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Title: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Sub-Urbanite on September 09, 2017, 04:34:56 PM
Per the Las Vegas Sun, a contract to replace signs is out. Goodbye, I-515, hello, I-11.

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/sep/09/more-interstate-11-signs-on-the-way/
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: myosh_tino on September 10, 2017, 01:06:05 AM
Goodbye, I-515, hello, I-11.

I wouldn't put I-515 out to pasture too hastily.  The section to be renumbered as I-11 only accounts for the southern 5 miles of I-515's routing.  From what I understand, the northern 15 miles from I-215 to I-15 will remain signed as I-515.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Henry on September 10, 2017, 11:58:11 AM
So, another I-22 situation then? I was pretty much expecting I-11 to consume all of I-515, but I guess we'll have to see when the whole thing is completed to the border.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Sub-Urbanite on September 10, 2017, 01:28:44 PM
Sorry, I wasn't implying I-515 is being retired entirely… looks like it's just from I-215 south that it's going away.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: roadfro on September 10, 2017, 02:36:38 PM
So, another I-22 situation then? I was pretty much expecting I-11 to consume all of I-515, but I guess we'll have to see when the whole thing is completed to the border.

The ultimate routing through Las Vegas has not yet been determined. It could take over I-515/US 95, or use I-215/CC 215 to the northwest, or go around via Lake Mead and the northern leg of CC 215.

This resigning was approved by AASHTO previously. It is likely being done now just to officially connect the I-11 Boulder City Bypass project (and existing Hoover Dam Bypass) to an existing portion of the Interstate system.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Max Rockatansky on September 10, 2017, 04:10:04 PM
Really it would be hard to go too far astray if you were dumb enough to be 100% reliant out there, both US 93 and US 95 still meet I-40 with nominal travel time differences to Phoenix. :rolleyes:  Sure makes the whole I-11 project seem a little more real now that actual shields are going to be posted, I've had enough of all the talk and type leading up to this.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: jp the roadgeek on September 10, 2017, 04:57:07 PM
Looks like Google Maps has already jumped the gun and put up an I-11 shield
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: ATLRedSoxFan on September 10, 2017, 07:38:00 PM
Has Arizona even turned a spade of dirt regarding the I-11 poroject? Sounds like I-11 will disappear at the AZ line or just over the bridge.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: sparker on September 10, 2017, 07:46:35 PM
Looks like Google Maps has already jumped the gun and put up an I-11 shield

That's been up (actually, 2 of them!) for several days now.

Has Arizona even turned a spade of dirt regarding the I-11 poroject? Sounds like I-11 will disappear at the AZ line or just over the bridge.

On that note, it'll be interesting to see if any I-11 reassurance shields are posted on the Arizona approach to the bridge as well as in Nevada.   
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: KeithE4Phx on September 10, 2017, 08:11:34 PM
Has Arizona even turned a spade of dirt regarding the I-11 poroject? Sounds like I-11 will disappear at the AZ line or just over the bridge.

On that note, it'll be interesting to see if any I-11 reassurance shields are posted on the Arizona approach to the bridge as well as in Nevada.   

I haven't seen anything related to this as yet from ADOT.  AFAIK, there is only one "freeway-level" exit on the Arizona side, and that's old US 93 that goes to the AZ side of Hoover Dam.  It's been a couple of years since I was up there, but I don't recall any more than that.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: kdk on September 11, 2017, 03:44:42 AM
Has Arizona even turned a spade of dirt regarding the I-11 poroject? Sounds like I-11 will disappear at the AZ line or just over the bridge.

On that note, it'll be interesting to see if any I-11 reassurance shields are posted on the Arizona approach to the bridge as well as in Nevada.   

I haven't seen anything related to this as yet from ADOT.  AFAIK, there is only one "freeway-level" exit on the Arizona side, and that's old US 93 that goes to the AZ side of Hoover Dam.  It's been a couple of years since I was up there, but I don't recall any more than that.

There are some minor projects going on, but nothing that ADOT has advertised as far as being an I-11 project the way NDOT has.  They first 15 or so miles south of the bridge going into Arizona are up to freeway standards with the exception of two turnoffs that aren't used to much if any traffic, and could easily be closed off.  The next 10 or so miles south of that are currently being worked on with shoulder widening to bring those lanes up to freeway standards.  The problem though beyond that is then you run into the gas stations along 93 that have direct access to the road, and adding bridges and limited access there with interchanges won't be as easy to gradually do, haven't seen any plans on when that will start.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Sub-Urbanite on September 11, 2017, 10:28:26 AM
Has Arizona even turned a spade of dirt regarding the I-11 poroject? Sounds like I-11 will disappear at the AZ line or just over the bridge.

In a way, the entirety of their US 93 work between I-40 and Wickenburg has been I-11 work – first twinning the road, with the next phase to add exits. I don't think we'd even be having an I-11 discussion if ADOT hadn't been twinning 93.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: The Ghostbuster on September 11, 2017, 02:24:47 PM
If I was the one calling the shots on Interstate 11's route through Las Vegas, I would have it replace Interstate 515 in its entirety. I believe that would be the most logical course of action.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: KeithE4Phx on September 11, 2017, 02:45:54 PM
Has Arizona even turned a spade of dirt regarding the I-11 poroject? Sounds like I-11 will disappear at the AZ line or just over the bridge.

In a way, the entirety of their US 93 work between I-40 and Wickenburg has been I-11 work – first twinning the road, with the next phase to add exits. I don't think we'd even be having an I-11 discussion if ADOT hadn't been twinning 93.

There are a couple of major issues with turning 93 between Wickenburg and I-40 into a freeway, as opposed to just a 4-lane divided highway:  A couple dozen (at least) ranch turnoffs and the town of Wikieup.

The ranches will still need access, but I don't see any way to build ramps for what are essentially single properties -- not cost-effective.  They'd have to remain at-grade intersections.  IIRC, this is how they are (or were, last time I was on it, in 1994) on I-40 in Texas.

Plus, a freeway would turn the already-depressed Wikieup into a ghost town.  Most of the town is already dead, but there are a couple of restaurants and a good souvenir shop that do good business.  Bypassing it would kill it.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Sub-Urbanite on September 11, 2017, 04:02:30 PM
One other note on this – I wonder if they'll re-number the former I-515 segment to follow I-11's numbering. As it stands, the Railroad Pass exit is Exit 15 (based on I-11 distance to Arizona border), which then jumps to Exit 56 (US 95 distance to California) and up at the next exit.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: sparker on September 11, 2017, 05:30:46 PM
Has Arizona even turned a spade of dirt regarding the I-11 poroject? Sounds like I-11 will disappear at the AZ line or just over the bridge.

In a way, the entirety of their US 93 work between I-40 and Wickenburg has been I-11 work – first twinning the road, with the next phase to add exits. I don't think we'd even be having an I-11 discussion if ADOT hadn't been twinning 93.

There are a couple of major issues with turning 93 between Wickenburg and I-40 into a freeway, as opposed to just a 4-lane divided highway:  A couple dozen (at least) ranch turnoffs and the town of Wikieup.

The ranches will still need access, but I don't see any way to build ramps for what are essentially single properties -- not cost-effective.  They'd have to remain at-grade intersections.  IIRC, this is how they are (or were, last time I was on it, in 1994) on I-40 in Texas.

Plus, a freeway would turn the already-depressed Wikieup into a ghost town.  Most of the town is already dead, but there are a couple of restaurants and a good souvenir shop that do good business.  Bypassing it would kill it.

When I-11 indeed comes through Wikieup, it certainly won't pull a quasi-Breezewood and become a boulevard through town to insure survival of the businesses there; I haven't seen specific plans, but I'll bet there will be at least one interchange serving town.  It's located far enough from both Wickenburg and Kingman to have utility as an en-route service facility.  The chances are that either the freeway will be close enough for access to the restaurants -- or, alternately, that the restaurants and souvenir shop will relocate to the interchange (particularly if part of a "gas & food" setup).  This sort of situation has occurred before in AZ along I-40 and, to some extent, I-10; the fact that there are still viable business at interchanges and along frontage roads gives some level of credence to the potential for a similar outcome along I-11. 

And because of the area's relative isolation, it's likely that there will be continued ranch access via locked gates in a manner similar to I-40 west of Amarillo.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: kkt on September 11, 2017, 10:08:45 PM
Bypass around the west side of Wikieup and put a diamond at Chicken Springs Road.

Also, see if they can attract the Wikipedia headquarters building.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Max Rockatansky on September 11, 2017, 10:14:54 PM
Hell I would be curious to see if I-11 just wipes out Nothing or it just gets left hanging behind fencing off the side of the Interstate:

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3948/32630553714_e10f49c113_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RHs7MG)3074864363176 (https://flic.kr/p/RHs7MG) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

Hell put a diamond interchange up for Burro Creek Road.  :-D
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: KeithE4Phx on September 11, 2017, 10:38:59 PM
Hell I would be curious to see if I-11 just wipes out Nothing or it just gets left hanging behind fencing off the side of the Interstate:

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3948/32630553714_e10f49c113_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RHs7MG)3074864363176 (https://flic.kr/p/RHs7MG) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

Hell put a diamond interchange up for Burro Creek Road.  :-D

All that's left of Nothing is the sign and a really large (roughly 200 feet tall) cellular tower, with lots of solar cells powering the site.

It's already 4 lanes there, with Nothing being visible mostly from the northbound lanes of 93. 
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Max Rockatansky on September 11, 2017, 10:41:34 PM
Hell I would be curious to see if I-11 just wipes out Nothing or it just gets left hanging behind fencing off the side of the Interstate:

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3948/32630553714_e10f49c113_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RHs7MG)3074864363176 (https://flic.kr/p/RHs7MG) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

Hell put a diamond interchange up for Burro Creek Road.  :-D

It's already 4 lanes there, with Nothing being visible mostly from the northbound lanes of 93.  All that's left of Nothing is the sign and a really large (roughly 200 feet tall) solar-powered cellular tower, with lots of solar cells powering the site.

The last time I was by the ruins of the pizza place and rock shop were still there.  Sounds like someone went through and demolished the remains that made it through the fire. 
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: KeithE4Phx on September 11, 2017, 10:58:07 PM
Hell I would be curious to see if I-11 just wipes out Nothing or it just gets left hanging behind fencing off the side of the Interstate:

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3948/32630553714_e10f49c113_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RHs7MG)3074864363176 (https://flic.kr/p/RHs7MG) by Max Rockatansky (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151828809@N08/), on Flickr

Hell put a diamond interchange up for Burro Creek Road.  :-D

It's already 4 lanes there, with Nothing being visible mostly from the northbound lanes of 93.  All that's left of Nothing is the sign and a really large (roughly 200 feet tall) solar-powered cellular tower, with lots of solar cells powering the site.

The last time I was by the ruins of the pizza place and rock shop were still there.  Sounds like someone went through and demolished the remains that made it through the fire.

The cell tower has been there at least two years.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Sub-Urbanite on September 12, 2017, 12:27:49 PM
If Seligman and Ash Fork can survive, so can Wikieup.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Max Rockatansky on September 12, 2017, 12:48:11 PM
If Seligman and Ash Fork can survive, so can Wikieup.

They survive on tourism, the only saving grace possibly for Wikieup is that it might be a handy place to put in a Flying J or something given it is the only inhabited place between Wickenburg and Kingman.  Not like Nothing is around to service the brand gas and pizza needs of the weary Vegas bound traveler anymore. 

What about Santa Claus?  Will Santa's land get an exit and frontage road?...inquiring minds want to know!
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 12, 2017, 03:03:54 PM
If I was the one calling the shots on Interstate 11's route through Las Vegas, I would have it replace Interstate 515 in its entirety. I believe that would be the most logical course of action.

Agreed.  And now is the time to do it.  That way it's a single change for the entire stretch from I-15 to Arizona.

I-11's dubious future aspirations can follow US 95 the rest of the way through Vegas.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: dvferyance on September 13, 2017, 06:04:19 PM
This number makes no sense. Should be part of I-17 or at least I-13.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Sub-Urbanite on September 13, 2017, 06:23:36 PM
It makes less sense to pay several million dollars to re-number I-17 so that the numbering scheme can work

And Nevada is never going to support any "I-13"

This number makes no sense. Should be part of I-17 or at least I-13.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: ilpt4u on September 14, 2017, 08:11:48 PM
This number makes no sense. Should be part of I-17 or at least I-13.
I-21  :D

Even if it would be slightly out of place grid-wise, it would be in the right place for an Interstate Route 21

I-11 isn't too bad. Hopefully it gets named the "Yo Freeway" or perhaps "Aces Freeway"
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: adventurernumber1 on September 14, 2017, 09:33:38 PM
I am a full supporter of Interstate 11, but only if it goes all the way to Reno. You may say I'm nuts, which I completely understand and respect, because I am aware that an interstate corridor from Las Vegas to Reno would receive, very, very low traffic counts. However, with me being a grid nazi, my justification is that by that happening, that is the only way that I-11 would correctly fit in the grid, and that I'm good with. In all likelihood, Interstate 11 will not find itself actually going to Reno anytime soon, if ever. But even with that in mind, I find myself still a strong supporter of I-11, with the lingering hope that the interstate will someday make it to Reno. At the very least, it would probably be good for Interstate 11 to replace all of Interstate 515 in Las Vegas. Even better, it could also be designated along the US 95 freeway past I-15 all the way through the rest of the Las Vegas area - if that happened I-11 would end up being safe in the grid, but just barely. This would be a good situation to remain at for a long time, with no numbering errors, until the day if/when Interstate 11 gets extended further through Nevada to Reno. Quite frankly, I really don't see the point in terminating I-11 at the I-515/I-215 interchange - it should at least make it to Interstate 15 - but hopefully this is just a temporary thing. Nevertheless, this is exciting news to me to hear that more action is being taken on creating Interstate 11.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: KeithE4Phx on September 14, 2017, 11:06:33 PM
It makes less sense to pay several million dollars to re-number I-17 so that the numbering scheme can work

And Nevada is never going to support any "I-13"

This number makes no sense. Should be part of I-17 or at least I-13.

Not only would it be too costly, not to mention unnecessary, but ADOT has a policy about not dual-signing highways for long distances unless absolutely necessary (such as I-40/US 93 east of Kingman and I-10 & 17/US 60 from the Broadway Curve to Thomas Rd).  No way will I-17 be renumbered as I-19, duplexed with I-10 between Phoenix and Tucson.  That would be necessary if I-11 was to be renumbered as I-17.  The days of the US 60-70-80-89/AZ 93 multiplex from hell through metro Phoenix are long over.

All those pipe-dreams about I-11 being multiplexed with I-10 and/or I-19 are just that -- pipe dreams.  Unless it replaces SR 85 from I-10 to the border, there is zero need whatsoever for I-11 south of I-10, and I'll be shocked if it's ever built.  Central and southern AZ have other needs as far as freeways go, such as in Pinal County, where people actually live, as well as somehow convincing folks in Tucson that freeways are a good thing.  :-D

There's really little need for it south of I-40, although it will happen.  The 4-laning of US 93 is more than adequate for the traffic it carries.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: mrsman on September 15, 2017, 10:33:49 AM
I am a full supporter of Interstate 11, but only if it goes all the way to Reno. You may say I'm nuts, which I completely understand and respect, because I am aware that an interstate corridor from Las Vegas to Reno would receive, very, very low traffic counts. However, with me being a grid nazi, my justification is that by that happening, that is the only way that I-11 would correctly fit in the grid, and that I'm good with. In all likelihood, Interstate 11 will not find itself actually going to Reno anytime soon, if ever. But even with that in mind, I find myself still a strong supporter of I-11, with the lingering hope that the interstate will someday make it to Reno. At the very least, it would probably be good for Interstate 11 to replace all of Interstate 515 in Las Vegas. Even better, it could also be designated along the US 95 freeway past I-15 all the way through the rest of the Las Vegas area - if that happened I-11 would end up being safe in the grid, but just barely. This would be a good situation to remain at for a long time, with no numbering errors, until the day if/when Interstate 11 gets extended further through Nevada to Reno. Quite frankly, I really don't see the point in terminating I-11 at the I-515/I-215 interchange - it should at least make it to Interstate 15 - but hopefully this is just a temporary thing. Nevertheless, this is exciting news to me to hear that more action is being taken on creating Interstate 11.  :thumbsup:

Is the current freeway portion of US 95, west of I-15, interstate standard?
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: sparker on September 15, 2017, 11:58:35 AM
It makes less sense to pay several million dollars to re-number I-17 so that the numbering scheme can work

And Nevada is never going to support any "I-13"

This number makes no sense. Should be part of I-17 or at least I-13.

Not only would it be too costly, not to mention unnecessary, but ADOT has a policy about not dual-signing highways for long distances unless absolutely necessary (such as I-40/US 93 east of Kingman and I-10 & 17/US 60 from the Broadway Curve to Thomas Rd).  No way will I-17 be renumbered as I-19, duplexed with I-10 between Phoenix and Tucson.  That would be necessary if I-11 was to be renumbered as I-17.  The days of the US 60-70-80-89/AZ 93 multiplex from hell through metro Phoenix are long over.

All those pipe-dreams about I-11 being multiplexed with I-10 and/or I-19 are just that -- pipe dreams.  Unless it replaces SR 85 from I-10 to the border, there is zero need whatsoever for I-11 south of I-10, and I'll be shocked if it's ever built.  Central and southern AZ have other needs as far as freeways go, such as in Pinal County, where people actually live, as well as somehow convincing folks in Tucson that freeways are a good thing.  :-D

There's really little need for it south of I-40, although it will happen.  The 4-laning of US 93 is more than adequate for the traffic it carries.

It'll probably be built down to I-10 -- either via the long-planned Hassayampa corridor, which will tentatively intersect I-10 a bit west of the current I-10/AZ 85 interchange, or, if a more direct route into Phoenix itself is sought, then SE paralleling US 60 to Loop 303 before using that route to access I-10.  The whole concept of taking the Hassayampa option further southeast toward Casa Grande was to (a) provide an outer Phoenix bypass for itself as well as I-10, and (b) to expedite development of the territory south of Phoenix -- in other words, "infill" between Phoenix and Tucson, centered around Casa Grande.  The latter is speculative; the prospects for the former will likely depend upon how soon after completion the Loop 202 west extension, now under development, will become congested. 

Even then, an effective Phoenix bypass could be deployed simply by bringing AZ 85 out to Interstate standards, including a Gila Bend bypass; this would be the most cost-effective extension of I-11 -- provided, of course, that the Hassayampa River corridor option survives.  If by chance I-11 is returned to the US 60 alignment/trajectory, the extension to Casa Grande is deader than Elvis -- and AZ 85, if improved, would be designated as something else.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: roadfro on September 17, 2017, 10:35:57 AM
Quick update, from a recent drive through the opened segment: The "End I-515" sign just south of exit 56 has been replaced with a "South I-11" sign. Other than that, there is no other I-11 signage in the field yet. This sign was likely replaced to show the public where the publicized 2-mile open section begins, and to correspond with what has been updated on Google Maps, et al.


Is the current freeway portion of US 95, west of I-15, interstate standard?

It's mostly Interstate standard. However, there are some limited areas at/through some interchanges (through the Rainbow Curve; SB between the Centennial Bowl and exit 90) where the right hand shoulder is not Interstate standard width.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Sonic99 on September 17, 2017, 10:19:18 PM
That ship sailed many years ago.

This number makes no sense. Should be part of I-17 or at least I-13.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Pink Jazz on September 18, 2017, 06:36:10 PM
That ship sailed many years ago.

This number makes no sense. Should be part of I-17 or at least I-13.

Some have suggested combining the existing I-17 with I-19, with the combined route being known as I-19, with a concurrency with I-10 from Tucson to Phoenix.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: KeithE4Phx on September 18, 2017, 07:42:36 PM
That ship sailed many years ago.

This number makes no sense. Should be part of I-17 or at least I-13.

Some have suggested combining the existing I-17 with I-19, with the combined route being known as I-19, with a concurrency with I-10 from Tucson to Phoenix.

As I said above, ADOT has a policy of not doing that unless absolutely necessary -- certainly not on a 120 mile stretch.  I-17 will not be renumbered, and nobody with the authority to do so is even thinking about it.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Strider on September 18, 2017, 07:49:24 PM
Should have signed the whole thing I-11 from I-15 to where it ends currently.

Makes no sense to sign it I-515 and then I-11 after I-215 interchange. IMO.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: roadfro on September 18, 2017, 10:04:06 PM
Should have signed the whole thing I-11 from I-15 to where it ends currently.

Makes no sense to sign it I-515 and then I-11 after I-215 interchange. IMO.

Except that the it is not yet decided that I-11 will follow existing I-515 into downtown. Makes less sense to resign the entirety of I-515 now when not all of that route is certain to carry the number permanently.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: sparker on September 19, 2017, 05:46:09 PM
Should have signed the whole thing I-11 from I-15 to where it ends currently.

Makes no sense to sign it I-515 and then I-11 after I-215 interchange. IMO.

Except that the it is not yet decided that I-11 will follow existing I-515 into downtown. Makes less sense to resign the entirety of I-515 now when not all of that route is certain to carry the number permanently.

Question: is the "missing" east-quadrant leg of the 215 belt being reconsidered at this point -- or is something farther out from the city center also under consideration?  And is there any active proposal to reroute I-11 along the under-development composite 215 beltway around the south and west side of Las Vegas?  I'd think that absent any of the above, the optimal solution for NDOT would be to consider applying to redesignate I-515 -- along with extending the I-11 designation over US 95 at least to the 215 interchange northwest of town.  If other notions crop up in the future, it can be dealt with at that point.  Designating I-11 through town would lend some credence to the whole corridor concept -- a continuous route serving a large portion of Las Vegas before depositing one onto the US 93 expressway in AZ (complete with "Future I-11 Corridor" signage to drive the point home).

If this is done -- and a bypass reroute does occur later -- the in-town US 95 routing could easily be renumbered as a x11!   
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Sub-Urbanite on September 19, 2017, 07:59:59 PM
As I understand it, there are three corridors under consideration:

- One, using the existing southern and western 215 segments to US 95, then northward along 95.
- One, staying on the existing 95 alignment.
- One, on a new highway alignment on the east side of the city, then connecting to the northern segment of Highway 215, thence back to US 95.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: sparker on September 19, 2017, 09:38:16 PM
As I understand it, there are three corridors under consideration:

- One, using the existing southern and western 215 segments to US 95, then northward along 95.
- One, staying on the existing 95 alignment.
- One, on a new highway alignment on the east side of the city, then connecting to the northern segment of Highway 215, thence back to US 95.

Any maps or illustrations available regarding the potential alignments for the eastern option? 
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on September 20, 2017, 08:44:46 AM
As I understand it, there are three corridors under consideration:

- One, using the existing southern and western 215 segments to US 95, then northward along 95.
- One, staying on the existing 95 alignment.
- One, on a new highway alignment on the east side of the city, then connecting to the northern segment of Highway 215, thence back to US 95.

Looking at a map, keeping I-11 on the I-215 corridor and up through 95 would be the direct route for I-11 traffic.  The East alignment should be a new x11 or x15 interstate, or part of an I-215 loop if feasible.

Which begs the question, why is 215 only marked as an interstate for a quarter loop and as a Nevada state route for the rest of it's path?
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: roadfro on September 20, 2017, 10:38:10 AM
Question: is the "missing" east-quadrant leg of the 215 belt being reconsidered at this point -- or is something farther out from the city center also under consideration?  And is there any active proposal to reroute I-11 along the under-development composite 215 beltway around the south and west side of Las Vegas?  I'd think that absent any of the above, the optimal solution for NDOT would be to consider applying to redesignate I-515 -- along with extending the I-11 designation over US 95 at least to the 215 interchange northwest of town.  If other notions crop up in the future, it can be dealt with at that point.  Designating I-11 through town would lend some credence to the whole corridor concept -- a continuous route serving a large portion of Las Vegas before depositing one onto the US 93 expressway in AZ (complete with "Future I-11 Corridor" signage to drive the point home).

If this is done -- and a bypass reroute does occur later -- the in-town US 95 routing could easily be renumbered as a x11!
As I understand it, there are three corridors under consideration:

- One, using the existing southern and western 215 segments to US 95, then northward along 95.
- One, staying on the existing 95 alignment.
- One, on a new highway alignment on the east side of the city, then connecting to the northern segment of Highway 215, thence back to US 95.

The "missing east leg" of the 215 beltway is NOT being considered. There was a feasibility study done on an eastern beltway leg in the mid-2000s, but it was determined that this (no matter the alignment) would have had nearly a $1 billion price tag and the concept was abandoned. The high price tag would have been in large part due to right of way acquisition—the east side of the Las Vegas Valley was developed much earlier than the south/west/north, so the majority of an eastern beltway alignment would have been through existing developed land (whereas much of the constructed 215 right of way, especially along the west and north legs, was acquired prior to development reaching these areas).

The east alignment under consideration goes outside of the Las Vegas Valley, behind Sunrise & Frenchman Mountains through the Lake Mead NRA, around Nellis Air Force Base to reconnect to I-15, and comes back down to follow the north leg of the 215 over to US 95.


I haven't come across a nice, easily linkable photo of these options. If you go to the documents section of the www.i-11study.com website, the "Level 2 Evaluation Results Summary" gives illustrations of the alternatives under consideration in Nevada and Arizona.


Looking at a map, keeping I-11 on the I-215 corridor and up through 95 would be the direct route for I-11 traffic.  The East alignment should be a new x11 or x15 interstate, or part of an I-215 loop if feasible.

Which begs the question, why is 215 only marked as an interstate for a quarter loop and as a Nevada state route for the rest of it's path?

If I-11 follows one of the through-town alignments, the east alignment under consideration would not be constructed.

Your second question is a bit off-topic and probably has been answered in another thread...but whatever: The short version is that Clark County constructed the beltway, not NDOT. Portions currently existing as I-215 were constructed to Interstate standard from the beginning, whereas everything west/north of the I-15 junction was a patchwork of frontage roads, freeway segments, 4-lane roads, etc. upon initial construction—with traffic signals at the location of every future full interchange. So it was not able to be signed as an Interstate and was instead signed as Clark County Route 215.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: triplemultiplex on September 21, 2017, 05:14:51 PM
Putting I-11 on 215 would be stupid, in my opinion.  Ain't gonna be hardly any "thru" traffic just trying to get around Vegas.  I-11 traffic is going to freakin' Vegas, so send I-11 into freakin' Vegas and use US 95.  It boggles my mind that there is any question here.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: sparker on September 21, 2017, 06:03:42 PM
Putting I-11 on 215 would be stupid, in my opinion.  Ain't gonna be hardly any "thru" traffic just trying to get around Vegas.  I-11 traffic is going to freakin' Vegas, so send I-11 into freakin' Vegas and use US 95.  It boggles my mind that there is any question here.

Actually, the portion of I-215 west from (now) I-11 to I-15 comes closer to serving the "Strip" (S. Las Vegas Blvd.) -- the main locus of tourist "action" -- than does I-515, which flanks the north side of the Fremont Street "OG" casino center, which, while still maintaining some tourist cachet, has long been surpassed by the huge mass of hotels and entertainment well south of downtown.  Not surprised that there's some push to reroute I-11 over the west side of I-215 (and its "temporary" county extension) for just that reason (the syndicates, including Steve Wynn and associates, that own and manage many of the Strip attractions wouldn't mind that concept one little bit!) -- also, I-515 near the I-15 interchange has always been a bit of a slow slog regardless of the interchange rebuild (lots of local-server interchanges in a relatively short segment north of downtown), so commercial entities (truckers, distributors) looking at a full I-11 buildout extending north to at least US 95 north of town might also press for the western bypass option to avoid historic and potential center city congestion.  While I-515/US 95 is the proverbial "shortest line between two points", so to speak -- and it's in place right now -- it does have its shortcomings.  The matter likely won't be decided for several years (and several further studies, if S.O.P. is maintained!). 
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: myosh_tino on September 22, 2017, 12:51:23 AM
Now that I-11 is going to be signed, how is NDOT going to handle numbering exits along the new route?

Currently, exit numbers on I-515 are based on US 95's mileage which makes sense because US 95 becomes the through-route at the I-15 interchange in downtown Las Vegas.  Will the segment of I-11 from the Arizona/Nevada stateline to the junction with US 95 south of Bolder be numbered the traditional way starting with Exit 2 at NV-172 (old US 93) and then jump to somewhere around the mid-50's after US 95 merges with I-11?
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: bugo on September 22, 2017, 05:07:38 AM
Plus, a freeway would turn the already-depressed Wikieup into a ghost town.  Most of the town is already dead, but there are a couple of restaurants and a good souvenir shop that do good business.  Bypassing it would kill it.

Too bad so sad. Hundreds or even thousands of towns have been bypassed all over the country over the years. It's a part of the cycle of life. They can simply build an interchange at CR 131 and US 93 will still have access to the businesses.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: bugo on September 22, 2017, 05:19:36 AM
1. Is the Boulder City bypass open to traffic?
2. Does/will US 93 still go through Boulder City or does/will it follow the bypass south of town?
3. What will happen to the section of US 95 from the bypass to current/former US 93 west of Boulder City? Will it remain US 95 or will US 95 follow the bypass?
4. I-11 should absolutely follow I-515 north of I-215.
5. If you think I-11 will be built north of Vegas in the next 100 years you're high.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: roadfro on September 23, 2017, 12:07:05 PM
Now that I-11 is going to be signed, how is NDOT going to handle numbering exits along the new route?

Currently, exit numbers on I-515 are based on US 95's mileage which makes sense because US 95 becomes the through-route at the I-15 interchange in downtown Las Vegas.  Will the segment of I-11 from the Arizona/Nevada stateline to the junction with US 95 south of Bolder be numbered the traditional way starting with Exit 2 at NV-172 (old US 93) and then jump to somewhere around the mid-50's after US 95 merges with I-11?

I haven't seen anything official, but I'd guess that your hunch would be correct. I don't think NDOT will make any major changes to exit numbers until they've decided how I-11 will be routed.

Whatever the ultimate I-11 routing is, I'm hoping NDOT will use the realignment of US 95 onto the BC bypass as an excuse to finally fix some exit number inconsistencies on US 95. I believe there's a number/milepost mismatch or two somewhere on the I-515 portion (along the part to be renumbered south of I-215), and there's an unexplained jump from exit 85 to exit 90 in northwest LV that has bugged me for years. </rant>


1. Is the Boulder City bypass open to traffic?

No (except for the short portion of new southbound lanes opened to accommodate other construction). We have a Boulder City Bypass thread (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=15134) that will cover more of the construction discussion.

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2. Does/will US 93 still go through Boulder City or does/will it follow the bypass south of town?

Currently US 93 still goes through Boulder City, but will be rerouted when the full bypass is completed in 2018—existing US 93 through town will be renumbered US 93 Business (and has already been renamed "Boulder City Pkwy"). The Boulder City Bypass project was developed as an effort to relieve US 93 traffic congestion in BC, long before the I-11 concept was conceived.

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3. What will happen to the section of US 95 from the bypass to current/former US 93 west of Boulder City? Will it remain US 95 or will US 95 follow the bypass?

US 95 will be rerouted to the bypass when NDOT's phase 1 construction segment (Railroad Pass to US 95) is completed later this year. I am not sure what they plan to do number-wise with that mile or so of existing US 95 between the bypass and the current US 93 interchange.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Sub-Urbanite on September 25, 2017, 01:23:34 PM
Random I-11 musing: How many other 2di's don't intersect any other 2di's?

Not that this is a permanent condition, but it is (in theory) an interesting bit of trivia.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: 1 on September 25, 2017, 01:25:06 PM
Random I-11 musing: How many other 2di's don't intersect any other 2di's?

Not that this is a permanent condition, but it is (in theory) an interesting bit of trivia.

I-2, I-97

That should be it.

(I-99 reaches I-86.)
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: NE2 on September 25, 2017, 02:41:54 PM
I-2 ends at I-69E.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: kdk on September 25, 2017, 04:36:16 PM
Should have signed the whole thing I-11 from I-15 to where it ends currently.

Makes no sense to sign it I-515 and then I-11 after I-215 interchange. IMO.

Except that the it is not yet decided that I-11 will follow existing I-515 into downtown. Makes less sense to resign the entirety of I-515 now when not all of that route is certain to carry the number permanently.

Question: is the "missing" east-quadrant leg of the 215 belt being reconsidered at this point -- or is something farther out from the city center also under consideration?  !

Looks like you weren't the only one asking-  https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/news-columns/road-warrior/215-beltway-in-las-vegas-was-never-planned-as-a-full-loop/

Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: sparker on September 25, 2017, 05:48:25 PM
Random I-11 musing: How many other 2di's don't intersect any other 2di's?

Not that this is a permanent condition, but it is (in theory) an interesting bit of trivia.

I-2, I-97

That should be it.


(I-99 reaches I-86.)
I-2 ends at I-69E.

And I-69C ends at I-2.  Also, I-99 (southern segment) intersects 2 other interstate facilities  (albeit at indirect or surface-road interchanges); only the initial NY segment from the PA state line to I-86 features a high-speed interchange at the latter.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: vdeane on September 25, 2017, 08:49:13 PM
Technically the southern I-99 ends just shy of I-80.  I'd hardly consider I-76/I-70 and I-99 both having an interchange with business US 220 close to each other to be connecting with each other.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: sparker on September 26, 2017, 04:18:10 PM
Technically the southern I-99 ends just shy of I-80.  I'd hardly consider I-76/I-70 and I-99 both having an interchange with business US 220 close to each other to be connecting with each other.

Neither would I -- hence the indirect term in my previous post.  It's more of an "implied" connection, FWIW, which in too many instances seems to be SOP for PA Turnpike connections.     
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: The Ghostbuster on September 28, 2017, 05:56:36 PM
Does anyone think an eastern bypass should have been built as part of the 215 Las Vegas Beltway? If so, what alignment would you have suggested it would take?
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: roadfro on September 29, 2017, 09:59:46 AM
Does anyone think an eastern bypass should have been built as part of the 215 Las Vegas Beltway? If so, what alignment would you have suggested it would take?

IIRC, the feasibility study that was done in the early 2000s suggested a routing that would tie into I-515 at either at I-215 or around Charleston, and mainly used a north/south alignment falling mostly on or near to either Nellis Blvd or Pecos Road, and then tied into I-15 somewhere near Nellis AFB. (I thought I had saved the file years ago, but I can't find it right now to confirm.)
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on September 29, 2017, 01:18:39 PM
Any I-11 signs released into the wild yet?
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: mapman1071 on September 29, 2017, 08:37:35 PM
Random I-11 musing: How many other 2di's don't intersect any other 2di's?

Not that this is a permanent condition, but it is (in theory) an interesting bit of trivia.

I-76, I-81
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: 1 on September 29, 2017, 08:43:06 PM
Random I-11 musing: How many other 2di's don't intersect any other 2di's?

Not that this is a permanent condition, but it is (in theory) an interesting bit of trivia.

I-76, I-81

You're misinterpreting the question. I-81 doesn't qualify because of I-90, I-64, etc. Same with I-76 (although with different Interstates).

On the other hand, I-97 (as I mentioned earlier) intersects several 3dis, but no 2dis.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Tarkus on September 29, 2017, 10:27:31 PM
Any I-11 signs released into the wild yet?

Yes, as roadfro mentioned on the last page, there's one at what used to be the end of I-515 on the south side of Henderson, headed southbound.  It's right around the spot Google Maps signs as I-11.  Drove through Vegas last week and saw it myself, though as I was in the midst of driving from Reno to Phoenix (along pretty much all of what would be I-11's proposed corridor), I didn't stop to take a picture.  IIRC, the directional banner was white--it looked like a rather hasty/temporary installation.

(Side Note: There was also a rather hilarious . . . modification . . . done to a sign pointing to Bullhead City going northbound, coming out of Boulder City, along the same lines of Alps' avatar.  Also sadly didn't get a picture when I went through on Tuesday.)



Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: michravera on September 29, 2017, 10:40:12 PM
If I was the one calling the shots on Interstate 11's route through Las Vegas, I would have it replace Interstate 515 in its entirety. I believe that would be the most logical course of action.

Agreed.  And now is the time to do it.  That way it's a single change for the entire stretch from I-15 to Arizona.

I-11's dubious future aspirations can follow US 95 the rest of the way through Vegas.

Oh, come on now! Everyone knows that the last couple of exits on US-95 into Las Vegas will be signed as I-711!
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: GreenLanternCorps on September 30, 2017, 02:15:36 PM
Any I-11 signs released into the wild yet?

Yes, as roadfro mentioned on the last page, there's one at what used to be the end of I-515 on the south side of Henderson, headed southbound.  It's right around the spot Google Maps signs as I-11.  Drove through Vegas last week and saw it myself, though as I was in the midst of driving from Reno to Phoenix (along pretty much all of what would be I-11's proposed corridor), I didn't stop to take a picture.  IIRC, the directional banner was white--it looked like a rather hasty/temporary installation.

(Side Note: There was also a rather hilarious . . . modification . . . done to a sign pointing to Bullhead City going northbound, coming out of Boulder City, along the same lines of Alps' avatar.  Also sadly didn't get a picture when I went through on Tuesday.)

Cool.  And I think you are the first person on this site to clinch Interstate 11...
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: roadfro on October 01, 2017, 04:34:39 PM
Any I-11 signs released into the wild yet?

Yes, as roadfro mentioned on the last page, there's one at what used to be the end of I-515 on the south side of Henderson, headed southbound.  It's right around the spot Google Maps signs as I-11.  Drove through Vegas last week and saw it myself, though as I was in the midst of driving from Reno to Phoenix (along pretty much all of what would be I-11's proposed corridor), I didn't stop to take a picture.  IIRC, the directional banner was white--it looked like a rather hasty/temporary installation.

(Side Note: There was also a rather hilarious . . . modification . . . done to a sign pointing to Bullhead City going northbound, coming out of Boulder City, along the same lines of Alps' avatar.  Also sadly didn't get a picture when I went through on Tuesday.)

I'm in Vegas again this week, and drove out there again due to a report I saw that I-11 signs were going up. I can confirm that the above mentioned I-11 sign is still the only one up (and it does have a black-on-white direction banner, and would agree it was a probably a hasty install.

Cool.  And I think you are the first person on this site to clinch Interstate 11...

Well, I "clinched" I-11 it two weeks ago when I made that post...but that's just the southbound lanes that are open... Nobody can really clinch it now, or even the future corridor, until the bypass project is done and the corridor alignments are decided.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: capt.ron on October 02, 2017, 02:10:15 PM
Has Arizona even turned a spade of dirt regarding the I-11 poroject? Sounds like I-11 will disappear at the AZ line or just over the bridge.

On that note, it'll be interesting to see if any I-11 reassurance shields are posted on the Arizona approach to the bridge as well as in Nevada.   

I haven't seen anything related to this as yet from ADOT.  AFAIK, there is only one "freeway-level" exit on the Arizona side, and that's old US 93 that goes to the AZ side of Hoover Dam.  It's been a couple of years since I was up there, but I don't recall any more than that.
I just got back from my road trip. I spotted a couple of "Future I-11" signs on US 93 after crossing into Arizona from Nevada. Pavement on the southbound lanes is rough with mostly no shoulders on either side of lanes. They will have to work on their ROW and eliminate the "bunny hills" on US 93 before it becomes I-11. Speed limit on the Arizona section from the state line to just short of I-40 is 65.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 02, 2017, 03:03:18 PM
Has Arizona even turned a spade of dirt regarding the I-11 poroject? Sounds like I-11 will disappear at the AZ line or just over the bridge.

On that note, it'll be interesting to see if any I-11 reassurance shields are posted on the Arizona approach to the bridge as well as in Nevada.   

I haven't seen anything related to this as yet from ADOT.  AFAIK, there is only one "freeway-level" exit on the Arizona side, and that's old US 93 that goes to the AZ side of Hoover Dam.  It's been a couple of years since I was up there, but I don't recall any more than that.
I just got back from my road trip. I spotted a couple of "Future I-11" signs on US 93 after crossing into Arizona from Nevada. Pavement on the southbound lanes is rough with mostly no shoulders on either side of lanes. They will have to work on their ROW and eliminate the "bunny hills" on US 93 before it becomes I-11. Speed limit on the Arizona section from the state line to just short of I-40 is 65.

A little after the 9-11 attacks US 93 began to be upgraded north of I-40 to the Hoover Dam to an expressway.  Those narrow southbound lanes you mentioned are the original two-lane configuration of US 93, the northbound lanes are the newer construction.  Interestingly there is actually a ghost town on the Arizona side of southbound US 93 called "Santa Claus" which likely won't survive the I-11 upgrade whenever it happens.  I believe the "Future I-11" BGS has been present ever since the corridor has been designated as a future Interstate.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Sub-Urbanite on October 03, 2017, 11:20:53 AM
A little after the 9-11 attacks US 93 began to be upgraded north of I-40 to the Hoover Dam to an expressway.  Those narrow southbound lanes you mentioned are the original two-lane configuration of US 93, the northbound lanes are the newer construction.

Close, but not quite. 93 was 4-lanes from Golden Valley to just south of Willow Beach as early as 1992. The Golden Valley interchange came in in the early 2000s, and the LMNRA segment north of Willow Beach opened about the same time as the Hoover Dam Bypass.

US 95, on the other hand was rushed to 4 lanes from Boulder City to the Laughlin junction after 2001, because of the truck bypass.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Max Rockatansky on October 03, 2017, 11:28:16 AM
A little after the 9-11 attacks US 93 began to be upgraded north of I-40 to the Hoover Dam to an expressway.  Those narrow southbound lanes you mentioned are the original two-lane configuration of US 93, the northbound lanes are the newer construction.

Close, but not quite. 93 was 4-lanes from Golden Valley to just south of Willow Beach as early as 1992. The Golden Valley interchange came in in the early 2000s, and the LMNRA segment north of Willow Beach opened about the same time as the Hoover Dam Bypass.

US 95, on the other hand was rushed to 4 lanes from Boulder City to the Laughlin junction after 2001, because of the truck bypass.

Probably isn't helping my memory is skewed by the stretch of US 93 from Wickenburg north to I-40.  That was about the most awful thing ever trying to cross the Hoover Dam near New Years 2001. 
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Kniwt on October 04, 2017, 01:01:46 PM
Here it is, taken today. It's the same assembly that's been there for years, only with the "END 515" part replaced.

(https://i.imgur.com/hFNTC7W.jpg)
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: J N Winkler on October 04, 2017, 02:41:48 PM
I want to clarify the OP's comment that a "contract is out" for I-11 signing.  I have known for some time that Nevada DOT plans to do a pure signing contract to convert a length of existing freeway to I-11, but it has not been advertised yet, and I suspect the construction plans have not yet passed an early draft stage.

I have run across photologging for all 20 miles of I-515 and the existing guide signing seems quite tired, so I suspect a goal of the contract will be to replace all of the signs on I-515, those between I-215 and Railroad Pass containing pull-through messages for I-11 (where appropriate) while those between I-215 and I-15 leave room for future addition of I-11 shields depending on whether I-515 forms part of the adopted route for I-11 through Las Vegas.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: i-215 on October 04, 2017, 08:06:09 PM

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There are a couple of major issues with turning 93 between Wickenburg and I-40 into a freeway, as opposed to just a 4-lane divided highway:  A couple dozen (at least) ranch turnoffs and the town of Wikieup.

(https://i.imgur.com/wTVwJyh.png)

Just add a lateral exit that connects to a frontage road.  The frontage road can either dead end or, if it's a reasonable distance, connect it to the nearest cross street with a diamond. 

In either case, ranchers can use I-11 (or its frontage road) to make a U-turn at the nearest diamond if they need to left in or left out.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: roadfro on October 05, 2017, 09:59:27 AM
I want to clarify the OP's comment that a "contract is out" for I-11 signing.  I have known for some time that Nevada DOT plans to do a pure signing contract to convert a length of existing freeway to I-11, but it has not been advertised yet, and I suspect the construction plans have not yet passed an early draft stage.

I have run across photologging for all 20 miles of I-515 and the existing guide signing seems quite tired, so I suspect a goal of the contract will be to replace all of the signs on I-515, those between I-215 and Railroad Pass containing pull-through messages for I-11 (where appropriate) while those between I-215 and I-15 leave room for future addition of I-11 shields depending on whether I-515 forms part of the adopted route for I-11 through Las Vegas.
JN, where did you come across a photo log? Was it something NDOT produced?

You're not wrong on the tired signage along much of existing I-515. Much of it appears to be from original freeway construction, especially the southern stretch that is to be renumbered to I-11 (if original, it dates to approximately 1994-95). Many signs north of there could date to the 80s. NDOT has done some individual sign replacements recently, but a complete overhaul for most of the signs could be in order.

I suspect if they're doing full scale BGS replacements, they might upgrade the sheeting and remove sign lighting fixtures as well. That seems to be something NDOT is gradually moving towards.

LG-D850

Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: sparker on October 05, 2017, 04:25:53 PM

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There are a couple of major issues with turning 93 between Wickenburg and I-40 into a freeway, as opposed to just a 4-lane divided highway:  A couple dozen (at least) ranch turnoffs and the town of Wikieup.

(https://i.imgur.com/wTVwJyh.png)

Just add a lateral exit that connects to a frontage road.  The frontage road can either dead end or, if it's a reasonable distance, connect it to the nearest cross street with a diamond. 

In either case, ranchers can use I-11 (or its frontage road) to make a U-turn at the nearest diamond if they need to left in or left out.

This sort of arrangement was common on the first iteration of the CA 99 (previously US 99) freeway in the San Joaquin Valley, particularly from Delano north to Fresno County.  There were a number of "virtual RIRO's", which were ramps with minimal approach and merge distances and connected to frontage roads; these were usually posted at 15mph.  The prevalence of these when the freeway was constructed in the mid-to-late 1950's and early 1960's was in essence a concession to local agricultural interests; the quasi-RIRO configuration was simply a cheap way to effect these access points -- essentially a break in the fence with minimalist ramps.  In the last 50+ years changes in the nature of agricultural operations have made many of these obsolete ramps unnecessary, so most of them have been removed (IIRC, a few remain in Tulare County, along with a set near Chowchilla).  It's still a viable concept if local access is required, but the ramp arrangement would have to meet current Interstate standards to be applied to the I-11 corridor. 
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: pumpkineater2 on October 09, 2017, 12:21:49 AM
This number makes no sense. Should be part of I-17 or at least I-13.

Maybe I-17W?  :colorful:
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: mrsman on October 15, 2017, 08:36:33 AM
This number makes no sense. Should be part of I-17 or at least I-13.

Maybe I-17W?  :colorful:

I-11 cannot be part of I-17 as it is planned to eventually be built to the Phoenix area.  If I-11 only connects LV to I-40, I-17 is possible, but it would require a very long multiplex along I-40 between Kingman and Flagstaff.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: KeithE4Phx on October 15, 2017, 12:48:18 PM
This number makes no sense. Should be part of I-17 or at least I-13.

Maybe I-17W?  :colorful:

I-11 cannot be part of I-17 as it is planned to eventually be built to the Phoenix area.  If I-11 only connects LV to I-40, I-17 is possible, but it would require a very long multiplex along I-40 between Kingman and Flagstaff. 

The only multiplex that will happen is the I-11/40 duplex from Kingman to about 25 miles east, replacing the one currently with US 93.  Nobody's proposing any changes to I-17 or any other Arizona interstate.
Title: Re: I-11 to be signed from I-215 to AZ border
Post by: Aerobird on October 15, 2017, 08:00:27 PM
Maybe I-17W?  :colorful:

I-11 cannot be part of I-17 as it is planned to eventually be built to the Phoenix area.  If I-11 only connects LV to I-40, I-17 is possible, but it would require a very long multiplex along I-40 between Kingman and Flagstaff.

...I think you missed the joke.

I-17W.