pretty narrow if they were thinking of doing an expressway through that overpass.

Are there any other noticeable remenants today or even from using historic aerials?

That almost looks to me to be pre-War.  When was that built?

Mike
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on September 03, 2017, 12:46:00 PM
Wow! But that's pretty narrow if they were thinking of doing an expressway through that overpass.

Are there any other noticeable remenants today or even from using historic aerials?

That almost looks to me to be pre-War.  When was that built?

Mike

It looks very similar to the EJ&E Bridge over US 12 which opened in 1939, so I would imagine some where in that time span.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: brad on September 03, 2017, 07:37:46 PM
One of the remnants of the planned West Suburban Expressway planned by IDOT.

This is IL-56 just west of IL-59.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4355/36989805915_852f7033b3_z.jpg)

Is the intersection of Butterfield and Highland also a remnant? It's so strange to see an overpass there. I vaguely recall when Butterfield Road went up the off ramps instead of going under Highland Ave.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on September 03, 2017, 09:14:10 PM
I thought it was always because the 88 exit was just so close. That I did not know.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on September 04, 2017, 12:24:42 AM
One of the remnants of the planned West Suburban Expressway planned by IDOT.

This is IL-56 just west of IL-59.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4355/36989805915_852f7033b3_z.jpg)

Is the intersection of Butterfield and Highland also a remnant? It's so strange to see an overpass there. I vaguely recall when Butterfield Road went up the off ramps instead of going under Highland Ave.

and IL-38 from I-290 to IL-83 also part of it?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ilpt4u on September 04, 2017, 02:36:40 AM
One of the remnants of the planned West Suburban Expressway planned by IDOT.

This is IL-56 just west of IL-59.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4355/36989805915_852f7033b3_z.jpg)
I was a bit shocked that IL 56 wasn't 4 Laned under the Overpass here, when they did the project around the IL 59 area, on IL 56. Not like the overpass isn't already there and that ROW is lacking...

That being said, nothing quite compares to IDOT remnants like US 50 Downstate, across the state...just on scale and scope of the remnants, anyway
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Lyon Wonder on September 04, 2017, 04:12:10 PM
A viaduct over US 40 east of Martinsville has enough room to add 2 additional lanes for US 40.
My guess is this viaduct was built in the 1950s when Illinois originally intended to convert US 40 into a 4 lane expressway from the St Louis area to the Indiana state line.  Of course turning US 40 into an expressway fell by the wayside with the Interstate highway act in 1956 and funding to build I-70.
https://goo.gl/maps/8739NYv1TvJ2
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ilpt4u on September 04, 2017, 04:39:20 PM
A viaduct over US 40 east of Martinsville has enough room to add 2 additional lanes for US 40.
My guess is this viaduct was built in the 1950s when Illinois originally intended to convert US 40 into a 4 lane expressway from the St Louis area to the Indiana state line.  Of course turning US 40 into an expressway fell by the wayside with the Interstate highway act in 1956 and funding to build I-70.
https://goo.gl/maps/8739NYv1TvJ2
Kinda a silly question, but why did IDOT (or its predecessor) build a new alignment I-70 instead up upgrading existing US 40, whereas I-55 was (mostly) an upgrade to existing US 66?

Is it because I-70 was done first?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: edwaleni on September 04, 2017, 04:45:10 PM
A viaduct over US 40 east of Martinsville has enough room to add 2 additional lanes for US 40.
My guess is this viaduct was built in the 1950s when Illinois originally intended to convert US 40 into a 4 lane expressway from the St Louis area to the Indiana state line.  Of course turning US 40 into an expressway fell by the wayside with the Interstate highway act in 1956 and funding to build I-70.
https://goo.gl/maps/8739NYv1TvJ2

Excellent example.  I remember being on US40 before and during the construction of I-70.  My dad used to rue going east as it took IDOT forever to get the road finished east of Montrose.

Here is the EJ&E bridge over US12 and it is of identical design and construction, but uses but sides.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4358/36194194954_7df52d50b8_z.jpg)

According to bridge records, they were built in 1941.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: edwaleni on September 04, 2017, 04:55:13 PM
A viaduct over US 40 east of Martinsville has enough room to add 2 additional lanes for US 40.
My guess is this viaduct was built in the 1950s when Illinois originally intended to convert US 40 into a 4 lane expressway from the St Louis area to the Indiana state line.  Of course turning US 40 into an expressway fell by the wayside with the Interstate highway act in 1956 and funding to build I-70.
https://goo.gl/maps/8739NYv1TvJ2
Kinda a silly question, but why did IDOT (or its predecessor) build a new alignment I-70 instead up upgrading existing US 40, whereas I-55 was (mostly) an upgrade to existing US 66?

Is it because I-70 was done first?

Before the Interstate Highway Act, IDOT had spent millions between 1926 and 1956 updating portions of US-66 to meet the growing traffic demand.  So in many cases on I-55, they could defer much of the work as many bypasses of small town centers had already been completed.

I have driven I-55 so much between STL and CHI that I could probably do it in my sleep now.

I remember the different sections being done and then in odd places getting hit with a stoplight now and then.

The original Pontiac Bypass built in 1929 was the last road to be "blessed" by an original Illini tribesman still alive. He came out sang a chant in his native tongue and in native clothing.  Today, anything like that would be banned! Ask anyone what an Illini was and no one knows.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: edwaleni on September 04, 2017, 05:13:30 PM
This was the original planned route of the West Suburban Expressway by IDOT.

It was to start near the terminus of the Eisenhower/Tri-State/ Roosevelt Road (IL-38) ramps.  (IL-38 used to be ALT US30)

It roughly followed what became IL-56 and IDOT built some parts in prep of what would become a freeway.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4374/36859113212_a03eab1d96_z.jpg)

It was to bridge the Fox River just north of North Aurora, which in late 1940's didn't go farther than the CB&Q branch line at the time. That former ROW is now Oak Street in North Aurora.

West of the CB&Q branch line it was going turn SW towards where the current I-88/IL-56 ramps go down to US30.

I have no idea what it was going to be signed if it got built. Since it essentially aligned traffic east-west out of metro Chicago, I always assumed it was going to be the "new" US30. But that got pushed away as a south suburban Chicago bypass via Joliet instead.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: edwaleni on September 04, 2017, 05:28:00 PM
One of the remnants of the planned West Suburban Expressway planned by IDOT.

This is IL-56 just west of IL-59.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4355/36989805915_852f7033b3_z.jpg)

Is the intersection of Butterfield and Highland also a remnant? It's so strange to see an overpass there. I vaguely recall when Butterfield Road went up the off ramps instead of going under Highland Ave.

Butterfield and Highland was a fully signalled intersection that met at grade.  Believe it or not, before the Yorktown Mall was built, it was a 4 way stop!

The Highland Overpass was built due to local congestion causing backups on the nearby tollway.  So Butterfiled was lowered and Highland raised a little in the early 90's to give you what you have today.

Speaking of intersections that used to be 4 way stops.....IL-59 and New York Avenue (former US-33) was a 4 way stop right up to when the Fox Valley Mall opened in 1976.  It was about a year later before they finally installed a full signal set.

Today, locals can't imagine that being any other way.

I met an old farmer once who owned land along IL-59 south of the Fox Valley Mall between then Naperville and Aurora.  He said he remembers IDOT surveyors coming out and marking the land just after WW2 and 2 months later came to him with a ROW purchase agreement.  IDOT told him it was for a future expressway. That was in 1947!  He is long gone now and no expressway was built, but IL-59 is definitely a busy route between Plainfield and Aurora.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 04, 2017, 05:40:09 PM
One of the remnants of the planned West Suburban Expressway planned by IDOT.

This is IL-56 just west of IL-59.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4355/36989805915_852f7033b3_z.jpg)

Is the intersection of Butterfield and Highland also a remnant? It's so strange to see an overpass there. I vaguely recall when Butterfield Road went up the off ramps instead of going under Highland Ave.

Butterfield and Highland was a fully signalled intersection that met at grade.  Believe it or not, before the Yorktown Mall was built, it was a 4 way stop!

The Highland Overpass was built due to local congestion causing backups on the nearby tollway.  So Butterfiled was lowered and Highland raised a little in the early 90's to give you what you have today.

Speaking of intersections that used to be 4 way stops.....IL-59 and New York Avenue (former US-33) was a 4 way stop right up to when the Fox Valley Mall opened in 1976.  It was about a year later before they finally installed a full signal set.

Today, locals can't imagine that being any other way.


US-33 was never in Illinois.  Do you mean something else?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ilpt4u on September 04, 2017, 05:48:43 PM
US 30 was along New York St (And Galena Blvd, as One Way pairs), but not as far East as IL 59, I didn't think. I was under the impression US 30 came up from the Joliet area via Hill Ave to reach New York St/Galena Blvd to downtown Aurora (there were a few US 30 signs still on Hill Ave, but I think they are gone now).

Unless US 30 continued along New York St, then Aurora Ave to reach Downtown Naperville, but I don't think that was its route. I guess it may have turned South along IL 59 at one point, as well.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: edwaleni on September 04, 2017, 08:15:59 PM
One of the remnants of the planned West Suburban Expressway planned by IDOT.

This is IL-56 just west of IL-59.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4355/36989805915_852f7033b3_z.jpg)

Is the intersection of Butterfield and Highland also a remnant? It's so strange to see an overpass there. I vaguely recall when Butterfield Road went up the off ramps instead of going under Highland Ave.

Butterfield and Highland was a fully signalled intersection that met at grade.  Believe it or not, before the Yorktown Mall was built, it was a 4 way stop!

The Highland Overpass was built due to local congestion causing backups on the nearby tollway.  So Butterfiled was lowered and Highland raised a little in the early 90's to give you what you have today.

Speaking of intersections that used to be 4 way stops.....IL-59 and New York Avenue (former US-33) was a 4 way stop right up to when the Fox Valley Mall opened in 1976.  It was about a year later before they finally installed a full signal set.

Today, locals can't imagine that being any other way.


US-33 was never in Illinois.  Do you mean something else?

My error.

It wasn't US-33, it was IL-65.

1948

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4359/37032966085_db95b050f9_z.jpg)

1962

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4403/37032891555_bbd38358a0_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ilpt4u on September 04, 2017, 08:53:18 PM
Those are cool maps!

I like how Butterfield Rd/Present IL 56 used to be IL 55. Seems fitting it was changed, when I-55 became a thing

Any idea what the story is behind the US 54 shield, depicted on the 1948 map, around Alsip or so?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 04, 2017, 09:03:32 PM
Those are cool maps!

I like how Butterfield Rd/Present IL 56 used to be IL 55. Seems fitting it was changed, when I-55 became a thing

Any idea what the story is behind the US 54 shield, depicted on the 1948 map, around Alsip or so?


US-54 used to run to downtown Chicago.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: brad on September 07, 2017, 10:03:42 PM
One of the remnants of the planned West Suburban Expressway planned by IDOT.

This is IL-56 just west of IL-59.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4355/36989805915_852f7033b3_z.jpg)

Is the intersection of Butterfield and Highland also a remnant? It's so strange to see an overpass there. I vaguely recall when Butterfield Road went up the off ramps instead of going under Highland Ave.

Butterfield and Highland was a fully signalled intersection that met at grade.  Believe it or not, before the Yorktown Mall was built, it was a 4 way stop!

The Highland Overpass was built due to local congestion causing backups on the nearby tollway.  So Butterfiled was lowered and Highland raised a little in the early 90's to give you what you have today.

Historic aerials seem to indicate otherwise. The overpass was built sometime between 1970 and 1973. But Butterfield didn't go underneath until the late 80's. 
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on September 07, 2017, 10:21:04 PM
One of the remnants of the planned West Suburban Expressway planned by IDOT.

This is IL-56 just west of IL-59.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4355/36989805915_852f7033b3_z.jpg)

Is the intersection of Butterfield and Highland also a remnant? It's so strange to see an overpass there. I vaguely recall when Butterfield Road went up the off ramps instead of going under Highland Ave.

Butterfield and Highland was a fully signalled intersection that met at grade.  Believe it or not, before the Yorktown Mall was built, it was a 4 way stop!

The Highland Overpass was built due to local congestion causing backups on the nearby tollway.  So Butterfiled was lowered and Highland raised a little in the early 90's to give you what you have today.

Historic aerials seem to indicate otherwise. The overpass was built sometime between 1970 and 1973. But Butterfield didn't go underneath until the late 80's.

Where do you get aerials that go that far back?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 07, 2017, 10:44:19 PM
One of the remnants of the planned West Suburban Expressway planned by IDOT.

This is IL-56 just west of IL-59.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4355/36989805915_852f7033b3_z.jpg)

Is the intersection of Butterfield and Highland also a remnant? It's so strange to see an overpass there. I vaguely recall when Butterfield Road went up the off ramps instead of going under Highland Ave.

Butterfield and Highland was a fully signalled intersection that met at grade.  Believe it or not, before the Yorktown Mall was built, it was a 4 way stop!

The Highland Overpass was built due to local congestion causing backups on the nearby tollway.  So Butterfiled was lowered and Highland raised a little in the early 90's to give you what you have today.

Historic aerials seem to indicate otherwise. The overpass was built sometime between 1970 and 1973. But Butterfield didn't go underneath until the late 80's.

Where do you get aerials that go that far back?

https://www.historicaerials.com/
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on September 15, 2017, 10:09:13 PM
Kane County has posted an updated set of plans for Section D of Longmeadow Parkway, which includes the intersection with IL 62.  Per Sheet 96 of the plans (~74 MB pdf file), there will be a non-overhead doghouse signal for eastbound Longmeadow.

General Longmeadow Parkway website (http://www.co.kane.il.us/dot/foxBridges/longmeadowPkwy.aspx)
Direct link to plans for Section D (https://kdotftp.egnyte.com/dl/WSksFQYs0S)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: edwaleni on September 16, 2017, 01:14:49 AM
One of the remnants of the planned West Suburban Expressway planned by IDOT.

This is IL-56 just west of IL-59.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4355/36989805915_852f7033b3_z.jpg)

Is the intersection of Butterfield and Highland also a remnant? It's so strange to see an overpass there. I vaguely recall when Butterfield Road went up the off ramps instead of going under Highland Ave.

Butterfield and Highland was a fully signalled intersection that met at grade.  Believe it or not, before the Yorktown Mall was built, it was a 4 way stop!

The Highland Overpass was built due to local congestion causing backups on the nearby tollway.  So Butterfiled was lowered and Highland raised a little in the early 90's to give you what you have today.

Historic aerials seem to indicate otherwise. The overpass was built sometime between 1970 and 1973. But Butterfield didn't go underneath until the late 80's.

I just looked at those aerials. The 1988 pix shows the Highland Road overpass under construction. There was no overpass in 1970 or 1973. They met at grade.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on September 24, 2017, 03:15:11 PM
Sign replacement continues on the Kennedy, particularly outbound between I-290 and the I-90/94 split. It seems the new signs are not showing the Chicago street codes anymore (5200N, 4800 W, etc).
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on September 24, 2017, 03:33:40 PM
Sign replacement continues on the Kennedy, particularly outbound between I-290 and the I-90/94 split. It seems the new signs are not showing the Chicago street codes anymore (5200N, 4800 W, etc).

Glad the signs are finally being replaced... way overdue. But that is incredibly shortsighted on IDOT's part. The street numbering is a big component of getting around Chicago, even on the expressways.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on September 24, 2017, 04:15:23 PM
Sign replacement continues on the Kennedy, particularly outbound between I-290 and the I-90/94 split. It seems the new signs are not showing the Chicago street codes anymore (5200N, 4800 W, etc).

The news signs look terrible. They don't fit properly on the existing BGS's.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on September 24, 2017, 05:44:42 PM
Sign replacement continues on the Kennedy, particularly outbound between I-290 and the I-90/94 split. It seems the new signs are not showing the Chicago street codes anymore (5200N, 4800 W, etc).

The news signs look terrible. They don't fit properly on the existing BGS's.

Especially the new Kennedy and Edens signs approaching the JCT. They look awful
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ChiMilNet on September 24, 2017, 09:00:24 PM
Sign replacement continues on the Kennedy, particularly outbound between I-290 and the I-90/94 split. It seems the new signs are not showing the Chicago street codes anymore (5200N, 4800 W, etc).

The news signs look terrible. They don't fit properly on the existing BGS's.

Especially the new Kennedy and Edens signs approaching the JCT. They look awful

It's the same issue on IL 53 North of I-90 when they replaced those a few years ago. This just seems to be IDOT practice.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: adt1982 on September 25, 2017, 05:40:02 PM
Many of the street signs in Springfield indicate the block number after the street name.  Example: 11th St 1300N.  However, the ones at Capitol and 11th say 11th 400S St.  Oops!
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: brad on September 25, 2017, 09:35:26 PM
One of the remnants of the planned West Suburban Expressway planned by IDOT.

This is IL-56 just west of IL-59.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4355/36989805915_852f7033b3_z.jpg)

Is the intersection of Butterfield and Highland also a remnant? It's so strange to see an overpass there. I vaguely recall when Butterfield Road went up the off ramps instead of going under Highland Ave.

Butterfield and Highland was a fully signalled intersection that met at grade.  Believe it or not, before the Yorktown Mall was built, it was a 4 way stop!

The Highland Overpass was built due to local congestion causing backups on the nearby tollway.  So Butterfiled was lowered and Highland raised a little in the early 90's to give you what you have today.

Historic aerials seem to indicate otherwise. The overpass was built sometime between 1970 and 1973. But Butterfield didn't go underneath until the late 80's.

I just looked at those aerials. The 1988 pix shows the Highland Road overpass under construction. There was no overpass in 1970 or 1973. They met at grade.

Not sure what you're looking at, but that's not what is shown on the Historic Aerials site.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: edwaleni on September 27, 2017, 09:55:03 PM
One of the remnants of the planned West Suburban Expressway planned by IDOT.

This is IL-56 just west of IL-59.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4355/36989805915_852f7033b3_z.jpg)

Is the intersection of Butterfield and Highland also a remnant? It's so strange to see an overpass there. I vaguely recall when Butterfield Road went up the off ramps instead of going under Highland Ave.

Butterfield and Highland was a fully signalled intersection that met at grade.  Believe it or not, before the Yorktown Mall was built, it was a 4 way stop!

The Highland Overpass was built due to local congestion causing backups on the nearby tollway.  So Butterfiled was lowered and Highland raised a little in the early 90's to give you what you have today.

Historic aerials seem to indicate otherwise. The overpass was built sometime between 1970 and 1973. But Butterfield didn't go underneath until the late 80's.

I just looked at those aerials. The 1988 pix shows the Highland Road overpass under construction. There was no overpass in 1970 or 1973. They met at grade.

Not sure what you're looking at, but that's not what is shown on the Historic Aerials site.

Well, you asked...here it is from the coveted Historic Aerials site as you wish....

Before the underpass was built, Butterfield (IL-56) and Highland met at grade with a signaled intersection.

1974  (No underpass)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4388/37332428662_bda9f725a1_z.jpg)

1988 (Underpass under construction)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4476/37332428622_fa4cbe04e5.jpg)

1992 (Underpass Complete)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4410/37332428532_4d126fbe59.jpg)

I saw Star Wars in 1977 at the Yorktown Cinema a mile east of this intersection when it was just 2 screens.  I drove through here every week for some 30 years.

Have a nice day!   :-|
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on September 28, 2017, 11:29:02 AM
So, does anybody know what's going on with the DDI project at I-55 and Weber Road?  A couple years ago they actually started on it, with some grading and roadbeds put in, but then the project stopped, and from what I understand, it had little to do with the state's budget.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on September 28, 2017, 09:37:43 PM
I found this article. http://www.wjol.com/weber-road-diamond-interchange-construction-expected-last-two-years/ (http://www.wjol.com/weber-road-diamond-interchange-construction-expected-last-two-years/)

Doesn't give much information but it's from July 2017.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on September 29, 2017, 09:45:20 AM
I found this article. http://www.wjol.com/weber-road-diamond-interchange-construction-expected-last-two-years/ (http://www.wjol.com/weber-road-diamond-interchange-construction-expected-last-two-years/)

Doesn't give much information but it's from July 2017.

I think I noticed some subtle stuff going on.  There's an old car wash about a mile south of 55 that was torn down, and the plans I've seen show that as a staging area.  I noticed some utility flags around as well.

I'll be surprised if this gets started in earnest in the spring.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: machias on October 01, 2017, 11:34:47 AM
Sign replacement continues on the Kennedy, particularly outbound between I-290 and the I-90/94 split. It seems the new signs are not showing the Chicago street codes anymore (5200N, 4800 W, etc).

The news signs look terrible. They don't fit properly on the existing BGS's.

Especially the new Kennedy and Edens signs approaching the JCT. They look awful

I haven't noticed any new awful looking signs. Which ones are you referring to?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on October 01, 2017, 09:26:47 PM
Sign replacement continues on the Kennedy, particularly outbound between I-290 and the I-90/94 split. It seems the new signs are not showing the Chicago street codes anymore (5200N, 4800 W, etc).

The news signs look terrible. They don't fit properly on the existing BGS's.

Especially the new Kennedy and Edens signs approaching the JCT. They look awful

I haven't noticed any new awful looking signs. Which ones are you referring to?

I-90/94 westbound approaching the split
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on October 06, 2017, 05:21:55 PM
I just got to thinking, and having not seen this addressed via a quick search of the forums, why hasn't IL-394 ever been numbered I-394?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on October 06, 2017, 05:26:55 PM
I just got to thinking, and having not seen this addressed via a quick search of the forums, why hasn't IL-394 ever been numbered I-394?

I don't really see the purpose of it. The freeway section of 394 is 4-5 miles at most and the section south of that would probably still be IL 394.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on October 06, 2017, 09:22:06 PM
I just got to thinking, and having not seen this addressed via a quick search of the forums, why hasn't IL-394 ever been numbered I-394?

A few guesses:

1) Illinois general prefers interstates to end at other interstates?  Wouldn't account for I-172, I-180, and I-190 though.

2) There's nothing important enough near the end of the freeway to warrant an interstate number?  Again I-172 and I-180 would not fit this pattern.

3) As noted by Tribar, the freeway is not that long, and an IL 394 would still be required for the expressway section.

4) IDOT did try once for I-394 and was denied?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tdindy88 on October 06, 2017, 09:27:50 PM
I suppose this may be dumb for asking, but why can't that stretch be Illinois 1? The control city already is Danville. I know Illinois 1 is nearby but is there any significance for running it up that way toward 95th Street rather than running it up into I-94?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on October 06, 2017, 09:49:59 PM
I suppose this may be dumb for asking, but why can't that stretch be Illinois 1? The control city already is Danville. I know Illinois 1 is nearby but is there any significance for running it up that way toward 95th Street rather than running it up into I-94?

It was IL-1 at one point.
http://www.n9jig.com/1-20.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Route_1
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tdindy88 on October 06, 2017, 09:59:46 PM
They probably should have kept it there, which was why I was wondering what the reason is for putting it back on its original alignment, especially since they aren't routing it up to Downtown Chicago any more. It's not like Illinois is against single digit freeways with Illinois 6 around the Peoria area?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on October 06, 2017, 10:36:56 PM
IDOT has a long range plan to convert the expressway section from Sauk Trail to somewhere around Goodenow Road to a fully access controlled freeway. I am pretty sure there would need to be some upgrades on the existing freeway section north of Sauk Trail to meet modern Interstate standards. If the 3rd airport at Peotone or the new CSX intermodal yard at Crete go in, might give some momentum to do it, but right now it is fairly low on the priority list and not a fiscally constrained project in the current CMAP 2040 plan. They might try for an I-designation if that project is ever done.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on October 06, 2017, 11:57:27 PM
IDOT has a long range plan to convert the expressway section from Sauk Trail to somewhere around Goodenow Road to a fully access controlled freeway. I am pretty sure there would need to be some upgrades on the existing freeway section north of Sauk Trail to meet modern Interstate standards. If the 3rd airport at Peotone or the new CSX intermodal yard at Crete go in, might give some momentum to do it, but right now it is fairly low on the priority list and not a fiscally constrained project in the current CMAP 2040 plan. They might try for an I-designation if that project is ever done.
the tollway can fill the funding gap if needed.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on October 07, 2017, 09:39:53 AM
And now there's this...

Legislative leaders consider using road funds to build Obama library (https://www.ilnews.org/news/state_politics/legislative-leaders-consider-using-state-tax-dollars-meant-for-roads/article_02e305a6-aabc-11e7-af18-e7363460b396.html)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on October 07, 2017, 12:00:09 PM
And now there's this...

Legislative leaders consider using road funds to build Obama library (https://www.ilnews.org/news/state_politics/legislative-leaders-consider-using-state-tax-dollars-meant-for-roads/article_02e305a6-aabc-11e7-af18-e7363460b396.html)

Um... that is a big no-no for me...  :pan: :pan: :pan:
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ILRoad55 on October 07, 2017, 12:46:44 PM
Just wondering, how is the Longmeadow Pkwy doing?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on October 07, 2017, 09:40:51 PM
And now there's this...

Legislative leaders consider using road funds to build Obama library (https://www.ilnews.org/news/state_politics/legislative-leaders-consider-using-state-tax-dollars-meant-for-roads/article_02e305a6-aabc-11e7-af18-e7363460b396.html)
just put a tollgate in to enter so only the people who use it pay for it.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: mvak36 on October 07, 2017, 11:31:19 PM
And now there's this...

Legislative leaders consider using road funds to build Obama library (https://www.ilnews.org/news/state_politics/legislative-leaders-consider-using-state-tax-dollars-meant-for-roads/article_02e305a6-aabc-11e7-af18-e7363460b396.html)

Um... that is a big no-no for me...  :pan: :pan: :pan:

I say HELL NO!!! The state can't even maintain the roads it has and has a whole lot of other budget problems. I have nothing against Obama, but this is government waste at it's finest.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SSOWorld on October 08, 2017, 06:21:05 AM
Welcome to Illinois - where Chicago makes policy and everyone else shuts the fuck up.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: 7/8 on October 08, 2017, 11:29:35 AM
And now there's this...

Legislative leaders consider using road funds to build Obama library (https://www.ilnews.org/news/state_politics/legislative-leaders-consider-using-state-tax-dollars-meant-for-roads/article_02e305a6-aabc-11e7-af18-e7363460b396.html)

The article mentions the idea of doing a fundraiser, and that seems like a much better idea to me. Obama was a popular president, so I don't think it would be hard to pay for it, or at least pay for a large chunk of it through donations.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: I-39 on October 08, 2017, 04:50:36 PM
And now there's this...

Legislative leaders consider using road funds to build Obama library (https://www.ilnews.org/news/state_politics/legislative-leaders-consider-using-state-tax-dollars-meant-for-roads/article_02e305a6-aabc-11e7-af18-e7363460b396.html)

Um... that is a big no-no for me...  :pan: :pan: :pan:

I say HELL NO!!! The state can't even maintain the roads it has and has a whole lot of other budget problems. I have nothing against Obama, but this is government waste at it's finest.

Isn't this illegal now? Didn't Illinois pass a constitutional amendment banning the use of gas tax and vehicle registration money for anything other than roads?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: captkirk_4 on October 08, 2017, 06:49:20 PM
And now there's this...

Legislative leaders consider using road funds to build Obama library (https://www.ilnews.org/news/state_politics/legislative-leaders-consider-using-state-tax-dollars-meant-for-roads/article_02e305a6-aabc-11e7-af18-e7363460b396.html)

Why here and not Hawaii where he's from? He's not even from Illinois? He just came here as an adult already out of law school to work a job. He's no more "from Illinois" than Peyton Manning is from Denver.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on October 08, 2017, 10:05:21 PM
And now there's this...

Legislative leaders consider using road funds to build Obama library (https://www.ilnews.org/news/state_politics/legislative-leaders-consider-using-state-tax-dollars-meant-for-roads/article_02e305a6-aabc-11e7-af18-e7363460b396.html)

Why here and not Hawaii where he's from? He's not even from Illinois? He just came here as an adult already out of law school to work a job. He's no more "from Illinois" than Peyton Manning is from Denver.


Who says it has to be where they are from?  Reagan wasn't from California.  H.W. Bush wasn't from Texas. 
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on October 10, 2017, 07:22:24 AM
IDOT's lack of maintenance is showing.

Huge Hole On Bridge Deck Of I-80 And Rowell Avenue (http://www.wjol.com/huge-hole-bridge-deck-80-rowell-avenue/?_pjax=.site-main)

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A huge pot hole along the bridge deck of eastbound I-80 over the Rowell Avenue. This massive hole was discovered yesterday afternoon.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on October 10, 2017, 08:52:46 AM
IDOT's lack of maintenance is showing.

Huge Hole On Bridge Deck Of I-80 And Rowell Avenue (http://www.wjol.com/huge-hole-bridge-deck-80-rowell-avenue/?_pjax=.site-main)

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A huge pot hole along the bridge deck of eastbound I-80 over the Rowell Avenue. This massive hole was discovered yesterday afternoon.

Did you comment on this on the "You know you're from Joliet if..." group on facebook?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on October 10, 2017, 10:10:07 AM
IDOT's lack of maintenance is showing.

Huge Hole On Bridge Deck Of I-80 And Rowell Avenue (http://www.wjol.com/huge-hole-bridge-deck-80-rowell-avenue/?_pjax=.site-main)

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A huge pot hole along the bridge deck of eastbound I-80 over the Rowell Avenue. This massive hole was discovered yesterday afternoon.

Did you comment on this on the "You know you're from Joliet if..." group on facebook?

Why yes, I indeed did.  Same comment too.

A major east-west interstate, and IDOT can't manage to maintain it well enough to travel reliably on.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on October 10, 2017, 10:22:45 AM
Time for the I-80will project (http://i-80will.com/) to get started.

well.. it was time 15 years ago...

Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on October 10, 2017, 10:32:46 AM
Time for the I-80will project (http://i-80will.com/) to get started.

well.. it was time 15 years ago...

Wait 5 years.  IDOT is always at least 20 years behind.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on October 10, 2017, 10:45:28 AM
Time for the I-80will project (http://i-80will.com/) to get started.

well.. it was time 15 years ago...

Wait 5 years.  IDOT is always at least 20 years behind.
This state is so fudged up with it's finances it's not even funny.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on October 15, 2017, 08:03:59 PM
Is there a website where you can see what is being displayed on VMS throughout Chicagoland?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on October 15, 2017, 08:07:54 PM
Is there a website where you can see what is being displayed on VMS throughout Chicagoland?

https://www.travelmidwest.com/lmiga/home.jsp (https://www.travelmidwest.com/lmiga/home.jsp)

Make sure the overhead signs layer is turned on.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: tribar on October 16, 2017, 01:55:02 PM
Is there a website where you can see what is being displayed on VMS throughout Chicagoland?

https://www.travelmidwest.com/lmiga/home.jsp (https://www.travelmidwest.com/lmiga/home.jsp)

Make sure the overhead signs layer is turned on.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on October 17, 2017, 12:35:36 PM
Cicero Ave bridge over the Cal Sag River will be closed until The Last Jedi Day (December 15th) for emergency repairs. Cicero is closed between 127th and IL-83/Cal Sag Road. The ramp from southbound 294 to southbound Cicero is also closed.

They found cracks in the superstructure, but I'm surprised they didn't just do a complete sweep of the bridges crossing the Cal Sag for repairs. They redid Ridgeland and IL-171/83 bridges within the past couple of years
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on October 18, 2017, 10:05:45 AM
Cicero Ave bridge over the Cal Sag River will be closed until The Last Jedi Day (December 15th) for emergency repairs. Cicero is closed between 127th and IL-83/Cal Sag Road. The ramp from southbound 294 to southbound Cicero is also closed.

They found cracks in the superstructure, but I'm surprised they didn't just do a complete sweep of the bridges crossing the Cal Sag for repairs. They redid Ridgeland and IL-171/83 bridges within the past couple of years

Is it just me, but has there been a lot of emergency bridge repairs in the Chicago area over the last year?  I recall one south of Arsenal Rd. on 55, and just last week on I-80 on the east side of Joliet.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on October 18, 2017, 11:25:29 AM
Cicero Ave bridge over the Cal Sag River will be closed until The Last Jedi Day (December 15th) for emergency repairs. Cicero is closed between 127th and IL-83/Cal Sag Road. The ramp from southbound 294 to southbound Cicero is also closed.

They found cracks in the superstructure, but I'm surprised they didn't just do a complete sweep of the bridges crossing the Cal Sag for repairs. They redid Ridgeland and IL-171/83 bridges within the past couple of years

Is it just me, but has there been a lot of emergency bridge repairs in the Chicago area over the last year?  I recall one south of Arsenal Rd. on 55, and just last week on I-80 on the east side of Joliet.

Torrence Ave bridge over the Cal Sag Channel also had an emergency repair over the past year
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on October 18, 2017, 04:11:42 PM
Cicero Ave bridge over the Cal Sag River will be closed until The Last Jedi Day (December 15th) for emergency repairs. Cicero is closed between 127th and IL-83/Cal Sag Road. The ramp from southbound 294 to southbound Cicero is also closed.

They found cracks in the superstructure, but I'm surprised they didn't just do a complete sweep of the bridges crossing the Cal Sag for repairs. They redid Ridgeland and IL-171/83 bridges within the past couple of years

Is it just me, but has there been a lot of emergency bridge repairs in the Chicago area over the last year?  I recall one south of Arsenal Rd. on 55, and just last week on I-80 on the east side of Joliet.

IDOT is normally on a two year schedule for bridge inspections. As soon as an element gets below a threshold of good repair, they go to a one-year cycle. There are bridges in the past that were inspected on as often as a weekly basis because of fracture critical components. At any time during these inspections, and through routine drive-throughs by maintenance personnel or reports by the general public, something suspicious is sometimes found. Depending on the issue, some problems reveal themselves over time in a highly visible manner (like the exposed steel components of a truss bridge), others are hidden beneath the surface until they suddenly pop out in the open (often on bridge decks).
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on November 11, 2017, 08:40:22 PM
Page 13 of 36 from this presentation (http://www.idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/Transportation-System/Pamphlets-&-Brochures/Freight-Council/061917/June%2019,%202017%20Full%20Packet.pdf) has a truck flow map from 2014 for Illinois that might be of interest.  I have to wonder if it is missing some data given the categories given to some of the Chicagoland interstates.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Lyon Wonder on December 09, 2017, 07:06:09 PM
IDOT has narrowed down their plan for replacing the IL-106 Florence bridge across the Illinois River to 4 options.  I guess the build-no bridge option is to just simply tear down the existing bridge and upgrade the country road from IL-100 and IL-106 in Detroit to I-72 with a new interchange. I think most locals would prefer a brand new bridge, which would also provide a viable detour route for I-72.

http://wlds.com/news/idot-receives-public-feedback-on-florence-bridge-project/

IDOT receives public feedback on Florence Bridge project

By Blake Schnitker on December 8 at 7:59am

Residents of Scott and Pike counties had the opportunity to meet with IDOT representatives last night regarding future plans for the Florence Bridge.

The Illinois Department of Transportation is currently in the planning stages for replacing the bridge that runs across the Illinois River at Florence, near the border of Pike and Scott counties and Illinois Routes 100 and 106.

Last night, IDOT representatives laid out the various replacement options that they’ve developed and received feedback from members of the community. In terms of replacing the bridge, IDOT’s Region Four Engineer Jeff South explains the alternative options.

“We started off with about ten or so, and we’ve narrowed it down to basically four with a no-build option. The four alternatives that we’re looking at basically include a (potential) bridge about 100 feet north of the current structure, one about 100 feet south of the current structure, one about 300 feet south of the current structure, and a little bit more of a bypass concept about 4,500 feet south of the current structure, with attaching roadways,” says South.

Back in early August, the Florence Bridge was shut down for a few days. South says that those repairs were made, but explains why IDOT is thinking about the long term condition of the structure.

“The bridge was originally shut down a little bit earlier this year based on some inspection results we had. We fixed those issues, so the bridge is back open and in service. We want to take a look at our options for replacing this structure because the bridge is basically old, it’s structurally deficient, it’s functionally obsolete, and we don’t want to  continue to put a whole lot of money into a structure that isn’t really looking forward into the 21st century,” South explains.

The projected costs of the four replacement alternatives range from about $70 to $78 million dollars. The cheapest construction cost comes with alternative 4A and is estimated at $70.6 million, where a replacement would be placed approximately 100 feet north of the existing bridge. The most expensive option is alternative 4C, which would construct a replacement bridge 100 feet south of the current structure; that comes in at an estimated $77.6 million.

In terms of costs, South explains that IDOT would seek some federal funding for this particular project.

“In general, we would look to have federal participation for this structure. Generally, we would look for eighty-twenty, with the department matching twenty (percent) because it’s our roadway, it’s our bridge, we would intend for most of the money for the match to be ours and have federal participation in it. Some of the side roads, it’s possible that we would need some local participation for improving those, but it depends on the alternative,” says South.

IDOT is approximately two-thirds of the way through the planning phase of the project. The department plans to hold more public meetings similar to last night’s event in the future, as they continue to seek community feedback. To provide online feedback, you can email IDOT at contact@www.florencebridgestudy.com.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on December 11, 2017, 11:56:24 AM
State expands plan to add toll lanes on I-55 (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/wisniewski/ct-met-i-55-toll-getting-around-20171210-story.html)

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To combat congestion on the Stevenson Expressway, Gov. Bruce Rauner and IDOT last year proposed adding one express toll lane in each direction for the 25-mile stretch between I-355 and I-90/94, to be built by private companies. The stretch starts at Bolingbrook and touches such southwest suburbs as Burr Ridge, Hodgkins and Summit, plus Chicago’s Southwest Side.

IDOT has now upped the ante and proposes having two new toll lanes in each direction from I-90/94 in the city to I-294, with one toll lane in each direction from I-294 to I-355.

The new plan would be more attractive to developers, who could pay for all or part of the construction through a public-private partnership, which would have to be approved by the Illinois General Assembly, explained IDOT project manager Steve Schilke. The Assembly never voted on the initial, one-lane proposal. The Illinois Tollway would have the right of first refusal on the project.

The new lanes would go into the shoulder area to the left of traffic and into the center median. The additional lanes would not take up any more of the right-of-way for I-55, so it would not intrude on private property, Schilke said. Some widening would be needed at places where the roadway curves, to make sure sightlines are safe, but this would still be within the existing right-of-way, he said.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on December 11, 2017, 12:14:14 PM
State expands plan to add toll lanes on I-55 (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/wisniewski/ct-met-i-55-toll-getting-around-20171210-story.html)

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To combat congestion on the Stevenson Expressway, Gov. Bruce Rauner and IDOT last year proposed adding one express toll lane in each direction for the 25-mile stretch between I-355 and I-90/94, to be built by private companies. The stretch starts at Bolingbrook and touches such southwest suburbs as Burr Ridge, Hodgkins and Summit, plus Chicago’s Southwest Side.

IDOT has now upped the ante and proposes having two new toll lanes in each direction from I-90/94 in the city to I-294, with one toll lane in each direction from I-294 to I-355.

The new plan would be more attractive to developers, who could pay for all or part of the construction through a public-private partnership, which would have to be approved by the Illinois General Assembly, explained IDOT project manager Steve Schilke. The Assembly never voted on the initial, one-lane proposal. The Illinois Tollway would have the right of first refusal on the project.

The new lanes would go into the shoulder area to the left of traffic and into the center median. The additional lanes would not take up any more of the right-of-way for I-55, so it would not intrude on private property, Schilke said. Some widening would be needed at places where the roadway curves, to make sure sightlines are safe, but this would still be within the existing right-of-way, he said.

The tollway taking control of this project just makes sense. Not a bad idea at the end. I just hope the tollway lets pace use the express lanes.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on December 11, 2017, 01:31:44 PM
State expands plan to add toll lanes on I-55 (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/wisniewski/ct-met-i-55-toll-getting-around-20171210-story.html)

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To combat congestion on the Stevenson Expressway, Gov. Bruce Rauner and IDOT last year proposed adding one express toll lane in each direction for the 25-mile stretch between I-355 and I-90/94, to be built by private companies. The stretch starts at Bolingbrook and touches such southwest suburbs as Burr Ridge, Hodgkins and Summit, plus Chicago’s Southwest Side.

IDOT has now upped the ante and proposes having two new toll lanes in each direction from I-90/94 in the city to I-294, with one toll lane in each direction from I-294 to I-355.

The new plan would be more attractive to developers, who could pay for all or part of the construction through a public-private partnership, which would have to be approved by the Illinois General Assembly, explained IDOT project manager Steve Schilke. The Assembly never voted on the initial, one-lane proposal. The Illinois Tollway would have the right of first refusal on the project.

The new lanes would go into the shoulder area to the left of traffic and into the center median. The additional lanes would not take up any more of the right-of-way for I-55, so it would not intrude on private property, Schilke said. Some widening would be needed at places where the roadway curves, to make sure sightlines are safe, but this would still be within the existing right-of-way, he said.

The tollway taking control of this project just makes sense. Not a bad idea at the end. I just hope the tollway lets pace use the express lanes.

My guess is that the arrangement would be similar for Pace as it is on the Jane Addams/Northwest Tollway.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on December 11, 2017, 03:15:13 PM
State expands plan to add toll lanes on I-55 (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/wisniewski/ct-met-i-55-toll-getting-around-20171210-story.html)

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To combat congestion on the Stevenson Expressway, Gov. Bruce Rauner and IDOT last year proposed adding one express toll lane in each direction for the 25-mile stretch between I-355 and I-90/94, to be built by private companies. The stretch starts at Bolingbrook and touches such southwest suburbs as Burr Ridge, Hodgkins and Summit, plus Chicago’s Southwest Side.

IDOT has now upped the ante and proposes having two new toll lanes in each direction from I-90/94 in the city to I-294, with one toll lane in each direction from I-294 to I-355.

The new plan would be more attractive to developers, who could pay for all or part of the construction through a public-private partnership, which would have to be approved by the Illinois General Assembly, explained IDOT project manager Steve Schilke. The Assembly never voted on the initial, one-lane proposal. The Illinois Tollway would have the right of first refusal on the project.

The new lanes would go into the shoulder area to the left of traffic and into the center median. The additional lanes would not take up any more of the right-of-way for I-55, so it would not intrude on private property, Schilke said. Some widening would be needed at places where the roadway curves, to make sure sightlines are safe, but this would still be within the existing right-of-way, he said.

The tollway taking control of this project just makes sense. Not a bad idea at the end. I just hope the tollway lets pace use the express lanes.

My guess is that the arrangement would be similar for Pace as it is on the Jane Addams/Northwest Tollway.

Maybe we'd get a smaller version of the smart roadway with these, but not sure if IDOT would want that over the local lanes
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: mgk920 on December 12, 2017, 12:00:12 AM
Wasn't that wide grassy median put there as a routing for a potential future CTA Red Line extension?

Mike
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SSOWorld on December 12, 2017, 05:37:13 AM
Wasn't that wide grassy median put there as a routing for a potential future CTA Red Line extension?

Mike
Orange Line.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Henry on December 12, 2017, 09:19:32 AM
Whether the toll lanes on I-55 were a great idea remains to be seen. But if they help ease congestion a bit, then I'm all for it.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on December 12, 2017, 10:27:46 AM
Whether the toll lanes on I-55 were a great idea remains to be seen. But if they help ease congestion a bit, then I'm all for it.

Agreed.  I'm all for any kind of additional lanes along the Stevenson or Eisenhower.  If they were HOV/Toll lanes, that would be much better than straight-up toll lanes imo
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: 7/8 on December 12, 2017, 12:02:16 PM
Whether the toll lanes on I-55 were a great idea remains to be seen. But if they help ease congestion a bit, then I'm all for it.

Agreed.  I'm all for any kind of additional lanes along the Stevenson or Eisenhower.  If they were HOV/Toll lanes, that would be much better than straight-up toll lanes imo

So the toll lanes aren't HOV? I guess Illinois really is desperate for money :-D
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: abefroman329 on December 12, 2017, 04:55:07 PM
Wasn't that wide grassy median put there as a routing for a potential future CTA Red Line extension?

Mike

You may be thinking of I-57, in which case, yes, it was.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on December 12, 2017, 04:56:08 PM
Whether the toll lanes on I-55 were a great idea remains to be seen. But if they help ease congestion a bit, then I'm all for it.

Agreed.  I'm all for any kind of additional lanes along the Stevenson or Eisenhower.  If they were HOV/Toll lanes, that would be much better than straight-up toll lanes imo

So the toll lanes aren't HOV? I guess Illinois really is desperate for money :-D

You have no idea.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Joe The Dragon on December 12, 2017, 04:58:03 PM
Whether the toll lanes on I-55 were a great idea remains to be seen. But if they help ease congestion a bit, then I'm all for it.

Agreed.  I'm all for any kind of additional lanes along the Stevenson or Eisenhower.  If they were HOV/Toll lanes, that would be much better than straight-up toll lanes imo

So the toll lanes aren't HOV? I guess Illinois really is desperate for money :-D
It's needs to be IL-tollway as for HOV toll transponder with hov switches are a mixed bag that will make having 1 common toll system hard
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: mgk920 on December 13, 2017, 10:23:36 AM
Wasn't that wide grassy median put there as a routing for a potential future CTA Red Line extension?

Mike

You may be thinking of I-57, in which case, yes, it was.

Yea, half-awake brainfart.

:-p

Mike
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on December 13, 2017, 11:33:38 AM
Whether the toll lanes on I-55 were a great idea remains to be seen. But if they help ease congestion a bit, then I'm all for it.

Agreed.  I'm all for any kind of additional lanes along the Stevenson or Eisenhower.  If they were HOV/Toll lanes, that would be much better than straight-up toll lanes imo

So the toll lanes aren't HOV? I guess Illinois really is desperate for money :-D
It's needs to be IL-tollway as for HOV toll transponder with hov switches are a mixed bag that will make having 1 common toll system hard

Price also has to be reasonable. I wouldn't mind paying 75 cents or a dollar and driving 50 mph and bypassing stop and go traffic. Last week or so, Virginia drivers had to pay $40 for a HOT lane.

I would really like ITHSA to take over this project. At least the funds they earn go right back into their system and they continually upgrade the highways and generally do a good job. If it's a for profit company, the funds will just go to shareholders. The difference between the tollway which is fairly priced and the Chicago skyway are huge. Additionally the skyway you pay more to use your ipass.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: DrMyEyes on December 16, 2017, 06:44:03 PM
Where did this map come from?  Is there going to be a new Joliet Road exit off 294?  The NB/SB County Line Road exits from SB 55 are dreadful, but it would be a shame to mess up that fancy Burr Ridge County Line overpass that took forever to build. 

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1mVYZ1GDcElZEZa-466VbqF_24GQ&hl=en_US&ll=41.76046424208385%2C-87.8941135&z=14
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on December 17, 2017, 08:40:48 PM
Will County to request study on possible tollway on I-80 (http://www.theherald-news.com/2017/12/15/will-county-to-request-study-on-possible-tollway-on-i-80/aepgcvt/)

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The Will County Executive Committee is exploring options to widen Interstate 80 as traffic congestion continues to plague the highway that runs through the county.

The committee is planning on requesting for the Illinois State Tollway Highway Authority to conduct a feasibility study for the purposes of widening I-80 through Will County by creating an additional new dedicated toll lane, according to a press release.

"The portion of I-80 that runs through Will County is often congested and many times greatly exceeds the capacity it was designed for," said Will County Board Speaker Jim Moustis, R-Frankfort, in the press release. "With the limited road construction resources that the state has, we need to look at all options including adding toll lanes."

Personally, I favor just selling it and I-55 outright to ISTHA.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: pianocello on December 17, 2017, 10:58:56 PM
Will County to request study on possible tollway on I-80 (http://www.theherald-news.com/2017/12/15/will-county-to-request-study-on-possible-tollway-on-i-80/aepgcvt/)
Personally, I favor just selling it and I-55 outright to ISTHA.

I agree. If IDOT can't do anything, sell it to ISTHA and they can deal with it. In an ideal world, I-80 gets 6 lanes all the way out to I-55, with aux lanes between at least Larkin Ave and Richards St, as well as a complete redesign of the Center St and Chicago St interchanges. Of course, this is largely pipe dream. I don't know if even ISTHA can manage all of that.

Am I correct in saying that dedicated toll lanes (at least the ones that are proposed Illinois) have limited access points to the mainline, similar to the express lanes on the Kennedy and Dan Ryan?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on December 18, 2017, 08:57:27 AM
I wonder how this will affect the http://i-80will.com/ study.  They want it 6 lanes from 355 to the Grundy County line

I emailed them, and they said they're going to have a public meeting sometime after the first of the year.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on December 18, 2017, 09:17:52 AM
Will County to request study on possible tollway on I-80 (http://www.theherald-news.com/2017/12/15/will-county-to-request-study-on-possible-tollway-on-i-80/aepgcvt/)

Hah, that ramp at the bottom left of the image is the ramp I use to take to work every day.

How about we build the frickin Illiana and get a bunch of trucks out of the way??

The frustrating thing is that the IDOT roads are the ones in disrepair, and the Tollway is sitting on a huge chunk of change that is never going to get used on them.  I hope the ISTHA can throw some of its money at the toll lanes on I-55, and depending on how that goes, maybe they can use a similar approach toward I-80.  I-80 was originally built to bypass the central urban core of Chicago to facilitate long-distance traffic, but since the area sprawled outward, you have commuters (like me) and short trips utilizing the road.  It would be a good road for splitting into express and local lanes, but that would take a ton of ROW and transportation dollars.  Some kind of miniature version of that, like the toll lanes, would work well here, I think.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on December 18, 2017, 09:58:12 AM
To help ease congestion both downtown Joliet and traffic across the region was to have the Caton Farm Rd. bridge built. That would have been a huge boon to the area.

I'm also thinking forcing all semi traffic to the Arsenal Rd. exit on 55 may not be a bad idea, at least until 80 can be widened.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on December 18, 2017, 10:03:36 AM
The I-80will.com project has a meeting scheduled for Wednesday January 31, 2018 from 4:00 PM to 7:00 PM at Joliet Junior College .  Of course I get off work at 4:30, but I may take half a day to go to this.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on December 18, 2017, 01:27:57 PM
Will County to request study on possible tollway on I-80 (http://www.theherald-news.com/2017/12/15/will-county-to-request-study-on-possible-tollway-on-i-80/aepgcvt/)

Hah, that ramp at the bottom left of the image is the ramp I use to take to work every day.

It's also the ramp I typically use when I want to leave home and use I-80 east.  Who knew there were so many of us in this area?  :-D

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How about we build the frickin Illiana and get a bunch of trucks out of the way??

Much agreed.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on December 18, 2017, 01:50:02 PM
Will County to request study on possible tollway on I-80 (http://www.theherald-news.com/2017/12/15/will-county-to-request-study-on-possible-tollway-on-i-80/aepgcvt/)

Hah, that ramp at the bottom left of the image is the ramp I use to take to work every day.

It's also the ramp I typically use when I want to leave home and use I-80 east.  Who knew there were so many of us in this area?  :-D

I used to get off at that interchange (eastbound) to take the Metra in to Chicago, and sometimes still do...but I-80 is such a dicey proposition for travel time, I usually allow for enough time to get to Hickory Creek station (13 miles east) instead, and if I miss the train there, the last resort is Blue Island station off of I-57 and 127th Street, or just giving up and driving in. I also remember the original cloverleaf at I-55 and 80 being an adventure with its tight quarters...when they rebuilt it, it improved things somewhat, but with all the traffic growth, the rebuilt one is just as congested and difficult to negotiate as the old one was. I remember a now-deceased IDOT engineer saying how he lobbied for flyover ramps during the original construction of I-80 but was rebuffed because of cost.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on December 18, 2017, 02:15:29 PM
They should also widen Laraway road and try to make it a higher speed route for the Semis.  Ugh
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: kphoger on December 18, 2017, 03:23:33 PM
They should also widen Laraway road and try to make it a higher speed route for the Semis.  Ugh

I'm only 36 years old, and I remember when Laraway Road was gravel...
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on December 21, 2017, 10:18:54 AM
They should also widen Laraway road and try to make it a higher speed route for the Semis.  Ugh

I'm only 36 years old, and I remember when Laraway Road was gravel...

I'm 49, and I remember when Essington Rd in Joliet was gravel.  The old bridge over the Rock Run creek is now just behind a bank at the NE corner of Black Rd. and Essington.

https://goo.gl/maps/FDnMpecMKg62
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: captkirk_4 on December 22, 2017, 08:39:42 AM
Will County to request study on possible tollway on I-80 (http://www.theherald-news.com/2017/12/15/will-county-to-request-study-on-possible-tollway-on-i-80/aepgcvt/)

Hah, that ramp at the bottom left of the image is the ramp I use to take to work every day.

How about we build the frickin Illiana and get a bunch of trucks out of the way??

The frustrating thing is that the IDOT roads are the ones in disrepair, and the Tollway is sitting on a huge chunk of change that is never going to get used on them.  I hope the ISTHA can throw some of its money at the toll lanes on I-55, and depending on how that goes, maybe they can use a similar approach toward I-80.  I-80 was originally built to bypass the central urban core of Chicago to facilitate long-distance traffic, but since the area sprawled outward, you have commuters (like me) and short trips utilizing the road.  It would be a good road for splitting into express and local lanes, but that would take a ton of ROW and transportation dollars.  Some kind of miniature version of that, like the toll lanes, would work well here, I think.

Well, we live in a country run by petty lawyers, great things like the Hoover Dam and Golden Gate Bridge can no longer get built so I know the logical I-480 Bypass south of Chicago land for EW traffic will never get built. I don't even bother with I80-90-94 south of the City and Lake during Weekdays coming up from downstate. Now I take US24 across to Fort Wayne and catch I69. It's four laned halfway across Indiana, but goes back to two lanes and although fairly low traffic, doesn't bypass county seats like Watseka and Monticello IN where you can expect to get hit by 5 or 6 lights. Still better than the stop and go crawl of I-80 from the Tri-State merger to about mile marker 22 in Indiana.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on December 22, 2017, 11:37:58 AM

Well, we live in a country run by petty lawyers, great things like the Hoover Dam and Golden Gate Bridge


Garbage.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on December 22, 2017, 08:47:27 PM
They should also widen Laraway road and try to make it a higher speed route for the Semis.  Ugh

A little birdy told me that this might happen within the next 5 years...
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on December 26, 2017, 08:52:48 AM
They should also widen Laraway road and try to make it a higher speed route for the Semis.  Ugh

A little birdy told me that this might happen within the next 5 years...
I am intrigued.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Rick Powell on December 26, 2017, 06:58:51 PM
They should also widen Laraway road and try to make it a higher speed route for the Semis.  Ugh

A little birdy told me that this might happen within the next 5 years...
I am intrigued.

No birdy needed, all you need is a link to the Will County 2015-2020 TIP.
http://willcountyil.iqm2.com/Citizens/FileOpen.aspx?Type=4&ID=3127
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on December 27, 2017, 08:50:16 AM


No birdy needed, all you need is a link to the Will County 2015-2020 TIP.
http://willcountyil.iqm2.com/Citizens/FileOpen.aspx?Type=4&ID=3127

I noticed that the Weber Rd. / I-55 interchange is listed. Is the project finally beginning in earnest?  I did note that the car wash about a mile south of the interchange, which is in the plans as a construction staging area, has been torn down.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Revive 755 on December 28, 2017, 06:40:29 PM
It appears Illinois has a new bannered state route:  A SPUR IL 3 in East St. Louis.  Streetview (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6397346,-90.1573254,3a,20.9y,257.52h,87.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spqF41W8OvT3lgDYmkPQ-Lg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: kphoger on December 28, 2017, 07:12:14 PM
It appears Illinois has a new bannered state route:  A SPUR IL 3 in East St. Louis.  Streetview (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6397346,-90.1573254,3a,20.9y,257.52h,87.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spqF41W8OvT3lgDYmkPQ-Lg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)

Cool!

I found the press release here (http://www.idot.illinois.gov/Assets/uploads/files/About-IDOT/News/Construction-Releases/2016/D8-9/76850%20rel%2011-02-16.pdf) (.pdf warning), stating it opened just over a year ago.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on December 28, 2017, 07:56:22 PM
Does anyone at IDOT monitor buckling? I see IDOT attempted to repair some buckling on I-290, but did a terrible job. I notice that IDOT tends to just grind out the asphalt, but Michigan DOT tears up the asphalt and inserts 6" of concrete instead.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: JREwing78 on December 28, 2017, 11:08:47 PM
I doubt this weather is conducive to laying any kind of asphalt or concrete.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: silverback1065 on December 31, 2017, 02:51:35 PM
I doubt this weather is conducive to laying any kind of asphalt or concrete.

it's not.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: kphoger on December 31, 2017, 03:46:55 PM
A friend of mine has been laying concrete here in Wichita for his job with the city.  He's laying it over a sewer main, though, so there's heat from underground.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: abefroman329 on January 02, 2018, 09:53:02 AM
Wasn't that wide grassy median put there as a routing for a potential future CTA Red Line extension?

Mike

You may be thinking of I-57, in which case, yes, it was.

Yea, half-awake brainfart.

:-p

Mike

Happens to the best of us.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on January 02, 2018, 10:09:03 AM
Interesting Tribune article...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/wisniewski/ct-met-new-year-transportation-getting-around-20171231-story.html

Looks like the Weber Rd. / I-55 interchange construction will begin this year - Finally - and the first phase of the widening of I-80 through Joliet will begin, with the widening of the overpasses.  At least that's what I hope that blurb means...
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: ET21 on January 02, 2018, 12:26:33 PM
Interesting Tribune article...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/wisniewski/ct-met-new-year-transportation-getting-around-20171231-story.html

Looks like the Weber Rd. / I-55 interchange construction will begin this year - Finally - and the first phase of the widening of I-80 through Joliet will begin, with the widening of the overpasses.  At least that's what I hope that blurb means...

I-88 rehab work between IL-56 and IL-251. Asphalt was just done about 4-5 years ago, so maybe we'll see some early prep work on the IL-47 interchange along with the bridge rebuilds.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on January 02, 2018, 12:46:02 PM
Interesting Tribune article...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/wisniewski/ct-met-new-year-transportation-getting-around-20171231-story.html

Looks like the Weber Rd. / I-55 interchange construction will begin this year - Finally - and the first phase of the widening of I-80 through Joliet will begin, with the widening of the overpasses.  At least that's what I hope that blurb means...

Thoroughly enjoying the writer's allegory of the Jane Byrne Interchange as a "concrete soap opera."
Illinois is broke, so I totally understand the fare hikes on the entire Chicagoland transit trifecta.

What the heck are they going to do to the I-94/IL-132 interchange THIS time??  They just reworked that thing!

I take the I-80 bridges in Joliet every day...how come I haven't heard of them rebuilding those?  They desperately need a rebuild because those bridges are old as shit and need more capacity.  I'm happy to hear about it, but it's going to make my commute suck for a while.

And GOOD GOD O'Hare really needed a rework of its rental car system--hearing about a project to rework that mess is excellent news!
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on January 02, 2018, 01:31:08 PM
Interesting Tribune article...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/wisniewski/ct-met-new-year-transportation-getting-around-20171231-story.html

Looks like the Weber Rd. / I-55 interchange construction will begin this year - Finally - and the first phase of the widening of I-80 through Joliet will begin, with the widening of the overpasses.  At least that's what I hope that blurb means...

What the heck are they going to do to the I-94/IL-132 interchange THIS time??  They just reworked that thing!

The article said US-41/IL-132 interchange.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on January 02, 2018, 03:03:13 PM

I take the I-80 bridges in Joliet every day...how come I haven't heard of them rebuilding those?  They desperately need a rebuild because those bridges are old as shit and need more capacity.  I'm happy to hear about it, but it's going to make my commute suck for a while.


I think that's part of the I-80Will.com project, IIRC

EDIT:  Here it is...

http://i-80will.com/typography.html (http://i-80will.com/typography.html)

Quote
Stage 2: Interim Rehabilitation Improvements

To extend the service life of the I-80 corridor until a long-term improvement can be completed, the Department has undertaken a Phase I Study targeted at a major rehabilitation of the corridor. The work required to extend the service life includes approximately 2.5 lane miles of reconstructed roadway east and west of the Des Plaines River, specifically between Chicago Street and the Rowell Avenue / Wisconsin Central Limited (WCL) Railroad bridge and just east of the Joliet Junction Trail bridge to just west of the Wheeler Avenue bridge. The reconstructed roadway will maintain the existing cross-section but will also build future lanes as shoulders in the near-term to maximize salvageability. The reconstructed roadway will tie into the existing interchanges with some slight modifications. In addition to the roadway work, 15 bridges will have deck replacement and widening with some concrete repairs to extend their service life and 10 bridges will have total structure replacement and widening. Overlays, concrete repairs, and maintenance work will also occur at bridges at seven other locations. Guardrail and drainage improvements with some in-line detention storage will also be incorporated into various areas throughout the study limits where deficiencies have been identified.

The staging of these improvements were broken into reasonable construction packages that could be implemented over several years. The Department is currently preparing construction plans for the Package A contract (between Chicago Street and the Rowell Avenue / WCL Railroad bridge). The anticipated letting for the eastbound package is March 2018 followed by the westbound package contingent upon plan readiness, land acquisition, obtaining all necessary environmental permitting and funding availability through the Departments Annual Legislative appropriations. Two other packages make up the Near-Term improvements. Package B work involves re-decking and repair to the Des Plaines River truss bridges. Package C work involves reconstruction/repair of select bridges and the roadway west of the Des Plaines River.

The packages were based on a priority for completion provided by the Department with respect to maintenance requirements and other advanced work prior to the future reconstruction of I-80. Packaging and advance work also incorporates necessary construction staging to maintain two lanes of traffic in each direction always during construction activities for all projects.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: johndoe780 on January 03, 2018, 12:20:42 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/wisniewski/ct-met-new-year-transportation-getting-around-20171231-story.html

Work also will continue on the eastbound Kennedy from Cumberland to Harlem Avenues; the U.S. Highway 41 and Illinois Highway 132 interchange; 159th Street reconstruction in Homer Glen and Orland Park; and Illinois Highway 120 bridges.

IDOT plans to begin rebuilding the Weber Road Interchange of I-55 in Romeoville and rehabilitating and widening I-80 bridges from Illinois Highway 53 to Rowell Avenue in Joliet.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Henry on January 03, 2018, 09:39:28 AM
I can't wait to see the new Circle Interchange when it's completed in three years.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: abefroman329 on January 03, 2018, 10:52:02 AM
And GOOD GOD O'Hare really needed a rework of its rental car system--hearing about a project to rework that mess is excellent news!

As awful as the process of picking up a car is if you arrive at ORD by plane, it's ten times worse if you arrive at ORD on a Pace bus to pick up a car, since then you have to take the people mover from the Remote Parking stop to T3, walk down to Arrivals, and take a rental car shuttle to the agency you passed over on the people mover.

I hope the extension of the people mover includes additional trains, since I would expect ridership to increase dramatically once the rental car center/parking garage open.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on January 03, 2018, 11:04:03 AM
And GOOD GOD O'Hare really needed a rework of its rental car system--hearing about a project to rework that mess is excellent news!

As awful as the process of picking up a car is if you arrive at ORD by plane, it's ten times worse if you arrive at ORD on a Pace bus to pick up a car, since then you have to take the people mover from the Remote Parking stop to T3, walk down to Arrivals, and take a rental car shuttle to the agency you passed over on the people mover.

I hope the extension of the people mover includes additional trains, since I would expect ridership to increase dramatically once the rental car center/parking garage open.


Wouldn't it be cheaper (and easier) to rent a car offsite of ORD if you are not flying in?  My son lives in Chicago and doesn't have a car.  When he needs one, he Ubers (or walks) to the nearest Enterprise location.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: inkyatari on January 03, 2018, 11:13:49 AM
And GOOD GOD O'Hare really needed a rework of its rental car system--hearing about a project to rework that mess is excellent news!

As awful as the process of picking up a car is if you arrive at ORD by plane, it's ten times worse if you arrive at ORD on a Pace bus to pick up a car, since then you have to take the people mover from the Remote Parking stop to T3, walk down to Arrivals, and take a rental car shuttle to the agency you passed over on the people mover.

I hope the extension of the people mover includes additional trains, since I would expect ridership to increase dramatically once the rental car center/parking garage open.


Wouldn't it be cheaper (and easier) to rent a car offsite of ORD if you are not flying in?  My son lives in Chicago and doesn't have a car.  When he needs one, he Ubers (or walks) to the nearest Enterprise location.

I guess it could depend on what type of vehicle you rent, but yeah, I'd tend to agree.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: abefroman329 on January 03, 2018, 03:46:32 PM
And GOOD GOD O'Hare really needed a rework of its rental car system--hearing about a project to rework that mess is excellent news!

As awful as the process of picking up a car is if you arrive at ORD by plane, it's ten times worse if you arrive at ORD on a Pace bus to pick up a car, since then you have to take the people mover from the Remote Parking stop to T3, walk down to Arrivals, and take a rental car shuttle to the agency you passed over on the people mover.

I hope the extension of the people mover includes additional trains, since I would expect ridership to increase dramatically once the rental car center/parking garage open.


Wouldn't it be cheaper (and easier) to rent a car offsite of ORD if you are not flying in?  My son lives in Chicago and doesn't have a car.  When he needs one, he Ubers (or walks) to the nearest Enterprise location.

Not necessarily.  Cars rented from an offsite location usually have a higher base rate which offsets the lower amount of taxes and fees.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: Brandon on January 03, 2018, 05:02:58 PM
And GOOD GOD O'Hare really needed a rework of its rental car system--hearing about a project to rework that mess is excellent news!

As awful as the process of picking up a car is if you arrive at ORD by plane, it's ten times worse if you arrive at ORD on a Pace bus to pick up a car, since then you have to take the people mover from the Remote Parking stop to T3, walk down to Arrivals, and take a rental car shuttle to the agency you passed over on the people mover.

I hope the extension of the people mover includes additional trains, since I would expect ridership to increase dramatically once the rental car center/parking garage open.


Wouldn't it be cheaper (and easier) to rent a car offsite of ORD if you are not flying in?  My son lives in Chicago and doesn't have a car.  When he needs one, he Ubers (or walks) to the nearest Enterprise location.

Not necessarily.  Cars rented from an offsite location usually have a higher base rate which offsets the lower amount of taxes and fees.

Depends.  It's a long way to rent a vehicle at O'Hare from most places around the region.  You'd spend more in gas and tolls.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: kphoger on January 03, 2018, 05:31:23 PM
And GOOD GOD O'Hare really needed a rework of its rental car system--hearing about a project to rework that mess is excellent news!

As awful as the process of picking up a car is if you arrive at ORD by plane, it's ten times worse if you arrive at ORD on a Pace bus to pick up a car, since then you have to take the people mover from the Remote Parking stop to T3, walk down to Arrivals, and take a rental car shuttle to the agency you passed over on the people mover.

I hope the extension of the people mover includes additional trains, since I would expect ridership to increase dramatically once the rental car center/parking garage open.


Wouldn't it be cheaper (and easier) to rent a car offsite of ORD if you are not flying in?  My son lives in Chicago and doesn't have a car.  When he needs one, he Ubers (or walks) to the nearest Enterprise location.

Not necessarily.  Cars rented from an offsite location usually have a higher base rate which offsets the lower amount of taxes and fees.

Depends.  It's a long way to rent a vehicle at O'Hare from most places around the region.  You'd spend more in gas and tolls.

Does not apply.  A transfer (Ventra card) is $2.55.  Of course, Pace bus to O'Hare isn't all that convenient to most people, so it's reasonable to add in the cost of a Metra ticket as well.

The only time I've used Pace bus either to or from O'Hare was upon arrival.  I took #330 down to Lake Street, grabbed a bite to eat at a greasy spoon that's no longer in business (Deluxe Grill), hoofed it across the Global II rail yard to the staircase (that's also no longer there) down to the Bellwood Metra station.  Then I got to wait for my train under the Mannheim overpass after dark, which is probably not the safest place to be.

The only other times I've taken transit to O'Hare, I took the L.  In fact, I once went from Wheaton to O'Hare by using two Pace buses to get me to the 54th/Cermak blue (now pink) line station, then transferred to the L and took it the entire way through downtown and back out to the airport.  That was more convenient than messing with Pace #330 up Mannheim easier than getting Metra and Pace schedules to line up on a weekend.  And, because it was only two transfers total, it was cheaper too.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on January 04, 2018, 09:35:12 AM
Wouldn't it be cheaper (and easier) to rent a car offsite of ORD if you are not flying in?  My son lives in Chicago and doesn't have a car.  When he needs one, he Ubers (or walks) to the nearest Enterprise location.

That's just it.  If you need an uber from the airport to get to your rental car, that's a sign your in-place transit infrastructure is garbage.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on January 04, 2018, 11:42:59 AM
Wouldn't it be cheaper (and easier) to rent a car offsite of ORD if you are not flying in?  My son lives in Chicago and doesn't have a car.  When he needs one, he Ubers (or walks) to the nearest Enterprise location.

That's just it.  If you need an uber from the airport to get to your rental car, that's a sign your in-place transit infrastructure is garbage.


I think you should probably read the thread again.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: paulthemapguy on January 06, 2018, 03:56:14 PM
I think you should probably read the thread again.

No.  What I stated is a personal opinion.

A bit parochial, but the new signal at Laraway and Spencer was activated this week, in New Lenox.  That's an update for all you Joliet-area folks.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: MNHighwayMan on January 07, 2018, 12:26:33 AM
I think you should probably read the thread again.
No.  What I stated is a personal opinion.

And one I think would be shared by most reasonable people. What use is an airport if you can't get to it except by expensive or rather difficult means?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on January 07, 2018, 08:11:40 AM
I think you should probably read the thread again.
No.  What I stated is a personal opinion.

And one I think would be shared by most reasonable people. What use is an airport if you can't get to it except by expensive or rather difficult means?


It is neither difficult nor expensive to get to O'Hare.  I just question why someone would go to O'Hare to rent a car versus, you know, flying somewhere.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: abefroman329 on January 08, 2018, 09:20:14 AM
I think you should probably read the thread again.
No.  What I stated is a personal opinion.

And one I think would be shared by most reasonable people. What use is an airport if you can't get to it except by expensive or rather difficult means?


It is neither difficult nor expensive to get to O'Hare.  I just question why someone would go to O'Hare to rent a car versus, you know, flying somewhere.

One may not own a car, or one may be married but living in a one-car household.  Most of the time, one finds the local public transit sufficient, but one may need a car on occasion, but not frequently enough to purchase a car or a second car.  One may also find it much cheaper to rent said car at ORD than from a local agency.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on January 08, 2018, 09:39:28 AM
I think you should probably read the thread again.
No.  What I stated is a personal opinion.

And one I think would be shared by most reasonable people. What use is an airport if you can't get to it except by expensive or rather difficult means?


It is neither difficult nor expensive to get to O'Hare.  I just question why someone would go to O'Hare to rent a car versus, you know, flying somewhere.

One may not own a car, or one may be married but living in a one-car household.  Most of the time, one finds the local public transit sufficient, but one may need a car on occasion, but not frequently enough to purchase a car or a second car.  One may also find it much cheaper to rent said car at ORD than from a local agency.


That's fine.  But don't complain about it.  It's an airport whose rental car companies cater to people flying in, not to local people renting cars.  It's probably less than 1% of their customer base.
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: MNHighwayMan on January 08, 2018, 11:56:37 AM
One may not own a car, or one may be married but living in a one-car household.  Most of the time, one finds the local public transit sufficient, but one may need a car on occasion, but not frequently enough to purchase a car or a second car.  One may also find it much cheaper to rent said car at ORD than from a local agency.
That's fine.  But don't complain about it.  It's an airport whose rental car companies cater to people flying in, not to local people renting cars.  It's probably less than 1% of their customer base.

Christ… do you know how entitled that makes you sound?
Title: Re: Illinois notes
Post by: SEWIGuy on January 08, 2018, 12:02:20 PM
One may not own a car, or one may be ma