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Title: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: A.J. Bertin on September 28, 2015, 05:45:30 PM
My partner and I just returned home to Michigan from a road trip to South Dakota and back, but with a detour up to Fargo and the Twin Cities on our way home. I drove a total of 2,758 miles, added 54 new counties, added 3 new states, and got to clinch significant stretches of highways I had not been on before. It was quite an adventure!

This past Friday night we stayed in the tourist-trap town of Wall, South Dakota. The Motel 6 we stayed at did not have any breakfast, so we needed to find something on the road. We were thinking a sit-down place like Bob Evans, Denny's, Perkins, or something local would have been perfect. If we couldn't find anything along those lines, a McDonald's would have sufficed. Well, we had a hard time finding a place to eat breakfast. I was astounded that we didn't see a single McDonald's between Rapid City and Mitchell (I think Mitchell was where the next McDonald's was). Mitchell is 220 miles from Wall and we couldn't wait that long. We eventually found an open diner in the town of Murdo which served a pretty good breakfast. However, Murdo is 82 miles from Wall.

It was crazy that it took us so long to find a good breakfast place. Yes, South Dakota is pretty desolate. However, we were on a frickin' Interstate! I s'pose we could have gone back into Wall's business district, but we just wanted to get on I-90 and made some headway on our drive as early as possible. We did see a couple of Subways, but I really didn't want to try their breakfast at that time.

Has anyone else noticed this along I-90 in South Dakota and been frustrated by it?
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: oscar on September 28, 2015, 06:09:50 PM
It was crazy that it took us so long to find a good breakfast place. Yes, South Dakota is pretty desolate. However, we were on a frickin' Interstate! I s'pose we could have gone back into Wall's business district, but we just wanted to get on I-90 and made some headway on our drive as early as possible. We did see a couple of Subways, but I really didn't want to try their breakfast at that time.

Has anyone else noticed this along I-90 in South Dakota and been frustrated by it?

Welcome to the West! At least the 80 mph Interstate speed limits in the Dakotas really help bridge the gaps between services (including the ~140 mile gap I experienced in July, driving south between Fargo and Watertown SD).
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: froggie on September 28, 2015, 08:48:37 PM
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South Dakota is pretty desolate.

There's your answer...

Just because it's a major Interstate doesn't mean there's the critical mass to support the types of restaurants you were looking for.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: roadman65 on September 28, 2015, 09:00:35 PM
That is why there is Wall Drugs.  Tourist trap, yes!  However, after a long drive you will eat anyplace.

Also, did you ever consider buying cold cuts at Safeway and using the rest areas to consume them?  Much healthier option than fast food.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: A.J. Bertin on September 28, 2015, 11:13:55 PM
Welcome to the West! At least the 80 mph Interstate speed limits in the Dakotas really help bridge the gaps between services (including the ~140 mile gap I experienced in July, driving south between Fargo and Watertown SD).

I obviously don't have a ton of experience driving across the West, so I had no prior idea that it would be as tough as it was for us to find something. Now I know!

I too loved the 80mph speed limit. It was nice setting the cruise at 85 and just flying down the Interstate. We ended up having lunch in the Sioux Falls area and hopped on I-29 north to our evening destination of Fargo. I wasn't paying too much attention to the lack of services on I-29 until we needed gas, but we ended up having enough gas to get to Fargo comfortably.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: A.J. Bertin on September 28, 2015, 11:21:25 PM
That is why there is Wall Drugs.  Tourist trap, yes!  However, after a long drive you will eat anyplace.

I was definitely naive about this. We wanted to get on the road by 6 a.m. Saturday, and we knew that the Wall Drug store didn't open until 7. I think we were under the assumption that the restaurant probably didn't open until at least 7 as well. We could have looked into that further, but again... we were just trying to get on the road early and make some headway on our drive. Live and learn.

Also, did you ever consider buying cold cuts at Safeway and using the rest areas to consume them?  Much healthier option than fast food.

No we did not consider this. When we travel, we're generally not the kind of people who pack lunches like that. We eat at restaurants when we travel. true, it's not necessarily healthy or cheaper, but it is what it is. Safeway did not cross our minds at all. Plus, our mobile data was limited and we wouldn't have known how far off 90 we would have had to venture to find a grocery store.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: froggie on September 29, 2015, 08:23:10 AM
They have Safeway in South Dakota...?
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 29, 2015, 01:36:34 PM
Well, we had a hard time finding a place to eat breakfast....

...I s'pose we could have gone back into Wall's business district, but we just wanted to get on I-90 and made some headway on our drive as early as possible. We did see a couple of Subways, but I really didn't want to try their breakfast at that time....

So it's not that there weren't choices...they just wasn't something that YOU wanted.

Heck, I could be in the middle of a 50 restaurant food court, but if none of those places don't have what I want, should I say I had a hard time finding a place for breakfast?
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: Brandon on September 29, 2015, 03:19:10 PM
Welcome to the West! At least the 80 mph Interstate speed limits in the Dakotas really help bridge the gaps between services (including the ~140 mile gap I experienced in July, driving south between Fargo and Watertown SD).

I obviously don't have a ton of experience driving across the West, so I had no prior idea that it would be as tough as it was for us to find something. Now I know!

It's a bit like driving through the UP on a larger scale.  Longer distances between towns and towns that have the services you want/need.  And if you think South Dakota was bad, try driving through the night along US-6 in Nevada.  There literally are no motorist services for about 160 miles between Tonopah and Ely.  As we were pulling a trailer, we tanked up in Tonopah, and then Ely, just to make sure we had fuel to make it to the next town.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: oscar on September 29, 2015, 04:09:53 PM
They have Safeway in South Dakota...?

Yes, at least two locations in the western part of the state, including Rapid City. But not Wall, Mitchell, or Sioux Falls.

Safeway is all over the place (including Alaska, Hawaii, and parts of Canada), though it isn't everywhere.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: Brandon on September 29, 2015, 05:09:23 PM
They have Safeway in South Dakota...?

Yes, at least two locations in the western part of the state, including Rapid City. But not Wall, Mitchell, or Sioux Falls.

Safeway is all over the place (including Alaska, Hawaii, and parts of Canada), though it isn't everywhere.

Since being subsumed by Albertson's, it's in a lot more places than it ever used to be, although under the local name (one might just as well say Safeway is now Albertson's).  Growing up, I always thought Safeway and Macy's were Hollywood fake names for grocers and department stores.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: A.J. Bertin on September 29, 2015, 09:40:04 PM
Well, we had a hard time finding a place to eat breakfast....

...I s'pose we could have gone back into Wall's business district, but we just wanted to get on I-90 and made some headway on our drive as early as possible. We did see a couple of Subways, but I really didn't want to try their breakfast at that time....

So it's not that there weren't choices...they just wasn't something that YOU wanted.

Heck, I could be in the middle of a 50 restaurant food court, but if none of those places don't have what I want, should I say I had a hard time finding a place for breakfast?

Give me a break. This was a new experience for me. I'm just not used to being on an Interstate and not having much to choose from. Again... it was a live-and-learn experience.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: Rothman on September 29, 2015, 10:10:10 PM
They have Safeway in South Dakota...?

Yes, at least two locations in the western part of the state, including Rapid City. But not Wall, Mitchell, or Sioux Falls.

Safeway is all over the place (including Alaska, Hawaii, and parts of Canada), though it isn't everywhere.

Evidently, "all over the place" includes 17 states + DC. (http://local.safeway.com/) :D
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: oscar on September 29, 2015, 10:40:37 PM
They have Safeway in South Dakota...?

Yes, at least two locations in the western part of the state, including Rapid City. But not Wall, Mitchell, or Sioux Falls.

Safeway is all over the place (including Alaska, Hawaii, and parts of Canada), though it isn't everywhere.

Evidently, "all over the place" includes 17 states + DC. (http://local.safeway.com/) :D

But widely scattered states, in five time zones (in the U.S. states, missing only Central -- but there's a Safeway in Winnipeg, where I bought gas, and some other Manitoba cities all the way north to Thompson, to cover that time zone).
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: jwolfer on September 30, 2015, 02:03:25 PM
That is why there is Wall Drugs.  Tourist trap, yes!  However, after a long drive you will eat anyplace.

Also, did you ever consider buying cold cuts at Safeway and using the rest areas to consume them?  Much healthier option than fast food.
Cold cuts are necessarily healthier. Publix subs are good stuff, but most grocery store subs are not
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: Alex on September 30, 2015, 03:50:41 PM
As mentioned up thread, there are very little food options between Fargo and Watertown, SD along I-29 as well, and from there south to Sioux Falls (outside Brookings) is vastly devoid of anything too. I am really good at going long distances when roadding without eating though, so the coffee in West Fargo held me over.

The 80 MPH speed limit in SD was great, but the fuel mileage difference was quite noticeable especially as we watched the fuel range drop to below 10 miles just before we gassed up off US 12. Very fuel service stations on that same stretch south from Fargo.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: Brandon on September 30, 2015, 06:17:31 PM
As mentioned up thread, there are very little food options between Fargo and Watertown, SD along I-29 as well, and from there south to Sioux Falls (outside Brookings) is vastly devoid of anything too. I am really good at going long distances when roadding without eating though, so the coffee in West Fargo held me over.

The 80 MPH speed limit in SD was great, but the fuel mileage difference was quite noticeable especially as we watched the fuel range drop to below 10 miles just before we gassed up off US 12. Very fuel service stations on that same stretch south from Fargo.

Wahpeton, ND is about 10 miles east of I-29 part way between Fargo and Watertown and has a lot of fuel and dining options from what I saw when I had to stop there.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: froggie on October 03, 2015, 07:05:33 AM
Wahpeton has about 8,000 population (plus 4K more in Breckenridge across the river), so I'd expect them to have some options.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: SD Mapman on October 03, 2015, 09:17:15 PM
They have Safeway in South Dakota...?
Yes. We do. 2 in Rapid (maybe 3?) and one in Spearfish.

This past Friday night we stayed in the tourist-trap town of Wall, South Dakota. The Motel 6 we stayed at did not have any breakfast, so we needed to find something on the road. We were thinking a sit-down place like Bob Evans, Denny's, Perkins, or something local would have been perfect. If we couldn't find anything along those lines, a McDonald's would have sufficed. Well, we had a hard time finding a place to eat breakfast. I was astounded that we didn't see a single McDonald's between Rapid City and Mitchell (I think Mitchell was where the next McDonald's was). Mitchell is 220 miles from Wall and we couldn't wait that long. We eventually found an open diner in the town of Murdo which served a pretty good breakfast. However, Murdo is 82 miles from Wall.

It was crazy that it took us so long to find a good breakfast place. Yes, South Dakota is pretty desolate. However, we were on a frickin' Interstate! I s'pose we could have gone back into Wall's business district, but we just wanted to get on I-90 and made some headway on our drive as early as possible. We did see a couple of Subways, but I really didn't want to try their breakfast at that time.

Has anyone else noticed this along I-90 in South Dakota and been frustrated by it?
You just have to know where to eat. I don't think the supposed lack of services along I-90 is a problem; they're just really all the same. When you consider that the average population of a town on I-90 between Rapid and Mitchell is about 1,000 (if that!), you have to adjust your expectations accordingly.

I think we only have like 10 Perkins' in the state (or some small number like that). I've never heard of a Bob Evans.

Also, the closest McD's is in Chamberlain, a mile off of Exit 263.

As mentioned up thread, there are very little food options between Fargo and Watertown, SD along I-29 as well, and from there south to Sioux Falls (outside Brookings) is vastly devoid of anything too. I am really good at going long distances when roadding without eating though, so the coffee in West Fargo held me over.

The 80 MPH speed limit in SD was great, but the fuel mileage difference was quite noticeable especially as we watched the fuel range drop to below 10 miles just before we gassed up off US 12. Very fuel service stations on that same stretch south from Fargo.
You just have to learn to be able to eat sketchy gas station food.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: A.J. Bertin on October 04, 2015, 10:09:35 AM
When you consider that the average population of a town on I-90 between Rapid and Mitchell is about 1,000 (if that!), you have to adjust your expectations accordingly.

True. Prior to going on this trip, I hadn't really thought about that. I'm from Michigan and am not used to driving on a long stretch of Interstate with such few dining options. I didn't know in advance that it would be like that. My whole point in posting this topic was to make an observation and give people a head's up who might be planning a drive on this stretch of I-90 who aren't aware of the lack of dining options there. My intent was not to emphasize how naive I was about this, but I clearly did that and have gotten a few condescending remarks that I wasn't anticipating.

I think we only have like 10 Perkins' in the state (or some small number like that). I've never heard of a Bob Evans.

That's cool. I love both of those restaurant chains. I kinda grew up with Bob Evans here in Michigan and didn't discover Perkins until I was a teenager.

Also, the closest McD's is in Chamberlain, a mile off of Exit 263.

We considered Chamberlain but both agreed we didn't want to wait that long. If we had no choice though, we would have.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: Duke87 on October 04, 2015, 04:50:11 PM
Has anyone else noticed this along I-90 in South Dakota and been frustrated by it?

Noticed it? Yes. Frustrated? Nah. My girlfirend and I got on I-90 in Murdo and with it getting to be about lunchtime we said "alright, we'll stop at the next McDonald's or whatever that we see". When she looked it up on her phone and said it looked like the next one was in Rapid City, I just rolled with it and said "okay, on to Rapid City then!"

What's interesting is despite the fact that we came up a non-interstate route (US 83), we experienced a shorter gap between McDonald'ses than you did. Valentine, NE (where there is a McDonald's) is considerably closer to Murdo than Mitchell is.

if you think South Dakota was bad, try driving through the night along US-6 in Nevada.  There literally are no motorist services for about 160 miles between Tonopah and Ely.

Ha, yes, I intentionally sought out this road for that exact reason. Left Ely at 6 AM or so. Heading west out of town I passed a few vehicles coming the other way but after a bit the oncoming traffic ceased and I didn't see a single other soul for more than an hour, despite covering close to 80 miles in that time. 'Twas quite an experience.

Of course, I thought it was fun because I was prepared for it. I'd hate to be the person who starts this journey with 100 miles of gas left in their tank not realizing it's considerably longer than that until their next opportunity to get any more.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: roadman65 on October 04, 2015, 05:22:27 PM
Back in 01 I stayed the night in Fountain, CO and woke up to have breakfast.  Being that Fountain had nothing I wanted as there was nothing as a sit down place, but only convenience stores to eat snack or junk on the run hot stuff, I thought I would catch something along I-25.  Of course being spoiled in the south with high mast signs of the restaurants at interchanges of interstates, I thought I would see them in Colorado Springs, Denver, and places between them, but I did not.

Though I am sure McDonalds, Dennys, etc were in those big cities, I just wanted to move and did not want to play cat and mouse at each interchange taking chances that one mile east or west of I-25 I would eventually find one, I rode until one came into view of the road.  Notta!  It was not until Cheyenne where I found an IHOP, as it was after 11 AM I arrived in Wyoming, and IHOP does serve breakfast all day.  Nonetheless I had my breakfast during lunch time, and later that eve at a whole pizza at a Pizza Hut in Rapid City, my ultimate destination of that trip.

So even a road like I-25 where I rode for four hours (as it is quite a long distance from Fountain, CO to Cheyenne, WY) and did not see one EZ on and off for a simple meal going through two large population centers.  Yes, I might of missed a lot in Denver, but the point to the OP sometimes we fix ourselves on one specific item and we overlook other obvious choices given to us.  And yes Florida and all along I-75 and I-95 are spoiled as food places are everywhere and at the side of the road near the interchanges.  I then learned that all the areas along those two Florida interstates are there because of the snowbirds and summer vacationers as even I-10 does not even have a fraction of what those two have.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: SD Mapman on October 04, 2015, 08:46:08 PM
Has anyone else noticed this along I-90 in South Dakota and been frustrated by it?
What's interesting is despite the fact that we came up a non-interstate route (US 83), we experienced a shorter gap between McDonald'ses than you did. Valentine, NE (where there is a McDonald's) is considerably closer to Murdo than Mitchell is.
True, but Chamberlain is closer to Murdo. (Not sure why I'm supporting Chamberlain in this...)
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: noelbotevera on October 04, 2015, 09:06:24 PM
Most of my travels have been in the east and I remember a gap in services between McConnellsburg and Breezewood. There's nothing but mountains.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: SD Mapman on October 04, 2015, 11:02:01 PM
Most of my travels have been in the east and I remember a gap in services between McConnellsburg and Breezewood. There's nothing but mountains.
Uh, that's 20 miles.
Wall to Mitchell is like 220 miles (but there is service in there, just not higher-end stuff).
Maybe it's a cultural thing, but I'm completely used to not blinking an eye at hour-long or greater gaps in service.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: corco on October 04, 2015, 11:17:40 PM
Yeah, one thing you learn about driving in the west is that if it's just a dot on the map, that's not a guarantee of anything. It has to be among the bigger sized dots to have any guarantee of service.

I remember my parents having the same level of shock when we moved from Illinois to Idaho and drove west for the first time. We almost ran out of gas in Wyoming, expecting there to be gas in places that are absolutely place names on the map but don't actually have anything.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: oscar on October 04, 2015, 11:23:20 PM
Most of my travels have been in the east and I remember a gap in services between McConnellsburg and Breezewood. There's nothing but mountains.
Uh, that's 20 miles.
Wall to Mitchell is like 220 miles (but there is service in there, just not higher-end stuff).

Even farther west, I-70 in Utah has absolutely no services for the 106 miles between Salina and Green River. And it gets even worse off the Interstates in other western states (do a search on this forum for topics on "next services" or "next gas" signs).
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: SD Mapman on October 04, 2015, 11:26:31 PM
Yeah, one thing you learn about driving in the west is that if it's just a dot on the map, that's not a guarantee of anything. It has to be among the bigger sized dots to have any guarantee of service.

That's why, when I roadtrip, I have a cooler full of food and drink to snack on.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: jakeroot on October 05, 2015, 02:07:49 AM
Since being subsumed by Albertson's, it's in a lot more places than it ever used to be, although under the local name (one might just as well say Safeway is now Albertson's).  Growing up, I always thought Safeway and Macy's were Hollywood fake names for grocers and department stores.

So you're saying that Alberton's bought most of the Safeways? Very interesting. Out here in Seattle, a local chain (Haggens) bought almost all of the Albertson's and Top Foods and turned them into Haggen's (though there are some (read: a tiny amount of) remaining Albertson's). On many streets, the two competing grocers are Safeway and Albertson's. Come to think of it, I'm fairly certain that Haggens may have bough quite a few of the Safeways as well, which means some main avenues have grocers all owned by Haggens. A bit monopolistic for my taste, but I'll hold my judgement until I see any price adjustments (though I chiefly shop at the JBLM commissary so I really couldn't give too much of a shit).
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: oscar on October 05, 2015, 06:43:15 AM
So you're saying that Alberton's bought most of the Safeways? Very interesting. Out here in Seattle, a local chain (Haggens) bought almost all of the Albertson's and Top Foods and turned them into Haggen's (though there are some (read: a tiny amount of) remaining Albertson's). On many streets, the two competing grocers are Safeway and Albertson's. Come to think of it, I'm fairly certain that Haggens may have bough quite a few of the Safeways as well, which means some main avenues have grocers all owned by Haggens. A bit monopolistic for my taste, but I'll hold my judgement until I see any price adjustments (though I chiefly shop at the JBLM commissary so I really couldn't give too much of a shit).

Actually, the sale of some Safeway and Albertson's stores to Haggens was the result of a settlement earlier this year of antitrust charges by the Federal Trade Commission, which was a condition for the FTC letting the rest of the Safeway-Albertson's merger proceed uncontested. The FTC also required the merged company to spit out grocery stores in some other markets. All these sales were done under FTC supervision. So if you end up with price gouging after the FTC-ordered sales, complain to the FTC.

From a quick glance at some of the settlement documents, the settlement deal was negotiated by the FTC office where I worked until my retirement four years ago, though not much of my work there involved grocery mergers. I know some of the people on the case, both at the FTC and with the law firm representing the merging companies.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: Brandon on October 05, 2015, 06:45:12 AM
Since being subsumed by Albertson's, it's in a lot more places than it ever used to be, although under the local name (one might just as well say Safeway is now Albertson's).  Growing up, I always thought Safeway and Macy's were Hollywood fake names for grocers and department stores.

So you're saying that Alberton's bought most of the Safeways? Very interesting. Out here in Seattle, a local chain (Haggens) bought almost all of the Albertson's and Top Foods and turned them into Haggen's (though there are some (read: a tiny amount of) remaining Albertson's).

Yes, Albertson's bought Safeway: https://web.archive.org/web/20150131092052/http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/its-a-done-deal-albertsons-and-safeway-merger-is-complete.html/
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: roadman65 on October 05, 2015, 07:29:33 AM
If Albertsons bought Safeway, that is something because they closed all their stores in Florida due to "Hey we are broke we can no longer be you neighborhood grocer."
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: kkt on October 05, 2015, 02:20:21 PM
Yeah, one thing you learn about driving in the west is that if it's just a dot on the map, that's not a guarantee of anything. It has to be among the bigger sized dots to have any guarantee of service.

That's why, when I roadtrip, I have a cooler full of food and drink to snack on.

As opposed to, say, a jerrican full of gas?
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: SD Mapman on October 05, 2015, 03:27:41 PM
Yeah, one thing you learn about driving in the west is that if it's just a dot on the map, that's not a guarantee of anything. It has to be among the bigger sized dots to have any guarantee of service.

That's why, when I roadtrip, I have a cooler full of food and drink to snack on.

As opposed to, say, a jerrican full of gas?

Nah, gas is everywhere (at least where I've gone).
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: noelbotevera on October 05, 2015, 03:32:16 PM
Yeah, one thing you learn about driving in the west is that if it's just a dot on the map, that's not a guarantee of anything. It has to be among the bigger sized dots to have any guarantee of service.

That's why, when I roadtrip, I have a cooler full of food and drink to snack on.

As opposed to, say, a jerrican full of gas?

Nah, gas is everywhere (at least where I've gone).
Yes, that's true. You find it when you gotta release it.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: oscar on October 05, 2015, 04:11:00 PM
Yeah, one thing you learn about driving in the west is that if it's just a dot on the map, that's not a guarantee of anything. It has to be among the bigger sized dots to have any guarantee of service.

That's why, when I roadtrip, I have a cooler full of food and drink to snack on.

As opposed to, say, a jerrican full of gas?

Nah, gas is everywhere (at least where I've gone).

And even where it isn't, I'd be worried about routinely carrying a jerrican in an enclosed space. The two I have warn against that.

I didn't carry extra gas on a few trips with a ~250-mile gap between gas stations (which pretty much doesn't exist in the lower 48). Only once, a ~300-mile round trip on a rough unpaved road in a mountainous area (both hurt your gas mileage), with zero gas availability, and with open side windows in my truck's camper shell.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: kkt on October 05, 2015, 05:28:00 PM
I remember driving west on I-80 into Utah in January of 1998, we didn't fill up along I-80 because there had been plenty of gas stations.  But we turned onto I-84 towards Ogden and suddenly no more gas stations visible or signed.  We were running on fumes at Mountain Green and took the exit even though there was no sign of gas from the freeway, hoping we could at least use a phone to call AAA from there... but there was a gas station, a grubby independent that was only open in the daytime, but we filled our tank... and didn't risk trying the rest room.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: jakeroot on October 05, 2015, 05:42:09 PM
Since being subsumed by Albertson's, it's in a lot more places than it ever used to be, although under the local name (one might just as well say Safeway is now Albertson's).  Growing up, I always thought Safeway and Macy's were Hollywood fake names for grocers and department stores.

So you're saying that Alberton's bought most of the Safeways? Very interesting. Out here in Seattle, a local chain (Haggens) bought almost all of the Albertson's and Top Foods and turned them into Haggen's (though there are some (read: a tiny amount of) remaining Albertson's).

Yes, Albertson's bought Safeway: https://web.archive.org/web/20150131092052/http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/its-a-done-deal-albertsons-and-safeway-merger-is-complete.html/

That's just weird to see. The Albertson's out here in Seattle are nowhere near as popular or nice as the Safeways. I never would have imagined the former buying the latter. In fact, I was sure that Haggens bought all the Albertson's because Albertson's was, financially, not doing very good (at least that's the vibe I got, anyways). The Albertson's out here must not have been performing well; to have almost all of their grocery store's bought out by a smaller chain is pretty strange.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: SD Mapman on October 05, 2015, 06:17:24 PM
Since being subsumed by Albertson's, it's in a lot more places than it ever used to be, although under the local name (one might just as well say Safeway is now Albertson's).  Growing up, I always thought Safeway and Macy's were Hollywood fake names for grocers and department stores.

So you're saying that Alberton's bought most of the Safeways? Very interesting. Out here in Seattle, a local chain (Haggens) bought almost all of the Albertson's and Top Foods and turned them into Haggen's (though there are some (read: a tiny amount of) remaining Albertson's).

Yes, Albertson's bought Safeway: https://web.archive.org/web/20150131092052/http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/its-a-done-deal-albertsons-and-safeway-merger-is-complete.html/

That's just weird to see. The Albertson's out here in Seattle are nowhere near as popular or nice as the Safeways. I never would have imagined the former buying the latter. In fact, I was sure that Haggens bought all the Albertson's because Albertson's was, financially, not doing very good (at least that's the vibe I got, anyways). The Albertson's out here must not have been performing well; to have almost all of their grocery store's bought out by a smaller chain is pretty strange.
I like Safeway. Albertson's, in my experience, is not good at all.
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: kkt on October 05, 2015, 06:26:13 PM
Metropolitan Market bought an Albertsons near me about six years ago, but I think that was a single store sale.  Recently some were bought by Haggen, but I understand Haggen bit off more than it could chew and is now filing for bankruptcy itself.  Kind of too bad, I liked the Haggens in Bellingham and hoped they'd stick around nearer to me.

http://blogs.wsj.com/bankruptcy/2015/10/05/will-your-haggen-grocery-store-get-sold-under-new-deal/
Title: Re: Very few dining options along I-90 in South Dakota
Post by: The Nature Boy on October 05, 2015, 06:41:19 PM
There are none around me for hundreds of miles.

I honestly thought it was just a DC area thing until recently.