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Title: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: TBKS1 on April 08, 2018, 03:01:43 PM
Alright, so Arkansas has their "marine fuel tax" highways that can be found scattered all across the state. They all have shields that look like this:

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/900/26273771297_a589908af8_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/G2HWQR)AR-915-2 (https://flic.kr/p/G2HWQR) by TheInstrumentalist (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154936453@N06/), on Flickr

I wanted to ask, does anyone know where a list of all of the existing ones might be at?

If there isn't a list anywhere already, I've been thinking about making a list of all the ones that I know about.

Thanks! - TBKS1
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: US71 on April 08, 2018, 03:47:07 PM
Alright, so Arkansas has their "marine fuel tax" highways that can be found scattered all across the state. They all have shields that look like this:

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/900/26273771297_a589908af8_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/G2HWQR)AR-915-2 (https://flic.kr/p/G2HWQR) by TheInstrumentalist (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154936453@N06/), on Flickr

I wanted to ask, does anyone know where a list of all of the existing ones might be at?

If there isn't a list anywhere already, I've been thinking about making a list of all the ones that I know about.

Thanks! - TBKS1

There's at least a partial list on Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_highways_in_Arkansas)
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: cjk374 on April 08, 2018, 04:19:33 PM
There is a MFT road with no number in Calion going to a Ouachita River access.
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: TBKS1 on April 08, 2018, 04:53:32 PM
Alright, so Arkansas has their "marine fuel tax" highways that can be found scattered all across the state. They all have shields that look like this:

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/900/26273771297_a589908af8_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/G2HWQR)AR-915-2 (https://flic.kr/p/G2HWQR) by TheInstrumentalist (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154936453@N06/), on Flickr

I wanted to ask, does anyone know where a list of all of the existing ones might be at?

If there isn't a list anywhere already, I've been thinking about making a list of all the ones that I know about.

Thanks! - TBKS1

There's at least a partial list on Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_highways_in_Arkansas)

Hmmm... that must have been updated some time ago since the last time I checked that list.

There is a MFT road with no number in Calion going to a Ouachita River access.

I think I know what you're talking about... is it this? (From the AARoads main website)

(https://www.aaroads.com/nofrills/arkansas/marinetax1.jpg)
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: cjk374 on April 08, 2018, 09:14:10 PM
^^ Yes that is the sign I am referring to.
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: US71 on April 08, 2018, 09:39:12 PM
I'm thinking I've seen another non-numbered sign along US 270, but I don't remember for sure
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: bugo on April 08, 2018, 10:00:09 PM
Here's a partial list of secret Arkansas highways:

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=12280.0

I'm currently doing some research and I'm going to add to this list. Stay tuned.

AR 600 - State Park roads all over the state (Every state park road that is maintained by AHTD is numbered 600)
AR 803 - Clarksville state police headquarters (decommissioned)
AR 805 - Warren state police headquarters
AR 806 - Forrest City state police headquarters
AR 809 - Arkansas State Capitol grounds in Little Rock
AR 810 - Arkansas Services Center at Jonesboro (decommissioned?)
AR 811 - Lon Mann Cotton Research Station
AR 813 - University of Arkansas Experiment Station in Independence County
AR 814 - University of Arkansas Experiment Station in Hempstead County
AR 815 - University of Arkansas Experiment Station Rice Branch
AR 817 - Experiment Station in Mississippi County
AR 818 - University of Arkansas Agriculture Experimental Station (there are rumors that this is partially signed)
AR 819 - Joe Hogan Fish Hatchery road near Lonoke.  It is also known as Game and Fish Access Route 943.
AR 820 - University of Arkansas Agriculture Experiment Station in Newport
AR 821 - Phillips County Community College in Helena
AR 823 - Southeast Branch of the University of Arkansas Agricultural Experiment Station
AR 824 - Pine Tree Branch of the University of Arkansas Agricultural Experiment Station
AR 825 - Governor's Mansion
AR 830 - AHTD headquarters across the state
AR 831 - Cummins Prison
AR 832 - Tucker Prison
AR 833 - Woman's Unit Prison
AR 834 - Dermott Unit Prison
AR 835 - Arkansas Training School for Girls at Alexander (probably decommissioned)
AR 839 - Arkansas State Fairgrounds
AR 840 - Southeast Arkansas Human Development Center in Warren
AR 841 - State Hospital drives
AR 846 - Game and Fish complex
AR 871 - University of Arkansas at Monticello
AR 872 - Arkansas Tech University
AR 873 - University of Arkansas and UALR
AR 874 - Henderson State University
AR 875 - Southern Arkansas University
AR 876 - University of Central Arkansas
AR 877 - Arkansas State University
AR 878 - UAPB
AR 879 - School for the Deaf and Blind
AR 881 - Huntsville state police headquarters
AR 883 - Arkansas State University at Beebe
AR 885 - School for the Blind and Deaf
AR 887 - Garland County Community College
AR 888 - Morrilton's community college
AR 889 - Arkansas State University at Searcy
AR 890 - Assigned to a large number of vo tech drives.  Many of these old vo tech schools became community colleges and the state still maintains the roads under the AR 890 designation
AR 917 - Marine Tax Road (This one is signed at least part of the time)
AR 926 - Marine Tax Road (This one is usually signed)
AR 949, 949-2, 949-3. and 949-4 - These four spurs of US 270 connect the highway to the south shore of the crystal clear Lake Ouachita are Marine Tax Roads and are fully signed.  As far as I know, these are the only three 4 digit highways in Arkansas
AR 959 - Lake Des Arc
AR 980 - This one is the one everybody knows about, and they are usually fully signed.  There are literally dozens of instances of Airport 980 all over the state.                     
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: US71 on April 08, 2018, 10:39:14 PM

AR 818 - University of Arkansas Agriculture Experimental Station (there are rumors that this is partially signed)

I can confirm 818 is signed
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3575/3809432151_6d6f76354f_z_d.jpg)

Quote
AR 917 - Marine Tax Road (This one is signed at least part of the time)
AR 926 - Marine Tax Road (This one is usually signed)

There is also 922 off US 165 south of Dermott
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4141/4856520475_63775ae289_z_d.jpg)

Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: cjk374 on April 09, 2018, 01:26:09 AM

There is also 922 off US 165 south of Dermott
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4141/4856520475_63775ae289_z_d.jpg)



Arkansas' first 5-digit state highway. Nice!
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: bugo on April 14, 2018, 12:47:34 AM
I can't remember where it was, but I took this picture of this sign 15 or 20 years ago. There is no number in the sign. It may be AR 949, Section 1 east of Mount Ida, but I can't remember for sure.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/877/39634397790_ac220744d0_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: bugo on April 14, 2018, 02:14:49 AM
I think I know what you're talking about... is it this? (From the AARoads main website)
(https://www.aaroads.com/nofrills/arkansas/marinetax1.jpg)

I took that picture sometime around 1999-2000 IIRC. I'm 99% sure this was AR 949, Section 1 which is labeled as Twin Creek Road on Google Maps.
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: bugo on April 15, 2018, 04:15:29 PM
There is a reference to "Game and Fish Commission Road 949, Section 4" in the minute order for July 31, 1974 located at https://www.arkansashighways.com/minute_orders/Mo70-79.pdf

I have searched every resource that I have been able to find and I haven't found a reference for AR 949, Section 1. I assume that it is the road that Google Maps has labeled as "Twin Creek Rd". This road is signed with the shield I posted above (or at least it was the last time I was through there, which has been several years ago.

AR Marine Fuel Tax Highway 949, Sections 2, 3 and 4 are signed, and at one time AR Marine Fuel Tax Highway 926 (marked as Brady Mountain Rd and AR 926 by Google) was signed, although the signs were very faded the last time I was there, which was probably 15 years ago.

There are other signed Marine Fuel Tax highways in Arkansas but I believe these are the only five I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: TBKS1 on May 11, 2018, 04:57:38 PM
Update: Apparently this is what AR 949-4 looks like now.

I took this yesterday.

(https://vgy.me/4ev5Wx.png)

(https://vgy.me/gU8Yml.png)
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: TheArkansasRoadgeek on May 11, 2018, 05:57:04 PM
Update: Apparently this is what AR 949-4 looks like now.

I took this yesterday.

(https://vgy.me/4ev5Wx.png)

(https://vgy.me/gU8Yml.png)
What's with the non-MUTCD compliant font and arrows?
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: 1 on May 11, 2018, 07:03:44 PM
MUTCD noncompliance is common in parks.
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: TBKS1 on May 11, 2018, 10:31:44 PM
Update: Apparently this is what AR 949-4 looks like now.

I took this yesterday.

(https://vgy.me/4ev5Wx.png)

(https://vgy.me/gU8Yml.png)
What's with the non-MUTCD compliant font and arrows?

This was taken in Ouachita National Forest just south of Lake Ouachita, so I'm pretty sure this is forest/park signage.

Either way though, I'm still curious as to why it's not numbered anymore...
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: TheArkansasRoadgeek on May 11, 2018, 10:38:38 PM
MUTCD noncompliance is common in parks.
Ah, I was under the assumption that these Arkansas Fuel Tax highways were signed by the state, not the parks.
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: bugo on May 11, 2018, 10:47:07 PM
The route markers and arrow are AHTD standard.

I would guess they didn't put "949-4" on this sign because they wanted to standardize the design so they wouldn't have to produce different signs for each section.

Were 949-1, 949-2 and 949-3 signed? If so, were the signs new looking? What about 926?
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: TBKS1 on May 11, 2018, 11:47:09 PM
949-3 is not signed in advance, but it is on the actual highway. 949-2 is signed. And I don't know about 949-1.

The blank ones look new, but the signed ones look older.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/952/42046671651_a2e40e0881_b.jpg)

 (https://flic.kr/p/274wbAF)AR-949-2 (https://flic.kr/p/274wbAF) by TheInstrumentalist (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154936453@N06/), on Flickr

926 is signed as well.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/956/42046674131_c275ab73a3_z.jpg)

 (https://flic.kr/p/274wckr)AR-926 @ US-270 (https://flic.kr/p/274wckr) by TheInstrumentalist (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154936453@N06/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/799/39190887710_5661ddd7c3_b.jpg)

 (https://flic.kr/p/22Haxww)AR-926 (https://flic.kr/p/22Haxww) by TheInstrumentalist (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154936453@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: bugo on May 12, 2018, 12:28:17 AM
Thanks for the pictures. I'm actually surprised that 926 is still signed. Last time I was there, the signs were faded and it looked like it was going to be de-signed.
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: hbelkins on May 12, 2018, 03:25:43 PM
Update: Apparently this is what AR 949-4 looks like now.

I took this yesterday.

(https://vgy.me/4ev5Wx.png)

(https://vgy.me/gU8Yml.png)
What's with the non-MUTCD compliant font and arrows?

Looks like typical Corps of Engineers signage that you'll see around most Corps lakes in Kentucky.
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: TBKS1 on May 13, 2018, 07:36:46 PM
There is also 922 off US 165 south of Dermott
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4141/4856520475_63775ae289_z_d.jpg)

Just checked GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4356119,-91.4528966,3a,15y,58.65h,92.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDptGu0Yq4AwLVbmLEIYBMw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) on that and apparently it's signed as 722-1A...

(https://vgy.me/49AatU.png)

I hope this is an error. lol

Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: MNHighwayMan on May 14, 2018, 08:20:08 AM
It'd be kind of a shame if they stop putting the route numbers on the markers, IMO.
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: cjk374 on May 14, 2018, 05:26:24 PM
It'd be kind of a shame if they stop putting the route numbers on the markers, IMO.

I have never seen them with route numbers until this thread. The numbers look weird to me.
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: TBKS1 on May 14, 2018, 06:10:43 PM
Thanks for the pictures. I'm actually surprised that 926 is still signed. Last time I was there, the signs were faded and it looked like it was going to be de-signed.

926 might be the last one in Arkansas that does not have a number suffix. I could be wrong though.

It'd be kind of a shame if they stop putting the route numbers on the markers, IMO.

I agree. I would say that the numbers make it easier to find where the right park/destination is IMO.
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: MNHighwayMan on May 14, 2018, 06:16:12 PM
It'd be kind of a shame if they stop putting the route numbers on the markers, IMO.
I have never seen them with route numbers until this thread. The numbers look weird to me.

Huh. I just assumed that putting them on was the standard, since most of the pictures in this thread had markers with the numbers, and that the one without numbers was a newer marker going away from that practice.

To be fair, I didn't know this class of highways even existed until I saw this thread.
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: formulanone on May 14, 2018, 07:42:44 PM
There is also 922 off US 165 south of Dermott
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4141/4856520475_63775ae289_z_d.jpg)

Just checked GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4356119,-91.4528966,3a,15y,58.65h,92.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDptGu0Yq4AwLVbmLEIYBMw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) on that and apparently it's signed as 722-1A...

(https://vgy.me/49AatU.png)

I hope this is an error. lol


That was 922-1A back in 2012; an error or re-numbering of routes?

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5587/14952869347_f26575951d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oMkn7c)

^ The other direction on US 165.
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: bugo on May 14, 2018, 10:35:04 PM
Probably an error.

The numbers aren't suffixes, the refer to the section numbers. AR 922-1A means AR 922, Section 1A.
Title: Re: Arkansas's "Marine Fuel Tax" highways
Post by: TBKS1 on May 14, 2018, 11:43:27 PM
Probably an error.

The numbers aren't suffixes, the refer to the section numbers. AR 922-1A means AR 922, Section 1A.

Oh, I see now. Thanks for letting me know!